psyker-class

[glass badge]

Rule of Cool trumps all

[clear heath]

I probably play worse whenever i have deflector
but man it feels so cool

[dusky smelt]

thats the only reason i use FS its just cool

[near wyvern]

The only real use for it is ressing while under rifle fire

[glass badge]

Unlimited dodges is nice too

[analog juniper]

deleting mutants with FS is good too

[dusky smelt]

the active is cool the ranged blocking is cool it even looks cool

[near wyvern]

TBF deflection should be built into the FS by default. The animation clearly was designed with that in mind

[glass badge]

its just, ironically, the worst at tanking monsters.

[glass badge]

^^^^^^^^

[dusky smelt]

im waiting the 2 handed FS

[near wyvern]

This stops working when you go herecy and damnation, too slow

[clear heath]

Yeah deflector is often the main reason to even use a force sword but most of the ones you find don't even have it

[analog juniper]

I'm specifically talking about heresy and damnation

not too slow

[clear heath]

It's still the fastest way for us to kill a mutant

[vestal finch]

You got a faster way to kill a mutant, bud?

[dusky smelt]

surge it so it just stops?

[glass badge]

Being "slightly slower" can still be "our fastest"

[near wyvern]

Mk V in face or duelling sword in face

[glass badge]

Not everyone has thunder hammers

[vestal finch]

And what else will you do with your epic surge staff?

Nothing useful.

[dusky smelt]

is axe V or dueling sword better

[vestal finch]

You will kill nothing

[near wyvern]

Duelling sword has the addition of cleave at the same time

[vestal finch]

I kill it in one hit with my force sword

on Heresy

[analog juniper]

can the duelling sword oneshot a mutant?

cause I dont see that ever

[near wyvern]

Depends. Do you need more raw damage or more mobility?

[vestal finch]

He's just delusional and coping

[analog juniper]

and that axe cant oneshot a mutant either

people use it to abuse the block attack that is ultrafast

[near wyvern]

No but it can deal enough hits to kill it without locking you into the animation in same or faster time

[lethal plover]

for mutant the way to kill it with axe is light attacks (fastest). each chop is like 1k damage
you can also use block attack to kill mutants if you're stuck in a horde and can't safely light attack

[near wyvern]

And it will cleave unlike fs special

[analog juniper]

so its just a matter of knowing when to use the force sword, not that it's inherently bad. Got it

[vestal finch]

So it's not too slow, just inconvenient

[analog juniper]

where is this axe that is doing 1k dmg a hit?

[vestal finch]

Thanks for proving your own point wrong

[lethal plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049503944927346778/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2022.12.05_-_20.53.05.18_2022-12-05_20-53-38.mp4

[near wyvern]

The block attack is the least damaging of the mk V attacks. Yes you can turtle with it but you should only turtle if you absolutely need to do it

[lethal plover]

heavy attack actually does less damage than light attack for axe
on mutants that is

[glass badge]

speed vs. power

[vestal finch]

What kind of fucked up axe did you roll?

Post stats??

[lethal plover]

what do you mean by fucked up

[dusky smelt]

ok i literally just tested it and FS cant 1 shot a muty it is close tho

[lethal plover]

too much or too little damage

[vestal finch]

Too much

[shut thorn]

????

[lethal plover]

it's normal

[shut thorn]

It's fine

[lethal plover]

4 chops to kill mutants with light attacks

on damnation

[near wyvern]

This guy talks shit about axe but haven't actually even tried a proper one xD

[vestal finch]

I said it's not better at killing muties than FS.

Or faster, rather

[shut thorn]

The thing with antax mk v is that you can tank very efficiently, clutch to rez your whole team and do very high dmg at no peril cost

[lethal plover]

FS is 2 specials
axe is 4 light attacks, they come out to be the same in speed for killing mutants

[shut thorn]

also that

axe is actually faster

from what I've tested

[near wyvern]

And FS locks you in animation, check mate

[shut thorn]

like yes, single strike fs can blow axe out the water with a good roll

because you can get up to like 1.5k on a fs special

but in that time axe has hit like 2-3 times

the psyker BIS weapon for tanking is unironically a random axe

[dusky smelt]

good fs special without chargeing and no crits does 2k

[analog juniper]

more like 2k+

[dusky smelt]

on heresy

[near wyvern]

FS is good, don't get me wrong. But it's good then there is a single elite/special. Which is not quite likely to happen in Herecy and Damnation.

[shut thorn]

its higher?

Huh

[analog juniper]

on damnation even

[shut thorn]

Continuing on what I said tho, the reason people use FS is deflector and slaughterer

[woven crow]

what staff and what melee weapon are you using? leveling up, i liked the surge staff, but only found one. Using a force sword, but wonder if I need more feats for it to really work.

[analog juniper]

and if you manage to get the special to hit twice it will simply oneshot anything that isnt a monstrocity

[spark gale]

I don't even like the trauma staff but with my bad rolls, this mf has been staring at me -_-
https://i.gyazo.com/d7d3c49b5bb98056919006319cbb9f1d.png

[dusky smelt]

fully charged no crit FS active does 2.6k ish

[shut thorn]

keep it

trauma isn't entirely useless, it's just clunky to use

[spark gale]

I keep erryting

[shut thorn]

and it's dmg is bugged

[spark gale]

wdym dmg bugged?

[shut thorn]

doing less than it shud

[near wyvern]

Too little on the edges?

[spark gale]

o

[dusky smelt]

devs said it was doing less

who knows post fix it might be really good

[spark gale]

Well this one can't be interrupted adn that's the main prob I always had with it. Second prob is the peril is makes is too damn high

[near wyvern]

I guess the visual indicator should show the size of the epicenter (max damage zone)

Currently it's showing the total damage range I think so I guess the bug is the explosion radius should be bigger

[dusky smelt]

has anyone done extensive testing of crits?

[near wyvern]

But I say it's a feature. Anyone disagreeing enjoy your copium.

[spark gale]

If I could get a void staff with 80 dmg and 80 blast radius, transfer peril and warp flurry then dat woul be amazin

[subtle monolith]

where can I read about staff abilities?

[near wyvern]

What do you mean? Test for what?

[subtle monolith]

I got like 10 void staffs that I don't fucking need

lmao

[shut thorn]

Also ngl I really want to like FS, sadly the passive quell is terrible so outside of blocking ranged, what's the point

[analog juniper]

switch to staff to quell

[shut thorn]

switch to antax mk v*

[near wyvern]

You need mind in motion if you have staff and FS. Which is not really tempting since kinetic deflection is so bonkers

[dusky smelt]

whats the base crit damage boost whats the base rate are these numbers the same for all attacks on all weapons or do different attack and different weapons have diff numbers

shit like that

[shut thorn]

same guy who figured out the sliders before they had number had a post on it, cant remember his name rn

[analog juniper]

this thing? Pointless. And it should not even be a feat.

you move almost as fast when quelling with the staff

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/9QlBkFN9RRw

[spark gale]

Does mind in motion work with staves and force sword?

[analog juniper]

used to use it at first

[tidal adder]

yes, but with staves theres not as big difference

[shut thorn]

mind in motion is a waste of a feat slot

[shadow quail]

Mind in motion barely makes a difference

[spark gale]

atm I just pull out my staff to quell and seems fine tbh

[clear heath]

The feat exists to bait you into building bad habits before you get your first staff

[shut thorn]

my gripe with fs is having no passive quell meaning its subpar for tanking compared to literally a random axe

[near wyvern]

It's not pointless, it helps quite a lot but yeah should be just baseline of the class.

Mind in motion should instead be:
"Your Movement Speed is not reduced when Charging a force weapon or Aiming Down your sights"

[spark gale]

I've just been trying to roll a deflect on a force sword since the start

[analog juniper]

your axe cannot block bullets

[shut thorn]

dodge can

not dodge

slide

[shadow quail]

I think less auto quell in exchange for tanking bullets is a fair tbh

[spark gale]

Does anyone know if there is a list of enemy healths at different difficulties? Cause damage isn't really waht matters. It's shots / time to kill

[dusky smelt]

besides while rezzing ppl i dont utilize my blocking for ranged attacks much tbh

[analog juniper]

I think the FS should absorb your quelled peril for extra damage

[clear heath]

Being able to safely res people is pretty nice tho

[shut thorn]

deflector works on rez

[analog juniper]

or extra block

[dusky smelt]

@spark gale you can just go in the psykahnium and test

[spark gale]

so much work

[ornate hamlet]

For those that have put ample time into both, is psyker or zealot more fun? Just finished sharpshooter and need to jump on the next progression train

[dusky smelt]

@shut thorn yeah i said besides that case

[shut thorn]

a sry

[dusky smelt]

if you really enjoy melee zealot is probably in a better spot

[spark gale]

I feel more effective as psyker. Lightning staff does more than I ever can as a zealot. The one thing that is nice on zealot for me is melee tanking a horde with the hammer but tbh the void staff does it better

[shut thorn]

ngl tempted to PS an antax mk v into big E's hand instead of the dumbass sword, makes more sense tbh, maybe horus wouldn't have killed him then

[brazen tundra]

It depends on what you think is cooler, flying in and smacking things around or doing space magic

[analog juniper]

Zealot is fun cause you can IN THE MASTER'S NAME!!! and leeroy jenkins, but Psyker is more interesting to play.

[clear heath]

Zealot is the only class i haven't made yet. What does it offer over vet?

[shut thorn]

You're asking if brain on or brain off

[clear heath]

aside from flamethrower

[shut thorn]

Up to ur own choice tbh

[dusky smelt]

plus zealot hammer is really satisfying

[shut thorn]

Zealot is fun

[spark gale]

nuffin tbh. Vet just better

[shut thorn]

I enjoy psyker more

[shadow quail]

Just got a PS on my vet, fun class

[dusky smelt]

zealots biggest thing is there charge restores 50% toughness and at 30 you get 2 of them

super tanky

[clear heath]

Playing power sword on vet makes every other weapon in the game feel worse by comparison

disgustingly strong

[shadow quail]

yeah

[brazen tundra]

Plus with eviscerator and TH you can get things like toughness on multiple hit

Which means monkey swing

[spark gale]

Not really because damage bleeds through toughness so you will often be at like 1 - 20 health and get 1 shot regardless

[shadow quail]

Got a bolter too...but didn't like the feel of it, need to test more I guess

[shut thorn]

it used to be psyker's

closed beta it got moved to vet

[brazen tundra]

I find the solution to this is just having 300+ health

[analog juniper]

Zealots also have temporary invulnerability on death with health regen so you have a lot of survivability. Unless you use a gun you'll have severe issues with ranged enemies though

[dusky smelt]

toghness bleed is % based so you can use the charges to keep yourself at high toughness

[clear heath]

I hate it too tbh. Prefer using the mg XII lasgun

[shadow quail]

I like the recons

[spark gale]

perhaps. I never tried. Makes more math sense to have high toughness since regen and max are % based as opposed to flat value and your ability gives 50%

[brazen tundra]

I just regen so much toughness that having more of it hasn’t made a huge effect

I also have no toughness curios

[spark gale]

mmm makes sne

I might hafta gib dat a try

[dusky smelt]

has anyone seen a +20 toughness curio? i read that they are possible

[river crest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z7vxbi/psykers_bb_and_charges_the_numbers_tell_you_that/

[analog juniper]

the Evi is my favourite melee weapon so far. There's just nothing like cutting a bunch of Heretics into two with a massive chainsword

[spark gale]

[river crest]

+17 is highest I've seen

[brazen tundra]

I’ve been running a thunder hammer cause there’s something satisfying of hearing thunk and sending everything to the floor with each swing

[jovial frigate]

welp, guess its time to try surge with an actual good base staff

[cyan notch]

must be nice

[runic nymph]

hey super random question my friend is trying to get the cliffhanger penance what's the best melee for knockback?

[spark gale]

the fus roh dah

[dusky smelt]

damn thats a max stats staff

[cyan notch]

F

[dusky smelt]

i dont think i have any weapons at 380

[brazen tundra]

The F ability is quite the long range shove

[runic nymph]

yeah hes using the ability

but its not knocking enough off

[spark gale]

Ish map specific. Do it on the bridge map

[runic nymph]

so he need to push them

[spark gale]

Right where they spawn, press F to make them pay respects

[runic nymph]

we are doing it on oblivium station

[analog juniper]

FS block attack, first part. The fist clench not the push, cause its mostly single target, or Devil Claw sword

also are you using F to push them when they are very close to you?

cause it works better further away for whatever reason

[runic nymph]

yeah he is

[dusky smelt]

theres a ledge near the start of logistratum thats really good for cliffhanger

[runic nymph]

yeah we were doing that but randos kept insta killing everyone he got close

[near wyvern]

Forget melee, do the mission where you need to gather the batteries from the left and right trians and then there is the valk in the end behind a birdge.

Wait for the horde to run up to the birdge and then YEET

[runic nymph]

we also tried that but again randos ruined it

we will try it again though

[waxen hornet]

Has diamantine spawns been nerfed? Just did a heresy run and got 20.

[dusky smelt]

mightve just been luck of the draw

[near wyvern]

Diamante? Plasteel spawns are rigged.

[waxen hornet]

Plasteel is everywhere, in everything

[jovial frigate]

nice, already trash tier

[dusky smelt]

plasteel is super common in malice and below

heresy+ has more of diamantine

[near wyvern]

Say that to my inventory with 700 diamantine and 100 plasteel

[waxen hornet]

Not today. I used to average 150+ diamantine per heresy run. Today its been 60

[near wyvern]

So I am suffering from success?

[dusky smelt]

yes

[cyan notch]

why

[dusky smelt]

they had this same problem in the vermin tide games people had to run low levels to get weapons to decraft

idk why they did it again

[near wyvern]

Why is this game designed so that in order to get stuff you have to play sedition & malice which at the later part of the game becomes just a boring chore

[cyan notch]

u dont tho

[near wyvern]

Herecy and damnation is where the fun is at

[cyan notch]

i got 200+ plasteel at damnation

[spark gale]

Does trauma staff ever do weakspot dmg or always body dmg?

[mental pecan]

i do not see a problem with the materials. it is a bit of random but i do not feel the need to use them after every run. probably 3-5 runs for 1 upgrade. so i got even too many of the materials.

trauma can left click for weakspot dmg

[waxen hornet]

To me it just feels like diamantine spawns got nerfed in heresy today

[mental pecan]

the aoe attack is to my knowledge never calculated as a weakspot hit. i am not sure if an enemy would be on the ground staggered if it would count

[near wyvern]

Someone doesn't want to get their favourite blessings

[jovial frigate]

useless blessing until they put out reroll/replace next year

[dusky smelt]

what are the best blessings and perks for FS?

[cyan notch]

crit is good for surge it hits a lot

[jovial frigate]

2% crit at max peril aint that gud

[dusky smelt]

ive got a really nice FS but im saving for upgrading it after craft

[cyan notch]

it says stacks 5 times

[mental pecan]

i do not have any favourites. i like to experiment and try everything out. the veteran/ zealot classes could be more for min/max blessings. but psyker is a support with strong horde clear and damage potential which gives me a reason to try different things out. i wish just to have an after run scoreboard

[jovial frigate]

stacks 5 times, up to a max of 2%

[near wyvern]

Void says hello with transfer and warp flurry

[jovial frigate]

so 0.4% crit per peril threshold

[dusky smelt]

that sounds way too low

[jovial frigate]

it is

[cyan notch]

idk if thats correct

[dusky smelt]

i dont think theyd do that

[mental pecan]

atm i am using voidstaffs. can not say i am happy with the surge staff after like 10 rolls i used

[jovial frigate]

its literally what the tooltip says so idk what else to tell u

its trash

[dusky smelt]

they wrote the tooltip poorly?

[mental pecan]

just buff brain burst on heresy and damnation to be like on malice and lower. 1 hit kill everything except maulers and ogryns. 2 hit for those and i would be the happiest psyker on atoma

[dusky smelt]

do i need to boot up the game and do some psykanum tests?

[near wyvern]

If you can yes please and I want to sign up for that newsletter. Will also promise to hit the like button.

[dusky smelt]

lol

[sick cove]

Does Psykinetic's Wrath affect Purgatus staff?

[near wyvern]

Cause they have shit wording on penances as well

[near wyvern]

The feat or the ability?

[sick cove]

the feat

[tight saddle]

These two Veterans in my run just called Psyker OP lmfao

[dusky smelt]

Vet Copium

[drifting hawk]

stuck in october

[tight saddle]

infinite surge is funny

[near wyvern]

Increases direct damage, no effect on dot

[supple skiff]

how do you even come to that conclusion lmao

[sick cove]

ah, so its kinda not worth running with that staff then?

[near wyvern]

Actually, the ascendent blaze with 4 or 6 stacks is quite op. Just press a button to delete horde.

[glacial abyss]

I got the goop

[tight saddle]

have you ever seen infinite 100% peril surge spam? it impresses people that first see it

[near wyvern]

Yes, you are much better off with the warp resistance as purge is quite warp efficient already so you can get much many casts off before you have to quell.

[tight saddle]

Hordes aren't the issue though and it's mediocre in Damnation, I do use it sometimes for fun, but it's not all that great

[supple skiff]

haven't but would like to, still sounds gimmicky compared to how workhorse the vet is

[near wyvern]

On damnation yeah it's not enough alone but ascendent blace + staff left click spam (or right click on a choke) is a dead horde on the floor.

[supple skiff]

have a vet I've been playing malice on since level 5, never felt like dead weight, can't say the same for my psyker which really only felt useful closer to 20

[near wyvern]

Purge that is

Leaves the rest of the team to deal with the 2 crushers a bulwark and 3 ragers

[tight saddle]

Psyker feels bad when you don't know all the not-so-secret secret tech that the game will never show you, some of it is borderline abusing the game, it still doesn't make us better than Vet overall, but Psyker is nowhere near being bad.

[near wyvern]

This TBF

[glacial abyss]

Good psyker players always know psyker goes hard

Simple as!

[near wyvern]

It's a lot easier to play a vet right than a psyker.

[supple skiff]

point and click adventure

I'd like to see some psyker buffs come packaged with some more active feats but I'm not holding my breath

[near wyvern]

A good psyker:

[tight saddle]

you can do this infinitely

[dusky smelt]

yeah id need a way bigger sample to see if this perk does anything

[tight saddle]

other staffs have other similar tricks, but they all work differently

[dusky smelt]

which imo means the perk sucks

[near wyvern]

A good veteran:

[supple skiff]

that tapping quel on the cast finish?

I was aware of that but wasn't sure of the execution

[vestal finch]

What sort of secret tech?

[tight saddle]

@vestal finch one of many

[mental rock]

for a while I didnt know you could block revive

[vestal finch]

What even is that? Are you cancelling your explosion by sprinting?

[tight saddle]

@vestal finch either sprint or quick swap weapons, both work. And other staffs/weapons have different yet similar things

[supple skiff]

shit my best surge staff has hipfire

[analog juniper]

The Emperor Protects

[tight saddle]

here's a funny but useless no damage thing

[analog juniper]

not useless

it staggers enemies

[supple skiff]

wait

can you do that with void rmb

[tight saddle]

the one I'm doing doesn't stagger lol, I'm about to do the stagger one next

that one I just posted isn't actually hitting them lmao, I accidentally hit one of them though since I messed up the timing

[analog juniper]

wait, so whats actually happening?

[tight saddle]

this is the low damage strong stagger one

[boreal crystal]

I'm missing something, sometimes when I'm block-shove-followup looping on my Mk5 axe, my character becomes sort of stunned or staggered, without getting hit (no damage afaict). The animation is that I sort of reel a step backwards with my axe arm out to my side like I'm stumbling.

What causes this?

[dusky smelt]

damn i was really hoping that you could get the soulblaze blessing on purgatus

[tribal granite]

God damn it I am at 6/7 kills for the pit killing penance

[modest solstice]

please no fix, thats the best part of fire staff

being able to spam attacks when basically at 100%

[night crane]

Out of stamina and blocked a hit

[boreal crystal]

But I have the psyker peril thing, that should never be possible right?

[analog juniper]

block shove still uses stamina

[tight saddle]

you stop peril blocking at 90% and then it uses your stamina

[boreal crystal]

No I mean yes I am at 0% stam, but what does it matter since the block cost comes from Peril not stam?

Yes I am also at 0% peril because they're never hitting me as i'm constantly shoving and cleave staggering

but sometimes, super rarely, I stumble back like this, never taking damage

Are you saying that, even if you have that perk, there is a special condition where if you are anyway at exactly 0% stam and block, you stumble like that?

[analog juniper]

its likely cause you are going from attack to block and they hit your block before the peril takes over, so it just plays the stagger from no stamina animation but you take no dmg

[tight saddle]

can you maybe record it? I don't know what it could be if you took no damage, another thing is your toughness hitting 0 (usually from ranged damage) you get stunned, but you said you took no damage.

[night crane]

Wouldn't be surprised if there was a bug where if you're on zero stamina and block it blocks fully using perils but still staggers

[mental rock]

yeah that sounds like a possible bug

[boreal crystal]

Yeah not a ranged damage thing and it's not the normal "hit" stagger, I'm actually fully stunned and vulnerable at this time -- normally when getting hit with 0 toughness you're interrupted but can continue doing things

If you're saying that that animation is from a nromal 0 stam block then I bet that bug is what's going on

In the super rare case where despite my continuous push + stagger from follow up cleaves, some charging guy happens to get in an attack when I happen to be in the few hundred ms of blocking, that could explain it

[analog juniper]

yeah

[tidal elm]

for void staff whats a good 5th perk, deciding between extra warp charge or flayer. currently have 3111x3

[tight saddle]

here's a fun voidstrike one, but I suck at it since I haven't practiced it

[boreal crystal]

what are you highlighting?

[tight saddle]

fun and super fast lmb shot

[boreal crystal]

I would still just go with the 3rd one I think

[analog juniper]

are you just spamming click?

[boreal crystal]

oh is that abnormally fast? what are you doing to do it?

[tight saddle]

normally it shoots slow

[night crane]

Fed up with those massive hordes? Try flamer staff, for all your anti-horde needs. It's like a zealot flamer with a much quicker cast time, lower reload time and much more ammo

[boreal crystal]

man I have like 2-3 hours and need to get 2 more completions of a secondary on a specific map 😦

[dusky smelt]

imo always reroll map specifics

[tight saddle]

then Zealot hits their F skill and can melt crushers and other armored enemies quickly with Flamer, sad Purg noises

[boreal crystal]

I did, there's a bug where you can't reroll sometimes

[dusky smelt]

F

[supple skiff]

how do you do this one?

[dusky smelt]

i think zealot charge giving armorpen to ranged weapons is unintended

[tight saddle]

I'm practicing the other voidstrike trick gimme a second lol

[boreal crystal]

Worse still, the devs incorrectly believe that bug is because "there's just an undocumented limit of 3 rerolls" but that is clearly not the case as people are getting stuck after a varying number of rerolls. So they're probably not going to fix it soon as they don't even know how it works

[tight saddle]

I don't want to show it if I suck at it

[wary tendon]

that's probably a bug

[boreal crystal]

can you take a second to tell us what you're doing

[cloud flare]

Just had my first horrible mission as Psyker. I was pugged with 3 zealots during Hourglass disruption on malice. The part where you have to pick up power cells, they refused to help, give cover and when I was downed, they didn't revive me. I left the game immediately. Thanks for listening. Needed to rant while it's fresh.

[dusky smelt]

sounds like premade grief team

or they suck

[boreal crystal]

either sprint or quick swap weapons, both work. And other staffs/weapons have different yet similar things

ah

[cloud flare]

I didn't even know those existed.

[shadow quail]

Had some super bad ones today

[tight saddle]

probably, but it's a thing atm so still comparable until fixed

[cloud flare]

You know the platform going up to one of the power cells? They camped that and just stood while a horde was coming. Pretty sure the meant to do that.

[tight saddle]

it works for some of their other weapons as well

[dusky smelt]

ive heard of some griefers harrasing folks about cosmetics when the community was in an uproar

[shadow quail]

First time I've seen it but people keep dropping medkits infront of full medstations

[dusky smelt]

every game has them

[cloud flare]

I was wearing the Mortis armour. All of them were wearing matching penance armour.

[tight saddle]

quench lmb and repeat over and over

[analog juniper]

thats interesting, but ngl. 99% of people I've seen wearing paid cosmetics arent good at the game

[dusky smelt]

sounds like a premade

[cloud flare]

Anyway, thanks for listening. Back to it.

[boreal crystal]

@cloud flare if it helps, don't think of it as a griefer team, but rather a group of 3 severely dysfunctional friends who are all resentful for having done more than their share of work and won't do the mission unless their friends do first 😂

Sorry my office is leaking :v

[paper trail]

omg the heresy espionage map I need is up and like 6 teams in a row have wiped on it 😭

[boreal crystal]

[bleak sonnet]

i need damnation espionage

[lapis lion]

I've started levelling psyker and feels like the main focus should be to take out specials. Kind of annoying though that they're sometimes behind a horde and feel impossible to lock on

[boreal crystal]

I've only managed to complete the secondary 4 of the 7 times I found the map... god I really hate scriptures. The grimoires at least I have a handle on their spawn points

[cloud flare]

Lights out though

[boreal crystal]

That is a sucky part yes, but play more, the focus changes drastically based on what weapons you choose, which unlock as you go

[tranquil fiber]

If you mark them, BB on the skull Icon it auto locks on that target.

[tight saddle]

your focus changes depending on what weapons you're using, sometimes you're a CC bot, sometimes you're a horde annihilator, sometimes you're a mix of them, and sometimes you take out elites/specials in hard to reach spots that your team can't get to.

[boreal crystal]

holy shit really??

[tranquil fiber]

yup

[lapis lion]

Thanks guys. Didn't know about the skull thing. I just got a force staff and feel at least somewhat useful now with a horde

[tight saddle]

not always or consistently

[bleak sonnet]

too lazy to play rn

[tranquil fiber]

yes not exactly 100% but a little readjusting and you can get used to it

[dusky smelt]

on a different note how do psykers feel about hadron? smash or pass

[boreal crystal]

These "complete secondary X times" missiosn are so cancery I can't believe they're even in the game, even if you're supposed to be able to recycle them

[tight saddle]

I just need to warp jerk off my force sword to be happy

[bleak sonnet]

hadron is a dommy mommy

[grave geode]

Anyone know how powerful the suicide explosion is? I'm trying to do the Going Out with a Bang penance on Malice and I need to know if I have to damage elites before blowing up

[dusky smelt]

you should soften them yes

[tranquil fiber]

yeah just gotta reroll them they the coins for them aren't even worth the hassle

[tight saddle]

you can go into the Meat Grinder to see how much damage it does and how much it takes to kill them with it, it shows you damage numbers and health bars.

[boreal crystal]

I know, but again there's a bug where sometimes you get stuck with them, just... holy shit that someone thought this wasn't a terrible idea in the first place, even if you could reroll

[tranquil fiber]

oh thats the a shame. I know there is a cap to how many times you can reroll.

[spark gale]

Does burn matter on Purg? Haven't used it really
https://i.gyazo.com/75fea00bab99540b9ff43b5dfcfc9cb7.png

[tranquil fiber]

but tbh, the items that spawn on there are mostly crap anyway.

[analog juniper]

yes it matters

[boreal crystal]

So they say but they are wrong about that, people have been able to reroll more times than others, but in any case, that still leaves the possibility of getting stuck at the reroll cap on it, which is a posibility to allow

[spark gale]

ty

[analog juniper]

but use whatever Purge until you get a better one

[tranquil fiber]

but then why would you? It increases exponentially each time you do it?

ideally don't wanna be spending 10k dockets for 200 coins

[boreal crystal]

Yeah I feel that too, I'm observing the toxic effects on myself here, that despite that shop sucking and despite it just being 1300 coins, the result is that I log into darktide, see that the map I need isn't up, and literally just playing another game instead

[pine nova]

POV you don't want to grief your teams

[spark gale]

[boreal crystal]

I'd pay 100k to reroll this lol, but the costs aren't that big of a deal, and the reason I was rerolling was to maximize those coins so I can have enough to get something amazing if it happened toc ome up in the shop

[tranquil fiber]

I wouldn't let the weeklies get in the way of enjoying the game... Ignore them they literally do nothing for you.

[tight saddle]

my last weekly is just grimoires, sure I can do lower difficulties to do it easily, but that's fucking boring as hell so I won't be doing it.

[tranquil fiber]

literally tomorrow, its gonna expire and you'll have new weeklies.
Not even worth stressing about

or being bothered about it

[boreal crystal]

Agreed logically but that's the effect it has on me as a meatbag and on probably lots of people

[tranquil fiber]

keep your head held high King ❤️

[boreal crystal]

Scroll up to see people whining about not beinga ble to do 100% meaningless achievements 😛

Add this gamey shit to your game and it has an effect on the psychology of the player

[tranquil fiber]

[boreal crystal]

the one good thing to come out of this was that I said fuckit and tried a 5 because it had my objective and we won

[tranquil fiber]

thats good

Damnation is challenging but fun

wish it got a bit more crafting supplies or its worth though

[boreal crystal]

seems to be a lot more than 3's

like 3x as much as malice

on the rare mat

and a ton of dockets if you are somehow short on them

[devout belfry]

The penances are all there is right now lol

[boreal crystal]

yeah

[night marten]

cosmetics are the endgame , making those penances far from meaningless

[tight saddle]

I beat the game then

[dusky smelt]

anyone got the bugged hat wheres its ogryn sized

[spare niche]

🤔 where the purge bois? this decent?

[vestal cosmos]

i got that one by sheer luck

[night marten]

not great, but useable if you have nothing better. only upgrade if you're rich in crafting mats

[mystic dirge]

Modifiers are okay

Personally I would shoot for something above 360

[dusky smelt]

@vestal cosmos WHY ARE YOU LETTING YOURSELF BLOW UP RANDOMLY

[spare niche]

yeah

[night marten]

sigh

[chilly dagger]

what's considered the best lvl 20 psyker feat?

[night marten]

pain

third time the last perk unlocked on a curio is not great.

I'll have to roll it when the crafting gets updated

[tranquil fiber]

thats upsetting

I'm just glad for you that its not an experience one

I had that on a very similar curio to yours

[granite lance]

Sorry, I'm sure this gets asked a lot here, but is there some sort of guide on the different staffs out there?

[tranquil fiber]

errr youtube most likely

[alpine portal]

Maybe you will get a better one with that roll

[granite lance]

I've pretty much exclusively used BB and a normal weapon until lvl 20 and i still don't really like to use any of the staves

[night marten]

trauma, purgatus, surge, and void staffs are the different kinds you can get. pick up at least one of each to try them out in meatgrinder. that's your best bet

[granite lance]

but now that I'm starting to try higher difficulties I feel like I need to learn how to use them

[mystic dirge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

this may be helpful

[tight saddle]

staffs have some neat hidden mechanics and other tech that makes Psyker feel completely different than normal. There's no guide I know of that I'd recommend since the guide I'm waiting for isn't done yet, but there are some random guides on youtube.

[tranquil fiber]

Trauma - Dont bother
Void - Horde Clear some elite stagger (Pierces targets )
Purge - AoE ideally just melt
Surge - CC ( not for damage - ideally support your team mates by stunning mobs x 6 at a time )

that would be my short answer take on them

if you get me a custard creme ill write more

[granite lance]

I tried surge just now but it felt pretty inconsequential in hordes

[tight saddle]

Trauma does just fine in Damnation, and Surge does good DPS against armored targets since it does more damage the more armor a target has, that's why it's trash against trash against unarmored targets.

[night marten]

that's the idea otherwise it would be op

[granite lance]

void is the ground explosion and purge is big ball right?

[tranquil fiber]

because its not for horde clearing.

[night marten]

no, void is a ball and purge is flamethrower

[tight saddle]

different weapons have different things they specialize in, no weapon can do everything well. This is the nature of a Co-Op game.

[granite lance]

no i mean ccing a horde

[tranquil fiber]

you can't cc a horde, you can cc 6 things at a time.

[night marten]

surge is meant to cc specials/elites

[granite lance]

yikes so it's only useful on higher difficulties then?

[night marten]

not at all

[granite lance]

because there's barely need to cc specials at 3 or below

[tranquil fiber]

its for support Psyker gameplay

[tight saddle]

no, when I do Malice with my friends new to the game my surge kills everything in its path since enemies are so weak.

[tranquil fiber]

you keep mobs off your teammates

and yourself

[tight saddle]

but at high levels it's a CC support weapon taht keeps your team safe

[chilly cobalt]

You can also rapidly sprint cancel even at 100% and pump out alot of dmg

[tranquil fiber]

ie support playstyle

[granite lance]

sprint cancel?

[tight saddle]

not everything in Darktide is about kill kill kill, some weapons focus on CC, some on displacing enemies, some on elite/special killing, some on trash mob clearing, some have a combination of those, etc.

[granite lance]

I dunno I'll try purge next

[tranquil fiber]

If you're looking to just dps and deal damage just ignore anything support

[chilly cobalt]

The exact second the lightning comes out your hand you tap sprint and all the dmg is front loaded and you can queue up another zap

[tight saddle]

this is against difficulty 5 enemies

[chilly cobalt]

Instead of waiting for the damage to happen at the end

[granite lance]

oh that's pretty neat

what does charging the surge staff do? Just increased damage?

[tight saddle]

this is just one of MANY different techs you can do with staffs, there are a lot of hidden mechanics with Psyker compared to the other classes. When you learn all these things Psyker feels like a totally different class.

[granite lance]

That's why i asked for a guide :^)

I've already maxed out vet and zealot so now I want to try my hand on psyker next

[tranquil fiber]

If we had one relatively available, we'd give it to you

[tight saddle]

it's too early for someone to make a good guide, us Psykers are waiting in anticipation for a very good player that's currently in the process of writing a good guide.

[tranquil fiber]

we don't

so ask away

queries, questions etc.

thats what this room is for

[chilly dagger]

what's the best lvl 20 feat to run?

[tight saddle]

for now we answer questions as they come along, and we also scold doomer Psykers

[tranquil fiber]

best bet youtube, which im saying not sarcasticly, is where you'll find a video guide or something.

[granite lance]

Well i quickly learned that most discord channels will have answered every question 1000x times

and will just point you to a guide of sorts

[stone schooner]

which is better?

[tight saddle]

Kinetic Deflection is probably the best Feat out of every feat Psyker has.

[tight saddle]

normally, but this game is still too new for that

[tranquil fiber]

yeah well this game is still new, so we don't have guides yet as people are still figuring stuff out.

or any main go-to guide. etc.

[granite lance]

it's practially been out for like 3 weeks now, no?

[glad void]

11 days

[tight saddle]

Yes, but there are a lot of nuances to iron out and hidden techs to figure out.

[granite lance]

11 days including the "beta"?

[tight saddle]

And we don't have all the information available to us yet, people are still trying to pry the game open to see under the hood.

[near wyvern]

Left one

[tranquil fiber]

yes and things are still being figured out.

no one wants to be the first to be like "this is be - all end all guide" then its all wrong.

[tight saddle]

There are a lot of content creators that have attempted to make guides on Youtube, and a lot of them are full of terrible information and stupid opinions.

[tranquil fiber]

most likely will see guides and "best build" stuff when people have farmed enough and all the facts and tips are out.

[tight saddle]

But they didn't know any better since they made the guide with what little knowledge they had at the time.

[near wyvern]

Not including the beta. It's 11th December, game was released at the end of last month, sibling

[granite lance]

Yeah i don't care about optimal builds

[tight saddle]

I never mentioned optimal builds

[granite lance]

not you no

[boreal crystal]

Gotta get them likes and subscribes

[granite lance]

Just thought there would at least be a rudimentary guide for the staves, since they are one of the unique things to the class

[boreal crystal]

When I played New World there was basically exactly 1 trustworthy youtuber (morrolan), who actually did tests and shit before claiming things

[tight saddle]

Darktide and Vermintide are designed in a way that any and every weapon combination and Feat combination can work in the hardest difficulty, this means there is a LOT of stuff to figure out and cover to give people a comprehensive guide on how everything works.

[boreal crystal]

everyone else just spewed misinformation with 100% confidence

[tranquil fiber]

build, guide, instructions, manual - basically all semantics for information about X, its all the same.

[glad void]

it will just take time for people interested in the numbers to compile them and make guides

[tranquil fiber]

Fatshark didn't explain half the the stuff in game

and we as a community have to figure it out

so we all confer on here

so back to square one, we don't have a guide to give you

but we can try to answer any queries you have

I don't mind answering the same questions over and over again so don't let that bother you

[tight saddle]

for now just ask questions as you come across things, someone will most likely have answered, a lot of us here have answered the same questions a billion times and continue to do so because of how new the game is. The main big guide from a good, respected, and established player is being written and has been in the works for a while now.

I swear modern gamers just want everything then and there instantly, everything already figured out and laid out for them before they even touch a game.

[proven widget]

Here's a simple guide, dont get swarmed, stay with your team and dont feed the daemonhost.

When you get a staff, use it.

[granite lance]

Like I said I have two classes at max level, I don't need tipps on how to play the game on a base level

But thanks for making fun of me

[tranquil fiber]

At the end of the day, we are all here cause we like the game.
I'm enjoying it, I want you to enjoy it as well.
I get its hard to enjoy it when you don't know what you're doing.

[tight saddle]

During this entire conversation we could have answered many many many questions regarding Psyker already, so just start asking them now.

[tranquil fiber]

but there is no quick answer sadly

[long wharf]

growing up, there was no such thing as even the internet at large

[granite lance]

Also I'm far from a modern gamer

[long wharf]

I connected to BBS's, sometimes my dad would let me search Compuserve on his account

gamefaqs.com was a god-send when that started

[tight saddle]

We want to help you, so ask, we're waiting to help you lol

[hexed wedge]

Is there a way to swing your staff?

[long wharf]

sort of?

[granite lance]

Well then I'll start with, tipps on using the purge staff? I just bought it so anything would be appreciated before I hop in a mission

[tight saddle]

special attack keybind

[long wharf]

special attack

[proven widget]

Mouse 5

[hexed wedge]

Ahh

[long wharf]

you can poke people with it, it actually knocks down weak enemies

[granite lance]

left click seems more about a quick knockback

[tight saddle]

it's a poke followed by a smack

[pure rapids]

left click has a strong stagger

[summer wind]

it's pretty useless

[pure rapids]

can stagger rushing ragers and dogs

[hexed wedge]

Weird. Wish it had a better function for special action

[granite lance]

charged attack feels kinda weak though

[pure rapids]

charged attack can CC enemies caught in the flames

[granite lance]

its way better than the slow flamethrower though

[long wharf]

FS needs to change the primary staff projectile to not add player velocity to it

[pure rapids]

the longer they stay in your flames the more stacks of soulblaze they stack the more dmg the DoT

[proven widget]

Thats good to know

[tight saddle]

you can do a neat trick to turn your staff into a super CC machine that staggers insanely well

[pure rapids]

but the purge's main point is for horde clear

[granite lance]

I wish training mode had a quick way to give you warp stacks

[summer wind]

horde clear, and stunning certain enemies

[long wharf]

what is this sorcery?

[summer wind]

a bit of suppression too

[tight saddle]

fire magic from the warp

[long wharf]

no, the constant usage while at 100% peril

[granite lance]

is that the same sprint trick?

[tight saddle]

@long wharf quench lmb over and over

if you do it with sprint you get a funny meme attack that does no damage and no stagger lmfao

[granite lance]

purge is the only staff that doesn't have the little ball as a normal left quick or am I wrong?

[pure rapids]

yes

[tight saddle]

correct

[tranquil fiber]

spot on

[long wharf]

hmm, not getting it to work

[tight saddle]

with the same trick you can turn the left click into a machine gun

[granite lance]

but psyker doesn't really have a good, fast way to deal with far away specials no?

BB is nice but fairly slow

[proven widget]

Brainpop

[pure rapids]

that's the vet's job

unless your team has no vet

or your vet is useless

[granite lance]

I'm usually the vet

[tight saddle]

These videos are done against enemies at Difficulty 5 btw, and my void and purge staff suck ass

[granite lance]

I guess that's one of my gripes with psyker lol

[spare niche]

had a vet who was super salty in our game just now because we couldnt get to the objective to protect him as we were swarmed

[long wharf]

I rebound quell to a button on my mouse

[pine nova]

no elite killing power, no mobility, no survivability

[lapis lion]

Salty vet? shocker

[spare niche]

it was so funny

[long wharf]

I'm trying both lmb and quell at the same time, holding one and clicking the other, nada

[spare niche]

he was like "u fuck this game"

[granite lance]

oh thanks for me reminding me, I keep forgetting to rebind my tag enemy key

[tight saddle]

not that the staffs suck, it's that my staffs rolled terribly

[spare niche]

LOL

[spare niche]

what key?

u binding ti to

it*

[pure rapids]

well you can either keep your roll as the special sniper albiet a bit slower

or someone in your team can take up vet

[granite lance]

I really want to rebind it to scrolling the scrollwheel

not sure if thats possible

I think m3 can be kinda clunky at times

[tight saddle]

@granite lance Are you familiar with being able to slide sideways and backwards while casting/quenching/BBing/etc?

[pure rapids]

though imo if you want a far special sniper, Psyker does the job pretty well

considering you can just peek, lock on your BB, and hide in safety

[granite lance]

ie start sliding and then do the action during the slide?

I ADS while sliding all the time if it's the same

for me most part that's what I did when I only used BB

[mellow ibex]

Anyone have tips for getting the Going Out With A Bang Penance?

[spare niche]

which one fellow psykers

[pine nova]

rate my staff roll

[tight saddle]

you can slide during, after, or before any of them.

[pine nova]

right because of deflector

[analog juniper]

the one with deflector

[tight saddle]

you can use your staff and BB while surrounded by hordes, elites, and specials if you can slide well

[granite lance]

at the same time?

I slide all the time, especially with psyker

[pine nova]

dodge+slide gives you more iframes

[granite lance]

the fast stamina recharge is so nice

[spare niche]

i dont strafe

i slide

[granite lance]

or well low stamina recharge delay I gues

[spare niche]

so i always dodging

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-duck-dip-dive-feelings-gif-15411527

[tranquil badge]

You actually get i frames?

I e just been sliding for fun

[analog juniper]

no

[granite lance]

slide gives iframes against ranged attacks only, no?

[analog juniper]

yes, but it isnt real iframes

[near wyvern]

How ranged works in the game is:

They will hit you. There is no chance to miss, they have perfect accuracy as long as you are in LOS.

HOWEVER. When you execute a dodge/slide, they will miss every shot for like 1-2 seconds.

[mystic dirge]

interesting

[near wyvern]

No matter the range, so you can dodge slide in like 10m from them and they will miss

[granite lance]

well that really isn't all that different from "iframes against ranged attacks", no?

[bright acorn]

What is the best melee for staff psyker ?

is lighening staff the best ?

[granite lance]

and it makes more sense than enemies missing a sliding ogryn from 1m distance xd

[ripe coyote]

IMO i frames prvent the enemy attack to collide with your hitbox... dodge set the enemy hit chance to 0

[granite lance]

that's kinda semantics tho

of course you're correct

[tranquil badge]

Probably surge for melee psyker

[granite lance]

but like, it's effectively the same thing

unless there's an enemy in the game with 100% accuracy regardless of playerstate

[bright acorn]

what about melee weapon ?

[boreal crystal]

combat axe 5

what was the question?

[granite lance]

Personally I really enjoy the duelling swords

[bright acorn]

best staff and melee

[pure rapids]

absolutely antax axe for melee

especially if you're using surge

[granite lance]

prolly my favourite melee weapon next to shovels

[mystic dirge]

Trauma - Dont bother
Void - Horde Clear some elite stagger (Pierces targets )
Purge - AoE ideally just melt
Surge - CC ( not for damage - ideally support your team mates by stunning mobs x 6 at a time )

[tranquil badge]

Personally i really like the axe with convert to peril talent but fs with deflector is good to

[pure rapids]

axe/duelling sword with peril block = infinite block basically

[ripe coyote]

Well if you dodge the hitscan weapon the dodged attack vanishes to the warb but if you iframed a melee attack there is a probability to collide with the ally hitbox next to you.. i guess ?

[lucid flower]

Hi psykers, I here to learn, may i stay?

[tranquil fiber]

I feel gaslit

[pure rapids]

of course sibling

[lucid flower]

:)

I wont touch rations, promise

boss' was concerned that i would

[leaden needle]

its sad trauma is fun but literally gives 100% peril after 2 max power ones

[tranquil fiber]

[mystic dirge]

You gave what I thought was a great overview

[tranquil badge]

Can you get the blessing on trauma that lowers peril on weak shot like void?

[lucid flower]

Im surprised that psyker chat, out the rest of the chats is relatively calmer

[granite lance]

Well I'll give purge a try in a real mission now. wish me luck :)

[mystic dirge]

Each staff plays a different role

[leaden needle]

i wouldnt think so since you cant hit heads with the trauma staff

[granite lance]

Oh right, how do you guys deal with the boss fight in assasination missions?

[lucid flower]

Also, the funny books you make me hold say very funny things to me

[pine nova]

pray there's a zealot who can do things to the boss

[granite lance]

just let the other classes deal damage to the boss and instead clear trash?

[lucid flower]

something about raisin cookies instead of choco chip ones

[pure rapids]

use the BB feat that grants 15% dmg to non-warp attacks, BB the boss to start off

[primal aurora]

I mind control my teammates into killing bosses.

[tranquil fiber]

The main Purge build is all about building 6 stacks then using your ult to melt the targets with soul flame - you need to be level 30 for that build.

[pure rapids]

then just melee him to death

use purg to deal with hordes that spawn

[lucid flower]

i leave now, bye bye scary friends :)

[pure rapids]

ez 👏

[ebon jolt]

This didn't come out too poorly:

[pure rapids]

oo that's nice

with the perk replacement coming out soon

that'll be quite good

if not perfect

[severe dove]

I have only gotten revolvers as my emperor's gifts

[pure rapids]

you and me sibling

[ebon jolt]

Yeah. One perk per item makes it a bit harder to get a great curio but it's better than none.

[severe dove]

Gun Psyker isn't real it can't hurt you

[bright acorn]

in v2 , beam staff was my favourite , shame there is not such thing here. Was a sniper, beam , and a shotgun

[primal aurora]

Emperor is sure that revolvers are perfect tutorial weapon.

[pure rapids]

I would sooner become an Ogryn and throw guns as projectiles than to be a gun Psyker

[mystic dirge]

lol

[severe dove]

I would main ogryn if i could throw guns as projectiles

[ebon jolt]

I want a peril based gun with warp bullets.

[primal aurora]

Darktide perfect warrior is an Ogryn with Eviscerator wielding Zealot tied to his right hand, Kinetik shielded Psyker tied to Ogryn's left hand and Bolter gunning Vet-turret on Ogryn shoulder.

[paper trail]

so if you are exploding when you die, and you get ressed you explode immediately when you res? lol

[analog juniper]

ogryn charges off a cliff

GG

[pure rapids]

[severe dove]

Idk manage your peril better

[paper trail]

I was doing the pennace you cheeky bastard

or well, trying too.....

[severe dove]

I AM a cheeky bastard

Thank you ❤️

[pallid thorn]

Yesterday I had a friend who was exploding and got downed, then the explosion triggered while he was downed and killed him off

[paper trail]

lol so its quite buggy then if you get downed exploding

[severe dove]

I still haven't bothered to do that penance

As i don't like how you need to play psyker poorly to even attempt the penance

[pallid thorn]

The psyker penances are noticeably more disruptive imo, compared to like -- zealot and veteran

because like -- pushing enemies off ledges? blowing yourself up? killing a boss without your team helping?

that's all stuff you shouldn't be doing

[supple skiff]

lore accurate driving the ire for psykers

[lucid mortar]

Maybe they expect us to run wounds and kamikaze

[severe dove]

You should run wounds as psyker anyways to be fair

[supple skiff]

pushing enemies off ledges, if more reliable, wouldn't be a bad thing imo

just sucks the telekinetic class sucks so much ass at heretic yeeting

[pallid thorn]

Yeah the F ability needs to have like 200% more push

[long wharf]

it should push harder and farther based on warp charges

[proud rain]

Which level is the easiest for getting Cliffhanger anyway?

[pallid thorn]

There's that Chasm Terminus assassination mission that has a bridge and usually a horde right at the start

[supple skiff]

foundry is one of them I think

[primal aurora]

It should have "kamehamehamehamehaAAAAAAAA..." voiceline

[supple skiff]

I got that the cliff one randomly left clicking my axe at chaff climbing up to me

[lucid mortar]

there's the espionage one where there's like the four walkways attached to the center pillar where you're using the interrogator. Easy to push hordes off the walkway there

[supple skiff]

not even push blocking

[idle bay]

I was leveling-up 3rd operative and noticed that there is a probably a servitor walking in Hagar scene.

[boreal crystal]

jesus fucking christ i crashed with a grim at the last part of this mission where i need secondary

[river crest]

it pushes harder and further based on peril, I believe

[supple skiff]

spamming void rmb is better crowd control imo anyways

feels a lot weaker than the other ults, except maybe ogryn but that one knocks folks down for a hot minute

[echo parrot]

I need more

[supple skiff]

I'd rather have something like an empowered BB that does triple damage to delete a crusher or something

[paper trail]

This friggin espionage map

[floral palm]

I still think brainburst should constantly do damage that ramps up the longer you hold it on a target. Would make it so you dont waste it when someone kills the thing you're popping while also allowing you to commit to killing the bigger enemies on higher difficulties

[granite lance]

so many knives yet none of them above base 350 i recon

[supple skiff]

really like this idea, would make that level 30 talent for faster BB pretty solid

[boreal crystal]

are there any perks or blessings worth caring about on lightning staffs? everything seems to not really matter, aside from maybe +damage against elites in general or a specific elite type

[tranquil badge]

The blessing that causes fear on close range kill is good i think

But i don’t run the surge staff so not sure

[boreal crystal]

isn't it just suppression? why do I care about suppressing melee enemies

[tranquil badge]

It’s good when a gun team rounds a corner close to you

But it is just suppression you right

[boreal crystal]

hmm

[tranquil badge]

So really only good in that situation

[boreal crystal]

yeah I wuold already be sliding with my axe out lol not aiming to shoot a face

[tranquil badge]

Might be better to take the blessing that has lower peril gen on chained secondary attacks

Cause from what I’ve seen on damnation and heresy surge staff users spam that shit hard

[boreal crystal]

I just got this one on the left and i almost want to stay with the existing one. Though this does have warp flurry like you just said

I guess I could be liek "yay crits" but I'm not using this for damage so much

[paper trail]

one of the left

[tranquil badge]

With run and gun is that secondary and primary or just primary fire?

[tropic halo]

you're gonna need more hands to stab with all those knives

[boreal crystal]

also what does Warp Nexus even mean?

[paper trail]

the one on the right has nothing better about it than the one on the left imo

[pure rapids]

only primary

[tranquil badge]

Honestly not sure with warpnexus not sure if each stack is 2% or total 2 if it’s total 2% that’s not good

[granite lance]

Yeah I was wondering the same

When do you gain stacks in the first place?

every x% of peril?

[paper trail]

when you gain peril

[tranquil badge]

If it stacks 5 times for 10% that’s better but iirc surge isn’t great for dmg

[supple skiff]

I was today years old when I found out the quelling speed refered to how fast you move while quelling and not how fast you manually quel

[paper trail]

its ok against armoured mobs

[boreal crystal]

so is each stack itself between 0% and 2% based on how much peril you had when you got the stack or something?

[boreal crystal]

jfc really?

[tranquil badge]

I was also today years old

[daring trench]

Thank you psykers who stun every enemy with fire or lightning for a billion years the instant they spawn for the entire mission. Very cool and nice.

[lethal plover]

Kek

[tropic halo]

what a coincidence i was also born today

[supple skiff]

disclaimer, this is from a youtube vid and I have not tested it yet, but the rest of what they said checked out so

[lethal plover]

Weapon inspection

Just read it

[boreal crystal]

whoa, 2 weapons with same damage % and hugely different damage, does it take "first target" into account for the white damage total?!

[paper trail]

Youtube will increase the speed at which your brain rots

[daring trench]

(yes it do)

and pen i think as well

[lethal plover]

First target is very important

[boreal crystal]

hurgh

[lethal plover]

Inspect weapon

[boreal crystal]

yeah for sure, I prioritize it, I was just surprised it was factored into the total damage there

[lethal plover]

Read what stats do

[boreal crystal]

you're not getting my point lol

[tranquil badge]

Who needs reading when you can just take the bigger number

That’s my strat

[boreal crystal]

In every game I can think of, the "base" weapon of the damage would be listed (only a function of damage% stat), and the first target would receive more damage, and subsequent targets would receive the listed damage. Here it's the opposite: subsequent targets take less damage than listed

haha, a currently perfect force sword has a dodge distance penalty because 80% is -0.5 on the -12.50 ... 2.50 scale

[ornate hamlet]

hello, any tips for pick n mix?

[obsidian lichen]

Premade group, Damnation assassination at Chasm Station.

[ornate hamlet]

been trying on damnation lobbies but almost every elite and special takes two hits of BB to kill

[obsidian lichen]

The very first area, bully some specials and elites etc. into a narrow enough window, wear them down.

[ornate hamlet]

also using kinetic barrage so ya

[obsidian lichen]

Then BB one, barrage and BB the rest.

[ornate hamlet]

o

[jaunty vigil]

Dis good?

[ornate hamlet]

right, will see what I can do

[obsidian lichen]

You will need a premade group though.

[ornate hamlet]

any weapons specifically to wear said enemies down?

[obsidian lichen]

BB.

[ornate hamlet]

will see how

[boreal crystal]

are you sure actually? the tooltip seems to disagere

I guess it could be seen as ambiguous

[ornate hamlet]

might just yolo and try to solo first for pick n mix

[tranquil badge]

I got it on increased intensity heresy in the excise vault mission

[ornate hamlet]

worst comes to shove I will just get a premade yeah

[tranquil badge]

Just tell the team to leave the ragers for you and if you get an ogryn ask him to pull them

[supple skiff]

it looks like its actually both

well thats the claim

haven't tested

[bitter abyss]

so worth it.

[ornate hamlet]

literally cannot find any ogryns

ogryns in asia is like

finding a needle in a haystack

they are nonexistent for whatever reason

[tranquil badge]

God that sucks, i feel pretty lucky with getting ogryns in pug groups

[ornate hamlet]

the only time they appear is when I play ogryn

[scarlet geyser]

Force swords suck?

[ornate hamlet]

guess ogryns attract other ogryns

[tranquil badge]

Another psyker could tank for you in an ogryns place with the peril talent

[ornate hamlet]

force sword is ok for me

but that is when i get warp charges for the damage boost

[boreal crystal]

I miraculously finished my last instance of the cancer weekly where I have to do secondaries, and on this last one I had a 3 ogryn grimoire escort 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

lucky you

[boreal crystal]

Ogryn best book friends

[ornate hamlet]

ogryns are literally rare as hell

never seen a 2+ ogryn lobby

nor ogryns that run shields

ultra rare....

[subtle monolith]

best 20 level feat?
for psyker

[tranquil badge]

Once upon a time i had three ogryns on my team

I felt so safe

[long wharf]

peril on block

[scarlet geyser]

played as psyker with 3 ogryns

[river crest]

kinetic deflection

[boreal crystal]

Deflection might sound bad or like it would overheat you but it is ridiculously OP, you take almost no heat and you’re burning it off continuously due to having your melee out

[river crest]

and if you also have quietude, building up peril is a source of toughness too

[lethal plover]

cleared damn with 2 ogryns and 2 psykers today
apparently the rumbler of the ogryn (grenade launcher) is enough to wreck walls of crushers / armors
then the heavy stubber is enough to suppress the gunmen

[olive ember]

it doesn't even overheat if you look closely because it stops once you hit critical peril

[boreal crystal]

Yeah I know but I would also not want to go close to overheating right, but even that is not a problem

[supple skiff]

watch them nerf it by taking out that failsafe and letting you block till you explode

[boreal crystal]

I have a gap in understanding though, some attacks I block but still take massive damage, like if I foolishly block a scab chain axe guys huge wind up, even with lots of stamina and peril I don’t run out of either but go to half hp directly

[supple skiff]

might be bugged like sniper shots with deflector

[open estuary]

fatshark netcode

[boreal crystal]

Do you just have to “know” that some attacks pierce everything?

[supple skiff]

or an intended block breaker whose to say

[boreal crystal]

Yeah

[open estuary]

overheads you never block though

[boreal crystal]

Plague ogryn stomp appears to be an unblocksble AOE

[supple skiff]

if its the latter you'd think there would be an animation where you drop your guard or something

[river crest]

overheads go through blocks

dodge 'em

[boreal crystal]

Is that a general rule I missed somewhere or the pattern we have noticed?

[river crest]

it's never stated anywhere, this game doesn't really excel in the documentation department

[boreal crystal]

Either way good rule of thumb to know, thanks

[long wharf]

more specifically they go over your block

[river crest]

interesting

[long wharf]

your block only works for a cone ahead of you

[lethal plover]

blocking is 360

[long wharf]

when reviving someone, yes

[patent hatch]

no its 360

[open estuary]

in general

[patent hatch]

It always is

[lethal plover]

always 360

[lethal plover]

no
you just don't have enough stamina to block it

even peril block barely survives it

[river crest]

I use kinetic deflection. But if having more stamina can let you block an overhead, that'd be interesting

and yeah block is 360 but everything outside of the front cone does more stamina 'damage'

[olive ember]

I think the best I've gotten is with 0% peril an overhead will go through my peril, my stamina, and my toughness, and stagger me, but leave my health untouched

[boreal crystal]

wait what? block is 360?

[river crest]

yes

[boreal crystal]

I guess I never noticed because I never hold block for long, I'm shoving and cleaving

[lethal plover]

It's what allows peril axe to be completely safe

[boreal crystal]

BTW, what is the strategy to fight a dreg rager with combat axe V? I am not getting when it's safe to hit him (i.e. when he is staggerable)

I can block forever but I can't seem to stagger him during his entire sequence, is that correct?

[lethal plover]

Push attack

He's always staggered

[boreal crystal]

Can I stagger him out of his sequence if I didn't push him initially?

[bleak sonnet]

shoot him before he gets close

:3

[lethal plover]

Yeah you stagger him

[boreal crystal]

Does the push actually stagger him? Does the push itself interrupt the sequence?

[heavy zealot]

yeah block is 360

[boreal crystal]

I noticed the alt attack (dagger stab) doesn't interrupt the sequence for sure

[olive ember]

the push attack staggers ragers

[pure rapids]

the antax axe push attack staggers ragers

[boreal crystal]

the follow up attack specifically?

not the push itself?

[lethal plover]

That's the push attack

That's why we don't say just push

[boreal crystal]

yeah jsut being super clear in case I am missing something

[heavy zealot]

what if you did just say push, and were wrong

[boreal crystal]

also did anyone ever get to the bottom of what brutal momentum does? I certainly see my axe get stuck on enemies even after having just chopped something's head off

is there still a cleave cap anyway despite the lack of mass?

[lethal plover]

Flak armor I'm guessing

[boreal crystal]

like I would expect to perfectly infinite push attack cleave through a huge horde but that doesn't seem to happen I think

[vocal iron]

do people prefer to stack hp or tough on curios or neither

[boreal crystal]

I'm currently using +1 wound and then two toughness curios

[vocal iron]

thats what im running now

[heavy zealot]

doesn’t heresy+ remove wounds

[vocal iron]

removes 1

[boreal crystal]

it removes one, so I'm countering that

[loud fog]

anyone have recommended feats for the surge staff?

[boreal crystal]

having only 2 wounds on heresy means I'm a lot more fragile, so I go with 4 base (3 in heresy+)

[little compass]

Which one is better?

[boreal sun]

real talk psyker gang

why do i get more stamina when holding my staff

no extra stamina on it

when I hold my sword, I have less stamina bars

[boreal crystal]

the great psyker question

[pure rapids]

base hidden stamina?

[boreal sun]

unless higher difficulties remove stamina

[pure rapids]

wouldn't surprise me if weapons have base hidden stamina

[boreal sun]

because I have 6+ extra stamina

baby difficulty

staff

[pure rapids]

probably a bug then

might wanna report it on their forums

[boreal sun]

i wonder

[pure rapids]

is it the same with other melee weapons?

or just the FS?

[boreal sun]

going to try on damnation

then swap weapons

same stamina on damnation

less stamina on the axe

[bleak sonnet]

tax axe

Ew

[trail tapir]

ranged weapons get more stamina by default

[pure rapids]

yeap it's a bug

[boreal crystal]

the other combat axe (non mark V) attacks really slow and stuff right?

[pure rapids]

and also

and apparently dodging stopping stamina regen is a bug?

[bleak sonnet]

so many bugs man

what shit game

[boreal crystal]

worst ever

[bleak sonnet]

i quit

[boreal sun]

sigh

another theory is that certain weapons have a "max" stamina limit

[long wharf]

that doesn't even make sense

[boreal sun]

it doesn't

force sword is the only weapon to actually gain extra stamina

the other ones are stuck at 4

[long wharf]

weapons add to your stamina bars

inspect that knife

[boreal sun]

ah

+1

interesting that force sword has unlimited dodges

[long wharf]

yep, I haven't heard of any other weapon having unlimited dodges

[normal hawk]

what's the safe number for venting to on staffs? 94%? feel like 95% causes you to explode

[boreal sun]

really depends on the staff

flame staff is the safest staff to push peril

lightning is pretty safe as well

[normal hawk]

is there a quick list?

[boreal sun]

trauma is not safe at all

[long wharf]

lightning up to 90 is what I do

[tranquil badge]

97 for sure explodes

Think I’ve gotten away with 96 for bb

[plucky token]

Well, if you're using the Surge Staff then you are playing support, so any feats that let taze more are no brainers. I would go Quietude, Inner Tranq, Psychic Communion, Kinetic Shield OR Mind in Motion, Warp Battery, Kinetic Barrage

[long wharf]

don't bother with Mind in Motion

for surge, I go bottom-middle-top-top-bottom-bottom

[boreal sun]

you can fully use purge staff at 99% peril

[hollow saffron]

hey psychos, what staff gives you the lightening ability and what level do you unlock it?

[plucky token]

Surge Staff

[long wharf]

I love your discord name

[tranquil badge]

Surge and pre fifteen iirc it’s your second staff

[long wharf]

I'm going to use that next time I eat too much

[hollow saffron]

lol thanks

[boreal sun]

purge staff can be fully used at 99% with a full right click charge

no blow up

as in, your right click is charged up at 99%

[hollow saffron]

i got it from an anthony bourdain episode when he ate something gnarly

[long wharf]

you have to try really hard to pop yourself with the purge staff

[tranquil badge]

Rip Anthony bourdain loved his show

[hollow saffron]

yeah

[plucky token]

Oh yeah, I forgot he killed himself, Riperino

[boreal sun]

a fully charged trauma staff can be used at 99% charge with no blow up

fully charged void staff can be used at 99% charge with no blow up

literally as long as you use it at 99% and release before 100%

you are fine

[plucky token]

you can spam brian burst if you vent to 89% before each pop.

[long wharf]

96

you can quell down to 96 and safely do it again

[plucky token]

I swear I did it above 90 and and I blew up

[toxic temple]

anyone got a good feat build for heresy?

[plucky token]

lemme check

[boreal sun]

started charging at 97%

no blow up

[river crest]

I personally go Quietude (since you're generating and quelling lots of Peril), Inner Tranquility (so you can spam more when having warp charges), Psychic Communion (to support IT), Kinetic Deflection or Kinetic Shield, Kinetic Flayer (to support IT), and Kinetic Barrage (for when you need to swap to BB to help clear carapace/ranged).

Psykinetic's Wrath and Quicken or Ascendant Blaze can work if you want to burn your warp charges instead of keeping them. Psykinetic's Aura or Cerebral Lacerations are also good for more party support instead of Psychic Communion.

[boreal sun]

you CANNOT use right click charge for brainburst at 97%

you will blow up

[tranquil badge]

Right click charge is almost always more hurtful than helpful

At least for me