psyker-class

[long osprey]

Even if the adds are packed

[vital bough]

Yeah 3m is very short tbh

[simple junco]

It's fairly suboptimal to the peril resistance, but it's definitely usable if you assassinate

[vital bough]

It's not a huge range

so it maybe hits 1 person on average and 2 or 3 people on its best hits

and its only 2 stacks of soulblaze

which is like, 4 damage lmfao

[long osprey]

Hehe

[vital bough]

not very worth

[orchid nacelle]

i prefer that one that applies 4 stacks of soulblaze to a random nearby enemy, prioritising elites

[simple junco]

But it does set you up for better damage when you start a purgatus burst

[orchid nacelle]

it means that overcapped warp charges aren't wasted

[simple junco]

I really tried to like that one. Dropped it for 6 stacks instead

[orchid nacelle]

that's my favourite one to run

[long osprey]

What’s the damage for 4 stacks of soul blaze?

[orchid nacelle]

you gain warp charges pretty reliably quickly with purgatus, ascendant blaze, and the 4% chance to gain a warp charge

[simple junco]

Like around 20-ish

[vital bough]

Yeah, at 4 stacks every proc of Kinetic Overload on a Bulwark Ogryn on Damnation:
4 stacks = 21
8 stacks = 76
12 stacks = 153
16 stacks = 240
20 stacks = 326
(This could possibly stack higher but I can't test in the meatgrinder as everything dies before I can proc it more than 5 times)

[primal aurora]

what are advantages of purge staff over Void?

[orchid nacelle]

better area control

worse range

way better suppression

[simple junco]

Area control, enhances your ult, and does good work clearing hordes in tight spaces

If you run suppression, you're keeping your team safe as well

[orchid nacelle]

that too, there's literally no reason not to use ascendant blaze if you're using purge staff

they are like peanut butter and jelly together

[long osprey]

Void is nice to get those ranged mobs at distance since you can clip their heads even if they are hiding

But some maps seem too small to make it worthwhile

[simple junco]

Void does fall off at T4-5 if you don't have a good roll, though

Same could be said about Purgatus, too

[orchid nacelle]

i've started using the trauma staff recently

it feels like it's really good at killing ragers

[long osprey]

Do the damage is constant across the radius?

[orchid nacelle]

no there's an epicentre

[abstract frigate]

Dang, apparently 3 warp stack psykinetic wrath isn't enough to kill a pox walker on difficulty 1. I now understand why people don't use soulblaze stuff. You need max stacks minimum to even kill poxwalkers, let alone anything else with your F.

[orchid nacelle]

where it does more

[simple junco]

Soulblaze stacks on itself

[orchid nacelle]

i've been using trauma on t4 and t5 with a 25% maniacs damage roll and it absolutely obliterates them

they barely register

[long osprey]

I’ll give the trauma staff a chance I guess

[simple junco]

That's definitely an upside from the purgatus

[long osprey]

It’s harder to use I find

[orchid nacelle]

yeah it needs a mother's touch

it's very finnicky

[simple junco]

The only things I can't easily stun are ragers and poxbursters with a purgatus

(It's finnicky)

[vital bough]

Void is stronger without feats to support, but has no feats in the class to truly work into the staff. That said, it has a really high damage output while still hitting a huge amount of enemies in a crowd, while still giving you long range damage that can even work really well against Carapace.

Purg has a few really good feats that can truly effect its build, has good crowd control in choke points and can singlehandedly hold hordes of poxwalkers and dregs by itself. Though it does really struggle against carapace since soulblaze does fuck-all damage. Even at 15 stacks (an 80% burn purgatus staff) it only ticks for less than 20 damage a second on a crusher. But on anything else that has flak, or is unarmored, it can tick for numbers of 200+ a second.

[cyan notch]

where do u aim with bulwarks half the time they dont open up or it doesnt seem to do any damage

[orchid nacelle]

for bulkwarks i just bb

[vital bough]

The advantage of Void is probably that you can kit your feats into truly supporting your team while still having a good damage staff for hordes

[orchid nacelle]

tbh

[simple junco]

Always just BB for bulwarks/crushers

[vital bough]

I like the FS alt-charge

[simple junco]

Opens up their shield

And stuns crushers + gives positive ammo to the vet who will inevitably dome it with a bolter

[cyan notch]

crushers are easy with trauma

im just wondering how to use it against bulwarks

[orchid nacelle]

bulwarks get the bb

simple as

i don't think i've ever even tried to use the trauma blast on them

[vital bough]

If you have a Force Sword, and you want to open up a Bulwark for 4% peril, you can actually dodge behind it, and shove-attack it and it'll fling itself open to the rest of your team. It should die pretty quickly after that

[cyan notch]

well thats what what trauma is supposed to do right deal with mixed hordes well

[tropic pollen]

not my trauma staff getting blamed for us wiping in a t4 because we got caught in the open by shooters and shotgunners on all sides while bogged down by a horde

[vital bough]

Did you have zealots and vets?

[orchid nacelle]

it's good at that but i still use bb for things that have damage conditions

[tropic pollen]

it was a ogryn, purgatus psyker, and voidstrike psyker

[orchid nacelle]

because brain burst damage is unconditional

[tropic pollen]

i wasn't first to get gunned down anyway

[vital bough]

Yeah but when Damnation gives them a huge flat health buff, unconditional 1000 is smaller and smaller every level of difficulty you go up

I'd rather try and gear towards crits and get my force sword to hit for 1000 on a non crit and 2000ish on a crit

[orchid nacelle]

if you proc kinetic flayer with brain burst it's kind of like a crit

lol

do you think brain burst proccing kinetic flayer is more or less consistent than a crit with force sword special

[warped kernel]

why does it say the base rating on my weapon will go down if i refine a weapon? like i have a purple 345 and when i go to refine it, it says it will be 325 but orange.

[orchid nacelle]

visual bug

just ignore it

[warped kernel]

cool cool

i wondered if it was just that

thanks

[orchid nacelle]

[warped kernel]

also, other than deflector, what's a good force sword perk?

anyone have an image of what we might consider a meta force sword?

[orchid nacelle]

maybe shred?

getting crits on FS seems mandatory

since the force sword sucks at cleaving you probably want to double down on its ability to murder individual targets rather efficiently

the push and push attack are both great for cc

that's my theory anyway

[ornate hamlet]

just hopped onto the game and into a mission, and I IMMEDIATELY get filtered by the surge staff

[simple junco]

Wow, just played with a Surge Psyker that was physically painful to be on the same team with

[ornate hamlet]

what the hell did they do to the surge

it fucking hurts my eyes

[simple junco]

Yuuup

[ornate hamlet]

which absolute IDIOT made these changes

if they want peoples eyes to die they are doing a incredible job I must say

[simple junco]

(not to mention this specific psyker I was playing with only used secondary fire, split up small groups, and actively kept enemies outside of my engagement zone with the purgatus staff, meaning I wasn't able to damage and was resorted to brainbursting far away targets which he didn't do either)

[runic hornet]

yeah, trauma is all about deleting trash within the pie plate so that all the elites that get staggered are now free to wail on
It's good for when your team (that you quickplayed into) has like 3 knife zealots and they struggle to deal with a typical horde event and buried elites

you only get 2.5 pie plates, but the thing is if your pug teammates haven't gotten the message after said pieplates you're basically SOL to begin with

[manic halo]

has the bug been fixed yet?

[runic hornet]

surge is better when your teammates aren't scrubs and can actually kill trash, they just need help with the almighty elite-stack as they work on thinning the trash out

[next pine]

which one of these do i re-roll?

[runic hornet]

specialists, by far

most specialists that you care about are maniacs already

[next pine]

ye fair

[runic hornet]

you have a force sword so you can just special->explode a lone special in one hit anyway

you can either go +infested or +flak

[next pine]

what am I looking for as a re-roll then?

[runic hornet]

+infested helps you clear poxwalers if you're using say surge staff

[next pine]

nah im a purg gamer

[runic hornet]

if you're using say purgatus and poxwalkers are already free, you can use +flak to help you kill melee scabs and the odd scab rifleman

[next pine]

oo ye

thatis it

[runic hornet]

also pierce helmet dreg helmets

[warm delta]

carapace of course if u use purg

only thing purg cant deal with

[runic hornet]

do you really need +carapace on the force sword? doesn't the special 2-tap anyway

let me check the numbers actually

[cyan notch]

i dont think it does

[runic hornet]

damnation crushers have like ~2500 hp

maybe it 2-taps with warp charges

i thought it did 1k+ damage on a heavy special but I might be thinking of something else

in any case if you have the luxury of special-attacking crushers honestly you're probably in a good spot already, probably

[next pine]

well i got +25% flak so im gonna see how it plays

[warm delta]

only thing you going to melee with when using purge is basically either mutants or dogs and carapace, and you already got maniacs, so yea either infest or carapace

[runic hornet]

let me remember to take OFF psykinetic wrath

also RNG brainburst

actualyl that might be it

that might be why I remember 2-taps

okay force sword special to head deals like 950 damage, so it does break 1K with warp charges, but that's a 3-hit kill on 2550 and bodyshot will do less...

[cyan notch]

yea thats why i was asking where to aim for bulwarks with trauma

[runic hornet]

yeah bodyshot is only 770

[runic hornet]

bulwarks are fucky wucky and they seem to use your relative position rather than the center of hte blast

the thing is a mincharge trauma blast hardstaggers them and they're huge targets so it's hard to miss

you know how I said you have 2.5 pieplates? that's what the half is for

[cyan notch]

not in my experience they either dont fall down or take no damage from small hits or big ones

[runic hornet]

sec

i'm in the range so

okay, I stand corrected, you need a partial charge to open up the bulwark, but it DOES do it at a low enough threshold that you can still get 2 full ones
I guess I normally aim just enough that I reach taht state of partial charge

[cyan notch]

hmm

[runic hornet]

there's also something weird in the range that doesn't match up with my practical experience

which is that even if you aim behind them, when you drop the plate behind them, they block it but instantly spin around

which is weird

[cyan notch]

its really inconsistent in actual usage

pretty annoying tbh they should do something about that

already using like 40% peril just for it to do nothing

[past brook]

is it weird that I absolutely adore the heavy laspistol on psyker, and use it over the various staves?

[runic hornet]

yes

the laspistol hits like an unbuffed heavy sword, it's like 70 damage per shot innit

[past brook]

yeah, but ridiculous crit

[runic hornet]

even if it crits isn't that like... barely an mg1a shot

~150

[compact cargo]

shit ammo economy

[past brook]

300 lol

I like using it to close the distance, then breaking out the force sword

[cyan notch]

let me tell you about the revolver

[past brook]

at least the reload on the laspistol is lighting quick

[cyan notch]

empty your whole mag oop elite not dead

guess i have to spend 5 years reloading

oop i have 12 shots in reserve now

[past brook]

while the ammo economy for the laspistol might be bad, I've not actually had many problems with ammo as psyker
I'm not really using it to kill elites like I would on veteran, so ammo use drops like a rock

[fresh reef]

finally got around to getting an ogryn friend to help me do the bb a monstrosity penance. thought it would be fine with the bot doing a bit of damage, since it's heresy and they scale like shit

turns out it did just enough for the penance to not count

[past brook]

clears out riflemen nicely

[fresh reef]

yay

[past brook]

malleus monstrum, your team are troopers

[cyan notch]

im still trying to find a group for malleus too

u gotta kill bots

[fresh reef]

one of them was an irl friend and one was a bot, so props to the one rando that joined lol

on the bright side, I fucked up one of the previous runs and got Going Out With a Bang by accident

[night marten]

doesn't sound like a fuck up to me

[fresh reef]

looks quite good I think

[cyan notch]

except the forearms

cannot deal with those things in first person

[fresh reef]

I've yet to use it ingame, so maybe I'll feel the same way

usually run convict garb for the first person tattoos so I'm sure it'll be quite jarring

[cyan notch]

try with force sword blocking

[drowsy fog]

home at last

[cyan notch]

as if you already couldnt see clearly enough

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/MrcuohUBahOQA/d13379BElCwq?invite=cr-MSxpWXcsNDg2MDU3NTUs you're right that bulwarks are fuckywucky but in-game when they seem to actually be "active", I know I just aim behind them and a pieplate sends them falling forward right in front of us

in any case it's more about deleting and scattering the chaff that is often surrounding the bulwark to begin with

[fresh reef]

defo keeping this in mind for when the peril bug is fixed

[runic hornet]

a bulwark unsupported by horde is going to die anyway

and if your team is a bunch of shitheads who see "big thing" and their first and immeidate instinct is "ooooh hit it" (lol heresy quickplays) I find the fact that it's a little of column A, a little of column B, to be clutch

You can see that both my ogyrn teammate and zealot teammate just completely ignore horde mobs, so the fact that I can delete chunks of them and scatter the rest keeps them alive

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/LxobPgm88HQiP/d13374a1aWYd?invite=cr-MSxBNGssNDg2MDU3NTUs

The argument I got was "well if you had surge staff you would've just killed the bulwarks lol" but I have zero confidence in my teammates to actually keep my nose clean while I channel surges

[fresh reef]

that's if surge decides to hit bulwarks anyhow

no idea how people can confidently use that thing in qp lol

[runic hornet]

"aim up" was the advice I got, and while it works, that puts the fate of your life completely in your team to hold back all the trash that is streaming in past them

whereas close-combat traumas like this have a blast radius so huge it literally will protect your own back

only elites can walk through the ~8m blast radius

and you're focusing on flipping them over with the 2.3m epicentre/pieplate

[orchid nacelle]

my friend gets really excited when he uses brain burst

he calls it "eating brains" to gain warp charges

and he sings the billy and mandy brains song

[fresh reef]

roleplaying as a psychopath, accurate to lore

[orchid nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpLRJyWe814

[fast swan]

yo did they say anything about fixing the surge staff VFx?

gave my friend a migrane lol

[fresh reef]

I tried using surge in a lights out mission tonight

genuinely had to close my eyes every once in a while when I clicked rmb lol

[orchid nacelle]

it reminds me of an "enhanced magic visuals" mod for skyrim

[cyan notch]

distortion is whatever but the flickering on top of that is just too much

[fast swan]

seriously they need to hotfix it now

it is a genuine health hazard

ffs

[long stump]

A seizure brings you closer to The Warp

[fresh reef]

imo, I think it looks great besides the seizure inducing bits

[fresh reef]

like, it looks really good. they knew it looked good. and then they're just like "what if it had a distortion effect slapped onto it and a random flashing light that induces headaches?"

[leaden pier]

i wish i can see anything other than the seizure inducing bits

[long stump]

hug your ogryn

[fast swan]

also can they please guve us a force greatsword?

[fresh reef]

I was only able to see it on lights out, where ironically just made the headache worse lol

[fast swan]

only 1 force melee weapon is really cringe!

[fading shoal]

You convinced me to buy it

[long stump]

My psyker is still underleveled so I won't bother dragging a team to do the penance until I'm at least level 30

As somebody who played mostly zealot and ogryn, trying out psyker has been a fun experience

[fading shoal]

You need Kinetic Barrage from lvl 30 anyway

[long stump]

It's made the game fresh

[fresh reef]

@long stump trust me, it's a pain in the ass no matter what

[long stump]

I got a surge staff very early and it's been helping out a lot, but boy do I miss having a gun at times

[fresh reef]

it's just 4 minutes of sitting there popping BB

[slow raven]

finally got an antax with brutal momentum after 2 weeks of checking the store 5+ times a day, which perk should i replace?

[fresh reef]

gun psyker is a thing that I've heard people enjoy

recon las with cerebral lacerations and that one chance to BB talent I can never remember the name of

[long stump]

That seems fun

I still want to get good staffs and get good with all the staffs though, they have character

[fresh reef]

me want beam staff

[crisp storm]

does brain burst cast time ever get reduced? it feels very... unsmooth to be integrating it into your combat pattern

[fresh reef]

you can buff the cast speed with a level 30 talent, but that's about it

[crisp storm]

oh, do you eventually not really rely on casted burst, and just get it from kinetic flayer procs?

[compact cargo]

no, you just barely use bb

[slow raven]

BB is mainly for opening combat or for getting a lock on the sniper just in case he goes into cover before somoene with a gun kills it

whenever you see a sniper just preemptively get a lock on him if you can, generally theyre the highest prio to kill

it's ok if it ends up being a waste of time 80% of the time because your vet is doign their job

[fresh reef]

imagine not just having a 4 stack of psykers

[slow raven]

i did damnation once in a group of 4 psykers

it didnt go that well lmao

[orchid nacelle]

in fairness psykers probably need a collar like that

the psykana hood is for blowing up your head instead of getting possessed by a daemon

[robust meteor]

i did one with a group of 3 psykers all with surge. it was ezpz

did another run with 3 psykers where we all had different staves. we were constantly going down

[fresh reef]

I had 3 psykers with trauma staff and an ogryn on damnation once

very fun

[orchid nacelle]

the earthquaker

[drowsy fog]

accidentally aggrod a demonhost cuz I didnt see it

[orchid nacelle]

omg me too

[slow raven]

i had a pretty good run with 3 psykers too, maybe thats the magic number

[drowsy fog]

thanks to kinetic defelection immediately got 2 tiers of the emperor protects

[robust meteor]

never done 4. sounds like something to try tomorrow

[fresh reef]

3x3=9=my lucky number

it checks

[fresh reef]

1 of each staff sounds hilarious

[slow raven]

i call not trauma

[nimble burrow]

I’d rather have an autogun

[fresh reef]

fine I'll take trauma then ya karkin weenies

it's very meh, imo

low burn and low cloud radius

[robust meteor]

i'd like to have a race with 4 psykers on damnation. everyone with the same melee weapon

[drowsy fog]

purge all day every day

[robust meteor]

no attacking just run

[orchid nacelle]

3 psykers does feel like the magic number

[near wyvern]

Low burn low quell 👎

[fresh reef]

ideally if you have to have a dump stat, it should be damage

with 80% on burn

[slow raven]

terrifying barrage is supposedly nice, personally i have it on mine and cant really tell the difference but some others swear by it

[fresh reef]

who tf is this ranald
some new heretic god?

[slow raven]

i use surge 80% of the time though

[fresh reef]

[near wyvern]

Skill issue

[orchid nacelle]

i met a psyker named Ravandil-the-Elf today

[fresh reef]

I like surge for the power fantasy, but that's about it

[near wyvern]

Although if you have a vet triple surge is only reasonable staff to go with

[fresh reef]

5 enemies at a time with an extremely niche stun? no thanks

[deft fiber]

Hey. Which stats i want to be as max as possible for Force Sword?

[orchid nacelle]

the stun becomes less niche in higher difficulties

[slow raven]

surge is fun though and my group always seems to love it when i use it

[burnt python]

was there a patch tonight?

[fresh reef]

if anything it becomes less useful, with the amount of trash mobs

[orchid nacelle]

there's often large groups of specials

[robust meteor]

when i ask what staff a group wants, they always want surge

[fresh reef]

purg and trauma can stun everything besides muties, in which case dodge lol

[orchid nacelle]

you can straight up just turn off 6-7 specials at a time

it's nice

[elfin crystal]

just mix surge and purga

[slow raven]

it only stuns like 5-7 mobs but thats surprisingly useful when you have a group of shooters far away from you, the lightning has a longer range than youd expect

[elfin crystal]

bodyblock is also technically a thing i think?

[fresh reef]

the thing must hate me then, the most I can do is two poxwalkers and half a group of shooters

[orchid nacelle]

are you spamming it uncharged

[slow raven]

i actually find it way more useful to shut down a group of trash w/ guns over stunning specials, most people on damnation have played enough to be competent at killing trappers or flamers or whatevs

[fresh reef]

usually

[slow raven]

it's the trash w/ guns that always wipes you

[fresh reef]

unless I need to kill flak armor

[runic hornet]

i mean a good half of the shooter squads ARE flak

[robust meteor]

surge is the anti cheese weapon for those unarmored gunners that always show up in packs, spreading out all over

[runic hornet]

wheter they're the "heavy melee but also guns" scabs

or the green goggles scabs

[fresh reef]

I switch up my staff daily, so I'll give it another shot when it doesn't hurt my head to use lmfao

[elfin crystal]

totally fair

fuck that change

[slow raven]

i love how they still dont pull out their melee weapon even standing 2 feet away from you, they just keep unloading into you with their gun

[orchid nacelle]

i think trauma is my new favourite staff

[fresh reef]

based

[burnt python]

trauma is fun

[orchid nacelle]

i love how your character slams their staff into the ground with authority

[slow raven]

i should revisit trauma, i havent touched it since level 10

[near wyvern]

You want to have the blessings deflector and exorcist ( quell on repeated weakspot)

Then you go into inspect and check if you can meet the following breakpoints:

Light first two attacks on weakspot:

• unarmoured 100 or more
• infested 150 or more

Heavy attack on weakspot:

• unarmoured 200
• infested 300

The value in the tables show unbuffed damage so you should manually count any +% damage perks to meet these thresholds. The weakspot +8% is bugged and actually gives +5%.

The closet you can get to these breakpoints without any additional buffs (warp charges, psychics wrath, ogryn coherency...) the better.

[runic hornet]

trauma needs 80-80-80 in damage/blast radius/charge time or else it's suffering

I highly recommend 80 quell speed too

[fresh reef]

it's hard to use atm with the current quelling bug

[slow raven]

what quelling bug?

[orchid nacelle]

i have 76-79 in every stat

[fresh reef]

this too

[runic hornet]

you can dump warp resistance and if you play only heresy you can dump damage too

pretty sure you need 80 damage + unarmored to oneshot helmet dregs on damnation

since they have 450

[fresh reef]

hitting 100% peril multiple times consectutively locks you out of manual quell for a few seconds

[deft fiber]

Thanks for an explanation. Will check them.

[fresh reef]

hoping we get a hotfix for it soon

[elfin crystal]

probs won't happen before jan

[orchid nacelle]

i hope they release a hotfix where they release the actual psyker class instead of whatever psykinetic is

[slow raven]

oh ouch

[elfin crystal]

we're already the 19 monday

[burnt python]

did they hotfix tonight??? i may be trippin but i'm 90% sure decimator did not read like this earlier today

[slow raven]

yeah that seems new, i remember decimator having a different description too

[drowsy fog]

you mean like this? lol

[orchid nacelle]

mandela effect

[near wyvern]

The reasoning for these break points is that you can 2 tap light poxwalker and groaner heads on Damnation and 1 tap heavy them.

Mine for example can meet these except heavy 1 tap poxwalkers but it's missing so little that if I have even 1 warp charge or an ogryn within coherency it will meet that break point.

Allows you to mow through the trash.

[burnt python]

also this thing is my baby

[elfin crystal]

rip quell

[slow raven]

this should be pinned tbh

im sure ill want to refer to it in a few days and be unable to find it

[burnt python]

no need for quell when axe

[near wyvern]

Yeah you want to keep an eye on the unarmoured and infested weakspot damage

You gotta use the inspect since it's a combination of damage, finesse and first target stats.

[burnt python]

but ya i dont take it w/ fs

[elfin crystal]

fair. tbh to each their play style. so ain't nitpicking

[deft fiber]

Great knowledge. Thanks again.

[drowsy fog]

I was being facetious

[orchid nacelle]

old decimator

[burnt python]

yeah they sneaky did somethin today

but no quell bug fix

😦

[elfin crystal]

nice communication

[drowsy fog]

after posting about transparency? tsk tsk

I now know the fastest way to get the emperor protects is to be the demonhost tank lol

[slow raven]

i dont think the engineers talk to the community manager team lol

[orchid nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-sad-sob-lament-uncontrollable-gif-19007906

[drowsy fog]

whose turn is it to give god his sponge bath

make sure you get between the ribs people have been slacking there

[summer wind]

i'm so excited for my psyker to go to terra, apparently only 1,000 (or was it 10,000 i forgor) get to go each day

this is gonna be such a fun field trip

[deft fiber]

@near wyvern sorry for bothering. Is there any breakpoints for Purge/Surge and Void staffs? Mb there are a source which i can looks for such data?

[orchid nacelle]

it's wamuudes' turn but he's stuck in the sewer again

[autumn vapor]

when does psycher get fun? I'm level 4 right now and I am boooored

[drowsy fog]

when you unlocks feats and staves

[slow raven]

i found it shitty until like 20 or 25

it gets really fun afterwards though

[past brook]

behold, the most important stat in the game! A difference of a whole.... 0.3 seconds
better invest all 80 points into charge rate lol

[orchid nacelle]

1/3 of a second can be a lot

depending

[past brook]

not like you can even get the full 0.3 second buff anyway, 0.24 b/c 80% roll max
I don't think a quarter second of charging is going to be the savior of the entire mission

[orchid nacelle]

i mean

probably not but it helps with the overall feel

[near wyvern]

Haven't checked them much since I mainly play purge and damage is not really a thing for it. You mainly just want to max out burn, quell, warp resist and cloud radius.

[orchid nacelle]

i think there's a case to made for the cloud radius stat being arguably the most important one

since that directly ties into how effectively you can suppress a crowd

[runic hornet]

I feel the difference between 1.50 traumas and 1.31 traumas extremely keenly

[feral crater]

Reaction speed and breakpoints at which point you would be in time to intercept for example a mutant can make all the difference

But that will heavily depend person to person

So harder to quantify how much is good vs other stats

[drowsy fog]

welcome to being a psyker where you can fulfil your fantasy of being:
a sith lord
a flamethrower
a railgun
a disappointment
food for god

[feral crater]

🤣

[orchid nacelle]

if only every psyker weapon didn't feel horribly pathetic and weak

except voidstrike staff in a hallway

and fs

[quick plover]

Anyone have a good strategy for completing "going out with a bang"? I'm tearing my hair out trying to do it

[drowsy fog]

get a group together to corral ragers together for you

[leaden pier]

man finally got the pick & mix achievement

[drowsy fog]

how dare you

[leaden pier]

pain in the butt when your whole team is next to the group of shotgunners

all that for a darker pair of pants

oh wait there's like the aquilla symbol pattern on it

[orchid nacelle]

the weird kid who draws the aquila symbol instead of the universal cool S

[near wyvern]

@deft fiber

Purge, surge and void are really quite simple due to their specific damage/CC behaviours. The breakpoints are not that important as stats because they are CC + weapons of mass destruction.

For surge, you want to have:

• warp resist and quell speed

And that's a working surge staff for you. If it has armor it will die, if it has not, don't bother to even charge the staff and just spam for CC with minimal peril.

For void you want:

• transfer blessing with at least 2% quell on weakspot (current max is 4, bigger is better)
• warp resist and charge speed

With void you pretty much always one shot head shot trash with a proper charged shot and you want to charge it for the penetration. If it doesn't die with 2 hits from void, you should BB. Warp flurry is an excellent blessing to have as well. Remember you can left click to kill lone range mobs or quick right click for stagger ragers.

For purge you want:

• burn, warp resist, quell speed

Warp flurry is a nice blessing to have, run n gun also works if you want to stagger a lot. Your LMB has low damage but high stagger, RMB has low stagger high damage. If there are 3 mobs or less, use your melee on them for faster DPS unless you need to safely control them with LMB stagger. The soulblaze has multiplicative stacking so each stack you apply is exponentially worth more for your damage output. That being said crits apply 2 stacks instead of 1. Given how fast your RMB ticks, crit chance can add quite a lot of damage with good consistency.

[leaden pier]

damn that's alotta words

[restive cave]

Nice writeup! @near wyvern

[ornate hamlet]

Thanks kind sir, always a pleasure to read valuable info

[spiral remnant]

ahhhhh has anybody reliably found a way to achieve a 380 on anything??!?! My staff is good... just don't know where to progress from here on out

my build is more or less complete, so aside from minmaxing, my only other option is to grind penances

[ornate hamlet]

Isn't it just rng? So checking shops daily to get 380?

[spiral remnant]

ehhh? I usually get to check 6-7 times on a good day

even then the max i've found is a 373

with most hovering at 340

[vocal spindle]

This should be pinned

[feral crater]

Yeah... Currently It's black friday camping at the store

They haven't yet added better mehtods...

[deft valley]

Surge works good but purg needs abot of work imo

[spiral remnant]

I have 9 transcendent guns and only 2 transcendent staves...

[spiral remnant]

it purgs damage or stun was raised by just a teensy bit it'd be great

rn it still struggles to prevent melee attacks even if the enemy is already "hit" by your flame

[feral crater]

Trauma needs a lot bigger stun effect to be meaningful. It's so trash right now compared to anything else

[spiral remnant]

the stun seems to take a second to kick in

[feral crater]

I really wanna like it... 🥹

[vocal spindle]

I love purge, but I feel like sometimes it goes straight through an enemy without hitting them

[deft valley]

Anyone else have constant shit weapons constantly that are below what you have equipped?

[spiral remnant]

eyup

[vocal spindle]

💯

[spiral remnant]

love this curio, bit of a shame it wasnt on a +3 stamina blessing tho

i wonder if we'll be able to transfer blessings on curios as well or if thats only on weapons?

[deft fiber]

That's great.

[leaden pier]

when rerolling perks, can the rating (the diamonds) of the perk change or is it static?

[spiral remnant]

it changes :D

i have to give props to fat shark in one department, the fact that the costs decrease the more you reroll?

life saver

[deft valley]

So does the armory req depend on rng or powers score (supposedly)?

[spiral remnant]

i'd have spent a few thousand plasteel by now

[spiral remnant]

rumors is by rng and powerscore currently but theres contention around it

[lofty storm]

Hi all, have given my psyker a break. Have people finally warmed up to kinetic deflection or is it still severely underrated/underused?

[spiral remnant]

HOLY SHIT

I DID IT

[leaden pier]

nice

[drowsy fog]

thats # of missions done, pick n mix is the only thing between me and the tier 3 hood

[deft valley]

What you mean by contention?

[near wyvern]

Use 1 LMB first then start to RMB.

LMB has low damage (applies only 1 stack) but high stagger.

[spiral remnant]

debated, some people believe a lot in it but other people think they're wrong

[spiral remnant]

yah even for LMB it seems to be a bit iffy at times

[crisp storm]

What is the psyker's primary role in a high difficulty mission? Elite suppression?

[spiral remnant]

it does great in fighting gunners and armored giants, and it's staves can be pretty good CC to allow for their teammates to do clean up work

[restive cave]

mostly CC

You're not brain bursting anything except for maybe a sniper

[tawny maple]

Don't forget cloud radius on purg aswell. It increases your range too in addition to the actual cloud radius

[restive cave]

Cloud radius?

[near wyvern]

Yeah the trick with LMB is that you can push them out so fast that your second LMB will be when the enemy is having 'stagger protection'

Basically if you want to chain CC something you should space out your LMBs or spam them into two directions. When you spam as fast as you can into two directions, the spacing is quite perfect to keep them perma staggered.

Just note that skills like these are usually coded so that they sent out multiple spheres instead of an actual 'stream'. If you move your mouse too fast during the attack, the spheres might just miss your target (one going past from the left, one from the right)

So only move mouse rapidly when the flames are not going out.

[near wyvern]

Yes cloud radius is good but if you need to pick the most important ones it's burn, warp resist and quell speed to make it work.

The priority (IMO) is:

1. burn
2. warp resist & quell speed
3. Cloud radius
4. damage

[crisp storm]

So cc via staves is the main concept huh

[near wyvern]

Yes. They are mainly for crowd control in different flavours, hence warp resist is important on all as you want to do more of the thing you are good at.

[drowsy fog]

dunno what kinda voodoo I gotta do to roll better shop rng than this

aside from run n gun

dont really like that lol

[near wyvern]

Void get's away with low quell since you can actually quell more peril than you generate with a good roll on transfer blessing and sufficient amount of trash heads.

[tawny maple]

I would take warp resist out of that. It goes from 22% to 18% peril on fully charged secondary, not that much
Cloud radius improves your range from 10 to 16 meters at 80% though. Quite a change

[drowsy fog]

cloud radius very important

go from a sneeze to an actual flamethrower

[near wyvern]

The +% damages only apply to your direct damage, not soulblaze. Ranged crit is more valuable than raw +% damage with purge.

[spiral remnant]

yo what stat does rending affect?

[runic hornet]

it reduces the effect of enemy armor on your attacks

it's weird to quantify

but the effect is extremely evident on bolters whacking crushers

[near wyvern]

You want all the warp resist you can get and you stack it with inner tranquility. Try it and be amazed.

On a good horde, I wait to get 100% peril, which takes a while. Ascendant Blaze which gets me to 5% due to the passive 10% chance to quell 10% on kill and also gives me all the stacks back, then I get up to ~ 80% and if there are still a lot enemys left I usually bounce between 70-90% as long as I have stuff to burn.

Cloud radius is good, a lot better than damage but it's not as essential as the burn, warp resist and quell speed which allow you to continue burning. CC is your main job, if you don't have the range for it, you fix it with positioning.

With high quell speed you can LMB spam and quell in between for more than what it costs to chain stagger 5 ragers. So you can lower your peril while keeping team safe.

[tawny maple]

Inner tranquility does it already on its own though. You'll save, at best, 15% total peril with maxed out warp resistance. I'd better have max cloud radius and deal overall more damage with a single cast though. For a staff like purg that already generates minimal peril warp resistance doesn't matter that much overall

[deft valley]

You want uninterrupted imo

[drowsy fog]

wouldnt complain with that one

oh to reroll blessings

[tawny maple]

Warp nexus ftw, probably will be fixed soon tho assuming its a bug

[drowsy fog]

transfer peril would be nice

[near wyvern]

Uninterrupted is good if you gave good game sense and know what you are doing.

If you don't then it will get you killed in Herecy+ for tunnel visioning.

Supression is a much safer option.

[tawny maple]

On purgatus? That won't work I'm afraid

[near wyvern]

Yeah purgatus can't hit weakspots

[feral crater]

Got my first 380... On an axe 😦 I don't like axes

[near wyvern]

Which is funny cause the zealot flamer can

[drowsy fog]

just checked it cant get it anyway

yeah... from what it can get uninterruptable would be my pick

[feral crater]

Any advice on it's setup or just trash it? I haven't really used axes. Preferred catachan for mobility and sweeps

[drowsy fog]

good lord

I dont like axes either but thats a monster

[tawny maple]

if only it was MK5..

[unique sand]

is deflector good on the power sword

[tawny maple]

yes

[opal hearth]

is there any way to upgrade the rating of an item? or gotta wait for the shop?

[feral crater]

Shop sadly. They made ratings so annoying.. I miss VT system

[opal hearth]

ahh thanks man

[near wyvern]

It's a nice bonus, mainly good for oh shit moments (you are far from cover and ranged squad is firing on you, reviving team mates) but don't start to RP as a shield ogryn. Stuff needs to die.

Just remember FS also has unlimited dodges so use those as well to avoid getting some peril/stam damage

[unique sand]

just got deflector and uncanny strike on my sword

[spiral remnant]

oh lordy lord

[unique sand]

seems like a good combo

[burnt python]

@near wyvern thank you for always giving reasonable advice w/ testing backing it up

[feral crater]

It does help if you accidentally get aggro on a daemonhost... Not that I have tried... 😳

[quick plover]

JUST GOT IT SOLO HAHAHA I'M SO HAPPY

[unique sand]

any advice on which perk to re-roll

[frigid marten]

The 2 pip one

[spiral remnant]

i wouldn't trash ANY weapon with a 380

[frigid marten]

Any weapon can become good with a patch

[feral crater]

Fair. They are pretty rare... XD I'll use it for now.

[unique sand]

ah thanks. what perk should i be looking for? block efficiency?

[feral crater]

Should I even reroll perks? Since weakpoint/elite seems like a peak setup?

[frigid marten]

Reroll at a certain point become free/cheap

[unique sand]

oop

[frigid marten]

The important decision is about what perk lock

[unique sand]

i got 20% glock efficiency on my first re-roll

blovk

block

[frigid marten]

The you can even reroll a good one and try to roll the 4 pip version

[drowsy fog]

glock efficiency? god damn didnt know they added a new gun

[feral crater]

The problem is, it's too early in game for meta stability... You reroll one and later find you shoulda done the other.

Maybe hold on for now if it's decent?

[unique sand]

lmao

im guessing this is the build i want if im running a blocking sword

[drowsy fog]

quietude works on passive quell

you'll get toughness back more consistently with it

[feral crater]

Yeah I think quietude would be better

[jaunty atlas]

i found the solution to play surge without killing your eyes and having to resetup your screen : the yellow night filter

[unique sand]

ah thanks

[drowsy fog]

everything else is solid

[unique sand]

cause i used to run psykinetics wrath

[feral crater]

Obviously, depends on your ranged weapon of choice. Since you might wanna go for warp absorption if you gonna force sword/staff it

[unique sand]

but inner tranquility seems better ffor this

[drowsy fog]

inner tranquility lets you do more before you have to pause to quell

[lofty storm]

what's error 2006?

[drowsy fog]

dunno try google

[lofty storm]

already done

[feral crater]

You are better off searching the discord than google...

[humble saffron]

First base 380 in a stupid amount of time playing. Both perks are tier 3. Load of BS that I can't brute force upgrade both with mats. Ugh. Saving this to slap on Deflector if and when I can swap out blessings. Any advice on which perk to try to switch or upgrade?

[cyan notch]

definitely keep block efficiency

20% is the maxroll

so you already have a tier 3

then you can swap melee damage for something else

[lunar spruce]

That is the best force sword i've seen I think

[fast swan]

Don’t got bulletproof block tho

[humble saffron]

Not yet anyway. I'm hoping I will be able to rip off Precog and slap on a Deflector.

Eventually. Immeasurably complex to build a system worse than VT2.

[spiral remnant]

first golden Big E gift that ISNT gun or a dueling sword

following my 3 transcendent dueling swords and 9 transcendent guns

[covert cosmos]

ill trade u all 3 of my emperor gifted devil claws without cleave for that

wait did the emperor give you good blessings with that one?

[spiral remnant]

solid i guess?

[covert cosmos]

brutal momentum seem sgood

[spiral remnant]

base rating could be... better

[digital pagoda]

It's great, critical bonus is almost worthless on psyker who can't stack more crit with his feats

[proven halo]

rating is bad but those are the blessings and perks i want right?

[spiral remnant]

thats nice to hear, unfortunately I'm not a big axe guy

bit of a shame

[frank tartan]

Block efficiency is nice, I'd sway to swapping specialist melee damage to maybe unyielding damage?

[ruby sierra]

Is Psyker still broken since patch?

[drowsy fog]

time to try for pick n mix again... ugh

[left briar]

what is critical peril?

[summer wind]

Red numbers

More or less

[drowsy fog]

as in the threshold that certain abilities mention? I think its like 80%

[elder dagger]

chain lightning is op support, prove me wring

wrong*

[stark nebula]

Before I mess up my good staff, what perk should I re-roll and what should I look for?

Guessing reroll unarmored into flak or something?

[jaunty atlas]

maybe i did not rolled a good one but this is midrange when you're expected to be all ranges

[manic needle]

Neither of those perks are great IMO. Unyielding enemies generally don't take that much damage from your attacks to begin with, though, so that one is doing less lifting. Maybe reroll that one and leave unarmored for a boost against Dreg Gunners?

[jaunty atlas]

i play that and void/antax with +1 wound, it works quite well in damnation despite a blue gear

[stark nebula]

I thought unyeilding were the ogryn guys. Do metal clad mobs not take more damage from lightning?

[jaunty atlas]

i thin 5B is better though

[manic needle]

They do, but they don't take much to begin with IIRC. Ill test it out in the Meatgrinder if you like.

[stark nebula]

Ahh, OK. ty

[jaunty atlas]

some have unyealding parts and carapace others, i don't know how the lightning handles it

[manic needle]

My almost max damage staff does 82 body damage to Unyielding on inspect fwiw

[jaunty atlas]

1A or 1B when you play with a void staff ? i cannot decide

[manic needle]

Actually it's performing pretty well against crushers and the like, Im surprised that the damage numbers dont take the staff's damage bonus into consideration.

[compact cargo]

it is dangerous for people irl

[drowsy fog]

I hate this penance so damn much

[jaunty atlas]

but is it not more interesting to switch to BB, raise your charges, killing it in the process or nearly and push extra hard and burning everyone in the room

[jaunty atlas]

which one ? 🙂

[drowsy fog]

pick n mix

[jaunty atlas]

honestly i feel like psyker penance are the most enjoyable ones.

oh

[manic needle]

Its pretty situational IMO. I often find its more useful to chain stun them and let the Veteran handle them, unless theyre running recon lasgun or the like

[drowsy fog]

psyker has the worst penances

[stark nebula]

I wonder why yours does so little to unyeilding? were you looking at primary attack?

[drowsy fog]

zealots like "dont use your gun" ok done
ogryn "throw a box at an eye" ok done

[jaunty atlas]

!!

[jaunty atlas]

kill a dog with bb done

i did not even made it on purpose

the t1 is always easy

[elder dagger]

Mid range support is still good support, chain lightning stops everything in its tracks. An ogryn may need it if they're up against many elites.

[jaunty atlas]

true true

[manic needle]

Maybe. It is 4AM here.

[drowsy fog]

you got lucky cuz you gotta get it mid pounce and thats a small window

[light belfry]

having completed every penance

pick and mix is the worst one by a decent bit

[jaunty atlas]

honestly surge and void are my favourites. i want to like trauma but .. heh. and fire has too short of a range a i really don't see when i should use it. when i have 0 zealot/ogg

[light belfry]

besides maybe make every shot count if you don’t cheese it

[static epoch]

Malleus is worst if you're not into getting help and getting it through game play.

Pic n Mix was one of the easier ones for me.

[light belfry]

trauma feels like a void staff with more potential damage but less generally applicable damage

[light belfry]

it’s very rng dependent generally speaking

[jaunty atlas]

with half the peril, a longer range, a faster charge i would try it i guess

[drowsy fog]

trigger happy vets always mowing down the targets and yes I asked if me going for the penance was cool with them

hate veterans

[light belfry]

another issue with it is that void doesn’t really need to do more damage

it wouldn’t hurt

but it still staggers anything it doesn’t kill

[manic needle]

Ive seen some Psykers using Trauma to very good effect, but it's rare

[light belfry]

I think it’s underrated post buff when they made it actually damage more than like 2 guys

but seems clunky for not enough upside over void

[jaunty atlas]

void permits the full control of a line

with 6B even more

plus, it goes wubwub then boom.

[light belfry]

6B, you mean a talent? which one

don’t remember off the top of my head

[jaunty atlas]

fire on F scaling on charges

[light belfry]

the sounds it makes are very satisfying

yeah I started taking that one

it feels weird using it on non fire builds at first

but 4% chance on kill is good enough and the bottom and top talents are kinda mid

[static epoch]

You mean soulfire on F?

[manic needle]

Thats it, really. It's unwieldy enough to require some serious coordination to use, especially under pressure. You can use it to good effect but it's also easy to make a mistake and pay dearly for it.

[light belfry]

the main upside it has over void is it’s damage output to tougher enemies in the aoe compared to tougher enemies void hits, since it will stop on a singular target like that

which is like

real

[last vine]

anyone got any tips for pick and mix challenge?

[static epoch]

Out of all the time I have used and have had other Psykers used Soulfire on F, which is probably a couple dozen at this point. At no point in time has an enemy affected by it taken less hits from me that I have noticed.

[light belfry]

but not important enough

[static epoch]

As I perceive it that talent is utterly useless.

[manic needle]

Still looking for that one, I imagine youd want to try a premade that is willing to help corral the mobs you need into a group and guard while you kill

[night marten]

it's mostly for horde clear

[manic needle]

Also make sure you have Kinetic Barrage

[static epoch]

But anyone can horde clear, why ruin your ability that wayt

It's nonsensical

[manic needle]

Inner Tranquility + Warp Battery also recommended

[night marten]

sure, but not everyone does

[light belfry]

get a premade, probably a shield ogryn to help some, and above all else, be ready to reset reset reset

[static epoch]

All 4 classes have weapons that can hold against horde assuming not everyone is down. That's a gap that does not need to be filled.

[night marten]

tell fatshark lol

[static epoch]

Especially not by having you sacrifice your ability to do 40 damage a second

[night marten]

AB is for horde clear mostly, and doing a decent bit of damage to everything else (other than carapace)

[light belfry]

are either of the other talents really that important though

[night marten]

no

[light belfry]

it is usually warp charge neutral in my experience

whereas the top 1 can’t regenerate warp charges

[static epoch]

Yeah talents is what make the character, you can run a bad build with bad gear on t5 and struggle but if you get bad gear and good build you're fine

[night marten]

quicken is not recommended by most, barrage is decent if you're really focusing on staying backline

[light belfry]

and the bottom one buffs my already situational brain burst

[jaunty atlas]

Is there a void staff blessing that permits building charges ? The aoe fear is really good but i don't see a second one that entice

[static epoch]

try quicken with cooldown reduction you will spam it 3 times during each battle with uniques or specialists lol

sometimes even 3 times in 4 seconds

[night marten]

AB is great with a purge staff while being frontline +deflector FS, and combined with KO and communion or warp battery and aura

[light belfry]

I think the best blessings are reduced charge time and transfer peril on weakspot hit

[manic needle]

Yeah agreed for sure

[light belfry]

alongside terrifying barrage

having used a terrifying barrage void it is quite handy to be able to rely on enemies jsut outside of the line of your voidstrike shot to be cced

lets you keep on firing and keep them disabled

but I feel like I can often compensate by just… moving so that they are in the line of fire

so I feel like in a perfect world I would go charge time and peril transfer

spam spam spam those charged shots

[night marten]

it's good if you're getting surrounded in an open space

hallways it's not necessary

[light belfry]

Yeah for sure I don’t mean to discount it 100%

[jaunty atlas]

that transfer peril seems interesting i'll try that, reduced charge time i don't know, it would force me to quell more 'ill try. but yeah terrif plus the innate suppresion of the staff is quite awesome, and you can proc it more than once in a horde

[raven scarab]

are these base stats "okay" to try to upgrade?

[light belfry]

I wouldn’t go for it

a lot of people say to sim around 350

you should worry about stat distribution as well

[river sand]

if you're lucky double hit on crit and crit on high peril ramps up the damage quite much

[light belfry]

Finesse is quite important for a force sword

[raven scarab]

oh

[jaunty atlas]

it's nicely min maxed, but .. if you can wait ..

[light belfry]

What does warp resistance do for the force sword again?

does it only reduce the peril gain from force sword things?

If so I could see that being a nice dump stat

[static epoch]

off the top it goes from like 15 to 35 peril gain on ability?

[light belfry]

Mmmm

[static epoch]

that's about it, prob the dumb stat on fs

[light belfry]

decent dump stat still but that isn’t useless

[static epoch]

don't quote me on the numbers though, maybe someone in game can show us a creenshot

[light belfry]

35 is a lot more than 15 but you don’t need to be spamming it anyway

yeah

I’d check if I wasn’t in bed

[jaunty atlas]

do we really need to deal crit and go fast on light attack ? finesse is the dump stat no ?

[light belfry]

Attack speed is universally helpful

[kindred delta]

Prolly less peril gain on empower

[night marten]

warp res is

[static epoch]

yes I think so. crit chance based on peril is crazy

[light belfry]

and impacts weakspot damage no?

[river sand]

finesse is attack speed and weakspot damage, thats quite important

[sonic aspen]

One of the throneside maps has a bridge at the end that usually has gunners and stuff on it I got 4/5 on it but died before I finished the 5th

[kindred delta]

Less peril gen=more empowered attacks before needing to quell

[near wyvern]

TBF on FS you want high peril gain on special if you plan to use PW or toughness on quelling

If you want it to be mainly defensive then warp resist doesn't hurt for kinetic deflection

[kindred delta]

Overall helpful stat to have

[static epoch]

good point Pygex

[jaunty atlas]

i really dislike this weapon anyway, i cannot help :x

[light belfry]

yeah finesse is quite important IMO

while I’m here can I pick your collective brains on curios?

I feel like the choice of what to stack mainstat on the other classes is fairly straight forward

what do you guys like on psyker?

I feel like toughness makes sense with like 1 wound

[night marten]

most have been saying max health is really good

as a priority item

[raven scarab]

wounds and stamina is what i have

[manic needle]

I like+1 wound and max health

[light belfry]

Max health does make sense

[jaunty atlas]

huh honestly i took the coward approach, i took 1 health 1 toughness. but if i had to choose i'll go all toughness

[night marten]

mixing that with your preference of corruption resistance (normal, not grimoire), damage resist, and toughness regen/max percent *in that order

[light belfry]

I feel like with peril stam isn’t needed

Peril block*

It’s handy

but I feel like it’s a drop in the bucket

[jaunty atlas]

i maxed corruption resistance

[wise pecan]

I do one wounds, one toughness, one health. Wounds because psyker is the only class where your main equipment can and will just directly kill you, health because sometimes my team likes to pick up grimoires, toughness because it’s better value than health in terms of usable hp

[raven scarab]

all my stores give me is wounds and stamina

[light belfry]

Health is the best form of corruption resistance

[static epoch]

I keep peril block on for clutch res but only get so much use out of it. But you can bet your ass as soon as I take it off I'm going to get in a situation where I'd need it 😄

[jaunty atlas]

except we cannot really snowball it

we will never have a large pool

so ..

[wise pecan]

Consider: you can get both. On the same curio even!

[light belfry]

yeah it’s not as good as it is on og or zealot by any means

but like

[night marten]

toughness only protects health on the first hit, after that you're taking health damage anyway. a single ranged volley is going to put you at least to 50% toughenss at which point half is going to health

that's why it's always good to have max hp boosts

[light belfry]

you’re not wrong I just thought i would drop a friendly reminder that corruption is flat

[jaunty atlas]

30% corrupt resist works great for me, if i could resist fire i would do too, because that's honestly my biggest fear

[light belfry]

Fire resist does exist… but it still instagibs the blue bar

[jaunty atlas]

that thing is way too strong

[light belfry]

I want knockback resist on my curios

[wise pecan]

Health only protects your life on the last hit. 99% of the time it’s useless. More toughness though, shit, I empty out my toughness regularly, because enemies with guns like to use em

[light belfry]

so I don’t get fucking ledges

[night marten]

I completely disagree

[jaunty atlas]

you can regen toughness in fight quite dynamically too

[wise pecan]

Cool. You’re wrong, but that’s your prerogative

[night marten]

maybe you're just better than me at avoiding basically any hits beyond one every 10 seconds or so on higher difficulties. taking damage any more frequently means health pool starts to matter significantly.

[light belfry]

yeah I feel like toughness stacking always makes a ton of sense on paper in an ideal world

but if you make it work you make it work

you could just be better than me

[wise pecan]

I take damage from folks with guns. Melee is handleable by learning positioning, sticking with your team, and getting good at dodging on the backstab whoosh sound cue

[jaunty atlas]

i tried hard for the nohit on vet before leveling a psyker. i must say it improved my paranoia A LOT

[night marten]

yea, game mechanics 101. do you ever take more than two gunner shots in a row? your health immediately starts to matter

[jaunty atlas]

always checking behind, always in coherency and absolutely bonkers on switching 1/block

[light belfry]

I could see toughness being really strong with dueling sword and quietitude

because of the fast passive venting

[night marten]

wait

you do realize damage bleeds through to health at anything less than 100% toughness right?

[covert cosmos]

doesnt feel like it matters much with how squishy psyker is

just do what makes u happy

[vivid merlin]

You realise ranged damage doesn't have bleed through right

[light belfry]

yeah it is ultimately quite unimpactful compared to other classes

[wise pecan]

But a health increase does fuckall. If you get 30 extra health, that isn’t doing anything at all until you take 150 health damage. And if you’re taking that much damage regularly, you’re devouring medical supplies and aren’t regen ing toughness.

Toughness though easily regenerates. Toughness damage is a freebie. You can eat toughness hits all day long, if you know when to duck into cover, where that cover is. At that means you get a hell of a lot more use out of 15 toughness than 30 health, because that 15 toughness is absorbing 100 damage in a single fight

[vivid merlin]

It's only melee damage that bleeds through toughness, if you're getting just shot you can keep getting shot from 100 to 0 tough taking no hp

[jaunty atlas]

pretty sure it's above 100 toughness. at 170 if you go 70% you still do not take chip

[covert cosmos]

^

[night marten]

I would completely agree with you if I could eat toughness damage all day long, but I can't. It melts near instantly

[jaunty atlas]

"base toughness" i mean

[light belfry]

that would change things

that seems silly but not in an I don’t believe you way

in a that’s quite strong way

[wise pecan]

I mean you can’t just sit there and get shot, you gotta take some hits, build peril, kill enemies, toughness breaks, you duck into cover, quell that peril to regen toughness, repeat

[covert cosmos]

veteran starts with 200 base toughness 🙂

[signal nymph]

Psyker getting an eisenhorn esque coat and flak armor when?

:^)

[magic burrow]

veteran doesn't count

[jaunty atlas]

more testing required i guess. but i just have 16% toughness i feel a lot stronger. i cannot get chipped immediatly by any fucker behind me

[wise pecan]

I believe the melee damage bleed through is just percent toughness? Still, increasing your toughness changes the % that a single strike leaves you at, which changes how much bleedthrough the followup attack has

[green ravine]

What lvl do you unlock your first staff for psyker

[signal nymph]

8 or 12

[green ravine]

thx

[signal nymph]

the first staff is shit

[magic burrow]

8ish I think. That's when you start seeing the trauma staff

[green ravine]

Which is it?

[signal nymph]

Trauma is the worse one

[green ravine]

How come?

[signal nymph]

The aoe is just weaker explosion than vets grenades

[green ravine]

Oh damn

[magic burrow]

Trauma is clunky to use as the secondary charge ability is ground targeted. Also the damage is bugged apparently.

[green ravine]

What lvl is the void staff?

[signal nymph]

Voidstrike or the electrostaff are the main go tos

12+

[green ravine]

Gotcha

[covert cosmos]

purge is real good too

[tulip drum]

flame is very good too

[wise pecan]

It builds up a lot of peril for what most folks consider is too weak an effect to justify losing out on your ranged weapon

[jaunty atlas]

i don't understand the power behind that. it's stronger on flesh than axe, ogryn maul, eveything i used

[green ravine]

Gotcha

[jaunty atlas]

to be fair that's a good weapon

[covert cosmos]

dueling sword has a headshot dmg multiplier iirc

it doesn't do as much as axe on body hits

[jaunty atlas]

1k in damnation ?! that's a hell of a multiplier

[light belfry]

Do consider that Muties take significantly more melee damage

[covert cosmos]

it is quite a good multiplier, it does out dps the axe. though it doesnt stagger like the axe...

[jaunty atlas]

hmm. antax 5 is really really nice

[wise pecan]

Antax is very nice

[royal granite]

i keep seeing people say horde clear is useless, i wonder if those people have just never been on D4+ without a dedicated horde clear

[pure rapids]

they say horde clear is useless because they find horde clear to be easiest

[wise pecan]

“Everyone has a melee weapon :)”

[pure rapids]

so they would rather spend those few mins to horde clear

than to clear it in less than 1 min

[covert cosmos]

2 of the popular staves are good at horde clear, so most probably don't worry about it much on melee weps

[royal granite]

it feels like half the time i bring surge the group gets drowned in groaners and poxwalkers

[covert cosmos]

devils claw with good cleave might be a good companion to surge

[light belfry]

Trash mobs aren’t dangerous by themselves but they can get in the way and pressure you out of being able to do other stuff

[royal granite]

yep

[light belfry]

it feels like a take you have if you don’t actually play darktide

[wise pecan]

Horde clear is useless until there’s a sniper that the veteran can’t shoot because there’s poxwalkers in his ass

[raven scarab]

groaners?

[royal granite]

plague zombies

[jaunty atlas]

6B makes everything a lot more easy to be fair. press F, switch to staff, profit

[wise pecan]

One of the types of basic enemy

[royal granite]

the little guys who go down in one hit

[light belfry]

like in theory poxers and groaners aren’t dangerous but in practice they can force you to stop what you’re doing which can be run ending

[raven scarab]

ah

[light belfry]

Groaners are the homeless people

Poxers are the actual zombies

[royal granite]

they're not homeless, we're literally in their home sibling

[light belfry]

they are in heaven now 💓

[covert cosmos]

which one are the guys wearing nothing by tighty whities?

[jaunty atlas]

they are infected, but now .. you know .. filled with joy

[wise pecan]

It’s my home now, I’m moving in and taking their plasteel

[jaunty atlas]

it's weird that pox do not smile btw.

it would make the game too creepy i guess

[light belfry]

Yeah

I wish there were more jubilant enemies

[royal granite]

they didn't use any of the happy nurglite aesthetic

so sad

oh except when pappy nurgle notices you at high peril

[light belfry]

beast of nurlge is too mean

[wise pecan]

To be fair, aren’t the pox walkers literally dead? It wouldn’t surprise me if their facial muscles just didn’t work

[royal granite]

he sounds very jovial then

[jaunty atlas]

oh no, they're very much alive and conscient. they just do no have the control

[royal granite]

both i believe

they are dead, but the plague traps their soul in the rotting body

[robust meteor]

smile for the camera

handsome boys

[royal granite]

anyway i'm fairly certain groaners are conventional plague zombies

[light belfry]

oh

[royal granite]

i'm not sure why this setting has multiple variants of zombie plague but it does

[jaunty atlas]

quite. the only thing that changes is : they are infectuous not only physically but psychologically as well

[royal granite]

plague zombies are made by a disease literally called the zombie plague, which is pretty goofy, while poxwalkers are made by the walking pox- listen, coming up with names is hard

[jaunty atlas]

you can catch the pox virus just by hearing them

[blazing dawn]

Doesnt say if the soul remains in the body sadly

[jaunty atlas]

the lore ! where is the juicy lore wiki

[royal granite]

lexicanum does

[blazing dawn]

ofc, my stupid ass forgot to check lexicanum

[jaunty atlas]

so they are dead but alive and not alive but dead. my mistake

[royal granite]

wiki for volume, lexicanum for accuracy

[raven scarab]

does anyone know of some tricks to reduce the stupid bright effects of surge and fire staff?

fire one is just super bright but the surge is bright and flashy

[jaunty atlas]

night filter on your screen, i'm pretty sure it's a windows option too. or yellow filtered glasses

[blazing dawn]

you can turn down lens effects, then it will look shitty tho and basically all reasl light effects are gone

[river sand]

the brightness isnt the bad part, blurring everything like you put on your grandmas glasses is the really killer

[royal granite]

nope, however it was reported that it's causing people issues and was escalated to the devs almost immediately

so surge is getting toned down soon for sure

[raven scarab]

already rock that

[raven scarab]

i'll take that if it means my eyes arent hurting

[jaunty atlas]

i removed camera sway and motion blur a long time a go i do not know if it change something

[raven scarab]

i dont even care about the blur since the bright flashy shit burns my eyes too much

[blazing dawn]

For all the gloom and bright light effects just play around with light and lens and i think bloom settings too

[jaunty atlas]

yo ! now when you possess a skin it is marked as owned !

[blazing dawn]

yea FINALLY

[jaunty atlas]

incredible.

[sturdy radish]

what do you guys think of this staff?

[manic needle]

My god, basic quality of life. It's.... beautiful.

[cyan notch]

pretty good

[sturdy radish]

i think the perks work well since it already mows through mobs easily

[manic needle]

Now get Terrifying Barrage on the consecration to make it really good

[sturdy radish]

i wish, with my luck even tho its not possible id get xp on it

[manic needle]

Well hey at least you can just rero-... Oh right, this is an early access game still.

[shy apex]

Its there any way to do this one

[raven scarab]

get an ogryn to block a demon

with the shield thing

[shy apex]

I have no one to help with

[raven scarab]

neither do i

[shy apex]

That mean no luck to do this alone

[raven scarab]

pretty much, you can try asking in lfg chats

[deft fiber]

#vox channels your best bet then. I've found group for this one there.

[shy apex]

Thank

I will try my luck

[green ravine]

lol i unlocked the dreaded trauma

[onyx sentinel]

Imagine if fatshark closes from the 19th and we’re stuck with yhe surge vfx and peril bug until January

What a fucking joke of a patch

[frank hawk]

Can someone tell me something about the modifers. Is it good if all values ​​are as high as possible? Or is it also good for some weapons if certain modifiers are lower?

[feral crater]

Not as much that lower is good, but that some stats see almost no use. Like crit for a psyker. And having a lower stat there means the rest are usually higher. Although charge rate might be good to be weaker on some to not overheat as much (surge staff)

Depends on your personal usage. Cc or anti armour

[frank hawk]

i play my psy only for support

[mild canopy]

Day 2 of maining void staff because surge staff still broken hows it going fellow staffers

[frank hawk]

Cc

surge staff

[feral crater]

Yeah, then minimizing charge rate can help you spam slightly more

[frank hawk]

the quell speed rate ?

lower is better ?

[indigo valley]

The surge staff worked really well on my last hunting grounds mission

[mild canopy]

Quell speed modifier is good to be higher, the higher the faster you quell

[rich meteor]

how hard can it be to revert the surge vfx change, this is the first time ive been frustrated about fatshark

[mild canopy]

I expect them to do it next week maybe

[rich meteor]

thats long for what literally should be a hotfix i feel

[warm delta]

maybe they dont want to revert it, they prolly think it's 'cool'

[rich meteor]

its literally unplayable for me i feel so sick after half a mission of using it, and all other staffs are not fun in damnation

[drowsy fog]

and thats pick n mix done

[ornate hamlet]

pick and mix was easy

just took 6 and 1/2 day of griefing

[cyan notch]

grats

[cyan notch]

i used void and purg theyre pretty decent

[blissful karma]

[PSA] Inner Tranquility Feat Still Reduces Quell Speed

[cyan notch]

that is....bad right?

[blissful karma]

I mean assuming you like to have low peril sooner it is..

[cyan notch]

odd i never noticed the reduced quell

the benefits are still good

good to be aware i guess

[gilded hatch]

which combat axe is better on psyker surge staff?

[river sand]

mkv cause its mkv

[wise pecan]

Decimator is pointless on psyker, but agreed

[cyan notch]

why would it be pointless

[meager plinth]

That MkV with brutal momentum 👌

[stark snow]

is dueling sword any good post momentum nerf? I'm a FS person, but this showed up in ym weekly

[frank hazel]

Hey guys. I finally made a psyker yesterday after only playing veteran so far which is my main. Any tips? I got to level 5 but I feel so squishy in comparison and getting downed quite fast

[manic needle]

Learn to focus all your hatred on the veteran killing your brain burst targets. It'll motivate you to stay alive longer so you can seethe at him.

[frank hazel]

Lmao yeah I feel that

[wise pecan]

Because, ideally, you literally never chain attacks with the antax on psyker

[manic needle]

Other than that, use cover against ranged, know how to dance in melee and watch your flank. Surge staff is good for control if you like to play defensively.

[normal hawk]

is this perk even good?

[manic needle]

Voidstrike and Purgatus are good for horde clearing, as is Trauma if you're one of the rare chads actually able to use it well without blowing yourself up

[cyan notch]

elites?

[manic needle]

Thats a horde clearing perk

[normal hawk]

Is this a horde clearing weapon haven't used it really

[wise pecan]

Staff, brain burst, or just deal with them the exact same way you deal with everything else: push strike

[manic needle]

I havent used duelling sword much but isnt it basically Saltzpyre's Rapier?

[drowsy salmon]

What kind of curio do i get to psyker , Health or Toughness?

[manic needle]

If so than it has mid range horde clear

[fair garnet]

sadly atm a bit nausea inducing

[normal hawk]

kinda a bad logical leap

[warm delta]

1 wound, 2 health, thats my setup

[spiral escarp]

I think it looks cool. Much better then the old version

[wise pecan]

I have one of each, and a wounds one for luck. As you get better at the game, toughness gains more value than hp

[fair garnet]

if you liked playing Vet, Voidstaff is almost the same playstyle, only you have penetrating shots, so line them up

[cyan notch]

so if a mutant is in your face you spam push attack?

[drowsy salmon]

@warm delta , @wise pecan thx

[manic needle]

If a mutant is in your face you gotta dodge son (or use Surge staff to stun it)

[frank hazel]

Thank you I'll give that a try once I get one.

[cyan notch]

and then what

[frank hazel]

Waiting for the shop to give me things

[wise pecan]

Mutant’s a special, not an elite, and ideally you would have pinged it and stunned with surge for your team to clean up

[spiral escarp]

You do your evil glare and hope others clean up your mess

[cyan notch]

oh for your team to clean up i see ok

[manic needle]

Depends. Brain burst is a decent option especially on lower difficulties. Otherwise its staff or ranged, melee if youre feeling spicy (just dont get caught)

[cyan notch]

after you dodged one and its in melee range you just keep on surging and wait for your teammates to come and melee it gotcha

[manic needle]

If I have to clutch Ill stick with Brain burst since I can focus on other mobs while it channels

[severe leaf]

How many bb on mutant damnation?

[manic needle]

4 without stacks, 3 with, lol

[cyan notch]

like 3 or 4

[severe leaf]

Ty kind rejects

[wise pecan]

I mean if you have to dodge it at all, either you’re not running surge (in which case, you can probably just kill it with your staff) or things have already gone wrong, in which case you say “fuck it” and improvise

[cyan notch]

wdym kill it with your staff

do u know how long it takes to kill a mutant with staffs

[wise pecan]

But usually you’re going to be push attack spamming, because that does 95% of the damage of a regular attack and hits more dudes

[wise pecan]

Are you asking if I’ve taken a stopwatch and tested it? No, because I play the game, and in the game when there’s a mutant my three allies tend to shoot it. If I have no allies and I have to kill the mutant myself, something has almost certainly gone Horribly Wrong and my death is imminent regardless of its presence

[cyan notch]

push attacks dont do 95% of a regular attack

[manic needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbmDLVFAaec

when you're a psyker but end up using an axe all the time for horde clear

[cyan notch]

why does your death have to be imminent maybe your team is handling their own business

[raven vigil]

Is like nobody using the force sword? I find it decent for horde clearing and it's awesome against specials and elites. It pairs well with the surge staff, although the psyker is slow with both at the same time

[raven scarab]

0.0

this looks good to upgrade

[magic burrow]

nice find

[raven scarab]

compared to my current

[wise pecan]

Because if I have to melee dance with a mutant my team is either in Kansas or the afterlife. In the former scenario, they’re generally either speedrunning and leaving me to deal with everything, or far more frequently they’re bad at sticking together and are also imminently dead. There is no scenario where the team hears a mutant, sees me ping it, and just goes “eh it’s fine I’ll leave it be”

[manic needle]

Its really bad for horde clearing poxwalkers on 4/5. Being single target and a finesse based weapon is bad for that, but great for elite and special killing, or controlling with the push attack/defensives with the deflector perk

[elfin crystal]

You can kill the charger with surge after a lil anyway

[raven vigil]

I mostly play in 4, and didn't have that much trouble horde clearing with the blessing increasing damage by 10% for each melee kills

[cyan notch]

why do you have to melee dance with a mutant tho? u just dodge then melee it while its afk and its dead

[manic needle]

You can use it, but try a weapon that has a proper cleave attack and youll see that the difference is night and day

FS is really good, it all depends on what your setup is IMO

I Strongly prefer FS when running voidstrike for example

[raven scarab]

is that a good blessing to have?

[elfin crystal]

You need good blessings on it kinda

[wise pecan]

In that case, decimator still isn’t helping you any more than something like Limbsplitter would

[manic needle]

Yeah thats nice, buy some other ones that have that blessing so you can upgrade it when Fatshark finally releases the full crafting system

[elfin crystal]

Yes

[wise pecan]

If you only need to hit something once or twice, a chained attack bonus isn’t doing shit to help

[raven vigil]

I went full control (surge staff, reduced F cd when using stacks, etc.) The force sword allows me to kill whatever my team and I didn't kill during the surge staff chain stun

[cyan notch]

its more like 4 or 5

[raven vigil]

I mean, I feel it works pretty well

[elfin crystal]

Just use a dagger and go zoomies on their ass while they are stunned

[manic needle]

Use what works for you, at the end of the day thats all that matters

[elfin crystal]

Ye

[wise pecan]

If it takes four or five hits, you’re gonna have to melee dance with the mutant. Antax is fast, it ain’t that fast

[raven vigil]

How does the dagger work against heavy armor like maulers, bulwarks and reapers?

[elfin crystal]

It has a lot of penetration so that's not an issue

Armor is a non issue for the dagger

[cyan notch]

no u dont

[raven vigil]

I'll have to try it then

[meager plinth]

Although it has little stagger so depending on the situation it might be safer to BB them

[boreal wave]

I am but I have trouble horde clearing with it. I am not a veteran of VT so this game's melee still tests me. Hard for me to cycle through light and heavy attacks accurately.

[wise pecan]

Clearly we’re not hanging out with the same mutants. Yours are turning around in slow motion, and mine must be on Speed

[cold oasis]

just spam the first part of block attack in a horde

[manic needle]

Dagger is nice as long as you dont mind having carpel tunnel 😛

[cold oasis]

somebody will get to you to kill everything after a while

[manic needle]

Shoutout to my click spamming dagger bros

[elfin crystal]

Yeah that's fair lmao

[cyan notch]

i mean youre out here recommending killing mutants with staffs so we are definitely not playing the same game

[boreal wave]

I like to contribute and not be a fifth wheel

[raven vigil]

I have over 1k hours of Vermin1 & Vermin2 combined, so that might help

[cyan notch]

your staffs must do 1000 damage per left click

[manic needle]

naaaah only like 400 to unyielding 😉

[boreal wave]

I understand that with a force sword the ideal combo is light, heavy, then block push. But I'll be damned if I can consistently make the transition into the heavy smoothly under stress and with 20 fps

[manic needle]

Also its the right click so yeah

[wise pecan]

Force sword isn’t great for horde clear, but it is fantastic at horde stagger

[manic needle]

I mean, you have to left click to activate the right click attack so it still counts, right?