psyker-class

[vestal rose]

shoulda levelled a zealot instead lol
they get the bigger chainsword

they seem awful in heresy+

[jaunty atlas]

you can control, demob, you have 4 of them

everything is awful in heresy+, it's not the nades

[fair axle]

Eviscerator is bad.. Why have Eviscerator when you have a combat blade that can do 1k damage on weak spot crits with a 50% crit chance build..

[vestal rose]

I'm not so sure. I feel like I can make much more space with my chainsword in the time it takes to throw a nade or two

[fallow meadow]

No idea what I can do with it. I will still take it though.

[fair axle]

legit you kill faster with a kitchen knife than with an eviscerator

[vestal rose]

that's tragic

[fallow meadow]

Eviscerator swing too slow. The block attack is not bad but you have much better choice.

[fair axle]

And all Vets are screaming for Eviscerator nerfs now and all Zealots are like.. Sure, nerf it, we don't use it anyway

[vestal rose]

That's really a shame
I fell in love with the chainsword the moment I picked it up

[fallow meadow]

The regular chainsword work better than eviscerator if you ask me.

[fair axle]

Eviscerator is so clunky.. Heavy swings locks you into sawing animations and gets you killed..

[vestal rose]

so zealots are just out there stabbing people with knives?
are they as displeased about the situation as we are about the state of psyker?

[vestal rose]

:s
why??

rhetorical question
thats awful

[fallow meadow]

I am using a tactic axe. And the new power mual is not bad.

[fair axle]

No, they love their knife build

Why wouldn't they.. They 3 shot Ogryn's with a kitchen knife

[keen adder]

that's debatable, I'm not particularly fond of it as a Zealot main

feels like the class got pigeonholed into either Axe Murderer or Serial Stabber

[vestal rose]

if I were playing zealot, I'd want to charge screaming at enemies with some over the top weaponry, personally
where's the fun in a lil knife

[keen adder]

very poor horde control as well

[fair axle]

It massacres a horde tho

[keen adder]

the animations are really nice though :\

[cyan notch]

mobility and speed

[vestal rose]

fair points

[fair axle]

I've seen a Zealot massacre and hold back entire hordes just swinging their knife around.. Any elite that comes near just evaporates..

Dodge, block, push swing

[keen adder]

I'll have to take your word for it, most knifelots I've seen must be flavor of the month scrubs

[safe mountain]

Zealot suffers from the god damn mechanic, that heavy attacks always have armour pen and not certain attack typs.

[warm delta]

quick quiestion how many bb does it take to take down a reaper in damnation?

[safe mountain]

4

[warm delta]

ty

[gilded hatch]

which combat axe is better on psyker (surge staff)?

[mental rock]

I prefer mk 5, ideally with the first attack in chain does extra blessing

[past pumice]

4 i belive

[warm delta]

ty

[river sand]

mkv for super cleave on push attack

[river crest]

generally the Mk 5 due to Cleave

[frail anvil]

when do u get the cleave? or is im missing something?

[vagrant cedar]

it's clearly explain in the game

[frank hawk]

which one is better left or right?

[river crest]

it is one of the stats. It affects how many enemies your attacks can hit at the same time

[river crest]

left

[frank tartan]

Green one is much better

[frank hawk]

🙂 thx

[river crest]

just reroll the sprint perk with the Refine option

[frank hawk]

refine ? what does it look like, do you have a picture of it?

[mental rock]

go to the crafting place

button called refine

[frank hawk]

ah ok what is a good Blessing for it

or perk

[mental rock]

bonus damage against flak seems to be generally what people think is best

crit chance is also good

for surge dont get weakpoint damage though as im not sure it works with the right click

on the harder diffs with surge, you may find yourself focusing on CCing ogres a lot so bonus against unyielding is also nice

[frank hawk]

many thx for the tips

[abstract sonnet]

carapace as well, since it seems like all ogryn have some carapaceon bits note* observation not necessarily truth please take this grain of salt with it.

[keen adder]

I feel like Surge has a lot of crit potential, so that might be a good investment

esp since as I understand it, crit goes through armor?

[maiden wolf]

I consecrsated this one up from blue rarity. What would y'all say are the best perks and blessings on a purgatus staff?

[grave bobcat]

Yeah you want Surge to crit as much as you can 🙂

[white cedar]

look great!

[maiden wolf]

You can thank RNG for that

[frank hawk]

critical hit damage or only crit chance ?

[grave bobcat]

chance

There is a stat on the staff called "Crit Bonus"

[stark snow]

the end result of this will be something like “fixed warp nexus inappropriately applying to melee weapons.”

[grave bobcat]

Nooo

you monster

[frank hawk]

finaly now , what do you think its ok so ?

[grave bobcat]

1 moment in-gmae 🙂

[patent hatch]

That’s super strong

[frank hawk]

🙂

[white cedar]

that's really wide screen 😆

[frank hawk]

yea 32:9 love it

[sonic aspen]

seeing the warp overtake you in 32:9

[frank hawk]

i don't see it just i feel it 🙂

[grave bobcat]

Pretty good, shame no warp nexus blessing 😦

[runic hornet]

32:9 aspect res

Good lord why

who decided on those numbers

[frank hawk]

i hope the bless refine comes soon 🙂

[white cedar]

i think they will update once a month, full game will be on Q2

[grave bobcat]

Will prob find a better one before then 🥲

[white cedar]

we are playing demo in full price 🙃

[grave bobcat]

Full release early access

[frank hawk]

thats my sword

[grave bobcat]

I was gonna say there is a blessing that stacks with your staffs crit I think it is Shred

But can't remember been a few days

I think it is Shred though

[white cedar]

I think Deflector make you block the bullet while reviving

[grave bobcat]

It does

[white cedar]

neat, that's why I clutch reviving last game

my second game in t4, I somehow clutch revive my team in elevator ganking

[pure lion]

For the purposes of Warp Absorbtion (gain toughness whenever you kill an enemy with a warp attack), does the Purgatus staff flames count as a warp attack?

[white cedar]

any staff skill and force-sword skill count

mostly use on force staff build since it is the main DPS staff

surge staff might work too

[tranquil badge]

Health or toughness on curio and why?

[pure lion]

I was rolling with two toughness curios and a health curio, and found that it meant I was at full toughness most of the time, but dying too easily in hectic situations like boss fights.

So now I’m rolling with two health curios and a +1 wound and gonna see how that goes

P.s. what does Corruption Resistance do? Is that any good?

[white cedar]

(normal)Corruption Resistance, I think it help you with pox and hound damage. technically useless

[grave bobcat]

I use only toughness since we have so many ways to regen it. But people have different preferences really so answer will change based on who you ask 😛

[tranquil badge]

Corruption resistance from grims is good

[fair axle]

No it's not

[tranquil badge]

My friend looses like half a wound or less when we get grims

[white cedar]

3 toughness +50%(20+15+15) gunner resistance because I hate them

[tranquil badge]

Thank you

[tranquil badge]

Thank you

[tranquil badge]

I too hate gunners thank you

[frank hawk]

I hope they introduce something soon that you have a higher chance of bonus loot after playing heresy or damnation it's really frustrating when after an hour you come out of a match like this as a winner and get nothing

[fair axle]

Our toughness is fairly pointless to stack, we only get 10-33% reduction to ranged damage and we need to sacrifice peril on block to get it... Not a good trade.

[tranquil badge]

I’m kinda surprised they have the curio one but not an emperors reward in general

[fair axle]

A single Gunner on Damnation does 200 damage, so even if you have 72% toughness, you still get stripped

[tranquil badge]

So what do you run?

[stark snow]

idk, I've been considering it because it synergizes with queitude, but I have been using hp under the theory that I'm getting more ehp per % point of hp on curios

[fair axle]

2x HP and wounds, 3x Gunner Resistance, Block Efficiency & HP

[tranquil badge]

Cool, personally not a wounds guy but the rest of that looks good thanks

[grave bobcat]

I'll also add I run max gunner resistance too 😛

[runic hornet]

1 wound is good if:

you've identified that disablers are your more common cause of death, as opposed to damage until death
you trust your team

[fair axle]

But I use deflector force sword, so I don't need to worry about my toughness in general unless they get through my deflector block

[white cedar]

interesting, t4 have only 2 wound. it make me nervous

[fair axle]

1 Wounds is just good. It's better to go down and be revived with 2/3 of your HP, than run around with 50% h

HP*

[runic hornet]

yeah going from 2->3 wounds is a huge deal

[tranquil badge]

I’m running gunner resist right now too, is that only for actual gunners or like reapers and ranged chafe too?

[runic hornet]

you get 1 free wound to use on purpose for a heal

[nimble burrow]

That’s 50% more wounds! Good value.

[runic hornet]

and 1 wound to make a mistake with

(or you can just make 2 mistkaes lol)

[fair axle]

Gunner resistance is only for Scab and Dreg Shotgunners/Gunners

[runic hornet]

I was fairly sure it didn't apply to shotguns

[nimble burrow]

Is that right

[tranquil badge]

I’d rather have more room to make a mistake than to have an extra wound and count on making a misuse

[runic hornet]

given that I get insta-toughness smashed before and after 45% gunner resist

[tranquil badge]

Mistake* rather have more toughness or ho than wounds

[grave bobcat]

We were testing it in here, I can't give you a 100% correct reply so I'll say I don't know lol

[runic hornet]

that's just it, if you get caught by a disabler your toughness/HP ususally don't matter on higher diffs. You usally go straight from "100%" to "down"

[fair axle]

I don't think gunner resistances work on toughness

[nimble burrow]

The shotgunners have a crazy multiplier on toughness damage, I doubt any resist will help

[tranquil badge]

Getting caught by disables is not my main cause of death and i usually run with at least one friend so disables aren’t a high concern for me

[runic hornet]

at higher diffs, you shouldn't be dying to random damage from horde, and USUALLY (though not always) conservative play can get you through enemy ranged without getting ripped apart.

So that leaves "I got caught by a disabler" as the primary source of actual death

[fair axle]

I don't think any resistances help on toughness damage actually, I'm pretty sure it's a HP only

[runic hornet]

Not saying that you USUALLY get caught by disablers, but when you die, it's usually disablers

[runic hornet]

huh, I'll have to test that

[white cedar]

hmmmmm

[tranquil badge]

For you maybe, my death is not usually to disabled sis what I’m saying

Which is why idc about wounds

[runic hornet]

because it felt like 45% gunner res significantly increased time I could tank gunners and reapers

[grave bobcat]

I think it does, I'd have to go through my random clips though

[wraith yarrow]

Morning all, is there a specific monster I wanna go for, for the Monstrom Penance ?

[grave bobcat]

I feel this too

[runic hornet]

beast of nurgle by far

[patent hatch]

It’s always good to have at least +1 wound on Psyker some times you do randomly blow up

[tranquil badge]

Daemon host if you have someone to tank for you

[runic hornet]

It's big and stupid and easy to kite.

[jaunty atlas]

i just realised something : i'm pretty sure i got only 3 emperor gift since the beginning of the psyker, on more than 50 missions

[cyan notch]

plague ogryn easier imo doesnt fill the whole area with garbage and slime

[wraith yarrow]

I learned pretty quick the Plague Ogryn wasn't having it lol. Thanks

[runic hornet]

Daemonhost is... well, it has less HP but tanking it will always take a full player out of your party
I feel more comfortable just taking a beast of nurgle for a walk

The advantage of daemonhost is that you can consistently find one

And plan for it

[patent hatch]

How I get it 50% of the time

[runic hornet]

While plague ogyrn and beast are RNG

[fair axle]

Any Monstrocity not a Daemon host will do. Daemon Host will do if you have a slab shield ogryn willing to tank

[jaunty atlas]

i wonder

[grave bobcat]

And I feel the same way that wounds are pointless for me 🙂

Even when I'm doing melee only Psyker 🥲

[wraith yarrow]

Oh wow I didn't even think about that, ogryn and shield tanking the host, that could make this so much easier and I can look cool finally

[nimble burrow]

My boss agro skills are so good with psyker, I can even kite a Daemonhost

[grave bobcat]

Yeah just dodge last hit and you're fine

[fair axle]

I find all Psyker helms meh.. The worst offenders are the toilet MTX cosmetics

[nimble burrow]

Just find a loop, hold guard, and spam dodge lmao

[wraith yarrow]

I like the helm we get from pennaces, not a fan of the cosmetic ones so far

[fair axle]

You do kind of need to have infinite dodges tho

[white cedar]

red hood look cool to me thou

[nimble burrow]

Okay you time it a little but once ya get your metronome set up you’re invincible

Just saying, a peril blocking psyker is just as good as a slab shielding ogryn if you need that penance…

My friend did his solo, actually. No one took the agro of Beast of Nurgle, it was in one of the areas that has a big circle around near a medicae. he really earned that one.

[runic hornet]

yeah Beaset of Nurgle can't mantle certain ledges

there's a location in metalfab where you go past an elevator you take on another mission type

when youdont actually take hte elvator, a boss can spawn there

there's a waist-high ledge you can climb that absolutely memes on the BoN's pathing

you go up the ledge, it walks all the way around to get you

[nimble burrow]

Found a spot in one of the deserty areas that the plague ogryn couldn’t reach either.

[runic hornet]

you drop down the eldge, it makes the beast nurgle turn around

repeat

[nimble burrow]

Lmao

[runic hornet]

I'll clip it next time I find it

or rather find a beast of nurgle there

it's so silly

[white cedar]

beast of nurgle jump is so funny and terrifying

[grave bobcat]

Scab Gunner does 6 dmg to my toughness with full gunner resistance curios. Someone else can find out if they do more without them 😄 stood about 2m from me*

[white cedar]

I hate when shotgunner tank my flame like a chad and shot in my face while other running to cover

too hot to suppress

[echo parrot]

Psyker buffed yet?

[pine iris]

wen psyker buff

[dim cradle]

Are pox-bursters cc-able with flame staff?

[sick kindle]

Who the fuck knows. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Their stagger threshold is more inconsistent than my frame rate.

[void anvil]

what are generally the best blessings on the purgatas staff?

rn im going for warp flurry and terrifying barrage

[jaunty atlas]

i really commited to the thing the staff wanted to do, but i must say .. the dmg is really not impressive, maybe i missed something about it ?

[dim cradle]

I think crit chance is pretty good - I have warp flurry and the one that gives you crit chance with higher peril

[patent hatch]

Warp Flurry, Terryfying Barrage is what I run too

[plucky remnant]

Y'all, why does it feel like at least 50% of psykers (including me) are IRL stoners

[runic hornet]

because stoners are often terminally online and that's who you interact with

[jaunty atlas]

what's a stoner ?

[sick kindle]

I take it for medical reasons. PTSD suuuuucks

[plucky remnant]

Marijuana smoker

[jaunty atlas]

i guess i'm not part of that subgroup

ah

well .. no.

[plucky remnant]

I don't have PTSD (at least not diagnosed)

It just helps me relax and chill the hell out for once

[jaunty atlas]

maybe it's just that 50% of mankind are stoners

i really don't get the surge staff.

you channel some juice and you use a fixed amount of it each time you cast ?

charging it completely is useless ?

[echo parrot]

Yay

[jaunty atlas]

nice

[sick kindle]

Only way I know how to describe it on a technical level is that your fight or flight system is kicked on and the lever for it snapped off. Very few things can take it down.

[plucky remnant]

ah. i see.

[crisp storm]

if I fire a rightclicked BB at 100% peril (channel started before 100%) will I die?

[jagged vault]

do it

[grave bobcat]

Find out 😉

[echo parrot]

Evil

[jagged vault]

blowing yourself is the sure way to find out

[plucky remnant]

BB?

Oh, Brain Burst

[jaunty atlas]

the secret is having a F ready

or near ready

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone get the thing where they are charging BB and when they go to pop it, it bugs out and like, loses the charge or something?

[crisp storm]

that make sense but also seems vaguely asymmetric to how the left click works

[grave bobcat]

It's what the emperor would have wanted

[ornate hamlet]

Not the LMB one the other one

[crisp storm]

yeah that happens if it's not fully charged

if you're at 99% whoops you lose it all

[ornate hamlet]

Ah, thought so, thank you very much

So I need to really be sure its loaded before trying ig

[jagged vault]

pros don't fake

left click and dodge into the horde

[tranquil badge]

The real science we need

[ornate hamlet]

Ever since I started using duelling sword or combat knife, well, anything that increases slash speed and dodging distance + speed I can't use anything else

I love it too much, you feel like a super fast ninja

I want to become even faster

Just dodge the entire fkin map at this point

[tranquil badge]

I swear some dodges are way faster than sprinting

[grave bobcat]

They are 😛

[tranquil badge]

Even axe dodge im like, why even sprint

[keen belfry]

Share a couple weapons i currently use

[maiden wolf]

I'm wondering the same thing, I got Warp Flurry and the uninterruptable perk, which seems really good, I think run and gun would be great too

[supple skiff]

Get hype because you see a notification in the new bulletin channel in hopes for some psyker buffs and fixes
See its actually just a new channel for circle jerking

[sick kindle]

Marketing do be like that

[bleak tulip]

was just rerolling a curio and thought of that lmao

[supple skiff]

roses are red, violets are blue, it don't always be like that, but sometimes it do

[steep plume]

Yo big brain bois i got a question for the voidstrike staff, does blast radious affect the size of the orb you throw or just the explosion when it detonates?

[idle bay]

I live with idea that there will be no psyker buffs, or meaninful reworks. There will be only nerfs and new crippling bugs. Hoping for buffing "magic" class from FatShark... - lets belive in Santa Claus and Bigfoot

[tranquil badge]

I did this like two hours ago no shame

[keen belfry]

Actually had some fun using this as well

[supple skiff]

I keep seeing folks say that they treat their magic classes like shit. I played a decent amount of VT and not much VT2, but I felt fire lady was pretty good in one

hope things haven't changed, I've been wanting to play as a psyker in this type of game for a hot minute

[wicked marsh]

how does voidstrike sustained fire work exactly

what is a "salvo"

[spice oar]

yes las pistol and dueling sword, be the commisar

[tranquil badge]

I love sienna in vt2

Unchained for days

Can’t wait for fourth class in five years

[wicked marsh]

it says every second and third salvo but is that like charge shots or what

[tranquil badge]

I’m hoping lore of metal sienna

[tranquil badge]

Only primary fire iirc

[supple skiff]

telekinetic is my fav psyker school so I'm a little miffed that its the first one we got, probably won't get much better. Hopefully biomancy doesn't get shit on

that said I saw a reddit post of some data mined info, other 3 archetypes have mentioned classes, we do not. But, there are some abilities mentioned that seemed to be along the lines of damage reducing domes and things like that

[tranquil badge]

The other archetypes have mentioned classes?

[supple skiff]

in the files yeah

[tranquil badge]

Do you remember where you saw that I’d love to peak

Oooo

Man i always forget we can do that

[supple skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zog3ud/datamined_classes/

can't speak to any sort of accuracy here as I know sweet kark all about data mining but it seems to check out

ogryn and vet are exactly what you would expect

info on psyker seems a cross between some telekine and biomancy stuff

[clear heath]

Oh voidstrike is here

I have been wondering this for days.
How did you use ascendant blaze without the warp charges getting consumed?

[bleak tulip]

uhh

no clue

[clear heath]

wtf

i can't replicate it

[bleak tulip]

when in doubt, meat grinder buggyness

feel free to bug report it if you want I guess, I didnt even notice at the time

[tranquil badge]

I was just reading this glad we found the same thing

[clear heath]

I just wanted to figure out how to do it.
If AB didn't cost warp charges, i'd probably try using it

Not that it's very good, but the other feats in the column aren't great either so...

[young summit]

guys, your not supposed to succumb to the warp.

[wooden saffron]

need a group to do the brain burst challenge

[sinful robin]

#vox-lfg-nasa

[feral crater]

or emea or apac or microsoft. Not everyone is american <_<

[supple skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zokr5a/team/

cracked me up

[sinful robin]

first one that popped up. im not amer either.

[wooden saffron]

need a group for psyker brain burst challenge message me

[ancient pendant]

Looking for a group that'll help me complete Pick and mix, just dm me

[shut thorn]

Only took 300 hours

I can uninstall now

[white cedar]

Re-blessing Update :

[dim cradle]

rebless this mess

[wooden saffron]

need group for psyker brain burst challenge message me

[stark snow]

The dream

[shut thorn]

its my third ever deflector sword btw

and i got two today, the first one i got during preorder beta

[supple skiff]

holy terra thats a nice sword

[grave bobcat]

Noice

[supple skiff]

what are the stats on it?

[shut thorn]

Good luck other people, I'm free of the curse :)

[grave bobcat]

I want shred and slaughterer 😦

[shut thorn]

not gr8 but idc, I only care about the blessings

[supple skiff]

thats fair

[grave bobcat]

Same problem diff blessings lol

[vivid merlin]

i got my first deflector yesterday after 200 hours too

then it turns out I don't like it and I'm back on chainsword

[wooden saffron]

30 psyker lfg malleus monstronum penance

[stark snow]

I’ve had mine for a while but it’s t1 shred would much rather have slaughter but it seems to be a rare roll as well

[dim cradle]

what are folks' favorite dueling swords? 🤺 I'm liking the Maccabian Mk 5 right now, but I haven't messed with too many 🤔

[grave bobcat]

My favourite DS is no DS 😄

[supple skiff]

im just stockpiling things with one of the rolls I like. Don't know what crafitng is going to look like, but until I hit max inv idc

[shut thorn]

The one I'll use to attack whoever made the chance for deflector so low

(real life)

[wooden saffron]

30 psyker lfg malleus monstronum penance

[shut thorn]

I am so glad I can actually play normally now instead of spamming stuff 24/7

[dim cradle]

Normally as in using melee more now that you have deflector?

[grave bobcat]

scrolls for 2 mins to find the wep we want

[wooden saffron]

30 psyker lfg malleus monstronum penance

[shut thorn]

Normally as in I don't have to run surge combat blade to finish missions as fast as possible for plasteel/diamantine/gifts

That was genuinely soul draining

[shut thorn]

ask in ogryn or smth, higher chance of help, don't be so formal either

[vital bough]

Yeah like I enjoy surge and think it's fun but holy shit I do get a bit tired of just holding RMB and spamming LMB all game.

[shut thorn]

combat blade and surge is worse

it's genuinely soul draining

but it's the optimal way

[dim cradle]

Optimal for speed completing?

[shut thorn]

thank fuck that surge rmb can sprint

[shut thorn]

yes to get all the mats and finish mission within 10min

you don't need to kill any enemies, just stun and run past

[wooden saffron]

30 psyker lfg malleus monstronum penance need a group

[dim cradle]

Does that work on difficulty 4 and 5 as well, i.e. can one clutch games like that? Curious 🤔

[dull cedar]

how do I play lighting staff without blinding myself

[supple skiff]

not wrong lol

[shut thorn]

you need 2 psykers running the same thing minimum for t4, t5 not happening unless u got the whole team set up for it

sedition is ideal for plasteel, malice is ideal for diamantite and plasteel

malice might take like 6 min more time so unless u have another psyker running same loadout, its not worth it

[grave bobcat]

I avoid doing that cause I'd burn out wayyy too fast 🥲

[vital bough]

Still blows my mind how they make it more efficient to run lower difficulty runs fast to get plasteel lmao

[shut thorn]

I think around 120 or so hours of my playtime is just doing that

its soul draining

[grave bobcat]

To be fair

[wooden saffron]

30 psyker lfg malleus monstronum penance need a group

[supple skiff]

I only recently hit the plasteel bottle neck

shit sucks

[grave bobcat]

I'm impressed by the commitment lol

[shut thorn]

I transfer my curse to you, have fun

[supple skiff]

malice is already pretty easy

the thought of doing tier 1 or 2 is ehhh

[shut thorn]

its not that it's easy, it's that you do it within like 8-14 min

consistently

[vital bough]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum
Read up the rules, then post in the LFG channels there. You'll get people quicker and more often.

[supple skiff]

sounds like you'd want a premade

[wooden saffron]

i have been nobody is messaging me

[shut thorn]

the maps are becoming a blur for me but, the prison(?) one imo is best

[vital bough]

Yeah then you're probably not gonna get many people either way

[supple skiff]

bad time for the discord-

[wooden saffron]

these penances are so bs they are so anti gameplay

[supple skiff]

chats are pretty slow right now

[shut thorn]

I would help if I didn't feel incredibly disgusted towards spending even a minute more of my time on darktide atm

But you're better off asking ogryn chat

[supple skiff]

I like them all save the desert looking one

that one section where the enemies can shoot through the floors pisses me off to no end

[shut thorn]

im talking abt time, the enforcer station one seems to be the fastest cuz its the only one i got sub 10 minutes consistently on

[supple skiff]

ah gotcha

[shut thorn]

and it has very predictable mat and scripture positions

[vital bough]

That's the general consensus for Malleus Monstroum iirc.
That and the kamikazi penance. They both require you to go out of your way and organize a group to help you do it, you literally cannot do it on your on, except for the kamikazi one if you're insanely lucky with spawns for elites.

[supple skiff]

I don't think Ill bother doing speed runs. don't want to turn the game into work

[shut thorn]

dont

I'm done w/ darktide for a bit now cuz I'm finally done, have everything I wanted

freedom

🥲

[supple skiff]

o7

[teal needle]

👋

[echo parrot]

Assuming I should keep the 8% and roll the unarmored?

[grave bobcat]

I think it 1 shots all unarmored even without that

[echo parrot]

True

[grave bobcat]

Unless including like

[echo parrot]

Head pop orb go brr

[grave bobcat]

Dogs

[long wharf]

the extra damage to unarmored is still good though

[grave bobcat]

for what?

[long wharf]

you don't always get headshots, and that'll help kill things with the AoE blast as well

[shut thorn]

snipers (i think?) are unarmored type

[scarlet barn]

Trying to decide on a voice for the psyker
what one yall recomend?

[grave bobcat]

BB

[shut thorn]

voidstrike lmb

[grave bobcat]

The only things its useful for

Snipers/Bombers

[long wharf]

reaper heads are unarmored

[shut thorn]

i went french cuz the other two options scare me

[long wharf]

sexy french void FTW

[scarlet barn]

is the french one the "dream" one?

[shut thorn]

you either pick a drug addict polish person or a living potato

[shut thorn]

oh idk the male ones

dont remember

[scarlet barn]

im a lady psyker

[formal ether]

This should be pretty close to ideal for a high difficulty surge staff, right?

[grave bobcat]

Reaper heads are unyielding

no?

[shut thorn]

im not sure which one, most ppl run french

[vital bough]

Have you by chance tried this build out for Psyker?

lvl 4 Warp Nexus on a staff (25% crit chance at max) + lvl 4 Shred (5% crit chance on hit, 5 stacks max for 25%)

[shut thorn]

shame warp flurry is busted

[vital bough]

Supposedly it'd add up to 25% crit

[scarlet barn]

does that one yell worship me or die?

allot?

[formal ether]

aw 😦

[shut thorn]

nah french one wont stfu abt enforcers

[teal cargo]

Loner Psyker gang

[scarlet barn]

the savent
got it

[scarlet barn]

i played one up to level 5 but she says allot of heretical stuff that i feel would get her shot

[teal needle]

Savant is a cop

[shut thorn]

probably at some point

[teal cargo]

She does!

[formal ether]

But when they fix it, should be good overall? Unless I can swap out Shred instead?

[teal cargo]

and gets away with it too 😆

[shut thorn]

if they fix it*

[formal ether]

I mean, known bug, should be fixed "soon(tm)"

[shut thorn]

fatshark

[scarlet barn]

I heard the Seer talks to the god emperor as "my beloved"

that true?

[teal cargo]

but we all basically cannon fodder so i guess do as you please

yea

[shut thorn]

one of them does

but ive heard my frenchie say it too

when she isnt going off about

"ThE EnFoRCeRs"

[teal cargo]

Loners the only one thas not drinking the kool aid on the Imperium

[scarlet barn]

Honestly i wana pick between the seer or the loner

[pine iris]

one time I played laspistol psyker and now I live in a van down by the river

[bright river]

bloodthirsty is an amazing blessing on a force sword 😮

you get like 7 seconds of 100% crit on all attacks

[teal cargo]

👀

[spice oar]

loners accents are done very well, and his ult lines are INCOMPARABLE

[shut thorn]

also

[scarlet barn]

is there anywhere with a rip of all the voice lines

[shut thorn]

7x (4x) Psyker Staff

number in () is current

[spice oar]

you want 3 more staffs?

[shut thorn]

3x (1x) Force Sword

[spice oar]

same

[shut thorn]

no these are how many

are in the files

they might be skins though

[spice oar]

dont say that

[shut thorn]

dude got cia'd

[pine iris]

new psyker feat: possess enemies, they fight for you. coming next patch.

[spice oar]

ive seen the supposed leaks again tho

[shut thorn]

one of the leaked swords ended up being a skin

[spice oar]

how does that even happen bruh

[shut thorn]

worse thing is its RMT bundle skin

[long wharf]

easy - people don't really understand what they're datamining

[pine iris]

I posessed a beast of nurgle and now we just chill

[scarlet barn]

that would be cool
you brain burst a mob and they turn on the others

[long wharf]

the visual effect around the enemy's head while you possess them will be a giant red target symbol

[shut thorn]

@pine iris game files have references to a psyker having force field and being a 'protectorate'

[sonic aspen]

New Psyker power you forcefully uninstall darktide from your teammates computers

[scarlet barn]

I wish people would not shoot my brain burst target

TwT

[simple junco]

inb4 teammates can still target the possessed and your vet gets trigger happy

[pine iris]

stop crushing my hopes and dreams

[shut thorn]

wdym new

we had that in betas

[charred estuary]

I have levelled psyker to 30 and have never seen a force sword in the shop, it's the only melee I wanted to try. I have seen only a handful of others using it in ~80 hours. what gives? the shop is weighted towards certain weapons?

[shut thorn]

we literally were able to corrupt windows

[long wharf]

no, you're just really unlucky

[shut thorn]

they took our powers away

[sonic aspen]

The warp is taking over my pc

[pine iris]

pre-emptively uninstalling DarkTide and walking away

[scarlet barn]

Oh whats max level on weapons? 400+ something

[long wharf]

psyker is the worst class for trying to get the weapons you want in the shop

our pool is really diluted with garbage

[plucky remnant]

Psyker Force Sword with Bloodthirsty and the blessing that lets you block bullet sounds like the most lovely weapon

[shut thorn]

why tho

[simple junco]

Unless you're a gun psyker somehow

[scarlet barn]

lame

[pine iris]

I cant be that level of support

that's healer stuff

[sonic aspen]

We need more force swords or force weapons in general

[long wharf]

we need less guns

[simple junco]

FS alt kill should give us a stack of WC

[long wharf]

yes it should

[teal needle]

Gunker*

[bright river]

just crafted this, feels amazing in the psykarium

[shut thorn]

no lol it's warrior of sigmar stuff

[vital bough]

I wish

[scarlet barn]

I just want a sword with good cleave

[shut thorn]

theres lots of references to chain lightning

[bright river]

the fact that it's a 100% crit chance for quite a while, and not just next attack

[shut thorn]

and throwing knives

[plucky remnant]

Give me that

[long wharf]

that looks pretty good

[shut thorn]

it's prob a paladin subclass

[vital bough]

Holy shit I didn't know Bloodthirsty is a blessing.

I'd love that.

[bright river]

you can have 100% crit for as long as you want if you throw in a speical once in a while

it lasts over 5 seconds

[long wharf]

waiiiiiiiit a minute!

100% crit chance with blazing spirit

[plucky remnant]

How many melee blessings are there?

[vital bough]

Yeah and you can crit with your special to keep it looping

[sonic aspen]

Meanwhile I have this PoS that I refuse to upgrade

[charred estuary]

i legit thought that the regular swords just had to be activated with a button to use force sword mode since I saw 0 indication of it being available in the shop

[bright river]

oh man, that'd could be sick combo

with a blazing spirit

[long wharf]

with the force sword's light attack speed, you could attack soulblaze stupid fast

[simple junco]

Wait, yeah that would be great

[long wharf]

and each crit would be 2 stacks

talk about a boss killer

[bright river]

you can get in 11 light attack crits

with blood thirsty

[vital bough]

A Force Sword crit with 70%-ish damage and 60% finesse (my Force Sword) can literally one-shot just about everything other than Ogryn's on Damnation.

[teal cargo]

Bloodthirsty broken?

[simple junco]

If you want to maximize Ascendant Blaze, attack something twice and let the 4 stacks finish it off it looks like

[teal cargo]

5s of 100% crits sounds crazy

[long wharf]

not broken

I'm hoping we get to wholesale replace or reroll both blessings on a weapon

[simple junco]

If only the FS alt counted as a BB, then you could proc the aoe soulflame feat with your melee

[vital bough]

Can you see if you 1 shot a Mutant in the Meatgrinder at Damnation with that?
Really curious, since my stats are just a bit lower for my Force Sword and a crit just barely doesn't kill it already.

[long wharf]

I really don't want this to go to waste

[teal cargo]

rip

[shut thorn]

veteran is the main character

[bright river]

2,7k weakspot, 3,6k weakspot crit

[long wharf]

always was

[bright river]

so you could one shot with brainburst stacks

and a crit

[shut thorn]

ik, this is just confirming it outright

[vital bough]

The AOE soulflame feat for BB is kinda just flat bad though. Even half the time you proc it, there's just about nobody standing around the person you BB to get stacks on.

Not only that, but it's only 2 stacks of SoulBlaze so it's probably less than 5 damage a second with 2 stacks.

[teal cargo]

so crits do like 33% more dmg?

[novel blade]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/MARwk9o04HvOX/d133798VlyeY?invite=cr-MSxIazksMTMwNzM3OTQ5LA

[vital bough]

Depends on your finesse, if no finesse then I have no clue

[long wharf]

I'm jumping into damnation meat grinder now

[vital bough]

You can see in the bottom-middle, it's showing how it effects crits with finesse

[simple junco]

This is more or less in regards to a potential melee psyker flame build IF it did act as a BB

[teal cargo]

well clearly this isnt doing 2x the dmg on crit 🤔

[long wharf]

no, it's definitely not 2x on crit

[vital bough]

It depends on your finesse modifier %

[teal cargo]

its not even doing 1.5x

which is as low as it can go

[bright river]

yeah, I can one shot, with 6 stacks

[subtle linden]

mk v5 axe enjoyers x up

[white cedar]

"6 stacks" ;w;

[subtle linden]

[vital bough]

I was more or less asking if the Force Sword alt-attack heavy will one shot while it crits, but that's still solid

[bright river]

without any warp charges

[vital bough]

Force Sword alt-charge only usually hits for like 1600 for my sword without a crit tho

[teal cargo]

how much with a crit?

[night marten]

one of the better choices, unless you're running KO+AB purge build or gun psyker with flayer

[grave bobcat]

weakspot

[vital bough]

no, that's white damage, not weakspot.

[teal cargo]

do you do 3200 on weakspot hit?

[spring nest]

has surge staff been fixed yet?

[sick kindle]

👀

[grave bobcat]

And im saying

It will hit more on weakspot

lol

[long wharf]

at 6 warp charges, I'm not one-shotting a mutatnt on damnation

hitting the weakspot isn't showing an increase in damage by much

but I have yet to crit it in the weakspot

[vital bough]

1696 dmg on weakpsot

[night marten]

got this sorted out last night

[edgy heart]

What yall run at 15? The one that gives charges from team kills?

[long wharf]

warp flurry doesn't work right now

[spring nest]

does anyone know if the surge staff is still broken

[night marten]

rip, well I'm more concerned with nexus, and hopefully they'll fix flurry

[vital bough]

let's hope that when they 'fix' flurry that it doesn't 'fix' nexus too o__o

I hope Warp Nexus working with melee is intended, please.

[bright river]

1 special heavy crit on a reaper, kinda sucks

[long wharf]

of course it isn't supposed to

[night marten]

if you're level 15, that's a good choice with a group that stays in coherency (e.g. a premade), but communion is always a pretty safe choice too

[vital bough]

Well I don't know. Some effects have (while weapon active) which implies that they need to clarify between effects that are working while the weapon with the effect is active, and effects that don't.

They don't fucking tell us lol

[long wharf]

"they need to clarify" - story of FatDev's life

and yeah, I'm seeing crit damage be about 30%

what the fuck... hitting a poxhound with special heavy on the head

1614 consistently

with no warp charges

[vital bough]

Yeah while I've been testing it, it seems like the 'Finesse' modifier only works on your normal light and heavy attacks. It doesn't seem to work for your Alt-Fire on the Force Sword.

[long wharf]

1608 with one warp charge

[vital bough]

Cause this is a direct 2x damage bonus

if you look at the finesse modifier in the inspection screen for weapons

You'll actually see that it only says "light and heavy attack damage"

So I'm pretty sure that's how it's acting

[long wharf]

which means finesse is pointless for special attacks

[vital bough]

Yes

[long wharf]

sigh

[night marten]

had a post for this....

ah here it is:

'seems like you're only getting a mild benefit out of significantly higher finesse and first target stats on FS special here'

[long wharf]

1593 damage at 4 warp charges

[shut thorn]

Anyone here hoping fatshark doesn't ditch their plan of a dedicated "paladin" psyker spec

I really want it

[long wharf]

1582 damage at 6 warp charges

what the ever loving fuck is going on

so the force sword special does less damage the more warp charges you have

[vital bough]

Sanctioned Psyker

[night marten]

I would be super down with a paladin spec, but that might make more sense on zealot right?

[shut thorn]

It's called "Psyker Protectorate" in the files

[shut thorn]

Zealot can't conjure a forcefield

[lost breach]

What height should I be

[long wharf]

and a special light attack on the poxhound's body is doing 1701

[shut thorn]

tall = intimidate vets
short = funny spots

[night marten]

the damage difference might be completely explained by the 'first target' stat difference

[vital bough]

Yeah I was just referring to the Imperium's use of Sanctioned Psykers, technically if you were an enforcer for you psyker backstory you were already a Sanctioned Psyker.

But yeah a paladin psyker that whispers to the beloved is cool lol

[supple skiff]

loner is also sactioned

[long wharf]

a special heavy attack is doing 1660

[shut thorn]

which one is loner again, irish or polish

[supple skiff]

uh, I thought it was german

def not irish lol

[shut thorn]

ok so the polish one

[bright river]

was your peril at the same level when testing this?

[supple skiff]

most of the voice lines make it seem they're rouge

but there's one, which I've only heard once that claims they were soulbound

[long wharf]

no, but I'm not using the feat for increased damage based on peril, either

[supple skiff]

or at least heavily implies it

[lost breach]

Loner is the crazy megalomaniac, savant is the brooding contemplative one, seer is the crazy one who thinks they're dreaming

[bright river]

it works for all FS attack though, I believe

so it's great to run with it

[lost breach]

Does anyone know if backstory choices affect the dialog that shows up?

[supple skiff]

I think the loner voices have different accents based on sex

[lost breach]

Like what planet you were on, your defining moment and such

[formal ether]

it influences specific interactions yes

[long wharf]

sure, but for testing purposes, you want to remove as many modifiers as possible

[west canopy]

What are people's thoughts on the Voidstrike force staff? I know the flamethrower and force lightning ones are popular but whenever I try them they feel super underwhelming, the Voidstrike feels like its got a good punch to it imo

[supple skiff]

void is great

[shut thorn]

void is most popular actually lol

[long wharf]

in fact, I just turned off all my feats except the kinetic barrage at lvl 30

[formal ether]

Void hits hard with a big AOE

[west canopy]

Oh, really? Everything I see online talks up literally every other staff lol

[supple skiff]

if you position well you can really down hordes

[west canopy]

Cool, Ive been digging it so far cuz firing it off at head level just blows hordes to pieces

[formal ether]

exactly, if you can line up on an incoming line of enemies, you can blast the crap out of all of them

[shut thorn]

void is most fun (if you have the most minimum amount of ability to aim)

purg has limited range though

funny thing with purg is that

it can stun daemonhost

[primal aurora]

burn the witch? 😄

[vital bough]

Idk how you're testing but I'm light-attacking a pox-rager with the alt charge.
750 weak spot damage with 0 warp charges, 878 with 4 charges.

[lost breach]

And mutants right

[shut thorn]

ye

but purg has always been able to stun daemonhost with lmb

[lost breach]

Only thing I've ever seen stun a mutant is that lightning

[shut thorn]

whish is unny

cuz surge cant

funny*

[vital bough]

Wait wtf what

I've never heard about this lol

This sounds funny

[shut thorn]

I only learned of it when playing with some russians who've datamined the shit out of the game in order to optimize speedruns

[long wharf]

okay, I think I'm seeing an artifact of how damage numbers are reported

I'm over-killing the poxhound

so because the little damage ticks are stronger, the final damage number is capping to the rest of the hound's health

instead of showing how much damage could have been done, it's showing how much was done, which is always capped to the enemy's health

[vital bough]

Yeah this is why I test on Mutants, pox ragers, and Ogryn for damage #'s

[supple skiff]

big thing with void is that you can actually do something about ranged mobs which the other staffs struggle to do

[shut thorn]

Some stuff people might not be aware of:
Daemonhost is stunnable by purg lmb
Smelter has a very high possibility of spawning 2 scripts in the same room (like 80%)
Shield damage is capped per attack, it's better to use fast attacking weps

[bright river]

So with Bloodthirsty and tier 4 Blazing Spirit, you can get 44 stacks of blazing spirit on a meaty target out of a single special kill. But I guess there will be some non-stated hard cap to how many stacks you can get 😂

[bright river]

because at 44 stacks, the monstrosity would MELT

[long wharf]

I think the max stacks of soulblaze from a single player is 15 on any enemy

[vital bough]

What do you mean 'shield damage'? Like the Chaos Warrior boss with the orange/yellow shield?

[bright river]

that's for the staff, no?

[shut thorn]

yes

[bright river]

Heavy flamer can get more burning max stacks than Infernus for example. So hard to say how many Blazing Spirit can apply max.

[night marten]

it's 16 from purge staff

[long wharf]

well then there you go

[frank moat]

Which room?

[night marten]

I'm not sure if that's limited to just that weapon though

or whether additional stacks can be applied from other sources going above 16

[long wharf]

and FatDevs recently made AB soulblaze stack with purge staff soulblaze stacks

[shut thorn]

First corruption, after you kill it there's a very large room with 3 floors, scriptures almost always spawn on the bottom most floor

Almost always two

[frank moat]

Neat, I’ll keep it in mind

[night marten]

on that note, wonder whether players' soulbaze stacks are entirely independent of each other

[vital bough]

I have an 80% burn Purg (iirc 80% is max for any bar) and it's 15 stack for it

[shut thorn]

yes they are

atleast from AB F

[vital bough]

Just for reference

[night marten]

nice, well good to know 15 is the best I can get for now

[grave bobcat]

Using this it doesn't seem to have a stack limit

Sword might do the same

🤷

[vital bough]

Or, it at least kills stuff before it gets to the stack limit lol.

[night marten]

yea KO behaves kind of weird in the limited testing I did with it

it's absolutely part of my main blaze build now

[grave bobcat]

Doing it on crusher cause he takes 0 dmg from it 😛

[vital bough]

The Blazing Soul blessing for swords have a max stack limit stated in the blessing, but not for the staffs.

[grave bobcat]

Aww

[fair axle]

Sword one specifically says max 10 stacks

[grave bobcat]

Didn't know 😦

[night marten]

to be fair, 8 stacks kills a rager on damn

[grave bobcat]

Never seen the damn sword blessing

[long wharf]

huh, your 80% burn has the same stats as my 79% burn

[grave bobcat]

Cause I wanted to try it lol

[night marten]

so on anything but ogryn's that's going to melt

[fair axle]

10 Stacks are still some.. 180dmg/s

[long wharf]

screenshot that please

[vital bough]

Still melts ogryn's, just not crushers with carapace.

[fair axle]

That's because the variances between for purgatus are so minor

[night marten]

yea they just have so much more hp, but you're right

[grave bobcat]

ik but I want more 😢

[vital bough]

Blazing Spirit on both melee and staff for comparison

[long wharf]

interesting, thanks

[fair axle]

Good luck! Since they've acknowledge the bug I threw at them with all the perks of Psykers both non-working and working ones that really should be on all staffs.. We may actually get Surge and Purgatus with.. gasp drumroll... worthwhile blessings

Wouldn't it be nice if that Purgatus would also apply.. Soulblaze.

[long wharf]

I suppose I should level this up, then

[fair axle]

Or Surge staff that Surged... Twice

[vital bough]

Blazing Spirit on a Warp Nexus Purgatus staff actually really sounds nice.

[fair axle]

Warp Nexus doesn't work

[long wharf]

it belongs on the purge staff

warp flurry doesn't

warp nexus does

[fair axle]

No, it does nto

[grave bobcat]

Makin me wanna play my psyker reading this

[vital bough]

Warp Flurry doesn't work

Warp Nexus is crit %

[fair axle]

Warp Nexus is the crit right?

[long wharf]

warp nexus is the increasing crit chance based on peril

[fair axle]

It does not work

Well, it does

It gives melee crit

[long wharf]

warp flurry is faster charging on chained secondary, which no staff does

[night marten]

we should be able to favorite weapons in the list

[fair axle]

You may test Warp Nexus yourself, it's been confirmed to give melee crit chance, not ranged 😛

[vital bough]

I'm testing it right now with this:

[bright river]

meh, 10 stacks suck, would rather keep deflector then

[vital bough]

Getting crits right now

in meatgrinder

[long wharf]

alright folks, suffer with me

[grave bobcat]

gl

[fair axle]

Put this way.. I have a Warp Nexus Purgatus staff and a non-version and the DPS to kill a Reaper is the exact same.

[bright river]

it can probably go higher than 10, if you get a tier 4 Blazing Spirit

[fair axle]

If Warp Nexus did work, it'd have a higher DPS

[night marten]

one more shot

[fair axle]

But if I swap to my force sword.. It does more dmg than without Warp Nexus buff..

[long wharf]

well hello there

[night marten]

EYYY

[vestal finch]

YEEES!

[white cedar]

danggggg

[long wharf]

I have my new shield sword

[vestal finch]

Made me smile

[long wharf]

now to roll +5% melee crit chance on the perk

[white cedar]

all you need is rebless

[vestal finch]

A journey in 4 images

[vital bough]

Idk exactly what you're trying to say, as it's worded very confusing, but it's as simple as going in the meatgrinder, and shooting with your staff and seeing how often the yellow crit numbers pop up.

It very clearly pops up more often towards 100% peril, on both the staff and melee.

[long wharf]

should I keep infested enemy damage?

[vital bough]

Idk if you're saying that the crit damage itself is low or not, but I know for a fact that Warp Nexus does indeed increase your chance of critting universally (barring your BrainBurst)

[vestal finch]

Do you struggle with hounds and hordes? Those are infested

[night marten]

eh, obviously breakpoint dependent, but would go with flak or maniac personally

[fair axle]

Did I not just say.. I have a Warp Nexus Purgatus Staff and Purgatus without.. They have the exact same DPS

407

[long wharf]

struggle? not necessarily, but I'll keep it

[simple junco]

What about soulblaze damage?

[white cedar]

let's hope they update rebless in early Q1

[long wharf]

wait, I should roll block efficiency on this

[vital bough]

I'm not sure if you're struggling with reading comprehension or not, but I've never once been arguing over dps, simply if it helps crit or not.

It is a simple fact that you can go see the yellow crit numbers pop up more with a Warp Nexus staff. I'm not arguing damage, or what staff it helps on or whether it's worth it or not, simply if it actually helps you crit more, and it does.

[white cedar]

I saw phyker tanking Reaper like a chad

[twilit trench]

Ayone else got the problem to get the mission-pennance for the psyker because one mission is not showing up at all? >.<

[white cedar]

peri block is that op?

[stark snow]

I think Ashreon's point is that more crits would yield more dps

so if they do enough DPS comparisons and they come out roughly the same it would indicate that its not working

[long wharf]

peril block with a non-force sword is amazing

peril block with a force sword with deflector can be clutch

[stark snow]

tbh, I think just needs a large sample size of data to confirm imo and a good method of doing it

[simple junco]

Just in case this wasn't completely answered, is that crits apply an extra stack of Soulblaze, which increases your DPS inherently.

[near wyvern]

Force sword has unlimited dodges

[long wharf]

but you can't do it forever like you can with an axe

[near wyvern]

As well

[fair axle]

bingo.. more crits, the game would give your more dps after killing a mon.

[long wharf]

if we could name weapons, I'd call this "Bulwark"

[vital bough]

I'm not discussing dps on a specific staff being tested on an unkown mob.

I'm not discussing damage numbers, or what the dps should be.

It is as simple as taking a warp nexus staff in, getting to high peril, and testing it in the Meatgrinder.

If you don't see the clear increase in crits then you may be in color blind mode.

[white cedar]

"mini ogryn"

[shut thorn]

Guys, a couple of my friends got deflector via upgrading, I think deflector is time specific off of how the rng works in a large enough bracket

[simple junco]

"The Lil' Un"

[long wharf]

I don't think time has anything to do with simple RNG

[night marten]

time to get a deflector blessing timing cult together

[vital bough]

Also purg is probably the worst example of trying to test dps with Warp Nexus.

Try it on a void, trauma, or surge with lmb and it's so much easier to test and see the results for.

[white cedar]

Fatshark will not do things that complicated

[long wharf]

you'd have to have the results of hundreds of upgrades in a specific timeframe, across hundreds of different timeframes, to even begin to tease that out

[shut thorn]

RNG in IC is almost always time based, it is rarely int addition based

[long wharf]

if you're referring to seed values, that's actually irrelevant

[stark snow]

"clear" would need a reasonable data comparison with a sample size large enough to ensure that distribution differences aren't just RNG. I could have 30% crit and crit half as much as you do with 15% crit over a short period of time.

[grave bobcat]

Seems to work as far as I can tell. My Voidstrike's LMB crits way more often on the staff with Nexus

[shut thorn]

No, I'm not. Go ahead and give an example of RNG that doesn't use time

[long wharf]

because you can't predict if a particular seed value will result in a specific value generated without also looking at hundreds (if not thousands) of tightly controlled tests

[long wharf]

are you a software engineer?

[white cedar]

it take me back when I played RO and they have a cult on Refine timing 😆

[long wharf]

because I am.

[shut thorn]

Yeah I've been programming for abt a decade and some

[echo parrot]

What's Nexus do again?

[long wharf]

have been for over 30 years

[grave bobcat]

Crit chance % peril

[fair axle]

I mean, I'm starting to wonder if you're suffering from a lack of understanding how.. game mechanics in general works.

[long wharf]

seed value isn't everything

you also have to know how many times a value is generated between seeding and the roll you care about

you also have to know what code they have that then modifies the generated values

[vital bough]

Alright guys, you heard it. I'm wrong because I just don't understand game mechanics. Pack it up, everything I said holds no water now.

[long wharf]

just knowing that most people seed a pseudo-random number generator with a clock time value is pointless in a void

[shut thorn]

No one is talking about seed value, RNG fundamentally in IC uses time, there are very few cases of it being some other system

[long wharf]

have you ever looked up the actual C Random algorithm?

[shut thorn]

Darktide is lua

[long wharf]

...

do you think Lua runs in a vacuum?

[frank moat]

God no wonder everyone hates Psykers

[long wharf]

that it's a whole programming language and not a scripting language and runtime environment slapped on top of real executing code?

[shut thorn]

Why are you talking about C when LuaJIT uses epoch time or system runtime for it's math.rand

[dim cradle]

Wait I'm confused, Emma are you suggesting that because RNG is often time based, that more time = higher probability for deflector blessing?

[long wharf]

the algorithm used to generate a pseudo-random number is independent of the seed value people choose

[patent hatch]

Worth upgrading?

[long wharf]

using time as a part of the algorithm itself not only doesn't make any sense, but it'd also lead to value predictability

[echo parrot]

No but anything with syntax like that had to have originated from heretics

[shut thorn]

No there's probably just higher chance to get specific rolls at a certain time, but it's probably not a large enough bracket, I've just noticed that I got two deflectors today, psyker friend got a deflector today and a few people here have gotten a deflector today

[vital bough]

Yeah I know. I'm not just sitting at 100% peril, shooting once, and seeing a crit and going "Wow! It works!"

I've sat here tons on different staffs with Warp Nexus, tested the odds of crit'ing at 0% peril with probably hundreds of shots, and then sat at 100% peril and shot out hundreds of shots. On probably every target in the Meatgrinder at least once or twice.

If you sit 100% peril with a Warp Nexus staff, you clearly see crits pop up more often, on staff and melee.

Just go into the meatgrinder with it, and you'll definitely see it with a lvl 4 Warp Nexus blessing, giving you 25% crit chance in total. It very clearly leans towards an average of every 4 hits being a crit while at 100% peril.

[long wharf]

oh I wholeheartedly agree, I abhor "classless" designs

[dim cradle]

Ahhh gotcha

[long wharf]

so it sounds like you fundamentally don't understand what "random is random" means

you think you've found a pattern when you narrow your scope to "today"

when it didn't happen any other day

to other people

[cedar oak]

my horde-melter, cant wait to roll a useless blessing on it

[long wharf]

keep us posted

[vital bough]

gotta get that quell blessing

[shut thorn]

Yet again, LuaJIT uses epoch time, in specific brackets to determine the outcome, it is incredibly predictable which is why when you make RNG for a game you don't use the builtin math.rand function, do you seriously expect fatshark to consider that

[patent hatch]

GOD ROLLLLLEDDD TRAUMUUUA BABY

[long wharf]

link me a whitepaper.

[patent hatch]

i might have to start using the Trauma staff

[vital bough]

That is juicy. Lets hope you don't get lvl 1 blazing spirit and lvl 1 run'n'gun blessings

[long wharf]

what's the charge rate different between 0 and 80?

it's going to roll transfer peril, just you watch

[patent hatch]

You watch me

[frank moat]

Is there a difference in Run ‘n’ Gun tiers?

[patent hatch]

you want the weakspot one right?

[patent hatch]

yes

[long wharf]

hah, no.

trauma doesn't hit weakspots

[echo parrot]

Guys, this is a psyker class group convo, not a bikeshed channel.

[patent hatch]

no this is a bike shed

[long wharf]

no, this is patrick

[patent hatch]

Eyyy I got warp nexus

nice

[river crest]

it's between 2.50 | 1.00

[echo parrot]

Nobody can say what their RNG implementation truly is without having access to the code that is running server side

[vital bough]

No, this is your insurance company calling you about your cars' extended warranty.

[long wharf]

screenshot that shit

people here need the very slight dopamine drip that comes with seeing decent gear

otherwise we'd all go mad

[vital bough]

I'd love to see a juicy Trauma Staff AoE crit

[vital bough]

Sadge it's only lvl 1

[patent hatch]

JUCIY BABY

[devout belfry]

It's actually an intern manually setting each weapon in each shop. They give him an hour to get it done.

[patent hatch]

Warp nexus doesnt have levels does it not?

[long wharf]

for fuck's sake, that's probably what it is

[vital bough]

Tier 4 gives you 5% per stack for a total of 25%

[crisp storm]

is force sword really that good? why do we use it if the moveset is pretty awful?

[near wyvern]

Code monkey

[patent hatch]

I want

[long wharf]

infinite dodging and tanking

[echo parrot]

Because people love their deflector

[dim cradle]

I got this lil' beaut recently

[devout belfry]

The move set isn't bad. Alt attacks destroys armor, amazing push, infinite dodges, and it has decent damage and cleave.

[patent hatch]

Deflector, Push attack, Quelling on Melee, One shotting Mutants

[patent hatch]

bad burn 😭

[devout belfry]

And you can block bullets. That's cool.

Also it's the only force weapon for melee. And I'm a fucking psyker.

[vital bough]

The moveset isn't entirely awful, you can work with it when you need to.

The main two reasons are:

1. It deals with carapace really well if you're not running Surge
2. It can get Deflector and block ranged attacks for no stamina if paired with peril block feat

[long wharf]

did you see my new force sword I rolled today?

[clear heath]

Push range is also a nice to have

[vital bough]

https://tenor.com/view/astartes-40k-psychic-charge-up-gif-22247024

I just love staring at the crowd of gunners while they shoot at me like this ^

[patent hatch]

Ima drop my biggest flex again just because I can

[echo parrot]

Does the push stagger crushers/shieldy bois?

[cedar oak]

fs gang rise up

[devout belfry]

If you're from Vermintide you can use the first two hits to dispel garbage and the third for a well aimed headshot.

[patent hatch]

idk tbh I dont use it, I am a fellow knife gamer

[vital bough]

Yes. Shields are a little wonky though, but if you shove them from behind they'll sprawl on the floor.

Great for opening them up to your team though

[crisp storm]

does force sword block have a bit of delay? or am I just bad

[devout belfry]

I'm jelly. I'll trade you my surge staff.

[patent hatch]

your bad

[long wharf]

I have a decent surge staff already, no thanks

[devout belfry]

I'm sorry. It's you.

[crisp storm]

understandable

[vital bough]

Do you use a wireless mouse?

[near wyvern]

It's decent.

The special can stun lock a lone bulwark/crusher.

You can kill a mutie with 2 specials (damnation).

The deflector allows you to safely ress under really wild conditions.

It has unlimited dodges.

At the current stats, you can get it to 2 tap light groaners and poxwalker heads and 1 tap them with heavies with the right stats and perks. (damnation)

[devout belfry]

🫂

[vital bough]

Yeah, there's actually a pattern to really use it well in hordes as well.
Light attack, heavy, light light, heavy, light light, heavy, repeat.

[crisp storm]

...yes? but it feels like I can block fine on other characters, so it's probably just me being dum

[cedar oak]

the ressing part is so underrated i have gotten so many clutch resses its madness

[vital bough]

If you genuinely want to cut back on reaction time, there's proven to be a delay on input filtered through wireless devices, at least for most.

[dense wasp]

on a scale 1-10 what do you think?

[clear heath]

No deflector, 0

[vital bough]

Yeah, saving an entire team and them being like "DUDE THANKS" on damnation and getting through it still, feels pretty

[grave bobcat]

What mouse?

[crisp storm]

logi g305

[clear heath]

should be fine

[vital bough]

Yeah shouldn't be too much of an issue then

[clear heath]

logitech's gaming mice don't really have any wireless latency

[near wyvern]

Wrong. They have, but the wireless polling rate is 1000Hz which is the maximum USB allows so it's the exact same delay as a wired one.

[grave bobcat]

I don't have the same mouse, but it uses the same logitech wireless so mouse latency isn't the issue 🙂

[clear heath]

sorry, i meant no latency above a wired one

[vital bough]

Yeah I just hate wireless devices for gaming for that exact reason though. Even with high end stuff I feel like there's still a 0.1 second delay compared to wired inputs.

Probably a personal thing but whatever lol

[grave bobcat]

Closer to 0.01s

[dim cradle]

Um, Actually...

[grave bobcat]

A delay you literally cannot notice yourself

[clear heath]

I remember a few years ago with logi showing their latency compared to the top wired mice at the time and actually winning, in a crowded convention with a bunch of livestreams going around for maximum interference

[patent hatch]

Aight best trauma staff build go

[clear heath]

I've heard razer's wireless mice are also up to par now too. idk about other brands

[patent hatch]

I cant choose

[vital bough]

yeah I haven't tried wireless anything in probably 5+ years so if it's genuinely gotten that well made I might give it a whack

[patent hatch]

I use a wirelesss mouse

best purchase ever

wireless head phones are eh

[vital bough]

Yeah I'm just an old fuck with wired stuff, hated wireless back when everything wireless had a delay to it

[patent hatch]

Good for traumua staff?

[river crest]

peril resistance <.<

[clear heath]

Oh, i found a video of it. It was at pax comparing logitech's wireless with razer's wired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7EZ2vx9LQ

[patent hatch]

true

[near wyvern]

311111

[patent hatch]

ima go play some damnation with my new god rolled traumua

just out of principle

[vital bough]

I thank the gamer at Logitech that was like "Aight I need to fix this latency shit for the homies"

[clear heath]

I've also seen mice reviews where people have tested latency with their own setups with good results

[patent hatch]

Warp battery and quicken seem like a bad idea

espically quicken

[near wyvern]

Spam staff for daysss

[shadow horizon]

Is it just go for Kinetic Flayer, or is the extra warp charges the basic go to?

[patent hatch]

Kinetic flayer is go to

[shadow horizon]

Gotcha, thanksies

[near wyvern]

I mean you can go kinetic flayer obviously but since you are going trauma you might as well meme all the way

[harsh cobalt]

kinda torn on the trauma staff. On one hand it's super awkward, and needs charging up some way to be useful most of the time. On the other - watching blood and giblets fly into the stratosphere when it kills something is too entertaining

[patent hatch]

I mean

I got a 380 one

[shadow horizon]

Am I going trauma? I usually use surge, haha

[patent hatch]

so I have to use it

[near wyvern]

Obviously

[patent hatch]

thats the best

[shadow horizon]

Ahh. I only just hit 25, so I don't really have a good trauma staff yet

[near wyvern]

I got a 379 Mk IV lasgun so I became a gun psyker for a couple days

[patent hatch]

its a shit staff do not use it xd

[near wyvern]

It's what the Omnissiah wills

[patent hatch]

Im memeiing hard

[shadow horizon]

so is Kinetic flayer actually the go to or was that also meme lol

[river crest]

trauma would be an okay CC staff if it just had lower peril generation

[frank moat]

Wait it’s 50 peril to use a single charged blast??

[harsh cobalt]

yeah, peril generation on trauma seems way too high. Can do so much more on one full peril bar with my voidstrike I feel

[river crest]

yep

[near wyvern]

Try 221113

Trauma does kill easily so I wonder if 10% toughness on warp attack kill is any worth

[harsh cobalt]

trauma needs like 30% lower peril generation, if not higher reduction

[river crest]

or like 44

[patent hatch]

no that was serious

[clear heath]

Wait, trauma kills enemies?

crazy

[stark snow]

I never tested it personally, I had just always assumed warp nexus worked as it stated. I was clarifying what I thought they were trying to get at by saying their DPS is the same with both weapons. I wasn't aware your testing method was reasonably thorough, and I do agree purg is the worst way to test via dps because of the crit multiplier being shit. But I did just check for myself a bit and it does appear to be working.

[river crest]

it kills hordes

[near wyvern]

Yes you can kill 2 or 3 with every cast.

With Void you can only get 30.

[harsh cobalt]

problem is it needs to be charged up to kill good, but it kills very well. And amount of gore it produces makes it so worth just for a laugh

[stark snow]

your tests were probably more thorough than mine tbh, but always like to get a feel myself.

[grave bobcat]

I also find its working 🙂

[near wyvern]

Ppl who say warp nexus is shit on purge have no idea every crit applies 2 stacks instead of 1 and those stacks scale exponentially in damage.

[patent hatch]

im try quiettude

[pure lion]

i feel like the most obvious pyschic ability they dont have available, and could give to a future psycher subclass, is the ability to dominate an elite and make them fight on your side

[near wyvern]

That's too safe

You gotta meme harder

[stark snow]

It's not like your missing out on anything super great by rolling warp nexus on a purg anyway

in terms of other blessings that could take its place

focused channeling kinda nice qol but its not super required imo

[dim cradle]

Yea, purge with warp nexus is 🔥 🔥 🔥

[near wyvern]

Try focused channeling on damnation. A good way to get killed.