psyker-class

[vestal finch]

I forgot most of his lones honestly

[burnt python]

i play my ogryn and zealot pretty much the same way lol

[teal cargo]

Whaaa Loner Psyker is good

[night marten]

@split oxide yea looks like FS special does more damage to carapace at least than chainsword (not to mention it's other benefits)

[white badger]

The Zealot knife/ toughness ultra-aggressive berserker build looks like a ton of fun to play

[echo parrot]

Might try ogryn at some point then as well. Not a fan of that class fantasy either however.

[trim garnet]

male loner sucks but female loner is awesome

[vestal finch]

If you were on Cadia, you'd be dead!

[frigid zenith]

f

[teal cargo]

Both Loners are nice

[vestal finch]

Other way around, friend

[open estuary]

They both suck, whiny ass passive aggressive twats

[sinful stream]

Loner psyker is cool I like it

[teal cargo]

I hate Seer Psyker

[trim garnet]

very disgruntled european psyker is awesome

[burnt python]

that's fair. the height is a turnoff for some ppl too, weird camera angles at times

[white badger]

Heh, I love Seer Psyker.

[simple junco]

Make an ogryn as large as you can

[echo parrot]

As a proud loner psyker, worship me or die cretin

[teal cargo]

Loner is keeping it real

[vestal finch]

Hot take: Female psyker voices? Not that great.

[white badger]

Yeah, Loner is great, too

[vestal finch]

I had a seer psyker

[teal cargo]

Nah I like Loner and Savant female

[open estuary]

The loner makes me agree with the fanatics views

[vestal finch]

I deleted him and made a loner

[sinful stream]

I'm savant psyker woman I love her. I like how she lived on atoma and has lines about the city as a local

[vestal finch]

Feel kinda bad

[night marten]

a rager's head after FS special

[open estuary]

Just want to put a bolt shell in their back

[echo parrot]

You made beloved sad

[night marten]

can literally watch their skin melt away right after lol

[vital bough]

[vestal finch]

Savant is the good one

[white badger]

All of the voices are well done, good at being what they are. But, yeah, tastes vary. And some of them (Male Seer) are gonna be pretty polarising

[simple junco]

Savant female is a genuinely good voice tbh

[vestal finch]

I'm sorry, beloved :(

[teal cargo]

Beloved this beloved that

[vital bough]

Yeah if you hit scab maulers in the chest with it, you can see through to their rib cage.

[echo parrot]

Belovedese nuts

[sinful stream]

Whose the like Jamaican sounding psyker male voice? That's the other best one imo

[vestal finch]

Savant

[open estuary]

savant

[teal cargo]

Thas male Savant

[sinful stream]

Ah no wonder I like him too

[teal cargo]

I like that one a lot!

[vestal finch]

Savant is overused, we NEED more seers

[open estuary]

fuck no

[teal cargo]

Loner gang

[vestal finch]

I wish I could change my voice

[night marten]

bulwark face gone

[vital bough]

Okay, I have a Savant with enforcer lines. I like it so far

[white badger]

Seer Psyker is basically the trope of a crazy person who has back-and-forth conversations with god. Like the Irish guy in Braveheart. I find it very funny

[vestal finch]

I'd be a seer again

[burnt python]

mans got some nice teeth tbh

[vital bough]

"THE ENFORCERS TRAINED ME WELL"

Which one is that?

[sinful stream]

We don't need more seers, that being said I do enjoy their lines a lot

[teal cargo]

Worship me or die!

[simple junco]

Savant female I think

[sinful stream]

Savant man for sure I read it in his voice

[vital bough]

Nah, I have male voice

[open estuary]

they both have it

[simple junco]

Oh they have the same lines? Nice

[teal cargo]

both genders have same lines

[vestal finch]

Female loner is worse than male by virtue of not sensing rage, fear and four shortened lifespans

[zinc phoenix]

Which one is the French lady?

[open estuary]

savant

[echo parrot]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

Hon hon hon

[sinful stream]

The real important voice line to base your personality pick on is "shudders, deep exhale" when you recover from peril 😳👀👀

[simple junco]

Look at ME not THEM

[echo parrot]

100% yes

[icy marten]

hmh?

[tawny lagoon]

anyone wanna group up for some private games and try and knock out the harder penances

[night marten]

oof

[zinc phoenix]

The Savant French lady always going on about how great moebian steel is and giving travel guide tips 🤣

[sinful stream]

I would in like 3 hours

[zinc phoenix]

“Le enforcer good”

[vital bough]

I like Savant with Enforcer backstory.

I praise the empruh, talk to my beloved, and reject the heretic.

And he thoroughly enjoys doing his job.

[burnt python]

juicy, now upgrade and show us results!

[vestal finch]

Savant is not the schizo, tho?

[night marten]

talking about showing mercy

[vestal finch]

No beloved for the savant

[open estuary]

all the psyker voices boil down to one thing

[simple junco]

It would be nice for them to add more voicelines when acknowledging good work tho

[vital bough]

Pretty sure savant is Jamaican accent iirc.

That's what I've been told

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah she only talks to herself nobody else

[icy marten]

no mats yet, unfortunately

[zinc phoenix]

That’s male savant

[simple junco]

"THE ENFORCERS TRAINED ME WELL" "THIS IS HOW A PROFESSIONAL DOES IT" X 4

[open estuary]

muh lex, muh beloved or muh le imperium bad right fellow redditors

[cerulean raft]

Quick question- if 2 psyker use fire staff - does the burn damage stack ?

[tawny lagoon]

if you were replying to me im down just DM me when you're available

[west current]

Tempting, seems impossible to find one with deflector

[vestal finch]

So true sister!

[zinc phoenix]

She’s relentless when it comes to bragging lmao

[vital bough]

I'd keep it anyways just to save the blessings

[hasty ether]

gotten 6+ to trans and still no deflector. I think its a myth

[vestal finch]

it is

[west current]

I think you're right

[simple junco]

I've only received 1 deflector and it was in the shop at level 18

It's been patched out of the game, I'm sure

[zinc phoenix]

Savant also loves talking about that Saint Methuselah or whatever and how great her feasts are and how they have awesome devotional literature. I swear she really is a travel guide

[vestal finch]

Anyway, I got a 380 base green force sword

[tawny lagoon]

worth the pick up?

[vestal finch]

Messelina.

[zinc phoenix]

Lina should clean up tbh

[simple junco]

It's pretty decent, keep it for when you can change blessings methinks

[vital bough]

Yeah I got these same lines on the male voice lines, but sometimes talking to other characters he'll still mention "My beloved talks about the -something-, what is it..?" so I believe they all still hear their "Beloved" through the warp.

[sinful stream]

She talks about the damn local theater scene and the food on atoma I love it

[zinc phoenix]

“I know we are le killing heretics but I am here for le Michelin Starred Restaurants hon hon hon le escargot is excellent ho hon hon”

[white badger]

"Beloved" is the Emperor. 100%. It's explicit in some of the lines/.

[zinc phoenix]

“Le superb steel is made here”

Also savant gets huffy when people talk shit about Atoma being a dump

[vital bough]

Yeah I know the implications, but just saying that it's definitively the Big E will get me flak a lot.
But I guess I get flak for not explicitly saying it, too lol

[weak galleon]

What about it?

[zinc phoenix]

Or not knowing why the Atoman tanks are great

[sinful stream]

It's like when the judge talks about hoe the poor of atoma have to live in the swell or whatever and how that sucks. Class consciousness 🫡🫡

[white badger]

Why is that fun? You just pointing out that a 6-charge ascendent blaze is pretty good? 🙂

[zinc phoenix]

Oh no savant thinks the poor are gross she just wants people to know Atoma has great stuff and isn’t all sewers and pox walkers and corpse starch

[vestal finch]

The Fanatic is proud of the workers' "work ethic" for living in the factory

[slender compass]

If I hear my Psyker mention something about Enforcers one more time I might hop into the game myself just to smack him on the head.

[white badger]

Yeah, as good as they are, the voice lines are gonna get old.

[shut thorn]

Lol still no fix

[tawny maple]

He just clearly likes his home and wants the best for it 🤷‍♀️
That's why he also says truth about what he sees and knows without sugarcoating it

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I made the mistake of picking enforcer too holy F any time we go in a building it’s LE ENFORCER this and LE ENFORCER that. “LE GOOD ENFORCERS must do le good yadda yadda”

[shut thorn]

You know what

I'm going to intentionally blind people with surge until they fix it

[west current]

This thing wrecks

[slender compass]

100%. It's so overbearing and inane.

[west current]

I wish it had slightly better stats but... wow cuts down elites like butter

[night marten]

never noticed, burnt reaper vs not

[zinc phoenix]

All the enemies have a charred skin

[burnt python]

coal miner enemy variants

[vital bough]

Idk I thought it was funny to hear him say "THE ENFORCERS TRAINED ME WELL" every time I blew myself up trying to get the kamikazi penance lol

[zinc phoenix]

It makes the yellow ones really hard to spot as when they’re charred they lose all yellow and become big black blobs

[olive ember]

Out of curiousity anyone know exactly how much health a sniper shot takes?

[zinc phoenix]

😂 nice

[south zephyr]

For the purge staff enjoyers, what feats do y'all run?

[olive ember]

just wanted to make sure so I know if I'm about to eat dirt

[sinful stream]

All of it

[zinc phoenix]

The same traits as everyone else except for the last trait is the soul fire one

[shut thorn]

It's been half for me always regardless of curios

[slender compass]

Def the 10% chance to trigger a head pop per attack.

[west current]

lol yes on heresy with 150 shield drops you to half health or less

[night marten]

121122, or 122112. quietitude and essence harvest can be exchanged for taste

[supple skiff]

yeah wonder if its just a flat 50%

[south zephyr]

about what I figured, level 5 feat up to preference?

[burnt python]

friends don't let friends use 10% bb

[zinc phoenix]

The quell one is just way better than the alternatives

[olive ember]

sorry I meant to say

how much does a sniper shot do on damnation

[night marten]

not with purge at least

[shut thorn]

It's been 50% for me in every difficulty

[olive ember]

cuz I watched a vet get downed instantly from 2/3 hp on damnation cuz funny sniper laser bug

[slender compass]

Combine that with ascendant blaze and you are set to slaughter hordes. Easily got lvl 3 frenzied killer that way.

[west current]

I run this and the group 4% chance to give warp to keep 4 warps pretty much whole game

[south zephyr]

So something like this then for Purge?

[night marten]

how does one kill (at best) every 15 seconds help you get frenzied killer?

[olive ember]

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Top to Bottom: Purge, Voidstrike, Surge

[supple skiff]

I'm a fan of warp battery and inner tranquility myself

[mild tartan]

The 2nd is exactly what Irun makes sense

[zinc phoenix]

Basically you want the following on every psyker no matter what else they’re doing:

• quell for toughness
• warp charges for kills in coherency
• peril for blocks
• peril resistance per warp charge

[wanton cove]

Does emperor gift quality change depending on difficulty?

Like vermintide?

[night marten]

I've sorta changed my mind, unless you're going for KO with purge+AB you should probably be running aura instead of communion. more team utility

[shut thorn]

no

[burnt python]

quietitude is p much always the best choice and psykinetics aura is criminally underrated

[shut thorn]

its completely random

[burnt python]

quietitude lets you trade hits w/ ranged dickheads which is where you need toughness most

[wanton cove]

@shut thorn gotcha! Might just farm my weps on malice then 🤣

[zinc phoenix]

Which one is that again?

[burnt python]

quelling one

[vital bough]

Yeah and it may be worthwhile to spec into Lacerations, if it does in fact up your burn damage. I'm about to test that though.

[mild tartan]

Psykinetics aura is good but it makes your ability kinda meh without constant charge maintenance

[south zephyr]

@zinc phoenix more or less this then?

[night marten]

you can do with essence harvest by slowly popping them, can be useful with purge and synergizes with heavy charge stacking build

[shut thorn]

do sedition runs, theyll be 8-12 min and people use them for plasteel anyw

[mild tartan]

which negates the boost it gives

[burnt python]

my problem w/ essence harvest is it doesn't stack

so half your warp charge regen goes to waste

[zinc phoenix]

P much tbh

[sinful stream]

I use the one that when I gain a 5th warp charge someone spontaneously combusts. Yet another trait I'll use until they buff warp charges and the build stops sucking

[vital bough]

Take 1 as you first feat, you're going to have so much warp charges

[night marten]

fair enough

[fair axle]

I'm basking in so much salt from the Power Sword "nerf"... Who provides the popcorn?

[shut thorn]

how tf is it a nerf

[night marten]

if you're taking communion and AB, might as well run KO instead of 6 charges

[olive ember]

I just find theres never enough benefit with aura. crit zealots and ogryn should have built in CD refund, non crit zealots should be running two charges, and vets can have basically 100% uptime with their volley fire

I'm assuming they are using their abilities atleast somewhat optimally ofc but tbh if I'm stuck with shitters who don't know how to use their abilities then whats the point of running aura anyways

[burnt python]

it's mostly for yourself in combo with barrage

[night marten]

just think the utility outweighs communion if you're not trying to stack charges for KO

[grizzled iris]

Testing is finalized for the current patch.
Recommended Feats for current patch are as seen below.
Melee Tier List:
Mk V Combat Axe S Tier
Mk V Duelling Sword Moves up from B to A Tier
Mk IV Devil's Claw A Tier
Mk II Blaze Force Sword B Tier

Ranged Tier List:
Surge Force Staff Moves down from S Tier to A Tier due to the current Peril bug.
Purgatus Force Staff Moves up from B Tier to S Tier due to the current Peril bug not being as damaging.
Voidstrike Force Staff Moves up from B Tier to A Tier due to the current Peril bug not being as damaging.
Trauma Force Staff Moves down from B Tier to C Tier due to the current Peril bug.

Stay safe Warp Abusers.

[fair axle]

wE dOn'T gEt InFiNiTe ClEaVe AnD cLeAvE dOmMaGe or something like that

[fresh reef]

shout out to bots being the most braindead things ever invented

[south zephyr]

was under the immpression that KO was kinda shit

[shut thorn]

actually is it even possible to kill more than 10 with PS swipe? Wouldn't they be spread out too much lmao

[fresh reef]

like holy shit they just die

[night marten]

purge feels better after yesterday, thought the same thing two days ago

[tawny lagoon]

heres my survivability head pop build

[steel storm]

Peril bug?

[shut thorn]

4th, why

[fresh reef]

horde of walkers? shoving doesn't exist to them. Shooters? What do you mean I'm not supposed to eat lasfire with my vital organs?

[mild tartan]

I mean you either commit to maxing out warp charges constantly and using ascendant blaze or just ignoring them entirely ime

[runic gate]

Someone say MkV?

[olive ember]

I'm ngl I don't find myself hitting the peril bug ever with the Surge Staff, and the FS below the catachan and dueling sword is a meme

also didn't dueling sword get screwed because of movetech nerf

how did it go up a tier

[burnt python]

this is what i've been mostly running w/ void / fs on damn

[shut thorn]

no brutal momentum

[tawny lagoon]

dont have a good staff yet and hate the slowdown when quelling with hands, itll change when i have a good quell speed staff

[vital bough]

Paired with Ascending Blaze and Psychic Communion you can net yourself several warp charges a second, stacking 4 SB stacks every warp charge you get onto the nearest elite. It can stack up pretty quickly and seems to be able to stack higher than what a max stat staff can.

[burnt python]

taking aura often as well cant really decide which is better

[shut thorn]

use a non force melee

[steel storm]

What is the peril bug??

[zinc phoenix]

What kind of monster doesn’t test the chainsword

[south zephyr]

will give it a whirl then, thanks

[olive ember]

if you hit 100% peril i think twice or wte too quickly it animation locks you for two seconds

[steel storm]

Wow

[olive ember]

the only problem is that you only hit that peril bug running surge staff if you lmb or BB

the right click doesn't trigger the peril bug

[zinc phoenix]

Wow shocking it’s literally the same build everyone uses

[fair axle]

You could kill a wee bit more, as you could line up enough mobs and turn while swinging.. The big hit is that the cleave damage now falls off after the 3rd mob (all other weapons it's on the first mob). I still think it needs to do significantly worse against elites.. Ain't right that a horde weapon clears.. elites and specials like they were butter..

[teal cargo]

Its good for you but also cos Warp Charges don really do anything either

[runic gate]

Is Brutal Momentum ignore hit mass on crit, or ignore hit mass from armor on crit?

[teal cargo]

idk maybe even Cerebral Lacerations for better boss dmg

[burnt python]

theres been lik e10 builds posted in the last 5 mins and none of htem are teh same as this lol

[olive ember]

ignore hit mass on weakpoint hit
as in hit one poxwalker in the head and now you can hit all the poxwalkers for the next 2 seconds

[abstract frigate]

[shut thorn]

p sure it was just ignore mass in general

idr

[fair axle]

Want a tip :)?

[shut thorn]

dont feel like starting darktide

[grizzled iris]

Due to the insufficient synergy with the Psyker feats it is not recommended for a Psyker to use, If I had to rate it I would put it at B tier, but with the poor feat synergy it can't go any higher.

[runic gate]

Hm, that may be nice, I could add it later, but this thing is a beast on boss fights. I'd like to try it sometime.

[abstract frigate]

Took two days of pure suffering and was entirely luck based, lmao.

[abstract frigate]

That level 30 perk for faster BB?

[olive ember]

not sure how useful warp charges is vs kinetic flayer on voidstrike but thats about it

[zinc phoenix]

The first four traits are identical to every other build, the only changes are on the 5th and 6th perk. The 5th perk has two viable options, the 6th is basically determined by the staff you’re using and whether you think BB is shit

[burnt python]

flayer is an absolute dud imo, 6 charges alters damnation bb breakpoints

[icy marten]

might take it, since im purgatus i dont really use it for dmg

[keen adder]

yeah, penances have kind of ruined the Psyker class for me

[fair axle]

Damnation solo. The first area is almost guaranteed to have 5 Shotgunners/Gunners and you can one shot those.. Similar with the uhm.. Blow up one, just go into the first area on damnation and shock the elites there until you blow up.

[keen adder]

no other class has to beg other people to let it achieve penances

[fair axle]

Also, yes, it helps having the faster BB

[teal cargo]

Wait what Flayer is good 👀

[fair axle]

but it was mostly how to do it without fighting with a Vet on a Boltgun..

[sinful stream]

Stuck on going out with a bang and pick n mix.... good thing I have 50 games to finish before it needs finishing so fat shark has like 2 months to fix the bug

[night marten]

you can pick harvest or quietitude for 1 (absorption for void), aura or communion for 3, battery or KO for 5, and AB or barrage for 6

[teal cargo]

Zealot and the 20 min one

[olive ember]

Honestly I just like flayer for the braindead upkeep of warp charges (granted I run surge staff). And the 12% damage buff is more than enough to help me deal with hordes (combined with a deflector + slaughterer FS)

[grizzled iris]

That is unfortunate that it would roll poor First Target dmg, also the Perks are unsalvageable missing atleast 1 key perk to reroll the other.

[sick kindle]

Since DS sliding got nerfed I got me a combat axe for my purge build. Really liking being able to light attack dogs into instant stagger and two shotting them

[burnt python]

i will swap to flayer when running aura, cus 6 charges becomes unattainable, thats the only time i prefer flayer

[night marten]

flayer could be good with a gun build

bunch of precise damage on specific high-threat targets

[keen adder]

anecdotal, but that one wasn't that difficult for me, and even then, I'm not asking Vets to not shoot my BB targets, or people to not attack Monstrosities

[fair axle]

Gun builds are terribad unless you're playing Malice.

[keen adder]

if I as a Zealot do my job well, it's doable

[night marten]

but most staffs aren't precise to use flayer effectively

[mild tartan]

exactly

[zinc phoenix]

Ok but reality is almost everyone takes 3211 and then 1 or 3. Last one is where people have an actual choice. Which is dumb.

[olive ember]

Not rly, in practice since its on a 15 CD cooldown and rng 10% proc on any hit, you are more likely to hit a pox walker than an actual elite

[keen adder]

I can play my heart out as a Psyk and still have a horrible time

[night marten]

most of the time it's just going to pop on non-ideal targets

[teal cargo]

I mean your teammates can screw ypu over for that one by jus refusing to extract 💀

[keen adder]

trudat 😦

[olive ember]

And Flayer def procs on BB as well iirc

[karmic quail]

Did they fix psyker yet?

[sick kindle]

All it would take to kick out Veteran's ego is a nerf to camo expert. Then everyone would be equally shit at anti-shooters. : >

[night marten]

everything I said is damnation applicable, what most people do (in your anecdotal experience) doesn't matter much to me

[zinc phoenix]

Unfortunately this would basically break the game on higher difficulties

[dusky lantern]

Dayum new bug just happened

[mild tartan]

they changed the intro so you have to hold down a button now right? Or was it always like this and I'm crazy?

[sinful stream]

Check the service updates channel if you want to know if there's been a patch

[dusky lantern]

Insta die without using any wounds

RIP

[grizzled iris]

FS is below Devil's Claw and Duelling sword due to the slow peril degen as well as the block is only a 180 cone in front and not 360 as for all other melee weapons. FS Requires Block Efficiency investment across all curios as well as the weapon itself to be usefull in this regard.

[keen adder]

was a change

[burnt python]

75% reduced range damage says hello

[teal cargo]

lvl 10 and 15 talents dont really do much imo

[olive ember]

FS has a 360 block?

[teal cargo]

They all kinda unnoticeable to me

[burnt python]

fs below devils claw?? excuse me sir

[shut thorn]

Most fun one is when a mutant throws you into a wall that has a kill barrier in it and you instadie

[fair axle]

No, but Psyker's aren't bad.. We are very good on Damnation, our problem main lies in that.. Our entire feat tree was build around BB which was nerfed so hard that.. Our entire feat tree is doesn't really synergize with what we do in-game now.

[night marten]

during revive*

[sick kindle]

75% of 'fuck you, you are dead' in Damnation is still 'I NEED MEDICAE. WHERES THE MEDICAE'

[sinful stream]

Good to nnow about the block thing!

[karmic quail]

No I mean the bug introduced during the last patch

[teal cargo]

Every weapon has 360 blovk

its like VT

[fair axle]

Oh, no I don't think so

[burnt python]

naw vet has enough toughness to make it good

[teal cargo]

Its just FS can blocked ranged

[olive ember]

Also @sick kindle Tbh im fairly certain half the vets don't even run camo expert (I legit was playing a damnation game with 3 vets and my psyker ass and none of em were standing still). Their 1st ability that gives them a 75% toughness reduction is equally good

[burnt python]

its worse than camo dont get me wrong, but its good

[south zephyr]

FS w/ deflector is a great utility boss slapping stick

[sinful stream]

Maybe it's only ranged blocked 180? Idk

[frigid sparrow]

Is Run N Gun okay on surge?

[zinc phoenix]

I think psyker feats are bizarrely limited. Like why can’t we have a feat that gives us soulfire on every attack, or some feats that benefit using gasp guns

[burnt python]

fs w/ deflector is a straight up run saver, it bring utility that nothign else can provide

[sinful stream]

It's just the coolest so I use it 😎

[vital bough]

FS block all melee like every other melee.

It's only Deflector that will only block ranged attacks in front of you, but not behind you.

[shut thorn]

pointless tbh

[grizzled iris]

Sadly it does not, it only blocks in an 180 cone infront, hits from behind will not be blocked and will stagger you.

[sinful stream]

Blazing spirit perks on force sword and uhh void+trauma staves - yet another thing I do cuz its fun and I'm waiting for it to be not bad

[fair axle]

You can hear all the Ogryn's weeping now that they don't get something like that considering they are the tank..

[zinc phoenix]

What dark god did you go down on to get deflector 😂

[olive ember]

I guess I haven't ever had the need to use 360 block then

[teal cargo]

I still don have one

feels bad

[olive ember]

Cuz I've never been hit while using the FS and blocking

[mild tartan]

I want to move off peril block but its so useful in certain situations I'm gonna wait til they nerf it

[burnt python]

360 ranged block is rarely relevant if you position well

[south zephyr]

my FS is kinda shit, but I keep using it just cause deflector

[sick kindle]

Here's an oddball idea. How about give all classes anti shooter options and let Veteran be the anti-armor chad he was born to be? I dunno, just seems to be a strange move how hard they sucked off the idea of this being VT2 with guns and yet there are so pitifully few options to deal with them in higher difficulties. The state of Damnation progging is staler than bread left out on the counter for a week.

[zinc phoenix]

That’s not my idea 😡

[olive ember]

hes saying that melee block on FS is only 180, nothing is 360 degree ranged block

except maybe FS deflector revive

[teal cargo]

Melee block Fs only 180?

[burnt python]

sorry shoulda phrased better - lack of 360 ranged block is rarely relevant

[teal cargo]

damn that sucks

cos all the other weapons can block behind too

[zinc phoenix]

When it is tho it’s not relevant for long 😂

[vital bough]

Yeah but the guy isn't talking about ranged, he's claiming FS has no 360 melee block

[sinful stream]

Can anyone else back this up?? Only one guy said it but he said it confidently lol

[olive ember]

he says that I honeslty have never noticed a block angle difference from the FS

[grizzled iris]

The Block radius becomes 360 for melee and ranged during Revive / Removing Trapper Net
Sadly we aren't always reviving / removing trapper net

[olive ember]

yes I know that

[zinc phoenix]

“Help I’m being shot from 360 degre- and I’m dead” ☠️

[burnt python]

ya if you gettin shot from behind you already goofed somewhere

[night marten]

confirmed. block is not 360 while not reviving

[olive ember]

idk why people are talking about the 360 degree ranged block tho, when the melee block is what matters

[teal cargo]

Are you sure you cant normally block melee hits in the back?

[burnt python]

you can at extra block cost

[teal cargo]

Cos ive done thT on other weapons while not reviving

[olive ember]

tbh if you are playing well I have no clue when or why you need 360 degree block XD

[burnt python]

aka its still better to just turn tf around

[vital bough]

For melee as well, though?

[zinc phoenix]

Being able to roleplay a Sith Lord and block all incoming ranged fire is pretty good actually

[sinful stream]

I was just postulating that maybe the 180 this guy was talking about was for Deflector. Cuz not being 360 block on melee felt wrong in my head

[olive ember]

well yes but its not 360 degrees tho and that wasn't the original point

[zinc phoenix]

I wish I could simultaneously BB AND shoot lightning

[night marten]

would have to double check honestly, I don't stay facing the other way for very long

[olive ember]

we were talking about whether the force sword had 180 or 360 degree melee block

[grizzled iris]

Blocking Melee hits from the front and back are available to all weapons except FS, if you block an attack from behind it costs double the stamina or double the peril if using the "Kinetic Deflection" feat

[olive ember]

and someone started mentioning the ranged block and now my small brain is just confused

[simple junco]

You can run Purg and do that tbh

[sick kindle]

I want to be able to tweak my ult with a talent that jams enemy firearms, maybe replace the shitty BB buffing one with it.

[olive ember]

TBH even with 180% block angle FS is still above dueling sword and devil claw

[burnt python]

use audio cues, turn to face ur attacker when blocking is always the best choice

[zinc phoenix]

No you have to switch to one or the other. You can’t manually force choke BB someone while zapping them

[olive ember]

the only weapon you should actually be in the position to utilize 360 degree melee block is the combat axe

[burnt python]

better yet turn and push and dont get hit

[teal cargo]

Nah beimg able to block hits behond you or off to the side pretty relevant

[olive ember]

due to push attack wading through hordes

[olive ember]

idk I haven't noticed getting hit at all using the FS

[sinful stream]

That's incredibly relevant idk who these ppl think they are never once being attacked from behind

[zinc phoenix]

Usually I try to position so that I’m not getting spit roasted by ranged fire tbh

[frigid marten]

i'm pretty sure that block revive is just block.

[burnt python]

lol positioning y ourself so no enemies can be behind you is a rather large part of getting good at this series

[olive ember]

Especially if you combine it with the fact that the FS has infinite dodge and you can spam shove with it to basically stop anything directly infront of you from attacking

[teal cargo]

Yea or never plaued VT and get stabbed on the back for half hp by a slave ray 😆

[teal cargo]

Enemies can spawn behind you

[sinful stream]

Random spawns behind you

[supple skiff]

you get flanked by 2 gun lines your having a bad time regardless of the weapon you have lol

[zinc phoenix]

And when I do get spit roasted by ranged fire it’s always over quick because either
A) I am dead
B) the one dreg with an AK behind me is dead

[olive ember]

I will say I played IB bardin so standing in front of a hoard and not getting hit from behind or the side is probably one of the first things you learn

[grizzled iris]

Are you willing to get 20% block efficiency on weapon, as well as 10% on all three curios then it is completly fine. Do however remember that if you were to get hit in the back while blocking you will get staggered and your block will go down during this time window everything around you as well as the ranged dmg you were trying to block instead of dodging will hit you, and probably down you.

[burnt python]

yes and you reposition

always keep the horde in front of you

[fresh reef]

are servers particularly shit today for anybody else?

[teal cargo]

Bardin would be super sad without 360 block during the taunt

[olive ember]

I have never been staggered as of up to today atleast, and you really don't need that much block efficiency?

[zinc phoenix]

Ranged damage stagger like “nah”

[sinful stream]

I'm not an idiot, it's just silly to say that you'll never get hit from the side/back.

[olive ember]

like I have maybe 25% combined from a FS perk and one curio and I do just fine

[burnt python]

i'm not calling you an idiot

[simple junco]

Moreso was talking about you'll get a BB proc from Kinetic Flayer as soon as it's off cooldown with Purg rip

[burnt python]

and im not saying its impossible to get hit from behind

i'm saying as you play this game more you will recognize ways to prevent shit being behidn you at all

[robust meteor]

this was with 42% block efficiency

[fresh reef]

spawncamping the doors helps

[vital bough]

Can anybody confirm if Reduced Gunner Damage% also reduces peril gained when blocked with deflector?

[burnt python]

for example, fs has infinite dodges, when shit is coming from behind, you turn sideways hold block and dodge til everything is in front again

[olive ember]

well yes but why are you just holding block and walking towards both the ogryn and the mauler tho

[zinc phoenix]

I’d change that to “significant shit” rather than simply “shit” because sometimes a pox walker will pull a Walker Texas ranger and teleport behind you

[fair axle]

I mean.. It should? Peril gain is determined by damage done. Block Efficiency should also reduce it as the peril acts like stamina.

[olive ember]

just dodge backwards and kill the mauler

[zinc phoenix]

While back flipping into a barrel roll

[robust meteor]

too scared taking damage from the room i was about to go in. my gamer sense was off

[finite ledge]

even though its a bad play it shows the block angle

[vital bough]

Yeah but I don't wanna assume, stack my curios for it, and then feel like an ass 2 months from now when it's confirmed not to lol

[teal cargo]

Jus be like me and stack ordo dockets

one day that moneu will be useful

[fair axle]

Be like me.. Stack Ordo, Exp & Curio rewards

[olive ember]

I mean I'm just saying you walked into the plague ogryn and a mauler overhead at 70% peril, who tf knows how much block efficiency you would need for that

[zinc phoenix]

Alrighty mr Scrooge mcduck here’s your swimming pool of mcduckets

[teal cargo]

Ok, I don think xp will ever be useful

[umbral gust]

Buy all the different colours of the exact same cosmetic

[sinful stream]

Yeah mauler overhead breaks anyone's guard and deals damage

[fair axle]

Crusher overhead bypass block, so does monstrocity overhead

[zinc phoenix]

Plot twist: the only color is gray

[olive ember]

idr anymore I haven't been hit by a mauler overhead in a while either tbh

[robust meteor]

if you dont fuck around sometimes you'll never find out

[olive ember]

crushers ik fuck you tho

[burnt python]

if you are eating overheads block cost reduction is the least of your worries lol

[olive ember]

literally through my peril through my stamina and takes all my toughness

[fresh reef]

I'd love to test my builds on dif 5

[olive ember]

always depressed when that happens

[umbral gust]

[fresh reef]

shame the servers can't fucking handle dif 5 lmao

[teal cargo]

Hey you could block those in VT

[sinful stream]

There's this one game called something tide I've played and they had a cool system where you keel "leveling" up symbolically and each time you get a little gear reward! Wish the devs had played that game its a good idea

[zinc phoenix]

It’s really hard to get hit by them but that one in a million time where they do hit you are fukt

[fair axle]

On Damnation and Overhead kills everyone but an Ogryn xD

[zinc phoenix]

It’s always funny seeing noobs try to block the crusher overhead tho

“Nice knowing you chump”

[slate cedar]

"Toughness blocks all damage"

[teal cargo]

I feel.like Obese Fish has amnesia cos they never learn between games

[fresh reef]

"peril block will save me"

clueless

[burnt python]

one of those lessons that doesn't take many attempts to learn lol

[olive ember]

I mean I do it on malice since it never kills me and I’m lazy

[teal cargo]

whaaa

then you might as well keep hitting

rather than try to block

[supple skiff]

that overhead tracks more then it lets on lmao

[sinful stream]

And dyslexia cuz it seems like they can't read the 100s of reddit posts and forum posts asking them to implement small qol vermintide features

[fresh reef]

true. I stg it has an explosive aoe or some shit

[olive ember]

if you have low peril full stam and full toughness a crusher overhead doesn’t do health damage atleast on malice, so if I’m lazy or like plugging in my headphones one hand off keyboard I’ll just hold rmb and wait

[finite ledge]

he comes at you like a magnet

[burnt python]

dodge overheads later than u think

[slate cedar]

Once more: "Toughness blocks all damage" is what you're told in the tutorial, and the tutorial demonstrates (try it, even getting melee'd doesn't hurt your health). Is it really a shock to see people try and block, because even if the block fails, they've been taught *"Toughness blocks **all *damage"

[teal cargo]

Yea tutorials messdd up there

[fair axle]

Welcome to Fatshark in which they decide to reinvent their systems.. 2 months before a release.

[olive ember]

On malice you def can block a crusher overhead without taking much/any damage but that relies on you having full toughness no peril and full stamina

[simple junco]

Huh. Seeing some psykers run a laspistol. Is this an actual thing?

[olive ember]

It’s def weird tho idk if it works on anything above malice

[teal cargo]

It soinds like even if you dont block ot wouldnt do dmg

[fair axle]

No, it's a few Psykers in denial..

[teal cargo]

cos i don think blocking does anhthing

[burnt python]

im very confused by your choice to block overheads even on malice lol

your options are: press rmb, or press dodge

not exactly more work to do 1

[teal cargo]

Or just keep hitting it

[fair axle]

They get kicked from Heresy and Damnation in 2 seconds flat.

[teal cargo]

if you are going to try to nlock

[simple junco]

Rip, this was in heresy lol

[teal cargo]

like idk any reason to be trying to block cos afaik it doesnt reduce any dmg

[supple skiff]

might have that pistol macro lol

[supple skiff]

turns it into a recon las

[mortal pendant]

thank u empy...

[simple junco]

Pistol macro?

[olive ember]

@burnt python Well you see my headphones have shit battery and the charger is loose and literally falls out if I move my head too much

so my left hand is constantly off the keyboard trying to plug the damn charger back in

And that’s when silent crushers like to strike

[fair axle]

Kick it, they're just a drag on the team.. Useless damage output, no utility and an ammo whore.

[burnt python]

well that is one scenario where it makes sense lol

[supple skiff]

yeah some guy yesterday found out that with the right imputs you can machine gun a las pistol, and he made a macro

[simple junco]

Yeahh, the guy was sealing from the vet a lot

[burnt python]

same thing as the fs lawnmower

shits gonna get fixed

[slate cedar]

after voice acting lines are apparently locked in. So you hear and read "Toughness blocks all damage". Hell, my understanding is when people realised the bug, they went "not a bug it's a feature ololol" and have done nothing to amend the tutorial. Or adjust core systems.

[spiral inlet]

does the psyker head burst scale with mission difuculty?

[supple skiff]

I would hope so

[burnt python]

just like how the obv surge cancel bug was fixed and ppl came on here crying

[simple junco]

Speaking of, I've only run a staff on Psy. How is gun psyker supposed to work?

[supple skiff]

no

[burnt python]

and ppl will do the same for void fix

[olive ember]

Lmao who wants to tell him

[burnt python]

ya shoot em in the head

[slate cedar]

Nope. Flat damage. Even the bonus damage from headpopping isn't enough. on higher difficulties

[simple junco]

So like, you're just Diet Veteran?

[vital bough]

So an interesting thing about FS alt-charge, you can actually stay mobile during the animation lock if you dodge right before, and slide as you're hitting

[teal cargo]

Yep

[burnt python]

you still get bb, peril block, can utilize aura well, etc theres a few benefits, bu t in essence yes - diet vet

[olive ember]

@spiral inlet it’s a fixed 1000 damage base, so that 4k hp mutant in damnation? 4 brain bursts have fun

[simple junco]

Ehhh... I'll just stick to a staff

[olive ember]

If you have 6 warp charges that’s like 18% more damage, so 1180 damage per brain burst… that 4k mutant? Still 4 Brain bursts

[teal cargo]

Maybe even diet Zealot

[burnt python]

it changes bp's on bulwark, reaper, & crusher

[fair axle]

Brain Burst scales according to enemy tyyype

[burnt python]

and maybe dog too? dont recall

[teal cargo]

Cos except for blocking Zealots tankier than gun psykers

[supple skiff]

its a sorry state of affairs but its where we're at

[slate cedar]

If it was 25% more damage per stack, it would be great.

[fair axle]

Base damage on Brain Burst for Bulwarks is 1k, 1,2k with 4 stacks.

[olive ember]

I’m assuming from 4 to 3 on the ogryns, def not damnation dog which has ~2k hp

[teal cargo]

25% per stack would be nice but prob op

[burnt python]

yes 4 to 3, theres another bp i can't recall right nwo that was actually n ice, flamer maybe?

[supple skiff]

make it 25 but just warp damage

[olive ember]

Maybe flamer

[robust meteor]

i posted in beta on the forums that it should apply a 25% damage increase on repeated bb targets

literally no responses

[fair axle]

3 on Ogryns on Heresy+, more like 2.5 but since we can't finish it early.. 3

[slate cedar]

How? You oneshot enemies at 3 and below, and it's something you have to maintai n on higher difficulties. Sure, you can make the argument for boss monsters, but that's where boss specific damage reductions kick in.

[teal cargo]

Idk why cerebral lacerations doesnt work on BB thas just dumb

[burnt python]

it does lol

not intended to, but it does

[olive ember]

I mean they actually nerfed BB damage, I remember you could 1 shot maulers on uprising in closed beta, now it needs two shots even on sedition

[teal cargo]

whaa?

[burnt python]

i have not tested but someone said it did yesterday

[naive dawn]

its a bug I think it works on all damage 15% amp, even though it says it doesnt.

[simple junco]

If BB would stagger things around the target on use, I could get behind that. Even with the damage being where it is

[teal cargo]

Cos warp charges affects all your dmg so itd be dumb for your weapons

100% more dmg on Purg 👀

[slate cedar]

Interesting, I thought it only affected BB.

[olive ember]

It used to stagger wte it was targeting the moment you targeted it, which meant that rager mid combo you could just stop… but I guess that was too powerful

[burnt python]

100% more dmg on void

[fair axle]

Everyone remember.. You can animation cancel your force sword charge
https://files.catbox.moe/604oso.mp4

[supple skiff]

gauss cannon psyker

[vital bough]

Just took Cerebral Laceration and tested BB to confirm, it does work on BB.

[raw breach]

Trauma staff becomes Coruscation staff and leaves flame patches that apply soulblaze

[burnt python]

all ya'll advocating for using these bugs just to come back heartbroken in a week when its fixed

[simple junco]

Just like all good things, expect it to get fixed eventually lol

[vital bough]

1100 dmg on Reaper before, after I press F it's 1250ish

[burnt python]

just learn the game w/o obvious unintentional mechanic use

[teal cargo]

Wait what lacerations i thoight increase dmg after BB?

why after F?

[simple junco]

Which gun is best to use for Gun Psyker? Gonna give it a shot because why not

[fair axle]

It's a warp explosion

[supple skiff]

we're getting unintended nerfs, might as well use the good shit while we can

[olive ember]

Tbf some of these bugs are literally done naturally, like surge staff animation cancel I do naturally whenever I’m surging and a horde starts to swarm my ass

[proud mantle]

Idk about best but revolver feels really nice

[supple skiff]

not like doing high level shit gives anything worth having

[night marten]

ego baby , makes it all worth it

[robust meteor]

out of all the animation cancelling bugs, they removed the one that actually felt natural

[vital bough]

Ah, I don't use it much, thought it was from the F ability.
But I mean, it kinda still works considering the 2nd brainburst is still doing what's intended

[olive ember]

Same as vet guns, the mk 12 or the recon lasguns

[teal cargo]

Not bad

[olive ember]

The weapon swap animation cancel is still a thing iirc unless they changed something today

[teal cargo]

maybe use Cerebal lacerations now hmmm

[south zephyr]

anyone know how to get rid of the new cosmetic dot bug?

[fair axle]

Hmm, no, it does that even without explosion

[teal cargo]

I mean tagging a reaper or something and giving team more dmg is not bad

and great for bosses

[fair axle]

If you do 1.1k before and you do 1,2k after that's because you were in the 5s window the buff applies

[vital bough]

Read my last message, I've already corrected myself

[teal cargo]

Don think it changes any BPs thoigh

[south zephyr]

been going 1 wound and 2 toughness curios, how about you lot?

[hardy fog]

LOL

[teal cargo]

Although Lacerations prob changes BPs if 6 warp stacks do

👀

[fair axle]

Naw, Lacerate is something you run on a Purgatus staff on a boss, 'cos you do more damage than BB just burning it

[burnt python]

probably, but lacerations is a bug so i'd rather not get used to it lol

[teal cargo]

😔

[night marten]

oh I'm not considering bugged functionality

[teal cargo]

Maybe the bug is the UI again

and its meant to do this

[night marten]

as intended, I don't think lacerations is worth it pretty much ever

[naive dawn]

@south zephyr %hp on every curio, but thats just me. i dont see the point of wounds/toughness.

[teal cargo]

idk the other skills don really do anything either amd all

[burnt python]

i run 1 wound, cus shit happens

[teal cargo]

yea i do 2 hp and 1 wound

[vital bough]

True but the burn DoT itself may not be considered a 'warp-source', and may get benefits from Laceration.

I know the DoT isn't considered a 'force-weapon attack' for Psykinetic's Wrath

[fair axle]

As long as we get feats that compliment our weapons so our feat aren't BB centric.. I am good, then we are like every other class

[night marten]

are +wounds base stat only for curios?

[burnt python]

you still have to land a bb with ho w its intended

[night marten]

or can they be perks too

[burnt python]

land bb > charge purge > release purge, not really feasible

[teal cargo]

Youd want to do so anyways cos ypur team benefits and all

[vital bough]

I'm not arguing for it's viability, just saying these things may apply, I'm just wanting to test it out

It's still shit in practice, I know

Cause you have to BB

[teal cargo]

Like vs bosses sounds pretty nice

[vital bough]

I'd need it to be 10 seconds after BB instead of 5 to make me even want to bother with it

[night marten]

monstrosities are rarely the reason a wipe occurs imo

[burnt python]

bosses in their current state are very low on the threatening enemy scale

[night marten]

so +15% damage doesn't change the equation much

can mostly just kite them while dealing with the real threats (specials/ranged packs)

[teal cargo]

But also lets you maybe hit other BPs for killing elites

with BB

[burnt python]

not if they fix it

[fair axle]

The dot is not, but your direct attack is considered force and the direct attack accounts for a 1/3 of the damage and that includes 15% from laceration (which doesn't count for the dot either).

[teal cargo]

Well it could be an UI bug again

Like Trauma

[burnt python]

its way too specific to be a UI bug

unles they intentionally changed functionality and left old text in

[vital bough]

Just to put this out here:
Cerebral Lacerations does give 15% bonus damage to at least your Purgatus staff's DoT

[teal cargo]

what if its supposed to be warp attacks onlu?

[vital bough]

Just tested it

[naive dawn]

I think its 15% all damage

[vital bough]

It's not supposed to be

[simple junco]

Supposed to be non-warp

[naive dawn]

Its just not either written correctly, or its bugged.

[teal cargo]

Yea but could be Ui

[burnt python]

this is all the same energy as "surge dps is good, just abuse this bug!"

its gonna be fixed

[naive dawn]

Yep

[burnt python]

dont rely on it

[fair axle]

This is how you make an extremely strong Purgatus staff tho

[burnt python]

let alone build around it

[teal cargo]

change non warp to "all" or "Warp"

[fair axle]

It is amazing for hordes.. Dogshit for small skirmishes..

[burnt python]

purge is good for small skirmishes too, lmb is strong af

unless the small skirmish includes 1 ranged boy 😄

[fair axle]

If they're lumped together sure, but not if they're spread out 😛

[near wyvern]

LMB is crazy good at staggering, especially with run n gun

[burnt python]

i mean is there a single weapon thats not true for?

[night marten]

sure, just spin mouse with rmb

[fair axle]

I much prefer destroying Scabs in one instant charge of surge

[vital bough]

Run n gun is a waste of a blessing slot imo lol
You could have Warp Nexus and Warp Flurry

[burnt python]

i prefer my weapons to be able to handle all enemy types personally

[fair axle]

Guns? I mean, you can generally only shoot at one target at a time for those :P?

[teal cargo]

Surge cancel at 100 peril was bug cos it looked very strange and unintended.

This feat just seems really not good unless its supposed to be all dmg

[burnt python]

not hating on ur surge choice, i just get irrationally upset when my wep is dogshit vs some random weak enemy

[near wyvern]

If you would get to choose sure but my beloved gives what he wants so what can you do

[fair axle]

I'd like to see a multi shot lasgun that targets multiple enemies

[robust meteor]

run n gun purge is fun to take in grim/scrip runs

[burnt python]

yeah but spread out enemies negate suppression

speaking of suppression, can someone please tell me why tf the very large charged up v oidball does not suppress but lil baby left click does???

[teal cargo]

You cant pick blessings

[fair axle]

All the Vets I know that play Damnation have the on weak spot kill, clear suppression and be immune to suppression for x second.

[burnt python]

its not for you, its for your team

[robust meteor]

is that Ghost?

[night marten]

[near wyvern]

Well yeah, supression on damnation is real and if you can't shoot back to kill / counter supress you can be gone in the blink of an eye

[teal cargo]

My strayegy on zealot for gunners and shotgunner packs is just cower

[fair axle]

Oh you mean our suppression.. Apologies, I read it as.. they suppress

[burnt python]

ah gotcha, nah talking about our ability to suppress enemies

someon go make fatshark give void right click suppression pls

[orchid nacelle]

[fair axle]

I think the idea is that it CCs everything around the blast tho

[burnt python]

lil baby lmb = enemies cower

[fair axle]

So it doesn't need suppression

[burnt python]

very large scary rmb = shoot you inj the face

[bright raft]

worth buying? havent played around with this wep. play mostly damnation/heresy

[burnt python]

it only blasts when colliding with terrain, carapce, or unyielding

aka if you shooting into scab gunners theres no blast unless you hit terrain intentionally

[fair axle]

I would not bring anything but a force sword deflector for damnation

[burnt python]

which is rarely the right choice

[bright raft]

Exactly haha need to try out other stuff in Heresy at least

[teal cargo]

mk5 axe thoigh

or rapier

[burnt python]

axe is better if your team is good

fs better for carry jobs

[bright raft]

I believe many things have their place.

[burnt python]

or rather revive-heavy jobs lol

[fair axle]

Yeah, but if you want axe or rapier, you seriously need to be good at dodging shots or your toughness is goen and then you dead.

[bright raft]

yes xD clutch plays

[robust meteor]

you pug damnation, you bring fs

[bright raft]

I love rapier parry special, reminds me of VT2 withhunter rapier

have to play around with that too

[burnt python]

i had a pug damn run lost yesterday cus of 1 fucking shotgunner i couldnt deal w/, went right back to fs for the pub experience

[fair axle]

Do like that the rapier seems to deflect bullets without blocking tho

[bright raft]

so no go on that buy then?

[vital bough]

Good vet = team is good and kills gunners = you take axe to clear hordes and peril block spam

Bad team = FS deflector cause "Ah fuck, I gotta pick them up again"

[burnt python]

axe is better vs carapace too

[night marten]

honestly as much as I love purge I feel like it's not a great choice without FS deflector

[burnt python]

cus animation lock on fs special

[vital bough]

You can slide during the animation to move

[night marten]

just don't have an answer for anything ranged, you have to be completely babied by the team

[vital bough]

But i get the gripe

[burnt python]

did not know that

[teal cargo]

Yea but you can do surge and axe

[night marten]

with fs deflect it's great

[fair axle]

I still just run Force Sword, 'cos I am usually on Purgatus staff when playing with my team :).. So 1 Zealot can bring a Boltgun and the other a flamer and the Vet can yolo with either Boltgun, Plasma Gun or Hellbore

[teal cargo]

and surge can stun gunners

[burnt python]

the problem w/ deflection + purge is you still have no way of dealing with the gunners, you just have a way to delay

[vital bough]

Yeah just hold the heavy attack, dodge sideway into a slide, and as you enter slide hit the charged attack and you'll move as you get hits

[bright raft]

brain blast

😛

[night marten]

you can close distance to pull groups into melee in relative safety

[burnt python]

i advocate for bb on here as much as anyone, but it aint deal w/ 30 gunners

[bright raft]

hahahah I know 😛

[near wyvern]

I like my knife. With 1 warp stack or ogryn in coherency I can one shot headshot with heavies all trash mobs, melee and ranged

And the mobility on that is really useful for positioning.

Kinetic deflection for the tanking of course. The toothpick has only 2 stamina on psyker.

[burnt python]

situationally yes, theres a lot of maps with long ass sightlines where thats not viable - throneside for example

[teal cargo]

you xant really advance on gunners

cos peril goes up a ton

blocking shots

[night marten]

yea I generally BB and duck behind cover

[wise pecan]

I mean, every character has weaknesses. It’s why you have four of them instead of just one

[night marten]

unless they're in purge range

[burnt python]

all i know is my damnation runs go a lot smoother when i can do a lil bit of everything

[bright raft]

Been having fun with surge staff with run and gun and warp flurry

not bad

[teal cargo]

hey Zealot w flamer also don do much vs gunner packs

and they don even habe BB

[near wyvern]

FS has unlimited dodges. You can avoid a lot of peril generation for dodging left right left right

[lethal rain]

What voices do y’all use for the Psyker? also do you think fat shark will let us change our voices eventually?

[fair axle]

bUt FlAmEr Is StRoNgEr ThAn PuRgE

[teal cargo]

won you get hitstunned?

[near wyvern]

But still you would help the team more if you just BB the gunner

[spice oar]

INCOMPARABLE MIND

[fair axle]

ACH!

[burnt python]

assuming your team understands whats going on and shoots the gunners, yeah

[teal cargo]

Kneel Kneel!

[spice oar]

now i wanna play my psyker but i cant because im bored of playing psyker

[wise pecan]

No, Beloved, I don’t think they’ll let us change voices

[burnt python]

but that is not a given

i like to solve problems not delay them lol

[fair axle]

I think most Psykers went with the Mad Scientist

[burnt python]

aka void

[teal cargo]

I use female Loner

[spice oar]

loner is simply best voice, however the Savant ult lines are chefs kiss

[bright raft]

Ogryn is the way, with a Psyker pocket >:)

[lethal rain]

I picked seer which I really like but I’ve been getting FOMO about the savant

[near wyvern]

I would have liked to use the savant for the personality but it just did not sound right to have that deep voice in a white dude

So I am stuck with beloved for now.

[bright raft]

seer is best

I am dramer

[fair axle]

Who doesn't want a fat German accent screaming nonsense

[burnt python]

ogryn is actually godlike at dealing with gunner packs

[bright raft]

My thumper

[burnt python]

rumbler rumbles

[bleak sonnet]

savant is best

uninstalling is real hidden op tho

to keep the game fresh for dlc

[near wyvern]

ALT+F4 works every time as a band aid

[burnt python]

my elden ring strat

[bright raft]

I think I play psyker better because I am mentally ill.

[bleak sonnet]

my elden ring strat was get banned from ERPVP

[teal cargo]

I wish Savant wasny such an Imperium supporter

[burnt python]

ive played way less er pvp than i did ds1 & 3

shit was so broken early on lol

havent played in a long time

[near wyvern]

I got to gold in DS3 duels and then quit the game

[bleak sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/oi-brazil-soccer-match-gif-14567723

me and like 20 players got banned from the erpvp server because we named ourselves brazil and made our profile this gif

[slate star]

what's the difference between DS mk2, 4 and 5?

[bleak sonnet]

and brazilian mod got triggered and banned us all

:(

[near wyvern]

I know some DS have two pokes as heavies and some have one slash one poke

One mark also has cleaving as a stat while other didn't

So move sets and stat bonuses differ

Slightly

[wise pecan]

It took me a minute to realize that you meant Elden ring pvp and not some bizarre competituve erp arena where you “battle” other players

[robust meteor]

dodge range on mk5 is 2x than 2 and 4

[burnt python]

yup and has the best heavies imo

its not 2x tho

its like +12%

[robust meteor]

i'll have to check but when i compared it was 7ish compared to 15ish

[burnt python]

on top of base

[slate star]

yeah, u'r right, just checked mk5 has defence instead of cleaving

[burnt python]

so 7% extra vs 15% extra

[simple junco]

Wow, just tried out gun psyker and it feels like I should just switch to Vet if I want to bother with a gun

[slate star]

good to know, ty!

[warm rune]

Shh you'll bring the gunpsykers

[burnt python]

the only reason gun psyker is good is cus mg xii is busted

[vital bough]

I think the only strong argument for gun-psyker is to let your peril quell passively while you swap off your FS.

Even then I'm never going to bother lol.

[silent fulcrum]

Anyone know what this map banner thing is supposed to represent?

[warm rune]

If you've completed that mission at a certain level

[burnt python]

its good because mg xii deletes gunner packs and the game gets way easier in general when that happens

[drowsy fog]

Which gun is the mk xii?

[warm rune]

But it doesn't track beyond like a little while ago

[burnt python]

the heavy lasgun

[warm rune]

So it means fuck all for penances

[burnt python]

280 dmg per shot or w/e

[drowsy fog]

Oh the semi auto las

[burnt python]

ya

[simple junco]

The gun itself is good, but basically none of your kit is being utilized besides the FS

[burnt python]

mg xii has very nice elite/special bp's as well even w/o vet feats

[vital bough]

Sure, but I simply do not care to try it.
It's just nothing like how I want to play Psyker.

[simple junco]

It was nice being able to take care of ranged, but the moment everything came in close I'm just like "nah this sucks"

[burnt python]

not wanting to use a gun on psyker is 100% fair and im in that camp too

doesnt make it not good tho

[drowsy fog]

If I EVER touch a gun on psyker I'm fond of the torrent lasgun

[simple junco]

Now the real question is

is running Lacerations worth it for Purg staff

[vital bough]

No, because you have to BB

[simple junco]

Kinetic Flayer

[burnt python]

short answer is no

kinetic flayer is rng

15 second cooldown

[simple junco]

So is warp charge generation

[lethal rain]

Lowkey feel like lacerations was designed for gun psyker swaps but idk

[burnt python]

yup, one of the many reasons warp charges are bad

[vital bough]

Typically anything you're going to WANT to BB is going to die in 1 BB.
So the entire point of giving it 15% damage taken AFTER is kinda defeated.

[lethal rain]

This isn’t true at higher difficulties

[simple junco]

Not... on higher difficulties lol

[burnt python]

warp charges need a change more than anythign else in psykers kit

imo

[simple junco]

tbh they should just make Inner Tranquility an iconic passive and allow us to build more freely

[warm rune]

How do people here fight monstrosities when not running guns?

on 4/5

[simple junco]

Burn it

[burnt python]

fs or barrage bb

or axe

[lethal rain]

Fs warp attacks is what I do

[warm rune]

bb feels so fucking bad on 4 and 5

[simple junco]

Monstrosities aren't exactly a big threat, so you can just do what works for you as long as you can kite and dodge

[onyx sentinel]

No hotfix huh

[burnt python]

i think if ppl did not have teh experience of bb being godlike at lower difficulty they woudl feel very different about it in 4/5

its still very good

[warm rune]

It's not godlike at lower if you're with a similar skill vet

[vital bough]

If you're talking about Ogryn's it's literally better to just use a force sword or bring a surge staff.

I don't see an overwhelming reason that'll compel to use BB on anything other than gunner elites, bombers, trappers, or snipers. And they all die in one hit of BB anyways.

[gray island]

people are sleeping on the toughness regen with warp absorption purge staff combo

[warm rune]

In fact I think it's weaker because less unyielding

[near wyvern]

WDYM it's not that bad

FS with deflector & quell on weak spot hits

Mk IV (pew pew and mobile) or Mk XII (slow but hard hitting) Lasgun

Then take talents 132133.

If you need toughness pop ult and BB. If you see a gunner, sniper, reaper, bulwark trapper or bomber -> BB. Always use BB once then pop ult if you need more.

Gun down all ranged like a vet, tank like a shield ogryn and increase ult usage through the roof for the whole team. Also best reviver in game.

[warm rune]

And here is the gun psyker

[burnt python]

mg xii also suppresses like a champ

mg iv does not

[fair axle]

Don't worry, they're stuck in Malice and sometimes infest Heresy too, mostly they just get kicked from Heresy and Damnation..

[night marten]

this guy @bleak sonnet is the gunpsyker I know of

[south zephyr]

221122?

[night marten]

can't ever remember his silly name but he gunpsykers

[drowsy fog]

Flayer is decent with purge since you hit so much at once you'll pop it often and 15sec is nothing. The second feat... uh... something overload? Also works with purge but really you can make make an argument for any of the level 25 feats. Warp battery less so but the argument exists

[near wyvern]

I mean gun payker is not the best but it is playable. There aren't just that many feats to support it since most BB feats are jokes.

[night marten]

purge damage is too indiscriminate, popping trash mobs more often than not

[south zephyr]

interesting, does PW buff purge flames?

[orchid nacelle]

i use 222313

[simple junco]

Very true, it'll be situational at best

[near wyvern]

Direct damage portion yes, soulblaze no

[gray island]

not the sb but the intial hits

[south zephyr]

isn't the direct damage rather negligible though?

[olive ember]

you run warp battery on purge for the 6 stack AB, its literally the only staff where running WB > KF is worth

[humble bluff]

the new psyker cosmetic has a horrible camo imo

[robust meteor]

cheesing up to 6 stacks and ulting to 0 for elite packs feels pretty good

[burnt python]

friends dont let friends use kinetic flayer

[high agate]

I just fucking realized you can buy level locked guns from the shop, just not equip them

[near wyvern]

Yes. Don't use PW with purge, has inner tranquility and flame for days.

[gray island]

its the same as ogrens camo last week 😦

[simple junco]

Inner Tranquility is nearly required for Purg/Void

[drowsy fog]

And?

[olive ember]

yeah I saw a reddit post about it a bit back and it enlightened me

[dawn orchid]

Literally no point to playing gun psyker unless you want to gimp your team on purpose

[burnt python]

kinetic flayers niche is mediocre charge management in conjunction w/ aura

[night marten]

doesn't provide enough utility over the other two options with purge.

[olive ember]

to be fair tho level locked guns are prob not the best gear score and will be replaced sooner or later

[night marten]

thought that was obvious.

[robust meteor]

there are alot of psykers here who carry their team

[high agate]

Shieeet. I missed a god roll on my vet because of that a while back. Oh well

[simple junco]

Most of them use staves

[olive ember]

Theres no reason to run KF on purge you generate stacks easily enough if you are using it against a large enough pack to proc KF consistently anyways

KF is used for warp charge upkeep on the voidstrike and surge

[warm rune]

I don't think you're giving credit to when you have a melee that'll one shot poxwalkers and then the head pop goes off on ragers/specials

[olive ember]

literally zero reason to run it on purge

[dawn orchid]

Notice how I said gun psyker

[drowsy fog]

It accelerates cutting through the horde. And warp battery gets you another 6% damage on... purge... the lowest damage number weapon oooooo

[burnt python]

there are no melees that fit that niche in a mixed horde, everythign good cleaves

[drowsy fog]

I prefer overload personally but flayer isn't useless

[warm rune]

caxe?

[wise pecan]

Honestly, I have had kinetic flayer kill important targets on surge surprisingly often

[burnt python]

cleaves

[near wyvern]

Untrue. If you don't have anyone with a rifle (flamer zealots, ogryns etc.) the ranged will tear you in herecy+ without supression.

[vital bough]

Kinetic Flayer is 1 proc of BB every 15 seconds for an average of 1000 damage.
1k damage every 15 seconds (not counting how long it takes to proc after the cooldown)

Kinetic Overload, especially with both Psychic Communion and Ascending Blaze giving you alternate sources of Warp Charges, can apply more than 1000 damage every 15s if you're gaining several warp charges a second in huge hordes of poxwalkers and dregs.

It's also very friendly with its targeting and can consistently apply upwards of 12 stacks of SoulBlaze on the same elite if you get warp charges rapidly in hordes.

[night marten]

6-stacks synergizes best with purge, because of AB, and KO also synergizes best with purge, because of it's killing potential+AB+communion+applying its own stacks, while KF has the LEAST synergy with purge due to indiscriminate damage application. @drowsy fog

[near wyvern]

One ninja spawn of ranged and boom

[simple junco]

I personally run it for consistent 4 stacks for max resistance, but this is QOL. Kinetic Overload is reasonably better for Purg.

[olive ember]

Probably because when running surge you are actively trying to hit the important targets to CC them

[long wharf]

the quartermaster is trolling me now

[dawn orchid]

Still true, because you could be playing vet instead and be 400% more useful

[night marten]

KF is the WORST choice specifically when running purgatus

[wise pecan]

True, yeah. No way it works as well on purg, I always run 6 stacks on that for AB synergy

[icy marten]

what's KF?

[night marten]

(psy?)kinetic flayer

[olive ember]

KO and Warp batter are both better, KO is kinda meh tho, Warp Battery you want for the extra 2 stacks of burn you get when you AB, which generally is more consistent and more general use than KO

[burnt python]

all the level 25 options suck lol

battery is the least sucky most of the time

[near wyvern]

Vet can't pick the others up when they are dead on the floor like my jedi boi can

[warm rune]

I don't have brutal momentum on mine yet, does it not one shot the cleave targets?

[drowsy fog]

Lol 2 people tagging me separately making separate arguments and not even reading all of mine

[wise pecan]

Kinetic Flayer, 10% chance every hit for free brain burst (15 second internal cooldown)

[vagrant cedar]

you lucky dog

[warm rune]

I thought it gave 100% cleave which would be full damage to all?

[night marten]

KO is decent with purge+AB+communion, but only with that setup

[burnt python]

only the 1st maybe 2nd depending on axe stats

[simple junco]

KO works best if you're running Wrack and Ruin, but since Purg basically needs Inner Tranquility for peril resist it can't really shine.

[long wharf]

if we gained warp charges more regularly, Kinetic Overload wouldn't be a bad feat for purge builds

[olive ember]

Brutal momentum makes the axe ignore hitmass for 2 seconds on weakspot hit (so literally a poxwalker head will proc it) , which basically is infinite cleave, without it it can only hit maybe 2-3 targets a swing iirc

[icy marten]

I believe KF helps to build up charges for Ascendant blaze. big stacks

[warm rune]

Even with limbsplitter?

[dawn orchid]

If you play a vet properly you won’t have to be picking up your team constantly from a lack of proper ranged damage

[simple junco]

If we gained WC more consistently, KO would be the defacto best 5th slot for Purg builds

[burnt python]

i cant test to answer you with confidence because i dont have momentum on mine

but you are going down a very niche rabbit hole to justify that perk

[warm rune]

In my experience

I one shot everything in melee except specials

[simple junco]

The only reason to run KF on Purg is to reliably generate WC charges for resistance

[warm rune]

so with surge and axe I get a lot of KF hits on good targets

[wise pecan]

Nobody on earth uses warp battery for the 6% added damage. They use it for the 2 extra soulblaze stacks and 12% reduced peril

[orchid nacelle]

what feats do you guys use on trauma staff

[long wharf]

if the purge's direct attacks counted as soulblaze damage (and thus would trigger AB chance at warp charges), KO would be amazing

[burnt python]

my axe, with limbsplitter and near perfect dmg rolls, does not even 1 shot all the basic mobs

[olive ember]

except with AB you have a built in 10% chance to generate on any burn kill anyways, so bringing KF is redundant, especially if you run communion

[burnt python]

speaking on damnation specifically

[warm rune]

On headshots?

[burnt python]

yes on hs

[supple skiff]

meanwhile powerswords exist

[simple junco]

Reliably being the keyword lol

[burnt python]

scabby boys live with like 2 hp

[vital bough]

That's what Psychic Communion (4% chance for warp charge on kill, for every teammate in coherency), and Ascendant Blaze (10% chance for all SoulBlaze kills to give Warp Charges) both are for if you try for Kinetic Overload.

It can genuinely net you several charges a second in large hordes on higher difficulties.

[warm rune]

oof

[long wharf]

yeah, you aren't getting a lot of soulblaze kills if anyone else on the team is helping kill the horde you're on

[burnt python]

and regardless, one of hte big perks of axe is it can deal with all elites etc w/o any extra fluff

[olive ember]

I'm able to one hit most lights to the head with my axe that I don't use tho

[simple junco]

This is moreso in regard to starting a wave with zero WC charges

[drowsy fog]

Here's all I said bud:
Kinetic flayer is usable
I prefer overload
I don't like battery
Calm down

[olive ember]

But in the meat grinder it can one hit light mobs

[burnt python]

mine specifically do es not 1 hit the scab melee guys

with + weak point dmg and perfect dmg rolls

and limbsplitter

[olive ember]

That is weird

[vagrant cedar]

no way people play with limbsplitter

[vital bough]

I just don't worry about it if I'm running Purg, all my damage is on the burn anyways and I'll get max stacks within the first 10 seconds of extended combat

[vagrant cedar]

no way

[gray island]

Anyone know what the symboling on the bottoms of some of the missions mean?

[olive ember]

The only one I cant one hit light are the stupid dreg guys who have armor on their heads but my antax can one hit lights even on damnation iirc

[warm rune]

Push attack on axe maintains every attack with limbsplitter

[bright raft]

Highest difficulty uve completed

[wise pecan]

I am tempted to see how overload works in a horde setting. Depending on how it stacks with regular purgatus soulfire, with how quick you build up stacks, I can see it popping off pretty hard

[olive ember]

Means you completed it at x difficulty

[burnt python]

limbsplitter 2nd best blessing on combat axe

[near wyvern]

That you have completed it with malice/herecy/damnation

[burnt python]

you can also reset chains w/ block so heavy > block repeat on carapace

[long wharf]

it's account wide

[vagrant cedar]

yeah but you're forced to maintain this rather than just spam attack

[olive ember]

The only problem is that it only started tracking missions you've done after the update and its account wide

[long wharf]

why? only FatDevs know why.

[warm rune]

'forced to'

[simple junco]

True, I think I'm working in Inner Tranquility too much into my build. The only reason I'm looking for the guaranteed stack is for resistance lol

[drowsy fog]

It can be hard to pick out the difference cuz everything is already on fire

[solid lake]

Its pretty good for melting ragers and maulers in a mixed horde

[vagrant cedar]

yes, otherwise you deal 20% less dmg

[gray island]

weird cause i have all heresy completed but tehre are some showing what i assume means malice only

[warm rune]

And I deal 20% more damage while pushing hordes back

[vagrant cedar]

1 attack every 5 seconds

[burnt python]

if you are spamming lmb with combat axe you are missing the point of hte weapon lol

[warm rune]

Lmao have you used mk 5 caxe?

[near wyvern]

It only starts to appear on completions after the last patch

Completions that were done before that are not marked

[drowsy fog]

Ohhh shit thats how I can track that penance

[gray island]

gotcha, thankyou

[warm rune]

Doesn't track from the beginning of play, missing a lot of completed missions

[night marten]

just remember, it only applies to missions completed after the update

[olive ember]

I mean not really, you spam lmb when using it on both zealot and vet, its only psyker that spams push attack since peril blocking

[vagrant cedar]

yes

[near wyvern]

I did pen and paper

[burnt python]

zealot has crit which makes the lmb cleave significantly more viable

[olive ember]

remember it only tracks missions you've done after the recent update + its account wide so it will share with other characters... most surefire way is still to just have a notepad or wte with every mission type and check them off manually

[burnt python]

vet i still spam pushattack and give up some safety cus cleave is king

[vagrant cedar]

best axe

[manic pumice]

I grabbed the veil, despite my better judgment

[vagrant cedar]

no trouble in clearing waves

[night marten]

actually for the mission completion penances it's still not great, because it only shows specific maps, not general mission types, with that symbol

[wise pecan]

Oh shit boi

[vagrant cedar]

spam spam spam all dead

[night marten]

so for the penance you still probably want to have a notepad of the types you've completed

[manic pumice]

I really need to finish the peril of the warp penance for the matching top....

[warm rune]

are you running peril blocking or not

[vagrant cedar]

ofc

[near wyvern]

I can't. I have the goggle hood so I am obliged to use it or my (teams) struggles will be in vain

[burnt python]

literally do the same thing while holding rmb for greater success

things die faster

and you are safe

[wise pecan]

Peril blocking is by far the best feat on that level. Like, it’s not even close lol

[manic pumice]

yeah I haven't even started working on the heresy penances yet heh

[warm rune]

I know, but he's saying he just spams lmb with peril blocing on axe

Which ???????

[vagrant cedar]

i can do 3-5 hits while you do your dance and land 1hit

[burnt python]

no, you cant lol. and my "dance" hits like 5 enemies

instead of 1-2

[vagrant cedar]

• i can be more "tactical" when to land those 3-5 hits

[warm rune]

Am I being trolled right now?

[burnt python]

my guy i dont even use axe often i have no dog in this fight, but you are wrong

[vagrant cedar]

i never ever hit 5 enemies at one time with an axe

with 1hit

max was 3 probably

[drowsy fog]

https://tenor.com/view/thatrangeguy-polenartactical-gif-11221105

[olive ember]

Mind in motion is nice if you aren't comfortable with active quelling but once you get into the high levels peril blocking is almost a must I'd say

[simple junco]

For a Purg build, would you rather use Inner Tranquility or Wrack and Ruin to use as a ranged option?

[drowsy fog]

Tactical

[near wyvern]

The thing with penances are that they take more from the team than from you to complete. It's just so oddly designed.

Like 3 people do all the work and this 1 guy who did nothing except ate at the readily made table gets the trophy.

[warm rune]

Uhh yeah because you're using a green with no blessings

[long wharf]

inner tranquility

[night marten]

tranquility

even with full purge setup, wrack and ruin isn't sufficient with just two stacks

[drowsy fog]

I don't even remember what wrack does yeah tranquility

[vagrant cedar]

yellow would increase the amount of cleavage targets?

[burnt python]

brutal momentum blessing

[night marten]

far too situationally applied too

[warm rune]

Brutal momentum

[solid lake]

Wrack and ruin is great until things take more than 1 BB to kill

[simple junco]

Eh, true. Was thinking it would amplify the burn damage quicker but nah

[warm rune]

Push attack is horizontal

So you can cleave left to right

[olive ember]

Brutal Momentum + decimator

[warm rune]

Instead of 'being tactical' attacking 2 people at a time

[burnt python]

decimator doesnt work on push attack

[warm rune]

While not blocking utilizing the perk you took

[wise pecan]

In my experience you want to push-spam on psyker, because you don’t have to worry about spending your stamina, but on vet or zealot stamina is way more valuable so just hitting dudes normally is generally better

[olive ember]

oh right

[burnt python]

blocking resets any "chains"

[vagrant cedar]

I don't understand brutal momentum... i tested it multiple times and it seems to work like 10% of the time

from what i understand, you headshot an enemy and you got 3.5s cleave all targets

yes?

[grizzled iris]

Antax Mk V Combat Axe
Base Priority:

1. 75-80% Dmg
2. 75-80% First Target
3. 75-80% Penetration
4. 60% Mobility
   W/e 75-80% Cleave Targets

20-25% Maniac Dmg
8-10% Special Dmg

Blessings: Decimator>Headtaker>Thrust

[burnt python]

p good until your perk and blessing evaluation

[olive ember]

wait does decimator reset on chains?

[burnt python]

yes

doesnt say it does, but it does

[warm rune]

that's rough

[olive ember]

E

[burnt python]

brutal momentum > limbsplitter > others

[long wharf]

why limbsplitter??