psyker-class

[warm rune]

blocking resets chains

[burnt python]

because every time you block the chain resets

[warm rune]

Always +20%

[burnt python]

aka every push attack

[wise pecan]

20% free damage on every push attack

[olive ember]

if you are spamming push attack you never actually go into a chian

and on psyker specifically you only spam push attack

[long wharf]

oh so THAT'S what it does

[burnt python]

and you can use heavy > block > repeat on carapace for perma 20%

[olive ember]

on vet or zealot you probably want to go for decimator still honestly

or head taker

[vagrant cedar]

you guys play in such a weird way

[simple junco]

How so?

[vagrant cedar]

they use limbsplitter

[burnt python]

my guy you are free to play however you like, but you cant come in here calling things bad if yuou dont understand why they are good lol

[vagrant cedar]

can you explain how the momentum perk works

please

[olive ember]

though most zealots I heard are running the tac axe mk IV

[grizzled iris]

Imagine getting an Mk V Combat axe to kill Carapace

[burnt python]

you dont get hit stop, so your animation is faster and you cleave more shit

your axe doesnt get "stuck" in enemies

[olive ember]

every enemy has a hit mass, every weapon has a max hit mass they can hit before the weapon stops... when they "ignore hitmass" its infinite cleave basicallyl

[vagrant cedar]

yeah but how do you "trigger" it?

[burnt python]

you lop a mobs head off

[olive ember]

on weakspot hit

for 2.5 seconds on weakspot hit

[long wharf]

which you should be aiming for every swing

[burnt python]

which, when you are push attack spamming, happens naturally

[olive ember]

so literally any poxwalker head will trigger it

[burnt python]

you dont need to go out of yoru way to trigger momentum

it just happens

ifyou aim at heads

[grizzled iris]

KILL

[burnt python]

you dont take axe specifically to kill carapace, but that doesnt make it bad for that job

[vagrant cedar]

I tried in meatgrinder and the axe would still get stuck on the first enemy

[olive ember]

I actually run FS normally XD

[random wolf]

You're not gonna automatically start cleaving everything like it's the Power Sword

[burnt python]

then momentum wasn't active

[vagrant cedar]

but i did hit them in the head

[random wolf]

But its super noticeable that you're carving through hordes

[vagrant cedar]

that's what confused tf out of me

[olive ember]

it only triggers after you hit one guy in the head

did you swing a second time?

[burnt python]

it doesnt trigger on the enemy you kill, it activvates after that kill for a set time

[vagrant cedar]

yeah

[random wolf]

Swap back to an Axe without it and you'll feel the difference.

[warm rune]

How were you cleaving in meatgrinder, did you push enemies together?

[olive ember]

Actually do you play vet? how does this lasgun make you feel

[stuck bridge]

they fixed the sprint cancel techs huh

[burnt python]

7 points from perfection

[long wharf]

yep

[stuck bridge]

well

[wise pecan]

It’s a natural result of peril blocking. Stamina becomes free to use, which means shoving becomes an excellent way to stagger a horde near-indefinitely. Brutal momentum grants infinite cleave on headshot kill, which means with the high-damage sideways swipe of the MK V axe’s shove attack you can frequently trigger it, then hit many enemies at once. It’s the safest way to deal with a horde on psyker, if you’re not running purgatus.

Limbsplitter increases the damage on every single one of your shove attacks (which, as established, you are spamming) by 20%, thereby making brutal momentum that much more likely to trigger while having minimal cost (you aren’t frequently chaining strikes)

[stuck bridge]

i didnt want to resort to that

[olive ember]

Too bad its on my damn psyker and not my VETERAN

[prisma minnow]

Listening to the Horus Heresy audio books made grinding "out with a bang" much more tolerable

[stuck bridge]

but now psyker is just boring again

[boreal sun]

bababooey

[orchid nacelle]

i wish they'd just let psyker be a little powerful for the sake of fun

it feels too gameified

[warm rune]

Here's mine

[boreal sun]

Henry Cavill is playing in some Warhammer tv shenanigans produced by amazon

[warm rune]

12% mobility lmao

[long wharf]

the #1 problem with psyker right now is the epileptic seizure we suffer when using the surge staff

[warm rune]

Hopefully they fix it ;_;

[olive ember]

Just stare at your keyboard, I find that helps

[wise pecan]

They are aware of the issue

[naive dawn]

That and the brainburst 100% peril bug, that is incredibly frustrating.

[burnt python]

it effects staves too lol

& fs special

[naive dawn]

yeh, you cant quell once you hit 100% very frustrating. For close to 3 seconds.

[burnt python]

cant even ch ange weapons

[prisma minnow]

Can anyone confirm warp battery penance works on malice? I seen past reports that it actually needs to be on heresy or above

[night marten]

it was bugged a while ago, but was fixed a couple weeks back

[prisma minnow]

ty, appreciate the response

[naive dawn]

Has anyone else had a weird issue where after charging up a staff attack you press LMB and it takes multiple presses before the staff will fire?

Like it animation cancels itself?

[warm rune]

Yes

[night marten]

make sure to run kinetic barrage, flayer, communion, and tranquility for best results

[burnt python]

yes, seems to be a server-side issue, happens more frequently as you go up in difficulty as the hordes get thicker

[warm rune]

Also I get stuck in the charge animation when firing

[night marten]

been frustrating

[naive dawn]

Holy cow its so frustrating, been noticing it more often lately.

[prisma minnow]

Perfect! 🙂

[olive ember]

to be fair warp battery penance is easy and you will probably get it naturally by playing heresy with how big the hordes are, make sure you run communion and kinetic flayer, and your lvl 30 feat is kinetic barrage (A so you dont discharge your warp stacks by accident, B so you can press F and quickly BB someone to refresh warp charges if you are about to drop em)

[wise pecan]

Can confirm, that bug was fixed. I got it on malice, with purgatus and Ascendant Blaze

[burnt python]

it'll even happen w/ melee where you swing/block w/e and the input just gets eaten

maybe an issue w/ input queuing

[naive dawn]

The main issue in trying to get it is watch for elevators

[prisma minnow]

Ya I don't think it will be a challenge I just need to do it since I very rarely brain burst

[naive dawn]

They will destroy your stacks while you wait for people to get in/move to next area.

[prisma minnow]

certainly nothing close to 7 mins lol

[stuck bridge]

was that force staff change just vfx

[burnt python]

can you bring a lil mob on the elevator w/ you?

[long wharf]

5 minutes

[olive ember]

the Force sword AOE explosion as turned out to just be a VFX, the "more impactful" surge staff VFX change was a nerf that gives everyone a headache while using it

[naive dawn]

No, if an enemy is an elevator it wont go, just try to brain burst while near the elevator to make sure to refresh the duration, but other than that you should be able to get it if you actively work on refreshing stacks in case of bad rng.

[olive ember]

Atleast its not a slap in the face for the peopel who did it prior to nerf... looks at cliffhanger

[burnt python]

you could probably also just sit at the start of a m ap for a while

[long wharf]

yeah

[burnt python]

on high intensity 4/5

i actually got that one without tryign fortunately

my quest for organic suicide penance has been less fruitful

[stuck bridge]

oh no...

[prisma minnow]

I got going out with a bang earlier, I suspect this one will be a walk in the park in comparison

[naive dawn]

I dont have peeps to play with and I just pug damn/heresy. I'm not gonna tell them to let me solo a boss for my penance. These penances are just trolling teammates in PUG's.

[wise pecan]

“I had it bad so everyone else should too” is a terrible take

[warm rune]

pick n mix was so much easier than bang for me

[long wharf]

Cliffhanger didn't need to be lowered from 20 to 7

[warm rune]

Except that it's not healthcare or college tuition, it's achievements based on challenge

[prisma minnow]

bang took me several hours unfortunately

with bots

[long wharf]

I found bang very easy to get

Pick n Mix was the bane of my existence for a week

[next vigil]

Assuming it matters - would a short or tall Psyker be ideal?

[warm rune]

I like short for cover

[naive dawn]

same

I made my smol, so I can hide behind boxes easier

[shut oak]

how do you post SS in here?

[wise pecan]

20 is absurd. Sure, maybe like 15 would have been more reasonable than 7, but you can’t tell me that 20 ever came up without some nonsense

[burnt python]

how were you relieably getting bot games? every time i try that shit ppl join

[naive dawn]

20 isnt hard, its just very map reliant.

[prisma minnow]

it use to be 20?!?!

[warm rune]

20 required you to work with your team to do it, which based on other achievements they don't care about that

[olive ember]

IT used to be 20

[wise pecan]

Meanwhile. Vet’s baseline penance is “throw a grenade”

[prisma minnow]

damnation

[olive ember]

they changed it to 7

[long wharf]

on heresy with increased horde, it came up easily

and on a particular map, the penance was stupid easy to do

[prisma minnow]

I'm also on gamepass, maybe that helped

[burnt python]

damnation usually actually fills up now for better or worse

ahhh yeah gamepass

[wise pecan]

Except it isn’t a Heresy penance now is it?

[olive ember]

Also I'm not saying that peopel ahve to suffer like I did to push 20 enemies off, I'm jsut saying that I'm salty lmao

[long wharf]

you can always do a penance on a higher difficulty

a shame you didn't think of that.

[abstract phoenix]

I got it from xbox gamepass so do I get the imperial edition with it?

[warm rune]

doubt it

[wise pecan]

Yeah, but the baseline ones are clearly expected to be pretty reasonably doable on a whim. The vet’s is “throw a grenade”. The zealot’s is “throw a grenade at a sniper”. The ogryn’s is “throw a grenade at an objective”

[long wharf]

yeah, psyker penances are the worst

you won't get an argument about that from me

[warm rune]

looks at heavyweight

[drowsy fog]

Fatshark hates psykers

[robust meteor]

yeah, psyker penances are the most rewarding

[jovial vigil]

the imperium hates psykers

[long wharf]

I guess they're just being lore-nazis

[drowsy fog]

Whole Lotta nerve for people in brain bursting reach

[static moon]

lore accurate suffering

[forest meadow]

Dear God Finally 100% Psyker. Don't actually know what to do now though.

[naive dawn]

Play the game, have fun.

[warm rune]

Well the imperium is facist

[long wharf]

go play something else because now you're burned out

[shut oak]

damn you got lifeleach already done?

[robust meteor]

finish lifeleach

[grizzled iris]

Doesn't make it good for it either

[shut oak]

im only 183/200 on LL 5

[forest meadow]

Eh Lifeleach 3 completed is good enough for me

[lusty wave]

Guys, does combat ability regeneration in curios affect the power up like psykers psykentic wrath??

[forest meadow]

Anymore and ill die of boredom.

[naive dawn]

all ults

that was combat ability is

[long wharf]

I have 70 missions left for Lifeleech 5

[grizzled iris]

I don't actually

[humble bluff]

what happens if I say no to powering the golden throne?

[lusty wave]

@naive dawn so it lessens the time for the ult then right?

[long wharf]

you aren't given a choice

[naive dawn]

it decreases cooldown time on ult

[lusty wave]

Niceee

[naive dawn]

is basically 3% combat ability regen

so 3% cooldown reduction

[lusty wave]

I got 3 3% combat regeneration

Noiceeee

[wise pecan]

Eh I mean there’s obviously better tools for it (force sword), but but combat axe is pretty effective against carapace. Basically the best melee weapon psyker has for it except obviously the force sword

[olive ember]

a chainsword zealot.... mmmmm

[drowsy fog]

How long has the emperor been sitting in one spot? Probably smells awful

[long wharf]

almost 10000 years

or is it 5000? I don't remember

[grizzled iris]

Yes, my 60% crit chance Chain Sword Zealot

[lusty wave]

It's 10k years

[warm rune]

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-zCpJXQ6P3LxyImLK-J6X7Nw-t500x500.jpg

[gilded hatch]

what do you think is the best psyker melee weapon?

[lusty wave]

He got fucked in 30k

[wise pecan]

Horus Heresy was early 30K, it’s 10000

[warm rune]

Does rotting corpse have a smell?

[lusty wave]

@warm rune yes lmfao

[drowsy fog]

Very much so

[warm rune]

10k years into decay?

[long wharf]

I imagine he smells "holy"

[wise pecan]

He can’t be rotting that much, given that he still exists

[long wharf]

he isn't dead, no decay

[wise pecan]

He’s already done his rotting

[drowsy fog]

God emperor is canonically stinky let's go

[wise pecan]

Now he’s just a skeleman

[long wharf]

and I'm sure the imperial guard gives him sponge baths

they surely relish it

[warm rune]

Custodes

[long wharf]

Spongebath Imperialis

[drowsy fog]

Lol it's your turn to wash God today

[warm rune]

Weren't the SoB one of the first to ever see him outside the custodes?

[long wharf]

don't forget under the sack

isn't the emperor canonically celibate?

[naive dawn]

@gilded hatch I love the chainsword personally, extremely useful in all situations and has really solid boss/elite/special damage.

Plus 1 rev and a hit on a dog can kill it.

[grizzled iris]

If I had to choose 1 of those 3 horrible weapons I'd have to say the dagger, because the dagger atleast allows you to run and get your other useful allies off the ground.

[empty granite]

Can someone explain to me why the sprint while charging on the Surge staff is so much faster than the other staves?

[long wharf]

is it?

[empty granite]

Test it

[gilded hatch]

lol. why are these weapons horrible lol 😛

[grizzled iris]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-lampo-speed-gif-18173027

[warm rune]

I'd go axe, fuck the dagger

[gilded hatch]

i really like to have a non-force melee weapon because it quels fast. and i like to use the talent to get toughness when i quell

[warm rune]

Chainsword feels really bad to me, dunno if it's the lack of response when light attacking or the delay in special attack

[naive dawn]

Pmsag, the are relatively low "overall" base stats, dagger has really unfortunate blessings.

if you want good dodge/speed try dueling sword instead of dagger, I like dueling sword with surge staff.

[grizzled iris]

Crit chainsword on a class that doesn't synergize at all with crit, Crit combat Axe with horrible perks, and then the combat dagger.. Do I need to say anything else? If you're gonna run combat dagger then atleast get lacerate so you can build bleed stacks for your Ogryn and Zealot

[olive ember]

Its a pain in the ass but one shotting damnation maulers with FS is funny

[robust meteor]

best movement combo right here. sneaky psyker play

[long wharf]

nothing says "stealth" like making people's heads glow bright blue

[gilded hatch]

what makes the combat axe bad?

[warm rune]

Flak damage is a bad perk? sure the crit but flak?

[naive dawn]

zap and dash, I just cant use surge right now. The underwater/every full charge flashbang wears down my eyes.

[gilded hatch]

the blessings seem to be very strong

[meager plinth]

what would be a good duelling sword for damnation?

[robust meteor]

wouldn't the effect fuck over someone with epilepsy? im not a doctor

[gilded hatch]

which melee crit change you actually hit a lot. with your cleave

[humble bluff]

isn't the god emperor technically born a psyker @long wharf

[severe folio]

think so

[long wharf]

not technically, he is a natural psyker of god-level strength

he's so powerful he exists in the warp as well as reality

[gilded hatch]

which of those three weapons are strong as psyker?

[naive dawn]

Yeh, I've heard and see a lot of forum comments saying it causing people with those issues to suffer. I imagine it will get reverted back next week.

I'm just stunned it went live like this.

[long wharf]

my own head canon is that he's the product of humanity's belief in god(s)

[robust meteor]

funny bc humans are getting bigger heads as more babies are born

[long wharf]

it's called nutrition

[robust meteor]

no its c sections

[long wharf]

c-sections are the result of bigger heads, not the cause of bigger heads

[robust meteor]

it allows those bigger heads to grow up and have more big headed babies who then go on to be delivered via c section

evolution my guy

[long wharf]

.. you're still not getting it

but that's fine, I don't feel like arguing with you about it, either

[robust meteor]

im not talking about the cuase, but why there are more in recent times

[long wharf]

time to play Darktide and check shops

[robust meteor]

i'm not even arguing. we're just talking about two different things lol

[long wharf]

oh man, it's a good thing Sour Milk knows exactly what a psyker needs and is offering me all guns

[wise pecan]

I think it’s probably fair to say that babies are on average having bigger heads, solely because the big-headed babies aren’t dying or killing their mothers in childhood, but I doubt there’s any reasonable way to tell if that’s translating to bigger heads in adulthood or not

[long wharf]

at the end of the day, nutrition and available calories is what most contributes to how much an individual grows

[robust meteor]

thats fine. you just seem quick to rule out genetics

[long wharf]

nope, I chose my words carefully

[tardy flower]

the emperor recommends only the finest corpse starch

[south sequoia]

This chat

[long wharf]

as well he should

[olive ember]

which power sword is better btw

[grizzled iris]

Are you going to run around in melee at all times? Then Flak is okay, if you are playing a Psyker and use a staff then you only pull it out when forced to. And the only time you'd be forced into melee would be from a special or a boss.
Scab Gunners would be killed in 3 hits instead of 4 with 20% flak armor dmg or higher, but why would you melee a gunner?
Mauler, would die in 7 hits instead of 8. But why are you melee'ing a Mauler? just BB him twice, or use your Staff (Unless Surge staff, then just BB twice)
Flak armored non named mobs. Would still take 2 hits to kill.
Drek and Scab shotgunners would still take 3 hits to kill. (Why are you melee'ing a shotgunner?)
Bomber would die in 1 hit instead of surviving with 30 HP

So, why would I say that Flak dmg on Combat axe is bad? Idk, the math and logic behind it just doesn't work out for me.

[long wharf]

the right one, because finesse affects your melee crit chance

[naive dawn]

derpy, both are about the same, very low overall stats. I would stick with your upgraded one till you find one with a high base overall roll

[wise pecan]

I wouldn’t go that far. Nutrition is definitely a huge factor in a population’s average height, but on an individual scale genetics definitely plays a bigger role, unless the kid is actively starving

[tawny maple]

more or less the same I suppose, the real question is why are you asking it in the psyker chat lmao

[twilit comet]

Does anyone know if this new headpiece thing covers up your hair?

[olive ember]

Because the psyker chat gives me the most reliable info

[long wharf]

something can only affect a population's average if it has an affect on the individual

[naive dawn]

lol

[olive ember]

have you seen the other chats

[grizzled iris]

The combat axe is bad because it doesn't have any good Perk or blessing for the task it would be used for.

[prime herald]

How good is Blazing Spirit with Ascendant Blaze? This from Melk seem worth? Haven't gotten to try Blazing Spirit yet

[long wharf]

Blazing Spirit is trash, because the only staff you want it on can't get it

[grizzled iris]

1 stack on soulblaze does like 4 dmg a tick, so it is kinda useless tbh

[long wharf]

if you aren't running a purge build you don't care about soulblaze at all

[hardy lily]

Void strike is for instant killing hordes not DOT

[tawny maple]

Wait just a second, let me summon someone. You'll see

Voidstike is better than surge

[long wharf]

well, time to hate myself and level up my ogryn more

[olive ember]

how dare you

[hardy lily]

You want no interrupt + faster channel ideally on almost every staff

[prime herald]

Damage trash, not sure if potentially worth for warp charges constantly being up or something

[long wharf]

on void you want peril transfer

[night marten]

weird, think I pushed a burster here by activating FS special, or just spamming block registered right before the special animation procced.

[long wharf]

on purge, warp flurry and warp nexus is ideal

[tawny maple]

No, you used your ult

[grizzled iris]

Both yes and no, depends on useage. But overall Voidstrike has more things that it can do than the Surge, which makes it more versatile and more preferable.

[pale basalt]

hey fam, we still broken today?

[wise pecan]

Duh. The relative importance can shift, though. FOMO timers definitely increase a product’s sales when available, but on an individual level I order the limited edition fish burger at arbies because I like the taste, not because it’s only available seasonally

[pale basalt]

on strike till fix

[long wharf]

yep

[pale basalt]

ty PF

[night marten]

ah you're right lol

just a reflex

[tawny maple]

most safe way to take bursters out

and save teammates from them

[timber fable]

Hey all, someone told me that one of the dueling swords is crap and the other two are good. Is there any truth to that or was that guy talking out of his ass?

[prime herald]

Is it even possible to get Infernus perk on recon guns for Psyker lol

[long wharf]

I prefer surge, I've frequently had a burster not get pushed back by my ult, but never had a burster not get pushed back by surge

[grizzled iris]

Surge Staff into BB, or just Surge it as it is in its jumping animation and it will explode once it tries to stand up.

[small sinew]

hey yall, is this worth it? what am I looking for on it?

https://gyazo.com/724f99f8421c00c441cc5e395eeb5623

[tawny maple]

How will you surge a burster 20 meters away though

[teal cargo]

Surge is safest way yea

[hushed cedar]

Question, the Force Sword special attack---since it locks onto an enemy, what part of the enemy does it hit? Is it considered a chest hit, headshot, etc?

[night marten]

yea I normally basic block push

[grizzled iris]

Just aim at it

[teal cargo]

well if they 20 m away from any teammates just bb them

[night marten]

wherever the hit lands on the enemy, just ike a normal attack

[teal cargo]

if they on top of teammates the only thing that'll save them is surge

[grizzled iris]

Tested, and @wise pecan was correct, it locks on to the part that your sword hit.

[wise pecan]

It locks on to the part that your sword hits, which can be a chest shot, head shot, foot shot, etc

[hushed cedar]

Ok, thanks. It's just always hard to tell since the camera always points at the ground during the locking animation, even if I hit the head

[kindred sphinx]

• warp on crit is best with void

[teal cargo]

Anyone know how much dmg do crits do?

[kindred sphinx]

literal infinite void spam

[teal cargo]

like whats the mult?

and do crits stack with headshots?

[kindred sphinx]

also void is best period

every other staff is ass

[teal cargo]

everybody has diff opinions on what staff is best

[long wharf]

aaaaand you lost me.

[teal cargo]

😆

[kindred sphinx]

no i didn't

u just don't know yet

[candid hawk]

thinking every staff is ass sounds like a skill issue

[kindred sphinx]

void is meta by far honestly, the stagger and knock is stronger than surge

[tawny maple]

Don't know what

[kindred sphinx]

void is best by far

[wise pecan]

You can tell from your cursor color (easier on targets that have enough hp to not die). On things like plague ogryns, you get the white hitmarker on the force sword special if you hit em in the torso, but the yellow hitmarker (and a lot more damage) if you headshot em

[long wharf]

yes, I only have just over 200 hours playing a psyker, I guess I just don't know yet

[teal cargo]

Surge is good

[candid hawk]

rofl

[night marten]

na, completely up for debate, you've missed weeks of conversation about that

[teal cargo]

and Purg

and there are Trauma enjoyers

[tawny maple]

Quiet guys, AL1 just came back from malice. Let him share the wisdom

[teal cargo]

☠️

[night marten]

lol

[naive dawn]

Who enjoys Trauma :< those poor Psykers.

[candid hawk]

i was skeptical on the purg staff till i rolled a god roll, its insane now

[small sinew]

What do you want on surge staff?

[kindred sphinx]

huh i have a 30 ogryn first few days and i don't play much since then but every staff is ass

[candid hawk]

everything burns period lol

[kindred sphinx]

except void

[teal cargo]

just good warp res really

[naive dawn]

Warp Flurry/Warp Nexus/Focus Channeling

[night marten]

sounds like you have some learning/practice to do

[naive dawn]

For base stats, damage/charge mainly then preference imo.

[rain jetty]

So is force sword just not worth using if you're also using a staff?

[long wharf]

I don't find focus channeling important for surge

if you're using it right, things are stunned around you

[candid hawk]

I love how a dude who barely scratches the surface of the game thinks they have the right opinions no second guessing lol

[night marten]

not sure why you think that

[tawny maple]

Learn the weapon and it won't be ass. Every staff is good if you know how to use it

[kindred sphinx]

no i don't, people will realise it soon enough im confident enough in this to say so here

[teal cargo]

I can say all the staffs are pretty usable for diff situations

[kindred sphinx]

no trauma is terrible

[hushed cedar]

Force Sword is BIS melee weapon regardless of ranged

[naive dawn]

It helps on gunners only, but since we cant control blessings yet. Just hope for not hipfire imo.

[kindred sphinx]

surge is meh

[candid hawk]

good for you man im glad you feel so confident rofl

[kindred sphinx]

purge is bad

[grizzled iris]

Best Staff for different purposes.
CC=Surge Staff
Hordes=Voidstrike
Hordes with Elites in it=Purgatus

[tawny maple]

Wait until its fixed lmao

[full panther]

I did it y'all

Deflector on a sword that doesn't blow

[kindred sphinx]

u think surge is good because it stuns 4 ppl oh wow

[wise pecan]

I wouldn’t go that far. Force sword at the very least has the unique utility of blocking bullets (and still being able to do things)

[hushed cedar]

I'm super jelly

[teal cargo]

yea stunning 4 Gunners iis pretty good

[runic hornet]

let's fucking go

[teal cargo]

or 4 Bulwarks

[runic hornet]

finally, a deflector to replace my level 20 one

[long wharf]

I can't keep reading this train wreck called AL1, time to play

[naive dawn]

its more than 4, which makes me wonder if you have used the surge and know that its not used for damage but for cc and setup.

[patent hatch]

Surge = CC
Void = Damage
Purge = 50/50

CC is more important on higher levels though as over classes are better equipped at dealing mass damage.

[peak agate]

Just found out if you refine a weapon enough times it becomes free to refine

[runic hornet]

no, it's that you aren't going to get 4 gunners or 4 bulwarks in a single pull unless something hilarious has happened lol

[peak agate]

Been spamming this shit forever until I got it

[wise pecan]

Unironically yes. Stunning 4-6 people instantly (including dogs and bursters) with minimal requirements for aim is huge

[robust meteor]

thats fine i'll just be stroking my surge waiting in the extraction shuttle

[tawny maple]

Ever tried damnation? 3 crushers is normal there

[twilit comet]

Nice. Deflector is a game changer. Honestly - they should make it a passive trait that's part of the class. Let them deflect when bocking with any melee weapon.

[runic hornet]

here's the thing
stunning 4 poxwalkers is a joke and you should be meleeing them
stunning 4 ragers is lifesaving

[twilit comet]

It's a huge compensation for psykers squishyness

[teal cargo]

People have interesting opinions

[patent hatch]

I wouldn’t be refining unless it’s 350+ in the modifiers

[night marten]

or at the very least a passive of FS

[wise pecan]

Yep yep

[rapid cliff]

no

[runic hornet]

yes, I have, but i've never seen 5+ of the same ogyrn TYPE in one pull

I've seen 3+3 crusher/bulwark

[night marten]

otherwise should just use axe/dueling

[runic hornet]

antax, my beloved

[peak agate]

Don't worry, I'm waiting for the earn blessing to be added so I can get deflector to this sword

close enough

[runic hornet]

waiting for blessings
See you in january

[naive dawn]

Yep

[fresh steeple]

okay, Psyker collective. Crowdsourcing a question for y'all.

I got this Duelling Sword today. However, I don't really use them, and after trying it out in Psykanium I can't even begin to see how it could be more useful in any way than my Antax Mk V axe. Does someone have a good way to use Duelling Swords? Is there something about them that I'm missing?

[night marten]

you think it's only going to take a month?

[patent hatch]

Chain sword my beloved

[ashen ore]

Anyone else notice that they can't quell randomly sometimes?

[peak agate]

[runic hornet]

dueling swords used to be better than knives for movement tech, but attack-slides got hugely nerfed

[jade geode]

What ya'll are missing:
Void can stun multiple elites, in some cases, when they're all properly clumped together.
Surge can stun 4-8 elites/shooters, spread apart, through cover.

[night marten]

known bug, will be fixed

[patent hatch]

It’s a bug

[naive dawn]

@patent hatch Just an FYI that blessing is currently bugged pretty bad on chainsword.

[wise pecan]

They dodge good. That’s it, that’s the only positive quality dueling swords have

[runic hornet]

no love for trauma, my beloved

[naive dawn]

It causes hit issues with revved attack animation, it works most of the time

[ashen ore]

Thanks, I thought I was just being an idiot

[patent hatch]

Ik lmao it’s shit, but god rolled stats so Idc

[naive dawn]

But sometimes it wont do damage

[robust meteor]

the mk 5 is better at dancing heavy spam. makes you untouchable. dont like the 2 or 4 personally

[jade geode]

Not until they fix the absolute joke of radius and damage falloff >~>

[full panther]

as others have said, it's a bug and it's caused by reaching 100% perils twice within a short span of time while brainbursting

[fresh steeple]

that's not a great thing to hear, given I have Kinetic Deflection and +Block anyway, and Antax has better horde clear from what I'm seeing

[runic hornet]

the radius isn't small
I'm going to post the pasta again

[patent hatch]

Just reroll it later

[runic hornet]

Trauma: Epicentre 2.29m, blast radius 8.32m.
Rumbler: Epicentre 2.77m, blast radius 8.85m. Does way less damage than trauma
Frags: No listed stats but blast radius of "maybe 10 meters" eyeballed. Does even less damage than rumbler, and hugely so.
Voidstrike: Epicentre 1.32m, Blast radius 3.56m. It's tiny.
Voidstrike damage gets close to 500 and definitely breaks it with perks, but it basically needs near-direct hits.

[full panther]

5 is probably the best but I do like the 4 as a pretty nice all purpose weapon

[night marten]

damage is bugged, and peril cost is too high

[full panther]

it's good at everything and the thrust heavy has good range

[naive dawn]

Mine I use, just waiting to be able to reroll that blessing ;x

[teal cargo]

damage is not bugged

[jade geode]

No need. I know what you mean and I've tested it myself. The knockdown is large.
The damage is pitiful. more than a few inches away from an enemy and you do like 10 dmg XD

[teal cargo]

its intended to be low

UI bug

😔

[fresh steeple]

the thrust heavy does, like, 1/4 as much damage as the heavy from Antax

[runic hornet]

The pieplate is still larger than voidstrike ball
Now voidstrike ball is a bowling ball and if enemies are lined up (and they are so VERY often lined up, yes) you can blow up a long rectangle of enemies, which is amazing

[patent hatch]

Dang better perks

[fresh steeple]

and the main reasons I use Antax are 1. heavy attacks on big targets, 2. horde protection/pushing, and 3. block walling

[burnt python]

im a trauma truther but you're intentionally omitting very relevant shit like charge-up time, ease of aiming, range, peril gen, etc

[patent hatch]

Still kinda salty that you can’t reroll both perks like wtf

[fresh steeple]

so the Mk V is the one to want for duelling

[fresh steeple]

eh... if you could, then it wouldn't matter what perks a weapon had

[runic hornet]

Peril gen is the main one
Charge up time is actually very good on an 80 staff

[fresh steeple]

because you'd always be able to get perfect perks no matter what

I don't mind a bit of RNG on weapons

[full panther]

oh you're talking about axes

[burnt python]

not in comparison to a rumbler

[night marten]

guns all the way down

[full panther]

I thought you were talking the dueling swords

[fresh steeple]

well, I'm talking about the swords

[patent hatch]

Ik that’s what I want

[fresh steeple]

and how I can't see them being better than axes

[runic hornet]

rumbler can shoot instantly but the grenade has a delayed explosion of as long as 2.0 seconds (I have absolutely no idea how the fuse is calculated, it seems to be completely random?!)

[grizzled iris]

It is better to look at it from an analytical point of view.
Surge staff=
Pros: CC, Armor Damage
Cons: Poor non armor damage, No horde clear, Lack of Range, Unable to Snipe

Purgatus=
Pros: CC, Armor Damage, Horde Clear, Non Armor Damage
Cons: Lack of Range, Requires awareness, Unable to Snipe

Voidstrike=
Pros: CC, Armor dmg, Non Armor dmg, Can Snipe, Horde Clear
Cons: Requires awareness, Requires skill

Trauma=
Pros: CC, Armor dmg, Non Armor dmg
Cons: No Horde Clear, Lack of Range, Unable to Snipe, Requires Awareness, Requires skill and setup.

There are some other things that you can throw in there but nothing I can think about at the moment.

[burnt python]

movement speed debuff while charging prevents corner-peek spam like rumbler can do as well

[fresh steeple]

okay, well... Guess you'll have to be salty

[robust meteor]

anyone ever kill something at max melee range where you dont get any kill/audio triggers on your UI?

[runic hornet]

slide

[patent hatch]

I’ve got +20% carapace damage which is great but this 8% pox walker damage is just annoying

[runic hornet]

same as sliding while starting a heavy charge up

[burnt python]

still a directly worse version when you can slide w/ rumbler too

[runic hornet]

dodgeslide gets you out from behind cover easy

[burnt python]

i run trauma in damn sometimes, i'm more likely to agree w/ you than others on the topic, but you're overlooking valid drawbacks

[naive dawn]

This dog event is incredibly underwhelming

its just two dogs

[runic hornet]

rumbler takes 2.3 seconds to reload, trauma charges in 1.3. If you're of the mindset that you should reload your rumbler before putting it away, the rumbler is slower.

[full panther]

they're all fun for 4 and below, on 5 though I definitely lean heavy towards either Surge or Voidstrike

[fresh steeple]

ah. that's far less obnoxious than I figured it would be

[naive dawn]

I kinda miss the dark stages

[burnt python]

if you wanna compare that way you have to count quell time too

rumbler also suppresses while trauma does not

[fresh steeple]

I had a Damnation group earlier that refused to even try it

[runic hornet]

panic rumbler->melee pushes is useful but you can dodge->trauma your own feet (huge aoe radius)->use the blast you actually need to save your dogged teammate

[burnt python]

at that point youre comparing quick ch arges which are reduced aoe and dmg

[robust meteor]

bait your team. i like it

[wise pecan]

I just want the global conditions to reset in a reasonable amount of time, like they clearly intended. What is this “new global conditions in: 537 minutes” nonsense

[grizzled iris]

In the current state with the peril bug and the visual mess of the Surge staff, I'd say Void Staff > Surge in Damnation

[runic hornet]

perils is weird because you can quell it completely passively
So if you're grinding through a horde, you can think of it as having 2.5 "fast rumblers" that have minimal impact on your melee uptime

[burnt python]

infinite range is the biggest difference tho, rumbler is a legit option for dealing w/ gunner chaff and trauma is situational there

[kindred sphinx]

ye but void is literal infinite spam with the - warp on crit, it can one shot 7 ppl or w/e with headshot pens + splosion, it staggers anything even the aoe

[runic hornet]

which is non-trival with antax

[fresh steeple]

so I've got this, which I haven'tb een using. Not close ot max stats, but decent blessings and such.

How would you compare it to Antax?

[burnt python]

i agree trauma is significantly more viable when running non-force sword

[runic hornet]

Psykers have BB for ranged, which frankly I find more consistent than rumbler-bonking

[burnt python]

bb does not deal with entire groups of ranged shit

rumbler suppresses and KDs giving you time to gap close

[runic hornet]

neither does rumbler when the enemy riflemen have done their "get to cover" behavior

so it's a wash there

[burnt python]

its not a wash lol

[runic hornet]

rumbler has the questionable utility of being able to put one grenade in an unactivated rifle squad

the question then is why would you do that

why would you intentionally activate an unactivated rifle pod at that long range, do you just hate your team

[burnt python]

so you can approach before tehy start shooting?

[twilit comet]

No as you don't no? Or no as in it does NOT cover your hair?

[burnt python]

i gotta run to dinner, pce

[wise pecan]

Nah dude rumbler is worlds better at dealing with gunners, just from the utility of being able to force them out of cover via knockdown

[robust meteor]

haven't used antax enough to really know

[covert cosmos]

dueling sword is good. doesn't stagger armored dudes but has more mobility

[runic hornet]

my experience is they end up horizontal behind waist high cover and railings most of the time anyway vOv

[fresh steeple]

here's my more general question with Duelling Swords, then, setting aside models of swords: what makes them better than Antax?

[wise pecan]

skill issue fair

[full panther]

Thoughts on this staff? Been loving it in damnation so far but not sure if I should try for one with better peril resistance.

[runic hornet]

used to be slide movetech but that's severely nerfed

[covert cosmos]

it has upsides and downsides

[fresh steeple]

yes, post slide movetech

[runic hornet]

light attack on DS->slide used to be absurd movetech

now... not very much tbh

both knife and DS movetech got pretty shafted and I think you're pretty much better off with taxe now

if you want a weapon with long dodges

[fresh steeple]

in the post-nerf world, is it worth using them over Antax and why?

[runic hornet]

taxe for speedy boi, antax for killing power

taxe dodges are still useful if you want to play purgatus staff IMO, or even trauma

[fresh steeple]

because dodge was all I could see, and it's not that great, and the damage is way worse from my testing

[runic hornet]

yeah, the power scaling IMO is something like taxe>a power gap>DS>Knife now

with DS and knife just not having much of a purpose

[spiral remnant]

9 golden guns now... still not a single golden save from big E

kil me

this is agony

[runic hornet]

they used to have crazy slides, now they have nothing of value

[fresh steeple]

you mean tactical axe, right?

just to be clear?

[dusky lantern]

can Deflector blessing block sniper shots?

[runic hornet]

yeah, among the "big dodge" weapons

taxe is now king

[long wharf]

no

[fresh steeple]

no, which is dumb

[dusky lantern]

lol

dayum

[long wharf]

sniper shots are an effect, not a projectile

[runic hornet]

used to be taxe had long dodges but no attack->slide techs

[covert cosmos]

dueling sword should let you block better? but i personally dont rely on the block much on a weapon that mobile...

[fresh steeple]

now here's another Q to that: why do you view Taxe as being better than Antax?

[grizzled iris]

Shed is not good on the Duelling swords, Unyielding damage is bad, Maniac dmg allows you to kill a mutant in 6 Heavys instead of 7, you'll need 3 headshot heavys instead of 4.
Maniac dmg is alright.

[teal needle]

It's a new day time to see what Sire Melk has for me

Melk why are you turning around. Why are you dropping your pants Melk

Oh no he pooped

[wise pecan]

I think he just meant in terms of the dodge focused weapons

[fresh steeple]

I mostly only want my melee weapon out in horde scenarios anyway, and Antax has proved useful with cleave power

[runic hornet]

I don't, it's a sidegrade at best and I don't think psykers need a big dodge weapon as much as zealot flamer does

[fresh steeple]

ah, fair

[runic hornet]

as all the staves draw fast and can get their effect faster

[rapid cliff]

You won't go bald when you put it on

Your hair will be intact

[runic hornet]

thus, combat-focused weapons like antax or claw are generally more useful

[fresh steeple]

kk, so I think I'm just gonna keep to my Antax, and hold the duelling sword in my stash until they give it something more interesting

[grizzled iris]

Change Specialist dmg for 5% crit and once you can change blessings, get Focused channeling. Overall it is a good Surge, sad Warp Resistance tho.
This is mine.

[coarse ether]

it would have been great if the white version of this was bundled

[night marten]

back is too short imo

it's like a napkin was dropped on your head from that angle

[coarse ether]

🤔

[wise pecan]

Honestly, the antax still has big enough dodges for Flamer zealot, and does worlds more damage than any taxe

[grizzled iris]

Zealots are trying anything before accepting the Crit Chainsword as their true lord and master.

[kindred sphinx]

mfw void is the best staff and no one knows

[runic hornet]

all the staffs are good

[drowsy fog]

All 3 of them

[runic hornet]

yes that includes trauma

sh-shut up

[worn mica]

shotgunners are so fucking dumb

[kindred sphinx]

????????

[wise pecan]

Psykers running this hood like

[kindred sphinx]

does trauma have any way of not just using up all your warp and doing nothing

it's like the most warp intensive and does the least

[worn mica]

trauma has a weird cult following

[runic hornet]

no
using 100% perils fast is a buff
It gives you 50% toughness more often while meleeing

[runic hornet]

it's just me

[wise pecan]

Nah there’s a couple other people too

[kindred sphinx]

ok im starting the void cult but it's not a cult cause void is meta

[runic hornet]

In reality it really is embracing a "the antax/claw is my primary weapon, actually" mindset

[grizzled iris]

Trauma is good, it is just hard to use, and harder to master.

[fresh steeple]

pfft I'm still using dagger

[drowsy fog]

Sounds like an excuse a cult would make

[runic hornet]

you are a claw/antax user who spams explosions more sustainably, more often, more quickly than the veteran or the ogyrn rumbler, and you have backup BB for the odd sniper

[coarse ether]

but the other classes have a headgear bundle item. only psykers don't have it 😦

[runic hornet]

is it optimal? probably not

is it fun and damnation viable? certainly

[teal cargo]

Man why do people on Dam grab the grims

[grizzled iris]

Yea, and that is okay. As long as you play as a part of the team.

[teal cargo]

its so cringe 😢

[grizzled iris]

Why not?

[drowsy fog]

Grims not worth

[teal cargo]

losing all my hp here

[fresh steeple]

I do. Not like I don't ever break coherence, but I'm not a suicidal maniac

[teal cargo]

and bout to keel over yep yep

[grizzled iris]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689

[fresh steeple]

kinda hard for me to find any weapon better than dagger on my Zealot when I have a +3 Haymaker +3 Lacerate dagger over 350 points

[runic hornet]

no one needs dockets unless they're desperate/crazy, if they're playing damnation

[wise pecan]

I think void is fantastic on lower difficulties, but not being able to easily, instantly stun problematic elites/specials (through cover) becomes an exponentially bigger deal when you get to the higher ones. Purgatus has the same issue, but it at least also has some neat feat synergy and better widespread horde clear

[runic hornet]

if you accepted a grim melkquest

my sincere condolences

don't

[teal cargo]

reroll the grim quests

[drowsy fog]

Reroll grims yes

[fresh steeple]

nothing I've tried is even remotely as powerful and sustainable. I genuinely don't know how other Zealots can tolerate playing Damnation maps without the 75% reduction talent

[teal cargo]

idk who needs the dockets for grims

[grizzled iris]

Or more like, Damnation isn't hard so lets make it hard by cutting our health in half?

[runic hornet]

don't get hit
ez

[wise pecan]

Eh I don’t find grim quests that bad, I just don’t try to do them on damnation lol

[runic hornet]

the joke is that "75% damage reduction" only helps when you are hitting things

[fresh steeple]

simple. Easy to dodge gunners with checks notes a Heavy Eviscerator

[runic hornet]

which is very often not hte case when you are trying to chase down twenty riflemen all scattered to the winds

[grizzled iris]

I play Damnation with Chainsword and the 75% toughness perk.

[runic hornet]

and dodging 20 individual riflemen shooting on different timers is not great

[fresh steeple]

which is why I don't always maintain coherence

[wise pecan]

Bane of ogryns everywhere

[drowsy fog]

We like zealots here tho, they have the second best fashion so they're welcome to hang out

[fresh steeple]

if there are 20 different riflemen scattering in directions, that's my teammates' job to handle them, and I retreat and duck behind a wall

[grizzled iris]

You also proc it from critting with ranged weapons.

But yea, still need to "hit" things

[fresh steeple]

imagine not using flamer smh

I do sometimes use boltgun

[grizzled iris]

Why?

[fresh steeple]

but I feel like flamer is something nobody else can really provide in Damnation

[runic hornet]

true, but your critrate is low there and if you're actively dodging around and closing that precludes ADSing and taking aim

[spice oar]

ive switched to them untill they buff my warp boy

[fresh steeple]

because when using Dagger, fighting Crushers and Reapers is annoying if I don't get an early haymaker

[grizzled iris]

The bolter only has 1 use, and 1 use only. To get you the 75% health return Penance. Nothing else

[wise pecan]

Purgatus can almost fill in for Flamer. Almost.

[timber fable]

Question: What's a good build for the Surge staff?

[fresh steeple]

but I haven't used anything other than flamer for the past few weeks

[fresh steeple]

maybe halfway. Not enough sustain for Damnation-level hordes

works fine on Heresy or Malice hordes

[long wharf]

best build right now is to use anything else until FatDevs fix the distortion effect

[runic hornet]

make sure you have a good horde clear melee, aka "not force sword" unless you enjoy giving yourself carpal tunnel with swap canceling

[grizzled iris]

Sunshine, mind coming Strike Team 8? I think you are ready

[wise pecan]

Yeah I’ve noticed that

[fresh steeple]

ready for what?

[grizzled iris]

Your introduction

[runic hornet]

this sounds like a cult

[timber fable]

yeah but what feats do people go?

[wise pecan]

I mean it is psyker channel

[jovial quail]

Why couldnt it be the Eviscerator

[naive dawn]

Huge

[fair axle]

Also bugged... 🙂

[white badger]

Voidstaffers.. you folks generally using spammed l-clicks, or partial/ fully charged r-clicks?

[fair axle]

instant charged rmb

more damage than lmb + explosions

[simple junco]

For trauma, is it more efficient to spam right clicks or just take the time to charge it up?

[fair axle]

Unless you really need a fast lmb to stagger something of course

[wise pecan]

@runic hornet

[white badger]

OK. I am trying to see what the fuss is over Void. Because it seems to do less damage in less area than Purgatas, though with much less delay to fire

[river sand]

uncharged only for quick stuns

[simple junco]

Void is strong in long corridors with prep time, weaker at close range. Purg is a wave clearing machine up to T4 but lacks range. It's pretty much up to your playstyle.

[runic hornet]

"efficient" is a weird word

[teal cargo]

Purg can still clear in t5

do a lotta dmg and all

[runic hornet]

if you need damage, you charge it up, and it has the unfortunate effect of also increasing radius and masively increasing perils cost

[river sand]

purg is great dmg for horde, but range is too short

[runic hornet]

if you're trying to say juggle one rager

you can use a minimum charge as long as you hit the enemy directly with the circle and don't miss

[wise pecan]

It’s essentially the same purpose as purgatus, but it trades left/right cleave potential for infinite range, and damage over time for higher upfront damage and stagger

[runic hornet]

this takes some practice but with mincharge traumas you can juggle even crushers

[white badger]

That makes a lot of sense, thanks

[runic hornet]

with a bare minimum of perils cost

[simple junco]

This is literally the reason why I'm getting into Trauma lol

Purg is great, until it isn't

[runic hornet]

it's a fun way to deal with elites

get only as much charge as you need to be confident that you won't miss/as you aim

[white badger]

If I am trying to juggle one rager, I'll just use my axe

[runic hornet]

and then stun the enemy

[river sand]

i see why some ppl like purg, great dmg up close. but you get totally fucked by anything with a gun

[runic hornet]

swap to antax, swing once (I unironically use limbsplitter), swap back to staff and knockdown again

[simple junco]

Start BB, enter cover, repeat. That's the best we got.

[river sand]

and you see nothing while shooting

[white badger]

Yeah, Purgatas definitely means you're not handling gunners

[wise pecan]

This is why you run deflector force sword with it

[ebon jolt]

Void can OHKO LMB ranged mobs on damnation if you have an 80% damage roll and +25% damage perks agains unarmored/flak.

[simple junco]

Point your flame near the ground when in close spaces to increase visibility

[river sand]

but deflector wont kill anything

[runic hornet]

yeah, void still ohks with perks and now we can reroll

for said perks

[wise pecan]

Yes, but you probably have teammates

[runic hornet]

put it this way

if you are struggling against rifles with purgatus

how do you think zealots feel, they don't even have BB lol

[river sand]

and if you got some not totally brain afk ppl in your team, nothing reaches your purg range

[simple junco]

Hordes

[river sand]

yeah but do you really wanna rely so hard on your team in pugs ?

[simple junco]

Welcome to the game

[river sand]

and hordes are the least dangerous thing in tide games

[runic hornet]

ech, I never like that stsatement

hordes are just one part of the wipe pyramid

[wise pecan]

Eh it generally works out. If we’re gonna fail, it’s not because my team couldn’t deal with ranged, it’s because they wandered off to the four corners of the map

[runic hornet]

nothing is hard... by itself

[simple junco]

It's everything that spawns with hordes lol

[white badger]

This just isn't true. The game throws situations at you. And it's useless to plan for when everything goes right and your whole team is great -- you're going to win that anyway. I plan my kit assuming the team isn't great, and stuff will go sour

[runic hornet]

boss is easy
disablers are easy
elites are easy
horde is easy
ranged is easy

everything is "easy" until it all lands on top of you at the same time

[white badger]

Yeah. Everything is easy if you're awesome and your team is awesome and the game director cooperates.

[runic hornet]

because just 1 of these that isn't handled will kill everyone

[river sand]

dont get me wrong, purg has its place, but it buys its great up close dmg with its incredibly short range. i really dont like it but nice to have flamer/purg on team

[white badger]

It's not that short

[wise pecan]

Yeah this is a fair take

[runic hornet]

saying "this handles that" isn't "oh, but that is easy", it's "everyone on your team needs to be dealing with that, and this, and those other things, and something else as well, as a group"

if you have a weapon that can completely delete hordes then it means ranged won't kill you because now the vet can just post up with camo on a box and shoot everything without getting stabbed in the ass

the veteran will thank you
t. veteran

[ebon jolt]

I have something to admit everyone… I REALLY like clearing hordes. 😞

[white badger]

It is satisfying

[wise pecan]

The range isn’t that short, but that depends on your cloud radius stat (Flamer has better range than purgatus). Still, if a guy with a gun is too far away to run up and stab him, he’s also probably too far away to purgatus him

[simple junco]

It's incredibly satisfying, especially when nobody else has efficient wave clear

[white badger]

Also, Purgatus is much easier to use than the Zealot's flamer. Those things are so slow and clunky. They're similar to a Bolter in that way

[wise pecan]

This is an excellent way of wording it

[ebon jolt]

Really? I think the flamer is easier to use. No need to quell or charge. With the fear of running out of ammo.

[runic hornet]

the problem is flamer draw time

[simple junco]

The only counter to this, is that the Purg staff can be instantly "reloaded" while applying a debuff and a knockdown to a horde

[runic hornet]

you can't be fleixlbe with flamer, at all, drawing it and bracing it is like getting married

[wise pecan]

I find that they’re roughly equal. Purg is faster to draw, but you have to charge it up. Purg has infinite ammo, but significantly less damage, range, and cc. Purg doesn’t need to reload, but does need to quell, and can’t continuously fire

[runic hornet]

zealots will pull out the flamer and a poxwalker will stab them in the ass and they don't turn around because they're stupid (okay some of them are stupid) but because it took so long to pull out and brace the flamer that they need it NOW

[proper ember]

surprised more players arent running the laspistol, its so powerful

[runic hornet]

purg can go fast draw->hot hands LMB several times to make space->charge->flame

[wise pecan]

Flamer can do the exact same thing

[runic hornet]

flamer takes forever to draw that the opportunity that made the player draw the flamer needs to be handled NOW

[white badger]

I just find that, on zealot, I need help clearing space around me to even get the flamer going. On Purgatas, a quick backwards slide is all the space I need to get it charged up and go

[runic hornet]

so they go straight to brace (which takes as long as a decent charge)->flame

[simple junco]

Better yet, rmb for a quick burst, backstep, and full charge. Larger stun area for less peril.

[runic hornet]

the point is that in the time flamer has to be stuck drawing+bracing

[white badger]

Yep, exactly

[runic hornet]

purgatus can draw, hot hands for space, charge, and then flame some

flamer drawtime is insanely long

and god help flamer if you need to reload

[wise pecan]

But you don’t have to brace immediately

[white badger]

Flamer is definitely better with a little time and space. Purgatas is better for "oh shit" surprises

[wise pecan]

You can draw and puff

[runic hornet]

because you flamed one side of a horde and then the flank-ragers finally used the door and showed up behind you

[rapid cliff]

What's the max toughness a toughness curio can give you

[ebon jolt]

When I use the flamer is usually LMB most of the time. I use it mostly to stagger and handle specials and elites with fan the flames and melee mobs.

[white badger]

I think 16%?

[rapid cliff]

Yeah I've only seen 16

[ebon jolt]

Not sure that’s the right way to play 🤷‍♂️

[runic hornet]

the point is if the zealot is pulling out the flamer to use it, the situation that made them react by pulling out the flamer has probably already gotten worse and need to be braced->flamed right away

purgatus is flexible by comparison

fast draw speed matters

[wise pecan]

I’m not saying that it doesn’t have a commitment, it’s definitely a little more stationary than purgatus, but you want to already have some space and your back to a wall to use either of them anyways

[ebon jolt]

I think I’ve seen 17% on toughness.

[runic hornet]

you have the luxury of drawing it out, puffing some, realizing the situation isn't so bad, doing a small charge anyway because might as well

if the zealot sees a situation that is "maybe I should flame this" and then it turns out not to be so problemati that's a lot of time the zealot has been pulling out hte flamer and not attacking "just in case"

bolter has the same issue

if you keep pulling out your bolter "just in case" there's a gunner or rifleman that might be problematic if someone faster on your team doesn't get it

you spend so much time being literally useless just stuck in draw animation

[crude cape]

like....is it just me or is unstable power absolute trash? 4% power? like... so when im low peril i get LESS THAN 4%? thats absurd...literally any other perk does more lol

its gotta be worded weirdly or something and stack higher right? lol

[warped kernel]

can we also get that skin without the camo please

[ebon jolt]

I assume with works similar to warp nexus. Would be my guess.

[crude cape]

whats warp nexus lol

[bleak tulip]

iirc it scales up to 20%

its just written badly

[crude cape]

the skin also hides the force effects when you activate the sword...frustrating

[warped kernel]

hah! that's terrible

[crude cape]

im auto attacking things in the meat grinder at high and 0 peril and not seeing really any difference lmao

[bleak tulip]

I guess its also broken then

wouldnt be the first

[wise pecan]

I noticed something similar with the basic power sword. The default skin has no effects on it, while the red one has this whole glow and everything

[abstract frigate]

Thank you, Emperor.

[white badger]

For your psyker?

[abstract frigate]

Yeah

[wise pecan]

I can’t read a single letter of those screenshots

[white badger]

So.. why? I don't understand what a lasgun psyker brings to the table?

[robust meteor]

open original

sorry i didnt resize

[white badger]

If I am going to run a lasgun build, it's on a veteran?

[wise pecan]

Oh nvm it finally loaded

Yeah those dodge distances look basically identical

[warped kernel]

also been meaning to discuss this, but I've been playing with the force sword up to Heresy and haven't really had any problems with hordes really. Like it's not the main function but i've found the right combos and dodging work fine. The combo being light attack, heavy, light, then back to light to start it over. Two slashes a poke and back to slashing.

[robust meteor]

the dodge distance on the right side tho

[warped kernel]

have i just not played with an actual horde clear weapon?

[robust meteor]

is the base

[devout belfry]

The push is insane even on damnation.

[warped kernel]

yeah pushing as well of course

can also do light attack, heavy attack, block cancel

[robust meteor]

i'm confused because omeone was telling me the dodge distance on the mk5 is not 2x of the 2 and 4 but it is

[warped kernel]

but i don't really do that

[devout belfry]

People hating on it are only hating because axe fills gaps.

[cold elm]

Am I doing enough critical damage yet?

[wise pecan]

You are never going to get a meaningful answer to this question

[white badger]

I don't think we have a great horde-clear weapon. We have the MK V Axe, which is 100% safe in a pushblock loop. But we just don't get anything like the Powersword, or even a Cleaver

[warped kernel]

fair, i do feel like the staves make up for it somewhat

but i do want that two handed force sword

[white badger]

Heh, I haven't so far, and I ask it a bunch 😉

[wise pecan]

Devil’s claw sword isn’t bad at hordes. Chainsword is decent, too

[warped kernel]

also, almost every video i see of a pyker has them doing the three hit light attack combo to deal with hordes and i hate it every time

[coarse ether]

curious question, why does force sword's special action have a peril penalty? other power weapons don't

[full egret]

Drip Check. This entire outfit vs this single headpiece

[warped kernel]

headpiece by a mile

[white badger]

If you haven't tried a good MK V Axe, it's worth it. It solves a couple of problems well. It's 100% safety in hordes, and it headshots anything armored really well

[wise pecan]

I do light > heavy > shove > repeat for my force sword

[warped kernel]

yeah that works for sure

[full egret]

hard agree. I was saving my money to get an entire outfit, but the headpiece is just perfect.

[warped kernel]

i have more fun with the light, heavy, light and repeat, but the push added in really helps

[wise pecan]

The magikarp cosplay headpiece is unparalleled

[warped kernel]

now if only we could see what it looks like on our actual character

[long wharf]

it doesn't match any outfit

[warped kernel]

that's the worry

[full egret]

I will in a few hours once I've responsibly thought about my purchase

[long wharf]

I got it just the same

[warped kernel]

haha

[full egret]

eh?

It doesnt match the red penance gear?

[wise pecan]

I think the best one I’ve seen it on is the suicide bomber penance outfit, since that has a decent amount of gold

[long wharf]

with the green sash and silver accents? I don't think so

[warped kernel]

i actually would indeed love to see an in game photo if you do get it

[wise pecan]

Yeah that one

It completely clashes with the malleus monstronum outfit though

[warped kernel]

i could see that

[long wharf]

which is very sad

[warped kernel]

very silver that one

[full egret]

ah right, that bit. Haven't bothered with the "don't play the game" penances yet

[keen crescent]

It matches very well imo

[full egret]

very nice

[warped kernel]

fuck

i like it

[long wharf]

but I want to wear my black outfit

gimme a black version of that veil

[warped kernel]

is that the camo sword skin? it doesn't look so bad in game

[severe folio]

guys

we have a weekly emperor gift cap now ?

[long wharf]

always did

[wise pecan]

That’s the imperial edition sword

[keen crescent]

Mortis skin from the 60 dollar vers

[warped kernel]

interesting

[full egret]

thats the service raiment right?

[severe folio]

always did ?

[full egret]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[wise pecan]

Yeah that’s the level 20 top

[hard stratus]

anyone knows how to turn off the lightning effect from surge staff? my eyes karking bleed after only 1 mission

[wise pecan]

The malice penance top has a green sash, curious to see how it looks

[severe folio]

interesting

never knew thats always been there

[full egret]

this is what my heretic looks like at the moment

[warped kernel]

i think it's been determined to be a bug

[wise pecan]

I think the gold Aquila on the chest will match well with the gold detailing on the hat

[warped kernel]

a visual effects bug at the very least

[keen crescent]

Havn't managed to blow myself up enough to get the green sash 😦

[wise pecan]

No that was intentional, the bug was the peril quell locking issue

[white badger]

That surge staff effect makes me think they're done nerfing psykers. Now they're trying to kill the gamers who play them

[vivid merlin]

which of these perks should I refine off my voidstrike? does +flak% help hit partial charge breakpoints on shooters?

[ebon jolt]

I saw on the forums that someone posted that toughness regen on curios isn’t working. Does anyone know if this is true?

[warped kernel]

those visual effects are intentional?

that's a lol if so

[wise pecan]

Lmao

[full egret]

the monster killer penance appears to have a red sash

I'll try getting it and then see about matching it with the cosmetic

[warped kernel]

also violetta, is that the imperial edition chest?

[robust meteor]

psyker is literally about not seeing when you're playing. just look at the fucking new hood

[ebon jolt]

Keep flak and roll crit damage.

[full egret]

yes

[wise pecan]

Does void even crit?

[ebon jolt]

Yes.

[full egret]

and the styges hood

[hard stratus]

yeah they oofed up toughness too i think lol i don't remember my psykers toughness being broken so often before patch

[ebon jolt]

You just can’t tell because everything is already dead.

[keen crescent]

You should replace critical hit damage. That's a very tiny damage boost

[robust meteor]

i think they knew exactly what they were doing when they released the VFX and the new hood

[wise pecan]

Lmao

[warped kernel]

ah that's why the surge staff stuns, so you can look away when it goes off

[vivid merlin]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

[ashen ore]

Did I make this axe trash by getting limbsplitter?

[vivid merlin]

even with the blessing crits aren't worth leaning on

[long wharf]

you want Limbsplitter on it

[wise pecan]

Exact opposite, limbsplitter is meta

[full egret]

really?

[long wharf]

because block+attack is the start of a chain

[ashen ore]

So the -20% doesnt ruin it? Do I just delay in between attacks

[robust meteor]

they are bitter towards developing psyker and now they are subtly taking revenge out on the community as a FU to their bosses. okay taking off my tinfoil hat now

[long wharf]

blocking breaks chain

[wise pecan]

Block resets attack chain. Block attack always benefits from limbsplitter

[ashen ore]

oh shit did not know that

[long wharf]

so if you only block+attack, you're always only ever starting a chain of attacks

so constant damage bonus from Limbsplitter

[wise pecan]

And with peril blocking, block attack spam is great vs hordes

[warped kernel]

also what's the best way to get higher base rating weapons in the shop? Buy a decently rated one and upgrade it?

[keen crescent]

have 65% total block efficiency and deflector on my sword so at this point I can't find myself able to give it up.

[full egret]

yep. Just look at all the top options of each rarity

[warped kernel]

ah, ive not been seeing orange in the shop so that means i need to upgrade one to that level myself?

just got to 30

[wise pecan]

Just pay attention to the base rating. 380 is the cap. There doesn’t seem to be any causal relationship between the gear you own and the gear in shops

[warped kernel]

yeah i have been and haven't seen anything above 340 i feel

maybe even 330

but i could be wrong

[keen crescent]

Anything 350 or above is extremely rare from my experience

[warped kernel]

good to know

[wise pecan]

Orange gear is only available from emperor’s gifts and the Melkman. Otherwise, just gotta upgrade from blues/greens/whites

[warped kernel]

that is good to know

and do we think going for random melk's weapons is a good idea? or a waste of coins? last i heard people felt it was a waste

[hard stratus]

went to check out forums they posted a PSA on the Surge staff they are apparantely "working on it"

[warped kernel]

cool

[keen crescent]

after spending 4k on random weapons... prolly a waste

[ebon jolt]

Now you just need to add in inner tranquility and 6 warp charges 😂

[keen crescent]

got nothing valuable out of it

[wise pecan]

Eh, depends on your gambling preferences. I’d keep at least 3k on hand for any Good Shit you see

[keen crescent]

But I also think it may be the only way to get red quality items if they are even in this game

[warped kernel]

good idea

[wise pecan]

Don’t write off items as bad just because they’re white/green. Any weapon with good baseline stats can be great, provided you’ve got a bit of luck with the perks

[warped kernel]

yeah i always check the greys

[hardy lily]

Keep enough to buy entire store 3 times, then random roll

[past brook]

oh, this is cool, the special action for the laspistol is normally a shove
on psyker, instead it gets turned into a warp shove like the force sword's push at cost of peril
are there any other weapons that have a unique interaction with psyker like that?

[wise pecan]

Not that I’m aware of, though I noticed that as well

[keen crescent]

would be nice if the staff had that instead of the lousy excuse for a melee attack

[warped kernel]

emperor's gifts should really be every level and you can either spend materials to make it better or it gets better based on the side missions and bosses you killed, a la V2

[true torrent]

Wish staves had a warp shove instead of whatever tf their alt attack is

[past brook]

ah well, it's a nice little mechanic
hope to see it on other stuff

[hard stratus]

something like the las pistol special

[wise pecan]

What, you don’t enjoy winding up and thrusting your golden rod at your enemies?

[spice remnant]

any specific mission that has an easy place to get Cliffhanger

[true torrent]

Has anyone, even once, used it in a situation unironically?

[wise pecan]

Espionage mission. The very end, where you hold a central spire and enemies can only approach via a thin catwalk

[warped kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cU_jq3IAis&ab_channel=Brainlet

[hardy lily]

The cipher indents with the 4 bridges

[warped kernel]

i did mine there first try

right at the start too

[past brook]

end of the hab dreyko investigation mission, you have to run a significant distance to the extract
along the way, there's a small dropdown, but just before that, there's a door on the left that craps out poxwalkers at the very edge of the platform, you can use just about anything to push the small horde over the edge

[split oxide]

psykers are squishy: I carry a combat axe instead of a forcesword, cos I can't trust a team to cover me.

[hard stratus]

btw which trinkets do you use HP or Toughness? i'm currently rocking 1 of each type Hp Toughness and +1 wound

[wise pecan]

I think it’s a toss-up which of the two is better. Combat axe drains peril faster and is more lethal, force sword can block bullets, has infinite dodges, and trivializes things like ragers

[supple skiff]

having run both, I prefer the force sword for survivability

peril regen on axe is nice, but I don't think thats enough of a trade off to replace the ability to block ranged

[past brook]

so far I prefer one force weapon and one regular weapon rather than rocking both force sword + a staff at the same time, so I can passively let it drain while I do other things

[supple skiff]

found fs alt to be better for dealing with armor than the axe.

[simple junco]

If you're running purg, FS is a definite must

[wise pecan]

The issue is, force sword just doesn’t kill things oh higher difficulties unless you’re using your special

[simple junco]

You can probably get away with an axe with Void though

[wise pecan]

Yeah, purg really benefits from having something to answer ranged with

And neatly counters FS’s weakness vs hordes

[supple skiff]

I run void, granted I don't fuck with damnation, but play plenty of heresy

my experience has been void covers the horde clear you miss with axe, at least ad that difficulty

hopefully the 2h force sword gives us a bit more killing power and can still roll deflector

[ebon jolt]

Due to block push attack?

[wise pecan]

Which part are you asking about, here?

[ebon jolt]

Ragers.

[wise pecan]

Ah nah. Special attack oneshots em

[ebon jolt]

Those are the ones with armor right? What are the ones without armor called?

[hard stratus]

also ragers

but dreg instead of scab

dregs are yellow boys

scabs are regular guardsmen

[wise pecan]

Scab ragers have armor, dreg ragers are nakey

Both get fucked

[cyan notch]

not if theyre in a horde

[spice oar]

hope they give us content drops either weekly or biweekly

starving for content

[robust meteor]

i'd like to see some peril based 360 attack

[hard stratus]

perils of warp explosion lul

[spice oar]

yes

[robust meteor]

knowing them, they would make your camera spin around a few times just to stay with the patternm

[hard stratus]

meanwhile poor surge staff users needing sunglasses or skiing goggles (i'm not joking) to play

[robust meteor]

it would be fire if the 360 attack was quick enough to stagger attacks coming from behind without having to turn around or block

[split oxide]

Eaxctly: ifyou don'#t have Deflector, it's just a force-toothpick

[ebon jolt]

I have a FS with 80% damage & finesse and 10% damage to specials perk and I still can’t kill the dreg rager with one special in damnation in the meat grinder.

[wise pecan]

Ah I haven’t tested in damnation yet. Not even on headshot?

[hard stratus]

heavy special attack should do the trick also headshot with the sword

[split oxide]

Combat Axe, fixes 90% of your engagements, and the final 10% you blow all your psychic powers on.

[spice oar]

MY GAME CRASHED AT THE END

[cyan notch]

i dont think ragers are specials

[spice oar]

RAAAAAAH

[hard stratus]

🫡

[spice oar]

an hour of my life i wont get back

[wise pecan]

RIP

[spice oar]

side note

these mission objectives are so boring damm siblings

[robust meteor]

if they dont wait for you to rejoin they are dicks

[spice oar]

it was in the hanger i doubt i can

[keen crescent]

Whoever decided that blowing yourself up over and over again for a penance is a bad person

[spice oar]

aircraft i mean

[tight saddle]

Have there been any small patches to fix things since the main patch dropped yesterday?

[wise pecan]

No

[drowsy fog]

Whyyyyyy
Listening to pandora and it fuckin gives me leaves from the vine

I'm gonna cry at work why pandora

[wise pecan]

Falling so slow

Like fragile, tiny shells

Drifting in the foam

[drowsy fog]

😭

[hard stratus]

💀

[worn mica]

since when did the base score of a weapon drop when you consecrate it

[tight saddle]

Visual bug

It should stay the same after

[hard stratus]

i just realized the crazy dreamer psyker is literally king Bumi

just a rock eating crackhead

[orchid nacelle]

TRAPPER'S DEEaaaaAaAD

[wise pecan]

Counterpoint: loner psyker arguably breaks the 4th wall

[orchid nacelle]

all the psyker voices are great

[hard stratus]

no need to argue he straight yells at subtitles

[wise pecan]

I think the savant’s a bit boring, tbh

[tight saddle]

What's the line for those of us who don't have that voice?

[hard stratus]

I said four shortened lifespans not foreshortened lifespans WHY ARE YOU NOT PAYING ATTENTION

[orchid nacelle]

savant is iconic

[drowsy fog]

Just wish I had an Irish voice option for fem psyker

[orchid nacelle]

i love his ult lines

[drowsy fog]

Instead I got this French bitch who won't shut up about being an enforcer

[hard stratus]

lmao

[worn mica]

Loner is objectively the best voice

[tight saddle]

Savant is fun because he seems like a normal person at times well aware of how fucked up the 40K universe is.

[orchid nacelle]

she kinda sounds like mistral from mgr

[wise pecan]

I’m sensing rage, fear, and foreshortened lifespans… (no subtitles past this point)

No, not foreshortened lifespans, four shortened lifespans. What are you looking at? LOOK AT ME, NOT THEM!

[spice oar]

yeah his lines fit the most imo, with them struggling and trying to fight back

[drowsy fog]

Uses the word "gratifying" every other line too

[orchid nacelle]

"breaching the empyrean" and "reaching into the warp" are my favourites

[hard stratus]

i nearly pissed myself laughing the first time i heard that voiceline

[drowsy fog]

Expand your vocabulary girl there's the things called synonyms

[spice oar]

yeah i prefer INCOMPARABLE MIND

[wise pecan]

Meanwhile seer just maniacally laughing

[orchid nacelle]

[Mad/Pained laughter]

[hard stratus]

mY DrEaM iS NoT fOr YoU!!!!

[wise pecan]

Very fitting when you have ascendant blaze

[orchid nacelle]

i do like how Seer's lines sound like how talking sounds in actual dreams