psyker-class

[manic needle]

Neither is the Psyker's damage output 🙂

[long wharf]

also very true

[runic hornet]

if you can aim a little bit, you can juggle a crusher, it's hilarious

[stark edge]

Dont recall it working on ogryns, but the rager and mauler thing is true sure. But you could play purge staff, stagger them just as much AND also just kill them with the dot damage

[orchid nacelle]

but also it opens up so many opportunities for environmental interactions and clutch moments

[sonic aspen]

I want my 2 handed force sword with horde cleaving ability

[abstract frigate]

Yeah it's a right pain. Need a private mode without bots, nobody ever wants to do it. Spent 6 hours with a mate today getting his. Literal hell.

[analog juniper]

Someone said their ability ranges from can barely bend a spoon to can tear a ship in half

[orchid nacelle]

imagine using a forcefield to bail your team out of a wailing squall of lead from the approaching traitor guard

that would be the hypest shit

[long wharf]

there are varying degrees of psyker abilities and strengths

[sonic aspen]

and explode a city worth of peoples brains without trying

[abstract frigate]

Basically, lol. Anywhere from party tricks to the God-Emperor himself.

[runic hornet]

yeah, but 8m radius for trash
When you trauma the ogyrns as they come in through the door, you also instantly delete every single trash mob within the 2.3m radius pieplate, and every trash mob within 8 meters goes horizontal on the floor

[stark edge]

As said above, either bend a spoon, or be the emperor of mankind and fight chaos gods with your mind

[sonic aspen]

Psyker variation is crazy

[runic hornet]

Of course, you can only do this twice

And then you're at 100% perils

[scarlet barn]

not a very easy range to game balance sounds like

[runic hornet]

but hopefully, your team can make use of all that space

[stark edge]

True, I dont think the staff is bad btw, just think its outclassed

[analog juniper]

Peril block and deflect

[supple skiff]

Spoon benders up to pre golden throne emprah himself

Don’t tell the ecelsiarchy I said that tho pls

[runic hornet]

i mean, every psyker stick is unique in its own way
Trauma staff I maintain is a more sustainable, higher damage, easier-to-use rumbler

[stark edge]

If you did that with the flamer or purge staff you killed the whole horde, staggered anything that lived, then killed it

[valid lake]

i dont know post rift emps is pretty baller burning nurgles garden for fun

[runic hornet]

and if you love the playstyle of rumbler ogyrn the trauma staff is better

[bleak tulip]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment

[abstract frigate]

And that's why they're so hated in the Imperium. A rogue psyker can literally cause the downfall of an entire planetary system. From just being stupid strong and blowing up the populace, to letting in a daemon.

[stark edge]

Rumbler ogryn is good fun i will give you that, BUT

[runic hornet]

purge staff doesn't have nearly the "wide reach". Let me emphasize, 8 meters

[stark edge]

you cant bonk a man in the face with the grenade as psyker

[runic hornet]

you literally protect your own ass and flanks the blast is so huge

[supple skiff]

Think that’s more the belief driven god power thing tho

[stark edge]

and its just not the same without it

[orchid nacelle]

my prediction for the next psyker class is a Telekine

telekinetic vortex, Crush as the alternative to brain burst

[runic hornet]

this is the one weakness
no dopamine inducing "bonk"

[jaunty atlas]

is there a way to reinforce that wet napkin of a force push ? man on cbt the thing was putting on the ground a whole room 5 meter ahead

[abstract frigate]

It's like a D&D Warlock "You have a 90% chance of spawning mage light, and a 10% chance of spawning Satan by accident."

[trail garnet]

Psyker Telephone is the next class

[ashen ore]

Who is hiding all the surge staves from the shop keeper

[valid lake]

first maybe make this one good to use first before we get others

[scarlet barn]

i wonder if psyker could work as a pet class???

[jaunty atlas]

?

[stark edge]

But how often do you need the 8m stagger, pushing the horde to the side and not killing it doesnt really help, if anything it makes it worse

[orchid nacelle]

i'm just making a prediction

[stark edge]

does make clutching easier though

[supple skiff]

Divination is next, F ability will tell you when psyker s will be good

[analog juniper]

Trauma staff is bad.
Not worth using.
It's like trying to go for a shuriken only run on master ninja difficulty in Ninja Gaiden 2.

[runic hornet]

the same crazy situations that ogyrn rumbler is clutch. Stuff going horizontal lets it be trivally meleed down

[supple skiff]

(Next patch)

[cyan notch]

yea thats a problem with trauma it just scatters everything doesnt kill them just makes it more annoying

[runic hornet]

again I'm really cofused because people talk up the rumbler and its ability to room-CC

[jaunty atlas]

the F told me "not likely to happen, ask again later"

[stark edge]

thing is that the situations where it can be clutch are usually avoided with the other staffs entirely

[runic hornet]

"man it's so good during assassination when the boss is getting rumblered"

[snow plover]

you can set them on fire with the push)

[humble skiff]

does charging the burn staff longer make it do more damage?

[stark edge]

Ok boss fights you might have a point

[runic hornet]

"there were mobs everywhere but the rumbler just staggered everything"

[abstract sonnet]

Pseudo pet class let us have the perils of warp call out some horrors that may or may not wreck us.

[long wharf]

no you just fire longer

[runic hornet]

Trauma is pretty much rumbler but higher damage and faster to use

[long wharf]

applying more soulblaze dot stacks

[valid lake]

lets ask the emps

[stark edge]

wut? The trauma push not the special. Also that talent sucks unfortunately, thought it looks cool as fuck

[runic hornet]

I don't understand the disconnect, aside from "funny bonk"

[snow plover]

aaah that... that sucks.

[scarlet barn]

lets you summon little demons to fight along side?
or is that a one way trip to death?

[void anvil]

I heard they shadow nerfed psyker is that true??

[left basin]

WHEN BB IS GOING TO BB AND NOT NASTY MIGRAINE

[abstract frigate]

I don't think the Inquisitor would like us summoning warp horrors very much.

[abstract sonnet]

Yes

[jaunty atlas]

the E said "play a staff and lacerations/flayer feat you glass peashooter"

[supple skiff]

Sort of, bug causing peril issues

[orchid nacelle]

Navigator psyker class that gives people aneurysms by making eye contact with them

[left basin]

yes, going over 100 while casting sometimes stops you from venting perils

[snow plover]

altho that talent works well with gun-psyker build

[stark edge]

There isnt a disconenct, it is basically the rumbler but psyker. But the ogryn cant flamethrower an entire horde, or CC everything that even looks dangerous to the point it isnt even remotely a threat

[grim bay]

so they nerfed power slide and they nerfed block amount with peril? intense

[candid hawk]

peril quell is a bug

[sonic aspen]

I mean daemonhosts are basically psykers whos pets decided they were gonna move in

[jaunty atlas]

you misspell fixed

[scarlet barn]

I know nothing of the lore
i just know this is like a successor to vermentide
so plz forgive dumb questions

[celest oar]

and they nerfed plasteel amount

[candid hawk]

getting stuck at 100 peril is a bug

[supple skiff]

Wait peril blocking got nerfed?

[grim bay]

nah wrote "nerfed" totally different word

[long wharf]

no

[abstract frigate]

But whyyyyyyyy you already didn't get enough.

[valid lake]

SOON TM BOYS

[cyan notch]

yea surge cc is too good to give up id only use trauma if there was already another surger in the party

[supple skiff]

Thank terra

[hasty ether]

well since surge staff is out of the question for now which one should I upgrade?

[runic hornet]

I mean viewed through the lens of "opportunity cost", maybe, but at that point I'd rather have 4 vets with power swords

[humble skiff]

when you close your fist do you also do another burst?

[stark edge]

Idk if i would take 4, maybe 2 though XD

[runic hornet]

every class is the opportunity cost of "could have been a veteran" once I start thinking that way

[orchid nacelle]

it's funny how psyker's staves are just "something that another class can do but slightly worse than that class"

[stark edge]

But unfortunatley since rn psyker is so scuffed, and you can stack classes now

[cyan notch]

no what other class can surge

[orchid nacelle]

zealot eviscerator

[valid lake]

vets PS also didnt really get nerfed if you dead angle it

[stark edge]

you kinda have to look through the oppurtinity lens if you care about "meta" stuff

[hasty ether]

I mean with the VFX no class can currently surge

[jaunty atlas]

there are still more psykers than ogryns. that puzzles me.

[stark edge]

if you dont and want to yeet people with trauma, go ahead

[trail garnet]

I dont particularly find any ogryn weapons fun to use

[celest oar]

i give up with their predatory practices, gonna come back in a few months

[stark edge]

Ogryn damage is shite with shield, and they can barely deal with gunners effectivly

[orchid nacelle]

rumbler is nuts

[stark edge]

I love mine, but good lorde when you cant hide behind a 2m wide pillar it feels real bad

[orchid nacelle]

arguably the strongest weapon

[shadow quail]

Vet is the chosen classs

[jaunty atlas]

you need to play more my friend

[runic hornet]

Voidstrike clears hallways at range like a bowling ball at ranges flamer can't
Purgatus never has dead windows for reloads which means you can spam it; total ammo is not hte concern of "don't spam flamer", it's the giant reload
Surge is the most unique, I don't gotta explain it
Trauma is literally stronger than rumbler, lmao

[snow plover]

rumbler is like flaming peanuts to an anthill

[scarlet barn]

I just want psyker to play like Sienna

[stark edge]

Possibly, but out of the 4 they felt the most likely to get clapped by the room of 45 gunners in damantion

[valid lake]

i only like stubber and rumbler off orgyn anything else kinda sucks

[trail garnet]

my sienna is level 1 and will stay level 1

[stark edge]

Though i defo want to play mine more with the cleaver since i like the design of them most

reminds me of battle wizard

[orchid nacelle]

in what way is the trauma stronger than the rumbler exactly

[cyan notch]

here we go agan

tired of seeing this essay

[orchid nacelle]

they seem like sidegrades

[stark edge]

it is, and its on a different class

so the comparison is largely pointless, if a fun debate

[orchid nacelle]

yeah

i accept that

[abstract sonnet]

With a shield they just protect the spark 'eads.

[snow plover]

for gunplay psyker would you agree on mkVII recon lasgun?

[stark edge]

until the spark 'eads walk past you and die anyway

[cyan notch]

yea theres opportunity cost within a class which makes the most sense and then theres the oh why dont i just play another class opportunity cost which is lame

[ornate hamlet]

I don't use lasguns but they're the most used one

[long wharf]

I'd agree you should just play a Vet

[runic hornet]

significantly higher damage (can oneshot helmet dregs with 450 hp damnation), charges in 1.3 seconds versus rumbler 2.3 reload meaning you can use it back to back fast if the istuation warrants it, no massive delay on explosion (your disabled teammate dies before the rumbler explodes, trauma gets the save instantly) more sustainable supply if the veteran is dead (this one is very minor)

[stark edge]

psyker in a nutshell unfortunately 😦

[leaden pier]

what perk should i reroll?

[abstract sonnet]

I have two spark 'Eads I run with a lot they know safe zones.

[ebon wigeon]

so with private rooms being a thing... can i do these dumb penances now?

[leaden pier]

yea

[ebon wigeon]

nice

[cyan notch]

might be harder for malleus tho lol

[valid lake]

yep

[snow plover]

why so?

[stark edge]

Oh yea in a coordinated group i loved my shield, just annoying when you say hey imma tank these gunners, plz kill them, only for them to all walk ahead of you and get shot

[runic hornet]

you can't bonk people at long range (but you have BB for that anyway) and you can't go AS Crazy in a sustained period of time where the ogyrn decides "ammo is for losers" an dshoots all 25+ of his grenades in a row, but these are fairly minor

[ebon wigeon]

if i can somehow kill off my bots

that would be best

[stark edge]

find 1 ogryn crusher or bulwark

and watch the AI cry itself to sleep

[valid lake]

skip BB and just void snipe things

[runic hornet]

the comparison here is trauma staff versus ogyrn rumbler

Everyone talks up the rumbler's strengths and yet the trauma staff gets abused

[ebon wigeon]

oh wait lol i still need at least one other person to make a private game

[orchid nacelle]

trauma staff has a left click you know

[runic hornet]

but I guess it's a similar situation to say, veterans and antax/claw/chainsword

[abstract sonnet]

Fully agree I'm trying to work on using the new maul or cleavers to use with randoms. I'm constantly trying to save random sparkys

[orchid nacelle]

you can definitely bonk people at range with it

[cyan notch]

i dont even talk about rumbler

who is this everyone

[runic hornet]

antax/claw/chainsword are all good but veterans have power sword so no one acknowledges those weapons are good because they all just use power sword

[opal whale]

Dunno, not tryed yet. U have to bear in mind that there are now Bots.
If u want to do the "blow up and take 3 elites with you" I guess that´s now "harder" to manage, cause bots won`t wait and gather 3 Elites =/

[cyan notch]

i think thats your own narrative

[stark edge]

Yea thats what im trying, I really want to love my ogryn but i find myself taking a lot of damage i just wouldnt ever take on the other classes

[valid lake]

thats because low lvl trauma staffs suck hard if they have good stats they are pretty awesome

[ornate hamlet]

What would you all say is the class ranking? I keep hearing people say either Psyker or Zealot are the best and Ogryn is the worst

[orchid nacelle]

i find it novel that there's an achievement whose requirement is literally "Die."

but actually getting it is harder

[cyan notch]

well u dont die u just go down

[glass thistle]

but ogryn can gain toughness like magic

[orchid nacelle]

it's still like, kind of silly

[stark edge]

Wat:
Vet
Ogryn (in a good group)
Psyker/zealot

[abstract sonnet]

I do love my ogryn, out of my 100 plus hours since the pre launch beta about 80 or so have been on my ogryn. I even have the block frame

[small hornet]

Finally got a half decent surge staff

[runic hornet]

recommended weapons for ogyrns in ogryn channel are almost always "grenade gauntlet or rumbler, both are very good"

[opal whale]

I luv me Ogry, Emprah knows -- but honest - U will always Perform best on your Comfort Pick - dosen´t matter what others say Sibling 🙂

[stark edge]

tbh all 4 can be fun, and have a niche, just if you really care then yea vet is defo a bit overtuned atm

[cyan notch]

yea cuz their other options are mid

[snow plover]

Vet/Zealot are the most straightfoward basic classes imo
Ogryn is the tank that can make your life very easy
Psyker is the most complex I'd say

[cyan notch]

here psyker's options are pretty good

[runic hornet]

if the rumbler is good enough to be consistently recommended, I don't get why trauma isn't, except for the "veterans using anything that isn't power sword" syndrome

[stark edge]

but find a class you find works for you and play it, I really dislike vet even if it is busted

[abstract sonnet]

We have 5 ranged weapons those two stubber (personnel favorite) kick back and like 6 versions of the ripper gun.

[glass thistle]

trauma area is so small compare to rumble

[stark edge]

As i said above, psyker has better options, thats basically it

[runic hornet]

It's not

I literally wrote down the numbers

[glass thistle]

rumble is like, fire into a room and free to rush

not damage

[cyan notch]

exactly trauma is competing with all the other good staves

[glass thistle]

also rumble have suppress effect

[valid lake]

i would also add that zealot/ vet have a better/ more fun feats then psyker or oygrn

[glass thistle]

and rumble dont need to charge

[stark edge]

Disagree on zealot there, i love mine but other than the heal talent they all feel so out of tune with the way it plays

[runic hornet]

Trauma: Epicentre 2.29m, blast radius 8.32m.
Rumbler: Epicentre 2.77m, blast radius 8.85m. Does way less damage than trauma
Frags: No listed stats but blast radius of "maybe 10 meters" eyeballed. Does even less damage than rumbler, and hugely so.
Voidstrike: Epicentre 1.32m, Blast radius 3.56m. It's tiny.
Voidstrike damage gets close to 500 and definitely breaks it with perks, but it basically needs near-direct hits.

[cyan notch]

the other ogryn weapons are pretty meh so rumbler doesnt have much competition

pretty obvious imo

[glass thistle]

you dont need to kill anything with rumble

also rumble is a instant shoot and forgot

[snow plover]

I'd say feats for all classes need a lot more variants. It feels like there is always only one or two "correct meta" paths

[runic hornet]

trauma epicenter is smaller but total blast not much smaller, and trauma one-shots trash which is very significant

[atomic karma]

psyker

[runic hornet]

Also it does real considerable damage to flak melee unlike rumbler which tickles it

[glass thistle]

rumble is never use to kill hordes

[runic hornet]

or well

it instakills flak melee lmao

[robust meteor]

i'd say one shotting trash is not significant because of the peril cost it takes to do that

[glass thistle]

rumble is for lock down gunners in a room

[orchid nacelle]

what is the range of the blast radius roll on the trauma staff

[stark edge]

Not even sure its a meta thing rn, some talents just make no sense - "I can have 4% power stacking 5 times basically for free, or be at 15% hp or less the entire run for an extra 15% power, hmm"

[runic hornet]

it instakills everything in a 2.3 pieplate, and it staggers the rest of hte room

[orchid nacelle]

every one i get feels pathetically tiny

[valid lake]

i murder hordes with rumble fire 2 and most hordes are gone

[orchid nacelle]

i wish the radious were like twice as big

[glass thistle]

rumble is a instant knock down

[robust meteor]

i've used it a bit and i also enjoy pie

[glass thistle]

why waste ammo when you can smash smash

[runic hornet]

on one mob with the bonk? then you wait several awkward seconds while reloading before the grenade explodes, the fuse is amusingly irregular, sometimtes it epxlodes in like 0.5 seconds and other time it can take 2+ seonds to explode

[robust meteor]

psykers consistently rank trauma in F tier. there's not much argument for it being a good choice

[glass thistle]

also rumble have so long range can kill a sniper over a room, trauma have a short range

[snow plover]

Perhaps the reasoning behind those will yet show up in future updates. We'll see. But I agree it feels a little "meh" most of the time.

[orchid nacelle]

i'm pretty sure a half-charged trauma staff can knock down any mob in the game

[valid lake]

because orgyn brain feel good with rumble not so much with smash( i havent found a melee weapon i like on orygn yet )

[runic hornet]

Between the waiting for explosion and the fact you will still need to reload it at some point, and preferably immediately if you have the space, trauma charging in 1.3 seconds and instantly striking when you click is preferable

[oak falcon]

Which one? I like the blast radius on the newer one, but the damage and charge rate is a lil lower

[glass thistle]

trauma's short max range kills the exp

[cyan notch]

i dont think its F tier but it can be pretty decent just that the other staves are better in more scenarios

[runic hornet]

psykers can BB for that, which I think is better than relying on rumbler direct hits to kill any special (you will need 2+ anyway, or you can just BB a gunner/trapper/bomber in 1)

[stark edge]

idk dude, its in V2 as well. And some talents barely even function - Psyker having peril purge not restrict movement sounds great, until you realise the force sword and all staves dont reduce movement whilst purging regardless

[orchid nacelle]

rumbler has vastly more consistent range coverage

[ebon jolt]

Left has better stats. Right has better blessing. Blessing is probably more important.

[orchid nacelle]

it isn't shackled to the psyker

[glass thistle]

a quick scope rumble to sniper always saves the team

[snow plover]

left

[runic hornet]

If his is about "I can shoot a rumbler into a ranged squad across the map" you shouldn't even be pulling from that distance on higher diffs if you can help it

[orchid nacelle]

but trauma staff hits like a fucking train

[valid lake]

i find FS is slightly impaired movment with quell

[runic hornet]

my man by the tim you line that up and the grenade flies that far you can BB
and we all know how slow BB is

[potent echo]

Pulling ranged enemies from across the map is kinda trolling

[glass thistle]

trauma only work if it have infinity range

[snow plover]

I think it depends on the stats of mobility no?

[runic hornet]

it's near full speed if you dodge slide, you do walk slower though

[orchid nacelle]

do you not use kinetic barrage

[robust meteor]

it should after its fixed, because it doesn't hit as hard as the description says

[stark edge]

I dont think it does, it just puts some weird filter over that makes it seem slower. Either way it defo doesnt slow enough to justify taking a talent to remove it

[glass thistle]

rumble have longer range than BB can target <---fact

[summer wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/988815066797338624/1053150274539229335/image.png

[potent echo]

Didn't they confirm that the numbers are bugged and the damage is intended

[summer wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879995062073843733/1053150719882051634/image.png

please

i beg you fatshark

p l e a s e

[stark edge]

Coming december 2024, its immeasurably complex

[runic hornet]

i have never had a problem BBing at very long ranges, even the jailhouse assination L-shape hallways, the one befor the stairway and the one after the elevator in the church

[glass thistle]

still choice void strke or a gun over trauma

[runic hornet]

If I can't BB because of nearby enemies, then I'm sure as hell not landing the grenade direct hit, either

[snow plover]

the complexity is unreal on the Re-Bless guys... it's a bunch of stuff that rerolls

[glass thistle]

but the fact is rumble have longer range, not you have difficulty or not

[stark edge]

A small bannister would like a word with your psychic powers

[robust meteor]

guess so

[runic hornet]

and at those ranges you just unsheathe your hands and brainburst, is wat I'm saying

[orchid nacelle]

i would really like to use Wrack and Ruin

the problem is that i feel like i cannot sacrifice the peril resistance

[runic hornet]

fair enough, BB fuckery with railings is eternal

[orchid nacelle]

it feels terrible to not have that

[stark edge]

What staff do you use?

if its not surge, you probably dont need it

[runic hornet]

if he needs peril res it's probably surge

[long wharf]

Wrack and Ruin ought to be any brain burst should cause a stack of soulblaze on a nearby target

[orchid nacelle]

yes

[stark edge]

Oh wait is wrack and ruin the soulblaze one?

[snow plover]

I would love it if BB worked with Vets infravision

[stark edge]

its a trap im afraid, 2 stacks wont kill anything 😦

[cyan notch]

why do u need it with surge

[orchid nacelle]

it synergises nicely with the other blaze perks

[stark edge]

Just makes spamming it easier, you dont need it as such but its the obvious choice really

[orchid nacelle]

although it's kinda niche

[glass thistle]

i mean, why use trauma when you have void strike, just 150 damage different and void trike work for infinity range too

[long wharf]

2 stacks would be nice if it were any BB use, not just an elite kill

[runic hornet]

why are you using those blaze perks on surge

[stark edge]

The whole blaze build, whilst cool, is unfortunately crap

[runic hornet]

(they're bad even on full purgatus build)

[orchid nacelle]

i'm not using the surge staff lol

but alright i get your point

[cyan notch]

no id rather have the force weapon boost

[runic hornet]

radius

[valid lake]

soon

[stark edge]

ahhhh, not a massive fan of that once since im not sure it actually crosses any break points, but it might be good for the force sword

[runic hornet]

voidstrike can penetrate and rip through hallways, but when horde is doing its "swarm" behavior and running left and right you need radius

[jaunty atlas]

wait a minit. the only warp damage in game in the BB no ? the staves are something else ?

[runic hornet]

staves benefit from that talent

[orchid nacelle]

staves are warp damage

[runic hornet]

It's why trauma can hit 450 on helmet dregs

[glass thistle]

you teammate is not here?

[orchid nacelle]

force weapons are also warp weapons

[runic hornet]

because it builds peril so high

[stark edge]

Staves, warp sword, BB

[cyan notch]

yea double force weapons might as well

[jaunty atlas]

so laceration no dot boost staves

that's sad

ty

[robust meteor]

special attack on force sword too

[stark edge]

The issue with the staves etc tho is that at high peril, using them is risky or a lot slower since you have to purge constantly

so it only really works for the force sword

[glass thistle]

void strike can cast so many time before over heat

[cyan notch]

not really imo youre usually at high peril on all staffs

[stark edge]

its exactly the same issue the pyromancer has in V2, you wanted high overheat but couldnt do anything at it bar slap things with sword

[orchid nacelle]

so what's everyone's favourite level 30 perk

i use kinetic barrage all the time

[runic hornet]

even voidstrike which goes to 0 perils on horde, you go to 100 when shooting enemy rifles or such

[jaunty atlas]

who said to himself : yeah, they'll take a talent that boost none of their class exclusives

[stark edge]

they all suck, only one really does anything so the one that buffs BB cast time

[leaden pier]

which one is the one that applies soulblaze

[runic hornet]

that's not an issue lol
You get something dank like 30-40% crit chance

[stark edge]

the others purge your stacks for benefits that arent worth it

[runic hornet]

which admittedly is massively more benefit than 15% damage

[magic hull]

has the cosmetic shop updated?

[leaden pier]

nah

[magic hull]

wtf

bruh

[stark edge]

Oh yea its great, but the class is clearly meant to be ranged focused but the best way to play it was to take the sword and just go ham at high overheat

[long wharf]

no, and it won't until they actually have new cosmetics to add to the shop

[magic hull]

7 days my ass smh

[summer wind]

which one?

[cyan notch]

you can spam level 3 bolts nonstop just venting

[long wharf]

they released the game with what they had, and then took the timer out when they realized that they had nothing to rotate

[leaden pier]

i mean the one at the weapons shop updated to show what cosmetic you've bought tho

[magic hull]

i go with the left one

warp resistance on the second one sucks

[lucid mortar]

lol I just realized that eventually the Refine Item cost goes to 0 mats...

how silly

[runic hornet]

Nah, pyro really is the hybrid between Battle Wizard and Unchained
BW wants to primarily cast and melee is secondary
Pyro runs up to 100 with good damage and talents buffing that ranged damage, and then goes ham with melee cirt chance while cooling
Unchained pretty much just wants to run up fire as an excuse to go into melee with max stacks

[stark edge]

The arrows from bolt staff? Why would you need the crit on those though, they 1 shot to the head anyway?

[stark edge]

Flame sword heavy spam says hello

[runic hornet]

flame sword infinite targets was a mistake

[magic hull]

7gb update, whats even new in here? im too lazy to read the notes lol

[stark edge]

possibly, but its only made good by the talent on BW. The otehr specs dont like it

[runic hornet]

(and in all seriousnes, beam staaff shotguns are still stronger for damage, although obviously not as sustainable)

[robust meteor]

you downloaded a map you can't play on

[cyan notch]

who says you need to crit im just saying you have a melee buff but you can very well still spam ranged

[stark edge]

new map (whenever they add it), new weapons, new bugs, slight balance changes that do nothing, surge staff now blinds you when you use it

[true torrent]

I hit 30 on my psyker today, what a waste

[valid lake]

dont bother 90% of the stuff in the notes didnt make it

[magic hull]

blinds?

like flashbang?

[runic hornet]

the point is you get infinite of them because you get THP with ult and then use that THP to aggressively vent
Before you run through the THP, your ult is back and you've been spamming max bolts the entire time

[summer wind]

time for the fun part

[stark edge]

thats one of my screenshots of it

its way worse in game

[runic hornet]

Unchained does have talents for ranged spam but it's not as high damage

[urban jungle]

Surge Staff doesn't just blind. For me anyways its also crashed my game consistently

[long wharf]

the surge staff now makes the psyker cosplay as a strobe light

[magic hull]

thas not too bad, its similar to BB

[runic hornet]

and crit headshot max bolts instakill CWs and absolutely mollywop bosses

[long wharf]

complete with a bad batch of rave drugs

[runic hornet]

it's not strictly overkill (though yes, it overkills literally everything else)

[magic hull]

what about purgatus? how is it now?

[summer wind]

good, like before

but good-er

[magic hull]

nice

[runic hornet]

no, you need to see it in motion

the whole screen wobbles and wiggles

[vital bough]

I heard the Purg got buffed but I haven't heard how?

[stark edge]

I swear they killed that build years ago with the super high temp hp thing, could be wrong tho. Just remember playing it and having sword be by far the most effective options and the ult just going wherever it wanted (other than where i aimed the damn thing)

[runic hornet]

and hte lightning is crackling at a million bright flashes a second

[summer wind]

it's better somehow i dunno

[magic hull]

drunk effect

[stark edge]

seems its direct damage is a bit higher, tho idk if its meant ot be

[cyan notch]

you can aim the ult pretty easily imo

[magic hull]

good time to invest in purgy

[summer wind]

i already have been

[misty shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-no-no-emote-emote-nooo-emote-gif-23071619

[stark edge]

its so much worse, it wobbles everywhere, flashes bright blue on your screen, and the lightning also covers half of it

[vital bough]

If it has more upfront damage, that's awesome. Probably makes it pretty good now.

[misty shadow]

100% Quell shit is so bad

[weak galleon]

it's a bug though

[magic hull]

welcome to the club

[misty shadow]

yeah but i jus wnt'd to play mi syka

[urban jungle]

Purgatus is Purgatus, its decent, not much more to say really. Its nice with Ascendant Blaze since you can consistently get a lot of warp charges from killing trash with it.

[weak galleon]

and yeah, I wouldn't mind having a different Mark Surge staff like that.
if it'd feel like you got some POWER. like, Lightning AoE or smth.

[magic hull]

that sucks, I wonder if they buffed trauma

[stark edge]

nope

[onyx sentinel]

Probably come back next week when it’s fixed

[magic hull]

🗿

[onyx sentinel]

Unless they let it “go through the nets” again

[magic hull]

trauma my beloved

[stark edge]

Its likely the surge thing will be fixed soon tho, it got sent to the devs by hedge pretty damn quick

[warm delta]

time to switch to Purgatus now, bye bye Surge

[stark edge]

since hte patch dropped most of this channel has been people complaining about it

[magic hull]

sheshhh

[runic hornet]

trauma bug will be fixed, the damage is the same and the table will be updated

[shut thorn]

trauma dmg is considered "proper" as it is

granted it was a very new dev saying it

[runic hornet]

yeah that's what i'm saying

damage is intended, and frankly the table numbers were actually ludicrous

like 700+ damage

[magic hull]

im too scared to consecrate mine

prob gonna get shitty blessings

[stark edge]

i only really played it for the all missions on legend thing, so didnt get that much experience. Just remember it constantly either removing a whole horde, or failing to kill 1 chaos warrior, Was inconsistant as fuck, and sometimes just entered space for no reason

[dense cloud]

no balls do it 😄

[weak galleon]

Why though, you'll be able to rebless later, apparently. And you already got Warp nexus nad +20% on Flak.

[magic hull]

🗿

[warm delta]

do it!

[humble skiff]

whats the difference between cooldown reduction and combat ability regeneration

[magic hull]

im about to commit heresy if it gets shit roll

[shut thorn]

Ngl you're reminding me of how fun VT2 was

[warm delta]

I really wants Warp Nexus myself

[weak galleon]

like, this is actual damn good purge that just needs to wait until all crafting is in, and then it's near perfect

[cyan notch]

if you hold f down itll show a red outline on whatever its targeting so its really ez to snipe a cw or special in the distance while fighting a horde

[drowsy fog]

well damn... moved the game to another hard drive and it launched 4 minutes faster

[shut thorn]

restating steam also helps

no idea why

[stark edge]

Oh i know, even with that it would usually only kill the highlighted enemy and nothing else. Felt kinda bad when the waywatcher basically had the same ult only it fucking worked 😄

[drowsy fog]

I tend to not use this hard drive as much cuz it has like 20% of the space as the other one

[magic hull]

how does crafting even works?

[cyan notch]

thats why u gamble with ult refund on crit and go crazy

[magic hull]

do you add extra perks + blessings?

and how does reroll works? does it just reroll everything

[shut thorn]

no you replace

[warm delta]

they let you rebless, just how you can reroll perk now

[shut thorn]

one speciic perk/blessing

rest get locked out

[magic hull]

nice

[stark edge]

You can also transfer blessings at some point

[shut thorn]

deflector might become ez to get once rebless is out

[weak galleon]

Right now you can refine one perk, while another one will be completely locked from further changes.
Refine cost reduces with each refine, down to 0.

[shut thorn]

but fatshark is delaying features

[magic hull]

is the crafting implemented this update yet?

[shut thorn]

🙃

intentionally

[cyan notch]

wait is blessing also gonna be one reroll only?

[shut thorn]

only one blessing is rerollable iirc

[stark edge]

havent heard the blessing thing being one only, but i wouldnt be surprised

[shut thorn]

other gets locked

[warm delta]

I hope not but mostly likely that's going to be the case

[cyan notch]

[magic hull]

I spent so much materials on weapons i barely use them on my curious smh

[shut thorn]

but hey atleast you only have to get one good blessing initially

[weak galleon]

in your case, both of your perks are actually decent (Maniacs is very specific... but everyone knows how dangerous mass Berserkers can be since Vermintide, at high difficulties, so there's that), so you can choose which one to give up for something else.
Then , Rebless will probably allow you to change 1 blessing too (just my speculation), and you already got Warp Nexus, so doesn't even matter what second blessing will be, will probably be able to change it in the future

[shut thorn]

only HALF the grind

[cyan notch]

ah yes more impact and agency from camping the shop

[drowsy fog]

shop had all sub 350 trash 🙃

[stark edge]

wdym grind, you mean waiting for the shop to refresh for 20 hours until a weapon higher than 320 base stats spawns?

[shut thorn]

(300hr and no good deflector sword besides a shit one)

[shut thorn]

waiting for deflector and slaughterer on a fs

[magic hull]

pain

[weak galleon]

what the actual fuck did I just read.
With THAT in mind they designed the goddamn shop? Or is shop is not part of crafting system, and we'll actually be able to "craft" ("buy") specific weapons we need?

[magic hull]

I have yet to find a 370+ FS

sadge

[cyan notch]

even better

[shut thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/space-engineers-fml-suicide-gif-7958116

[cyan notch]

strategy and goals of camping shop every hour

[weak galleon]

Repetitive actions are bad
A HUNDRED HOURS SPENT CHECKING THE SHOP.

uwot fatshark

[runic hornet]

yeah now instead of rerolling a trinket 20-30 times to get the stats you want

[shut thorn]

rookie numbers

[runic hornet]

you'll ned to check the shop 1000 times and you still won't get a deflector FS

because remember

[magic hull]

''just window shopping ''

[dense cloud]

what defelctor doe ?

[runic hornet]

the deflector blessing is rarer on blue weapons

[dense cloud]

block bullets?

[shut thorn]

w/ rebless I can spam runs to get enough resources until i get deflector

[magic hull]

ye

[weak galleon]

blocks ranged attacks, excluding snipers

[shut thorn]

yes

[magic hull]

i learnt that the hard way

[runic hornet]

FatsharkQuickpaw
If it helps, this blessing [deflector] is a bit rare and is harder to find on blue-rarity weapons (though it CAN show up). It has a slightly better chance to show up in higher rarity weapons.

[cyan notch]

haha guys its so that youll feel more hyped when one eventually drops xD

[runic hornet]

I need to find the link to this

[shut thorn]

The worse part is I only got deflectors on my force swords in closed beta

So this stings bad

[magic hull]

deFLEXtor

[runic hornet]

I'm using the one I got at level 20

never seen one in melkstore

[cyan notch]

WHERE ARE THE HIGHER RARITY WEAPONS THO SHOP AND NON EXSISTENT EMPEROR'S GIFTS DONT HAVE EM

[shut thorn]

meh

[cyan notch]

unless u just wait in melk

[runic hornet]

my friend has neve seen one period

[weak galleon]

I have 2 deflector FS's.
One is pure trash (19% first target), second one is decent enough, just slightly lower AS (~5%).
Hope I'll be able t o cut deflector from first item to somehow upgrade it on second, don't know what they have in mind

[runic hornet]

oh right

[magic hull]

ineed a level 370+ one pls trade

[tawny maple]

+4% what tho lmao

[runic hornet]

Emperor's gifts are capped to 20/week

per account

[magic hull]

bruh i act dont know lmao

[cyan notch]

do u have a source

[tawny maple]

Saw that post. Glad at least something is shared between your characters 🤡

[cyan notch]

do u have a link

[weak galleon]

I'd totally reroll one of Perks into Block Efficiency.

[grave zephyr]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-force-staff-needs-an-hotfix-vfx-revert-instantly/69243/2

[magic hull]

which one would u swap out

[tawny maple]

let me search

[weak galleon]

that is very hard to say.
Both +Elites and +trashmobs are good on FS, afaik.
Can go in blind, or can check for the breakpoints, somehow

[tawny maple]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zkb71e/i_recorded_the_outcomes_of_my_last_90_missions/

[shut thorn]

is there any ETA

[cyan notch]

ty

[shut thorn]

on rebless coming out

1 week?

1 month?

1 year?

1 decade?

[cyan notch]

1 soon™️

[warm delta]

in 2077

[shut thorn]

its

the easiest thing

to code for them

[celest oar]

dosent matter, plasteel nerf

[shut thorn]

and theyre just slowly trickling the features to maintain a playerbase

[celest oar]

you are never going to have enough plasteel now

[valid lake]

the emps says soon

[shut thorn]

fucking retarded

[tawny maple]

should be by the end of December. At least that was said somewhere by FS

[cyan notch]

wtf is this

[potent echo]

I need to show off my deflector4 one of these days

[shut thorn]

can the devs stop gatekeeping content to retain their jobs or do steam store shenanigans, thanks

[valid lake]

techheresy is an ai chat thing people create characters' on and it does ai things

[potent echo]

It's December, they are European, you know nobodies in office now

[cyan notch]

ok thats lame then

[vivid merlin]

can confirm most European companies have no work being done in December through first week of Jan

[shut thorn]

I'm pretty close to their office

[potent echo]

Take a peek for us

[vivid merlin]

Send them swedish donuts

[shut thorn]

nty

Gonna pass on paying pocket change to visit sweden

[night marten]

what does this mean?

[shut thorn]

no fucking idea

apparently gift

or smth

[potent echo]

Emperor is downbad

[shut thorn]

theres stuff on right side too

[prisma minnow]

so a peril explosion alone wont 1 shot a mauler?

[shut thorn]

still unexplained

[night marten]

[runic hornet]

fairly sure it's just window dressing

[prisma minnow]

in heresy

[burnt python]

its some kind of scale

it appears so anyways

[runic hornet]

a random graphic that looks cool and is randomly selected

[night marten]

hmm

[shut thorn]

what if it tells you the rarity of a gifft

[potent echo]

Oh did they finally change sideways bird to downarrow bird

[spark gale]

Should I buy :3c
https://i.gyazo.com/8f9a0b0fb70ffa32ec2526e5c5154c65.png

[kindred edge]

If it's a significant upgrade and you don't care too much about perfect stats, it'll be fine. Roll is a little low though.

[dense cloud]

i jsuty saw a run ai nd gun staf : O

[spark gale]

I have bad lucc with surge staffs. Dis my best surge atm
https://i.gyazo.com/fb20c31d98c5403ed1f4ed21796c8d78.png

Game only gibs me voids

[dense cloud]

this any good ?

sad i can t buy it

[spark gale]

no

run n gun useless on surge and low stat roll

[dense cloud]

hmm eprors gifts?

[jaunty atlas]

man i don't know why but when i play psyker i'm under the impression the whole pickup pool is slow in the head

[potent echo]

Pickup pool?

[robust meteor]

randos?

[jaunty atlas]

y

i guess it's due to our poor survivability

[compact cargo]

Skill issue, psyker can revive anyone anywhere

[night marten]

I did not receive an emperor's gift from the malice shown here

[compact cargo]

Even under plasma pistol fire

[night marten]

nothing else about the level seemed unusual

[potent echo]

Maybe emperor's gift is a hidden meter somewhere

[runic hornet]

emperor's gift is capped at 20/week so don't worry about it

[potent echo]

It's ranald's gift version 2

[runic hornet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zkb71e/i_recorded_the_outcomes_of_my_last_90_missions/

[potent echo]

Why

[cyan notch]

you do btw, its just less

[compact cargo]

Fatshark regressing

[robust meteor]

feelin tanky tho

[echo parrot]

I just cannot use the surge staff anymore

Hurts my eyes so much

Ive started relying on my vet for damnation now as a result

[potent echo]

I just got my 42% block efficiency FS build going yesterday, didn't have a chance to try it yet though

[empty granite]

Which one do you all prefer?

[potent echo]

Oh hey look at the pub near the end pushing instead of just panicking/afk

[cyan notch]

3

actually probably 2

[whole thunder]

can someone explain the red lock please

[potent echo]

You can't reroll the rest

[empty granite]

You can only re-roll ONE perk per item

[potent echo]

Oops

[robust meteor]

yessss i use 39% with my FS and it feels fantastic

[runic hornet]

2
quell speed, damage, warp res
crit is nice but not as important
Charge rate is mostly irrelevant

[whole thunder]

thats a shame

[shadow quail]

I heard surge got buffed?

[potent echo]

Buff for the heretics because now it blinds the psyker

[robust meteor]

crit is king for surge imo

[whole thunder]

so would i just want to naturally roll good stats the first 2 then reroll the last?

[shadow quail]

Is there a full list of the surge buffs

[robust meteor]

assuming the other stats aren't ass

[runic hornet]

I'd rather have 80% quell and 80% warp res before 80% crit bonus

[potent echo]

I don't think psyker got a single buff this patch

[runic hornet]

crit helps you kill scabs and flak elites which is nice but not vital

[lucid mortar]

TFW you gamba a transcendent FS with deflector

[cyan notch]

we can charge heavies with fs now :D

[potent echo]

Nice

[robust meteor]

without crit and last one standing, it just feels bad not killing anything

[potent echo]

Except the only application for that was slide tech which was gutted soooooo

[empty granite]

What? The Warp strike doesn't do anything different

[magic hull]

is this good?

[cyan notch]

i meant while sprinting

[runic hornet]

humble brag lmao

[magic hull]

except for the shit blessing

[runic hornet]

blessing is actually okay

[empty granite]

Pretty good lol

[jaunty atlas]

hmm. so you have one build and one weapon that permits to survive at the cost of having 0 dmg output

[runic hornet]

i think nexus is better than terrifying barrage

[jaunty atlas]

the play is good, the class is really not

[runic hornet]

I don't like FS on surge because I like being able to kill hordes

but hey, sometimes the clutch FS revive saves the team

an antax would not have made a difference there

[robust meteor]

yep. what i'm talking about to the other guy ties into this with surge. no crit on surge = not able to kill shit

[runic hornet]

flak melts regardless to surge

critting poxwalkers, twice of nothing is still nothing, use your sword

[robust meteor]

bb

spam m1 staff 10x maybe it dies

[empty granite]

The crit bonus damage range isn't amazing, so a lower crit bonus stat isn't as bad

[runic hornet]

lawnmower.avi

[potent echo]

It gives extra CRIT chance doesn't it?

[magic hull]

that one reaper walking past you at the end be like:
''nice floor, fresh air...hnmnm, yes''

[celest oar]

there is your horde killer FS

[empty granite]

Unless there's a typo, it doesn't state it outright

[runic hornet]

and my RSI

yeah, yeah, mouse macros, I know...

I tried to get AHK to point at darktide but something about it is eating the AHK inputs

[cyan notch]

it does press v

[potent echo]

Combine00 guides have crit rate for surge I think

[runic hornet]

need to troubleshoot it

[empty granite]

MELEE critical chance

[potent echo]

Xd

[cyan notch]

thats just a typo probs

what even is secondary action melee

[empty granite]

Probably, but it's funny

Charge attacks?

[magic hull]

heavy attack i think \

[compact cargo]

or could be real, the flamer used to do melee damage and be able to apply bleed

[empty granite]

Or special actions

[orchid nest]

ahk with darktide doesn't like a standard send for a lot of things, have to do a down press and an up

[runic hornet]

ffs

Yeah I remember that now

[robust meteor]

this thing is kind of neat https://www.macrocreator.com/

[cyan notch]

doesnt make sense

[uncut turret]

so any idea how to do pick n mix now with the psyker nerf?

[runic hornet]

what got nerfed about pick and mix

30-3, ult, hope there's enough targets and your team doesn't kill steal

[cyan notch]

the 100% peril bug

[magic hull]

i think its the aux attack (the same button you use to turn on the lasgun flaslight.)

[potent echo]

Isit a bug or intended

[magic hull]

pret sure its intended

[empty granite]

Bug

[runic kiln]

anyone know how to kill the sfx for surge staff? idk what they changed but im dying trying to play with it rn. motion sickness etc

[empty granite]

They acknowledged it

[cyan notch]

no thats special action

[magic hull]

pre-beta it was a thing alr

[potent echo]

Bugged because it should actually stop quelling for 10seconds instead of 5

[magic hull]

then prob block damage idk or heavy final attack of a string/ combo

it prefer keep 100% peril mechanic like it is tho

make psyker useful at something (kind of)

[cyan notch]

or the obvious answer its a mistake and its ranged

[potent echo]

It makes pick and mix kinda impossible though

[compact cargo]

If it was intended why is it activated consistently if u quell and sprint on the same time?

[magic hull]

idk

can u show me that tho

i want to abuse that bug

jk

[compact cargo]

It's like the old infinite lighting but with quell

[potent echo]

Sometimes I could quell if I swap to staff it's really weird

[magic hull]

how do u quell and sprint at the same time

[faint walrus]

I wake up and see that Psyker apparently got butchered in the update

tf happened

[empty granite]

A few bugs that kinda suck

[supple skiff]

Tech got nerfed, and now we have a quell bug

[empty granite]

Rather, one BB bug that sucks and another was a visual effects change to Surge staff that is really annoying

[lucid mortar]

the vfx on surge is unplayable for a lot of folks

depending on their tolerance for visual noise

[faint walrus]

I'm trying to test out the Surge rn

[empty granite]

I really wish FatShark would not focus on the .1% of top level players and tech exploits before balancing the damage numbers across classes and overall fun factor.

[lucid mortar]

yeah the weapon momentum slide was kinda fun

[faint walrus]

The glowing is cool but wtf my eyes fucking hurt

[long wharf]

even the strobe light is a bit much

[compact cargo]

What did they do this time?

[faint walrus]

Ngl the thing I loved most in VT2 was doing fun techs, I guess GG on that

[compact cargo]

Still got the funny ledge boost

[faint walrus]

I never learned how to do that but it's funny to look at kek

[cyan notch]

so where is this new mission

[empty granite]

I just mean in general. But they remove fun movement tech or other fun things that casual players won't care to do. The big changes that people are looking for have a larger impact like scaling BB damage or Feat reworks rather than edge case stuff that isn't breaking the game.

[lucid mortar]

delayed I think

[cyan notch]

[long wharf]

like everything else FatShark has promised

delayed or broken on release

[compact cargo]

Only exploit that fatshark has patched in the entire game is the unlimited lighting, everything else is there

[lucid mortar]

pretty much

[vital bough]

So you guys know Blazing Spirit, right?
Pretty shit, right?

I may know the only way to make it work. Force Sword(or other multi hit weapons like chainswords) + Purgatus Staff (Specifically with Warp Nexus for Crit)

Getting 1 crit and applying 2 stacks with my current FS gave an Ogryn Reaper 22 dps DoT, but getting an entire multi hit Force Sword charge on the reaper made it tick for 175 on the DoT for SoulBlaze.

Still probably not a great blessing to gear towards and this is definitely copium for my fucked up FS but y'know, cool to know.

[empty granite]

What do you mean by "multi hit"? Just attacking a lot with lights?

[potent echo]

But if you proc a crit on a special the target is most likely dead anyway kinda

[vital bough]

Force Sword has an Alt Attack that will charge it with the Warp, and if you light attack or heavy attack, it will do multiple ticks of damage and then a bigger burst of damage at the end of the animation. If the first hit of the FS charge is a crit, all of the damage ticks are a crit.

[lucid mortar]

If you have some extra mats, you can roll up to 20% block effiency, eventually the craft cost goes to 0 so you can just keep trying lol

[potent echo]

Also it's really bad vs crushers

[potent echo]

Kind of a pain to get honestly

[empty granite]

It does tick damage during the animation lock?

[potent echo]

If it's infinite they should just let us choose

[lucid mortar]

yeah it's kinda silly

[vital bough]

Yeah carapace specifically doesn't take much SB damage. Though the Scab Mauler still burns well since only his head is carapace.

[faint sigil]

hey i just got on, what was the psyker nerf im hearing about?

[potent echo]

Yea mauler uses flak

[vital bough]

Yes it's something around 3 to 4 hits total for the entire animation

[empty granite]

I spent like 10 minutes just hitting the damn re-roll button after it was free to get the max perk I wanted.

[lucid mortar]

Gamba'd this tonight, kind of a crap base but finally get to play around with deflector

[potent echo]

That's like really similar to mine

[lucid mortar]

but yeah took like 50 rolls to get the 20% block eff lol

[lapis valve]

i barely play psyker but what'd fatshark nerf

[compact cargo]

They put a bug to not allow you to quell

[runic hornet]

they nerfed eyes

[placid pike]

Any tips on Pick N' Mix Penance (well aware of current bug atm ) ?

-am using this atm-

[night marten]

just helped a random psyker get their solo monstrosity

[runic hornet]

surge staff now gives people motion sickness and epilepsy

[lucid mortar]

what a guy

[placid pike]

i felt this. yes

[night marten]

might as well use the peril resist for 10 feat

[potent echo]

Does private match still give you bots?

[vital bough]

it's an unintentional nerf, but basically trying to quell multiple times in a span of a few seconds locks you out of quelling for 5 or so seconds

[night marten]

and communion for another charge for more resist

[vital bough]

it's confirmed to be a bug tho

[night marten]

no idea, was just in a pug group

[potent echo]

Wow

[night marten]

slug spawned, guy was like "let me solo" and we just ran defense lol

[lapis valve]

my condolences to ya'll

[potent echo]

Chad pub team

[static epoch]

get 12% cooldown reduction and use kinetic barrage

it can make bb ok, since it's up all the time

[sharp flame]

anyone have a good way to get out with a bang done

[potent echo]

Shieldgryn friend
Take surge staff
Aggro 3 ragers with shieldgryn
Give them around 1-2 shocks (check in meatgrinder)
Explode
Profit

[sharp flame]

yeah I'm just stuck doing this in damnation because I find an empty malice lobby which is frustrating. Got 2 but couldnt get 3

[potent echo]

LFG is your friend

[empty granite]

Some preliminary testing and I only see 2 ticks of small damage then the large ending damage for both the light and heavy empowered attack

[sharp flame]

cool I'll try it. How are people linking the discord servers on the LFG pages?

[potent echo]

Right click copy link

[subtle linden]

so did they fix surge staff sprint cancel?

atleast they didnt fix double q tap cancel

[dense panther]

tier 2: better to use second talent for quell resist
tier 4: last talent for movement speed while bursting and quelling

focus on high intensity matches and hope you across a big room with gunners. something like hourglass works great

[jaunty moth]

my buddy just upraded to this but wont use it cause he hates shields lmao

[night marten]

odd, another ui-glitched weapon

[empty granite]

Yeah, 385 when the stats don't add to that

[night marten]

shields seem ok, but just running knife/gauntlet seemed more effective tbh (haven't tried the new wep yet)

[subtle linden]

my quell sucks but atleast i can slap armor targets

[shut thorn]

just switch to melee

[empty granite]

Lol just re-roll to get Quell on weakspot hit when that part of crafting comes out

[subtle linden]

does surge secondary hit weakspot?

or only primary fire

[boreal sun]

so what's wrong with pick n mix

[subtle linden]

brain burst can only 1 pop certain specials/elites in heresy+

so setting them up is kind of annoying

[boreal sun]

i thought there was some kind of bug.

[subtle linden]

but a shield ogryn helps a lot

dont think so

[boreal sun]

you can shoot ragers 1 time and then brainpop

will kill.

[compact cargo]

Just wish for a comp A dreg patrol with 6 heavy gunners or the shotunner variant

[empty granite]

The bug revolves around BBing twice in quick succession. You can't quell for 2 seconds after the second BB

At 100% peril, I mean

[vital bough]

Right so 3 for the entire animation.
So that should mean 6 stacks of SoulBlaze total but it's doing 160+ damage on the burn for me, which is much higher than the normal SoulBlaze burn on other stuff.

[compact cargo]

I did it on accident after they killed my random veteran because he decided to try and ps them

[vital bough]

Sorry for jank ass video I have to turn the quality down to make the file size fit

[boreal sun]

i think pick n mix is a bunch of dog doodoo

[empty granite]

So funny thing with soulblaze stacks that may have been added today, Crits apply 2x stacks per hit, so the crits on FS might be causing an application of 4 stacks per crit, meaning 12 total for a full empowered strike, which seems right for that damage

Same goes for the Purg staff. Crits apply double the burn stacks

[vital bough]

It's supposedly 10 stacks max for the Blessing on the sword though, so that's 10 stacks

[empty granite]

And there might be some damage scaling shenanigan's as well

[vital bough]

Still this is all interesting lol

[empty granite]

Ah, right.

[vital bough]

slowly trying to figure out how this shit works behind the scenes

[boreal sun]

what ever you do

do not make fun of ogryns in their channel

they can only count to 5

[empty granite]

Do they go silent as a channel if you put 6 into the text bar?

[worn jewel]

Why would you even do so? The brutes are far less abusive than Vets and Zealots

[subtle linden]

zealots want to send us off into the black ships :C

[empty granite]

Ogryns are the real heroes of the 40k universe

[worn jewel]

Goes to rescue captured Zealot
"HANDS OFF WITCH!"

Goes to rescue captured Ogryn (Which almost never happens)
"Thanks Sparky!"

[boreal sun]

i'd be a real hero if the aquilas shop refreshed

[worn jewel]

I know who im leaving behind lol

[boreal sun]

i mean realistically psykers would just

destroy every mission

if you want to be lore accurate

they stronk af

[worn jewel]

If we are discussing lore accuracy; you'd explode into gore at 100% peril or summon a plaguebearer right next to your squad

[potent echo]

The number of psykers on the mourningstar would probably also destroy the ship lol

[empty granite]

Not necessarily. There are "power levels" to psykers in the 40k universe

[vital bough]

So another funny thing, 10 stacks of SB on an 80% burn Purg staff with 78% damage still only burns for about 110 damage (at least with the left mouse button)

[worn jewel]

The 4 rejects would also be fucking dead. Since no way 4 randos can kill so many Nurglites

[vital bough]

So it's definitely doing more burn damage than normal with the Blazing Spirit blessing

[boreal sun]

free rerolls

[empty granite]

Which is why I said there's some weirdness with damage scaling on crit soulblaze stacks right now

More damage is happening for some reason

[teal needle]

Our rejects are demonstrably much stronger than a space marine squad 💪

[subtle linden]

if its free may as well go for perfect roll

[boreal sun]

im trying

but it's taking forever

[subtle linden]

ur looking for 5% crit?

or is it 6%

[potent echo]

1% be like

[empty granite]

5%, but I'm not sure you want crit on a non Blazing Spirit FS

[placid pike]

Anyone got a meme build that uses Kinetic Flayer + Lasgun? :))

[near wyvern]

The cost was like 37 something diamond and line 260 plasteel and after that the rolls are free

[empty granite]

Maybe the 10% damage to elites or Specials

[boreal sun]

looking for 20% block efficiency

[potent echo]

Or block effic

[worn jewel]

It was good in the earlier beta. Just use Accatran

[teal needle]

I gave purg another try with the buff today. It's still adequate, noticeably better, still not my jam

[potent echo]

Yea idk what kind of build you want just run those 2 and profit

[empty granite]

Do you REALLY need block eff with Kinetic Deflection picked?

[boreal sun]

i mean

[potent echo]

The more % you stack the better it is

[boreal sun]

the only other one I would want is extra stamina

[potent echo]

Like it's not linear

[placid pike]

any perks/blessing to aim for this one?

[worn jewel]

Problem with the Accatran Cerebral Lacerations + Flayer build is that you'll compete with Vets for ammo. The reality is while you do decent dmg, the Vets are far more worth the ammo than you.

[empty granite]

Are you really blocking THAT much to require such a large effective stamina pool?

[placid pike]

oh yeah defo. vets are priority in ammo econmy. Just a meme build. We're better of using staves

[teal needle]

It doesn't help that I don't have a deflector force sword. If I get one maybe I'll try purg again

[near wyvern]

132133 or 332133

First one has better on demand toughness regen but the latter might work better until they fix the bug

[boreal sun]

i use peril instead of stamina

i like running

[potent echo]

I never had a game where people ran out of ammo ever

[worn jewel]

Cerebral Lacerations + Kinetic Flayer is the core of the build. BB every 15 seconds that increases non-warp dmg by 15%

[boreal sun]

1->4 tier stamina is all jus +1

i don't think you can roll duplicate perks

[worn jewel]

Perks and blessings are up to ye. You can go for crit or go for more pen; all is decided by RNGesus anyways

[empty granite]

Is First Target being this low a bad thing considering the FS is an elite killer?

[boreal sun]

first target doesn't matter

[empty granite]

Really?

[boreal sun]

it does

but it doesn't

[empty granite]

Not on the empowered strike?

[boreal sun]

it's just damage to the next cleave person

[worn jewel]

First Target is nice to have but not essential

[boreal sun]

not the actual first target

[empty granite]

Well that's good to know then

[teal needle]

Keep that sword for God's sake

[potent echo]

You can check the breakpoints in the meat grinder but it's like ehhh

[worn jewel]

Anything 370 above is a goldmine lol

[potent echo]

But yes just keep it

[worn jewel]

RNGesus will rarely bless you with such glory

[boreal sun]

apparently the more rare blessings

are more likely to roll when it's legendary

[empty granite]

I was going to keep it anyway, but gonna get shit perks, lol

[worn jewel]

Dont jinx it

[empty granite]

I ain't worried about blessings. I've been collecting most of them for when we can combine

[empty granite]

I play Psyker. RNGesus shits on us for existing.

[boreal sun]

yeee got it

[worn jewel]

Pray to the God-Emperor now. Then flagellate yourself 4 times. Then consecrate.

[worn jewel]

Perfect screenshot. With mommy Hadron praising you

[boreal sun]

more importantly

PSYKER DRIP BEST DRIP

[empty granite]

The God-Emperor can suck the warp out of my left nut. I don't pray to that thing.

[worn jewel]

Shh don't let the inquisitors hear you

Or worse, the zealot channel

[empty granite]

They should listen to what I say in a mission (loner voice).

[worn jewel]

Lol. Loner is the psyker that would most certainly have been killed straight up if the game was lore accurate

[empty granite]

Yeah. He talks about the Imperial Truth, which is hilarious.

[boreal sun]

they need to make color variants for the penance cosmetics

[stark snow]

No first target is damage to the first target whether you cleave or not. I tested it, welcome to check yourself though

[worn jewel]

They will. I expect it to be in the Aquila store by the end of 2023

[empty granite]

That's what I thought. I had done some experimenting with that as well

[boreal sun]

the wording makes it sound like first target with multiple enemies

[stark snow]

First target increases the displayed damage with two swords of equal damage and with no other mods higher first target will hit harder on single target

[boreal sun]

therefor, it should not expect the special damage

effect*

[stark snow]

That’s what I assumed also until I tested

Didn’t check special tbh though just light attack

[robust meteor]

opinions on which perk to reroll? thinking it doesn't matter very much

[boreal sun]

it might.

see if you can one shot a maniac on heresy in psykanium

if not, reroll maniac

[robust meteor]

this is damnation only weapon

anything else is dueling sword

[empty granite]

Do you find yourself swinging at Trappers, Bulwarks, or Reapers much?

[boreal sun]

tbh i'd rather have extra damage to unarmored

[empty granite]

NO

[robust meteor]

nah dont use it hardly ever unless its to block or run

[vital bough]

First target at 80% gives a 30% damage bonus, has a 1.30x multiplier, can be nice but not great

[empty granite]

Why unarmored? Headshots?

[empty granite]

59% gives 1.24 compared to 78% 1.31, so not super significant

[vital bough]

Yeah not that essential either, most of my entire use of the FS is either Shoving, sometimes Shove-attacking, or Alt-Charging large damage and sometimes heavy crits on carapace and elites unites

So it's all single target or blocking, sometimes light attack spam on hordes

But I'd rather be using the staff on hordes anyways

[empty granite]

Anybody else curious why we get a different model of FS in the regular shop? I feel that it was going to be a different Mk of FS or a paid cosmetic.

[boreal sun]

hordes

[empty granite]

For FS?

[boreal sun]

i always use force sword

i have not used anything other than force sword

I have not even touched the dueling saber

[empty granite]

I'd urge you to try other weapons, but the FS is still good.

[boreal sun]

FS with deflector + special is the best all purpose weapon

[idle rain]

is there still no toggle skip intro button?
Damn and now you have to hold space to skip it

NVM

[tawny maple]

yes, it's surprisingly good when you get your moveset down and hit heads

[boreal sun]

fs 2nd light attack BLOWS

you have to aim above their head to even hit it

[empty granite]

Yeah, I think the damage vs elites is really good, but I don't want a specific type of elite because I'm always hitting them all

[boreal sun]

i want to see the 2 handed force sword

i will cry

[vital bough]

FS, Deflector, 45% Gunner Resist, Peril Blocking, 20% block efficiency, I've been slowly accumulating all the things I need to give gunners the middle finger

So far it's helped lol

[empty granite]

I mean, sure, but it isn't a Dueling Sword or Devil's Claw

[boreal sun]

I really want to see weapon specific blessings

[empty granite]

Boy do I have the site for you

[boreal sun]

like more weapon special charges on forcesword

or cleaving with special charge can hit multiple

trauma staff has one where it "double" cast it

[empty granite]

https://darkmass.gg/weapons

[tawny maple]

dueling sword also doesn't have single target stagger and damage though. Other weapons are fun and good but when I go into damnation I take FS. For both looks and efficiency

[vital bough]

Two Hand sword with SoulBlaze on hit after charge for 10 seconds or some shit

I'd love something like that

[boreal sun]

blazing spirit is a garbage blessing

[empty granite]

I have a working list of Force Weapons additions, but it's just another wishlist on the pile.

[vital bough]

Or some other types of melees other than swords with some kind of ranged attack almost like Saltzpyre's Saber-Pistol combo

[granite zephyr]

How useless is Psyker rn I heard they broke it

[empty granite]

Not true as of today

[boreal sun]

psyker isn't useless

[empty granite]

Not broken.

[subtle linden]

its fine for me

[boreal sun]

the problem is that if you're getting a critical hit

unless it's a special, they are dead already.

[tawny maple]

not useless but so far I've lost two runs purely bc of the venting bug

[granite zephyr]

What happens?

[empty granite]

Higher difficulties?

[boreal sun]

i haven't even touched damnation much because I am still trying to get pick n mix

[tawny maple]

1. couldn't vent and therefore was unable to hit the hound with voidstrike
2. was killing the horde when bug kicked in, but due to muscle memory I didn't realise what was going on and blew up 🤷‍♀️

I was the last player alive in both

[compact cargo]

Damnation has a patrol comp of 6 gunners or shotgunners and 4 rifles, perfect for it

[boreal sun]

maybe if I did not have any veterans in the squad

"ACTIVATING X Y Z GO FUCK MY SELF PROTOCOL"

then they die.

[compact cargo]

Play accatran recon las gun

waste ammo, steal theirs

Veteran issue dealt with

[boreal sun]

tbh

[compact cargo]

[boreal sun]

when solo lobbies come out

100% can do it

usually the first group you see is a high amount of specials

[compact cargo]

u can private lobbies atm if u got 1 friend

[boreal sun]

does it still spawn bots?

[compact cargo]

yes

[boreal sun]

yukl

[icy harbor]

Is the awful surge visual FX reported to the devs?

[cyan notch]

yes

[vital bough]

Possibly, but it's still got a good chance of being an additional source of Warp Charges through Ascendant Blaze if you're building into SoulBlaze. On Damnation with a solid heavy with some good luck, you could possibly get several to die to SoulBlaze at once.

I think the best way imo to build into SoulBlaze is if you try to get as many sources of Warp Charges at once, feed it into Kinetic Overload, grab Essence Harvest for 30% Toughness regen every charge, and sit in hordes with the Purg staff for a 10% chance for a charge every purg staff kill. Every charge builds into more damage on the same targets with Kinetic Overload and actually does surprising damage if you build Warp Charges fast enough, I know 12 charges (3 procs from 3 warp charges on Kinetic Overload) actually nets 153 burn a second if it hits the same target, and it's targeting is very friendly, has a large range and always selects the closest elite to you if it's available, so it tends to build on the same target.

It's all a fun little build in my opinion, the burn gives you warp, warp gives you burn, it kinda fuels into itself at a certain point in large hordes. So, maybe, theoretically, you could build a Blazing Spirit weapon like FS or ChainSwords into a build with a Warp Nexus Purg staff.

[cyan notch]

i think they are tuning those data interrogator sequences for solo play cuz hordes just keep spawning a solo guy is gonna have a hard time playing with his ipad while getting swarmed

[boreal sun]

i still think warp charges are just bad in general

[vital bough]

Still probably not a top class build but I still like the whole design behind it

yeah

[boreal sun]

and gameplay around it just sucks

i don't want anything to do with it

[static epoch]

But you can just walk to to the elite with almost any weapon and hit them, it will still be more damage than SB?

[boreal sun]

soulblaze probably ignores armor

[static epoch]

Add in the time you spent building it up..

[vital bough]

It's good against flak not carapace, tickles crusher ogryn's

[boreal sun]

yet trauma staff ignores armor period

kek

but not magical brain fire

[icy harbor]

That's a actually a really nice build. Works great for clearing out hordes. You focus on the main horde and the elites inside that horde will die pretty quickly. I would still play that way, if it wasn't for the awful range on the purge staff

[vital bough]

Yeah, but this is what I was bringing this up for though, you can actually crit more reliably with a Warp Nexus Purg staff, use a Blazing Spirit FS, and hit multiple times in one FS alt charge to apply at least 6 Soul Blaze stacks at once.
I'd like to preface this all with a statement though:
I'm not arguing for what is meta and what isn't, I'm simply experimenting and looking at numbers and how stuff works.

[vital bough]

Yeah with that kinda build you really struggle with gunners and ranged mobs in general, at least BB can reliably take out gunner elites and grenadiers while ducking behind cover though

[static epoch]

I have not yet felt like it was impactful enough - could be a me problem or just not doing it right.

Just messed around with max cooldown reduction and fast BB's, it was making runs without vet a whole lot easier.

[vital bough]

Yeah I'm just looking at weapons and testing out each new perk, and ideas on what might synergize as I run across it. So far, that seems like the best use, if not the only good use, of Blazing Spirit

[static epoch]

But then few games later, with a vet that had a bolter. Still same thing, BB's only help when you're getting hard pushes by heavy armor. And the occasional gunner.

[icy harbor]

Yes, if you had a good team you could tell the veteran to take care of those. But I assume, that most of us play with randoms

[vital bough]

Still would maybe swap it with a different blessing so I can use the FS with other staffs and not feel gimped out of a blessing though

[idle bay]

Left my negative review on steam to blow off some peril negative emotion about the game, communications, and state of psykers... Just an emotional discharge. Will probably make it positive after significant fixes.

[vital bough]

Understandable

[boreal sun]

if only fatshark was more transparent