psyker-class

[stone gate]

What a disspointing feeling, just did a heresy run as a lv 30 psyker with three other sharpshooters. For the whole match felt myself completely useless as the three sharpshooters killed everything on sight

[steel flame]

You'll run into a shield ogryn eventually. Most of the time they will say yes if you ask

[shut thorn]

@bleak tulip It's official

content/fx/particles/weapons/bfg_staff/psyker_bfg_projectile_01

BFG staff

😎 😎 😎 😎

[steel flame]

What build were you using

[shut thorn]

Void is CONFIRMED factually in code to be the best

There is 0 argument

[ebon jolt]

This look decent enough to upgrade?

[echo parrot]

69

[ebon jolt]

Blessing is pretty underwhelming but perk and stats look good.

[dense hornet]

Hah i felt the same everytime! Also psykers have the quell bug which making brain burst much slower then earlier.. My friend and my brother : zealot, sharpshooter, ogryn they done lots of penance except me... i cant kill monster/elite/special, because everytime when i saw them they already dead.

[echo parrot]

nice

[cyan notch]

that one guy who swears hes doing massive dps

[steel flame]

Lol

[supple skiff]

someone should tell em

[echo parrot]

DPS is measured by the amount of bloom on screen

[steel flame]

He's not doing dps without them headshots

[echo parrot]

Obviously

[dense hornet]

In my experience mostly they say yes, but always 1 player not answering and he/she just kill the boss which i said i needed to kill alone for penance. :/

Always 1 player never listen...

[supple skiff]

room temp iq is pub norm

[echo parrot]

Again try the lfg channels

[random wolf]

Why tho. Just pull out your FS and nuke it lmao

2 and its done

[supple skiff]

^ hell the left click would do more

[steel flame]

Exactly.

[dense hornet]

Which one of lfg?

[supple skiff]

uncharged rmb on void hits like a wet napkin

[shut thorn]

This is a saboteur trying to defame BFG staff

[cyan notch]

this was just malice anyway they die pretty quick

[random wolf]

I smile when I see Ragers and Maulers or crushers as a Psyker

[echo parrot]

Whichever one matches your region/platform

[random wolf]

It's time to charge the Force Sword

[stone gate]

Does that mean I'm powerful? (image taken when the game froze and crashed for all)

[random wolf]

No it means you opened a portal to the warp and your party is dead.

[echo parrot]

Unlimited power

[supple skiff]

yours is the brain that burst my friend

[shut thorn]

BFG staff > literally anything else

😎

[steel flame]

Hehe headshot dead. First time I did a fs special into a mutant head I almost puked when my screen was violently shaken

[supple skiff]

PSA: Void is no longer called void

henceforth BFG

[shut thorn]

BFG staff explosion stagger data

Fucking bot

[steel flame]

Man if only Sienna had the void staff in vermintide. Only thing holding fireball back was the arc

[shut thorn]

suppression_falloff = true,
instant_aggro = true,
distance = 5,
suppression_value = 5

Tl'dr terrifying barrage kinda pointless

Lol

If you're getting shot at by ranged just fire an explosion near their feet

[random wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1053086951726661632/image.png

As soon as I can goddamn swap it out

[cyan notch]

Soon™️ 2024

[shut thorn]

p1 is trauma(?) p2 is purg, p3 is surge, p4 is surge(???)

[ebon jolt]

Weird. Didn't know light attack did more damage than heavy attack to maniacs with the Mk 5 combat axe.

[prisma minnow]

as someone who primarily uses surge and wants to mix it up with void from time to time, whats the best way to deal with elites when running void?

[cyan notch]

force sword em

[sonic basin]

Spam void strike to stun lock an elite

[steel flame]

Fs is always the answer

[shut thorn]

Either I missed it none of these are void

[steel flame]

Mutant? Force sword. Rager? Force sword, reaper? Force sword. Sniper on the other side of the map? Dam right you'll run all the way over and Force sword em.

[sonic basin]

What if I'm on 100% peril?

[prisma minnow]

lol

[jaunty moth]

fs it and die a boss

[prisma minnow]

i mean i also run the t5 faster brain bb talent as well so theres that

[shut thorn]

:/

Don't seem to have differences

Nvm

Mk 3 vs mk 1

ingame is mk 2

ima check diffs

Wait what

mk 1 has ranged blocking by default

mk3 seems to have a parry

[steel flame]

That sounds like a hook for deflector

[shut thorn]

mk1 has 4 attack combo w/ cleave at end it seems

[shut thorn]

it's not deflector

[steel flame]

Maybe it used to have ranged block by default and they changed it to blessing

[shut thorn]

No.

Whereas mk2 has that stab, mk3 will have a left side attack aka the clave

In the light combo

[prisma minnow]

what are the good perks for Void staff?

[shut thorn]

quell peril

So Mk2 attacks (light combo):
Linesman,
Ninja Fencer,
Ninja Fencer,
Ninja Fencer
Mk3:
Smiter,
Ninja Fencer,
Ninja Fencer,
Smiter

Cba finding out which specific attack names those actually are

All force swords have the same special

Damage for "Ninja fencer" attack type

Smiter*

Mk3 seems to also have "hit stop" instead of "hit shield" on it's attacks vs bulwark shield and other such armor

[cyan notch]

ninja fencer is assassin

smiter is strikedown

[shut thorn]

👀

[shut thorn]

ty

[echo parrot]

When the Darktide community is so starved for info from Fatshark that they dive into the game and take their info for themselves.

[shut thorn]

so mk3 light chain is literally strikedown - > assassin 2x - > strikedown

What's linesman @cyan notch

It's the first attack of mk2 force sword

[cyan notch]

i think relentless

linesman meant "decent cleave" in vt2

[shut thorn]

Okay now I am confused???

Despite protectorate stuff in other files saying it overrides F key

The forcefield dome replacs our brainburst?

input = "grenade_ability_pressed"

[tranquil fiber]

Telekine Dome - Bullets bounce off of thin air and are deflected alarmingly towards friendly forces as the psyker erects a barrier of shimmering psychic energy about himself.

source: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Psyker

[ebon jolt]

Holy crap. I didn't know you could one shot a mutant with the FS:

[shut thorn]

"kind = "place_force_field","

So it seems you place down the force field

[tranquil fiber]

yeah

probably a wall

[shut thorn]

It's a sphere/dome

brainburst is staying

[tranquil fiber]

ultimately they will be testing things

[shut thorn]

So it seems you hold F to set it down

[tranquil fiber]

some things may not even make it to us

[shut thorn]

There's a lot of files for protectorate

[sharp ibex]

Ah yes the Kine shield

[shut thorn]

It's the most fleshed out non default archetype

[tranquil fiber]

iirc there were talks of adding in a new class in January

so its likely that this could be masked as Psyker

but really come in as another class

[violet fossil]

fucking

run and gun

thank u game thats what i wanted on this

[sharp ibex]

Let us have another staff that allows us to rip a hole in the warp and fire Psychneuein at people

NOT THE BEES

[shut thorn]

Weird that another class uses lightning so much

[tranquil fiber]

lots of different "classes" in the 40k universe

[sharp ibex]

You could even have some sort of disgraced Enforcer

Or a gun for hire

[shut thorn]

Granted the zealot ones do too but, that's because zealot is literally just a modiied psyker

[sharp ibex]

Basically everything in an inquisitorial retinue

[shut thorn]

Gonna check what it looks like

content/characters/player/human/attachments_combat/psyker_shield/shield_visual

Isn't streamed

OH

my

god

[supple skiff]

sometimes you need to 2 hand the heresy out the window

[tranquil fiber]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Biomancy

[shut thorn]

they're using a chain sword as the base for it

local chain_sword_sweep_box = {
0.05,
0.05,
1.1
}

[sharp ibex]

2h Force Claymore

[shut thorn]

our current class is biomancer

fyi

[shut thorn]

This file is extremely empty

But it means they tried it

At some point

It uses some variables from chain sword

[supple skiff]

I read somewhere that a lot of the names for abilities and feats forpsykinetic were related to souls

[shut thorn]

yes

[supple skiff]

really hope that means we're getting a dedicated telekin class as some point, but I wont hold my breathe

[shut thorn]

Our warp charges are souls

[shut thorn]

No, our current class is literally just biomancer

Renamed

[tranquil fiber]

I see

so we are treating Biomancer as generic Psyker

[shut thorn]

Grenade slot replacements

Chain lightning = protectorate
Smite = psykinetic
Knives = gunslinger

Smite is bb

[sour coral]

I thought in the last patch they said the force sword had an explosive radius but I cant see any effect when testing. What am I missing? Also I read there was a bug that everyone is thinking is intentional nerf not included in patch notes but not sure what that bug is. I asked in reddit during the conversation but no one clarified. I had surgery on my eye and missed some information it seems.

[supple skiff]

mfw psykinetic uses the same powers as the grey knights in a previous build

[shut thorn]

damage_profile = DamageProfileTemplates.psyker_protectorate_chain_lighting_fast,

Proof

[supple skiff]

visual change only

[tranquil fiber]

So our Psykers have Telepathy, Biomancy, Pyromancy but no Telekinesis

unless BB is part of that

[shut thorn]

So it seems you can quickly zap the chain lightning or charge it up

[sour coral]

So it was supposed to do damage along with the visual or not?

[shut thorn]

Guys

I think I'm gonna run protectorate when it comes out lol

[supple skiff]

single target damage

[shut thorn]

BB as main and u have zappy hands as g

[supple skiff]

be better than the diet force push we have now

[tranquil fiber]

well its a new class or sub class every quaterly

[shut thorn]

DamageProfileTemplates.psyker_protectorate_chain_lighting_fast
ProjectileTemplates.psyker_gunslinger_throwing_knives

Three archetypes:
Pskyinetic: G Brainburst, F Quell screech
Protectorate: G Chain Lightning, F Force dome
Gunslinger: G Throwing Knives, F High Noon

[supple skiff]

force dome sounds like the type of thing that is going to scale like ass on higher difficulties lmao

[shut thorn]

It seems to only be a reduction of 10% dmg but it might be 10% dmg reduction AND the dome

I cba digging further today

[supple skiff]

so far inquisitor martyr has the better psyker interpretation and I have to say thats disappointing

[steel flame]

I dunno, force immolating the entire map on a button press sounds pretty good to me

[summer surge]

@shut thorn ty sir ur doin the emperor's work wrong person at first lol

[violet fossil]

[shut thorn]

Gunslinger ability found

[sonic aspen]

you telling me I can run double surge with the new class?

[shut thorn]

Guys it's literally mccree from that shit game

[tranquil fiber]

[shut thorn]

It's literally mccree

[tranquil fiber]

pain

[shut thorn]

I mean it's cool

Would piss off vets

[lucid mortar]

All of this is telling me to just stop playing until they're done with this stuff lol. Sounds way more fun than what's available now

[shut thorn]

So that's a +

[sonic aspen]

that would explain the revolver start in the closed beta for psyker

[shut thorn]

Gunslinger sounds really cool

Also the invisibility is for zealot

[ornate hamlet]

why is everyone talking about new subclasses

as if they wont be out in like 3 years

[tranquil fiber]

What kind of content do they have planned for us to need a dome force field and invisibility?

[shut thorn]

Well, the assassination targets can apparently

Throw grenades

It's just not used (yet)

[ornate hamlet]

invis for dope as 3 piece rez's

[tranquil fiber]

its gonna start a whole speedrun gang mentality xD

[shut thorn]

There's also a 'psyker stance' ability

[tranquil fiber]

I'm not against it im just perplexed with the design insentive

[shut thorn]

That has to do with dmg reduction and sprinting?

[tranquil fiber]

apart from "fun"

[shut thorn]

It seems to be a charge

Hold on, Maybe protectorate literally charges stuff and drops down a dome after?

Nah

Wouldn't make sense

One ability for zealot is a "targeted dash"

[remote tusk]

Hm. Other 40k games have had telekine dome.
Stand still and channel to make a force shield around an area

[tranquil fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/shield-halo-gif-24427723

[shut thorn]

Yeah the dome requires you to charge it up

Could one off the zealot subclasses

Be an assassin?

It has a cloak ability

[ornate hamlet]

🥲

[tranquil fiber]

seems likely to add a "rogue" 40k variant in the game

[remote tusk]

Death cult assassin makes sense. They are zealots and have been used in other inquisition rpgs

[tranquil fiber]

rogue, space cowboy, space wizard, space priest

[shut thorn]

Also vet has a squad leader one

That heavily reducese incoming dmg

[glad tulip]

Up it, shits perfect.

[shut thorn]

And also increases dmg dealt to enemies

[tranquil fiber]

I guessing like a Rally effect?

[shut thorn]

Ogryn is just reverse dwarf

Gets a minigun

Or something

[tranquil fiber]

Ally Reaper?

[shut thorn]

It says "Gun lugger"

[glad tulip]

Heavy bolter when?

[tranquil fiber]

tbh a Melee focused Ogryn would be decent

[shut thorn]

funny you say that, look what I just found

[glad tulip]

Just take club and use special to bitchslap heretics with the back of your hand

[shut thorn]

Though I'm pretty sure, this is the one ingame

Nah it ain't

[idle bay]

5th Class - Sevitor 🙂

[shut thorn]

It's diff from current

[shut thorn]

5th class: doesn't exist lmao

[solid stratus]

can i play as a servo skull

[clear heath]

Do you guys think it would help if i wore sunglasses while playing surge?

[remote tusk]

Ogryn gun luggers are a thing in the lore

[idle bay]

There should be. For harmony 🙂

[shut thorn]

Yes

😎

[tranquil fiber]

I found using Nvidia Game Filters helped; by toning down the emitted colours.

[idle bay]

Embrace the VFX, train your mind to ignore it 🙂

[violet fossil]

late to ask but do you have the subclasses for the other classes too?

[remote tusk]

On ogryn gunluggers: "the expenditure of all their ammunition or the occasional weapon jam is a frequent cause of wildly destructive tantrums among these trigger-happy brutes, and many choose to vent their savage rage by charging headlong into the enemy's ranks and bashing their adversaries to bits with the offending weapon." Lol

[shut thorn]

Digging, for vet there's only current and "squad leader"
Zealot seems to have current as 'maniac' and then some weird abilities including targeted dashing and cloaking
Ogryn seems to have gun lugger, some melee stance thing and current

[summer prairie]

you can find datamined classes info on reddit

[violet fossil]

ty for the info!

[shut thorn]

It didn't dig enough

Veteran LIKELY?? has a shocktrooper

Because there are krak grenades

There's also fire grenades and shock grenades

Shock grenade is on zealot

But fire and krak aren't on either

There also seems to be a regular ogryn grenade, instead of the box

So likely third one for ogryn is one w/ a bone'ead implant

The targeted dash on zealot might be in reference to something like repentia but I'm not sure

[warped perch]

So more subclasses are going to be a thing?

[remote tusk]

Doesnt one of the ogryn character voices claim to have the boneead implant?

[shut thorn]

Well, they're called archetypes

And then Archetype specializations

That reminds me I should check for ogryn anims

[violet fossil]

honestly targeted dash is probably just what zealot has now. if you dash at an enemy, you get increased distance and it locks on

[shut thorn]

Syringe?

I've seen a lot of references to a 'corruption syringe'

Aite

Third ogryn heals people lmao

What

Ah wait no

Regular hummans have that too

I guess it's a pickup that's not ingame yet

[shut thorn]

No, it's not

[tender terrace]

ogryn uses your dead body as a weapon and throws it into a horde to knock them over

[remote tusk]

Kinda sounds like stimms

[shut thorn]

Targeted dash and "zealot shout" (current) are not the same

[violet fossil]

ahh

[remote tusk]

Dark Heresy inquisition rpg heavily relied on injecting stim syringes to keep wounded people fighting

[shut thorn]

Thinking of it

I know what third vet spec is I think

Consider the following: There are special krieg animations

[remote tusk]

Syringes might be inspired by that?

[idle bay]

I know what new Psyker class will be! It will be called ~~NERFED ~~ "Dampened" - he will have no powers avalibale and will have some weapon realted ~~nerfs ~~bonuses to actually start using all those gun store and "gifts" shits on psykers.

[shut thorn]

I already posted the 3 I've found

Protectorate (paladin or smth)
Gunslinger (cowboy from that game)
Psykinetic (biomancer in files) aka current

Protectorate will prob be very liked

Solely because zappy hands is g

[fair axle]

Wait

WAAAIT

What that was an old reply thing

[shut thorn]

Busted!

[night marten]

Gunker

[shut thorn]

Gunker gets funny knives

And cowboy aimbot mode

[night marten]

Youre kidding

[fair axle]

in any case, it'd be nice if we got an actual totally not magic class be... paladin

[shut thorn]

Not sure if it's 'aimbot' but it tags every enemy in proximity

[night marten]

Wow

[fair axle]

instead of the I'm not a magic class, be magic class like V2

Not sure if we'll get Gunslingers tho

[shut thorn]

Psyker specs are far more coded than anything else

There's also debug testing stuff for

A 2h

Force sword

Using chainsword sweep hitbox

[lucid terrace]

AWOOGA

[shut thorn]

Might be cut

[lucid terrace]

Oh

[supple skiff]

id like to know who on the dev team heard psyber and said " oh I know, throwing knives"

[fair axle]

But 2H was in the build before pre-order beta to my knowledge

[shut thorn]

Cuz lore

There's a lot of stories abt psykers who use knives

That they control

[fair axle]

I mean.. They show us wearing it in the damn promotional stuff

[shut thorn]

You know, the few psykers that can actually go against blanks

[remote tusk]

telekinetic knives from the eisenhorn novels

[fair axle]

I personally think they just kept it back to have "live service" stuff to release..

Similarly to how the "magically" conjured another ogryn weapon out of nowhere

and zealot

[shut thorn]

No, the sanctified insignia is in the game

As a prem store skin

For FS

😭

[remote tusk]

lol

this is a really good early access game

[shut thorn]

dataminers knew abt power maul

[flint plover]

personally, i'm 100% sure this is the case. They're gonna drip feed us the crafting system as if it were content. same with the reroll system for the shop

[shut thorn]

Also out of all the G slot replacements, krak grenade, fire grenade and the disco grenade are 100% functional

[primal aurora]

and I'm off back to warframe

[fair axle]

Yes, but I still think it's all been ready well before release.. Just think they needed something to "drip feed" us as if they were working on content..

[shut thorn]

There's still one more force sword insignia

[flint plover]

yeah, that's what I meant, sorry

[shut thorn]

that isn't anywhere in game

That looks like a 2h

Also

Void staff is called BFG in the files

😎

[fair axle]

"content".. Not sure I'd go so far as to call the crafting that.. If this is what they came up with after scrapping the initial.. I don't even want to know what they had planned originally....

[shut thorn]

(There are references to a "laser BFG" too, probably krieg rifle tho)

[fair axle]

Beam Staaaaff

incoming

[shut thorn]

It's not a staff

Also lmao

There are three marks

Of trauma staff

And two of purg

I for some reason cannot find void staff's marks

[fair axle]

^ drip feeding as if they are making new stuff

[shut thorn]

Instead there's a second surge as a "new weapon"(??)

[flint plover]

it's not unusual to release QoL stuff later down the lineeven tho it was available at release

[fair axle]

I would just like.. The current stuff to actually work proper.. Including blessings

Before we start looking into new stuff that then also needs fixing

No Shade rework repeat, thank you very much.. Tried that, ruined the "character" entirely.

[shut thorn]

Oh yeah abt that

Psyker isn't sienna

We're the elf

[fair axle]

My ass we're the elf

[shut thorn]

We are the elf.

Let me find it

[fair axle]

I mean, sounds to me like they just gave it nicknames really

We're literally Sienna 2.0

[flint plover]

should I replace either of those perks?

[shut thorn]

shade_invisibility = {
unique_buff_id = "psyker_invisibility_test",

You're the elf

[fringe tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

[shut thorn]

Also this became zealot's invisibility thing

[dense cloud]

sad face 18 x fs no defector yet 😦

[shut thorn]

Probably an assassin or smth

It's for zealot

It also gives a dmg boost

[fringe tangle]

They didn't even hide that fact, the Ogryn powermaul was in a trailer before the game released

[flint plover]

i'm hedging my bets on Crusader

[glossy hazel]

Steam Store page says 50GB space needed for full game, actual game is like 39 something GBs. There's 10GBs of cut content I reckon.

[shut thorn]

No it's for streaming the content to ur pc

It's why it loads so long

Granted the streamed content is nowhere near 10gb

[fringe tangle]

yeah probably some cut stuff.

[crisp yacht]

I dont think you wanna use purge on carapace enemies. So maybe the carapace to something else.

[flint plover]

that's what i figured too, ty

[shut thorn]

Anyone here who's actually read the books, any idea what psyker protectorate could be?

An enforcer?

[fair axle]

That just means they've reused previous stuff.. Warhammer does the same.. Literally has abilities called human used for chaos 😛

[shut thorn]

Protectorate can use zappy hands and put down a forcefield dome thing

[fair axle]

Ooooh

We're actually getting something that's... NOT a straight up copy pasta from vermintide

That's bold

[snow dust]

Neat

[shut thorn]

Would be hilarious if it's an admech protector

But it's prob an enforcer

[fair axle]

I wouldn't mind a Tech-Priest class

They can always base it off Warrior Priest 🤣

[shut thorn]

I just realized

The 10% dmg reduction thing on protectorate

Is probably the aura

[fair axle]

Seems about right

[supple skiff]

yeah 10 is not much for an active ability

[shut thorn]

Honestly the thing I'm most interested in

Is brainburst being replaced by zappy hands

Rip ranged ability but whatever

I could then run void and zappy hands

[fair axle]

Protectorate sounds like a melee focused class tho

[shut thorn]

It's got chain lightning for G, it can be quickly zapped or charged up. It has a forcefield dome it can "charge up" and "place down"

And there's a test setup for 2h force sword

That uses chainsword's sweep hitbox

Not so much as being melee but rather, a tank

[night marten]

will be interesting to see how chain lightning feels different than surge staff

[calm grail]

Force dome sounds useful for the inevitable ranged fight

[shut thorn]

Prob weaker

But it's fine tbh

Just give me my gdamn 2h fs

Also mk3 fs is literally made for nuking bulwarks

mk1 seems to be for crowds

all have the same special

ALSO

Biggest thing with mk3

Ranged block seems to be default, mk2 and mk3 can get deflector

mk1 doesn't seem to have anything abt blocking ranged

Mk1

Mk2

Mk3

Gunslinger knives are target homing

target_finder_module_class_name = "smart_target_targeting",

[echo parrot]

I am all about this vibe

[stuck basalt]

is that possible get tier 4 perk?

[echo parrot]

Hopefully it doesn ttake 6 months

[bleak tulip]

yes

[echo parrot]

I am getting pretty bored already

[manic needle]

Yep have fun spamming left click for 20 minutes

[stuck basalt]

lol

[echo parrot]

Dont refine until you have both perks unlocked

That way you can always roll the worse of the two, instead of risking getting something that is absolute trash later that you cant do anything about

[shut thorn]

Squad leader for vet has references to it's "minions dying"

[manic needle]

Sprint Efficiency is a super important stat of have on staffs bro. Trust me this isnt Copium I swear

[stuck basalt]

no idea, i thought you refine with 1 perk, it only lock when you got 2 perks

[shut thorn]

Maybe squad leader can convert enemies into friendlies

[echo parrot]

Nope, when you get the other perk it will just be auto locked

[bleak tulip]

nah it locks the others

[stuck basalt]

should i?

[shut thorn]

No

Get second perk

[bleak tulip]

sprint is bad, they already rolled

[manic needle]

Get second perk for sure

[echo parrot]

Great they already rolled

[bleak tulip]

its too late anyway

[echo parrot]

Hope you dont get trash for second perk

Because now you will be stuck with it

[shut thorn]

[stuck basalt]

newbie mistake

[shut thorn]

I hate this bot

I genuinely do

[bleak tulip]

its rng one way or the other anyway, best you can do is roll until you get some useless shit like experience so you take that out of the pool when you consecrate

[manic needle]

devs are the big mad about the cash shop backlash

[shut thorn]

ngl idc

its just cosmetics

[bleak tulip]

source: lol trust me

I feel like theyre more big mad about having to release it in its state

when it clearly wasnt done

[shut thorn]

Void, you gonna roll protectorate if it ever comes out?

[bleak tulip]

wuh

[manic needle]

THis guy is the big mad about my cracking a joke about a certain F acronym being ceonsored on this discord

[echo parrot]

I am a suspiciously wealthy furry that likes to irresponsibly blow money. Gimme more shop cosmetics.

[shut thorn]

Gets palpatine hands instead of brainburst

And forcefield instead of peril quell shout thing

[bleak tulip]

I mean at this point it cant be worse than BB right

[shut thorn]

it seems to be just a worse surge staff

Would pair well w/ void BFG

[bleak tulip]

eh

would have to try it

I really dislike surge

[echo parrot]

I look forward to trying it out in 8-12 months

[manic needle]

Get into the 40k tabletop, best way to blow money tbh

[shut thorn]

ngl void might end up liking gunslinger more solely due to the homing knives

[manic needle]

Time to get some of those Titan box sets

[echo parrot]

Nah, I have nobody to play tabletop with, and overall am not a fan of strategy games.

[shut thorn]

and the high noon ability

[manic needle]

Some people do it just for the joy of model painting etc FWIW. And I won't lie, some of them look really good.

[jovial frigate]

crit is what you want on purg right

[echo parrot]

Fair enough

[shut thorn]

yems

[echo parrot]

Im not a huge model person though

[shut thorn]

crits add new stacks

[jovial frigate]

so this is pretty fat then

[bleak tulip]

you see do what like 80% of tabletop nerds do and just spend money on the funny figures, try and paint em yourself, fuck it up then pay someone to pay em for you, wait a few months and then put em in a glass case and look at them sometimes

never play tho

[manic needle]

The ULTIMATE way to blow money

[echo parrot]

"I collect only the finest and most tasteful slaaneshi units"

[sour coral]

Does block efficiency or warp resistance help with blocking ranged with force sword Perk?

[shut thorn]

yes

[sour coral]

Yes to both?

[magic burrow]

dont worry, the models tend to be tiny, not very huge

[shut thorn]

I believe It also works against ranged but I don't feel like digging thru the files rn

[bleak tulip]

no idea if warp resist really helps with deflector, it probably should but ya know

it just might not

[shut thorn]

I would check if the files relevant to it weren't in 9 different places

also

It is possible to buy items in the store without ever starting the game

😎

[magic burrow]

complexity through obscurity

[sour coral]

Ok. I just wondered because mine had 15% block with deflector 9% and 50% warp resistance. But it still sky tockets peril blocking that it feels pointless.

[fair axle]

Is it possible to buy the weapons we want at 380 with the right perk and blessing?

at the right level?

[shut thorn]

No, you get a store specific to your character id and it's class

And can only get items from it

[magic burrow]

wait, I thought every psyker got the same shop

[bleak tulip]

nah

[fair axle]

50% is very low tho.. At 80% and 6% block efficiency it corresponds to 4 peril per hit

[magic burrow]

it's individual?

[shut thorn]

The spaghetto code for this looks really inefficient so Idk i they'll change it in the future*

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[shut thorn]

Yes, your character id is used for seeding

[magic burrow]

ahh, then I dont have to feel like crap when someone gets a god weapon and I thought I wasnt around to buy it

[fair axle]

You'd need some 15% block effiency on all your curious + 20% on your weapon before you'll see a difference

[magic burrow]

also that's all kinds of messed up actually, cause that might mean some people will forever be cursed to have crappy shops, when others get lucky constantly

[sour coral]

Yeah everything else on the sword is near 80% though. That’s why I wondered if the low resistance was hurting me.

[primal aurora]

yep, you just wasn't around to buy YOUR god weapon

[echo parrot]

Thats why so many people have been shitting on it. The game loop way late game is log in, check shop, curse, log out.

[night marten]

crit chance

warp nexus BiS

[shut thorn]

🥺

[bleak tulip]

if you dont check the store you dont even roll the dice, if you never check you never miss anything

thats my mentality

[echo parrot]

I have around 500k dockets left, I can literally keep doing that for forever until something pops up because most of my gear is in the 370's

[snow dust]

I dunno what I'm looking at but that's neat ('-')

[shut thorn]

There's a debug store for weapons and stuff

Probably need unique character id's to access it

[echo parrot]

Would make sense

[snow dust]

Neat

[fair axle]

Testing purposes

[magic burrow]

Speaking of shops

https://puu.sh/JuAwz/8eeb4026dc.png

https://puu.sh/JuAwC/5ef95e82bb.png

???

[shut thorn]

🙂

[magic burrow]

literally the exact same item in the shop twice, but one has a higher rating for no reason

[shut thorn]

Cool particles

[mental rock]

warp brap

[manic needle]

Script > statue

Heed the word of the Emperor, citizen

[shut thorn]

I'm not gonna shittalk the devs much after this

[fierce rain]

so question for max level psykers, from what i understand deflector sword is pretty rare. I just got this at 19, lets say I dont see another for a while, you would continue to hold onto it simply for the blessing right

[echo parrot]

Wait, are you fucking around with commands to toy with things you shouldnt?

[manic needle]

Yes, eventually youll be able to transfer it

[bleak tulip]

keep it either way yeah

[manic needle]

and if you see any others then buy them regardless of stats, you can combine and upgrade them, supposedly.

[fierce rain]

Sweet. I wasnt going to trash it. Didnt know if keeping it slotted was good, im enjoying this guy and blowing through levels

[violet fossil]

hrm.

[manic needle]

Honestly it depends. There are other good melee choices for Psyker besides FS, especially for surge staff builds if you happen across a good one.

[fierce rain]

Yeah I like surge a ton, right now using purgatus simply because in pugs I dont trust people to kill stuff im working on for me while I tie them up lol

[echo parrot]

I went back to surge and I actually started to feel sick from the effects after a few matches.

I had to get off of the computer

[fierce rain]

I dont find it bad at all but clearly enough people do that it needs to be addressed lol

[true spindle]

Surge feels awful WHEN your teammates don't do the killing, sometimes I've been stuck stunning enemies for a good while

Actually, more often than I'd like

[echo parrot]

My usual rotation is surge stun, sprint up and stab in face, dodge back, repeat.

[fierce rain]

I just went through aa entire match of just spamming it while kiting and trying to ping for help lol.

[echo parrot]

Gets me through most things when people wont pick up the slack

[bleak tulip]

its already been raised to the dev team last week

its probably gonna be changed in the next hotfix

[true spindle]

It should get changed, even if you don't get badly affected by it it's still really annoying

[magic burrow]

that feel when teammates only care about what happens in front of them, and you're constantly trying to deal with the ranged guys plinking you in the back

[night marten]

actually affects the screens of teammates to a noticeable degree if you're really close to the surge user

[prisma minnow]

were penances a thing in vermantide and does completing them actually matter besides the cosmetic unlocks?

[echo parrot]

Drip and bragging rights

[true spindle]

It's worse from seeing it in 3rd person for sure

[burnt python]

played a lights out with a surge user the other day and thought iw as gonna have a fuckin seizure just from their vfx

[remote tusk]

that's why I enjoy pairing it up with the axe. It can take on most things fairly safely and pairs well with using the surge due to animation cancel into weapon swap

[bleak tulip]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-new-visual-is-seizure-inducing/69023/18

[prisma minnow]

surge + axe feels so good

[true spindle]

I've yet to play Psyker with a good axe, got a V axe with Brutal Momentum right when I stopped for the day

[remote tusk]

nice! hope you find it as fun as I do

[manic needle]

You would think that this would be the kind of thing that the devs would jump on to immediately fix. Just look at how quickly the seizure-inducing effects were reworked in Cyberpunk 2077

There hasnt been a hotfix for it yet but I dont imagine theyre sitting on it either

[echo parrot]

Not psyker related, but I went into a malice with my level 4 zealot and a knife and I felt like a damn anime character.

[abstract sonnet]

Is dagger psyker viable? I love the dagger combat for the veteran and to be honest... I die much as psyker... I'm an ogryn main.

[hardy socket]

psyker is squishy as shit

just spam dodge

and you'll do well

[bleak tulip]

you dont really get any synergy with dagger as psyker

[manic needle]

Its not amazing, same with the Tactical Axe.

[echo parrot]

I use a dagger on damnation, its def viable, provided you know how to dodge.

[remote tusk]

Anabel might have a word to say about this

[summer wind]

you don't with anything except force sword

aside from peril blocking

[shut thorn]

no

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-25617057

[manic needle]

Like, you can use it and be good with it but it's certainly not meta.

[echo parrot]

What is meta but an excuse for people to blame their teamates for not following.

[summer wind]

fair

[echo parrot]

I use a knife, I have no issues, simple as.

[abstract sonnet]

What weapon (I assume staff of some sort) is your ranged slot?

[hardy socket]

honestly think the surge is like if there was a "net gun" in lfd2 that just stuns any enemy

[manic needle]

Have you considered that you're just a shank king/queen, though?

[hardy socket]

which makes it dogshit for hordes and really good for elites

[remote tusk]

high mobility weapons have plenty of appeal for psykers since our staves are so reliant on positioning

[shut thorn]

The current meta is gunslinger, I already unlocked it, here's the high noon ability (this is a joke for those that genuinely believe me)

[summer wind]

really good if someone else can kill them for you

[shut thorn]

[echo parrot]

Im stealing that, and, stolen.

[manic needle]

Nice.

[hardy socket]

really bad for hordes in a horde game

very cool

[candid galleon]

I like dueling sword. Is force sword more widely used though?

[shut thorn]

yes

[echo parrot]

Surge. Knife does not do the most damage, so you have to make heavy weakpoints count against big bois, so surge stun, heavy stab, dodge back, surge again is a survival tactic

Knifes biggest benefit is mobility

[bleak tulip]

I feel like class exclusives just get used more in general, doesnt really mean anything

like why would I use a regular axe on zealot when I can use an evi or th

[echo parrot]

4 tours in London changes a person.

[manic needle]

Oi bruv

[bleak tulip]

and why would I play vet when I can use all but one of the guns they get on other classes

[candid galleon]

Honestly the deal breaker for me with force sword is that the block obscures my vision way too much.

[remote tusk]

the surge staff might not be for you Ehud

[bleak tulip]

you wanna dodge with it anyway

[echo parrot]

One time when I was streaming in discord and just kept stabbing with my knife, they said "Is this Darktide or London simulator?"

[bleak tulip]

you can block with peril block but it shouldnt really be what you do, dodging is free

[shut thorn]

hmm

[abstract sonnet]

Makes sense I'm using a dueling sword and purgstus currently but I'm still leveling my psyker, I swap gear regularly.

[remote tusk]

one of my fav steam reviews of Darktide just says "Never has post brexit London been so lovingly recreated"

[shut thorn]

Heh

Trauma has best venting

[bleak tulip]

it needs it

[shut thorn]

Probably BIS for protectorate though because no good way to vent

[candid galleon]

Wait, do we actually have solid info on how that class will work?

[shut thorn]

Not entirely but the aura is known, F ability is known and G is known

Protectorate:
Aura: 10% less damage taken
G: Chain lightning, basically surge staff
F: Forcefield dome thing

Then there's
Gunslinger:
Aura: Too lazy to dig
G: Homing throwing knives
F: Marks all targets in proximity, probably kills them or smth

[abstract sonnet]

Do we have any ideas on when first subclass drops... or who gets it first?

[shut thorn]

No

But it's probably psyker

Or Ogryn

[abstract sonnet]

Ogryn

[shut thorn]

Zealot's is the most unfinished one

[sonic aspen]

ogryn would be more likely

[abstract sonnet]

Wait... sorry wrong chat (hides in ogryn main)

[peak jacinth]

ogryn one seemed the most finished

[shut thorn]

It's not, protectorate is more finished

[sonic aspen]

ogryn or vet

[shut thorn]

Gun Lugger doesn't have an aura coded, the grenade isn't also fully coded

[peak jacinth]

oh even better

feel bad for ogryn fans though since they still have few weapons

[shut thorn]

Krak grenade is fully coded

[abstract sonnet]

We have I think I added up like 12 weapon archetypes or something like that

[shut thorn]

And there's some weird buff stuff w/ "minions"(enemies?? or friendlies?????) dying and buffing the vet

For vet squad leader

[abstract sonnet]

Ogryns have so few weapons.

[bleak tulip]

protectorate basically the santioned psyker subclass to scare guardsmen with

[shut thorn]

Also there's a hilarious weapon category that is odd from the rest

It literally just says "psyker"

No other class has a category for it like that

Also preacher has a "relic" for grenade slot that was meant to buff friendlies or the preacher themselves

It's coded, but nowhere in stores

[peak jacinth]

the vet minion code is really odd

[shut thorn]

Wait

Isn't the preacher relic

Literally

The book thing

From vt2

Lol

[shut thorn]

Guess you looked at it too

The issue is that enemies are coded as 'minions'

So I just think the squad leader gets buffs from killing enemies quickly

During the rally shout

Like why is there a daemonhost in the "minions" folder

Or a beast of nurgle

Regardless, psyker is most fleshed out in current patch data

[hardy socket]

i don't really get why the class is called "psychic psyker"

kinda redundant

[shut thorn]

Because it's actually the biomancer

And preacher is actually maniac

[warped perch]

Still not sure which staff I should use on heresy/damnation. I like them all except trauma

[shut thorn]

And skullbreaker is bonebreaker (lol)

but the funniest one is

Sharpshooter is literally just

"Ranged"

[shut thorn]

I use void, surge if I don't trust teammates

[bleak tulip]

surge has a lot less carry potential, you really need your team to do most of the damage while you just stunlock the shit out of everything

[warped perch]

What about force

[bleak tulip]

you mean trauma?

theyre all force staves

[warped perch]

Whoops I mean the fire one

[vestal finch]

Purgatus for every occasion.

[warped perch]

Pergatus?

[bleak tulip]

purg lacks range

[warped perch]

Is that the fire one

[bleak tulip]

but its fine

[visual snow]

purg does exactly what its supposed to do

[bleak tulip]

they sort of made it better last patch apparently

[warped perch]

I get my staves mixed up

[vestal finch]

You can just slide your way to the enemies

[bleak tulip]

soulblaze is still dogwater though

[visual snow]

it still does what its supposed to do

[bleak tulip]

just use it like a damage cone

I just dont like not having any ranged ability

[visual snow]

thats why u got teammates

[bleak tulip]

ideally yeah

[vestal finch]

Redditors tell me everything except surge is LITERALLY USELESS!!

[warped perch]

This is why I ask

[hardy socket]

it is a fucking stun gun that is incapable of killing more than maybe 10 guys in a horde

[warped perch]

Conflicting messages

[remote tusk]

lol

[vestal finch]

But bro!!! omg!! those 10 guys are gonna be locked down for good not even gonna do nothin man and that's super good CC

[wise pecan]

It’s great against swarms of scab shooters, but other than that it really isn’t for killing lol

[hardy socket]

"it really isnt for killing"

[bleak tulip]

people got onto the "unlimited power" meme wagon and dont play the thing any higher than malice so they dont realize how surge damage is completely shit

[remote tusk]

don't trust people when it comes to staffs. People have ones they swear to and will aggressively champion them like their lives depend on it

[vestal finch]

Trauma can be good

[visual snow]

depends a bit on team composition

[vestal finch]

if you get a godroll...

[remote tusk]

all four are viable

[hardy socket]

in malice i clear out waves in 3 shots with voidstrike

and that's the bigger hordes

[remote tusk]

malice can be played with any gear though

[arctic bloom]

flame staff is the truth

[visual snow]

flame staff hi intensity damnation

[vestal finch]

I clear out waves, and I don't even have to aim!

[visual snow]

is the way

[bleak tulip]

like you can just go melee psyker on malice and do fine is my point

just meme it up

[vestal finch]

Purgatus for life

[manic needle]

Honestly surge damage is okay against scabs and other armored enemies, its the unarmored/infested damage that needs work, especially since those enemies are the most common

[visual snow]

ye go dual V in malice and go zoom

[hardy socket]

with surge i'mma stare at an elite not get stunned as i hit them 3 times with fully charged things

[wise pecan]

Lol no

[remote tusk]

hahaha

[hardy socket]

i think it's lag or something but i swear the surge does not stun enemies as much as the literal m1 of a staff

[steel flame]

He's been bamboozled by reddit

Poor thing

[vestal finch]

You might as well BB at that point...

[warped perch]

For me it's between pergatus and void

[wise pecan]

Surge stuns literally everything that isn’t a boss. EVERYTHING. The only thing that’s close to an exception is the mutant, who still gets stunned, it just only gets stunned when the zap finishes

[steel flame]

I'm all in on the holy flames baby

[warped perch]

I mean I like surge too but it's kind of annoying

[hardy socket]

pergatus is really good at close range and void is better at long range

[hardy socket]

if it works

[stone gate]

Finally got that pick'n'mix penance, tried first time to do it in comms-plex 154/2f where you have to wait for the servo skull to do it's thing and six gunners spawned in a neat line.

[hardy socket]

and if you catch the elites

[remote tusk]

"I reck at malice bros. Ur setups are trash"

[steel flame]

Surge would be more fun, if it didn't make you feel like shit while using it

[warped perch]

I like void but everyone says to use surge lmao

I like the long range

[hardy socket]

void is better

[wise pecan]

That’s a you problem. Every staff only works if it works

[bleak tulip]

me when I look at that pinned gunpsyker build that that person harassed the mods to get pinned

[hardy socket]

at killing elites and at killing hordes

[steel flame]

Except trauma. That poor thing needs some help

[hardy socket]

trauma can be decent at clearing hordes

[remote tusk]

trauma is fun though

[warped perch]

Why would someone pick pergatus over void then for damage

[hardy socket]

again, it's really good for close range

[steel flame]

Decent is all it can ever dream of being

[bleak tulip]

idk, fun?

[hardy socket]

and it does damage over time

[bleak tulip]

some people jsut really want a flame thrower

[hardy socket]

but one good headshot line and it clears waves

[wise pecan]

Void can’t cleave a horde side to side. Purgatus does

[bleak tulip]

its less effort

at least imo

[warped perch]

Isn't pergatus good for stacks too

[visual snow]

flame is good crowd control and helps teammates know where enemies are

in cluster situations

[wise pecan]

It’s great for stackbuilding yeah

[remote tusk]

purge and surge gets better at higher difficulties due to more enemy density and increased value of cc

[bleak tulip]

it takes forever to get enough stacks on shit and waiting for dots in a game this fast is kind of meh when you can just kill shit

[vestal finch]

Fire fills all. A shield can't put a stop to your crowd clear potential with flames

[steel flame]

Flame staff enables press f to delete horde better than any other staff

[warped perch]

What talents do you pair with it for stacks I forgot

Pergatus I mean

[steel flame]

111322

11322

[vestal finch]

I use Purgatus without Ascending Blaze

[bleak tulip]

at most 6 charges and ascend blaze

but then you miss out on the best charge generator talent

so you gotta BB

which is a time waste

[vestal finch]

I use Kinetic Barrage instead to complement my lacking ranged potential

[bleak tulip]

now AB is gonna get you some stacks too but its still pretty inconsistent because shit actually has to die from the dot iirc, and the staff outdamages the dots

[wise pecan]

Indeed. On malice, you really don’t need surge’s stunning power, so you’re free to pick whatever you want. On Damnation, you’re gonna want something that can stun that cluster of two ragers, a crusher, two bulwarks, and a reaper

[warped perch]

Is that the cohesion one

[vestal finch]

Kinetic Flayer

[hardy socket]

isn't that kind of extreme support

[vestal finch]

the random BBs one

[bleak tulip]

nah I mean kinetic flayer, 25 -3

[steel flame]

Auto bb and coherence stacks will get you stacks fast, then you will have stacks instantly everytime you ult with 4, so the build snowballs really hard

[hardy socket]

cause at that point you're delegated to killing like 30 enemies max

[warped perch]

Oh right

[wise pecan]

Extreme situations call for extreme support (and surge will be doing meaningful damage to most of those enemies)

[warped perch]

And seizures

[hardy socket]

and the stun not working sometimes

[remote tusk]

you kill plenty. Surge fries people with armor, purge takes care of less armored folks. They struggle with their opposites though, so they pair well with each other. Zealots tend to use flamers, so surge tends to be the weapon my team picks for me.

[hardy socket]

"my team picks for me"?

[remote tusk]

heretics are kind enough to wear electricity conductive helmets

[wise pecan]

Yeah that needs to be fixed lmao. I’m not having trouble with my own surge staff, but when myself and another person were using it the flashes got… intense

[vestal finch]

He's what we call a "cuck"

[remote tusk]

On damnation I tend to run what the team needs

[hardy socket]

do what is fun for you

[remote tusk]

other difficulties I do what I feel like there and then

[steel flame]

Force sword can melt specials for purge so I don't think I ever feel unable to handle whatever comes outta the woodwork. And deflector buys you time to get close

[hardy socket]

i mean most teams have a designated elite killer already

[wise pecan]

Yeah force sword and purgatus are a great combo

[remote tusk]

fs/purge and antax/surge are good combos

[warped perch]

You just gotta get lucky and get one with deflector 😒

[visual snow]

force purgatus are the best to clutch

[vestal finch]

I hate the force sword

[bleak tulip]

you dont need deflector, I dont have it either

[wise pecan]

Yep yep lmao. I have like 10 force swords in my inventory, and one has deflector

[steel flame]

I'm still rolling a 30% damage deflector in damnantion.

[vestal finch]

Doesn't fit my playstyle at all

[shut thorn]

same

[bleak tulip]

its really nice to have but you can do without it

[visual snow]

you can do without it, but it allows more room for plays

[shut thorn]

I originally hated combat blade and thought it was useless, been liking it a lot ever since I was forced to use it to grind for mats

[wise pecan]

I mean yeah you don’t need it, but it gives purgatus an answer to ranged.

[visual snow]

you can do things with it that you couldnt do previously

[shut thorn]

There's nothing like sliding across the map tbh

[remote tusk]

I have 6 deflector swords and all have terrible stats :p slot machine game

[steel flame]

I like it on fire and void staffs but with full bb build or surge I prefer saber

[hardy socket]

i mean most of the trouble comes from ranged enemies

i don't think any team is having trouble with like melee pox zombies

[remote tusk]

agreed

[hardy socket]

void is really good at ranged and is decent for horde clearing

[warped perch]

I love exploding hordes with void but at close range it gets iffy

[simple junco]

By themselves, no. They're only a part of what makes a team wipe.

[vestal finch]

Aim higher

[bleak tulip]

its excellent for horde clear, you just gotta position yourself well

[steel flame]

Best thing with fire ult is once you get your stacks the range ceases to exist

[frigid void]

the change to surge's visual is a bit.... distracting

[shut thorn]

Oh yeah one thing abt void

It has full suppression on the explosion

Within 5 meters

[wise pecan]

Trust me, if there’s enough of them, your team will start having trouble.

shivers in high intensity damnation investigation

[shut thorn]

So if you're getting shot at by ranged just toss one at their feet

If they're spread out

[echo parrot]

You guys think we are going to get a prem shop refresh before the holidays?

I am still using the penance gear

[wise pecan]

Doubtful, but we’ll see

[hardy socket]

yeah one good line of headshots clears out waves pretty easy

especially if you have like 2 warp charges

[night marten]

https://media.tenor.com/ShzdJcrguswAAAAC/burn-elmo.gif

[shut thorn]

pick n mix?

dont u

[night marten]

no, just purge staff

[shut thorn]

already

have it

a

foul bot

[wise pecan]

Hahahaha

[echo parrot]

@shut thorn by the Emperor, slow down!

[shut thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1005249252030697592/1039582656779796521/Discord_KgF7O1jBdi.gif

[echo parrot]

Pitbull mode

[bleak tulip]

with void you can literally delete hordes before they even get to your team in holdout situations like on the manufactorum, you just shoot head level at the spawn where you enter it all the way from the door and they basically never even get to your team

[shut thorn]

Don't worry he doesn't bite he's just playing

[wise pecan]

The accursed machine intelligence strikes at us even here

[shut thorn]

You forgot the best thing about void

It is literally called BFG_Staff

In the files

[echo parrot]

Thats what the last three people said, and also why I have only 7 fingers.

[shut thorn]

He felt threatened

[echo parrot]

Whatever you say, you will be hearing from my commissar

[remote tusk]

that cyber mastiff has just made commissar rank

[wise pecan]

I think void is definitely better than purg if you can position yourself such that a horde will only come at you through one narrow pathway… but is that ever a situation where you’re actually in danger to begin with?

[remote tusk]

the biggest issue I have with purge is that so many zealots run flamers. Feels better to have a good spread of tools in a team

[bleak tulip]

its a situation in which you can get overwhelmed if you dont have enough trash clear

also void still works in melee range, pro tip there

[wise pecan]

Oh yeah, I don’t think the debate is void vs surge, because they do completely different jobs. But comparing void vs purg… purg can hold a choke against hordes just as easily, but can also sweep when faced with a wide angle of approach. Void only works in straight lines.

[hardy socket]

true

but void also does pretty decently against elites

[manic needle]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1986681444741392439/A3F3FA93D626BB4284C16729ED00DF2F348E6285/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false
I'm a little bit tempted to reroll a perk on this and give it a try

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah you can also just shoot through ogryn and his shield, thats fun too

[jovial jackal]

what's the dump stat on dueling sword?

[bleak tulip]

moblility imo

mob then warp resist

oh wait duel

I cant fuckin read

[wise pecan]

Unhelpful answer: the whole dueling sword is the dump stat on dueling sword

[feral crater]

Depends how you use it? XD

[visual snow]

everything except mobility

[bleak tulip]

still mob tbh its enough anyway and you cant attack slide anymore anyway

but I dont use duel

[visual snow]

just need the cap on 15% ddodge distance

[feral crater]

Everything depends. Nothing is truly worthless...

[visual snow]

the mobility and defense overlap

except the sprint lol

its pretty sad

[frigid zenith]

I cant bring myself to use anything but force sword for utility or mk5 axe for killing.

You don't have to CC things that are dead.

[wise pecan]

Without the dodge slide tech, dueling sword just kinda seems redundant. If you want to dodge good and do mediocre damage, take force sword and at least block bullets, too.

[visual snow]

yea and the stats

go for 80 in everything and get a low mobility

[dense cloud]

juisy 😄

[jovial jackal]

so whats the best melee wep for psyker

[frigid zenith]

Run and gun on purg is soooo good.

[jovial jackal]

i dont like force sword its kinda boring

[frigid zenith]

Axe or fs.

[visual snow]

dueling 5 is very fun

[frigid zenith]

Situational.

[dense cloud]

dueling sword for speed zoooooooom

[visual snow]

i hate how they have it capped on dodge distance though

[shut thorn]

I prefer combat blade ngl

cuz yknow

actual dmg

w/ mobility

[wise pecan]

Toss-up between force sword and antax Mk 5, I’d say, depending on your particular build’s strengths and weaknesses. Plenty of other weapons are viable, tho

[dense cloud]

what you mean dukliong sword dos big pp dmg vs mutiesn

[shut thorn]

lol

[frigid zenith]

Full sprinting with purg staff staggering everything with run and gun is fun.

[visual snow]

u cant sprint backwards though

[jovial jackal]

idk i just find the duel sword fun, mostly using surge staff rn, if i wanna clear hordes with melee i play my ogryn

[visual snow]

or sideways

[frigid zenith]

Why would anyone want to go any direction but forward.

[visual snow]

more options

[frigid zenith]

No retreating!

Always forward, never back!

[dense cloud]

backwareforward moving with doge 😄

on dueling 🙂

big slide

[frigid zenith]

Sliding is for pussies.

This ain't baseball.

[dense cloud]

doing slike and 360 😄

backward

and swinging swonrtd

spin to win

[frigid zenith]

We ain't got no sunfire capes or dudes named Garen.

[manic needle]

Ogryns might disagree

[frigid zenith]

They don't know what baseball is.

[manic needle]

Ogryn baseball uses heretics instead of baseball

[wise pecan]

They sure can throw a fastbox tho

[shut thorn]

There's gonna be an ogryn that properly uses grenades

Terrifying

[wise pecan]

Does it count as using them properly if you use the entire box at once

[shut thorn]

that's different

[manic needle]

Implying that box throw + detonation perk isnt peak grenade performance, pfft

[shut thorn]

There's also a fire grenade but no idea for who

[wise pecan]

Arguably ogryn is the most efficient grenade thrower of them all. Not only do all the grenades detonate, he even gets use out of the box itself!

[shut thorn]

Either for vet or zealot

Probably vet

Krak is pretty much for vet though

There's also a preacher relic to replace grenade that either buffs the zealot or someone else

Krak maybe might end up on the zealot stealth class thing??

Would be weird tho

[leaden pier]

what's the best dueling sword in terms of performance

[echo parrot]

Relic?

[shut thorn]

Yeah

Correction, it is a F ability that brings out some relic thing

And you can either buff someone else or yourself

[echo parrot]

Interesting

[echo parrot]

Your diving is making me excited again for things

[steel flame]

Guess we might get a support zealot subclass then

[shut thorn]

The issue is, it's called preacher.....

So it might be cut content

Isn't it weird how preacher gets a grenade

And the zealot ingame in files is called "maniac"

[steel flame]

Well all the character classes in vermintide are labeled differently

[echo parrot]

Blood something something, skulls something something throne.

[sharp ibex]

Die someone say Khorne i heard someone say Khorne

[south monolith]

At least darktide is consistent with most of the subclass naming. "Unreleased" is very comprehensive

[steel flame]

Part of balanced genecide

[echo parrot]

No corn here commissar, its been extinct for millennia.

[shut thorn]

haha no

Psykinetic in files: Biomancer
Zealot: Maniac
Skullbreaker: Bonebreaker
Sharpshooter: Ranged

"Ranged"

[echo parrot]

Just ranged