psyker-class

[drowsy fog]

home at last

[wise pecan]

i like surge because i like being able to stop crushers and open up bulwarks

[drowsy fog]

backstep and burn baby

[fringe remnant]

again, I just don't know the team needs that

[fringe garden]

I was liking surge a lot until I really started messing with a deflector FS and Purgation staff. And the team always needs complete and utter horde destruction in just a couple seconds

The faster the horde dies the more everyone can focus on the big threats

[drowsy fog]

what the team "needs" is relative, a win is a win

play what you want, the rest will come

[clear heath]

Surge is pretty nice for babysitting people

[wise pecan]

that just tickles the nipples of a crusher

[jaunty atlas]

I don't know. Each time i run purg i wish i had void, nobody is going long range. The possibility to shoot at infinite range without ammo is quite insane

[clear heath]

Most people you encounter will be running damage anyways. Keeping them alive is the hard part

[fringe garden]

I mean, with enough damage you will stay alive because everything is dead

[drowsy fog]

with how many vets there are range is bound to be covered anyway

plus dont worry so much about what gap you fill cuz its impossible to fill them all on your own thats why its a team game

[jaunty atlas]

They run bolters, they cannot afford to explode the spawn pack at the other side of the tile

[fringe remnant]

sharpshooter has a power sword, bolter and grenade. There isn't anything he needs from any other member of the team.

A preacher has a stun grenade and can take a flamer if they're worried about hordes. They don't need a psyker either.

going puff puff puff for a few seconds to kill a poxwalker is just not good enough when you could just pull out an axe and kill it. Even having deflector on a force sword is generally worse to just shooting the threat with a gun.

[fringe garden]

Trying to fill a specific gap is a crapshoot unless you're in a premade. And if you are.. then you can decide on that easily enough

[clear heath]

Well, nearly every vet is gonna run power sword + some high damage gun.
Nearly every zealot is gonna run flamer or bolter
The only time you lack damage is if most of the team is psykers with surge staff, and vets and zealots are much more popular to play as anyways. Your team is usually gonna have enough damage unless they die

[jaunty atlas]

I realised that on the train map, when they pop in the structure in the scaffolding

You can smoke whole packs before anybody has even the chance to see them

I'm pretty sure they're more psykers than zealots now

[cyan notch]

not in my experience

its always zealots and vets

[drowsy fog]

at the end of the day I enjoy the purg staff and nothing will stop that 🙂

[clear heath]

I remember someone keeping track of what teammates they got, and zealots were slightly more common than psykrs

[jaunty atlas]

Or the MM pairs me exclusively with them

[clear heath]

also especially this patch, no way in hell are people playing psyker

half the psyker players can't even look at the screen anymore

[jaunty atlas]

Yeah that kind of optimisation is hard to beat

[night marten]

hey now, I still love it

[dull cedar]

does the force push scale with peril? like push harder with 100% or something

[cyan notch]

no lol

[jaunty atlas]

Yes

A lot more

This is blatant with 6B

You'll see the soulblaze applied very, very far

[fringe remnant]

I kinda want the old force sword back. I know people didn't like burning out while blocking, but it would be cool to have your force sword be your main source of peril while running a gun in the other hand

[jaunty atlas]

This is. A problem sometimes, I'm pretty sure i pulled daemons with that

[cyan notch]

what

i thought hes asking about force sword push

[clear heath]

Well, this was a post from a long time ago, and it didn't cover damnation, but i doubt it's changed that much. Plus psykers got shit on this patch and zealot got a new weapon
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zhe6ch/my_friends_and_i_kept_track_of_what_classes_we/

[jaunty atlas]

Oh. Then mb

Force push is F for me

[dull cedar]

yeah I mean F

[drowsy fog]

someone tell me about the pros and cons of the different dueling swords compared to each other

[dull cedar]

i cant remember the name

I was gonna say jedi push lol

[jaunty atlas]

The force sword has a weird grab n push too

Not influenced by peril

[fringe remnant]

it used to be way stronger

[dull cedar]

you mean the F?

[fringe remnant]

the sword push

[jaunty atlas]

I honestly dislike this weapon. It looks like a blade but we use it like a rapier

The force part stop it but not like a chainsword, it does that weird siphon that siphon nothing

Bleh.

Deflector is really the only thing that make it useful

[dull cedar]

same. I'd use the force sword more if there's horizontal sweep combo

[jaunty atlas]

I'll wait for the 2h version i guess

[dull cedar]

it just sucks, too slow, and useless

I hate it even with deflector

[fringe remnant]

IV is like stab stab stab
V is like stab stab thwomp

[dull cedar]

chainsword > force sword

[fringe remnant]

chainsword is worse vs single target

[jaunty atlas]

Idk deflector permits you to be very cocky, peculiarly with purge staff. Sometimes nobody will solve a range trap aside from you progressing frontally with it

[fringe remnant]

force sword also does this thing where it can kill at long range. Like if you charge it, sidestep a charger and hit it as it goes past, the final force kill animation can happen after he has run past you.

[reef imp]

Dueling sword is cool as hell...I'm all zippy like my zealot.

[long wharf]

same with Eviscerators

[dull cedar]

chainsword can also do this I think

[compact cargo]

Caxe with peril block is still the best psyker melee

spam push attack only, enjoy brutal momentum

[fringe remnant]

doesn't do as much damage though

[reef imp]

I love that move with evis

[dull cedar]

chain handle horde a lot better

which is why I hate force

[jaunty atlas]

I have an excellent one I never used it. It looks more like button mashing that playing i dislike that. You can block it a bit with it ? Is it really worth to have vs an antax ?

[fringe remnant]

That cockiness can also get you into a lot of trouble if you don't get team backup

[reef imp]

I use my staff for hordes, and melee for defense and cleanup mostly.

[cyan notch]

duelling sword definitely is cool

[orchid nest]

force can handle horde well with slaughterer. but then you need two specific blessings on a decently rolled one. easier said than done for now until full crafting.

[fringe remnant]

mk V axe handles a horde better

[drowsy fog]

caxe may be good but by viture of being an axe its trash

[reef imp]

Yeah the speed and dodge feel amazing on DS

[wanton sandal]

also chainsword cant have deflector

[wanton sandal]

your staff handles hordes better, depending if you use the good ones

at least for me, i run void and purg

and bring chain/fs for single target

[jaunty atlas]

Oh absolutely. That's why i run 3 wounds and usually use void but sometimes.. you know.

[dull cedar]

staff obv better vs horde, just when the time comes you need to rely on melee

[cyan notch]

purg is cool for left click and monster damage

but otherwise id rather use void

[fringe remnant]

the thing about the MkV axe is each light swing kills something, including medium armored targets. This isn't reliably true for chain sword, force sword or duelling swords

[wanton sandal]

i just like pointing at a horde and making them disappear from my dream

[jaunty atlas]

Right click is a fast cheap control before the main dish

It's really really useful

[drowsy fog]

if it was anything other than an axe id use it

[dull cedar]

depends. there's a reason mkV cult and chainsword cult exists in #zealot-class

[fringe remnant]

zealot has a two handed chainsword, thats a much more compelling argument

[jaunty atlas]

It's not a mere axe. It's a shield that cuts things. Special can push any mass and it shreds everything

[cyan notch]

yea in a game with jedi lightsabers and chainsaw swords and slidey cutlasses and cool knife tricks axes are by far the lowest ranking in the cool factor

F tier even

[jaunty atlas]

Yes. It doesn't feel psyker at all

[cyan notch]

doesnt even look good qq spamming when bored

[dull cedar]

chainsword cult would argu chainsword is better than evis, with damn good reasons

[drowsy fog]

I never use axes in any game ever, I am aesthetically allergic

[compact cargo]

why, axes are great, blood for blood god

[dull cedar]

evis has its downside

[drowsy fog]

axes are ugly as piss

[jaunty atlas]

"I'm chopping wood with my teeth f that axe"

[dull cedar]

and I dont like using evis too, even if it's the cool 2h chain sword

[reef imp]

Punching trees, Minecraft style

[cyan notch]

even devil's claw is cooler with its parry

[orchid nest]

this is why I want my slaughterer/deflector fs. still chops stuff really well. undeniable how strong antax is but I made a psyker to feel like a psyker

[cyan notch]

axe is just "i am doing woodcutting"

[drowsy fog]

as a tool is different, its functional. As a weapon is unacceptable, I cant achieve glory without looking good while I do it

[simple junco]

Rule of cool

[native ember]

you have a fire emblem avatar

do you just pray calvary away?

[simple junco]

Over level Donnel and send him to take care of everything

[drowsy fog]

correct, and no I have mages and effective weaponry for that

[simple junco]

Alternatively, play Frederick Emblem

[jaunty atlas]

Looking good with a duelling sword or a fs is really hard too. You just like an American parking wobbler thing

[reef imp]

https://tenor.com/view/wacky-waving-inflatable-flailing-arms-tune-man-family-guy-waving-arms-gif-16617944|

[cyan notch]

the what

[drowsy fog]

mk iv dueling sword looks good, its got the engraving

[simple junco]

Compared to Shooty Two Shoes or Thwack McGee

[drowsy fog]

@grave bobcat I have something more challenging than melee only for you

[orchid nest]

the weird second upwards light swing is a weird choice for a finesse weapon. oh well though, expect to use certain combos in tide games anyways I guess

[cyan notch]

yes

[jaunty atlas]

Dunno the name. It's a pupper filled by a compressor but that isn't fully hermetic

[cyan notch]

i am even more confused

[jaunty atlas]

Antax you want to look cool you just heavy overhead. There. It's done.

https://tenor.com/view/inflatable-tube-man-air-dancer-wind-balloon-air-puppet-gif-24875468

Here

[cyan notch]

thats still just "i need to split this log really well"

oh that wacky inflatable arm guy

[orchid nest]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-dee-dancing-gif-22483601

[idle panther]

ooh I made something decent

[jaunty atlas]

Everything is a log when you have an antax

[cyan notch]

yes but my power fantasy isnt to be a woodcutter

[fierce sinew]

the real question is what perks we like on flame staff

the damage ones don't modify the DoT, do they? and the base damage is a big whatever

[jaunty atlas]

Yeah... That's the main problem.

[jaunty atlas]

Since flurry is bugged honestly... Goes with what you have

Or badly designed

[fierce sinew]

I mean perks, not blessings

[jaunty atlas]

Does it take perks into account?

[fierce sinew]

+% damage that scales the garbage listed damage seems wasteful

[cyan notch]

crit gives 2x blaze stacks so people say thats good

+crit chance that is

[hollow bronze]

how does one "go out with a bang"? strats for playing without a preset team

[jaunty atlas]

hmm. trauma staff. you charge two heavies on ragers then you hug them

i guess you can do that with any staff really, just see a pack of ragers, dent them a raise you peril then let them come

[night marten]

crit chance

[quiet plover]

For the Penance "Pick n' Mix." Does the 12 seconds limit mean "within 12 seconds of each kill" or "Within 12 seconds total"?

[night marten]

the latter

[quiet plover]

Thansk

[drowsy fog]

generally whichever one is less convenient will always be the answer with penances lol

funny the only 380 ive found is a devils claw

[teal cargo]

Can't believe vet chat legit supporting running away from team after somebody triggers a DH ☠️

[drowsy fog]

well thats dumb

they arent that hard to kill

cowards

[teal cargo]

like come on just because they cant tank host doesnt mean other classes cannot either

Vet thinking

[simple junco]

Vets can't dodge confirmed

[stark junco]

Did they change something? Seems harder to quell when going over before exploding.. Sometimes I just can't quell, where as I used to be able to

[placid glen]

yep 3 sec delay

[stark junco]

Seems like it's a bug?

[wispy junco]

yes its a bug

[cyan notch]

fix coming any day now

[wanton sandal]

along with another nerf

[cyan notch]

t1 deflector but ill take it mr gun shop man

[wanton sandal]

hehe...

[cyan notch]

warp res too low

[wanton sandal]

meh i can live with it

best i got for now

[cyan notch]

this is my current one so im def using the new one

[idle panther]

curious as to why forcesword is so highly prized

[wanton sandal]

great single target damage and deflector

[idle panther]

(still using a chainsword)

[cyan notch]

and deflector is really rare

[wanton sandal]

i still prefer my chainsword when i run voidstrike

[idle panther]

is this any good?

[idle panther]

ohh I see, I'm using a voidstrike

[wanton sandal]

sad mobility but great

[jaunty atlas]

The Emprah has spoken.

[fringe garden]

What do most people use for first tier toughness regen talent?

[cyan notch]

i use quietitude

[leaden pier]

welp that took awhile

[wanton sandal]

quietitude for on-demand toughness

also i think it works on autoquell

[cyan notch]

grats

[idle panther]

I guess the +1 stam (since it's for blocking) on it is good, might reroll that 8% melee dmg, but not sure what to swap it for

[wanton sandal]

funny thing is, soon as i crank out 40 more missions i wont even use the hood

i just prefer the rebreahter

for my beautiful eyes

[fringe garden]

You want block efficiency

[idle panther]

thank you!

[fringe garden]

Makes deflector do more work

Though I'd drop the stam myself

[leaden pier]

i did just buy the veil from the shop tho

[wanton sandal]

i'd reroll the other way around if u use kinetic deflection

maybe get unyielding or block efficiency

[idle panther]

is it possible to get 3* block eff. on this?

or should I stop

[cyan notch]

yes its possible

[idle panther]

ty

[cyan notch]

u can get tier4 too

just roll until you get 20% block

[idle panther]

I don't need the weapon immediately but I'd been sitting on a ton of currency

[cyan notch]

its free after a bit anyway

[wanton sandal]

pass me some plasteel lmao

[cyan notch]

just like that one roll

[jaunty atlas]

huh peeps. i cliked on a item. a clicked on a second item. i push X, it deleted the first one ... my god roll at 380 ... thre's a backup somewhere ?

[cyan notch]

doubt it

[jaunty atlas]

i cannot buy it back

[wanton sandal]

you fuckedu p

[jaunty atlas]

but ... i clicked on another

[cyan notch]

quick record it

submit video on bugs to fatshart forums

maybe they will give u a free weapon

[idle panther]

well, I think for this current weapon's level, this is as good as it gets and it'll serve me until the next time I see something decent in the shop

[jaunty atlas]

nah. fotunately it's a wepaon i do not play but ...

man they need to put a lock system

[idle panther]

what do you usually pair up forceswords with?

[cyan notch]

hey i have one too

[jaunty atlas]

even more with their buggy interface

[wanton sandal]

like, ranged?

i run it with my purg

[jaunty atlas]

savage sweep mate

[idle panther]

fair

[versed yoke]

Hi guys, can you please share an opinion about using surge staff?
Im currently playing heresy+. While leveling I had a blast with void staff as it is comfortable to use in most scenarios, and I used purge as well - quite strong and fun
Recentrly I at last found in shop surge and trauma. And decided to try out surge first

As I see surge is for shooters and specials and it is really good vs berserkers
But I dont get it how to understand what target it will hit. I recently tried to CC a spreaded group of shooters and failed to CC all of them wich resulted in getting some damage.
So questions about surge:

1. How to CC wide group of shooters with it, if this is possible?
2. Should I charge it heavily or fire a few low charged attacks does it affect only damage?
3. Also if I see bulwarks or crushers in coming horde should I switch to BB them or just surge?
4. Should I use it against pure horde to help teammates, or just stay on overwatch looking for specials?
5. which perks and blessings to aim for? I have increased crit and mov speed perks. And blessing cause supression on close range kills. Is crit viable for surge?

Sorry if some questions are stupid, but I really cant feel myself comfortable with surge atm and want to understand it better

[wanton sandal]

doesnt surge only target like 5?

not a great horde weapon

[violet yoke]

Max of 5 and splits damge the more u hit

[wanton sandal]

i think heresy breakpoint for stagger on shooters is like 50% charge

[olive ember]

surge stagger doesn't change based on charge

[wanton sandal]

thought it did

[fringe garden]

Really? It seems like it does

[wanton sandal]

gonna need a meatgrinder check on that

[olive ember]

nah otherwise it would be a pain in the ass to stagger mutants

i think its duration of how long you lightning them tho

[wanton sandal]

exactly, i dont think i ever staggered a mutant with no charge

[olive ember]

like ik if you don't hit the full seconadary duration on the mutant then it wont get stunned

[versed yoke]

it can stagger mutants? oh my...

[wanton sandal]

anyways
3) bb takes like 4 hits on ogryns at heresy, just cc them with surge to help out
4) mostly elites, do it on hordes as you please

[olive ember]

well yeah thats the whole reason to bring surge, it hard cc's mutants, hounds, and bursters

[cyan notch]

1. aim for the closest guy and hope it chains but yes generally possible unless too spread out
2. min charge is best for cc max charge only increases damage
3. depends cuz surge targeting is pretty random unless the big guys are in front of the horde id bb them
4. definitely dont use it against horde cuz youll just stun (not kill) a bunch of trash
5. crit is decent bc surge has crit chance bonuses

[fringe garden]

Surge staff will be a lot more fun if we do get the Force Great Sword and it actually is a decent horde clearing weapon

[wise pecan]

Gentlemen. It is my pleasure to inform you all tonight, something of crucial importance: I have discovered a method to cheese Out With a Bang (that isn't just 'play veteran')

[idle panther]

ohhh yeah... then I guess the forcesword becomes ungodly good when run with (Kinetic Deflection)

[wanton sandal]

you p much can turn into a tank

[long wharf]

well, not ungodly

problem is you have much slower passive quelling

[idle panther]

true

[long wharf]

so you can tank until your peril shoots up too high

[wanton sandal]

not an issue if you run staffs tho

[idle panther]

you'd still have to quell at some point

[versed yoke]

Thank you guys for contribution! It was very helpfull

[wanton sandal]

quell is pretty fast with a decent quell roll

[olive ember]

FS slaughterer helps with horde clear

[idle panther]

staves allow for faster quelling, I noticed

[olive ember]

tho deflector is the key trait

[long wharf]

the key to tanking is not active quelling

[wanton sandal]

fs moveset just sucks for hordeclear

[fringe garden]

Purg staff with the final talent Ascendant Blaze keeps warp charges up like no tomorrow. Easily keep the extra 24% peril resist from the tier 2 talent. It's.. really not an issue

[long wharf]

but passive quelling coupled with quietude

[grizzled nexus]

swap to a gun for fast passive quell 👍

[cyan notch]

yea cuz they have a quell speed stat which increases quell speed

[wise pecan]

Investigation. Heresy difficulty. After you complete the mission and are returning to the Valkyrie, simply... don't. Just wait at the landing. Eventually, the spawns trickle down to one of two packs:

1. a handleful of melee dregs
2. three ragers

With an understanding (and competent) team, you can practice your attempt indefinitely, until you find success.

[idle panther]

yeah, I noticed

[violet yoke]

I still don't like the FS at all.. it's just to slow 🐌

[olive ember]

to be fair the slower quell speed doesn't rly matter unless you are literally getting completely swarmed or you are tanking a host

its not that bad tbh

the move set

[long wharf]

it matters greatly

[idle panther]

yeah, the FS doesn't, so I guess it does sort of balance it

[olive ember]

its one light, one heavy, spam push

[fringe garden]

Block push - light attack - Heavy attack, rinse repeat.. isn't the worst at managing a horde.

[olive ember]

i've seen worse

[fringe garden]

Not great, though, admittedly

[idle panther]

I find myself rarely doing BBs on enemies now

[spiral remnant]

Same

[wanton sandal]

better off just using your (not surge) staff tbh

[olive ember]

I mean I prefer it over the eviscerators move set atleast XD I can't use that thing on my zealot

[spiral remnant]

Unless it’s like a mauler or crusher

[idle panther]

most teammates crush specials pretty fast

[fringe garden]

Well sure, but if they are right on your face that isn't much of an option

[idle panther]

I only BB if it's an elusive out-of-reach enemy

[wise pecan]

I will run another heresy investigation mission or two, just to confirm whether those spawns are truly fixed, or if they are randomized per mission

[wanton sandal]

inversely, i use it a lot with void since i run that lvl 30 feat

[wanton sandal]

slide crouching :trol

[idle panther]

(Kinetic Barrage)?

[wanton sandal]

yeah that one

melts ogryns

[idle panther]

I'll bet

[orchid nacelle]

is this sword good even without defl

[cyan notch]

kinda mid

[wanton sandal]

rending is alright ig, but not terriblhy

cant really repeat hit with the special

[olive ember]

you want first target as a role on FS, both traits are mid

[wanton sandal]

which is mainly what u do

[simple junco]

Wow, started playing veteran and specifically targetting the ranged trash and it's honestly pretty relaxing

[fringe garden]

The force sword is pretty pointless without deflector

[idle panther]

they don't let us reroll them blessings yet - am sad

[wanton sandal]

vet is really fun

[olive ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1053454438494384149/image.png

This is the FS i'm running and yea

slaughtere is 10/10 imo

[versed yoke]

What talents do use with surge? I tried different builds and I cant sustaing soulblaze as good as on surge wich in turn cripples a few talents

[olive ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049940190656995418/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049940323301871647/image.png
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Top to Bottom: Purge, Voidstrike, Surge

[versed yoke]

ouch sorry for wrong replay

[wanton sandal]

what is wrong with you

running battery on purg

[fringe garden]

surge has pretty terrible synergy with our talents

[olive ember]

?? you always run battery on purge

[versed yoke]

Thank you

[simple junco]

Right?? If you're not trying to out damage for elites and just make your team's life easier, vet is suuuper nice

[wanton sandal]

idk i run kinetic overload

[olive ember]

not worth

[wanton sandal]

i disagree

[night marten]

121122

it's the purge build man

[olive ember]

Don't rly think KO is worth it but meh

atleast you aren't running KF with purge

[wise pecan]

for my successful run, i happened to be running a purgatus staff. the build really didn't matter much in terms of the penance's success/failure: what mattered was juggling the amount of damage i was doing, the amount of peril i was taking, and my aggro/health. i found success in roughly 50/50 spamming basic left click attacks into the ragers and the floor while constantly side-dodging, to keep them aggro'd, significantly wound them, but not prematurely kill them

[wanton sandal]

lol

tho i might run EH instead of quiet

that sounds like a good idea

since ur constantly gaining warp charges

[cyan notch]

he replied wrongly lol hes not asking about the penance at all

[wise pecan]

ah, fair

[olive ember]

oh right you don't use soulblaze at all with surge

zero fire only lightning

[versed yoke]

yeah but it is still interesting and helpfull cause Im interested in doing them at some point)))

[idle panther]

I feel like they gotta do something to help BB out in the later stages of the game. Kinetic Flayer is like, a free BB every 15 sec. but like, actually manually performing a BB is so... special-case.

[olive ember]

I can run through the surge traits because thats the one I use the most

[idle panther]

like maybe a blessing that speeds up BB or a feat, I dunno

[wanton sandal]

the bb charge could be a touch faster

[versed yoke]

oh I mistaken soulblaze with our passive stackable bonus - forgot the name

[idle panther]

the BB is good early on, but later on teammates will outmelt enemies so I just don't bother any more

[wanton sandal]

or change the fucking rmb for BB so it slowly builds peril once its fully charged, instead of trucking right ahead towards critical peril

[drowsy fog]

realized I havent used a devils claw since leveling out of it and the only 380 ive found is one so I gave it a try
was honestly not disappointed

[ornate hamlet]

What's perils of the warp explosion for Going Out With a Bang?

[idle panther]

yeah, that is troublesome

[wanton sandal]

i never was a huge fan of devil claw, but i see a lot of people say its great

[drowsy fog]

when you overcharge on peril and blow yourself up

[wanton sandal]

overdose on brain juice

[fierce hazel]

Nuking yourself

[ornate hamlet]

Gotcha. Thanks.

[idle panther]

Pooping your pants

Uh oh, stinky!

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty simple for me then.,

[wanton sandal]

aw hell naw

[drowsy fog]

was probably the blessing doing a lot of work but this thing is a monster with hordes

[olive ember]

devil claw is "good" because horde clear

[wanton sandal]

let out a warp storm in my pants

[fierce hazel]

Becoming a little poopy piss baby

[olive ember]

but clearly the unenlightened have not tried the antax

[drowsy fog]

the enlightened know that axes are stinky(derogatory)

[olive ember]

lies

[idle panther]

I've managed to NOT overload yet and I feel bad knowing that there's a penance that requires it

[wanton sandal]

guh!!!! im just gonna go play ogryn or vet for the rest of tonight

[olive ember]

so does every psyker

[drowsy fog]

dont feel bad, its not something you want to do

[idle panther]

because getting that cosmetic item literally signifies that "this guy pooped his pants"

[wanton sandal]

tbh if ur gonna go down anyways, its nice to take the horde with you

[fierce hazel]

That's the part that keeps me from trying it. I can't in good conscience ask my rando team to be cool with me purposely downing myself

[olive ember]

I found a LFG group who was running penances

and got it through that

[fierce hazel]

This too tho. If I'm dumb and cross that line I charge the horde

[olive ember]

nothing on my conscious and I still get the drip

[drowsy fog]

I got mine through a group all going for bang lol

[wanton sandal]

conscience, sibling

[fierce hazel]

[olive ember]

🤔 its !:35 AM

thats my excuse

[wanton sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[fierce hazel]

[olive ember]

wheres the part where he does the funny one punch

[drowsy fog]

ayo someone let me buy their plasteel

[olive ember]

Lmao you think I need gold?

[idle panther]

how about a trait that, every 90s, you can overload and it makes you invulnerable for 3s and gives you unlimited sprint so you can kamikaze the horde. when brought back to your feet, it doesn't cost you any corruption (also, it raises nearby downed teammates and cures mold, mildew, cancer and athletes foot)

[drowsy fog]

yes, you use an axe so you must be broke

[olive ember]

I actually use the FS 400k and nothing to spend it on

[fierce hazel]

I hit a 376 purg staff last night with some nice stats, MFW

[olive ember]

already got the 165k gray psyker hood just to immediately replace it with the t2 hood

[drowsy fog]

t2 hood better than t3 hood

[wanton sandal]

i hate the green trim on it

[nimble needle]

I got my goggle hood tonight

[wanton sandal]

also why couldnt our t3 cosmetic be a psyker visor

[nimble needle]

I'm wearing it until after Christmas

[wanton sandal]

instead of ooh goggles!!

[drowsy fog]

tbh verarch... I wouldnt wear that either lol

[nimble needle]

Needs more Mephiston collars

[tacit stirrup]

what is a "warp attack"

[wanton sandal]

any staff attack or force sword special

[drowsy fog]

staves, force sword charge, brain burst

[wanton sandal]

and bbs of course

[idle panther]

BB too

[drowsy fog]

if it gives you peril its a warp attack

[tacit stirrup]

ah kk didnt realise it was staff attacks too

[wanton sandal]

b-but its so cool...

[idle panther]

anything that involves that flashy greenblue stuff

[tacit stirrup]

is there like a glossary of terms in game

[wanton sandal]

its metal!!

[tacit stirrup]

or is it expected for me to google/ask discord

[versed yoke]

it also is very good in clutch fight with berserkers. Its special kills them without even being hit

[placid glen]

cant take it anymore, 11 times in row trying to kill that fucking monster with 90% dmg, and always some stupid arse does dmg, even after i asking every round if its okay for them yada yada.... -.-

[drowsy fog]

there should be a glossary shouldnt there 🙃

[wanton sandal]

like what

most of the words are made up or 40k lore stuff

[idle panther]

n...no? but there are wikis of warhammer 40k lore that explain the warp

[olive ember]

Don't worry, as a surge staff main I need those goggles to protect my eyes from the "more impactful" VFX

[wanton sandal]

it'll happen, just keep trying sibling

or look in #vox-lfg-nasa

[jovial frigate]

this purg turned out pretty hot

[wise pecan]

malleus monstorum really has to be done in a premade. ideally in a lights out mission

[wanton sandal]

ditto as purg user

[drowsy fog]

yes the lfg channels are great

[wanton sandal]

gonna need the emprah to give me new retinas

[fringe remnant]

yes, if you search a term you'll get results

[drowsy fog]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[tacit stirrup]

no i like the terms in game, coherence, warp attacks, soulblaze, what counts as an elite enemy

that kinda stuff

[wanton sandal]

its terribly easy with a daemonhost and a shield ogryn, but i got mine done vs a beast on the bridge mission with randos

they were really cool about it

[olive ember]

Wonder what will happen if we get damnation penances

[placid glen]

got some ogryns but all now with the mace

[wise pecan]

oh yeah, but that relies on the capricious whims of pugs

[nimble needle]

I just asked every Ogryn that I saw with a shield

[drowsy fog]

just go in a lfg channel and be clear that you're doing malleus, some kind ogryn will hop in to help and a couple psykers who also wanna do it

[wanton sandal]

coherence is explainedi n the tutorial, soulblaze is just burn, and elite is anything u can mark

[olive ember]

maybe the t4 hood will give us our hair back

[tacit stirrup]

is there a place that explains how much damage soulburn does?

[wanton sandal]

psyke, my psyker was thinking so hard that he lost all his hair

[nimble needle]

No, because it's different on different enemies

[olive ember]

its burn stacks, but for psyker, easiest way to test it out is to go into the meat grinder. It doesn't scale linearly iirc

[placid glen]

yeah... i was leveling the others in beta, my psyker was not high enought for malice at teh time...

[long wharf]

burn and soulblaze are two different dots

[olive ember]

There was a spreadsheet somewhere but idr where it is

[long wharf]

they are not the same

[olive ember]

well I didn't say they were teh same I said they were basically burn for psyker 😛

[nimble needle]

Someone tested it and posted on YouTube. I'll try to find it

[wanton sandal]

still dot

[tacit stirrup]

sure i mean like would be nice if i didnt have to look at a spreadsheet to figure out how useful it is in comparison to other things

[olive ember]

but why run the inferior purge when you can burn your own eyes out with the surge

[jaunty atlas]

... i try to teach a vet how to disarm a burster, i kill myself 3 times

[idle panther]

The warp is an alternate reality filled with horrible eldritch abominations and is basically where a lot of the bad guys come from.
Psykers use their abilities to reach into this alternate dimension and shoot out fancy magic stuff which increases their Peril (basically tempting fate)

The Warp is also necessary for FTL travel, a ship has a psyker onboard that will maintain a psychic connection to The Emperor and maintain a sense of reality and envelop the ship in this reality-bubble, preventing the chaotic forces of the warp from totally messing up everyone on board. (which explains the cutscene at the start of the game)

The ship goes into The Warp dimension, has to maintain navigation (via this psychic connection to the emperor) and later emerges in realspace, much further from its entry coordinates

[wanton sandal]

who cares!!! use what you think is fun!!!

[jaunty atlas]

happy shame doesn't kill

[long wharf]

jump into the meat grinder on damnation, and test for yourself

[jovial frigate]

do both

[wanton sandal]

palpatine mode

[wise pecan]

my own isn't quite that sexy, but still pretty good

[leaden pier]

so has anyone found a use for the staff melee?

[wise pecan]

memes

[wanton sandal]

now that's a dame!!!

[tacit stirrup]

also what counts as a carapace armoured enemy

[jovial frigate]

its pretty good for shoving dead bodies around when youre bored

[drowsy fog]

well I've got the important stats anyway

[wanton sandal]

yeah basically memes or just shoving off the one trash that got close

[leaden pier]

i guess it can stagger the normal guys decently

[olive ember]

I still think they should change the staff special to be a ground slam that does some form of AOE effect around where you stand

[wanton sandal]

woo!!!!

[olive ember]

I wanna go "you shall not pass" and then slam my staff into the ground 😦

[idle panther]

yes it's why I still use a voidforce stave

[cyan notch]

mauler head, crusher everywhere, some parts of bulwark

[fierce hazel]

THAT would be cool as shit

[wise pecan]

i would guess it's any time you hit an enemy in the psykanium and it shows up "Carapace Armor" above their heads

[jovial frigate]

voidstrike is #1 but this game wants to give me every other staff at 380 except void

[fierce hazel]

Make it like a 1dmg aoe for tight situations

[idle panther]

yes this

[fierce hazel]

If it hits it can proc BB

[wanton sandal]

im back on my shit, done w/ purg

[olive ember]

crushers run carapace armor, bulwark shields are considered carapace, mauler heads are considered carapace. Not sure if the modifier applies when you hit the armor type or if each enemy is specifically categorized as one or the other

[idle panther]

a recon lasgun is very good at proccing BB but, it is only once every 15s

[wise pecan]

i think voidstrike is definitely good, but not clearly any better than surge/purg (who are in turn also good, but not clearly any better than voidstrike/each other)

[idle panther]

yeah I still use that chainsword with voidstrike. I can't stop using it.

[nimble needle]

https://youtu.be/174C55IOi1s

[wise pecan]

they all serve unique niches

[drowsy fog]

they're good for different things

[wanton sandal]

i love my chainsword

[wanton sandal]

except trauma. trauma sucks

[fierce hazel]

I run An AuToGuN oN mY pSyKeR

[wanton sandal]

erm

[jovial frigate]

what are even good chainsword stats

[drowsy fog]

what do you mean, there is no trauma staff

[leaden pier]

floor stuck?

[wanton sandal]

lmfao

[idle panther]

it's really good against specials, if it's pre-revved it's good for dogs, muties, ragers, assassination targets, and the heavy attacks are quite good for hordes if I'm too pressured or I need melee weeklies

[nimble needle]

Embrace devil's claw

[drowsy fog]

fuckin melee weeklies, at least ally melee kills count

[idle panther]

Devil's Claw has that parry

[jovial frigate]

I hate surge rn because it gives me a headache and purg is starting to feel more like budget surge the more i use it

[idle panther]

I used it to some decent effect against specials but mostly I doge them because I so scare, very fast, wow

[drowsy fog]

I just did a run with devils claw and was pleased, I may just take the pill

[jaunty atlas]

it's a machete

[olive ember]

Trauma has better stagger and CC than void but worse damage, the main problem is its high AF peril. They could just buff peril resistance of trauma staff but that would be boring. I want a lingering effect when you finish the explosion animation, maybe a coruscation staff like dot or even just a gravity field that slows or wte

[jaunty atlas]

you're a jungle psyker

[nimble needle]

I haven't figured out a use for the parry yet, it's just fun

[jaunty atlas]

buy that 2400 jungle weird camo thing

and you're in

[olive ember]

look at these people abandoning the FS for lesser weapons

[jaunty atlas]

well, deflector is quite a crutch

[jovial frigate]

reminded me of this

[idle panther]

maybe Trauma needs to be run with that perk that grants higher damage the more peril you have

[wise pecan]

purg feels like budget surge? how? just in terms of inducing migraines, or in actual effectiveness?

[nimble needle]

Haven't found a deflector yet

[jaunty atlas]

once you grow past it ... you just have a mediocre weapon

[jaunty atlas]

press your buttons harder

[drowsy fog]

dont buy the camo outfit its gross

[nimble needle]

The toilet seat one?

[idle panther]

wow, out of this world

[drowsy fog]

correct

[nimble needle]

Ha. I wanted to buy just the sword skin. Turns out you can't, so I now own the whole thing

[wanton sandal]

fell in to the warprooms

[olive ember]

never got people who say deflector is a crutch (or the people who say shield ogryn is a crutch)

[idle panther]

reminds me of when I joined a random match and spawned in the ground, not once, but on two occasions

[jaunty atlas]

but .. it's soulstones imperium made !

[wanton sandal]

our outfits kinda suck

[jaunty atlas]

it's ... psykery

[olive ember]

if I can block bullets im gonna block bullet skek

[wanton sandal]

the penance ones look better

[drowsy fog]

the fs skin would be so nice if it didnt have the camo

[nimble needle]

Leaf blade hell yeah

[jovial frigate]

dam is ok but control is too linear/static in comparison to surge. like in open rooms purg just feels real bad

[olive ember]

Purge is very good against hordes, which surge isn't

[kindred delta]

facts

[olive ember]

also better at killing in general

[versed yoke]

so trauma is bad? In vermintide 2 same type of staff was great for CC with moderate damage output

[olive ember]

compared to surge

[kindred delta]

the duty outfit looks

[idle panther]

might work well with the first Feat that grants toughness when Quelling

[kindred delta]

so baaaaad

the green is gross

the green on the hood is also gross

[olive ember]

yeah thats what I run

[wanton sandal]

yeah it just kinda sucks and uses a lot of peril for not a lot of usefulness

[kindred delta]

that moment when force sword horde clear like a boss

[wanton sandal]

it staggers pretty well ig

[jovial frigate]

yeah but your melee weapon is also good at clearing hordes so idk

[jovial frigate]

ye u get it

[kindred delta]

I've clutched with nothing but surge staff and force sword

[olive ember]

I mean I run FS + Surge

[wanton sandal]

i reserve melee for single-target weapons

[kindred delta]

everyone else was in rescue state and I fought off a horde alone

[idle panther]

I suppose the "endless horde" bug is something other people have encountered

[kindred delta]

so proud of myself

[ornate hamlet]

Curious on this build. What do some of you experienced players think of it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY5JKmqklcc

[olive ember]

apparently people mentioned that there was a FGS (force greatsword) found somewhere so yeah hope thats good

[idle panther]

happened once to me on a previous ver.

[drowsy fog]

didnt they fix the endless horde bug

[kindred delta]

@idle panther been happening since pre order beta lol

[jaunty atlas]

if trauma was projected on any surface, half the peril and twice the range, i would main that.

every dday

[olive ember]

heresy is always endless horde unless another modifier overrides it

[jovial frigate]

force sword does single target and ok cleave tho, you can run 25% maniac on it and have 1shot capability on all problem mobs and still have ok clear with lights

[wanton sandal]

what the fuck a 11m build video

[olive ember]

its something you basically have to deal with or just play on lesser hordes

[wise pecan]

just a ui bug

[kindred delta]

you can make trauma good if you get a good stat roll

[idle panther]

I think we were on uh... uprising?

[kindred delta]

its fine already

[olive ember]

dunno then

[idle panther]

was a while ago

[wanton sandal]

and they dont even show the full build

in one screen

not watching it sry but if its running purg is pprolly ok

[olive ember]

Also Legacy Gaming I learned from playing Aliens: Fireteam Elite

Their builds are kind abad

[idle panther]

it was hilarious. we managed to win, though

[olive ember]

like they are a good starting point at best, but for the most part they aren't actually that good

[ornate hamlet]

I don't understand.

[idle panther]

it was an endless horde all the way to the assassination target and DURING the final fight

[nimble needle]

If you're running purge, run ascendant blaze

[idle panther]

my buddy got it on youtube

[olive ember]

Alright so, You want to run 1-2-1-1-1/2-2

[jovial frigate]

youtube psyker builds

[fierce hazel]

I chill with purge where all the trash hops in the arena during assassinations and just melt them while my team bullies the target

[olive ember]

Legacy Gaming Builds are trash at worst, alright as starting points at best

they are never the best

[wanton sandal]

i disagree with psykinetic's wrath and kinetic shield in the feats

[idle panther]

legit strategy

[ornate hamlet]

I was thinking that as well.

[wise pecan]

i mean, i wouldn't put on the clown shoes just yet. one of those videos just proved that soulfire stacks are not only affected by damage modifiers, existing ones are retroactively affected

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty much what I had in mind.

[wanton sandal]

i dont think purg benefits terribly from a like 10% boost in damage, peril resist is better to keep using warp, and end-game ranged damage just melts you regardless of damage reduction

[olive ember]

Its not good, damage only affects the direct damage of purge, not the burn

[idle panther]

maybe one day they'll have blessings on Curios that affect class abilities (faster BB for one)

[olive ember]

so you are looking at a 2 damage increase, from like 16 per tick to 18

its actual garbage

[wanton sandal]

yeah. not a great build

[ornate hamlet]

Noted.

[olive ember]

you should basically never run force weapon imo

unless you are running trauma lmao

[ornate hamlet]

What weapon then?

[wanton sandal]

i guess it could be used for breakpoints on FS but like

[wise pecan]

incorrect

[wanton sandal]

its just not useful

[olive ember]

I meant the perk that gives +15% force weapon damage

[wanton sandal]

i think he means the feat

[olive ember]

its trash

[ornate hamlet]

Oh.

[wise pecan]

the damage stat may only affect the direct burn, but things like warp charges and other + damage effects do affect soulblaze stacks

[jovial frigate]

all force sword needs is maniac damage and it's a monster by itself tbh

[wise pecan]

just tested it now

[wanton sandal]

IT is just infinitely better

[wanton sandal]

fax

[olive ember]

nope the damage of psykinetics wrath doesn't affect burn, unless they changed something since I last tried it out

but its useless basically

voidstrike doesn't need the extra damage to kill trash mobs iirc, purge direct damage is abysmal, and surge staff is used for cc. In all three cases peril resist is better

[ornate hamlet]

Going with Blaze once I hit 30.

[wise pecan]

alright yeah psykinetic's wrath doesn't do shit. warp charges do, though, so that's surprising

[wanton sandal]

what staff

[olive ember]

judging by his build a purge staff

[wanton sandal]

how much do warp charges help burn damage?

i'd take overload personally but idk how useful warp charges are to purg

[ornate hamlet]

At 6 stacks, that's 18%

[olive ember]

probably cuz warp charges is just a global +damage modifier, while the feat is specifically for "force weapons" and the burn isn't from the force weapon or some shit? idk but yeah as of now running the +damage is a big L

[wanton sandal]

yeah but whats the damage diff from like 12%

[night marten]

6 stacks is useful for AB, extra peril resist, and extra passive damage

[jovial frigate]

i feel like 6 stack warp charge is a bait feat

[night marten]

I prefer KO as a purge main

[night marten]

eh it's not

[wanton sandal]

oh true i forgot AB applies 4 stacks per charge

yeah that can melt ig

[olive ember]

It really depends, both warp batter and KO are alright, really depends

[night marten]

*KO applies 4 stacks per charge

[tacit stirrup]

does psykinetic's wrath scale linearly between 5% and 15%?

[olive ember]

Warp battery gives better resist, more damage, and also gives AB a 6 stack burn at max which will one shot trash on damnation (4 stacks wont by default).

KO is good for elite killing if you are generating a bunch of stacks but honestly I find the purge kills elites fine as is

[wise pecan]

hmmmm... doing some basic testing, switching from brain burst to my staff increased my soulfire damage by 20%. literally bumped from ~100 damage to 122. iiinteresting

[wanton sandal]

im gonna have to test warp battery's usefulness in meat grinder later

[ornate hamlet]

Howcome Psy Wrath isn't worth it? 5-15% not equate to a lot for the staff and sword?

[olive ember]

oh yeah I mean "one shot" as in it can kill trash mobs by itself with the burn, not that the mobs literally die instantly

[wanton sandal]

peril resist is just a lot more useful

lets you keep doing stuff for longer

[ornate hamlet]

Fair enough.

[wise pecan]

i will note, Ascendant Blaze (contrary to the text) does not require the soulfire to land the killing blow to give you a warp charge. any enemy that dies while afflicted with soulfire will have a chance to grant the charge

[tacit stirrup]

how does peril resistance work

[olive ember]

its more about breakpoints, it won't hit many breakpoints with voidstrike, the purge direct damage is like 16, so 15% of that just means you do 18 damage a tick instead of 16 a tick (the burn is where the purge damage comes from), surge is a CC staff which benefits alot from peril resist to spam cc

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/red-vs-blue-rooster-teeth-caboose-neat-gif-21980309

[wise pecan]

so there might be some use in going Kinetic Overload + Ascendant Blaze

[wanton sandal]

isnt it +3% per charge?

[tacit stirrup]

like say you get 50 peril from an attack, with one warp charge of 6% resist, do you get 47 peril?

[void fable]

Is soulblaze worth having?

[wise pecan]

6%

[wanton sandal]

yeah a lot better than i thought

[wanton sandal]

yeah. also slows gain of peril for charging

[olive ember]

+3% damage, +6% peril resist. so thats 18% damage and 36% peril resist at 6 charges, as opposed to 12% damage and 24% peril resist

[wanton sandal]

and hte peril gained when the attack is used

[wise pecan]

frequently debated, but i'd say if you go into it (purgatus, ascendant blaze, warp battery/kinetic overload) it's worthwhile

it can hold its own

[void fable]

TY

[olive ember]

you can't get soulblaze on purge iirc

[wise pecan]

oh is soulblaze a blessing?

[olive ember]

tho i could be wrong cuz again i'm a surge staff main

[tacit stirrup]

it doesnt add damage i think?

[wise pecan]

warp charges by default add damage

he was just including that in the value calculation

[tacit stirrup]

yeah only a base of 3% though

[wanton sandal]

damage per charge

not the feat itself

[wanton sandal]

might start using bat now

36% peril resist is a lot

[olive ember]

you only run soulblaze while using a purge staff, its not worth it using any other staff

[olive ember]

mbmb soulblaze is the burn thingy I was referring to the blessing "Blazing Spirit"

[tacit stirrup]

ah i see you're comapring 4 warp charges to 6

[wise pecan]

yeah blazing spirit's not worth it

[wanton sandal]

whats crit on purg?

[wise pecan]

purg adds another soulblaze stack on crits

[olive ember]

purge can't get blazing spirit

I believe "meta" traits for purge are

terrifying barrage

and either warp nexus or warp flurry I forget

[wise pecan]

warp nexus is probably better, because more crit on purg = more soulfire stacks faster

[tacit stirrup]

what curio should i be on the look out for

[olive ember]

Really depends on player

typically max health or max toughness on psyker, other classes run +stam but psyker uses peril blocking so we ignore stam

if you want a safety net bringing 1 wound also helps alot

I personally run two max hp + 1 wound

[tacit stirrup]

what does wound do

[wise pecan]

i run 1 max hp, one toughness, one wound, and attrition is basically never a problem if i play smart

[olive ember]

gives you more downs basically
it also segments your healthbar more so a down isn't as punishing

[velvet spear]

i really love getting run 'n gun on a staff every damn time i consecrate it up to legendary

[wanton sandal]

i always run +1 wound

game alway sfinds a way to down you

[tacit stirrup]

cheers

[idle panther]

Good for grims, too

[wise pecan]

your wounds determine how many times you can be downed before you die. if corruption fills a wound, it is useless until healed by medicae (and your max hp is of course reduced by that much)

[olive ember]

For example, on heresy by default you only have two downs and your health is segmented into two bars. When you go down half of your health disappears. With one wound that becomes 3 bars, and when you go down you have 2/3 health instead of 1/2

[wise pecan]

yep yep

[tacit stirrup]

gotcha

[left mirage]

damn

this curio is useless

[olive ember]

here I'll boot up my game and see if I can show my curios

[idle panther]

Guess im never doing grims on heresy+

[olive ember]

no real reason to run grims past uprising tbh

[cyan notch]

grims only give u dockets anyway

[tacit stirrup]

what is considered a specialist

[idle panther]

Im just doin them for weeklies

[olive ember]

even on malice getting pubs that have two grims suck

cuz you go from ez breezy run to "holy shit I have no health left is that a sniper?"

[idle panther]

Any taggable enemy?

[wanton sandal]

uhh like disablers and ogryns i think

and bombers

?

[olive ember]

disablers

[tacit stirrup]

i thought those were elites

[wise pecan]

i believe specialists are:
-Flamers (tox and Scab)
-Hounds
-trapper
-bomber
-mutant
-sniper

[idle panther]

Are doggies specialists?

[olive ember]

so snipers, bombers, flamers, dogs, ogryns , mutant, etc. etc.

yes

dogs are specialist

[idle panther]

Oooh whoos a special doggie

[olive ember]

elites are: maulers, ragers, gunners, shotgunners

[wise pecan]

elites are ragers, gunners, shotgunners, and ogryns

and maulers

[olive ember]

ogryns aren't elites iirc

[wise pecan]

the fuck are ogryns then?

[olive ember]

they are considered "terrors" which fall under specials

[wise pecan]

oooooh

[olive ember]

atleast according to some random wiki I found

[idle panther]

Reapers n crushers

[wise pecan]

i was wondering what the fuck a terror was

thought they were just the basic bitch pox walkers

[wise pecan]

smh forgetting bulwarks

[wanton sandal]

makes sense ig

elites are still melee/ranged, specialists are not any of that

[tacit stirrup]

and then the modifier percentages i assume just tells me how high of a dice roll the stat is?

[olive ember]

yep

press V

[tacit stirrup]

yeah i know

[olive ember]

it will show you the min and max stats as well as current rolls

it doesn't scale linearly iirc

[tacit stirrup]

just double checking it wasnt like an additional modifier or something

[olive ember]

so the difference from 40 to 50 should be more significant than 50 - 60

iirc someone mentioned that the difference between 80% (actual max) - 100% (theoretical max) quell speed on staff was like .6 of a second

but that was also a while ago

[tacit stirrup]

ah yeah you're right

36% represents 22% lol

[bleak summit]

Hello Siblings, quick question. What are your thoughts on melee weapons other than force swords? I'm looking for something that can manage horde clear if possible. I was thinking Chain Sword but I was curious what the consensus is.

[idle panther]

I humbly request the ability to jam mats into bars to fill them up

[wanton sandal]

chainsword has a good heavy moveset for horde clear

that or devil sword

[olive ember]

run devilclaw (if you are unenlightened) or run an antax V axe

[idle panther]

Personal favorite is chainsword

[olive ember]

oh you need good traits for both tho

[bleak summit]

And what would those traits be exactly?

[olive ember]

not sure what the trait is for devil claw but antax you want brutal momentum

[bleak summit]

Gotcha gotcha

[olive ember]

sorry

mistyped

[idle panther]

Devil claw is okay against hordes but chainsword alt attack very good for specialists and elites

[olive ember]

brutal momentum

[olive ember]

I'd just run a FS at that point tbh

for the special

basically get an axe with brutal momentum and good damage

[idle panther]

FS moveset makes hordes a bit of a struggle

[olive ember]

spam shove attack, use peril blocking

profit

[bleak summit]

Yeah, I've got a decent FS that I can bring out for specialists. But it'd be nice to have something for passive quell.

[idle panther]

But yeah, FS is good for block builds

[wanton sandal]

yeah but the CS heavy moveset is more horde clear than the FS

and gives non-warp autoquell

[jaunty atlas]

can i do better than 4% crit my peeps ?

[olive ember]

Tbh I don't find the non-warp quelling speed that useful unless I'm specifically getting swarmed to shit or I'm tanking a daemonhost

not even actually, if I'm getting swarmed to shit spamming push on the FS does wonders

[wanton sandal]

i'd settle and upgrade to orange before anything else

[jaunty atlas]

nah

[wanton sandal]

fair nuff

[idle panther]

Does autoquell proc the first trait that grants toughness for every 5% quelled?

[olive ember]

yes

thats the main reason why you run quietude

[bleak summit]

Yeah, that's why I've been thinking this

[tacit stirrup]

what does surpress do

[olive ember]

makes shooters hide

[wise pecan]

the non-FS meta is brutal momentum antax mk v with peril blocking

[wise pecan]

also staggers melee

[idle panther]

I figured your special ability would also give you a chunk of toughness back since it quells 50%, flat

[jaunty atlas]

it make them cower

[olive ember]

I forget what second trait you want on axe. Before people thought you wanted brutal momentum + decimator. But turns out decimator resets when you stop the chain, which is useless since psyker axe meta revolves around push attack spam

[jaunty atlas]

they cannot shoot or anything

[tacit stirrup]

gotcha

see like i wish the game would explain that somewhere lol

[idle panther]

They do

[wanton sandal]

i wish

[idle panther]

In the tutorial

In the psykhanium

[grave bobcat]

One of the actual things explained on the very first tutorial lol

[wanton sandal]

which is mandatory btw

[bleak summit]

Kinda related. But is there any reason to not run Peril Block? I kinda like the idea of Kinetic Shield but I haven't used it that much.

[tacit stirrup]

ah guess i missed it with everythign else it was telling me

[grave bobcat]

Funny

[olive ember]

Nope

until they nerf it into the groudn that is

cuz anti-fun

[wanton sandal]

meh... the mind in motion is fun to just move fast, but thats it

[grave bobcat]

I use kinetic shield over peril block cause I don’t use FS

[jaunty atlas]

you can gain more ! 1% yee

[idle panther]

I use mind in motion constantly, but im stupid

[wanton sandal]

kinetic shield falls off pretty bad at heresy where everything shreds you

[left mirage]

you're missing out, peril block + antax mk5 lets me tank everything

[olive ember]

mind in motion is good for newer psykers who don't rly know when to quell but once you start going up in difficulty peril blocking is just so much better

[left mirage]

except guns obvs

[olive ember]

Kinetic shield is useless and literally worse than mind in motion

[jaunty atlas]

yeah .. except you can rez a guy better than an ogryn

[olive ember]

On damnation 2 shots will destroy toughness (assuming you are running base toughness)

33% toughness means you can take 3 shots instead of 2 before you eat it

[grave bobcat]

Antax is boring af anyway to use lol

[left mirage]

so what do you use anywya

fs?

[bleak summit]

Lol that's only at max warp charge tho.

[olive ember]

I personally use FS + Surge

which is pretty meta I'd say

though ik alot of surge users run antax axe

[grave bobcat]

There are always enough enemies to keep warps at 4 with flayer on damnation

[olive ember]

for better horde clearing

[grave bobcat]

So that’s not a problem anyways

[left mirage]

ye, though fs can push spam to control hordes, kinda

[wise pecan]

additional discovery regarding soulblaze: your currently equipped weapon's perks apply to the DoT, regardless of its source

[grave bobcat]

And I think I have 160 toughness? I’d have to check

[bleak summit]

@grave bobcat Do you just run chain sword then? Since you don't use axe or fs?

[grave bobcat]

I’ve just been running every melee wep to try them all out

[jaunty atlas]

4A is sadly so much better

[tacit stirrup]

ah its actually in the advanced tutorial

[grave bobcat]

I do really like the chains word though

[olive ember]

Oh yeah also don't ever run grimoire resist, you want max hp instead since grimoire's only take a set amount of hp

[grave bobcat]

Dagger -> Chainsword -> FS

[olive ember]

and having more hp is just useful in general

daggers are.... not good

[left mirage]

dueling sword is probably the only other weapon apart from fs / axe id use

[grave bobcat]

I’d say is my preference

[olive ember]

especially after the nerf

but some people still run em

[wary grove]

Regarding the warp absorption feat what attacks count as warp attacks? If anyone knows

[left mirage]

daggers are only good on zeal imo

chainsword is kinda just a worse fs

[olive ember]

not even, they fixed a glitch which made them good

[wanton sandal]

mobility

[bleak summit]

INteresting, I'll have to look at daggers too.

[olive ember]

tacaxe is better now

for zealot

[left mirage]

lmao wtf, what'd they do

[grave bobcat]

They’re fun af

[river sand]

all staff attack that are not the melee special, and FS special

and bb of course

[olive ember]

there was a glitch that allowed the dagger bleed to also count as a "non weakspot hit" so once an enemy started bleeding they would stack up to max bleed stacks by themselves and the bleed would never fall off

[left mirage]

was that fixed fairly recently?

[olive ember]

its what made dagger crit builds rly good, but its been fixed and now you kinda just run tacaxe on crit zealot iirc

a bit while back

[left mirage]

yeah idk, played zeal with dagger even after the fix and its still good

though tac axe does feel nicer

but i would not touch either weapon off of zeal

[wary grove]

Thanks a ton

[olive ember]

the damage just isn't there for horde clearing sadly so I wouldn't run it past like malice

tho tbh I don't rly like any of the zealot melee weapons in general XD

[left mirage]

yeah the dot taking really long to ramp up sucks

[olive ember]

which bums me out rip

[left mirage]

but then again, that's what the flamer's for

[olive ember]

yeye

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/KS0bX9HJ4GCJF/d1337WHwKHnJ?invite=cr-MSwzTDcsNDg2MDU3NTUs

but yeah

bleed knifes aren't that good on zealot anymore rip, much less psykers who have access to the dueling sword

this is even more so after they got rid of the move tech on both knives and dueling sword iirc

[left mirage]

sadge

[olive ember]

mobility is still good in general but basically don't expect it to actually do anything once you are in a do or die situation

[tacit stirrup]

i will assume theres no server browser?

[olive ember]

Nope, you either go random public matchmaking or private matchmaking

[last hull]

can someone help with malleus monstronum pennece please

[olive ember]

no solo either iirc, if you run private match solo I believe it "opens the lobby" after x minutes or wte

also +20% health is 30% hp for psyker btw, with 2 max hp + a wound you can get 210% hp, which is rly rly nice against scratch damage you take

[vital bough]

Don't know if anybody has reported this yet but the 100% peril bug seems to be fixed. I don't get locked out of quelling.

[cyan notch]

no its still there

you have to hit 100% twice really quick

[viscid matrix]

Can someone who hasn’t gotten the solo brain burst monstrosity kill yet, test something for me?

Does the shield on assassination targets count as hp for the achievement or is it just the hp you have to bb?

[vital bough]

I'm doing that tho, works for me without the bug.

[tacit stirrup]

what do the different colours of ammo mean

[static mango]

How warm they are

[viscid matrix]

% that they have

White is above 75%

Yelllow is around 50%

Orange is less than 25%

Red is 0

[cyan notch]

doesnt work for me and doesnt make sense that it would randomly fix itself without any client patch

[grave bobcat]

Haven’t had chance to play yeg but it was still fucked like 5 hrs ago

[vital bough]

Testing in the Pyskanium with BB, toggling at 100%.

I swapped my weapon and now it's doing the same thing, locking me out of peril again.

I have no fucking clue.

I got excited for a sec :/

[tacit stirrup]

is there a point to killing demon hosts

[cyan notch]

well yea they havent fixed anything there hasnt been a patch

[fringe remnant]

monstrosity contract

[viscid matrix]

Nope, just monstrosity kill

[fringe remnant]

sometimes they block resource pickups

[tacit stirrup]

also do ya'll play with player outlines on or off

[grave bobcat]

Hope they get around to that soonish tbh

[drowsy fog]

off, I turned it on once and it made the mourningstar incredibly bright for some reason

[cyan notch]

off

[drowsy fog]

oh cal

[cyan notch]

the skeleton xray is good enough

[drowsy fog]

I have something for you

[viscid matrix]

Outlines?

[grave bobcat]

I turned it off again once I got annoyed with the outline visually blocking things

[viscid matrix]

Ohh, I just use the heart X-ray that we can see

[grave bobcat]

I saw your @ when I woke up I forgot to reply mbad lol

[tacit stirrup]

how does the heart xray work

[grave bobcat]

Go on

[wanton sandal]

intro cinematic???

i needed this

[drowsy fog]

instead of melee only, staff bonks only

[grave bobcat]

Lmfao

[cyan notch]

instead of player outlines its player inlines

[grave bobcat]

Yeah have still never hit something with that

[cyan notch]

its the same thing except less obtrusive

[grave bobcat]

How much dmg does it even do

[viscid matrix]

Same thing, just a circulatory system and ribs moving around by itself

[tacit stirrup]

they seem to turn on randomly though?

[drowsy fog]

I have staff bonked one poxwalker that I turned around and it was in my face, thats it

[viscid matrix]

It only shows when you can’t see them

[tacit stirrup]

?

[viscid matrix]

When a wall is in the way or mobs are body blocking you

[grave bobcat]

Does the bonk even do any dmg lol

[viscid matrix]

Hmm, I’ve never noticed it outside of being blocked from view

[vital bough]

[grave bobcat]

Lmfao

Check it on the surge staff for me

I don’t think it will list it properly though

Please

[cyan notch]

its the same

[grave bobcat]

Not at PC or if do it myself lol

Figured

Surge would be the… “best” staff for it

[drowsy fog]

yes

[cyan notch]

why they all do the same damage

[grave bobcat]

Tbh I would attempt to if the damage was remotely viable

Surge has crit bonus

[drowsy fog]

cuz they dont expect you to push that button lol

[cyan notch]

doesnt apply to melee

[grave bobcat]

I’ll be checking that later

Lol

[drowsy fog]

+3 stam curio in the shop, if only stamina mattered on psyker

[feral crater]

It does matter! It saves you 2 seconds in a speedrun 😛

[drowsy fog]

woah-ho thats incredible

[tacit stirrup]

do we all share the same shop?

or just random every hour

[drowsy fog]

random

[cyan notch]

no and yes

[viscid matrix]

Can someone who hasn’t gotten the solo brain burst monstrosity kill yet, test something for me?

Does the shield on assassination targets count as hp for the penance or is it just the hp you have to bb?

[wanton sandal]

why in god-emperors name would you want to solo the assassination boss

[viscid matrix]

It has the least hp if the shield doesn’t count

[pine iris]

trying 40k imagery in stable diffusion 2 (AI art tool)

[wanton sandal]

yeah but he cant be trained aronud

like a beast or ogryn

wish quell was higher

im stupid i already have a 356

[viscid matrix]

The melee is easy to dodge tho

If he doesn’t use melee you gotta force him to swap back and you don’t get caught in the aoe toughness shred

[tacit stirrup]

what is impact

[grave bobcat]

I don’t think it would be doable without becoming just a BB spam bot tho

[wanton sandal]

yeah, but he constantly spawns hordes, meanwhile soloing a monstrosity you maybe get 1-2 depending on your speed

[grave bobcat]

Well doable being I at least contributed to the mission lol

[wanton sandal]

it's just a harder way of doing it

but he does count as a monstrosity for the purpose of contracts, so i think you could

[tacit stirrup]

and is there a reason to >not< barter my old items away

[wanton sandal]

nostalgia. not really, just sell them once you upgrade

[viscid matrix]

Only if the shield counts for bb solo kill, otherwise it’s just 2 or 3bb for every shield drop,

[wanton sandal]

unless u want to switch builds every now and then

[grave bobcat]

Me

[tacit stirrup]

and i assume i should only consecrate items once i've got a high roll on them

[wanton sandal]

ideally

[viscid matrix]

If the shield doesn’t count for the solo bb kill, everyone can remove the shield then you do 10 seconds at most of bb then it’s back to the shield again

[tacit stirrup]

is there a list of all the different possible refinement perks

[grave bobcat]

High roll on the stats you wanna prioritise rather than the overall stats roll number

[tacit stirrup]

explain

[drowsy fog]

before it said barter item it said discard and I was searching high and low for a way to get something out of old gear, gave up, discarded and got money like "oh"

[feral crater]

I will wait and see what they do with the crafting 100% before I sell stuff. Coz if removing blessings works like I expect, I will definitely want all of them as material;s

[grave bobcat]

Like I have a dagger which is 320 roll which is petty low

[tacit stirrup]

is that the "rating"

or what

when i say roll i mean modifier %

[viscid matrix]

Check out the gear on the builds editor
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/

[drowsy fog]

I just buy anything 350+ and swap out duplicates if I get one thats higher

[grave bobcat]

But it’s my best dagger because it’s mobility is 26% or something stupid low but all the other stats are good because of it

[tacit stirrup]

okay one last question, are penances used for anything or just unlocks and bragging rights

[jaunty atlas]

siblings, question. quite alarming one actually : 5B pulls a daemon if it procs and it's the elite in immediate rpoximity ? (it does it when it's awake i think)

[viscid matrix]

Unlocks, no bragging rights, they are not incredibly difficult