psyker-class

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah I heard about this, I dont think the person that had it got back to me about how it works

but knowing blessings it only works on LMB

[woven crow]

What's the go to build? I pretty much only saw palpatines on heresy, is that the only weapon worth using?

[bleak tulip]

havent seen it once myself

[bleak tulip]

its the most consistent and low effort gear independent way to do damnation

[olive ember]

All 3 staves (not trauma) work well enough, surge is “meta” especially with random pubs tho

[wise pecan]

I see flamethrower witches every now and again

[olive ember]

Consistent CC/stunlock on all elite and special types make surge the go to basically

[grave bobcat]

I thought that oo

But was surprised by it today cause that blessing is insane if it worked on RMB

[bleak tulip]

you can beat damnation with any staff because its not that hard to do, youre just more or less useful to the team

[wise pecan]

I wouldn’t say damnation isn’t hard

[grave bobcat]

Most Psykers I see use the Voidstrike but just what I've seen personally

[celest oar]

hell no, i rather use void in pub

[bleak tulip]

three staves at least do CC even if you dont kill, flame still kills shit once you get the stacks up but that takes a while

[woven crow]

What tips are there for using the electro staff? Do I need to fully charge it every time?

[grave bobcat]

Nop

Spam it

[olive ember]

Pretty sure surge is the best for pub matches but up to personal taste I suppose

[plucky shuttle]

Wait, what does "Chained Secondary Attack" actually mean on the surge staff?

[wise pecan]

Minimize charge, maximize spam

[celest oar]

why usesurge when you can turn void into a machine gun

[grave bobcat]

It doesnt work

[drowsy fog]

I see surge staff most often in pugs

[grave bobcat]

missed reply

[bleak tulip]

sure, I just mean its not cataclysm hard where you cant get away with carrying a team member without being pretty damn good

[olive ember]

Charging it increases damage, but the cc is the same no matter the charge

[plucky shuttle]

W O T ?

[olive ember]

So charge it when you can afford damage otherwise spam it against all the elites/specials to stunlock em

[wise pecan]

Fair, I never got up to cata difficulty

[grave bobcat]

I missed the reply button lol

on my answer to you

[woven crow]

Unlimited powa?

[plucky shuttle]

This?

[grave bobcat]

Yeah the blessing Warp Flurry

[celest oar]

i rather do this

[olive ember]

I could go up to cata but I’d have to spend on a dlc and none of my friends want to spend so meh legend is enough

[bleak tulip]

warp flurry absolutely works on staves

[wise pecan]

Evidently this will soon be fixed, as Void’s cheap secondary will no longer be so

[bleak tulip]

it just isnt super noticable because all it does it make the charge jump a bit

[olive ember]

I mean they should fix purge quelling first kek

[grave bobcat]

If you show me it working on Surge lmk 😛

[celest oar]

it might not, they did have to make alot of changes

[bleak tulip]

and for surge it doesnt really help a lot

[grave bobcat]

It does work on the Void but only if you spam the first few chains

[celest oar]

in terms of development, this wont be easy to fix

[grave bobcat]

IF you full charge it doesnt

[bleak tulip]

you dont have to full charge with void anyway

[grave bobcat]

Ik just saying its still broken 😛

[runic hornet]

i did some damnation games with trauma

[bleak tulip]

its just that the blessing doesnt give us the timer

[runic hornet]

it's decisively okay

[bleak tulip]

or any feedback

[grave bobcat]

Cause even if you half charge it

it still doesnt work

[bleak tulip]

hope ya like quelling

[runic hornet]

some groups, trauma actually ended up working better than surge IMO

[grave bobcat]

you need to actively spam the first few chains to get the benefit

[runic hornet]

because we had a guy who couldn't hold his horde

[brave vale]

Worth upgrading?

[bleak tulip]

dont know what to tell ya, works for me

[olive ember]

Trauma has better horde clear than surge but damn that peril is god awful

[grave bobcat]

1 sec I'm in grinder anyway

[runic hornet]

joke's on you i swap to my sword to help kill horde because my shit teammates won't either

[wise pecan]

blast radius is a bit small

[grave bobcat]

Surge has horde clear? 🥲

[bleak tulip]

its decent

[olive ember]

If you call slowly zapping 5 enemies at a time horde clear then yes lmao

[runic hornet]

dumpstat on voidstrike is ideally warp resistance
Because you roll the quell on headshot blessing and then you have infinite voidstrikes

[celest oar]

get it to blue and see if you get quell peril

[bleak tulip]

you'd ideally like higher charge rate but its fine

[runic hornet]

with quell on headshot it's easy to go perils-postiive shooting at headlevel

[bleak tulip]

the difference in charge rate 69 to 80 is only like .2 seconds anyway

[wise pecan]

i'm p sure you can horde clear faster just spamming the little regular attack fireballs on surge than you can with the lightning, lol

[olive ember]

Oh yeah never got confirmation for this even if the stats are bugged cuz

[grave bobcat]

Here is the Warp Flurry working

[olive ember]

Number go up monkey brain happy

[runic hornet]

Quell speed is still useful on voidstrike sometimes because you can swap to it to quell after BBing. And yes, sometimes you need to BB

[grave bobcat]

Here is if you do anything but instantly spam the attack

[bleak tulip]

yeah thats if you wanna stack it

[grave bobcat]

8% is nothing

[bleak tulip]

which is kind of pointless because as you say you gotta spam

its still better than all other blessings

[olive ember]

What is that playing in the background

[bleak tulip]

well with that one notable exception

[grave bobcat]

Peril on hit and warp nexus are way better

[vague ridge]

love getting shot by a sniper through the floor, in multiple matches....

[grave bobcat]

Sorry forgot to turn offm y musicx lol

[brave vale]

I forgot i had this other one, one on left right?

[bleak tulip]

warp nexus is pretty balls

[celest oar]

yes

[bleak tulip]

I'd rather get my 10% free boost

to get to half charge faster

[runic hornet]

which one is warp nexus? crit on high perils?

[grave bobcat]

Ye

[celest oar]

yes

[grave bobcat]

I'd rather have 20% crit at 75 peril lol

[bleak tulip]

which ideally you shouldnt be on anyway

[runic hornet]

Ah, but you see, I am a trauma enjoyer

[olive ember]

The only music psykers are allowed to hear are the endless whispers inside their heads madge

[runic hornet]

my combo is either big-small-big or small-big-big and my final blast is always at >90% perils

[grave bobcat]

I'm almost always high peril since surge doesn't generate barely any lol

And just use my F as a "fuck"

[runic hornet]

Press the F button
for "fuck I messed up"

[grave bobcat]

Mhm

[bleak tulip]

the problem there is that you'll only get one shot in once peril generation on RMB is fixed unless you got a good transfer

[grave bobcat]

With Voidstrike sure

[bleak tulip]

well yeah I am only talking void

[grave bobcat]

idk 10% is nice too at 50%

then again

[olive ember]

I just used F as a horde knockback

As in “get the fuck away from me”

[grave bobcat]

Void barely has any base crit

Whereas Surge crits like 50% of the time

So prob not as useful idk

[bleak tulip]

which is why im saying warp nexus is kinda balls on void lol

[grave bobcat]

Warp Flurry would be nice if it worked

[bleak tulip]

also whats 20% crit on surge gonna do when you aint even charging anyway you'll crit a baby hit that wont kill either

[grave bobcat]

Whats the warp res on your void?

Actually tbh

Peril on hit and Warp Nex on Void

[olive ember]

What they should really do is remake the specials for each staff

[grave bobcat]

Always keeps you below threshold but at max crit

[runic hornet]

what is the bonk even good for

The stagger is shit

[olive ember]

Cuz god damn the staff specials suck

[bleak tulip]

memes

[olive ember]

It’s slow as well, you would be better off switching to your melee lmao

[grave bobcat]

Idk people think Surge does no damage lol

[severe folio]

hey guys question

[olive ember]

With animation cancel surge does damage kek

[runic hornet]

crit surge will obliterate gunner specials

who are wearing flak

that's about it thouhg

[severe folio]

at the moment is there any content creator that provide good guides ?

[grave bobcat]

sshh

[runic hornet]

well it kills flak scabs too

[olive ember]

Um

[bleak tulip]

gotta hit 5 times to do any damage

[olive ember]

Any content creator 🤔

[severe folio]

last time i was here i heard everyone said there isnt any cc with good guides

[runic hornet]

if it's a youtube video

[grave bobcat]

it literally does more dps than the void bruh

[runic hornet]

99% chance it's bandwagoner youtuber who sucks

[severe folio]

i see

[bleak tulip]

also yeah surge is gonna get fixed too soon

[olive ember]

I mean what weapon you wanna run I can just give ya a build for each staff

Except trauma

[severe folio]

so the 1% is

no youtube vid ?

where do i find guides then ?

here ?

[runic hornet]

the 1% is mainly from old vermintide veterans who are also following this game

[severe folio]

oh

[runic hornet]

if the content creator has no background in vermintide

[grave bobcat]

Both our dps is being destroyed since you'll get correct peril generation on void too 🥲

[olive ember]

The Asian guy has some alright guides but also not so good guides imo

[runic hornet]

100% chance their "builds" or "guides" are shitty

[raw breach]

The game just released, there aren't any guides yet because there is no meta yet lol

[severe folio]

i see

alright then

[bleak tulip]

its fine I have transfer, you're just fucked

[runic hornet]

the vermintide veteran content creators are the only ones who have a remotely decent understanding of how this game actually works

[bleak tulip]

unless they also make surge damage not as bad

[olive ember]

Jsat is pretty reliable from what I heard but idk if he makes class specific guides

[small hornet]

It isn't about the damage you do to the heretics. It's about sending a message.

[grave bobcat]

I have the F key 🙂

[small hornet]

But surge seems like crazy good CC for hordes

[grave bobcat]

usually by the time I'm close to exploding my F is rdy anyways

[bleak tulip]

F key doesnt do shit for damage is kind of the point but okay

[runic hornet]

for hordes
it's not

[grave bobcat]

STOP USING SURGE ON HORDES

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[runic hornet]

the target limit really hits it hard

max targets is like 8

[small hornet]

I HAVENT USED IT

[olive ember]

Not that good since surge only hits 5 targets at a time

[small hornet]

I JUST ASSUME

[runic hornet]

you wanna know how many poxwalkess are in your average horde?

[grave bobcat]

it allows me to keep damaging?

[bleak tulip]

unless youre one of those ass blaze weirdos

[olive ember]

YOU CANT STOP ME

[small hornet]

Okay fine im going back to #ogryn-class

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/u-unlimited-power-star-wars-lightning-gif-14542323

[bleak tulip]

okay never mind you didnt get the joke

[grave bobcat]

I did not

lmao

[bleak tulip]

"very limited power"

[runic hornet]

extremely throttled power

[olive ember]

Lmao

[small hornet]

What is the best psyker staff then

[bleak tulip]

I still want surge to be a channeled conal attack so its not boring

[small hornet]

cuz it seems like they all suck

[brisk panther]

best at what?

[small hornet]

Best at not sucking

[olive ember]

But tbh you say don’t use surge on hordes but the only alternative for me is to run up with force sword or use BB on hordes lmao

[small hornet]

[raw breach]

Surge is good, Void is good, Purg is usable, trauma is not good

[severe folio]

what do you use on horde then, when you have a surge staff

[bleak tulip]

void if you want a railgun, surge if you wanna just CC the shit out of everything while the other people do the work

[grave bobcat]

why are you using BB on hordes

[severe folio]

keep up warp charges lol

[brisk panther]

has to do with the competence of the player

[runic hornet]

Force sword deflector memes are good but the only staff I'm comfortable using with deflector FS is voidstrike

[severe folio]

[glass badge]

Melee.
Efficiency be darned.

[runic hornet]

oh, and purgatus too, I guess

[olive ember]

You mean you dont use BB on hordes gasp

[bleak tulip]

they arent, they said the alternative to using surge on hordes is doing nothing

[grave bobcat]

Just let warps be passive don't actively try to maintain lol

[runic hornet]

I have a very nicely rolled mk1 sword I use for hordes.

[small hornet]

Guess ill stick to my void staff so i can continue to go pew pew

[brisk panther]

if you suck with all of them you might need to think about why

[grave bobcat]

Fair

He said FS AND BB

Like bro

why the and 😦

[severe folio]

i like purg staff

the flame is glowy and i can see when its lightout

[runic hornet]

I use it for surge, I also use it for trauma because I need a non-force weapon for passive quelling with trauma's perils production lol

[bleak tulip]

you gotta stop taking things so literal lol, it was hyperbole

[runic hornet]

i tried axes with trauma but the downtime is too great

[severe folio]

at which point should you use the purg puffy flame ?

single target or something ?

[runic hornet]

when moving around and following your team

[severe folio]

and then spray on horde ?

[grave bobcat]

It's hard to tell who is serious in here anymore -.-

[severe folio]

i see

[glass badge]

Purg is good, because psycker can reach things the flamer cant unlike zealot.

Running face first at a sniper doesn't count.

[runic hornet]

you can spam LMB puffs while moving at full speed

[olive ember]

Anything that gets too close to you

[runic hornet]

think of them as ranged pushes

[severe folio]

shouldnt i try to

[runic hornet]

that don't slow you down

[severe folio]

you know

[raw breach]

This is what I run. I prefer the control playstyle of Surge to stagger the frontline, stop mutants and hounds from charging. Surge control OP if you play around it

[olive ember]

Oh the puffy flame

[severe folio]

switch to melee when things get too close

?

[grave bobcat]

Antax gross

[olive ember]

Shred and thunderous 🤔

[severe folio]

the puffy flame doesnt seem to kill or stun enough

[runic hornet]

There is a very awkward distance

Where you need to move somewhere, but the enemy can reach you with a running attack following behind you

[severe folio]

i see

[bleak tulip]

its just a short stagger

[runic hornet]

if you try to block/push/side dodge you slow down

[olive ember]

The puffy flame I guess you use if something surprises you I guess

[bleak tulip]

and to stack fire

or so im told

[severe folio]

i wish its continuous stagger as long as enemy is on fire

[olive ember]

Tbh I don’t use purge tho

[runic hornet]

So, you use puffy LMB flame to keep moving at full speed

[raw breach]

I was really hoping for Decimator, but it helps against monsters

[severe folio]

wouldnt that be nice

[small hornet]

Puffy Flame is the torch the mission tells you to bring on dark maps

[bleak tulip]

would be nice if fire didnt need like 6 stacks to do fucking anything

[severe folio]

puffy flame into a daemonhost

[small hornet]

Best utility

[runic hornet]

I use trauma on lights out to light the way

puffy flame isn't really helpful

[severe folio]

SAME

I USE THAT TOO

[olive ember]

Wtf is brittleness anyways like rending is a thing but tf is brittleness

[runic hornet]

sure it's light. But then you can't see anything in the light, on account of having fucking purgatus flame blocking your view

[severe folio]

you can see your crosshair

[runic hornet]

Rending is a buff applied to yourself
Brittleness is a debuff stacked onto the enemy

[bleak tulip]

its a damage bonus iirc

[severe folio]

if your crosshair react it means you burn something

you know

if they scream it means you hit

[olive ember]

Someone mentioned using a gun on psyker is better than bringing trauma staff for lights out lmao

[glass badge]

What does either brittleness or rending do?

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[runic hornet]

The biggest example of the rending versus brittleness difference is on the Ogyrn's ripper gun, which can roll a blessing called "canopener"

[olive ember]

Rending is more damage against armor

Dunno wat brittleness does

[runic hornet]

+4 canopener lets you hit two trash mobs with the ripper gun's bayonet

Then you turn around and shoot a crusher and it takes nearly full damage, so it gets obliterated

[severe folio]

also i cant remember correctly

[bleak tulip]

just keeps spamming all the angles enemies usually come from with left clicks

[glass badge]

Brittle make stagger easier?

[robust hound]

Rending increases your dmg vs armour, brittleness decreases enemy armour value increasing all team's dmg vs armour

[severe folio]

but isnt there a flame sword in 40k

[raw breach]

Brittleness debuffs enemy armor. Think of it as %dmg taken debuff

[glass badge]

Ah

[runic hornet]

Nnnnnot really?

[severe folio]

oh

weird

[runic hornet]

The closest thing to a "flame sword" would be a power sword

[grave bobcat]

Isn't brittleness dmg increase to the hit OF armor

[severe folio]

i thought it was a power sword

[olive ember]

Who needs light when you have lock-on lightning tho

[grave bobcat]

But it doesn't reduce said armor

[glass badge]

No purgatus swords? Rip.

[severe folio]

instead of purgatus sword

[bleak tulip]

idk I just spam void into the dark and still get kills

[severe folio]

i would just rather a force sword that takes element of the staff

[runic hornet]

I mean, flashlights lol

[severe folio]

so if you carry either surge or purg staff, it makes either lightning or flame strikes

[runic hornet]

I can see that argument, but at that point in time, I'd rather just play lasgun veteran

[grave bobcat]

Just hold block with FS

[runic hornet]

mg12, the twinlinked flashlight

[grave bobcat]

And be the torch

[robust hound]

Flashlights overrated

[olive ember]

But how could you live without brain burst

[severe folio]

lol

the fs block light is so low

[grave bobcat]

I hate you

[severe folio]

i though i was twitching out when i use it

[raw breach]

All I know is that I use it on monsters and assassination targets and they melt, so while I was hoping for Decimator, Thunderous plays into my support role even more lol

[runic hornet]

tbh mg12 psyker is a real build
with 20/20 perk rolls you hit the oneshot/twoshot breakpoints for enemy rifles on heresy

[olive ember]

I mean recon lasgun psyker also works

[runic hornet]

Not half as well, on account of you using a fucking recon lasgun

those things suck.

[glass badge]

Auto-headpop recon lasgun.

[runic hornet]

Absolutely no staying power

[glass badge]

Ez

[runic hornet]

you run out of ammo before the enemy runs out of riflemen

[olive ember]

Meh I perform just fine using my recon lasgun on Vet I’ll have you know

I also can’t aim

But that’s besides the point

[severe folio]

hey i found a flaming sword

[runic hornet]

veteran gets away with it on account of massive ammo pool + ammo refund passive

psyker, absolutely fucking not

[severe folio]

but it's the emperor's lol

[bleak tulip]

problem: youre back to being a shitter with a lasgun and no real buffs to it other than 12% charges for the next 15 seconds

[glass badge]

And the extra 15% weak spot damage is cool.

[runic hornet]

I mean you're using a recon lasgun

you ain't getting headshots past 20 meters

shit sprays

[robust hound]

It's a recon lasgun, those things dont move

What

[olive ember]

The only benefit of lasgun psyker I can see tbh is you get to press F as a panic push against everything around you

And you can bring a deflector FS with peril blocking

[glass badge]

Recon has little recoil.

[runic hornet]

There's no recoil but it still deviates

it stays perfectly on target but shoots in a cone

[robust hound]

I'm not saying lasgun pysker op but recon lasguns can 100% headshot far enough away to even shit on snipers

You just take more bullets to do it

[olive ember]

Right click basically eliminates the cone tbh and makes it into a line

[raw breach]

BB Gun builds are fun, but if you're gonna run a lasgun, just play a Veteran.

[runic hornet]

not in my experience? or maybe it's just miniscule scope sway

[bleak tulip]

not really in my experience

still cone just a lot less

[olive ember]

🤔 weird maybe I’m just blind

[robust hound]

Psyker with gun fun, optimal? Fuck no. But if something is fun that's literally the point of playing most games y'know

[runic hornet]

Yeah anything past 20 meters you're gonna get misses and bodyshots at the head

[grave bobcat]

Wait is there range fall of ion the game?

[runic hornet]

yes

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[runic hornet]

some guns suffer massively from it

[grave bobcat]

Show how much guns I use

[runic hornet]

like the recon lasgun

[olive ember]

Recon lasgun doesn’t suffer from it tho

[bleak tulip]

its pretty short too for a bunch of weapons iirc

[robust hound]

Why are we hating recon lasguns so much i'm so lost

[runic hornet]

pretty sure it has near/far values?

[robust hound]

As least it isn't half the autoguns

[olive ember]

I kill snipers easily enough

[bleak tulip]

didnt look too much into it because I only really play staff psyker and bolter zealot

[runic hornet]

there's only a few guns that don't have near/far values

even the bolter does

which doesn't make that much sense on account of it shooting miniature exploding rockets

[olive ember]

Iirc there was a gun that was rly bad because of falloff damage

One of the bullet guns

Auto pistol? Idr tbh

[runic hornet]

probably the headhunter autoguns

because they didn't suck enough

[olive ember]

Maybe one of the autoguns

[robust hound]

Most autoguns suck because of their ammo, recoil and dmg just being worse than lasgun counterparts, braced autogun op tho

[olive ember]

But honestly none of the lasguns have that noticeable fall off imo

[robust hound]

They're usuable still tho

[olive ember]

Not sure about the bolter but that thing sucks at long range sniping anyways

[grave bobcat]

Im using mg12 rn

seems alright

[bleak tulip]

mk 1 autogun isnt too bad but yeah

[runic hornet]

recon lasgun takes a pretty hefty cut

[bleak tulip]

I'd rather not use autoguns either

[olive ember]

Mg12 is aight until you get vet and suddenly it’s godly

[runic hornet]

and although it's not listed

it's far worse against enemy flak armor

[olive ember]

Though it’s consistently aight that I think both zealot and psyker can run em

[runic hornet]

aka, gunner specials, bombers

[olive ember]

It’s considered “meta” on zealot rn I think to run either knife/axe + mg 12 crit build

[robust hound]

Recon lasguns are not better than a kantreal lasgun or bolter, sure, but they're nowhere near bad or unusable at all either

[runic hornet]

also, for some weird reason, the recon lasgun builds up stagger faster on reapers at a distance than up close

[robust hound]

There's even blessings and perks that make them literal monsters

[bleak tulip]

reasons why meta is stupid, the least fun builds imaginable

[robust hound]

And they can actually consistently cause suppression

[runic hornet]

absolutely not lol

[olive ember]

Feel free to give me another build

[runic hornet]

Knife/taxe/caxe melee goes with flamer

[bleak tulip]

imagine playing zealot and limply shanking people with a knife only to get a bonus to your lasgun

[olive ember]

Still trying to find something fun on zealot

[grave bobcat]

Just trying the mg12 out cause it does same dmg as revolver basically

[runic hornet]

for mg12/bolter zealots, you go evis

[grave bobcat]

but I get ammo with it lol

[runic hornet]

or even swords/heavy sword if you have a good one (discalimer: you need a gold one with two relevant blessings)

[cyan echo]

I'm forever thunder hammer on Zealot, dont care if its suboptimal

[bleak tulip]

hammer, evis

[olive ember]

I wasted like 50k gold on my zealot trying out combat knives and tac axes

[bleak tulip]

fuck everything else

[olive ember]

And now I’m just going back to the antax

[bleak tulip]

flamer is fun too tbh

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/KS0bX9HJ4GCJF/d1337lXS6nq4?invite=cr-MSxJcHAsNDg2MDU3NTUs this is your average knife main

[olive ember]

I tried both and hammer was meh and I fucking hated the eviscerator

[runic hornet]

you need, NEED a flamer type secondary or else this shit happens

[olive ember]

Then again I don’t think I like any of the chain weapons tbh

[grave bobcat]

why tf they normal swigning

block swing is amazing on dagger

[runic hornet]

because this player is a zealot with no brains

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[runic hornet]

and no perilsblock either

[grave bobcat]

Fair point

[runic hornet]

i did say "average" knife main

[bleak tulip]

"me explaining why" meme format

[grave bobcat]

No way they should need peril block with such huge dodge distance

[bleak tulip]

"chad thunderhammer" two sweeps and the horde is dead

[runic hornet]

thunderhammer >killing horde

It needs power on kill before it can do that

[olive ember]

I mean you say “average” but that guy in clip lasted longer than 90% of the players I’ve seen in those situations

[bleak tulip]

you should get slaughterer on everything that gets it anyway

[runic hornet]

lasting long enough isn't worth shit if you can't do anything with that time

[robust hound]

Most knife users die to the first crusher they see in my runs to be fair

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

[runic hornet]

ironically crusher is one of the few targets knife is actually good against

knife, for reasons, has shockingly ogod heavy attacks to offset its shity lights

[olive ember]

I mean I do prefer decoys that last over the ones who crumple in 20 seconds

[bleak tulip]

yet the heavies arent even why knives are used

usually

[runic hornet]

yeah most people take knives because they run fast

[bleak tulip]

run fast, bleed stacks

[runic hornet]

and for some reason players hink that faster sprint speed means they will be able to kite horde

It's not the runspeed

it's the dodge distance

[olive ember]

Can confirm I like running fast

Though I think knife move tech is one of the few that does let you actually outrun enemies

Assuming you are moving in one direction

And not looking back

And not dealing with enemies

[runic hornet]

Pretty sure that doesn't work on flat terrain

[olive ember]

Good for sedition speed runs

[runic hornet]

What actually slows enemies down is ledgeplay

[grave bobcat]

Nah it does

[runic hornet]

and most of the time you cando ledgeplay regardless of weapon

[grave bobcat]

Heavy swing slide

is very far

[olive ember]

Dunno if you even need to slide you could prob just heavy swing sprint

[grave bobcat]

idk

the slide just takes you emga far

[olive ember]

Dunno I haven’t used knife long enough

But in the end I’m prob running combat axe

[grave bobcat]

I would get a clip but im mid mission lol

[olive ember]

Dunno what you run for combat axe tho

Like it doesn’t rly crit

[grave bobcat]

Wait no no

dagger

not axe

Or you just making a general staement lol

[olive ember]

XD lmao I’m not trying to outsprint hordes with the antax

[grave bobcat]

WHy block wehn I can run O>O

[olive ember]

But yeah dunno what to run on my antax zealot

[bleak tulip]

can you even outrun shit with the standard issue heresy ice skates

[olive ember]

Cuz antax doesn’t rly crit

[grave bobcat]

lmao using a gun on Psyker next to a Vet

The Vet says "Don't think I'm imprssed Psyker"

[bleak tulip]

like legit outrun

[runic hornet]

antax is a flamer accompaniment

you use it to bonk crushers and maulers after you've flamed away all the trash

[olive ember]

Oh yeah I run antax flamer but dunno what perks to run

[runic hornet]

it's for people who are confident that they don't need knife mobility

[olive ember]

Like I think I basically ran 1/2/2/1/2/3 on antax zealot but idek

[runic hornet]

brutal momentum for when the horde is too thin to warrant the flamer but there's still 2-3 multihits you can go for

and decimator/headtaker for damage

[grave bobcat]

Isn't antax just in general when you kinda want to just relax lol

No effort vibes

[runic hornet]

not on other non-psyker classes

zealots vets don't get to perils block and thus use pushattack spam without getting guardbroken

[bleak tulip]

idk I feel like axe is pretty mediocre at dealing with crushers and maulers, you cant really bodyshot maulers as reliably as youd want and crushers are just a pain in general to bonk

[runic hornet]

antax actually needs a brain

[olive ember]

Antax cheese relies on push attacks

[grave bobcat]

Alright fair but I meant on Psyker only ol

[olive ember]

And psyker peril block is the only thing that lets you use push attacks freely

Oh well yes but

[grave bobcat]

Since I literally haven't played anythiong but Psyker

[olive ember]

We are talking about zealot rn ignores channel

[grave bobcat]

Ah

Didn't see context cause game

[ornate hamlet]

wat wep do psykers use

[half iron]

cute weapons

[olive ember]

For antax zealot is it better to run 1st or 3rd lvl 5 fest for toughness regen

[runic hornet]

force sword if you don't need to passive quell

For deflector clutches

antax for actually killing things if your staff can't do it

[bleak tulip]

foce sword anyway because its the best 😎

[runic hornet]

I prefer a well rolled sword to antax though

[half iron]

use force sword because you can👌 with it

[bleak tulip]

anything the axe can kill the charged attack can kill too

[runic hornet]

because I get dopamine from doing a horizontal cleave through four heads

Kruber Xsword memories

[grave bobcat]

Tbh in a horde of just trash I rarely even block anymore anyway

[bleak tulip]

may I recommend playing zealot

[grave bobcat]

The FS slaughterer blessing is insane for horde

[olive ember]

Ewww eviscerator

[runic hornet]

my brother in christ, I do

[olive ember]

Heavy sword!?!

[runic hornet]

heavyswords can roll headtaker 12.5% which is absolutely absurd

[olive ember]

Well yes

If you ignore how trash their base damage is

[runic hornet]

headtaker + a cleave blessing saves it

I'm fairly certain my heavyswords outdps my evis against hyperconcentration

because of brutal momentum

perfectly horizontal slash at head level, boom

[bleak tulip]

I was pretty whelmed by it when I tried it and then went back to hammer and evis

[runic hornet]

you need a perfect 2-blessing combination

But that ceiling is very, very high

[bleak tulip]

yeah thats gonna be a problem tho

[olive ember]

So basically all those traits to get discount power sword

[runic hornet]

though it's worth noting that heavy sword doesn't need to be charged up

[bleak tulip]

well I guess you do save that half a second

[runic hornet]

which is great for weapon swapping

I can be shooting specials with my mg12 and then instantly go to being fully effective against horde for a few seconds only to go back to lasgun sniping

[sterile lake]

I bought a mk 1 normal sword, it has a double cleave heavy combo.
It has good values, so I only need way more materials.

[olive ember]

Anyways it’s 5 AM and I still haven’t written a word on this damn final assignment so

3 hour power nap and then crunch time I guess

[runic hornet]

mk1 sword is based

two perfectly horizontal heavies

mk9 heavy sword is my favorite though

by far

[bleak tulip]

shame they dont exist in stores

only 4

[runic hornet]

its heavy 1 is an overhead chop

[bleak tulip]

nothing but 4

[runic hornet]

but heavy2<->heavy3 loop, and are perfectly horizontal slashes

[sterile lake]

Gonna need to check that out

[runic hornet]

so you get all the awesomeness of sliding while charging heavy1 to bop a scab rifleman

[runic hornet]

it doesn't roll on psyker
it's a zealot excluive

[sterile lake]

Ah alright, my zealot uses eviscarator, the high damage makes me put up with having to light attack then charged heavy

[runic hornet]

evis heavy1 horizontal is a mood

but you have to cancel into it or loop it with an attack that isn't perfectly horizontal

[severe folio]

psykers role would be greatly reinforce if we just get a healing staff and skills

[runic hornet]

people undervalue the dps loss that comes from having to charge power sword (which, admittedly, isn't nearly enough, but it's quite a bit when you only need to kill exactly 3 poxwalkers)

or having to loop or cancel to get back to a relevant attack

[sterile lake]

Still better than having to press special attack button every heavy attack combo with vets power sword haha

[runic hornet]

ehhh, charge -> 3 heavy attacks is stupidly powerful

that's 3 massive swathes of the horde you delete

with a blessing, you can get 4

[severe folio]

how many swing can you make with force sword

just swing, not counting when they hit

[runic hornet]

Force sword special is a single-target nuke

not comparable

[severe folio]

oh

[grave bobcat]

about 50 before it runs out of ammo

[summer compass]

LFM DM ME

[sterile lake]

Yeah I get it and it makes the slashy powerful, but I think it is exhausting
On force sword and eviscarator, you only need it for elites

[severe folio]

20 enemies off a cliff ??

how ???

[half iron]

carefully

[severe folio]

how careful

[safe raven]

it's 7

[half iron]

(“i don’t have the penance” levels of carefully)

[tired estuary]

yeah they just haven't updated steam achievements for it yet lol

[severe folio]

oh

[sterile lake]

Some guy said at a chokepoint the whole Team needs to stand beside each other and block, so enough enemies will accumulate

[severe folio]

tbh how exactly do you push 7

oh

so you need

friend

[tired estuary]

nah just get to the end of like auspex mission where there's a narrow bridge + lots of trash to ult off the edge

[severe folio]

oh

[half iron]

you can activate your cute push ability in front of a bunch of nurgle’s children near a cliff

[ornate hamlet]

Having ogryn friends is the real endgame

[half iron]

ogryn friends are best friends

[severe folio]

btw

[viscid cloak]

wait,is that like push a enemy with ability to its doom for +1, or is it pushing a bloody entire horde at once for the achiev to count?

[severe folio]

do you think it would have been better if we could dual-wield staff melee

staff and melee*

[sterile lake]

Bloody entire Horde

[half iron]

give me akimbo purgator staff (edited)

[severe folio]

that would be awesome

but thats not what i mean

[half iron]

i know

but still

more blue fire

[severe folio]

instead of more blue fire i kind of want blue fire to do more than what it does right now pre-level30

[safe raven]

why is the staff even necessary when the flame comes out of your hand?

[grave bobcat]

I can see why people like playing Vet wow

[severe folio]

staff is the medium

you get energy from staff and launch it out

like how vermintide fireball does it

[sterile lake]

I don't think this will part of the game
It goes against the base mechanic of switching between melee and Ranged

[grave bobcat]

The mg12 makes things very relaxing lol

[runic hornet]

pew, pew, pew, pew

[severe folio]

i know

[grave bobcat]

It's like having a 108 round BB

[severe folio]

thats why i said "would it have been better"

[sterile lake]

Oh alright
I also can feel the appeal of like a plasma pistol in one Hand and a power sabre in the other

[severe folio]

why do we even need unrealistic swapping speed

when we are walking realistic speed and realistic suppression

just fukin hold the thing on both hands

[sterile lake]

Tried out the Animation cancelling yesterday
Could only think of making it into a meme like "me, dishing out revenge after being wronged" or "me, after being wronged, dishing out revenge"

[severe folio]

men walk like 90 years old veteran but swap like a 20 century cowboy

[robust hound]

There's an espionage mission that had extended bridges at the end and guaranteed pox walker hordes, just ask people not to shoot them and ult them off a bridge

[grave bobcat]

The force sword anim swap is gross 🥲

It swings so stupid fast lol

[severe folio]

no one listen

[robust hound]

Now that's it's 7 you might be able to just hope for a bad team who doesnt shoot them

But yeah

Psyker penances suck

[severe folio]

no one understand the suffering of default beta helm

[robust hound]

And most need a team to not be fucked over by them or you griefing your team

[severe folio]

also whats the deal with the hound thing

when am i suppose to pop the head of the hound

[robust hound]

Just brain burst every hound

[tired estuary]

when it leaps at you

[robust hound]

I got mine by chance

[severe folio]

yeah i been doing that

but it hasnt show me that i got it

[robust hound]

Malice and below one shots hounds

[tired estuary]

maybe a little later then you think

[robust hound]

You need it to kill during the jumping part

So it has to target someone

[severe folio]

does it want me to pop the head at literally before it pound ?

bruh

who tf made these requirement

[robust hound]

Do it when it's getting closer to someone, not just as it spawns

[tired estuary]

nurgle

[sterile lake]

I went into at least 5 missions yesterday, thinking it was the one with the fighting on the extraction path, like where they blow up 2 of the 3 bridges

[severe folio]

lol

[robust hound]

That mission has a few decent spots but the espionage one is just godly

There's also a spot on one of the starting bridge areas but i dont remember the missions that start there

[severe folio]

also

instead of dual wielding

why not just let psyker have the option to equip 2 staffs

and swap between in mission

[runic hornet]

I got cliffhanger by accident at some point in the beta

and i still have absolutely no clue how I did

[robust hound]

Or just tell me if it's dregs or scabs, this would be cool too. How i love surge staffs against unarmoured enemies (:

[severe folio]

i spawn into the void and die right away in full release early access

today

[half iron]

getting stuff on accident is the best way to do it

[sterile lake]

Needs to be mid air afaik, but does not need to be targetting you
So either the dog has taken damage before OR you have damage buffs from warp charges, otherwise bb might not kill the dog quickly enough for it to count

[robust hound]

It just needs to target someone tho otherwise it doesnt pounce

[severe folio]

i can find the dog and kill it on low level

enough that it 1 shot from a single bb

but the bb is so slow

they usually already on somebody

[robust hound]

Use the ult feat

[half iron]

also you can hold mouse2 until you see dog pounce

[robust hound]

For faster BBs

[severe folio]

i see

[grave bobcat]

Just do it when you';re 30

[severe folio]

im not 30 so

[grave bobcat]

lol

[severe folio]

aaaa

[robust hound]

30 might help for it yeah

[half iron]

i did that one on accident

[robust hound]

But I honestly just brain bursted every dog i saw

[severe folio]

i have been brainbursting everydog i found

[robust hound]

And got it by dodging one as it pounced me

[half iron]

i brainburst anything that looks at me funny

[safe raven]

first dog my psyker ever saw

[robust hound]

But it's a lot of rng timing that way

[sterile lake]

That works? I was wondering what it was for 😭
I can charge it up, and when it is fully charged and I lock it on enemy with LMB, it will go off immediately?

[bleak tulip]

doesnt that one only give you the same pants you already have anyway

dumbest penance reward in history

[half iron]

yeah

[severe folio]

apparently thats how that work

sometime it might pop someone else head though

not your own head unless you really want that helm

which i am

and which i will

[sterile lake]

Good to know thanks 🤣
I kinda did not figure that out yet

[grave bobcat]

Weee

@olive ember

[robust hound]

Melee patrols with maulers was how i got my suicide bomb penance done

[sterile lake]

True, a lot of them can just happen to happen

[grave bobcat]

You can do it faster was just making sure i didnt mess it up tho 😛

[bleak tulip]

I low key hope this tech gets fixed because its just RSI bait and I couldnt help myself doing it

same for duel

[grave bobcat]

Meh if you've played apex you're used to slide spamming 😛

Hands have been conditioned already 🥲

[sterile lake]

Always feels like being locked down, that you cannot jump from it like in apex 😂

[mellow crescent]

What buttons do I push to do this?

[severe folio]

why is your slide so far

[bleak tulip]

melee

[severe folio]

thats so good

how do i get slide that far

melee slide ?

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I already worked out jumpiing mid dodge 🥲

It was annoying

[grave bobcat]

Its like 18 different inputs in half a second

So I wouldn't attempt it

without a macro

[brisk panther]

slide at peak lunge on your melee wep

[severe folio]

oh

[bleak tulip]

some weapons have good dodge distance and give you momentum

[severe folio]

peak lunge ?

[grave bobcat]

I really hate dodge movement on the dagger

[half iron]

some heavy attacks give momentum

[brisk panther]

took me 10 minutes to do consistently

[grave bobcat]

I don't know what heavy att's DONT give moment, but it works on FS and dagger

[grave bobcat]

Ur a pro

[severe folio]

i see

[brisk panther]

maybe

[grave bobcat]

I don't really use it for combat though

[half iron]

combat knife slide is cute

[grave bobcat]

with the FS*

[bleak tulip]

tbh just keep dodging with FS its still basically sprint speed and doesnt require nearly as much effort

[brisk panther]

i use it everytime i need to reposition in combat

[grave bobcat]

Cause most other waapons you can't really outfrun shit

[grave bobcat]

• this

[severe folio]

how do you dodge forward

[grave bobcat]

And its dodge delay is really ncie

[severe folio]

go sideway like a crab ? lol

[grave bobcat]

I'm not dodging in the clip lol

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[grave bobcat]

I'm just swinging and sliding

The moment you swing your char speeds up a little

[severe folio]

oh

[bleak tulip]

FS dodge spam is one of the few things that lets you kite without really trying

[grave bobcat]

works with light swings too

Heavy is just faster

[bleak tulip]

kinda hope they never cap the dodges on it

but they did it for duel and not for FS so maybe its there to stay

[severe folio]

so

for auto fast quelling

[bleak tulip]

something something force weapon

[severe folio]

dueling sword good ?

[bleak tulip]

yea

any non force weapon works for it

but duel also has good dodge

[brisk panther]

i use mk2

[bleak tulip]

and duel gets the slide boost too

shame its still functionally a pvc pipe in terms of feel

move set is so ugly

[severe folio]

whatws pvc

[bleak tulip]

[severe folio]

oh

still mean pipe

i see

[bleak tulip]

yeah duelling sword moveset feels like swinging one of these

its incredibly silly looking imo

[severe folio]

i see

i kind of like it though

[grave bobcat]

Damn its annoying to time the light swing with slide on dagger

[severe folio]

shop is client side right ?

each person have a different shop right ?

armoury exchange i mean

not the commodore

[brisk panther]

yes. idk if its client/server-side tho.

[severe folio]

i see

and, if im using dueling sword

what blessing am i looking forward in it ?

[grave bobcat]

Dueling sword

Time to see if my 378 FS gets destroyed by rng

[severe folio]

what rng

[grave bobcat]

No its not I'm missing 10 plasteel

[severe folio]

what are you doing to it

you consecrating it ?

[unkempt charm]

Could someone tell me, does the flame staff count as soul blaze damage?

[grave bobcat]

mhm

[severe folio]

somebody in here said it is

[brisk panther]

anything else than dueling sword 🤮 (you see, it goes both ways when its subjective)

[unkempt charm]

It makes sense right?

[grave bobcat]

"When its subjective"

true

[severe folio]

it make sense

[grave bobcat]

Good thing I only speak straight facts

[severe folio]

also uhh

what happen when you consecrate out terrible stat

do you guys just

sell the weapon ?

[grave bobcat]

If its a good rating roll keep it and hope they add a decent way to modify its stats

[severe folio]

oh

[grave bobcat]

Otherwise

[tight saddle]

Flame staff applies Soublaze to the enemy, the flames of Flame staff themselves aren't Soulblaze. So yes in a way.

[grave bobcat]

Be sad and try again

[severe folio]

i see

do amoury sell trascending weapon ?

and can you consecrate those ?

[grave bobcat]

Isces go get to level 30 lol

[severe folio]

aaaa

[grave bobcat]

And let yourself learn

[severe folio]

im learning

stuff that outside of level

[tight saddle]

Armoury only sells up to blue rarity.

[severe folio]

i see

[sterile lake]

Transcending is highest rarity atm
Shop has better stuff when you are level 30 afaik

[brisk panther]

anything with crit, crit damage och bleed is usually good

[unkempt charm]

Ahh ok thank you

[severe folio]

last question for now

purg staff, what blessing should i try to find for it ?

[sterile lake]

Also consecrate means increase rarity, which means one perk or blessing is added(depending on current rarity, but it also Shows in the ui which one is added)

[tight saddle]

Different staffs have different strengths and weaknesses, no Staff will handle every type of enemy well.

[grave bobcat]

I feel like

That statement should be pinned lmao

[tight saddle]

lmfao I should at least make it a macro to post it instantly

[severe folio]

i like the trauma staff

because i was stuck to it for a long time

[grave bobcat]

Wasn't giving you shit dw, just I'd argue is gets asked maybe every 15 mins? lol

[severe folio]

plus the sound is cool

[tight saddle]

you can also turn it into a machine gun

[sterile lake]

Hopefully they add more staves, I need an ultra staff that just fully vaporizes anything in front of me

[grave bobcat]

Void go brr

[severe folio]

i want a healing staff

[tight saddle]

no

healing doesn't belong in this game like that lol

[severe folio]

but psyker can heal

[grave bobcat]

Mean Zealot?

Isn't their class built around it

[tight saddle]

yeah but not others

[severe folio]

zealot can heal ?

[brisk panther]

you mean like F?

[grave bobcat]

Or do you mean Psyker can heal from a lore perspective

[severe folio]

loer perspective

lore*

[sterile lake]

They have a feat that can heal you for the damage you do when their survival thing is triggered

[severe folio]

ohh

[tight saddle]

IRON REAVER SOUL STEALER Staff basically

[brisk panther]

would be cool

[severe folio]

i want a staff that make me shoot out orgyn

running charging orgyn

[grave bobcat]

Psyker is already as supporty as it gets anyway 🥲

[severe folio]

its prob wont

and buggy

and have bugged dmg

hope is all they ever do in the imperium

[brisk panther]

i run these. my sword slaps ok

[severe folio]

actually no

hope is not

i see

[tight saddle]

best I have is

[severe folio]

does rarity matter ?

[sterile lake]

Solid numbers and thick curios

[tight saddle]

yes, but not as much right now that we don't have crafting.

[severe folio]

i see

also i just saw a terrify barrage surge staff on my shop

[tight saddle]

the base stats of an item and specific perks/blessings matter more, even though our total rating makes us stronger

[severe folio]

2 levels locked

sad

[brisk panther]

thanks. finally got this on saturday after 16 rolls for hp+toughness regen

[sterile lake]

Rarity means how many blessings and perks it has
Has no influence on BASE STATS, but influences OVERALL stats of the Equipment piece
So basically you either have luck with melk or a Gift OR you buy weapons with 350+ base rating from the shop and then hope for you blessings and perks by consecrating

[severe folio]

i see

alright then

[sterile lake]

I don't think I was smart enough to consecrate for great curios so far

[tight saddle]

it does affect your stats in a way, your total power level is determined by the total rating of all your equipment combined, a higher power rating means you do more damage, take less damage, and we haven't confirmed if it does more stagger like it does in VT2

[sterile lake]

Can still buy and use later

[tight saddle]

i fucked that up I need coffee

edited

[sterile lake]

Yeah I corrected it, no more Coffee for me though, I already had 2

[tight saddle]

talking about total rating I need to stop gambling staffs and swords and get my curios to gold

and ruin them with a useless perk

[grave bobcat]

Taken up my rightful place as Psyker Sharpshooter, but just lost a run cause of a bulwark and 2 ragers run at me. It stung.

Mg12 is fun though

[tight saddle]

XII las is fun af

[grave bobcat]

And idk

All my curios have + toughness and gunner res and I feel like until I get one with higher toughness or resistance

Not wroth rolling on them

[tight saddle]

I just want the higher rating at this point

[brisk panther]

well, at least youre having fun when your team wiped cus of you 🤷‍♂️

[grave bobcat]

I mean the other 3 dying has nothing to do with me 😛

Unfortunately I can't do everything 😛

[wise pecan]

Eeeeh

It kinda does, depending on the circumstances. IE if they got swarmed with specials that could have been halted had you a different weapon

[grave bobcat]

I mean they would've been halted

[wise pecan]

Ofc, you can’t get good for other people

[severe folio]

time

[grave bobcat]

But at what point does me killing hte other 2 bulwarks, mutant, dog, 2 crushers and 2 ragers

Mean I've contribtued

😛

[brisk panther]

im just joking. my point was that as a psyker with a better suited weapon you could have easily cc'd those elites for your team to kill. but ofc your teammates could have been dead before the elites appeared. 🙂

[grave bobcat]

At what point do they need to carry their own weight lol

[brisk panther]

oh thats alot to ask with pugs xd

[grave bobcat]

Mhm

But if I really cared I'd swap back to surge

[brisk panther]

from my experience 85%+ of people dont carry their own weight

in pugs

[tight saddle]

yes, but whatever staff you were using would have cleared the specific things that staff is best at clearing. it's up to your team to cover the weaknesses of your staff. Regardless of what staff you had that staff would have handled a specific portion of what caused the wipe, what caused the wipe was everything else going to shit by the team as a whole. This is of course assuming you used whatever staff you had on to its fullest capabilities.

[brisk panther]

ofc, almost every situation in tide games is unique depending on the context

thats why a general question like "what is best?" only can be answered generally

[sterile sable]

biggest impact and carry potential for psyker is surge for heresy+ absolutely broken control

fight me

[brisk panther]

100% agree. mostly do damnation tho

and it applies there too

[runic hornet]

trauma staff has no weaknesses, it does high damage and hardstaggers everything ||until you hit 100% perils||

[tight saddle]

don't sleep on that busted purg CC

[sterile sable]

surge staggers mutant mid charge no contest

[sterile lake]

Maybe as a psyker you do depend more on a team that plays well together

[tight saddle]

purg staggers more elites inside of a horde than surg having to rely on the RNG bouncing

[brisk panther]

im gonna try that more. on what enemies are the cc busted? and how is it against hounds, bombers, mutants, ragers and carapace? honest question

[grave bobcat]

Its edeifnitely the easiest way to keep your teammats alive

[sterile sable]

you can bully poxbusters your vet is ignoring for ages

[tight saddle]

test it in the meatgrinder against different enemies

[grave bobcat]

But now I'm findign I ened to relearn my dodge timingds lmao

[runic hornet]

meatgrinder is not an accurate measure of stager because it doesn't factor attack resistance

[sterile sable]

glitched?

[wise pecan]

In my experience: worthless against carapace, good against flak armor and regular flesh enemies, hounds are too evasive to build stacks on

[runic hornet]

literally everything stagggers in meatgrinder

try staggering ragers outside of the range and you'll get rekt

[magic hull]

only stagger flesh enemies. Armoured ragers doesnt stagger

[grave bobcat]

With the purge?

[brisk panther]

meatgrinder is very squewed imo. from meatgrinder testing its very hard to know how something behaves in an actual game

[runic hornet]

meatgrinder damage numbers are fine

[magic hull]

good thing about purge is passive damage. That means you can apply passive damage to high quantity of enemies instead of direct damage

[runic hornet]

But enemies gain stagger resistance, and massive amounts, when they attack

It's impossible eto know this from the range

[lethal folio]

Purgatus can lock down ragers i regular gameplay

[runic hornet]

but you can hit a crusher with a basic mk1 sword and it'll stagger, in the range

[tight saddle]

every staff has tricks like that

[runic hornet]

good luck doing that when it's doing an overhead

[magic hull]

right click yeah

[grave bobcat]

I can attest to Keth because I've seen him stagger things in-game with purge lol

[magic hull]

left click purg is good for stacking fire damage

passive damage

[runic hornet]

what

it applies a singular stack, doesn't it

[tight saddle]

left click sucks at astacking soublaze

[magic hull]

it stacks faster than right click

[runic hornet]

REALLY, now

[grave bobcat]

Isn't the left clic ksupposed to be maintaining the stack

not applying

[magic hull]

it applies iirc

[grave bobcat]

I know it applies

[magic hull]

hang on lemme test

[grave bobcat]

or it wouldn;t maintain it

would it

lol

[magic hull]

it would maintain over a good while yeah

and then decreases

[brisk panther]

so what about the bombers and mutants?

[lethal folio]

Purgatus also ignores stagger reductions.

[brittle mesa]

Is this worth picking up? the quell speed has me a bit worried

[magic hull]

left click is nice for big bosses like nurgle or plague orgryn. it stacks nicely

[tight saddle]

hard to type here while reviving my friends new in a malice run lmao

[wise pecan]

Haven’t really tested. It’s a horde clear weapon, neither of those just sit and vibe in a horde

[grave bobcat]

You too? 🥲

I got knocked off map by the boss and after my teammates killed the boss who I had been kiting the whole t ime

[magic hull]

purge is really bad agaisnt carapce armour though so yeah

[grave bobcat]

They literally just walked off

lmfao

[brisk panther]

you prob dont have to watch it to say: stick together and use dodge

[tight saddle]

they're not gamers

[wise pecan]

Yeah crushers are functionally straight up immune to it

[tight saddle]

they're 40K nerds

[grave bobcat]

Damnation randoms 🤷

[severe folio]

man i hate the shop timed function lol

[runic hornet]

no, because it doesn't have quell-on-headshot

[brisk panther]

usually dumb and dumber

[sterile lake]

I don't know how Quell speed is factored sadly
If you always Quell with your staff it could be a problem, if you use a melee weapon for passive Auto Quell regularly it might make sense
If you get the Quell peril in weak Spot hit you might not need to manually quell often

[severe folio]

2 missions and the thing you need bye bye

[runic hornet]

If you're going to buy a blue voidstrike staff, it needs to have quell-on-weakspot hit or you're going to have to upgrade it to gold to see if it gets it, which is way too expensive

[grave bobcat]

Tbh this time it was funny lol

Look how close he is too me

[runic hornet]

If you want to buy grey/green voidstrikes with good base stats and RNG into quell-on-weakspot, that's fine

[grave bobcat]

As I dangle into the abyss

He just turns around and walks away lmfao

[brittle mesa]

I see thank you very much, bit strapped for cash on psyker due to ogryn having most of my playtime, thanks for saving me some money!

[wise pecan]

In my experience, quell speed makes a significant difference on staves

[runic hornet]

voidstrike, though

[brisk panther]

lul i played with that guy yesterday.

[grave bobcat]

My condolences

[severe folio]

where is the weaknesses on an enemy ?

head ?

[runic hornet]

Voidstrike goes perils positive if you spam min-charge bolts at head level

it's the head for literally every enemy except the beast of nurgle, I think

[severe folio]

i see

[runic hornet]

the beast of nurgle has the back-weakspot

[severe folio]

what about for purge staff

still quell on weakness ?

[grave bobcat]

And since 90% of my time iI'm using Surge don't think Quell is useful on it that much, charge rate better

[runic hornet]

i don't think purgatus can even roll quell on weakspot

given that it's a flamer, how the fuck do you headshot with it

[grave bobcat]

Since by the time im at 100 peril most specials dead

[brisk panther]

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

[wise pecan]

Generally, yes. Beast of nurgle is the chief exception, though the weak point of a mauler is carapace armored, and as such the term “weak point” is generally a misnomer for em, too

[magic hull]

you can get to around 20 left click shots(?) and stack around 190+ tick. :\ is it the best in instantly killing? not really. prob better for stacking passive damage. You can always combo left and right click though.

[runic hornet]

yeah okay in what universe does this stack faster than RMB

left click is for when you gotta run fast or when you need to push enemies out of your face to start with

[magic hull]

rmb doesnt stack passive fire damage as fast

it does constant damage faster tho

[wise pecan]

I use LMB for stagger and RMB to actually kill things

[magic hull]

lmb is for passive stacking, im guessing so, that's a way to play purge is guess? stack and forget

[runic hornet]

you can't really "forget" enemies in this game lol

you look away from theenemy when it's fucking dead

[magic hull]

yeah and that too. Using Q interchangably is useful for stacking and meleeing

[magic hull]

im not being literal

[runic hornet]

that's how people are always complaining about "enemies spawned behind me!" no your dipshit vet just knocked them behind you with his frag

[cyan notch]

no but they actually spawn behind you lol