psyker-class

[idle shuttle]

for curio blessings

[red basin]

just one pop every 20ish seconds right

[velvet spear]

with a good group where you can hang back a bit, it's not hard -- do it after your first elevator

[manic crane]

just met an elevator at 4 mins

[night marten]

surge, FS, and BB can all help stun+damage

[manic crane]

I wouldnt wanna annoy anyone with that i asked alot in the chat no1 responded

[night marten]

what else besides crushers are carapace?

[idle shuttle]

i did it in a low conflict version of a map

just tell group hey im gonna bb forn5 min

[manic crane]

might as well try tnx

[night marten]

oh the helmet of maulers is carapace too

[olive ember]

bulwark shields technically carapace as well

honestly I got that naturally just buy running normal heresy

a horde event can easily last you the time you need

just run kinetic flayer and communion

[night marten]

kinetic barrage to avoid dropping *warp charges accidentally if you panic F

also will help get a quick BB off to maintain

[olive ember]

^^

[night marten]

play passive, focus on melee. don't spec into 6 warp charges lol

[olive ember]

warp battery is actually the one penance I didn't have to try tbh

[manic crane]

just wanted to get the drip before hersey cuz i can run malice now but ye i shoudl try after levelling up

[olive ember]

like even the dog one required me to specifically time it and go out of my way

[ornate hamlet]

Not toughness.

[olive ember]

I run two healths + 1 wound

[worthy mica]

how does complete all missions on damnation border look like?

[long wharf]

I also run two health one wound

[crisp yacht]

Why not toughness?

[olive ember]

also I just realized

what is a flash mission

[night marten]

small improvement on the ~~heresy ~~ malice version

[worthy mica]

tu

[long wharf]

nobody knows yet

[opaque temple]

toughness is easily and quickly replenished
health is not, and it slowly gets chipped away

[olive ember]

and why is it the only mission to specifically have an achievement tied to beating it on damnation

uhoh

[worthy mica]

there is no heresy mission tho

[olive ember]

Also on psyker specifically you really shouldn't be taking ranged fire unless you are using the purge staff. And when you do you either should be going back into cover asap or running a deflector FS

and since damage bleedthrough to health is % based, bringing health is more useful than toughness

it also helps offset grimoire effects, since grims take a set amount of hp iirc, which means you aren't playing with 30 hp by the time you hit the 2nd grim

[split elm]

After 2 damnation games: Force sword is pretty damn bad at fighting stuff

Good at tanking gunfire

That’s it

[olive ember]

You running slaughterer trait on FS?

[split elm]

I can’t remember my second one

I think it’s the one that gives power from elite kills

[olive ember]

but yeah FS is the weakest of the bunch in terms of horde clear

[split elm]

It’s honestly not great at single target dos either

[snow laurel]

Guys, pick and mix can be completed on malice or must be heresy? The penance says heresy, but someone told me he did it on malice

[split elm]

Ok yeah that’s way better

[olive ember]

supposed to be heresy, but its currently bugged rn to be doable on malice

no clue if it will be patched out and next patch comes on the 14th (so i've heard) so yeah

and yeah with force sword you either want deflector + slaughterer or deflector + exorcist, I prefer the former to help w/ horde clear

[snow laurel]

Any good maps to try this penance? There is never enough squishy elites in the runs

[echo parrot]

Welcome to the enlightened

[night marten]

the single target comes from the special. it wrecks most things dps-wise, but it's not going to be a good choice against a bunch of rank and file enemies

[echo parrot]

Axe and knife are the best imo

[olive ember]

dunno why you would run knife over dueling sword on psyker tbh

[leaden pier]

fellas what's the point of the staff melee

[olive ember]

lmao

theres a point?

[leaden pier]

that's what im asking

[night marten]

the FS niche comes only from deflector, and the special attack, *and the force push is nice

[olive ember]

the spam push on the FS is actually rly nice as well

[echo parrot]

Knife has better dodge distance than the DS. Not dissing the DS, its just a preference thing.

[olive ember]

like with peril blocking you can basically walk through a horde by spamming push

kinda wacky

[echo parrot]

Maybe when I get a decent mk 5 DS my tastes will change

Doubt it though

Didnt work for the FS

[dusky smelt]

question: do we get the benefit of psykinetic's aura?

[leaden pier]

there was only one use ive found for it and it's to poke the corruptor daemon tentacles without using melee, then again pulling your melee is still faster in that case too

[olive ember]

Yes but honestly I don't utilize it enough

[opaque temple]

mobility and it's really easy to land heavies in specific areas with the knife

[night marten]

whoever kills the elite gets the benefit, you or allies, but only that person

[dusky smelt]

that doesnt sound terrible

[olive ember]

it isn't but communion typically overshadows it

[teal needle]

Psykers are incredibly bad at killing elites though

[night marten]

it's not if you're running purge+AB

otherwise communion is probably more useful for other builds

[olive ember]

also both ogryn and zealot can have some form of charge refund, and vets can basically have 100% ult uptime using counterfire

[dusky smelt]

imagine a vet with perma volley

[olive ember]

Vets are already in perma volley using counterfire

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wargame-fantasy-blinking-serious-gif-16670315

[dusky smelt]

damn

[olive ember]

hence why aura is kinda meh

[night marten]

purge can mow down most things front line, I sure do, then there's BB for the backline stuff

[olive ember]

once a vet hits 30 every "priority target" refreshes their ult duration, meaning with enough targets they have free 100% uptime

[lethal plover]

does blocking with a melee weapon do anything against bullets (assuming no deflector)

[random wolf]

Force. Sword.

[night marten]

that's why it's effective with that particular build. othewise communion is a safe choice

[dusky smelt]

it depends on your weapons loadout on whether we are good at special sniping

[random wolf]

Elites in my vicinity?

NOT IF I CAN HELP IT

[warm rune]

You mean purge can set up a kill with something else with it's stun?

[analog juniper]

Mutant near me? Force Sword deletes

[warm rune]

I really hope you're not spamming purge to kill ragers and stuff

[night marten]

purge kills more effectively than other staffs (in its range) imo

[warm rune]

Pretty sure void does better damage than purge, right?

[night marten]

purge staff is going to kill a pack of ragers faster than most other things in the psyker kit

[random wolf]

Yes I am.

[olive ember]

a purge can kill pretty much anything besides a crusher in one full charge

[random wolf]

And they pop regardless.

[warm rune]

Wait lmao I'm thinking surge sorry

[olive ember]

granted you gotta commit and actually burn them for the entire duration

[random wolf]

Oh

Bro you hurt me

[teal needle]

The aura is great for your teammates, but if you as the psyker are getting many elite kills its because your teammates are asleep

[night marten]

I probably do that at least once per day

[olive ember]

its fine surge is superior anyways 😄

[night marten]

getting staffs mixed up, feats mixed up, can't keep any of it straight

[split elm]

Yeah but with axe you’ll do the same but also kill them

[umbral gust]

Best/recommended feats loadout for force staffs?

[night marten]

vOv maybe, or purge just does great damage in its range against non crusher/bulwark/mutant enemies

[opaque temple]

blaze purge burst surge AAAAAAAA

[olive ember]

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Top to Bottom: Purge, Voidstrike, Surge

@umbral gust

[night marten]

pretty solid ^

you can run quietitude if you want on purge, more preference really

and I think there's actually a niche of aura instead of communion with purge+AB, but that's more of a taste thing *or if you're running with a premade and know you can communicate/rely on your team more so than in a pug, it would be a great choice

[olive ember]

Also damn those images are from a little bit back. Peter there is still wearing his t2 psyker hood instead of t3

[teal needle]

Mutant isn't an elite? And ttk on every elite is way lower with most single target options available to other classes. Charging up, discharging, and then waiting for the dot to work on purgatus takes a long time

[olive ember]

Mutant is considered a special

[night marten]

haha I won't get into the "other classes" discussion

[teal needle]

Psyker's useful but the last thing you want on elite duty

[olive ember]

the rule of thumb is anything that is a disabler or CC is a special

[night marten]

just play vet and get it over with

but in the context of a psyker-specific discussion, yea purge does great damage in its range to non-crusher/bulwark/Mutant enemies

[olive ember]

purge can kill anything besides crushers and bulwarks basically

they can kill bulwarks, but you gotta open them up first

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1049849698938261576/image.png

cuz funny bs shield hitbox

[night marten]

in particular, deflector FS+purge/AB covers a lot of bases

[teal needle]

My statement was that the ability cooldown is great for allies but the psyker themselves won't get much out of it. Impossible to talk about that without talking about why other classes should be handling most elites

Like you @'ed me dog get your shit together

[olive ember]

Rip Ed

he just got ghost pinged

[night marten]

again, if you're running purge+AB you can kill frontline elites relatively easily. either way I don't really care who's getting the benefit, a 15% reduction on every special is great and scales with increasing difficulty as well

[fresh reef]

Trauma staff ||👍||

[teal needle]

Literally agreeing with me, thanks 👍

[olive ember]

thanks game

[warm rune]

I didn't get a purg staff worth a shit until I was way into 30

So I haven't ever used it in higher difficulties

[wanton cove]

Do many people run FS w/deflector in 4+?

[olive ember]

I personally run FS w/ deflector

dunno about other people

[jagged badger]

Been trying this with Purgatus Works reasonably well. Input?

[warm rune]

If I had one I might

[night marten]

don't need quelling move speed

[wanton cove]

Thanks 🙂 I will hopefully find one with good stats soon then.

[teal needle]

FS with deflector makes psyker a clutch machine, it's very handy

[olive ember]

its pretty good but yeah peril blocking > movement speed once you get used to being slowed while quelling

[jagged badger]

Does Kinetic Shield scale higher due to 6 charges then?

[long wharf]

whether you run force sword or not, kinetic deflection is basically mandatory

[olive ember]

nope, its based off % of stacks

[wanton cove]

@jagged badger NO idea I am not 30 yet hahaha

Just breaking into 4

[gentle rose]

This is where I'd run my force sword with deflector.

IF I HAD ONE

[jagged badger]

Why do you think you can advise then?

[olive ember]

so with 1 stack is 25% when you hit 4 stacks, and like 16% with 6 stacks

peril blocking

blocking takes peril instead of stamina

[wanton cove]

Soon sibling 🙌

[jagged badger]

Ah. That's sad. Why wouldn't there be interaction between abilities like that included?

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[hot tulip]

yes

Peril Blocking is insane right now, and deflector makes it all the more better

[night marten]

6 charges works well with increased peril resist and AB's dot effect

(and there's a tiny passive bump in damage from 4)

[opal meadow]

Lvl 30 vet trying out psyker and i got some questions, How does the force sword fair and what does its special do? What targets should I prioritize, what do warp charges do?

[olive ember]

I'm sad because I have a feeling psykers gonna get hit with the nerf bat in the next 2 days

[hot tulip]

in fact i'd say just because of Kinetic Deflection, that Deflection is Best Blessing for FS on damnnation

[warm rune]

Carapace armored targets

[olive ember]

because no fun allowed

[warm rune]

Since damage bypasses armor

[olive ember]

atleast my vet is lvl 30, just need to find a good mk 12

[undone badge]

force sword combos are strange though, rest is good

[hot tulip]

its sad because AXE V is so good, but so bland, vanilla, and boring compared to FS

[lucid flower]

hi spooky ones

[wanton cove]

Tysm 🙂

[lucid flower]

:)

[olive ember]

force sword is a utility weapon over horde clear, its special fills an elite killer niche (think chain sword special), its got a good push, and it can bring along a trait which blocks ranged fire

[hot tulip]

but I would never take FS without deflector over axe v

[wanton cove]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-witch-gif-19681679

[teal needle]

Force sword special is chain sword special on crack. It's a decent single target option but due to peril quirks broadly worse than ax for mixed tanking and single target except that it comes with the deflector blessing that blocks ranged attacks

[lucid flower]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725628521388572733/732090268852944936/s.gif

...very spooky ones...

[opal meadow]

Ty

[severe dove]

Oh nice i just got this sword

For my purg build

[gentle rose]

I picked up a force sword on the first day of the preorder beta, tried it in the psykanium and went "NOPE" and then like 3 weeks later a friend of mine was like "I've got a force sword that blocks bullets" and I was like... "OK... maybe"

[olive ember]

Targets you prioritize are based off staff, but in general you are support and your main job is to either CC horde or CC elites (again based off which staff you run). You only really use BB on Heresy+ when you are free and theres a priority target that needs to be killed (Sniper, Bomber, Gunners, Shotgunners, and occasionally ogryn spam if you have nothing else to do)

Warp charges take a back seat and most builds only run warp charges for the peril resistance so they can spam their staves more

[hot tulip]

Force sword is good, but towards the later difficulties, you'd be hard pressed to take it over Axe V which is just superior in every way and can still do Kinetic Deflection

Special makes your next melee do incredible damage at the cost of peril

Based on loadout, you should be priorizing hard to reach specials with your BB if your vet cant do it OR crowd controlling/stunning specials based on your staff

Surge is most popular and most efficient right now

[wanton cove]

LMAO

[lucid flower]

Even though spooky ones dont like ogryn, i will protect lil uns with life

[wanton cove]

What? We like ogryns the most

They are the only ones who dont insult us all round long lol

[severe dove]

It's zealots that psykers don't like

[wanton cove]

Is the vet not rude to? I cant re member xD

Ogryns cute doe

[night marten]

more the other way around lol

[severe dove]

Fair

[gentle rose]

When the zealot is like "watch your aim freak" I am always like "does he mean me or the ogryn?"

[wanton cove]

LOL

[olive ember]

The zealots and the psykers hate each other, vets and psykers also aren't particularly friendly

[wanton cove]

He mf disrespectful

[opal meadow]

Thanks guys, appreciated

[night marten]

I find it funny how incredibly hostile zealots, and even vets, are to psykers in this team game. perfectly lore accurate, just so different from happy-feelgood comparisons like overwatch. it's refreshing

[umbral gust]

👍

[teal needle]

It's in the tradition of Vermintide, where all the characters are frenemies. Very much in the 40k spirit too

[wanton cove]

I mean even vermintide was...aggroey to eachother but the first time I heard "Freak" I was sadge :x

I definietly prefer the voice lines in this game

EXCEPT THE CRAZY PSYKER VL

[night marten]

honestly I don't think the psyker's responses are spicy enough

[wanton cove]

If he says beloved to me one more dang time

[warm rune]

Zealot is also closer to being chaos than we are lmao

[night marten]

they should be hitting back

[warm rune]

'BLOOD FOR THE EMPRAH, SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE'

[olive ember]

Someone mentioned that the higher level a character's voicelines actually change slightly, like calling a psyker a psyker instead of a freak

[warm rune]

uh ok

[hot tulip]

I fucking love it when the M irish sounding psyker comments on a zealots death

"Well it's gonna be more quiet around here at least"

[wanton cove]

Huh. Didnt know of that

[olive ember]

all conjecture tho I haven't paid enough attention rly

[tardy flower]

Nah, there are some lore lines tied to certain maps, but how they refer to you depends on who's talking

[teal needle]

Is the beloved accent Irish? I didn't really get that impression. The veteran loose cannon voice sounds more Irish to me

[wanton cove]

No the b eloved one isnt

[quaint shell]

What's more important damage or burn on a purgatus staff?

[wanton cove]

its another

[frigid zenith]

Whats all this force sword hate? Does everyone not know about slaying hordes with block, quick attack, strong attack, block, rinse, repeat?

[tardy flower]

You can do that with the axe with just push attacks

[scenic shadow]

Greetings comrades.

[vital bough]

Force Sword with Deflector and Peril Block is some of the best shit a Psyker can do imo

Just don't take damage at all, from anything, ever lol

[frigid zenith]

I don't use that stuff, most things get dodged anyways.

[burnt python]

non-fs weapons can do 90% of what deflector fs can do, and horde clear

[frigid zenith]

Just saying that the FS clears just as well as the axe.

[burnt python]

no it doesnt lol

[analog juniper]

Greetings, sibling. How many times have you exploded from peril today?

[supple skiff]

I get why people go for the axe, but that peril auto quell is going to get nerfed lol

[frigid zenith]

People get hung up on spamming quick attack which is mostly single target.

[scenic shadow]

To many lol

[tardy flower]

Except it does half the damage the axe does and doesn't have a cleave stat

[vital bough]

That's genuinely wrong, but there's reasons to pick one over the other.

[wanton cove]

greetings 😄

[frigid zenith]

The first quick attack and first strong attack are both wide clearing attacks.

[night marten]

blocking bullets, being near-invincible while ressing, and the carapace-penetrating special is a whole lot to account for in that 10%

[burnt python]

fs is excellent for controlling a horde, but pretty abysmal at actually killing said horde

[tardy flower]

FS also holds peril, axe doesn't

[worthy mica]

and elites

why would u ever go axe lel

[tight saddle]

nah there's a trick to make fs do very well against hordes

[burnt python]

bullet blocking / ressing are its only real benefit - axe deletes carapace in the same amount of time

[worthy mica]

but bullet blocking is op

[vital bough]

Okay but either one of those attacks is only half as strong as the one shove attack from the combat axe mk V, and does it just as fast.

Like, if you're trying to kill hordes, Axe will just be better. That's a fact not really up for debate as the numbers just PROVE it.

[burnt python]

unless there's some tech i'm unaware of the standard fs horde clear combo takes all day to clear hordes on damnation

[frigid marten]

more survival can make the difference

[worthy mica]

also power attack on force sword

is op

againstg elites

u dont rlyt need dmg on main autos lol

[tight saddle]

yep specific tech

[burnt python]

share?

[warm rune]

Alright out of mission, finally

[vital bough]

Yes, that's the main appeal of a FS with Deflector, you don't have to deal with gunners any more and can just walk forward into melee range.

But this dude is arguing that the FS is just as good for horde clearing lol

[scenic shadow]

My I am a lvl 19 I enjoy my force sword but getting the stuff to upgrade it is nearly impossible... An I have a question, so I been playing this one stop for a few days an what are these sculptures that you can find on the maps

[undone badge]

fs push attack doesn't do damage but pushes really hard, it's weird

[tight saddle]

fs is better at clearing horde with certain tech

[burnt python]

Also while deflector is good i've seen a lot of ppl using it as a crutch and sitting there with block up when they should be contributing to clearing the mobs

[wanton cove]

I think mats drop more on 3+ onwards. (Difficulty)

[warm rune]

What tech?

[wanton cove]

whoops meant to tag @scenic shadow

[tight saddle]

animation canceling something and a specific blessing with it

[warm rune]

I see a shift towards diamantine on 4 and 5

[frail spire]

wanna share?

[burnt python]

so light 1 spam w/ the +power on cleave blessing im guessing?

[analog juniper]

Do you mean scriptures?

[dusky whale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zjgmzr/me_after_finally_getting_good_rolls_on_the_surge/

[scenic shadow]

Ahhh ok. I been trying higher difficulties but finding the right comrades to do them is hard to find

[warm rune]

And that outpaces the 100% cleave axe swing?

[scenic shadow]

Yes typo

[burnt python]

there is no tech/blessing combo thats suddenly gonna make fs deal the same horde dmg as a brutal momentum axe

[long wharf]

okay, that's hilarious

[vital bough]

It's not as effective as just shove attacking with a mk V combat axe, even with animation canceling to just do the first light, into the first heavy attack, you'll still cleave a larger group, at the same attack speed, and do more damage, with the mk V combat axe.

[teal cargo]

MkV axe is a lot safer too

cos you only doing push attacks

[tight saddle]

that's not it

[burnt python]

am i right or wrong keth?

light 1 spam w/ +power on cleave blessing?

still ass compared to axe lol

[teal cargo]

FS jus has weird moveset 😔

[long wharf]

force sword doesn't have as good moveset as push+attack axe

[undone badge]

i just wish the second light swing wasn't hitting legs all the time

[long wharf]

force sword does have a decent single target move, and very good single target damage

[mild tartan]

I feel like force sword is meant for the people who like to use guns in secondary

[undone badge]

aka the body part with more DR

[quaint shell]

Which would be better? Or not worth?

[warm rune]

Shhh or you're summon them

[teal cargo]

FS is best for Boss dmg and Crushers though

[night marten]

right

[warm rune]

FS is better single target, axe is better horde

[scenic shadow]

I prefer the force sword myself. I seem to push back hordes better then the axe

[warm rune]

I think we can agree to that

[teal cargo]

yea

[warm rune]

Push back, or kill?

[burnt python]

fs is only slightly better than axe for single target (carapace or boss), and fs is also very very safe in horde clear just slow

[teal cargo]

I guess you have a decent push bit it cost peril while axe you just cjpp trhough them

[scenic shadow]

Both lol I do both.

[burnt python]

the push doesn't cost peril, only the push-attack

and the push is very very good

[teal cargo]

Oh?

[burnt python]

light > heavy > push cycle

[scenic shadow]

I tried the axe for a while cause it was better then my force sword an eh I still prefer my sword

[burnt python]

or light > heavy > light cycle if you want to pick elites out of amixed horde w/o breaking flow

[vital bough]

FS is actually drastically better for single target, one hit can crit for 2550 with Warp Flurry (Crit stacks depening on peril) blessings on your staff

[severe dove]

I really like the idea of warp battery with ascendant blaze but kinetic flayer is just so much more reliable than trying to get 6 warp charges

[teal cargo]

yea I like Flayer just to get some pops

[burnt python]

my axe hits crushers for 650 on crit and can heavy bout 3 times in the same time frame

fs is better but not THAT much

[teal cargo]

Also a big chunko dmg

[burnt python]

and no animation lock

[severe dove]

a 6 warp blaze one shots all trash but that still requires 6 warp charges lol

[teal cargo]

Axe also passive quells a lot faster

[mild tartan]

Warp battery necessitates communion

[teal cargo]

6 warp charges one shots shooters

[severe dove]

I know

[teal cargo]

Warp Battery you need Blaze too

[severe dove]

But you should always use communion

[night marten]

aura is also a choice over communion with purge+AB

[vital bough]

It really fucking bothers me how normal weapons and shit makes your peril quell faster than just holding R on a peril-using weapon

[burnt python]

aura is the better choice on most staves imo

[mild tartan]

Even with communion I have to go out of my way to get to 6 usually

Yeah I typically run aura and flayer

[burnt python]

same, aura & flayer typically

[teal cargo]

Do be like that

[frigid zenith]

If you're having to go out of your way to get 6 stacks you're playing on lower difficulty probably. If you're team is slaying you should be maxed most of the time.

[mild tartan]

I normally play heresy

[vital bough]

idk how you're running with communion and not hitting max stacks at heresy pretty often tbh

[minor elk]

This a good roll?

[mild tartan]

But probably true on damnation especially

[near gorge]

hey... what if... the hourly store actually spawned at least 1 staff from time to time, wouldn't that be great?

[mild tartan]

Just bad luck I guess Lol

[warm rune]

I could see it not getting changed, even though I agree with you

[wise pecan]

In my experience, when I would need six stacks, I usually have them

[mild tartan]

Maybe it’s better than I imagine but I’ve found the aura ability more useful overall

[glossy ember]

fellas which melee weapon do you pair with sureg staff? I don't really like force sword

[opaque temple]

have 6 more revolvers.

[scenic shadow]

Off on a mission be back in a bit

[night marten]

axe is good with surge

[glossy ember]

mkv?

[vital bough]

Dude it would just make MORE SENSE if the WARP INFUSED WEAPONS actually fucking purged peril faster than NON WARP WEAPONS it makes no fucking sense to me dawg

[night marten]

FS+deflect is good with purge

[burnt python]

mk v axe & surge are a great pairing

[mild tartan]

Haven’t found a surge staff once except for one yesterday that was like a 370 blue, have checked the store at least 10 times since

[long wharf]

the perfect pairing, for now, in my book

[trail tapir]

It doesn't bother me because it gives you a reason and trade-offs big enough to justify using a lasgun or a different melee weapon than the force sword on a psyker

[glossy ember]

Nice. I was trying the duelling sword but it feels like wet paper compared to mkv axe

[near gorge]

I'm on 7 rerolls with 1 gray trauma staff

[long wharf]

except it's wrong and makes no sense

[mild tartan]

The dueling sword is for swag builds

[burnt python]

i really enjoyed dueling sword, until i tried axe lol

[long wharf]

force weapons ought to have higher passive quell than normal weapons

[glossy ember]

dueling sword's mobility is amazing

[long wharf]

not lower

[trail tapir]

why have active quell at all then?

[vital bough]

It bothers me because somehow a gun-psyker is more efficient at quelling peril than somebody that actively uses peril with staffs.

It's literally ass-backwards game design.

[burnt python]

they tried to create a niche for force weapons utilizing high peril, but they didnt give enough bonus @ high peril for it to be worth

[long wharf]

quell speeds need balancing, yes

[glossy ember]

i'll stick to that for now though defo my fav loadout

[warm rune]

It's ass backward for lore, but game design makes sense

You're swapping off a weapon with extra abilities for something that lacks them

[long wharf]

no, it's ass backwards for game design as well

[glossy ember]

oh yeah you guys go toughness curios right

[warm rune]

BUT when the weapons are balanced poorly

[undone badge]

force weps should have faster active quell than non force passive quell

[warm rune]

The non force weapons are most of the time better

[frigid zenith]

Lore wise, force weapons could have lower quell do to them being designed to hold warp energies, they are not supposed to be warp heatsinks but used to contain/build up energies then be released, logic holds it would be more difficult to quell with them due to design.

[long wharf]

it doesn't encourage psykers to lean into their uniqueness

which is absolutely garbage game design

[burnt python]

the force wep passive quell sp eed is clearly intentional, there's just not enough synergy there for it to work atm

[glossy ember]

gonna assume 2 toughness 1 wound

[burnt python]

if they buff psykinetic's wrath a bunch or something that could change

[warm rune]

I do tough/hp/wound

[burnt python]

2 hp 1 wound for me

[warm rune]

For corruption

[glossy ember]

surprising, thought only ogryns went hp

[frigid zenith]

You get a ton of utility out of using a staff and force sword, there has to be a balance.

Force sword util is crazy good.

[warm rune]

Having more than 100 health has saved my ass a ton in 4/5

[vital bough]

I don't think it does.

You're making the build that actively uses the peril ammunition be the worst one at quelling the peril...?
What real purpose does a Gun-Psyker have for needing that faster Quell Speed...?
Call me fucking crazy, but I think giving the people that actually NEED the faster quell speed the ability to quell faster, would actually be an example of better game design.

[frail spire]

Does warp resistance stat work for the block with force sword?

[warm rune]

With quelling generating toughness, having a higher toughness isn't as important

[wise pecan]

Psyker has so little base hp that while hp curios aren’t efficient, they’re kinda mandatory if you want to survive getting hit more than once

[sacred lodge]

kind of wish I could keep track of what mission types I've not done yet...

[burnt python]

look at force sword blessings & psykinetic's wrath feat - they intended you to be able to build a brawler that sits on high peril for buffs

[warm rune]

The thing is, the force weapons should be considered 'better' with more options and utility

If you're swapping those out for regular weapons then you're essentially trading utility for passive peril quell

BUT a lot of the regular options ARE better

[tardy flower]

Yes, it applies to the special ability

[warm rune]

And active quelling is faster than passive quelling if you have a halfway decent stat in it

[frail spire]

but does it also apply to less peril gained while blocking with the talent?

[wanton tree]

can u get warp battery pennace on malice?

[warm rune]

No

[tardy flower]

I don't think it applies to that

[warm rune]

Unless they changed it it's only 4+

[wanton tree]

bruh

[vital bough]

I'm aware of this, but I'm not sure how this actually matters at all in the conversation of "Why do the people that need quell speed not get, but the people that don't, get better quell speed?"

Regardless of quell speed it's a non-issue to get yourself to max peril and stay there. The issue is draining it so you can start at 0%, for the classes that DON'T want to be at max peril

[sacred lodge]

oh, how I wish I could be a battle-psyker like that

[woven crow]

what feats are you using? 311132?

[burnt python]

I mean i would argue getting from 100-0 peril is a non-issue as well

if you want to run 2x force weapons, you have to do additional manual peril management, i have no issue with that

they just need the high peril bonuses to be worth something, cus currently they are shit

[warm rune]

As much as it feels bad, active quelling is faster than passive quelling, if you're taking force weapons, that's the tradeoff you have

Just don't active quell on your bb :V that shit is garbo

[long wharf]

except it's not if you factor in moving around

I can swap to my axe and then sprint while passive quelling

[warm rune]

And it's slower than active, but you move around

You're bringing up an entirely different metric

[frail spire]

guys does warp resistance matter for blocking with the force sword? or is it ONLY for the special

[warm rune]

You also lose out on the ability to do ranged attacks or deflect with FS

[long wharf]

it makes zero sense for passive quelling to be higher when holding an axe than when I'm literally holding nothing at all

[warm rune]

Are you comparing BB quelling to axe?

Or staff to axe

[fair axle]

Yes, warp resistances reduces the peril gain on block, so does block efficiency.

[long wharf]

if anything, passive quelling while holding nothing should be faster than when holding a non-force weapon

[frigid zenith]

Non force "objects" act as heatsinks for warp energies.

Holding noting is like trying to dissipate heat into the air.

It would work better with a heatsink.

[long wharf]

sorry, not buying it

[warm rune]

Except that nothing affects the grenade slot and it remains the same strength (outside some perks) the entire game

[long wharf]

we aren't talking about physical heat, but warp energies

[frigid zenith]

What do you mean, not buying it? Thats literally real world physics.

[severe dove]

Is there a way to tell what mission type you need for mind over matter?

[long wharf]

yes, and we're talking about a fictional dimension called the Warp

[frigid zenith]

lol

[long wharf]

where psykers are a conduit for warp

[warm rune]

So are you arguing game mechanics or lore mechanics

[severe dove]

I am at 6/7 but i have no clue what the last one is lol

[long wharf]

consistency would demand that they both match

[warm rune]

Because you keep going back to lore arguments

Lore wise every one of the rejects should be dead

Alright now can we argue gameplay mechanics?

[frigid zenith]

Im arguing how game mechanics AND lore can rooted in real world physics, that can also fit into game mechanics, this dude is mad at everything.

[long wharf]

if Obese Fish wants us to want to be at high peril, then we need a reason to do so

there is only one feat that gives us a reason to want to be at high peril, and it's dogshit

[vital bough]

Only other reason to sit at high peril is the Crit Chace per Peril blessing, it applies to your other weapons which is how you can crit consistently with FS charge attacks

Still it's not got enough support imo

[frail spire]

is that intended?

[severe dove]

Lore wise if i psyker is strong and trained enough to dive head first into a heavily nurgle corrupted area with minimal issue they should be significantly more useful than any other class

[vital bough]

Don't know, but it's working that way right now

[wise pecan]

Yes, they fixed it

[warm rune]

That's good

[warm rune]

You don't have to be at high peril if you don't want to?

[heady sapphire]

Sadly there’s no way to track it at the moment which has been the bane of everyone’s existence and the source of many complaints.

[sage flower]

leveling a psyker, haven't unlocked the purgation staff yet, but so far the surge staff feels the best. I like that you can quick switch to it, lock down some mobs, then quick switch back to melee and keep going.

what blessings should I be on the lookout for in a surge staff?

[severe dove]

I think imma guess espionage?

[long wharf]

high modifiers

[echo parrot]

Surge staff carries all the way up to Damnation, its not a magic bullet thought.

[trail tapir]

ye lorewise our psyker convict is at least primaris psyker material and basically Malcador the Based

[echo parrot]

And can get old after awhile

[vital bough]

Most important stats are the modifiers tbh, blessing not required so much for Surge.

You mostly just want 80% Warp Resistance if you can get it.

Lets you spam it as often as possible and CC everything

[frigid zenith]

I think you smoke crack sir, Malcador? Really?

[warm rune]

There is the disconnect between lore/mechanics that we just have to accept. When you have 2500 kills in a mission, you're not just a dude, you're essentially a named character space marine

[sage flower]

warp resistance, got it. I assume that means you can use it more before periling?

[vital bough]

Exactly

[sage flower]

and what melee weapon do yall enjoy with surge the most?

[warm rune]

What kind of fucking grunt can kill 2500 people with the help of 3 randos

[long wharf]

we aren't grunts

we're special in our own right, which is how we earn our way into the Inquisition

[warm rune]

Spoiler alert, you're a nobody, that's the whole marketing

[severe dove]

I mean they weren't sacrificed and they are able to fight the beast of nurgle with no issue which even though it is a lower demon it would corrupt our psyker pretty easily if we weren't at least a moderately high level

[long wharf]

you start as a nobody

[trail tapir]

who else just rips through a fucking regiment of renegade guard, cultists and plaguewalkers and demonhosts multiple times without breaking a sweat?

[vital bough]

We're criminals with the threat of execution hanging over our heads, they're extorting badasses for work and feeding them Corpse Starch

[long wharf]

I mean, I sweat pretty much all the time

[frigid zenith]

The only description to describe the power of Malcador is "Force choked Horus like he was a bitch". We are not even close to that in this game.

[severe dove]

Funny enough the beast of nurgle is the ONLY daemon we actually fight

[warm rune]

So please tell me, in tabletop units, what strength level our characters are supposed to be at?

[frigid zenith]

We are dealing with the currupted dregs of a random hive, this shit is a slow Tuesday.

[sage flower]

My headcanon is that 99% of the missions end in failure, but because convicts are in no short supply, they can afford to just keep throwing us at the enemy in a war of attrition.

[warm rune]

Just want frens :<

[warm rune]

There are thousands of chaos guard

[frigid zenith]

Dead chaos guard.

[trail tapir]

Counterpoint, Horus was a bitch

[frigid zenith]

They're just cannon fodder.

[warm rune]

So are we :V

[frigid zenith]

That's what I'm sayin!

[severe dove]

I mean to be completely honest our convicts are genuinely pretty high level for all of their specific classes. The psyker is at the very least trained enough to be highly resistant to corruption. The ogryn is actually a bone ead which is an ogryn with half decent intelligence. The Veteran is a veteran when most soldiers that actually fight just flat out die. And the Zealot is comically faithful in a universe where intense faith can make literal miracles.

[frigid zenith]

Not on the same levels as Malcador.

[warm rune]

Obviously not Malcador

But we're on the level of named space marines in the ability to just sweep through shit if you're looking at just kill counts

[sage flower]

One aspect of this I just thought of that supports your point is that they would not trust just anyone with a thunder hammer, IIRC. Those things are holy, expensive relics.

[frigid zenith]

The Veteran is the most impressive to me having even survived long enough to be called that, like Tutorial said.

[long wharf]

regardless of advertising or PR, in Darktide, we end up as special forces equivalents

[warm rune]

This is taking into account that we have no armor for some classes

'Yeah the daemon ate you, but you... got better?'

[long wharf]

elite groups of 4 that go on missions that would otherwise require companies of troops

[frigid zenith]

Guard special forces maybe, but not Astartes level.

[sage flower]

The demon is just trying to help out and show you where the grimoires are.

he's a good boy, really.

[warm rune]

He ate them :3

[vital bough]

I feel like the Astartes is what would tear apart a 4 man group like the Rejects from the Mourningstar, in probably a couple minutes.

[warm rune]

Outside of Sly marbo, is there a single squad of guard that can go through 2500 people in 30 minutes?

[severe dove]

Yes as thunder hammers are used by the Astartes and the Inquisition. Which is proboably why they were around to have access to them anyways

[glossy ember]

which lv5 feat do you guys take with surge + axe

[trail tapir]

No but seriously the psyker here is unquestionably powerful and yeah, Malcador is a hyperbole but he might as well be Malcador to all those poor fucks unlucky enough to be on the same planet. Being powerful enough to shred through a regiment of renegade guard and overt demonic influence and lesser demons and demonhosts without succumbing to corruption proves he is both exceedingly powerful and in possession of remarkable willpower and self-control.

Were he or she not a convict, they'd be a primaris psyker at least and likely recruited as a protege by an inquisitor with an eye for psychic talent.

[sick cove]

remember that ogryns are actually a bit stronger than space marines, armor included. So while a space marine would prob hit alot faster he would not hit as hard as a crusher for example

[severe dove]

The hammer that the Zealot uses is probably specifically a daemonhammer type of thunder hammer

As we're fighting daemon corruption

[frigid zenith]

We are one lowly psyker, one target at a time, an Astartes librarian could probably do the same to a large group of people, Malcador could probably mind fuck the entire hive at once.

[sick cove]

Plauge Marines would make good minibosses or assassination targets

[sage flower]

what is the base crit chance of a force sword?

[burnt python]

quietitude

[coral valve]

So the Zealot has a blessing for the flamethrower that has a chance to make elites explode on death, does the purgatus staff have a similar blessing, does anyone know that?

[burnt python]

5%

[warm rune]

And yet, we can get perils of the warp and just stand back up from it

Instead of blowing up the entire squad

[sage flower]

hmm, not that great if I wanted to build around that soulblaze on crit blessing.

[warm rune]

This is the disconnect I'm trying to show

[wanton cove]

-fatshark dev taking notes- plz no

[fiery zenith]

You can get a feat that allows 10% chance to do headpop which is close enough to the flamethrower.

[warm rune]

Lore =/= mechanics

[burnt python]

unfortunately that blessing would be bad even on 100% crit, soulblaze does no meaningful damage til 10+ stacks

[sick cove]

Eh, Astartes Librarians does not necessarily have to be super powerful psykers, space marines enhancements does nothing for psychic power.

[coral valve]

Yeah Kinetic Flayer is nice, I was just wondering if there was a blessing that was the same

Because, explosions are fun

[warm rune]

Closest is soulblaze on crit

I think

[sage flower]

ah, I assume it's like bleed then on other classes. Just a trap for people who dont know the damage numbers.

[fiery zenith]

I haven't seen anyone that own a purgus staff with soulblaze on crits

Tis sad

[burnt python]

yep, hopefully it gets some love soon, needs better dmg scaling badly

[severe dove]

Fair but it is still safe to assume that we are supposed to be a fairly strong psyker with above average resistance to corruption

[coral valve]

4 stacks of soulblaze is enough to kill a pox horde on heresy

[stark snow]

Don’t think it can roll on purgus

[trail tapir]

We are one lowly psyker who can survive and thrive in an environment so thoroughly plagued by ruinous powers the local radio station has eyes and tentacles.

A random lowly psyker would have his head explode into space AIDS 50 times over. We are Ordo Malleus material at the very least - psykers are both the most potent and the most vulnerable weapons against the Warp.

[coral valve]

F

[sage flower]

is there a good way to get warp charges that doesn't involve brain burst?

[severe dove]

But Malcador not even close

[vital bough]

The Soulblaze build only barely resembles something close to useful when you take almost every perk that supports it and use the Purg staff.
It's got so many requirements and it still, somehow, is one of the more lackluster builds.

[warm rune]

I agree

[sick cove]

Malcador is alpha plus psyker, primarch level

[trim berry]

Soulblaze stakes like a DoT I'm pretty sure so you can do some insane dmg in higher difficulties

[burnt python]

nah you can't ever do insane dmg with soulblaze lol

[vital bough]

Same dmg numbers regardless of difficulty

[amber nest]

The level 30 feat that makes you gain charges when killing with Soulblaze, though it only works with the Purgatus staff

[stark snow]

Blaze would be fine but still niche if there were more ways to trigger it.

[sage flower]

lol, from what yall are telling me, it sounds like you don't get kills with soul blaze all that often anyways.

[stark snow]

Like if the soulblaze on crit was on hit instead it’d be ok. Not great but ok

[trim berry]

The burn stacks like the bleed doesn't it?

[coral valve]

it does

[glossy ember]

does that work on passive quelling/ult?

[fiery zenith]

It does but it isn't as insane as fire.

[amber nest]

Purgatus on the horde gets you plenty

[sage flower]

and why am I not surprised that a level 30 capstone feat is currently glitched so it only works with one weapon. classic fat shark.

[burnt python]

yes, anything that reduces your peril

[glossy ember]

niice

[long wharf]

soulblaze does exponentially increasing damage based on stacks

[burnt python]

so you can surge to 100% peril then go ham w/ axe and get free regen

[coral valve]

Soulblaze does more damage than regular burn though

[warm rune]

Just based on in universe lore, would people agree that the power levels for the squad are Psyker>Ogryn>Zealot>Sharpshooter?

[glossy ember]

that's what i was doing but wasn't sure it was working since I wasn't paying attention

[burnt python]

it is not exponential scaling, the scaling doesn't make any sense (from what we currently know)

[coral valve]

Like, I found this comment talking about the extra charges going into more stacks

[warm rune]

Bracing for Creed simps to come out of the woodwork

[coral valve]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/jEUck_6TPLKFX01C2mANRqP080qy1KATRaySV9nq9TQ/http/puu.sh/JtvOe/245918f83f.png

[fiery zenith]

Does flamethrower apply more flame then than purgus in one mag?

[long wharf]

it is exponential, though

[glossy ember]

do you still go for psychic communion then on lv15, or do you go for psy aura to generate more toughness with more ults?

[burnt python]

it's not, go look @ numbers in meat grinder

[long wharf]

2 stacks do more than double one stack, 3 stacks do more than double 2 stacks, etc.

[severe dove]

Honestly if we take into account what we ARE actually supposed to be doing lore wise as well as interpreting mechanics a little bit. The strongest aspect of our psyker should be in resistance to corruption. Where our character should be beyond exceptional considering we do entire missions in nurgle corrupted areas. Power should be just a bit above average for a trained psyker

[burnt python]

exponential refers to very specific scaling (2 to 4 to 16 etc)

it does not grow that much

[vital bough]

All we know is that it's not linear.

If anything, it's more likely to be exponential since there's HUGE leaps in damage at certain breakpoints for stacking SB, but there's still no info on it.

[long wharf]

I think that's geometric growth

[burnt python]

that is another term for exponential scaling lol

[warm rune]

I think that you're understating how much punishment we're able to survive and kill through just from enemies

[burnt python]

or rather a type of exponential scaling

[fresh reef]

Is there a cap to soulblaze stacks?

[coral valve]

Longstory short, soulblaze is great for clearing hordes and nonarmored targets

[sage flower]

Exponential scaling is a form of nonlinear scaling, but not the only form of nonlinear scaling.

[coral valve]

Not what I know of

[warm rune]

Poxwalkers aren't that dangerous, but being able to walk into a horde of 100+ with ONLY a melee weapon and kill them all is hilariously strong

[burnt python]

exponential would be 2^x

[long wharf]

nope

[burnt python]

??

[long wharf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth

[burnt python]

my guy look at the equation in green on the chart you just linked

[long wharf]

wait, you're right

nevermind

[warm rune]

???? yeah lmao

[long wharf]

/facepalm

[vital bough]

With your Feats, no it has infinite scaling from what I've seen.

Applying it with the staff? It has its' own limit under the "Burn" modifier bar that tells you its max stacks achievable.

[coral valve]

[burnt python]

it's using non-linear scaling but the math isn't understood - if it was exponential it would be WAY better than it is

[severe dove]

I'm more assuming that the 4 player party is accurate so we would have the ogryn and zealot to take most of that punishment. But yea i'm probably low balling it

[sage flower]

Why axe?

[coral valve]

Because block attack cheese

[severe dove]

But really all the playable characters are well above average for their respective role

[burnt python]

just a really strong weapon (mk v axe), works the same with any non-force sword melee

force sword passive quells a lot slower so less effective

[vital bough]

I think that's where the failed on it tbh. It's not quite exponential, it's got these weird break points that make the damage only good when you get past 10 stacks....

Really wish the damage was shifted to where it had more front-loaded damage, instead of it all being towards the back, doing damage over time at 10+ stacks.

[warm rune]

I'm thinking of the times when there are 15+ chaos guard shooting with equivalent strength lasguns into the boys, and outside the ogryn, nobody has much defence

[wanton tree]

how do you do the warp battery penance?

[burnt python]

i agree it would be way more useful if it scaled linearly instead, or some sort of front-loaded scaling

[sage flower]

and the free quell comes from battle meditation?

[coral valve]

Just head pop everything

[long wharf]

it's definitely a custom curve

[warm rune]

I just ran the 4% chance on ally kill, 15 sec random headpop, and used bb as much as possible

[vital bough]

Free quell comes from having a non-warp weapon out

[warm rune]

Got it pretty fast on t4

[burnt python]

thats one source of it yeah, most common one you'll see is just the passive background quelling though (which is much much faster on non-force weapons)

[long wharf]

likely set damage for each count of stacks, modified by resistance to soulblaze damage

[sage flower]

interesting. That seems like it would be a bug.

[warm rune]

If your achievement shows no progress after doing a t3, it's probably still bugged and needs t4

[burnt python]

go in meat grinder, build 100 peril, then switch to any axe, sword, knife etc and you'll see

[severe dove]

Funny enough the Zealot's near comical level of faith would likely make them literally more resistant to damage as zealots are known to perform what are essentially miracles through violent faith

[wanton tree]

cant you just hold a charge forever?

[coral valve]

I've heard it works on t3 now, my friend got it on Malice at least

[burnt python]

it's not a bug they just tried to get cute w/ force weapon quell speeds to enable high-peril builds that are currently not worth at all

[coral valve]

Just keep popping heads and you're topped off on charges

[warm rune]

Warp charges decay in 24 seconds

So you need to generate a charge every 23 seconds

[vital bough]

Warp Charges degrade after 25 seconds so you have to reapply a stack before that

[spring nest]

has shop updated yet?

[sage flower]

but it sounds like they made it so force weapons quell less than non force weapons.

[warm rune]

On the hour

[burnt python]

yep, because there are force weapon perks that give bonuses when at high peril, so you can maintain high peril easier

those bonuses are just bad atm

[warm rune]

Passively, active is faster than non force passive

[spring nest]

i mean premium store sorry shouldve clarified

[sage flower]

ah, i see

[severe dove]

I still need a good purg staff

[amber nest]

They quell less passively. The Force sword is the only melee weapon with an active quell, however

[severe dove]

I need a purg staff with terrifying barrage

[small hornet]

Too bad the purg staff is bad

[coral valve]

Sure, however its not

[fair axle]

Are you people also being logged out of the Fatshark forums and given error messages?

[vital bough]

Yeah but it's barely faster and you can't block, run, or attack while you're quelling so that's the main appeal of using non-force weapons like the MK V combat axe instead of FS

[burnt python]

purge isn't great but it will likely go thru an OP phase if htey change soulblaze, so we got that goin i guess

[fresh reef]

Purg is an acquired taste. It's good, but I'm not gonna run it

[small hornet]

Isn't the purge staff the flame one?

[severe dove]

Yes

[fiery zenith]

It's fun burning and staggering every low level mobs.

[severe dove]

And yes purg staff is bad till lvl 30

[fresh reef]

Correct

[vital bough]

Purg is good for holding choke points and nothing else.

[small hornet]

If so, good god, that thing is...underwealming

[long wharf]

it needs some attention to better synergize with feats

[coral valve]

its great

[warm rune]

I agree, but it needs to be said

[small hornet]

If I ever spot a good one in the shop ill grab it

[burnt python]

purge is bad if you want to play damnation, its fine elsewhere i guess

[fresh reef]

Trauma > purg in any situation the purg excels, imo. The only difference is that the Trauma requires you to not lobotomize yourself

[amber nest]

So if Purgatus is 'bad' in higher difficulties, which staff is 'good' in them?

[burnt python]

all the other staves lol

[warm rune]

For damage? None

For CC? Surge

[small hornet]

Surge and Void are considered the two better ones

[ebon jolt]

Wish purge staff had the blessing that adds soulsblaze on crit. Either allowing more maximum soulblaze increasing total damage or application of soulblaze faster to accelerate damage dealt.

[sage flower]

I mean, it's a flamer, with infinite ammo. It's fantastic. Hard to go wrong with that. Only thing it's missing is the weird interaction flamer has with zealot charge that chunks down ogryn.

[burnt python]

i run void or trauma in damn 90% of the time cus i think they are the most fun

[coral valve]

I like purgatus infinitely better than surge

[warm rune]

Don't run staffs for damage

[amber nest]

But Purgatus has nearly as much CC as Surge while doing a lot more damage (and can stagger more at once)

[warm rune]

doubt.jpg

[severe dove]

I do think that the purg staff needs a bit longer range

[burnt python]

it doesn't cc the targets you care about ccing

[fiery zenith]

technically a stagger

[echo remnant]

talking Heresy and Damnation? Because Voidstrike is still solid in Heresy. Surge definitely more manageable.

[small hornet]

Surge staggers 5 max

Purg...staggers idk

[warm rune]

Does it stagger unyielding, ragers, mutants, and dogs?

[vital bough]

It's sad that that's where psyker is at right now, though.

Literally advertised as a glass-cannon, high damage character yet we have peril blocking that makes us the second tankiest class, and mediocre damage with good support lol

[fresh reef]

Surge is good for CC and very safely dealing with shooters, Trauma is great aoe and CC, Void is a mix of horde clear and damage,and purg is pretty much exclusively trash clear

[small hornet]

just weak enemies I guess

[long wharf]

oof, you said "Trauma" and "great" in the same sentence

[vital bough]

Purg will stagger everything but Carapace and mutants/dogs iirc.

[burnt python]

trauma is good on damnation and you can't change my mind

[fiery zenith]

You can just burn the dog and stop its attack easily

[fresh reef]

People who think trauma isn't good have skill issue. Simple as

[fair axle]

https://youtu.be/R_w6NRljegk

That is on Damnation btw 🙂

[severe dove]

Funny enough the primary fire of the purg staff has some decent stagger

[burnt python]

purg primary is better than its secondary lol

[fresh reef]

good news everyone

[small hornet]

So moral of the story is

Collect good staffs for future buffs

[amber nest]

Now do the same with left click instead of right click

[fiery zenith]

A bit more burning for heretics so they can feel the pain of their choices clearly, nothing to due with some low damage.

[fair axle]

Yes, do you want me to do animation cancel left click or slow poke one?

[amber nest]

The left click that actually staggers

[warm rune]

Did the mauler even stagger until you used your push?

[vital bough]

RMB staggers too...?

[burnt python]

my friend i really hope you using multiple full charges + ab ult to kill a few enemies is not your justification for purge being good on damnation

[amber nest]

Yes, but less

[fair axle]

Maulers and Flak Ragers don't stagger on RMB, only on LMB

[amber nest]

Way less

[small hornet]

Moral of the story sounds like

[long wharf]

there should be no difference in staggering between primary and secondary purge uses

[amber nest]

So yeah, Purgatus is better than Surge depending on team comp

[small hornet]

let people have fun their own way

[fiery zenith]

Got to burn away those nasty nurgle diseases.

[fresh reef]

Hard agree. SB stacking should also scale with charging m2

[long wharf]

also agree

I really want to like purge staff

[warm rune]

If you have no wave clear, and your team can knock back/kill mutants/dogs/bursters before they get close, sure Purg is better

[vital bough]

=copy and pasted from yesterday=
So, some interesting stats on Soulfire damage per second:
4 stacks = 21
8 stacks = 76
12 stacks = 153
16 stacks = 240
20 stacks = 326
(This could possibly stack higher but I can't test in the meatgrinder as everything dies before I can proc it more than 5 times)

Also the stacks applied from your Purg staff have their own max stack limit(found in the 'Burn' bar when inspected) , but Soulblaze from Feats seems to override this and stack even higher than that when given the opportunity.
Example: My Purg staff has 80% on the Burn bar, max stack of 15 Soulblaze for 197 damage per tic at 15 stacks; yet Kinetic Overload will continuously stack past this, though the meatgrinder doesn't give good chances for me to stack kinetic overload as quickly as it could in a real match.

[long wharf]

but every time I use it, I feel like I'm better off with surge

[fair axle]

A good psyker weaves it.. LMB --> RMB --> LMB so you stagger push them back and continue burning them

[long wharf]

a good psyker shouldn't have to

[amber nest]

I run with a Vet who almost always has a bolter equipped, so they take care of the few things my Purgatus won't stagger

[long wharf]

the purge staff's ability to stagger shouldn't be based on whether your burst of soulflame is primary or secondary

[fair axle]

Psykinetic's Wrath and Cerebal Laceration can stack it to 400 something 🙂

[long wharf]

it's soulflame

it should also be soulblaze damage, to work with the lvl30 perk

[burnt python]

ya'll are overlooking the part where you could've melee'd the mobs to death 10 minutes sooner than building 15 stacks

[long wharf]

that too

[fresh reef]

Alternatively run Trauma or Void and the problem is dead instead staggered

[fair axle]

Well, if you bump into an elite horde of maulers and ragers then you sort of have to lmb stagger them as well otherwise they just get in your face.

[long wharf]

or you surge them and watch them die 🙂

[fair axle]

LOL no. Trauma is so trash it can't even fucking kill a Gunner at max charge.

[vital bough]

This is the exact reason why it's only efficient to be using it when you'll be hitting 5+ targets at once, otherwise just melee lol

[amber nest]

You mean you surge them and then have to hope your team kills them

[burnt python]

even then i'd argue void is always gonna do that job better

[long wharf]

wrong

[fresh reef]

And?

[long wharf]

anything in carapace armor gets cooked by surge

[burnt python]

i've tried real hard to love purge, just isn't good enough

[vital bough]

It does

[amber nest]

Sure, Carapace armour, but anything else?

[warm rune]

Flak armor too

[coral valve]

I find surge lacking for anything else than carapace

[long wharf]

in damnation, I regularly kill gunners and specials with surge before the team does

[burnt python]

when they fix trauma dmg that shit gonna be meta lol

[warm rune]

Scabs get fucked by surge, while dregs get hit harder by purge

[fresh reef]

Like seriously fucking *and? *
BB oneshots gunners and with a trauma m2 they're staggered onto the floor anyway

[long wharf]

and surge allows the team to pivot and reposition without getting gunned down

[fair axle]

And that kind of means you're not gonna be killing anything with a single trauma blast other than poxwalkers.. and anything kills those so easily.

[uneven sparrow]

Listen you fools

One of you can use each staff

[long wharf]

surge gives the team breathing room when it needs it

[uneven sparrow]

Now youre a Psyker squad

[long wharf]

stops dogs and mutant charges

prevents ogryns from doing things

[vital bough]

Surge does not stop mutants.

[burnt python]

4 psyker squad w/ 4 trauma spamming their own feet

invincible

[warm rune]

Yes it does

[coral valve]

Long story short, different playstyles for different psykers

[long wharf]

oh my sweet summer child, surge 100% stops mutants

[uneven sparrow]

Theres even room for a brain bursting gun Psyker

[vital bough]

Surge literally only stops mutants after they miss the first charge, otherwise they keep charging.

[warm rune]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong

[long wharf]

the only time my surge doesn't stop a mutant is if I don't charge it

[burnt python]

nah it will stop them in their tracks no matter where they are in animation sequence

[long wharf]

surge is the best defense against dogs and mutants, full stop.

[night marten]

fucking hilarious https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zioomm/the_typical_life_of_a_poxwalker/

[burnt python]

only time surge doesn't stun mutis is if you animation cancel

[dawn thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/tased-taser-stun-gun-schock-electricity-gif-14870581

[long wharf]

mutants have to get the surge tick on them enough before they stop

[solar remnant]

You need to charge at least 75% to stop mutants ya?

[amber nest]

I'd argue the best defense is early spotting and tagging, tbh

[warm rune]

Hahahaha

[long wharf]

I mean, that's helpful too

sometimes you don't get that option

[solar remnant]

Don't know the exact number but it feels like 75

[warm rune]

It's less than that, more about holding the attack and not cancelling

[long wharf]

I've locked down mutants with minimal charging

[fair axle]

Long story short each staff has an application, depending on what your team lacks. If you have no Zealots you will love bringing a Purgatus Staff. If you have no Vets you'll love bringing a Voidstrike staff.. If you're lacking CC because the rest just brought killy stuff, Surge saves the day.

Trauma is just trash. It helps in no situation.

[burnt python]

idk i only quick spam minimal charges w/ surge and never had issue

[long wharf]

and since I switched to the axe, now I kill mutants all by myself

[burnt python]

trauma is the best heavy unit cc in the game

[long wharf]

surge to stop the charge, heavy overhead chop, surge, chop, surge, chop

[solar remnant]

I've had issues spamming surge on mutants, I'll look more closely when I get on today

[burnt python]

knocks down ogryns

[coral valve]

Agreed, except trauma is good

[fresh reef]

Had this one time, and my god it was beautiful

[amber nest]

Trauma makes a pretty circle

[fresh reef]

Explosions everywhere

[long wharf]

trauma also needs more love to be useful

[burnt python]

if you're in a team that actually holds choke points trauma is super good

[frail spire]

do u guys just spam push attack on the combat axe mk 5? or do u mix in some lights? (for horde clear)

[long wharf]

I'd like to see it put down a patch of soulblaze

[fair axle]

Okay, but you can do that too with 2 heavy swings of Force Sword charged too..

[burnt python]

i mix in lights, solely for my sanity, but push attack spam is best

[long wharf]

axe will be faster

and quell while I do it

[amber nest]

I'd like to see it suck mobs into the center, tbh

[long wharf]

why not both?

[coral valve]

But force pushing someone skull off is more fun @long wharf

[fresh reef]

Difference being FS charged heavy takes 3 millennia to hit lol

[burnt python]

trauma takes kneecaps and is therefore the superior staff

[fair axle]

Animation Cancel it?

[long wharf]

I think Obese Fish really should lean hard into the psyker being proper CC

[proud mantle]

trauma staff should just summon a wind tornado so i can become a blightstormer like in VT2

[long wharf]

and part of crowd control is area denial

[coral valve]

I thought Ogryn was the CC machine

[amber nest]

Honestly I just want a new Beam Staff that lets me build Soulblaze

[minor elk]

Is this good? Been trying to main Purgatus for CC/Waveclear

[burnt python]

its rumblin time

[amber nest]

Gimme that headshot sound spam

[coral valve]

needs higher burn stat

[minor elk]

What's the max you can even get on it?

[proud mantle]

80

[burnt python]

quell & warp resist are the 2 that dont' matter on purge

[fiery zenith]

80% is the highest you can get

[fresh reef]

W/ rapid fire M1

[long wharf]

warp resist should matter

[fair axle]

So, if you do Force Sword Charge Heavy attack and hit then F.. You animation cancel and do full damage 🙂

[coral valve]

Mine looks like this atm

http://puu.sh/JtXdq/13ead1066b.jpg

[minor elk]

Oof, fair.

[burnt python]

gimme bolt

[proud mantle]

with hipfire sprint blessing

[fresh reef]

Now this is pod racing

[uneven sparrow]

The only thing about quick play not allowing for weapon swap means you might just get 3 psykers with the same staff

[fair axle]

I mean, it's not going to be used that often, but on the occasion that a mutant comes along you can kill it in 2 charged hit in what.. 3s?

[proud mantle]

what other lore magic stuff does psyker have

[minor elk]

Also, what's the best Curios I should build on Psyker?

I'm mainly a Veteran player so just learning how to Psyker rn

[uneven sparrow]

Stick in their own bicycle

[coral valve]

Gunner damage resistance

[burnt python]

i prefer 1 wound 2 hp

[proud mantle]

aha https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Psyker#Psychic_Disciplines

[fresh reef]

+1
I don't find toughness increases to be that valuable with how quickly they get erased by shooters

[burnt python]

200 toughness disappears about 95% as fast as 100 it feels lol

one gunner volley decimates any amount of toughness you might have

[proud mantle]

healing bard psyker when

[fresh reef]

Stamina is also exceptionally useless on Psyker @minor elk
Do not take 👍

[minor elk]

Oof, fair.

It's so weird since as a Veteran, I love destroying Gunners

[mortal ice]

Finally got a 380 base roll

[minor elk]

but as a Psyker, they're the BANE of my existence

[coral valve]

Wounds, stamina and health is the 3 main stats I like to go for

[burnt python]

only applies to the specifically named "gunner" elites btw, not normal gummen

[fair axle]

3x HP up to Malice, 2x HP + 1 Wound on Heresy+.. Then depending on your build: HP/Block Efficiency/Toughness or HP/Damage Resistance/Toughness..

If you run Force Sword with Deflector get Block Efficiency, if not get something to reduce damage from ranged mobs

[long wharf]

one day, when purge gets proper buffs and we have a proper crafting system, I'm going to upgrade this

[proud mantle]

wait there's actually a case for a bleed psyker

[coral valve]

I know, but gunners are what deletes me more than shooters

[minor elk]

Gotcha.

[proud mantle]

bro this wiki is bananas

[burnt python]

also like someone else just mentioned, do not run stam on psyker, its wasted

psyker has fastest stam regen reset time & access to peril blocking

[uneven sparrow]

If there was a healing support class I know it’d be op but it’d still be cool

[long wharf]

psyker could have a healer subclass

[amber nest]

The Fandom Wiki has been known to have some 'fan-fiction' though. Lexicanum is more accurate

[severe dove]

Oooooh not bad

[proud mantle]

it'd have to be high risk as in he needs to sacrifice his own hp or toughness

[burnt python]

very nice

[long wharf]

otherwise I could see veteran getting a combat medic subclass

[severe dove]

Love block efficiency

[burnt python]

i would be very very surprised if they add actual healing not just toughness regen

[long wharf]

block efficiency is meaningless for psykers thouguh

[fair axle]

That extra stamina on a force sword is nice tho, mainly 'cos perks won't really let you hit break points anyway

[amber nest]

Hospitaller for the zealot, maybe?

[proud mantle]

yeah it'll never happen

[coral valve]

Only class with healing atm is zealot AFAIK

[burnt python]

what are you utilizing it for though?

[proud mantle]

but then again saltzpyre's final class heals actual hp

[fresh reef]

Full team of medic-type rejects where they're just unkillable lol

[long wharf]

the peril gain on blocking isn't tied to the blocking feats/perks/code, was my understanding

[burnt python]

the stam just goes wasted

[uneven sparrow]

Block efficiency buys you an extra second or two on heavy hitters I guess

But it’s nothing to write home about

[burnt python]

hmm we need testing, i was under the impression it did impact peril block

[coral valve]

Stamina lets you run more

🙂

[long wharf]

I'd love to see it properly tested

[burnt python]

D:

[fair axle]

Walking into a room of gunners on Damnation with deflector requires stamina so it'll vent below 90% and then go back up to stamina and so it infinitely cycle which it use

[long wharf]

I already feel like a mini-shield-ogryn

[proud mantle]

it's a thing for sure

[burnt python]

it does that w/o +stam tho

cus of psykers 0.4 sec stam regen reset

[fair axle]

Not when you're met with 5 Ragers and Gunfire

[severe dove]

Do lower difficulties give more plasteel?

[proud mantle]

lmao this is just witch captain in an aura potentially

[severe dove]

I never have enough

[vital bough]

For some fucking reason, you get more on Malice than Heresy or Damnation.

[burnt python]

no you don't

you don't get "more" plasteel as you go down in diff, y ou just get "less" dia

[uneven sparrow]

Even tho im sure it’s just me it feels like dia is less common low dif plasteel comes regardless

[amber nest]

Game really wants me to play Voidstrike. Only decent staff I've had in the shop

[burnt python]

you'll get ~200 plasteel on a good run on anything between malice & damn

but on damn you'll also get 200+ dia

[long wharf]

shame about that blessing though

[coral valve]

That just sounds like Eldar Doom

[proud mantle]

psyker that lets me control elites when

[fair axle]

If only that staff had a 25 perk :3...

[amber nest]

Eh, we'll be able to reroll that at some point

[analog juniper]

good staff but meme blessing again

[severe dove]

They really need to increase the amount of plasteel you get. You use less dia but you get the same amount

[sleek socket]

folks i just got here and im very ignorant on the meta on feats, anyone willing to give a low effort rundown so i dont embarrass myself too much with my picks at a later date? im currently lvl 20 running quietitude, psykinetic's wrath, psychic communion, and mind in motion

[teal cargo]

Zealots I think the only one with an actual heal but its super sketch

[burnt python]

sitting on 2k dia and 100 plasteel

[uneven sparrow]

Gears 5 had a robot player char that let you pilot most enemies, it was a wilding mechanic

[sleek socket]

like am i being very stupid or just vaguely stupid

[teal cargo]

And competes with a lot better perk 💀

[burnt python]

true, was more referring to the ability to heal others

[vital bough]

Most of the plasteel turns into Diamantine, I routinely only get out with 100 or so plasteel on Damn while having 200 or more on good plasteel runs in malice.

From what I've seen, this is pretty standard for most people, and what I've been told by several people is that it turns what -would have been- plasteel into diamantine drops instead

[coral valve]

Sounds like a decent lvling build

[burnt python]

you like the removed hit stun one more? im leveling my zealot rn

[teal cargo]

Remove hit stun I find a lot more useful since it also worka on bullets

[fair axle]

Get Kinetic Deflection instead of Mind in Motion and at 25 get Kinetic Flayer whilst on 30 you get Kinetic Barrage, otherwise the build is sound for any non-purgatus staff

[severe dove]

Not sure which melee i wanna use

[burnt python]

idk been very different in my experience, damn runs almost always yeilding 150+ fo both

[teal cargo]

and often you need to rush down shooters or you get Last Samuraid

[sleek socket]

thanks, tbh the mind in motion one is just so i can quell without my matchmade teammates running off and letting me die lmao

[amber nest]

To be fair. I've used up all my luck with my Zealot's Eviscerator

[dim girder]

Void Strike users, what feats do you use to stay alive in 4+?

[severe dove]

I'm thinking the axe because it shreds tanky enemies

[coral valve]

Quell while dodging

[burnt python]

i did not know it works on bullets.. yeah thats better

[fair axle]

Staffs have much less slow down while quelling than weapons and hands are the worst.. Eventually you will learn to actively quell with a staff whilst keeping up

[coral valve]

hands quell the slowest

[sleek socket]

good to know thanks folks

[teal cargo]

Yea says melee only but you know Fatshark coding

[sleek socket]

and yeah flayer and barrage were the picks i was planning for anyway

[teal cargo]

But there is a super annoying penance where you need to use Holy Rev 💀💀

[vital bough]

So does anybody know for certain whether or not Block Efficiency effects your peril gain when peril blocking?

[severe dove]

I don't personally care about quell speed since i use wrath and hover between 80 and 100 at all times lol

[uneven sparrow]

Honestly it’s the don’t get left behind by pubs feat

[coral valve]

Its super easy with a bolter

[burnt python]

yeah ima run rev til i get that penance on accident then i'll swap lol

[analog juniper]

it does

[teal cargo]

Really with Bolter?

[coral valve]

yeah

just delete the horde with a clip

[teal cargo]

Ranged barely heals you at all

[coral valve]

full health

[teal cargo]

Ive heard you gotta Thammer a boss

[long wharf]

how do you know this for certain?

[vital bough]

Cool, so ideally I'm going to have one of my perks for FS be Block Efficiency and have the Deflector blessing lol

[amber nest]

It's apparently also an easy feat to get with a flamer on a horde

[sage flower]

bolter or flamer do something melee doesn't: they pierce through things. You do a lot more damage to a lot more targets.

[coral valve]

I did both the stun and heal at the same time with the bolter

[analog juniper]

I use it and peril gain is lower than without

[long wharf]

do you have any videos for comparison?

[analog juniper]

no

[coral valve]

I only have the suicide kill 3 elites penance left and then I've done all the "challenge" penances

[fair axle]

Now chitt! I need to update spreadsheet of store RNG yet again

[teal cargo]

Doesnt the stun one need to be melee?

[sage flower]

what level 15 feat do you take for psyker? +15% ability cooldown?

[worldly chasm]

anyone else finding psyker ult to be very inconsistent in knocking back pox bursters? Is there something I'm missing

[teal cargo]

cos i feel like ive def gotten that with Flamer

[frail spire]

does this mean i have to hit the same target or how does this buff work?

[coral valve]

Nope, just kill stuff that you stunned. Flamer and bolter are the best for that

[teal cargo]

Hmmmmm

Altite maybe just got unlucky with horde then

[fair axle]

What no. What O.o. No. Psychic Communion.

[burnt python]

based on attack chain i believe, so if you mixing heavies/lights/pushattacks it resets

[severe dove]

I haven't seen a purg staff in the store since yesterday morning lol

[ebon jolt]

Either that or warp charge chance depending on what the rest of your build is and whether you care about warp charges. Both are good options.

[frail spire]

ty

[coral valve]

http://puu.sh/JtXh4/8807f56c7c.jpg it's a lot easier than it sounds

[amber nest]

Try since last Wednesday 🥲

[severe dove]

Literally use communion for every build

[burnt python]

im not 100% on that, worth testing in grinder

[analog juniper]

either that or psychic communion

[gritty perch]

so malleus monstronum should be easy, yeah?

get a premade team

[burnt python]

the aura is usually best

[sage flower]

What do you have against it?

[coral valve]

yeah it's super easy with a premade

[gritty perch]

just have everyone kite the monstrosity while you take 5 whole minutes brain bursting?

[long wharf]

very easy with a shield ogryn and a daemonhost

[minor elk]

psst.
hey kid
want some exotic engrams?

[gritty perch]

brain burst is slow, doesn't that shield use stamina to block?

[teal cargo]

What is super hard is that 20 mins under 75% hp lol 💀

[coral valve]

Nope

[sage flower]

seems like everyone is in agreement at least that cerebral lacerations sucks

[burnt python]

yes it does lol

[coral valve]

The weapon special for shield is immortal, if not for fire and grabs

[fair axle]

Errh.. No Purgatus relies on Ascendant Blaze and thus do not need Psychic Communion. Cerebral Laceration does far more for your team in this case (unless you're playing scrub difficulties like heresy and below)

[fresh reef]

It's really good actually

On gun psyker

[amber nest]

Or another Psyker with peril block

[burnt python]

aura is the goat, way underrated feat

[severe dove]

Purg uses communion and blaze

[vital bough]

And then funnels them both into Kinetic Overload

Kinetic Overload is low-key the best Soulblaze Feat available lol

[coral valve]

You can use either communion or laceration. I prefre communion myself for more warp charge toughness regen

[coral valve]

It is very powerful, THEORETICALLY, however, random headpops is more fun and more reliable imo

[severe dove]

I havent tried it i use both the other feats in the 25 line lol

[kindred delta]

Anyone have tips for doing pick n’ mix? I can’t find enough elites/specials that I can one shot with BB condensed into one place

[vital bough]

Okay do you already run AB at the lvl 30 feat, and Psychic Communion?

[kindred delta]

It’s always ogryns and maulers and stuff

[coral valve]

Yes

[severe dove]

As 6 stack blaze one shots every single trash enemy type on damnation and some elites