psyker-class

[frozen flame]

I hope they change up our pennance too, i feel bad asking a group to let me deal damage over 15 minutes on a monstrosity

[hot tulip]

its called trying to add mission variety in an unappealing way

[frozen flame]

So I haven't yet

[weary idol]

just ning

[bronze pulsar]

its like 5 minutes and its not too bad. i did it from a discord group. pick n mix and going out with a bang are much harder although i did thsoe with bots

[frozen flame]

I mean I kinda like the darkness missions but I feel like just give every player a default flaslight thats better than what we have now and it would be much more enjoyable

[bronze pulsar]

the pskyer heresy armor at least looks good tho

[hot tulip]

the fact that flashlight isnt even default is funny as fuck

[weary idol]

the cliffhanger penance outfit is my favorite

just wish it wasn't covered in dirt

[grave bobcat]

hold right click on FS and LIGHT THE WAY

[hot tulip]

Lights out Missions are just so 😑

[frozen flame]

I was also a fan of the MTX armor I like the look of it

[indigo valley]

Atleast gimme a stronger light at high peril

[muted wyvern]

6 charges actually winds up being less utility. The utility you have comes from your Surge staff being spam-clicked. You’ll get to 4 charges so fast by taking the passives and never manually swapping to Brain Burst. Which means you can sit with your staff out and spam stun shit. Plus the main use of the charges is to lower the CD on the force push so you can clutch quell faster using Quicken at lvl 30, again so you can just sit there and chain stun stuff… no way that taking 6 Charges gives you more utility.

[night marten]

this was in the context of a purge+AB build

[muted wyvern]

Ahh ok, I see

[night marten]

if you can't easily target specific enemies, flayer's utility goes through the floor. you blow up non-useful targets too often

[frozen flame]

@muted wyvern I don't take 6 charges for my lightning build

[stoic night]

Can anyone tell me what the challenges for 'Kinetic Killer (3)' will be ... or maybe show me a screenshot <D ?

[grave bobcat]

Ah, it's the Daily Brain Burst

[muted wyvern]

I mean, either way… you’d go Surge for a utility build anyway no?

[night marten]

and having 6 charges, with AB specifically, has a lot of utility

I like playing purge+AB with a deflector FS

[frozen flame]

Feel like some of the things they don't have in this game drive me crazy, like no class based daily challenges? it's like they don't want people to grind the game

[muted wyvern]

They actively don’t want you to grind Contracts, actually. Like when they give me “complete sidequests in Hab Drayko, you fucking idiot nerd.”

[bronze pulsar]

that what i use too. with surge i do the flayer instead, and a chainsword

[frozen flame]

Like I just signed on today, checked shop and was like fuck it I don't even want to play anything rn.

[frozen flame]

Where if i had some daily challenges or the crafting was fixed I would have played

@night marten Nice!

[bronze pulsar]

nice

[stoic night]

Honestly, thanks a lot 😄
That actually answered all my potential-follow-up questions as well 🙂

[remote tusk]

grats! How did you get pick n mix done? Can't for the life of me get it

[bronze pulsar]

i cant figure out what the last mission type i need to do is lol but i have 30 missions i need to do anyway so i hope i randomly hit it

[night marten]

@bronze pulsar oh you were answering their question, I thought the question came from you lol

[hushed glade]

Sounds like all of you have burned out already lol, games been out for a few weeks

[stoic night]

This is the last Kinetic Killer head you can unlock ...

This one though ... ... ... is gilded more

Yeat none of us can get it ... SUFFER!

[bronze pulsar]

i think the helmet looks really nice. at least our clothes are nice

[restive tapir]

man i really wish they removed the fucking railings from this game

[still mountain]

We can go deeper

[frozen flame]

@restive tapir I think everyone does lmao so frustrating

[muted wyvern]

I still need to finish an Assassination Mission and a uhhhh… who the fuck knows what other type for my helmet…

[long wharf]

and was in pre-order beta for a month

[weary idol]

or make the LoS check on brain burst the same as what projectiles can go through

[restive tapir]

yeah, he can be shot over there but not brainbursted it's so frustrating

[muted wyvern]

That’s cuz the Emperor loves the Guard more than us

Obviously

[echo parrot]

Felinid cosmetics confirmed.

[weary idol]

oh, also I had a crackpot idea to rework brainburst into a more relevant move without taking away sharpshooters role as special deleter

[grave bobcat]

I was gonna put his head on Emma Watson next damn you did the same idea

[weary idol]

just make it so brainburst charging builds up damage while charging on an enemy, and the little visual indicator is how much of their health you'll get rid of

[hushed glade]

Yes ok?

[weary idol]

instead of a charge timer

[long wharf]

so a lot of people have been playing for two months now

[hushed glade]

Time to take a break if you’re burned out after 2 months

[long wharf]

and since the game didn't magically change upon release from what was available in the beta, it's reasonable for people to be getting burned out after two months on the limited content available

[grave bobcat]

2 weks for me

[weary idol]

didn't even release with as much content as was expected xd

still fun though

[bronze pulsar]

i almost burned out doing the penances, the game itself is fun but the penances are stupid af

[crisp yacht]

You know you don't have to do them right?

[acoustic isle]

The mentality on the pennances is pretty un healthy tbh

[grave bobcat]

Sshh

Dont tell them

[crisp yacht]

Just play the game

[long wharf]

if you want the best cosmetics, you do the penances

[acoustic isle]

Though them being anti teamwork doesnt help

You likely are gonna tank the run doing the heresy ones

[tiny parrot]

yeah some of the psyker penances are a bit much

[weary idol]

ngl the light blue/black tigerstripes that you can buy from the docket store

kinda neaaaaaaaat

[bronze pulsar]

lol those are so barf

[acoustic isle]

Ill be honest the black hood with the imperium edition chest and legs on psyker

[bronze pulsar]

i'd rather ironically wear my prison suit

[acoustic isle]

Pretty lit

[grave bobcat]

Only reason I swapped prison clothes was because people kept leaving upon seeing me one of them sayign "Don't want to play with a fresh 30"

[acoustic isle]

Lmaaoooo

[grave bobcat]

Annoying to be slowed down by that

[acoustic isle]

Not realizing you uh... get cosmetics on leveling

And you just chose to keep the prison garb

[echo parrot]

Imma start wearing my prison suit but with the final penance hood so people know I just dont give a shit.

[acoustic isle]

Nah the best way to flex

Is to just run prison garb with the damnation frame

Just to really gloat

[grave bobcat]

Actually you right

going back to the robes of capture

[night marten]

gotta go with the full drip from the waist up and prison pants. The "working from home"

[echo parrot]

Theres a damnation frame?

[acoustic isle]

Yep gotts do heresy first 7 times

Then the damnation pennance appears

[grave bobcat]

Why do I gotta doheresy first

oh

[shadow wigeon]

stupid q, but quell speed bonus is only when you quell while wielding staff, correct?

[long wharf]

you get credit for all damnation runs just the same

[acoustic isle]

Yep you do so you can just run damnation and do the 7 mission types

[night marten]

quell speed only ever applies to quelling while that weapon is active

[grave bobcat]

GOT A FUCKIN SHANK LAD

[acoustic isle]

And it'll just get you all the rewards

But yes there is a frame for malice and damnation

[long wharf]

you know what would make even more sense? instead of active quelling, have staff quell speed boost passive quelling

[delicate stratus]

I like my hood and mask

[echo parrot]

Ohh it must not be a class penance. There wasnt one for damnation after heresy on my psyker.

[delicate stratus]

I get to feel edgy with the warp powers to prove it

[long wharf]

or there be a feat that does that

[shadow wigeon]

do force swords ever have quell bonus?

[acoustic isle]

Oh yeah just a general account frame

[delicate stratus]

Feat idea: you can no longer quell manually but your peril constantly quells passively at a reduced rate

[gusty cove]

What all is considered "Soulblaze"?

[acoustic isle]

Blue fire

[grave bobcat]

Not only do you see a psyker in their prison attire

The knife doesn't fill you with confidnce

[vague ridge]

love getting lvl 10's or below in my malice and above runs lmao

[delicate stratus]

It's malice

Just solo it

[acoustic isle]

I just went into malice assuming im either carrying

Or stomping it

[weary idol]

blue fire

[delicate stratus]

Samesies

[acoustic isle]

Usually worked for me

[weary idol]

all of it is soulblaze

but the soulblaze from talents is WAY stronger than the purgatus staff

[lethal plover]

10 is right for malice
25+ is right for heresy

[weary idol]

although they stack together

[lethal plover]

depending on skill it can change ofc

[acoustic isle]

Well generally you can do those difficulties

[gusty cove]

So the Voidstrike and etc staves deal soulblaze as well? Or just the DOT?

[acoustic isle]

But plenty of peeps cant do heresy or damnation

[vague ridge]

apparently not considering all three teammates kept dying within seconds of each other lmao. only one braincell between em

[acoustic isle]

And that's just a skill issue unironically

[grave bobcat]

Damn

Twice in a day

[long wharf]

only the dot is soulblaze damage

the purge staff's direct attacks, the ones that stack soulblaze dots, don't count as soulblaze damage themselves

which is straight stupid

[gusty cove]

Gotcha, that's weird. Trying to figure out what all would proc Ascendent Blaze and the game logic seems a bit fuzzy

[long wharf]

only the soulblaze dot procs it

which, again, is stupid

[stark jewel]

anyone knows where to find some help for complete the penance?

[long wharf]

the purge staff, the only way in the game to put soulblaze dots onto enemies, ergo the only reason to ever use that stupid feat

[night marten]

to be fair, even that's enough to get stacks back in a reasonable amount of time assuming you're blasting lots of targets with purgatus

but still it's unfortunate the staff's direct damage doesn't apply to that language in the feat

[long wharf]

the only staff for which it makes sense to have a blessing that helps it apply more soulblaze stacks more quickly, doesn't get the blazing spirit blessing

[night marten]

was so disappointed when I realized that

[long wharf]

the amount of mechanics clunkiness the psyker suffers is mind boggling

[velvet lodge]

Fatshark really hates Psyker, 5 minutes of max Warp charges is the most impossible thing ever

[long wharf]

it's like none of the devs ever play the class

[night marten]

it is not at all. run kinetic barrge, kinetic flayer, play passively on your team and pre-charge BB often to keep stacks up

[royal granite]

be a useless stereotype of your class for 5 minutes

[bronze pulsar]

i had no problems getting that before even hitting 30. just find a map without elevators. if you want to cheese it just sit in a corner with bots and BB stuff at the start of the map

[velvet lodge]

even with endless horde on Heresy you have too much enemy downtime

[night marten]

no one said it made sense

[sacred lodge]

whenever I get a vet with a bolter, I just give up on getting pick n mix for that run; they just melt enemies too fast

sigh... one day I'll get it done

[long wharf]

it took me a lot of trying to get it

and that was with teams focused on helping me get it

[bronze pulsar]

yeah i dont think you can do that one without a premade agreeing to do it, or bots lol. stuff goes down too fast and if you waste any time its overv

[restive tapir]

i did that penance on accident with this build

[night marten]

I used bots for both pick n mix and the suicide penance

no faster way imo

[restive tapir]

and a purgatus staff

[bronze pulsar]

same it took like 10 hours comibned but doable with bots

[sacred lodge]

that's assuming you don't get anyone to join

[night marten]

only issue with not running kinetic barrage and trying to have max stacks for 5 minutes is that pushing F means you start over

[sacred lodge]

a well, I'll just faff about with other classes until I can convince friends to play this game with me

[night marten]

if anything that might indicate you're not pushing F often enough 😄

[sacred lodge]

like my friend who owned the game previously, I saw footage of it, expressed interest in wanting to play with her and bought the game, only for her to go "nah, I refunded it"

[restive tapir]

yeah i didn't use it for some reason and suddenly the penance pops up as completed lol

[restive tapir]

since then i use it alot

[bronze pulsar]

i have friends that play this but i dont want to subject them to helping me get some BS like pick n mix

its just not fun. its like hard and also not fun

[night marten]

completely agree. bots are the way to go. starting a mission asap and trying to get it on the first elite pack, letting bots hold aggro while you go to work

[velvet lodge]

most of the penances are made to destroy teamplay, you have to be extremely selfish or just burden to the team to do them

[shadow wigeon]

Is there any difference in the block from a force weapon, or is it purely cosmetic?

[night marten]

if it doesn't work, faster to just abort mission and start over instead of wandering through the mission looking for more packs while bolter vets join your team and kill your chances

[restive tapir]

i just now realized that Pick n Mix requires Heresy or above, brainburst takes 2 hits to kill some of the elites and 3 for most specials what the fuckkkkkk

[night marten]

soften them up with purge or surge staffs

but the time required means bots or a pre-made are going to be your best chance

[restive tapir]

cosmetic but the force sword can roll a blessing that allows you to block shots

[shadow wigeon]

dope, thanks

[restive tapir]

yeah i've been hoping to get that blessing

[bronze pulsar]

i did it the pennace starting with 1 ogryn first and then 4 gunners, on one of the chasm map variants. its not even hard everything just has to line up with the spawns being there and bots not killing anything, and you not dying or being knocked around, and you not missing, and nobody joining lol

if you are like 'fuck it im going to spend 5 hours doing this penance while watching netflix', thats all it takes really

[frigid zenith]

Whats the best map now for doing the kamakazi?

[grave bobcat]

Anyone wanna come t5?

Or can do t4

Need a little less "random" 😦

[echo parrot]

Just a heads up its still work hours in the US cal

[bronze pulsar]

for going out with a bang but it doesnt matter too much you just wanna spawn into 3 ragers and lightning CC them while you overload and blow yourself up. if its not a rager / mauler spawn just restart because everybody else runs away from you

[grave bobcat]

ik ik, just...

PAIN

WITHOUT LOVE

[velvet spear]

i got so lucky with going out with a bang, high intensity mission resulted in 2 big armor bois and something else blundering in with a hrode and i just pushed the palpatine stuff until i melted down

[restive tapir]

man i sure love playing the magic class to use checks notes guns and axes

[night marten]

almost any will work, but going in with bots to take aggro while you soften up the elites a little with surge/purge staffs is the easiest way to approach it

[burnt python]

i'll give you a shout when im done workin cal, few hours

[restive tapir]

nothing but autoguns and axes for the last 20 shop resets

[grave bobcat]

I might be bed then I had to get up early today for no reason cause they never called me 🙂

We'll see

[velvet spear]

^ this is why i buy most staves i see above blue just to bag blessings

[grave bobcat]

?

Is it?

Damn

[burnt python]

kk

[grave bobcat]

Which claw sword is the good one again I can't rmber its number

[tight saddle]

I think mk1

I forget as well

[grave bobcat]

Wait

Didn't you tell me which one it was ealrier

lmfao

[restive tapir]

there's different claw swords?

[tight saddle]

I also said I forget which one it is as well

[grave bobcat]

Hahaa

Well I just tried the IV

And it didn't feel good so

Unless there is a speicific way to use it

[grave bobcat]

Ye

[tight saddle]

There is, I had read about some people mentioning a tech with it or maybe it was just a specific attack.

[grave bobcat]

VII seems t owork

Oyh

Techhen sword

Actually

[gilded viper]

Anyone else annoyed by all the psyker proof fencing that happily lets the gunner mow you down but not let you bb in return?

[grave bobcat]

I should check which one lets me move faster

Cause I can't be going from super fast dagger to slow

throw me off lol

[gilded viper]

I mean if speedrunning just stick with dagger, but you kinda need to slow down a bit for higher difficulties lest you be cut off from teammates and gunned down by squads of traitor guard

[tight saddle]

I think the claw is mostly for its underestimated stagger capabilities with good cleave

[grave bobcat]

I'm not speedrunning

And I'm doing t5 as normal

[gilded viper]

Then try for a force sword with deflector if you can. It still has a mobility stat

[grave bobcat]

No.

[vague ridge]

I remember you saying you had a lot of res to gunners. is it cause of the anointed things you can get or?

[grave bobcat]

Curios

And 1 of your traits

[gilded viper]

Damage reduction vs gunners is a curio perk. Doesn’t do jack about shooters though.

[tight saddle]

regular shooters aren't as big of a deal compared to gunners surprise bullshit

[gilded viper]

I disagree.

[grave bobcat]

And I want to minimise all ranged damage I take.

[vague ridge]

the regulars melt me cause I dont realize they are shooting me till its to late half the time

[tight saddle]

you can just spam slide against regular shooters, not as easily to do against gunners

[grave bobcat]

Positioning rmber 😛

[vague ridge]

yeah yeah I know

[grave bobcat]

Lmao actually I have a clip

[gilded viper]

Spam slide in a horde?

[grave bobcat]

That shows me fucking up my positionijng

"Nope"

And my phone alarm in the background

lol

[tight saddle]

you can

[vague ridge]

either the clip is brokey or my discord is. wont play for me

[grave bobcat]

You go proof of this?

[tight saddle]

you can also slide around a horde to get in a better position from shooters

[grave bobcat]

We were curiosu earlier

[grave bobcat]

Oh uhh

Ctrl + R refreshes discord

Otherwise I dunno its just an embed lol

[gilded viper]

I’d rather just be in a spot where I’m not being shot, or use my weapon’s blessing to fix my positioning.

[grave bobcat]

Well Woe isn't using Melee only Psyker (I hope) in damnation

[burnt python]

i haven't tested but i'd bet a lot of money the gunner dmg resist only applies to the elite specifically named gunner

[solar remnant]

Havent tested it out but I thought gunners only meant gunners and not all shooters

[burnt python]

based on the other dmg resist stats

[solar remnant]

Lol

[grave bobcat]

Ugh fine I'l lcehck

SInce nobody actually knows and its useful

[burnt python]

i agree w/ the dude before tho the regular shooters are way scarier than gunners

[vague ridge]

havnt done damnation yet as I know I'm not ready for it yet. mostly cause I'm still testing what works for me gun or staff wise and what not

[long wharf]

keep in mind, also, that those traitor guards with guns that wear helmets aren't considered "shooters"

[grave bobcat]

Pretty much all you can do atm lol

[echo parrot]

How are you sliding like this

Teach me your magic

[vague ridge]

rather not throw ppls games cause I'm not ready for it

[long wharf]

as they use their guns in close range on purpose

[grave bobcat]

Its just sliding as you release a heavy swing

There is really short momentum boost

As a swing occurs

Slide during that

[burnt python]

works w/ dueling sword light attacks too, the slide boost that is

[grave bobcat]

I works with everything I've used

So far lo

[tight saddle]

and it doesn't waste stamina, with the knife you even regenerate stamina while sliding with the speed boost

if the animation is long enough for your stam to recover

[echo parrot]

Yeah, but that means you are using a dueling sword.

[grave bobcat]

true

smh

[tight saddle]

you can also keep sliding forward while running at shooters to be immune to shooters

without a weapon

[burnt python]

catch me with my force sword killing a 10k deep horde 2 at a time

i'll be here for 30 mins if you need me

[vague ridge]

duel sword is my baby, cant change my mind on it

[grave bobcat]

Oh no.

[vague ridge]

good for horde control and swings fast

[grave bobcat]

There is better but you do you 😛

[echo parrot]

You are perfectly entitled to your wrong opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to respect it.

[grave bobcat]

lol

Woe what level are you

[vague ridge]

which ones?

[grave bobcat]

woops

[burnt python]

i prefer dueling to knife too 😄

[grave bobcat]

To be FAIR, I haven't used the DS properly

So I can't say what is actually better or worse

BUT

[vague ridge]

hmmm

[long wharf]

looks like this'll be good once crafting gets implemented

[grave bobcat]

There are obvious ones like the ANtax which are easily better

[solar remnant]

I haven't gotten a good knife only high level dueling swords

[grave bobcat]

Or I use a force sword and 1 swing cancel

[burnt python]

antax is 100% getting nerfed right?

[long wharf]

I doubt it

passive quelling on weapons might, though

[echo parrot]

Oh man an opportunity for me to post the screenshot of my knife for the 30th time.

[grave bobcat]

lol

[burnt python]

i honestly hope it does, its just clearly better than other weps rn

230 dmg light attacks loool

[echo parrot]

Time for me to do just that so that I can have a temporary dopamine rush of people getting jealous.

[gilded viper]

I mean the way I play psykinetic the melee is more utility than anything. Deflector force sword for protection from shooters and pushing back horde, purge staff for murder

[echo parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049737926390595654/image.png

[gilded viper]

Slide does actually reduce damage taken by half on psyker

[grave bobcat]

@vague ridgeAlso don't do what I'm doing rn cause I'm just making Damnation for challenging for fun lol

[sage rivet]

wth does rending do?

[burnt python]

armor pen, rending is very good

[grave bobcat]

Like you'd have more impact with diff kit etc lol

[gilded viper]

Reduce effective armor value of enemies

[echo parrot]

Damn son hella nice

I am jealous

[grave bobcat]

Not the blessings I want so

GARBAGE

[echo parrot]

Blessing can change, stats are forever

[burnt python]

im holding out hope that they're gonna let us modify both blessings isntead of just 1 like perks

[gilded viper]

I still think Deflector should just be a part of force sword, not a blessing

[vague ridge]

trust me I didn't plan on it lmao. just looking for stuff that's good with horde and specials and what not. Right now I've been doing ds with accatran recon lasgun that is torrent and high capacity cause its so fun, 70 in one clip makes for fun shooting

[long wharf]

I agree

[grave bobcat]

I recommend swapping to the MG XII lasgun.

It's like having BB in a 108 mag gun

I don't think I've used the recon lasgun yet tho

[vague ridge]

don't have it in the shop yet, I'll look out for it

[grave bobcat]

ik what it is tho

[burnt python]

recon is fun but falls off hard in higher difficulties

and its ammo hungry

[gilded viper]

The free bb talent on gun psyker seems like it could be interesting. Maybe with the damage increase on bbed enemies

[primal bay]

Im not very familiar with psyker. Which one would you guys choose?

[vague ridge]

hard to move onto any other gun though cause the torrent makes it shoot so fast it great. need stuff to spend my money on either way tho

[proud mantle]

A different staff 😂

[gilded viper]

The One with terrifying barrage and rending

[grave bobcat]

And someone is gonna read this and disagree with me so this is for them 🖕 . But I'd recommend choosing which thing you want to kill the best. Horde or Elite/Specials? You can get more nuanced in targeting when you decide which one.

[proud mantle]

The one you have is honestly fine

[grave bobcat]

Psyker spreads themselves too thin trying to cover both AND, I'd say choose specials, cause any melee can clear horde.

[gilded viper]

Yah I double down on horde clear with purge. Plenty of trigger happy vet players to destroy shooters and specials

[grave bobcat]

Also you didn't tell me what level you are 🥲

[vague ridge]

currently 21

[gilded viper]

Really my biggest gripe is psykers not really good dealing with ogryns

[grave bobcat]

Fair, lmk when you hit 30

And we can do t4

[burnt python]

sure we are, force sword / axe, surge, trauma, bb w/ barrage

[frigid zenith]

psykers turn ogryns into little bitches.

[grave bobcat]

Cause thats when the game will start forcing you into a playstyle

[vague ridge]

really? I always focus them and any other specials with my bb

and usually kill them easily

[grave bobcat]

Anyway wtf was I doing

[gilded viper]

It takes 3 on higher difficulties, and you can only hurt them if you’re doing that

[frigid zenith]

Stun with surge to break block, whip out that force sword and fuck them up.

[grave bobcat]

All my curios are different so it was the toughness damage taken -.- dmanit

[vague ridge]

I mean, the bb is good on them either way tho cause it damages, and stuns them, which breaks there block and lets the team rush them

[frigid zenith]

charged force sword does poopy tons of damage to singles.

[tight saddle]

Usually it's better to BB Bulwarks, but there are situations where keeping them CC'd is better for the whole team overall.

[burnt python]

if i see a bulwark i'm poppin barrage every time lol

[vague ridge]

that is if the team knows to focus it right after bb

[grave bobcat]

The dagger I've been using shocked me when it can 2 shot the bullwarks

Made me laugh

[gilded viper]

I’m not talking about exclusively bulwarks here. Having 2 crushers rapidly approach your location doesn’t allow much room for BB or Force Sword spam. Especially if a horde is also there

[vague ridge]

yeah that's where having a competent team can clutch it. otherwise I agree

[frigid zenith]

surge solves your problems.

[gilded viper]

Also yah having a good team always fixes every problem

[frigid zenith]

Or even purg.

[gilded viper]

Purge’s dot is nothing against carapace tho

[burnt python]

try barrage & psykinetics aura if you specifically want to handle ogryns better

[frigid zenith]

Yeah but everything is on fffiirreeee

[vague ridge]

I never really liked surge honestly. I'm not a huge staff user cause I enjoy the guns more. granted I knw they are good for crowd control but yeah

[burnt python]

w/o mixing up your weps

[shut kraken]

is this where I would ask for someone with an ogryn shield to help me do my psyker penace?

[grave bobcat]

Oh yeah

[frigid zenith]

I would say, if you enjoy guns play the class that utilizes them better.

[vague ridge]

lfg channel

[grave bobcat]

t his fucking shooter

wtf

Like actual ambush lol

[gilded viper]

Surge needs a more consistent targeting for my tastes.

[frigid zenith]

I feel like guns are wasted on psykers.

[gilded viper]

Purge or voidstrike are my preferences

[vague ridge]

not if they have good aim and know how to use them correctly

[gilded viper]

Not that surge is bad. Just not my taste

[burnt python]

i'm with ya on that surge just isn't fun for me

usually take void on damn

[frigid zenith]

Why would you gimp yourself by using a gun? The point of the class is utility and synergies around staff use. Just like Veterans are synergized with gun use. It makes zero sense to use a gun on a psyker.

[grave bobcat]

Why would you care? 😄

[gilded viper]

I got a group that can handle elites/specials well with vet’s absurd burn crit laz guns. I get to murder hordes, and the ogryn/zealot stagger and kill alongside me

[grave bobcat]

They arleady know but they're exploring the class

[frigid zenith]

Do what you want, it makes zero sense to me though.

[gilded viper]

Gun psyker is different, not bad, but you lack some synergy

[tight saddle]

Cal brought a 290 Lasgun to our quickplay Damnation run and did just fine we had no issues without a Vet.

[burnt python]

you're thinking about it in theory instead of how it actually plays out in game, guns let psyker handle gunner chaff that staves really dont deal with well, and you get to keep peril blocking & bb

[grave bobcat]

THE ISSUE WAS MY SWORD

Fucking dumb blesisngs

[vague ridge]

I suppose, but at the same time the teams I get veterans dont focus the gunners at long range most the time, and it taskes longer to bb several of them when I can use my gun with 70 rounds to clear like 10 of em in 5 seconds compared to bb

[burnt python]

we did a high intesnity damnation mission yesterday where i really really really wished i had a gun lol

[grave bobcat]

Nop

I was very happy

you had voidd

[frigid zenith]

lol what? In theory? Theres no theory here. The entire class is DESIGNED around staff synergies.

[grave bobcat]

You cleared a hallway I was stuck in lol

[burnt python]

waiting 10 m ins just to turn a fucking corner cus noone could kill the gunners was painful

[gilded viper]

I agree with calcium tho. Psyker should either slot themselves into anti horde or anti elite. Trying to do everything leaves you doing nothing

[tight saddle]

bro we can do Damnation just fine with guns, sure it's not the absolute best, but it works just fine with how easy Damnation is

[grave bobcat]

I'm doing damntion with dagger only rn

Not even using my secondary lol

[frigid zenith]

Ok, you can do it, but a vet with the same gun is going to do it way better, why not just play the vet?

[vague ridge]

chad energy

[tight saddle]

that doesn't matter

[frigid zenith]

K

[grave bobcat]

I like figuring out how to play around something 😛

[vague ridge]

cause its nice having the best of both worlds. the bb power and being able to mow down groups

[burnt python]

i mean if you want to talk about only what is optimal there isn't much discussion to be had, you run surge & axe and theres no room for change

optimal isnt necessary tho

[grave bobcat]

And probably a worse player overall if you see these as the only truly viable options

[gilded viper]

Optimal is boring. Ima space wizard and if I can clear damnation as a space wizard (I can) then Ima do it

[frigid zenith]

Oh jesus.

[grave bobcat]

But

time o test gunner res

[frigid zenith]

Ya'll are derps.

[grave bobcat]

Haven't seen that word in years goddamn

[vague ridge]

you dont always have to run class specific or meta things, cause as long as you have a competent team it really wont hinder anything, least in my exp

[gilded viper]

You’re the one who won’t shut up about vet in a psyker channel

[frigid zenith]

lol

No YOU!

[tight saddle]

There's a reason why I don't run premade organized groups in Damnation, it's stupid fucking easy and makes the game boring as shit running only OP stuff

[gilded viper]

You the guy who goes into zealot channel and just “hur dur, power sword is better zealot xd”

[grave bobcat]

PvE game players 🥲

[gilded viper]

Honestly just let people have fun.

[vague ridge]

you clearly wanted to have a discussion about it, and cause we gave our points now you just wanna insult and get mad. we just said why we like it, whether its specific to a class or not

[tight saddle]

you're the one insulting more wdym

[vague ridge]

when... did I throw an insult? what?

[kindred edge]

You're mixing people up, homie

[tight saddle]

sorry wroing person

[vague ridge]

tf

[gilded viper]

Lmao

[frigid zenith]

I'm just being objectionable and pragmatic, ya'll over here doing mental gymnastics.

[grave bobcat]

He called me a derp bro

How can you mistake hgim

[tight saddle]

I'm trying to play a game right now as well lmfao

[gilded viper]

Playing the devil’s advocate still makes you an asshole

[kindred edge]

Objectionable, yes.

[grave bobcat]

Such vile language

[kindred edge]

Siblings, please, stop this bickering.

[vague ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-your-mouth-watch-your-profanity-watch-it-gif-5600117

[gilded viper]

Tell the roughneck players to go away then

[grave bobcat]

lol

[amber nest]

Which one was the good axe again?

[grave bobcat]

Antax

[gilded viper]

Aktrox

A

The a axe

[zinc phoenix]

the mark v

[kindred edge]

Antax MkV

lol

[amber nest]

Ah, thanks

I just got a decently rolled Atrox Mk IV

[zinc phoenix]

ok so i played purgatus for a while then swapped back to my voidstrike

[amber nest]

I'll just stick to my duelling sword for now though

[grave bobcat]

Grey foreevr

[zinc phoenix]

machinegunning down hordes with death balls that explode and ragdoll everything is pretty good

[grave bobcat]

Fuck Antax

[tight saddle]

the meme axe comes out again

[grave bobcat]

Bad weapon for bad players fr fr

[zinc phoenix]

and i can always manage the armored stuff with le force sworde poke on heresy/high intensity

[frigid zenith]

So when other psykers join my games and get got because all they are is a less useful veteran with a gun I should just be fine with that even though we died at the end because they lacked enough utility for their slot?

[kindred edge]

Let people play what they want fool, damn.

[gilded viper]

Why are you still here?

[grave bobcat]

No you only blame yourself

[frigid zenith]

I'm just asking.

[zinc phoenix]

im gonna pull out an oldie but a goodie: u mad bro?

[grave bobcat]

Because maybe you could've done something differne.

[kindred edge]

I'm JuSt AsKiNg

[vague ridge]

I mean sure it's fine to be upset, but does it really matter? just go next, simple as that

[frigid zenith]

Clearly, Im super agnry.

[grave bobcat]

But talking to you is a waste of time anyway lol

[zinc phoenix]

i just had fun carrying three vets through a heresy/high intensity

[gilded viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-sea-lion-sea-lion-ugly-weird-smile-awkward-smile-gif-25053170

I’m jUsT AskINg

[frigid zenith]

lol

[zinc phoenix]

they dealt with the specials, i mutilated all the hordes and bulwarks

[amber nest]

tbh, I'd rather have a Psyker with a well rolled lasgun than one with a level 15 staff because the shop never gave them anything better

[grave bobcat]

@tight saddle I'm trying to find a specific situation in my clips to where I can 100% see how much a gshooter damages me lol

[vague ridge]

that's the good thing about these types of games. if you lose one match, just q up for another seconds later

[zinc phoenix]

gunpsyker always makin me laugh

[grave bobcat]

But there are so many

always

[zinc phoenix]

but like... ive had good gunpsykers

and especially if you pair it with deflection force sword you can be very potent

[gilded viper]

If I get a decent las I might try out a weird build with that increase to damage against bbed enemies talent

[vague ridge]

yeah but he doesn't get it, which is alright. is what it is

[echo parrot]

I am going to combine all of my Deflector blessings into a max tier %15 block reduction and apply it to a 280 force sword. You can deposit your tears in the dispensary to your left.

[zinc phoenix]

how you make people bleed with laser ?!

[grave bobcat]

I think its funnier that I have a gun and I'm not even using it lmao

It's like a double middle fnger

[zinc phoenix]

i have so many guns

emprah gives me nothing but guns

why

[vague ridge]

dagger make brain go brrrrr

[zinc phoenix]

why emprah why

[gilded viper]

Huh? There’s like a lvl 10? 15? Talent that says brain bursted enemies take 15% more damage from non warp damage

[ornate hamlet]

I take gun as psyker to take all ammo from veterans 🤓

[eager nexus]

simply add spikes to the beam

[vague ridge]

sell em for the moneys, become rich

[grave bobcat]

I meant equipped 😄

[versed karma]

I have the feeling that there's something missing when it comes to Gunpsyker.

[ebon jolt]

Is max tier 4 or 5? Tier 3 is only 9%, right?

[gilded viper]

Chad sibling here

[vagrant cedar]

Forcesword doesn't block range dmg?

sad dai

[grave bobcat]

Wow

[gilded viper]

Only with deflector

[versed karma]

^

[echo parrot]

Max is 15%

[eager nexus]

It does with a blessing called Deflector

[grave bobcat]

Deflector*

[ornate hamlet]

Veteran, if you are so good, why do you need ALL the ammo? Curious.

[vagrant cedar]

oh 👀

[versed karma]

L4D

Simple as

[zinc phoenix]

o i thought it said bleed, yeah fine thats a bad build because you lose the warp charges from coherency tho which is gonna be way more targets than the occasional one you bb

[gilded viper]

Warp charges are like what 12% more damage?

[grave bobcat]

Fuck me I can't find a single point

[vagrant cedar]

3-4%

[zinc phoenix]

the perk is only 15% more

[grave bobcat]

Where only 1 dudeis obivously hitting me

[ornate hamlet]

I have three psyker characters. Two on xbox, one for my low lvl friend one for high lvl and one more on steam for personal levelling when crossplay comes

Yes, I am unemployed

[idle shuttle]

revolver psyker top tier

[vague ridge]

so what you've also been saying is, if I get a good dagger, to use it?

[echo parrot]

Your job is Darktide.

[zinc phoenix]

if you dont have the coherency warp charges you cant possibly maintain the 4 warp charges, and that will have way higher uptime than the occasional thing you bb

[grave bobcat]

personally my 2nd favourite weapon

[gilded viper]

Warp charge uptime is overrated

[ornate hamlet]

Seeing as I'm religiously trying to add as much info to the wiki for it, probably

[zinc phoenix]

oh snap same i got laid off a few weeks back. paid six week vacation hoooo!

[vague ridge]

revolver do be fun. they remind me of the hand cannons from destiny. just not as lorge

[grave bobcat]

It's like being a rogue in an RPG, you just single nuke things lol

[idle shuttle]

just bb everything. even hoards of trash

[echo parrot]

Your allegiances shall be your downfall. Knife should be 1st.

[zinc phoenix]

wow this comment made my eyes literally bleed

[ornate hamlet]

I'm leeching to survive, no paid for me. Though I do have chickens

[grave bobcat]

The Lasgun I mentioned ealrier does more dmg than revolver but also has 600+ ammo lol

[zinc phoenix]

your only option is posting videos of them on tiktok

[vague ridge]

yeah I'll be looking for it

[zinc phoenix]

farm the likes my man, farm the likes

[ornate hamlet]

Chicken onlyfans

To finance my love for psyker

[zinc phoenix]

Eggcellent

[grave bobcat]

got it

finalyl

[gilded viper]

Ogryn is getting a 2 handed weapon tomorrow. When force greatsword?

[idle shuttle]

6 warp charges up full game

a true bber

[gilded viper]

When melee psyker class?

I need my Unchained fix

[solar remnant]

You think there will be a lot of balancing with the update?

[vague ridge]

k gonna go now and slaughter some hordes for the emperor

[grave bobcat]

gl

[gilded viper]

Besides terrifying barrage what other blessing is good on Purge staff?

[zinc phoenix]

Anything that helps peril not be a giant ballache

[grave bobcat]

@tight saddle

I wanna find another just ot make sure damage matches up

[gilded viper]

Isn’t that what the peril reduction talent is for?

[zinc phoenix]

MORE

[grave bobcat]

But thats damage taken with my full resist curios

[gilded viper]

How do you go through peril that quickly?

[dusky lantern]

question would you do more damage to a monstrosity with full charge purge or BB spam

[gilded viper]

Get a staff with some warp resistance

[zinc phoenix]

Well I fire void strike balls like a goddamn machine gun with only partial charge

[gilded viper]

Bb spam I believe.

[zinc phoenix]

I can only do it for a minute straight

[sinful stream]

I sure hope so

[tight saddle]

what are you showing? testing the curio?

[dusky lantern]

I wish they let you test against monstrosity in meat grinder

[grave bobcat]

Damage the shooter deals to me WITH curios

[zinc phoenix]

I’d whack it with my force sword revved up because it’s quicker than a BB but similar damage and a lot faster

[grave bobcat]

I jkust want to find another clip of it happening

to make sure dmg is consistent

Then can go in game

[gilded viper]

Same, burster also isn’t in meat grinder for some reason

Yah if you run force sword it’s your best boss dps. But otherwise it’s likely BB

[grave bobcat]

Hard disagree iwth that

[lethal plover]

I advise against using melee on beast of nurgle.

[gilded viper]

Boss armor is also Unyielding I believe

[grave bobcat]

I love being tail swiped

[lethal folio]

Keep up purgatus burn oj bosses.

[ornate hamlet]

what the

[lethal plover]

you will cost your team dearly if beast of nurgle knocks you or eats you

[grave bobcat]

Dagger crit

[gilded viper]

I mean. Damage is fine, but holy cow you’re gonna be quelling a bunch

[grave bobcat]

Dagger I was showign you earlier is aoround 40% crit ccance

Ifi Had to guess

[lethal plover]

this is what I do as well. but I wonder how much damage purgatus does to a boss.

[grave bobcat]

But laso

ALso*

[gilded viper]

Not all of us got god roll daggers. That meme knife might also get the nerf stick in the future

[grave bobcat]

Don't melee nurgie

[amber nest]

That staff's perfect for Quietitude 🥲

[grave bobcat]

Its not a good roll

[zinc phoenix]

Run up, bap the booty, run away

[grave bobcat]

Its a 322 dagger

It just has maxed finesse

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t tend to melee mr beast tho, it’s easier to just BB spam him

[grave bobcat]

I've not found a good dagger yet

[gilded viper]

I haven’t seen a dagger since lvl 15. I still prefer my deflector sword

[zinc phoenix]

That said if you as psyker aren’t tanking the boss during the assassination mission stuff idk what you’re thinking because he can’t break the peril shield end of story 😂

[tight saddle]

purg stacks on a boss while you're on kite duty while BBing is decent if you're on fucky terrain and your team is handling other things.

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I'd prob choose to use BB

Might not be highest dps but I can position better

[lethal plover]

boss captain fights are often hard to predict. he could easily push you into a horde with specials around.
I need 2 on melee and 2 to kill specials and mobs

[grave bobcat]

Jesus this single gunner unloading into my toughness

Brutal

[gilded viper]

Scab captain has it’s own strats. Plague ogryn is this games rat ogre. Easy af. Beast should just be BBed or shot, and Daemonhost sucks, and I hate vets who keep aggroing the damn thing

[devout belfry]

Not to mention they randomly pulse their shield and it wipes all toughness -_-
GaMe DeSiGn

[grave bobcat]

I'm happy to use that

[zinc phoenix]

You can block some of the pulsing if you predict right

[grave bobcat]

as "damage taken"

While I test this lol

[lethal plover]

that's why I don't want 4 people on him. we don't want to be bursted, lose all toughness, and killed by random mobs hitting you

[gilded viper]

That’s with 4 stacks and ranged damage reduction perk? Damn.

[devout belfry]

It doesn't appear to have an animation. Or if it does it's buggy.

[grave bobcat]

Yeah mf'er shreds me

[gilded viper]

I’d rather just hug the zealot and hope he’s running the dr talent at that point

[zinc phoenix]

Not that I’ve seen, but I’ve done it enough to have a sixth sense for his BS 😂

[muted wyvern]

Which axe is the good one anyway?

[grave bobcat]

I shouldn't of taken the damage tbh

[tight saddle]

antax mkv

[grave bobcat]

I tried to slide heavy into him

And he canceled it by hititng me

[zinc phoenix]

He’s had it with your hipster BS. Just walk up ready to brawl and he’ll respect you more

[muted wyvern]

damn, got a 380 Atrox Mk IV in shop rn... so, don't bother then, I guess?

[grave bobcat]

Yep

DOnt bother

If anything

[gilded viper]

I’s just spitroast him. Purge gaming

[grave bobcat]

Buy it then discard it

[tight saddle]

I don't know the specifics between axes since I don't use them, buy it just in case and wait for better answers.

[muted wyvern]

why even bother discarding?

[grave bobcat]

To send a msg

[tight saddle]

because fuck axes

[muted wyvern]

lol ok

[gilded viper]

Different attack patterns. Some got more swings and some got more swipes

[tight saddle]

Oh I know there are differences, I just don't know the specific differences between axes

[zinc phoenix]

Try it and see how you feel in meatgrinder. Maybe take it in a mission or two

If it’s really good stats it’s worth testing out

[muted wyvern]

would love these on a good weapon... fuck

[gilded viper]

Axes are gross anyway. Embrace Dagger/DS/FS

[tight saddle]

I use a non deflector fs

[gilded viper]

I mean I still like the weapon without deflector

Deflector just alleviates the pain of high difficulty shooters

Also the rng for blessings is dumb

[grave bobcat]

Alright I need to find the correct claw sword I wanna use

[muted wyvern]

What about this void staff? Mine's pretty dogshit, been maining Surge, so...

[tight saddle]

there is a hidden cleave "bleed through" modifier on weapons tucked into cleave damage/mass that works in really fucky ways until we as a community figure it out. It allows weapons to cleave through more enemies than the regular cleave/stagger stats would make you believe

[muted wyvern]

idk what's more disappointing, bad shops, or shops that are like almost good, but not quite there

[tight saddle]

the zealots discuss it more because, well, they're the melee class

[night marten]

not bad at all, pretty good actually, *need to get quell on weakspot hit blessing

[azure goblet]

Going out with a Bang doesnt work on Malice btw, gotta do Heresy

[tight saddle]

it's what causes my slaughterer double crit fs to cleave through more things than a fs should

[muted wyvern]

yeah, I'll snag it, why the fuck not I guess. Like I said, my current one is real bad. hope it gets the quell blessing...

[tight saddle]

too bad fs has dogshit base crit

[grave bobcat]

Truu 😦

[night marten]

yea I almost feel like it's mandatory for void, *to be considered really good

[muted wyvern]

yeah it's on my current one, but that thing is 346

[amber nest]

Like this one? 😛

[mild canopy]

any feats for buffing BB? on heresy it takes like 3-4 bb's to kill reapers bulwarks and so on, feels awful

[night marten]

if you already have a 346 with at least 60% damage and quell on weakspot, that's probably better unless the new one gets that blessing too

[tight saddle]

the tactical axe is the "better" combat knife playstyle of hit fast hit hard, but it has less mobility than a combat knife

[echo parrot]

drools

[night marten]

having near-infinite peril is just too useful

[tight saddle]

idk which is the better tacaxe though

[muted wyvern]

yeah we get it, you blew the emperor... jesus

[grave bobcat]

I think someone has stolen all the claw swords dmg

[amber nest]

Eh, I still don't have a decent Purgatus

[grave bobcat]

they hit like paper lol

[amber nest]

The staff I really wanted, so...

[ebon jolt]

I’m with you in weapons that feel like they need certain blessings to be really good. Like deflector on force sword or transfer peril on void staff.

[amber nest]

I guess the trick is to want a different weapon than the one you'll get

[devout belfry]

Ah, I see you know the old ways.

[ebon jolt]

I do too because my non-deflector FS is so much better stat wise than my deflector FS.

[echo parrot]

Respect for Marriage Act was just signed into law. I am eating steak tonight lol.

Celebration time.

[ebon jolt]

Does anyone think Blazing Spirit is good? Seems pretty bad unless you can get it on a flame staff 🤔

[grave bobcat]

I want to try and make a build around it

[amber nest]

Yeah, it's the blessing I'll be rolling off when I can

[grave bobcat]

But haven't sene it on a sword yuety

yet*

[hot tulip]

OH NO WAY

[grave bobcat]

LO

[hot tulip]

that was a whole

summary for talent traits

Alright one sec

[grave bobcat]

Wtf Music4THerapy posted that fukcing Wall of China worth of text

And he swerved it

[amber nest]

I'll probably go for Warp Nexus or Terrifying Barrage on that staff I just linked

[ebon jolt]

You’d prefer Warp Nexus over Warp Flurry?

[amber nest]

I mean, 4 stacks of 5% crit...

[ebon jolt]

But you kill all mobs anyways. What’s crit going to do for you?

[amber nest]

Do more damage to the specials in the horde

[tight saddle]

the void staff rmb orb keeps going as long as it still has damage left, critting means it goes through more enemies meaning AoEing more or hitting specials/elites behind hordes or more specials/elites

[grave bobcat]

I think the Mk VII claw sword

Feels the best atm

But I don't know if it has tech

[hot tulip]

BB traits are kind of meh right now, and the talent choices you pick are better off on other playstyles for psyker, but I am here to help as much as I can. Lets look at your first set of talent 10 traits which is Wrack and Ruin- Soulblaze is literal dogshit rn and is not worth taking over Psy Wrath and inner tranquility, both of which actually help you get out more BBs or give BB more damage. Your next best is Cerebral Laceration at 15, but then you compete with Psykinetic Aura and Communion; Aura is better here because it will provide you more CD for your best BB skill coming in at 30, and is generally more helpful for your team overall. Cerebral lacerations isnt worth it because by the time you are done casting, your teammates would have either killed it by now, OR, the target itself dies in less than 5 seconds, which is more than enough time for any special on screen. Finally, you get to your 30 skill, which is kinetic barrage, which is the best BB talent out there.

bruh who got the space bot

test

[grave bobcat]

Bnnaed

[hot tulip]

WHAT THE

[tight saddle]

is it this?

[ebon jolt]

As long as it has damage left or as long as the orb killed whatever it hit? The damage to the original target doesn’t subtract from the damage to the next target does it?

[hot tulip]

Okay also @mild canopy long story short is, BB talents are trash rn; you literally skip about 80 percent of them

You are much better off picking other talents to support your staff than BB

[lethal folio]

Critting has nothing to do with the cleave.

[zinc phoenix]

I pick talents to support my force sword

[hot tulip]

Cerebral laceration is in a VERY TOUGH SPOT to contend with both Psykinetic Aura and Communion, both at 15

I would suggest moving cerebral laceration down lower on the talent line

but im no dev

The fact that one of our only BB skills has to compete with such a great talent such as aura and communion is outright dogwater

[zinc phoenix]

I think we all use pretty much the same build with maybe one or two talent changes tbh

[hot tulip]

not to mention soulblaze being in such a sad state rn

[jade geode]

BB should be a damage-over-time channel that either continues dealing damage until they die (and it plays the pop animation) or you run out of peril.
Would solve the scaling issue, would solve the "kill stealing" issue of not being able to keep your stacks, would make it feel more smooth and efficient on already-damaged targets.

[gray stone]

Communion really should be baseline. It's way too good to pass up. Barring an entire re-work of warp charges, anyway.

[grave bobcat]

Ok no

I'm not using a clawsword

These hing are awful

[covert cosmos]

im fine with bb atm

[sick kindle]

I just want BB to insta kill elites and specials across the board in all difficulties and I feel that's a fair ask for how much peril they gen and how long it takes to charge, in which a veteran could do in half the time.

[covert cosmos]

i do think bolter is kinda nuts though

[magic burrow]

Psykinetic should have two sub-classes. One based on brain burst, and one based on staves. Right now, the class is meant to be played with staves, but the feats try to push you towards brain burst. It's kind of a schizophrenic design.

[zinc phoenix]

I’d rather have it be quick, high impact and on a cool down. Standing around wiggling my fingers is not engaging gameplay

[covert cosmos]

hard for anything to compete with bolter squad

[ebon jolt]

Mk1 claw sword has a good move set. Probably just need rampage and sweeping strike to make it good for horde clear.

[magic burrow]

Psyker*

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I'd need to roll good blessing but only have one of them :p

[sick kindle]

It would at least make it a viable anti armor skill at higher difficulties and worth using. If instant kill sounds OP that's balanced by the fact there's more spawns in higher difficulties so it shouldn't matter cuz BB still slow AF

[hot tulip]

I want Cerebral lacerations to be moved to another talent line altogether, i'd be hard pressed to take one of own only few BB skills (which really isnt that effective) compared to Psykinetic Aura (teamwide CD reduction on special+ kill) or communion (free charges)

[jade geode]

Hnmm... interesting idea. I suppose that could work as well, but would require more rework of the ability.

[grave bobcat]

Try one o the tac axes I gues

[tight saddle]

and remember total rating will let you hit other breakpoints and stuff as well, so testing on grey-blue can also impact tests

[hot tulip]

What would even be sadder is if they put cerebral lacerations in the same line as Kinetic Deflection

this would kill me on the inside

[ebon jolt]

Claw swords are similar to heavy swords. I’m one of the few people who likes using a HS on my zealot 😓

[grave bobcat]

Hmm nott sure what yo mean

[magic burrow]

mind in motion should be baseline IMO

[grave bobcat]

I haven't used a HS yet I only have a Psyker 😦

[zinc phoenix]

It’s less good than you think. The ammo consumption is nuts and you massively overkill most mobs so you don’t get a lot of value per shot. Iron sights are good but at distance small errors compound. Holster pull to round down range time is not great so anything that surprises you while the gun is stashed will need to melee’d. Against hordes it is just not very good even with the piercing shots because you’ll be empty by the next one. Great secondary weapon for a zealot, iffy as the primary for a vet

[ebon jolt]

They’re basically claw swords with higher cleave. Swap out finesse and mobility for defense and first target.

[tight saddle]

your total rating on all your equipment gives you more power, which gives more damage, damage reduction, and I think maybe stagger (I forget the stagger.) it's what +Power on Sluaghterer boosts

[hot tulip]

coming in 2030 and after odd Psyker nerfs

[grave bobcat]

Huh really?

Well ironically my rating would've been alot hgiher with the claw swords cause theyr'e all 420+

[tight saddle]

it's why you can get away with low rating weapons, since your other stuff pushes them up to a higher power than the weapon itself is

[grave bobcat]

Interesting

[river sand]

thats just not true

[zinc phoenix]

IMO for vet it’s hard to argue with the trusty kantrael mg xii

[covert cosmos]

bolter blows up any armored units better than a melee wep

and you get plenty of ammo for it as a vet

[zinc phoenix]

If you have someone else for horde clear sure

[covert cosmos]

it does make dealing with horde a pain tho

thankfully

[tight saddle]

the total power rating boosts the base stats from the base rating as well.

[covert cosmos]

everyone in matchmaking LOVES horde clear

[grave bobcat]

See

[zinc phoenix]

Yes it’s great at nuking crushers but bulwarks just reeee

[grave bobcat]

I said this yesterday

lol

[magic burrow]

isnt the power rating of an item just all the ratings from the stats, perks etc combined

[sick kindle]

Boltor also requires significantly more trigger discipline than the Kaentrael. It's really quite easy to go 'Whats an ammo economy' then be panicking over ammo pickups three minutes after a horde and some excessive firing.

[zinc phoenix]

Nice thing about psyker is you can bring a horde clear stick and still have a lot of anti armor and anti elite firepower baked into your class

[river sand]

just no

[magic burrow]

I was under the impression item rating didnt really mean anything on its own

[river sand]

from where do you get your information

item rating in darktide is not like in vermintide. its just a indicator for how powerfull a wepaon is, with basestats, perks and blessing combined. it does nothing for your character

[tight saddle]

I got smacked with a huge wall of text and clips from some people that were testing it when I said it's not true, I said it didn't work like it did in Vermintide 2 with the Hero Power stat being showed, and they convinced me with everything they showed me. I don't have any of it saved, but I'm waiting for a coherent guide to come out once everything is compiled.

[zinc phoenix]

Yep. I’m ammo conscious to a fault — although in one game some hogs left me with literally fifty rounds left on my kantrael as a vet which is just 😱 — but I see plenty of red ammo vets.

[grave bobcat]

Mk II combat axe seems fun

[tight saddle]

I too thought it didn't work like Vermintide.

[magic burrow]

I fear no man, but Ragers invading my personal space make me cry like a scared little girl

[zinc phoenix]

I’m currently messing with plasma gun to see how it goes. The damage output on that bad boy is 🍌

[zinc phoenix]

Shout then stick em with the revved force sword. They go down hard

[long wharf]

double checks which class chat this is

[zinc phoenix]

May have to do it again on higher difficulties

[grave bobcat]

Oh shit

[sick kindle]

Is anyone else thoroughly addicted to MK V duel sword super sliding?

[grave bobcat]

Mk VII tac axe is just the axe version of a dagger lmao

[tight saddle]

as of now you can just dismiss me as "trust me bro" until the community figures it out and has concrete information

[zinc phoenix]

No I like being able to do more than tickle damage to enemies 🤷‍♀️

[tight saddle]

it's the non-meme version of zealot daggers for zealots. Tacaxe is what Knifelots graduate to.

[grave bobcat]

Circle ofl ife

[magic burrow]

I bring a chainsword on assassination mission just so I can hump the captain to death

[tight saddle]

When a little knife Zealot hits puberty their combat knife grows into a tactical axe.

[sick kindle]

What do you use on Psyker? FS?

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah imo it’s pretty strong altho chainsword is also a LOT of fun on psyker

[grave bobcat]

When Psyker loses his shit and starts hacking away at people with an axe like its a dagger

It's base crit is pretty insane too

[covert cosmos]

dueling sword power attacks actually hurt quite a bit

[zinc phoenix]

Axe psyker feels over specialized in anti armor to me

[zinc phoenix]

Carapace boys like 😂

[rain jetty]

About to start my Psyker, what do ya'll think is the best voice?

[tight saddle]

it's a good sign, people are starting to realize that every weapon has value for different playstyles and are all usable in Damnation just fine regardless of certain people saying "don't use X because it's trash and useless, use Y instead."

[covert cosmos]

maybe its cuz i have the rending blessing

[ebon jolt]

It’s great until you hit half ammo and realize you can’t reload to vent heat anymore 😑

[magic burrow]

whats the point of the staff special attack poke? Is it just a meme or is there a legitimate use for it

[covert cosmos]

i have not had issues doing dmg with dueling sword

[magic burrow]

I use it to poke the ceiling in elevators

[zinc phoenix]

By far most popular is dreamer. French lady is number 2, I don’t think I’ve ever heard the third

[sick kindle]

Two overheads with the roll I have usually gets rid of a Mutie on Damnation. An FS overcharge isn't going to help me kill armor in a reasonable time frame at that level so I don't give a crap and just CC them until a kin flayer proc.

[zinc phoenix]

Fair call

[tight saddle]

I'm fond of my Savant, if feels like a normal person that knows how fucked up the 40K universe is and they want none of it.

[grave bobcat]

Weapon acquired

[zinc phoenix]

If you hold it down after the poke it does a massive swing with stagger all around you

[runic hornet]

is it really massive?

Because I tried it and it couldn't stagger a rager

[zinc phoenix]

The swing is, idk about the stagger

It seems way too slow to be useful in any way

[runic hornet]

which is the benchmark for "can it save my ass"

[grave bobcat]

I don't think I have ever used the staffs special

[tight saddle]

I use it when I can because funny

[zinc phoenix]

I bonk the occasional pox walker with it

[grave bobcat]

Like i just forgot about it completely

damn

the memes..

[zinc phoenix]

I wish the staff special was like the grenadier gauntlet one: you shove the staff into the face of something and let off a massive burst of warp stank

[jade geode]

Since I didn't see an answer from anyone else:
It's a leftover from a previous iteration of the system. Previously, swapping from ranged to melee had a delay, (the way that swapping from melee to ranged still does) so it made some sense to have an oh shit panic button to bop an enemy that got too close.
But now that you can instantly swap-block, or swap and then attack with a much stronger, more effective melee weapon, it redundant and defunct.

[covert cosmos]

my dueling sword actually out dps my axe on armored enemies

it does not stun though

[zinc phoenix]

Your dueling sword must be really good ngl

Do you have maxed out rending or something?

[covert cosmos]

lol it is.. and my axe isnt the best

[magic burrow]

new Psyker penance, kill a grenade bomber with the staff special attack on heresy difficulty

[runic hornet]

define armored

flak scab helmets?

[zinc phoenix]

Please no 😂

[runic hornet]

Because the headshot multiplier on dueling swords is nutty

[covert cosmos]

10% rending

[runic hornet]

So I wouldn't be surprised there

[jade geode]

Inarticulate screaming and hairpulling

[zinc phoenix]

You could probably do it if another psyker kept holding and releasing brain burst on the dang thing

Eventually anyway

[tight saddle]

I'd prefer to baseball bat a burster mid jump lmfao

[covert cosmos]

carapace helmet

[grave bobcat]

The Mk VIIi combat axe has such meaty swings

Like its PERSONAL kinda swings

[tight saddle]

axes in this game have some amazing feeling attacks, too bad they're not swords or else I'd use them

[covert cosmos]

yea it looks like its the headshot multi giving dueling the edge

axe body hits are way stronger than dueling sword body hits

[acoustic spade]

Whats the fastest diamantine farm map, and does difficulty have any effect on farm rate? Asking for a Purgatus Staff

[grave bobcat]

T5

Dia spwans more on highest

[night marten]

difficulty greatly affects drop rate. you want t3 minimum, harder mission = more dia

[tight saddle]

Do Damnation and then you'll have thousands of Diamantite and no Plasteels

[zinc phoenix]

But what if I have loads of it and no plasteel 😢

[acoustic spade]

I dont got no friends that want to run Damnation and I dont want to join pubbies to grief

[sick kindle]

I just want mats on completion, not gathered through mission. Would really make people stop dragging their heels looking through every damn room, splitting up then dying in pugs.

[night marten]

speedrun low difficulty missions searching for more

[zinc phoenix]

🤮

[grave bobcat]

I'm in the same boat

[hot tulip]

vox channels-LFG

[zinc phoenix]

I only really play the game to see monsters go boom

[grave bobcat]

But I just can't find malice and below fun

[tight saddle]

I did 2 Malice runs a few days ago and it made me hate the game

[grave bobcat]

Like it's not engaging at all

[kindred edge]

Is there a consensus on which dueling sword is the best?

[tight saddle]

had to take a break after that

[zinc phoenix]

I like high intensity malice but anything lower and I spend most of my time walking around waiting for something to happen

[grave bobcat]

Someone mentioned it earlier

I think its mk 2? DS

[sick kindle]

Because it put you to sleep out of tedium/easiness?

[grave bobcat]

Bro high intensity Dman

Was AMAIZNG

Like super fun

[acoustic spade]

thats still random people, I dont want to grief random people

[tight saddle]

there was nothing to do, my surge staff alone was clearing whole rooms and elites lmfao

[zinc phoenix]

It’s fun doing malice with inexperienced pugs tho, things get wild

[grave bobcat]

Just not doing it solo cause that shit was crayz

[hot tulip]

dont worry friend

you are playing psyker, you are already griefing || ||

[grave bobcat]

We're all lvl 30

they're not inexperienced 😛

fml

spelling jesus

[acoustic spade]

Inexperiatiated

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[night marten]

then I guess plasteel doesn't matter

[acoustic spade]

inexpensive

[grave bobcat]

My fingers literally just doing waht they want

[tight saddle]

I want monsters go boom in certain ways, but the game doesn't give me the equipment I want for the different booms

first time I see this blessing

[zinc phoenix]

Or they could give me more plasteel in the modes I want to play 🧂

[grave bobcat]

I've only seen it once before

[night marten]

it's weird how it's less prevalent than dia at higher difficulties, wonder why they did that way. maybe to incentivize skilled players to have an excuse for running easier shit sometimes

[grave bobcat]

Dia and Plas share the same spawns

They just get taken over by Dia

[acoustic spade]

I wish Melk would sell me diamantine

[night marten]

or maybe it's just the costs that are the problem in crafting

[acoustic spade]

I got like 20 diamantine last run

and I need 90 more of it

[tidal elm]

it goes all the way up to +6 rending

[acoustic spade]

so 5 runs until I can upgrade my Purgatus staff to orange

[tidal elm]

What's the most important stats for a surge staff?

[zinc ether]

Good day spark'eads, could I borrow one of you to quickly help with an Ogryn penance? I'll help you with one of yours if so desired, like throwing a bunch of nerds off a cliff.

[night marten]

what kind of help you lookin for

[reef remnant]

Just curious what makes some people take the rapier over the force sword

[unkempt juniper]

mobility and style

but mostly mobility

[reef remnant]

yea that mobility is crazy

[unkempt juniper]

the mkv is faster than even the dagger

[zinc ether]

I just need you to stand in coherency and help me kill a bunch of elites to reset my ability.

[reef remnant]

Haven't messed with it too much so I should try it a bit

[unkempt juniper]

cus both the defence and mobility stat add dodge distance for some reason

[reef remnant]

Really? strange

[unkempt juniper]

mk4 and mk5 are good, mk2 is kinda meh

[lethal rain]

Yeah honestly changes the way you play the game with defense that high

[night marten]

dont have time at the moment, but maybe someone else will join in

[unkempt juniper]

yeah defense stat decreases stamina use and increases dodge distance and the mobility stat increases sprint speed and dodge distance/limit

[night marten]

someone should run psykinetic aura and stand next to @zinc ether for a while

[unkempt juniper]

so mk5 is probably the most mobile melee weapon in the game

[grave bobcat]

I'm goin t5 if anyone wanna come

[reef remnant]

I'm pretty sure I had a decent roll on one I picked up just to have sitting there for whenever, I'll have to try it next time I play

[unkempt juniper]

but the mk4 has 'the emperor protects' etched on the blade and has sexy thrust heavy attacks i love them

[hoary hearth]

any advice on pick n mix or do i just pray to the emperor for good rng?

[unkempt juniper]

and more cleave

[reef remnant]

cool thanks man I didn't know much about it

[unkempt juniper]

they don't have to be different types of elites, just different elites. 2 bb on the same elite does not count

[grave bobcat]

No t5 gamers, sadge

[gilded viper]

Chasm station assassination. Just keep restarting the opening of the mission until 5 gunners show up

[lethal rain]

Good rng and an Ogryn with shield helping you

[frozen flame]

is there an update tomorrow?

[gilded viper]

Yes

2 new weapons, likely both ogryn weapons

Not sure on crusher

[frozen flame]

hmmm

[reef remnant]

I imagine it's going to be both ogryn

[gilded viper]

Indignatus Crusher is such a weird name is the problem

Big word for an ogryn

[reef remnant]

yea lol

[unkempt juniper]

could be a 2nd powerhammer

[grave bobcat]

His mum gave it him

[gilded viper]

Power maul confirmed tho. Good for ogryn.

[unkempt juniper]

it's gonna be either stupid op or underpowered on release, mark my words

[frozen flame]

Wonder if they're going to update the store after all the backlash with the aquilas

Imagine they would anyway

[unkempt juniper]

they said they would

[dusky lantern]

they just need more suckers to buy aquilas before removing it, to maximize the juice

[undone quiver]

Puhlease, the proper cynical answer is it will be released as "coming soon"

[frozen flame]

I mean kinda hope so tbh at least its something new to look at in the hub

I just sign in every hour or so and check the RNG shop rn waiting for crafting update tomorrow

[blissful stone]

level wise when does psykher get access to bolters in store? out of curiosity

[acoustic spade]

I just want diamantine

[grave bobcat]

Lmao

We dont

But I imagined out little arms being blown off by itt

[acoustic spade]

Your mind is the bolter

[grave bobcat]

I'd put a 50 cal through it you're damn right

Oh, thats my Vets name I guess

50Cal

[blissful stone]

i swear i had a psyk + a preacher running a bolter last game which was the first time i saw that (not the bolter, but a psyker using it vs staves)

vets i think get bolters, and preachers i know do- but that is it?

[acoustic spade]

Zealots get bolters too

[idle shuttle]

thats one of them "gun psych"s. be sure to votekick

[acoustic spade]

oh you already said it

but yeah thats it

[blissful stone]

so they do and shouldnt be using it clearly since there is no point to it obv- in terms of my experience as a support or crowd managment psyk where ammo=peril...

[idle shuttle]

youre stealing ammo and not CCing. you have 0 gun feats

one thing is to not CC but also guzzle ammo

[echo parrot]

When the Omnisiah gives you guns, carry an entire Damnation run with an autopistol and let the whole world wonder how you did it.

[burnt python]

rofl this conversation still going huh

[idle shuttle]

however yeah if big E gifts you a gun.. is it not disrespect not to use it

[blissful stone]

it seems counter productive as a psyk to use a "ranged" [non peril mechanic] wep i mean in anything other than your melee slot- but i am only L15 [vet is now also 15 but is not as enjoyable in terms of their lack of massive AOE or stagger or other weapons that only gen peril which in the scope of things makes the psyk a bit rediculous [albeit i am not a fan of the force sword uniques we get as a class thus far- which i know goes against what i said- though still doesnt use resources the rest of the team does require. maybe there are non stave/ "ammo using ranged weapon" setups i havent thought of- but i would assume that is niche or frowned on for the reasons you just spoke of in the prior remarks..

[echo parrot]

I bring a lasgun into damnation, fire all rounds into the ground as soon as the game starts, and then swap to my knife.

[kindred edge]

holy shit dude. use some punctuation

[burnt python]

ana have you tried crucian roulette w/ your knife?

seems fun

[idle shuttle]

he used -

[kindred edge]

MOAR