psyker-class

[tranquil fiber]

I've got a Zealot at 30 and it feels much better than my Psyker leveling up.

[cerulean cave]

oh AGREED

psyker leveling SUCKS

[long wharf]

strange, I never had a problem leveling my psyker

[devout axle]

It's been a whole week since release and I'm curious if opinions have changed in that time. so I'm creating another staff poll.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/kogjv36xvg6

[spark gale]

Does anyone know what threshold voidstaff damage % needs to be at in order to have the lowest hits to kill possible?

[cerulean cave]

you only start popping off at like 25-30 as Psyker

[tranquil fiber]

I started leveling my Psyker from Level 1 on Monday, I'm level 29 as off right now... so we'll see it plays from here on.

[carmine raptor]

I use my psyker in damnation with purgation staff and do very well, deflection sword saves lives and the CC (though not as good as surge) from purgation locks big groups down

[night marten]

does this have a *play vet instead, option?

[long wharf]

but then I'm guessing you leveled your zealot after FS made its weapons available earlier

[royal granite]

better sprinkle in some more IMO's, you know folks are gonna be hitting you with the "actually objectively from a game design perspective"

[teal cargo]

But idk Kinetic Deflection seems intended its not like blocking endlessly kills things fast

[silent fulcrum]

LF1M to complete Heresy challenges!

[cerulean cave]

yea, that's exactly why I made it bold and CAPS lmao

[zinc phoenix]

You ran out of heat slightly slower than you’d have run out of stam in the same situation but could then trigger unchained Sienna go boom skill

[hot tulip]

https://gyazo.com/a08ba129931d66ab67e10e01c1c463f4

lul

[cerulean cave]

btw to those saying you run damnation, you guys doing it with premades, I'm guessing?

[tranquil fiber]

All I can say is that some of the Psyker Penances suck..... I refuse to do blowing myself up for elites right now as well as the juggle warp charges.

[hot tulip]

sunken cost fallacy

[royal granite]

also i don't think veteran does horde clear as well as psykers, they get the initial burst of it from grenades but then fall off pretty hard. they could use a braced autogun but those things have no ammo

[ornate hamlet]

Those aren’t that bad. Pick n mix is the real bitch

[tranquil fiber]

This 1000%

[coarse spade]

someone wwanna give me a tl;dr on the meta for this class real quick? playstyle / weapons / feats?

[teal cargo]

I mainly used it to Vent heat, get up to full, block a few hits and you good to go for more casting

[ornate hamlet]

Surge staff or void staff is prolly meta right now

[hearty burrow]

Nope, 80% with randos

[tranquil fiber]

yeah I suspect I'll be able to do that with the new mission challenge and level 30 feat for quick BB

[cerulean cave]

surge/purgatus staff, Antax MK5 battle axe, go nuts.

[night marten]

*or deflector perk force sword

[teal cargo]

Voidstrike is nice too

[royal granite]

play it for staffs and force sword, the feats and class features are pretty mid right now, fingers crossed for a rework soon

[cerulean cave]

idk what I do wrong then. most of the time I queue for damnation, I'm alone in the lobby lmao

[zinc phoenix]

It’s probably impossible otherwise tbh. I mean maybe if you’re in the top percentile of players you can carry a team of pugs through it but 🤷‍♀️

[teal cargo]

if you wanna do Lr stuff

[tranquil fiber]

/ /

[sour coral]

a couple choice shots of bolter clears swatchs of horde. and one grenade with bleed drops large areas of horde. Then power sword easily cleans up and also takes out elites mixed it no problem.

[ornate hamlet]

This is true.

[spark gale]

Void is just fun to me. I feel effective. I feel like the other staves are only situationally useful while void can do it all, while not necessarily better at 1 thing, it is all around good in every sitch

[teal cargo]

Yea voids decent at everything

[severe laurel]

Why does the Axe have cleave on it when its all strikedowns as attacks?

[ornate hamlet]

My big problem right now is the lack of a staff that can kill elites. It’s like they intend us to pick up guns to do that. Gross

[sullen bobcat]

Trauma 😢

[left hare]

because the axe push attack has some good ass cleave

[teal cargo]

Surg and Purg are real good for their niches though

[severe laurel]

Ah okay

[silent fulcrum]

LF1M for Psyker Heresy Penances!

[floral palm]

For me surge staff just trumps everything else. Does really good damage and the team definitely notices the elites not being physically allowed to move ever

[tranquil fiber]

Trauma is 8 years of therapy for me right now

[cerulean cave]

push-followup attack

[severe laurel]

MooMooCows, you betrayin' Ogryn! 😮

Wait, I betraying Ogryn too!

[devout axle]

People will never understand us, my fellow Trauma enjoyer.

[severe laurel]

-hides-

[sour coral]

Surge does ok as long as there is no chaff in the way.

[left hare]

i was always a psyker main

[severe laurel]

-gasp-

[cerulean cave]

grabs stones

[tranquil fiber]

[cerulean cave]

GET EM

[left hare]

i just happened to become an ogryn main

[spark gale]

I just fall asleep usin it

[trail tapir]

WE / ARE / THE HAMMER

[ornate hamlet]

This isn’t really true at higher difficulties. The time to kill is super poor

[floral palm]

Its boring but effective

[royal granite]

the bolter has even less ammo than the braced autogun, grenades run out, power sword i'll grant you, but does leave you vulnerable to trappers, dogs, stuff like that in the crowd

[teal cargo]

Surge is great at killing Scabs

Like the night vision shooters you zap to death fast

[echo parrot]

The temptation of Slaanesh in staff form.

[sullen bobcat]

Surge is great for turning off enemy AI and making everything easy

[left hare]

surge staff is good purely cos of the cc letting ur team shoot/attack freely

[tranquil fiber]

Surge is great at stressing me out with teammates who can't see I'm ccing for my life right now.

[cerulean cave]

yea they're usually one shot, while dregs, for some reason, are not

[teal cargo]

The Dreg gunners takr forever to zap though

[zinc phoenix]

The lasgun that barfs loads of different beams seems really effective at killing stuff tbh

[hearty burrow]

Yeah, start with bots. But there are many masochist who do public damnation

[bleak sonnet]

surge is good with meh players, useless pmuch with good players

good pub wep

[sour coral]

You just throw everything everywhere and make it harder to deal with hordes. I hate when psykers use that staff.

[cerulean cave]

so people usually join after?

[floral palm]

Surge + Premade with a competent Vet = Steamroll all content

[zinc phoenix]

Purgatus is so much better for that tho because it staggers most stuff after a bit of fire

[tranquil fiber]

Premade = Any content

thats basically what this game is for

[sullen bobcat]

Premade with a competent vet = steamroll any content

[hearty burrow]

Yep for me, but not in every match

[ornate hamlet]

Purg range is trash tier though

[tranquil fiber]

people with friends

[sullen bobcat]

I want modded difficulties pls

[teal cargo]

Yea trauma just throws enemies behind you and lofe sucks

[sour coral]

You dont blast away with bolter. It is powerful. I have never ran out of ammo. Grenades refresh and never run out as well.

[tranquil fiber]

guess I'll see myself out...

[cerulean cave]

I've yet to see purg stagger as efficiently as surge

[ornate hamlet]

Imo purg feels bad

[tranquil fiber]

[sullen bobcat]

Where level 8 dwons

[left hare]

i have tested the purg stagger

it staggers everything heavily except for ogryn level enemies

[zinc phoenix]

Well yeah, it’s not as good as surge at staffer but it also staffers more than six dudes at a time

[ornate hamlet]

I just want aqshy to tell me if beam staff is coming

[royal granite]

grenades are on a one minute cooldown unless you find a box, they can't carry the whole horde clear

[runic hornet]

Purg stagger elites just fine, but there's a weird delay on it
If you're not aware of that delay, the rager eats you

[left hare]

bulwarks get staggered if hit from the back with m1

[bleak sonnet]

so the enemies u want to stagger lol

[teal cargo]

Purg staggers hordes well

[runic hornet]

by contrast surge tazes a rager as soon as you let it rip

[tranquil fiber]

it staggers 5- 6 enemies...

[left hare]

its awkward to use against ranged enemies tho

[tranquil fiber]

so people spam it

to get different targets

[zinc phoenix]

I always F a nearby rager before doing anything

[teal cargo]

Purg def staggers more than 5-6

[left hare]

against gunners u kinda just have to hope ur team shoots the gunners ur staggering

[cerulean cave]

definitely needs getting used to, but purg doesnt stagger immediately either, in my opinion.
Surge feels more reliable to stagger, while with purg it's a coinflip. From my experience

[royal granite]

that's surge

[teal cargo]

anything you hit with the flamethrower

[runic hornet]

purg literally stagger everything it hits through horde

[sullen bobcat]

When are we getting the corscuant staff for more Sienna memes

[devout axle]

Or Coruscation shotgun/area control staff.

[spark gale]

I wish the levels were randomized cause it's getting a bit stale doin the same few missions

[tranquil fiber]

oh we talking purge

my bad

[sour coral]

You dont have to carry it. You shouldn't. especially not with grenades. It is an oh shit button. The power sword is better at general horde clear.

[acoustic ingot]

how do you guys maintain your warp charges for peril resist for staff spam? feelsbad to use BB on just random stuff

[tired tinsel]

I want a Sienna bolt staff

[tranquil fiber]

I do like how Purge can chew through mobs

[teal cargo]

Corruscating was my fav

shotgun and area deny

[left hare]

I want beam staff lol.

[tranquil fiber]

but it doesn't feel as great as Zealot's Flamethrower

[runic hornet]

we got voidstrike, whic hI would argue is better

[sullen bobcat]

You don't. It's a waste of time

[runic hornet]

Voidstrike is the unholy combination of bolt+fireball and it's great

[tired tinsel]

Not really the same thing tho

[left hare]

void strike isnt as fast and high damage on specials than bolt

[royal granite]

well we're talking about who does it better. veteran is capable of horde clear, but not better than a psyker

[runic hornet]

yeah, slower projectiles and it doesn't snipe elites

[ornate hamlet]

Meh

[left hare]

bolt was a special sniper

very potent one

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike is not a better bolt staff

[sullen bobcat]

You spend 1/3 of your game just brain popping and another 1/6 venting the perils from brain pop. Just ignore brain burst or use that talent with the 4% warp charge chance

[teal cargo]

yea the Purg is better clear than the power sword imo

[ornate hamlet]

It’s a better fireball sure

[dusky whale]

can you block range fire with the psyker somehow?

[tranquil fiber]

Zealot Flamethrower vs Psyker

[zinc phoenix]

Perk that gives you aura for 4% chance of warp token on kill and perk that gives you BB on 10% of hits will keep it up indefinitely. There’s also the perk that gives you charge when soulfure kills something

[static epoch]

I said this many times and quite a lot of us agree that the time you spend managing your charges is time better spent helping your team in some other way. Heck even running off to loot a box can be better 🤣

[runic hornet]

yep

[cerulean cave]

Vet shouldnt HAVE to clear horde and if they do, they should melee

[runic hornet]

Force sword can roll "deflector" blessing

[dusky whale]

how

[sour coral]

Vet is better because it can take out elites in the horde as well as the horde. Psyker can get overwhelmed by elites in horde.

[ornate hamlet]

But the left click on bolt is infinitely cooler imho. Anime wizard

[left hare]

forgot to ask, for hordes do u charge the purg or m1 spam regardless?

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/L2fEIomWwTMZk/d1337tw9fDSl?invite=cr-MSxJQU4sNDg2MDU3NTUs

[royal granite]

yeah, but someone said vets can do EVERYTHING better than a psyker, which isn't really true

[teal cargo]

I charge

[dusky whale]

oooo this seems sweeeeeeet

[left hare]

i did not test the charged stagger

[royal granite]

@runic hornet sorry wrong ping

[left hare]

i only tested m1 stagger

[teal cargo]

m1 spam i do when needing yo rush down shooters

[night marten]

at a high level, I think it's true

[zinc phoenix]

I charge but I’m gonna test m1 today

[left hare]

i already tested m1

it staggers heavily all enemies below ogryn

[inner moth]

Good lord, trying to get this Cliffhanger penance today and it is such a pain

[royal granite]

a vet definitely can't hold off the stream of dudes as well as a purge or void psyker at the end of a strike

[left hare]

it cannot stagger the ragers if they are comboing

[sullen bobcat]

Maintaining warp charges with just brain burst is legitimately spending 50% of your time for literally 12-18% more damage

[runic hornet]

brainburst has its utility even on damnation
Sometimes there are 3 reapers shooting down a lane and while everyone else is forced to go down the flank passage, you can start working on the reapers
Or you can even stagger the reaper with just one BB and then the veteran goes ham now that he's not suppressed and can't shit with his bolter

goddamn it misreply

[devout axle]

Imagine the pain of us who got it when you needed 20 kills for it.

[ornate hamlet]

I mean the real hot take here is that we don’t really need crafting since most of us could run damnation without it. We need build diversity and new weapons to build out more reasons to keep playing

[inner moth]

20 kills seems insane, frankly

[royal granite]

that's the fun thing, because of opportunity costs, it's spending 50% of your time to LOSE way more damage than you gain!

[sullen bobcat]

Brain burst is really good stagger for things like bulwarks too. For a vet, you wait for the brain burst to go off and then unleash

[cerulean cave]

pretty sure the only thing that can stagger ragers mid combo is an ogryn heavy and surge staff

[zinc phoenix]

I agree but like it’s really slow unless you take the speed boost perk on F. also I think you replied to wrong person.

[runic hornet]

crafting is important for build diversity because certain weapon blessings open up alternative playstyles. See: deflector

[left hare]

not even an ogryn heavy

[night marten]

I'm not really interested in arguing over micro situations where the tools are clearly different, more just saying at a macro level a team is more likely to be successful with (skilled) vets

[left hare]

ogryn either slaps or punches the rager

only ogryn hands can stop the ragers mania

[runic hornet]

even on the purgatus build, you still use it during "downtime"

[left hare]

i tested this

[zinc phoenix]

Certainly been my experience

[runic hornet]

and there is, quite frankly, a lot of downtime

[cerulean cave]

couldve sworn I smacked them to the side with a heavy from a club

[zinc phoenix]

I mostly use it to compensate for my ass aim 😂

[royal granite]

well this is an argument about micro situations, so please extricate yourself from the conversation

[left hare]

was it during their combo moves?

[runic hornet]

you don't BB during the peak part of a horde engagement but there are parts where you're busy holding the "good ground" (because pushing is death) and you can get off BBs then

[left hare]

combo moves has stagger resistance

which ogryn hands for some reason ignore

[runic hornet]

ogyrn club has massive stagger, so yes, that works too

[cerulean cave]

yes

[runic hornet]

It's why ogyrn club doesn't have uppercut (massive single target stagger), because club heavies already have that

[cerulean cave]

figured I wasnt going insane yet

[runic hornet]

Club instead gets the slap special

[left hare]

cool

[night marten]

vets are more effective at our roles, in aggregate. It's sad but true

[left hare]

slap works on ragers btw

[runic hornet]

Which is basically a zero stamina push, which is neat

[zinc phoenix]

Playing ogryn is such fun with the stagger

Much rashons

[royal granite]

ogryn who hold w and smack enemies around without killing them are the worst

[sullen bobcat]

I'll occasionally use brain burst to clear ranged enemies when pushing roaming enemies. It's just really safe to do so by popping in and out of cover

That or use it to generate perils to vent for more toughness

[runic hornet]

I wish I hadn't clipped it out of this situation, but https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/L7c1MrYDyUxxq/d1337H3Ujnz6?invite=cr-MSxYMUgsNDg2MDU3NTUs

ignore me, uh, blowing myself up

[royal granite]

they don't have the cc potential of the surge staff nor the horde clear of the purge

[left hare]

i'm gonna test the charged purgatus stagger

[sullen bobcat]

Tbh, I just use the force sword to generate perils by charging it and switching over and over

[left hare]

1 sec

[runic hornet]

But the veteran and I were pinned down here for a solid 6 minutes

[night marten]

unnecessary, they just kill things more effectively

[runic hornet]

By a full 3 reapers+gunners+riflemen platoon

we couldn't progress safely

Wanna know what saved us? BBs, lots of BBs

we held our good ground and fought our way out of that situation

[zinc phoenix]

Wut it’s so good for damage. It absolutely melts the hp of the big boi mobs

[sullen bobcat]

Yep brain burst is safe as hell since you can pop in and out of cover

[royal granite]

your whole bolter mag will not kill 3+ specials faster than a surge can lock them down and stop them from fucking up the party

[runic hornet]

two vets would have been COMPLETELY unable to progress in that istuation

[sullen bobcat]

I'm doing this to generate perils to vent for toughness

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah you can slowly grind your way forward in that scenario and I’ve done it. Emphasis on slow tho

[runic hornet]

bolter doesn't defuse bursters

or make mutants drop

[bleak sonnet]

push does

:P

[sullen bobcat]

Also brain burst is massive burst on sight if you actually precharge it

[bleak sonnet]

mutants are dead b4 they matter if ur good

[cyan echo]

just had a Malice game where a fellow psyker blew himself up like 5 times, i wonder if he was going for the penance

[zinc phoenix]

So long as your connection doesn’t hiccup and cause you to lose charge 😂

[runic hornet]

patently false, there's plenty of times mutants will come to you on "bad ground"

enjoy your zigzag stairs

[sullen bobcat]

If you know a dog or a burster is about to pop out of cover, you can instantly kill it much faster than a vet if you precharged

[fluid knot]

This, wait till burster leaps, then push an dodge backwards and they go boom safely in the distance

[runic hornet]

you are not killing a mutant "before it matters" on that terrain

[wooden nest]

Recon Lasgun Staff isn't so bad

[bleak sonnet]

speak for urself

[left hare]

ok the good thing about charged m1 is that if u target a specific enemy u build up the dot super fast

[sour coral]

It doesnt defuse but you can stagger them backwards with single taps.

[left hare]

the bad thing about it is it basically has no stagger power

[cerulean cave]

AAA

[fluid knot]

Idk, am stupid Ogryn

[cerulean cave]

wrong reply

[sullen bobcat]

Really fucking dumb too since hounds and bursters are legitimately the best reasons why to precharge

[runic hornet]

You don't need single taps? Literally just a surge RMG period will send the burster literally iceskating backwards, it's hilarious

I need to clip it

[fluid knot]

I have a funny meme for you lot tho

[cerulean cave]

only on Malice and below. At Heresy, you do not oneshot BB them.

[cerulean cave]

correct reply now

[sour coral]

RMG?

[bleak sonnet]

sending them away like that just takes way too much time away from other targets

literally push then

them*

1 and done

[runic hornet]

RMB, aka the charged lightning, aka the standard use

[royal granite]

right mouse gutton

[sullen bobcat]

I'm a surge left click main

[runic hornet]

literally push them
Zigzagging stairs. If you push it it goes into the wall and explodes

and you all take damage anyway

Fuck zigzagging stairs, all my homies hate zigzag stairs

[sour coral]

yeah that works but was talking about bolter. You single tap so you dont blow it up to fast on top of you.

[bleak sonnet]

i forgot bursters come out of the walls

[cerulean cave]

you're a daemon in disguise, is what you are. HERETIC.

[bleak sonnet]

push them down the stairs

lol

[left hare]

the peril cost of purgatus to kill a single gunner is absurd

[runic hornet]

Have you never been slogging through horde on stairs and then hear the noise?

[wintry orbit]

I just melee shove them tbh

[wheat seal]

what's the best build for psyker

[fluid knot]

Leave that to us shouty!

[cerulean cave]

depends

[royal granite]

bursters do be comin out the goddamn walls without even playing their sound cue sometimes

[sullen bobcat]

I haven't played psyker since I got mine to 30 tbh. I'm working on getting everyone to 30 first before playing for difficulty

[runic hornet]

You can get caught just before the turns and not have the nagle to push it

[bleak sonnet]

dude honestly no, theres not that many stairs that take more than 1 second

[runic hornet]

It's not even rare

[zinc phoenix]

Dodge while gaining charge on the mutie, then set it off as he goes past. Then charge force sword and give him a taste of the glowy bonk

[devout axle]

We don't have builds. We have bandaids to fix our problems.

[left hare]

i like 321113

[runic hornet]

I would argue that by the time you dodge it it has "mattered"

[left hare]

then u go antrax axe or force sword with deflector perk + surge staff

[pure rapids]

really depends on what your team needs

[cerulean cave]

honestly having random ass BBs on any attack is nicer than 6 charges

[pure rapids]

or what pugs you usually end up with

[runic hornet]

The phrase "before it matters" implies to me that you just kill it while it's charging at you across a flat open plain, which, well, yes, that mutant is free

[pure rapids]

a safe build to use is a surge staff build

[sullen bobcat]

Can I just mention that I like Lucius way more than bolter on vet? Bolter is just so fucking slow to reload and take out and has worse ammo economy

[cerulean cave]

oneshotting elites with a random BB in melee feels nice

[runic hornet]

if you need to dodge it, that takes attention, attention away from the horde+elites+boss that you're already fighting

[zinc phoenix]

For a given value of matters, but I didn’t make the original point. To me only think that matters is “did it do damage/disable someone” and with my suggestion generally no

[left hare]

u would take random BB over guaranteed 6% extra damage?

[wintry orbit]

If im on vet I typically use plasma and power sword

[night marten]

unless you're running purge+ascendant blaze

[royal granite]

regular-ass kantrael is amazing on a vet, just stay in volley fire forever

[sullen bobcat]

For purge, yeah since it attacks so much.

[runic hornet]

Horde is easy if it's alone
Elites are easy if they're alone
Specials are easy if they're alone
Bosses are easy if they're alone

Stacking 3 or even 4 of these is when you start to need "tricks" like surge staff to keep people alive

[cerulean cave]

are you going to be able to maintain 6 stacks throughout the entire mission?

[sour coral]

Yup. you can just surge and vent peril whole map and everyone will go graet job Psyker!

[cerulean cave]

if yes, go for 6 stacks.

[runic hornet]

absolutely, because the RNG BBs give warp charges and help you keep your stacks

[left hare]

ok that one is a hella good reason

sold

[sullen bobcat]

The bottom 3 are force multipliers with a side of counting as the actual force

[wintry orbit]

I actualy still like the random BB over the 6 charge since you get warp charges so much faster and you can keep chaining

[runic hornet]

as long as you're consistnetly hitting things, even that one "Rng" skill will leave you at max stacks at the end of a fight, all by itself

[bright cipher]

what exactly does the block efficiency stat do?

[runic hornet]

so you end up @ 4 warp charges without ever having bursted, once

[zinc phoenix]

Yes imo, it sometimes triggers on valuable stuff and always give the warp charge for the extra damage

[cerulean cave]

this, plus Psychic Communion is just

:chef's kiss:

[left hare]

ok 321133

[sullen bobcat]

6 stacks is more useful for the perils reduction talent in column 2 tbh

[runic hornet]

and yeah, sometimes you hit a mauler and it instantly dies

[twilit comet]

I posted this earlier but the convo swung back to be more relevant now. https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zf4bid/psyker_builds_aegis_build_for_a_tanky_bamf/

[royal granite]

6% extra damage doesn't help with break points on our slow-ass attacks

[devout axle]

"Guaranteed" is an interesting way to spell "Situational" and "Requires you to waste time maintaining it"

[sullen bobcat]

6% extra damage is actually a joke

[cerulean cave]

my build as well, with antax MK5 and surge

it just slaps too hard

[night marten]

6 stacks is great with AB, and peril resist obviously

[left hare]

is 31 worth it?

[wintry orbit]

Plus the random BB on a purga staff isn't all that random since its almost guaranteed with how many dmg ticks you have

[sullen bobcat]

The peril resist and the extra two stacks is worth it

[left hare]

actually no surge is so costly

[twilit comet]

2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 3 with a Force Sword Deflector and Voidstrike Staff

[cerulean cave]

psykinteic's wrath?

[left hare]

i need the res

[elfin blaze]

6 charges feels pretty easy to maintain when running void

[royal granite]

warp charge would be really fun if it was an uncapped mechanic

[sullen bobcat]

If you're not running both, switch

[eager nexus]

Idk what people's issue is with Brain Burst. Yeah, it'll take a while to solo elites but what are you doing soloing stuff in a team game?

[runic hornet]

it's random in terms of what you hit, to be fair
usually it's a poxwalker that would die anyway, which turns some people off of it

[left hare]

surge staff damage also not gonna increase a lot anyway

[runic hornet]

but you have to realize it gives you a warpcharge without having to do anything, which matters

[sullen bobcat]

It doesn't scale damage, so it gets worse as you get higher difficulties, it generates a fuck load of perils, and it's slow as hell

[wintry orbit]

Valid but I love using it to nuke plague ogs and beasts

[cerulean cave]

test it. The damage from 3-1 is negligable

[runic hornet]

and occasionally, it does BB a target for massive value

[tired tinsel]

The problem is it doesn’t scale well with higher difficulty and other classes can just shoot them quickly instead

[left hare]

yeah prefer the res

[devout axle]

In the time you finish killing a single Elite on higher difficulties with BB, your Vet will have killed everything else.

[runic hornet]

I don't like this argument because it assumes your Veteran is competent, or even alive.

[wintry orbit]

Not to mention it leaves you vulnerable to any mob in your immediate vicinity

[sullen bobcat]

BB is good CC and is safe that's roughly it

[raven venture]

@twilit comet and how many peril builds from blocking?

[twilit comet]

Except BB still retains tremendous utility in many situations, even if it isn't doing the "killing blow" like it does on lower difficulties. It still staggers the shit out of the bulwarks and ogryn

[runic hornet]

BB is a tool in your arsenal. Don't directly compare it to veteran tools

[cerulean cave]

also, Moo. There you got another reason not to go for 6 stacks. Once you test how mediocre 5-15% more dmg is, those POTENTIAL 2 extra stacks feel redundant.

[sullen bobcat]

If your team is incompetent, you can run a meme load out and still seen more useful. What is this argument

[sour coral]

Pretty much. BB is only for bombers and snipers and niche situations you can't reach the target.

[devout axle]

It's a bad tool. It has a place, but not as the core feature of the class. Which its designed to be.

[royal granite]

BB is a blitz specifically, and it struggles with a defined role compared to the other classes' blitz abilities

[runic hornet]

If you hold good ground against ranged enemies, you can mine yourself out of a situation with BBs in a way that other classes can't.

[night marten]

6 stacks is useful for peril resist and ascendant blaze F

[twilit comet]

I'm usually not paying enough attention 🙂 I want to say around 70-80% peril.

[elfin blaze]

Bb is good on snipers and reapers

[night marten]

it's not about 6% extra daamge

[left hare]

i do love peek bb

[runic hornet]

I don't disagree, I just hate the "it's worse than a bolter for optimal dps, so it's trash"

[royal granite]

grenades hoard clear, box single target chunks, stun grenades do aoe cc, brain burst is murky

[eager nexus]

I don't like the argument because it reinforces my previous point of "What are you doing soloing stuff in a team game?" If you have someone shredding elites, focus on CC or swarms. I don't think there's much wrong with Psyker.

[left hare]

In case of disaster chill out

[cerulean cave]

that combo is nice yea.

[sullen bobcat]

The best part about BB is that you don't fight over grenades so you can feed them to the Ogryn and zealot more

[left hare]

psyker is good cos u feed the ammo and nades to others

🧠

[runic hornet]

I swear everyone memory-holes "bad situations and what helped us get out of it" because I notice BB rises sharply in value the worse the situation is

[wet gust]

Should I take this gray one instead of the blue one?

[cerulean cave]

THIS is another huge advantage of a psyker. Not being a fucking ressource eater

[night marten]

this, but unironically

[eager nexus]

Exactly, you may not do as much damage but you won't run out of ammo

[sour coral]

For as much peril BB creates its god awful slow to use. It should be near instant.

[cerulean cave]

you can literally give all ammo and grenades to others

[runic hornet]

Yes, a veteran can bolter a mutant running at you in the open and a psyker can't BB it

[cerulean cave]

while still being useful

[sharp heart]

The only staff a psyker needs is a Lasgun

[sullen bobcat]

Tbh, I like not relying on ammo or grenades as I'm playing the other 3 classes to get them to 30

[runic hornet]

but a psyker can BB a dog flying into the ceiling and literally doing sanic-the-hedgehog loopdaloops

[wintry orbit]

I usually only BB for boss dps since it tends to put you in a vulnerable position if you don't have good situational awareness

[left hare]

i wouldnt say no to a pysker boltor tbh

[runic hornet]

Even if it doesn't kill it, it'll stagger it and get it to stop attacking

Good. Enough.

[sullen bobcat]

Just dodge!

Or if you can't, you're probably against a wall, and it's guaranteed to throw you

[left hare]

good thing is that getting hounds off teammates is very cheap peril wise

u just shoot m1 no matter what staff

[sour coral]

Dont' have to dodge the dead

[tired tinsel]

Don’t need BB for that tho. Surge staff works better if anything

[left hare]

surge staff auto aims too

[devout axle]

It's designed to kill Elites. The entire Psyker class was designed to be the Elite killer class. It gives you passive bonus damage to Elites. A large number of its talents are designed to benefit when -you- kill Elites. Which is all wasted when another class does this 10x faster than you.

[runic hornet]

Yes, or that. Which is anothe rpsyker only thing

[eager nexus]

I want a gun SPECIFICALLY designed for warp enchantment. I don't care if it's just a staff that looks like a gun lop

[fresh gull]

Guys, does soulblaze count as a warp attack? asking about Warp absorption and Psykinetics wrath talens' synergy with purgatus staff, does it work?

[wintry orbit]

Tbh I just wish psyker's skill tree had more staff options

[runic hornet]

The killing power of a suppressed Veteran is 0
BB is slow, but it still does it

[sullen bobcat]

Psyker has way more staffs in tabletop. There are also way more force weapons

[elder rivet]

did I am the only one to have almost exclusivly surge and trauma staff in the shop ? like fr I barely get void one and I never get any eletric one idk if i'm just unlucky or what

[pure rapids]

Psyker rework when

[sullen bobcat]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Force_Weapon

[zinc phoenix]

3211 is basically mandatory for every psyker build 😞. I do 32 for purgatus staff but 33 for everything else. It’s kinda dull that the other traits are so bad as to be worthless

[royal granite]

to be fair, in the tabletop it's not the staff that determines what a psyker can do

[runic hornet]

Force Sword helps with killing elites too

[devout axle]

A competent Vet isn't going to be suppressed. Hell, if you can cover them in melee, a Vet can stand in the middle of a crowd of ranged enemies and wipe them all out without caring about taking damage or Suppression.

[runic hornet]

and the CC ult, I think, is more helpful than a DPS ult half the time, on higher difficulties

[sour coral]

Lol supressed vet hahahaa. Literally stand in the open with the blitz activated and shoot everything gold for days.

[sullen bobcat]

Force Hammer
A common item for those of the Ordo Malleus possessing psychic powers, these weapons allow an Inquisitor or Acolyte to smite Daemons with the purest of energies.

[runic hornet]

the veteran pushes F and busts his ass back into cover once he realizes there are 3 reapers aiming down his sightline at him

[solid lake]

Anyone else noticably having trouble finding groups this morning?

[devout axle]

Exactly this

[runic hornet]

forget suppression, if he tries, he dies

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve seen lots of vets try this on heresy. I pick them up a lot 😂

[sullen bobcat]

Give me force hammer

I need to embrace Sigmar

[runic hornet]

It works when you have camo and other teammates in the open

[sour coral]

they have wrong perks then.

[runic hornet]

If no one else is visible, even with camo, you will eat 3 reapers to the face solo. And those reapers hurt on damnation.

[solid lake]

You don't need those other teammates to be in the open, from experience.

[royal granite]

a vet can use camo and cover at the same time, wild i know

[solid lake]

They just need to be nearby

[runic hornet]

From my experience, they do need to be visible, reapers don't shoot walls and they don't stop shooting down sightlines anyway

[candid hawk]

a vet with camo kinda hurts their team

[sullen bobcat]

You're comparing the best case scenario to the worst case scenario of another class. It's a dumb argument

[sour coral]

Not if they are using it correctly.

[runic hornet]

Nah, camo is a useful tool. When you're fully engaging a rifle squad, camo helps you do your job of "kill every enemy rifleman"

[candid hawk]

Id rather the 75% reduced toughness damage from ranged perks and let the vet eat the shots instead of making your other players eat the toughness damage

[runic hornet]

Because if they start shooting at you, you're suppressed/hitpunched and can't do that job

It is true you can hose your team on purpose with it, though, which is funny

[candid hawk]

theres a reason vet has 200 toughness and a perk specifically geared towards tanking ranged shots

[sullen bobcat]

$1,000,000 is worse than $100 because i spent the million on paper clips, and the $100 on insulin. Like, it's not a fair comparison since the scenarios are entirely different

[potent echo]

camo works for doing the minigame data interrogation too (i think)

[candid hawk]

why cause 75% more damage to your team when you could be taking it instead with no issues

[sullen bobcat]

Vet shouldn't have 200 toughness and 150 health tbh

[candid hawk]

the toughness makes sense for the exact reason i said above

[runic hornet]

Because even taking damage causes hitpunch which means missed shots

[sour coral]

Sounds good but you as a vet in that instances need to clear out the gold elites and rifleman and can do it very fast.

[potent echo]

its just great and most vets that i met that use it love it

[runic hornet]

this isn't an MMO

[candid hawk]

let me ask, how many of you do damnation regularly on a vet

[runic hornet]

your teammates can draw fire without dying, even

[sullen bobcat]

Until you get the 75% ranged damage reduction, and it makes it ridiculous. Just make it innate

[runic hornet]

Just sliding and dodging around

[elder rivet]

👇 so guys stop arguing and drop your BB build right one 👇 i'm waiting

[potent echo]

i play with vets on damnation alot of them run camo

[runic hornet]

BB isn't a "build" but I'll link my purgatus build

[sullen bobcat]

No one builds solely around BB as their main tool. It's a massive waste of time to only use BB

Especially the part where venting is faster on staffs

[pure rapids]

you wanting to tank damage on damnation even with 75% reduction you're asking to be slapped in the face

your job is to deal with ranged as a Vet

you ain't doing that if you're taking damage and getting stunned or suppressed

[prisma minnow]

thought I was in the vet chat for a moment lol

[candid hawk]

your right its not an mmo but that doesnt stop the ranged form targeting your other players who will take full damage when you can take 75% less lol

[potent echo]

deal with (literally everything except hordes)

[sour coral]

It became a debate who does it better Vet or psyker.

[sullen bobcat]

Because Vet is overtuned as fuck and is currently used as the measure for how good something is

[runic hornet]

Other players can and should be dodging/sliding
I'll concede that "ranged firemagnet veteran" is something you CAN DO, hell I think if you have two vets one should run camo and the other should be "fire magnet", but I don't think it's optimal

[elder rivet]

vet are the best class in the game, psycker sucks, anyway drop your build 👇

[sullen bobcat]

No one compares things between psyker, Ogryn, or zealot

[runic hornet]

I compare things to ogyrn all the time

[sullen bobcat]

When was the last time someone even mention zealot or Ogryn?

[runic hornet]

Every time I get a pile of ragers on me I go "dear Emperor, why was i not given ogyrn hands"

[potent echo]

111112 ezgames trust me bro ☝️

[candid hawk]

they arwe very different roles from both vet and psyker who share some role similaraties

[wheat seal]

Is it difficult for you to maintain the whole game by having 4 warps all the time ?

[elder rivet]

bro just want to explode 🥲

[runic hornet]

They fulfill very different roles
Which is exactly why I love, for heresy quickplay (build doesn't work on damnation HP values), mg12 lasgun psyker

[sullen bobcat]

Don't bother with 4 charges. It's a massive time sink with not enough reward to compensate

[night marten]

true and based. 321112, purge staff + FS deflect enjoyer

[runic hornet]

it's a truly heretical build but I love it

[pure rapids]

yes purg staff for me

[potent echo]

6 charges required to kill riflemen in 4/5 its mandatory

[pure rapids]

my pugs can't handle hordes for shit

[runic hornet]

because with a 20/20 unarmored/flak mg12, you oneshot/two shot dregs/scabs with an mg12 regardless of buffs

So... you don't need to pick up veteran buffs to kill riflemen better

[sullen bobcat]

I prefer playing independently and not relying on ammo/grenades from the RNG environment and fighting over it from teammates

[potent echo]

not using ammo means bolter vet goes ham

[runic hornet]

purgatus/deflector build

[sullen bobcat]

Yep. That's a build

[runic hornet]

some argument to be made for middle talent @ level 10 over top

[floral palm]

this any good for a base wep?

[potent echo]

25-1 is mandatory imo, unless its a malice build

[elder rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[ebon jolt]

Why do people prefer extra force weapon damage vs peril resist for purge staff?

[sullen bobcat]

Damage is really low

[runic hornet]

no, gaining warp charges randomly helps with 5-1 toughness, a LOT

[ebon jolt]

Doesn’t most of the damage come from burn?

[candid hawk]

low damage

[floral palm]

does that flat kill the weapon?

[runic hornet]

25-1 for 6 charges is... whatever.

[candid hawk]

for that weapon yes imo

[potent echo]

being able to delete an entire rifleman patrol with a F is invaluable

[floral palm]

damn

[potent echo]

through cover/walls

[runic hornet]

I would argue that most of the time you don't have 6 charges when the riflemen are still bunched up like that

[floral palm]

ive been stuck with this for like 6 hours of game time and my brain is rotting ****

[loud violet]

Yet another sword

[runic hornet]

it's too much of a "stars align" situation

[wheat seal]

I try this build

[elder rivet]

nay, not enought damage, search for higher damage always, and modifiers should be rating atleast 360 if you wanna something good

[runic hornet]

Fun, but not a tool you can count on

[potent echo]

you just get charges in ambient, encounter riflemen patrol, press F

no more sitting around more 5min waiting for your vets to clear

[loud violet]

guh

[runic hornet]

I say that staff is dead but not because of stats
It's dead because it doesn't have Transfer Peril

[wise hemlock]

wtf does the dumb emperor keep giving me fking axes

[wheat seal]

sometimes with the psyker I don't understand how I get warp refills ^^

[runic hornet]

Transfer Peril is why Voidstrike works

[pure rapids]

axe is pretty great

[wise hemlock]

doesnt gel with my class

[prisma minnow]

at least it's not a gun?

[runic hornet]

Transfer Peril means if you throw voidstrikes at head level, you literally end up at lower perils than what you started with

it completely cuts out quelling as part of the routine and you just go ham

[pure rapids]

axe and dueling sword have the fastest passive quelling for Psykers

[wise hemlock]

Psycker should get a phychic whip

[pure rapids]

great for toughness on quell feat

[sullen bobcat]

Sometimes I want to maintain high perils for things where higher perils levels give buffs tbh

[runic hornet]

I'm...fairly certain that feat does not proc on passive quelling

[pure rapids]

it does

[mellow glen]

how are these Blessings for the Surge staff? not sure what's optimal

[sullen bobcat]

It procs on any perils loss

[pure rapids]

it procs off ANY source of quelling

[prisma minnow]

Did I previously see mentioned that we can tank a demonhost with our Kinetic deflection feat?

[runic hornet]

You serious, because I've been sucking my thumb in cover and i don't get toughness back from passive quelling, I would have notcied that, I think

[vernal imp]

anything is fine since nothing really affects the main thing, the lightning

just focus on whatever makes your left click better when it comes to surge perks & blessings

[twilit comet]

Yes - with the 20-1 talent. Helps to have curious with +stamina and stamina regen too.

[runic hornet]

I get knocked to 0, I duck back into cover, passive quelling starts as I start meleeing an elite and I still don't have any toughness at all

[sullen bobcat]

Perils resistance, quell speed, and charge time

[prisma minnow]

That's both fantastic and 100% getting nerfed lol

[candid hawk]

This is what i run

[mellow glen]

Oh interesting -- i didn't know that. thanks!

[vernal imp]

blessings and perks, not main stats, read

[runic hornet]

what, deflector? I don't see how, lol

[candid hawk]

i have pretty great success in any difficulty atm

[runic hornet]

It's not "permanently block", you get a couple seconds of blocking against a rifle squad and that's it before you hit 90 perils

why in the world would it get nerfed

[twilit comet]

With Deflector you can literally stand in the open on heresy with 20+ mobs shooting at you and barely loose any stamina. you're an Ogryn with a shield basically

[sullen bobcat]

Plus it's cool as fuck

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/L2fEIomWwTMZk/d1337889HDKx?invite=cr-MSxjdXIsNDg2MDU3NTUs absolutely not

[vernal imp]

a few seconds is all you need, since we have insane pushes and push attacks that do work with basically infinite stamina, if you do nothing but hold block then it's a "whatever" feat

[runic hornet]

your perils will spike to 90 fast enough and then your stamina breaks almost instantly

[ebon jolt]

Is block efficiency not more impactful? How does extra Stam help?

[sullen bobcat]

Blocking to change positioning in open ground is really useful

[floral palm]

Does the damage stat kill this weapon too?

[sullen bobcat]

Yes.

[runic hornet]

Honestly, I don't think so
Chainsword... its breakpoints aren't meaningfully affected by damage, at least not on trash

[candid hawk]

the base stat kills that weapon too, 328

[floral palm]

TIL my entire build is ass cuz of the rolls

[twilit comet]

That helps too. It all helps build up deflector strength and longevity.

[runic hornet]

The weapon is dead because of low finesse and bad perks/meh blessing

[sullen bobcat]

Welcome to darktide

[runic hornet]

But like I would totally use a good perk+blessing weapon with low damage rolls

[floral palm]

i stg the best weapon I have then is this blue axe

[mellow glen]

Is this worth upgrading to Orange?

[candid hawk]

You want the base stat number in the modifier section to be as close to 380 as you can

[runic hornet]

dead because low penetration roll, bad blessing :^)

[novel badge]

380

[floral palm]

brtuh

[ebon jolt]

I’m also assuming peril resist from the level 10 talent helps as well?

[candid hawk]

sorry yeah typo

[runic hornet]

We say "dead" as in "not worth continuing to upgrade, and look for an upgrade", but realistically the weapons are functional

[floral palm]

and this?!

[elder rivet]

could be higher in damage but very good still

[runic hornet]

the only weapons that N E E D good blessings/perks to function are like...

Heavy sword? Sword? Knife

[runic hornet]

That weapon is perfectly fine lol

Even good, that is a good sword

[floral palm]

it feels so weak tho

sad

[twilit comet]

No - I use the +15% force weapon damage at high peril. I build up peril blocking as I close range and then get switch to attach mode and get more damage.

[runic hornet]

It's a sword, but it's the best a sword is gonna get, honestly

[elder rivet]

very decent until you get god roll or if you wanna change weapon

[sullen bobcat]

Knife for zealot since you severely need bleed. The Ogryn shield also really benefits from toughness on hit

And force sword deflection

[elder rivet]

worth upgrading until you get a god roll

[runic hornet]

Yeah, ogyrn weapons need toughness blessings, but they have two in the pool so it's easy to get one of the two

deflector... yeah, force sword is merely okay without it, the biggest reason to run FS is deflector

[ebon jolt]

Unlimited dodge is also quite nice.

[floral palm]

I really liked this staff until I got told its microcloud made it shit

[night marten]

yea. cloud radius pretty important

[runic hornet]

Cloud radius directly translates to the length of the cone, so yeah, big oof

[night marten]

affects width and length

[runic hornet]

If only I could get a better roll on my staff's width and length...

[left hare]

apparently this whole time i was running a 36% damage purgatus staff

Time to retest damage

[elder rivet]

I have this but the blessing and perk isn't so great :/

[ebon jolt]

Psyker chat. A bunch of people sitting around comparing who has the bigger staff.

[elder rivet]

i'll wait until we can reroll them in the craft

[runic hornet]

it has + infested and suppression blessing, it's perfectly usable

[elder rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19494561

[runic hornet]

solid 9/10

[olive ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049984891082776636/image.png

[ebon jolt]

Burn matters more than damage. As more damage comes from soulblaze than the staff fire itself.

[olive ember]

But what about who has the bigger sword?

[elder rivet]

yeah but only suppression lvl 1 and the perk +25% against heavy armored ennemy is useless, but the modifiers are solid, that the one I'll currently use

[ebon jolt]

I’m not crossing mine with yours 😂

[sullen bobcat]

Don't forget the part where we call psyker trash and vet better

[runic hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPkWZdluoUg

[ebon jolt]

And the part where we say Zealot horde clear is better.

[olive ember]

What about “BB buff when” (but seriously tho BB buff when)

[brave turret]

what if pysker had the ability to replace brain burst with ball burst

[sullen bobcat]

What if it's a woman

Or neither

[olive ember]

Would unironically be better against maulers

[runic hornet]

what gender is a beast of nurgle, anyway

[sullen bobcat]

Nurglely

[fiery bloom]

are profane weapons with decent stats worth upgrading to transcendent? like this one

[pure rapids]

dog

[runic hornet]

if you cross your fingers and pray

[ebon jolt]

No deflector unfortunately 😑

[pure rapids]

the best determinant is to get as close to 80% on all stats before you start upgrading

[runic hornet]

I would add that not all weapons need all stats

You can dump damage on a purgatus and it barely changes a thing

[pure rapids]

like that weapon is okay but chances are you might get a better one later

[robust elbow]

is deflector the one that basically turns it into a lightsaber where u can deflect bullets lol

[brave turret]

*block

[olive ember]

Those traits tho

[runic hornet]

Similarly, a lot of melee weapons don't get any real benefit from mobility (the range of min/max is TINY) and you can dump mobility there

[sullen bobcat]

Pretty much. Except they don't bounce back

[pure rapids]

yea but with the way resource farming is now I doubt they're rolling in plasteels and diamentiam to keep upgrading stuff

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/L2fEIomWwTMZk/d133700I6NOx?invite=cr-MSxSQUwsNDg2MDU3NTUs yes

[elder rivet]

decent

[robust elbow]

would be nice if they did tho

[elder rivet]

it's insane

[runic hornet]

i would prioritize warp resistance over damage on a staff, honestly

[sullen bobcat]

Depends on the staff and breakpoints

[robust elbow]

I mean.. alot of the guns are laser guns... so would make sense if the occasional one deflected back :p lol

[runic hornet]

Even a voidstrike, I think

I wouldn't upgrade a bad damage roll, but I'd still buy it out of hte shop to use it

[sullen bobcat]

And more warp generation isn't inherently bad since you get more toughness

Or more damage if you use the perils force damage thingy

[fiery bloom]

i dont care much for the purgatus staff, i just like to have all variety of weapons incase theres a need for it

i prefer the void staff and then the surge second

[pure rapids]

then you should prioritize those staves first

[robust elbow]

yeah the voidstike staff is wicked

[runic hornet]

the bowling ball launcher

You roll the bowling ball down the alley and the pins go flying

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-strike-gif-11504736

[fiery bloom]

is warp resistance what determines if you peril or not?

[night marten]

affects buildup

[elder rivet]

yes

[ebon jolt]

Fair enough 😓

[elder rivet]

how much it cost

[runic hornet]

higher warp resistance effectively reduces the cost of actions

[fiery bloom]

ahh

[pure rapids]

more warp resist = less peril = more shooty

or lightning or fire

or bowling ball

[olive ember]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/b65b9f02-e4bd-4af4-9a96-5a331853536f/surge-staff-tankcc-build

Anything I should change/add?

[mellow glen]

worth upgrading for the 80 cloud / 80 burn?

[olive ember]

Idk I got bored earlier and wrote paragraph

[dusky lantern]

hell yea that's a good roll

[robust elbow]

honestly I don't mind the trauma staff, just wish it was easier to place the aoe and it seems to build up peril faster than anything lol

[elder rivet]

unlucky, a bit low in damage but solid one if you got god perk and blessing

[sullen bobcat]

More perils is more damage and more toughness with the right feats

[runic hornet]

yes

[drifting cairn]

bit late but its a daemon so neither

[pure rapids]

it's gender is slaanesh

[robust elbow]

lol

[drifting cairn]

they are just decay and rot given form by nurgle

[buoyant orbit]

Why not use Essence harvest or warp absorption for your toughness?

Warp absorption procs of the staff and essence harvest will proc from you getting charges off your other traits

[sullen bobcat]

Because it generates much faster the better staffs you get

And you can generate without needing any enemies

[floral palm]

Looked in my store, "oh people are looking at Greys to see whats worth upgraading"

bruh

[olive ember]

Quietude is most consistent, the surge staff isn’t particularly used to kill anything and again procs are rng

Also quietude works with passive quell which pairs nice with a deflector force sword

[sullen bobcat]

Also, if you ult, you get a sudden massive boost in toughness

It's legitimately the best one

[floral palm]

can you get lower than 5% on a weapon

[sullen bobcat]

Especially as you get faster quelling staffs

[echo parrot]

Is the claw sword actually good in any situation. I have not see a single person roll with one that wasnt leveling.

[robust elbow]

yeah quietude is my fav 🙂

[olive ember]

It’s aight for horde cleave

[sullen bobcat]

It clears fine, but psyker has ranged options to do that

[olive ember]

Dunno how good it is on psyker tho

[echo parrot]

Fair enough

[long wharf]

I use Quietude now that I've switched to an axe for a melee weapon

[gritty stratus]

monster headpop penance on malice or heresey?

[sullen bobcat]

Needs to be on heresy or above iirc

Have fun

[gritty stratus]

cheeres

[olive ember]

Heresy unless it’s bugged out like pick n mix

[buoyant orbit]

Huh i found essence harvest to be fairly solid, I'm always getting charges in hordes from my team and if i happen to brain blast something thats a quick way to grab toughness if needed

Might have to try it out for myself and see

[long wharf]

if you mean the boss one, heresy

[olive ember]

Essence harvest is a lot more noticeable when it procs I will say that

[long wharf]

if you mean the elite/specialist BB kill one, malice

[wheat seal]

fire staff look's like the best weapon, when your mates are die, have a fire is the best weapon ^^

[buoyant orbit]

Assuming you stay with your team which can be hard on pubs 4% per enemy is alot

[long wharf]

cringe.

[buoyant orbit]

I've never had a horde i didnt hit 6 charges

[olive ember]

But quietude let’s you gain toughness while literally doing nothing as long as you have high peril

[wheat seal]

why

[olive ember]

Which you will have alot with surge staff and peril blocking

[buoyant orbit]

and with it being a regen your toughness is basically always on regen which is nice

[velvet trail]

I run in to problems with quietude somtimes if shit really hits the fan and you are stuck in melee range crowds for a long period

[robust elbow]

majority of the team staying in coherency in pubs i've learned is basically like herding cats

[velvet trail]

no time to really build more peril

[buoyant orbit]

Thats my view on it, i liken toughness perks to being if im in a oh shit moment does it save me

If you arent in immediate danger you can get it back anyway

Stay close to team or punch afew dudes

[long wharf]

none of the psyker toughness perks will "save you" from dying

[olive ember]

Run peril block, lets you block 10x more and it also gives you peril for quietude

[long wharf]

if you're about to die, gaining 10% immediately or 30% over 5s isn't going to save you, most of the time

[velvet trail]

I do run peril block

[inland nexus]

yeah, run peril block, then you can ult to drop your peril for quietude toughness gain

[empty remnant]

any vids you guys recommend watching to learn the ins and out of the psykinetic

[long wharf]

just play it

[hot garnet]

Whats the new threshold on the surge staff now that they fixed the 80%?

[olive ember]

The consistency of quietude also helps against shooters tbh, cuz you gain 5% toughness and that will stop a single shot cuz no bleed through iirc

[long wharf]

it's not that complicated

[wheat seal]

which weapon you recommend ?

[olive ember]

97%

[hot garnet]

Noice

[buoyant orbit]

I mean its always worth looking at new ideas and trying them out

[olive ember]

Start charge before 97% release before it hits 100%

[buoyant orbit]

Just going thats the best one end of discussion isnt really helping anyone get better

[hot garnet]

Thats not bad at all 🙂

[olive ember]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/b65b9f02-e4bd-4af4-9a96-5a331853536f/surge-staff-tankcc-build

[fiery bloom]

whats peril block? Inner Tranquility?

[olive ember]

Just gonna repost and ask if there’s any other thing that should be changed etc.

[pure rapids]

Kinetic Deflection

[olive ember]

Maybe I’ll go on Reddit and ask the redditors kek

I did actually get Reddit gold ranting about how bad launch day psyker was lmao

[inland nexus]

Kinetic Deflection, level 20

[buoyant orbit]

Any particular reason its 2 stacks of health over 1 toughness and 1 health, I know on characters with more of either like og and ranger you buff that but psyker is fairly balance iirc

[olive ember]

Honestly it’s personal preference but I find I do fine with base toughness but chip damage and snipers are annoying as shit

[buoyant orbit]

Snipers do suck yeah but i guess it makes the toughness regen better since its % based

[pure rapids]

honestly wouldn't you want lower toughness anyway?

[olive ember]

Also I don’t actually run those curios I wish I had that god luck lmao

[prisma minnow]

oh man, not exploding above 80% peril with surge is nice

[buoyant orbit]

Does the force sword special count as a warp attack btw?

[pure rapids]

since if you can get to max toughness faster

it's 100% block against melee?

[buoyant orbit]

Well toughness regen from what i remember is all % based so it doesnt matter

certainly the talents are

[olive ember]

Yes iirc but you don’t use it often enough imo to take the trait cuz of force sword special

[prisma minnow]

maybe I wont need to save my ability as an oh shit button now

[empty remnant]

you wouldnt to have any gameplay of you playing would you?

[compact mist]

Hello. Beginner psyker here. What is psyker role in a team and which build is best for this role

[buoyant orbit]

i've only used it as an emergency brain blast for some og in my face

But its nice to have

[pure rapids]

depends on your team

[olive ember]

Sadly no, I was hoping I could steal a YouTube video from here of someone doing peril blocking as a demonstration

Any takers? XD

[pure rapids]

but the general consensus is Surge CC with occasional special/elite sniping

[buoyant orbit]

Thanks looks like a solid build i'll have to give it a try

[compact mist]

Surge to stun,ok

[left hare]

if u have friends u can change ur build

[olive ember]

Purge and voidstrike for hordeclear , surge for elite cc

[left hare]

if u pub always take surge staff

[lethal plover]

Does the push attack of force sword push off a dog on someone?

[olive ember]

But yeah psyker is the support character

[buoyant orbit]

About to hit 30 on my psyker and tried most of the weapons out so its not about whats solid builds for damnation

[echo parrot]

I wish I had friends

[pure rapids]

also bring a good horde clear/management weapon if you go Surge

[left hare]

nope

[pure rapids]

force sword ain't that great for hordes

[lethal plover]

Darn

[buoyant orbit]

I would never put down my surge staff though thats the goat

[olive ember]

Honestly not sure I find it easier to just surge staff

[left hare]

the only person that can push dogs off allies

[eager nexus]

Builds honestly don't matter unless you're doing level 5s. At level 4 it's more a matter of having appropriate level gear as opposed to the gear itself.

[olive ember]

Or just melee

[left hare]

is the ogre

[empty remnant]

thanks derp for the build gonna try it out. Also wanna try out this flamethrower build i saw too but cant find the staff

[buoyant orbit]

I used it to do the untouchable challenge, stopped many dogs and ogryns rushing to end my no hp damage run

[olive ember]

It’s like 2-3 light melees to the head iirc with force sword and from range you can just surge staff cc a dog off the teammate

[buoyant orbit]

Also that challenge is stupid

[lethal plover]

Not just push, the push attack

Still nope?

[pine iris]

I love the combat axe. I can stay really safe with it and mine is in the high 400s with good damage, it even one shots some specials. A lot of psykers have been being handed axes by the emporer, I believe that's FS pulling strings on the meta

[olive ember]

The antax combat axe is amazing on psyker especially if you spam push attack

[idle bay]

Is there any resemblemce or roadmap about when we will be able to play with just bots? I'm too eager to do Going out with bang Penance and at the same time i don't want to make other players waste time while i'm doing it...

[olive ember]

Best outright horde clear melee weapon psyker has

[left hare]

nope

[prisma minnow]

i like surge with axe. I cc the elites and if my team doesn't take him out i just surge animation cancel to the axe and do it myself

[lethal plover]

Push attack of axe does remove the dog

[left hare]

wait what?

[lethal plover]

I've saved people many times

[olive ember]

Push attack of axe staggers ragers mid combo

[pure rapids]

nope

[left hare]

HUH?

Why is the axe so different

[pure rapids]

even with a semblance of a roadmap

[idle bay]

Push attack can interrupt the dog mid-jump!

[pure rapids]

I wouldn't bet it on Fatshark to stick to that

[olive ember]

Push attack of combat axe is just rly good, and with Psyker peril blocking it becomes a meme

[idle bay]

Axe is Life , Axe is Life!

[olive ember]

Since you can use all stamina to just spam push attack ad nauseum

[idle bay]

Now give us the POWER Axe fatshark!

[prisma minnow]

FS Probably: "Loud and clear, we're nerfing the axe"

[pine iris]

No inside knowledge but I bet it's coming and will be a psyker weapon

[whole ferry]

Does psyckinetics wrath apply to staff primary/secondary?

[idle bay]

They are nerfing everything eventually. It's inevitable 🙂

[olive ember]

Wat you mean? It’s just quells peril and pushes

[prisma minnow]

sort of why its annoying to see so much clamoring to nerf the bolter, don't encourage them just make other things more viable

[olive ember]

If you mean the lvl 30 trait no unless you are specifically talking about ascendant blaze and purge staff combo

[proud mantle]

what makes force sword so meta, peril buildup and warp kill for temp hp?

[buoyant orbit]

I assume force sword for the deflector trait over the horde control and dancing with the tac axe or dueling sword cause the surge staff kinda covers it?

[olive ember]

Deflector

[pine iris]

it's a PvE game without scoring. Community should not be calling for weapon nerfs

[idle bay]

Too much work to bring other things to better level than just to nerf one outliner.

[proud mantle]

oh is that force sword only, i didnt know

[olive ember]

Basically yeah force sword brings the utility

And yes deflector is FS only

[buoyant orbit]

Plus the brain blast on demand is nice

[candid hawk]

you see, theres a thing called the power sword though

[bleak tulip]

[whole ferry]

It's the feat that says +5-15% damage to force weapons depending on peril level

[olive ember]

It lets you also tank ranged fire while reviving

[buoyant orbit]

Its not perfect but the option is therer

right and the feat only works for melle iirc

[proud mantle]

if only it gave warp charge on its brain blast

[pine iris]

The power sword looks dramatic and cool, it's not that great and its defense stinks

[prisma minnow]

I don't disagree from a dev perspective, I just don't think the community needs to be crying for it too loudly. lol

[buoyant orbit]

Glad they buffed the power sword, that special attack was hot trash in beta

[idle bay]

Like FatSHark give a single krak about community outcries 🙂

[buoyant orbit]

especially with the overtuned BB

[olive ember]

🤔 the F ability is also calls psykinetics wrath nice… yeah it applies to staves and force swords and only that

Not worth especially on something like the surge

[prisma minnow]

I'm new to FS (didnt play VT) but I'm learning quickly.

[velvet trail]

not really worth on purge either, in testing it i dont think i really noticed any damage difference

[olive ember]

The damage only helps with trauma staff and that’s a fucking meme

[candid hawk]

I think its a bit overtuned. I dont have an issue defensively with it, enough so i can power it up for every swing.

[remote tusk]

Tips for the Pick'n mix penance?

[prisma minnow]

power up, swing, dodge back, repeat

[olive ember]

It’s literally 1-2 damage difference, since the base damage of fire staff is like 16

Doesn’t affect the dot damage on purge at all

[candid hawk]

yep exactly

[pine iris]

BB buff - 1/5th shorter charge, stun starts immediately, damage scales (it still shouldn't one shot elites)

[idle bay]

High intensity Damnation Chasm Terminus right at the start. You can lure all the elites to the edge and and then start popping the weakest ones

[proud mantle]

ive only ever gotten 1 force sword, is the moveset this always this awkward

[olive ember]

Get a shield ogryn, run heresy endless hordes, pray for gunners packs with like 5 of em and line em up and pop em all

[pure rapids]

or keep the charge rate and let it one shot elites and specials

[olive ember]

Yes, the combo is light - heavy - push/push attack

[prisma minnow]

probably get a group together and have a vet weaken them and then finish them off?

[candid hawk]

your in the heretic channel

[idle bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUWrlTsr8lI Here is video of completing Pick'n Mix

[olive ember]

It’s a heavy sword, arguably the worst melee weapon in the game

[charred gyro]

oops

[pine iris]

You don't think one shotting elites is too powerful? I think it might be IMO

[pure rapids]

I don't think so when the game throws 5-6 at you at a time

and your BB takes forever to charge

[prisma minnow]

I would just like to see this channel full of heretics is easily the most helpful. I've asked a few questions in other channels that have basically gotten completely ignored.

[pine iris]

How about you get your peril back if your teammates kill an enemy you're BBing

[lethal plover]

the lack of safety in that cycle, is getting hit from behind, or getting hit when you power up. doesn't happen when things are relaxing, but there are holes in the cycle. preferably incorporate block and push to make it safer, and dodge around whenever you hear attack from behind. but basically it's why vets with power sword still go down.

[proud mantle]

is there a chart or resource somewhere with all the blessings and their tiers? some of them seem like they cap at 2 while others maybe more

[bleak tulip]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

[pure rapids]

then they'd probably have to get rid of the warp charge gain above half charge

[prisma minnow]

ya, picking up on the audio cue on attacks from behind separates a good player from bad. All audio cues for that matter.

[solid lake]

IDK that thing never seems to work consistently

[proud mantle]

thanks, basically wondering if i should upgrade my FS then since the blessing is good but idk how the other stats are weighted

[solid lake]

Stats are capped at 80% right now just in case you hadn't caught that

[proud mantle]

wait

then i fuckin lucked out lmao

[pine iris]

the contract currency is so slow :/ It will be 2 more weeks before I will be able to use that shop

[finite lynx]

First target being so low is unfortunate

[bleak tulip]

now do it again

[night marten]

oof on that first target though

[buoyant orbit]

with a full cap of 380 not 400 right?

[bleak tulip]

yes

[solid lake]

I believe so from what I've seen

[bleak tulip]

380 doesnt mean you get all 80% tho

[finite lynx]

No, I have a 381 base. It's just so rare to see above 380

[bleak tulip]

ive seen 380 with stuff missing

[lethal plover]

Screenshot?

[solid lake]

Yeah I think it goes over 380 it just does so exceedingly rarely

[buoyant orbit]

well yeah 380/5 isnt 80

[bleak tulip]

nice

[finite lynx]

No

I'm not home anyways

[bleak tulip]

yeah it was just assumed 380 would be cap but I guess not

[proud mantle]

is it so low that it's not worth upgrading then?

[wheat seal]

what you guys thought on this build ? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/2ad7e0a5-1427-4675-956e-c70ffc744541/psyker-pykinetic-build-aggressor-darktide-wh40k

[lethal plover]

Never seen above 380

[finite lynx]

Honestly up to you. First target just means the amount of damage done to the first target hit in a swing, so you'll do less by so much being eaten by one poxer

[bleak tulip]

the fuck are these blessings

[finite lynx]

It's dummy, dummy rare

[bleak tulip]

like deflector, aight exorcist? do you hate damage?
staff blessings are just dog

warp battery + quicken

[wheat seal]

look's nice lol

[bleak tulip]

yeah but you want a damage blessing instead

so you can actually kill shit on damnation

[wheat seal]

like on vermintide, it's hard to find the best build ^^

[bleak tulip]

and dont need like 3 hits minimum

[proud mantle]

i upgraded a combat axe but the 2nd blessing i got was dubious at best

so yeah until crafting is complete

[bleak tulip]

Warp Battery can be swapped out for Kinetic Overload but i believe Warp Battery compliments it the most ( +18% damage from warp charges +5-20% against enemies from your weapons minimum).
🤡

kinetic overload it actually just dogshit

[eager nexus]

Same

[night marten]

I mean it's really bad, even at lower difficulties

[bleak tulip]

its just, he doesnt even talk about kinetic flayer

dude straight up hasnt tried it

[proud mantle]

in the future do you think they'd let stats go above 80 though cause like this goes beyond my 80% dmg in the grey, or is that just the range of my specific sword

[olive ember]

I think this build was rly early on and its just got the most views and therefore been consistently top

its a garbo gbuild

[bleak tulip]

where do I downvote this shit

[pure rapids]

that build's only source of warp charge generation is the passive 4% chance on kill and manual BB

[olive ember]

he runs Psykinetic's Wrath with voidstrike like why

[pure rapids]

that's so bad lmao

[olive ember]

and then he runs quicken

like bruh

the staff traits are trash, warp sword traits are actually p good but thats about it

[bleak tulip]

my man just hates venting I guess

[buoyant orbit]

to be fair you say only isnt that like 2/3 ways to do it

[olive ember]

and then he has +stamina when hes using peril blocking like

what the fuck?

[buoyant orbit]

theres only 1 more feat iirc

[night marten]

AB, also flayer

[bleak tulip]

I didnt even notice that

[pure rapids]

well yea but to maintain the 6 warp charges and use it well to reduce the CD of the ult?

[pure rapids]

I doubt it's great

[olive ember]

this entire curio is a waste of time

You would be better off putting in a +10% health green curio

the only useful stat there is maybe stamina regeneration but hes running forcesword not the antax

[bleak tulip]

like, if I roll corruption resist I aint mad but I dont seek it out

thats it, rest of that thing sucks

[desert grove]

Bruh, +3 stamina is huge

[olive ember]

its trash with peril block

and this build is running peril block

the only way this would be excusable is if hes running the antax which uses push attack spam, but hes running the force sword

so why the fuck is he using a stam curio

[pine iris]

DarkTide graphics and gameplay makes other games look corny and video-gamey. FS is awesome

[olive ember]

with sprint efficiency

also btw just fyi this "aggressor" build was pooped out like maybe a few days after release, so whoever made this legit just threw random shit together, slapped on a cool name, and got clicks

[wise hemlock]

as a psyker what curios are am I looking for

[olive ember]

and now this shit build is at the type for psyker

[covert echo]

is the max warp charge penance still broken?

[olive ember]

depends but most people I've seen run either +maxhp, +toughness, and maybe 1 +wound

[compact mist]

Can someone explain what Inner Tranquility perk do?

[olive ember]

you gain warp resistance per charge, so you don't build up as much peril

its just trash

[compact mist]

per which charge, the one from BB?

[gilded viper]

Building peril with actions is reduced by a percentage

[olive ember]

eenemies magnatize to your ass

[pine iris]

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[olive ember]

also adding stam doesn't affect sprint at all

it just lets you block more shit

[pure rapids]

Psyker only have 1 charge and it's Warp Charge

[gilded viper]

Yah you need sprint efficiency for sprinting better

[sick veldt]

Ok

[tranquil fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[olive ember]

12% sprint efficiency wont matter shit in the long run, and even if it did you aren't sprinting away from enemies when you are getting swarmed

and then stamina and stamina regen are only useful if you aren't running peril blocking

[sick veldt]

What feat are y'all using in your first (level 5) slot? I keep second guessing

[olive ember]

but A) why wouldn't you run kinetic deflector and B) the build itself runs peril block + deflector

[olive ember]

Purge use 1, Voidstrike use 2, Surge use 3

[supple skiff]

warp absorption

[compact mist]

Oh ok i see, thank you

[supple skiff]

I use void so checks out lol

[olive ember]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914150363844779/1050012825059344404

these are what I would run for each staff

and should generally work

but honestly I mostly use surge

[night marten]

I just noticed, why doesn't trauma staff have a secondary charge bar like the others?

the ground visual effect is not sufficient

[devout axle]

I kinda agree with this.

[olive ember]

btw trauma staff also has the thing

where you can blow up at like 85%

and it skips the animation

so you just instant blow up

[devout axle]

I've never had this happen, and I frequently cast my Trauma at 90+%

[leaden needle]

any tips for pick n mix?

[olive ember]

get a shield ogryn, go into heresy, pray you get gunner pack, see a pack of 5 gunners, fail to kill them in 12 seconds, cry, repeat

[tranquil fiber]

had this on Surge at 80% before patch was stupid.

[night marten]

hm in the meantgrinder now, don't think that's the case

[olive ember]

huh maybe I'm being dumb

or did I start the cast at 85 idr tbh

[pallid dock]

might be a desync issue, likely more to occur during missions than in the grinder

[olive ember]

I was screwing around at like 5 AM lmao so maybe my memory is fuzzy

nah I was testing in meatgrinder as well

[devout axle]

This happened all the time with Surge. Surge was treating the extra peril generated during the lighting animation as "casting", so it'd trigger the explosion animation if it went above 100% during the animation.

[night marten]

yea casted full charge at 95 and I'm ok, might have been charging it at 85 that caused it. *this would make sense, charging at 85 gets you to 100 before max power, so you would go boom

[olive ember]

probably started charge at 85

[tranquil fiber]

the way Psyker works is as long as you don't charge at 97% and cast a warp move you won't explode. It will lock out at 100%

[night marten]

I'm aware but there's been some buggy interactions, particularly surge staff

[tranquil fiber]

i see i see

[olive ember]

btw

can we push like a decent build to the top of games lantern

[tranquil fiber]

Did people know you can Brain Burst marked targets by casting on the skull Icon?

[olive ember]

holy shit all these builds suck