psyker-class

[near wyvern]

Trauma staff is the most optimal for quietitude change my mind

[drowsy fog]

no its not lol

[ashen ore]

kind of hard to learn the class if I don't have a staff

[drowsy fog]

oh wait

[spiral remnant]

😭

unfortunately yes

[near wyvern]

Oh this is really good

[drowsy fog]

not seeing a staff? yeah thats normal

[tacit fractal]

If only burn and damage switched places

[spiral remnant]

im surprised fatshark hasn't just... changed it?

it'd be pretty easy to just swap some numbers

and make staves way more common

[drowsy fog]

this is the more well-rounded one it rolled

[finite gazelle]

randomised shop is actually cheeks, love seeing nothing but lasguns on my psyker

[heady sapphire]

Be me
decide to destroy a grimoire in the middle of extreme chaos
team dies
we lose
notice grimoire contract progression I did not remember having before
”hmmm I think grimoires count even if you destroy them”
decide to do some experimentation to examine this theory further
queue into next match
”lemme get the grimoire when we find it I need to try something”
team finds it
everyone standing by
I pick it up
everyone watching me
destroys the grimoire
”why the fuck would you do that?”
”are you fucking autistic?”
me realizing I’ve just unintentionally griefed these poor bastards
”I need to verify if this counts towards contract progression or not”
tl;dr destroying a grimoire does not count towards contract progression and will only piss off your teammates

[spiral remnant]

seems about right

probably dont destroy grimoires

[drowsy fog]

grimoires arent worth anyway

[spiral remnant]

yeah

[fading shoal]

Would anyone like to help me achieve Malleus Monstronum please?
https://i.imgur.com/oipdqW3.png

[spiral remnant]

i'd hold off on it

fatshark confirmed penance reworks

chill for a bit and see if it gets easier

[near wyvern]

Why would a destroyed grimoire count?

[spiral remnant]

i think the confirmed update is this wednesday

[fading shoal]

Oh right, I forgot about that

[tacit fractal]

Scriptures and grimoires should not have the same value in the 2nd obj

[boreal flint]

nb4 it gets harder somehow

[spiral remnant]

😭

[drowsy fog]

they were worth in vt

I miss loot dice

[elfin crystal]

grimoires should just be an extra boss fight

[near wyvern]

That one is easy but you need friends, which depending on you might be really easy or really hard

[elfin crystal]

with free lot

[heady sapphire]

I’d gone into a heresy run with a progress count of 2, or so I’d thought. I destroyed one in that run and when I went back to check progress it said 3. So I tried it again but turns out I had already had 3 when I destroyed that one lol I just didn’t have any memory of it.

[spiral remnant]

just did a sire melks random 🤞

prayin the stats are good

[fading shoal]

I have friends but not all 4 of them that play Darktide are online at the same time. Stars have to align to have that happen. 😭

[heady sapphire]

But to be fair the contract does state “pick up grimoires” and not “extract with grimoires” so there is easily room for misinterpretation of the assignment

[elfin crystal]

narrator: sadly for him, they were bad

[spiral remnant]

blehhh :(

[elfin crystal]

i've only ever see 1 good item from melk

[spiral remnant]

his transcendent offers usually arent even that good

as opposed to simply upgrading a higher base

[drowsy fog]

thats 3 stats nearly max tho

[spiral remnant]

which is pretty sad

[spiral remnant]

347 base is pretty low compared to what im used to unfortunately

[elfin crystal]

and it's still somewhat below good rating. just got extremely lucky for the rolls

[tacit fractal]

It’s pretty easy, just let your team know that you’re doing it and ask them to allow you solo a monstrosity (I fought against a Plague Ogryn alone)

You also have a WAY easier method which is asking an Ogryn with a slab shield to help you out with the penance, let him aggro the Daemonhost and meanwhile he’s on braced stance on a corner you just BB the Daemonhost’s ass back to the Warp

[elfin crystal]

yeah just upgradaronis

[fading shoal]

Tried myself with melk:
https://i.imgur.com/KnNOs5k.png

[heady sapphire]

One time that fucker Melk had a fucking 2.2k gold staff for sale and the shit store had a blue one with better damage output and stats on it because the store system is absolutely fucked at the moment.

[spiral remnant]

not bad

[fading shoal]

But it's a gun

[spiral remnant]

greens are usually pretty rare from him

[elfin crystal]

😔

[spiral remnant]

melk scams

[fading shoal]

for Psyker

[drowsy fog]

id like to get blazing spirit and transfer peril on my purge but only time will tell

[tacit fractal]

DON’T USE YOUR TICKETS ON MELK’S RANDOM DROPS

[fading shoal]

lol

[elfin crystal]

yeah melk is a scam

[spiral remnant]

yah but his regular offers arent that much better either

[tacit fractal]

Better offers still

[drowsy fog]

flashbacks to wert and gheed...

[near wyvern]

I saw a video on YouTube where a dude poured 3.4k into random rolls. He got only blues, greens and grays with 420-440 stat rolls.

Not worth it.

[spiral remnant]

ehh

[spiral remnant]

i got a gold once actually ehe

[fading shoal]

I legit have not seen an Eviscerator offered by melk for two weeks

[heady sapphire]

The entire store system need a major reworking lol and we haven’t even gotten the full crafting experience yet 😭

[spiral remnant]

unfortunately, melk gave me a gun

[tacit fractal]

On Zealot you mean? You are literally incapable of getting an Eviscerator with Psyker

[heady sapphire]

You’re currently better off just grinding for mission drops instead of fussing with any of the stores

[fading shoal]

Zealot ofc

[spiral remnant]

big E is surprisingly generous

[drowsy fog]

got a 500 gold dueling sword from big E once

[spiral remnant]

i get golds 1/4 missions

[spiral remnant]

niceeee

[heady sapphire]

Store is only useful for early levels and then it’s absolutely useless and hardly ever gives you anything of value

[drowsy fog]

shame im not a fan of the dueling sword lol

[static epoch]

I got a bunch of gold emp gifts today but they're all guns

[spiral remnant]

y'all know whats goin on wit this curio? maths not addin up

[spiral remnant]

same.

[heady sapphire]

Big E rewards the faithful

[drowsy fog]

wesker pfp complaining about getting guns

somehow fitting

[heady sapphire]

Damn same

[drowsy fog]

ew sprint efficiency

[spiral remnant]

?? :(

[heady sapphire]

Two auto guns, a lasgun, and a revolver. Thanks sibling. So generous.

[foggy isle]

Yeah it's just killing the fun for me
Right now I feel like my gameplay is to connect once every hour to check the store, get dissapointed and alt f4 because it's just frustrating
100h in and I have yet to find a single force sword it's just getting ridiculously infuriating

[static epoch]

don't you want to go faster

[spiral remnant]

spring efficiency is good

it

[tacit fractal]

Isn’t

[spiral remnant]

starting to get 3 stamina which is nice

[drowsy fog]

im still looking for a fs with deflector

[finite gazelle]

I've only ever seen a 401 blue force sword, in 60 hours, actually crazy

[stark snow]

does sprint efficiency even work? I haven't tested it, but stam curios are bugged to only give +1 so

[finite gazelle]

and that was on my vet

[stark snow]

I wouldn't be surprised if sprint efficiency didn't even work

[heady sapphire]

What do psykers even use stamina for?

[foggy isle]

Playing psyker and only getting guns in the shop is like a big fuck you

[static epoch]

I don't think these work. Block/Stam bars only increase by 1, no matter what you put on. And when you block push or run certain distances, it doesn't add up.

[spiral remnant]

:(

[static epoch]

But still should buy these and save them.

[spiral remnant]

deflector is crazy useful in damnation

ranged will tear you apart

a single unnoticed scab shotgunner or reaper can end your run

[velvet spear]

still aint seen deflector blessing

[boreal flint]

If only I could find a sword ;-;

[tacit fractal]

Covers exist

[heady sapphire]

If only I could find a sword with deflector on it

[near wyvern]

If you are running void with FS jedi and mind in motion you need a +stam curio

[spiral remnant]

tru dat

[boreal flint]

I haven’t seen a fs since level 24

[foggy isle]

I wish I had deflector, but I can't even get a bloody sword
And with the forge in it's current state I doubt I could do anything to slap it on that legendary force sword if I ever found one

[stark snow]

sucks that stam curios are bugged, I would def use a +3 stam curio if they worked

[static epoch]

get a max mobility and defense duelling sword and you can permaslide around the map

really really fast

[spiral remnant]

booo

use combat knife

[foggy isle]

right now my shop roll is 2 bad trinkets and then just guns guns and guns

[spiral remnant]

superior mobility weapon

[near wyvern]

1 bar = 2 stamina

[boreal flint]

Same

[spiral remnant]

oh, what?

[boreal flint]

;-;

[stark snow]

no

its bugged

go equip 2 +3 stam curios

and then equip 3 +2 stam curios

3 +2 stam curios give you more stam

curios are all bugged to only give 1 stam

[elfin crystal]

amazing

[near wyvern]

Good coding

[tacit fractal]

You can run fs with deflector since it’s pretty nice when you don’t use cover. Your other option is using the stronger combo which is kinetic deflection + antax mk v axe because you can spam push block attack for cleave and high damage on hordes meanwhile you use staves for range

[stark snow]

its not 2 stam =1 bar, every other item that gives stam in the game is 1stam=1bar except curios

[foggy isle]

Also didn't we use to have grades higher than blue in the shop? I don't think I've seen any purple there since launch, maybe even 2nd beta

[hot surge]

i just saw that quick swap cancel a few min ago for surge and just tried it out - wow

[tacit fractal]

Fs feels overpraised and underwhelming

[elfin crystal]

yeah we used to have purple

[static epoch]

you can stagger up to 30m away its not that bad

[tacit fractal]

You deal the damage instantly with the shock skip but you can’t stun a mutant with it

[near wyvern]

FS is absolute beast up to malice.

After that the damage on it for killing trash mobs starts to fall off and the special stops one shotting things

[drowsy fog]

I like fs

but I use what I enjoy meta be damned

[cyan notch]

i use fs in damnation

[tacit fractal]

It’s also pretty good against Assassination targets when your team knows you should gang up on the bastard

[foggy isle]

Frankly I just want it for the deflector because in t4 and 5 I just get completely swarmed by range and I feel absolutely useless

[tacit fractal]

Lot of people do

[near wyvern]

Oh yeah it slaps the boss very hard

[drowsy fog]

fs and chain soooo good on bosses

[tacit fractal]

Use cover

[drowsy fog]

special attack go brrrrrrrr

[foggy isle]

I did a T4 yesterday and we had more ranged enemy than regular zombies

[tacit fractal]

Poxwalkers you mean

[drowsy fog]

yeah wtf is a zombie

[foggy isle]

I do but then another pack spawn behind my back with 2 machingunners

[tacit fractal]

Why isn’t your team taking care of these things???

[foggy isle]

right before the horde and monstrosity decides to spawn as well

and a ripper because why not

[stark snow]

idk, always feels good when I draw fire and then my team can easily take down the ranged, or if I close the gap and then they're not ranged anymore, pretty easy with deflector. It opens up more positions

[tacit fractal]

It’s a horde game

[cyan notch]

what the hells a ripper

[tacit fractal]

Ripper gun is weak

[drowsy fog]

reaper maybe

[foggy isle]

the ogryn with the machingun

[tacit fractal]

Reaper

[foggy isle]

yeah maybe reaper

not my 1st language sorry

[tacit fractal]

No it’s Reaper

[drowsy fog]

no worries

[tacit fractal]

Not my first or second either bud

[drowsy fog]

we meant what they knew its fine

[foggy isle]

and I know it's a horde game but the range spam past t3 feels ridiculous

[proud hare]

Thoughts on my new gun?

[static epoch]

The reaper is there so that the psyker can get some kills when the veteran is shaking, you just have to kill the reaper last 🤡

[mild tartan]

wew, 5 crashes in 5 minutes

[tacit fractal]

Sliding also causes ranged to have less accuracy on you

[mild tartan]

this is a record

[foggy isle]

the gap between 3 and 4 feels more difficult than playing cata in v2 to me

[stark snow]

I mean sliding into deflect is still safer, and still opens up more positions

[mild tartan]

Heresy isn't that bad everyone just has to pull their weight and not be dumb about where they are at

jump to damnation seems crazy to me but idk

[pine topaz]

Seriously considering making a psyker with the LONER female voice

[static epoch]

if I'm not mistaken psykers take half toughness damage during sliding

[near wyvern]

Which is why XII lasgun build is actually decent. That and a good devil's claw and you are a veteran with less power but better survivability and a safe option to deal with anything at range (BB)

[tacit fractal]

Your staves stun, use them

[stark snow]

it's not that I can't play without it and position cover to cover, it's just that with it, it opens up more lanes and avenues

an enemy shooting into my deflector is effectively cc'd

[mild tartan]

When I spam slide I also virtually never get hit by ranged unless there's a true fuckton of them

[foggy isle]

If I want to play XII I just play my vet, I don't see the point of playing psyker if the optimal way to play it is to ignore the fact he is a psyker and use it like a lesser sharpshooter

[tacit fractal]

It’s a hybrid combat game rather than a melee focused one so yes it’s very much different, change your gameplans and figure it out as you go

[tacit fractal]

You don’t

[foggy isle]

It still feels heavily melee focus to me as of right now

[near wyvern]

I have witnessed a 3 stack of veterans go down under 4 gunners, 2 snipers, 2 reapers and a laser squad.

While a psyker can just hug a corner and safely (but painfully slowly) BB then down.

[tacit fractal]

If you’re having difficulty with ranged that’s probably why since in vt2 you only had ratlings, stormfiends and Ungor Archers as ranged meanwhile in Darktide it’s more main stream

[near wyvern]

Yeah people don't now how to hold angles and take cover

[static epoch]

we also have to know what cover is not bugged at our height too lol

[pine topaz]

RNGESUS

[near wyvern]

I have been shot through the floor by a gunner so it's not only cover that is bugged

[tacit fractal]

The game is a hybrid for the fact that you need to learn how to take cover against ranged and shoot ranged AND also learn when to use melee and avoid melee

[foggy isle]

bb on t4 and 5 doesn't feel worth it anymore (not that it felt that worth it on 3)
It takes at least 2 bb to kill most elites, which brings you up to 90+ peril
the time it takes me to kill those 4 gunner, the game will spawn a trapper or a dog on my butt

[stark snow]

tbh in this game, mainly falling back when its appropriate or necessary to better chokes, or push forward onto ranged when it's appropriate.

[near wyvern]

I only use it when I need to regain toughness or if there is a situation that is not safe to deal with other wise (under heavy supression fire)

That being said I use it the most against reapers, gunners and regular ranged mobs.

[foggy isle]

Yeah I've been shredded by gunner shooting between their own legs at a 90° angle through the floor

[vital bough]

BB on 4 or 5 is reserved specifically for:
Gunners
Bombers
Snipers
PoxBursters

Anything else just about always takes 2, 3, sometimes 4 for the ogryn, so it's not much worth it.

[zinc phoenix]

Why would you do that when you could just voidstrike it all to goo?

[tacit fractal]

Again, Psyker (or atleast the Psykinetic class is) is a support tank, you’re not meant to kill, you’re meant to blatantly weaken the enemy for others to pick off

[stark snow]

stun at half bb cast kinda underrated tbh

[vital bough]

This is kinda sad that it's what it's turned into though, was advertised as "high damage, glass cannon" lol

[foggy isle]

Gunner only take one? I felt like 2 but maybe those were flamers, I can't always tell them apart when they don't shoot

[stark snow]

just because you might not get the kill doesn't mean stopping the mob wasn't contributing

[near wyvern]

You can voidstrike everything yes but not if they are spread horizontally

[zinc phoenix]

It’s most of why I like it tbh. That and the Darth Vader roleplay 😂

[static epoch]

There's compositions where you have to use BB on helmet armor

[vocal hound]

Is the Mk V Dueling Sword always +15% dodge distance?

[tacit fractal]

Yup, it’s also annoying that people also bitch about Psykinetic being squishy when it really isn’t

[foggy isle]

yeah which brings me back to my point about the shop being shit for not droping me the weapon that would allow me to tank those range that I can't do crap about

[static epoch]

I think so @vocal hound

[foggy isle]

I'm immortal in melee that's not a problem

[zinc phoenix]

I still voidstrike it but maybe twice. A lasgun is literally just a worse voidstrike staff

[restive slate]

Which duelling sword is better?

[static epoch]

Yeah all of mine are 15%. I prefer mk5

[stark snow]

I mean, as other's mentioned, it is definitely possible to deal with ranged without, but I find deflector to be an infinitely more fun way to do it.

[foggy isle]

take the range spam out of the way and I probably can t5 without breaking much of a sweat

[zinc phoenix]

If you can roll it more power to you

[river crest]

Gunners are one, flamers are two, yes.

[stark snow]

I have a pretty good def sword, it's a lot of fun. Would be better with a diff second blessing and better perks but its still good

[tacit fractal]

It ain’t about the weapon, like Tony once said ”If you’re nothing without the armor, you shouldn’t have it” cause you can tank easy with any staff or melee against ranged or melee if played right

[foggy isle]

Who's Tony?

[tacit fractal]

Tony Stark from Marvel

[zinc phoenix]

I will say I definitely feel vulnerable to stuff like ragers and crushers on my other characters in a way I never do with my psyker because I can burst em or shout em or give em the zap from ye olde force sword

[foggy isle]

Psyker is the only one of my character I truly feel vulnerable to range with

[ornate hamlet]

imo psyker should have the camo perk veteran has

[vital bough]

Ideally I'd like Block Resistance Perk, and the "Quell" blessing on top of the Deflector.

Then I can truly just sit there like this, marking elites for my vet and tanking gunners:

https://tenor.com/view/astartes-warhammer40k-spacemarine-armour-laser-gif-17566336

[tacit fractal]

Cause Psyker plays a lot more differently than other archetypes

[ornate hamlet]

vet can tank with 200 toughness lol but he gets camoflage

[foggy isle]

vet has it because it's kind of his role to deal with range so it makes his life easier

[grave bobcat]

Vet tank

Pog

[tacit fractal]

This is what I feel like when I play Psyker a lot

[stark snow]

not sure I would prefer the quell as second, I guess max roll maybe, but it didn't feel huge for me when I was testing. TBH I'd be happy if my shred was max roll instead of t1, or have slaughterer as a 2nd blessing

[zinc phoenix]

What how?

[ashen ore]

i am new to psykers but range is not a problem for me at all. My ogryn though he gets wrecked

[zinc phoenix]

Shield into bull rush and then clobberin time

[river crest]

I'd rather have the ability to highlight specials. Psykers are literally space wizards, being able to divine enemy positions through walls feels more appropriate to psykers than veterans ("They can hide their bodies, but not their minds.")

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I like the force choke

[tacit fractal]

Gameplanning

[finite gazelle]

Damn I wish soulblaze wasn't cheeks

[grave bobcat]

Man this dagger rolled such good crit + bleed on crit

[zinc phoenix]

I can literally immobilize a lynchpin mob with BB and either do a good bit of damage or give other people the opportunity for the kill

[grave bobcat]

But bleed is so bad lmao

[tacit fractal]

Depends what soulblaze

[grave bobcat]

Sadgness

[zinc phoenix]

Biggest thing I dislike about psyker is my mouse hates holding right click on stuff

[foggy isle]

Maybe because of the way I play the class ?
Vet is meant to deal with range so I feel like jesus resurected popping heads non stop without a scratch
I play shield ogryn so I can just either charge or hunker down
And the mobility of the zealot is kind of enough for me to just skedaddle if shit hits the fan
Psyker I just feel like I have my pants down to my ankles everytime more than 3 dudes start shooting in my general direction

I feel too dependant to the other classes

[zinc phoenix]

I mean, you just hide behind a wall and pop their heads til they’re gone

[finite gazelle]

its all cheeks

[next blade]

just upgrade this for my psyker

[tacit fractal]

Nah

Ascendant Blaze is pretty nice when you don’t have any horde clear cc

Two other soulblaze feats though

Ass

[finite gazelle]

I prefer getting 50% taken of the cd of my f with 4 stacks

But I have horde clear

[tacit fractal]

Fair

[finite gazelle]

Still think its objectively worse to spec for soulblaze

[tacit fractal]

It’s a fun toy

[finite gazelle]

If it had some sort of stun then maybe the other two perks would have some use

[grave bobcat]

Man bleed is sadness

[vital bough]

Kinetic Overload is underrated imo.

It's probably the best out of all the Soulblaze perks in terms of flat damage you do, though it's only good in the specific case of you running both Ascendant Blaze for Warp Charges, and Psychic Communion for Warp Charges, every extra charge flows over in huge hordes for several charges a second, putting upwards of 12 SB stacks on the closest elite and making them burn for 153 instantly.

But yeah it's still ass all around for Soulblaze

[grave bobcat]

Can't even think of a way to make it viable

[stark snow]

idk I tried kinetic overload with both those feats and flamer, still felt bad

like really bad

[tacit fractal]

Kinetic flayer hits harder though, especially with the warp charge feat from first row

[stark snow]

just didn't proc enough

and half the time it would proc, no mobs in range, since it only does it to a nearby mob

[finite gazelle]

becuase it is, when your getting stacks from communion and flayer, and getting 4 stacks reliably having quicken just means you can negate peril like its nothing

soulblaze requires so much investment for meh dot

[tacit fractal]

I feel like having quietitude and peril resistance feats together is counter productive

[night marten]

good point

probably not noticeable to any significant extent, but you could say a different choice would make more sense

[tacit fractal]

Good i’m not the most insane sibling here atleast alone

[vital bough]

Once every 15 seconds, for about 900-1000 dmg.

Versus an average of 1 warp charge every 3 seconds, that'd be 20 charges for Overload, which would burn 1 elite for 326 a second.
The overall (POTENTIAL) damage is higher with Overload since it's theoretically not on any CD, stacks infinitely, and is only gated by how many warp charges you can get, and how fast you can.

And 1 warp charge every 3 seconds is generous, lots of times you can get several within 1 second, especially in large hordes.
That being said, I'd still say the entire build for Soulblaze is a bit underwhelming and just kinda lackluster all around.

[finite gazelle]

give sb stun

[night marten]

just one of the problems with KO is that it requires max stacks to proc, but only one of the 30 talents doesn't blow your stacks

[vital bough]

It has stun, will stagger everything but dogs, mutants, and ogryn. It's just a very short stagger.

[night marten]

in particular, not the one meant to synergize with soulblaze damage

[tacit fractal]

For some random ass reason carapace armor makes Crushers and Maulers more resistant to soulblaze even though you’re literally lighting them on fire with warp fuckery

[finite gazelle]

Yeah but those are the ones you kind of want to stagger, I feel like if you get a sb on any of those it should stun them

[tacit fractal]

My go to damnation build is 121133, sounds odd but it works and it’s fun

Antax + surge

[smoky linden]

its funny that ogryn chat is the opposite of psyker chat: they are not heretical at all and are very chill

[grave bobcat]

Ogryns do't have staffs to argue over

[finite gazelle]

just rations

[tacit fractal]

Yeah, we’re just mad lot bickering about which magic stick is best

We love em still

[drowsy fog]

ogryns are a good lot

[smoky linden]

all weapons ok in ogryin land: whatever makes you laugh most is best

[finite gazelle]

luv me emperor
simple as

[night marten]

maybe it's supposed to synergize with wrack and ruin or something comboing with barrage?? but I feel like even combining both of them their effects will be negligible

[vital bough]

Yeah but I can instantly get it back to 4 within probably 5 seconds or so if I'm killing stuff with the staff (warp charge though AB) and sticking around my teammates (warp charges through Psychic Communion), especially if I just F'd and burnt a whole crowd, that's a 10% chance on every burn kill for a charge.

It's actually a really cool loop imo.
AB and Communion give you max charges consistently, funnels every extra charge into Overload, Overload kills proc AB Warp Charges, which procs more Overload, which procs more charges, etc...

They just need to adjust the damage numbers on Soulblaze to be more front ended so you don't have to get everything to 12+ stacks to do any damage worth a shit, it'd feel a fuckton better and actually make the Soulblaze a lot stronger by simply making it do a bit more damage up front.

[drowsy fog]

would play an ogryn purely for the option to use an lmg

[tacit fractal]

They do agree though kickback sucks lmao

And sort of ripper gun

[tacit fractal]

”light”

[smoky linden]

they just wish it didn't suck lolol, give it reload like its nade launcher cousin

[half iron]

it’s light if you are strong enough

[smoky linden]

it literally loads slower than the nade launcher version, how does that make sense? lol

[night marten]

mechanically I definitely see the potential. I don't think it's currently a viable option for heresy/damnation for exactly what you described, not enough frontend damage from soulblaze

[tacit fractal]

It’s still like a medium heavy weight for em

[night marten]

there's clearly some intended synergy

[tacit fractal]

No idea

[vital bough]

No, it's not that viable lol, it's why I still got my Surge to yellow before the Purg staff.

It's just fun, and I've played with it and tested it a good bit, so I know a little about it is all, but lots of times I even mention the numbers, even say that it's not a good build before hand, and I get a bunch of chest-beaters upset at me cause I'm "trying to rationalize it being a good build" or something idk lol

[tacit fractal]

Rations?!

Where rations?

[night marten]

oh for sure, majority of people entering a mechanics/balance discussion are just going to drumbeat their preferred flavor lol

[tacit fractal]

[vital bough]

Here, your daily helping of Corpse Starch.

Eat up

[night marten]

can't make distinctions between "fun", "optimal", and how different setups excel in different situations. I try to give advice to people who ask it and sometimes get annoyed enough to give a snappy response to someone who's making bad claims

[ashen ore]

Anyone doing penance run for Cliffhanger?

[left moat]

desperate for rebless to come out

[vital bough]

Just get rid of Sprint efficiency, swap headtaker out when blessing modifying hits, and you'll have a great weapon there.

[mild tartan]

Day 47: I have checked the cash shop over 900 times. I have seen exactly 3 staves, 2 force swords, and a tactical axe

[left moat]

you like limbsplitter?

[vital bough]

It's amazing on the Antax because the best use for the antax is blocking, and shove attacking.

The one shove attack always counts as first hit

and it also has the best cleave for that weapon

[grave bobcat]

Holy shit

[vital bough]

take peril blocking and you'll do great

[tacit fractal]

I think it’s funny that people go out to try Psyker thinking it’s going to play the same way as Veteran when you’re using fucking magic from an actual existing hell and then basically go like ”Damn instead of changing my gameplan to fit the archetypes and treat it the way others are i’m going to ignore improving, complain about it on Discord that it’s the archetype that sucks and not my playstyle I want to play it as which is Veteran or Zealot”

[grave bobcat]

Finalyl

Dude

Holy shit

And this idiot

[fading shoal]

congrats

[grave bobcat]

just straight selling it

[vital bough]

That's just about the same fucking sword I got

[grave bobcat]

After fucking

20+ upgrade gamba

jesus christ lol

[tacit fractal]

Congrats, now get one that’s 380 modded antax mk v axe

[grave bobcat]

I hate this gaem

I already have a 380 antax

I don't liek it

[cyan notch]

i have 4 deflectors but not very good rolls

[tacit fractal]

Fair enough lol

[potent breach]

force sword should have deflectors by default

[tacit fractal]

Get a 380 fs then

[grave bobcat]

I have a 378 one that got griefed by the gamba 😛

[tacit fractal]

L

[grave bobcat]

Truly

[tacit fractal]

Just wait for wednesday to put that deflector to it

[cyan notch]

good one

[grave bobcat]

It got 2 dead rolsl

[cyan notch]

[vital bough]

legit like, the same damn sword lol

[potent breach]

Wednesday will let you reroll a single perk not blessings

[junior anvil]

^

[grave bobcat]

It'd be funny if it rolled the same

[tacit fractal]

Wasn’t one of the things re-bless?

[cyan notch]

nomegalul

[tacit fractal]

Damn

That sucks

Like that really sucks ass

[vital bough]

Bro wtf

its deleting my message

👻

[tacit fractal]

What message?

[vital bough]

It's not the ghost

[grave bobcat]

Shame I don't want to use it rn

[small hornet]

Does the game sometimes not register a mission completion for quests?

[vital bough]

If I could hit enter and send it, I would lol

[small hornet]

[grave bobcat]

Aforementioned antax

[tacit fractal]

If you mean weeklies yes

Bugs

[finite gazelle]

bruh finally got a yellow force sword and its dodo blessings

[grave bobcat]

I'll show you my griefed one 2 secs

[candid mesa]

I'm just here patiently waiting for the stat swap system to go live this week.

[haughty schooner]

Looks really good

[grave bobcat]

Literally my inventory

[vital bough]

Executer can actually be good when you hit a big ogryn in the head with the charge attack, hits 3 or 4 times before the final burst on the charge so it can get you most of the Power % stacks and all of them hit the weakspot.

But Blazing Spirit is straight ass

[grave bobcat]

Is a graveyard

for FS

[grave bobcat]

Its not

This one sucked to grief

Cause it has really good rolls

[white badger]

Pray to your favorite Chaos God that crafting will allow us to swap Blessings soon 😉

[tacit fractal]

What in the God-Emperor’s shit is that first garbage ass vomit inducing expired corpse-starch blessing

[candid mesa]

This one's perfect

[grave bobcat]

One day

[spiral remnant]

DAAAMN

[vital bough]

Get to 100% peril
Only get +3% power

[white badger]

But hey, Force Swords are so last week. Now, it's all about the Axe-Mage build! Right? 🙂

[spiral remnant]

i want it 🤤

[tacit fractal]

Block efficiency could be different

[grave bobcat]

I'm tryna get a better dagger rn lol

[spiral remnant]

most peope either like MKV or force sword

[haughty schooner]

I’ve taken a liking to tactical axe and purgatus staff

[spiral remnant]

based fellow combat knife user

[vital bough]

Block efficiency is great on Deflector FS's imo.
It also reduces your peril buildup if you use peril blocking.

[tacit fractal]

It’s fs and antax mk v axe players here

[spiral remnant]

i don't... block...

:)

[candid mesa]

👀

[spiral remnant]

probably why i cant beat damnation

[echo parrot]

Somebody say knife?

[spiral remnant]

yessir

love me knoif

[echo parrot]

Excellent

[grave bobcat]

I have one that crits every 2nd hit but low rolls 😦

[spiral remnant]

theres a movement tech

by sliding at the right time

[grave bobcat]

So I'm waiting for the shop to bless

[white badger]

I believe Block Efficiency works with Peril Block.. but it's frankly very hard to test:

[spiral remnant]

you can have increase sliding speed

and negate the movement debuff of the forced swing

[grave bobcat]

actually crits more often than not

which is nice

[echo parrot]

I use a knife and run damnation easy, you got this.

[spiral remnant]

i was referring to my habit of not blocking 😃

ehe

oops

[vale terrace]

What are the good weapons for psyker before I get the bread and butter shit?

[echo parrot]

Lel

[vital bough]

Whatever is highest ilvl

[vale terrace]

been using devil claw and trying to find a ranged that isnt terrible

[white badger]

Spopy, until you get a decent Void/ Purge/ Force staff, just use a good lasgun.

[vale terrace]

aight

[vital bough]

higher average ilvl on your character means the shop sells you weapons with higher ilvl so the earlier you climb numbers the better

[grave bobcat]

Soon I shall have a dagger that crits 80% of the time

It is ordained

[white badger]

As for melee, look for the MK V axe. It's ludicrously good for us, with the peril block feat. 100% safety in hordes.

[vital bough]

I think MK V axe is great for surge, where surge struggles in the hordes, but with staffs like purg or voidstrike, you can kinda forgo the horde-killing melee and grab a Force sword instead to compensate for the loss in single target, and use the FS with deflector for taking 0 gunner damage

MK V axe is kinda just good all around regardless though

[grave bobcat]

I wish it would tell me the actual crit chance of my dagger

Cause it feels like they're hiding a stat that is different on each one

[white badger]

That is insightful, Swampy.

[grave bobcat]

😦

[scarlet lily]

Force sword is still goat

[grave bobcat]

And this feels like it ain't working

[vocal hound]

Isn't there a must-have blessing on the mkV axe?

[scarlet lily]

if we could throw the axe as a special or something

there's a must have one most weapons imo

[vital bough]

That's a max of %15 damage so it's not surprising that it feels like it isn't working, not a whole lot of difference imo

And you only get that after 5 weakspot hits?

kinda ehhhh

[grave bobcat]

I mean the number just doesn't change

in grinder

[white badger]

Force Sword is great for tanking gunners with the Deflector feat. But the Axe is better at cleave, at blocking and about the same at single-target. I switch between these two, depending on which staff I am gonna use:

[vital bough]

Dude so many of the blessings just don't work in the grinder

They literally are still fixing a bunch of them to actually work while in the meatgrinder

[spiral remnant]

i personally think FS with deflector carries in damnation

ranged will tear you a new one

[grave bobcat]

Yeah so I can't even tell anymore

[stark snow]

I don't think this is provn

[spiral remnant]

a missed scab shotgunner is a death sentence for a squishy build

[scarlet lily]

Hmm maybe cleave but force sword is cooler and crazy at blocking

[grave bobcat]

And I won't be able to "feel" 15

only measure it lol

But grinder bork

[white badger]

Yeah... if you don't have a competent vet handling them pronto, gunners are just ugly

[scarlet lily]

Can you block a crusher overhead slam with the axe

[white badger]

Force sword is way cooler, I agree!

[grave bobcat]

ignore

ssving numbers for a sedclol

[white badger]

I've never tried to block that with any weapon. I have dodge bound to a mousekey 😉

[vital bough]

I mostly prefer Force Sword because hordes aren't an issue to me, but ranged is.

My vets are usually good at killing elites before me but leave every chaos gunner and dreg gunner alive to tear my asshole a new one.

[scarlet lily]

You only try it once... Either way, if it could it'd be a better block.. But idk deflector makes the block nutty

[white badger]

The MKV Axe doesn't make sense until you use it. It's Push-Block is a 100% safe loop, and it does a heap of damage

[scarlet lily]

Same for force sword

[river crest]

apparently with enough block efficiency and stamina bonuses since someone here said overheads just do extra peril/stamina damage.

[scarlet lily]

Infact force push is kinda wild

[white badger]

Nope. FS does crap damage if not charged

[grave bobcat]

It's so weird how hard people seem to focus on horde clearing

[river crest]

it does no damage though. You're just stalling the horde, not clearing it

axe clears it

[white badger]

Cal, if you're running pubs, half the time nobody else is prepared for hordes. Or at least, that happens to me.

[scarlet lily]

It's slower probably yeah, but it clears pretty well

Depends on your rolls

[grave bobcat]

I run pubs most of the time and nope I see people mostly hard prio horde clearing

And even on top of that

[scarlet lily]

I have been rolling for a good flak/unarmored fs

[grave bobcat]

Any melee weapon deals with horde imo

[scarlet lily]

this

[grave bobcat]

Efficacy can be debated

[white badger]

Sure. Eventually.

[grave bobcat]

But it's not like you're helples

[stark snow]

I mean, if oyu macro, fs is really not bad on horde imo

[vital bough]

Do not use FS for clearing hordes if you can help it lol.

Its best use is single target DPS with the charge, and blocking with deflector.
The Shove-Attack can actually open up Bulwarks for your team if you get behind them tho lol
You can still keep a horde at bay (kinda) by just light spamming but it's nowhere near as safe and effective as cleaving with the shove attack on MK V

[scarlet lily]

If you're doing 4/5 constant waves, the horde is literally the last issue

[grave bobcat]

The anim cancel on FS is insane for Horde clearing especially with Slaughter

But even then

[scarlet lily]

[grave bobcat]

Like, I can do it wit ha dagger? I'm not really concerned about hordes ever really

Gunners tho

[river crest]

horde clearing isn't really your job, but inevitably you'll get into a situation where you're surrounded and need to. I liked the force sword but axe was a lot safer for me (I also just like axes over swords 😄 )

[grave bobcat]

😠

[white badger]

With Dagger, I just LA LA Dodge Back, Repeat. Not sure if it's optimal, but it's fairly safe. Also fun.

[scarlet lily]

I like the force sword because it can make space in any overwhelming situation

[nocturne palm]

which sword should i take (this shop is a joke)

[grave bobcat]

Eh with dagger you can cut a hole

And get out of a corner if needed

But otherwise

Like I dunno I just don't consider hordes dangerous

[mild tartan]

Hordes are for stress relief

[grave bobcat]

And as long as you're positioning responsibly around angles

[scarlet lily]

Its only when you hear the back to back howls and "eheheh another one for the collection"

[grave bobcat]

You're not in much danger either

lmfao

[white badger]

Inverted, don't look at rarity. Look at the stat bars first. On that sword, you want Damage and Cleave mostly. Even a grey weapon with good stats is good.

[mild tartan]

The best stuff I've seen has usually been grays

[scarlet lily]

But even then, we have instant specials interrupt on f..

[nocturne palm]

???

[vital bough]

The Shove-Attack only pushes back the first target it hits, normal shove only barely stumbles people in front of you.
I'm sorry but the MK V axe is just going to all around trump the FS for everything other than single target dps (which is still kinda debatable depending on perks/blessings), and blocking with deflector.

[grave bobcat]

I run surge most of the time but

As long as my team has a gunner clearer

I'm fine with just a melee if needed

WHether or not my team dies to specials bedcause I didn't kill them is a different story 🥲

But I'm alive

[scarlet lily]

The shove attack is for ragers or bursters, the spammable one locks down hordes

[grave bobcat]

So thats where I put my focus

[white badger]

Right. When people theorycraft, it's mostly for "everyone plays properly." The Vet handles specials and gunners, the Zealot has a flamer for hordes, the Ogryn does.. Ogryn things. If that's all true, we can be great in our niche. But when I plan, I assume my group will have an awful composition and at least one dude who thinks Coherency is a debuff. So I come up with different builds 😉

[grave bobcat]

I just do things I find fun 🤷

[white badger]

That is probably the smartest approach

I, however, am not a smart man

[grave bobcat]

And usually, the gunners are always my problem

loll

[white badger]

I blame all those paint chips I ate as a kid

[grave bobcat]

But I can try out deflector at some point now

[vital bough]

Wtf? You're not breaking down the numbers, deep diving into the code, and finding the highest achievable dps???

You must not like the fucking game then, dude. Like wtf.

I swear all these casuals "playing for fun"

[grave bobcat]

Oh no I am

[scarlet lily]

Fun is the goal

[grave bobcat]

I Find that shit

[scarlet lily]

and cool tbh

[vital bough]

Sarcasm btw

[grave bobcat]

Incredibly fun

[vital bough]

"Dude you have to play Surge or you're fucking over your tea-"
Me - "Purgatus Staff go brrrrrt, haha"

[grave bobcat]

Whatever build I decide I'm trying to make, I always try to make it as effective as possible

[river crest]

fun is #1 priority

[white badger]

Yeah. Standing in a chokepoint, purging a horde with flame.. that is some awesome spacewizard stuff 🙂

[half iron]

style and fun are the cool parts of any game

[grave bobcat]

Eh PvE game

[vital bough]

This I completely agree with, but at the same time I'm not gonna choose the build just based on numbers, only on cool factor.

Then I be cool to the best of my abilities. 😎

[grave bobcat]

most players are going to be bad

🤷 just be better for yourself

[spiral remnant]

surge doesnt have the damage or # of targets affected i'd like

[scarlet lily]

nothing beats it

[restive slate]

There is anim cancel on force sword?

[grave bobcat]

BUT

THe game doesn't tell me most of the fucking numbers

OR

The environment for testing them is busted

[white badger]

I know it's not optimal.. but Purgatus and a MKV are the build that I can carry with, at least a bit. With a Surge staff, I feel way more dependant on good play by my team

[vital bough]

"But bro, it's the best staff. Psyker is CC only support, you can't play it any other way" - Beta
"surge doesnt have the damage or # of targets affected i'd like" - Gigachad

[grave bobcat]

So its annoying to

[spiral remnant]

that last stand on the fab map?

that's where i live to main purg

[grave bobcat]

But my dagger according to grinder

Crits about 60% of the time rn

So time to test

[white badger]

Your dagger has a Grindr account?

[grave bobcat]

Stop asking people that Snit

Nobody wants to see your Grindr

[white badger]

hehe

[restive slate]

Double euphemism

[grave bobcat]

I just hope and pray someone is range clearer

[restive slate]

We need a Psykr app

[grave bobcat]

Cause last run was griefed by a purg pskyer

lol

[vital bough]

Psykonnect! The new dating app for Psykers!!

Will you find your mental match? Try it today!

[grave bobcat]

I have nitro wtf

WHy am I getting ads

[half iron]

my beloved says he supports that idea

[white badger]

Like.. he said you're psykering wrong, or something? What, not enough BBspam on random poxwalkers? 🙂

[restive slate]

Blanks banned

[grave bobcat]

Lmao while the BB spammers are the more common encounter

He was trying to do his penance in a random pug

[white badger]

Yeah. I die a little inside when grouped with someone who is clearly razor-focused on maintaining his warp charges.

[white badger]

Ahh.. which one? Malleus M?

[grave bobcat]

No idea I didn't ask, we just kicked them

lmao

[white badger]

Heh

[grave bobcat]

Wow that was afast game

Joined into the ending lobby lmfao

It's cause the only thing our comp was lacking is range clear

[vague ridge]

just had a rando team with three psykers and one sharpshooter. shit was op

[grave bobcat]

So a purge psyker who does the opposite and DOESNT EVER use BB to kill Sniper/Bomber/etc

[spiral remnant]

had a ghost busters team once with 4 surges

[white badger]

BB is for Snipers & Bombers

[half iron]

bb is for all whom look at us funny

[grave bobcat]

Like there are 3 bulwarks running at your frontline + horde and other usual candidate specials involved

They decide that the orgyn and his shield is in danger 🥲

ANd the horde is the problem

[ornate hamlet]

Any tips for "Going out with a bang"?

[vital bough]

Good luck, and have fun!! 🙂 🙂

[grave bobcat]

Thought process just doesn't connect with mine at all

[stray silo]

Gunner teams are your best bet

Game has a bad habit of spawning them and they suck in melee/stick close to each other

just uh

Good luck getting close

[bleak tulip]

do some damage to ragers first, your explosion wont kill em otherwise

try it out in meat

[ornate hamlet]

good thought

[bleak tulip]

I wouldnt be surprised if it scales with charges and all but still inconsistent

[stray silo]

Speaking of, still trying to do my penances (cliffhanger and bang)

Any tips for 'training' enemies so I can loop them without fucking dying

[bleak tulip]

get a force sword and side dodge to kite em

you want one for both of those anyway to push or generate peril

[grave bobcat]

I'm smiling rn, it's funny every time

[fickle hearth]

If possible, hit ragers twice with the staff left click. That weakens them enough to die from the explosion. Also if you see maulers...brain pop them once and they will also die. I did it on 2 maulers and a rager and got it, also had an ogryn agro them with a shield.

[stray silo]

Doesn't a headbang technically count as a pop just with slightly less damage?

[spiral remnant]

what... what happened?

[grave bobcat]

A gift from the emperor

[bleak tulip]

"ledge"

[grave bobcat]

Penance mi'lord

[night marten]

they fell off a barrel

[grave bobcat]

lmao

Barrel = map

Sheer drop

Deadly height

Saintly what lvl are you?

[stray silo]

9

[grave bobcat]

Cap

You ain't

[stray silo]

Almost 10

[vital bough]

no

[stray silo]

What makes you say that?

[grave bobcat]

Well you're tying to do your penances

For whatever reason at lvl 9

I was gonna help you but you can get lvl 30 first

lol

[stray silo]

Because suffering is temporary

Drip is eternal

Besides they don't seem like 'hard' penances

Just really fucking finicky

[brazen tundra]

I got monstronum at level 11 cause the more drip I have the more willing I am to play the character

[grave bobcat]

Hopefully using Kinetic Shield doesn't grief me 🥲

[brazen tundra]

Is it worth holding out for a deflector FS or is that just a niche blessing that’s cool to have but not all that good compared to other benefits?

[ornate hamlet]

Which should I choose?

[river crest]

for an FS there's no better blessing. You can use a force sword without it, and upgrade it as a stopgap, but you'll eventually want a good deflector one

[river crest]

neither, really, but if you had to pick, the blue

[brazen tundra]

My current FS has shred and I think slaughterer on it

[grave bobcat]

|Goddamn

Give

Those are the 2 I awnt

lol

[ashen ore]

Is this feat setup worth while?

[river crest]

yes

[brazen tundra]

I’ve gone from level 1-30 and seen no deflector FS

Smh no defensive FS only one capable of considerably amounts of murder

[brazen tundra]

It’s got damage to elites and crit chance as it’s perks too

[stray silo]

As the Omniss-

I mean, Emperor intended

[grave bobcat]

pur nice

[river crest]

I didn't get a deflector FS until 30, and it's not even a good one

[grave bobcat]

Already showed some of my 20+ FS graveyard earlier

[stray silo]

What does deflector do? reduce blocking cost?

[grave bobcat]

of all my griefed rols

[river crest]

I do got this though. But I expect it won't roll deflector

[river crest]

lets you block ranged attacks

[stray silo]

Ah

[ashen ore]

you become a jedi

[stark snow]

ripost = 😦

[river crest]

ye. Needs crafting

to replace

[steel egret]

Mine did luckily

So dont give up

[spiral remnant]

emprah.... why...

please...

[grave bobcat]

lole

nice claw sword

[spiral remnant]

😭

[vestal finch]

the Carrion Lord Himself sent me a lightsaber as a gift

With your beloved deflector blessing

[white badger]

Deflector is rare. I have been checking the shop probably 12x/ day since beta started (I work from home). I've seen maybe a half-dozen swords with it. Out of hundreds.

[spiral remnant]

i mean.... eh??

i seriously dont know how to get any base rating past 370.

i've maxed out my gear so far

big E's gifsts dont exceed what i have already

[white badger]

SeaR... you start with a 350 - 370 grey

[spiral remnant]

and the shop, even after like 30 rolls

[spiral remnant]

naw i mean like

finding a weapon with base rating higher than 370

[vocal hound]

The Accatran Mk VId Recon Lasgun has inverted damage drop-off and it's incredible!

[grave bobcat]

I'm stilll mad it does more damage overall than revovler

with 500 ammo+

[cyan notch]

revolver is so op they gave it a 5 year reload and 0 reserve ammo

[river crest]

frequency

[steep vortex]

Greetings fellow psykers,

What is the local opinion on the "flame force staff"?

[spiral remnant]

giving revolver more reserve and like... a decent reload speed could make it actually pretty good

[spiral remnant]

awesome

not the MOST viable

[steep vortex]

Splendid

[river crest]

it is very good

[spiral remnant]

but most fun imo

makes me really feel like a space wizard

[river crest]

I've seen some contention on that here 😄

[steep vortex]

I agree. Which talents would you recommend while using this staff?

[white badger]

Ah.. I have seen exactly one 380, a combat knife. And I check the shop way more than a healthy person should. They're superduper rare

[grave bobcat]

😦

I WANNIT

[white badger]

If we could trade, I'd give it to you, heh.

It's just lockerlitter for me

[stark snow]

vld is far and away bis imo

for guns anyway

[white badger]

I think vets argue between that one and the MK XII.

[river crest]

I've got 6 380 weapons. Revolver, K12, Force Sword, Rashad Axe, Mk VIII Headhunter, and a Mk IV Tac Axe. But that's after 200 hours.

[white badger]

Wow

I hope the Sword rolls deflector for you, then!

[river crest]

it won't! 😄

[white badger]

You'll get Hip Fire

Somehow

[drowsy fog]

so I just learned about the high intensity heresy bug

[rough mulch]

???

[white badger]

Isn't it fun?

[drowsy fog]

honestly

yes

I had a blast

[grave bobcat]

lol

[white badger]

Heh. Yeah, if you draw a good group, it's a glorious, splattery mess.

[grave bobcat]

Did a high int damn with Purple before

it was insane

[drowsy fog]

it was the mission with the contagions in the vault, I chilled in a vault and purged everything in the door

[river crest]

devs have said it's just a display bug. Whatever it says on the mission select is what it is in the mission, even if tab says high intensity

[drowsy fog]

what I was told is its endless spawns, which is what happened

[white badger]

Don't believe 'em 🙂

[river crest]

😄

[drowsy fog]

supposedly harder than damnation

[river crest]

it's not

though diff jump from 4 to 5 isn't near as much as 3 to 4

if you can do 4s you can generally do 5s

[celest oar]

thats b.s its not a ui bug

3 plague ogryns spawn and they dare to say its a ui bug

it dosent count for special condition misson clear, but in-misson you see multiple monstrosities and way more spawns

[spiral remnant]

How do I increase that average stat? Were most of these from the shop?

[white badger]

So I had to google "sea rabbit" to see if it's an actual animal. It is! Cool 🙂

[rough mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-slug-seaslug-bunny-gif-19060004

[river crest]

they were all from the normal random shop. And as far as I can tell it's RNG. Some people say you need to buy more higher level stuff to get more higher level stuff, but I've not seen any evidence of that.

[white badger]

They're kinda adorable

[drowsy fog]

shop is just bad 90% of the time

[white badger]

You just gotta keep checking

[celest oar]

not everyone has all the time in the world to check every hour every day

[white badger]

Yep. It's an awful design

[deft fiber]

Just set up the timer for every hour bro.

[stark snow]

someone make shopbot for darktide tbh

I'm tempted 😦

[white badger]

Good loot should come from skilled play, not "I work from home and have insomnia"

[celest oar]

you realize people have jobs and life outside of darktide right?

[drowsy fog]

log in at work and check every hour obviously

[deft fiber]

Huh, what?

[stark snow]

think edax was being sarcastic 😛

[hollow granite]

Is not Soulblaze kinda weak?

[white badger]

The effect? Yes, it's weak

[stark snow]

soulblaze is bis for highlighting the enemies

[white badger]

The staff will put out some good damage, tho

[stark snow]

it's like an OP mark

[ornate hamlet]

Heretic.

[grave bobcat]

I wanna try the soulblaze FS

But not seen it yet 😦

[celest oar]

hush, go worship your corpse god

[ornate hamlet]

You mean Jesus? 😛

[stark snow]

I feel like you'd need max rend on a soulblaze FS to make it worth it and that means no deflector 😦

[celest oar]

my pysker hates the imperium

[grave bobcat]

Mauler turned on cheats wth

Literally phased through a wall to hit me lol

[stark snow]

would you turn on the imperium if I told you the heretics had a better shop system?

[restive slate]

Renegade here

[celest oar]

absolutely

[restive slate]

Let's get to some Rogue Tradin

[celest oar]

whelp, tmr will be ogryn week

unless both weapons turns out to be trash

[kindred edge]

My boy Pork Chop is already 30, best believe I'm gonna see what's up with the new stuff

[grave bobcat]

I got fuckin gamed on

[kindred edge]

Pro gamer move

[foggy whale]

both weapons wont show up for the first 18 shop rotations

[unborn hare]

I feel like this is god-tier, am I stupid?

Poxwalkers don't exist around me anymore, it's just warp mist everywhere I look

[celest oar]

its not god-tier per say, its very good though

but the best blessing (quell peril) is missing

[unborn hare]

I'm a scrub, which blessing is that specifically?

[celest oar]

quell x% peril on headshot

[unborn hare]

ooo haven't seen that one, roger

[celest oar]

shoot though a horde and you get peril regen

theres also one which generates double hits on crit

[kindred edge]

I have a 325ish with that perk, it's amazing

The peril one

[weary wasp]

Blazing spirit is utter garbo tho

[celest oar]

also unless you animation cancel, the voidstrike hits too slowly to make use of crits

[candid temple]

if it had 73%+ charge over blast radius, it'd be better.

[celest oar]

of course... if you anim cancel, thats a whole other story

[unborn hare]

yeah blazing spirit kinda trash, I literally don't notice it

[bleak tulip]

pretty bad blessings overall, but the base staff is good

[candid temple]

What game offers 'skillbased' loot, that is more than skins? 🤔

[celest oar]

welcome to the voidstrike machinegun, then you can make use of crits @unborn hare

[bleak tulip]

wouldnt get used to it, this'll get fixed likely soon

[kindred edge]

All of them that offer better loot on higher difficulties

[celest oar]

nah not anytime soon

[river crest]

like fanning the trigger on a revolver

[bleak tulip]

because it breaks all staves

[celest oar]

they have to re-do the entire animation and add a hard lock to fix it

in programing development terms, thats not easy to do

[bleak tulip]

no? they just have to add a delay

[celest oar]

we are interrupting that very delay right now

[bleak tulip]

it literally lets you keep casting past 100% peril so yeah its gonna get fixed lol

[celest oar]

thats a completely different cancel

[bleak tulip]

its the same functionality

[celest oar]

completely different - . -

[bleak tulip]

same issue with being able to cancel animations

[celest oar]

alright i will give the same explanation i did ystd then

[bleak tulip]

either way that shit is highly not intended and I personally wouldnt waste my time getting good at it

[unborn hare]

I'll utilize my warp machine gun while it lasts, tyvm. I didn't realize there were blessings that good so I'm going to go read up on those

[celest oar]

can i just find my history here... this is hard to type out while i am suffering from food coma lolz

^

thats for sprint cancel and its easy to fix and thats the 100% no explode exploit

[weary wasp]

Don't remember the game, but there was a patch where animation canceling was done in such way, where you were "committed" To animation for about 70% of it, minus a chunk of recovery frames

[celest oar]

its not that easy to fix the void strike precisely because of this, we are interrupting the recovery frame after the bolt leaves the staff

only way is to hard cap the entire animation to be unable to be cancelled at all, or change the animation completely

both of which results in massive problems and development time, hence its not easy to fix

[bleak tulip]

it really isnt but you go ahead and keep using it if its fun for you

[celest oar]

sprint cancel for 100% explode can be easily fixed though

[grave bobcat]

I mean tbf, the projectile for Purge disppears if you do it t oo fast anyway

So the logic is already there

Man I got absolutely carried that damn mission

Like literally every gunner in town was there

Jeez

[bleak tulip]

you dont have to do shit to the animation to fix this and I dont really understand how you think its functionally any different from the sprint cancel, its the same fuctionality with the same fix: more recovery, or a delay that decays after you spam shit for a few times

[weary wasp]

I doubt it's in any of priority lists out there. We're talking something less than 1% of players would bother doing

Much like penances

[celest oar]

you obviously dont understand how interrupts work

[bleak tulip]

depends on whose job it is to fix it, working on network stability and crashes isnt the same people as working on animations and shit

[celest oar]

we are interrupting the animation itself, no amount of recovery will save you when you interrupt it

they have to remove the entire possibility of interrupting actions for all weapons

[severe dove]

Male seer psyker is gay

[weary wasp]

I'd rather they fix jank hounds

[celest oar]

that makes combat super clunky

[bleak tulip]

hence my second idea

im sure the smartheads at fartshark will come up with something better than some idiots in the psyker channel

[celest oar]

adding a delay wont help either for aforementioned reasons

[bleak tulip]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree before we keep spamming this shit

[celest oar]

its pysker discussion and we are talking about pyskers so its fine

interrupt resets combos and delays, there is already a pre-existing delay but sprint / reload / melee interrupts break that flow

[weary wasp]

Here's the deal: a block/quickswap of majority of the people will suffer from fixing what only a few gigasweats would bother to do

[celest oar]

hence any attempt to modify it requires modifying the entire combat system to not be able to interrupt at all

[weary wasp]

So I don't see why they would do it

[celest oar]

or changing the voidstrike staff animation specifically

[grave bobcat]

Depends how easy it is to fix 🤷

But cba talking about work in psyker chat lmfao

[celest oar]

i am waiting for my coffee to kick in because food coma lolz

gotta get thoese daemons out of my head

[grave bobcat]

Man I can't get any tankier vs gunners now 😦

Aside from just flat toughness stack

[celest oar]

does the gunner damage resist work against normal shooters and shotgunners?

[grave bobcat]

Not sure

Its not the easiest to test either lol

[celest oar]

stand in front of a shotgunner in damanation and see if it melts your toughness.... oh wait

[grave bobcat]

They still do SO much fucking damage to me with max resist yoo

Wait both with and without

he woudl 1 shot me

Hmm

if the clip is in time

Part of the man I peeked into 3 specila gunners lol

So can check the dmg on that

Then you can check without resist 😛

[celest oar]

wish the meatgrinder let us test damage resist as well lolz

cant test any toughness changes there

[foggy whale]

it probably works like grimoir corruption resist and actually does nothing :)

[grave bobcat]

Don't say that mans

Invalidating my Curios smh

[celest oar]

well... i know quell peril on repeated weak spot hit for the FS does absolutely nothing... so i wont be suprised

[grave bobcat]

never used it

I do have a FS with it though

[celest oar]

unless it actually means multiple weakspot hits

i tried it in the meatgrinder and it did not reduce any peril no matter how many consecutive headshots i hit

[grave bobcat]

That one isn't ahrd to test tho

o

Just bad lole

[vague ridge]

I want to bitch slap whichever dev thought it'd be ok to let enemies spawn right on our ass. there was nothing behind me when I checked at all, 2 seconds later after I turn around 2 shotgunners spawn practically in my asshole and down me. like wtf bruh

[grave bobcat]

Man gets walked up on from behind

[celest oar]

no amount of skill / teamwork can save you from a ninja poxburster that spawns right behind you

[grave bobcat]

Proclaims the man with no skill!

Do both the non special/elite ranged units deal the same amount of damage?

[vague ridge]

them poxbursters can be hella aggravating

[grave bobcat]

Cause if they don't then this gets really annoying

[vague ridge]

if ur team decides not to focus them that is

[grave bobcat]

@celest oar

Answer now or else 😠

[vague ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-jamal-chill-hands-gif-18830727

[grave bobcat]

Who is Jamal

[sterile lake]

I feel it might have been needed, so that vt experienced players don't have it too easy

[celest oar]

no idea

[orchid nest]

were you using animation cancel for first swing spam? I think it worked for me when I was doing regular follow up swings, been awhile though

[grave bobcat]

Ugh

[celest oar]

nope, just regular

[orchid nest]

hmmm

[deft fiber]

Comparing to Vermintide it's hard for me to spot freaking hound and etc. Idk why it's the case, mostly because of how maps are designed i believe. Like i'm turning around like a mad man and this hound or pox buster gets me from behind anyway.

[grave bobcat]

Well this lad right here

It takes him 8 shots to pop my toughness

7*

one missed

[vague ridge]

def not needed, it's stupid as hell to have them spawn right on you and u insta die most the time. that's not preventing it from being to ez, it's just plain dumb

[celest oar]

i think mine gets poped in just 4 shots lolz

[grave bobcat]

I do have 60% res 🥲

But man

they hit like trucks

genuinely tempted to put the gunner resist on warp chagres trait on

But losing peril block is scary

[vague ridge]

yeah they need to tweak the basic gunners, special ones I get, but If I'm tryna fend off a horde with melee, and I'm getting shot in the face from yards away that melts me, bit to much

[grave bobcat]

Nah

thats poor positioning from you

[sterile lake]

Idk, great feature , imagine how long it left people wondering what Was happening, until it got figured out that they spawn sometimes when noone is looking
sneaky backstabbing bois

[scarlet lily]

the teleporting behind me guys is about the only thing I don't like and its only sometimes

so its evil director I guess

[vague ridge]

I've went behind walls plenty of times before so they couldnt shoot, all they did every time was push up and kept shooting me while I'm still surrounded. which then slows me and I cant sprint to another wall

[scarlet lily]

they're defensive

[grave bobcat]

That's still poor positoning? lol

[vague ridge]

ok I don't get how but I'm not gonna argue

[grave bobcat]

"I moved somewhere that allowed them to surround me then I died"

[vague ridge]

ok what would I do other than move somewhere else to try and block there sight, while also being chased by a horde? at least give pointers instead of just making fun

[grave bobcat]

Like, it's a SUPER open ended question

Map knowledge could be like a blanket answer

I give you

[versed karma]

Even then, anybody had instances of being hit from behind crouching cover? Kinda curious if anybody investigated character height hitboxes for that yet.

[grave bobcat]

But otherwise, it's incredibly situational

And it's also hard to describe something I autopilot as much as I would like to expess "why I moved here" lol

[vague ridge]

ok

[scarlet lily]

I had a scab gunner blend in with the background earlier, about the only time I get shot cause of deflector lol

[grave bobcat]

And sorry wasn't making of you in general I'm concentrating on something else so it came across more blunt than intended lol

And in fairness, if you were to look at my build. You'd see that I also must get shot a lot... Cause I have 60% gunner res lol

[scarlet lily]

Honestly it depends on the group as well

[grave bobcat]

Mhm

[scarlet lily]

Also rate top damage resists

[grave bobcat]

Not having someone who can clear ranged

Is scu ka fucking pain

[scarlet lily]

Gunner for sure

But bomber or flamer? ||or sniper||

[grave bobcat]

Idk honestly I rarely take damage from anything else

That its worth prioritizing

[versed karma]

Gunners are the biggest issue for me, everything else (minus large ass hordes) are somewhat manageable depending on the team.

[grave bobcat]

Even in the 5 min long clip I was checking for Klip I only got damaged by that 1 dude as I was pushing a rampager lol

[scarlet lily]

I only consider the times where an unlucky bomb or flamer has got me

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I was bout to say the same

[versed karma]

Deffo

[grave bobcat]

If I take a lethal amount of damage at any point

Itso n me really

[scarlet lily]

I've got like 40 or 50? sniper

[grave bobcat]

Gunners are like the only damage I can't really prevnet

Lmfao

[scarlet lily]

ptsd from constant sniper spam

[grave bobcat]

Earlier a Pox blew up right on me andI was holding one of the grims

Insta killed me

I laughed but felt bad

My teammates just, watched him runa t me

[versed karma]

I got double poxxed on one run lol

Insta-killed my ass

[grave bobcat]

I might have a clip of it

[versed karma]

Right at a chokepoint

[scarlet lily]

I like playing with pox bursters

surge staff can stop them even last second when they dive

[versed karma]

True

Sith staff stagger king

[scarlet lily]

it's 50/50 if my squad shoots it before it stumbles away

[weary wasp]

But like, you can push them away with a block push or ability tap thought

[scarlet lily]

ehh

My team is likely to shoot it when its in range

it has happened too often, staffs usually safer

[weary wasp]

Facts

[versed karma]

I hear a hound or pox tick, always mark it behind us since it's a 50/50 where it could come from

[grave bobcat]

Aww

I thought I clippedi t

but I didnt

[versed karma]

People kinda forget that things come from behind in some pugs

[weary wasp]

Hounds are jank. Pushing works, but hits that register don't interupt them anyway most of the time, unless a kill

[grave bobcat]

Unless I'm on high ping seem fine to me

[scarlet lily]

they were easier to dodge in the beta iswear

[grave bobcat]

Didn't play beta 🤷

I doth not know

[celest oar]

i agree

[scarlet lily]

you could like

[celest oar]

it feels like they can turn in midair now

[scarlet lily]

dodge slide away from them, but they seem really grabby now

[grave bobcat]

Oh they do

[scarlet lily]

yes

infamous 360 dog

[grave bobcat]

I've been 90 degree mid air drifted

BY dogs before