psyker-class

[burnt python]

BUT, what if, the dmg is just a feature

[spark gale]

Bruh I will do the dance of your clown people when they fix it cause I'll use it 🤡

[hoary hearth]

And then pray to RNGesus for 5 gunners bunched up?

[shut thorn]

No it's been confirmed by a dev not to be

[burnt python]

false!

[teal cargo]

Trauma staff going from the joke staff to best staff now?

[burnt python]

(jokes, im aware its acknowledged)

[shut thorn]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/trauma-staff-doing-less-damage-than-indicated/66838/4

[shut thorn]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/trauma-staff-doing-less-damage-than-indicated/66838/4

[spark gale]

I like the idea of trauma but it's a piece of shit atm

[fathom ether]

Always was, always has been

[shut thorn]

Always was, always has been

[fathom ether]

It’s just a bigger basic attack that’s how I use it

[burnt python]

Im aware i was testing it w/ him when he made the bug report

[spark gale]

False

[burnt python]

there is still a chance its a UI bug and not an actual bug tho

they havent said much

[shut thorn]

It's not, I remember it in closed beta p well

[burnt python]

they made a lot of gameplay changes w/o the corresponding ui changes after beta

[shut thorn]

Also even w/o dmg trauma has a lot of utility

[teal cargo]

Whims of psykers are fickle indeed

[spark gale]

[burnt python]

ya i agree i run it on damn and do just fine

[magic burrow]

even if they fix the damage of the trauma staff it will still be a clunky to use weapon that practically requires the cant be interrupted when charging perk to even function

[burnt python]

ima teach you a secret don't tell anyone: back dodge into slide

[shut thorn]

The aiming is annoying initially but you can get used to it

[spark gale]

Business cat is correct

[fathom ether]

I use trauma cause I run mostly melee and it’s just a bigger basic attack at the end of the day so its used to help the thunks kills crowds while I head pop the important bozos

[spark gale]

Even with max charge trauma, you get interrupted sometimes

[shut thorn]

Notice how trauma staff enjoyers are all happy and calm while the rest of you are fighting over sticks

[burnt python]

that has nothing to do w/ trauma lol

[shut thorn]

smh...

[burnt python]

that is the same on all staves

[fathom ether]

Just get the feature that makes the next attack faster

[burnt python]

and is a skill issue

[spark gale]

False

[sick kindle]

Something has gone horribly, horribly wrong when current trauma staff does less damage than my DS

[shut thorn]

True

[sick kindle]

To carapace**

[spark gale]

I'm happy and calm

[burnt python]

shits bugged yo

@sick kindle

[shut thorn]

No you're emotionally drained from playing surge cc monkey

[spark gale]

Tbh I don't even play Darktide

[sick kindle]

Just gimme more magic spells

[burnt python]

false

[spark gale]

[shut thorn]

False sadly

[burnt python]

ty for the memes falsanari, back to work for a bit

[magic burrow]

inb4 they fixed the damage bug on the trauma staff by correcting the text instead of making it do the damage its supposed to

[shut thorn]

I want biomancy so I can make poxwalkers near vets explode

[fathom ether]

Does it matter if the staff is bugged though? People bounce when we use elevators, the main form of transport, play what’s fun

Just click head

[tacit fractal]

Gen chat is insane

[spark gale]

You are v violent

[night marten]

[spark gale]

[tacit fractal]

It’s entertaining

[shut thorn]

(I'm the messanger)

[tacit fractal]

KILL THE MESSENGER

[spark gale]

Careful he is so butthurt he will report you

[sick kindle]

I actually kinda wanna do a heresy with the trauma staff. There's something enticing about using something pitifully terrible and succeeding.

[shut thorn]

Lmao do it and you'll take back what you said

[spark gale]

I will do a 4 psyker trauma staff heresy run with you

[shut thorn]

Don't try to use it for dmg, use it to cc

[teal cargo]

I amof the opinion that Trauma is the meta staff now

[sick kindle]

A'ight bet, I'll record the whole run.

[teal cargo]

Idk if its good

[tacit fractal]

Aight, @lethal plover hit us up with yo Traumas

[teal cargo]

but the agreed upon best staff

[magic burrow]

they can easily make another psyker class by splitting up the current class into a brain burst class and a staff wielding class and flesh out both

[spark gale]

I need 3 trauma enjoyers to join me on a 4 psyker heresy run with trauma

[shut thorn]

most ppl like void because its the most fun to use

[night marten]

I am ready

[spark gale]

I'm boom mage

[shut thorn]

It's late so I'll pass for today

[teal cargo]

I like Surge and Purg cos they don need aiming 😎

[shut thorn]

☹️

[spark gale]

Yea that's what I thought

[tacit fractal]

If they did that it would be problematic since everyone is used to them being together and as since Psykinetics use staves aswell

[shut thorn]

I do wonder how they'll do classes

Since yknow, 4 slots

[onyx sentinel]

Did our force sword literally got what Zealots been asking for their Thunder Hammer? lmao

[spark gale]

This is what I use to cause trauma

[sick kindle]

Poor sons of bitches

[shut thorn]

not sure, we dont know if its actual aoe or vfx

or u mean the heavy sprint

[tacit fractal]

That is very like VERY mildly aggressive like you’re trying to be a tough guy but it gives out the vibe it’s just a facade

[night marten]

"explosion"

[ornate hamlet]

finally

[spark gale]

False

[shut thorn]

Nice!

[ornate hamlet]

our kingdom quickly fell apart after

[shut thorn]

P sure he saw that it's 12am where I am rn

[night marten]

doesn't matter

got pick n mix

[spark gale]

[fallen mortar]

Ok so we're all playing void now? Just trying to get caught up and want to be sure I'm doing this correctly.

[ornate hamlet]

factual

[teal cargo]

What do FS have?

[spark gale]

Void is best unless you play damnation yep

[night marten]

thank them for their sacrifice @ornate hamlet

[shut thorn]

surge for safety net, void for fun, trauma for fun, purg for uhm... idk

[magic burrow]

void for big boom

[teal cargo]

Purg is good at horde clear

[shut thorn]

purg looks cool ig

[sonic aspen]

purg for fire

[fallen mortar]

I'm just kidding, it's been a fun conversation to watch. I enjoy both.

[night marten]

listerine fire is cool

[onyx sentinel]

Literally better than Hammer lmao

[sonic aspen]

Purg to light up the lights out mission

[frank moat]

Purge looks funniest when you spin real fast

[fallen mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[teal cargo]

Wtf why doesnt hammer get this???

Stopped on first poxwalkers cool i guess

[shut thorn]

I hope its actual dmg instead of being some shit vfx

[spark gale]

I have used the hammer only on my preacher and it just feels like a shittier void staff. Then I see a sharpshooter come along and makes the void staff seem garbage. Sharpshooter is the main character of Darktide

[tacit fractal]

As a dude who chills with lot of people that get assumed to be criminals and can give out terrifying vibes that line is the book 1 page 1 do not say if you want to sound tough when you haven’t put out a line face to face you can see makes them flinch

[teal cargo]

have you noticed anything diff with FS special?

[night marten]

true, and it also happens to be the most effective way to use it considering there's no firing delay on multiple targets

[spark gale]

False

[shy crag]

Heya folks, is the warp battery penance still bugged? where it says malice but it actually wont complete unless you're in a heresy game?

[teal cargo]

wait what, how is there any similarity between Hammer and Void?

[shut thorn]

they're in darktide

[spark gale]

Both clear hordes

[onyx sentinel]

The patch isn’t out though, is it?

[tacit fractal]

Wait wtf?

[teal cargo]

Like they completely diff

[shut thorn]

no

[full patio]

void staff has a better melee attack

[shut thorn]

you'll have to move to east asia

[magic burrow]

maybe if you throw the hammer real hard

[shut thorn]

to play the patch

[spark gale]

False sadly

You talking about preacher hammer?

[shut thorn]

I've been trying to find a use for staff melee and genuinely cannot

[spark gale]

Memes

[teal cargo]

This is bait

[shut thorn]

I've noticed it can be charged up but it changes nothing

[magic burrow]

staff melee is for elevator shenanigans

[full patio]

have you used the hammer?

[hoary hearth]

Any advice or pray for luck?

[teal cargo]

Yea Zealot hammer

[brave vale]

Buff psyker

[night marten]

360 jump slide

[spark gale]

It's for style points. Sometimes I finish off an unarmored guy with it at the end of a bit horde

[ornate hamlet]

queue high intensity damnations because chances are youll get an empty lobby

[magic burrow]

360 jump slide into blow yourself up special

[spark gale]

Lol

[onyx sentinel]

The wording sounds like it’s damage but who knows it’s Fatshark 🤷‍♂️

[teal cargo]

Yes and the hammer melee is more useful than staff melee

[shut thorn]

5 dmg

[hoary hearth]

Or just wait a day for private lobbies i guess

[shut thorn]

take it or leave it

[ornate hamlet]

yeah that too, im impatient

[spark gale]

The hammer heavy attack dodge combo is a horde clearer. It can kill an elite if you power it but practically it never has time before the sharpshooter instagibs. It's a melee void staff

[frank moat]

Private lobbies won’t allow solo play though, right?

[shut thorn]

Yknow what would be hilarious? If pick and mix became easier tomorrow

[hoary hearth]

What's your feat set up?

[teal cargo]

Hammer deals significant dmg to bosses

[spark gale]

Not really

[tacit fractal]

2-4 strike team allows private ones

[teal cargo]

like way more tjan Void

[spark gale]

Nope

[hoary hearth]

I'd be completely fine with that, but they didn't say anything abut that

[onyx sentinel]

It’s kills like 1 poxwalker max on each heavy swing lmao

[ornate hamlet]

lowkey none of them really matter except the last one for it

[teal cargo]

Yes you mega bonk bosses with charge + Hammer

[spark gale]

Hammer does a lot of damage if charged and heavy attack but it's not as high DPS as a lasgun even

Also you can't block well while doing that

[teal cargo]

not comparing to lasgun but to void staff, shifting goalposts here

[spark gale]

Well las gun is better at single target dos than a void so it was shifting in your favor but ok

[hoary hearth]

do you oneshot anything besides gunners and squishier specials?

[shy crag]

Heya folks, is the "Warp Battery" penance for Psyker still bugged? Where it says malice in the penance description but it actually wont complete unless you're in a heresy game? (according to old reddit/website posts) This is the "maintain maximum warp charges for 300 seconds" penance.

[brave vale]

About to delete my psyker to make room for a 5th sharpshooter

[ornate hamlet]

gunners, bombers, snipers. i got lucky with my spawns, had 2 ogryns and 6 gunners.

[night marten]

I did it on malice

[spark gale]

Void is 300-560, hammer is 600, lasgun is 159. With DPS alone on a boss, hammer is worse. Armor pen does play a roll and that depends on the weapon but never enough to shift it from worst spot. It has satisfying high single hit damage but it's not as damaging as the others

[shy crag]

thanks

[shut thorn]

Reminds me of when in preorder beta ppl were trolling by saying that you can now view class stats in operator select by holding x (this deletes them)

[onyx sentinel]

I’ve never compared - how’s TH’s special attack damage compared to FS? It feels like they both kill Maulers and humanoid elites with the same number of hits

[teal cargo]

are you including Charge crit and 25%?

[spark gale]

Yes this is on a god hammer

[sonic aspen]

Wait until the ratling is out then delete it for that

[spark gale]

Trust me I've tested a lot cause hammer and void are my fave weapons

[tacit fractal]

Record a clip for us then

[spark gale]

Of what

[teal cargo]

Hammer should be doing more than 600 dmg after a charge heavy 🤔

Like thats about how much it is without charging

[shut thorn]

God FS will be so great

I can't wait

[tacit fractal]

It’s fun

[spark gale]

Send me a screen if a hammer damage layout with that

Hammers don't get up to that dmg

Hammers are bootleg void staffs

[shut thorn]

vet chat still complaining

amazing

[ornate hamlet]

what are vets gettin nerfed on

[shut thorn]

power sword now hits 10 enemies max instead of unlimited

this is what's making them freak out

[ornate hamlet]

?

[spark gale]

Vets need nerf to their sword and to their time to kill or everyone else needs a buff

[ornate hamlet]

is that a joke?

[peak jacinth]

I know that inquisition has melee force spears/staves in lore what are some other possible force melees for psyker?

[ornate hamlet]

oh noo 10 enemies max???

[shut thorn]

no

[ornate hamlet]

i wish my sword hit 10 enemies max

[shut thorn]

lmao exact words I used earlier

[teal cargo]

https://youtu.be/w2kIKkJWwyU

You can see one doing 1342 dmg at 41s in without a charge

[short scarab]

not nerfed enough

[spark gale]

That sword is ridiculous even with 10 enemies tbh

[ornate hamlet]

the poor ranged class cant hit an entire horde with 1 swipe now :(((

[spark gale]

You just sit there and watch them clean up better than you ever could on a preacher

[shut thorn]

smth abt bolter smth smth being bad now

idk i dont care

but plasma got buffed

[teal cargo]

When you charge bonk a boss it chunks their hp a ton

[shut thorn]

despite that vets are acting like revolver is now their only viable wep

[teal cargo]

Like Hammer does not need any buffs to single target dmg

[spark gale]

Looks like standard 200-300 swings to me

[teal cargo]

what it needs is not just getting blocked on first poxwalker and not have such high end lag

theres literally 1342 dmg popup?

[spark gale]

I don't see that

Take a pic

[crisp yacht]

worf buyin or nah?

[night marten]

eh

[spark gale]

Depends on how much money you have and what you have already

It's relative

[spark gale]

Ty

[onyx sentinel]

They improved the end lag

Seems like it still has shit clear though

[spark gale]

So to get this you gotta be melee range, charge, then spin up heavy, then hit in head. Void staff does the same dmg in less time and being ranged so

[shut thorn]

meh

[onyx sentinel]

And struggle to snipe elites inside hordes

[peak jacinth]

FS really trying hard to cater to the FPS general audience with making sharpshooter best class and all the other poorly implemented FPS ideas

[spark gale]

Also hits multiple enemies. Charged hammer hits 1

[teal cargo]

You need to hit the head too with void for like 500 dmg

And it would stop on elites anyways

[spark gale]

Yeah but the hammer will get stopped on an enemy nearby

Much easier to shoot a head than hit it

[teal cargo]

ok but its completely diff is the point

[shut thorn]

idc, vet is boring to play

[spark gale]

Nopes

[red pulsar]

Important question - which staff looks the coolest?

[teal cargo]

You comparing like ranged to melee

[spark gale]

It fulfills the same role

[teal cargo]

No it does not

[shut thorn]

void

[teal cargo]

this is like saying axe and Flamer fill the same role

[peak jacinth]

i like the ones with the aquila on top so void i think?

[spark gale]

I do appreciate the vid tho. My hammer gets like 180 less dmg than that on head hit

That wouldn't make ttk diff tho

[teal cargo]

It would cos if you charge you would easily one shot

[spark gale]

Nopes

[teal cargo]

what you mean nope? It almost killed that crusher in one jit

[spark gale]

What difficulty was that

[teal cargo]

and on crit + 25% extra dmg anf thats a one shot

Malice

[spark gale]

I did calcs a week ago and ah ok

Well malice is easy mode so idc about that

I'm talking about actual gameplay

[teal cargo]

Whats the hp scaling ot higher levels?

[spark gale]

Hang on I saved the values

[teal cargo]

and theres no need to be gatekeeping here

Malice is actual gameplay too

[spark gale]

Eh not in the sense where weapons really matter

When you can use whatever it's not a big deal

Das not what I'm bitching about

[teal cargo]

No but relatively some weapons would still be better than others at specific tasks regardless of difficulty

[spark gale]

Sure but does it really matter when you always win

[teal cargo]

its not like your lasgun suddenly becomes better than bolter at killing Bulwarks at lower difficulties

[spark gale]

Diff weapons are better or worse substantially depending on difficulty because the game uses HP

HP doesn't actually matter, only hits to kill and time to kill

[teal needle]

Psyker chat in a state rn

[teal cargo]

I feel like I need to do this too

[spark gale]

So if you have a 40% dmg void staff and a 80% damage one for example, you are not killing anything in fewer shots so it doesn't matter

Depending on difficulty ofc

[teal cargo]

it would depend on what targsy and how much you charge right?

[spark gale]

Yes

[teal cargo]

and left clicks vs rmb

[spark gale]

My point is that what matters is ttk and stk

[teal cargo]

I don believe theres never a case where the 80% staff doesnt get better ttk than 40%

[spark gale]

There is

Just not on damnation

[lucid mortar]

Entirely too much ttk in chat

[spark gale]

I ran the numbers on that

[teal cargo]

even like left clicking mobs?

[spark gale]

40% void staff is the threshold where damage doesn't matter for void on damnation

[teal cargo]

or partial chafges?

[spark gale]

You don't left click with void staff ever. The lowest charge projectile penetrates and has same peril cost with refund perk

[teal cargo]

Well if you dont have refund perk

[spark gale]

Then don't use void staff on damnation

[teal cargo]

But now that adds more qualifiers

[spark gale]

Yea

[teal cargo]

to the no difference between 40% and 80%

[burnt python]

lmao come back and this guy is still saying dumb shit like you never left click on void

[spark gale]

[teal cargo]

i havent used void enough

But like im not a void enjoyer

[spark gale]

Void is my fave

[lucid terrace]

Void is okay.

[spark gale]

Surge is best

[robust meteor]

just use void like this

[lucid terrace]

Trauma is the best staff.

[teal cargo]

So ill believe whatever on what specific attack is good or not

[spark gale]

False

[lucid terrace]

Trauma is the best staff.

It’s okay being wrong.

[lucid mortar]

Solid argument

[spark gale]

Demonstrably false

[raw breach]

False.

[lucid terrace]

Trauma is the best staff.

[burnt python]

true

taking kneecaps > not taking kneecaps

[spiral remnant]

ladies and gentlemen i present to you the inventory of my "psyker"

[spark gale]

Demonstrably false sadly

[spiral remnant]

there are still more golden guns

[teal cargo]

I find it very hard to believe theres no difference between 40 amd 80 dmg rolls on Void without a ton of qualifiers

[spiral remnant]

below that dont fit

[shut thorn]

2slo

[sick kindle]

Well I just did it. Heresy with Trauma and full psyker team with staves.

[lucid mortar]

Good counterpoint, you’ve hit the nail on the head imo

[sick kindle]

😂

[lucid terrace]

Told ya @spark gale

[spark gale]

There isn't but yeah don't use void on damnation with peril quel on headshot perk

[spiral remnant]

dear god what

[spark gale]

Do it on damnation now

[shut thorn]

howd it go

[burnt python]

ive run trauma on damn numerous times successfully, what point are you trying to make lol

[teal cargo]

Trauma meta staff now?

[teal cargo]

What breakpoints have you tested that led you to this conclusion?

[sick kindle]

There were a few 'This thing is very dumb and silly, I shall now do things that are not the trauma staff' moments.

[spark gale]

My point is that that's false

[lucid terrace]

Trauma is the best staff.

[shut thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[sick kindle]

But I did kill a beast of nurgle with it and that was funny

Majority damage with trauma on the boss

[spark gale]

Why do you traumatize the worm boy

[steady sentinel]

is the force swrod special thing good

[teal cargo]

What is the evidence that supports this conclusion?

[lucid terrace]

Trauma is the best staff baby.

[shut thorn]

it can one shot a lot of stuff w heavy atk

[sick kindle]

I'm not going to post the whole run but I do want to show just that clip.

[spark gale]

You won't do it on damnation tho

[teal cargo]

Apparently it has aoe dmg now 👀

[lucid mortar]

I will

[shut thorn]

wdym

most trauma enjoyers play on damn

its utility there is rlly good

[steady sentinel]

yeah they said larger blast, didnt know it had one in the first place

[spark gale]

4 trauma team on damnation

[teal cargo]

How do people even find Dam pubs lol

[shut thorn]

i mean its 4 psykers

ofc its gonna work

[shut thorn]

u dont

[spark gale]

Proof

[shut thorn]

go into primary slot, equip antax mk v

[steady sentinel]

which one is trauma is that the lightning one

[spark gale]

Prove it can be done. I require content

[shut thorn]

no its the shit aiming mechanic one

[teal cargo]

There were Cata pubs in VT2

[sick kindle]

I think you misunderstood. I just pugged a random heresy. We were all psykers. One had surge. One purgatus. One a gun psyker build.

[steady sentinel]

got it

[shut thorn]

aw

[spark gale]

Yea no one cares bout dat

[lucid mortar]

Carried by gun psyker

[shut thorn]

False

[loud mist]

Is there any playable build atm or is it more enjoyable to play something else instead ?

[frank moat]

Gun Psyker is the real heresy here

[sick kindle]

It just amuses me that out of all of the builds the trauma staff did majority damage on boss.

[shut thorn]

There are many, whats your psyker lvl

[burnt python]

now imagine it gets its dmg fixed

[teal cargo]

well Surge def not winning in boss dmg lol

Like what are you even doing

[steady sentinel]

what do yall use for level 5 feat

[loud mist]

@shut thorn Im rounded with psyker , and also tired

[burnt python]

altho i'm p sure theres 0 reason to use any staff on boss over barrage bb

[ebon sedge]

Deflect sword + void staff with peril on crit

[teal cargo]

Im using Antax + Surge

[loud mist]

And don't talk about the electric shit staff or im gonna puke

[sick kindle]

Fun. You mean to tell me you don't style all over heretics using crappy weapons?

[shut thorn]

kinetic deflect, quietude or wtv its spelled, rest do whatever, run antax mk v and whatever else

[burnt python]

o i sure do

[teal needle]

If they fix damage on trauma to be good enough to actually blow up elites on real difficulty I'll probably give it an honest try

[shut thorn]

Try the new machinegun staff

[burnt python]

i took a claw sword into damnation yesterday that was an interesting experience

i think i counted 18 hits on the same mauler before i gave up

[loud mist]

i played this staff for so long. But i feel like it's not enough compared to others class

[shut thorn]

The damnation build weapon :D

[shut thorn]

You just sound burned out from doing the same thing ngl

[lucid mortar]

It takes 7 bb to kill a mauler on tarnation

[sick kindle]

Just pick up a different staff. Purposely handicapping yourself will make you a better player. You'll learn to improvise and think on your feet more quickly.

[steady sentinel]

7?

what da freak

[loud mist]

@shut thorn If it was even fun i wouldnt be bored. I played V2 for so long without getting bored by a class

[sick kindle]

Plus. You paid for a whole game, might as well use all the weapons. 👀

[shut thorn]

the trauma cartel infection is at 60%

[burnt python]

best weapon in the game

[shut thorn]

if you dont like psyker, youve got 4 more slots for other classes

i doubt thats gonna fix ur issue

[full patio]

keeping it purple, name checks out

[shut thorn]

theres 0 incentive to play

[loud mist]

I love psyker , but nothing seems working

[onyx sentinel]

I just realized, they didn’t touch Trauma staff at all lmao

[shut thorn]

theres no mission end score board

[manic needle]

People who do well with the Trauma staff on higher difficulties are just built different

[shut thorn]

theres no reason to carry grims

[burnt python]

where the plasteel at tho

[lucid terrace]

They should make a staff that causes the game to crash and delete System32

[shut thorn]

we had that

pre release purg

[lucid terrace]

Sounds fun.

[shut thorn]

also it fucked up windows installs

via the nvidia driver stuff

[sick kindle]

Kernel access system staff. 👀

[manic needle]

Early this morning I got put into 2 games in a row with a good Trauma staff user who dressed in prison garb at level 30. Absolute Chad.

[sick kindle]

0 level access. Overheating just wipes your OS

[full patio]

sounds good. Stops people from picking bad staffs by crashing their game

[loud mist]

Sounds like more like a virus than a game

[shut thorn]

it didnt crash the user

[finite gazelle]

Literally had to system restore. Fun times.

[shut thorn]

it crashed the person the purg enjoyer was spraying flames into the face of

[shut thorn]

"Memory management"
"Store exception"
"0xc000007b"
"0xc000021a"

Fun

[finite gazelle]

[sinful stream]

Big rip. Barely any psyker balances

[spark gale]

@teal cargo took me a min but I found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z7vxbi/psykers_bb_and_charges_the_numbers_tell_you_that/

[burnt python]

this chart is wrong

[shut thorn]

My windows got so corrupted I couldn't even restore, cmd was even broke

[spark gale]

False

[night marten]

or soulblaze, feats, warp charges, etc

[shut thorn]

Ended up installing windows on a new drive

[loud mist]

good shit

[burnt python]

the chart is wrong do not rely on it

[finite gazelle]

Top tier deving

[spark gale]

What I was talking about is the neemy health values

The health values are right

The BB counts are correct, but the exact values are a lil off cause of his math. Doesn't effectively matter hto

[burnt python]

the bb counts are not correct

[covert cosmos]

so its wrong and right?

[spark gale]

False

[raw otter]

new special for the force sword sigh

wonder if it will be a nerf or buff 🤔

[covert cosmos]

anyways as a bb enjoyer, i have not noticed warp charges changing much for bb

[spark gale]

go test yourself then post a vid as proof

you won't cause it's right

[teal cargo]

Its wrong

[shut thorn]

it wasn't darktide's fault entirely

[burnt python]

i have tested myself as have others

[spark gale]

Then post the vid

[burnt python]

go try it urself pleb

[spark gale]

Burden of proof lay on the claim

[shut thorn]

its just that darktide used enough resources that an exploit with drivers was possible

tl'dr ur pc got pwned

[loud mist]

Rate my shit , would be intrested to see what you guys think about

[shut thorn]

by someone else

[burnt python]

you are welcome to follow the incorrect information without confirming it yourself

i have no need to prove it to you lol

[finite gazelle]

Thats literally darktides fault though

[summer surge]

trauma staff been fun on these higher difficulties ngl

[raw otter]

Force Sword weapon special now creates a larger blast on damaging and killing heretics.

[spark gale]

Then you concede it's correct sadly

[shut thorn]

warzone managed it on some ppl too, but ya its mostly darktide

it didnt help that the launcher is like

UPDATE UR DRIVERS NOW

[spark gale]

I'm open to being proven wrong but you gotta do just that. Prove it

[shut thorn]

[teal needle]

You didn't post any shit you just posted a screenshot of your feats, you might have uploaded the wrong image

[finite gazelle]

Didn't know it was possible on warzone ngl

[teal cargo]

Althouvh wait it do look right

[shut thorn]

nvidia drivers between like nov 10 or smth to dec 1 were compromised

v cool

[wanton cove]

he might mean build

[spice oar]

force sword buff nice, other than that we gotta wait

[wanton cove]

like rate his build

[spark gale]

Which we both know you won't do @burnt python

[shut thorn]

guys can we stop arguing abt staves

jesus christ

[wanton cove]

but postin the weapon he uses would have been good with that xD

[spark gale]

purg staff is best staff

[finite gazelle]

Yeah I managed to reboot but my drivers were just not working, didn’t recognise my card until a sr'd

[spice oar]

we must quell the rage from FS

[shut thorn]

it's the perfect opportunity to make fun of vets and instead we're arguing about dumbass sticks that even the devs dont care abt

[spark gale]

False

[full patio]

but this is why I come to this chat

[shut thorn]

[spice oar]

this chat is literally staff warfare tho surge gang where yall at

[teal needle]

Tired: best staff, wired: favorite mixed drink

[teal cargo]

At 2565 hp then you would pretty cleanly 2 shot with TH special on Damnation

[shut thorn]

Might wanna back up stuff btw, apparently a lot of ppl's boot drives got damaged by it

[teal needle]

The correct answer is a wel balanced sour w egg white

[teal cargo]

Maybe 1 shot depending how much increase is a crit

[spark gale]

good now calculate how much you need at minimum to 2 hsot and you will almost be to the area of enlightenment

[shut thorn]

surge staff enjoyer got banned i think

:/

[spice oar]

good he was an arse

[teal needle]

Most level headed surge enjoyer

[teal cargo]

what you mean how much you need 👀

[spark gale]

I hate it when people get banned

[shut thorn]

might not be talking abt same guy

[night marten]

lole, how toxic was he being to get banned

[spice oar]

https://tenor.com/view/beaker-electrocuted-ahhh-gif-9589484

[full patio]

sad, I liked reading surge staff insane opinions

[shut thorn]

Haven't seen him post for like 12 days

[manic needle]

Sith Lords usually are a bit unstable

[spark gale]

What

[raw breach]

No. That is the entire purpose of this channel, for us to argue about which staff is the best and do math about it forever.

[shut thorn]

False

[teal cargo]

ima surge staff enjoyer

But who was banned?

[covert cosmos]

who got owned

[frank moat]

Since all the staff skins are interchangeable, what’s the nicest looking?

[subtle linden]

https://i.gyazo.com/8761b2d548f70d92e4bb5e47fafbbebc.mp4

[teal cargo]

😆

[finite gazelle]

Yeah way ahead of you on that. Whenever something like that happens I go full schizo backing everything up

[loud mist]

And also a DS enjoyer i guess

[subtle linden]

surge enjoyer

[spark gale]

Surge staff is the best staff, mathematically and practically. There is no denying that. But, the question is which staff causes the least harm to the team while also being enjoyable to use, as surge staff is not.

[shut thorn]

not sure if banned, just he's vanished, can't even search for his posts

[teal cargo]

maybe jus left 🤔

[sick kindle]

Yeah well I hate math.

[teal cargo]

But who were they might recogonize user name

[shut thorn]

Trauma stafff

[spark gale]

Then you will never be a master psyker

[analog juniper]

DarkSouls?
DeathStranding?
DemonSouls?
Nintendo DS?

[shut thorn]

profile was a black guy with a gigabrain and a lot of lightning

[full patio]

but the surge staff causes the most harm to the team as well as being the most boring one

[teal cargo]

Oh

[spark gale]

Right so it's last place obv

[loud mist]

dark souls , i would maybe say the samurai one

[spark gale]

So it's really about if void or purg is better

[shut thorn]

yeah sorry I dont remember the numbers, just his name was surgestaff gigachad or smth

[teal needle]

Wondering which insane psyker chat user it was there were like 3 insane regulars that went here for a week+. Was it the one with the cartoon pfp with the blonde mullet looking guy

[full patio]

obviously, anything is better

[manic needle]

Surge staff is good, I just wish it was a bit more fun to play. Id sacrifice the ability to target enemies from behind cover and have more of a charge-up requirement for the stun if it gained me better target prioritization.

[burnt python]

here is 1 example showing both the hp and bb numbers in the chart are wrong, feel free to test further for yourself

[spark gale]

1. Surge
2. ?
3. ?
4. Trauma

It's the middle ground between fun and actually useful that is contested

[spark gale]

nah I know it is I just wanted to pride bait you

[shut thorn]

They can fix it by making the enemies pop or smth instead of falling over like crispy chicken

[raw breach]

I saw a ton of comments earlier when I was getting caught up where people were replying to messages that were no longer there

[full patio]

this is the insane rambling I'm talking about

[teal cargo]

Man why are you trolling so much?

[loud mist]

Feels like talking about psyker builds are endless

[burnt python]

lmao idk why i didnt block him sooner

[sick kindle]

https://streamable.com/6miqsi Uploaded.

[spark gale]

I forgot what he said but it was something like "I can safely ignore your opinions now" so felt fun to waste his time lols

[shut thorn]

I too like LOC_SG_ENTER_SG

[burnt python]

my fav map tbh

[sick kindle]

But where's the string? My beloved needs string.

[raw breach]

That was so long ago though

[robust meteor]

since ahk is allowed, guess i'll make a rapid fire voidstaff script

nothing else to do

[shut thorn]

why do you need one

[spark gale]

tru. I actally have a photographic memory

[loud mist]

I think it's faster to bb the boss with the 3rd last talent

[lucid mortar]

The string is sitting in the JIRA ticket queue of the non-existent QA tester

[full patio]

turn a void staff into a surge staff fun wise ofc

[shut thorn]

My hand is fucked and I can still do it properly on void

Idgi

If it was the qq click stuff, ye ig

[sick kindle]

Bruh if I'm using a trauma staff and post a clip, you can probably assume I'm fuckin' around and certainly not meta slaving.

[spark gale]

Trauma is # 4

[sick kindle]

When the Devs specifically say the weapon output is half of what it should be

[loud mist]

There is no meta

[lucid mortar]

I only use the most bespoke staves

[full patio]

there is a thing called laziness

[spark gale]

The best staff is also the most lazy staff

[shut thorn]

Wdym there quite literally is

[teal needle]

Wish my only good staff wasn't surge

[spark gale]

nice staff

[burnt python]

jus tput trauma skin on it ez

[loud mist]

prove it

[full patio]

discard it

[shut thorn]

Antax/fs deflector lmao

[teal cargo]

Trauma is meta!

according to this channel now

[uncut hamlet]

Warp flurry is good, save for the blessing and take it later wtf

[shut thorn]

Always has been

[spark gale]

S: Surge
A: Void, Purg
D: Trauma

[teal needle]

Trauma meta is so yesterday, hip psykers are on about auto pistol now

[loud mist]

what is supposed to be fs def ?

[shut thorn]

Wrong

[teal needle]

False

[shut thorn]

force sword deflector

[robust meteor]

i would put purge at B

[shut thorn]

Incorrect

[uncut hamlet]

"Force Sword weapon special now creates a larger blast on damaging and killing heretics." anyone test this yet?

[spark gale]

why

[teal needle]

Fact checked

[teal cargo]

patch tom

[shut thorn]

Fact unchecked

[teal cargo]

cos technical problems

[loud mist]

and what about the scndary ?

[analog juniper]

not in yet

[robust meteor]

its limited situational usefulness

[teal cargo]

Their server hamster grew tired

[shut thorn]

depends ngl

[spark gale]

tru

it can't fire long range

S: Surge
A: Void
B: Purg
D: Trauma

[burnt python]

goddamn dude is goin hard

[loud mist]

So it's not a meta, it's more like a hybrid build

[lucid mortar]

C: Cookies

[uncut hamlet]

Unfortunate

[spark gale]

[shut thorn]

If you want to play meta, enjoy losing braincells by playing surge

[spark gale]

Has anyone had good results not using a staff for real?

[teal cargo]

Surge is fun

[uncut hamlet]

Purge and surge are the most fun to me ngl

[covert cosmos]

if you want to play meta just make a veteran

[uncut hamlet]

I'd be down to use trauma once it's buffed too

[loud mist]

Can't even if you have 3 sharpshooter

[uncut hamlet]

The effects and feeling of it are good

[robust meteor]

surge is nice for us adhd types that always need something to be doing

[shut thorn]

???

[spark gale]

If you have 3 sharpshooter then you cant' really do anything tbh

[analog juniper]

if you are a Psyker not using a staff, then just play veteran

[austere burrow]

Purg is pretty fun

[spark gale]

I agree which is why I ask

[frank moat]

Tempted to try running an autogun

[austere burrow]

But I feel the power gap heavy

[frank moat]

It’s clearly what Fat Shark intended

[spark gale]

Curious if anyone has actually made that work

[shut thorn]

Yeah I got some nice rolls from armory while not using a staff, afking

[austere burrow]

There's nothing stopping you from running guns

[analog juniper]

it works but feels like a low tier veteran

[spark gale]

my pride

[steel vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-non-linear-gif-27023528

[sick kindle]

I mean I could play veteran. But the MG XII keeps giving me bedroom eyes. If you had a good roll, you'd be using it too.

[spark gale]

Everything is a low tier veteran tho

[steel vortex]

is this a certified psyker moment

[lucid mortar]

Is there even a single synergy that’s gun-specific?

[loud mist]

Being an heretics is the same

[frank moat]

yeah but mage with a gun looks sick

[shut thorn]

lvl 1

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[austere burrow]

It's just kinda not fun playing psyker just to be veteran 2 for me lol

[loud mist]

vet -1

[shut thorn]

I've been enjoying surge rush runs but

[austere burrow]

True

[uncut hamlet]

Apparently there was a guy who was doing 20 min damn runs with gun axe psyker

[shut thorn]

That's p much throwing ur team under the bus

[spark gale]

I bet he had at least 2 vets on the team

[austere burrow]

I don't think it's trolling to pick guns

[uncut hamlet]

I know he had a zealot and at least one vet

[full patio]

it's trolling to pick a psyker

[shut thorn]

no

[loud mist]

Is playing kerrilian with a gun is trolling ? same shit

[sick kindle]

Found the spy.

[teal needle]

Gun psyker = gunker

[austere burrow]

You kinda right

[spark gale]

Heresy detected

[analog juniper]

Gun psyker = Heretic

[shut thorn]

psyker = heretic

[teal cargo]

Psyker is Sienna, not Kerillian

[sick kindle]

You are just jealous you don't have my gun staff.

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-no-no-40k-gif-24271093

[spark gale]

I want a gun staff

[teal needle]

Veteran is kerilian

[loud mist]

no shit

[shut thorn]

sugmar.........

[subtle linden]

are we sanctioned psykers or heretics

[shut thorn]

supposedly we were sanctioned

[teal cargo]

Veteran is BH

[spark gale]

I think we are technically prisoners or something

[loud mist]

we just live to feed the emperor

[teal cargo]

so Saltz

[frank moat]

sanctioned heretics

[subtle linden]

1k psykers = bed time meal for emperor

[austere burrow]

Like guns are better than any staff at quickly killing something far away

[shut thorn]

who cares

psyker is cool

[loud mist]

It is

But it sucks

[teal cargo]

i guess Zealot also Saltz

[shut thorn]

no

[sick kindle]

Psyker is a class that absolutely follows the rule of cool. Lameness need not apply.

[austere burrow]

Psyker is fine imo

Not weak

[loud mist]

I don't agree

[shut thorn]

my fastest damnation run was w 4 psykers

[spark gale]

Psyker is the weakest class but also the most fun and that speaks to the overall good balance of the game because the difference between it and preacher and ogryn isn't that big. Only Sharpshooter is out of line with the other classes

[subtle linden]

mine was 3 vet 1 psyker and it wouldve been faster if i the psyker was a vet

[uncut hamlet]

At 30 we become official members of the warband and get an inquisitorial rosette, so I'd say by then we're sanctioned

[shut thorn]

psykers aren't bad, it's just ppl don't really know how to play around psyker or the psyker themselves doesn't know that they can use "features"

[loud mist]

doom stack be like

[shut thorn]

psyker w/o staff tech tho

is kinda shit lmao

[glacial abyss]

ong.

[covert cosmos]

cant cc the horde with surge staff?

just bring 4 surge staves

[spark gale]

lol

[shut thorn]

p much lol

[sinful stream]

Problem solved

[covert cosmos]

what can chaos even do

[austere burrow]

Just bring an antax

[glacial abyss]

everyone who actually thinks psyker is bad has brain rot

[austere burrow]

Horde not a problem anymore

[loud mist]

so it's 20 enemy hit "potential"

[spark gale]

realistically tho have hordes ever been a problem

[uncut hamlet]

BB is shit warp charges work best when ignored

[sick kindle]

Skill issue.

[sinful stream]

Certain talents need work but they are in no way a bad class like unusable

[covert cosmos]

hordes are a problem if the game also spawns a pack of shotgunners behind you

[glacial abyss]

true its a skill issue for people to think psyker is bad

[sinful stream]

Yeah this is what I'm talking about needs fixing

[covert cosmos]

and you don't have a flamethrower or something to delete them

[shut thorn]

not rlly lmao

just antax

[spark gale]

Yeah it's not bad. It's simply the weakest, but not that weak compared to the others

[loud mist]

dosnt apply full damage and just only stagger 5 enemy , trapped

[glacial abyss]

all bad psykers act like psyker is bad its simple as

[teal needle]

Psyker isn't bad but there's def a few things I'd like changed about how they play and what specifically they are good at

[austere burrow]

[glacial abyss]

psyker is literally so strong u can solo like a crackhead

[loud mist]

Yes

[robust meteor]

did anyone try getting gud yet?

[covert cosmos]

honestly outside of high intensity i could prob live without good horde clear

[sick kindle]

"Its not me. I'm good and can't be bad. So it's the class that must be bad" Something something a poor craftsman blames his tools. Mentality as old as time.

[loud mist]

go ahead show me the path

[glacial abyss]

very true

[shut thorn]

Ngl blaming ur tools is valid

😎

[covert cosmos]

is psyker the crackhead solo or zealot?

[spark gale]

S: Sharpshooter
B: Ogryn, Zealot
C: Psyker

It's not like it's D or F tier but it's noticeably weaker than the B tiers. And well Sharpshooter is just the main character of Darktide atm

[austere burrow]

Psykers be like 'the class is fine just ignore its signature move'

[glacial abyss]

i use a surge staff with huge crit and the thing that procs brain burst + coherence brain burst so i have like max warp charges all the time till i ult and then do it again

[full patio]

try again

[shut thorn]

BB is utility

[burnt python]

anyone wanna run quad trauma damnation

[uncut hamlet]

So the best way to BB and gain warp charges is to make up for class design deficiencies using feats, and ignoring the built in abilities completely

[glacial abyss]

i never actually use brain burst (the grenade) i just use surge staff

[covert cosmos]

i would go sharpshooter>zealot>psyker>ogryn

[spark gale]

prove me wrong

[leaden pier]

i mostly use brain burst to pick something like a burster or whatever is coming around the corner

[teal needle]

Unironically only way to enjoy the class rn

[sick kindle]

Boy do I ever.

[shut thorn]

aka utility

[burnt python]

i aint jokin lets go

[teal cargo]

Arent you making the claim?

[spark gale]

Nope

[loud mist]

psyker is utility

[glacial abyss]

brain burst is still useful from afar like on the snipers. u forget brain burst is basically a psyker's grenade

[shut thorn]

You are utility

[uncut hamlet]

Problem is bursters don't get one shot by psyker on heresy damnation

[leaden pier]

they dont?

[loud mist]

mad boi

[covert cosmos]

they dont

[glacial abyss]

people keep acting like brain burst is the main thing. its warp charges. u dont need to use G to get warp charges

[devout axle]

Guys. They are buffing a bunch of Vet and Zealot weapons. Also, they gave one line of basically nothing to Psykers.

[shut thorn]

Calm down, it's just psyker chat lol

[uncut hamlet]

Vets grenade is always useful. Always. It's problem is CD. Psykers bb is never useful outside of bombers or snipers

[austere burrow]

The force sword bug fix is huge actually

[shut thorn]

Psyker is completely viable

[covert cosmos]

shotgunners, gunners, snipers, bombers, and trappers still get oneshot tho

[half iron]

push and shove.
until someone shoots

[uncut hamlet]

Even ogryns nade is better

[glacial abyss]

psyker is literally a solo machine

[covert cosmos]

well id disagree with that lol

[austere burrow]

Now you can use it without having scuffed movement

[shut thorn]

Yeah being able to sprint - > heavy is gonna be nice

[glacial abyss]

soloing with psyker and surge staff is so easy u can stun specials

[covert cosmos]

i get more use out of bb than ogryn grenade

[uncut hamlet]

And that doesn't even touch on the fact that warp charges are best left ignored, and to just take feats that assume you'll get them

[spark gale]

tbh the most useful thing about BB is that it highlights heads for Sharpshooters to get easier headshots

[covert cosmos]

especially when ogryn gotta compete with zealot and sharpshooter for nades

[glacial abyss]

just use crits + warp feats and u will go crazy

[loud mist]

playable , not good. supposed to be a damage dealer , but you don't do that much damage face of a zealot or a vet

[shut thorn]

Shiny object spotted

[loud mist]

and you are the weakest shit in the universe

[sick kindle]

NGL, I think this game was designed from the ground up because Fatshark devs saw all the CATA SOLO TWITCH MODE MODDED. HERES MY BUILD and went 'Well we cant have that!' and made things exponentially weaker when away from your team.

[spark gale]

I'm not even complaining. Like that's legit its major use

[uncut hamlet]

Lol "psyker is good because of one staff, and everyone who says otherwise is unskilled"

Surge is Hella good yea

But also boring as fuck

[full patio]

viable =/= optimal. Psyker is very viable

[uncut hamlet]

And doesn't make sense that it should supersede core psyker abilities

[spark gale]

Everyone knows Surge is the best but it's also the most boring and least skilled

[glacial abyss]

to be fair these guys not strong enough to handle the incomparable mind psyker requires

[shut thorn]

uhhh?

[orchid nest]

Hey cmon.. they are buffing the vfx

[loud mist]

i would say just viable

[uncut hamlet]

Uhh?

[glacial abyss]

lmao aloool

[shut thorn]

Wdym? Psyker is literally meant to use force weps

[uncut hamlet]

Bb and warp charges suck, straight up

[leaden pier]

yea

[uncut hamlet]

Just because surge staff is good

[shut thorn]

Because BB is your last ditch utility?

[spark gale]

Psyk was designed and put into the game so you can say something crazy then say Psyk when people are surprised

[uncut hamlet]

It doesn't mean the class as a whole is well balanced

[shut thorn]

You use BB to get the inevitable bomber running away or an annoying sniper

[glacial abyss]

brain burst is utility u guys keep acting like brain burst is your life line

[uncut hamlet]

That's how it's used right now, yes

[leaden pier]

isnt grenades supposed to be utility anyway

[uncut hamlet]

But look at the psyker aura

[full patio]

bb is an unlimited grenade slot, it's totally fine as is

[glacial abyss]

thats why the game gives u warp charge feats and other ways to proc brain burst

[uncut hamlet]

+10% dmg to elites

[analog juniper]

I'd also say half the tree sucks, and the ult sucks

[shut thorn]

yes, BB is literally an utility

[glacial abyss]

u can literally blow up an elite just from a feat

[leaden pier]

and the bb the nade to psyker

[glacial abyss]

by tapping them with some staff or your weapon

[spark gale]

I'm about to BB

[uncut hamlet]

Okay look

Your guys entire argument is

[glacial abyss]

u literally complaining about psyker!!!!

[uncut hamlet]

Psyker is strong because surge staff and specific feats

[glacial abyss]

youre entire argument is "focus on this one thing!!!"

[shut thorn]

And even if you try to claim some lore bs, psykers are literally meant to use force weps so they dont get owned by demons

[leaden pier]

yea

[uncut hamlet]

I'm saying it should be strong without surge staff too

[grizzled iris]

Haters gonna hate

[uncut hamlet]

Purge and void are viable

[loud mist]

Meanwhile on ogryn chat
Go straight foward bois

[full patio]

no, surge staff sucks

[glacial abyss]

psyker gun builds literally work no cap

[spark gale]

If we concentrate all of our Psykenetic energies together, we can brain burst someone in the chat

[uncut hamlet]

Tell that to these guys

[leaden pier]

it can be strong without surge tho

[uncut hamlet]

That's even worse imo. Yes it works, but it's terrible for the fantasy of the class

[glacial abyss]

never said surge staff was the most op or anything only u said that lol

[sick kindle]

The angle most people don't consider is the opportunity cost of time it takes to use BB vs the results it gives. The time you spend charging it up you could have been adding more value to your team by doing something else. When your 'target only one enemy and take one quarter of your peril charge and four seconds of nothing else' ability does not instantly kill what you are doing it on, it is loss in value.

[leaden pier]

ive seen nutty psykers with the purge staff

[finite gazelle]

[half iron]

my beloved believes i can do it by myself

[shut thorn]

wtf where is revolver

this tierlist sucks

[uncut hamlet]

? You literally keep talking about surge with flayer

[glacial abyss]

thats my personal build

literally not saying thats how u should play never did

[lucid mortar]

Ooo a tier list in chat, this should go well

[glacial abyss]

u said it more than me

[spark gale]

False. It's for cleaning up fleeing enemies and highlighting heads for sharpshooter. That's it. Full stop.

[glacial abyss]

lol

[uncut hamlet]

"It's literally a utility that's infinite" is a shit excuse

[glacial abyss]

only real psykers know psyker class requires an incomparable mind. if u think its weak youre a poxburster

simple as.

[spark gale]

lmao

[uncut hamlet]

It's purpose of high single target is almost nullified in heresy damnation outside of snipers or bombers

[lucid mortar]

Full period

[leaden pier]

i mean isnt the charge time on bb supposed to be a balance to how it is basically infinite

[uncut hamlet]

I never said it's weak. I said it's poorly designed

[shut thorn]

BB is not your main weapon, it never will be

[robust meteor]

this is like arguing with the guy that uses devils claw only through an entire run and saying how strong it is

[fading shoal]

Power Sword got nerfed. Useless weapon now. ||/s||

[glacial abyss]

staff + warp charges. its literally so good when it procs through feats

[spark gale]

Working as intended imo

[glacial abyss]

stop focusing on brain burst as your main shit

[uncut hamlet]

It's not vets or zealots either, except theirs is always useful

[teal needle]

The only big problem with gunkers is the ammo. And the fact that getting and holding 6 stacks on them sucks ogryn balls. And that they don't get to see enemies through walls. So you know minus all those major things they can do okay damage

[shut thorn]

BB is useless for getting specials that are out of reach

[sick kindle]

You better run that 'veteran' through because it's a heretic disguised as one. Vets in damnation do not take that long to secure special and elite kills if they're specced for it.

[shut thorn]

🙃

[uncut hamlet]

It's not main, you're right. It also shouldn't be useless outside of 2 enemies with a specific condition

[night marten]

WTF do you expect them to do with ONLY 10 cleave

[lucid mortar]

Aiming is for bitches

[full patio]

Literally the most useful thing a BB can do is kill bullwarks. Pretty sure you get to BB more than a zealot/vet/ogryn will throw their grenades considering damnation bullwark spawns

[loud mist]

Feeling like talking about builds is like "women yelling at cat"

[spark gale]

Issa meme

[uncut hamlet]

If you can see them vet can shoot them

[teal cargo]

Bulwarks too

[glacial abyss]

its not. brain burst can proc in other ways. you focus too much on brain burst when the real part u need to focus on is warp charges

[uncut hamlet]

Yea that too

Great for bulwark

[spark gale]

There is no denying they prioritize the shiny head on their screen

[glacial abyss]

its warp charge and ult brain burst only a vessel to give u warp charges

[shut thorn]

Except they won't because they're too busy looking for ammo or spamming the dumbass shovel

[grizzled iris]

Man, I joined a random Heresy lobby, I played my MK V Axe and Surge Staff, running around CC'ing ranged as I walk into melee and just man handle them, meanwhile the 2 other random Psykers are standing 30 meters behind me doing BB on the ranged that I am melee'ing to death xD

[uncut hamlet]

If the entire class integrity assumes a singular feat, there's something wrong

[jade geode]

Yeah I just played a Heresy game with a psyker that spent like 80% of the game on BB because "6 stacks" while everyone else did the heavy lifting, and I killed more specials/elites with my fuggin Void staff than he did with BB, while also killing hordes, ambients, etc.

Guy was friggin BBing ambients just to keep charges. Was physically painful to see that much time and opportunity wasted.

[glacial abyss]

ong fake psykers

[uncut hamlet]

Assuming incompetent teammates is a null point considering its a team game

[glacial abyss]

you're the only one focusing on it! nobody else is

psyker literally requires incomparable mind

[shut thorn]

Ok then get rid of ogryn grenades and zealot nade

[uncut hamlet]

You keep bringing it up, how the fuck am I the only focusing on it

[glacial abyss]

people who should be playing the other classes play psyker then complain

[spark gale]

BB is useless unless a dog is running away if you use a void staff. Void does ~700 more DPS

[finite gazelle]

The biggest value that bb has is that it alerts the other 3 people that they should votekick you asap when they see you use it for maximum chance of passing the run.

[glacial abyss]

i dont bring it up u just think its the only aspect of the class

[uncut hamlet]

Bro you literally bring up things in the argument consistently, then when I point it out I'm the one focusing on it

[glacial abyss]

u a fake psyker

simple as.

[shut thorn]

innit

[spark gale]

You guys should try to brain burst each other

[uncut hamlet]

I'm arguing that specific subsets of the class shouldn't be made useless, not that they're the only aspect of the class

[grizzled iris]

Doing wonders in Damnation

[shut thorn]

I'm doing that to u rn

[glacial abyss]

nothing is useless just look at durzurs build

[teal cargo]

Whats the evidence on this?

[glacial abyss]

just copy durzurs build if u think the class needs a rework

[uncut hamlet]

You literally have an ogryn brain ngl. Without the bone head implant.

[twin halo]

Being able to move while culling bis

[spark gale]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-explosion-gif-18355735

[glacial abyss]

u think psyker is bad u are weak

[teal needle]

It turns out the meta is meta

[glacial abyss]

i have an incomparable mind

[shut thorn]

Jealous?

😎

[hushed glade]

Anyone know if they are changing "going out with a bang" penance tomorrow?

[uncut hamlet]

I never said psyker is bad

[robust meteor]

effective bb usage would be like this: come up to a pack of elites, ult (w/ kinetic barrage) before the fight starts (its better for you to initiate), start popping until you're at 100%, switch to staff and quell for the pull. outside of that its effectiveness becomes lessened

[glacial abyss]

he wants to be an ogryn

[uncut hamlet]

Please read

[glacial abyss]

psyker is the one class that needs someone to actually use their head

u cant complain about the class made for the real ones

[spark gale]

big brain class

[glacial abyss]

simple as.

[grizzled iris]

This is the meta build?

[finite gazelle]

Doesn't take much to swap to vet.

[spark gale]

I dare you to post this in the sharpshooter channel rn

[glacial abyss]

literally he just needs to swap to vet

[glacial abyss]

HAHAHA

[shut thorn]

you'll drown in the complaining abt 'nerf'

[leaden pier]

so you're saying psyker's bb is effectively useless?

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-left4dead-rock-zinger-gif-24067307

[flint egret]

I hope so, its PitA

[analog juniper]

Some of you are denying the problems the Psyker has just cause there are ways to work around the core issues of the class.
It's funny.

Psyker is bad, not unusable, also possibly the most interesting to play. They can all be true at once.

[uncut hamlet]

Well said

[glacial abyss]

average person who cant pick a side and says vague things "you're all technically right"

[teal needle]

It's just about, yeah. Maybe a couple of early feat picks vary but that's one of the popular high level builds.

[glad void]

if you have to take a singular feat to make a class objectively better maybe the class is poorly balanced 🤔

[brave vale]

Thank you

[spark gale]

Let's brain burst Unlucky

[sick kindle]

The value of BB has an event horizon at Malice. Up to that point you can majority kill specials and elites. Past that, it goes down sharply into Heresy and Damnation. The only things it can wipe are bombers, snipers, shotgunners, and gunners

[shut thorn]

give me FGS

[shut thorn]

Yeah I'm doing that rn

He won't release FGS

[uncut hamlet]

Absolutely not. You literally have the comprehension skills of a middle schooler

[spark gale]

https://tenor.com/view/she-ra-psychic-read-mind-gif-9909907

[glacial abyss]

i stopped talking to u ages ago cry me a river if u wanna throw insults to the psyker big brains

[small hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-brain-is-going-to-explode-agnes-elsie-fisher-despicable-me-i-cant-take-it-gif-16561902

[finite gazelle]

"pick a side" bros acting like discord is srs business

[shut thorn]

He did it

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/master-shake-athf-gif-26304729

[leaden pier]

i mean bb is kinda less effective on lower difficulties too, since most classes can easily gun down whatever you're trying to bb

[finite gazelle]

madlad

[analog juniper]

You get Force Rod only

[ornate hamlet]

You said it.

[night marten]

checks out

[grizzled iris]

This really isn't hard, I just randomly did it in a damnation game today where we had 4 ragers, 2 maulers and a bulwark so I just thought "Meh, why not try it"

[robust meteor]

people complaining that bb isn't useful on higher difficulties is likely due to not having a ton of psyker experience yet

[ornate hamlet]

True

[uncut hamlet]

Oh has the guy been here for a bit

[spark gale]

https://media.tenor.com/0Q5NOEWcE6wAAAAC/theboys-amazon.gif

[teal cargo]

I think Psyker is good but doesnt fit class description

[glacial abyss]

literally lol

[grizzled iris]

More like they are used to just using BB thinking they are playing the class correctly by doing so

[shut thorn]

[solar remnant]

Lmao

[finite gazelle]

me and my 2 bros kick any pysker that joins until we get a veteran. ez clears

[pine iris]

This is a brilliant psyop

[glacial abyss]

respectable. most psykers cant handle the class without blowing up

[spark gale]

You're out of line but you're right

[uncut hamlet]

It can kill 4 elites. It's exceptionally useful on bombers since they run, and snipers if the vet is occupied, but otherwise is useless on other elites despite supposedly being the single target ability. Bulwark too, good CC.

[shut thorn]

Guys power sword is too nerfed, give it back to STINKY BAD psyker

[uncut hamlet]

It also eons to charge and jumps peril extremely fast

[glacial abyss]

true!!! i need pre nerf power sword to make psyker viable

[robust meteor]

yet i carry the hapless vets that take it up backside if it weren't for me watching their back

[shut thorn]

I need pre closed beta psyker power sword

[night marten]

must be, I generally only block people who have been consistently obnoxious or toxic

[shut thorn]

lmao

[dreamy quartz]

Is quietitude best first feat?

[spark gale]

I like that it gives a lot of peril cause sometimes i use it to quell for toughness regen

[finite gazelle]

why come onto discord just to larp

[shut thorn]

idk I like it because I run antax

[glacial abyss]

same i need the ultra ascended heaven tier power sword

[night marten]

it's the most versatile

[analog juniper]

There's nothing vague here. It's reality.
BB's loss of effectiveness in Heresy+ makes it bad. Half the tree is garbage, the ult is inconsistent borderline bad.
The class is also interesting to play.

[night marten]

other choices can be good with the right setup

[uncut hamlet]

It can be used for that fs, but in general three elites tops in 10 seconds isn't

The greatest

[flint egret]

jsut ride critical peril.. no issues, not need to quell for more than half second. then BB is helpful

[uncut hamlet]

Then staves are unusable

[grizzled iris]

When needed, I just pop my Special and drop 4 quick BB's on a Bulwark to clear it out, other than that I rarely use BB

[teal needle]

Over half the feats in the game across all classes kind of suck 🤷

[finite gazelle]

it was actually bait but didn't have as many takers as I was hoping for

[spark gale]

I mean yeah BB is bad. Everyone knows that. It can help with a fleeing enemy and that's it. That's all there is to this. We are in a violent agreement.

[uncut hamlet]

The Emma guy literally rides his dick too. Their entire purpose is to agree with vitamin lol