psyker-class

[weary wasp]

The damage on that is so shit that you'd need a bunch of elites at low hp already

[tribal granite]

The best one is Daemonhost going "Blessed Emperor, why have you forsakened me ?"

[severe folio]

everything in the game exist to belittle you

[woven bridge]

Wtb vortex power staff for Psyker, OR as a power for next subclass.

[vestal finch]

Fire! Death! Renewal!

[analog juniper]

that one is good too

[weary wasp]

Tbh that sounds like a real good power and a real shit staff

[grave bobcat]

Its trauma but with swirls

[vestal finch]

Especially when the tox flamer spams it

[severe folio]

a staff that push enemies back

and make wal

to pound them up in the air

[tribal granite]

Psyker subclass that buffs teammates

[grave bobcat]

Go on

[weary wasp]

Psyker that's actually as good as siena

[woven bridge]

Something like the anomaly power in Mass Effect

[severe folio]

laser staff

ehehehehe

[tribal granite]

Accatran mk7 psyker > Sienna

[severe folio]

just shoot a continuous lasgun beam

[analog juniper]

Gun Psyker = HERESY

[tribal granite]

You have to try it

It's awesome

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-no-no-40k-gif-24271093

[tribal granite]

passive peril quell is awesome too

[severe folio]

librarian

[analog juniper]

I've tried it

[weary wasp]

Or just be a vet and press f

[high thunder]

is that true that the psyker can no longer use the combat shotgun?

[tribal granite]

who needs that perk to quell peril without slowdown when you can just quell it by shooting shit

[tribal granite]

I'm sorry can a veteran blow someone's head up

[analog juniper]

it just makes me feel like a bootleg Vet with worse abilities

[severe folio]

yes

[tribal granite]

what if he doesn't have ammo ?

[fluid vessel]

Oh my GOD

I still failed on Vigil Station

[analog juniper]

haha, Plasma go HweHEEEw

[fluid vessel]

Because of ANOTHER FLAMER

I swear I'm going to have Zealot players executed

[severe folio]

when did ever a veteran, orgyn or zealot run out of ammo

[weary wasp]

Yeah, and the upper body along with it. Bolter is funny like that

[grave bobcat]

This

[fluid vessel]

"It's Haz 2, I better play really sweaty and hold down the bridge with a flamer"

[severe folio]

literally

never

[tribal granite]

Did you know that force push doesn't stop reloads on ranged ?

[grave bobcat]

We don't even run out of ammo using the las gun lmfao

[severe folio]

honestly the fact this guy can run psyker with gun

means how spare ammo is

[analog juniper]

the F push is pretty trash tbh

very inconsistent

[grave bobcat]

Meh I rarely use it

[severe folio]

i should level up zealot next

with boltor and hammer

[analog juniper]

of course you dont, Veteran

[fluid vessel]

Fuck it, I'm gonna run Haz 3 before I should

Just to force a horde I can push off a ledge

[grave bobcat]

Just cause y'all can't aim don't be throwin shade

[severe folio]

in this game do we have something like

toughness gating ?

[grave bobcat]

Waiting for that 1 shot mutant clip

lol

[fluid vessel]

Because there's fucking Level 30s on Haz 2 playing sweaty and killing all the hordes on sight

It shouldn't be that hard to get like 10 dudes on me I can push

But I keep getting Veterans spamming nades and Flamer Zealots

[severe folio]

they want to protect the little wizard

[grave bobcat]

Hmm not sure how I feel about haymaker on my dagger 🤔

[weary wasp]

Nope. Ranged goons at damnation eat toughness for lols

Wrong response

[grave bobcat]

😦

[severe folio]

well

[fluid vessel]

Toughness in this game is amazingly unfair

[severe folio]

ok but

thats not the definition of gating

[fluid vessel]

Literally everyone but Veteran has awful Toughness scaling

[analog juniper]

imagine not simply blocking the bullets with your warp powers

[fluid vessel]

Veteran can easily get 250+

So you get nuked on higher diff by ranged mobs if the ranged classes aren't clearing properly

[grave bobcat]

I mean that s just how it be

You need someone to clear ranged

[severe folio]

gating is when you have an amount of health/armor whatever, and you take damage greater than your armor or something and it doesnt bleed over into your main health

so like

[fluid vessel]

Veteran can deadass ignore ranged mobs

Because he has amazing toughness -and- a skill that gives him permanent toughness regen if he's not in melee

[grave bobcat]

Ehhh

[severe folio]

for say you have 5 toughness, a shot coming at you deals 10 damage

[versed karma]

I haven't played the CBT, but I recall from a few people stagger from incoming fire and the nerfed dodging made the diff 4/5 way more harder

[severe folio]

do you take 5 toughness damage and 5 health or just 5 toughness

[analog juniper]

and a feat that lets enemies ignore them when they stand still

[grave bobcat]

I'm currently full stacked gunner resist

And they still chunk me too

So Vet isn't THAT free

[fluid vessel]

The X resist traits are worthless, just like in VT2

If they wanted them to be impactful it should be a +30 % cap, not 15 %

[grave bobcat]

20% is the cap

[fluid vessel]

If you really wanna build to resist 90 % of sniper damage, you should be able to

[weary wasp]

Also -75 gun damage reduction while in ability. Combo that with lvl 30 one that highlights all shooters and refreshes the duration on their kill. Plus no supression on top for fun

[fluid vessel]

That's not overpowered

[grave bobcat]

I do have 93% resist

lmao

Funny

[analog juniper]

93 resist to snipers?

[grave bobcat]

Gunners

[weary wasp]

But that's the gunner elites only from what I understand

[grave bobcat]

Sniper resist sounds pointless

[fluid vessel]

All resist is pointless

[grave bobcat]

Bro I want any ranged resist I can get

[fluid vessel]

You're giving up an universal trait for a small reduction to how much a specific special will screw you

[worthy wasp]

Ehh, the thing is noobs to fatshark games don't realize youre not supposed to be taking damage period

[potent echo]

Just d0nT gET hIt

[grave bobcat]

Me and Klip meant to test that earlier toady lol

[fluid vessel]

Like if you want "resistance" just use a health trinket

[grave bobcat]

This tbh

[fluid vessel]

So the sniper doesn't instakill you

[grave bobcat]

When tf does a sniper kill you lo

If y'all gettin hit by that

Thats a you issue

[fluid vessel]

On higher Hazards they deal 50+% of your HP bar

[grave bobcat]

I play only t5

[fluid vessel]

And there's times you don't get properly warned

[worthy wasp]

Ppl mad they die and dont stop to think its 100% because their shitty positioning

[weary wasp]

Yeah, so does it work on regulars? Actual question

[grave bobcat]

I play with music on, Keth laughed at me yesterday cause I actually didn't know there is a snper sound queue

[fluid vessel]

You can't position to a sniper, there's some REALLY bad angles

[potent echo]

Yea sometimes you get hit but like it's not game ending

[grave bobcat]

We're not 100% sure yet but it looks like it does

[fluid vessel]

I've been shot from behind high cover before

Like the sniper deadass shoots you through cover you can't shoot through

[weary wasp]

Based

[grave bobcat]

Sound like a skill issue dawg

[glossy ember]

i see thanks

[potent echo]

The real issue is if your hp is low enough it means you do be taking too much damage in general

[weary wasp]

I had sniper shoot me through spawn door

[analog juniper]

shitty positioning? when they literally spawn reapers and gunners out of thin air before your eyes?
when they materialize entire hordes in the air and drop then 5mm next to you?

[fluid vessel]

okay epic guy

[grave bobcat]

I think sniper 1 taps me if they hit me at full 100% hp and toughness. Not sure I haven't been hit at full

Thanks mna

[worthy wasp]

Ye

[analog juniper]

k

[versed karma]

Yeah, seen some whacky shit with the ranged AI as well

[potent echo]

If you were hit sprinting you take more damage

[grave bobcat]

Like I don't know I can't remember last time I was hit by 1

[weary wasp]

Do elites even spawn?

[drowsy fog]

snipers just hurt man

[weary wasp]

Outside of ambient

[potent echo]

Yes

[grave bobcat]

But huh

[worthy wasp]

If all enemies spawned in front of you this game would go from being easy to being braindead

[grave bobcat]

DIdn't know they did more dmg to you cause sprinting

[versed karma]

I had an instance where a Psyker was hangin on to an edge, under the stairs

[grave bobcat]

Fun to learn

[runic hornet]

if a sniper spawns, and he lasers from your flank/behind you, you won't even see the jiggling laser, which only happens if you're moving

so imagine being behind the barrel of your lasgun or bolter and the njust VWOOP BAM

[tribal granite]

TBH avoiding getting snipered is 75% listening to voice lines

[grave bobcat]

You're a boomer though

[tribal granite]

before you can spot one someone goes "SNIPAH"

[runic hornet]

voice lines only consistently play when you're walking into them

[analog juniper]

I'm not talking about a horde coming from around you, I'm talking about enemies spawning out of a solid wall in front of you and literally above you in mid air while outside

[grave bobcat]

So you can't react lmao

YOUR WORDS

[analog juniper]

its bs

[weary wasp]

You better beat the shit out of dodge button the moment you hear that lock in sound from anywhere

[runic hornet]

if it's a fresh spawn that happens midfight while other callouts are being made, the sniper callout literally just doesn't happen

[analog juniper]

and of course silently

[runic hornet]

so, enjoy your VWOOPBAM

[worthy wasp]

A Comprehensive Guide on How to Win t5 Missions consistently:

1. Stick with the group

2. Use your ears to listen for cues, and use your eyes to see.

3. GGEZ

[paper trail]

Does that actually always happen though I don't feel like it always does. Like if nobody is actually looking that direction. I know I've been shot in the back a few times and knocked off edges unexpectedly but not sure would need to video and check again afterwards

[grave bobcat]

I play with with music on I didn't know until I was told yesterday that Snipers have an audio cue lmfao

I still don't know what it sounds like lol

[worthy wasp]

Ppl have trouble with step 1

[tribal granite]

what's the best base weapon stat number to try T5

[weary wasp]

All elites do

[tribal granite]

330-350 ?

[grave bobcat]

Music is better

[worthy wasp]

Sticking with group is incredibly difficult for some

[weary wasp]

Specials*

[runic hornet]

I just need my tubes man

[grave bobcat]

Yeah, sniper I can't hear though

Rest I can

[potent echo]

Isn't step 1 know how to fight 2 maulers without panicking and dying

[dawn patrol]

That's always the group fault not to stick with me.
I'm the brain after all

[grave bobcat]

Time to see if anyone is queuing yet

[worthy wasp]

Ppl dont realize

More specials spawn when coherency isnt 4

[tribal granite]

source ?

[cyan notch]

dude trust me

[worthy wasp]

More specials also spawn when ammo is low

[grave bobcat]

Ammo?

[potent echo]

Idk about ammo

[grave bobcat]

How do I reload staff

[worthy wasp]

Ye

[runic hornet]

more specials spawn when jupiter is in retrograde

[dawn patrol]

More ammo spawn when you are a psyker

[worthy wasp]

Psykers always count as full if using staff

[grave bobcat]

A foreign concept

[runic hornet]

it's a -tide game, there are always specials

[dawn patrol]

Because f... you

[grave bobcat]

you approach us with

[potent echo]

And I'm pretty sure the wording of combine00 isnt more specials spawn

[halcyon arch]

Hey I'm kinda new to this whole system, but is it possible to reduce how much Peril each attack gives me?

I know some weapons have a reduction and there is a Feat that reduces the build-up but honestly, so far everything seems to either do nothing or it's so negligible that I might as well not care about it.

Is there any good ways to actually make a difference?

[potent echo]

But there is a higher chance the spawn targets the alone player

[cyan notch]

most specials spawn after switching weapons too many times

[analog juniper]

Spam "need ammo" when playing with the staff

[grave bobcat]

Level up and get better weapons

Wait

can you do that

[worthy wasp]

Just look at the ui portraits, when multiple teammates have yellow ammo icon its more likely specials appear

[runic hornet]

there's a talent that can amp up to 24% warp resistance
and if you're not 30 yet, get there
psyker sticks scale EXTREMELY hard with power/level so if you're not 30 yet, your staffs are a mere shadow of what they could be

[analog juniper]

Peril resist feat and warp resistance stat/blessings

[tribal granite]

just use accatran lmao

[analog juniper]

Heretic

[runic hornet]

Voidstrike with quell-on-headshot literally goes perils positive

[cyan notch]

ah yes so if you play with 4 psykers specials dont spawn

[runic hornet]

You shoot min-charge RMBs and go from 100 perils to 0

[cyan notch]

[dawn patrol]

R is the key, and the key is R.
You should press R when you are not doing anything else.
And don't forget F for when R wouldn't cut it

[tribal granite]

Well there is also the secret technique of peril quelling

[edgy hearth]

Think I got a pretty solid axe roll. Can't remember what brittleness does though

[tribal granite]

by multikill

[runic hornet]

also, nonforce weapons quell passively extremely quickly

[halcyon arch]

What are the psyker sticks?

[analog juniper]

the director actually seems to spawn enemies that are counters to each class

[tribal granite]

When you multikill, you are more likely to trigger "10% chance to quell 10% peril" thing

[runic hornet]

I play basic mk1 sword + trauma staff

[worthy wasp]

I think you're memeing... but in case you arent.

I said additional specials spawn on top of the many that already spawn

[cyan notch]

like what

[cyan notch]

i dont believe you in the slightest

[runic hornet]

dogs

[analog juniper]

but 4 surge psykers dont have much of a weakness

[runic hornet]

the director just spawns lots and lots of dogs

Why? because fucking dogs, man

[tribal granite]

just force push them

and bb

[analog juniper]

more gunners, dogs and a mutant every 3 min

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/LX9N1d8xWV-et/FEcWaUbKPOZc?invite=cr-MSxNQVYsNDg2MDU3NTUs how do dogs even work

[dawn patrol]

Dogs aren't hard counter, you can bash them when they pounce

[cyan notch]

how are those specific counters to each class

[worthy wasp]

Dont need to believe me, I just have absurd hours in vt2 and carry plebs in dt t5s with ease

[runic hornet]

basic poxwalkers hard counter that

[grave bobcat]

Look at this bad BOI

klmfao

[worthy wasp]

Just trying to spread knowledge, because 90% of the playerbase appears to be braindead

[analog juniper]

gunners are harder to deal with as psyker, unless you are a Heretical gun psyker like @grave bobcat and @tribal granite

[dawn patrol]

I love the "low engagement" modifier... no horde but spawn of specials every seconds.
And not just some specials: 2-3 of each most of the time

[high thunder]

what is the most enjoyable psyker build?

[cyan notch]

i definitely dont believe you

[tribal granite]

Isn't gunner literally 1 BB to kill

[cyan notch]

considering your "absurd hours in vt2"

[worthy wasp]

There isnt 360 block in vt2 you braindead moron

[runic hornet]

No, that's true

[worthy wasp]

My god

[tribal granite]

or are you talking about reapers

[runic hornet]

blocking from behind doesn't cost any extra stamina

[dawn patrol]

Not after difficulty 3

[runic hornet]

versus in vt2 where blocking outside your effective radius costs double stamina

[analog juniper]

yes BB the 14 shooters and 8 gunners backed by a reaper and some bulwarks while a mutant is coming with bombers

ez

[worthy wasp]

I listen to dumb mfers like you speak and it makes me wonder how you function in society.

The same mfers that fk up my orders at the drive through

[tribal granite]

But in VT2 you had shitloads of stamina

[cyan notch]

? whos the braindead moron

[tribal granite]

Darktide has much much less stamina overall

[worthy wasp]

Its been legit days since we had that convo about 360 block, youve had more than enough time to test it yourself. Use your brain

[runic hornet]

nnnnnot really lol

[cyan notch]

bet you feel real stupid now huh

LOL

[runic hornet]

just a few weapons and the meta is to always have 30% block cost reduction

[tribal granite]

peek BB

[worthy wasp]

^^^^^

[zinc phoenix]

Ok so as dumb as it sounds this is a bad thing because it breaks the toughness on quell trait. I have a low peril voidstrike staff and i literally have to burn time BBing to get enough peril for my toughness

[worthy wasp]

Legit when you look at weapons in vt2 it shows the actual block radius on the weapon card

[weary wasp]

there always was

[zinc phoenix]

It’s so bad I’m switching back to warp charges for toughness

[tribal granite]

+2 from necklace, +2 from weapon, +extra Block Cost Reduction on stuff

[cyan notch]

[worthy wasp]

Outside the range you get heavily penalized

[weary wasp]

the block outside of cones on weapons is just penalty

but block is still there

[cyan notch]

YOU BRAINDEAD MORON I TOTALLY HAVE "ABSURD HOURS" IN VT2 IT DOESNT HAVE 360 BLOCK!!!!

[zinc phoenix]

Excuse me guys this is a Wendy’s

[cyan notch]

[worthy wasp]

The penalty doesnt exist in dt

[zinc phoenix]

Please take your vermintide conversation elsewhere

[weary wasp]

in that case its nice to have butt-chicks of steel that can catch blades

[worthy wasp]

Bruh, ppl flippin shit about semantics.

Struggling above t3 because small brain

[cyan notch]

its really not semantics

360 block is 360 block

[runic hornet]

1. no one serious took stam on necklace, people always took +20% hp and +30% block cost reduciton as the numerically two best statlines
2. no one took stam on weapons, +power lines to hit breakpoints were too important, or just 5/5+swiftslaying for brrrrrrrrr
3. the block cost reduction sources were either tank class passives/talents or auras

[worthy wasp]

Right, but ppl with brain understand what I mean by 360 block

[runic hornet]

the term "360 block radius" has a special meaning from vermintide

[worthy wasp]

Same with the dumbass that argued with me about what a horde is

[runic hornet]

mainly for certain builds/weapon combos that could actually get it

they're notable because they cause dumb shit to happen

[cyan notch]

i understand you dont wanna admit youre wrong but we both know you were

[runic hornet]

for example you get pushes that shove behind you

[tribal granite]

isn't block radius capped at 180 degrees

[runic hornet]

absolutely not
certain weapons have 180 degree base though

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve definitely been whacked in the butt in darktide while blocking 🤷‍♀️ but I haven’t gotten systematic about it

[worthy wasp]

Like most shield weaps

[tribal granite]

that was about VT2

[zinc phoenix]

Oh this is still vermintide, an entirely different game

[runic hornet]

it's very obviously the same engine

so a lot of terminology is either applicable or we need to discuss the differences between the two

[zinc phoenix]

There are a lot of differences

[runic hornet]

to whit: in darktide you effectively have 360 block radius

[worthy wasp]

Hence why ppl that played vt2 dunk on t5 dt with ease from the start

[runic hornet]

well

only the cata or "I play modded to feel anything" crowd

200% superkill ultra hardcore modded lmao

[worthy wasp]

Ye, cata 3 solo + bots here

[weary wasp]

1-3% player base with enough sweat to drown the rest in it

[bleak tulip]

you'd think those people would fuckin despise this game

[frigid marten]

Ogry shield have a 360 too or only whit the special?

[cyan notch]

they have the same block mechanics

[runic hornet]

everyone in darktide can block attacks from behind
and unlike in vermintide, blocking from behind does not cost extra stamina

[frail spire]

BB spam vs fire staff spam for bosses?

[cyan notch]

it does

[runic hornet]

fire, it's not even close

[cyan notch]

getting hit from behind costs more stamina

[worthy wasp]

Why? If anything, I'm one of the few vt2 players that didnt like the chaos wastes update and am happy for a fresh experience

[analog juniper]

All flesh tainted by chaos must be purged with holy flames

[runic hornet]

even with the +15% damage amp talent, if you have a purgatus staff I'm fairly certain it's correct for you to go in unless literally all 3 of your other teammates have flamers/bleed/purgatus as well

[bleak tulip]

just feels like people like you would be instantly bored because you spent 8000 hours getting unreasonably good at vt so whats even the point from a cata players perspective

[runic hornet]

I've paid attention to my stamina usage while reviving/rezzing while swiveling my camera toward the enemy and just looking away
it seems consistent to me

[bleak tulip]

that mindset just seems like it wouldnt appreciate the freshness for any longer than like a day before being bored

[runic hornet]

the big thing is that overheads aren't blockable at all in darktide

do you know how many times I died in the beta before I figured that out

It was an uncomfortable amount

[analog juniper]

additionally, the assassination targets are weak to melee

[zinc phoenix]

BB does a lot of damage to bosses

That said force sword poke is probably better

[cyan notch]

again same block system

[runic hornet]

The muscle memory of "I'll just go ham and then block the overhead at the last second"

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wargame-fantasy-blinking-serious-gif-16670315

[bleak tulip]

you an literally do more by just hitting it with a FS as psyker even on malice

[zinc phoenix]

Maybe a better phrasing is BB does a lot of damage to bosses but not a lot of damage per second

[analog juniper]

neither is true

[runic hornet]

Huh
then perhaps the consistent results are because... all blocks during revive cost the same?

[zinc phoenix]

Well it definitely chunks beast of nurgle in my testing

[runic hornet]

All blcoks during rescue are considered frontal blocks/blocks from behind, universally?

[cyan notch]

why would that be the case

[tribal granite]

You know what would be nice

[zinc phoenix]

But any damage over time does way more when stacked on a boss or monstrosity

Because big HP pool

[tribal granite]

Gaining warp charges on a BB CAST and not a BB KILL

[runic hornet]

I dunno, but I took a few clips seeing how my stamina usage chained when I blocked enemies while looking at them while rezzing, and while looking away

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly this, but I don’t care so much anymore because got my battery penance a while ago 😂

[runic hornet]

and it was the same

[bleak tulip]

somebody tap the sign

"Yes BB bad we know and agree"

[tribal granite]

You know what else would be cool

[runic hornet]

so I just concluded you don't use more stamina while blocking while looking away

[cyan notch]

you should test it again before assuming imo

[tribal granite]

+1% attack speed for warp charges

[fluid vessel]

First Haz 3 mission and I get Cliffhanger, thank christ

[tribal granite]

or +3% cast speed for warp charges

[fluid vessel]

As it turns out it was the braindead Haz 2 players holding me back, not my method

[grave bobcat]

Deal

[fluid vessel]

Easier to push a horde off a cliff when you don't have three other players mowing it down

[tribal granite]

welcome to the psyker hood gang

[analog juniper]

max of +6%? wow, a darktide tier buff right there

[zinc phoenix]

Warp charges already pretty good considering they’re a free damage boost with no trait etc investment

[grave bobcat]

A blessing to be sure

[zinc phoenix]

You just kinda get to be 12% better with stuff

[tribal granite]

Finesse stacking

[analog juniper]

meh

[fluid vessel]

Yeah the balancing on the trait buffs are so fucking pathetic

Why would I not just use +Toughness +Stamina and +Health if all the other buffs are garbage ?

[weary wasp]

this might be an unpopular opinion BUT

warp charges are pointless if the bonus is so low that it adds nothing to breakpoints

[grave bobcat]

Bro dont

I promise

its not worth it

[runic hornet]

certified ice cold take

[grave bobcat]

Delete it

[analog juniper]

someone posted a void staff with +1 soulblaze stack on critical hit

big meme

[zinc phoenix]

For BB? Or like in general?

[runic hornet]

I love how you can spot the MMO players from a mile away when they talk about "i need to be sure my stacks don't expire between fights!"

[fluid vessel]

Yeah the class passives are horrible, like genuinely horrible

Veteran gets one bullet for every special, wow!

[runic hornet]

that OCD need to have perfect uptime

[fluid vessel]

Psyker gets +1% damage per warp stack, WOW!

[cyan notch]

@worthy wasp wrong again sadly but now you know mr "cata 3 solo + bots"

[zinc phoenix]

Or people trying to get warp battery penance

[bleak tulip]

now if only void even really crit more than once in a blue moon we could have useless dot even on void

[runic hornet]

stop using revolver

[analog juniper]

lol

[runic hornet]

also, that passive gives the ogyrn 1 grenade per elite

which is crazy

rumbler ogyrn with a vet pal is bonkers

[zinc phoenix]

Wait I thought it was +3% damage per warp charge

[fluid vessel]

I've not seen a ranged weapon yet that has decent sustain on Veteran with his passive

[grave bobcat]

And boss fights don't even last long enough for their bonus to be higher dmg they forfeit maintaining 😛

[tribal granite]

it is, he's exaggerating

[fluid vessel]

Yeah +3 % my bad

[analog juniper]

it be do

[fluid vessel]

Still like, 16 % max on full charges

[runic hornet]

you're not supposed to be purely sustaining off of your passive
it just helps you get to the next ammo pickup which you also scale harder with

[drowsy fog]

had a zealot earlier tonight who was an absolute blur with a knife. 3 of us went down and we had to put photosensitivity warnings on spectating him dude was like an anime character

[analog juniper]

knife is just good

[tribal granite]

knife awesome

[analog juniper]

best on zealot

[tribal granite]

heavy punch heavy combo fucks single dudes

[zinc phoenix]

The vet aura that gives mild ammo refund? The point imo is to feed the rest of the team ammo so they don’t get salty when vet hogs it

[analog juniper]

but also the zealot has better weapons

[runic hornet]

not really

aside from the evis which is good but not THAT good

[zinc phoenix]

Thunder hammer is really good

[runic hornet]

A lot of zealots actually don't like it

[bleak tulip]

the real reason is "we dont know what aura to give to vet that makes thematic sense"

[runic hornet]

hahahahaha
the biggest complaint zealots have is that TH sucks

[zinc phoenix]

That’s because they’re bad tbh

[runic hornet]

Seriously, it has shit for damage

[analog juniper]

skill issues

[runic hornet]

You kill one poxwalker and lightly damage a second

[analog juniper]

the hammer damage is massive, but its quite clunky

[bleak tulip]

I like TH, but only on like malice :c

[runic hornet]

Meanwhile a basic mk1 sword can cleave 4 heads and kill ~6 in two swings

[analog juniper]

and the Evi is very good but also clunky

[drowsy fog]

fucking dumpalump was his name

[zinc phoenix]

Its a crowd control weapon like surge staff that flings the entire room around except it can also charge up and donk armored stuff hard as heck

[runic hornet]

that being said we're going nuts with the TH recovery-cancel tech now

[bleak tulip]

nothing quite as nice as killing a charging mutant with a charged TH, shame you dont get to do that on higher difficulties

[zinc phoenix]

I use TH regularly on my zealot on heresy and it’s great

[runic hornet]

If you see bosses mysteriously disappear

new recovery-cancel tech for TH

[echo parrot]

Knife superiority at it's finest

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve never liked doing weird stuff like cancels personally 🤷‍♀️

[grave bobcat]

SHES GOT A FOCKIN KNOIF

[drowsy fog]

no way I'd submit myself to that kind of carpal tunnel

[runic hornet]

TH special cancel is notably easy

It's not like weapon swap cancels

[bleak tulip]

compared to ogryn movesets that shit is a godsend

[runic hornet]

it's literally just 1 input

[zinc phoenix]

Yes but it’s also kinda cheesy so I don’t care for it

[runic hornet]

you hit "1" after you hit

[bleak tulip]

heavy light heavy light is not that clunky imo

[runic hornet]

and you go from the special attack recovery

[analog juniper]

ogryn weapons are shit tbh

[tidal adder]

Its gonna be patched too hopefully. One day

[runic hornet]

to drawing the hammer out again

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[runic hornet]

super simple

super effective

[zinc phoenix]

Super cheesy 🤷‍♀️

[runic hornet]

makes it viable to use the special against mixed horde

[zinc phoenix]

The real problem with the special is axe not having a force sword or evis style poke to go off with

[runic hornet]

you can go from heavy sweeps, to dodge back, charge, use a LIGHT bonk on a rager to finish it off then instantly cancel out of recovery to return to heavy sweeps

[tidal adder]

Its sad that you have to break the game to make some weapons actually usable. Whats more sad is theyre gonna “fix” the bug that makes the weapons useful, instead of making the weapons useful

[bleak tulip]

yknow what would be cool, if the TH special did what it does in lore and just yknow, have aoe

[zinc phoenix]

Like I can rev the force sword and poke something and BOOM it dead

Same with evis

[runic hornet]

and if you get poked during the channel it cancels

[analog juniper]

it should not bounce off the first person it hits

[runic hornet]

same iwth evis

[zinc phoenix]

But if I use my thunderhammer I gotta use one of the swings it no goes

[analog juniper]

Evi should stay activated and have a different moveset

[zinc phoenix]

Because a pox walker ate it

[bleak tulip]

im not a believer in "make everything power sword"

[runic hornet]

TH bonk->cancel is frontloaded and, now, instantly recovers

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah for evi it makes sense

[analog juniper]

but like, its a massive hammer tho

[bleak tulip]

yeah but the active component is basically an explosion

[zinc phoenix]

It’d make way more sense for the TH special to crunch through things than the power sword tbh

[bleak tulip]

so yeah it shouldnt bounce off one dude, it should at least do aoe instead

[zinc phoenix]

Even just limited aoe

[bleak tulip]

not cleave but yknow, hit more than one target

[zinc phoenix]

Or give it a special swing that’s a high low arc in a really tight space with unlimited cleave

[analog juniper]

the main reason I dont use the hammer is cause Evi cuts people into two

[zinc phoenix]

Solid reason tbh

[bleak tulip]

evi active should ideally be the existing lock on light attack or single target and maybe a hit mass ignore cleave on heavy

[runic hornet]

bisecting ogyrns is hilarious

just two big hunks of meat

[bleak tulip]

give it a fuckin internal cooldown for all I care to balance it but stop it with the lock on hits on every weapon

[zinc phoenix]

I mostly like the hammer because I can go bolter with it while still controlling a huge horde

[analog juniper]

also speed up the FS animations

[runic hornet]

if you want to do that

[bleak tulip]

unfortunately evi does that but better :c

[runic hornet]

i suggest joining the cult of the heay sword

[analog juniper]

like they can be worked around but most of them are too long

[zinc phoenix]

I disagree, evis has great cleave but if your evis doesn’t hit the breakpoints or the horde is outpacing your cleave count you’re getting overrun. Thunder hammer yeets everything away with wide wide even if it’s not killing so you get way more space to work with

And it does kill eventually 😞

Even if it does have sad damage on armor despite being a giant hammer

[analog juniper]

yeah, the TH is better for CC

[bleak tulip]

I can only speak for myself and an admittedly somewhat god roll evi on heresy from the other day but evi hits breakpoints just fine there

[zinc phoenix]

Plus if TH did really good damage to all the mobs in a horde… why would I ever take evis?

They need to have different roles so that both are viable

[bleak tulip]

maybe if I got a TH that was as good it would be different

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah one really good weapon can warp opinions about other weapons imo because… it’s really good and they can’t match it 😂

[analog juniper]

waiting for my Force weapons

[frail shuttle]

Force rod would be sick, dump peril into or something

[weary wasp]

crippling force sword addiction

[analog juniper]

ikr

[tacit jungle]

waiting for the fecking crafting system

[analog juniper]

I was buying FS to gamble for deflection with Hadron

[weary wasp]

same

[analog juniper]

finally got one with deflection in the store

[drowsy fog]

force rod does sound pretty sick

[bleak tulip]

im just waiting on blessing crafting to get deflect tbh

[analog juniper]

dump peril into the rod then go Donatello on the horde

[drowsy fog]

but someone mentioned force greatsword the other day and now im stuck on that

[bleak tulip]

im not wasting a buncha mats on the off chance I dont get one of the 90% shit tier blessings on a good roll FS (if I had any)

im happy enough having a decent ish slaughterer sword and thats all I need

[weary wasp]

welcome to the end game
you dont need mats anyway

[drowsy fog]

I doubt im ever getting a better purgatus than the one I have now with 3 (almost 4) stats maxed

[bleak tulip]

gonna need mats when blessing crafting is out thats for fuckin sure

gotta fix all of my weapons

[paper trail]

Grinding mats to upgrade items to bin grade is basically all there is to do

[bleak tulip]

because apparently all my luck is getting invested in my zealot

[drowsy fog]

would love being able to dump resources into bumping a weapons stats

[bleak tulip]

do weeklies for the god roll melkie drops

[drowsy fog]

but then its not about loot rng anymore 🙃

[weary wasp]

melkie loot kinda sucks, but looks like it doesnt because it has like 1 good blessing or perk once in a while

[drowsy fog]

kinda liking warp flurry but I really want transfer peril

ooo shop rolled a max damage void

[cyan notch]

sorry not allowed please resume camping the shop every hour

[zinc phoenix]

How did you find more than two in the shop??

[bleak tulip]

im not even mad about the bars being locked, I am mad about the weapon delivery solution, all they have to do to give people something worth grinding for is post mission drops that arent limited to like 20 emperors gifts that are very hit or miss

[weary wasp]

thats inventory
camped shop, the usual

shit wrong response. again

[bleak tulip]

allowing potential endless rerolling of bars just inevitably leads to players getting a god roll and then what

[weary wasp]

honestly
fuck rerolls. I'll take rng over obligatory 15 minutes one button press for stat rerolls

[bleak tulip]

in lieu of actual endgame content because "muh Q4 release date" this is basically all they have to keep people playing once theyve tried all the classes and weapons

its just a shitty execution

in VT2 at least it rewarded you for playing, not camping a store

[weary wasp]

with rerolls we are just back to vt2 bs with all weapons being same 300 power with+5 crit +5 speed stats

maybe block reduction cost if youre feeling spicy

[bleak tulip]

that shit was pretty jarring when I went back to VT2 recently

rerolling was basically free

so I spent like 10 minutes rolling "god rolls" according to the great wisdom of some guide and off I went

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, the store is a very lazy solution to preventing god weapons

[weary wasp]

[fluid vessel]

And can get insanely frustrating when a weapon you want just deadass doesn't spawn

[bleak tulip]

now that was likely a relatively end of life decision on their part but I dont think the store is the future lol

[fluid vessel]

Which is -very- likely with the store rolling 5 weapons of the same type often

Also I'm not happy at all with the crafting materials costs rn

[weary wasp]

the vid i just watched had a suggestion with a random stat-ed white weapons of a chosen type in shop on demand

[fluid vessel]

I really hope they're not gonna make trait rerolling cost a lot

[weary wasp]

which would work just fine

[fluid vessel]

White weapons literally can only put their power ranking into the bars

So they're guaranteed to have the best rolls if they generate decently high

[glass osprey]

Would kill to get blazing spirit back on surge staffs instead of barrage but i’ll take it tbh

[fluid vessel]

Also is it even possible to get bars that are above 80 % naturally ?

Especially -multiple- assets ?

[weary wasp]

well yeh, otherwise your just overpaying for power AND skipping the resource grind

[bleak tulip]

I'm still secretly hoping they turn on scripture and grim spawns for all maps and give us ranald back post mission instead of checking every fuckin crate for some tubes and cubes

[fluid vessel]

Yeah that's really shitty

"You should keep looking for the perfect weapon ;)"

(Bars locked at 80 % not 100 %)

[weary wasp]

its surge tho.

[fluid vessel]

And even then it's impossible to get a max roll for 80 %

[bleak tulip]

leaving space for eventual reds or a crafting/event option to raise stats above 80

[fluid vessel]

Crafting can't raise bars though

[bleak tulip]

seems pretty clear to me tbh

[fluid vessel]

I wish it just did

[weary wasp]

i would be fine if red was like

[bleak tulip]

not yet

[weary wasp]

1-2 stats above 80

[bleak tulip]

default crafting wont have bar raising

[fluid vessel]

From what I heard they have no plans to allow you to reroll the bars

Which is VERY raw

[bleak tulip]

yeah i know

[fluid vessel]

So you have to whore the store to get the stats you need

[bleak tulip]

but eventually they might add a system for it, be it an event or just reds

[tribal granite]

You know what would be cool fluff-wise

if Psykers could hear more daemonic whispers from the Daemonhost

[weary wasp]

rng is important for player retention, like it or not

[tribal granite]

like a daemon voice that the "host" responds to

[bleak tulip]

dunking my force staff in robot girlymans holy loin sweat to buff it?

[analog juniper]

I just want more voice options for the classes

[fluid vessel]

I already barely want to play my Level 30 classes because of how asinine the store is

[tribal granite]

I want the option to change voiceover / gender / backstory without CREATING AN ENTIRELY NEW CHARACTER

[analog juniper]

lol

[bleak tulip]

which is why nobody atually says the store is good, but only that rng is necessary in some way

[weary wasp]

okay. rng done right

they did fuck it up

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, there's so much more they could have done

Even something as utterly basic as allowing you to "lock in" stuff you want like weapon type and then roll for it, or giving you WAY more stock

[bleak tulip]

still huffing copium that the store is just a cop out last minute addition from another scrapped system and they just do something else in like 3 months

[drowsy fog]

I like the idea of buying a random grey of a specific weapon at any time

[fluid vessel]

Literally VT2 you could just grab a weapon template and craft it

There is zero reason this wouldn't work in this game

It'd cost a lot of crafting materials so it wouldn't be immediately desirable compared to store

But it helps if you're stuck

[tribal granite]

I wonder why they just didn't copypaste that feature from VT2

[bleak tulip]

the way they wrote up the whole crafting system wouldnt gel with it

which is their own fault but ya know

its not gonna happen I think

[weary wasp]

considering the amount of backlash i think they wiill get to it at some point, but its Fatshark so chances are they will prioritise listening to sweats and implement the score screen as a priority

[tribal granite]

"Buy certain weapon from armory at a x2.5 markup price"

There

Done

[bleak tulip]

like hadron literally tells you your weapons are all second hand and thats intentional

[fluid vessel]

I mean the worst part, they -got- a lot of backlash due to how rigid the VT2 crafting system was

It's like they learnt nothing

[bleak tulip]

they wrote themselves into a semi lore corner and arent leaving it, no matter how sensible the idea

[fluid vessel]

Well yeah, but why does the ship only have 10 second hand weapons at any given time ?

[bleak tulip]

dead operatives

[fluid vessel]

You could literally boost it to 20 like today and it would be a major improvement

Also turn the spread WAY down

[weary wasp]

"muh economy"

[fluid vessel]

You shouldn't have poorly rolled power at Level 30

[bleak tulip]

ships the size of the morningstar have like 25000 crew, so imagine how many "rejects" go out there

its a lot of space on there for excess bodies besides the crew

[drowsy fog]

🤷‍♀️ those are the weapon options allotted to you cuz theres other operatives too? lol

[ornate hamlet]

what does soulblaze do?

[bleak tulip]

shitty dot

[fluid vessel]

Ticking damage

It's not very good honestly

[weary wasp]

lights things up

[fluid vessel]

And it also puts a TON of shit all over the screen

Which is very bad for everyone

[scarlet lily]

that is the best part

[weary wasp]

someone said its good because its basically a mass ping

[ornate hamlet]

hate it when psykers use their flamestaff while I aim at sht

[weary wasp]

if you like being blinded, i guess

[drowsy fog]

hehe human flamethrower go brrrrrrrr

[bleak tulip]

well we dont get many fun and good weapons so youll just have to live with it

[fluid vessel]

Yeah tbh I hate all flame users

Like, you're just ruining my visibility

[tribal granite]

what's worse

[fluid vessel]

And the flamer doesn't even -melt- trash like it should

[tribal granite]

flame psyker

[fluid vessel]

It takes so goddamn long

[tribal granite]

or gun psyker

[bleak tulip]

gun

[fluid vessel]

Gun Psyker can get elite picks

Flame Pysker is just... oof

[weary wasp]

gun. flame can at least control horde to an extend

[bleak tulip]

gun means you admitted defeat

[scarlet lily]

gun pysker for elites? huwah

[fluid vessel]

Have to run staff anyways to quell

[drowsy fog]

gun means you're afraid of your own power, pathetic

[bleak tulip]

the real worst psyker playstyle is the BB only baby psyker though

[tribal granite]

Weapons that don't generate peril passively quell it at an increased rate

[glass osprey]

see way too many psykers with guns. just play a veteran at that point??

[frigid zenith]

I don't understand psykers using guns.. like.. go play a veteran.. They do it a lot better.

[scarlet lily]

you have innate special control

[primal aurora]

yes, lets summon a tiny bitsy daemon, how bad it could be?

[fluid vessel]

Yeah but staff you can quell while walking at full speed, it's very efficient

[tribal granite]

I do have one defence tho

[bleak tulip]

just equip a book or medkit in downtime

[tribal granite]

And with gun I can shoot !

[fluid vessel]

Well, with a staff I can shoot too!

[drowsy fog]

until the shooty bits run out

[flint dagger]

-+

[tribal granite]

but can you shoot AND quell peril ?

[fluid vessel]

The MAGIC MISSILE is really nice

[bleak tulip]

yes

[weary wasp]

80% quell staff takes about 3 seconds to go to 0 from 100

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, it just instantly vents you

[bleak tulip]

its called transfer baby

[fluid vessel]

And you can still dodge if you get a pinky on you

[bleak tulip]

I literally quell while shooting hordes on void

[fluid vessel]

It takes a REALLY bad team to leave you in serious danger while you're doing staff

[bleak tulip]

dont look over to the side where the bug report about void peril generation being bugged is

either way guns are stinky if you wanna use a gun play another class imo

[analog juniper]

Gun Psyker is HERESY

[tribal granite]

actually

when you think about it....

[drowsy fog]

if I play any other class it'll be zealot for the sustain and being the other class with good fashion or ogryn cuz lmg

[tribal granite]

....when you reload your gun you "quell" it

[weary wasp]

i understand that there is a niche for all kinds of builds and i do like unorthodox ones BUT
some things are jut pure copium

[tribal granite]

except it's at a set rate

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-leave-gif-21652753

[bleak tulip]

hey thats just plasma

checkmate vets

[tribal granite]

Plasma is just veterans coping they are not psykers

and I guess my gun psyker is coping he isn't a veteran

[weary wasp]

plasma can shoot through walls
uwu

[drowsy fog]

had like 3 vets in here earlier somehow salty they have the overtuned class lol

[tribal granite]

You know what else can shoot through walls

BrainBurst

[weary wasp]

BrAiN BuRsT

well it has no dakka so fuck it

[bleak tulip]

using BB in 2022

[hallow needle]

would anyone here be kind enough to help me get the malleus monstronum penance? :3

[grave bobcat]

HMMM

[drowsy fog]

check the lfg channels you'll want an ogryn friend

[tribal granite]

just trigger a daemonhost with a shield ogryn buddy

[grave bobcat]

1 pepperoni pizzza

And I will tank it

[primal aurora]

to restore the balance devs need to add bb-gun to vets

[tribal granite]

Actually

[versed karma]

I'll be taking that

I could use a pizza rn

[analog juniper]

fair price

[tribal granite]

I thought it would be cool if you could "Shoot" out your brainburst

like with an alternate or something

BB alternate button still does nothing

[grave bobcat]

I just finished my game so im rdy now

[drowsy fog]

dunno how good ogryns box is but bb is worse than the grenades, we got done dirty

[primal aurora]

it is for choking teammates

[tribal granite]

Yeah except grenades run out

[hallow needle]

very kind of you

[weary wasp]

oh yeh that reminds me
the lack of synergy for psyker abilities is fucking horrendous. they could do so much with bb combos, be it with the PROMISED team play, or with something like exploding stacks of soulblaze

[tribal granite]

that's what you get for being resource independent

[grave bobcat]

It's more entertaining :p

[agile cloak]

Grenades are also effective

[analog juniper]

BB should charge this fast at all times, and this ult should give you near instant BB with 5s cooldown but refreshes on elite kill

[drowsy fog]

you also find tons of grenades around the map and vet can regenerate them tho

[hallow needle]

its only gonna take forever to hold left click on a monstrosity lol

[grave bobcat]

77118793

You'll be fine

If you can find 2 others to keep the rest of the horde/elites offm e

[tribal granite]

What if Warp Charges gave extra 5% charge time for both BB and staves ?

[grave bobcat]

while I'm dealing with er

that would bee z

[hallow needle]

ima sit down in strike team 42 then and look for 2 more people

[tribal granite]

that would be cool

[grave bobcat]

Lmk when you're rdy and I'll join cause I've got music on :p

[weary wasp]

i think bb should be as gratifying to pull off as the fully charged alternative action but on tap and with cd on stacks

[grave bobcat]

Don't really need voice though

[tribal granite]

You know what would be nice

[drowsy fog]

imma head to bed, maybe I'll try for going out with a bang tomorrow. Gnight siblings

[tribal granite]

if BB always killed your guy you Brainburst

[primal aurora]

One thing that baffles me the most is that instead of Psyker it is Vet that telepathically detects elites nearby and psionically highlights them for the team even through walls.

[tribal granite]

except it had different charge time depending on target type

and worked exactly the same as it does now on Monsters

[analog juniper]

this would work too

[weary wasp]

thats also based

[hallow needle]

okay

[tribal granite]

that way it would also be buffed in terms of warp charge generation

because small dinky ambush horde guy would charge up faster than he does now

[weary wasp]

either way, considering the backlash for the penances, like overall, they might get changed up a little. so there is little reason to go for them as of now unless you really want those cosmetics or want something (masochistic) to do

[tribal granite]

so you could whip out your hands and BB him for warp charge retention

[tribal granite]

They already got changed up a little

[hallow needle]

gonna need your name to invite you Calcium

[grave bobcat]

I sent you my steam friend coded

[tribal granite]

the drop dudes in a chasm penance got nerfed from 20 in 2 secs to 7 in 2 secs

[grave bobcat]

scroll up

[weary wasp]

they got reasonable but they are still toxic at a core

[hallow needle]

done

[tribal granite]

the Ogryn "keep everyone in coherency all match" one got nerfed to "keep at least 1 dude in coherency all match"

malleus monstrum one still sucks major balls

[analog juniper]

also pls buff the dmg on these attacks. They cant even kill poxwalkers on a fully charged hit

[grave bobcat]

I like that this sacrifices amo

for everything else

[weary wasp]

zealot 10 min one was done in beta via bug

[grave bobcat]

Shame its not a lasgun

[tribal granite]

I don't see them as "toxic", it's just challenges

[hallow needle]

calcium

i got 2 others

[grave bobcat]

Oh I'm gonna need to swap my build up a bit for tanking this

jNeat

coming

[weary wasp]

They do the opposite of promoting an organic teamplay. I dont remember fully but I felt no such things with vt2 achievements

[analog juniper]

definitely toxic as they hamper the team

[tribal granite]

Have you bought the VT2 DLC cosmetic upgrades

[weary wasp]

sure it works with pre-made but..what doesnt?

[weary wasp]

oh yeh my brain kinda blocked those out

[tribal granite]

and have you forgotten the legend ones

[weary wasp]

but you didnt need them to get any items really

legend?

[tribal granite]

yes, the special legend challenges

each map had those

[weary wasp]

example?

i remember something but it was not significant

[tribal granite]

Fuck, right off the top of my hat I can't give any concrete ones

but each map had those

[weary wasp]

there was a lot of collectible bs

[tribal granite]

No, it definitely was

but in defence of those they required premade composition

still, one could argue they were somewhat toxic

[weary wasp]

they all gave only a small amount of currency later on, so a bit pointless

[tribal granite]

No, they gave Emperor Vaults

[weary wasp]

on launch however, they gave the reskinned cosmetics

oh yeh

hmmmmm

[shell ferry]

Horrifying idea for damnation difficulty. Exploded psyker rather than dying turns into a demonhost with low HP, and returns to human form if defeated

[weary wasp]

i think ive done all with no issue

[tribal granite]

the ones that gave Emperor vaults ?

[weary wasp]

yeh, return to the brukswhatever its name and so on

did it with a friend tho

[tribal granite]

It seems you don't know what I'm talking about

let me boot up VT2 to show a screenshot of these

[weary wasp]

perhaps

i remember one where you needed to blow up the gates under a certain time limit

etc

[fluid vessel]

Realize I've had 4 charges for a while, trying to do the penance

My team literally jacking off in the back sniffing every corner for the elusive 5 plasteel (!!!)

A Mutant comes over and does a glitched throw that ledges me and I die instantly

Amazing

[tribal granite]

Wait till 25 to do that one

[primal aurora]

being psyker is suffering

[tribal granite]

It's much easier that way

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, I just saw I was floating four charges and figured "oh actually I might be able to sneak it in"

And then bam, team brain damage

[tribal granite]

the "10% chance to BB on any attack" thing saves you

[tiny parrot]

psyker is suffering without trying to do the penances

but its even more suffering when you're trying to do them

[fluid vessel]

And yeah, but I got the 4 % chance for warp charge on coherency kill and it gave me four natural charges

[weary wasp]

the 10% on hit is more important

better both tho

[tribal granite]

@weary wasp These ones, I was talking about these ones

[weary wasp]

aye

they were never any close to this much ass pain as ones in darktide

[tribal granite]

I'd argue

[weary wasp]

maybe they just didnt feel as "mandatory"

thats why

[primal aurora]

I feel that there are so much missed potential with psyker perk tree 😦

[tribal granite]

Yes

[weary wasp]

its a mess

[tribal granite]

Psyker is a lot of missed potential

in many areas

But at the same time, psyker is not straight up unplayable, and his fixing is not an entire rework

it's just lots and lots of tweaking

the only thing that needs a rework is how BrainBurst functions, that's it

[analog juniper]

these are straight up bad

noobtraps

[tiny parrot]

i really feel like soulblaze needs to be a more passive thing rather than something you go out of your way to apply

[fluid vessel]

YES

I almost had a heart attack when those idiots pissed around waiting for specials in the elevator

[tribal granite]

Wow, close call

I see that Warp Charge bar

If you would try to Brainburst someone to save it, you wouldn't have enough time

[cyan notch]

with psychic communion its not too hard

[tiny parrot]

also im pretty sure it's not 4 charges in one go right? it's just 300s over the course of a mission

[tardy flower]

Wrack and ruin + 10% chance to smite + purg staff can be incredibly entertaining

[analog juniper]

soulbaze stacks should start at 10 if they arent buffing the dmg of the tick

[tribal granite]

4 charges one go

reach 4, keep 4 for 300 seconds

[weary wasp]

considering how stacks work, passive would be negligible without active stacks still, making basically no difference

[tiny parrot]

ah right

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, there's that -one- guy every team has who decides to backtrack to search every corner

And doesn't realize he's pissing everyone off, if he even cares

[primal aurora]

Vacuum

[fluid vessel]

I think it's in one go

I had to do it from being picked up to the elevator

[tiny parrot]

yeah i couldn't remember if that's one of the penances they changed recently

[tribal granite]

"Killing an Elite Enemy or Specialist with BB causes an explosion that applies 2 stacks of Soulblaze and has 5m radius / applies 5 stacks of Soulblaze and has 3m radius"

"At max Warp Charges, gaining a warp charge causes a nearby enemy to be brainbursted. Special and Elite enemies have high priority"

[weary wasp]

the timer stacks one is best done during events

honestly, you might just get it automatically on heresy+

[tribal granite]

The cliff dropping one was changed

went down from 20 dudes in 2 seconds to 7 dudes in 2 seconds

[tiny parrot]

yeah that rings a bell

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, I got VERY lucky with the 4 % chance

And then forced it lightly by sniping random trash in corners with my power

[tiny parrot]

also 20 enemies is kinda bonkers considering I can think of about one place where that'd be viable to do

[fluid vessel]

Thankfully my team was VERY bad so we were progressing slowly

So I had time to pick out stragglers one by one

[weary wasp]

as i said before,the mission with plague tree. be it near the tree or at escape event where enemies just waterfall directly near the ledge at pipes

[fluid vessel]

Oh yeah Hab Dreyko is the best mission in the game if you want to force this penance

[tiny parrot]

yea, that escape section is where I managed to get the new version of it done, but even with the amount that spawn knocking 20 off would still be a pain

[fluid vessel]

You have only one safety room in the late part of the mission

And the first event is just endless enemy spawns

So you can easily force it by doing a clean head burst stack from start into event

[weary wasp]

the original penances looked like they were done by people who never played their own game

[fluid vessel]

The worst missions for it is anything with an elevator

You basically lose your stacks guaranteed

[tribal granite]

I'd argue it's MetalFab where you activate the giant forge

[fluid vessel]

"Just speedrun a mission in 16 minutes on Heresy bro"

[tribal granite]

the entire middle of it is a playing field for this

[frigid zenith]

Honestly, there's a crap load of places to do this, there's abyss drops scattered all over the place, even near choke points where hordes would be. The issue is it being a lower level penance where you're not going to get good sized hordes often enough to get 20 to push. That's why it was lowered.

[tribal granite]

the middle of that thing has a hole, and there are holes on each of it's sides

[weary wasp]

think it was 10

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, the old strat was to get a premade or a solo lobby and go onto the bridge level on a specific spot which was 100 % ledges

[analog juniper]

had a zealot rushing and dying trying to do that penance

so annoying

[fluid vessel]

And then spamming every push known to man when a horde spawned

[tribal granite]

The red is the death ledge

[fluid vessel]

Okay, just so we're clear... for this one I have to intentionally throw and blow myself up using overcharge into a group of elites ?

[tribal granite]

I personally carelled the hordes in the hole on the sides and not the one in the middle

[tribal granite]

Yes

You got that right

[tiny parrot]

yep

[fluid vessel]

Oh dear god

[analog juniper]

yes, grief your team for cosmetic

[tiny parrot]

and hope that you do enough damage to kill them

[fluid vessel]

I mean I saw in the Psychanarium that it actually does a lot of damage, so as long as I properly identify three elites I should be good

On Haz 3 you get stacks of 3 Ragers constantly

But... god

[tribal granite]

The best part of it

[scarlet lily]

sometimes exploding can be good!

[tribal granite]

is that on Malice, you need to get lucky to have 3 elites around for that

[frigid zenith]

I've killed 2/3 for going out with a bang about 7 times now, It's uhhh... Luck.

[tribal granite]

and on Heresy, these spawns are a lot more common to get, but they have increased HP and require setup

[fluid vessel]

Eh, either get two straggler groups with ragers, or wait for your team to be overwhelmed

Yeah, I think I may have to do a premade for this

[analog juniper]

and on Heresy+ you need to get lucky for the explosion to kill 3 elites

[tribal granite]

well not really

[fluid vessel]

I mean, I "just" need three elites to mob on me and then time myself to blow up properly

[tribal granite]

I'd personally advise to just be on the lookout for it

[tiny parrot]

pray that no one else kills the elites

[frigid zenith]

It's a lot easier to do once you hit 30 and get blaze to weaken them before exploding.

[tribal granite]

Voidstrike staff also helps since it generates peril quickly for exploding

with RMB spam

[weary wasp]

easy with premades, probably
but with randos you end up looking like a lunatic

[tribal granite]

or was it voidstrike

[zinc phoenix]

Not if you take the various peril reduction traits

[tribal granite]

sod it, the one that does an AoE ground explosion

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma staff is best for peril

[frigid zenith]

That's the other thing, I don't know how many times I went to overload but all the buggy ass sprint cancel shit stopped me from overloading.

[zinc phoenix]

Since it makes a ton doing nothing

[acoustic isle]

Reduce peril on weak spot hit with voidstrike staff feels good

[tribal granite]

It's actually easy NOT to blow up

[acoustic isle]

Especially when you get the 10% reduction to proc at the same time

[frigid zenith]

Right!

[tribal granite]

You blow up when you are at 100% peril AND cast something

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, you can resist blowing up by not casting -once- you hit 100 %

[frigid zenith]

sprint canceling to delete hordes with the surge staff is interesting.

[tribal granite]

just charging doesn't blow you up

[fluid vessel]

The noob trap is that charging brain burst ticks up your peril

So if you hit 100 % charging it, or try to charge it again even for a second, you die

[acoustic isle]

Not to mention the F works just like sienna's unchained and saves you from blowing up if you do somehow fuck up

[tribal granite]

also this

[fluid vessel]

Does it work if you are locked into the death animation ?

[tribal granite]

yes

[fluid vessel]

OH

[acoustic isle]

Yeah it cancels it

[fluid vessel]

That's good to know

[tribal granite]

yeah that's good to know when you realise your 3 elites for penance got reduced to 2

[frigid zenith]

The only good thing about exploding is once you've started the animation to do it, if something kills you, you explode anyways.

[tribal granite]

so you quit out exploding by spamming f

[fluid vessel]

Oh, good to know too

So I can intentionally overcharge myself and then stand there like an idiot while 3 Ragers turn me into shish kebab

[acoustic isle]

Really need to go get that kill elite challenge by suicide bomb at some point

[frigid zenith]

Yea

[acoustic isle]

Probs gonna go do it with my friends in a premade

[tribal granite]

Don't "hunt" for it unless you wish for hood drip

[acoustic isle]

Mostly just a completionist lol

[tribal granite]

default hood is easy to get with the death cliff penance

[frigid zenith]

Probably the best way to do this is with a vet spamming his F to look for the pack, then a shield ogre to take agro to gather them up.

[fluid vessel]

I mean drip headwear is basically the only reason people go through this pain

Yeah, if you have a sugar daddy playing as shieldogryn you can very easily prepare a situation where a ton of elites are grouped up

[tribal granite]

Man, if only Sire Melk had activateable with weekly currency thematic challenge sequences that gave you thematic drip

[fluid vessel]

The problem is the random that'll kill them all if you don't do it -quickly-

[tribal granite]

like a shotgun and catachan weaponry focused challenge sequence that gave you catachan looking drip

(for vet, that is)

[acoustic isle]

Besides i already got my drip taken care of

Posted this earlier but hey. Im happy with it

My only real sadness is if any krieg looking drip appears it'll likely be premium lmao

[tribal granite]

The best drip is the one that makes people think of how much did you go through to get it

so it's extra...drippy ?

[fluid vessel]

Yeah, I have huge respect every time I see someone with Tier2+ cosmetics

ESPECIALLY the helmet

Because it means they did at least all the Malice penances

[acoustic isle]

Got it for vet. Just need to do the coherency one for ogryn

[fluid vessel]

And conversely I don't feel good playing Heresy+ with someone who has no helmet

[tribal granite]

I personally wish for a helmet + ballistic mask headpiece for veteran

[acoustic isle]

Whiich they made a great deal easier

[fluid vessel]

Oh yeah the fucking coherency penance for Ogryn

[tribal granite]

not the helmet + rebreather + goggles

[fluid vessel]

Why on earth couldn't they have made it "have at least ONE stack of coherency for the entire mission" ?

Instead of -all 4-

[acoustic isle]

It now only requires one ally

[fluid vessel]

Oh they did ?

[acoustic isle]

So im gonna get on with my brother

[tribal granite]

they did exactly that

[fluid vessel]

Okay so I can just kiss someone's ass all game

And it'll work

[tribal granite]

or make someone kiss yours

[acoustic isle]

Should work at least

[glass osprey]

weirdly i tried that last night with my buddy's ogryn and he didn't get it

[acoustic isle]

Havent touched ogryn since i maxed him

He was the first i leveled

Psyker here was number 4

[tribal granite]

probs got unlucky and broke coherency for a split second

[tribal granite]

My maxing sequence will be Vet -- Psyker -- Zealot -- Ogryn

[glass osprey]

does it have to be the -same- teammate or just stay by at least one teammate for the whole game?

[acoustic isle]

Gotta be the same i think

Based on the wording

[tribal granite]

I actually don't remember, but I'd guess it's the same one

[fluid vessel]

I think the only safe way is to use the +50 % coherency radius (which you should be using anyways) and literally be stacked on him all game

Bring a good ranged weapon and a slab shield

[tribal granite]

it's the ONLY way

[acoustic isle]

My poor brother trying to get the suicide one

To discover that explosion really doesnt one shot any elites

Poor man has been salty about it lmao

[fluid vessel]

Ouch

Suicide doesn't one shot even ragers ?

I mean, I'm not surprised it doesn't kill Maulers

[acoustic isle]

Maulers i think get about roughly half

When i went to psykanium it almost one shots the ragers on malice

Just not quite

[fluid vessel]

Then again you could -safely- solo Maulers if you give each one a headburst stack

But you have to be lucky they don't do their olympic jog bullshit lunge

[acoustic isle]

It pretty much is just a game of slap them around a bit then explode

[stray silo]

I feel this pain

[acoustic isle]

It's just a matter of your team being nice

And letting you

[fluid vessel]

Or getting lucky and finding an elite pod in a weird part of the map

I've ran into plenty of surprise Mauler/Rager drops in corners

[acoustic isle]

Or time it before the boltor vet inevitably wave clears everything lmao

[fluid vessel]

Though getting 3 right away is not that common

[tribal granite]

they spawn in groups of 2

[deft glen]

Anyone know what increase the base stats of the items in the shop ?

[tribal granite]

character level

[acoustic isle]

Leveling and rng