psyker-class

[bright cipher]

lol

lmao even

[digital beacon]

🖤

[twilit path]

The trick is to not fully charge it. Just spam

[severe dove]

It's just how if you have good peril management it goes of like 20 times a swarm lol

[bright cipher]

good for you i guess

[gritty perch]

this is the actual sound. that's how it was written on the script when they asked someone to vocally imitate it for recording.

[digital beacon]

🕸️

🕸️

psy psy psy psy psy psy psy psy

[vivid merlin]

i hear the whispers in my mind

[gritty perch]

I need an espionage mission for malice difficulty. -_- but its not popping up

[patent steeple]

not to mention the demonic whispers happening at the same time lmao

[vivid merlin]

even when I am not logged in to darktide

[severe dove]

Since not dying to peril is pretty easy once you realise that you will only die to a warp ability if it goes off at 100 peril

[vivid merlin]

they whisper such beautiful, tempting truths

[digital beacon]

🦇

[twilit path]

I mistake those for a Demonhost.

[gritty perch]

join us...follow us...

[bright cipher]

thirsty ass trap daemons of the warps trying to tempt me while im clapping nurgle cheeks

😠

[vivid merlin]

the emperor is false, an idol the imperium created

[hard breach]

I love the perils sounds and whispers. It's well done

[digital beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-why-bats-arent-as-scary-as-you-think-yelling-bats-nat-geo-explores-gif-21827436

[mild lotus]

tfw no Slaanesh whispers when a reaching 100% peril

[gritty perch]

speaking of which, what are the actual signs that someone is becoming a psyker, or awakens as such?

[severe dove]

I'm just not a fan of how sometimes you can get the thumping sound like 4 times in 2 seconds if you're playing well lol

[digital beacon]

literally the dopes night of all time

[hard breach]

Do I look like eldar to you?

[mild lotus]

blue eyes are good indicator though not every psyker has them

[bright cipher]

id prefer tzeentch for that authentic schizo experience

[gritty perch]

eh, slaanesh is...

[severe dove]

Get that slaanussy?

[gritty perch]

I feel slaanesh is misleading.

[vivid merlin]

what enemy bonus% class are the grunts with guns

[hard breach]

Tzeentch more likely

[mild lotus]

usually psykers experience an 'awakening', mostly the appearance of powers they didn't have before accompanied by voices in their mind

[digital beacon]

psy psy psy psy

[gritty perch]

sex is a gateway into slaanesh. that is not what happens. s/he is the chaos god of...excess? obsession? you do things for sensation because he demands it.

[digital beacon]

fucking glroius

[gritty perch]

she isn't some prostitute. nor does he have a clearly defined gender.

[mild lotus]

if they let the voices control them, they can either go boom or get possessed by a daemon(daemonhosts) or unleash a powerful spell of the warp

[severe dove]

Tzeentch is definitely the one whispering to the psyker in game. Especially since we're fighting things corrupted by nurgle. Or at least his daemons

[patent steeple]

What about khorne ”whispers”? Literally just shouting at you to brutally slaughter everyone in sight.

[gritty perch]

one moment you want to have sex, the next you're clawing out your eyeballs and sticking objects into your flesh to feel a sensation more intense than the last.

[digital beacon]

psy psy psy psy

[mild lotus]

sometimes all at once

[digital beacon]

fuck.

ugh

yesh

[gritty perch]

people get mad when you say "lol no slaanesh isn't the god of sex", they get all pissy, but she's really not

[digital beacon]

fuck

ahhhah ey;s

[mild lotus]

Khorne will not whisper to a spyker ever

[digital beacon]

gdomnt

[hard breach]

Chaos god of pleasure! Among other things

[mild lotus]

he hates psykers and their magic

[dusky smelt]

i think if they had the whispers be from the other princes itd be cool

[gritty perch]

sex is a part, but like a "gateway drug"

and its a very VERY small part

[digital beacon]

muhahah

[patent steeple]

Ohhh right yeah sorry i forgot…

[dusky smelt]

yeah but khorne likes anybody who kills enough and we def kill

[bright cipher]

i remember playing Villich in wh3 and tzeentch teleports me to a random spot in the chaos wastes to fight an army because he said so, but the army that i encounter there is an army of tzeentch? And then mid battle i get surprise reinforced, by an army of tzeench, and i just let them duke it out standing there, pondering the great decievers master plan.

[gritty perch]

"pleasure" yes, sex is part of that, but only about .1% of what's going on there

[mild lotus]

no, get massacred

[digital beacon]

psy psy psy psy psy

[severe dove]

It doesn't help that Slaanesh was born from the most violent orgy in the history of the cosmos

[mild lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-gif-25024682

[gritty perch]

its like saying "the god of food" and only including olives.

[digital beacon]

lmao

quit chewing thewing the paper!<

[hard breach]

Ahh exquisite pain

[gritty perch]

hedonism and excess and abuse in every factor, again, sex was one part of what the Eldar were doing, but not all of it

[devout mulch]

I FINISHED MY ACHIVEMENTS IM SO EXCITED

[bright cipher]

trust no one, not even yourself, is the tzeentch moto

[severe dove]

Though honestly it was a REALLY big part

[bright cipher]

expect betraying himself is part of his master plan

[gritty perch]

It was a big fucking part.

that's not a lie

[gray island]

cursedd by having to do pick n mix 😢

[dusky smelt]

the only reason khorne hates scarbrand is that he stabbed him in the back instead of the front

[livid wraith]

Hello siblings. When I get my coffee we have a lot of catching up to do on arguing about staffs.

[devout mulch]

I did most of them with pugs BUT with the explosion one with 3 elites I HAD to have my friends help

[gritty perch]

and I think that may be where some of the misconception comes from, the mostly orgy based hedonistic rituals birthed a god of "sensation"/"pleasure"/"excess"/"obsession", which is all of those things, including sex, yes, but that's like tier 1 on a 10 tier system

[bright cipher]

my favorite way to spend time while at work

[dawn orchid]

Anyone have any lore background on the "five rusting spires" my psyker goes on about at times

[gritty perch]

before you eventually kill yourself because you can no longer feel sensation from anything

slaanesh is arguably the most dangerous chaos god

and the necrons thinks slaanesh is an upstart xD

[mild lotus]

I just want to brush her hair

they look so smooth

[gritty perch]

me tooooo

:p

[olive ember]

just use lasgun

[severe dove]

Saying that The Eldar(pre-mega cursed by Slanussy) and Slaanesh aren't all about sex is like saying apple pie isn't all about apples. Yea it's true but the apples are absolutely the biggest part

[gray island]

probably going to pub up, its just racing against vets to get 5 special kills is cursed.

[mild lotus]

petition to reclassify lasguns into force staves category

guns are magic too

[gritty perch]

yeah, and while the hedonism may be the biggest part, the sex isn't the biggest part about slaanesh

[devout mulch]

That one was pretty difficult but its doable with out exploding, the higher levels its easier because theres alot more elites in groups

[twilit path]

What kind of Curios would be best for Psyker btw?

[devout mulch]

I think I had 1 or 2 friends for that one with me

[olive ember]

it also becomes harder because hp values go up and less things become one-shottable

[digital beacon]

beautiful

[severe dove]

Max hp but you def want at least one wound curio

[twilit path]

Thx

[digital beacon]

goddamn

[gritty perch]

I want Inquisitor Drogan's coat.

[dusky smelt]

ive been running stam curios so i can force push all day

[mild lotus]

+1 wound curio never hurts

[digital beacon]

are we in this together?

[mild lotus]

get lost

[digital beacon]

wtf

[twilit path]

I got this as a Gift. What do you think?

[digital beacon]

wtf taz. mean

[severe dove]

Psyker def needs the +1 wound more than any other class since they get one tapped half the time lol

[gray island]

def feel like heresy is the way to go cause tthe health pools are lower but i also havent gotten it so

[mild lotus]

stop spamming the channel with idiotic comments

[twilit path]

I just block them

[digital beacon]

@mild lotus destroyed

[mild lotus]

the mention of messages being blocked tingles me as well

I'm a sensitive one

[digital beacon]

If you can read this, we need each other

whew

fucking ses

\

sex

[gray island]

honestly if blocking made it go away entirely itd be fine but like I still get the messages being posted and its just as bad tbh

[severe dove]

Its eeeeeh, what you really want is a max hp or wound with toughness damage reduction

[digital beacon]

can we not have each other's back?

[twilit path]

Right

I just keep it cause "Orange Good"

[severe dove]

I do appreciate the orange good mentality

[digital beacon]

@mild lotus @fathom locust

[mild lotus]

I got my yellow +1 wound curio from big E himself

not taking it off any time soon

[twilit path]

Big E looking out for us Psykers

[mild lotus]

he does protect

[digital beacon]

@mild lotus we can't move without you

@you're important af

[devout mulch]

This is true I actually did the exploding one on Malice

[digital beacon]

omg

[devout mulch]

Make sure you check the achivements cause some of them harder ones can be done on Malice

[digital beacon]

fuck that sounds so good

fuck

ok

fuck

[gray island]

i have all of them except pick n mix which requires heresy, appreciate the advice though

[livid wraith]

@digital beacon

[digital beacon]

fuck

i love you

[mild lotus]

the internet in a nutshell

[digital beacon]

we need to get each other forwrd

[gray island]

anyone seen the toughness damage reduction roll yet?

[digital beacon]

omfg

[mild lotus]

no, not even once

[digital beacon]

perfect.

whut

taz

[gray island]

rip.

[digital beacon]

wtf

[mild lotus]

saw a few toughness regen one but not that many so far

[digital beacon]

can we get togehte

tother

whatever.

[gray island]

yeah have toughness regen, and I have 15% corruption resistance curios so the list isn't perfect.

[devout mulch]

I had an ogryn with a shield, a sharp shooter that knew not to go after them, then the last one we had in the group was another psycher with the Purgatus staff if that helps

[gritty perch]

I saw a toughness regeneration speed item roll.

[digital beacon]

wfuck

[gritty perch]

It was on a curio

[mild lotus]

I have yet to see higher than +17% toughness and +20% hp as well

[gritty perch]

it was 15% toughness regeneration

[digital beacon]

jesus. i had no ideo

ok

fuck

omfg

[gritty perch]

I also currently have a corruption resistance one

[digital beacon]

fuck

YAS

[steel egret]

Only way Ive gotten higher than 20 is via random curio from weekly challenge vendor

[gritty perch]

that's on my zealot though. my psyker only has it for GRIMOIRS.

[digital beacon]

YAS

psy psy psy

fuck

[gray island]

yeah if you build a group to specifically go for the penance it seems more manageable . i've gotten close a few times but my ghroups have gotten 4 weakened then have a horde clear mess everything up typically

[digital beacon]

jesus fuck

[devout mulch]

The psycher was a pug so we got lucky with that one

[gray island]

and i dont have a melee with block which isn't helpful in situations where we try to stall mobs

[gritty perch]

toughness damage REDUCTION however, no

[digital beacon]

holy fuck

[gritty perch]

saw an ally revive speed 6% skipped it because I thought that was too low to really make an impact

like, so what its an extra .3 second taken off. how useful.

[dense wasp]

Seen them all except for toughnes damage reduction.

[mild lotus]

<@&735928989146939404> sorry for the ping but that man DraculaWolfman has been a bit of an annoyance for the past hour, would you help us with it please?

[gritty perch]

haven't seen combat regeneration, actually.

[leaden needle]

idiot giving him attention

just block him

[mild lotus]

that's the best reply you found?

[gray island]

based off that list it would be Toughness damage reduction > toughness regen > corruption resist/ revive speed imo.

[gritty perch]

IDK I feel like you'd need multiple grimoirs with revive speed to make a noticeable impact.

[digital beacon]

😎

[gray island]

yeah in a perfect world 3 orange curios each one having those 3 feats

[digital beacon]

🖤

[gritty perch]

or revive speed deflection -> take less damage while reviving/takes more damage to stagger you out of reviving a companion.

[leaden needle]

🫣

[digital beacon]

🕸️

🕷️

🤘

😎

[fluid forge]

yeah spamming isn't allowed.

[leaden needle]

our savior

[gritty perch]

what's dracula's issue tho

[drowsy cosmos]

The secondary action for BB is just charging, what effect does this have besides raising peril?

[gritty perch]

are they having an actual issue or are they just spamming ?

[austere burrow]

This would be kinda pointless imo

[steel egret]

Has anyone found block efficiency for force swords in 3 curio + highest version of deflection useful? As in 45%

[mild lotus]

What, you aren't calling them an idiot now? They're giving the guy attention after all

[gray island]

it helps for the brain burst jumping dog penance but thats about it

[austere burrow]

You're already not getting staggered anyway

[mild lotus]

just spamming stupid replies

[gritty perch]

how so? you can get staggered out of reviving someone. decreasing the ability for that to happen is vital if you're surrounded by a mob wailing at you.

[mild lotus]

not even having any sort of conversation even

[mild lotus]

just pull out your melee and use the peril block feat

[leaden needle]

snowflake

[mild lotus]

no more stagger

[mild lotus]

ok I guess it's the day when people throw stuff at other and then get all defensive when called out about it

[gritty perch]

I often have to use the psykinetic wrath ability to stun the crowd and do that, yeah.

[sterile lake]

Probably listens to what other people say instead of forming his own opinion

[fluid forge]

be nice.

Also pinging wardens to deal with spammers is fine. Taz did good

[austere burrow]

You don't even need to wrath in a lot of situations

Attacks build up so little peril

[leaden needle]

i am a delight

[sterile sable]

i like wrathing after getting someone up just to give them space to get out

[gritty perch]

I use wrath to knockback a crapton of enemies.

[severe laurel]

Just curious, does "Warp Attacks" mean staff attacks as well?

[gritty perch]

and it works, and I've gotten out of some sticky situations with that

[mild lotus]

yes

[gritty perch]

yeah, anything that's warp

[mild lotus]

any space wizardry is warp attacks

[gray island]

any attacks that build peril

[mild lotus]

staves primary and secondary as well as the sword special attack

[sterile lake]

My guess it was two different ones but that was unhandy so now LMB does both and rmb just charges
Maybe there will be an ultra bb subclass that will have heads popping in sequences when you rmb and hover over a Horde

[severe laurel]

Thanks

[silver fjord]

check out this bad boy

[gritty perch]

warp is a kind of energy, mostly associated with the realm of chaos.

psykers use it, but daemons also, that is why psykers are mostly feared.

[austere burrow]

I've seen better...

[gritty perch]

the Emperor is one exception

[gray island]

warp flurry might bite with with the extra peril gain with minimum benefits

[steel egret]

339

[gritty perch]

The Emperor's Psykinetic presence is a very REAL thing.

[severe laurel]

I was just curious because I know most people use the quell toughness regen skill, but Warp Absorption on the first skill seems good if not better?

[gritty perch]

personally I believe the necron's inability to register the importance of the Warp is actually a major weakness.

[austere burrow]

I wouldn't say better

[steel egret]

I think that relies heavily on warp charge gain rate

[gritty perch]

omg

what is this

can I have it

[gray island]

send trade

[mild lotus]

swap the unyielding perk for flak armoured and you're gucci

[tropic halo]

depends on your playstyle but having your special heal back a good chunk of toughness and being more in control of your toughness charging is a plus. the other ones require having to kill something.

[austere burrow]

The issue is having to kill things with your attacks to get regen

[steel egret]

Post 380 staff

[gritty perch]

idk Unyielding enemies are fk annoying tho

[austere burrow]

Vs getting it on demand just by jacking up your peril

Which you already do anyway

[severe laurel]

Ah, I suppose you could just charge your special without letting it off to regen toughness

[mild lotus]

yes but you're not shooting at them with a voidstrike

[tropic halo]

precisely

[twilit path]

Ok, finally figured it out: Specialized enemies, often referred to as "specials", are enemies that are programmed to behave in a certain unique way. Elite enemies are predominately melee heavy-hitters. They are often heavily armored and difficult to take down

[gritty perch]

or bb

[gray island]

id k i think swapping unarmoured for flak would be the play

[mild lotus]

you either bb or melee them

[twilit path]

So my best way of doing Going out with a Bang is Ragers

[gritty perch]

but trying to dodge charge bb with 6 maulers attacking you while your team runs away from you is frustrating

(I run into lots of shitty teams if you cant tell)

[mild lotus]

no no no, flak and unarmoured are the two types of trash mobs

the mobs you want to kill with voidstrike

[gritty perch]

I basically have to goad enemies to them to get us to fight as one

[gray island]

that a surge staff

[mild lotus]

I don't think unyielding will bring you good results

[mild lotus]

this is void

[austere burrow]

I think maniac is best on surge

[gray island]

read it

[mild lotus]

wtf

I've been played

[twilit path]

Bambozled

[minor elk]

What's the best abilities for Psyker?

[steel egret]

Unarmored 25%.

[twilit path]

Depends. Not a straight answer

[gray island]

my mob staff is this one

[twilit path]

Them Perks though

[mild lotus]

that one would def benefit from flak armoured perk

[steel egret]

Run and gun

🤡

[tropic halo]

my 500 surge staff got plagued with run n gun. trying to make the best outta it, sadly.

[minor elk]

Gonna use the Flammenwerfer staff

[gray island]

5/6 purge blessing are trash anyway

[minor elk]

so ooof

[steel egret]

Atleast you get to swap it

I had reload speed on staff around launch

[tropic halo]

🤣

fucking fatshark

[gray island]

idk if i will swap it since there really isn't anything worth. rather just bring warp up to the 5% chance

[twilit path]

I'm not a Meta guy, so hopefully someone else in this Chat can answer your questions

[twilit path]

If you want a good All Rounder build, try 121233

[gray island]

people like to use soulblaze feats with flame staff. but i think this is universally better

[mild lotus]

where peril block?

[gray island]

im usin a FS without deflector

[mild lotus]

I feel that even for melee only, peril block is worth it, you can still clutch revive with it

saved a few of my runs

[twilit path]

That's pretty good for Flame Staff

[bronze pulsar]

imo all the soulblaze perks suck, including the lvl 30 one becasue in practice your teammates are killing everything and you just lose all your stacks for nothing most of the time

[vivid merlin]

Your teammates are killing everything is a very Psyker experience

[bronze pulsar]

so yeah i like that build even for soulblaze

[gray island]

i also dont like it, just something i've seen, something about the purge staff keeps the soulblaze stacks active longer?

[steel egret]

Depends on difficulty I guess

What other guys bring

[bronze pulsar]

i have to lightning stuff in level 5s otherwise i feel kinda useless like a worse vet

like way worse vet lol

[steel egret]

Well yes

[gray island]

i get that, my issue is i need alittle more reliable toughness since i have no personal block. with low pools of toughness and HP personal survivability is my priority until i get a decent antrax or deflector FS

[mild lotus]

the creeping for toughness curios is a real psyker issue

[steel egret]

Did that chainsaw sword have any toughness related blessing?

Or is that for eviscerator

[gray island]

i think thats evicerator this is all i see for psyker chainsword

[gray island]

you can use purge and feel like a more uselest zealot instead tho

[mild lotus]

I have a question, can anyone tell me how long do effects that have no given duration last? Talking about blessings.

[bronze pulsar]

yes, at least purge looks cool

[steel egret]

Shame.

[magic gull]

you mean those " give xxxx% on hit"

i think once you hit a different target, you lose it

[mild lotus]

yes with no duration

[magic gull]

so its like a boss blessing

[vivid merlin]

bowling ball is good tho?

[mild lotus]

by the emperor, that's terrible

[magic gull]

yah.

good in assasination mission tho

literally shreds bosses

[gray island]

its fun, and yoou can def manage t4s with it. havent given purge a chance in t5s yet. i think if you're running 2 psykers doubling up on lighting is excessive and lose out on too much dps

[magic gull]

but otherwise not that useful

[mild lotus]

It comforts me in thinking slaughterer and deflector are probably the best blessing pairing for FSword

[vivid merlin]

Surge is a lot better since the hotfix since it doesn't randomly execute you anymore

[steel egret]

Its a shame psyker has no benefit from bleeding

[mild lotus]

Can you rephrase that please?

[gray island]

if you animation cancel Surge you can proc the blazing spirit off the lightning

not better than deflector but still interesting

[steel egret]

Its a shame psyker has no feat that gives him a benefit for enemy having active bleeding effect

[mild lotus]

better

[brave vale]

its a fucking shittier bleed

right?

[mild lotus]

bleeding is a niche that is useful only to zealots and ogryns to some degree

afaik at least

[steel egret]

Effect from weapons and feats is same bleeding effect.

[vivid merlin]

Bleed gives ogryn 50% damage reduction

And there's a bleed centered crit build for zealot too

Soulblaze gives us uhhhh uhhhh warp charge if you're lucky

[gray island]

ogryn zealot synergy with bleed is nice

[magic gull]

isnt the bleed build only viable build for zealot.

[gray island]

soulblazes gives peoples RTX a workout

[magic gull]

the low hp build is too risky at high lvl

[steel egret]

Dont have RTX

But Ive also crashed only around 4 times

On reward screen.

[vivid merlin]

Think you replied the wrong comrade comrade

[steel egret]

Yes

[gray island]

honestly i hate psyker chat. i just sat in the morningstar for a hour talking with yall instead of running missions

[steel egret]

I was going to type 10%, and add that its unclear to me if purgatorium staff active attacks damage counts as soulblaze instead of the dot applied

[mild lotus]

I feel you sibling.

Chatting about psyker is more interesting than end game.

[gray island]

i was planning on going to sleep but now i gotta wait on the shop reroll in hopes of getting an axe

[steel egret]

Shop reroll endgame

[gray island]

true endgame

[vivid merlin]

I have 17 force swords now

[mild lotus]

the worst is Melk's new roll happening every day only

[vivid merlin]

it has cost me so many plasteel upgrading them to blue

[mild lotus]

at 1 am in my timezone

[vivid merlin]

no deflection yet

[steel egret]

Staring at 311 revolvers and 2 stamina curios.

[mild lotus]

don't upgrade weapons, just buy them

[vivid merlin]

I'd love to

God I'd love to

[mild lotus]

what's the issue

[steel egret]

I have some 380 Ive upgraded.

Im too tired

[gray island]

if grim missions worked like VT with get us more emprah rewards worth anything playing the game would be more viable of a farm

[vivid merlin]

uhhh no deflection force sword on the vendor issue where do I report it

can I pay aquila

[mild lotus]

that's a skill issue for sure

[steel egret]

No staffs forum post 102

[mild lotus]

jk I got my first one last night

after a hundred of rolls checked

[gray island]

thats ~~ immensely complicated ~~ immeasurably complex to fix

[steel egret]

I have level 2 version on 321 sword.

Thats best Ive gotten so far.

[vivid merlin]

do you mean

immeasurably complex

[gray island]

youve bested me again

[vivid merlin]

there is nothing my unparalleled mind cannot achieve

except make deflection appear

[steel egret]

Ive heard this before

[vivid merlin]

German Psyker squad solidarity

Together we ride the edge of being correctly branded a heretic

But don't ride it too hard

[gray island]

honestley kinda tempted by this weekly axe. but its the wrong axe

[vivid merlin]

I have a delicate constitution

Why is it my turn for this shop refresh? It's always my turn

[steel egret]

I have one of these on 380, I think its the one with no cleave so its a bit tiresome.

[cold hornet]

does anyone know if the Sustained Fire (+%damage on 2nd & 3rd shot) blessing works on staff secondary fire ?

[gray island]

well my other option is this. so i guess im just waiting another day

[steel egret]

I just buy curios from weekly guy

[gray island]

the gatcha roll curios or his garbo shop ones

[copper plank]

Morning sister witches 🥰

[cyan notch]

does the gacha give anything good?

gm sibiling

[steel egret]

Gatcha

First way I saw 21% health curio

[vivid merlin]

I wish our pilot wouldn't fly so rough

[copper plank]

Agrees

Being dropped so roughly into a mission ruins my zen. Those fly Bois - pfft

[gray island]

if only it wasnt 303

[vivid merlin]

Even considering its a 303 its a good 303

Well, not terrible anyway

[copper plank]

Tactical axe or combat axe? Any suggestions?

[vivid merlin]

Combat mk 5

[cold hornet]

I'm all about that mobility tho

[gray island]

mk 5 is best axe

[cold hornet]

got to be able to run from danger at all times

[copper plank]

Yes

[pine topaz]

Anyone notice your aim going nuts when using special FS attack on a mutant?

[copper plank]

I am in danger a lot

[cold hornet]

thats why I run duelling sword

15% dodge boost is incredible

[pine topaz]

like, I go special FS attack on mutant, when my sword hits my cursor more often than not points to the ground

[vivid merlin]

It also hooks your camera into the ground when channeling fs or chainsword on shielded boss

[pine topaz]

^^ yEAHH

fatshark, you broke us

[young summit]

is any of the what axes are the ones to use, just the Combat MKV with its block/push attack? or are some of the other ones also decent?

[vivid merlin]

dunno I've never liked the animation flow of any tac axe I've dried

[copper plank]

I keep getting gifted hunter guns. Why won’t it gift my a legendary lightning staff - pouts

I think the Emperor is teasing me

[young summit]

becuse were obviously gunners, we have -er in our class name

someone sent the wrong memo to the emperor.

[valid marsh]

laspistol fucking sucks for psyker goddamn

[young summit]

And yes, stop giving me las pistols and lasguns pretty please ?

[valid marsh]

I didn't think it'd be spectacular but goddamn it can't even kill chaff right

and for some ungodly reason it takes two ammo per shot because ???

[young summit]

was stuck with the recon lasgun for ~15 levels.

[young summit]

Thers multiple versions of the lasguns. just like theres multiple versions of the combat axe, with different attacks

[austere burrow]

ya las pistol doesn't really have a use for us

[cyan echo]

Psyker? Hardly know her

[onyx oracle]

Hi all. Want to ask. Surge staff... Should I charge fully then fire or just constantly fire or charge half way... etc.

Which is the best rotation to do?

[dawn orchid]

Usually just spamming for maximum cc

The surge staff does -75% damage to unarmored enemies apparently, but +25% to armored

[onyx oracle]

For some reason pugs are very bad at killing elites. So Purge is great.

[cyan echo]

I charge it when there's, lets say, a bunch of maulers incoming

first a non-charged stun, then charge it up

[dawn orchid]

So it can do decent damage on armored foes if you charge it, but depending on the situation you may just want to spam and let your teammates take care of it.

[onyx oracle]

roger

[dawn orchid]

Horde scenarios are typically just spam for max cc

As stunned units will bodyblock those behind them

[copper plank]

If I get say a stack of 6 head pops does that then cause my lightning staff do more damage right after?

[dawn orchid]

Warp changes make your staff do more damage, yes

[copper plank]

Sweet

[onyx oracle]

thx!

[dawn orchid]

But it's also tedious to keep them up and you're primarily there for cc, so it's up to you whether you want to bother and what difficult you're on

There's talents to alleviate the tedium but they're not as reliable as I'd like

[finite lynx]

Witches

[copper plank]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-alexis-rose-shocked-jaw-dropping-jaw-drop-gif-23524458

Gunner boi snuck in!!

[finite lynx]

Camo expert ye dang witch

[tight saddle]

rip warp res

[sour bison]

hot

[copper plank]

We witches don’t need camo!! We just hide behind out Ogryns!!!

[vestal cradle]

i saw a dude with a black hood and black mask how do you get that?

or any hood other than the penance one for that matter

[copper plank]

And the vet cannon fodder

[finite lynx]

Ogryns are the blessed large brothers of us Veterans, not the warp spaghettified heretics

[copper plank]

🤪

Oh come on you know a hot witch stood next to you grunts looks hot. You know it 😁

[vestal cradle]

lmfao what

[cyan notch]

too bad the hairstyles and faces arent very good

[finite lynx]

[vestal cradle]

good enough to make an edgelord

an angry german edgelord*

[twilit path]

When it says Critical Peril, does it mean when it's in Red Colors?

[finite lynx]

This, right here, is why the black ships exist

[copper plank]

Hehe

[cyan notch]

90%

[twilit path]

Ah

So anything below that is not Critical. Thx

[copper plank]

Don’t worry too much if you go down due to peril there is always a grunt vet close by to pick you up 🤪

[finite lynx]

[steel egret]

Camo expert

[young summit]

i have a staff in the weekly now that has 79% on everything except cloud radios, thats 20%. and with the crit perk

but only have a 11.5 range out of 17.5 is kinda

bad

[onyx oracle]

Just a rant question: Why in the game I play Zealot or Psyker, I constantly find myself needing to do the CC one. Especially in PUGs...

[young summit]

that reason would be PuGs

[obsidian lichen]

Well, Psyker is one of the best for CC... so that makes sense.

[obsidian lichen]

Bear in mind that 380 base rating is the max. You can't have all stats at 80%.

[onyx oracle]

I play Zealot, also CC push like no tomorrow. I thought come play Psyker OK I can go flame staff and burn things down. Then somehow I find Zealots like no idea what is right mouse button.

[onyx oracle]

I guess this...

[twilit path]

[young summit]

PuGs are horrible

[obsidian lichen]

They are. Ugly and small, only fit to be stepped on.

[onyx oracle]

I need to find a good voidstrike staff and stand far away from front lines.

Let Zealots get flanked and die.

[twilit path]

But I want them

[young summit]

i have a voidstrike with quell on weakspot and faster charge

its a bit silly how much you can spam it

[obsidian lichen]

That's excellent.

Hopefully base stats are also good

[twilit path]

Pic?

[young summit]

its base rating is only 250 somethign though :<

[copper plank]

Tip: when in the drop ship and sat next to a vet sneaky pinch the chocolate ration from their back ammo pouch. They never carry ammo in it 🤓

[young summit]

lemme boot the game

[obsidian lichen]

Oh look, another Damnation solo. Literally nobody plays Damnation.

[young summit]

i alomsot solod a rank 1 for the weekly 10 min ago

untill1 other lev 30 joined in the last 5 minutes

[twilit path]

In Pugs. Do you really trust Pugs for that?

[young summit]

🤣

[obsidian lichen]

I have only done Damnation pugs.

Is there even a specific thread on this server for finding groups?

[twilit path]

You absolute madman

[onyx oracle]

U can complete? RESPECT!

[twilit path]

Yes

Vox Channels LFG

[twilit path]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042832970211397735

[obsidian lichen]

Mate... I have failed enough to know its pain. I just want the all 7 Damnation mission types frame.

[young summit]

Even with just 38% warp resistance and the lowest rank of the quell on weakspot, you easily loose heat during wavbes in rank 4 missions.

im not even bothering with building warp charges

The 4% quell must be just plain silly.

[obsidian lichen]

Ah, shame about those stats though.

[young summit]

got it at level 21 or so 😅

man was it silly on rank 3s

[twilit path]

This is my only Void

[young summit]

the zealot i play with forbid me form spamming it fully, as he had nothing to do during hordes

[twilit path]

Skill Issue

[young summit]

mor like when your pumping out blue balls for 5 minutes straight

shooting every .5s or so ...

😂

stuff was dead before he even got near it

[onyx oracle]

Chey as a Zealot main, I want pskers like that

[young summit]

even min charge ball spam kills in 2 hits

[drifting cairn]

whats the best melee for psyker again? I know its an axe but i forgot which

[young summit]

whiel also delaing decen knockback

[drifting cairn]

or is it force sword with deflector

[young summit]

mkV

spam the block attack

[obsidian lichen]

Force Sword with Deflector is the best really, just because you can close gaps with ease and tank so much.

[drifting cairn]

mkv tactical axe or?

or combat

[young summit]

regular axe

[twilit path]

That one

[young summit]

if you get a force sword with deflector thats also a good option

but it needs deflector

[twilit path]

Though not a fan of the Horde Combo

[drifting cairn]

guess ill look out for both!

[obsidian lichen]

Antax MkV axe is otherwise the best, imo.

[young summit]

the comabt axer you can basicaly run anny blessing on it

[obsidian lichen]

Just keep an eye on the armoury for an Antax or Force sword with atleast 360+ base rating and upgrade it. Pray for good blessings.

And then wait for them buggers to bring us crafting.

[twilit path]

Decent?

[young summit]

probably getting a axe nerf well before crafting 😅

though if they nerfe the axe before the power sword ......

[dense wasp]

Looking great but just the general stats could be higher 🙂

[twilit path]

I think I got this at a lower level a while ago

Afraid of letting it go

[dense wasp]

Yeah prolly still pretty usefull, 301/380 points in

[young summit]

for when you got the zoomies as a psyker

[obsidian lichen]

Good except for base stats. The 20% for Maniacs will help for 1-shotting muties, but 20% against unarmoured will help for horde clear also.

I just hope they introduce a way to raise base stats on gear through infusion or some such, or allow the transfer of perks/blessings. We'll see how their system works in the future - but 100% keep that sword.

[twilit path]

Cool

I just wish the Horde Combo was better. Light, Heavy, Block, Push feels very unnatural to me.

[dense wasp]

I usualy do heavy against horde with this sword

With a lot of back pedaling and pushes

Not enough aoe either way

[glossy bough]

What two blessings do you want on the surge staff? Not sure what the options are

Does it do enough damage to be worth stacking crit chance, for example?

[coarse ether]

I feel like veterans use psychics better than psykers. they can hide their presence and mark the invisible enemies

[spice owl]

So what rolls are you lookingfor with the surge staff?

[leaden needle]

damage warp resist and quell i think

[void anvil]

are these good blessings for voidstrike?

Normally Id always go for quell on weakspot

[bright cipher]

these are both pretty insignificant for void

might as well not have rolled anything

[steel egret]

301

[twilit path]

So..?

[steel egret]

Its worth the blessing, when they eventually allow us to move them.

[sturdy dagger]

Does the blessing on this even work

on the aoe i mean

[digital pagoda]

Applies to left click

[sturdy dagger]

rip

ive only just hit 30 but ive yet 2 see a reason 2 use the trauma force staff over voidstrike

[steel egret]

Least favourite staff, but atleast AOE is larger radius, too bad it doesnt do too much damage to enemies too far from center.

I would like to like it.

[sturdy dagger]

Same

super satisfying love the sound design but it just seems kinda

stinky

[steel egret]

Maybe if AOE was even larger, would be more fun.

[merry umbra]

I can see where it's better than void against huge hordes

[vivid merlin]

huge hordes with armored targets littered in it

[dawn orchid]

That's because the trauma staff is ass

[vivid merlin]

but then why not purg

[waxen hornet]

Anyone who's done pick n' mix penance can you give me any tips for doing it?

[sturdy dagger]

i honestly cant

[vivid merlin]

Trauma gets its lunch eaten

[sturdy dagger]

with its limited range why not just go purge staff

[dawn orchid]

Common issue with psyker, "why use this when I can just use something better"

Including the class itself

[steel egret]

Specific map spots and softened mobs and coordination I would imagine.

[sturdy dagger]

FRRRRRRR

[steel egret]

And 3 feat from last

[sturdy dagger]

idk why i basically have 1 hp right out the gate when i dont do anything better than the other classes

[waxen hornet]

Yeah but I'm looking for that specific advice. What talents to take, whic maps etc etc

[merry umbra]

Pick'n'Mix will happen naturally if you're playing IV/V

Go for the speedy brainburst

[twilit path]

I know for the last Feat, go for the one where after you use your Force Push, it'll make your BB charge faster

That's all I got

[waxen hornet]

Have you done it?

[merry umbra]

6 warpcharges too

for the dam

[twilit path]

No

[steel egret]

I mean there are spots with specials and if teammate downed and died off there might be 3 special more from that

[worthy wasp]

Psyker is prob strongest class in game

[fluid knot]

Ogryn.

[worthy wasp]

Bruh players are legitimately worse than bots

I'm genuinely surprised a number of these ppl are functioning members of society

[steel egret]

Bots dont pick stuff but they dont walk necessarily off ledge due pathing..

Not sure which I prefer

[robust geyser]

I lold

[ornate hamlet]

I put down an ammo pack for my zealot, pinged it 3 separate times, he walked back, looked at it, looked around the room, walked out and never went back to get ammo

The entire rest of the match before that he was taking ammo crates from every box on the map and never went below white, until that moment, where his ammo on the hud was orange

I dont get it

[twilit path]

At least I can rely on the Bots to actually pick me up right away when I get down, while the players are too "Busy" fighting of like 2-3 small guys.

Mean while me, the Psyker, had to deal with 20 or so.

[worthy wasp]

Youre prob one of the players I mention being worse than bots tbqh

[tight saddle]

why the fuck do we get blessings that don't work on a weapon

[flint sky]

🤡

[robust geyser]

🤓

[grave bobcat]

That one does work, not very good mind you. But it does function

[royal granite]

why do you think psyker is one of the strongest classes?

[flint sky]

He hasn't played the other classes

[robust geyser]

Yep lol

[worthy wasp]

The strongest. And I have played the others

[flint sky]

Either that or he thinks surge is worth basing a whole class around

[royal granite]

well i'd like to hear the reason

[dawn orchid]

I would also like to hear the reason

And what difficulties you play at

[robust geyser]

Bc hes a psyker main

[grave bobcat]

Or he is baiting like everyone who says dumb shit on discord 🥲

[dawn orchid]

There's a lot of that in this channel

Like the gunpsyker guy

[flint sky]

Gunpsyker guy ain't baiting

[royal granite]

well if everyone always went "well that can't be right it must be wrong" we wouldn't have quantum physics

[dawn orchid]

Who admitted he and his team go down a ton in his games, but insists gunpsyk is really OP

[royal granite]

so let's hear this new perspective

[robust geyser]

Arent guns just better than most psyker staves tbh

[grave bobcat]

Ngl most of the time I look in here it is arguing lol

[worthy wasp]

This and...

[flint sky]

Lmao no

[robust geyser]

At least for horde accatra is probs on par w voidstrike

[dawn orchid]

Thing is, some guns are. But you don't have them as the psyk, and if you want to use the normal guns, you're way better off with the other classes.

[worthy wasp]

This

[dawn orchid]

Bolter and flamer for example are fantastic

[worthy wasp]

@royal granite

[dawn orchid]

You don't have them

[grave bobcat]

Holy fuck what an essay.

[flint sky]

That was a very funny moment

[grave bobcat]

tl;dr

[royal granite]

alright i've read it

[grave bobcat]

My condolences.

[robust geyser]

Weird bc some of these pros psykers does other classes can do

[dawn orchid]

I think you're confusing one very strong talent for the strength of an entire class

[robust geyser]

Most***

[fluid knot]

Where is funny essay

Give Ogryn summat to laugh at

[royal granite]

i don't disagree that these are strong points for psykers, but i think it still doesn't measure up to the vets ability to stay permanently in volley fire, for example

[flint sky]

Derelik and all his little speds do

[dawn orchid]

Most of the class is ass, and bb is laughably poor at elite killing in higher difficulties. Sure it can snipe specials, if you put down everything you're doing for a long channel with a ton of peril gen.

[worthy wasp]

Vet cant solo carry damnation like Psyker can

[robust geyser]

Mfw it takes a few shots with any gun to kill sniper/bomb

[steel egret]

Ogryn noobtube should be instant

[worthy wasp]

Again, psyker can tank a DH infinitely WHILE fighting off a horde

[uneven sparrow]

With talents staff Psyker is the key component of a dps cone or so it feels to me when I’m the only one

[dawn orchid]

Maybe if you're doing surge spam on top of peril block, the two only good things for the class in high difficulty atm

[sterile lake]

The easiest time on t4 so far was with zealot for me, no idea why
I did not use the critical hit for low health, just an eviscarator and a boltgun
Was the only class I could reliably have a good chance at successs
in t4

[dawn orchid]

But even then you absolutely don't solo carry, you need your team to be useful because you aren't doing damage.

[fluid knot]

*Pro-pipe

[steel egret]

True

[uneven sparrow]

We are the engines, truckin on

[worthy wasp]

Arent doing damage?

[robust geyser]

I still thinm ripper guns need a mention when talking about ogryn guns

[fluid knot]

All of our firearms are good tbh

[robust geyser]

FS damage is pathetic lol

[fluid knot]

Its just about preference for us

[robust geyser]

Not a big fan of kickback

[steel egret]

Especially now

[flint sky]

300 bb dps

[worthy wasp]

I dont use FS

[flint sky]

500 fs dps

[steel egret]

Stubber update

[worthy wasp]

Axe gang

[steel egret]

Why

[fluid knot]

Nah arguably thats the weakest, but it also provides a fuckton of suppression even by landing shots near enemies so it still has a place

[night crane]

Box gang

[worthy wasp]

Because fast passive quell

[uneven sparrow]

You can empty it into specials and they die what are you eating sibling

[robust geyser]

Tbh just use ripper lol

[worthy wasp]

FS has slow passive quell

[uneven sparrow]

Wrong fs nvm

[fluid knot]

Reload an inaccuracy is why i dont personally use it, Rumbler all the way 🙏

[robust geyser]

Why not justplay ogryn with slab shield

[nocturne maple]

I'm so glad they changed the monster penance to only 90%, I actually manged to get it

[dawn orchid]

Yes, surge spamming and blocking to tank results in very low damage.

[steel egret]

But it also has ranged block and infinite dodge

[worthy wasp]

Antax MkV + kinetic deflection

[robust geyser]

Thats why Emprah gave us many boolet

[robust geyser]

Just use ogryn lol

[fluid knot]

Yes pal, that is true

[steel egret]

No ogryn in store this rotation

[uneven sparrow]

Does the Psyker have any unique guns

[fluid knot]

Emprah's bestest bois

[worthy wasp]

Ogryn cant spam pushes

[robust geyser]

No lol

[dawn orchid]

Nope

Just staffs

[uneven sparrow]

[steel egret]

Staffs, 1 sword

[robust geyser]

Ogryn can loop push and H1 over and over?

[royal granite]

isn't duelling sword unique to us?

[robust geyser]

Thats massive cc

[steel egret]

Hmm

[uneven sparrow]

It is, that’s a melee doe

[robust geyser]

And also tons of stamina

[fluid knot]

Uhh we dont need to We can stagger-lock everything except monstrosities an even then a lot of the time those too

[steel egret]

Probably yeah

[robust geyser]

Ogryn gets the best stagger with push h1 over and over

[steel egret]

I remember vet complaining about combat sword missing

[fluid knot]

Also all the melee specials have it, literally kill anything 1 on 1 without getting hit

[royal granite]

i don't understand why we got the duelling sword

it's not a very psyker thing

[robust geyser]

Yeah but i think slab gets the biggest cone

[uneven sparrow]

French

I will duel you with baguette

[robust geyser]

And blocking is good

[fluid knot]

It does yeah, but DPS is terrible vs other options, Bully club slap is also pretty big too

[royal granite]

would rather have a force hammer, force axe, force rod even

[dawn orchid]

Yeah, that's also important to mention. The strongest parts of psyker are just inferior to other classes apart from surge. But you can stunlock specials AND horde clear with a flamer on the zealot too.

[robust geyser]

Ik, i use cleaver instead of slab cos its good, but slab 100% has more util

[fluid knot]

I 'av yet to play the witch tbh

[uneven sparrow]

Duelling sword fits for Psyker just dodging like a psycho (sorry)

[robust geyser]

But going back, psyker offers not much over the other classes

[royal granite]

also i'm not sure the daemonhost should be a part of this conversation since proper play is to just not engage with it

[uneven sparrow]

Since theyre squish

[royal granite]

even if you tank a daemonhost properly you take tons of corruption

[fluid knot]

Agreed, but then thats also why i use Rumbler, it has the most utility of the firearm options an that covers for the lack of it on the cleaver 🙂

[grave bobcat]

That's a good point tbh lol

[royal granite]

and there's no benefit to killing it

[fluid knot]

Satisfaction of purging not enough? Starting to sound like 'eretics here...

[robust geyser]

Fingers crossed psyker gets a buff next patch

[uneven sparrow]

I have to say my zealot friend does some dirty damage to them, to the point I just let them do it and pull it

[bleak sonnet]

no buff needed

[twilit path]

Yeah. Unless you have a Shieldgryn, or God Tier Dodging and Blocking, you walk away from it.

[royal granite]

yes i worship tzeentch. give me the god of hope over a corpse on life support any day

[uneven sparrow]

With the hammer

[dawn orchid]

Needs some design changes imo, a lot of the talents are overdesigned to the point of uselessness and require the whole tree unlocked to make use of them at all

[steel egret]

I suppose psyker gets dueling sword due being squishy so they want to encourage dodging.

[worthy wasp]

Here we are dunking on t5s having randoms tell us why psyker sucks

[steel egret]

Thats best I can come up with

[uneven sparrow]

I believe it has talents that sync to dodges, although I’d rather have other ones

[robust geyser]

Alright buddy settle down

[royal granite]

i don't think psyker needs buffs directly, it needs reworks to make stuff feel useful

[steel egret]

Id rather have twohanded force sword.

[uneven sparrow]

I too would like a claymore

[steel egret]

Or something, less rifles and such

[twilit path]

Wished the Flame Staff was more like a cone instead of a Line

[royal granite]

warp charge mechanic feels completely inconsequential for example

[dawn orchid]

Being a two trick pony that only does things other classes do but worse is indicative of poor design.

[worthy wasp]

You tell yourself that

Class has low skill floor for sure

[royal granite]

are you just pretending the surge staff doesn't exist now?

[dawn orchid]

The surge staff is one of the two tricks

[steel egret]

Yeah but we get 33% toughness damage resistance that requires upkeep of several warp cores.

[dawn orchid]

The other is block

[royal granite]

surge is hardly something another class does better

[dawn orchid]

Flamer

[twilit path]

Isn't that only for Ranged?

[dawn orchid]

Oh whoops

[steel egret]

Most likely

[royal granite]

the only other class that even has cc like that is zealot with the stun grenades, and those are unwieldy as hell

[dawn orchid]

Flamer can stunlock specials and horde clear

[steel egret]

Making it even more amazing.

[dawn orchid]

And do damage

[royal granite]

flamer is nowhere near as reliable a cc tool as surge

[dawn orchid]

Surge is stunlocking specials very well, but lacks heavily in clear.

[steel egret]

The effect is stagger isnt it?

[dawn orchid]

What makes you say that?

You can actually hit specials through a horde with flamer

[royal granite]

less uptime, runs out of ammo

[uneven sparrow]

If zealot culture is hugging psykers that’s fine with me

[dawn orchid]

It's very ammo efficient actually

And far more useful in a pinch

[royal granite]

not if you have to reload it

[dawn orchid]

Although if you're just running into elites and no hordes then sure, surge is better

[royal granite]

besides i don't think crushers care about flamers

[dawn orchid]

You have to reload your staff 😂

[steel egret]

Staff reload speed

[twilit path]

"reload" but yeah

[steel egret]

[royal granite]

quelling the tiny amount of peril you need to get off a surge takes very little time

[dawn orchid]

You need to cast constantly to keep it stunlocked

[tardy flower]

if you're not pinging "i need ammo" in every mission while wielding your staff, you aren't doing it right

[livid wraith]

The zealot busts out the flamer and everyone breathes a sigh of relief as the horde disintegrates. The psyker pulls out his surge staff and we go "oh cool, now I get to melee shiny blue things"

[dawn orchid]

And especially if you're trying to stun something through a horde

[uneven sparrow]

Even with the nerfs they did a good job at space wizard vibe

[royal granite]

you can do that at max peril, it's not even hard

[steel egret]

Zealot flamer is more damage for sure.

[jovial lark]

bros... when are we getting buffs?

[steel egret]

Depends

[dawn orchid]

If you want to asplode, unless you mean something other than what you said.

[uncut hamlet]

They'll likely change the class so it feels better to use at least, namely BB and warp charges. Maybe in 7 months after the core features are out

[livid wraith]

He's implying a bug is good class design kekw

[cyan echo]

When I play psyker it feels more like barbarian-jedi, what with the axewielding and shooting lightning bolts out of my ass

[livid wraith]

by that logic the flamer is good against crushers.

[uneven sparrow]

Staff quell animation - yup

[royal granite]

you can quell enough peril to squirt out another surge before the last one wears off

[dawn orchid]

Oh, what's the bug?

That's actually less efficient than going to zero, I've noticed the peril drops faster the longer you quell

[livid wraith]

just constantly cast purge at 100 peril and tap r when the bar is about to run out

still worse than flamer kekw

[royal granite]

we're talking about surge, tencent

[livid wraith]

Ah my bad. the arguments blind me

they all mix together now

the warp calls me

[uneven sparrow]

Should try argument soup

[dawn orchid]

Still worse than flamer for practical use

[grave bobcat]

If an Ogryn has a shield can they not hold right click while ressing? (Only played Psyker)

[royal granite]

they can

don't need to though, that's automatic in this game

[grave bobcat]

Muscle memory 🤷

[royal granite]

same tbh

[grave bobcat]

Wonder what killed him then

[royal granite]

an ogryn got killed while ressing? ran out of stamina maybe

[uneven sparrow]

Let’s just reflect on the fact that a crusher whose brain you have literally turned into jelly can still function

[grave bobcat]

Yeah I'm wondering what happened now too lol

[royal granite]

his helmet blocked it :)

[livid wraith]

You just crushed the already nonfunctioning portion

[uneven sparrow]

[livid wraith]

the lead poisoning blocked transference

[royal granite]

the microplastics are non-conductive

[tight saddle]

does this axe do the chop chop?

[grave bobcat]

Shadowplay decided to turn itself off so I'll neevr get to find out what happened 😢

[livid wraith]

If you roll brutal momentum on it , it will

[worthy wasp]

5 man party

[sterile sable]

SLAM IT!

[livid wraith]

it will still perform well though probably.

[tight saddle]

I need plasteels but I don't want to do low easy difficulties

[grave bobcat]

Roller

[grave bobcat]

I felt this

[crimson pond]

Do you guys think with next weeks update that they will rework some of our challenges for psyker? Mainly Pick ‘d and Mix ?

[cyan notch]

probablu

[crimson pond]

It would be so amazing if they did

[twilit path]

I was hoping they rework that Overwatch Penance for Vet.

[worn heart]

yo, after doing 100% of the veteran penances i wanted to try something a bit spicier and started leveling a psyker. Is there a trick to using the electric staff to stun whole waves of enemies? Does it just "chain" by itself?

[grave bobcat]

Chains by itself really, you can just kinda "direct" it.

I like that it can kill shit I can't even see though 🥲

[hidden coral]

Pick n' Mix wasn't so bad compared to some of the others. Basically requires the lvl 30 talent to not go insane, but like a lot of penances, just needs a good roll on mission start.

The self-destruct one on the other hand, oof. Or bowl over 6 Ogryns

[uncut hamlet]

Self destruct I just had my ogryn friend block the doorway into a room of 6 shotgunners

theyre hella squishy

it was on malice with endless i believe

[hidden coral]

Nah, the electric staff's weakness is dealing with hordes. It has a max amount of targets it can go for

It utterly disables those targets regardless of strength which is nice

But it means it works poorly on a mass of weak targets

[twilit path]

Yeah. The trick is to NOT fully charge it. Just spam it

[worn heart]

oh fair enough

[nocturne maple]

What I hate about the 6 ogryns one was, it was originally 4, and for whatever reason they made it even harder

[grave bobcat]

It's so silly it only does like 30 dmg to the basic horde enemies lol

Then 600 on maulers

[twilit path]

Armor

[grave bobcat]

???

[worn heart]

I do usually play in premade with a flamer zealot so bringing the flame staff would probably be overkill anyway, might as well keep on the Electric one and zaap the primary dangers

[twilit path]

Wait, we talking about the Surge Staff?

[grave bobcat]

Ye

[hidden coral]

That being said if you're looking for horde clear, Voidstrike may be the most powerful weapon in the game for that goal. A charged hit aimed at a horde's head height will cleave a hole right through them

It's also not bad for dangerous targets

[twilit path]

Lighting Staff does more damage against targets with armor

[hidden coral]

Not high dps, but will stunlock them decently

[grave bobcat]

Hmm

Don't maniacs have no armor?

[hidden coral]

Depends

Dreg maniacs dont

Scab maniacs do

They got flak armour

[royal granite]

maniac is an armour type

[hidden coral]

O

[twilit path]

I've given up on which are Maniacs cause I feel like the game doesn't tell me specifically.

[grave bobcat]

TIL

[hidden coral]

Whoops that's right, thinking of ragers

[grave bobcat]

I was also talking about ragers 🥲

[hidden coral]

Because that enemy niche was called maniacs in Vermintide iirc

Wah

[grave bobcat]

But I'm in meatgrinder and just typed what I saw aabove them lmao

[hidden coral]

Yeah the armour type comes up in meatgrinder when you hit people

[royal granite]

you see the armour type when you hit them

[hidden coral]

So maniac must be for unarmoured ragers

And maybe like

Mutants?

[hidden coral]

Nice

[grave bobcat]

Coincidentally

[twilit path]

Specialized enemies, often referred to as "specials", are enemies that are programmed to behave in a certain unique way. Pox Hound, Bomber, etc. If they have a sound cue, Special.

[grave bobcat]

The Rager takes wayyy more damage than the mutant 😄

[hardy lily]

I though maniac was just the enemy "race" class, not the armor type

[hidden coral]

Yeah the values can change across the same armours

It's odd

[twilit path]

Elite enemies are predominately melee heavy-hitters. They are often heavily armored and difficult to take down, and on higher difficulties you are likely to encounter groups of them. Maulers and Ragers

This also includes Bulwarks, Reapers and Crushers

[royal granite]

maniac is an armour type

[grave bobcat]

I just feel as though it pick and chooses what to do full dmg too tbh lol

[hardy lily]

Aren't ragers classified as maniac and not elite?

[grave bobcat]

Considering Ragers and Mutant is both Maniac but both take completely different damage

[twilit path]

Again, I can't even tell. Game doesn't say.

[hidden coral]

I can confirm for the suicide bomb achieve

Ragers do count as elites

[royal granite]

the game lies about damage constantly, i have no idea what's going on

[hidden coral]

So I'd say that's prob how they're classified

Since specials don't count for the penance

(watched my friend learn that the hard way)

[grave bobcat]

Can concur ragers count as elites cause it procs some of the, on elite kill etc etc

[hardy lily]

Huh, ragers are definitely an odd man out

[twilit path]

So I just need a room with 3 Ragers and I'm good?

[hardy lily]

Not particularly tanky out of the elites

[hidden coral]

Yup! In theory they should be a good option for that penance

But most people I know got it off of gunners/shotgunners haha, myself included

They're just so much squishier

[hardy lily]

Shotgunners are elites too???? Wtf

[twilit path]

Yeah, but the Suicide explosion doesn't one-shot

[lethal folio]

Anything you can ping is elite or special.

[hidden coral]

Yeeeee. If it's not a special and you can highlight it, it's an Elite. Or monstrosity

[hardy lily]

I assumed they were specialists not elites

[twilit path]

The problem is telling the 2 apart

[royal granite]

or ammo

[hidden coral]

Specials (i think?) also have a designated sound when they spawn

Whereas elites dont

[twilit path]

Yes

[royal granite]

killing ammo is really tough

[twilit path]

And Yes

[hidden coral]

Since you can just round a corner and elites are just chilling

[royal granite]

i don't think i've ever managed it

vets do it just fine though

another area where vets are just better smh

[glass glen]

whats the best difficulty to do going out with a bang im ready to rip my hair out trying to do the penance

[twilit path]

I assume just Malice

[hardy lily]

Huh... So specialist damage bonus sucks and elite damage bonus is good

[twilit path]

Too high might give them too much hp

[hidden coral]

Alone I always did it in Damnation in the early morning to be alone. From a practical standpoint (if you can get a team on board with going for it), Malice with Endless Hordes

Would be best

[glass glen]

i see ive been trying for almost 2 days now everyone just doesnt wanna help lmao

[hidden coral]

I'd say Elite damage bonus is generally more useful, yeah. That being said, we might see more granular benefits to them once we can cap out damage stats via crafting. Once that becomes possible, breakpoint calculators will prob be more prevelant

Which will make certain bonuses more attractive for particular weapons

[gray island]

Siblings. we got one ...

[grave bobcat]

I feel like I'd just use FS to push the elites into a ball then detonate myself lol

[hardy lily]

So wait... Scab gunners are elite too? Jesus

[gray island]

all pingable enemies are Special / elites

[hidden coral]

Yup! I got the penance off of them, just happened to be 3 standing next to each other at the start of a damnation mission

[grave bobcat]

It doesn't sound "too" hard but I'm prob just ignorant to how annoying it can be lol

[hidden coral]

The issue is that rounding them up like you describe is really hard alone

[glass glen]

only issue with that is they have hella hp

[hidden coral]

They're not gonna just stand around

And if you have bots, they might kill them

[twilit path]

So basically anything that DOESN'T have a sound cue is a Elite?

[hidden coral]

If you have randoms, they'll def kill them

[grave bobcat]

To be fair with how most of my Heresy/Damnation missions go

[hidden coral]

Not as much as most elites! Still had to soften them, I used the surge staff for that

And the high peril gain

[grave bobcat]

I can prob wait or them to die to attempt it lmfao

[glass glen]

its annoying asfffff even when you try explain your tryna do a penance someone has to ruin it

[gray island]

i just go by ping for the Pick n Mix Penance. but i think that'd a fair assumption as well

[hidden coral]

Ye for pick and mix I'd go for gunners

They're the most reliable

[grand yoke]

Hey, I had a question, but I assume there probably won't be an answer because everyone in here seems just about as confused as me:

'Kinetic Shield
'Take between 10% and 33% reduced Toughness damage from Ranged Attacks based on your current number of Warp Charges.'

Does Kinetic Shield require a Warp Charge to be active at 10%, or is that active even with no Warp Charges? Also, does the 33% maximum take into account Warp Battery's modified maximum of 6, or does it reach the 33% from just the 4?