#psyker-class | Darktide | Page 126

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:17 AM

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what do you mean the "Bar"

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:17 AM

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oof

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:17 AM

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i'm using a trauma staff so

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:17 AM

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runic hornet what do you mean the "Bar"

look at the video

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trauma dosent work

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:17 AM

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oh, it's only purgatus?

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:17 AM

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all staffs except trauma

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:17 AM

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there has to be an animation to cancel

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:18 AM

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trauma belongs in the trashbin

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:18 AM

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because you don't suffer the effects of going over 100% peril until your attack animation is done

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:18 AM

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👀 '

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:18 AM

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Okay, I instantly exploded when I did it on voidstrike

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didn't even have a nimation, just a boom and 0% perils

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:18 AM

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its bascially lazy programming where the explosion only happens after animation ends

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but if you cancel the animation, you dont explode

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also pretty easy to fix if devs find out

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:19 AM

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it's definitely going to get fixed

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:19 AM

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just gotta change from post count to pre-count

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:19 AM

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wtf

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now I just.

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:19 AM

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animation cancel fixing though... that might not be that easy to fix

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:19 AM

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There's no projectile

jade geode Dec 12, 2022, 4:19 AM

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Yeah I really wouldn't bother yourself trying to "learn" it when it's obviously a bug that's going to be fixed.

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:19 AM

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so voidstrike cancel will be hilarious for awhile

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:19 AM

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yea looks real buggy

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:20 AM

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you have to constantly sprint forwards to cancel or it will catch up to you

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:20 AM

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so what's voidstrike cancel

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you just tap R after throwing

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:20 AM

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press r the moment the bolt leaves the staff

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:20 AM

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so you can start charging the next bolt faster?

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:20 AM

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runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:21 AM

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oh

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LMAO

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:21 AM

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about 3x firerate maybe

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:21 AM

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does canceling Surge reduce time they ccd?

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:22 AM

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teal cargo does canceling Surge reduce time they ccd?

cancelling surge prevents explosions

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but its 100% gonna be fixed, and easily lolz

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:22 AM

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no i mean if you cancel it are the enemies still ccd/ take full dmg?

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:22 AM

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no

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:22 AM

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teal cargo no i mean if you cancel it are the enemies still ccd/ take full dmg?

they take the final damage, and however long they cc until you interrupt

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:22 AM

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so what's the actual utility of spamming fast RMBs though

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rather than just charging a big ball normally

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:23 AM

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well i guess that is a lotta dmg 👀

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with surge

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:23 AM

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runic hornet rather than just charging a big ball normally

it melts stuff faster than a big ball

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:23 AM

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oh yeah a full ball does like 300 to flak

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but you can throw like 4 or 5 even

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which do like 100

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:24 AM

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its also better if you have the quell peril blessing

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:24 AM

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I keep popping past 100 peril

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I've figured out the timing for fast firing

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:24 AM

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since small balls generate very little peril, and you quell it all on headshots

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surge sprinting needs alot of practice

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and might not be very practical

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and will probably be fixed soon lolz

restive slate Dec 12, 2022, 4:25 AM

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Hopefully Psyker gets buffed too

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Let BB scale with difficulty pls

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:26 AM

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looking at how much love pysker gets, i did say we will get a nerf instead

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:26 AM

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Purgatus you can cancel with "R"

uncut hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:26 AM

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We're the second least played class

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:26 AM

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Surge doesnt look like you can

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:26 AM

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we got slapped with the most nerfs post-beta, and every patch barely even mentions pysker

uncut hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:26 AM

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Just under zealot

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And far under vet

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:26 AM

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Ogryn least playeD:?

uncut hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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Yea by a lot

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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teal cargo Ogryn least playeD:?

not suprised

uncut hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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There was someone who recorded 200 games and their class encounters

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They posted it on the reddit

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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It's something like 40% vets
then zealot = psyker
With ogryns as a slim remainder

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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ogryn suffers quite abit in higher diffs

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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i wouldn't say that

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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really?

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why is Ogryn bad at higher dfif?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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it's more that ogyrn can't be played brainlessly at higher diffs

uncut hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:27 AM

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Not really I find

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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if anyhthing should be better

uncut hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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Having an ogryn feels great

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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sicne you cc more thiigns

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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runic hornet it's more that ogyrn can't be played brainlessly at higher diffs

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teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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plus you got a shield

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that blocks tons of dmg

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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people like to meme about "lol ogyrn dumb" but honestly I'd rather have the typical LFG ogyrn main than a zealot main

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shield is usually not picked on damnation

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horde kill too important

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and your vet is usually on top of their game when it comes to killing rifles

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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theres no point playing damn

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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oh leave that to your Flamer Zealot

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:29 AM

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heresy is the most ppl bother with

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:29 AM

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ogyrn's ability is to stack toughness blessings which gives them to ability to F into shotgun+rifle squads and htne sustain their toughness purely on meleeing things, way more than zealot can sustain

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:29 AM

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Damnation sometimes hard to find games

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:29 AM

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rewards / completion arent worth it for damnation

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:29 AM

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it's very, very noticeable

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I get something like 40% toughness back (so more like 60 after curios) for landing a single heavy melee

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:30 AM

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:eye

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wow

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thats a ton of toughness

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:30 AM

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that's way better than zealot's 5-3 regen

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:30 AM

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you spend much more time with a much higher failure chance where you dont get mats / credit, for a 5k more credit chance and abit more diamantine

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:30 AM

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so you basically invincible?

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in melee?

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:30 AM

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zealot needs reworking

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playing a melee zealot on damnation is basically a waste of time

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:30 AM

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to enemy rifles, you aren't invincible because damnation hurts

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:30 AM

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yea i find not many peopel in Damnation

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:30 AM

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and you're not actually as tanky as a crit-knife zealot who takes the 75% DR talent

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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and an ogryn without a shield on Heresy+ is doing their team a disservice

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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but the thing is, crit-knife zealot MUST keep hitting things and proccing RNG buffs

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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Yea OGryn shield is nice

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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if your DR buff falls off and you get shotgunned you explode

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strongly disagree on shield, its lack of killing power is egregious

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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usually I see OGryns with shield though

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its sooo nice

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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you don't use the shield to kill things

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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you use shield to cc

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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when I play Flamer Zealot

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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ogyrn shield is okay in a very coordinated group but it makes the group incredibly fragile

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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you use it to create pockets of protection from enemy fire

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:31 AM

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i don need OGryn to kill hordes

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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infinite cleave on second heavy attack that sends enemies flying

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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meanwhile you can consistently dig yourself out of shit situations with a bull butcher cleaver

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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jesus h christ, not everything is about dps

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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but i do need them to shield from gunners

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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survivability is a major win for the team

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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yea

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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pathetic dps but your teammates get free kills

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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The argument is that with a toughness-blessing weapon, you don't even need the shield

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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and you can tank Daemonhost real well

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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Cant deal fps if your dead 🙂

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Dps*

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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because the ogyrn can, unironically, F into any rifles+shotgun squad on the ground and sustain while killing them

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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you can't toughness tank gunners

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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You can with ogyrn. Unironically

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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ogryn is great for the team regrouping

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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I have had a reaper going fullbore on me while I melee riflemen

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:32 AM

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setting up chokepoints

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and if you don't have anyone to melee, then what?

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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yea and plopping shield down

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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people talk about the big brain plays you can do with ogyrn, but... it all falls apart if your actual dps get downed

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it's a very fragile teamcomp and cleaver ogyrn can make it to the next rescue ez

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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Or Shield Ogryn + Purg

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feels nice

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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sure, everything falls apart when a single teammate goes down in damnation

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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long wharf sure, everything falls apart when a single teammate goes down in damnation

not true

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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shield ogryn + surge is also nice

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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It is a team game after all 😛

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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The stronger your individual teammates are

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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well, theres the powermaul this week

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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because you don't have to see anything for the surge staff to hit things

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:33 AM

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the more you can recover from mistakes and unlucky disablers

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:34 AM

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if it works like the vets power sword, ogryn would be happy

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:34 AM

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"damnation is over if one person goes down" I find is only true when your team is on the brink to begin with

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:34 AM

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if it ends up like the zealots thunder hammer....

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:34 AM

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ANd then people like to lean into it with specialized teamcomps that fall apart if just one person dies, like flamer zealot, bolter vet, ogyrn shield, bleh

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:34 AM

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runic hornet "damnation is over if one person goes down" I find is only true when your team i...

Teams like this always die in the first 5 mins of the game anyway lll

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Like fr you can tell if a run is gonna go good or bad just from the first encounter lol

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:35 AM

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"damnation is a wipe if only one person goes down" is a self-fulfilling prophecy if you build a team that is hyperspecialized and needs everyone alive to function

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:35 AM

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Flamer Zealot is no joke

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:35 AM

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Or, you could just dogpile in with 2 lasgun vets and 2 bolter vets

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That team has doubled ranged redundancy and everyone has power swords

teal cargo Dec 12, 2022, 4:35 AM

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well thas cos Vet is broken

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:35 AM

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and even the lasgun vets can still kill crushers with their power swords

olive ember Dec 12, 2022, 4:36 AM

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I find two vets + two psykers work better tbh

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:36 AM

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vet being the class with the best melee and range weapons drives everyone else nuts

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:36 AM

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they not only have the best ranged weapons, but they make the best use of ranged weapons

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which is fine, if they didn't also have the best toughness and melee weapons as backup

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:36 AM

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I wouldn’t say Crusher are ever that much of an issue anyways

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:36 AM

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they not only have the best ranged weapons
No? Zealots get bolters and mg12 lasguns too

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:37 AM

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People usually die getting locked in by a bulwark just preventing them from doing anything

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:37 AM

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and zealots don't do half the damage a vet does with a bolter

near siren Dec 12, 2022, 4:37 AM

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celest oar vet being the class with the best melee and range weapons drives everyone else n...

its pretty funny how vets got better melee than us

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:37 AM

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grave bobcat I wouldn’t say Crusher are ever that much of an issue anyways

they are on damnation as part of the "wipe pyramid"
You get these omega pulls of 4-6 melee ogyrns that force you out of cover against enemy rifles
if they get inside of you someone is going eat a crusher overhead

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:37 AM

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runic hornet >they not only have the best ranged weapons No? Zealots get bolters and mg12 las...

with absolutely no synergy with their perks

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:37 AM

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Wipe pyramid is a new phrase lol

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:38 AM

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celest oar with absolutely no synergy with their perks

Not really required. MG12 guns down dreg and scab riflemen on damnation just fine on any class
Bolter, you hold it down on a crusher or bulwark and you remove it before it gets in range, letting you melee the rest of hte horde safely

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:38 AM

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is the top of the wipe pyramid... exploding barrels?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:38 AM

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grave bobcat Wipe pyramid is a new phrase lol

it's basically what happens when you stack all the various problems

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:38 AM

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Lmao

olive ember Dec 12, 2022, 4:38 AM

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wait I'm a visual learner

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can someone draw out the wipe pyramid?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:38 AM

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It builds upward and as it gets taller, the likelihood of survival if someone makes a mistake shrinks down to a point

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:38 AM

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I’m curious actually

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What people would put in each tier of their “wipe pyramids” lol

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:39 AM

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I wipe most to barrels

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:39 AM

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runic hornet It builds upward and as it gets taller, the likelihood of survival if someone ma...

I mean yeah it’s self explanatory what one is just funny term for it to me lol.

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:39 AM

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Basically just stack these things:

Horde spawn
Disablers
Ragers
Maulers+melee ogyrns (they fulfill the same role)
Rifles/gunners
Sniper gets its own mention by itself because of how fucking dangerous it is when it's a fresh spawn
Boss spawn

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:39 AM

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1 exploding barrel sending teammates flying off a cliff

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end result: wipe

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:39 AM

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Clearing just 1 of those is ez
2, 3, okay

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When you start to stack it more than 4 "layers" tall, mistakes get really hard to recover from without perfectly specialized tools (psykers can revive through gunners with deflector force swords, for example)

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two ragers in horde are easy
Two ragers inside of maulers/melee ogyrns AND horde is nightmarish

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:41 AM

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Well depends on where you’re positioned at that point

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:41 AM

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Or, you can be doing just fine against a combination of horde

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A sniper runs out of a door, lasers in on the veteran's head from behind, he gets absolutely no visual cue and then gets instadowned

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and let me tell you, reacting to a sniper's audio cue when you're not primed for it is not reasonable

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it's why I fucking hate "lol how do you go down to snipers, they're so easy to dodge"

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Yes, when you know they're around lol

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and see hte laser 30 seconds in advance

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:43 AM

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Tbh idk I’m always dialed in when playing

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My biggest issue is usually mistaking the Lasgun for a sniper laser lol

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But I’ve got music on anyways so I just wait to see the laser

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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how the fuck do people play this game with music

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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I didn’t actually know they had an audio cue until now lol

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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runic hornet how the fuck do people play this game with music

how not?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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If I have music on I can't hear backstab and "incoming rifle" sound cues

median meteor Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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As a long term chronic charge up abuser, never stop dodging and they also pray

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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am I just old

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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I have spotify running lolz

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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The music of this game is amazing, i rather die than Not listening to that

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:44 AM

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The biggest threats, mutie and dog are pretty damn unique when it comes to their ques

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:45 AM

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I hate playing with people that don't take full advantage of all the environmental clues/cues the game provides

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it's a team game, play it like one

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:45 AM

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I would say the backstab noise is a bigger threat than a mutant or dog tbh

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and it's so much quieter

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:45 AM

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I don’t have issues hearing that either

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Like nothing I’m listening too makes those noises lol

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:45 AM

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Got no issues with all the audio cues

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:45 AM

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So it’s not hard to distinguish

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:45 AM

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I guess I"m just an old boomer then with tinnitus

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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I turned the music down, but not off

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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only thing which gets me are ninja spawns

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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the music is too good to have off entirely

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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yeah I keep it at 5% for bosses

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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I have mild tinnitus in my right ear cause of those bloody cap guns when I was a kid

celest oar Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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like a burster from a door right behind us

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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because bosses will play boss music after they spawn, just in case you're not sure if a roar was horde spawn or boss spawn

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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Ingame music is 0% cause I wanted to listen to something else lol

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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My biggest nemesis on elites are trappers

pallid dock Dec 12, 2022, 4:46 AM

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it’s irrelevant anyways as the game will constantly move stuff into your back.

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:47 AM

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Kinda funny only now am I learning the sniper has an audio que other than its actual gun noise

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:47 AM

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pallid dock it’s irrelevant anyways as the game will constantly move stuff into your back.

Game is programmed to spawn shit behind you the second you dont look behind you lmao

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:47 AM

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I think pox bombs do that

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They approach when you look away

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:47 AM

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ornate hamlet Game is programmed to spawn shit behind you the second you dont look behind you ...

it's really not

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:47 AM

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So I just turn away then they start runnng at you

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:47 AM

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runic hornet it's really not

Ik but feels like it at Times

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:48 AM

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there's a few weird "midair" spawns but they're always in conspicious intersections

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What it really is, is that every horde always spawns what I call a "flank squad"

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that always takes a different route

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and will arrive at a different time

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so if you focus on a horde, at some point in that horde, you will suddenly find a few melee trash from behind and you'll ask "where did they come from?"

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:48 AM

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It prob just does what the left 4 dead game director does and the moment there is a player either falling behind or hasn’t left the prior area like rest of their team

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If deliberately spawns disabled specials

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:49 AM

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they didn't invisibly spawn, they spawned with the horde, and just took a different route to get to you

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Oh you definitely get "lone asshole" specials, same as L4D, same as Vermintide

pallid dock Dec 12, 2022, 4:49 AM

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grave bobcat It prob just does what the left 4 dead game director does and the moment there i...

yes. there are clear similarities.

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:49 AM

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grave bobcat It prob just does what the left 4 dead game director does and the moment there i...

There are slightly more complex mechanisms for the special spawns but basically yeah

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:50 AM

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it's very noticeably turned off during many finales

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:50 AM

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No shit who woulda guessed :’)

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Not at you ballista lol

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:50 AM

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like once you reactivate the forge

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you always get the exact same spawn waves

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:50 AM

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There’s also rush and speedrun prevention triggers

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:50 AM

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with zero specials

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:51 AM

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I’d need proof of those

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:51 AM

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Of what

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:51 AM

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Did you not just say 2 specific things?

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Or am I fucking high?

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:51 AM

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There’s a guide on steam

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Explaining how the spawning system works

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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Then post it??? Lol

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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It's noticeable mainly if you're on diff 1-3 because those are the diffs peopel are (trying to) speedrun

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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That’s the proof I want

left briar Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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4 psyker team, never done it

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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if you start building up a horde train

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specials ALWAYS spawn on perfect fucking cue

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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left briar 4 psyker team, never done it

It’s doable but annoying lol

left briar Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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matchmaked into one

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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it's "hey asshole, you aggroed and ran past all this shit without killing it, have a trapper/dog/mutant so you slow down and actually deal with it"

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:52 AM

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Good luck

quaint shell Dec 12, 2022, 4:53 AM

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But why would I want to do thay?

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:53 AM

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grave bobcat Then post it??? Lol

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2898860766

Steam Community :: Guide :: Horde, Special and Monster Spawn Times

why are there so many specials, and where are the hordes...

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Relax chief

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I’m on mobile

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:53 AM

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woof.jpg

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:53 AM

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Lemmy look

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:53 AM

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that's some professional grade artwork there

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:53 AM

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Do people here not know combine’s guides?

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:54 AM

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I never ever read a gaming Guide in my Life except for once a ffxiv raid guide lol

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:54 AM

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Weird flex but okay

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:54 AM

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Oh yeah, the other really noticeable thing

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is the "congratulations you killed a boss" horde

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Plague ogyrns and beasts of nurgle can be speed-killed sometimes

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bolterchad owning a beast of nurgle is the most common way but sometimes you have two flamers

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 4:55 AM

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cedar zenith Weird flex but okay

Nothing to do with flexing, Just letting the games come to me with stuff and i learn it my way to deal with it

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:55 AM

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runic hornet is the "congratulations you killed a boss" horde

On malice and below the boss spawn actually prevents other spawns during the time it’s up

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:55 AM

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it's noticeable that you kill a boss and a horde instantly follows

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horde+specials all together

supple anvil Dec 12, 2022, 4:56 AM

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How worth it is it to charge the surge force staff? Cant seem to notice a huge difference other than some more damage

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 4:56 AM

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charged surge is good for killing certain specials

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:56 AM

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I don't think some of the stuff in this guide is correct as far as pacing

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the squad comp stuff is interesting but not really going to affect your gameplay

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 4:56 AM

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130ish times checked the store finally got deflector 🤡

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:56 AM

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bosses DEFINITELY have some weird triggers even on heresy/damnation

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:57 AM

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runic hornet I don't think some of the stuff in this guide is correct as far as pacing

If you have a correction to make suggest it in the comments.

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:57 AM

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Not worth a correction to a guy trying to be an authority, especially when my notes are just scribbles on a notepad

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Just my experience

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 4:58 AM

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It’s a fairly new game so the data might not be all complete.

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:58 AM

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This guy is claiming in the comments to have combed through the source code

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 4:58 AM

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Yeah guide connects well to what I figured I never knew the rush prevention though

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 4:59 AM

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but frankly speaking that's basically no better than a "dude trust me" when it comes to a game as complex as this versus something as clearly written as, say, Rimworld

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a lot of VT2 "dataminers" were proved completely wrong so

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:00 AM

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Eh I’d agree with it even as a rough guideline

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But I’m not gonna try and disprove it either

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:00 AM

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the behavior of synced up specials is easy enough to collate

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same with horde timings and max spawns

cedar zenith Dec 12, 2022, 5:01 AM

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runic hornet but frankly speaking that's basically no better than a "dude trust me" when it c...

Right so if you have more data to add, it’s a community piece

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:01 AM

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and "ambient' compositions

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Bosses definitely have some triggers that aren't listed here

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They can spawn whenever but it's very common that just seconds after killign a boss a wave of specials+horde will come out at the exact time, every time, like they just realized the boss is dead so it's time to go in

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it only won't happen if you triggered a boss midhorde and killed it before dealing with said horde

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which is pretty rare anyway on heresy+ because standard protocol is to delete horde, then kill the isolated boss

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DT doesn't have classes that can push F and literally delete bosses like VT2 did, not even close

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closest you get is a vet double-magdumping a beast of nurgle with a bolter ult

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:04 AM

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Woulda been nice of them to put bosses in meat grinder too 😦

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:05 AM

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I'd also like to see a "hyperconcentrated horde" section

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like 30+ poxwalkers just all hyperstacked inside each other

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:06 AM

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Yeah so I don’t have to push them all together lmao

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:06 AM

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it's situations like those that really showcase how potent cleave and stacking damage blessings are

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like heavy sword with blessing EFFECTIVELY cleaves 6+ poxwalkers

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there aren't more than 6 poxwalkers in the range

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:07 AM

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Gotta scoot them all together lol

dawn thicket Dec 12, 2022, 5:07 AM

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What perks am I looking for on a flame staff?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:08 AM

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Suppression on close range kill is very noticeable

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other than that? w/e

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Staffs are the most base-roll dependent weapons in the game

night marten Dec 12, 2022, 5:09 AM

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dawn thicket What perks am I looking for on a flame staff?

for perks, not blessings, most things except more damage against unyielding are fine

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:09 AM

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dawn thicket What perks am I looking for on a flame staff?

Burn% for sure, maybe damage and warp resist

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 5:09 AM

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runic hornet I'd also like to see a "hyperconcentrated horde" section

what section where and why

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:09 AM

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cyan notch what section where and why

in the meat grinder
to test melee cleaving on weapons

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scooting together trash mobs is hard

manic needle Dec 12, 2022, 5:09 AM

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cyan notch what section where and why

Cloud Radius too

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Oops, replied to the wrong person, sorry

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:09 AM

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runic hornet I'd also like to see a "hyperconcentrated horde" section

The far-vector hordes?

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 5:10 AM

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oh meat grinder yea they need more adds there

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:10 AM

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Oh, if you mean "perks" as in the lines of text

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I like the +20% unarmored, infested, and flak lines

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if you're lucky they can roll as 25%

night marten Dec 12, 2022, 5:10 AM

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there are perks and blessings

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:10 AM

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those three lines will affect the majority of enemies you care about in the game

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:10 AM

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Perks only affect the base damage and not the soulblaze so I'd argue they aren't super important

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:11 AM

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Poxwalkers dying slightly faster helps with covering a wide angle
Most specials of note are wearing flak armor, as are all scabs, obviously

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and dreg rifles, helmet dregs, and of course groaners are unarmored

night marten Dec 12, 2022, 5:11 AM

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potent echo Perks only affect the base damage and not the soulblaze so I'd argue they aren't...

eh, currently you kinda need to focus on direct damage for tankier things if you want to kill it in a reasonable amount of time

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:11 AM

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Purge is horde clearer anyway

night marten Dec 12, 2022, 5:12 AM

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so I think it's still important. if they end up buffing the dot, then it will be less of a big deal

night marten Dec 12, 2022, 5:12 AM

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grave bobcat Purge is horde clearer anyway

can burn a horde or anything really so long as it's not a mauler or bulwark

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:12 AM

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I mean yes you CAN burn it lol

night marten Dec 12, 2022, 5:12 AM

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reaper doesn't take much damage, but you can still torch it somewhat and everything around it

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avoid mutants too. those three are the only things you want to avoid spending time burning

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:13 AM

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But I’m not gonna choose a spoon over a straw to drink something 😛

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Tool for purpose

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:14 AM

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night marten can burn a horde or anything really so long as it's not a mauler or bulwark

Maulers actually go down pretty fast to soulblaze, might be worth it if you can catch at least 2

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Also you clear the chaff to make things easier for the team

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Crushers definitely not though

long wharf Dec 12, 2022, 5:14 AM

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mutants really don't like being axed in the head

night marten Dec 12, 2022, 5:15 AM

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potent echo Crushers definitely not though

you're right. I meant crushers

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:15 AM

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I don’t Think many things do like being big in the head with an axe :’)

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:15 AM

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Also purgatus staff range is actually really long, I tested it was like 12m in the meatgrinder

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:16 AM

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Time to satisfy a sandwich craving

jade geode Dec 12, 2022, 5:16 AM

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I think the spread value on the Purg staff affects it's range. A really low roll doesn't reach as far as a really high roll in the grinder, I tested it.

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:17 AM

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My spread is only around 50%

jade geode Dec 12, 2022, 5:17 AM

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Possibly because the "width" of the spherical hitbox makes the beam reach further at it's last tick of existence.

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:17 AM

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Not a high roll by any means

jade geode Dec 12, 2022, 5:18 AM

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Since it's probably coded as a stream of spherical hitboxes

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hnmm

left briar Dec 12, 2022, 5:18 AM

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what's a purgatus

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:18 AM

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It long

red basin Dec 12, 2022, 5:18 AM

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quaint shell But why would I want to do thay?

headshot damage

potent echo Dec 12, 2022, 5:19 AM

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Purgatussy

empty granite Dec 12, 2022, 5:21 AM

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Is the Psyker head piece cosmetic from the Imperial Edition forced to have the face mask?

red basin Dec 12, 2022, 5:21 AM

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yes

empty granite Dec 12, 2022, 5:21 AM

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That sucks... I REALLY like the high collar, but hate the mask.

red basin Dec 12, 2022, 5:21 AM

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yeahh same

raw breach Dec 12, 2022, 5:21 AM

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I was hoping for Decimator on the Orange upgrade, but I'll take Thunderous. I'm pretty damn happy with my weapons now

red basin Dec 12, 2022, 5:21 AM

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im sure we'll get more in the mtx store eventually nbd

left briar Dec 12, 2022, 5:21 AM

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processing

empty granite Dec 12, 2022, 5:22 AM

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I don't want anything to cover or impact my hair+beard

undone badge Dec 12, 2022, 5:22 AM

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ugh

raw breach Dec 12, 2022, 5:23 AM

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empty granite I don't want anything to cover or impact my hair+beard

All of the time spent in character creation with facial options and tattoos and beards.... then make every helm option cover your face lol

undone badge Dec 12, 2022, 5:23 AM

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just had a streak of no down missions broken cos a psyker on my team woke a daemonhost up using surge staff random arcing

empty granite Dec 12, 2022, 5:24 AM

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raw breach All of the time spent in character creation with facial options and tattoos and ...

Yeah, when folks do all the penances is cool and all, but then you covered up everything that makes your character different feels weird.

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 5:26 AM

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I mean First of all, you dont See your character ingame anyway, second some of those hoods/helmets really look good

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Except of when youre in the mourningstar... Yeah

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But youre mainly in the mourningstar to look into the shop, complain that your fav weapon aint there and that you gotta wait another hour for another cycle and idk

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Lmao

raw breach Dec 12, 2022, 5:27 AM

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I get to see my characters face for a split second at the end of 25% of missions. I want them to look good.

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 5:27 AM

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Only char i got my Hood/helmet off is on my Preacher where i got a sororitas cosplay going lmao

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:31 AM

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undone badge just had a streak of no down missions broken cos a psyker on my team woke a daem...

Surge can be weird 🥲

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tbh if Psyker couldn't tank the host they were doodoo anyway lmao

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:34 AM

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if only i had a reason to use this

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:35 AM

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Fun is a reason 🙂

teal needle Dec 12, 2022, 5:35 AM

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Okay the devil's claw sword with the alternating overhead/sweep power attacks is growing on me

wispy ember Dec 12, 2022, 5:36 AM

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Psykers when they hit max warp heat should instead of just exploding summon a chaos spawn from time to time

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:37 AM

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if anyone wants to help me get the malleus monstronum penance or wants to do it themselves lmk

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:37 AM

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i'd like to see a heretic psyker class

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sekretly infected by kaos

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:37 AM

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I can help

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:38 AM

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grave bobcat I can help

sweet, im in team 11 right now if you're able to hop in

dawn thicket Dec 12, 2022, 5:38 AM

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night marten for perks, not blessings, most things except more damage against unyielding are ...

blessings, my bad. keep getting those mixed up

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:38 AM

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Aww I gotta vc

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I have music on lmao

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:38 AM

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LOL you don't have to say anything

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just makes it easier to keep track of who's in

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:38 AM

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That works

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:38 AM

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I need 2 more people at this point anyhow

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:38 AM

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kk

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Just don;t get 2 more psykers 🥲

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:39 AM

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I have a PSA for something I learned recently. Ascendant Blaze has a range of roughly 50 meters.

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:39 AM

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Or we can just ask our randoms 🥲

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:39 AM

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Like. You can just set the entire giant room on fire.

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:39 AM

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what?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:39 AM

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Yup

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:39 AM

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not nessecarily ascendant blaze

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the force push just has a gigantic range

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:40 AM

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Yes, but the fire part of Ascendant Blaze goes FAR beyond the push part.

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So you can easily set entire rooms on fire.

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:40 AM

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anything push touches, blaze touches

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it usually does a small stagger

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doesn't have to knock down

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:40 AM

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Yes. I know. But the fire goes beyond the push.

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:40 AM

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What a meaningless thing to distinguish lol

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:41 AM

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either way, it's largely useless you have 6 stacks

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:41 AM

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It also ignores cover.

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So you can set gunner guys on fire way in the back and then they die. With minimal input from you.

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:41 AM

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I've noticed it has really long range on that bridge section with the elevator

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you can basically hit almost the other end

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:41 AM

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it takes 12 seconds to kill normal infected spawns

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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Yeah I never really expect to kill anything with it directly

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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Yeah, and it's useful in damnation when you have to sit and hide to duke it out with gunner guys.

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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is the staff that shoots the grenade balls the best?...

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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no

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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mossy wasp is the staff that shoots the grenade balls the best?...

it

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is the most fun *

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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Oh no

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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imo

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but not technically

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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He asked the question

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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best is subjective see if you like it

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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for end game, lvl 4 and 5

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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Voidstrike is gud. Just requires aim and patience.

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:42 AM

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all the staves are pretty much on the same tier except trauma

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trauma just sucks

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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Trauma is actually pretty good, it's just awkward to use.

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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the flamethrower one seems trash level but I could be using it wrong.

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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...Also think its bugged atm. Damage values seem wrong on it.

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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the problem with trauma is the peril gain is way too high

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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boreal sun the problem with trauma is the peril gain is way too high

this is why I dropped it

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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Ye, that's true. It's great for staggering large scary stuff.

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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and using it at longer ranges is harder

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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Choose a staff based on what you find fun and/or what you want to be good at

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:43 AM

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Voidstrike rmb is still broken so you can spam it for minimal peril cost

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which is part of why I find it most fun

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:44 AM

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find void strike staff with peril reduction on crit

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:44 AM

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mild tartan Voidstrike rmb is still broken so you can spam it for minimal peril cost

this is what Ive been doing.

left briar Dec 12, 2022, 5:44 AM

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spam uncharged?

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:44 AM

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I can deal with most hordes and just supplemented with combat axe for rangers and armor too close for brain blast

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:44 AM

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Like they're all GOOD at something but weak somewhere else

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:44 AM

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boreal sun find void strike staff with peril reduction on crit

with this blessing though it's pretty trivial already

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:44 AM

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full charges are important on voidstrike.

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:45 AM

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Baseballs are for staggering and making space. Basketballs are for dunking on hordes and specials.

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:45 AM

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delicate stratus Baseballs are for staggering and making space. Basketballs are for dunking on ho...

I'm dead 🥲 😭🤣😂

delicate stratus Dec 12, 2022, 5:46 AM

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COME ON AND SLAM

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:46 AM

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also.... may be another hot take, but is Psyker the worst class in the meta rn? most fun imo but feels trash tier for late game

proud mantle Dec 12, 2022, 5:46 AM

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Nah

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:46 AM

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Yeah you kinda turn into a support in t4/t5 🥲

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But like we're not THAT weak

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 5:47 AM

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not really

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ur only support if you spam surge

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:47 AM

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psyker is great.

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 5:47 AM

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void and purg can do a lot

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:47 AM

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the only bad thing about psyker are the shitty talents.

mild tartan Dec 12, 2022, 5:47 AM

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mossy wasp also.... may be another hot take, but is Psyker the worst class in the meta rn? ...

probably, but it's not unusable by any means

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could definitely use some slight talent adjustments yeah

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and some other things

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:47 AM

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warp charges are booty

proud mantle Dec 12, 2022, 5:47 AM

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Idk the ins and outs of zealots but I've never seen a zealot in heresy+ do anything useful other than charge in and die

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:48 AM

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tbh I feel like zealot is objectively the worst class

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:48 AM

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My understanding is you want 2 ogryn, 1 marksman, and 1 psyker for support

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:48 AM

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Ehh

proud mantle Dec 12, 2022, 5:48 AM

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4th slot is whatever tbh

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 5:48 AM

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nah whatever comp is fine

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:48 AM

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3 sharpshooters and 1 psyker

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fastest 😄 from experience

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:48 AM

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I'd argue it's less about classes, and just having at least 4 people who can do at least 1 of the important roles

proud mantle Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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1 ogre 1 vet 1 psyker is pretty balanced for any situation

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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mossy wasp also.... may be another hot take, but is Psyker the worst class in the meta rn? ...

Arguably the strongest

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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horde clearing/special killing/frontlining etc

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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vets are strongest

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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But you can run any class comp you want

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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ogryn is more support than psyker imo

void fable Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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Hello, If someone said they were struggling with the Psyker Class. What would be the first pieces of advice that would come to your mind?

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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use force sword and dodge

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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what lvl?

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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kek

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:49 AM

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Vets arent as self-sufficient as Psyker

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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vets have best melee

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and best ranged

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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I dunno if I put frontliner/tank in the same category as support

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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Nah

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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worthy wasp Vets arent as self-sufficient as Psyker

self sufficient is a good argument minus mutants at close rangr

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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Psyker has p much inf stamina

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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void fable Hello, If someone said they were struggling with the Psyker Class. What would be...

what lvl are you

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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Can push attack forever, which makes em super safe in melee

void fable Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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I'm currently lvl 11

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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an ogryn with big cleave weapon and grenade launcher can singlehandedly stop a horde from doing anything it's amazing

proud mantle Dec 12, 2022, 5:50 AM

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void fable Hello, If someone said they were struggling with the Psyker Class. What would be...

There isn't much advanced psyker stuff that'd help before you learn the fundamentals of the game
Stick together
Focus elites when you can
Use cover
Use pushes and dodges

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Etc

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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the peril cost and using G correctly is pretty essential

heavy zealot Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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why are the dmg stats so low

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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stay in the back, look around, use your staff to deal with range, dive in hordes if someone is losing ground, brain burst enemies with head armor

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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heavy zealot why are the dmg stats so low

Burn stacking damage

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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purg staff does damage from burn

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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Psyker and Ogryn are the only 2 classes that can infinitely tank bosses, and Psyker can be offensive while doing so

proud mantle Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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heavy zealot why are the dmg stats so low

Main objective is stacking burn

heavy zealot Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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ohh

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how many stacks does it ?

void fable Dec 12, 2022, 5:51 AM

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Thank you

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:52 AM

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Once solo mode is a thing, I'd be willing to bet Psyker is first class to solo t5s

proud mantle Dec 12, 2022, 5:52 AM

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I think burn max stacks are 10?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:52 AM

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Ehhh doubtful

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:52 AM

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you won't be able to without mods I think

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always fighting against bad luck

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:52 AM

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Antax MkV is anti-everything and good Surge play makes you immune to specials

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And Psyker can solo bosses with ease

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:52 AM

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now that's a hot take. post a vod of you or someone playing in a way that showcases that 🙂

heavy zealot Dec 12, 2022, 5:52 AM

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is it worth?

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:53 AM

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Either A: you're full of shit

or B: ... I need to take notes

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:53 AM

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no it's a 290 base that's low

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:53 AM

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either way it's a win

proud mantle Dec 12, 2022, 5:53 AM

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worthy wasp Antax MkV is anti-everything and good Surge play makes you immune to specials

Gets sniped

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I kid

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:53 AM

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mossy wasp Either A: you're full of shit or B: ... I need to take notes

I generally treat music as full of shit 🥲

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:53 AM

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proud mantle *Gets sniped*

Proper positioning prevents that

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:54 AM

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I'm not saying I don't believe you. I just want to see what I'm doing wrong 😂

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 5:54 AM

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everything is viable if u just never get hit 4head

heavy zealot Dec 12, 2022, 5:55 AM

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static epoch no it's a 290 base that's low

was this @ me

astral ginkgo Dec 12, 2022, 5:55 AM

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Psyker team ? Anyone

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:55 AM

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ornate hamlet everything is viable if u just never get hit 4head

Not too diff to do when you can peril block

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 5:55 AM

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worthy wasp Not too diff to do when you can peril block

nah I don’t mean block. I mean no hits at all 🥱

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:55 AM

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Peril blocking is insane, can infinitely tank daemonhosts with ease

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Push attack all day long with an mkv

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:55 AM

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until fixed

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kek

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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And still just block everything

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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Peril blocking perk? I thought that just blocks normal but wastes peril instead of stam

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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apparently everyone in this discord is a 0 hit pro on damnation whenever they start arguing about meta

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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mossy wasp Peril blocking perk? I thought that just blocks normal but wastes peril instead ...

yup

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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mossy wasp Peril blocking perk? I thought that just blocks normal but wastes peril instead ...

Currently our strongest perk

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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so you can block daemonhosts without taking any damage or stagger?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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And the Antax has a blocking attack that has very high cleave

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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its not exactly infinite demon tanking u still gotta stack block cost and dodge too

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:56 AM

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It's not THAT simple

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But yeah

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It makes it very easy

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What blood said

red basin Dec 12, 2022, 5:57 AM

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it does feel like kinda a useless thing to build into for JUST daemons since they dont give you anything but peril block is good regardless

worthy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:57 AM

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cyan notch its not exactly infinite demon tanking u still gotta stack block cost and dodge ...

No need for block cost

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:57 AM

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I'd say dodge

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:57 AM

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mossy wasp so you can block daemonhosts without taking any damage or stagger?

you have to dodge the BIG swing but that's easy enough and your perils recahrges fast enough that you can infini block everything else, pretty much

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:57 AM

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over block cost

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But the last swing in their combo, dodge that

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Swing, repeat

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:57 AM

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and if you also get the talent to recharge peril at normal speed you're basically a tank? /s

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:57 AM

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the perilsblock feat is ridiculous and probably psyker's most defining core feat tbh

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:58 AM

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Very much so

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:58 AM

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i have a bunch of mk5 antax what stat modifier do you think is least important

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:58 AM

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that's super fascinating though.

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:58 AM

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static epoch i have a bunch of mk5 antax what stat modifier do you think is least important

mobility by a longshot

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mobility is the dump stat on 99% of weapons

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:58 AM

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Antax is like brainless walking forward lmao

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:58 AM

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the one weapon that you want a good mobility stat on is, like, knife when you're using it purely as a mobility tool to reposition

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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combat axe or force sword?

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or neither?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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I like FS

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A lot

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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And choose Antax over the combat axe

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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i got 2 with 79% and 3 over 70% 🤣

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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force sword is for deflector clutch revives

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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mobility that is, and they all have low armor pen

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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Otherwise, pick basic sword or antax for faster passive quelling

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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Deflector is a blessing that lets us block ranged attacks 😛

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 5:59 AM

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runic hornet force sword is for deflector clutch revives

what does this mean

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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I figured

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lol

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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ohhhhhh

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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you can block until critical peril

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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So we can just block everything while reviving

grave owl Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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Is this decent? I main ogryn so idk much about my pskyer I just leveled

static epoch Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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worst case scenario you get pushed back

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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Is a 378 roll on a weapon good? 🤡

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:00 AM

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grave owl Is this decent? I main ogryn so idk much about my pskyer I just leveled

it has 80% quell speed and good damage+warp resistance, so yes
everything else on a surge staff is mostly irrelevant

grave owl Dec 12, 2022, 6:01 AM

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runic hornet it has 80% quell speed and good damage+warp resistance, so yes everything else o...

Cool ok good to know what I need to look for 👍🏽

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:01 AM

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I personally like charge rate on the surge cause of the firing delay

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:01 AM

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charge rate literally doesn't matter
critical bonus, helps a little bit with damage, but surge staff does next to no damage except against flak which it BBQs regardless of damage, so whatever

agile lagoon Dec 12, 2022, 6:01 AM

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runic hornet https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/L2fEIomWwTMZk/d1337ICuJUul...

so damn that's nice

mossy wasp Dec 12, 2022, 6:01 AM

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so glad I came here. I learned more in 15 minutes than 15 hours lol

vital bough Dec 12, 2022, 6:01 AM

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So does anybody know if Block Efficiency makes you build peril slower with the peril blocking?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:01 AM

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runic hornet charge rate literally doesn't matter critical bonus, helps a little bit with da...

?

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 6:02 AM

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crit bonus definitely good on surge

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:02 AM

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Only unarmored and infested are its nerfed damages

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:02 AM

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cyan notch crit bonus definitely good on surge

+++

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Wait

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I've already had this discussion with you

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lmfao

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:03 AM

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I mean I guess if you roll a good crit on a disabler it reduces the number of casts to kill

vital bough Dec 12, 2022, 6:03 AM

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I'd like to once again advertise this:
Warp Nexus (Blessing with Crit Chance based on Peril %) will actually work on your MELEE AND BRAINBURST, letting you crit with whatever you want

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:03 AM

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but flak scabs die regardless

vital bough Dec 12, 2022, 6:03 AM

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It's actually super good

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:04 AM

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runic hornet I mean I guess if you roll a good crit on a disabler it reduces the number of ca...

Don't use it to kill Mutants and Dogs.

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or at least

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Not the right click

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just stun then left lclick

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Dog is infested

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:04 AM

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I just swap to melee vOv

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:04 AM

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And you will reach 100 peril before you can kill a Mutant

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That works too just easier to left click

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:05 AM

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yeah like flamers take base damage

crude karma Dec 12, 2022, 6:05 AM

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What would be the best weapons for psyker?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:05 AM

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bombers take bonus damage because they're flak

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:05 AM

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Otherwise I'm sure we kill Orgyns the fastest of all staffs? I'd have to check

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:05 AM

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yeah it's just the maniac type that takes base damage and they have inflated HP pools

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flamer, trapper, rager

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oh, I guess flak ragers, but those are elites, not disablers

small hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:06 AM

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What staff is the best staff?

cyan notch Dec 12, 2022, 6:06 AM

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works great

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:06 AM

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Trapper/Rager/Flamer is fine to right click

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Because you can stunlock them

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The mutant takes a second to stun

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:06 AM

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small hornet What staff is the best staff?

surge is the most desirable because it's the most "unique" by far, offering utility unreplaceable by any class

vital bough Dec 12, 2022, 6:06 AM

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crude karma What would be the best weapons for psyker?

I like Force Sword with Deflector, lets you block ranged gunners with your melee.
Mix it with peril blocking feat at lvl 20 and you can survive a lot of shit

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:06 AM

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So its HP will put you at 100 peril where you no longer have time to maintain the charge to stun it

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then he charges you 😛

small hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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runic hornet surge is the most desirable because it's the most "unique" by far, offering util...

Yea, I figured

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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Voidstrike is basically a portable grenade launcher, purgatus is a nerfed flamer, both are weaker than contemporaries on other classes but those classes can't use tem quite as freely

small hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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Just making sure I wasn't crazy

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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everyone is lying to you Red, trauma is the best

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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Oh no

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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I stan the trauma staff for when you can't trust your team to do ANYTHING because it has hardCC that rivals surge and high damage per cast. It just... you get big-small-big cast with it, and you're at 100% perils, so you have to be extremely comfortable with meleeing with a non-force weapon

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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And the armored ragers are flak armor

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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guys trust me, it does what other staffs do, but worse

small hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:07 AM

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ornate hamlet everyone is lying to you Red, trauma is the best

detectiveboi

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:08 AM

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I rarely ever see the unarmored ones on t5

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:08 AM

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there's plenty of them, what are you talking about

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:08 AM

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Which case their hp pool isn't good enough

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Comparative to the armored ragers, far less

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:08 AM

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Trauma staff is just a case where literally every single one of the 5 bars needs to be high, maybe you can dump a little warp resistance

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a near cap trauma staff feels so incredibly different to a staff that has even 1 bad stat

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Oh, and it can crit, which is hilarious

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Getting a random crit on trauma is way more impactful than one on surge

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:09 AM

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trauma best cause you can launch a dog to space

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:09 AM

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it feels like a tf2 crocket with how it just deletes literally everything

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:09 AM

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nothin beats that tbh

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:09 AM

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No its not? cause it cost you 50 fucking peril lmfao

vital bough Dec 12, 2022, 6:09 AM

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Trauma best cause you see legs flying

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:09 AM

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If a weapon only works when all it’s stats are at their maximal capacity, doesn’t that just imply that it’s just a bad weapon?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:10 AM

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wise pecan If a weapon only works when all it’s stats are at their maximal capacity, doesn’...

Yesn't
Some weapons behave basically the same at low rolls and high rolls, like a lot of the melee weapons?

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:10 AM

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oh no the staff argument is starting again

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:10 AM

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Trauma = horde clearing and good stagger

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True

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But its dps on specials/elites is pathetic in comparison

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:10 AM

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the best staff is the one that suits your groups needs and/or allows u to perform the best :)

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:10 AM

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Which I LITERALLY showed you lol

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:10 AM

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DPS? it kills ragers faster than surge does

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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ornate hamlet the best staff is the one that suits your groups needs and/or allows u to perfor...

+++

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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...until you cap out on perils

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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runic hornet DPS? it kills ragers faster than surge does

Here we go again

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Nah

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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grave bobcat But its dps on specials/elites is pathetic in comparison

trauma actually ignores armor entirely.

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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I ain't tryna convince dumb

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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You lead with a full charge trauma and then whip out a sword and stab the rager to death while it's in hard knockdown

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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runic hornet DPS? it kills ragers faster than surge does

I’m pretty sure I in real life with my bare hands could kill a rager faster than the surge staff does

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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boreal sun trauma actually ignores armor entirely.

Prob true

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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wise pecan I’m pretty sure I in real life with my bare hands could kill a rager faster than...

lolololol

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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surge staff does MASSIVE damage when it crits

granite pulsar Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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Psychic comunication yay or neh?

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:11 AM

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otherwise damage sucks

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whole point of surge is CC, not damage

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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granite pulsar Psychic comunication yay or neh?

Generally yay

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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boreal sun trauma actually ignores armor entirely.

I already showed them yesterday that by the time he has cast 2 full charge traumas

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And quelled to cast 2 more.

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I've already killed the orgyns.

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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trauma just needs to get buffed

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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Trauma is bugged rmber

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It's only doing hafl dmg

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anyway

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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more damage + bigger radius

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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trauma needs it’s peril resist buffed

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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And again, I reiterate

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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I WANT TO SEE STAFF SPECIFIC BLESSINGS

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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So once it's buffed to actual damage

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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sure the ogyrns are alive
literally zero of the trash is

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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It'll prob be better

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 AM

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TRAUMA COULD HAVE A % CHANCE TO DOUBLE CAST

idle bay Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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ornate hamlet trauma needs it’s peril resist buffed

Impossible - psykers can nly get nerfs

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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boreal sun TRAUMA COULD HAVE A % CHANCE TO DOUBLE CAST

could go for void too

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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Because trauma instantly deleted every poxwalker it hit
Surge would leak and do scratch damage

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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not so much for void

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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idle bay Impossible - psykers can nly get nerfs

😔

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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runic hornet sure the ogyrns are alive literally zero of the trash is

And like I said, Trauma = horde clear and stagger dumbass

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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trauma would be a delayed double cast

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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oh I see wym

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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You literally just said truma crits make it better than surge

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lol

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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boreal sun more damage + bigger radius

I wonder if it’s only doing half damage because it’s exclusively hitting enemies’ feet, which have significant damage resistance

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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trauma ignores armor ratings entirely

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feet shouldn't matter

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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grave bobcat You literally just said truma crits make it better than surge

Just because of the spikes
If you roll a surge crit you go from like 5 casts to 4

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:13 AM

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To show its damage is bugged

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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on a rager

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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Ignores armor, sure, but not innate damage resistance

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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if you roll a trauma crit you go from 2 full casts (100% perils) to just 1

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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Those are two different things

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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runic hornet Just because of the spikes If you roll a surge crit you go from like 5 casts to ...

No?

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Like bruh

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idc lmao

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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keep it civil boys

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we are the best class after all

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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Yeah no point responding lol

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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ACTUALLY VET WITH BOLTER KILLS FASTER THAN ALL THE StAVES1!1!!!

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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the point is randomly rolling a crit has a larger impact when the individual number of casts is smaller

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 AM

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His brain blocked by trauma

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:15 AM

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that's how breakpoints work

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:15 AM

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rose tinted fucking blinders

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:15 AM

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and a proportionately larger effect on TTK

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:15 AM

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Cause I literally showed thme yesterday 🥲

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:15 AM

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which is something you can actively capitalize on rather than it being just a minor bump in general performance

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:15 AM

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i haven't used surge staff in a while

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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I'm awiting to get a good roll on a purge staff to use it

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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When you crit with a tf2 pistol you get some bonus damage
When you crit with a rocket someone instantly dies
These are not the same even if they occur at the same random rate

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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Every part of the body has unique damage multipliers, regardless of armor. Feet and forearms have like a 0.5 damage multiplier on them, compared to the torso. Grab a kantrael and look at the numbers when you shoot someone in the thigh vs the foot. I bet the trauma is doing less damage than it shows because it hits the feet

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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grave bobcat I'm awiting to get a good roll on a purge staff to use it

low key it’s kind of underwhelming with a good roll but I still love purge for hordes

kindred edge Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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grave bobcat And like I said, Trauma = horde clear and stagger dumbass

Hey, not called for

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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purge is only good for soul flame build

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even then

foggy tangle Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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love buying the hood then it doesn't match shit

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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it's not good

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 AM

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It's like they're forgetting what I'm saying

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10 seconds after validating the trauma

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lmfao

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 AM

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purge does melt bosses though

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 AM

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I don't know how

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but you can headshot with the trauma staff

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Don't ask how

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 AM

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So no point reading what they say

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 AM

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I don't know

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 AM

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JUST AIM AT THEIR HEAD

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pogryn

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 AM

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It's a circle on the floor

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HOW

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 AM

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trauma staff is like brain burst for the feet

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:18 AM

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foot burst

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:18 AM

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runic hornet HOW

Just don’t right click, ez

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:18 AM

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WHAT IS THIS

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how did I headshot this crusher

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HOW

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:18 AM

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crusher head is in feet

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:18 AM

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the blast was literally off to ONE SIDE

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:18 AM

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it’s an ogryn bro he ain’t got no brains

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headshots can occur anywhere

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:19 AM

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lmao

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:19 AM

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i'm excited to see other psyker classes then what we have now

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:19 AM

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runic hornet WHAT IS THIS

I blame the warp

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:19 AM

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I kinda want a better all round psyker that doesnt' rely on some kind of cheese

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:20 AM

#

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is this the good axe

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:20 AM

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Not a fan of the tac axe tbh

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:20 AM

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same

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:20 AM

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Anyway the point is that the ridiculously high perils cost isn't even that much of a big deal
With a non-forcesword melee, passive quelling is actually really fast from 100->30%

ornate hamlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:20 AM

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feels poopy to use

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:20 AM

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Actually

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Maybe with purge

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Tac axe would feel better

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But if I have both surge + tac I have 0 horde clear

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:21 AM

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runic hornet Anyway the point is that the ridiculously high perils cost isn't even that much ...

until fixed

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:21 AM

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As long as you're aware that you can't just post up somewhere and spam your staff, I think the trauma staff's perils cost is overstated
Fight with a good sword and give your frontliners some breathing room before dodging back once you hit 20-30 perils

left briar Dec 12, 2022, 6:21 AM

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is excessive voice really authorized ?

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:21 AM

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boreal sun until fixed

Until what’s fixed?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:21 AM

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excessive force is always authorized

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:21 AM

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wise pecan Until what’s fixed?

Trauma dmg is bugged

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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Ah right

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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wise pecan Until what’s fixed?

other normal weapons (not force weapons) peril goes down super fast

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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Oh that to

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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which allows psykers to tank daemonhost currently

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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boreal sun other normal weapons (not force weapons) peril goes down super fast

This seems intentional

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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intentional or not

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they are not suppose to be tanking daemonhost

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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boreal sun which allows psykers to tank daemonhost currently

Can still use FS tho

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Why not 😢

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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If there's an unintended interaction, it's probably that perils-block doesn't pause passive quelling

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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lmao

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 AM

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if they fix that, the talent is almost effectively yeeted

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:23 AM

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and psyker needs all the help it can get anyway, I don't consider that broken

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:23 AM

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boreal sun they are not suppose to be tanking daemonhost

Why not? Ogryn can do it

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:23 AM

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they have a shield

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:23 AM

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because ogryn is an ogryn

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:23 AM

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We're holding a dagger

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:23 AM

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Let psyker have some of the fantastic power that they’re supposed to have :(

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:23 AM

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psyker is suppose to be the "weakest" class

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in terms of physical strength

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:24 AM

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Picking Psyker thinking its going to be the glass cannon mage class but you're actually a paladin

rose basalt Dec 12, 2022, 6:24 AM

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that's why you block with your mind

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:24 AM

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boreal sun in terms of physical strength

Doesn’t matter if you’re blocking with the warp :P

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:24 AM

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warp or not

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psykers would absolutely fucking destroy everything if they went with the lore

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:24 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKOHKzhcTzY

YouTube

Executor Nral

Witness Your Doom

Fear not the Psyker

▶ Play video

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:24 AM

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from a class perspective though, they probably shouldn't be able to

bleak sonnet Dec 12, 2022, 6:25 AM

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not all psykers r super powerful

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:25 AM

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It's nice being able to kinda specialise into any role though

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:26 AM

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boreal sun from a class perspective though, they probably shouldn't be able to

I’d say that they should fix the rest of the class design issues before they take away psyker blocking. Right now, their only real utility is cc, infinite block, and not using ammo

loud gale Dec 12, 2022, 6:26 AM

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How to be good psyker for team? Its seems my random teams either die horribly, because of their incompetence, or perfom really good, leaving me to brain burst ocassional specials.

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:26 AM

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wise pecan I’d say that they should fix the rest of the class design issues before they tak...

yes, but they probably won't fix til next psyker class is out

shadow horizon Dec 12, 2022, 6:26 AM

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Is it a bug that to get the first tier of Hood for the Psyker, I need to do Mind over Matter (4), which I think is the Hersey version?

boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:26 AM

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loud gale How to be good psyker for team? Its seems my random teams either die horribly, b...

psyker does more than brain burst

shadow horizon Dec 12, 2022, 6:26 AM

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boreal sun Dec 12, 2022, 6:27 AM

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If you're playing on lower difficulties, then you're just getting grouped with baddies

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:27 AM

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loud gale How to be good psyker for team? Its seems my random teams either die horribly, b...

Decide what you want to be good at doing in a team and hope your randoms can fill in the gaps you don't cover 😛

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Also what Viscus said

compact cargo Dec 12, 2022, 6:27 AM

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The best psyker is a cc slave, sadly with very situational bb use

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:27 AM

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grave bobcat Decide what you want to be good at doing in a team and hope your randoms can fil...

To be fair, this applies for every class

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:27 AM

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too many Psykers with their hands permanently out -.-

wise pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:28 AM

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No one can be good at everything. Not even vets.

Vets are closest, though

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:28 AM

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powersword bolter vet kills everything but runs into ammo concerns against shooters
powersword mg12 vet kills everything, but has to use grenades against bulwarks

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Powersword is the problem child, really

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 6:29 AM

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What are the units of sprint speed? How impactful is "-0.15" vs "+0.15" for example

loud gale Dec 12, 2022, 6:29 AM

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Im currently on Malice difficulty, lvl 17. After maxing Vet and Zealot psyker feels kinda underwhelming.

light quail Dec 12, 2022, 6:29 AM

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loud gale How to be good psyker for team? Its seems my random teams either die horribly, b...

could go with the extra dmg on brainblat hits for higher diff with a fire staff?

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:29 AM

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Powersword unironically carries the class in its current state

light quail Dec 12, 2022, 6:30 AM

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vet is just soild all around I find

rapid inlet Dec 12, 2022, 6:30 AM

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loud gale How to be good psyker for team? Its seems my random teams either die horribly, b...

Horde clear with your void staff or CC with your surge. Brain burst if the team needs help with an Ogryn or some pesky special.

It's all anyone can ask

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:30 AM

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boreal crystal What are the units of sprint speed? How impactful is "-0.15" vs "+0.15" for exam...

truth be told, in a tactical situation i notice literally nothing different about sprint speed between a max mobility knife and my lmao tier 17% mobility flamer

light quail Dec 12, 2022, 6:30 AM

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everyone else is hyper specialised, vet has so many ways you can go compared to other characters

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:30 AM

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light quail could go with the extra dmg on brainblat hits for higher diff with a fire staff?

As a general rule just use BB to kill Snipers and Bombers, if you're not using Surge, include Bulwarks into this list

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:30 AM

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simply put, you shouldn't be sprinting. You should be dodging

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 6:32 AM

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uhh

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you mean sliding i hope

astral ginkgo Dec 12, 2022, 6:33 AM

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Is it bad that I use a psyker gun build haven’t gotten any good staffs at level 19!!!

teal needle Dec 12, 2022, 6:34 AM

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astral ginkgo Is it bad that I use a psyker gun build haven’t gotten any good staffs at level ...

Sounds like psyker life 🤷

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:34 AM

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astral ginkgo Is it bad that I use a psyker gun build haven’t gotten any good staffs at level ...

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My curent shop so don't worry

astral ginkgo Dec 12, 2022, 6:34 AM

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Fuck it’s crazy and I leveled hard since yesterday and all I get is knives and guns 🤣🤣

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Atleast I can brain burst those elites and pepper them with laser gun

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:36 AM

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😠

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:36 AM

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a well rolled mg12 lasgun is a totally viable weapon on psyker

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+20 flak/unarmoed lets you one-shot dregs and two-shot scabs like you're a veteran with counterfire up on heresy

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which is fucking hilarious

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that's really more the mg12 being broken than psyker being a good user of it

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imagine if powersword was a universal melee, lmao

light quail Dec 12, 2022, 6:37 AM

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mg12 is fire

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always my goto om vet, nothing like a sniper yet so that's the next best thing

sage flower Dec 12, 2022, 6:38 AM

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boreal sun psykers would absolutely fucking destroy everything if they went with the lore

There are levels of psyker. Some destroy everything. many are only strong enough to warrant being sacrificed on terra.

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:39 AM

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Might try out gun Psyker again

loud gale Dec 12, 2022, 6:39 AM

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runic hornet Powersword unironically carries the class in its current state

I tried it few times and didn't liked it. Takes too long to kill trash and also slowers peril clearing. Perk to increase its damage only gives it minor increase.
Though, I want to try it with perk, that replaces stamina with peril.

light quail Dec 12, 2022, 6:39 AM

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anyway buff trauma staff

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:39 AM

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Maybe regret it

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:39 AM

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light quail anyway buff trauma staff

Its bugged dw will be better soon

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:39 AM

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loud gale I tried it few times and didn't liked it. Takes too long to kill trash and also...

mate, you're talking about force sword

half turtle Dec 12, 2022, 6:39 AM

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what's bugged about it

runic hornet Dec 12, 2022, 6:40 AM

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I'm talking about if the vet's power sword was a universal option

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you know, the overpowered lawn-mowing sword

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:40 AM

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loud gale I tried it few times and didn't liked it. Takes too long to kill trash and also...

FS first light swing spam is best for clearing trash too 🙂

light quail Dec 12, 2022, 6:40 AM

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powersword overrated

axes pog

loud gale Dec 12, 2022, 6:41 AM

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Vet powersword is a beast.

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:48 AM

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Has anyone ever seen the Perk "Cooldown Reduction" on a curio?

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Not "Ability Cooldown"

heavy zealot Dec 12, 2022, 6:58 AM

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does the # warp charges increase talent increase the "between x and y" % bonuses in feats?

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or does it actually make that % bonus harder to reach because of the higher max number?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 6:59 AM

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As fast as I can tell

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It makes it harder to reach the max benefit

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:00 AM

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what is elite vs specialist?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:01 AM

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jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:01 AM

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yo i need the best psyker talents right now

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:01 AM

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All these are the specialists, + pox bomber

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If that helps

covert cosmos Dec 12, 2022, 7:02 AM

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just pick whatever makes u happy

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:02 AM

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boreal crystal what is elite vs specialist?

I missed the reply button on the img lol

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:02 AM

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so what are elites then?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:03 AM

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Basically everything else that isn't a normal enemy

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Normal enemies being the ones you can't ping to highlightt

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:03 AM

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so like the normal shooter guys?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:03 AM

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Can you ping those? 🙂

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:03 AM

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you hadn't typed that :p

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:04 AM

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lmao

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:04 AM

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I see, so ragers aren't specialists because they're just oafz

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but they elite

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:04 AM

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Tbh my fault for using enter as a fullstop 🥲

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but let me finish lol

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yeah ragers are considered elite

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:05 AM

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hurgh gambled on a real good base Mk 5 axe but didn't get brutal momentum

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:06 AM

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Are you lvl 30?

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:06 AM

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yes

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:06 AM

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Alright just making sure llo

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:06 AM

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will try it over my existing one but dang

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:06 AM

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Is ignoring mass the stagger blessing

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or cleave

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I can't remember which it is

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:07 AM

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cleave I believe

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:07 AM

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Yeah ok

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Yeah you dont need it on antax

teal needle Dec 12, 2022, 7:07 AM

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Yay, finally got 'Going Out With a Bang!'

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:07 AM

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Antax has stupid good cleave anyway

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:07 AM

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without it I am prety sure I was not even cleaving through shitty hordes with push attack

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:07 AM

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You'd be better off just getting more raw damage to counter how slow it is

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What raelly?

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Even my FS does that

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One sec lemmy test

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My favourite thing

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Grey forever

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Hmm

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I guess the amount of enemies in the grinder aren't enough to see its cleaving flaw

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:09 AM

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hmm something else must be going on, I am cleaving through shit hordes of dreg right now without it

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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But surely if the FS can cleave just fine

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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but i have seen it get stuck on hordes before

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of shitties, on my prev prev axe

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like axe will get stuck in a dude halfway through my screen instead of cleaving everyone

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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Maybe cause it doesn't 1 tap / kill them very quickly?

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Oh

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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shouldn't have to

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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It actually gets stopped

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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maybe there is a cleave cap anyway and the blessing lets it reach max potential ?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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On just trash mobs? No elite enemies are in the swing?

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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best staff to use?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:11 AM

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jaunty vector best staff to use?

Depends what you want to be gooda t

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:11 AM

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yall just wander into chat and ask that with no research

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:11 AM

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Every 10 minutes

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🙂

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:11 AM

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single target i suppose

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tho i dont really understand the lightning one atm

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:12 AM

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It's the best for killing specials close range, also perma stun locks them

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Don't full charge it

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Just hold rightt click and spam left click

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:13 AM

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boreal crystal maybe there is a cleave cap anyway and the blessing lets it reach max potential ...

Are there any elite enemies in the swing?

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Or just trash mobs

heavy zealot Dec 12, 2022, 7:13 AM

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is that one dot staff "soul blaze"?

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:14 AM

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hows the original staff hold up? the one with the aoe blast on the ground

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:14 AM

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jaunty vector tho i dont really understand the lightning one atm

Surge is like, completely fucking useless vs normal trash enemies though. So good cleave melee is useful

ebon wigeon Dec 12, 2022, 7:14 AM

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well great, an ogyrn helped me with the malleus monstronum achievement and it didnt even fucking count

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:14 AM

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Hmm I can't reproduce it

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:14 AM

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Trauma is bugged atm only doing half damage on non-crits

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So bad

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lol

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:14 AM

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ebon wigeon well great, an ogyrn helped me with the malleus monstronum achievement and it di...

Lole

ebon wigeon Dec 12, 2022, 7:14 AM

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i killed a demonhost with 100% brain burst damage and it didnt count

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:14 AM

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Did the Ogryn do any dmg?

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lol

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when I was helping someone tank the host

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they didn;'t tell me I couldnt damage the host

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:15 AM

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so for single targoet void is besT?

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:15 AM

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So I griefed them by accident lol

ebon wigeon Dec 12, 2022, 7:15 AM

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no, and whatever external damage wasn't 10%

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:15 AM

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jaunty vector so for single targoet void is besT?

Nah its like all rounder

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You can horde clear, and deal with specials at range

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:15 AM

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lightning damage is not bad

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:15 AM

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But it's not as good as the Surge for special single target killing, or the purge staff for horde clearing

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Like which part of a kit do you want to sacrifice lol

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:16 AM

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IMO hordes are too easy to dedicate purge to

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:16 AM

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boreal crystal Hmm I can't reproduce it

I was gonna push all the enemies together

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:17 AM

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anyone should be able to solo a horde of any size and never take damage

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:17 AM

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It's cause you can hit both horde and specials/elites coming at you with purge the neventually stagger 😛

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:17 AM

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boreal crystal anyone should be able to solo a horde of any size and never take damage

In a perfect world -.-

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Also you use the Antax lmao

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Lil'cheese

ancient crag Dec 12, 2022, 7:18 AM

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ngl I started my psyker thinking it'll be a glass cannon kind of character and the more i play it the more I feel like you're only really effective as a support/cc kind of character

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but you're still glass lmao

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:18 AM

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so overall im looking for a special focused build, what talents and weapons should i be having?

ancient crag Dec 12, 2022, 7:19 AM

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none of your kit can actually put out damage on par with a decent veteran or even a zealot

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:19 AM

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ancient crag ngl I started my psyker thinking it'll be a glass cannon kind of character and t...

Same

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:19 AM

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jaunty vector so overall im looking for a special focused build, what talents and weapons shou...

read above

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:19 AM

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Lmao Vehe a real one

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I was about to say I'm not repeating it

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But also

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:19 AM

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boreal crystal read above

talent wise then

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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Do like just 5 minutes of googlign and you can learn this

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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not really

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games still new

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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So you can understand what your stats do/dont do

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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people just make up shit

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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yes you can

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Thats how I learned

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lmfao

compact cargo Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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KEKW_ogryn

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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So now I know you're full of shit asking to be spoonfed 🙂

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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psyker one trick in a nutshell you are

cerulean rune Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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so what, are we a psyker-class Delta or what

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:20 AM

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much better people in the other chats lmao

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ill go to decent people there

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:21 AM

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Good luck 👍

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:21 AM

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idk literally the answers are 2 pages up why do you need a specific personalized repsonse from someone for you

ancient crag Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 AM

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but yeah, cycled through all the staffs because I might as well pick veteran from the get-go if I'm gonna use guns

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 AM

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And I could be helping someone else with more nuanced shit 🤷 like ANtax cleave lol

jaunty vector Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 AM

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back in my day, gamers helped eachother out, not have a pissing contest on who knows more than another...

boreal crystal Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 AM

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I'm not sure wtf is going on with its cleave now, the non BM axe is behaving exactly like the BM one does from what I can tell

grave bobcat Dec 12, 2022, 7:23 AM

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It's more about that I'd rather spend my time helping someone who can help themselves as well

ancient crag Dec 12, 2022, 7:23 AM

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trauma staff just feels kinda garbage at everything, voidstrike's nice but when compared to lasgun veteran it's strictly worse at everything except killing crushers (which voidstrike sucks at too, just sucks a bit less)