psyker-class

[weary palm]

mooooooods they're going offtopic

[frail shuttle]

Psyker Ogryns when

[spare niche]

mods dont read this chat

[bright mica]

i dont think mods check the classes channels

[spare niche]

https://tenor.com/view/stalking-spying-peaking-peak-hiding-gif-14341063

[bright mica]

they only moderate #general-chat

[spare niche]

mods right now

[weary palm]

bans.txt is expanding

[bright mica]

ive never seen a mod in these parts

kinda sad... we can be evil too

[weary palm]

mod said my message is a banger in zealot chat once

[bright mica]

we had a 40 minute discussion about medieval flails in ogryn chat earlier

[frail shuttle]

Too much warp fudgery in here

[bright mica]

real

what is there to even discuss abt psyker tho

"heres the force sword, its good, duelling swords are not bad too, here are three viable staffs, go have fun"

[frail shuttle]

Surge vs Void ad infinitum

[bright mica]

all are good

💪

[lethal plover]

this is wrong

[bright mica]

trauma needs buff but even the devs agree

[lethal plover]

axe is the best

[teal needle]

Tired: Favorite staff Wired: Favorite cocktail

[weary palm]

if you don't use axe and surge you deserve death penalty

[frail shuttle]

I can't stand the axe...

[bright mica]

i domt like axe because the only thing i use my force sword for is special attacks and deflector

and funny dodges

[frail shuttle]

Knife or Rapier #1

[late bone]

Have yall done any testing with purgatus staffs soul burn dot in relation to crit chance? I found that a crit with the staff gives you an additional stack of soul burn on the target. However looks like multiple crits in a row doesnt increase the dot. Trying to find out if its maybe got an ICD built in.

[tight saddle]

I want a good dagger and dueling sword, but I keep wasting plasteel gambling staffs of all kinds and praying for at least 1 okay FS since mine sucks

[burnt python]

just ran damn w/ force sword and was definitely missing my axe for most of it, but i clutched at the end in a way i think would've been a loss w/ axe

[weary palm]

force dueling sword

[bright mica]

i dont see why youd use knife over the rapiers tbh

[wet cloak]

You have to use the force sword with deflector, because veterans will jump into melee with their power sword instead of shooting those 20 ranged trash mobs that are currently firing at you.

[spare niche]

force knife

[weary palm]

i want a special attack on brain burst where you just warp punch

[bright mica]

veteran mains shooting their 19 dollar lasgun into pox walkers instead of the fucking gunners

[tight saddle]

bro force knife with the special attack being a warp telekinetic throw that warp explodes on hit would be orgasmic

[frail shuttle]

Do you want fast special killing or fast horde killing. That's the dif

[bright mica]

i cringe indefinitely when i see vets waste ammo on random stray poxwalkers

[weary palm]

to be fair they have fuckin a ton of it

[wet cloak]

Psykers should be able to mind control elites

:P

[bright mica]

even bolter vets do this

😭

[weary palm]

playing psyker changes your game to rogue trader and you command your team

[bright mica]

seeing random pox walkers getting nuked by plasma guns

[lethal plover]

from what I see, a lot of times force sword delays the inevitable only by a bit more, if trash gunmen are all around you. The lasgunners in your team, aren't doing their jobs. Though in some cases, one clutch revive is enough for your lasgunner to kill the trash gunmen. So it's situation-dependent.

[teal needle]

Depending on the team comp and ammo situation a vet can afford to waste a ton of ammo on any difficulty, it's honestly pretty straightforward there

[azure cave]

Some vets just have room temperature IQ

[bright mica]

doesnt help that 50% of the pop is a vet

[lethal plover]

more over, if I have an axe, I can protect my vet by clearing horde around him

[bright mica]

so the largest number of idiots are vet players

[burnt python]

deflector is nice for just taking lead and eating up the gunfire while they are dealt with

[wet cloak]

@lethal plover I have the feat for warp drain, quite handy with deflector.

[spare niche]

we are the few that run the teams

[lethal plover]

warp drain?

[bright mica]

when i play psyker i am happy to see zealots on special sniping duty tbh because i trust them over vets to kill gunners for me

like you go white boy shoot those gunners with your holy bullets or whatever

[wet cloak]

@lethal plover The block where it starts to increase your peril once you're out of stamina

[bright mica]

cant wait for ogryn to get auto-cannon so they can finally special snipe

[weary palm]

does block eff. work on peril block?

[lethal plover]

what
there's only peril block

[azure cave]

Kinetic Deflection + Deflector is so sick

[bright mica]

seems to

[burnt python]

yes

[lethal plover]

peril block doesn't use stamina

[weary palm]

[wet cloak]

That feat is good though, even on higher difficulty

[burnt python]

it does when you hit crit peril, wh ich happens quick w/ deflector sometimes

[bright mica]

peril block is so much better than 33% ranged resistance

[agile cloak]

This plus warp batter plus 4% warp charge passive is insane

[lethal plover]

yeah, but it's peril first, then stamina
not stamina first then peril

[bright mica]

33% ranged resistance aka "wow you got your entire toughness bar burst 0.2 seconds slower!"

[wet cloak]

Yeah that feat is worthless

[burnt python]

ya idk if theres a blessing im unaware of but dude made it sound like your peril woudl drain when your stam starts going down which would be a great match w/ deflector

[lethal plover]

resistance against gunmen who kill you anyway

[weary palm]

just dodge the gunners lol?

[bright mica]

yes high stamina + block effic on curio / sword and deflector lets you literally just stand in front of a mob of shooters

[olive ember]

why run 33% damage reduction against ranged when you can run peril blocking with deflector kekw

[bright mica]

they track you dawg

[spare niche]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-25037715

[burnt python]

oh i see what you're saying, but i disagree man that aint worth at all lol

[frail shuttle]

They track head too, which is annoying

[wet cloak]

@bright mica My deflector sword has block efficiency, the stats are crap though.

[weary palm]

dodge better

[burnt python]

the great thing about peril blocking is you don't have to invest into stam or bcr at all, just get hp and dmg stats

[weary palm]

[agile cloak]

Ogryns on suicide watch

[bright mica]

you can get stamina as a perk, letting you still run hp/wound/toughness

[burnt python]

thats super wasted on psyker

[bright mica]

stamina is probably only good on psyker lmao

[burnt python]

+1 stam isn't even an extra bar btw you have to combo it with something else to get the bar

1 stam = 1/2 bar

[tight saddle]

what does impact do again

[bright mica]

yea i know

[burnt python]

and you only get whole bars not half

[bright mica]

stagger

[azure cave]

How does KD help you pick up teammates?

[tight saddle]

ok thought so, thnx

[burnt python]

stagger i believe

[bright mica]

your block can basically never break while reviving

[azure cave]

You can block while reviving?

[burnt python]

peril block + deflector is such good defense on its own i think its a waste to further invest in blocking

[bright mica]

you auto-block while reviving

[tight saddle]

everyone blocks while reviving

[azure cave]

Ah

So that's whgat that is

[bright mica]

ur not wrong

[weary palm]

newfrogs

[bright mica]

i'd honestly just run more toughness and hp as 2ndary perks

can you roll the same 2ndary perk twice?

[burnt python]

hp >> toughness imo

and no i dont think so

neverf seen that at least

[lethal plover]

oops my oshi is on see ya

[weary palm]

4x hp curio or trash

[bright mica]

i agree, toughness stacking is only rlly good on veteran and bleedtank zelaot

i think everyone except ogryns should run +1 wound tho

[burnt python]

toughness feels weird rn, unless you vet its never enough to survive a gunner volley

[bright mica]

HOWEVER u can get +1 wound as a perk on curios

[burnt python]

ya i run +1 wound always

wait what

[bright mica]

which means yes you can actually have +6 wound from curios

[burnt python]

it can be a perk?

[bright mica]

yeah its rare as shit tho

[wet cloak]

I've never seen a +1 wound perk

[burnt python]

damn thats so good

[bright mica]

ive seen someone post it on some rare as hell yellow

[burnt python]

have you seen it or just seen ppl reference it

hmm

[bright mica]

if thats true which im like 80% sure it is

it'd be funny seeing it all on ogryn

on the easiest difficulty

like 13 fucking bars of wound

[teal needle]

+6 wound from a single curio How many times you plannin on dyin

[gusty gust]

when am i gonna get a seetting for this god awful 100% peril audio que that's constantly in my ears

[bright mica]

+2*

[spare niche]

mate this store is so shit

i swear to god

[bright mica]

+6 if you stacked it three times.

[burnt python]

i have like 210 hp on my psyker rn if i could get +1 wound on a perk that would let me bump to like... 250

[bright mica]

like 230-235 😭

how u getting 250

[burnt python]

+20% of 210 ~250 no?

+40 ish

[bright mica]

it

doesnt use the total

it uses your original hp total

[burnt python]

oh

[bright mica]

:(

glub shitto

[burnt python]

game gave me a sick chain sword on psyk, tried to use it in damn, that thing is fuckin trash

[bright mica]

its good on rlly rare occasions for zealot and vet

bleedtank for zealot and "in case of power sword nerf, use this" for veteran

[burnt python]

i think a lot of vets are gonna discover the wonderful axe soon

it fills their melee role perfectly if ps gets nerfed

[frail shuttle]

Chain weapons are so good against ragers

[burnt python]

so much safer than ps too

[bright mica]

which axe is this

[paper trail]

uhhh wat no you cant

[bright mica]

so i can put it on my shopping list

[burnt python]

mk v

antax

[frail shuttle]

Mk V is trash I don't understand the love?

[sour bison]

wtf is this roll

[paper trail]

someones talking a lot of shit I think

[burnt python]

its so strong its prob gonna get nerfed lol

[bright mica]

keep it

[bright mica]

oh yeah this one

[burnt python]

yeah

[bright mica]

idk abt strong its good tho

ive had god rolls on it

[spare niche]

Ugh it’s so annoying this fucking store

[supple skiff]

rocking that with my fresh vet and its great

[spare niche]

Having to wait an hour

[burnt python]

its psykers strongest melee by a mile unless you really really value blocking ranged

[spare niche]

It’s dumb

Oi devs get a grip

[frail shuttle]

The fact they won't let us pay to refresh it is astounding. Code wise it's easy too

[burnt python]

makes damnation a joke you dont even need to use a ranged wep

hold block and push attack til the end of time and you win

perma staggers all elites smaller than an ogryn

220 dmg on light swing

[bright mica]

imagine this with decimator + headtaker lmao

[wet cloak]

Don't worry, next balance patch psykers will get nerfed even more.

[burnt python]

decimator + brutal momentum is best

brutal momentum makes push attack infinitely cleave

lol

[bright mica]

oh yeah i can see that

my only issue is

stamina reliant

:(

[burnt python]

i dont even have momentum on mine yet and its still insane

peril block 😛

[bright mica]

true

but

[wet cloak]

They'll be like "Oh we don't like how you guys play" then they'll nerf the axe.

[bright mica]

what if u sprint everywhere

[burnt python]

psyker has fastest stam regen

[bright mica]

😭

sut up

[burnt python]

you regen at same rate as you use push attack

you can push attack infintely with no s tam curios

[teal needle]

It's not like you're using stam to block, you can be pretty spammy with even a 2 stam ax

[burnt python]

or stam regen

[bright mica]

ohhh . . zoowee mama!

[burnt python]

ya its busted af with peril block

100% safe loop

unless you hit crit peril

[bright mica]

imma find one for my psyker then

bcs on vet i was like

hhtrrrahghhh

[burnt python]

its just kinda boring

[bright mica]

ptuu

mimimi

zzzz

[burnt python]

i took a clip of the rhytym you use with it yesterday lemme find

[bright mica]

on zealot is was mid too

[burnt python]

you can see stam at 0 still push attacking

[bright mica]

u cant do that with zealot

[bright mica]

i guess psykers stam regen is just that good

yeah no way u can do that with other classes

[sour bison]

what is "power"?

[burnt python]

and you dont need stam to stay safe w/ block!

its crazy

[bright mica]

nobody knows :D

it barely made sense in VT2

[sour bison]

lmao

[bright mica]

makes even less sense here

just assume more power = more damage

[burnt python]

power is a multiplier that effects all weapon properties (dmg, stagger, cleave, etc)

if its the same as vt2

[lethal plover]

definitely damage
maybe stagger
no idea cleave

[supple skiff]

Fatshark: ok so we made this space wizard with a lightning staff and the ability to explode heads.
Community: khorne bezerker got it

[bright mica]

Community

[supple skiff]

this keyboard is arse lol

[burnt python]

evil if you get around to trying axe, heavies are for carapace only

[wet cloak]

You remember the good times when no one knew what soulblaze was, and it was just there in our perk tree without an explanation?

[sour bison]

also went on several missions with trauma staff, its kinda good

[burnt python]

lights and push attack both good, lights higher dps, push attack for stagger & safety

[bright mica]

yea i know

u just have no idea how much better that axe is on psyker compared to other classes

that push attack spam? not possible on vet

i tried

[burnt python]

i do know ive used it on zealot & vet

the peril blocking unlocks it

to a possibly broken level

[bright mica]

i need that

so bad bro

or girl idk

everyone on the internet is a twink until proven otherwise

[burnt python]

idk why psyker has 0.4 sec stam reset but i aint mad

[bright mica]

i am mad i didnt know abt it until now bcs i prob missed a lot of antrax godrolls

[south monolith]

Power is damage

[burnt python]

this is mine, blessign are garbo

still wrecks shop

[bright mica]

ya but +10% power isnt +10% damage

or is it

glup shitto

[bright mica]

rest in piss for limbsplitter

doesnt affect u much

but man what a dog perk

[south monolith]

It is. It is 10% of the base power

[burnt python]

ya its trash, shreds anyways lmao

and in theory low cleave rating means absolutely nothign if you roll momentum

[bright mica]

u have the perfect perks on it

carapace and weak spot

[burnt python]

ya i'll replace limb w/ momentum eventaully and it'll be real solid

[smoky linden]

ogryns more big brain than spark 'eads

[bright mica]

true

[smoky linden]

beeger brain, yes

[bright mica]

ogryns grenade is a better brain burst

😭

[lethal plover]

my luck is shit because I don't have momentum axe
still shreds in melee tho

[burnt python]

headtaker is worse decimator but w/e

[bright mica]

fatshark hotfix for psyker: instead of brainburst you get grenade boxes until we can fix this shitty ability lol

[south monolith]

Decimator only works with chained attacks. Block attacks break the chain

[burnt python]

oh no shit?

[bright mica]

no shit? how u poopng then

[burnt python]

that makes it waaaay worse

[wet cloak]

If you guys want to feel better you can see my shitty force sword.

[south monolith]

Go to a crushers back and spam light attacks and watch the number changes. Then try block attacks

[supple skiff]

bruh

[lethal plover]

that's okay. you ain't gonna be killing shit with a FS anyway

[wet cloak]

I'm killing my own expectations with it.

[lethal plover]

it's to help your survival and take down some stragglers

[wet cloak]

That's all I need

[burnt python]

i really want to get that +power on cleave blessing on force s word to see how much it helps it horde clear

[idle bay]

Siblings ! There a PERFECT map is up for doing "Going up with bang!" Pence! Chasm Logistratum Assasination Low Intensity. Assemble a team and go for it. You have like 28 minutes

[lethal plover]

the next force weapon better be a horde clearer with deflector

[burnt python]

would be amazing

if fs light 1 did slightly more dmg it would be so much better

[obsidian lichen]

Is anyone else up for this? I still need to do mine.

[wet cloak]

Where's my force hammer fatshark?

or force axe

[obsidian lichen]

Force staff. 🙂

Why doesn't this game have spears?

[wet cloak]

I don't think warhammer 40k likes spears

[obsidian lichen]

There are so many narrow corridors. :/

Since melee is so heavily used, spears should definitely be on the menu.

[lethal plover]

I always get surrounded by horde so one direction wouldn't be for me

but I have seen that stabby in vermintide a lot yeah

[wet cloak]

As a purgatus staff main I thrive in hordes.

[idle bay]

So are you going? 🙂 We still have slot opened

[obsidian lichen]

Aye.

I'm logging in now.

[obsidian lichen]

Add me on Steam so I can join, same name on Steam as here.

[tight saddle]

I think I'm going to finally do it for the first time. After 180 hours of playtime and dogshit rolls on weapons and inconsistent solo quickplay Damnation completion runs I'm going to do Malice until I get bored just for Plasteels.

[burnt python]

i am looking forward to solo lobbies so i can just run malice w/ dagger & surge to skip 90% of the mobs when in need of mats lol

[formal osprey]

Do we have new cosmetics today?

[hoary hearth]

I have a question about a feat that gives you a free brarn burst with a 10% chance after an attack. Do ticks by lightning and flame staff each count as separate attack?

[plain raptor]

Hey psyker players why the fuck are so many of you running around with lasguns all of a sudden wtf

[burnt python]

cus scab & dreg gu nners are terrifying

[formal osprey]

Hard to tell and I wouldn't trust what people say in here. We're I you I would take it into the paykanium and test

[burnt python]

haven't tested but my understanding is the direct hits from the staff can trigger but not dots (i.e. purg stacks)

idk if surge ticks count as hits or a dot

[white badger]

Is the loop "100% safe" in hordes, assuming no leakers behind you? I have a grey 370 Mk V axe, which I picked up just in case.

[formal osprey]

Honestly I haven't had more fun in this game than the las 6d it's just so much fun

[burnt python]

yes, except for ranged attacks

[formal osprey]

Did more cosmetics come out?

[burnt python]

you can get hit by a rager or mauler if you time your swing to start right as they are about to hit, you have to kind of catch the feel of when to mash to stagger em out of attacks

keep block up to absorb hit, then push attack and start stagger locking em

[white badger]

We use lasguns, because otherwise las squads destroy us. While the vet is off meleeing some poxwalkers.

[formal osprey]

If I had a nickel for everytime

[floral palm]

LASGUN NO GAIN PERIL, MORE BLAINBLAST

[random wolf]

I'd rather use a Voidstrike staff and cut a bloody swathe with through entire gunner formations but

[lethal plover]

because stupid vets either bring a bolter or melee

[random wolf]

That's just me I guess lmao

[white badger]

That is the core of my loadouts: Assume nobody else is doing anything like their expected role.

[uneven sparrow]

Internal discussion that a volley of shots is better than brainburst right now

[burnt python]

voids nowhere near as effective as a gun vs them on damnation, tho i usually run void anyways cus its more fun imo

[robust cape]

How does this look for a staff?
I am struggling on heresy with it

[formal osprey]

That sure is a staff

[random wolf]

I'm sorry for the 2nd blessing.

[robust cape]

I knew it!

[burnt python]

its ok, def good enough for heresy, dont expect surge staff to kill a lot (except flak), use melee for actual killin

[lethal plover]

except you can't cuthrough a line of gunmen behind cover . your projectile is limited by geometry. Surge is unironically better there, once you get in range that is

[robust cape]

Should I then not use force sword on heresy?

[formal osprey]

For surge what you are looking for is quell charge and warp resist imo

[robust cape]

and switch to something with a bit more cleave

[burnt python]

you can p much always hit gunners behind cover w/ void, the blast is pretty big on a good roll, but its not gonna 1 shot

i think force sword & surge is a rough combo, not great horde cclearing

[lucid mortar]

Yeah you can frequently clip heads of gunners behind cover with void

[lethal plover]

ax surge is the combo

[white badger]

Void Staff vs Purgatus. Purgatus does similar damage, and it's AoE. The range is much shorter, of course, but that's the only downside I see.

[burnt python]

fs is better with like void/purge

[burnt python]

time to kill as well

purge is slooooow on damn

the stagger is incredible tho, that lmb is so good

[formal osprey]

Purge you need charge speed. Burn and damage are dump stats.

[white badger]

That is what I meant. Purgatus is similar to void in most cases. People sleep on how much damage it does in the center of the cone, when fully charged.

[azure cave]

Purge makes me feel so vulnerable to las squads

[random wolf]

Spam pocket sand

[burnt python]

burn is not dump it effects your max stacks, which do not scale linearly so you NEED them to be high or you wont kill shit

[azure cave]

Surge handles them so well

[lethal plover]

burn is dump stat?

news to me

[burnt python]

ive tried to love purge but i just cant make it work as well as others, i even prefer trauma lol

[formal osprey]

If you are running purge someone else needs to be dealing with then

[lethal plover]

someone go test that

[burnt python]

purge wrecks on malice but on damn its so fucking slow

[white badger]

Yeah, Purgatus is bad if nobody is covering las squads

[random wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1048972414027042897/image.png

My beloved

Get very familiar with the range

[formal osprey]

Compare an 80% burn to a 40% burn is depressing

[lethal plover]

be careful with that temptation
that way lies the Chaos god of gun psyker

[random wolf]

So you know when to hide and when to strike.

[burnt python]

purge staff also sort of locks you into fs deflector so you can approach gunners

[white badger]

It does, yes

That is the combo I have been using in quickplay IV's.. purgatas and deflector FS

[burnt python]

if you prefer fs thats not a downside tho

i just wish soulflame was better

theres a lot of value in killing something now vs later, especially ranged enemies

[white badger]

I have to think (hope) there is a balance patch on the horizon, that will buff at least some aspect of psykers

[cyan echo]

What part are you struggling with?

[burnt python]

i think if they give warp charges & soul flame some love psyker will be in a really really good spot

[cyan echo]

Your icon brought me a wave of nostalgia

[robust cape]

I can cc really well

no one dies

[tight saddle]

Are you sliding around everywhere sideways and backwards while casting/qunenching?

[robust cape]

I also can't guarantee who I pub with will kill what I stun

[burnt python]

are you familiar w/ animation cancelling on surge?

[cyan echo]

Armoured stuff should die to you, the rest you CC once and then finish off with your melee weapon

[robust cape]

no, which means I'm not ccing as well as I could be o.o

just dodge after cast?

[burnt python]

i'll make a quick clip for ya, it makes the staff feel a lot better

[cyan echo]

Do tell! I'm doing fine on Damnation but i dont think im using this

[burnt python]

weapon swap

[tight saddle]

as long as you keep it CC'd and ping it it'll eventually get killed

[burnt python]

give me 2 min i'll record

weapon swap & sprint both work afaik

you sacrifice some stun duration for less animation lock time

and it will not stun mutis with this, have to do full anim

your damage vs flak is very good using this

not at all worth doing vs unarmoured, infested, etc

[white badger]

That clip stutters so badly, I can't even see the trick

[robust cape]

I'm usually in a position where I can charge to full most times

(a position behind an ogryn)

[lethal plover]

against everything else the damage is mid

[burnt python]

hmm not stuttering on my end

main use of this is when theres like 9 fuckers nearby that you need stunned NOW

[robust cape]

i see thank you

will practice now

[lethal plover]

this is unironically why I use trauma to spam at feet in a horde

[burnt python]

ya agreed i honestly prefer trauma to surge for cc

i dont actually think its better but its a lot more fun and actually kills shit

and you get to pick your targets lol

[lethal plover]

surge is better for gunmen behind cover, so that's the main consideration, if you don't trust your team mate lasgunners

[burnt python]

trauma is better for dregs behind cover

surge vs scab gunners is amazing tho

[white badger]

My usual Surge Staff technique is just R-Click (not hold) then L-Click. I see that popping L-Shift (sprint) after each does cancel the animation and speed it all up. Interesting

[burnt python]

my staff only being "good" vs half the enemy types kills me inside when i run surge tho

[fiery zenith]

A good old slap with melee always work still

[burnt python]

true, much harder when they are shooting lasers at you tho

the surge anim cancel is good for locking gunners up then sliding into em w/ melee

[white badger]

Or just walk up to 'em 😉

[burnt python]

hahaha very true

[white badger]

But.. I have trouble with Surge + FS, as neither is good for anti-horde.

[burnt python]

ya i agree they dont pair great together

[teal cargo]

yea I do Axe and Surge

FS and Purg

[burnt python]

axe + surge just feels like a diff flavor zealot to me its p fun

[teal cargo]

really?

[burnt python]

just using surge to get up in their business w/ my axe

[lethal plover]

honestly I would recommend not over-estimating yourself with deflector. you're the clutch reviver. Trying to melee the gunners will probably kill you if the gunners are spread out and distant guys shoot at you while you whack one of them

[teal cargo]

zealot uses axe?

[burnt python]

they use tac axe but yes

[teal cargo]

yea getting shot with deflector makes your peril go up a ton

not antax axe?

[burnt python]

they use tac axe usualyl for higher crit chance than antax

[teal cargo]

ooof

[minor elk]

What's the best level 20 feat you could use on Psyker?

[burnt python]

worse moveset but higher crit, and crits give cleave to make up for lack of ccleave vs antax

[burnt python]

i think 95% of psykers will tell you kinetic deflection

[lethal plover]

only one
kinetic deflection
best feat in the game

[white badger]

Is the MKV Axe the only one? Or are the others worth a shot?

[minor elk]

And what's a generally good Level 5 feat?

[lethal plover]

mk5 best, nothing else really matters

[minor elk]

Trying to learn the Psyker build after maining Vet for a while

[lethal plover]

you're gonna be the mini-ogryn who can clutch revive and BB faraway snipers

power sword has nothing on peril axe

wdym axe wizard is not lore-accurate

[white badger]

What is the dump stat on axes? Is there one?

[lethal plover]

mobility

you literally stand still and live in a horde

[ornate hamlet]

i just got the dream team achievement (100 matches where no one is downed) but i literally picked up this veteran sharpshooter 6 times that match LOL

[lethal plover]

I got dream team and I don't know what it is

[white badger]

Lousy Blessing.. but I suppose this is worth trying to learn

[burnt python]

lol its bugged, gives a sick portrait tho

[lethal plover]

early game bug enjoyers

[burnt python]

thats a reaaallly good axe

theres only 1 blessing thats really good for axe, and even w/o its super good wouldnt worry bout it

[white badger]

Have never used axes on any of my chars. Will give it a run, try to learn it. Do you use the special at all on it? Or just push-blocks?

[smoky linden]

Guybrush Threepwood would make for a great psyker gimmick since he uses long fancy pirate swords, and also solves his problems with his mind

[burnt python]

heavies are good for carapace, lights are always good, push attack is best - i usually lmb til i need to block/push attack for safety

[tight saddle]

combat axe mk5 you just block attack infinitely

with the kinetic deflection feat

[smoky linden]

i hear its so absurdly broken for pushing that i'm dusting off my lvl 6 psyker to try axe fun

[white badger]

Yeah, in the meatgrinder with it now. I can see you always have stam for a pushblock-attack, even spamming it. Cool

[tight saddle]

it's boring as fuck

[burnt python]

ya incredibly effective but not the most fun

i started using light attacks a lot more just to push some diff buttons here and there

but when shit is hitting the fan, push attack wins

[white badger]

I only do quickplays with randoms. The shit is always flying fan-ward.

[burnt python]

yeah axe is suuuper good for that cus it just handles every melee unit np

[white badger]

My whole struggle is, "How to do IV's, with maybe one other competent player" 😉

[burnt python]

also push attack spam can stagger lock multiple ragers at a time, which is a lot of fun lol

[vague chasm]

I just reached level 20, should I be able to try and do Malleus Monstrum penace? (kill monstrosity with BB on heresy+)

[spare niche]

o.o

[burnt python]

if you have a coordinated group yeah you could do it

[white badger]

You'll need a group that cooperates for that. Best to find one in the lfg channel here

[vague chasm]

yeah sure, I just didn't want to bother the good samaritans over there if I was still a weight for the team

[summer sonnet]

is anyone able to help me get the malleus monstrum penance?

[vague chasm]

I'll try rn thanks

[burnt python]

if you're clearing malice comfortably heresy wont be too bad at 20, you'll be ok

[white badger]

Thanks for the tips on the Axe, Penguin. Gonna spend a few days seeing if I can gitgud with it. Or at least gitbetter 😉

[burnt python]

np hope you enjoy it

[minor elk]

For a Purgatus Force build, is this decent?

[long wharf]

axe+peril blocking is so god damn clutch

just finished a damnation assassination

[vague chasm]

Yeah quite easily even if sometimes I still explode

[long wharf]

I tanked the boss almost as well as the ogryn with a shield

[burnt python]

ya its so easy vs the boss, dodge the overhead and hold rmb vs everythign else lol

[white badger]

Yes. Purgatus Force is 123312. And that is what you have so far.

[tight saddle]

you tank better than ogryn shields with a common weapon + that perk

just not against ranged

[long wharf]

not better, ogryns can block ranged

[white badger]

And there is so much ranged.

[random wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-lightsaber-deflect-deflection-gif-14785820

Deflect baybeeeee

[white badger]

It's a hoot when you're playing with two or three vets, all have Camo, and none engage las-squads. You're the prime target for everything 😉

[smoky linden]

and this is why vets who delete the ranged trash are so much more useful than the damn plasgunners

[random wolf]

In a PUG its bound to happen. In a pre-made squad that's not a good thing.

I once got asked "Bro why you asking about loadouts its just malice we here to have fun"

Yeah bro if you 3 wanna play ring around the rosie when a Bulwark appears let me know

I just wanna round out the team

[white badger]

Yeah, if there's only one vet in a squad, they need to be running a Kantrael XII or a an Accutran Recon. Not a Bolter so they can go heromode on the one monstrosity.

[smoky linden]

https://tenor.com/view/shaun-of-the-dead-shaun-ed-zombie-hit-gif-16326952

[burnt python]

the xii is really good on psyker too btw lol

if you just really wanna make sure the bullshit gunners dont ruin your run

[random wolf]

At the same time the Zealot shouldn't be running dagger/flamer either if there's no coverage vs armored enemies.

[white badger]

Yeah... I have godrolled XII's on both my psyker and vet (semi-retired, I can check the shop 18 times/ day). It is a ludicrous weapon. I don't use it on psyker much, tho, just so the chars feel different.

[long wharf]

the infantry XII lasgun is a good gun, period, but a psyker still ought to be using a useful staff

otherwise go play a vet instead

[white badger]

Yep

[random wolf]

I have an almost-godroll Lucius Hellbore.

So I'm obligated to learn how to use that POS.

[bleak sonnet]

staff bad

gun gooood

[uneven sparrow]

It’s a funny discussion but in the end I do not care what weapons my teammate uses

[lucid terrace]

What if Psyker had a baseball bat?

[uneven sparrow]

I either carry the team

Or I had a bad run

[white badger]

They'd be tiny ogryns

[long wharf]

I don't care when I'm generally playing with pugs

but if I'm in a premade and a psyker isn't using a staff

[lethal plover]

it is correct that for malice you can sleep and clear

[long wharf]

I will point out, ruthlessly, all the different scenarios a psyker with a staff could have assisted the team where they failed

[wise ruin]

does bot dmg ruin the solo boss penance?

[white badger]

Really? Because their loadouts are definitely relevant. If nobody brings a good horde-clear, for example, you are in for a rough time

[tight saddle]

yeah I never care what weapons my randoms bring, as long as they know how to use them in accordance to what else the team is using

[uneven sparrow]

In this case I would be nobody and would bring something to horde clear

[random wolf]

Which is true. I don't dictate what my team brings. I just want to know so I can fill in a niche that we're missing lmao

Don't know why the dude was so defensive. I wasn't asking them to switch.

I just wanted to know so I can fill in a weakness in the team.

[white badger]

Same. I will switch between Purgatus and Surge, for example, if I know someone else has a Flamer/ Purgatus, etc.

[random wolf]

Because I'm really tired/wary of people going "Man I used to 2-man Cata back in the day I have 500 hours in VT2"

[uneven sparrow]

ubiquity

[random wolf]

And then they die within the first minute of the end of Enclavum Baross on Heresy

Which causes a rippling effect when your Zealot then tries to rescue his sorry ass instead of staying in formation

[white badger]

Yeah, there are those people. Not sure they realize this is a different game, with different core principles. Much harder in DT to go off and solo-hero the place. It's far more important to stay at least vaguely in a group.

[lethal plover]

enclavum eh
the end arena is probably the easiest part, but also the prettiest

[random wolf]

That's the thing that made me go "What in the fuck"

We managed to survive to the end

[white badger]

I don't think we're gonna be seeing those, "I let the bots die, then solo'd cataclysm" vids here.

[random wolf]

And that's when you fuck it all up lmao

[lethal plover]

I believe solo will be possible soon.

just a matter of gettin gud

[primal cipher]

simples

[white badger]

Maybe. Sometimes, I am in awe of what the top players do. But this game absolutely throws disablers at you when the group is all spread out. Hard to never misplay one for a whole run.

[haughty schooner]

in VT you didnt run into 30 gunners insta killin you across an area

[lethal plover]

there were disablers in VT too. the problem here is the mix of ranged enemies

[white badger]

Yeah

[haughty schooner]

ranged changes the game completely

[teal cargo]

I only tried mk5 axe

[random wolf]

Or getting pinned by dog/mutie and then having to forcefully sit in a pool of flames by a tox flamer or bomber.

And there's nothing you can do.

[lethal plover]

dog isn't a big problem once you learn to push during a horde

[random wolf]

Either should interrupt whomever's pinning you I swear.

[haughty schooner]

or a sneaky sniper pops up in the middle of a horde and just 1 taps you

[lethal plover]

mutie may be a problem if you can't dodge sideways because enemies are crowding you

[random wolf]

Or the silent trapper that spawned within the horde

Literally 0 sound

[white badger]

Yeah.. Dog and Mutie are the two easiest, as you always know they are coming. Sometimes, if there's a lot going on, you can miss the trapper's "here I am" muttering. Or the subtle 'ting' of a bomber.

[lethal plover]

they make sounds a lot

[haughty schooner]

pox burster spawns in teh door you are standing next to and instant detonates

[lethal plover]

trapper that is. I always call them out for team

[long wharf]

or the pox burster that spawns in a doorway and immediately explodes

[white badger]

Trapper mutters, very softly, like an old woman.

[lethal plover]

the cackling female sound

[wise pecan]

I think there’s two big things stopping “hero moments”:

1. Gunmen
2. Lag
   1 is self-evident, but 2 is more insidious. Because the game operates on dedicated servers, no player is latency-free, which means that there is no fool-proof method of countering disablers if the servers themselves disagree

[white badger]

I think they all have sound effects. It's just that some are impossible to miss, and others are more subtle. And, yeah, it matters less when they spawn 10 feet away from you, around a corner. Like the Poxburster that 'tics' once, then boom.

[lethal plover]

Because the game operates on dedicated servers
what

[random wolf]

Its not peer to peer.

There's dedicated servers lol.

[haughty schooner]

the player used to be the host, now they arent

[white badger]

Yeah, Del.. not p2p like VT

That's also why we will never have mods in DT

[lethal plover]

so dedicated servers are bad?

[long wharf]

they are not

[white badger]

Del, he literally said why in the sentence you quoted

[long wharf]

while modding is not going to happen, it also means cheating is much, much harder

[white badger]

It's because nobody can be latency-free. Nobody is the host.

[haughty schooner]

dedicated is fantastic, it just means that nobody will ever have 0 latency ever

[wise pecan]

They’re not bad, they just have consequences. One of those consequences is that everyone has some degree of latency, and latency can (and will) result in failed dodges, ghost swings, etc

[white badger]

Yeah, dedicated is overall better. Sometimes, you'd get Hosts who appeared to be at the end of a Tin-Cans-And-String setup in the Australian Outback or something.

[lethal plover]

lag may have affected many matches of mine, but there was rarely a point where it was like "I failed this because of lag instead of my skill" moment

[wise pecan]

You’ve never dodged a disabler and gotten hit by it anyways?

[lethal plover]

frame drops and crashes are more problematic for me than dodging

[wise pecan]

I’ve gone entire missions where 70% of my attacks are ghost bullets that do nothing

[lethal plover]

to the point of obviously it's the lag instead of my timing? Not really, the most is in that grey area where I possibly timed wrong

[tight saddle]

and it's not always latency or bad timing, dogs are buggy as fuck

[white badger]

There are definitely times when I think I timed the dodge right on a mutant, but got grabbed anyway. But I'm not good enough to be sure it was latency and not me messing up just a teense.

[wise pecan]

I mean, I don’t think it’s ever going to be obviously lag’s fault rather than a skill issue, which just obfuscates things, but I bet it’d be a lot easier/more consistent to dodge them without any latency

[lethal plover]

in elden ring PvP for instance the effect of lag was so much easier to spot

but in DT, I almost don't notice lag at all

[white badger]

For Axe/ Surge build... 123311?

[lethal plover]

what's your feat at 20?

[wise pecan]

I definitely notice lag’s effects in DT, though that might just be me having more of it

[white badger]

I always run Kinetic Deflection in any psyker build

[lethal plover]

you said 3 in 123311

[spare niche]

i need a voidstrike feat build pls?

pls halp

[white badger]

3 is top

[lethal plover]

are you fucking insane

[spare niche]

1 is top

always has been

[white badger]

Possibly

[mild tartan]

Kinetic flayer is pretty good with voidstrike

I'm pretty certain ive brainbursted multiple elites with one rmb attack

[lethal plover]

10% chance it saves your ass

not consistent at all, but can't expect too much from feats

[mild tartan]

psychic communion + warp battery + ascendent blaze seems universally good

[spare niche]

anyone got the talents for voidstrike? i have no idea as i dont use the staff

i wanna try it out

[burnt python]

3-2-2-1-3-3 is what i run

[spare niche]

ty bb

[burnt python]

you can take communion if you want warp charge maintenance but i dont find it as useful as aura

[robust cape]

why is the mark v axe preferred over other axes?

[gray kelp]

pushstab spam on mk5 I think

[robust cape]

i can do that on mk8 though?

[gray kelp]

havent used combat axes for a while so I don't remember if they're different animations/have different damage profiles or something

[burnt python]

i think mk8 pushattack does less dmg but i have not tested that one specifically

some of the axes push attack are h igh stagger / low dmg

mk V is only one im aware of that is high dmg as well

[mortal torrent]

can anyone help me with going out witha bang penance

[uneven sparrow]

O to gamble

[lethal plover]

it's so good it outstrips all other melee weapons
possibly except FS for deflector, or maybe dueling for dodging

balancing is whack

yet it seems the public do not yet know about the OP-ness of peril axe

[burnt python]

idk i see more axe psykers in damn qp than anything else

any other psyker melee i mean

[lethal plover]

damnation psykers, you're probably meeting many of fellow regulars

[burnt python]

true

[lethal plover]

it's such a small group rn. damnation always half empty

[gray kelp]

seems decent

[burnt python]

ive been having good luck with em filling up by 1/4 thru or so last couple days

[burnt python]

real solid

[lethal plover]

once Indypride or chocob or j_sat talks about peril axe that's when I know it's gone mainstream

[gray kelp]

not sure if the blast radius on mine hurts it a lot or not

[burnt python]

nah its not a big deal imo

when i tested quick it didnt feel like blast radius effected projectile size

just the explosion when u hit carapace

[mint imp]

The last boom I believe yes

[gray kelp]

ah ok, wouldnt be that bad then

[spare niche]

😮

[burnt python]

beauty

[lethal plover]

I have noticed uncharged void ball detonates mid horde

[tight saddle]

going to try this one for fun, trash mobs beware

just got it from gift

[burnt python]

damn that thing gonna eat hordes

[tight saddle]

rip no deflector on second roll, back to grinding more plasteels

[burnt python]

i mean that thing will be near perfect when you can reroll riposte for deflector

i really want slaughterer on mine

[tight saddle]

we'll be able to raise blessing tiers right? will we be able to raise perk tiers instead of only rerolling them?

[burnt python]

from my understanding you'll be able to combine lower level ones into a lvl 4 before applying it to weapon

idk if you can upgrade whats already on the wep

hopefully they are gonna let us control both blessings and not just 1 like perks

[tight saddle]

that 1 perk thing was so stupid

[burnt python]

has me worried bout blessings lol

[tight saddle]

I'd rather RNG roll both like VT than this only 1 thing

[burnt python]

things get a loooot more tedious if blessings are 1 only as well

[white badger]

Ok. Been testing the MKV. I am now Team Axe, definitely.

[wise pecan]

Honestly, I think if we just had any way to reliably get more of a weapon that we want, the one blessing/perk thing wouldn’t be an issue

[devout axle]

Obligatory poll repost
https://strawpoll.com/polls/2ayLWYkdMZ4

[river willow]

Oh man, dark modifier is super easy when you have a gun with a flashlight

[robust cape]

got to be careful with quickplay though, sometimes doesn't give you a chance to pick a weapon with a flashlight

[echo parrot]

Another reset, another on for the collection

[white badger]

Do you use knives as a psyker? Or just collect? 🙂

[echo parrot]

Both

[white badger]

I do love the movement speed with them. But I have trouble staying alive against hordes. Skill issue, I am sure.

[echo parrot]

Many times I have had to solo hordes with said knife, not much of an issue for me.

Might want to try the mk V axe if you are having issues

Its very good

[white badger]

I am using that axe now 🙂

[echo parrot]

Nice

[low arch]

psyker is best class i am rank 1

[tight saddle]

fuck I want that knife

[echo parrot]

I am still holding out for a 380 %80 mobility

So could be better

[tight saddle]

yeah but I have never gotten any knifes remotely close to that one

[echo parrot]

It was def a hell of a lucky roll

[native hound]

had a dark map run where no one had any light source. my only staff is a void staff so I hope they enjoyed all the flash bombs

[azure cave]

Purgatus is the best flashlight

[spiral remnant]

I remember hearing that 380 was the “maximum” possible modifier score

Haas that been confirmed?

[echo pilot]

i am happy if i can reroll the perks and blessing 🙂

[spiral remnant]

You can only reroll one perk unfortunately

[echo pilot]

well thats great

only will reroll bonus dmg

against armored enemies

[spare niche]

wtf

also voidstrike staff is op on malice

LOL

[mint imp]

I'm still waiting for a deflector sword

[echo pilot]

i am waiting so that i can put that blessing on my sword

[mint imp]

At this rate i'll have found another game before I roll one in the shop

[echo pilot]

i have plenty

[mint imp]

[echo pilot]

[mint imp]

Wish we could trade! Would be so noice

[echo pilot]

yeah i hope too

[lethal plover]

it's good, but don't think it will let you solo gunmen line. all your habits from before are still good, just that now you can clutch revive and re-position better

[heavy zealot]

is there a reason that warp charges don't deplete one at a time?

them depleting all at once makes it really technical to manage but it's still fun

[mild tartan]

Drop or consecration? Haven't really started damnation yet but I get occasionally good drops on heresy

[echo pilot]

it was a green item

upgraded it

[faint walrus]

Opinion?

[mild tartan]

niice

[echo pilot]

but i got 1 470 drop

[mild tartan]

run n gun lol

[faint walrus]

yaeh right lmao

Seems like a very speedrun staff

[mint imp]

Haha it's mainly I want to try the blessing, I have no plan to play harder than Malice because I'm simply not skilled enough, I just want to enjoy trying out some other things

[mild tartan]

warp flurry is good tho

[uneven sparrow]

Right but a bursting play style will keep them maintaned

[mild tartan]

I want a warp flurry + quell staff only have the latter and another blessing I forogt

[lethal plover]

what level are you?
Well no worry, once you get bored with winning too much you will naturally move up

[mild tartan]

Heresy really isn't that bad if your team obsesses over coherency

Low intensity heresy is easier than regular malice sometimes it feels like lol

[mint imp]

Eh really?! Might try sometimes then, I tried Heresy like 3 times and I was 100% deadweight

[spiral remnant]

What’s a good way to farm plasteel?

I usually run heresy/malice

[mint imp]

I'm lvl 30 as well

[spiral remnant]

And only get 100-150 plasteel per run

[lethal plover]

low intensity is good way to get used to new damage and stats

[spiral remnant]

On heresy, I can consistently get 100-120 Diamantine

Sometimes I’ll even get more diamantine than plasteel

[mild tartan]

Yes the diamantine drops are much better once you start on heresy

[spiral remnant]

Yeah but now I need plasteel 😭

I got 900 diamantine and 400 plasteel

[mild tartan]

I havent run out of plasteel once yet what do people even use it on?

[spiral remnant]

Upgrades..

[mild tartan]

I know consecration costs it but I always lose diamantine first

[spiral remnant]

How?

[mild tartan]

No clue lol

[ivory marsh]

you are sleeping while your teammates are down cuz they are essentially 1 person down in terms of helping kill shit

[spiral remnant]

Your diamantine/plasteel income should be roughly even once you start running heresy

[mild tartan]

I guess malice has the plasteel to diamantine ratio and I played a ton of those for a while

[spiral remnant]

2:1 on malice

And it’s sometimes even higher than 1:1 on heresy

[royal granite]

i wish we could put the force staff in the melee slot

[spiral remnant]

Why???

[mild tartan]

Gun + staff build?

[spiral remnant]

Melee is so important to defending yourself

[royal granite]

gun + staff build

[spiral remnant]

Having a fun would be nice but

[lethal plover]

except if you stopped being an idiot you'd know that part is just about surviving sporadic mobs from behind

[mild tartan]

lel

[royal granite]

just remove the generic ranged staff attack and give it a block

force sword style kinetic barrier

easy

[vestal finch]

A gift from the Emperor himself, what do you think?

[shadow quail]

staff block would be amazing

[uneven sparrow]

Imagine having fun

[spiral remnant]

Solid

[uneven sparrow]

Sickening

[spiral remnant]

Oops, gun

[royal granite]

higher mobility would be nice but at least you have deflector

[vestal finch]

Higher damage would be nice...

[spiral remnant]

Hmm. Theoretically the “ max” rating of an item is 380 base, 2x T4 for 110, and 2x 25 rating for 50

So 540 is the current max I think

[vestal finch]

This tells us very litle, sibling.

[spiral remnant]

540 is the max gear rating for weapons

[vestal finch]

This tells me very little

[mild tartan]

All you have to do is check the shop and challenge shop obsessively

[spiral remnant]

Must be a ogryn player

[mild tartan]

and eventually you could get very close!

[shadow quail]

im still getting 460's lol

[mild tartan]

I want a better staff but havent seen a decent surge or void one in shop for days

[white badger]

OK - so switching from Force Sword to the MK V Axe has changed my psyker

's life

[mild tartan]

MK V Axe gang represent

[white badger]

This is a great weapon

[shadow quail]

any good?

[uneven sparrow]

gamers rise up

[shadow quail]

never really used dueling before tbh

[white badger]

Axe-Wielding SpaceWizards!

[mild tartan]

really good blessings I think, I like the dueling sword for animations/aesthetics

[terse orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-wwe-wrestler-just-woke-up-bad-mood-gif-5289437

[mild tartan]

Cant say if its super effective overall

been on an axe forever

[tight saddle]

which dueling mk has only stabby poke heavies?

[burnt python]

2 i think

[white badger]

It's just so much safer when you're overwhelmed.

[terse orbit]

Anyways finished leveling all my characters to 30 so now I can focus on my psyker again

[vestal finch]

What use is a Psyker to us?

[spiral remnant]

I personally like the combat knife

Very pokey pokey

[mild tartan]

I'm not touching any other classes until I finish my last few penances LOL

im so close just need pick n mix and monstronum

[spiral remnant]

And the little animations make me feel like I’m using a fidget toy

[white badger]

Have Vet and Psyker at 30... working on Ogryn now.

[terse orbit]

I did vet last

[tight saddle]

I want to main combat knife but the game won't give me an okay one much less a good one

[vestal finch]

It is a shame I can't use Mind in Motion and Kinetic Deflection at the same time

[uneven sparrow]

Mind in motion is for classy psykers

[white badger]

The key to Mind in Motion is to Never use it, so you don't miss it 😉

[unkempt juniper]

not bad tbh, could use a higher mobility and penetration stat but if its the highest dmg and finesse you've seen so far pick it up

[shadow quail]

It was a gift

[white badger]

Gift?

How'd that work?

[tight saddle]

I forget what Mind in Motion is every time someone mentions it since it's so bad

[vestal finch]

It's weird, so many feats just have a best in slot that completely outmatches every other option

[vestal finch]

It is not.

You move faster while quelling

[tight saddle]

it is lmfao

[vestal finch]

That's it

[shadow quail]

From the Emperor

[vestal finch]

it's great

[tight saddle]

Mind in Motion is trash

[tight saddle]

do you not slide while casting/quenching?

[white badger]

Movement speed while quelling with a staff is still pretty good.

[elder rivet]

maybe a bit low in modifiers :/ I never get a 380 staff

[white badger]

That's solid enough

[vestal finch]

_ _

[tight saddle]

You can slide sideways and backwards while casting/quenching, you can quickly turn your camera to the side and slide to the side and then turn your camera back where you were going and it moves you "forward"

[mild tartan]

So this is the best staff I've been able to get; the base rating is 360 then correct? So its base stats are really good so its lacking in terms of perks and blessings is what I can gather?

[night crane]

Imagine getting a staff in the shop

[tight saddle]

Quench/Cast + dodge + crouch = Slide while quenching/casting = Mind in Motion is trash

[mild tartan]

yeah didnt find much use for mind in motion at all

[white badger]

360 is a good base

[tight saddle]

do you slide while casting/quenching?

[terse orbit]

Sometimes

If I remember to do so

[fresh reef]

Anyone else think Deflector should just be base kit?

[ocean tusk]

Yep, I've seen nothing but guns for the past dozen shops. Hopefully there'll be a purge staff once I finally reach level 18

[mild tartan]

I had that staff I posted drop and since then I've literally gotten like 8 transcendant guns in a row

[terse orbit]

It should since it would let us grab a better blessing

[mild tartan]

which I do not use

[idle bay]

So i was keeping list of missions i did on Heresy. since game does not tell you which you completed on which difficulty for Penance. Completed 7 different types. Marked them down as i gone. And.... Penance says 6/7....

[night crane]

I'm at like 20 and haven't seen a fire staff at all

[mild tartan]

hmmmm same, I wonder if I've done all of them but its not counting either then

[night crane]

I've seen ONE lightning

[idle bay]

Reapir, Assault, DoubleAss, Raid, Disruption, Investigation, Strike.... And now i'll need to go all 7 again to be sure.

[mild tartan]

Though I think I still need to do investigation maybe or the vault one

[lethal plover]

mind in motion: If I'm safe to quell, I don't need it.
If I'm not safe to quell (pressed by melee / boss / need to move because of gunmen), I just switch to axe to autoquell

[night crane]

and one or two each of the others

[lucid mortar]

Espionage is a type too

[white badger]

Yep. And Peril on Block is too good not to have. It may be the psyker's best trait

[terse orbit]

Probably missing repair

[lethal plover]

the game's best feat actually

[idle bay]

So there are 8 types?

[idle bay]

That's the one i'm intended to check the most

[mild tartan]

If you wanna run through it whenever its available Im down

[idle bay]

Ok 🙂

[terse orbit]

I never like doing repair solo since no one can figure out to just toss the rods to the upper floor

[idle bay]

When it's without Lights-out 🙂

[mild tartan]

lol yes

[white badger]

I hate lights out 🙂

[mild tartan]

I actually really like it

but yes its a pain

[white badger]

Some people love it.. but it's just too hard to keep track of stuff behind you

[idle bay]

So there ARE 8 Mission types not 7 🙂

[sick fractal]

Lights-Out scary as hell sometimes, dont notice deamonhost and then it just starts floating up and everyone just runs away

[idle bay]

And sometimes he just randomly spawn out thing air

[terse orbit]

I've only done two low visibility ones

Everytime I get home from work they end all the cool events

[sick fractal]

had 2 spawn in a single damnation run with LO active and both blocked our paths

[shadow quail]

seems like daemonhosts love light's out we had loads

[idle bay]

Have a Shield ogryn or Axe+ Kinetic block psyker for that case 🙂

[mild tartan]

Yeah they spawn them a lot more but they're weaker I think

[sick fractal]

i was the KB psyker sadly

had to sit there tanking it

hordes spawned both times

[tight saddle]

nearly every single time people say this there is always a way to go around them, even the people with screenshots and video evidence. There are a lot of alternate paths that are hard to notice and you can get closer to it than you think to go around it.

Maybe there are some really really rare fringe cases, but I personally haven't seen those

[lethal plover]

there is always a way to go around

their positions are hard coded

it's game design

also game design to spawn a horde as you try to run past it

in which case a dumb team would forget to back off

[runic hornet]

also game design to have enemy riflemen literally grouphugging hte daemonhost

to bait shitters who don't ping-scout into shooting them

PING. EVERYTHING.

[acoustic spade]

or have Surge staff bounce into it when its lights out and you have no idea where it is

[shadow quail]

you can sneak really close to them too

[terse orbit]

I had a mutant throw me into a host once

[lethal plover]

what is KB psyker

[terse orbit]

The team was also wiped by the same mutant

[acoustic spade]

then get kinetic flayer to trigger off of it so it gets multiple ticks of damage

[tight saddle]

that's the alternate path to death

[sick fractal]

at least for my runs most of the time on Damnation, we dont notice it at first and its already spawned up and shaking around about to activate, try to sneak around and it's just too late by then, gota deal with it or someone becomes the sacrifice while the others run for it

[uneven sparrow]

People don’t use sneak in this despite there being marked opportunities to ambush and stealth

🥷

[mild tartan]

Kinetic shield vs deflection

[sick fractal]

meant KD, kinetic deflection

[acoustic spade]

"sneak" ?

you mean crouch walking?

[white badger]

I just had a run with a DH right in the middle of a narrow hallway, with zero other routes

[acoustic spade]

does it actually do something

[tight saddle]

stop making it sound uncool

[acoustic spade]

Ive had daemonhost aggro to me when attempting to crouchwalk past it

[uneven sparrow]

Sprinting unseen and not aggroing also fits into the definition

[burnt python]

does crouching matter? i usually just sprint by em w/ no issue lol

[mild tartan]

Unless you run right up to that motherfucker or actually hit it its pretty easy to not wake it up

[tight saddle]

nah it's just proximity I'm pretty sure, and its range is smaller than it seems

[static epoch]

if you hit an enemy standing next to it, it will trigger

[uneven sparrow]

I often think

[devout axle]

I don't.

[uneven sparrow]

You know vet/zealot, I wouldn’t mind you blasting ahead if you didnt trip every single alarm

[uneven sparrow]

I know poll guy I know

[devout axle]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/2ayLWYkdMZ4

[mild tartan]

The Seer is literally me

[lethal plover]

is it known that BB is more stealthy than gunshot, in terms of triggering the daemonhost?

[devout axle]

A solipsistic parrot with voices in his head?

[burnt python]

bb illegal

[lethal plover]

because I swear my team mates were too scared to shoot while I was BB-ing

[burnt python]

you're supposed to pretend bb has no uses so they make us op

[vestal finch]

This poll website sucks, doesn't let me see results without voting

[uneven sparrow]

I had a feeling loner would top

[mild tartan]

is loner the german or the jamaican

I cant remember

[vestal finch]

German

[runic hornet]

he's the funniest psyker by far

[mild tartan]

yes he seems most common

[vestal finch]

By the Five Rusting Spires!

[runic hornet]

he's so over-the-top german

[tight saddle]

Besides the schizo parts, Savant is the most normal person breaking the 4th wall reaction to being in the 40K universe.

[mild tartan]

Yes he sounds like he runs a medical experimentation lab in his spare time

[uneven plume]

Discovered a new Psyker ability today. Firing bullets through sheer force of will.

[hoary hearth]

Is voidstrike currently meta and how big is the gap between it and the rest of the staffs?

[mild tartan]

Surge is meta actually at highest difficulty I think

Void is in firm 2nd imo

[devout axle]

Every staff is viable at all levels of play.

[uneven sparrow]

I mean personally, I like the seer, because he’s fully nuts

[vestal finch]

I'm not sure what you're saying?

[devout axle]

However, people do have preferences. And the preferences are heavily Surge and Void.

[sick fractal]

i forget which one i am is called, talks about his beloved all the time

[mild tartan]

Pretty much all the staves are usable but trauma is memed on the most because it is plainly the least useful overall

[devout axle]

The Seer

[mild tartan]

thats the seer yes

[tight saddle]

Voidstrike is popular because of how versatile it is, but it's not the best at anything. Also all staffs work well even though Trauma has some issues it still does fine in Damnation

[cloud flare]

Hello there. New Psyker here. What's the best melee weapon? So far, I've only been getting Force Sword in the shops. Currently level 8.

[vestal finch]

When veteran has more votes than Trauma...

[kindred delta]

does anyone have tips

[tight saddle]

it depends on your playstyle, but popular choices are force sword, combat axe MK V, combat axe MK V, dueling sword, and combat knife.

[uneven sparrow]

The seer reminds me of Sheogorath from the game Oblivion

[mild tartan]

tips for what?

[devout axle]

I have no comment except

[runic hornet]

Trauma staff NEEDS every stat at 80 is the thing

[uneven sparrow]

He’s just fully looney tunes

[kindred delta]

@mild tartan warp battery

[runic hornet]

A low level trauma staff is heartbreakingly awful to use

[mild tartan]

Trauma just feels like voidstrike but lamer and less accurate imo

[sick fractal]

Kinetic Barrage and just spam BB as often as you can

[runic hornet]

It needs to charge fast, with a maximum size blast, quell fast, and actually kill the enemy when it hits

[mild tartan]

I got that earlier today

[kindred delta]

dont have kinetic barrage

[vestal finch]

The Seer speaks to the Carrion Lord himself

[cloud flare]

Thank you kind sir. Big no-no on the axes for me so I'll give the dueling sword a try.... If it ever shows up.

[kindred delta]

not level 30 yet

[mild tartan]

just make sure you don''t have warp battery on and make sure you're constantly brainbursting ofc

psychic communion helps too

[tight saddle]

wtf, every time I see it I love it

[lethal plover]

void can't do 360 push, sends dogs flying without aiming, knocks crushers down
Does void even one shot bursters?

[sick fractal]

just gota play very selfish for it, use BB even on the minion horde enemies

[tight saddle]

There is a specific thing you abuse on the MKV combat axe that trivializes the game, but it's boring to use and you don't use it like any other axe.

[kindred delta]

yeah thats what I was doing, i was playing with an incompetent team though so they kept getting downed

[runic hornet]

Trauma does way more damage than void, problem is HP thresholds are very high on damnation meaning you need a fully charged trauma to even hope to oneshot things, which is awkward

[mild tartan]

Yeah your team has to pick up the slack since you're not gonna be as effective as usual

[uneven sparrow]

Does the 10% burst feat give stacks?

[ocean tusk]

What's the fastest way to level up? I really want to get to level 18 as soon as possible

[runic hornet]

Trauma also has an absolutely pants-on-head massive explosion for stagger

[echo parrot]

Mk V axe cheese combo is what you use if you dont like dodging. Change my mind.

[mild tartan]

Also helps if they know to avoid killing the enemies you're trying to bb

[runic hornet]

I have a video showing it repeatedly stumbling and eventually killing trash mobs trapped against a wall

[tight saddle]

MK V is for people who want to play while watching Youtube

[lethal plover]

You just rejected the best horde clearer in the game

[tight saddle]

so boring

[echo parrot]

LOL

[runic hornet]

I tried it. It's not perfect, you have vulnerable frames whenever you push attack. It's not perfect

[cloud flare]

Vet main here. Already tried all three axes, they're really not my cup of tea.

[hoary hearth]

I'm not sure I'm using surge staf right, do i just spam lightning without charging?

[kindred delta]

[sick fractal]

you mean the auto burst from Kinetic Flayer? yes

[echo parrot]

Knife is best

[mild tartan]

I mean, depends on what's happejning lol

[runic hornet]

yes, min charges are actually comparable to charges in terms of perils/damage ratio

[tight saddle]

It's a Psyker specific thing that you won't be able to use on Vet

[cloud flare]

Then again, I never liked any of the axes in VT so... yeah...

[lethal plover]

no disrespect
but vets suck at axe because they don't peril block

[runic hornet]

If your charge rate stat is bad (and it's the stat you probably want to dump) min charges are actually better raw damage per second over time

[mild tartan]

I love how weighty the axes feel and one shotting most enemies, even without the cheesy push mechanic

[devout axle]

When I play my Vet, I can't help but shoot anything that has a glowy blue head. It's instinct, it cannot be helped. And no-one is to be blamed for it.

[runic hornet]

The cheesy push mechanic is overrated IMO
You get to push a lot but you basically just have a mk1 catachan sword at that point

and the sword can roll really dank cleave blessings

[mild tartan]

lol its only a pain in the ass when trying to do that specific penance otherwise I barely bb much

[runic hornet]

i tried it and found it a novelty more than OP