psyker-class

[gritty perch]

*Braced Autogun

depends on class.

[wicked grove]

My team usually has a flamer zealot while I'm the surge psyker

[vital bough]

Okay, then what does the Power buffs from blessings like Thrust base its' numbers off what? Where does it gather my power stat from?

[gritty perch]

Well, a flamer is never a bad idea, but apparently Mk. VIII Braced Autogun + Eviscerator is better for Damnation

If you're a Psyker? Not sure.

I hear the electrostaff or go you're trolling.

[grave bobcat]

I kind of agree but revolver is for griefing ❤️

Bringing a gun again

lul

[cyan notch]

i would use revolver if it had more ammo

[burnt python]

gotta turn my brightness up lmao

[echo parrot]

We did it

[gritty perch]

revolver needs to have high penetration by default to compensate for low crit. like, make the revolver specifically for taking out elites.

[echo parrot]

We beat darktide

[grave bobcat]

Dwarf was that your first heresy?

On blackout?

[hollow stirrup]

@grave bobcat @echo parrot @burnt python and me gaming

[hollow stirrup]

yep

and I shouldn't have used shield

[grave bobcat]

It's usually a lot easier 🥲

But blackout looked fun lol

[tired shuttle]

We are members of the guard here to give the emperor's mercy to any furry mutants present

[hollow stirrup]

this thing is wank

[burnt python]

really didnt get penance, no idea

[hollow stirrup]

back to stab stab

[cloud maple]

I love my og's shield. Does it not perform on Heresy?

[burnt python]

some1 trollin me

[gritty perch]

sigh

[grave bobcat]

I think it didn't die on the 2nd? one

When I died

[hollow stirrup]

it's not great if your teammates don't need shielding

[grave bobcat]

Not sure

[cyan notch]

blackout is super easy there are less enemies and the enemies have less range too

[hollow stirrup]

which these folks defo didn't

lmao

[burnt python]

yeah if the 4 lives thing is how it works

[grave bobcat]

I thought it teleported away

[burnt python]

it did

[grave bobcat]

Yeah mbad

I'll show you waht I was dealing with lmfao

[hollow stirrup]

4 daemonhosts in that mission overall

[burnt python]

no worries at all, i appreciate the willingness to try

[onyx oracle]

The one with the more crit chance on emply mag is better thanks to the exploit 😛

[tight saddle]

I forget the specifics to Power, but Power affects damage, stagger, and some other variables. Thrust would only affect those properties on that weapon. Some perks/blessings do universally affect other things, but as of right now there are inconsistency issues where we don't know if they were intended or not since Fatshart hasn't communicated that with us.

[tired shuttle]

Burn the mutant death to the heretic

[burnt python]

and ty ogryn homie you honorary psyker now

[cloud maple]

Yeah been leveling my Ogryn on Malice with no lights for the extra XP and it's hectic but mostly successful

[gritty perch]

yeah, this was both good and bad...

I got it as an "emperor's gift"

[grave bobcat]

Lame it doesn't show my fps

[burnt python]

my game was chuggin, in beta it ran better during that modifier

[trail garnet]

This is my monstrosity/boss shredder Mk VId Recon Lasgun, Dueling sword feat build

[grave bobcat]

See here where my game just freezes when she hits me? That kept on happening CONSTANTLY

Was fine once I restarted though lol

[vital bough]

Okay I understand all of that, but what I'm trying to specifically figure out is this:
When it gives that % bonus to the weapon, what is it looking at to determine my power? How can I increase my power?
Is it the overall ilvl of my gear? Is it ONLY based on my weapon, and it's base stats on damage and pen?
I'm just trying to figure out what the source of the power stat is

[burnt python]

host seems like a rough way to get that if the 4x kill thing is how it works

too much room for shit to go wrong

[tight saddle]

oh yeah power does affect damage you take, but it's all really wonky right now since there are a ton of bugs with blessings

[grave bobcat]

Whats the penance called

So I can look

[burnt python]

malleus monstratum or some shit

somethin monstratum

[gritty perch]

I want malleus monstratum

[vital bough]

Okay but where does the power come from? The weapon? All my items?

[grave bobcat]

OH

[trail garnet]

Need to get me some 500+s though..

[gritty perch]

you can get that with a nurgle beast right?

[grave bobcat]

I didn't know we could ONLY use BB

[burnt python]

ahahah yeah, only 1 person at a time too

90% dmg by 1 person

u troll

😄

[echo parrot]

Wooow

[grave bobcat]

holy crap

[echo parrot]

Know what that means right

[gritty perch]

90% damage with one person AND kill.

[echo parrot]

We gotta go again

[burnt python]

i am laughing my ass off right now

[gritty perch]

you have to kill it AS WELL

you can't just do 90% damage and someone else kill it

[burnt python]

we know bael i just tried 4x in one mission

[grave bobcat]

Hmm so I guess just tank the daemon host and use a low damage weapon to proc the 10% BB?

[gritty perch]

just making sure :3

[burnt python]

nope if you are tanking u cant be the one to do achievement

have to take turns

[grave bobcat]

Wait what

[burnt python]

1 tank 1 damager

only 1 person can dmg

[echo parrot]

Just hold block with knife

Doesnt damage

[grave bobcat]

Ye the tank is the guy who does dmg

as well

[burnt python]

naw you just poke to get initial aggro

[warm latch]

just have a ogryn tank the deamon with a shield deployed. then BB it to death easy

[dusky smelt]

what yall think

[warm latch]

thats how I got mine

[echo parrot]

You dont need to poke it

Just walk into it

[grave bobcat]

I was swinging at her the whole time between dodges 🥲

[echo parrot]

I do it all the time

WOW

TROLL

[grave bobcat]

Which is also why I died BUT ping diff

[burnt python]

hahaha

[echo parrot]

Alright, we need a 4th fill

[grave bobcat]

I didn't know it only had to be 1 person

mbad mbad

lol

[burnt python]

laughing out loud over this

[warm latch]

that is super good

[echo parrot]

Lets get purple their monsturm

[burnt python]

i can't go again rn told a friend i'd play some valheim, down to run with you guys another time for sure though

happy to help others get it too

[grave bobcat]

np

[echo parrot]

Ahh alrighty then

[grave bobcat]

hf

[burnt python]

gonna add you on steam as well ana

[grave bobcat]

idk doesn't seem that hard ngl lol

[dusky smelt]

this new mode is fun af

[burnt python]

its not super hard just gotta know what to do 😛

[grave bobcat]

I think the giant rhino ogryn thing would be easiest no?

[burnt python]

ya

[echo parrot]

Its really only hard in pubs or premades with no psyker with peril block or ogryn with shield

[dusky smelt]

i like just running around purge staffing

[warm latch]

is the Pick n' Mix just a nightmare for anyone else?

[dusky smelt]

for vision

[echo parrot]

You saw me dodging around in circles for awhile

[grave bobcat]

Woooooops

[dusky smelt]

pick n mix is the hardest cosmetic penence rn i thinl

[grave bobcat]

I literally came down on that hoe swinging like crazy

ahahahah

[dusky smelt]

u need a team AND rng

[grave bobcat]

literally griefing

[echo parrot]

Nah, plauge ogryn can knock you around and shit and change aggro, Daemonhost stays on one person and just swipes you

[grave bobcat]

Was just thinking ogryn cause least hp I think

And easiest to cast BB between attacks

[echo parrot]

Hp is not the issue, its prediction and control

[dusky smelt]

i havent tried but how good are we at tanking daemonhost w/ kinetic deflection

[grave bobcat]

Pretty damn good

[burnt python]

when ana had it at top of stairs that seemed like best case scenario

[grave bobcat]

If you were in our last game

lmfao

[burnt python]

clean little loop

[echo parrot]

LIterally two other teammates can focus down anythign else that comes up since one is damagign the host and the other is just tanking in circles.

Very predictable kiting and such

[grave bobcat]

My bad I didn't read the specifics

I thought we just had to kill the host 4 times on blackout map

mbad

[burnt python]

its ok, we can help eachother grab it another time!

[echo parrot]

All good

I have tanked that thing

[grave bobcat]

idc about penances anyway so I'll just help you lot when you need it

[echo parrot]

So many times for people

[burnt python]

that one specifically gives a sweet chest piece, the one ana had

only reason i care lol

[echo parrot]

Its easy after awhile

[opaque temple]

having an ogryn with a shield stand in a corner will reduce the demon host's flailing

it'll move around less and be easier to headshot

[grave bobcat]

BB

Headshot

😄

Aiming

Lmao warned for spamming sarcasm 🥲

[dusky smelt]

i wish the daemonhost would stop throwing me away before i melee special it

[grave bobcat]

aight then what now

[burnt python]

me tryna kill gunners in the dark

[grave bobcat]

Gun said he wanted to join earlier

[opaque temple]

the only thing I don't like about it is how it pushes away targets who are behind it

[echo parrot]

Ill pass

[opaque temple]

very obnoxious behavior

[echo parrot]

Going to take a break after the next shop[ reset

So just going to chill in the hub

[grave bobcat]

Kayy

[dusky smelt]

script hunting in the dark sucks

[grave bobcat]

Imma get few more games in before bedge

[burnt python]

i thought i was being smart takin a las gun with flashlight

weakest flash light i ever done seen

[grave bobcat]

lmfaso

I think I fired my gun 20? ish times

[burnt python]

useful for highlighting 3 square feet at a time

[echo parrot]

Cal do you have monstrum?

[dusky smelt]

i just purge left click as i walk

[grave bobcat]

I don't think so 😄

Whats that

[burnt python]

LOL

idk whats real anymore

[echo parrot]

Its the thing we were literally just talking about

[burnt python]

cal has scrambled my perception of reality

[grave bobcat]

PJ

OH

LOL

[echo parrot]

You get this chestpeice from doing it

And is also a requirement to eventually get the goggle hood

[grave bobcat]

Yee I've never been bothered about cosmetics etc 🥲

[crimson pond]

I actually finished the “Pick d’ and Mix” challenge 🥹

[echo parrot]

But dat drip though

[burnt python]

yeah your psyker is looking mighty fine

[grave bobcat]

Drip is meh, max roll weapons are forever

[burnt python]

big fan of the penance cosmetics

[trail garnet]

Whered u get the goggles?

[grave bobcat]

Also i was wearing the prison shit until 30 and people started leaving my games cause "Don't want fresh lvl 30 in heresy"

I put the clothes on

[burnt python]

home depot 😎

[burnt python]

lmao

[crimson pond]

Completing all the challenges

[trail garnet]

ah its a penance one nice

[echo parrot]

Last tier of Kinetic Killer

Also nothing new in the prem shop

Am sad

[trail garnet]

I have to wait for my friends to get their asses in gear so i can have a group to complete my penances

[grave bobcat]

idk game cosmetics don't even beep on my radar at all lol

I've always been default skin andy in whatever game I played

[crimson pond]

All I need is 50 more missions and I’ll have that helmet/hood with goggles

[echo parrot]

I like to kick ass and look good doing it

[lethal plover]

apparently lasgun doesn't work on crushers @bleak sonnet

[vital bough]

So what's the axe that I heard Psyker can use, that does damage on push?

[echo parrot]

And psyker has the best penance cosmetics in the game

[lethal plover]

mk 5

[bleak sonnet]

not when i cant see them LOL

[vital bough]

What's the rest of the name?

[crimson pond]

I don’t know the Ogryn does have some drip

[lethal plover]

Antax

[echo parrot]

Alrighty everyon, pray to the omnisiah that I am able to get more knives

[trail garnet]

I like the bane drip on ogryn

[vital bough]

Right okay.

But I'm in the meatgrinder right now and it doesn't do any damage on shove.

[echo parrot]

I pretty much buy up every knife that hits the armory.

[river willow]

My beloved says you will get more knives, anabel, and they'll be beautiful

[grave bobcat]

There is something special about a default free2play skin absolutely dunking on you that warms my heart 🥲

[hot tulip]

when penance > the entirety of cash store tbh

[lethal plover]

Are you complaining about living forever and chewing through hordes? Just play and you will see it

[echo parrot]

For that to be valid you need to be able to dunk on me.

[grave bobcat]

Pick an fps

[echo parrot]

Overwatch

[river willow]

24

[grave bobcat]

Worst one for you to choose 🥲

[vital bough]

I'm not...?

I'm just observing that it doesn't do damage on shove

Cause I'm testing it out right now and it doesn't do shove damage

[lethal plover]

Push attack

Not push

[vital bough]

YES

[echo parrot]

Hit masters in OW1, think I would like my chances.

[grave bobcat]

I haven't played OW2 yet but my old rank was 4500 😛

[echo parrot]

Oh damn girl

GM

Hella impress

[grave bobcat]

Luckily I have an arm injury nowadays that fucks me sideways when I try to aim

So know, you're beating up a disabled person

[vital bough]

You're talking about the attack AFTER the push? Like the normal light attack?

[lethal plover]

that's the push attack

pushing is not attacking

[echo parrot]

Counter: You are playing against an american. The handicap is even.

Hurr durr

[grave bobcat]

You're mentally handicapped not physically!

[river willow]

It's a different attack after a push most of the time

[bleak sonnet]

can vouch

[grave bobcat]

Not the same thing!

[remote tusk]

hold attack when blocking. THen you will do a push followed by an attack

[bleak sonnet]

helioman just 3 man res

in damnation lights out

:P

with axe

[vital bough]

Wtf nobody has told me this and I'm almost positive the game has never told me lol

[remote tusk]

haha, happy to help!

[lethal plover]

It has

[vital bough]

I always let go after block

or the push i mean

[echo parrot]

All the twitch reaction and tracking in the world cannot save someone from shit positining and horrible game sense.

[lethal plover]

It's in basic training

[echo parrot]

You know this to be true.

[river willow]

One of my friends who I played vermintide with just found out about push attacks

Like, two days ago

[grave bobcat]

You'd be surprised tbh lol

[lethal plover]

Gotta do the tutorials

[echo parrot]

5 mins until shop and then I am outta here

I need to take a rest on the couch

Tired

[grave bobcat]

I'm getting there

[river willow]

I found a decent knife in the shop c:

[tight saddle]

I lied and mixed two different things up, power does work like VT2 where it adds up all your gears rating, but as of right now it's not worth it to stack rating since we don't have proper crafting to pick and choose what perks/blessings we want. So it's better to go for specific perks/blessings than rating since certain perks/blessings have much better synergy with some weapons than others based on the weapons properties. So chasing the correct perks/blessings makes you more powerful than the total power you get from high rating equipment that doesn't have those correct perks/blessings for said equipment. Once we have crafting available (the fucked up version they're giving us in Darktide,) we will be able to start focusing more on total rating since we'll be able to increase the rating of the good perks/blessings, something we have no agency on at the moment.

[vital bough]

So... My understanding of gear score = power is more or less correct...?

like I know there's more under-the-hood to it but that's how I've more or less had it explained to me.

[onyx oracle]

There are some blessing that are lower rating but more desirable. And the main gear score is near always better unless your power level is crap low.

[tight saddle]

Yes, but AS OF RIGHT NOW correct perks/blessings + gear score > correct perks/blessings > gear score

[vital bough]

Right so theoretically the best weapon is a mix of high ilvl for power, and t4 perks that match what you want.

[tight saddle]

Yeah

[echo parrot]

Not a single knife in my shop

Sad rabbit

Time for rest now

[tight saddle]

I got mixed up in my frustration with the current state of Darktide, sorry about that.

[vital bough]

lol np

[onyx oracle]

are we in psyker channel? Knife?

For a moment thought Zealot channel 😛

[echo parrot]

I only use a knife, read my name 😛

[vital bough]

Knife = I run fast = I see diamantine/plasteel first = I'm rich

[tight saddle]

Knifeker is fun af you should try it

[remote tusk]

Anabel casts stab

[south monolith]

Gear score doesn't matter as much as the bars being stated in the way you want it though. Bar stat priority for your goals makes the biggest difference.

[echo parrot]

I have like

12 kinves in my inventory I think

[lethal plover]

What's the secondary

[echo parrot]

I need more

[echo parrot]

Surge staff

[tight saddle]

lies, it's probably another knife

[echo parrot]

If only

:V

[vital bough]

Right so what I'm thinking is, basically the power buffs on blessings, for instance a 20% buff on Thrust, would give a 20% bonus to all the stats on the bars...? Maybe...?

[tight saddle]

throwing force knifes when Fatshart

[lethal plover]

That's gonna be rough for clearing hordes I guess

[tight saddle]

like GW2 Virtuoso magic throwing knifes

[remote tusk]

surge is so good when close ranged, especially with the animation cancelling

[echo parrot]

I dont have issues honestly. Cal can attest to that in the game we just ran.

Very easy to herd them tbh

[grave bobcat]

Glad my internet just decided to shut itself :’)

[echo parrot]

Rip

[hot tulip]

alright im actually schizo af rn but

[echo parrot]

Cal

[lean kayak]

eyo

[echo parrot]

No knives in my shop

[hot tulip]

if you run triple wound relics

[echo parrot]

I am sad

[grave bobcat]

It’s the once a month tantrum

Sup

L

They’re in mine

[hot tulip]

you can actually play suicide bomber

[echo parrot]

Gimme

[worthy wasp]

Ye tbh I'd prefer if we got to reroll everything but base stats but I'd be okay with only being able to reroll 1 perk and 1 blessing

[grave bobcat]

Naw you got enough knives and my deflector swords

[lean kayak]

new psycher here, came after completing vet

[south monolith]

The bars are totaled up and are weighed against each damage type, that is where the damage chart numbers come from. All modifiers are added up and applied to the base damage, which again are the chart numbers

[grave bobcat]

You’ve had enough!

[lean kayak]

how do You do fellow psychers

[echo parrot]

If only trading was a thing lol

[grave bobcat]

Was it ever a thing in vt?

[echo parrot]

I would legit trade my 373 deflector FS for a 380 knife

I dont like FS

[glossy bough]

Huh

[worthy wasp]

FS is great, but def overrated

[vital bough]

Too bad the only thing you can kamikazi in t4 or 5 or some gunners lol

Everything else survives

[tight saddle]

tbh the Zealot channel is, most often times, better about "use whatever you want everything is viable and easy to use in Damnation" whereas this Psyker channel USUALLY has people bitching and crying about people using the wrong things.

[glossy bough]

Well I won't try to convince you knife connoisseur

[onyx oracle]

Is 36% blast radius really bad?

[worthy wasp]

FS is great for clutch situation, but outclassed in others

[hot tulip]

no hear me out

on horde rushes, this thing actually clutches

ofc u are downed and need revive but yeah

[glossy bough]

If you're not excited about blocking bullets, then yeah I wouldn't actually recommend force sword

[grave bobcat]

And yo if I have a 380 knife somewhere let me know I want that too

[worthy wasp]

Ye instead of blocking bullets you should be using staff from range

[grave bobcat]

I already got a 380 axe I don’t want

[worthy wasp]

Unless youre clutch reviving

[vital bough]

"No guys listen, I did us a favor!"
"So what if I went down! I cleared the first 30 in the front with that! You guys could handle the 500 after that!"

[glossy bough]

Well I mean you can do that too, you do still have the staff

[vital bough]

[worthy wasp]

Ye, why stand there and block gun shots when you can kill gunners with staff

Unless clutching

[vital bough]

I wind up clutching too much in t4 -____-

[glossy bough]

Personally, and I do emphasize, personally, I like having the option to have a don't take damage from bullets button for when it's useful

Yes if you can just kill or stun everything, do that

[tight saddle]

clutching in T4 is funny because people get hyped over easy clutches and it feels good. clutching in T5 can be a miserable experience a lot lmao

[glossy bough]

But if that isn't quickly feasible, a don't die button is handy

I do miss the axe chunking sometimes though

The charged force sword hits hard, but it's not quick and easy like an axe thunk

[hot tulip]

no hear me out

you max out surge/purge with peril right

Right

then you die

[cyan notch]

almost like its push attack is too good

[glossy bough]

The push attack is so nuts

The force sword is pure jank utility. Very strong but so wacky and unintuitive. Much like psyker as a whole

[cyan notch]

why is it unintuitive

i like force sword

[glossy bough]

I like it too

It's just not intuitive. It's not obvious to a newcomer what makes it good, or what it does better than other weapons, how to use it effectively, what blessings are good on it

[tight saddle]

but

[glossy bough]

As soon as you pick up an axe or a knife, use it a little, you know what the plan is

[worthy wasp]

I disagree

[tight saddle]

wtf my message before but didn't send

[cyan notch]

not really if you dont know antaxes push attack properties it gonna seem like ass

[worthy wasp]

A TON of ppl be like "omfg Antax Mk5 got doodoo cleave" cuz they dont know hoe to push attack

[glossy bough]

A force sword's niche and specialties just aren't as apparent to casual use

[onyx oracle]

Special Activation weapons take some time to learn what they are used for.

Else you do it for a normal mob feels stupid

[glossy bough]

Which I don't say to bash on casuals, I don't think it's their fault

[tight saddle]

tbf you want the infinite cleave blessing, people who don't have that blessing don't get to see it be truly OP

[glossy bough]

It's just a thing

[tight saddle]

also fuck MK5's boring ass playstyle

[worthy wasp]

Even w/o its strong af tbqh

[glossy bough]

Some blessings do just completely redefine a weapon. Like power cycling power sword

[tight saddle]

it is

[glossy bough]

And of course deflector force sword

[lethal plover]

I don't have it. Still good

[tight saddle]

but boooooring

[worthy wasp]

Limbsplitter is nuts on it

[foggy tangle]

is the transfer peril perk worth losing for 20% more damage on a voidstaff

[cyan notch]

yea lol just stand in mixed horde afk spamming 1 move completely invincible

[worthy wasp]

Blocking is op in dt

Because unlike vt2, you have built-in 360 block radius

[tight saddle]

I just want a good knife

[cyan notch]

wat

vt2 has 360 block

[glossy bough]

Damage stat does less than it looks like it does. Obviously damage is good, but a 60% stat does not do 20% less than an 80% stat

Look at the actual damage numbers to make the decision

[worthy wasp]

If you stack block radius on certain weapons, but most weapons only can get like 45-180 block radius

[tight saddle]

are you gaslighting me

us

[worthy wasp]

DT has 360 which is nuts

Esp if you can spam push attacks like Psyker can

[lethal plover]

Because in vt you don't have to worry about range

[tight saddle]

VT2 doesn't have 360 block

[lethal plover]

As much as dt

[sacred lodge]

Why do I keep seeing male psykers with the Heihachi hair?

[lethal plover]

Because it's heihachi

[foggy tangle]

yea it's a bit higher on the 80% one, but also some decent perks on my current one so not sure

[tight saddle]

LIGHTNING UPPERCUT X5 A HERETIC

[cyan notch]

????????

[cyan notch]

it does????/

[tight saddle]

It doesn't. I'll log in right now with you

[worthy wasp]

Lol

[cyan notch]

theres no shot

did u guys even play vt2

[tight saddle]

only thousands of hours

[worthy wasp]

Cata 3 solo+bots, ye

[cyan notch]

then how do you not know blocking is 360

[tight saddle]

Log in right now and show a Stormvermin your butthole while blocking

let's see that 360 block in action

[worthy wasp]

What a guy

[cyan notch]

you guys are trolling

[shadow quail]

this game isn't 360 either, is it?

[tight saddle]

it is in Darktide

[shadow quail]

did not know that

all blocks?

[tight saddle]

yeah, but only melee. Deflector is the exception for ranged

[shadow quail]

so deflector isn't but for example FS is a 360 block?

in melee

[tight saddle]

pretty sure deflector also blocks ranged 360, but all weapons block melee 360

[shadow quail]

cool ty, didn't know.

[south monolith]

Deflector does not block 360 ranged

[tight saddle]

good to know, I rarely use deflector

[raw breach]

yooo. I'll take it

[tight saddle]

since I've only gotten 1 deflector FS in 160 hours that was usable

[shadow quail]

I like deflector a lot

[south monolith]

It is 360 while reviving though

[shadow quail]

kinda crazy how tanky the psyker can become

[tight saddle]

it's funny when you clutch rez the whole team as a Psyker when the randoms have never seen it before. Just casually patting them on the back while hell unfolds all around.

[raw breach]

No mats to upgrade it to Orange, but purple upgrade added +15% block efficiency

[tight saddle]

I had people get all hyped about it in voice chat

[shadow quail]

Deflector is 360 when reviving?

[south monolith]

Yes

[cyan notch]

its not

directional when ressing

[devout axle]

Reposting this before heading to bed.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/2ayLWYkdMZ4

[foggy tangle]

male loner is best voice in the game hands down

[shrewd plinth]

good as long as you stay aware of what's trouble for your build.

[devout axle]

Psyker is fine in 4/5. It fills its roll as a backline horde control. Or as a passable Elite controller with Surge.

[tight saddle]

just fine, feels amazing since we're mostly all psyker mains in this channel and love psyker

[devout axle]

Excuse me

[timber ginkgo]

I love pysker so much I have a fucking hard time finding what staff I like best "except that aoe ground one"

[grave bobcat]

Like level 30 was my midlife crisis and I went from a horde clearing special popping mage to a glorified tazer in t4/t5 😄

[tight saddle]

that's what happens to Psykers that go over 100% peril too often

[timber ginkgo]

Bowling ball feels like my personal favorite

[grave bobcat]

Not what I expect, but I'm not upset about it either

[devout axle]

You mean Trauma?

The best staff?

[grave bobcat]

Worst

[sweet agate]

why the trauma hate 😭

[timber ginkgo]

I got a god role lighting staff so im stuck with it atm

Fire was fun but blinding

[timber ginkgo]

Not enough aoe, too high peril gain

[tight saddle]

Trauma is fine in Damnation lol, sure it feels weird with its high peril, but it's not ever the reason why your team failed a damnation run

[timber ginkgo]

Imo fire atm is just too god damn blinding, I never see what im aiming at.

[grave bobcat]

I'd argue the fact my Psyker is nigh useless is a good reason for failure lmao

[timber ginkgo]

Zappy staff saves ass

[tight saddle]

user error (in the kindest way possible)

[grave bobcat]

Not even that

[sweet agate]

i dont really use my staff alot anyways so having high peril gain really isn't too much of an issue

[grave bobcat]

It's just bad, and instead I get to sit watching all the other psyker randoms I queue with afk with with their hands out 🥲

[tight saddle]

It's not always ones fault for failing Damnation so don't get too hung up on some of the fails.

[timber ginkgo]

Best stun lock in game but whatever

[cyan notch]

@worthy wasp you guys definitely didnt play vt2 mr cata3

[lethal plover]

Spam trauma at feet. Your team will thank you in a horde

[timber ginkgo]

But personal pref so yeah yeah

[grave bobcat]

I know, not what I' msaying

[shrewd plinth]

never not be spamming voidstrike

[timber ginkgo]

Void strike is fucking god tier

I call it my bowling ball staff

[devout axle]

I actually agree with this. It's high peril cost holds it back from being as user-friendly or forgiving as other staves, but it's completely viable as long as you learn to manage its downside.

[timber ginkgo]

I also love so much it pink mists stuff

[timber ginkgo]

If the peril cost was reduced it'd be more viable

[devout axle]

If its peril cost was reduced, it'd be 100% on par with the other staves.

[timber ginkgo]

Imo it should be low! Its not as far reaching, aoe is small, and the damage is iffy.

Like lower than the rest

Its setup is also annoying

[grave bobcat]

Not wrong tbh

[spiral vortex]

I have joined the ranks!

[lethal plover]

All wrong. Amazing

[devout axle]

AoE is ... definitely not small. It has double the AoE of Voidstrike. And it's damage is actually really good when you consider it completely ignores armor.

[timber ginkgo]

Its aoe is a lie

Very fast drop off from center

[gritty perch]

Hm. gonna need help with Malleus Monstorum.

premade- I bet?

[devout axle]

Its AoE deletes any enemies inside of its circle.

[timber ginkgo]

In the center

About it

[gritty perch]

I'm only level 25 though, should I wait to 30? I need to BB the boss down, but that's not gonna get more power/damage efficient by level 30 I guess.

[grave bobcat]

Nop

[timber ginkgo]

Rest is piddle damage

[devout axle]

You are arguing with someone who unironically uses Trauma in 4/5.

[velvet trail]

The 30 talent for 10 seconds of BB spam helps a bit

[tight saddle]

oh, confused it with stamina cost is way higher if you block outside of your block angle. With shit everywhere in cata+ you don't want to block from behind. You were right and I misremembered since my thousands+ hours were over a year and a half ago

[lethal plover]

to be fair, trauma damage is currently bugged

but I doubt he knows it

[ornate hamlet]

like it's useable, but i feel like any other staff would've done the same thing, even better, there

im not saying dont use it though

[lethal plover]

Spam trauma at feet. No staff does that push

[grave bobcat]

oooo

[ornate hamlet]

id rather just surge/purge enemies before they reach me

[grave bobcat]

Why does yyour trauma's ring look different from mine 😮

[ornate hamlet]

then let enemies get in melee range

[lethal plover]

Too bad the world is not ideal

[timber ginkgo]

Maybe you got a better version of it

[grave bobcat]

Nvm just wasn'tt full charge

[timber ginkgo]

In general I just think the peril cost could use tweaking

[timber ginkgo]

Ah the blast radius

Ok yeah I could see that!

[gritty perch]

I imagine also for the Pick 'n Mix?

[ornate hamlet]

exactly, its not ideal. and the 3 other staves all have more usage opportunities than trauma

[cyan notch]

its the same in darktide its the same system you take more stamina damage from outside of your effective block angle (behind)

[gritty perch]

yikes

[lethal plover]

Besides, horde is not even all.
It sends crushers flying, dogs, and oneshots bursters

[timber ginkgo]

Also again flame staff, is a flashbang

Aaa

[timber ginkgo]

Lightning staff does just as good stun with hit scan auto aim

[lethal plover]

Can't send crushed flying

[ornate hamlet]

stunning in one spot allowing people to focus > sending them flying somewhere else

imo

[devout axle]

I don't disagree with this. Trauma isn't as user-friendly or forgiving as the other three saves, but it fills a very interesting niche of being both a powerful CC tool in basically all situations and has high AoE damage.

[timber ginkgo]

Bingo

[lethal plover]

Anyway that means it is a mix of control and clearing

[cyan notch]

high aoe damage in the center yea

but horrible cast range

[bold flint]

is the trauma staff even capable of hitting its weakpoint damage

[lethal plover]

Surge can't clear and void can't control

[grave bobcat]

Cast range on surge isn't much better

[sweet agate]

i just use the trauma staff to knock over ogryn enemies

[cyan notch]

surge can hit through walls and chain

[blissful flicker]

when coruscation staff?

[devout axle]

I really don't understand this argument of Trauma having a "horrible cast range". It's got surprisingly long range once you understand how its targeting works. Sure, it's not infinite range like Voidstrike, but its longer than Purg, and more reliable against hordes than Surg.

[sweet agate]

its hard to control the surge on a horde

[devout axle]

I don't need infinite range when I'm just trying to blow up a chunk of enemies around my team.

And I can still blow up a good half of a guard patrol before they aggro.

[bold flint]

infinite range is what brain burst is for

[cyan notch]

i mean its conflag staff and conflag has much longer range

[grave bobcat]

Dedicated Anti-Sniper

[proud mantle]

which is better 🤔

[grave bobcat]

or anti bomber

[tight saddle]

Trauma isn't the best, but it's not weak enough to be a hindrance in Damnation if you use its strengths properly.

[grave bobcat]

Right side

[lethal plover]

all 4 staves just have different strengths that's it

[timber ginkgo]

Deflector is extremely useful

[proud mantle]

even with that low first target?

[grave bobcat]

I feel like the answer is super obvious which is better and y'all flexing swords? lol

[devout axle]

You are using an argument of a staff from a completely different game. We aren't playing Vermintide. This is Darktide. Maps are designed differently, combat flows differently, and weapons are arguable worse than their VT counterparts in all cases.

[blissful flicker]

damn +15% rending too

[proud mantle]

i get a different answer depending on where i ask lmao

[worn mica]

did they buff trauma or something

im seeing a lot of talk about it

[blissful flicker]

rending op

[grave bobcat]

And deflector is what makes the FS

[sweet agate]

but still just use whatever staff you're comfortable with using

[grave bobcat]

Rending is actually a pretty good one too

[proud mantle]

rending is slash dmg right? impact is clubs? are there other ones?

[tight saddle]

Now that people have more practice and experience with Darktide in Damnation the community is slowly realizing that it's not as difficult as it seemed at first and more things are viable, and that you don't need to be a slave to a meta. Just like VT2's Cata difficulty.

[grave bobcat]

Armor pen

Put simply

[cyan notch]

i dont agree with darktide having worse weapons but i dont really care to argue that im just saying the range is pitiful and i find myself out of range a lot

[blissful flicker]

rending im pretty sure is armor strip

[grave bobcat]

"Put simply"

[gritty perch]

I wonder if there will be different classes of force sword, ones that harmonize with whatever staff you're using?

[grave bobcat]

I hope so

[bold flint]

harmowhat

[fast gyro]

I mean the staffs are always subject to change right? The game is still new

[gritty perch]

so imagine the force sword with its block-push-attack effect, but instead of the standard force it uses, maybe it uses whatever staff's energy you're using. Or maybe it has its own element

[tight saddle]

VT2 veterans were already able to use anything in Damnation with no problems, but Darktide is the first game for a lot of players to the series and come from other games where metas are more overwhelming than here. All Darktide requires is you to use your strengths to cover your allies weaknesses and vice versa while understanding the flow of fights depending on what enemies are present.

[gritty perch]

so like, a purgatory force sword, or a lightning force sword

so when you do the block-push-attack, it may stun the mob in front of you

[tight saddle]

Hell, people have done Damnation on lvl 10-15 characters during the betas lmao

[gritty perch]

HOW

[grave bobcat]

Weren't a lot of things rebalanced nerfed/buffed after beta?

[vital bough]

Soulblaze sword that applies soulblaze on hit after charging, with wide cleave

I'd like that

And a mace or hammer that's some kind of warp charge

[gritty perch]

yeah exactly that'd be cool

[proud mantle]

iev played a lot of v2

[fast gyro]

Also when you think about it, Psyker's skull cracker power is long ranged correct? And is designed to one shot humanoid targets, so there's the psyker's strength right there

[tight saddle]

meme answer: just don't get hit and hit them
real answer: they have a lot of experience and game knowledge from Vermintide 2 and applied it to Darktide

[proud mantle]

but jesus christ the terms are not explained

[lethal plover]

what are you comparing it to? are you thinking of void strike?

[grave bobcat]

Shame it stops 1 shotting most things in Damnation 🥲

[lethal plover]

because void strike has a different problem, can't kill 360 when horde is about you

[vital bough]

BB sucks realistically though.
It's good for the extremely far off things like snipers or bombers but apart from that, if you have a competent vet (and it's pretty common since they're popular to play), they'll kill most elites before you can even charge a BB.

[grave bobcat]

Only the trauma can do that though really

[vital bough]

And as soon as you step into Heresy there's a drastic difference in what you can 1 shot with BB

[grave bobcat]

Cries in dog

[fast gyro]

Soooo what? Psyker is just a bad class then?

[grave bobcat]

I wouldn't say its "bad"

[lethal plover]

but apart from that
That's the entire point. BB is to delete backline specials.

[grave bobcat]

Not the strongest of the 4

[devout axle]

@lethal plover I don't have any recording software on my garbage PC. Mind making a clip that shows off Trauma's approx. 22m range?

[tight saddle]

it's not the strongest, but it's nowhere near close to being bad.

[lethal plover]

I swear new people just keep joining and not knowing what BB is for

[grave bobcat]

You've played Damnation dude

You'll get that Psyker next to you just... always hands out

trying to kill a horde

1 by 1

....

[lethal plover]

with BB?

[fast gyro]

Well doing so applies a damage buff to nearby enemies

[lethal plover]

that literally never happens

[grave bobcat]

Yeah you not seen them?

[fast gyro]

Brain Buster

[grave bobcat]

I've literally seen them doing it.

[lethal plover]

nop

[grave bobcat]

lmfao

[lethal plover]

unless they are upkeeping stacks

[grave bobcat]

To keep on using BB? 😄

It's a vicious cycle

[summer sonnet]

i need to do 1 of every mission

[tight saddle]

it doesn't happen as often as you make it seem like

[summer sonnet]

and somehow

have not done that? bs

[lethal plover]

it never happens

[grave bobcat]

Use BB to maintain stacks, BB puts high peril, recover peril, stack timer now low, better refresh my stacks, repeat

[lethal plover]

psykers during a horde are too busy surviving

[vital bough]

Yeah but that's hardly applicable, a lot of the time even those targets get killed before I have the chance to.
BB is kinda just underwhelming, and the synergizing perks for it are kinda bad as well.
Honestly there needs to be a reason to use it over everything else you have available and I don't see much of a reason to, it just feels inefficient.
I'd be fine if they gave it some better support through Feats', or just made it have a slightly shorter charge time, or do more damage for the current charge time, I feel like that's not a whole lot to ask for.

[lethal plover]

or spamming their staff. BB is only for elites and specials

[nimble burrow]

maybe less raging about newbie psykers and giving them advice idk

[tight saddle]

welcome to the Psyker channel, as much as some of us fight back, people will cry about Psyker just because it's not OP.

[teal needle]

What's up psykers I finally got home and mixed a couple sazeracs

[lethal plover]

man how many times I have to explain to new people
BB is lock-on once, retreat and backline is dead, free some suppression, shuts up reapers, opens up bulwarks

[nimble burrow]

I mostly lurk but there's a lot of mewling about in every channel tbh

[lethal plover]

literally clear more damnation and you will see yourself still using BB constantly on elites

[fast gyro]

Well Psyker's dont wanna get bashed on because they aint doing much while they try to help

[lethal plover]

this is damnation psyker in action

[tight saddle]

zealot is pretty chill from my personal experience, they have a more laid back "everything is good just use whatever you like" mentality.

[lethal plover]

note how I used BB there

[nimble burrow]

except for when they had their ability nerfed in half lol

[grave bobcat]

Funny I have a clip of it literally happening too but aight 🥲

[grave bobcat]

It's often enough that it can be a little frustrating

[teal needle]

That was the same time that our ability was nerfed in half, good times

[lethal plover]

don't stretch an idiot you see into a pattern. I have clips of zealot knife running into reapers and that's not a critique of the class

[fast gyro]

you took out a sniper?

[grave bobcat]

I literally never critiqued the class? lol

???

[tight saddle]

If your team is already handling the horde and the most immediate elites, you can freecast many BBs on elites/specials in the back. You spamming your staff into the horde isn't always effective if you trust your randoms to handle their own, which a lot in Damnation can.

[grave bobcat]

I was saying what I see people doing constantly that isn't as effecttive as say

[vital bough]

I know the uses for it I'm well aware of the applications, it's just underwhelming.
Good teams flank and kill reapers, bulwarks, and crushers faster than you can charge a BB.
Lots of veterans kill almost every elite before you have the proper chance to even lock on and start to charge BB.
Stepping into Heresy drastically lowers your options for what BB can take care of.
BB in itself is backup, just in case your team isn't doing their job. It's good for clutching, ducking behind cover while you BB gunners, but in an organized team it feels like it has no real purpose when there's a better option for every function BB has.

[grave bobcat]

COuld just melee.

[tight saddle]

why? They already have it handled

[grave bobcat]

-.-

Doesn't matter y'all are for some reason taking shit I witnessed as an atack on the class? lol

[lethal plover]

Stepping into Heresy drastically lowers your options for what BB can take care of.
Literally just play more my dude.
You have literally just learned what the axe can do. More experience will tell you BB is way more versatile than standing and aiming at elites in a horde

[crude cape]

worth picking up to upgrade?

[lethal plover]

even in damnation I still pop BB constantly in a horde because I'm the safest person who can do that and live

[tight saddle]

it's not like that, it's that pointing out fringe scenarios as common occurrences isn't fun.

[teal needle]

This chat has sad vibes, can I interest you all in a sazzy

[zinc phoenix]

You are the chosen one

[crude cape]

its good?

[grave bobcat]

Because I keep seeing it happen?

Like I said I did? lol

Meh idc enough

Doesn't matter

[stark snow]

I don't really get the veterans can take out stuff quicker argument. When I'm playing with my friends we just go for different targets at ranged. Like yeah, if there's only one ranged special, great. But lots of times there's more than 1.

[zinc phoenix]

I’m dumb so maybe not but if I saw it I’d buy it

[spiral remnant]

as much as i love the emperor, if he could stop giving me 450 rating legendary dueling swords

that would be greatly appreciated

[worn mica]

this but revolvers

[grave bobcat]

I love revolvers ❤️

A sweet justice 1 tapping a sniper with it, how the turn tables

[spiral remnant]

man...

[lethal plover]

Once people clear damnation more they will realize what to BB and what not to

[spiral remnant]

it's always such a happy sight seeing a yellow emperors gift

[vital bough]

I know pretty much most of the game man, I just didn't know about the push attacks because I glided through the tutorial and never heard about it since. I've already put 75 hours into Psyker, I know it's better to BB a gunner or a Crusher/Bulwark than it is to staff spam it, but my point is that in a competent team, with organized players, every time I've done it with a Vet, a competent one, they will almost always kill elites before I BB, and the only time I actually get a BB off is in high intensity with too many elites to handle, or when I'm clutching.

Same thing with Crushers and Bulwarks, the team usually swarms it and kills it right before I get 1 BB off on it.

[spiral remnant]

i usually only BB bulwarks or really far away elites

[teal needle]

love to get a golden shower from big E

[spiral remnant]

😩

[crude cape]

any changes you guys would make for force sword (with Disrupter) and surge staff build

[wicked grove]

ANyone down to help a sibling with Pick and Mix?

Plz

xD

[lethal plover]

every time I've done it with a Vet, a competent one, they will almost always kill elites before I BB
And so? I'm actually always happy when a Vet is paying sharp attention.
the only time I actually get a BB off is in high intensity with too many elites to handle, or when I'm clutching.
You're the clutch guy with peril block. You're the ogryn who can take down snipers safely. That's not what a Vet can do. When a vet pulls out a bolter or a gun in a horde, he's greatly risking himself. Your job is to protect the vet when he does that, and kill specials he can't.

[stark snow]

I like quietude at t1 but its personal taste

[tight saddle]

Do you think our Force Sword likes or hates being warp force jerked off?

[teal cargo]

i like Quietude

[lethal plover]

and when a vet is suppressed by a reaper, it's the psyker's job to BB the reaper. when the bulwark is whaling on vet, it's your job to CC it

[teal cargo]

or leave me to die? 👀

Yea also Psyker good at revives

[lethal plover]

every role in this game is, quite honestly, very well thought out. the more you play the more appreciate what they all do

[zinc phoenix]

I very rarely BB unless the team is screwing up and I’m glued to cover popping gun hordes, but when I do it’s usually pretty high impact on a target no one else has a good way to deal with. Otherwise I’m using the staff or the sword depending on whether it’s more of a melee team or a ranged one. I would like to see BB hit harder at higher difficulty but what I really want is for it to mess mobs up with a long lasting stagger, ideally impacting nearby stuff. If I literally 💩 on your brain you should be pretty messed up for a while making it easier for others to get the job done. I’d be fine with it getting a cool down to compensate the higher impact

[teal cargo]

and body blocking hordess

[spiral remnant]

how do i farm plasteel? I'm starting to have... problems

[teal needle]

Forget ogryn psyker is the true clutch reviver

[lethal plover]

all the DPS in the world doesn't matter when a dog is on you

[stark snow]

lower diff maps

[worn mica]

its fair to say BB is useless at this point

[stark snow]

its not

at all

[teal cargo]

BB isnt useless

not good as primary dmg

but it do a lot as a backup

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t want it to be primary damage because that gameplay would be awful

[devout axle]

BB isn't useless. It's just badly designed for being the classes core ability.

[lethal plover]

we are just looping with each new person joining the channel
I have had to explain how things work too many times. I wish alek would finish writing that guide

[worn mica]

thats a better way to put it

[tight saddle]

I believe making BB good/better is difficult to balance because of our access to infinite ammo spammable staffs that have good utility. Giving us too much power with BB on top of that utility will be ridiculous if not done properly, but I do want BB to get buffed I just don't have a solution. I don't envy the balance devs in charge of trying to figure that puzzle out.

[tight saddle]

and we have no pins

[zinc phoenix]

Mostly I want more control from BB and am less invested in the damage aspect

[tight saddle]

oh we have one now

[zinc phoenix]

I also want the traits it has to make sense

“Here’s a lil fire on stuff right next to the target, as a treat”

[vital bough]

I'm not complaining about somebody doing their job, my point is, when other people are actually doing their job right, BB has no true purpose, it sits unused until the Vet fails to kill the gunners or snipers. It's only there to pick up slack for your Vet.
In an ideal game where the whole team is doing there job, I want there to be a REASON to go out of your way to use BB, regardless of whether your team is functioning at 100% or not. Perks that change gameplay to gear it up and reinforce it in a reasonable way.
I want interesting perks that are more interesting and interact with BB more than they do now, the current ones are kinda meh, the only good one for BB being the 3'rd option on the lvl 30 feat (and I guess Kinetic Flayer if you count that).

[lethal plover]

No true purpose

[zinc phoenix]

It pop demo man and trapper good

They f you up and run, BB like no

[lethal plover]

Ok I'll let others handle new guy

Time to with on that guide

[ornate hamlet]

BB us good against ogryns

[worn mica]

agreed

[dusky smelt]

is there any reason to keep buying weapons once youve already rolled a really good one?

[stark snow]

its not picking up slack when there's multiple ranged specials. You're just killing them faster. Or even holding them in place after half the cast. That's not no true purpose, that's just maybe not the purpose you want for it

3 ranged specials, me and vet each take different ones

[zinc phoenix]

Not really for killing them but it does have an ok stagger on them that lets you land a force sword poke

[stark snow]

that's not slack

thats work

[static epoch]

I had lots of value of out BB today don't matter how good the veteran was there was always something to dunk on

You just have to be quicker 🤣

[zinc phoenix]

It’s true once you hit heresy or damnation there’s no shortage of targets

[devout axle]

Honestly, I'd rather they had a hard look at Psyker's lack of build diversity from its feats and ass-backwards gameplay loop of trying to maintain warp charges. BB fills its niche well enough, even if I do believe it's badly designed at its core.

[zinc phoenix]

Warp charges are miserable it is true

[stark snow]

it's not a vet kills 100% of the important ranged and I do 0% or vice versa, I don't care if he kills 75% and I only kill 25%, if we're both doing it at the same time it's efficient. Could a second vet help do it faster? Yes, but I can do a lot of things they can't.

[dusky smelt]

if they made bb do what it does on malice at all levels id be happy

[static epoch]

Yeah, it's doing two targets at the same time, big

[devout axle]

Been even putting my own brain to the grindstone for some level of self-satisfaction to see if I could make Psyker more interesting.

[stark snow]

I just don't really ever stress about maintaining warp charges tbh

its really not a huge deal

[static epoch]

Or taking out one priority target very quickly. Cause you know you're going to pull a big group.

[lethal plover]

literally people do not understand how suppression and cover work and think it's just about standing still with aiming practice

[static epoch]

If you stagger one of the gunner types it helps a lot too.

[dusky smelt]

does suppressing enemies make them miss more or do they just jump into cover

[lethal plover]

Even as gun psyker i still prefer BB when my gun is useless

[vital bough]

You know what fucking sucks? I made my Psyker max height and now I get shot over most cover that you can crouch behind.

[static epoch]

They run for cover. Which is something you don't want.

[dusky smelt]

"gun psyker"

[devout axle]

Suppressing enemies makes them stop whatever they are doing to run for cover.

[zinc phoenix]

You mean zealot

[dusky smelt]

the virgin short height hiding behind cover vs the CHAD max height deflector force sword

[zinc phoenix]

Deflector should be a trait you can pick it’s dumb that something so major is a weapon feature

[tight saddle]

medium height gang too tall to cover and not using force sword D:

[devout axle]

Or it should just be built into melee Force weapons by default.

[vital bough]

I'd be fine with it if there were 2 or 3 different force weapons that let you have it

[stark snow]

tbh you should just be able to pick your weapon traits. The rng/loot/skinner box part of the game is the worst part of it imo

[vital bough]

But we just have the one lol

[tight saddle]

we're getting a 2 handed force sword soon

[dusky smelt]

im pretty sure they intend on adding more force weapons

[vital bough]

Fuck yes

I know they intend on it, i've seen the dev blogs

[devout axle]

Soon(tm)

[zinc phoenix]

Could not agree more, I just want to build my own gear without a bunch of grind and get back to the good stuff

[vital bough]

They're adding weapons for everybody I believe

[dusky smelt]

tbh theyve been adding things every week so far

[tight saddle]

it was part of the missing weapons they promised us, but they didn't release them on time

[vital bough]

I just want a soulblaze sword like VT2 fire sword that lights shit on fire

And a soulblaze buff plz

[dusky smelt]

like this?

[teal needle]

I just want beam staff. Gimme beam staff.

[vital bough]

Soulblaze is definitely fun but it feels like too much of the damage is towards the back end of the DoT

[dusky smelt]

theres a blessing for soul blaze

[static epoch]

I tried some.. a little bit.. soulblaze purgatus but it feels sluggish and random. There's a lot of ways they can change and or improve it that I can see.

[dusky smelt]

ive never found the blessing on a weapon naturally but ive gotten it from consecrating

[tight saddle]

hear me out, replace staff special actions with alternate VT2 staff lmb attacks

[vital bough]

Yeah but that's only on crit, which isn't even a headshot (a weak spot hit)
I want something that's akin to the force sword, but the alt fire mode charges it with fire for 10 seconds or something, and guarantees that it adds stacks of soulblaze to whatever it hits.

[celest zenith]

just give me crafting so i can fix the blessings

[teal needle]

It's probs gonna be like perks where you can only fix one blessing

[celest zenith]

i just want deflector anyways, i use soulburn build because its fun

[dusky smelt]

@celest zenith you have almost the same sword as me

[boreal wave]

What is "power." Is it just damage?

[celest zenith]

give me deflector NOW

[south monolith]

Power is a damage Multiplier to base damage

[vital bough]

It's more than just damage, effects how much damage you take and how easily you stagger as well

[south monolith]

But so are all of the other multipliers, they are all additive

[south monolith]

That vermintide, not dt

[vital bough]

I've been told multiple times from multiple people that it also applies here

[tight saddle]

I made the same mistake towards that same person, it is also a thing in DT

[south monolith]

It might also affect stagger but I doubt it affects damage taken. Unless it was datamined it is hard to say otherwise

[bleak sonnet]

honestly

i think with darktide until updates

i think im done*

[vital bough]

I am open to being proven wrong though cause I CAN'T FIND A CREDIBLE SOURCE MAN

But this is just what I've been told several times

from here and other places

[south monolith]

You also need to provide a credible source to show that it is.

[teal cargo]

game sucks?

[vital bough]

Yeah I'm just telling people what I've been told and still giving the caveat of "this is just what I've been told" so they at least take it with a grain of salt

[south monolith]

I can show how it affects damage and am open to it doing more, but I am doubtful beyond damage and stagger

[bleak sonnet]

just getting rly repetitive

:P

[vital bough]

Yeah there's also just not a reliable way to test if it effects damage taken or not

No mobs hit in you the psykhanium so you can't test it

[bleak sonnet]

might go back to vt2

[teal cargo]

i see

[vital bough]

But it's not far outside the realm of possibilities that it works very closely to the way it did in VT2

[teal cargo]

Vt2 always fun

[boreal flint]

Is it worth doing level 4 missions? Because I’ve lost every time so far ;-;

[teal cargo]

i like toughness a lot more than temp health thoguh

[vital bough]

If you can beat them, it's worth doing lvl 5 missions

[south monolith]

I would assume that because power is a different word than damage it would be different but the descriptions are often wrong or just misquoted so I am not assuming anything lol

[boreal flint]

I keep trying low intensity level 4 and my team always dies

[vital bough]

Are you lvl 30?

[boreal flint]

26

[vital bough]

Wait till you hit 30 and get much better gear to try and reliably do t4, unless you have a good group that you know plays well

[boreal flint]

Oh okay

[vital bough]

It's best to assume that in PUB matches, you'll need to carry

[boreal flint]

Also what curios should I be getting?

[boreal flint]

I’ll stick to level 3 then lol

[vital bough]

tbh idk about the curio meta, I just prefer toughness and wounds

[south monolith]

It looks like power is listed as damage from Combine00's guide on steam which I believe was datamined

[vital bough]

Oh hell yeah, he's got datamined shit? I'd like to take a look, I just want to know the actual truth of how shit works and not just hearsay, so I can be confident in what I know lol.

[south monolith]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053

I assume its datamined for how early it was released initially and there are blessings with out names, but named in a way the game would call them.

[spiral remnant]

Hey big E

thanks for the golds and all

but i'm good on dueling swords and autoguns, thanks

[cyan notch]

id like it more if they didnt spawn enemies behind you all the time

[spiral remnant]

from what I can tell, emperor gold drops are almost always guaranteed to be 2x 20 rating perks and 2x T3 blessings

[opaque tusk]

curio or what bff?

[south monolith]

I also think that as easy as it is to believe things are the same as VT2 we also have to consider how much is different in DT. How damage affects us as players is quite different. We also don't have the same talents that gave us bonus stagger and interact with staggered enemies like we did in VT2.

[vital bough]

Yeah I see the power definition. But holy shit this dudes guides are actually really enlightening, thanks for the find.

[south monolith]

Oh its been there for a while lol

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892028185

This goes over bar stats

But also now we can read about them in game

[opaque tusk]

it says replace weapon

[vital bough]

Yeah I just tend to ignore steam guides because they're usually '+1' farms of guides like this:
"How to shoot"
"Step 1.) Click the mouse"
"that's my guide, thanks for reading"

But that's some good info from that dude

[south monolith]

Well if it doesnt get pinned here or get to Hot in reddit it fades away. Steam is better for long term.

VT2 has some amazing steam guides too

[vital bough]

Really though if you're gonna have a bunch of terms like Power, Rending, Bleed, etc... You should have like a tab on the esc menu for definitions of keywords like that, that explain exactly what they mean and do.

But yeah, I guess you can't expect too much.

[south monolith]

Well many tooltips are still off and misworded so that is a bit advanced for the development cycle of the game lol

[vital bough]

Here's an idea!
Put a table in the Psykhanium that's got a book on it, with all the buzzwords and stat names defined in the book
Something like that would help increase clarity for everybody, less biting at each others necks in discord all around, and easier access making a build and experimenting in the psykhanium

[surreal girder]

Yes?

[spiral remnant]

tragic

[vital bough]

Yeah just hope for a t4 blessing when it gets orange, and you can swap that warp nexus out for something better if you desire

[spiral remnant]

but still fantastic

[tropic halo]

Seems decent enough for me

[spiral remnant]

2 x 20 gear rating perks

[south monolith]

If you didn't know, VT2 got most of its quality of life fixes from mods because Fat shark couldnt be bothered

[spiral remnant]

you can only refine one so

it'll never be the "perfect" staff

but in every other aspect, ye it's great

[stark snow]

so I've been testing out exorcist blessing on force sword in the training area. It seems not to work at all.

[south monolith]

It works

[vital bough]

I know man, I know

[south monolith]

Chain weakspot hits. It will even proc off a charged attack on the head

[spiral remnant]

how should I farm plasteel? I've got a bit of a problem...

[vital bough]

[tropic halo]

sadly, malice and lower

[spiral remnant]

😭

[surreal girder]

Yeah, I have a ton of plasteel from Malice runs.

[spiral remnant]

atleadt it'll be good for Big E's gifts

[vital bough]

Knife + Purg staff for speedrunning

[tropic halo]

no clue why the hell we get way less gifts in heresy and damnation..

[spiral remnant]

yooo same

[south monolith]

Suffering from success

[proud mantle]

for a staffs quell speed does that affect any quell like in FS or BB

[spiral remnant]

really?

I've been getting roughly the same

[vital bough]

Nope, just on the staff

[static epoch]

just with the staff

[stark snow]

working on staff no problem, doesn't seem to be working on either sword

[spiral remnant]

out of 3 heresy runs i got 2 gifts, 1 purple and 1 gold

[proud mantle]

sadge

[tropic halo]

barely got any gifts during heresy. i go back to malice and sedition to do the weekly 25 missions, now its gifts every other game

[south monolith]

Did you swap swords while in the training area? Maybe step out and back in

[spiral remnant]

oof, say what rating gifts do you usually get?

mine hovers at rouhgly 450

[tropic halo]

430s for the better quality ones

[spiral remnant]

450 when gold

ah alright

[gritty perch]

I want to do a game on heresy, but I don't have a surge staff yet, only a purgatus

[spiral remnant]

purg > surge :C

just saying...

[tropic halo]

a few gold ones but all were the generic blades sadly

[spiral remnant]

do you usually get blues?

i almost exclusively get purples and golds, which is nice i guess

[stark snow]

Does it just work kind of weird, like it doesn't instantly drop your peril by the mentioned amount? Just increases the tick of the quell?

[spiral remnant]

except it's all auto guns and dueling swords

[south monolith]

Yes it ticks down, but you can watch the passive quell speed ramp up. The staves are like that too

[gritty perch]

I hear the stun on surge is more useful than the purge

[tiny wharf]

heresy isn't really all that hard. It's just the first difficulty that you cant go in waving your limp dick and come out on top.

[tropic halo]

yep usually that. grays are actually nice since we know the meta. but i havent used a single curio or weapon ive gotten from the emperor's gifts ever since the game launched.

[grave bobcat]

Accurate

[tiny wharf]

Long as you think about what you're doing for 2 seconds you'll be just fine.

[tropic halo]

melk's store is so crap

[gritty perch]

ugh I don't wanna solo this

haha

[teal needle]

Haven't seen a grey over like 340 :/

[south monolith]

Haven't done a purg build yet but I think I am being called

[grave bobcat]

My middle finger to @bleak sonnet

[tiny wharf]

I suspect a few blessings ONLY appear on legendary weapons

[grave bobcat]

Such as? 🙂

[tropic halo]

too many useless perks and blessings.

[south monolith]

I haven't witnessed that

[grave bobcat]

Can maybe find them on a blue to give you less doubts haha

[thin dome]

what are the best weapon perks?

[olive ember]

which weapon are you running

[tropic halo]

combat ability regen is only 3 to 4 percent. you have to stack 3 curios together to literally take off only a few seconds from a 30 second cooldown... who the hell wants to do that?

[tiny wharf]

I've only ever seen the burn shot thing on legendary lasguns, and ive only ever seen whatever the hell the "soulblaze on crit" blessing is on a legendary staff

[thin dome]

i have a cutlass, heavy axe? the palpatine staff and the pyro staff

[olive ember]

heavy axe you want decimate and lethal momentum or wte its called

[grave bobcat]

Shame I don't use either of the 2 weapons those blessings are on so I don't have any 😦

[olive ember]

dunno about the cutlass, pyro you want terrifying barrage and otherwise the staff traits are all kinda mid

[south monolith]

Shop could just be f'd for RNG too. Hard to say. I do agree those aren't common blessings

[thin dome]

10-4 thanks!

[stark snow]

I think for some of the other classes that have other means of additional cooldown reduction it might be better

[tiny wharf]

Very much could be.. but that's the assumption im going with until proven otherwise

[tropic halo]

im running a build that's all about cooling down the psyker special but still, it's just so barely justifiable.

[south monolith]

Fair lol

[stark snow]

I have a purple kantrel with infernus. Assuming by legendary you mean orange

[tiny wharf]

Aye

[grave bobcat]

Using the 15% trait I assume

[stark snow]

emperor's gift so I didn't roll it or anything

[grave bobcat]

It almost feels like a 5-10s cd with that trait 🥲

[spiral remnant]

ehhh, purge stun is pretty good tho? it doesn't cover as many units as surge does, but its personally much better for the high damage hordes of late game in my opinion

[tiny wharf]

Alright well theres that idea gone then

Dog shit rng it is

[grave bobcat]

Bless RNG

[grave bobcat]

I think surge's max targets is roughly 6 or something

Time to push all the enemies together in meat grinder 🥲

[tiny wharf]

surge not super good for big horde CC. Surge good at rager/mutant/dog/ogryn stunning.

[grave bobcat]

Ye pointless for horde

[tiny wharf]

I suspect a trauma with maxed out radius probably best in damnation or something. though ive not used trauma since level 6 or something

[grave bobcat]

And does like 0 damage to dog to make sure you follow it with B lol

[tropic halo]

Aye, since higher difficulties got more specials, the trait is a lot more viable than in the lower levels

[grave bobcat]

Something mildly entertaining herding all these enemies together lol

Now everyone is mingling together

We can shock them for science

[tropic halo]

one big heretic family

taking a pic for the holidays

[grave bobcat]

I wonder if the type of enemy requires like

2 targets worth of surge cause it randomly changes amount it spreads

Sorry forgot tto turn offm y music

Volume warning

[tiny wharf]

I have spent a good amount of time testing it, and for the life of me I cannot figure out what increases/decreases the final "hit" of the surge staff on multiple targets.

It's consistently 600ish on the first target. But on the 2nd or 3rd targets it could be anywhere from 500-100 and I can't find out why that's the case. Seems to be completely random

[grave bobcat]

Far as I can its just dmg spread but could also be enemy type

Since there are no duplicates in there

Hmm there are 2 unyielding though 1 sec

Just saving the numbers

Ye just looks like dmg spread to me

Like first takes the most etc etc

Cause if I swap sides whoever is in front takes the most

I'm gonna ignore that it justt didn't do that for me 🥲

[vital bough]

So I made a thing

[grave bobcat]

Go on

[grave bobcat]

Isn't that just different text on top of a reddit post? 🥲

[vital bough]

I don't browse reddit, idk lol

I just know it's a meme template

[grave bobcat]

Was trying to find it my memes folder a mess

[vital bough]

lol nice

[spiral remnant]

imagine being limited to a number

😈

all who are in my vape cloud shall be engulfed in flames!!

[grave bobcat]

I only care about specials anyway 🥲

[spiral remnant]

also, it's really fun with a flamer zealot

[grave bobcat]

Imagine having to WAIT to kill something

[spiral remnant]

double the fire, half the heresy

[spiral remnant]

i have 4 warp charges always

[tiny wharf]

on a related note to theorycrafting
I assume the lightning counts as a ranged attack for the purposes of "9% ranged critical chance" perks

[grave bobcat]

What this got to do with yo stinkin warpy chargies

I meant that you gotta build up your fire first lol

[spiral remnant]

belelelel

i have so many warp charges u dont even know

my dps is unrivaled

[tiny wharf]

*Except by a level 3 veteran

[grave bobcat]

I just let the 2 passives get my warp charges cause using BB to get them is time I coulda been doing something else more useful

Tbh your dps is def higher than mine if you're built to horde clear so