psyker-class

[brisk panther]

to be quite frank, you can use a scripture in malice and do good

[wet gust]

Can someone show me the 3 Penance helmets? Thanks ❤️

[grave bobcat]

Why do you need to tank it

[wet gust]

Love those glasses lol

[drowsy fog]

gotta block 900 damage in 10 seconds

[grave bobcat]

ah

[wet gust]

I bet that's the 3rd, right?

[fierce hazel]

where gun tho

[brisk panther]

correct

[grave bobcat]

Just run a deflector sword into the first damntion horde

lol

[drowsy fog]

no gun for you

[wet gust]

DON'T! YOU HAVE REASONS TO LIVE

[bleak tulip]

weight reduction

[whole wharf]

The warp stole it

[summer prairie]

using deflector just makes it harder

[grave bobcat]

Do malice

I gotta go in a secx

[whole wharf]

Just left the handle and bullets.

[vast oyster]

Yo you got early access to the psy revolver

[whole wharf]

That would explain why the warp took it. They're improving it.

[wet gust]

Did they really just recoloured the pants?

WTF is this lazyness?

[brisk panther]

not sure but i think these are the first 2

[wet gust]

Thanks a lot my friend ❤️

[shut thorn]

Guess my colourblindness is kicking in, what's the colour difference because I can't see it

[fierce hazel]

hol up

gotta reload

[shut thorn]

One just looks darker

[wet gust]

The bottom one has some tiny mark details and the top one is just flat

[brisk panther]

there is fancy texture on the pick and mix ones, and another icon on the leg thingy

[sharp ibex]

The other pants have a pattern on them and a different icon on the thigh plate

[shut thorn]

Ah

[wet gust]

such edition much programing

[steady skiff]

what would be blessings on force sword? deflector and?

[sharp ibex]

Did you see the Zealot pants. they literally had to hotfix them

[steel egret]

What the gun doin

[sharp ibex]

One was, slightly more shiny than the other.

[wet gust]

Yes because they were literally the same

[steel egret]

Deflector yes

[steady skiff]

and second blessing? any recommendations?

[summer prairie]

slaughterer is a good second blessing

[whole wharf]

I think the one that increases the damage based on peril is decent?

[brisk panther]

1st pants

2nd pants

[whole wharf]

I dunno, I just got that one yesterday and it seems kinda good.

[steel egret]

In a way the.. soulburn? One is good if its level 5

[steady skiff]

u mean the blazing spirit?

[grave bobcat]

@drowsy fogPretty sure we joined a joke lobby

lmao

[steel egret]

Yeah, maybe

The 1-4 soulburn max 12

On critical

[grave bobcat]

I haven't seen that on a FS yet 😦

[steel egret]

I have

[grave bobcat]

I wanna try shred/soulblaze blessing build

but cant fucking find it

[steel egret]

The lowest form

[steady skiff]

Blazing Spirit
Enemy gains +2-4 Stacks of Soulblaze on Critical Hit.

[summer prairie]

blazing spirit is awful

[grave bobcat]

idc

I want to have fun with it lol

[whole wharf]

Same

[steel egret]

With special its pretty nice dot on single target

[whole wharf]

I love the soulblaze

[steady skiff]

other than that... precognition?

[grave bobcat]

Precog

[summer prairie]

you are using FS, things you hit should be dying

[grave bobcat]

-.-

Griefed so many of my FS

[summer prairie]

the dot could only possibly have some marginal utility if you also use 6-2 and want stacks but even then it's only 10%

[drowsy fog]

im just gonna wait for the shop reroll then go to bed

[steel egret]

Not all singletarget enemies die to few special attack

[grave bobcat]

lmao

aight

gg

[steel egret]

Its 12 stack.

Thats already something

[steady skiff]

how does unstable power work exactly?

if nyou got 20% peril u get 20% of the buff or what?

[steel egret]

No

[grave bobcat]

It's a barely noticeable % stack

Not the worst, but not very good either

[steady skiff]

thats why im asking... if it would be like "the power increase * current peril" it would be horrible if it would be multiplied for each x peril (as in 1 stack per 5% for example) it could be pretty good

[grave bobcat]

I personally prefer Shred and Slaughterer for FS

Yeah a stack per peril would be nice 🥲

[hard sigil]

good/bad?

[steel egret]

Dont like shred

[grave bobcat]

nbad

[steady skiff]

not even per peril but something like per each x amount of peril...

[brisk panther]

good, upgrade and pray for 'transfer peril' blessing

[hard sigil]

whats transfer peril

[steady skiff]

but how does warp nexus work then?

[grave bobcat]

How do you think? You prob already know lol

[drowsy fog]

transfer peril S tier

[hard sigil]

@brisk pantherthats op af

[steady skiff]

when do you get the +chance on crit and when does the next stack apply?

[brisk panther]

yep its close to god roll. dont even need the warp resist since i get from like 50%-0% on a single ball. tbh want higher peril so i can transfer to toughness more often 😄

[grave bobcat]

forgot the % sections each stack applies at 🥲

[amber nest]

Use the feat to gain toughness on a Warp Force attack instead

[steady skiff]

would be nice to have some of these numbers...

[brisk panther]

nice, gonna try that

[amber nest]

It's insane how much toughness it regens when you get a nice headheight voidstrike ball on a horde

[grave bobcat]

Eh, even if you did know the number managing your peril for Nexus would just drop you more dps

[brisk panther]

can imagine, wanna try it asap 😄

[steady skiff]

true but it can influence gameplay either way and make planning the build better

[grave bobcat]

You can do that anyway without knowing specific number since you're always going to treat it as a passive buff 😛

Maybe if its crit % increase was higher forcing it in certain circumstances would be useful

[steady skiff]

thats what i mean...

[grave bobcat]

Oh side note, it applies to your melee

[boreal wave]

What's the blue number next to a damage value when you inspect a weapon for attack breakdowns

[drowsy fog]

these are the staves I have chillin right now

[steady skiff]

oh thats another thing i thought about... blessings that dont explicitely state that they only apply on a certain weap apply on all right?

[steady skiff]

stagger

[grave bobcat]

So if you wanted to maintain a high passive crit increase, FS with shred and using deflector is one way

[grave bobcat]

MOST only apply to the weapon they bless, very few leak over

[steady skiff]

aw damn

[grave bobcat]

And of the few that leak over most aren't useful either lol

But there are some very build defining ones also

[hard sigil]

i feel like force sword is worse than bleed dagger unless you have deflector

[grave bobcat]

Deflector is just a crutch imo

[drowsy fog]

nah fs can 1 shot elites that arent ogryn

[grave bobcat]

And you leave my bleed dagger out of this 😦

Fucking stupid grief blessing lol

I finally get a good dagger

[drowsy fog]

this stupid surge staff having a stamina perk wtf lol

[grave bobcat]

And bleed.,

Nice

[steady skiff]

@grave bobcat do you know if crucion roulette carries over?

[grave bobcat]

🥲

[drowsy fog]

feel like for voidstrike the ideal blessings are transfer and surge

[grave bobcat]

My favourite blessing

lol

[languid osprey]

hey guys new update! is the changelog up?

[summer prairie]

if you have surge you might want warp nexus though

[steady skiff]

250 MB update seems like some small bugfixes to me mainly

[summer prairie]

changelog is up

check the community section

nothing basically

[steady skiff]

also still same version so i dunno

[grave bobcat]

alrdy reading them

[fierce steppe]

Risk of seizures down

[summer prairie]

reverted surge vfx

[hard sigil]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-0-21/70519

[languid osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-the-rock-rock-go-rock-lets-go-lg-gif-18455293

[summer prairie]

going to test bb, can't believe they wouldn't fix that

[drowsy fog]

never even got to see how bad it was

[grave bobcat]

It wasn't TOO bad

[steady skiff]

as expected mainly (crash)fixes

[grave bobcat]

But like on Damnation me taking like an extra 3 seconds to kill something important

Can be a problem

[drowsy fog]

havent gotten the update yet so I popped in the meat grinder to see it

its not all that bad, but I'm not photosensitive

[grave bobcat]

Oht alking about surge lol

Reminded me of the drunken mission in GTAIV

[summer prairie]

BB is fixed

no more venting delay

[nimble needle]

Hopefully Fatshark will learn from this that their playerbase isn't in a well-lit studio, but in a dark lightless basement

[drowsy fog]

I may just swap to void for a bit, just now seeing the fact it passes through enemies

[grave bobcat]

Ah no delay

excellent

[cyan notch]

lol u didnt know that?

[drowsy fog]

hadnt seen it for myself

what you think im gonna take the word of strangers on the internet at face value?

[cyan notch]

guess u didnt try it when levelling

[grave bobcat]

And feels especially reasonable on here considering the amount of random facts thrown arouhnd

[boreal wave]

Void is fun. But past malice I see it as a little redundant.

[steel flame]

STRAIT FAX

[fresh halo]

Best 5th feat ?

[grave bobcat]

Preference between the 2nd and 3rd

[steel flame]

#itdepends

[grave bobcat]

1st and 3rd*

Usually

[steel flame]

If push did something you couldn't do otherwise then 2 might be decent but it doesn't and it's a waste of warp charges

[fresh halo]

3rd seems cool

[grave bobcat]

Eh?

[fallow forum]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

this last penance got me like

[grave bobcat]

Zazy those are the lvl 30 traits

lol

[boreal wave]

Kinetic flayer is a pretty reliable way to get the ball rolling on warp charges. That 15 sec cooldown is kind of "eh" though.

[steel flame]

That's.......leave me alone

[grave bobcat]

lmao

At least you tried to help 🥲

[steel flame]

;-;

[grave bobcat]

I use flayer cause I never have to maintain my BB that way

[ancient ivy]

I'm an ogryn main and I've been running into more skilled surge staff user lately. When you guys are on your game you're the real mvp.

[idle bay]

Wait.. there is no Peril bug fix in the notes? 0_0

[idle bay]

Thank you!

[empty basin]

Can't wait to find what they broke with psyker this hotfix

[grave bobcat]

If you ever see them Surge staff normal horde enemies they're bad

lmao

[boreal wave]

I don't like warp battery because I genuinely don't think the +6% damage is worth an entire feat slot. Nor do I think the 12% warp resistance has any real practical effect.

[fresh halo]

Kinetic Shield or Kinetic Deflection (T4 Feat) ?

[steel flame]

I'm was for warp battery and I nearly had it till I forgot where my grenade button was for no reason and lost it with 30 seconds to go

[drowsy fog]

deflection

[steel flame]

Pain

[grave bobcat]

Warp batt should be paired with iner tranquility ideally

And then AB after

[fresh halo]

Alrighty then

[grave bobcat]

Cause AB is only useful if you're using Warp batt

[fresh halo]

Going full melee Psyker, then

[drowsy fog]

deflection is genuinely op

[grave bobcat]

Welcome

[ancient ivy]

Right. I'm seeing less of that lately and more actual clutch usage. Very nice.

[raw otter]

vfx for surge staff fixed

[grave bobcat]

I wish I could say the same

[steady skiff]

umm...

[steel flame]

I'm still convinced force sword used to have deflector by default before they realized how good it was and made it a blessing

[boreal wave]

Deflection is generally better but requires you to be active. Shield is nice to have and you can for the most part ignore it.

[drowsy fog]

to amend my previous statement: I will swap to void when I have an upgraded one with the blessings I want

[rich meteor]

i don't think surge on normal hordes are neccessarily bad, it makes room for your teammates and lets you stand back and watch for specials

[languid osprey]

I think radius is the most important

[grave bobcat]

It is bad.

[steel flame]

If it had 80 burn and radius I'd say yes. But no

[drowsy fog]

need more radius, damage is worthless on purg

[steady skiff]

ye ik...

[languid osprey]

What do you preffer for hordes? Purg?

[grave bobcat]

Surge max targets 6 enemies and it's a pretty small horde if you only got 6~ running at you lol

[steady skiff]

but at least it got the blessing i wanted to test

[steel flame]

Its good

[boreal wave]

Surge is okay to use on hordes just be super aware of when it's time to drop it and pull out the melee weapon, because it's really easy to forget yourself

[grave bobcat]

I build entirely around special killing most of the time, so I just consider any melee fine for horde

[drowsy fog]

purg is so good for hordes, just chill in the doorway at the end of espionage and melt everything on the bridge

[rich meteor]

@grave bobcat okay you can think that, idk what difficulty missions you usually tho but i would not say it's bad

[steady skiff]

thats my current one

[drowsy fog]

lol thats more like it, rip run n gun tho

[ancient ivy]

I just like surge psykers cause it feels like a niche that no other class can encroach on. Really feel it.

[languid osprey]

And what is your build i like purg and surge the same but i didnt try void

[steady skiff]

if you tell me how to change them i will gladly do that... stats from my current with warp flurry

[fresh halo]

Worth snatching ?

[shut thorn]

Going to try purg combat blade today I think

[grave bobcat]

I don't like Purge, and when I am using Surge I just pair it with Force Sword or Dagger

[shut thorn]

Who's selling it

[fresh halo]

I don't usually play Purgatus

[shut thorn]

If it's melk, no

[steady skiff]

nope you need aoe aka cloud radius

[languid osprey]

Surge feels great to keep ur buddys alive from all the elites to rip them to pieces

[steel flame]

I'm coming around to antax mk5. That shit 2 normal shots maulers and shit and 1 shots gunners and it has that absurd push attack. It only has one downside, it can't get deflector 😢

[fresh halo]

Armory

[shut thorn]

I mean if you have hundreds of thousands of ordo dockets

Why not

[drowsy fog]

shop reroll wasnt worth staying up for

[fresh halo]

Myeah, I'll stick to my rifle for now

[jaunty atlas]

!!!

[languid osprey]

Dogs mutants etc etc all still for ur sharpshooter to pot shot them

[fresh halo]

I usually like to pack a revolver on Psyker

Feels fitting

[languid osprey]

But i do pref purg for everything else at the moment

[drowsy fog]

purg very satisfying

[grave bobcat]

Regardless of difficulty Surge doesn't have enough AoE to be good vs horde let alone it does 0.25x damage to those enemies

[languid osprey]

Maybe with the ult u can compensate a bit

[rich meteor]

@grave bobcat thats not the point, doing dmg to a horde is not important as psyker at all, ofcourse i just melee a horde to death if there's no other pressure

[fresh halo]

Hordes get the swords.

[steady skiff]

i burn hordes...

[fresh halo]

Works too, I guess

[steel flame]

As do i

[drowsy fog]

it can be important to psyker, depends on your staff

[steady skiff]

all build/intention dependant

[feral crater]

Reverted Forcestaff VFX to an earlier version. ~patchnotes...

[languid osprey]

Also what do you think about the talent that reduces cd on ults if you or your guys kill elites? I think is really REALLY solid on purge

[steel flame]

I make zealots cry with my fire build. They all whine about not having hordes to charge into

[grave bobcat]

You stopping 6 enemies.... in a horde of 75+ might as well be trying to use your hands to shovel water from a sinking boat

[drowsy fog]

most people go for communion instead (I think its in that tier)

[steel flame]

Wish it didn't sacrifice passive warp charge though

[grave bobcat]

Dw guys! These 6 dudes right here!?! I GOT THEM

[drowsy fog]

free warp charges just from playing the game, no bb necessary

[languid osprey]

I know but with purge

And the last ult with fire thingy

[drowsy fog]

as a purg main, yes even with purg

[feral crater]

90% of the time, those 6 dudes are the ones tanky enough to survive your ally's flamer. So you cover their weakness instead of just stacking unnecessary clear.

[languid osprey]

Im spaming 2 ults fully charged on hordes

[grave bobcat]

Talking about horde enemies specifically 😛

[languid osprey]

Like always

[feral crater]

In higher levels, horde enemies CAN be tanky

[languid osprey]

I really think u dont lose much by 4%

Also u help the team reducing cd

[feral crater]

😄

[grave bobcat]

We're playing a different game I think

[drowsy fog]

the issues with that feat are:
elites specifically, situational is not something to ride by
your ult cooldown is already short

veteran ult is always up, zealot and ogryn ults are situational

[grave bobcat]

Watching Kyrn solo an entire horde with purge....

Damn tanky af

[lament glen]

Praise be witch-kin, the fixed the friggin vfx

[grave bobcat]

I'm gonna miss my self inflicted seizures

[feral crater]

ey that's my line

[drowsy fog]

communion doesnt sound great on paper with only a 4% chance but remember you're killing thousands of enemies, and it procs on your kills AND ally kills so its gonna happen, it happens all the time. Also synergizes with ascendant blaze's 10% and I see my warp charges jump back to max immediately after ulting every time

[boreal wave]

Have they fixed the quell thing

[patent ledge]

finally, i can play without experiencing peril in real life

[grave bobcat]

I gotta dip for a bit smadge

[shut thorn]

Aw why revert, cudve just made the blur like 10% of what it originally was, gr8 tho

[feral crater]

But we thank you Warden

[languid osprey]

Indeed but on higher difs elites are everywere and like i said with purge hitting like 30 poxwalkers i dont need 4% more charges but maybe im wrong

Spaming ur ult feels amazing tho

[shut thorn]

"Removed player outlines as they weren’t functioning as intended. They will make a return in the future."

[cyan notch]

yea

[orchid nest]

I think they may revisit it, probably just took the easy route with the holidays off

[shut thorn]

Genuine pain......

[drowsy fog]

its a matter of having the charges to make the ult useful rather than having an empty ult thats always up

[feral crater]

The buffs of warp charges are small, but they stack up nicely...

[languid osprey]

For sure

Like i said is full of charges by the time i get it back

[drowsy fog]

at the end of the day if it works for you go for it

just my 2 cents

[feral crater]

Would like them to be a bit more impactful. But they aren't bad per se

[languid osprey]

Sure!

[cyan notch]

first 380 thank you gun shop man very cool keep it up

[drowsy fog]

the team doesnt need cooldown help, your coherency already gives it, vets is infinite, ogryn and zealots dont need it that often

[steady skiff]

just too expensive to change over a skill fatshark just had to make us pay for it 🤪

[rich meteor]

only took them a solid week to revert that change

[feral crater]

Luckily I was immune. So I could show all my associates the beauties of the warp in all it's vengeful glory

Tzeentch be praised!

[drowsy fog]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3hx9d45i1Gs?feature=share

[languid osprey]

Yeah you seem to be right as all the people seem to think 4% is better

Ill have to try it more too

[sour bison]

Is quell fixed?

[feral crater]

It's useful for some penances... Had an Ogryn beg me to take it for em. But yeah, pretty lame outside of that

[drowsy fog]

yeah ogryn has to charge 40m in one go or some such and needs a cd reset to pull it off or so I hear

but thats a one and done

[bold flint]

the hell did i just roll

[steady skiff]

40m in sub 20 sec

[drowsy fog]

the double charge range feat doesnt do it huh?

[feral crater]

just a little bit too short

[drowsy fog]

thats just mean lol

[steady skiff]

not bad... now the dmg over to quell speed and i would do near everything to get it

[drowsy fog]

"hey there ogryn, take this feat and bring a psyker with this specific feat and some cooldown curios or no new pants for you"

penances are fuckin wild

[steady skiff]

i mean... at least its not part of the Bone 'ead(2) so i guess u dont need it for the helmet xD

[feral crater]

Penances expect you to commit suicide... 'nuff said

They are there to give trolls a reason to get away with doing dumb shit

"oh I was just doing a penance"

[drowsy fog]

der codex astartes is ein bunch of bullscheisse

[feral crater]

Not that desperate for shiny pants.

Yes. Yes it is.

[drowsy fog]

reminds me of the time I was playing diablo 3 and found legendary pants under a log... was fuckin hilarious

anyway its bed time cya tomorrow siblings

[steady skiff]

anyway im gonna hop off have fun guys

[inner bay]

so uuh, still haven't seen the comms-plex, is it an issue with the mission terminal being shitty as usual or is it just resting in the void next to the thunder hammer buff?

[fresh halo]

Wait, does Kinetic Flayer only work with melee attacks, or all attacks ?

[grave bobcat]

all

except dots

[fresh halo]

Wait, really ?

Oh.

Make sense

Otherwise having 10% chance of BB on a Purge tick would be insane.

[grave bobcat]

I can't think of any exceptions from top of my head

Meh it'd still be on 15s cd

[fresh halo]

Oooh, right.

Forgot the CD.

[sick kindle]

It's still very funny to push someone away and the BB procs

[true finch]

If both stats are between 0 and 100, shouldn't Quell Speed be +77% not +62.6%?

[vestal rose]

It doesn't seem to be linear, though I haven't actually made an effort to check. I imagine it becomes more valuable the closer the roll is to 100

[true finch]

So if the highest potential is +100 Quell Speed, but it's not linear, what does 100% Quell Speed equal? Wouldn't you need a stat of 120% or 150% to reach the actual maximum then?

[vestal rose]

a 100% roll for quell speed I would imagine gives you the maximum value of 100% - it's just that the curve isn't a straight line. The closer the roll to 100%, the more each % on the roll is worth, if that makes sense

[steel flame]

That's one hell of a bloody nose you just game him

[true finch]

Oh it's a curve?

[cyan notch]

no even if its not linear its possible to reach 100% with 100 quell

[vestal rose]

That's the impression I've gotten looking at various stats on different weapons, yeah

It kinda makes sense, if they intend to add weapons with stats over 80 somehow in the future - the really high rolls would be extra valuable, to make them a more impactful decision

[steel flame]

Maybe fatshark had a bone 'ead do their math calcs

[true finch]

American Maths

[steel flame]

Weapons didn't even have number stats at the start. They only added then after we complained in the beta

Well the earlier betas

[true finch]

I know, I've played since closed beta.

I just didn't notice until now that the stats aren't linear

[ancient ivy]

Yeah I don't think they whipped up that whole UI that fast. Fatshark takes ages to implement anything. Was probably already in the works, just not ready.

[sick kindle]

I can't even handle this community sometimes. Checked out the news post of the much needed VFX staff effect removal. Completely reversed. And the nitpicky whiners are all like 'Oh well that sucks, why can't there be a toggle' and 'I wish they coulda kept the lightning but removed the blur'. Their forums are a mess of bad takes and opinions and it's a miracle that taking feedback hasn't completely destroyed their games in the past.

[steel flame]

Fair enough

Man I wish they added an attack breakdown to vermintide like they did this go around so I didn't need the weapon library mod

[ancient ivy]

Also I hate how push attacks are missing from the breakdown lmao

[steel flame]

They gain vitality from your suffering

[mild canopy]

none of these has deflector, trying to get the blessing on a good stat FS, the grind is real

[ancient ivy]

I'm leveling psyker and my staff is 100 rating below my melee because I just don't see them in the shop lmao. How do you guys live like this? We ogryns only have like 14 weapons total so the shop is way more palatable.

[bleak tulip]

I just dont really check my shop anymore

its all axes and autoguns anyway

[magic hull]

tbf deflector is pretty underwhelming unless its a specific clutch sittuation

[bleak tulip]

I log onto psyker once to check the store, get disappointed, switch characters to zealot and play that

and then when my zealot weeklies are done i play psyker until those weeklies are done

[mild canopy]

i just want it on a good stat wep, already got dps force swords

that diamintine grind drives me crazy

[cedar oak]

have u tried deflector with 56% block eff?

[magic hull]

i just dont like using deflector while walking up to them and kill :/

its good when ur overwhelmed by gunfire tho

[cedar oak]

well

it might be boring but its defo not underwhelming

[tawny maple]

slide and block

[magic hull]

yeah like a crab lol

[dense cloud]

😄 ooooeeee

[magic hull]

underwhelming because i thought i would be using it more often

[wicked marsh]

omg finally

i found one

[ebon sedge]

3% 😄

[crystal flower]

heresy?

[valid lake]

it will be when zealot shit talks it

[onyx sentinel]

Wait what the fuck did the hotfix not include a fix for the quell bug?

[hasty ether]

Praise the omnisiah the Emperor has protected.

[valid lake]

rip they really hate psykers also along with the datamine psssykers take double damg to toughness with sprinting

[mild canopy]

just played a mission in the new 5v5 mode, pretty cool

[wet belfry]

What about veteran?

[onyx sentinel]

Some people said it’s undocumented but fixed

[teal cargo]

Hype vfx fix

[teal cargo]

Oh really?

[bleak tulip]

its 25% more iirc

[onyx sentinel]

Checking

[summer prairie]

I've seen 1.25 modifier before, no idea where that other figure came from

it certainly can't be correct

[warm delta]

oh wow, crashed in a middle of the game, got out, had a update, and restart, now I can't reconnect back to the game, saying some striketeam had a different version bullshit

[ebon jolt]

Yay surge staff is usable again! Boo they didn’t also roll back FS VFX.

[karmic quail]

Do your brain burst hands provide the maximum movement speed or does holding a knife somehow make you faster?

[elfin crystal]

oh god bless i was wrong and they actually fixed surge at least before leaving for christmas.

[bleak tulip]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zr3b7x/datamined_class_base_stat_values_and_modifiers/https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zr3b7x/datamined_class_base_stat_values_and_modifiers/

its datamined

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372215735822450688/1050776809433727027/IMG_5946.png

[onyx sentinel]

Quell bug is fixed thank fuck

[summer prairie]

Yes, I see 1.25 there

that's not double or triple as some people have been saying

unless they are comparing to zealots

[bleak tulip]

which is why I corrected the previous instance of someone saying double

[cold oasis]

all i got when i saw that was that it now made sense why my zealot never got hit while sliding

[supple skiff]

they fixed the quell bug? not listed in the patch notes

[summer prairie]

they did

[supple skiff]

noice

fully thought they were going to let that sit into 2023

[bleak tulip]

people get way too hysterical about that shit, it was a pretty safe assumption that theyd drop another hotfix this week

[onyx sentinel]

Our office closes at 23rd it’s very possible lmao

[bleak tulip]

also since nobody posted it https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-0-21/70519

[supple skiff]

its not exactly a leap in logic to presume fatshark is going to miss a deadline

[onyx sentinel]

Don’t know about swedish work culture though

[supple skiff]

hopefully something approaching healthy

[bleak tulip]

theyve put out a patch or hotfix at least every week since release, this joke about "lol fartshark" is getting tired

[supple skiff]

as much as I want crafting I dont want another human going through burnout this time of year to get there

[bleak tulip]

thats the sensible take

it likely isnt the individual dev's fault this game had to release when it did even though it clearly lacked a bunch of stuff

[tranquil fiber]

it probably needs 6 months from release to get to where it wanted to be for launch day

[fringe garden]

Im pretty sure sure that mechanically crafting is completely finished. It's not like there is some challenge to making a random die roll against a relatively small table of possibilities. They are holding back crafting because they are trying to gather metrics to make sure that crafting doesn't make gear progression too easy.

[tranquil fiber]

but the team are working incredibly hard to get things done and avoid crunch

[bleak tulip]

if youre unhappy with the current game go leave a negative review on steam or something and just wait instead of bitching about it incessantly while still playing the gme for some reason

[fringe garden]

Like the difference between refine and rebless is just costs and a different table of possibilities. There is no special game design they have to figure out.

[bleak tulip]

crafting likely has been canned and revamped literal months before release so the current fucked up state of it makes sense in a way, stuff like refining cost going to zero when clearly the UX isnt built around it with a voice line and sound effect every reroll etc

[fading galleon]

pog? you guys accidentally got fixed?

[ebon jolt]

I'm assuming this is exactly why there are garbage curio perks like +Exp%. They started with some math and kept filling the slots up until they had as many perks as they needed. To make it harder to roll good curios.

[supple skiff]

christ we really are at the mercy of the warp

[tranquil fiber]

Surge VFX revered, Quelling delay has been removed

[bleak tulip]

"accidentally", its been known and raised to the dev team on the day of release, it just likely didnt make it into the patch notes because its close to christmas and documentation and the scamble to put it all into a post likely dropped things here and there

[tranquil fiber]

cool so we are back to where we were 2 weeks ago

whether we like it or not, its a step in the right direction

hopefully in the new year we will see some of the changes we desire

[steel flame]

Why do you think we all have hoods? Its to hide the tears

[bleak tulip]

they likely are already somewhat crunching to fix as much as possible before christmas, so not everything gets documented well

[tranquil fiber]

yep

[fringe garden]

By the by, Geforce Now to check the shop on your phone all day is pretty awesome

[shy cradle]

Sorry If i am late to the party but what was this quell bug?

[bleak tulip]

people forget that CM's arent the people making all the fixes, so they gotta go ask around/rely on documentation by devs, and when theyre working hard and so close to christmas (extra stress, holiday readiness and general "im fuckin done"), its likely harder

[bleak tulip]

check pins

julia wrote about it

[shy cradle]

Thanks

[bleak tulip]

sorry it was qp

[ebon jolt]

No rollback for Force Sword block VFX 😦

[bleak tulip]

Reverted Forcestaff VFX to an earlier version.

wait

why FS

[cyan notch]

yea its still sparky

[bleak tulip]

or do you mean staff

[cyan notch]

force sword block animation

[ebon jolt]

Because I can't see anything in front of my when I block.

[bleak tulip]

because its meant to be fixed

that never was different though

[cyan notch]

it was

[bleak tulip]

not that I recall

shit was always hard to see through

[cyan notch]

well a lot of people noticed

[bleak tulip]

I sure didnt lmao

[cyan notch]

its very obvious to force sword users

instead of just that greenish forcefield when blocking theres now sparks and shit

[bleak tulip]

I mean I dont block much with FS and if I do I dont tend to hold it up forever because I go back to attacking so shrug

[ebon jolt]

They added the electric warp animation which made it way harder to see what's behind your hand.

[raw token]

this is pretty good right?

[final gorge]

thats sublime lmao

[cyan notch]

well its definitely a thing

but they didnt even put that in the original patch notes

[strong trench]

379 modifiers mmmm i hate you

[haughty sinew]

I would prefer terrifying barrage but that is indeed a nice roll

[raw token]

lmao yh i know the modifiers are high but are they distributed optimally or nah?

[final gorge]

that is a good staff

[grave bobcat]

Even while its broken shame you got lowest roll on Warp Flurry

[tranquil fiber]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-new-visual-is-seizure-inducing/69023

[raw token]

yeah but hopefully can change that with full crafting system

[tranquil fiber]

check that out

[strong trench]

This but yeah, once full crafting comes i you shouldbe able to level up blessings so keep it

[cyan notch]

no we are talking about something else

[grave bobcat]

I didn't say delete it?

[tranquil fiber]

ahhh gotcha

[teal cargo]

lol what why do some classes take more dmg 👀

[cyan notch]

force sword blocking vfx

[strong trench]

Oh sorry i thought you were op, my bad

[final gorge]

finally got a deflector fsword and they made it harder to use smhhhh

[bleak tulip]

https://i.ibb.co/F3q5w1g/Untitled.jpg this is how it looks now, at best I could say that the little lightning shit is new, which I honestly didnt even notice

[teal cargo]

Hitting 100 peril twice in a row prevents you from quelling for like 2s

[grave bobcat]

goddamn shop really wants me to use guns.... Every single item -2 curios is a gun lmfao

[bleak tulip]

this is so fuckin minor and changes next to nothing about not being able to see anyway so uh

[raw token]

mkv duelling sword is best by far anyway

[cyan notch]

yes its the lightning shit

[bleak tulip]

I wasnt even aware people had an issue with it

[cyan notch]

well now you do

[bleak tulip]

and one week before christmas I spent a lot of time in this dumb channel

[cyan notch]

its pretty subtle

and not a lot of fs enjoyers

[bleak tulip]

I have only used FS for like the last 100 hours of psyker play, do I classify

[teal cargo]

Theres lotsa FS enjoyers

[bleak tulip]

most psykers I see use it so yeah I would confirm that

[teal cargo]

cos deflector

[bleak tulip]

anecdotally

[teal cargo]

yea most common weapon i see

Im a DS and Axe enjoyer though

[muted wyvern]

They stealth fixed the quell bug that was stealth broken, and reverted the Surge Staff VFX. We can pretend we got buffs now for Christmas guys! 🎄

[raw token]

but the mobility you get from duelling swords makes them more defensive than deflector imo

[tawdry shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720241522305663040/1055124708493885532/image.png

does this look ok to you

and what is duelling sword good at

[cyan notch]

its pretty obvious when u compare before and after

[final gorge]

bullying demonhosts?

with KD

[tawdry shell]

what is KD

[bleak tulip]

slapping shit like a wet noodle

venting

and uh

[raw token]

lmao the dodge is so good on it that you dont even need to block anyway

for daemonhost most of the time

[final gorge]

real

[teal cargo]

Looks decent, check if mobility reduces your dodge count.

DS got good blocks and long dodges

[bleak tulip]

ngl I prefer the second actually

[final gorge]

Kinetic deflection, feat where blocking gives you peril instead of consuming stam

[warm delta]

nah thats a lie, cant dodge a daemonhost, it just teleport on your face, but you can bully the assassination's boss without getting a single hit with his slowfk hammer

[cyan notch]

up to u

[tawdry shell]

ooh

[orchid nest]

to be fair it's generally better to block it in place ideally even if you can dodge every attack, makes it way easier on everyone else to actually kill it

[tawdry shell]

learning alot here

[grave bobcat]

Connor/Arya which DS do you use

[teal cargo]

I use mk5

but heard mk4 good for horde clear

[raw token]

its not, i can do it - easily. just need to know how it interacts with the scenery. using walls and drops etc mean you can infinite, and dodge timings are made easier by the DS insane dodges

[tawdry shell]

it feels really good to horde clear yeah

[dull cedar]

whats the best dueling sword variant for horde?

[teal cargo]

Dodge left and right

[grave bobcat]

I'll give the DS another chance but I swear every time I use these things it feels awful

[teal cargo]

and don dodge backwards

[raw token]

4

[grave bobcat]

Which DS do you use

[raw token]

5

[grave bobcat]

K both of you use 5

[bleak tulip]

I spent like 4 minutes kiting demonhost with FS once so you can absolutely dodge it lol

[warm delta]

oh, dodge left and right without blocking and not get hit? honestly I am still not believing it

[grave bobcat]

So I'll try 5

[teal cargo]

Well hold block ofc in case you do get hit 😆

[young summit]

aw, surge is fixed, i nevr got to play around with it on a dark map

[haughty sinew]

Holy cow!

[raw token]

the heavy attacks are just too good on 5 to pass up

[tawdry shell]

your eyes will be goners

[grave bobcat]

Yeah... I can pass them up pretty quick lol

[young summit]

it looked fine in regular light, and was waht id expect of a schock effect hitting many mobs

[raw token]

then stop not believing it and go try it lmao

[tawdry shell]

I have a headache yesterday from playing surge

[teal cargo]

But you should be able to dodhe a lot of the DH attacks

[cyan notch]

rip your burn

[cold oasis]

Are we talking about Axes?

[teal cargo]

But witj enough BCR you can prob just facetank

[cyan notch]

i dont think so

[bleak tulip]

burn is dogwater anyway atm

[orchid nest]

I actually managed to get a mk5 380 ds yesterday. haven't crafted it up yet though

[teal cargo]

DS I think has a very low peril gain from blocking

[warm delta]

I might, if I accidently activate a daemonhost that is, not like it's really goign to happen

[teal cargo]

compared to like axe

but idk

[echo parrot]

Everyone rolling 380s making me jelous

[cold oasis]

oh dueling sword

[teal cargo]

Well of somebody activates and they die and it aggros to you

[grave bobcat]

Wish I'd roll a fucking 380 dagger

[cyan notch]

i dont think thats a thing at all

[raw token]

yeah just trust us we are only telling you it because we have done it many times before - just have it as something nice to know if it ever does end up attacking you

[patent hatch]

Same

[random wolf]

You can roll a 380 dagger

[teal cargo]

Maybe just used to VT2 where the rapiers do have a lot lower block costs

[cold oasis]

honestly, i can't play Damnation without Deflector

[cyan notch]

at least u didnt get this

[random wolf]

Or you can get a dagger with lacerate

[warm delta]

yeah, fair

[raw token]

are we generally accepting that 380 is the max roll or can it go to 400?

[random wolf]

That's actually a good rifle

[teal cargo]

380 is max

[raw token]

ah ok

[teal cargo]

for now

[orchid nest]

could be covered under the defences bar on them, it mentions stamina efficiency in the description even though it's not listed on the numbers. idk though

[random wolf]

The problem is we have Recon Lasguns

[random wolf]

Off topic but hey, a Marcus fan.

[echo parrot]

I mixed up a bit and am current rolling void and FS, I still swap to my dagger when I go to surge though. Now that the FX are fixed I can prob use it again without getting sick.

[raw token]

so on my staff it says 379 but the rolls add up to 380 - does that mean one of the stats is lying or the overall stat is lying?

[orchid nest]

haha hell yeah. fallout 2 in general as well.

[teal cargo]

Prob rounding

[random wolf]

The numbers are rounded up on the stat summary

[grave bobcat]

I found out I love the Chainsword a lot

[random wolf]

If you inspect and look at the breakdown it's more accurate

[raw token]

ohh ok

[random wolf]

80% doesn't really mean 80%

[grave bobcat]

Just fun to use

[random wolf]

Sometimes it can be 79.2 lmao

[teal cargo]

1 point doesnt really matter anyways

[echo parrot]

I really want to play with an eviscerator, but dont want to play a zealot.

[grave bobcat]

Same

😦

[random wolf]

Does for Burn on Purgatus

[grave bobcat]

It just looks like fun 2x

[cold oasis]

i hate the eviscerator with a passion

[echo parrot]

Yes I go super zoom on zealot with a knife, but I prefer psykers kit

[random wolf]

That's the only one

[grave bobcat]

Maybe when I eventually get bored of Psyker

[teal cargo]

CS is fun!

[orchid nest]

we need a chainsword variant now with a push attack similar to antax

[random wolf]

Play all 4 like me so you suffer 4 times more

[teal cargo]

Oh whats it do for purg?

[grave bobcat]

I dislike the Antax alot anyways lol

[random wolf]

15 vs 16 stacks of burn

[cyan notch]

it does tho

[grave bobcat]

I can wait 🥲

[orchid nest]

I mean the claims that it has some kind of built in block efficiency.

[cyan notch]

i mean nothing states that it does

[random wolf]

People suspect it does. Probably have to go dig up the code and look for it

There's some interesting numbers there

[grave bobcat]

y'know it might be really funny that bleed does dps faster than this DS heavy swings lmao

[orchid nest]

yeah I have no idea, was just speculating that if other people experience that, that it could be the defence stat doing it and it just doesn't say

[random wolf]

Like how Zealots have better I frames when sliding

[elfin crystal]

not a fan of DS tbh

[grave bobcat]

Same but, giving it another chance

[random wolf]

I'm only a fan of IV.

[random wolf]

Finding the right variant makes all the difference.

[cyan notch]

defences is just a name that covers those modifiers above

[random wolf]

Like the Hellbore Lasgun

[cyan notch]

doesnt actually mean blocking defence

[elfin crystal]

fair i only tried one. they're probably different now that i think about it

[grave bobcat]

We're talking about Duel Swords matey lol

[summer prairie]

push cost is basically defense anyway

[random wolf]

Yeah just stating an example.

[grave bobcat]

Duelling*

[random wolf]

I don't like Duelling swords in general but IV is great.

Slashy cleavy

[orchid nest]

I'm aware, but it wouldn't be the first time in a video game that some modifier isn't listed. look at the datamined class passive differences. Just speculating like I said, I have no idea it there is a difference.

[grave bobcat]

I asked the 2 DS users what the yuse and both said V so I'll take their experiences for it

But...

[teal cargo]

and how vets take double dmg while sprinting

[grave bobcat]

It's damage is so weak

[teal cargo]

amd psykers take 25% more dmg

mk v heavies do good dmg

[random wolf]

Yeah it's preference.

[teal cargo]

kill elites pretty fast

[bleak tulip]

afaik all weapons have defensive stats like the ones listed on duelling, they just dont roll for them, theyre innate

[random wolf]

Mk IV is better for hordes. Spam lights and dance around.

[bleak tulip]

so it stands to reason that there could be some sort of stat for peril block efficiency but I almost doubt it

[cyan notch]

i dont think it would be specifically peril blocking

[random wolf]

Makes sense though. Larger weapons should be better at blocking.

[cyan notch]

thats just normal blocking converted to peril

[grave bobcat]

Like, not even remotely as fast as combat knife

With their mobility being near identical

[cyan notch]

but yes all weapons have all stats

archtypes just have their own 5 that can roll a range

[random wolf]

Which is why I like the IV. It cleaves on lights unlike the dagger but has good DPS stabs on heavies.

[grave bobcat]

Only thing it has is range

[bleak tulip]

could be that peril block peril generation is affected by stam but who knows

[grave bobcat]

dagger does cleave just short range

[teal cargo]

Knife do suck vs hordes though

[random wolf]

Precisely. As you mentioned, longer range, more cleave.

So it's a fair tradeoff

[grave bobcat]

Eh, I'd prefer faster special/elite killing

[random wolf]

So the key problem is the multiple layers of RNG

You dont just need a DS

You need a DS Mk 4 with the right blessings and good base stats

[jovial frigate]

welcome to tide games

[grave bobcat]

I don't really care about horde clear 🤷

[jovial frigate]

i do

[grave bobcat]

Any weapon deals with hordes fine anyway

they're not really threatening

[summer prairie]

slow horde clear is painful

threat or not

[jovial frigate]

i wish force sword wasnt slower than a fucking thunder hamer

mobility-wise

[teal cargo]

Slow horde clear is rough

[cyan notch]

yea wastes a lot of time

then specials spawn

[stuck basalt]

add one mutant/sniper within horde instant lose

[teal cargo]

I dislike FS for that

[grave bobcat]

Meh teammates can do clear horde I've always prioritised nuking specials anyway

[teal cargo]

Depends on team I guess

sometimes you just get overrun and life sucks

[bleak tulip]

having any trashclear at all is pretty mandatory imo

without it youre as helpless as a purg user against gunners

[teal cargo]

Yea Flamers are soooo good

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[viscid cloak]

sometimes youre a staff psyker alongside a flame zealot where the only ranged we have to deal with gunners is our rippee ogryn

[teal cargo]

I love seeing flamers as Surge

Well 2 vets, Psyker, Zealot is fun times

[viscid cloak]

i was unfortunate to be that ogryn in a heresy high intensity mission

[grave bobcat]

Gunners die to 1 BB anyway unless you mean normal shooters

[bleak tulip]

3 our of 4 staves at least have void bolt

purg doesnt

[pure lion]

I wish we could sell items to the Techpriest in exchange for Plasteel and Diamantine

[bleak tulip]

and I feel it every time I try it again and then shelve it

[grave bobcat]

I want mat exchange

I odn't need 6k dia

[bleak tulip]

just looking at a group of guardsmen out of range of the staff and I cri

sit in cover and flame trash until I get picked up by mommy

that aint no way to live

[teal cargo]

wish there was weapon salvage

Or buying mats with dockets

[viscid cloak]

theres a reason why i use guns on psyker, most recently the recon lasguns

[grave bobcat]

Recon Lasgun is so fun

[cold basin]

is the quell peril bug fixed yet?

[jovial frigate]

yes

[deft trench]

not perfect, but its beautiful to me

[teal cargo]

Im rolling a vet and having guns amd tons of toughness is real nice for killing shooters

And their feats actually work for their class lol

[grave bobcat]

Tis your job tbf 😛

[teal cargo]

unlike ours

[grave bobcat]

Just Vet is also good at literally everything else

[supple skiff]

about to ding 30 on my vet, i think as soon as I have that highlight shooters perk itl be real hard to go back to being sparky

[teal cargo]

yea once PS will be set

[orchid nest]

we need to get a bolt pistol with a psybolt round weapon special. like shotgun has the single shot weapon special load

[teal cargo]

I think ill run 75% DR and highlight all shooters cos I hate dreg shooter packs

take like no dmg from surge and feels bad

heal 50% toughness from killing an elite also seems really good

ngl

[grave bobcat]

Wtf that's so good lol

[teal cargo]

Yea Vet feats actually have good synergy with their role l

[echo parrot]

In heresy and up, if you have a gun with a fast reload, you are rarely out of you ability. Plus, the ability recharges as soon as you activate the ability, not when the ability ends, so if you managed to keep it up long enough you can just instantly reactivate it as soon as it drops.

[shut thorn]

If only you saw the shock trooper feats

Main character syndrome......

[steel flame]

I wonder if we are going to get an unarmed psyker class or weapon so I can smite heretics with my mighty fist

[teal cargo]

Shock trooper feats?

[shut thorn]

vet_3

[echo parrot]

I use a 378 autogun on my vet and the distance damage feat, You would be surprised how effective I am at mowing down ranged targets (but naturally am trash at killing carapace)

[teal cargo]

It works on melee kills too which is pretty legit and makes up for poor PS defense

[shut thorn]

The minion death stuff wasn't sqleader, it's shock trooper or whatever it ends up being named on release

Basically that spec gets a ton of buffs for killing elites

[echo parrot]

Punch for final insult

[grave bobcat]

Meant to reply to you lol

[echo parrot]

Punch is so dumb

[elfin crystal]

i just use a helbore

[teal cargo]

Also all their level 30 skills seem really good

[echo parrot]

Its like killing something with a fish

[elfin crystal]

carapace go away

[shut thorn]

Also there is a 2handed power sword

🙄

Of-course vet has to have everything

[elfin crystal]

honesty wouldn't be surprised vet gets a rebalance down the road

[grave bobcat]

I kinda expect it

[supple skiff]

vets also regen more toughness per melee kill than other classes lol

[shut thorn]

Doubt it, vet is 1# most played and makes the most money via cosmetics

[grave bobcat]

Yeah this too -.-

[elfin crystal]

exactly, they got the money already

[shut thorn]

Steel legion was released prior to krieg to bait krieg fanboys to buy it, krieg prob gonna be a thing later

haven't gone through sharpshooter cosmetics to look for krieg yet

[elfin crystal]

people already paid for the skin

[supple skiff]

200 iq play on their part lol

[shut thorn]

Release steel legion: krieg fanboys pay for it
Release actual krieg cosmetics: they pay again

[elfin crystal]

it was definitely done for that yeah. i'm not denying

[shut thorn]

also there's enforcer stuff for vets

in

"releasable"

state

[elfin crystal]

mobile gaming marketing

[shut thorn]

Psykers get a buncha cosmetics in "inquisition colors" whatever that means

[elfin crystal]

i mean, to be fair. people who paid for cosmetics right now would pay anyway for krieg if vet would get nerfed

[bleak tulip]

krieg cosmetics wouldnt really make sense with any of the vet personalities

[elfin crystal]

they just don't care

[shut thorn]

Does steel legion, or the krieg lasgun

[elfin crystal]

i don't think they care about that either

[grave bobcat]

Welp, back to chasing plasteel

[elfin crystal]

if anything we got the helbore and shovel. make of that what you will

[steel flame]

That is so dumb

[elfin crystal]

they also know people want krieg since before release

[shut thorn]

hey, atleast the surge vfx is less painful now

but enjoy ur sedition runs LMAO

I am so glad I finally don't need to do that anymore

[magic kettle]

2 babies, working on others. sadly can't make a sword with deflector 😦

[grave bobcat]

I don't even use Surge lmao

[supple skiff]

playbing with 4 vets iona game right now all rocking power swords

[grave bobcat]

And I only play Damn cause I would burnout if I played malice or below

[supple skiff]

its a fucking joke

[shut thorn]

I was getting most efficient times w/ combat blade and surge, used surge to stun elites that couldn't be bypassed otherwise

[grave bobcat]

It's just the least fun way

[supple skiff]

ammo isnt even an issue cause of coherency

[regal jasper]

Playing on Microsoft sucks

I never get teams

[grave bobcat]

Eh I prefer the more fun way than efficient for this game

[magic kettle]

Surge staff with a solid melee partner = damnation easy mode.

[shut thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-zealot-waiting-gif-25557244

[magic kettle]

pitty damage sucks

[echo parrot]

Surge + 3 power sword vets

[bleak tulip]

I do have to say the forums are hilariously frustrating to read

gets patch
WHENS NEXT PATCH

[elfin crystal]

surge + purga is damnation baby sitting mode

[ebon jolt]

How do you guys get good staves? I've been playing Psyker so long and all my staves suck. D:

[shut thorn]

ye I've been having burnout syndrome w/ dt cuz of grinding for plasteel so much

[regal jasper]

I don’t have money but i do have gamepass so im working with what i got lol

[shut thorn]

Start game
Instantly want to close it once it loads into hub

[ebon jolt]

Then again I have like 10 force swords so I guess RNG is just playing me.

[shut thorn]

Rookie numbers

[grave bobcat]

Which is why I've been trying out all the weapons, builds I can attempt, etc lol

[elfin crystal]

i mean i kinda can understand them even if they are impatient. we are missing a lot of shit

[grave bobcat]

Or else I just can't motivate myself

[elfin crystal]

rng

[shut thorn]

Try DS MK IV or Combat blade (knife thing)

Very fun

[bleak tulip]

bitching about it every chance you get isnt gonna make it come faster

[shut thorn]

great change from FS/Antax/Tacax

[grave bobcat]

I'm trying DS again now evben though I dislike it

[magic kettle]

A bit of RNG, look at the BASE value, check your store, buy a grey or green or blue with a 350+ rating and upgrade it. once you have ONE item high enough rating more come..

[grave bobcat]

Combat blade is one of my favourites though

[echo parrot]

You're welcome

[grave bobcat]

lmao

Was waiting for that

[shut thorn]

It's really funny when an ogryn gets upset when they see me blocking forever w it

Lol

[magic kettle]

BASE rating mind you. check my jpg

[echo parrot]

bows

[elfin crystal]

no, but it keeps the issue hot and in front of the eyes of everyone. shutting up about it ain't gonna fix the issue either. and the squeaky wheel gets the oil yada yada. i'd rather people be loud about it

[grave bobcat]

I just play like a Zealot in mage clothes

[shut thorn]

God, tell me abt it

The combat blade anims

are 11/10

Whoever animated it deserves a bonus

[magic kettle]

Wish Deflector was not that rare, made over 20 swords, force swords. that is... nada.:(

[patent hatch]

Just got going out with a bang by accident 😎

[shut thorn]

Rookie numbers

[grave bobcat]

The block attack down swing

[elfin crystal]

yeah the combat blade anims are nice

[grave bobcat]

So nice

[shut thorn]

Or the heavy face stab

[magic kettle]

show me yours 😛

[barren token]

im trying for that and maonstronum

[grave bobcat]

I mostly spam the block attack cause it has the easiest cleave/weakspot hit

[patent hatch]

You have to have a team to do maonstronum unfortunately. Not something you can just do

[shut thorn]

Not able to get on pc rn, I can later ig. Granted I'm missing quite a few because I just ended up discarding shit blessings later on due to how annoying it got to scroll

Remind me again why we don't have a grid menu

[magic kettle]

who knows

[barren token]

Howd you get Going out?

[shut thorn]

The funny way

[magic kettle]

my bast sword.. sadly it sucks:(

[teal cargo]

Vets also can get ability refresh for killing normal shooters at level 30...

Or instanrly gain 60% toughness and ability refresh for killing elites

[elfin crystal]

wait lmao. you can do it with vet?

[shut thorn]

yes

[teal cargo]

Kinda nuts

[shut thorn]

plasma gun is a staff

[elfin crystal]

nice

[shut thorn]

technically

[patent hatch]

The fuck

[bleak tulip]

same mechanic

why make a separate mechanic when you already have it

[magic kettle]

wait what???? it works like....WTF!!?!?! going to do that now

[bleak tulip]

they jsut didnt add a check for class

[elfin crystal]

yeah fair enough

[patent hatch]

That’s just funny

[shut thorn]

Speaking of which, they might've tossed it in today's patch

So who knows

[magic kettle]

still..

[elfin crystal]

still worth a try

[bleak tulip]

I feel like they have bigger fish to fry lmao

[elfin crystal]

yeah defo

[patent hatch]

I mean

That’s not a bad thing

[shut thorn]

Yeah the salmon for xmas

[patent hatch]

That’s just funny

[shut thorn]

😎

[magic kettle]

people got the zealot charge mutie peanaance with an ogryn ..soo.. .. it is fat shark?

[bleak tulip]

people constantly complain about crafting not being done, ignoring the fact that literally every hotfix has like 3 entries for crash fixes which are just much higher on the priority chart

[patent hatch]

Fart shark

[patent hatch]

Ikr

[shut thorn]

crafting seems to be done, likely they're holding it back to get rid of fundamental bugs first

[magic kettle]

however. they have adds, globally.. showing a complete working crafting system....

[shut thorn]

granted there's also incentive to drip feed content

[magic kettle]

you mean exploitss...ahhemmm bugs

[shut thorn]

nah there's none w/ crafting

[patent hatch]

I mean Idc about no crafting system tbh I just want to kill heretics with my funny lightning staff

[bleak tulip]

I mean I cant expect people to understand gamedev in depth but at this point I would have assumed people knew a bit about it, I guess the average forum and discord poster isnt into the background stuff the same way I am

[shut thorn]

the code for applying stuff is done on their servers

[barren token]

its a blue curio but ILL TAKE IT

[patent hatch]

Well: there probably is we just haven’t found them

[shut thorn]

Peril block time

[magic kettle]

speaking of curio.. anyoen make a 200 curio yet?

best I have done is 160:(

[summer prairie]

not possible

[bleak tulip]

rating actually doesnt matter for curios lol

[jovial frigate]

i think 170 is the cap iusnt it

[magic kettle]

i know.. but it is funny

[bleak tulip]

you can get the same blessing for like a range of 20 rating

prob more

[magic kettle]

The fact that curios cost the same to upgrade is.....shiiiiii

[barren token]

now if only i could get a damn DEFELCTOR sword to go with it

[jovial frigate]

also speaking of which has anyone seen a wounds blessing curio with 80 points on it

[teal cargo]

Obese Fish

[shut thorn]

Just get a combat blade :)

[jovial frigate]

i wanna know if 80 is the threshold for 2 wounds or not

[magic kettle]

all honestly.. deflector should be a feat.

[bleak tulip]

there is no 2 wounds

[shut thorn]

Nah it should be default on swords

If you look through the force sword code, it was originally going to be default

[magic kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-looking-around-staying-vigilant-gif-10055847

[supple skiff]

yeah did silo with 4 vets in 23 minutes. All decent players, no one lost more than a single wound at any given point. No one dropped below thje yellow ammo indicator and we all used our guns the majority of the time

[shut thorn]

granted they might've just done this to test it out

[jovial frigate]

just making sure because i know stam is a 75 threshold for 3 stam, just havent seen a 80 point wounds curio yet so i wsnt sure

[barren token]

im missing something arent i? why the blade as opposed yo the dueling sword

[supple skiff]

vet needs a nerf lmao

[ebon jolt]

I mean, I do think Force Sword is viable without deflector & block efficiency.

[shut thorn]

1. cool animations
2. dmg
3. flex on ogryns who use slab shield

[magic kettle]

but that would be ....tooo goood 😛

[shut thorn]

tiny knife in psyker's hands > slab shield

lmao

[magic kettle]

soulburn is Fairly strong on force sword.

[patent hatch]

I use the chain sword. 1. Reason it’s the FS but cooler in every way

[jovial frigate]

duelling sword lost the 1 thing that let it be as fun as the knife

[shut thorn]

theres a blessing force sword can get

bloodthirster i think

that gives

guaranteed crits

if u do a special attack once

[magic kettle]

wait? they removed the dash on dueling sword?

[bleak tulip]

the dash slide boost yeah

[jovial frigate]

ye

[magic kettle]

fs

[shut thorn]

Sock's force sword

[jovial frigate]

psykers cant have fun remember

[ebon jolt]

And when you have guaranteed crits you can do stuff like this:

[supple skiff]

hmm

was about to ask, works on the alt fire

thats pretty cool

[grave bobcat]

Do you have to kill something first to make it crit

[magic kettle]

yes I hate snipers 😛

[grave bobcat]

Or does it crit IF you can kill it

[near wyvern]

That's nice but can it 1 tap heavy or 2 tap light groaner and pox walker heads on Damnation?

[jovial frigate]

this actually sounds really fun

[supple skiff]

Id rather deflector with slaughterer personally tho

[near wyvern]

Blood thirsty is OP tho

[cedar oak]

anyone else getting stuck in forcesword blocking?

[magic kettle]

sould burn from a sword 1 shots a bulwark. dunnno why.. but it does..

[grave bobcat]

oh no

lol

[supple skiff]

oh wait I misread it

[maiden sleet]

I have 1 shot a couple elites as long as I had high peril on damnation lol

[supple skiff]

special attack kill not special kill

[barren token]

when the perks are good but base stats are meh

[shut thorn]

you can qqclick them to death within like 2s

[supple skiff]

yeah thats really good

[shut thorn]

oh

u said

pox walker

lol

i was talking abt mutant

poxwalkers die in one hit

w/ that blessing

[jovial frigate]

with bloodthirst and mutant dam you could probably take out most of the games specials with just light special attacks

[shut thorn]

yup

even crusher gets bullied

all u gotta do is get a special attack kill then you're overpowered mode for 5s*

[magic kettle]

I feel ya.

[jovial frigate]

do consecutive special kills refresh it

[maiden sleet]

I put 10% dmg to elites on the fs, plus with psyker’s aura that grants an extra 10% dmg to elites

[shut thorn]

yes lol

[jovial frigate]

kek

[magic kettle]

Thing is, you need to be consistent...

[jovial frigate]

thats also insane because then

[shut thorn]

not rlly

[jovial frigate]

you can special into the peril push block and the stagger pool you build guarantees crushers fall to the floor

[magic kettle]

Being a surge stun psyker just..works... not glorious or anythng

[near wyvern]

It works as long as your team has damage

[supple skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[magic kettle]

well yeah

[shut thorn]

FS is extremely viable with bloodthirsty but

I haven't gotten a single bloodthirsty blessing on any psyker melee

So rip

[magic kettle]

ditto

[shut thorn]

Not gonna do the grind again

[magic kettle]

no blood thirst no deflector

and 1 soulburn

[maiden sleet]

You’ll get it one day

[near wyvern]

When I play surge I happen to get half infested team mates who don't know how to work a trigger

[maiden sleet]

I got it through crafting from a blue weapon lol

[shut thorn]

I got deflector after like 300hrs of gameplay, some 100hrs of grinding nonstop mats

[magic kettle]

sooo then I should have 2?

[jovial frigate]

meanwhile im sitting on like 5 9% deflectors

[magic kettle]

Mean while nearly every staff i make, gets run and gun..

[near wyvern]

Then at 24th they are going to unlock the stat cap to 100% so you gotta do it all again

[plucky remnant]