psyker-class

[fresh reef]

After some testing, I've made some discoveries

[errant stream]

tbh i don't expect much from Fatshark

[candid mesa]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FragileGenerousKoupreyKevinTurtle-tar0xUplAaXCWAvA Voidstrike besto in Damnation.

[fresh reef]

FS is generally worse for melee tanking, due to passive quell speed compared to normal melee weapons

[wicked grove]

Bruh...my darktide client crashed...in the trailer epilogue.

Not even main menu

I've restarted.

[fresh reef]

that being said, Deflector is extremely valuable for repositioning

[wicked grove]

3 times.

Blue screened once.

Wtaf.

[errant stream]

Shade on V2 has still a game breaking bug that doesn't allow you to use one of her lvl 30 feats with sword and dagger, her best weapon

[fresh reef]

especially if you use conflag trauma staff

[errant stream]

they didn't fix it, and this bug is here since 8 months ago or something

[wicked grove]

Trauma staff is just a worse version of Firestorm staff.

[fresh reef]

I like it more than purgatas

[ruby merlin]

@errant stream It works, you just need to use h2

[fresh reef]

simple as

[wicked grove]

The purge staff is fun with ascendant blaze builds

[sacred lodge]

Ok, taking the peril as stamina trait… I think I’ve actually saved runs holding block and getting people up

[errant stream]

so on heavy 1 the ult doesn't reset but on h2 yes?

[ruby merlin]

Yep

[errant stream]

HOW THE FUCK

[ruby merlin]

But that's not the good perk anyway

@errant stream h1 counts as double hits in the code

Just use shimmer strike, delete patrols etc

It's the better perk anyway

[wicked grove]

._.

[errant stream]

yes but if i want to play it.. i have the right to do it...

[ruby merlin]

I mean this is the sort of bug that adds skill, so I kinda like it

If you remember BXR in halo 2, it's the same thing

Bug that increases skill

[wicked grove]

._.

This bitch is making me file verification.

Bro...I just wanna play fucking darktide.

[errant stream]

for me this has no sense but if you have fun with it

[wicked grove]

I shouldn't be going through file verification, 3 forms of resetting.

2 restarts.

A bluescreen

[errant stream]

finding a workaround is not a demonstration of skill

[ruby merlin]

@errant stream Basically you can still take advantage of the perk, just means you need to h1 first, start h2, ulti, then land the hit.

It is skill based

because it's harder to do

In halo 2, there is a button combo. On a fresh gun, if you melee, reload, then fire in that sequence

it performs an instant kill if you aim at the head

[errant stream]

man you just hold m1 and hit the air to allow your m2 to do what the m1 was supposed to do, there isn't much more skill

[ruby merlin]

because melee removes shields, reload animation cancels, and fire hits the head

[wicked grove]

Is the peril as stamina trait any good? Does it max out after 100?

I've never used it

[ruby merlin]

@errant stream It takes a bit more, so technically more skill than just hitting m1

also hitting the air while in horde can be harder

[errant stream]

in invisibility not

you have no collision too

[ruby merlin]

Also push attack h2 is the general combo

most of the better players who do use that perk actually only use the ulti just before h2 activates.

Because you guarantee the hit goes well.

The miss tactic is not ideal

[errant stream]

gotcha

[lethal plover]

best feat in the game

[ruby merlin]

Also best axe 😛

That's the zealots best weapon too I think, best weapon for a lot of classes.

[wicked grove]

Zealots best weapon rn is Knife

[sinful stream]

Just feels kinda cheesy/boring

[wicked grove]

Knife with lacerate and crit

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove debatable, lots of dead knife zealots out there 😛

[lethal plover]

it's boring so that you can focus on the real threats

[ruby merlin]

because they zoom ahead and die to a trapper lol

[wicked grove]

They just weren't zooming enough

[wicked grove]

Ez dodge

Also why weren't you taking Perils.

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover yep, makes multitasking so much easier 😄

He was pushing most of the time

so all the horde was stunned

and axe cleaves

more stagger etc

Peril is there so that with zero stam if a hit goes through, you do not get staggered.

[wicked grove]

You didn't have any stamina.

[ruby merlin]

You don't need stamina

with peril block

that's the point

you can spam all your stam on pushes, and you're 100% safe

[wicked grove]

That's prob gonna get patched

[lethal plover]

it's what the feat describes, not a bug

[wind locust]

Are the catachan swords a good cleave weapon for psyker?

[lethal plover]

use peril instead of stamina

[ruby merlin]

Eh, powersword vets exist, if you want to do more dps.

Just give us harder difficulties

[tight saddle]

Kinetic Deflection needs a nerf imo if we want other parts of our kit buffed.

[lethal plover]

power sword got nothing on peril axe

[ruby merlin]

I'm fine with bb being just an anti sniper thing.

[cyan notch]

fix the game first before any harder difficulties

[wicked grove]

There is no reason why you're pushing without perils.

[ruby merlin]

The game is fine for me.

[lethal plover]

pushing isn't blocking

[uneven echo]

Anyone doing Mallus Monstronum ?

[lethal plover]

kinetic deflection is only for blocking

[wind locust]

Slinging, want to trade runs?

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover Peril axe is more tanky, powersword does more dps 😛

Plus you do need a vet to clear out ranged trash, the true threat on damnation

[lethal plover]

the amount of DPS you do when you're dead is zero

[wicked grove]

Honestly...I thought that's how kinetic deflection worked.

When you ran out of stamina. You take perils for blocking, and pushing.

[lethal plover]

[ruby merlin]

Hard to die as a vet when you can infinite cleave and have more toughness to tank ranged.

The true threat 😛

[lethal plover]

peril first then stamina for blocking. read the feat

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove That's 100% wrong, you just block with peril, that's the whole point lol

peril is for blocking, stam can be used for only pushing etc.

[wicked grove]

That's fuckin busted.

[ruby merlin]

And every class can do that with the axe btw

I do it on my zealot

as long as you don't take a hit

you will not be staggered

The axe is just super good

[cyan notch]

they should remove the push stagger on axe

[tight saddle]

Psyker just makes it extra braindead easy

[cyan notch]

then lets see how effective it is

[grave bobcat]

Yeee

[ruby merlin]

Push has to stagger, that's the point of the push.

[wicked grove]

Pushing in vt2 took stam.

[ruby merlin]

The sword kinda works too.

Yes, every class can push on zero stam atm.

[lethal plover]

problem I found is that PS doesn't have good block or mobility
the places where this becomes most apparent are in those investigation / desert cell arenas, where there is no backline
I noticed that even the good vet I played with, gets chipped eventually, while peril axe lives on

[wicked grove]

That's why I try to avoid not pushing.

[grave bobcat]

Axe just feels painfully slow

So I'd rather use something else

[wicked grove]

Rather dodge and move

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover well that's kinda the roles though, tank vs DPS. If you combine the two, axe guy staggers, power sword guy wipes them.

[grave bobcat]

Movement, to how fast it kills, dodge distance etc

[ruby merlin]

And vet has better tools to deal with massed ranged mobs, while psyker survives better in massed melee. It's a good trade.

Seems balanced to me

[grave bobcat]

Ugh

[cyan notch]

push attack definitely busted needs a nerf

[wicked grove]

Idk I'll stick with my FS.

[ruby merlin]

Give us harder diffs before nerfs.

[grave bobcat]

Same or dagger if I feel like having zoomies

[wicked grove]

It makes me feel happier.

[cyan notch]

i can deal with peril block and infinite cleave but ez mode stagger on top of that just brain off afk spamming one move

[wicked grove]

Fix game first. Then make game harder.

[ruby merlin]

FS is trash atm because it's low on passive quell, that's it.

[paper trail]

Honestly I feel like the Atrox MK II is under rated its quite a nice axe imo

[ruby merlin]

If it was better at passive quelling it would be a pretty good tank option.

[tight saddle]

I use FS because it thematically makes me happy, but I prefer combat knife or dueling sword if I really want to have fun

[grave bobcat]

And I'd rather take the extra risk for the ability to just... do everything faster lol

[ruby merlin]

Yeah dueling swords are pretty fun!

[wicked grove]

I love my lacerate dagger

[cyan notch]

fs definitely not trash

[grave bobcat]

I'm still trying to get good dagger

[lethal plover]

force sword quelling is quack. it makes you unable to tank daemonhost as easily as the axe

[grave bobcat]

Shop is scam

[ruby merlin]

It's trash compared to other options. I would rather take any other melee weapon over the force sword atm, just for the passive quell.

Unless you want to be a revive bot I guess

then fs is good

[cyan notch]

nah trash is bottom tier

[wicked grove]

Tbh I play more support as Psyker.

[lethal plover]

yeah, reviving someone in the middle of gunfire is the biggest upside of FS

[cyan notch]

fs is pretty good

[wicked grove]

So

[grave bobcat]

Why are you tanking the host? 🥲

[ruby merlin]

Well psyker plays really well as a tank carry, which is a fun role.

[grave bobcat]

"It's better in this scenario that shouldn't be occurring on a normal run"

??

[lethal plover]

life throws you a mutant that throws the zealot into the host

[grave bobcat]

"In this incredibly specific scenario"

[ruby merlin]

@grave bobcat It's better at hard tanking multiple specials, the whole melee horde, etc etc.

[cyan notch]

almost like its op

[lethal plover]

I have clips of that yes

[ruby merlin]

Plus it's good if you need to isolate a boss while your teammates kill the horde.

[cyan notch]

almost like its the weapon carrying instead of the player

[grave bobcat]

Don't doubt it ofc

[ruby merlin]

@cyan notch You could just dodge it all with the zealot too, not that hard either.

[lethal plover]

vet players feeling attacked rn

[ruby merlin]

Game is much easier than vt2 atm

[cyan notch]

its easier cuz ranged options are super strong

[grave bobcat]

But I prefer the extra risk involved with being able to do literally everything faster

[ruby merlin]

toughness granting free anti chip damage etc.

[cyan notch]

u cant spam ranged in vt2

[lethal plover]

only easier in groups
solo is 10 times harder

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover Yeah for sure, ranged mob trash

[lethal plover]

and only easy if someone brings a lasgun

[ruby merlin]

worst thing for soloers

So yeah, if they nerf the axe, let's nerf the lasgun 😛

I'll bring a dueling sword probably

[cyan notch]

good they should do that

[ruby merlin]

Make the lasgun the flashlight vs elites

But people will hate it so much

[lethal plover]

like, what the hell do you do when a line of bulwarks and crushers with dreg gunmen from behind rush at you ?

[ruby merlin]

because most people cannot play psyker already lol

[cyan notch]

doubt

[pastel carbon]

Anyone know if pick n' mix penance is bugged atm? has anyone completed it since they changed it to 12 seconds?

[cyan notch]

plenty of people can play fine

[ruby merlin]

Most people can't

just look at the general pop

not the discord people

[cyan notch]

nah thats hyperbole

[lethal plover]

most people don't even know about peril block

[ruby merlin]

So many level 30s can't even do malice properly lol

[lethal plover]

when they try to revive and get interrupted I hard face palm

[wicked grove]

I've had level 26 vets never use ult.

[tight saddle]

most Psykers don't even slide cast/quench lol

only us sweats do

[ruby merlin]

Most people don't even push, dodge or block. They just spam ranged.

[wicked grove]

I've had level 20 ogryns not carry batterys.

[cyan notch]

cuz ranged is op tbh

[wicked grove]

I've had legit lobbies where I do all the fucking work.

[frail shuttle]

😎

[lethal plover]

I will believe knowledge on how to play psyker is mainstream
when Indypride or chocob or j_sat talks about peril axe

[cyan notch]

ammo everywhere ranged can deal with everything

[wicked grove]

Like.

This game is really new.

And not everybody plays on discord

[frail shuttle]

It'll all change

[wicked grove]

They get on their console and have fun with the buds.

[ruby merlin]

yeah the lasgun is honestly the strongest weapon. Kills ranged trash, kills elites, can be immune to all ranged damage(!!!) on headshot.

[fast scarab]

t3 psy helmet is so ugly 🙂

[ruby merlin]

Axe got nothing on the lasgun on vet.

[wicked grove]

I still want it.

[pastel carbon]

very good very good :3

[ruby merlin]

It's just fun to tank though

and of course axe is better if you are soloing

but still super hard to get it done due to all the ranged trash on damnation.

[wicked grove]

I'll just play with my fs.

I don't need to be meta

XD

[ruby merlin]

I mean you're just going for fashion, almost every psyker has a force sword lol

just for the drip

[lethal plover]

It is weak against bulwarks and crushers. Bulwarks most especially
which is where you need boltgun or psyker

overall the best but bulwarks and crushers are there

[fast scarab]

I dont care what weapon I use as long as it rolls well

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover Fair enough, but you could always melee them with a power sword 😛

[wicked grove]

._.

[ruby merlin]

or the antax axe because vets can use those too

[wicked grove]

Corrupted disc?

Sadge.

[lethal plover]

crushers are 50/50 chance
bulwarks, well, you're kinda screwed

[wicked grove]

My day is fuckin ruined...

I jus wanted some gaming done.

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover usually if your teammates are alive you can flank them. If they're all dead, pray they animation lock into an attack and you can dodge and swing in their back lol.

[tight saddle]

don't listen to the crybabies, every weapon works fine in Damnation

[wicked grove]

All I need is a FS with Deflector.

[tight saddle]

sure some are better than others, but not to an extreme

[trail garnet]

completed the attack, attack, attack penance and it said i got a new trinket, but i legit cannot find it to save my life

[ruby merlin]

Yes, it's just clunky.

[tight saddle]

unless its power sword, fuck that weapon

[median meteor]

dodging the enemy ogryns is pretty simple ngl

[ruby merlin]

And you can't clutch that hard with it

[tight saddle]

I used it on my Vet and got mad lol

[ruby merlin]

I'd rather have the starter sword than a power sword tbh

[lethal plover]

flanking bulwarks is very possible when they are alone. well.... when surrounded by ragers and the horde
solo-ing this game is something probably only psykers can, but even then mad skill

[median meteor]

*I say as an esperienced dodge spammer

[ruby merlin]

it's much stronger, and parrying is nice

[wicked grove]

Power sword needs to be tuned. Like...it's obviously better than every other weapon vet has.

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover Yeah for sure, can't wait to see someone like J_sat do a true solo, it'd be insane.

[tight saddle]

god true solo runs are going to be insane to watch in this game

[ruby merlin]

Also I want a dark eldar wych so I can go back to being a shade main lol.

[wicked grove]

I want a Adeptus Mechanicus operatice

[tight saddle]

I just want a Bretonnian Longsword in this game

[hot yew]

just got this

[tight saddle]

that's my wish

[hot yew]

522 😐

[ruby merlin]

Xenos would have hilarious voice lines interacting with the default squad IMO.

[wicked grove]

Either skitarii or rust stalker

[ruby merlin]

Especially if we can have an ork merc, dark eldar wych, some tech priest, and a zealot all talking to each other.

[wicked grove]

I want some of them radium weapons

We're in Ordo Hereticus.

We won't see any xenos.

[ruby merlin]

I mean it's not a hard set rule

nobody is focused

You just wing it most of the time, Ordo Hereticus just means this inquisitor is more used to chaos.

40k lore is designed so that anything could happen.

You can easily handwave it away as 'unorthodox tactics, but it's whatever if the inquisitor says so'.

[wicked grove]

I'd rather we sit and play with imperium only stuff. No need to have xenos.

Ratling sniper, adeptus mechanicus, assassin (one of the generics), etc.

Commissar.

[ruby merlin]

Only imperium stuff would be zzz to me.

[wicked grove]

Doubt we'd see a farseer. The Rangers wouldn't really care

[ruby merlin]

Dialogue would be too generic. The best part is when your team already doesn't mesh.

[wicked grove]

You don't read much 40k...do you....

[ruby merlin]

There are dark eldar thrillseekers all the time, Blood Axes Orks etc

[tight saddle]

I only know Fantasy Lore and there are no Skaven in 40K so this conversation is alien

[wicked grove]

The imperium hares each other

Hate*

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Of course, but it's all more or less explored.

In every game you have all the imperium factions

and few xenos

same for books

[wicked grove]

The adeptus mechanicus hates the fucking flesh bags.

[ruby merlin]

But they work together on a regular basis anyway

it's 'normal'

But we do know from lore sometimes we get sanctioned xenos, which is super rare, but imagine the shock from the zealot lol.

Not to mention the whole Guiliman thing makes eldar a very real possibility

[wicked grove]

I hate the fact we got the fucking boy scout wonder.

He is the worst written primarch.

He wins all his battles.

He never gets scarred.

He never loses.

[ruby merlin]

Plenty of ex succubuses in Yvraine's group atm. I want my shade.

[hollow wyvern]

This. This right damn here.

[ruby merlin]

@hollow wyvern Exactly, I don't care about the lore handwavium, just give me back my shade 😛

[wicked grove]

Why didn't we get russ, the lion, or Vulkan.

[hollow wyvern]

[ruby merlin]

And you can easily spin it and write a story for it anyway.

[wicked grove]

Literally just have an assassin class.

The imperium has them.

[ruby merlin]

Not more humans

that look the same

zzz

[wicked grove]

It's literally part of a inquisitors retinue

[ruby merlin]

Like in loading screen a vet, zealot and psyker almost look identical if they don't have helmets.

[wicked grove]

I'd rather they stick to the idea of this game being the feeling of an Only War campaign

[ruby merlin]

I'm sure a lot of people would love to see a blood axe Ork in game.

[tight saddle]

as much as I hate to say it I don't think Fatshart will make non-humans.

[wicked grove]

Orks are unruly.

They don't pair well with anything BUT orks

[ruby merlin]

Yeah probably, most of the 40k games are humans only. It gets old.

[wicked grove]

And even then they kill each other for fun.

[ruby merlin]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Axes

There's always an exception in warhammer 40k

[wicked grove]

You really think...a ship full of zealots are just gonna "allow" an ork to live...just casually...

[ruby merlin]

If the inquisitor commands it

death to those who defy him

simple

[tight saddle]

What's the closest thing to Skaven in 40K?

[ruby merlin]

or her

[wicked grove]

The closest thing is prob the dark Eldar

[ruby merlin]

Hmmm technologically advanced things that overwhelm with massed numbers, are cunning, no sense of history.

Not really dark eldar

[wicked grove]

Gameplay wise

[ruby merlin]

Those are obviously druchii

[wicked grove]

I'm looking at

"If you want to feel the idea of skaven in 40k"

The dark Eldar are the best bet.

They got monstrosities

They have finicky rules that counteract against you.

[ruby merlin]

I mean in lore it's a very long way, we're probably not talking about tabletop here 😛

[wicked grove]

They have entire plot lines where they sabotage each other.

[tight saddle]

Yeah not tabletop

[wicked grove]

The skaven don't really exist in 40k in any fashion.

[ruby merlin]

I mean that's the same for most factions

The Imperium is actually the most skaven like IMO

Backstabs each other all the time

[paper trail]

which is sad because Skaven are like one of the coolest races

[ruby merlin]

massed produced troops whose' lives don't matter

[wicked grove]

There's only like one or two factions in the imperium that actively shoots into their own troops for the gags.

[ruby merlin]

Not quite high tech, but skaven tech in fantasy kinda always explodes, which really fits the imperium.

@wicked grove I mean the entire Imperium's doctrine is based on attrition. Only resource they have in abundance is 'meat'.

That's very skaven like

[wicked grove]

The imperium depending on where you go can be high elf like

All the way down to cutthroat ragged assholes

Skaven don't have that gradience.

The entire point of skaven is literally paranoia the game.

[ruby merlin]

Space marines only number in the millions. There are trillions upon trillions. And grey seers from a skaven point of view are pretty elite.

[wicked grove]

And yet...they backstab each other for the sheer fuck of it and warpstone.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove I mean the Imperium is totally paranoid, especially if you look at all the schemes and plots between the inquisitors, the high lords, and etc.

[wicked grove]

Chaos imo is the closest to skaven

[tardy flower]

closest thing to skaven is probably tyranids

[ruby merlin]

Maybe yeah

Tyranids are really cooperative though.

[wicked grove]

Not really.

[ruby merlin]

They do compete vs each other, only to evolve etc.

And they're much more alien than the skaven.

[tight saddle]

I don't know 40K lore but I know at least that isn't a good comparison

[wicked grove]

The chaos factions are ALWAYS at war with each other.

[tardy flower]

oh by lore? probably chaos nurgle

[wicked grove]

In the Great Game you literally fight for possession over the immaterium

[tardy flower]

playstyle on the board would be nids

[ruby merlin]

Could be chaos I guess, but I'd still vote for the Imperium :P. We're secretly the skaven now lol.

No sense of history - check

[wicked grove]

By lore? Depends on the clan.

Clan Skryre would be closer to the unaligned 5th chaos god of machinery and innovation.

[tardy flower]

well nurgle infests and corrupts from within

[wicked grove]

The Clan that does beasts and the like would be closer to nurgle

[tardy flower]

they subvert hive cities from the deep and forgotten places

[wicked grove]

Queek Headtakers Clan is closer to Khorne

There is not a real "comparison" for skaven.

The closest we can summarize is chaos is the "better" fit.

They corrupt everything they touch.

[ruby merlin]

The imperium also functions very much like the skaven in that the high lords are pretty unassailable and have essentially permanent seats for the major players. Don't the skaven have a group of 12 leaders or something that function more or less like the high lords of terra?

[wicked grove]

Those 12 leaders are also easy to kill.

They plot and murder each other

So they try to amass as much as they can to not get murdered by competition

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove I think a lot of those skaven leaders have been around for a while, since they're so powerful they don't really 'lose' the game.

[wicked grove]

It's also lazy gw writing.

[ruby merlin]

Sure, but the Imperium is very very similar to the skaven in a lot of ways

[wicked grove]

Imperium is also ruled by incompetence

Not outright malice.

Most of the imperium is just failures of incompetence

The skaven outright do it for malice.

[ruby merlin]

There are plenty of malicious planetary governors who are only out to increase their own power at the expense of everyone else.

A lot of those would be pretty skaven like.

[wicked grove]

Those planetary governors are also small fries when it comes to galactic power.

[ruby merlin]

Sure, but the high lords do backstab each other all the time too.

[wicked grove]

The average planetary governor is basically the mayor of a town. They maybe get a say.

And if thousands of mayors go "hey help me!" Then you have the actual people with power going "who is more valuable"

[ruby merlin]

A lot of time it's less "who's more valuable" and it's more like "how do I increase my power and influence by taking out systems that supports my rivals".

That's what imperial propaganda generally says officially (that they're practical and doing their best to preserve the Imperium).

[wicked grove]

Not when it comes to war efforts.

The planets that provide the most for the war effort take precedence

[ruby merlin]

Depends, sometimes one faction will sacrifice an entire front to make another faction weaker and so they can take advantage and pursue their own objectives more closely.

Techpriests for example would do anything to recover another Ark Mechanicus, and they horde tech (that they know is safe) for influence, not to improve any war effort.

And it's an open secret

[wicked grove]

The search for STCs is a whole different tangent.

[manic needle]

So, uhh, does anybody know what the higher levels of Focused Channeling do on Force Staffs?

I dont see how that ability can be tiered

[wicked grove]

Explorator fleets are a whole deal for the mechanicus.

[ruby merlin]

Yeah, everyone has their own 'whole deal'

[wicked grove]

And what cawl did was heretek levels of bullshit.

[ruby merlin]

that they consider to be more important than everyone else's 'whole deal'.

[manic needle]

Oh are we shitting on Primaris Marines? Nice.

[wicked grove]

The fact the writers made him a "tolerable" heretek is bullshit.

[tardy flower]

should prob move this convo to #40k-lore-chat

[wicked grove]

You mean buy a new army 2.0

[ruby merlin]

Haha just interrupt us if you got psyker questions though.

[teal cargo]

Closest to Skaven is Imperium

[manic needle]

I did ask one just now 😢

[wicked grove]

Chaos is more apt.

[ruby merlin]

@manic needle I forgot what that perk does, which is it again?

[wicked grove]

The factions inside skaven lean more into chaos than actual imperium politics.

[manic needle]

Focused Channeling - Your Secondary Attack cannot be interrupted

[full atlas]

https://gyazo.com/aaa913c2f58aaf86a892b333d049446c
which ones better?

[tardy flower]

is that tiered?

[teal cargo]

They use cannon fodder, practice cannibalism, have 12 leaders, their deity eats them and is potentially a chaos god, very high birth rates, live in filth

[manic needle]

Yeah

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1988932521653934985/6CAEE84A65459BEEEA8C121D56EF374B5D15EE7B/

[wicked grove]

So does literally chaos.

[manic needle]

There's mine with T2

[ruby merlin]

@full atlas Depends on what you want, if you want to spam the void staff, the purple is better.

[teal cargo]

Chaos is more like Chaos

😆

[tardy flower]

is it ever not t2?

[teal cargo]

Also chaos reproduces by corrupting others

Not like Imperium/Skaven

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove That's the thing, the Imperium itself is very close to basically being another Chaos faction too. That's why the Emperor has essentially failed, and the 40k universe is one where Chaos has already won.

[small spindle]

surprised they fixed they fixed the surge staff phantom attack near 100%

[wicked grove]

The imperium is a failed state of a megalomaniac.

[manic needle]

I believe so, the last time I checked on of my old staffs it didnt have the T2 mark, and it was after release

I could log in and check, I suppose

[teal cargo]

Yep just like Great Horned Rat is almost a Chaos God itself

[grave bobcat]

lmao

[tardy flower]

yea idk why it'd be tiered at all

[teal cargo]

Anf the rat eats Skaven and the Emperor eats humans

[ruby merlin]

Imperium 100% skaven, but more fashionable and better looking 😛

Also the hive spires can look nice.

[tight saddle]

Debatable lmfao

[teal cargo]

yea they don look like Skaven

[manic needle]

Honestly I wish I could replace Focused Channeling with Warp Nexus anyway 😦

[small spindle]

what do I go for in curios btw? Like what stats more important, max health or tough?

[tardy flower]

pff rat boys look way better than squishy humans

[teal cargo]

But their doctrine and ethics very similar

[ruby merlin]

@small spindle I like toughness more because ranged is what is going to murder you

and toughness regens.

[manic needle]

Ive always done one with Health, one with Toughness, and one with +wounds, but I like a well-rounded build

[ruby merlin]

HP is for surviving burst damage, but if you're taking a huge burst you messed up anyway.

I really like block cost reduction for obvious reasons lol.

[wicked grove]

The Great Horned Rat is also legitimately more about just fucking around with dwarves and spreading corruption like nurgle does. (Story of the 13 tolls like in every skaven book)

The closest thing to 40k with skaven. They'd be beasts of chaos who follow chaos undivided.

Their entire gimmick is corruption.

They've always been more chaos aligned. (They're on the forces of chaos listing. Not death, light, or anything else. Forces of Chaos)

Same for Beastmen, and the infamous Archaon the Everchosen

[ruby merlin]

I mean the Imperium feeds Chaos, the one reason why Chaos is so strong atm is basically because of the Imperium.

[wicked grove]

Orks, and Eldar as well.

[ruby merlin]

And Chaos hates Nidds because they eat everything, and could potentially wipe out chaos.

[tight saddle]

Toughness, reduced damage taken from gunners, block efficiency, but there's no concrete best yet since most people are experimenting and because bringing stuff that complements your playstyle will help even more

[wicked grove]

Chaos also hates nids due to the fact they destabilize the warp wherever they go.

[ornate hamlet]

Just popped in to say psykers are cool. That is all

[manic needle]

Okay, so it looks like they must have added the tier markers to Focused Channeling and I just didn't notice. All of my staffs that have that perk show the T2 markings on it.

At least that makes more sense.

[teal cargo]

I go for max health cos Pyskers got more health than toughness and to have mlre hp between Medicaes

[tacit fractal]

Who’s group are you part of? Roughnecks, ogryns or mad zealots?

[wicked grove]

It's been known that the Nids can make psykers go mad or even commit seppuku due to the fact the nids close out the warp.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Orks only feed Khorne mostly, maybe some Tzeentch. But The Imperium does all four chaos gods. And as long as the Imperium stands, Chaos will do great. Eldar aren't that numerous.

[teal cargo]

Zealots 💀

[ruby merlin]

And yes Nidds are basically anti chaos

[teal cargo]

Eldar mostly feeding Slaanesh

[manic needle]

'Nids and good old fashioned blanks

[wicked grove]

They also feed nurgle.

[teal cargo]

But tjey also raising their own Death god who prob will kill Slaanesh

[wicked grove]

The birth of life and death feeds into nurgles playbook.

[tacit fractal]

Ah, tf? Never seen a zealot who praises a psyker

[wicked grove]

That zealot is a poser.

[teal cargo]

Yea I wish there was a nice Zealoy

but they always jerks

[wicked grove]

Hes a chaos cultist trying to make us into a deamonhost.

[ruby merlin]

I like the fan theory that the Old ones actually have a reset option to purge the warp, and it takes the form of the Nids @teal cargo

[manic needle]

Probably one of those Zealots who's being corrupted by a god other than Khorne.

[wicked grove]

Kill him the beloved says so.

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal I've seen one say that I killed things pretty well, does that count? XD

[tight saddle]

Honestly I've stacked health curious some runs and toughness in other Damnation runs and overall I can't quite tell the difference. When I stack health I wish I had toughness at times and when I stack toughness I wish I had health depending on how a fight goes

[ruby merlin]

I hate ranged the most, so toughness is better for me.

[ruby merlin]

If you eat a lot of fire, then hp is better.

[tacit fractal]

Like player or the character? This makes a huge difference

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal The character in game

[wicked grove]

The only reason the nids took an interest into the galaxy of 40k is cuz in 30k there was a massive transmission that attracted the hive fleets.

[tacit fractal]

Oh okay, that does not count

[wicked grove]

That's the cannon explanation

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove The canon explanation is the astro draws them in.

[wicked grove]

Well now yes.

[manic needle]

Zealot:
Loves melee combat ✅
Hates Psykers ✅
Screams about Blood and Skulls ✅

Yep thats a future Khorne acolyte

[wicked grove]

But in 30k there was a large transmission that attracted the fleets

[teal cargo]

prob Khorne is empowering them

[tiny wharf]

Astronomicon does not extend to the edges of the galaxy, let alone outside of it to attract the bugs

[wicked grove]

By the time they got close they saw that there was the astrogation by the now interred emps

[ruby merlin]

I wonder if Khorne gets amused by the fanatical zealot, or if he's angry that the zealot dedicates skulls to the emp.

[wicked grove]

Considering that Celestine is a Greater Demon of the Emperor...probably annoyed

[ruby merlin]

There's also that theory that because each nidd fleet approaches from a different angle and direction, it means the nids are basically everywhere in the local galactic cluster :P.

[wicked grove]

He can never claim her skull.

[tired estuary]

khorne gets his jollies off any bloody slaughter so it doesn't really matter

[tiny wharf]

Aye.
Khrone cares not from where or whom the blood flows, only that it flows.

[wicked grove]

Tbh Khorne is the best chaos god.

Dudes a bro

[solid lake]

Okay I feel like I'm going insane: Has anyone seen any non-sniper Scabs today?

[tidal kernel]

Khorne is a real one

[wicked grove]

Hes not even mad if you challenge him

He just hates if you hit him in his back

[tidal kernel]

what you see is what you get

[manic needle]

Slaanesh so underappreciated. Give me some Noise Marines.

[wicked grove]

Slaanesh is honestly boring.

The gw writers make slaanesh cults just boring groups

[ruby merlin]

I mean chaos is generally pretty relaxed since they know they've basically won (except if Nidds eat everything and destroys all their juicy emotional energy).

[wicked grove]

They never truly go into degeneracy.

[manic needle]

I used to think so until I realized that the Artist from Evil Within 2 is a Slaanesh acolyte

[ruby merlin]

GW writers mostly want to keep their pg-13 rating to sell models.

The end lol

[manic needle]

(or would be if they lived in 40k)

[ruby merlin]

But yeah there are a lot of interesting sides to Slaanesh

[wicked grove]

90s and 80s 40k and fantasy was HARDCORE on the fucking degeneracy of slaanesh

They really tamed it down in the 00s

Like if you read the early editions and books they didn't fuckin play.

[quaint pollen]

can someone run me through pick n mix? it doesnt have to be unique kills on specials/elites - the wording is just bad right?

[ruby merlin]

It's because you can sell to a wider group, kinda like how Marvel tries really hard to keep it pg. I mean it makes sense from a business perspective. Just more boring from a storyteller's perspective.

[wicked grove]

Nowadays slaanesh is just treated as a horny sex God.

[ruby merlin]

@quaint pollen A while ago you could do it on malice, any special or elite

[wicked grove]

When slaanesh is more than just "haha here is sex God lol"

[quaint pollen]

says heresy now, is the text accurate?

[manic needle]

They should change it back, being things other than the sex god is more marketable tbh

[ruby merlin]

@quaint pollen I don't know for this patch, but you could try it. I know someone got it on malice when it said heresy a week ago.

[wicked grove]

Writers need to really get in on a take like the White Glove Society in FO:NV.

[cold hornet]

I feel like I need to be more degenerate to enjoy slaanesh

[wicked grove]

Or something extreme like child slavery etc

[ruby merlin]

You know that militarum regiment that goes out of their way to be extra perfect, goosestepping everywhere etc. That's Slaanesh 😛

Perfectionism of any kind feeds her.

[wicked grove]

Tbh that IS an aspect.

But that's the positive side of it.

Seeking perfection and being a better person.

The double edged side is narcissism, and having main character mentality.

[ruby merlin]

Or being the ultimate worst person. She could be the most interesting Chaos God if someone wrote up a nice storyline.

[wicked grove]

Yup. :/

[ruby merlin]

Tzeentch is great too of course

Lots of plots

❤️

[tacit fractal]

I have gotten positive messages from both Zealots and Ogryns about Psyker and everyone being against Vets

[wicked grove]

Tzeentch is written in a boring way because if he "wins" he just blows out the other chaos gods.

[vital bough]

I'd like another Psyker class that's a Tech-Priest Pysker.
It's lore friendly, the Mechanicus have the Diviso Telepathica that deploy Psy-Titans.
I'm sure we could have a tech priest psyker

[manic needle]

Vets are the new Kerillian, lots of toxic players

[tiny wharf]

Slaanesh has become less of a fantasy horror and more of a commentary of current society.
Life imitates art and what not

[wicked grove]

I just want a Skitarii

[manic needle]

(or at least in my experience)

[ruby merlin]

The problem with all the plotting is that the stories can only be as clever as the writer.

[wicked grove]

I don't care for Psy-Mechanicus

[tacit fractal]

I really doubt that

Pyrokinesis though

[vital bough]

Well they're already confirmed to add side classes I'm just throwin' ideas out there

[tiny wharf]

heres your tech psyker bro

[ruby merlin]

I just want a dark eldar/ynnari wych so I can play my shade again. And she can mock the Mon'keighs this time.

Lumberfoots 😛

[wicked grove]

Again...all that is is just an assassin.

Literally.

[tacit fractal]

Fuck Kerillian

[wicked grove]

Just an assassin.

[boreal condor]

Is there a good way to farm materials?

[ruby merlin]

I just want my shade to be an elf for the whole throwback thing.

[wicked grove]

Tbh Dan Abnett doesn't do "xenos"

Hes well known for his guard books

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal Shades don't shoot you in the back that often 😛

[wicked grove]

And this goes around to the fact this games closer to only war.

Not Rogue Trader.

[ruby merlin]

He's just in for the world building.

And that's done, so he's back to books now.

[tacit fractal]

Schitzophrenic ass Kerillian can’t even stay with one singular race having to go from Athel Loren to Naggaroth to Ulthuan to Athel Loren AGAIN

[vital bough]

Ideally I think it would be nice to have a side class for Psyker, for each of the four staffs'.
Tech-Priest Psyker for Surge, Pyro-Psyker for Purg, and maybe some kind of kinetic class for both Void and Trauma?
Just some thoughts

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal I mean all elves are genetically identical, so all the various factions are really just cultural.

[wicked grove]

There should've been 2 subclasses for each class on release

[vital bough]

Agreed. At least 1 other subclass but not any, at all.

[ruby merlin]

I don't want more humans is all. Abhumans would be okay, xenos would be best 🙂

Because of the dialogue potential alone

[wicked grove]

Xenos tbh would break the immersion of

"You're a penal legionnare"

[tacit fractal]

Ehhhh, making other classes for just a singular weapon sounds really terrible

[wicked grove]

I'd rather we keep that general story beat.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove I mean if xeno lives are worth negative points, then any random xenos you can throw at a problem can only be a good thing. Makes sense from an inquisitor's perspective.

[vital bough]

Not just about the weapon, the theme and perks that correlate with a theme along the class's feat tree.

[runic hatch]

I'm comparing two Surge Force staves, one had "+4% Ranged Damage (Elites) and one has "+15% Damage (Unarmored)" Is the second one intended to mean "Melee Damage" or does it apply to all damage types? Which would be the better choice?

[ruby merlin]

They think everyone they send will die anyway.

[tacit fractal]

We aren’t rogue traders

[ruby merlin]

It's 40k, anything can be spun to make sense.

[wicked grove]

And say...if you were say...an eldar...and the inquisition literally just has you in a cell. No context. No reason. Not a damn clue for why or how you got there.

[ruby merlin]

And we could 'ally' with rogue traders or something later on to get more resources, a perfectly plausible plot point.

[wicked grove]

You don't think the Eldar fleet world's wouldn't notice?

[paper trail]

They cant even give us crafting and you expect them to give us playable xenos

[wicked grove]

You don't think there'd be some punishment in regards for grendyl

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Inquisition members have been known to use Eldar before.

[paper trail]

keep dreaming

[tacit fractal]

You really want to fuck an eldar don’t you?

[ruby merlin]

There are plenty of rogue eldar everywhere.

[wicked grove]

Ordo Biologis or the like. Sure.

[boreal condor]

If I understand armor correctly, it is for the class of enemy and the body type hit

[wicked grove]

Hereticus however...not so much.

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal Could make them any eldar, I don't care. I want to mock humans. Or blood orks.

I don't want more humans is all

[wicked grove]

So just have a techpriest...

They make fun of fleshbags

[ruby merlin]

They're too human to me. Their mindset is still very identifiable as human.

[wicked grove]

Hadron literally chastises you for being close.

[vital bough]

Go into the meatgrinder and test weapons on the enemies, it'll tell you which one's have what armor class when you hit them

[tacit fractal]

Why do you want to be toxic against your own kind?

[wicked grove]

Ratlings literally make fun of normal humans.

[paper trail]

surge staff does more damage against armoured enemies so 4% vs elites is really going to be better as unarmoured damage isn't great so you benefit a lot less from it

[wicked grove]

Like...

Fr...

There's felinids

[devout axle]

Obligatory poll repost.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/2ayLWYkdMZ4

[wicked grove]

If you wanna be spicy.

[ruby merlin]

Because humans are predictable and boring, and this is technically a fantasy setting so having fun xenos around is great for dialogue and conflict. Stop eating Imperium propaganda :P. I do like it way more when Ogryns are in a match, because the dialogue shifts a lot.

[wicked grove]

They also make fun of humans being slow.

[vital bough]

Felinussy

[runic hatch]

okay. Can you help me understand the difference between "Ranged Damage" and "Damage" though?

[wicked grove]

There's multiple in lore ab-humans. That make MORE sense than a "yo here's a random ass tau in a jail cell."

"Yea we just captured this random Eldar off the street lmao."

[tiny wharf]

One of them happens at range.

[runic hatch]

heh

[ruby merlin]

I mean there are plenty of loner eldar, blood axe orks, other randoms who do sell their services to the highest bidder.

[runic hatch]

so the other is melee?

[fresh reef]

bought a gray lasgun for if I ever wanna try gun psyker
holy hell these are some good first rolls

[runic gate]

Results?

[wicked grove]

The loner Eldar (rangers) are often on maiden worlds or other such things

[tiny wharf]

Whatever this one is.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove There are others too, dark eldar out thrillseeking or just 'breaking the rules', corsairs, anything etc.

[proud mantle]

whats the best lv 10 talent

[fresh reef]

I believe that one's female Seer

[ruby merlin]

Female loner is great

[wicked grove]

The harlequins operate under inquisition eye and they leave just as quick as they come

[lethal plover]

fatshark taunts us with talk of genestealer cults and aeldari

[ruby merlin]

Megalomaniac lines on ulti can be pretty funny.

[vital bough]

That's only the first level of that blessing so it's not necessarily a good roll for the blessing but otherwise okay.

[wicked grove]

Tbh I'd rather see GSC.

[tacit fractal]

We all know there will not be any sort of actual other race in Darktide even if you wished hard enough because there’s not even close enough people in the community to care about playing them

[fresh reef]

where Ratling sniper

[twilit path]

It's nice, but the accent just isn't for me.

[wicked grove]

GSC as a enemy type would be fun.

[ruby merlin]

Fair enough, I just go for the lines mostly.

[fresh reef]

by the time I try this I assume we'll have ways to reroll/upgrade blessings lol

[twilit path]

That too. Savant I feel like is a very "Middle Ground" Psyker. Not too boring, not too Crazy.

[fresh reef]

currently addicted to trauma staff

[twilit path]

We must help you

[wicked grove]

I prefer the Loner psyker.

[robust geyser]

NOOOOO

[wicked grove]

Just casually calling out the imperium.

[robust geyser]

NOOOOO

AHHHH

[tiny wharf]

Given that our ship is an inquisitor's ship (presumably a puritan inquisitor being that I see nothing suggesting he is a radical), any additional race would be executed on sight.

[fresh reef]

dude I just don't understand why people keep saying it's bad

[robust geyser]

its so beautiful...

[ruby merlin]

And Imperium is just dull and overdone to me, if you look at most of the 40k games it's always humans, usually space marines of some sort. Imagine having the Imperium as an enemy faction in one game lol (could have split campaigns).

[burnt python]

wow

[robust geyser]

why did the game do this

[twilit path]

Full Charge* Kills like 4 dudes*

[robust geyser]

why are the contracts so long

why cant i lock items in the requisitorium

why cant currency be shared

[wicked grove]

Wow easy sales from distinct poster boys? People wanting to play space marines and feel awesome?

Yea...it's easy money

[tacit fractal]

Dude, every book is told in the view of humans

[fresh reef]

and staggers the rest to kingdom come

[wicked grove]

It's like gw doesn't have a creative bone in its body.

[twilit path]

Either make the circle bigger, or do just a bit more damage

[glossy hemlock]

got a question, so whats all the hubub about dueling swords? i havent tried one yet, so idk whats considered "good" on one, but can someone tell me why they have hype and what makes one good?

[twilit path]

Surge can easily do that too

[ruby merlin]

Not every book, some books are xenos centric.

[wicked grove]

All the stories come from human perspectives outside of the PURELY XENOS ones

[vital bough]

It looks like perks will be the first to come with this next update, then blessings will most likely be the patch after that.

[lethal plover]

part of the mystique of the other races is that they are unknowable to the human mind
if they become too commonplace, they would just be humans in different costumes

[fresh reef]

fucking lol

[wicked grove]

Its like Humanity is the most numerous outside of orks...

[ruby merlin]

@glossy hemlock Mk v dueling sword has an awesome dodge range.

[fresh reef]

5 enemies at a time

trauma can stagger an entire horde

[glossy hemlock]

is it just the dodge range that makes it appealing?

[lethal plover]

the best for killing in melee is the axe
dueling and knife are just for movement and speed

[ruby merlin]

Honestly an Ork campaign somewhere would be pretty hilarious. Command a Waagh etc.

[vital bough]

Also if you're anticipating these patches, it's worthwhile to hold on to high value, lvl 3 or 4 perks, and save them so you can put them on something else.

[tacit fractal]

You can speed slide with it

[wicked grove]

You got Dawn of War calling your name.

You got Blood and Teef

[glossy hemlock]

ok so despite having over 100 hours in game, what is speed slide?

[ruby merlin]

Yeah, that was pretty well recieved (not the third one). But it's pretty old by now.

[tacit fractal]

Ork in Darktide is even more impossible than an Ynnari Eldar

[wicked grove]

Even Eldar Rangers.

[tacit fractal]

Yup

[wicked grove]

They're a dying breed.

[ruby merlin]

Blood axe orks exist, and do merc themselves out to the Imperium in lore, so technically possible.

[glossy hemlock]

just play Dawn of War

[twilit path]

Just like, add Tau. Ignore Logic

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Dark eldar can clone themselves, so technically they could have as many as they wanted.

[wicked grove]

Yes and no.

[ruby merlin]

Why does everyone talk about Tau anyway.

[vital bough]

Wtf why don't they let me play as a necron? I thought this was a 40k game...? tf

[wicked grove]

They can clone themselves sure. But they won't do it in huge numbers due to Slaanesh

[tacit fractal]

Nobody did

[ruby merlin]

They're the least likely to work with the Imperium since humans actually want to defect to the Tau Empire.

[wicked grove]

They're more scared of fucking slaanesh than craftworld.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Yep, they need food to sustain themselves basically, so their fate is tied to the Imperium (as the best source of 'food').

[wicked grove]

Their "food" is torture...which they sustain with raids....

[ruby merlin]

Human auxillaries in the Tau Empire fighting the Imperium would be a pretty neat story.

[wicked grove]

Again.....

[lethal plover]

what are we talking about again

[ruby merlin]

Yep, I mean slaanesh is she who thirsts, so technically it's a drink.

[faint monolith]

What's a good mission to try for cliffhanger on?

[tacit fractal]

Honestly man you should be able to play as an Old One in Darktide, completely ruins the immersion, I wanna play something completely different entity from a relatable characters

[ruby merlin]

Logistratum @faint monolith

[vital bough]

40k fan fic for why they should play different races while still serving the empirium

[grave bobcat]

Yeah that one

forgot itsn ame lol

[wicked grove]

Yo I really wanna play as a grey knight.

[tacit fractal]

Chasm Logistratum

[tacit fractal]

I wanna play as the Lion

[uneven sparrow]

Bros I finally got cliffhanger, through the power of friendship

[unkempt juniper]

why tf can i not play as my favorite primarch, lorgar

[grave bobcat]

Or the barrle map

[ruby merlin]

Anyone who thinks any faction in 40k is relatable probably has issues lol.

[lethal plover]

you would have to imagine an entirely different setting
different game, even

[wicked grove]

Who doesn't wanna be an unkillable boss murdering grey knight who murders sisters of battle cuz they need holy virgin blood

[unkempt juniper]

the only relatable faction is the lamenters, they just want to help ppl and keep getting screwed over for it

[tacit fractal]

Kaldor Draigo

[ruby merlin]

Also we should have killable chaos space marines soon, just to make some people mad lol.

Not like we can't do it since we kill beasts of nurgle.

Named characters sometimes kill space marines with a single knife in the books.

[unkempt juniper]

beasts of nurgle are basically chaos spawns right?

[tacit fractal]

I want to fight against Cegoragh and win in Darktide

[wicked grove]

Yo same.

Harlequins get clapped

Kaldor Draigo in the house.

[unkempt juniper]

*sheogorath

[ruby merlin]

Vin just likes strawmanning 😛

[wicked grove]

No...that's the proper spelling.

[unkempt juniper]

no, sheogorath is

[vital bough]

Ok guys honestly what do you think the odds are of us eventually having a Chaos Marine boss fight for an assassination mission?

[ruby merlin]

I think it's pretty high eventually

[gritty perch]

cant even complete malice difficulty runs today

I had a demon host spawn right in front of the med station

[ruby merlin]

Would certainly look good on stream, advertise the game, make more money etc.

[wicked grove]

You don't know of the Harlequins God of Laughter?

[fluid oar]

People who get their panties in a wad over Space Marines not being nigh-invulnerable would really hate playing the actual game, where a squad of Space Marines can die to just a few squads of guardsmen massing lasgun fire at them

[gritty perch]

and then a host of gunners and bombers standing right at the daemonhost

[tacit fractal]

We both were incorrect btw, it’s Cegorach

[gritty perch]

so I couldn't fire back without waking it up

[uneven sparrow]

If there’s a space newt faction I’ll side with them 🐸

[wicked grove]

You're closer than they are.

[ruby merlin]

Pretty much lol @fluid oar Tabletop one ogryn could crush a CSM in melee combat since they're stronger and tougher.

[manic needle]

I just want a 40k game that doesnt have Space Marines tbh

Chaos or Loyalists

[wicked grove]

Tbh in lore we should've been dead by now.

[wicked grove]

Not happening.

[ruby merlin]

We're obviously named characters

we have more than one wound etc.

Even on damnation

[vital bough]

I was thinking it would be more like the final boss fight in VT2, very cinematic and at least harder than the current assassination missions.

[ruby merlin]

And named characters have plot armor in GW lore, so we're fine

[wicked grove]

Tbh not really. Meltaguns kill space marines easy

[ruby merlin]

Yeah the Skittergate in VT2 was pretty fun!

[wicked grove]

Plas guns too.

[manic needle]

One can dream. 40k is so much bigger than The Emperor's Big Bois

[wicked grove]

I mean you have T'au Fire Warrior!

[uneven sparrow]

Ah good, my ogryn named “PotatoLad” is in the 40k lore now

[ruby merlin]

@manic needle Hence I want xenos lol, getting away from the Imperium and all.

That pathfinder rogue trader game could be pretty fun!

[wicked grove]

Don't you wanna play hit game Tau fire warrior?!

It's so fun!

[tacit fractal]

”It’s quiet”

[wicked grove]

Sure it's made for ancient computers full of bugs and crashes

[wicked grove]

cries as bolter is a joke

[ruby merlin]

Honestly I just want to see more 40k games humans interact more with xenos more aside from just trying to kill each other, the dialogue alone would be great.

[wicked grove]

Idk how that fire warrior was able to take a full auto bolter and use it but hey...gw writing.

[ruby merlin]

And it wouldn't be the same old story with the generic plot.

[wicked grove]

Hey dawn of War is calling

Did you know hit game Dawn of War?

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove An RPG style game would be better for the universe.

[wicked grove]

Sure it's oldcrons

[wicked grove]

The only rpg game that might happen is Dark Heresy.

[ruby merlin]

And it's just old, I do like some old games, but they gotta be execeptional.

[tacit fractal]

This has been said to you multiple times and it will be repeated… Have you ever heard of a game for the Warhammer 40k series called DAWN OF WAR I-III

[ruby merlin]

Like Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, that has aged really well IMO

[wicked grove]

Which...is what we're playing.

We are playing Only War in a Dark Heresy setting.

And wanna know what most of Dark Heresy games do?

Shit we're doing.

[tacit fractal]

[wicked grove]

Quite literally. This is the closest you are getting to a "40k rpg style game"

[ruby merlin]

VT2 has a much superior plot so far. https://roguetrader.owlcat.games

Also that game exists

So it's a matter of time at least

[wicked grove]

VT2 also...is based on the End Times.

Owlcat is kinda meh

They really require a guideline campaign.

So...

It's either gonna be a big hit

Or a huge miss.

[ruby merlin]

pathfinder was fun enough, nice characters.

[tacit fractal]

Also Cetea I’m getting a wild deja vu like you have repeated this sort of wishful thinking we’ll get playable xenos races in Darktide more than 5 times in 5 different occasions

[wicked grove]

They literally copy/pasted the entire campaigns of the pathfinder games.

[tacit fractal]

Idk how I should feel about it

[ruby merlin]

I mean why not, the chat here is mostly talking about surge staff vs void for the 10th time anyway.

[wicked grove]

I'm telling you.

[ruby merlin]

Or axe vs dueling sword vs force sword

@wicked grove Fair enough, but hey, it could be good.

[wicked grove]

Owlcat relies alot on the fact they used modules and pre made campaigns

[grave bobcat]

A discussion as old as time 🥲

[wicked grove]

(Which tbf they did a great job!"

But owlcat has always had that crutch.

[muted plaza]

Porting it requires a lot of work and if it works why not it attracts everyone that loves the original ttrpg

[ruby merlin]

I think Camellia in pathfinder was an owlcat character right?

[tacit fractal]

That’s more debating than you spesifically out of everyone wanting xenos and everyone mostly disagreeing

[ruby merlin]

Pretty unique RPG character.

[lethal plover]

you know what 40k really needs? anime girls

[wicked grove]

Kinda not really.

[muted plaza]

Thats like saying adapting a book is a crutch

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal Had plenty of people agree with me who just want shade back as an elf shrug

[past shuttle]

Look at shadowsun from tau that's right up your degenerate alley

[wicked grove]

I'm not saying it's easy.

[tacit fractal]

Veterans?

[wicked grove]

I'm pointing out...that they never really treaded far from the narrative tree.

[ruby merlin]

Lore people are sometimes super serious about it, gameplay people don't care as much.

[muted plaza]

well thats due to the setting not being theirs

[wicked grove]

(Now they did do well with the Aspect system)

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal And considering vets are the most popular class atm, they matter 😛

[tacit fractal]

Yikes

[wicked grove]

The super levels are awesome.

I live the Aeon trip

Love*

[ruby merlin]

Veterans matter, not a very Imperium thing to say I know. But screw them, they're practically Skaven 😛 (that was a fun convo btw).

[wicked grove]

But! Owlcat imo hasn't really shown to me that they're really pushing the limits of a ttrpg on computer

It's like CDPR.

I wanna see how they do without a set campaign.

One they have to manufacture and sit down for.

[ruby merlin]

Hey, we can just watch and see, I think the 40k verse does have a lot of potential as a storytelling game, and not have another turn based 'strategy' game.

[wicked grove]

That's literally a rpg.....

[tacit fractal]

They’re fun

[muted plaza]

Yeah they have a lot of things i dislike not being able to do like resurrecting npcs or a character supposedly cursed cannot be removed cursed and always dies if you do a certain thing

[wicked grove]

At the core of it...is a turn based strategy games.

[ruby merlin]

And there's tons of those, go play them.

[tacit fractal]

Nah

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove I mean sure, but at least it'll have a storyline.

[wicked grove]

All ttrpgs are turn based strategy with random dice outcomes.

With an attached storyline.

[ruby merlin]

Battlesector is probably the best turn based one out there atm, pity multiplayer isn't that active.

At least we got necrons in battlesector.

[tacit fractal]

Mechanicus exists

[wicked grove]

You forgot that early gaming rpgs were ttrpgs put on computer.

[ruby merlin]

Battlefleet gothic 2 was pretty nice too IMO

[wicked grove]

Remember early dungeon games?

That's right...ttrpgs...

[wicked grove]

Mechanicus tbf doesn't really have much going for it

Most games done by gw is abandonware.

DoW3 was abandoned less than a year after launch.

[ruby merlin]

total warhammer is the biggest success IMO

[wicked grove]

Warhammer online was abandoned.

The 40k mmo was abandoned

[ruby merlin]

Actually the private warhammer online server still up is still quite fun as well.

[wicked grove]

There's a long track record of abandonware gw has.

[ruby merlin]

The devs there even readded unfinished content etc.

[echo parrot]

Fresh off the meme press

[wicked grove]

That's a edge case done by private party. Not done by the actual company.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Yeah of course.

[wicked grove]

This is facts.

[grave bobcat]

Based

[wicked grove]

Trauma doesn't exist.

[ruby merlin]

Trauma fans, time to defend it!

The real war of this channel

[wicked grove]

You don't exist.

[grave bobcat]

Any trauma sympathisers

[wicked grove]

Nobody likes trauma.

[grave bobcat]

[ruby merlin]

There's a few around here

They like it for the burst dps in a choke

[wicked grove]

Seems to be just you.

[ruby merlin]

which is fair enough

I never said I was one. There's a few arguing for it

[wicked grove]

Mmmmm....

[grave bobcat]

Cetea smelling like

TRAUMA SCUM

[wicked grove]

Is you rn cetea

[ruby merlin]

Trauma works, just not as well as surge.

[wicked grove]

Explain yourself.

That's what all trauma lovers say.

That's what they all say...

[grave bobcat]

This is espionage pretending he is normal like us!

[wicked grove]

Yup.

He loves Eldar

He loves xenos.

He loves...trauma staff

[severe dove]

Trauma staff is real it can't hurt you

[ruby merlin]

I love how you all roleplay imperium masses 😛

[wicked grove]

No.

We're just proper folk.

You're one of them nulls who hide in the communities

[ruby merlin]

But yes trauma is valid, you could just use it for mass stagger. Damnation on trauma isn't that hard with comms.

Also eldar empire > imperium, bite me 😛

[wicked grove]

You mean

Dying empire

[past shuttle]

Trauma is great in choke points, but it needs to have a lower warp cost and a stagger after a small amount of channeling

[wicked grove]

Lmao

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove pot meet kettle 😛

[grave bobcat]

Okay even without comms

[ruby merlin]

At least it lasted for 60 million years

[grave bobcat]

Truama should be fine lol

Don't need comms for Damn at all 🥲

[ruby merlin]

yeah it's just clunky

[wicked grove]

At least I'm not one craftworld ship of being extinct.

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove let's see how the Imperium looks in 30 million years then.

[past shuttle]

What imperium

[echo parrot]

Its all furries.

[wicked grove]

Well the way gw writers do the imperium

I can expect it to be nice and strong

[ruby merlin]

@wicked grove Also dark eldar will do fine till the imperium dies, since all the humans function as livestock to them.

And they can infinitely clone and keep pops at a stable level.

@wicked grove I heard that golden throne was failing and all, hmmmmm.

[past shuttle]

Whatever man, GW dick rides the imperium until recently. I would know I play chaos and eldar

[wicked grove]

GW writers make the imperium have plot armor so thick One Piece needs 1 million power up episodes.

[ruby merlin]

But yeah, they'll keep it going to sell models as long as it's profitable lol.

Honestly they would probably make more money if they turned the whole tabletop game into a computer game, and microtransactioned the hell out of it.

More accessability etc.

Like magic the gathering did.

[wicked grove]

Here's the end of the "golden throne failing"

Cawl deus ex machinas a solution at the right time before everything goes to shit. Then says it was all the plan all along. Then gw makes super awesome NEW NEW primaris that has triple shooting per turn with super awesome mega cool shooty bolters that ignore everything

[ruby merlin]

Rip plot

but hey, we sell more space marine models now lol

[wicked grove]

So.

[past shuttle]

Yeah, I have super invulnerable saves with my daemons that ignore your super awesome mega cool triple shooting per turn mega cool sbooty bolters that ignore everything

[wicked grove]

Yes gw makes it look like imperium will lose but then it'll all be disregarded cuz "imperium is struggling lol"

[ruby merlin]

But hey, someday if the game doesn't expand more, and tabletop gaming goes the way of the dodo, we could have endtimes warhammer 40k 😛

[past shuttle]

Tyranid players had to read about their faction losing. In their own book lmao

[wicked grove]

But since I have the new girlyman toy my super awesome shooty shooty kill kill bolters override your dumb invulns!

I only paid 250$ for it

[past shuttle]

9th Ed started so good too. What a shame

[ruby merlin]

At least the dark eldar had a period of meta dominance where they destroyed the Imperium, that was fun lol.

[past shuttle]

Power creep is disgusting

[wicked grove]

Also imma complain cuz my SM are weak and need buffs.

Even though I dominated most of an edition

And most of last edition

But I'm super weak guys!

[past shuttle]

Bro. I just got my dex and it's incomplete . almost like darktide I wonder if some of the same "writers" were involved

[wicked grove]

My win rates are less than 50!

[wicked grove]

Cries in Death Korps...

My boys...

Look at what they did to my boys.....

My poor boys...

[past shuttle]

I feel only worse for ig players

[wicked grove]

My artillery got super nerfed.

Like...

Bruh...

[past shuttle]

I kinda hate all imperium factions except for IG they are based

[wicked grove]

I get it you don't want indirect fire armies

Cuz "it's not fun"

But it's also not fun getting tabled by a army that does 100+ shots a turn

Moves 30in

[past shuttle]

That sucks. But I feel you. I'm a mono slaanesh player. Us loyal single god followers got disrespected

[wicked grove]

Tbh slaanesh has always been weal

The only good model thats been consistent for slaanesh is The Masque

[past shuttle]

Well, 8th edition was just castle your army and spam indirect fire. I think they are trying to avoid it

[wicked grove]

I get it but if you hate artillery. Make it so artillery has to move or stay in place

So an arty army HAS to protect its arty which means you lose obsec units

[long wharf]

wait wait wait wait, nobody has argued about the kind of psyker staff for half an hour in here

[wicked grove]

And since guard can crumple real easy

[past shuttle]

Slaanesh isn't super weak tbh. We have some overcosted units but we lost all of the flavor of Slaanesh. They were all about doing combat tricks and keeping you in combat because of the musks that entrance you. Khorne does that now for some reason but its because you're super duper angry

[long wharf]

you guys need to clearly stop, as you're suppressing typical psyker channel chat.

[wicked grove]

Tbh Angron is gonna get nerfed after he terrorizes 10th edition for 1/2 of its lifespan.

It'll be another Magnus problem

He either gets the charge off or he dies to shooting.

[past shuttle]

That's just melee armies. But I'm sure he will have a damage cap per phase

[wicked grove]

Which....

Gw will make other meta armies have ways to ignore.

But since guard was the first codex we won't get such rules

[past shuttle]

Trueeee daemons saves anyone l?

[wicked grove]

Cuz we don't deserve anything nice

But you can bet for damn sure when sm gets their new models they'll have a tactic that gives them the ability to ignore damage caps

Limit release the models

Then go "well it's undercosted for what they do so they overperform but you need to buy it now!"

[past shuttle]

Probably. Poster boys need something to get people to stay

[wicked grove]

Meanwhile Aggressors, Hellblasters, and whatever the unit primaris had that currently has double shooting (which they'll lose since they need to sell a new model)

Meanwhile my death korps are model sculpts from 2003.

[past shuttle]

Understandable, craft world player here

[wicked grove]

Cadians have had the same sculpt since 2005.

[past shuttle]

I remember when that sculpt was new lmao

[wicked grove]

Bruh...your models are from the 90s

Some of em 80s.

(Looking at you classic farseer model)

[past shuttle]

Hey, we got new banshees.

[wicked grove]

(Which is STILL in print)

[wicked grove]

That's like what 70$

[past shuttle]

Also, I'm a harlequin player and seeing the imperium get a new quin model made me die inside

[wicked grove]

Yea...I'm tired of new imperium models

Imperium needs no new models.