psyker-class

[frigid pond]

pretty much this

[olive ember]

Only required you to grind 8 levels out with a laspistol

[loud violet]

Or old.reddit.com

[bleak sonnet]

depending on what my vet has

[loud violet]

I guess?

[night marten]

to be fair heavy laspistol slapped on early levels

[true lake]

when it comes to specials pretty much any staff i ever used felt like it did far more damage or at the very least stagger to help with things

[frigid pond]

like im sure gun psy is fine but i dont see why you'd do it over playing another class

[olive ember]

He doesn’t even use the recon las on gun psyker

[bleak sonnet]

cool drip

recon is too ammo hungry

[frigid pond]

psy doesnt even have that!

[bright pike]

firefox has desktop too, but it's annoying that has to even happen >_>

[true lake]

and i have no reason to have a gun that does high damage to specials and armored dudes because my "grenade" ability is literally built for that, even if it doesnt scale up a lot for higher difficulties

[bright pike]

what gun /do/ you use o,o?

[bleak sonnet]

u dont use it for specials and armored dudes :3

[frigid pond]

it kills what needs to die to be fair

[long wharf]

psyker shouldn't have a lot of its guns

[bleak sonnet]

u use it for ranged chaff

[bleak sonnet]

mkiv or mkxii

las

[true lake]

i can do the same with any staff except for purgatus tho

voidstrike is perfect for ranged waveclear

[bright pike]

lmao x3

[bleak sonnet]

i have a vet

i like gun psyker more ngl

[vivid merlin]

veteran can't block forever

[bleak sonnet]

never touch my vet

[frigid pond]

but why is that

[true lake]

i just felt it wasnt fair for any vets i play with (and its usually a lot) for me as a psyker to go and take their much needed ammo

[loud violet]

I leveled a Zealot to 10

[frigid pond]

is it just having the F knockback is nice or something?

[true lake]

and pretty much put them out of a weapon

[vivid merlin]

sibling you have been indoctrinated into the blunt world order

[loud violet]

Then deleted it cus I felt disgusted by playing something besides psyker

[vivid merlin]

ammunition is not their right

[frigid pond]

this is also pretty true

[long wharf]

god damn you Hadron

[true lake]

well yes it isnt their right but when you get access to a staff you can easily make ammo much easier on the entire team no matter what they are running

[long wharf]

why the hell would I want sprint efficiency on my emperor blessed axe??

[bleak sonnet]

never have issue with ammo

[true lake]

ogryns need ammo a lot too with how low ammo some of their good stuff is

[bleak sonnet]

i use my gun only when i need to gun something

[bright pike]

But if you're not wasting ammo it's bever a problem :3

[vivid merlin]

because you'll do better with that ammo because you are better

[frigid pond]

nah

[covert hollow]

I have no idea why people think guns are dumb for psyker, staves are neat and all but this gun combined with Kinetic Flayer means I just pop heads constantly

[frigid pond]

i do better with the staves i feel

[true lake]

bruh none of the psyker guns have enough punch to warrant me using them for anything that a staff cant do lol

[bleak sonnet]

with my mkxii i can kill around 400 ranged grunts (usually what i shoot) with the ammo i start with

[frigid pond]

i dont think guns are dumb i just think staves are better

[long wharf]

the recon lasgun ought to be a Vet exclusive

[tacit fractal]

Purgatus and Surge

[loud violet]

I should setup remote control on my PC so I can check the store from my phone

[bleak sonnet]

i think its party dependant

i would never run a gun with 3vet for example

[fathom zealot]

Hello fellow psykers, I have just blown out my ass from eating flamin hot fries and will no longer be consuming them. It still hurts

[covert hollow]

yes but I don't build peril from using the staff

[bleak sonnet]

and never a staff with a 2 psyker party

[long wharf]

this post right here, Inquisitor

[frigid pond]

double psy staff is fine assuming you're taking different staves

[true lake]

sibling that is not how you use the purgatus force staff

[unkempt juniper]

my beloved says that if you play with fire, you will be burned

[bleak sonnet]

sure, it's "fine@

any loadout is fine

[frigid pond]

and even then double surge is ...probably strong

[loud violet]

not a single heresy level

i screm.

[bleak sonnet]

double staff lacks dps in my experience

[true lake]

just play damnation, ez

[bleak sonnet]

we kill stuff faster with no staffs tbh

the cc isnt relevant when you kill things before they become an issue

[frigid pond]

are you talking like pre-made squad?

[long wharf]

@bleak sonnetif you've not played with two psykers, one void and one surge, then you haven't experienced what "crowd control" really means in Darktide

[vivid merlin]

4 ogryns cc better

[bleak sonnet]

once again, cc irrelevant when stuff dies before it has to be cc'd

[long wharf]

have you even played Heresy?

[loud violet]

I tried damnation once and it wasn't pretty

[true lake]

surge is best for stunlocking, it doesnt really do much to crowds from experience

[frigid pond]

cuz i cannot trust everyone to kill things fast enough with randoms

[bleak sonnet]

no i only play damnation and t1 scripture runs for my weeklies

[frigid pond]

in a pre-made i could see it working though

[bleak sonnet]

no heresy

[long wharf]

I don't believe you at all.

[bleak sonnet]

ok lol

[true lake]

if its a pre-built party i would understand but with randoms i heavily doubt it

[dusty pebble]

whats the base cooldown on chastise the wicked?

[frigid pond]

like i totally believe its probably working in a pre-made, but it would never work with randoms

[long wharf]

if you successfully play Damnation as a gun psyker, then you're either with an absolutely amazing pre-made group or you're being hard carried

[true lake]

a recon lasgun can still definitely work for what this dude is suggesting but i just dont see why a psyker should be shooting down these hordes when every other class normally has stuff more suited for it

[bleak sonnet]

i never get players when i quickplay t5 so mostly with lfg players from here

[frigid pond]

well yeah im just trying to give benefit of doubt

but it does seem...kinda bullshity

[bleak sonnet]

i guarantee none of you have ran enough gun t5 runs to form a relevant opinion tbh

[long wharf]

a psyker using a recon lasgun is just lowering overall team output by not being a vet with a recon lasgun

[true lake]

even on lower difficulties these hordes become a problem within mere seconds

[frigid pond]

lowkey my main reason for purge staff main is horde control

randoms never do it

[true lake]

like i just dont see how using a recon lasgun will cut through a horde quick enough before it becomes a issue

[long wharf]

it can't

[bleak sonnet]

hordes are a non issue for my runs typically

[bright pike]

you're not using the gun for the horde tho 🤔

[bleak sonnet]

we mostly die to ranged grunts

which is why i have a lasgun

to shoot them

1 tap head

infinite range

[frigid pond]

you said you had a vet though usually

[true lake]

why wouldnt the vet do the same thing with whatever they brought with them

[long wharf]

if you have an ogryn with a shield, you shouldn't be going down to ranged grunts

[frigid pond]

^

[bleak sonnet]

how does vet clear them better? ignorance on the topic showing here

[runic gate]

Force Sword gang, is this good for boss killing? I hear Executor is borderline broken

[frigid pond]

the only reason he probably isnt is because melee grunts are on them

[true lake]

well it depends, what does your vet bring with them usually

[bright pike]

Nobody actually says /how/ they do it better

[bleak sonnet]

a vet and a psyker both 1hko ranged grunds with a lasgun

and 2 body

explain how vet does it better?

[long wharf]

you're missing a lot of First Target bonus

and Finesse affects your weak point and crit damage

[frigid pond]

iirc its the traits that vet can run

[true lake]

the traits vet has can more easily handle anything ranged

[long wharf]

see, this tells me you're trolling

[true lake]

while psyker traits are obviously centered around warp damage and charges

[long wharf]

I'm done engaging.

[runic gate]

If its for boss fights 90% of the time, does first target even matter?

[long wharf]

first target always matters, I think

[bleak sonnet]

gunners as in the ranged specialists? im talking about las patrols

[true lake]

first target only matters if you hit multiple enemies at a time, so that sword is really good for single targets by themselves

[runic gate]

I mean I hit a boss 20+ times tho

[bright pike]

🤔

[long wharf]

and when you stop a combo, and charge your sword, and wind up a heavy attack

[frigid pond]

i do have ignorance on what traits vet actually runs, but they also gain reload speed in one of the traits iirc

[long wharf]

that's first hit bonus

[bleak sonnet]

regardless of whether they ult or not, im still killing them in 1 shot

i dont see the point

[frigid pond]

so they can kill more quicker

[runic gate]

interesting, ok thx!

[true lake]

no, the game itself says first hit bonus applies to the first enemy hit in an attack if multiple enemies are hit

if you only hit one enemy it doesnt apply

[long wharf]

ugh, seriously?

[true lake]

pretty sure i read it in the new inspect page they made

[long wharf]

I'm checking now

[frigid pond]

also yeah, perma ult is kinda crazy with vet lul

[true lake]

unless i read it wrong

[lone heron]

Gunner psyker with head pops on a 15 second cooldown

[long wharf]

head pops that aren't killing elites

[frigid pond]

lowkey vet is probably the best class in the game

[long wharf]

well, I guess I was wrong - First Target text in-game says specifically when you hit multiple targets

[bleak sonnet]

and they still do all of that regardless of if i run a gun or not? i dont see your point

[lone heron]

Psyker definitely needs work

[frigid pond]

the point is they do it better, so leave the job to them and do other things

[true lake]

psyker traits are literally designed for warp charges and warp damage, two things that you get the most use out of by using force weapons

[frigid pond]

that actually helps the team

[lone heron]

Feats are too BB focused, and BB needs to kill all man sized enemies in a single shot

[bleak sonnet]

once again, cc doesnt matter if your party is killing things before they need to be cc'd

[covert hollow]

man i bet the ogryn chat is way happier than this one is about their class

[bleak sonnet]

if i brought a staff i wouldnt use it simply put

[frigid pond]

and this is why i dont believe you run damn

[frigid pond]

this statement right here

[long wharf]

try playing a Vet then

[true lake]

like if you are a level 30 psyker, most of your traits you wont get much use out of it the neither of the two weapons you brought do any warp damage

[bleak sonnet]

have a 30 vet too

[long wharf]

shit will always spawn around you

making the ability to lock groups down before they can damage the team always useful

[lone heron]

Psyker staves carry the class, because it’s not the feats/abilities

[true lake]

even if you are constantly brain popping, you just dont get much other procs and buffs you would from warp damages

[bleak sonnet]

maybe its just that my runs are going better than yours? idk what to tell you

[lethal plover]

have you tried Counterfire?

[frigid pond]

like the game loves running many specials all at once, you cannot kill them all before they get to you

[lethal plover]

as in after the patch

[long wharf]

or being able to wipe a crowd/horde out in seconds, instead of 30 seconds of swinging a melee weapon hoping none get past you

[lone heron]

But yes, cc is a valuable asset psykers bring

[lethal plover]

vet with Counterfire can keep up the ult indefinitely

[long wharf]

if you genuinely don't understand the whole point of the psyker, then you genuinely don't play one in damnation

[frigid pond]

to many mutie combos happen for me to ever doubt surge staff

[lethal plover]

it also zooms in and helps with the aiming

[long wharf]

yeah, surge is basically mandatory for Heresy+

[bleak sonnet]

i love people trying to gaslight me that i dont run damn because i play differently

[frigid pond]

its just hard to believe gun psy being good in damn

[bleak sonnet]

i play with ppl in this discord who can vouch idk

[long wharf]

I love trolls that pretend they're being gaslit

[true lake]

well where are the people who can vouch

[lethal plover]

people are getting too personal. address the arguments, not the person

[frigid pond]

like i actually would love to see VODs or clips and be proven wrong

[bleak sonnet]

@drowsy herald @humble siren @bright turtler

[lethal plover]

stop..... don't make this personal

[true lake]

its just a hard to believe thing due to how much more powerful a psyker is with warp damage sources

due to their traits and feats

[frigid pond]

im just more confused by the CC is useless statement

[long wharf]

yeah, I'd love to see a video of one of your damnation runs

[frigid pond]

like in what world are you killing all the specials that fast

[tropic halo]

i dont doubt the gun wizard surprisingly

[true lake]

most of the combat in the game is combatting hordes, even in the boss fights its all horde controlling

[frigid pond]

without any kind of CC

[bleak sonnet]

in a world where players are good enough to click heads

idk what to tell you

[fallen mortar]

hey all, is it okay to post a screen shot and ask a question, or no?

[frigid pond]

of course, whats up

[true lake]

as long as its psyker related we will help

[long wharf]

don't ask to ask, just ask

[lethal plover]

the argument
"if players are good enough"
is a red herring.
We are discussing strategies, not players. If players are good enough, they can solo with a knife. That says nothing much about the knife by itself.

[tropic halo]

the reality is, the psyker just has a bunch of extra steps to do the same thing the other classes do

[fallen mortar]

Just curious which is better. My mind is telling me the purple because of previous games, but the blue seems to have better stats, right?

[frigid pond]

both are kinda sad but yeah blue is better

im assuming you're still leveling?

[fallen mortar]

haha

[true lake]

between the two of them that blue is better due to the base stats yes

[long wharf]

both are awful, but go with blue

[fallen mortar]

Yes still leveling

Ok thank you, I figured, just checking

[true lake]

just take blue and go to hadron, or better yet sit on it until you find a better low rarity thing

[frigid pond]

def just sit on it

[true lake]

then you can level the hell out of it

[long wharf]

I wouldn't bother upgrading anything until you hit 30

[fallen mortar]

Sounds good

[frigid pond]

like buy blue and sit on it

30 is when gear starts jumping in stats

[fallen mortar]

Ah ok

So save the resources

[frigid pond]

pretty much this

yep

[fallen mortar]

Thanks all

[true lake]

ye

not a bad find though for your level

[fallen mortar]

Back to the grind 🙂

[lethal plover]

for instance? what do you think psykers are good at?

[true lake]

they can fit a lot of different flavors of CC depending on how they build themselves

[frigid pond]

CC is usually the big one, reviving as psy is pretty free as well

[true lake]

they can even choose their feats to become a melee powerhouse if they can upkeep warp charges

obviously not the strongest but fairly decent

[tropic halo]

not entirely nonessential but outside of CC we're not really top priority in a team pick. hell, i'll pick an ogryn on a team over than ourselves.

[lethal plover]

and so if CC is what you are thinking of, how is CC non-essential?
I was fighting at a choke point today and a burster spawned from the drop above. without CC, we would have wiped

[frigid pond]

psy is in a pretty bad stop def

[lethal plover]

and that's just one role mentioned

[frigid pond]

a good ogryn replaces us pretty well

[lethal plover]

is that all you can think of?

[woven crow]

The game attempted to balance having any mix of classes, but I think it's just watered down the niches

[rocky osprey]

Not really sure how to prove it, but I just got pick n mix on malice difficulty.

[true lake]

nice

[lethal plover]

I'm not. I'm reading and following your arguments.

[tropic halo]

👀 deadass?

[frigid pond]

do you think psy has other things to bring to the table?

that it does better then other classes?

[rocky osprey]

deadass. in a game rn

[lethal plover]

who else can CC the burster that was about to drop from above onto my team?

[bleak sonnet]

anyone with push

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-sweet-impressed-not-bad-gif-9592821

[tardy flower]

yea they moved pick n' mix and malleus monstronum to heresy

[frigid pond]

and yeah bursters arent an issue

[tropic halo]

new pants to shit myself in during endless horde

[frigid pond]

usually

[long wharf]

are you fuckin' with me right now?

[lethal plover]

please do not confuse my addressing of your arguments as attacks on your person. I am not doing that.

[long wharf]

you just got Pick n Mix on Malice?

[tropic halo]

i mean the game's buggy as hell right now, this could be it.

[lethal plover]

criticisms of your arguments are not attacks

[tardy flower]

they dropped all of the penances a tier it seems

[frigid pond]

psys role is like "helpful and nice to have, but not needed"

[rocky osprey]

i will try to post proof in a min once I finish and why I think the penance is bugged to begin with, sec

[long wharf]

I bet you have to kill 5 different kinds of elites/specialists with BB in the 12s

[lethal plover]

and it's not aggro or attack either, keep calm

[frigid pond]

it is

[long wharf]

so what would be bugged with it right now?

[olive ember]

ogryn shield hitbox is dumb btw

[tardy flower]

kenetic barrage makes it pretty easy

[tropic halo]

but yeah we're great to have on a team but not the most essential. honestly one of our best arguments for existing is we dont eat up the ammo, usually. we CC well and we can kill well, especially from afar, but a good veteran with a boltgun and a powersword just shits on us. every single time.

[long wharf]

that it's not supposed to be doable on Malice?

[frigid pond]

its a heresy+ penance

unless it was changed

[dusty pebble]

should I take double chastise the wicked or the increased regen on crit for my lvl 30 perk?

[night marten]

this is the grimdark truth no one wants to hear, but every psyker learns with enough runs on heresy+ (I love it anyway though)

[frigid pond]

yep, this is just true

[olive ember]

got the achieve you can kill 5 gunners

[long wharf]

the text hasn't changed

[frigid pond]

yeah so its bugged

[tropic halo]

mhm. the people i hate the most on my team? are other psykers.

[olive ember]

I dont think its a bug just rly bad text

5 different elites is close to impossible

[night marten]

I don't hate them at all, just acknowledge a well-played vet runs a train on missions in ways other classes can't

[lethal plover]

anyway, the reason I asked if this is all you can think of, is that you did not include tanking and reviving

[restive slate]

Question, does Purgatus staff have a blessing like Fan the Flames?

[frigid pond]

this explains it well, psy is nice to have, dont hate having them, but i dont miss them

[olive ember]

like the one shottable elites are a gunner, shotgunner, sniper, bomber, trapper

so yeah possible but actual aids if thats what they meant

[tropic halo]

yeah. it really sucks we're third fiddle to the veteran.

if only the psyker didn't have such D R I P

[olive ember]

yeah but psyker can be close to invulnerable while reviving if they take peril blocking and deflector

[frigid pond]

the tanking/reving things psy can do, only really happen when things go wrong

[ebon jolt]

Uh, what does this blessing even do?

[frigid pond]

and its again, nice to have, but i dont miss it when i dont have a psy

[lethal plover]

it is psyker-specific
who else can do this

[covert ermine]

I mean veteran is just point and click on enemies with a boltgun and this is pretty much the only viable strat on heresy+

[unkempt juniper]

does that mean crits do double damage on top of critting?

[frigid pond]

as i said, only happens when things go wrong

[unkempt juniper]

because that would be huge

[frigid pond]

its nice, neat to have, but eh, whatever

[lethal plover]

I'm just responding to people who are days late on what psyker can do

[frigid pond]

psy can do this yes, i know, ive done it, but its not a huge deal

[ebon jolt]

No idea. It's in the requisitorium. I'm tempted to buy it just to try it.

[lethal plover]

in fact psyker is the class with best solo potential right now, with axe surge

[tropic halo]

that being said, i enjoy playing psyker. it's almost a handicap, but i enjoy the challenge.

[olive ember]

I mean as other players switch to psyker these questions will keep popping up

[unkempt juniper]

it seems like a great blessing. I'd buy it if i had the coins to test it out and maybe transplant the blessing onto something else later

[tropic halo]

i never seen that surge critical blessing before. interesting...

[unkempt juniper]

me neither

[lethal plover]

sounds like you are not up to date with the news then
at least now I know where you are at

[lone heron]

That seems cool

[frigid pond]

comments like this sound aggro btw

[olive ember]

I mean psyker has good clutch potential idk about solo though

[ornate hamlet]

This is how I see it:
Ogryn - meat shield & tanker, revive specialist CC Expert
Sharpshooter - Ogryn/Bulwark/Crusher killer.
Zealot - Survivalist
Psyker AOE specialist, long range support. CC expert.

[lethal plover]

I am only interested in information and the arguments. that's all

[olive ember]

Psyker can psuedo tank if they need to

[frigid pond]

yep, exactly this

[lethal plover]

I will just leave with this and go back to the game

[frigid pond]

not only that but player skill is a factor as well

[ornate hamlet]

I am wondering if surge with soul fire on crit could be interesting

Axe is not a class.

[frigid pond]

anyone can do that lol

[tropic halo]

AXE wizard!!1111!!!!1!1!1!1!1

[night marten]

really like these little trinkets, gives extra flair

[ebon jolt]

For science.

[olive ember]

the main reason is because antax push attack is rly good, but psyker is the only one who can use it to meme potential because they have peril blocking

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/h3dz-guitar-riff-solo-heavy-gif-15991752

[lethal plover]

no one else can peril block
they use stamina which can't be spammed because you block with stamina

[frigid pond]

you werent even really blocking there

[unkempt juniper]

how it should be:
ogryn - tank and shield, revive and cc specialist
veteran - general dps and ranged enemy disposal
zealot - frontline, mobile melee to forced ranged enemies into melee combat
psyker - elite killer, extra dps and utility

[frigid pond]

peril was barely going up

[lethal plover]

I did for the revive

[ornate hamlet]

Fair enough.

[tropic halo]

i wish the trinket for surge didn't clip into your hand constantl

[lethal plover]

If you want a more explicit example

[frigid pond]

the revive was fine but a zealot can also do that

[lethal plover]

I walk into the valley of death, and I did not care

[frigid pond]

zealot nade lol

[ornate hamlet]

I'd agree with zealot on forcing enemies into melee combat. Ogryn can do this too. But as I said, my comment was based on my observations.

[unkempt juniper]

yeah ik, i was saying how it should be imo

[orchid nest]

also can just block for toughness without passive quell being slowed down so you can essentially be entirely safe, go on the offense, and then be entirely safe again to take a free full toughness hit

[frigid pond]

everyone can get clutch revives in spooky situations if need be/they have the resources

[tropic halo]

at the very least, we're no punk bitch

[frigid pond]

pretty much this

you dont take psy "because i can clutch if need be"

[olive ember]

what you have to realize is that on zealot any of those blocks would've staggered him because he had zero stam, but with peril blocking that doesn't happen and he can freely continue to spam push attack

[ornate hamlet]

I think what would define the psyker more is if the closer enemies are (in general) the more the psyker can stagger them (staves do this) But that is, moreso than any other class. The trauma staff knocks a bulwark on his back. Seriously.

[frigid pond]

why would you take a class for situations you ideally shouldnt be in

[vernal imp]

idk why you keep posting this over and over, yes you have brutal momentum, you weren't the one to stagger the rager who was the only threat

[lethal plover]

it is a reason
the ease with how I can do it, is what matters
knife can clear a horde by zipping around and playing like ADHD. Axe can clear a horde by standing still with peril block. there's a spectrum of utility here

[vernal imp]

hordes are a joke even without insane cleave

[olive ember]

no he was

the push attack staggers the ragers

infinitely

[tropic halo]

they really do gotta buff that trauma staff.

[vernal imp]

it doesn't?

[lethal plover]

I don't even have brutal momentum. I can screenshot my axe for you

[olive ember]

the antax push attack staggers ragers infinitely pretty sure

[lethal plover]

axe cycle is perfectly safe

[vernal imp]

only if they arent in their attack anims, which is 90% of the time

[ornate hamlet]

being able to knock multiple ogryns on their back is pretty intense.

[orchid nest]

it's similar to vermintide. it will stagger them if they don't have high stagger resist from being in an animation, in which case you need to use the special

[olive ember]

yeah just checked in meat grinder the antax push attack basically staggers ragers infinitely

[rocky osprey]

@tropic halo @long wharf okay so for these two I tagged and anyone else trying for Pick N' Mix penance, I just completed it on Malice difficulty even though the challenge says Heresy or higher. I wish I snagged a picture when it popped up but I was honestly shocked it happened; I know it'd be easy for me to lie about this to waste your time, but I myself wasted a lot of time trying to get this, I promise I don't have the energy to be ugly like that lmao. If anything you'll have an easier time trying on Malice anyway.

Here's what I know happened: I killed a total of 5 elites, specifically a Bulwark, two maulers, and two ragers. It doesn't have to be 5 different types of elites (ex being one of each: bulwark, reaper, crusher, rager, shotgunner, etc.) just 5 separate elites period.

I had my suspicions about it being bugged to begin with, as usually it tracks your best attempt on literally every other penance - I've been trying the past few days on Heresy and even Damnation, and it always showed 0/5. If there's someone who still needs it to verify on malice difficulty, maybe reply to this post so our resident psykers know and can capitalize on it before FS patches it back to heresy

[lethal plover]

also locks dogs into a stunned animation

just push attack dog until it dies

[vernal imp]

honestly after moving away from the antax it feels more and more like a clutch, without it i'm perfectly fine but with it, it turns everything into a bore

[lethal plover]

it can't run away

[frigid pond]

that would be an interesting change

[lethal plover]

again, people are clearly not up to date with how it works

[frigid pond]

im kinda into that

[vernal imp]

afaik everything stunlocks dogs lmao

[tropic halo]

i may experiment with this later today... ty for the info.

[errant stream]

GUYS i'm having a panic attack, what if i'm the one dreamed and not the dreamer?

[olive ember]

I guess we are all figments of imagination then

[tidal elm]

anyone got pics of what the final psyker hood looks like?

[frigid pond]

people just arent understanding this arguement

[tidal elm]

deciding whether to grind it out or just buy a hood

[ornate hamlet]

When my team was using this, sticking together kinda made that a non issue. I could cast it one more time to keep an ogryn on the ground while team focused the other. If you have more than 2 you can hit "F" (ability) and repeat again. and use quell between CCtimers.

[olive ember]

I mean I'm using the antax axe on my zealot, I still run FS on my psyker

[rocky osprey]

Don't have it unlocked just yet, but here's the thumbnail ig lol

[olive ember]

though I'm basically running 3 stam curios on zealot

[vernal imp]

stam curios are bugged

[tidal elm]

yea wanted to see what the googles looked like on chars, but thanks

[vernal imp]

they only ever give +1 stam

[olive ember]

Someone else’s pic from a while back

[ornate hamlet]

Lie, I got a curio yesterday of +3 stam.

[tidal elm]

ty everyone!

[night marten]

I think it's easier on *heresy due to the increased elite spawns

[thorn comet]

what lv do psykers get knives

[vernal imp]

yes, but they dont give +3 stamina, only +1

thats why i said its a bug

[worthy wasp]

People that didnt play vt/vt2 arent used to the idea of utilizing optimals combos ad nauseum and use a mix of light/heavies.

Then they learn the optimal rotation from a dude like you, me, a guide, etc... and say "man thats repetitive!" without understanding ALL weapons have an optimal rotation you spam. Antax MkVs is just safe af and cleaves w/ solid ap

[ornate hamlet]

Damage is higher than Voidstrike.

[lethal plover]

specific
For instance, handling melee is not specific to ogryn (zealot can do it). But that doesn't mean anything. I'm not understanding what's crucial about being "specific"?

[frigid pond]

because the point of this argument was what makes psy special/unique and what do they bring to the table

[rocky osprey]

Maybe, but I feel like I had gotten the required 5 kills on Heresy and still never got it. Here I am on Malice getting it on accident lmao

[lethal plover]

if the same role, like horde clearer, can be handled by zealot or psyker, the role is not class-specific, but what's so important about being specific or unique?

[quaint jewel]

#buffpurgatus

[vernal imp]

it just so happens that the "optimal rotation" is just hold M2, mash M1 which isn't exactly the epitome of fun

[ornate hamlet]

I can't say either way with 100% certainty as I haven't tested it. I will say that the alphastrike damage as reflected by damage charts in the inspection tool show Trauma to do about 200 more dmg.

[olive ember]

yeah antax on psyker is def the best because of peril blocking, which is sadge cuz I wanna run it just as effectively on my zealot but ik all my stam would just get drained

[lethal plover]

in fact this game is set up so that
every character can perform various roles
With great overlap
Uniqueness isn't the point

[thorn comet]

what lv do psykers get knives

[worthy wasp]

Compared to what? Spamming push>light->heavy>repeat on fs?

[olive ember]

its actually light - heavy - push on repeat

I'll have you know

[vernal imp]

i don't use the fs and if i do i wouldn't even bother with hordes in melee if i could help it

[hexed compass]

I think my 2nd psyker melee was a knife, they just dont get them often in the shop @thorn comet

[worthy wasp]

Point is all melees are repetitive

Some are just safer than others

[tired solar]

this good?

[thorn comet]

ah ok, i figured they had a low chance to be in the shop, dont know why tho

[lethal plover]

I make a counter argument. I don't need a vet. What does a vet do for me? I cleared games with 2 ogryns 2 psykers and 2 zealots 2 psykers on damnation a lot.

[brave drift]

Anyone else's Weekly Missions not progressing?

[olive ember]

damange is E, perk is E , trait is good, otherwise staff is good

[cyan notch]

sure but theres a difference between spamming a chain combo and just spamming one attack lol

[frigid pond]

for the vet example, you really notice when nobody is taking out ranged units

and i def miss a vet

[lethal plover]

no class in this game is absolutely irreplaceable
we all can cover for each other
it's part of the design

[ornate hamlet]

I've also noticed that rapid striking with secondary is pretty strong too. (Smaller AOE, still big dmg)

[frigid pond]

i never notice with psy

[clever breach]

I think main strength of the psyker is that you can fill the role for whatever class in whatever situation.

[lethal plover]

you were talking about the opportunity cost, comparing between the classes

I don't see myself costing much without vets

[night marten]

did anyone make that claim? most experienced psykers simply recognize vet contributes in every way a psyker can just better (played well)

[olive ember]

I mean having a lasgun vet helps with shooter spam

[night marten]

it's not about "irreplaceability"

[frigid pond]

i kinda think this is valid

[lost pike]

decent

[ornate hamlet]

80^3!? D8

[night marten]

don't agree, that quell speed hurts too much imo

[summer wind]

vets are just better than psyker, straight up

[frigid pond]

psy is kinda like the jack of all trades master of none, you can fill missing roles but you wont do it as well as others

[summer wind]

psyker is fun, and the lack of ammo is nice

[loud violet]

ideal for passive quell maybe

[olive ember]

its aight, quell speed and charge rate are sadge moment tho

[summer wind]

agreed

vet is easily the strongest class rn

power sword + bolter/lasgun

[frigid pond]

huge easily

[lost pike]

well I really dont charge the lightning up fully anyways, I usually tap it

[errant stream]

isn't only a 0,3s of difference? 48% vs 80% quell speed at 99% peril

[lost pike]

and the quell is fine, no issues at all with the F ability anyways

[summer wind]

give them default toughness, for one

[lethal plover]

and I'm saying I don't miss anything from any class if they're not around. because others can cover those same roles
It's really the 5 main threats we care about: zombie hordes, trash shooters, armored elites, surprise specials, ranged specials
You can kill those threats or manage them or whatever. The class comp doesn't matter, as long as those guys specialize into covering these for the team.

[vernal imp]

idk why this is a stretch to some people
you can feel a veteran being missing when elites / specials and gunners arent killed within 2 seconds
you can feel a zealot missing when theres no stun grenade to instawin a horde
ogryns can even stagger a shitton while you fight a horde, but psykers are just.. neat?

[frigid pond]

EXACTLY

[lethal plover]

so my perspective is that classes aren't important
roles are

[night marten]

it's zealot that needs the double toughness imo (I don't know anything about that class

get them in range to disrupt range with melee like they should

[long wharf]

so you think the bug is that it isn't counting specialists right?

so I need to target elites only?

[vernal imp]

like sure we can FILL the role but we won't fill it perfectly, surge is great CC but it's never gonna be like ogryn shield heavy that just throws ragers to the floor and everything around them

[errant stream]

he actually doesn't he has more EHP thanks to damage reduction

[summer wind]

unfortunately that isn't how it works

[lethal plover]

no need for luck, I have been playing with parties missing classes all the time

[summer wind]

you can only change your role so much

zealot being played like a vet, is just a worse vet

[frigid pond]

nobody is saying you cant play with them missing

[summer wind]

psyker using the shield like an ogre, is a worse ogre

and so on and so forth

[rocky osprey]

I don't think specials count, no - I think that's intentional actually. But also I think it's just not working on Heresy period lol

[lethal plover]

and you start to learn that you can clear with any classes as long as the roles are filled

[summer wind]

you gimp yourself by trying to play a different role within your class

[night marten]

sorry man, I just think you're completely missing the idea of "opportunity cost"

It's not about "can"

[frigid pond]

its effectiveness basically

[summer wind]

you "can" solo the game with white gear

you "can" play 4 psykers

you "can" play diff 5 as a level 1 with a buddy bringing you up

but you shouldn't

[vernal imp]

it's not about "you can fill the role" its how effective you are, like psyker COULD kill ranged with void but vet can do it much faster and easier, and if you bring a gun to do that role then massive L

[ebon jolt]

@unkempt juniper So from testing this blessing, it creates a secondary non-critical hit based on the same damage and area as the first hit. So if the first hit was a weakspot crit it will do weakspot damage. And it you charged the staff with the secondary damage it will maintain the same level of power and damage as the first hit. So if you mix this with the blessing that gives crit based on level of peril... 🍆

[olive ember]

I mean using deflector on psyker is amazing idk what you talking about kek

[lethal plover]

you can? I would like to see that. that's some deep challenge right there

[cyan notch]

u actually cant theres a level requirement

[summer wind]

you can yeah

[lethal plover]

unless you're j_sat playing a smurf account

[summer wind]

if you're in a striketeam you can play any diff

as in, if someone there suggests a mission

[olive ember]

actually you can just have someone else queue you in

[lethal plover]

but can a player of level 1 clear it?

[summer wind]

i guess if everyone leaves then you can play it with bots

and yes you would get rewards if the mission was passed

[lethal plover]

anyway playing and clearing should not be confused

[errant stream]

If only i had it T-T no matter how many FS i upgrade i can't find it

[summer wind]

that's sidestepping my point

the point is, you can do whatever you want

but it's more effective to play a certain way

[olive ember]

Oh yeah since the zealot chat wont answer me

[summer wind]

the game lets you do these things

[night marten]

vastly more effective

[summer wind]

and it's possible

yeah

that's just how it is

[olive ember]

which lvl 5 trait should I run with antax axe

using the antax axe + flamer

since the zealot chat doesn't respond half the time

[lethal plover]

and what do you say to people who insist psykers should only use surge staff ?

[frigid pond]

surge is good on psy, psy brings CC to the table

[summer wind]

they're right

[night marten]

all three non-trauma staffs are viable

[olive ember]

they are factually 100% correct kek

[summer wind]

like yeah surge is the best staff for psyker

but i'm still gonna use purge

[frigid pond]

thats psys "role" you could say

[night marten]

I can't make a definitive statement about which is optimal

[summer wind]

because i like fun

[lethal plover]

well, feel free to argue amongst yourselves

[frigid pond]

??

[olive ember]

They need some form of health regen since toughness bleedthrough is percentage based

[lethal plover]

see, agreeing on what is the best isn't easy

[night marten]

only one anyone is arguing with is you. bringing psykers over vets is an opportunity cost that's undeniable, even if you're having fun

[summer wind]

what

it's literally so easy

[frigid pond]

we just all agreed

what do you mean

[vernal imp]

thats the best thing about psyker, you can change your "job" with the staff instead of sticking with surge, but surge is legit the safest option to help out with both ranged guys that shoot through cover and a swarm of ragers and shit

[lethal plover]

you just said 3 staves are viable. Contradicting my question about people who said you should only bring surge

[summer wind]

they're viable

[frigid pond]

viable doesnt = best

[summer wind]

surge is best, though

[night marten]

again man, I really think you should google "opportunity cost"

[frigid pond]

trauma is just unplayable

[night marten]

you've repeatedly demonstrated you're not grasping it

[olive ember]

it doesn't matter if they have 200 toughness, they get shot twice drop down to 70% toughness instead of 30% and still take hp damage from melee, I think the 100 toughness is fine, they just need to lessen the ranged stagger on zealot specifically and maybe some form of condition health regen

not much but to be able to heal chip damage

[lethal plover]

so are you saying you agree using purge has an opportunity cost compared to surge?

[olive ember]

anyways idk why im talking about this in psyker chat kek

[strong nest]

Hey guys, can someone help me to figure out how to complete "going out with a bang". Please and thanks!

[vernal imp]

yeah idk why lmao

[frigid pond]

you need to blow yourself up on 3 elites

[olive ember]

someone in chat mentioned they think zealot should have double toughness and it triggered something within me

[night marten]

I said I can't tell anyone which is best. Just that all three non-trauma staffs are viable. and that's literally because I don't know

[summer wind]

the trick is to do it accidentally, but for real you can do it with a premade or bots and just look for a group of ragers

[olive ember]

idk why

[lethal plover]

I said I can't tell anyone which is best
Is what you said.
Which is exactly the same as what I said, agreeing on what is best is not easy.

[olive ember]

to add on to that, it also has to be 3 elites specials dont count

[summer wind]

i wouldn't actually be opposed if they had nerfs to go with it

[errant stream]

bring with you a zealot, go in difficulty 5 Logistratum and on the bridge clear everything from long range except 3 or 4 ragers, then ask the zealot to stun them with a grenade and make yourself blow up

[summer wind]

it suits zealot on paper

[lethal plover]

because it depends on playstyles and the person executing it as well

[night marten]

we're looping.

[vernal imp]

you are literally the only one who thinks otherwise, troll?

[frigid pond]

scenario being a big factor, team comps matter

[strong nest]

Yeah I've tried doing a damnation quick run but my explosions never kill them

[olive ember]

I mean I think they should just keep the toughness and give them some kind of conditional health regen besides "every 90 seconds when you die, don't and heal instead"

[frigid pond]

surge is usually the best in most cases though

[summer wind]

i wish the melee thing from the death was also on the ult, because rn it's pretty bad

[frigid pond]

since it allows everyone else to play better

[summer wind]

well, not bad

[errant stream]

use voidstrike staff, go near them and shoot at the floor to make you explode, the explosion of the shots will dmg them but not too much, so you can end them with the peril

[strong nest]

@errant stream ooh good idea

[summer wind]

but it feels sad

[lethal plover]

so gewl thinks purge has an opportunity cost and is therefore "worse" than surge
bowkill can't bring himself to agree purge is worse than surge

[frigid pond]

everything else is usually brought to fill the void left by other units missing

[spare niche]

surge makes u an uber support role

[night marten]

correct

[lethal plover]

so there is a difference of opinion between bowkill and gewl

[summer wind]

alright chill

this has to be on purpose

[frigid pond]

def seems like it

[olive ember]

surge is aight but god it feels like shit when you are playing with blind af teammates like "holy shit guys help me kill the 2 dogs, mutant, and burster that i'm cc'ing"

[night marten]

I've said this to him multiple times, just ignores it.

[summer wind]

yeah

surge feels like garbo to use to me

i hate using it

it do be good but

gah

[frigid pond]

yeaah im not a surge fan either

purge is just fun to use

[summer wind]

did they need to make it feel so bad to use

[olive ember]

oh no i am a surge fan I just fucking hate when I have blind teammates kek

[lethal plover]

ok, I then revise my understanding of your opinion.
Now you think purge is not "worse" than surge. They are just different and not quite comparable. Is that correct?

[frigid pond]

disagree, lighting mobs on fire makes me happy

[summer wind]

i'm gonna leave, y'all have fun with delerik

[olive ember]

tbh in terms of feel burning a horde to a crisp also feels rly nice

[summer wind]

👋

[errant stream]

remember that warp charges makes your explosion do more dmg too, if you can try to stack them up before exploding, it is not too much of a difference but you do just around 10%-15% more dmg but it is something

[frigid pond]

its becoming funny to watch tbh

but fair bye byee

[strong nest]

@errant stream Thanks! So last question, where can I go to find people to group up with that doesn't mind doing penance?

[olive ember]

if warp charges are the breakpoints you need to one shot on explosion then i'm fucking done lmao

[errant stream]

may the god emperor help you here because the community won't

[olive ember]

but in all seriousness you can also try to do some scratch damage like with uncharged search or a swing of the fs light

[strong nest]

@errant stream lmfao thank you for the headsup

[lethal plover]

can you explain what you mean by "comparable" ?
As in they have different strengths (and therefore not a linear order), or that one is strictly better than the other?

[olive ember]

you either get friends (rip) or pray someone in LFG is also doing it

[errant stream]

btw i can help you but my zealot is only lvl 17, i would just be a granade bitch if you need

[olive ember]

I legit spent 6 hours from 12 AM to 6 AM for that achievement because that was the time I found a LFG group

[strong nest]

@olive ember I guess what I mean is I've never used discord before so I'm not sure where to look

[lethal plover]

and, is one better than the other? or you can not make such a statement?

[loud violet]

Why is all the team I'm getting tonight

[frigid pond]

yes surge is better

we know this

[loud violet]

just running around on their own

[strong nest]

@errant stream I mean if you want to then I wouldn't turn it away

[errant stream]

i've sent u my Steam

[olive ember]

if you don't use discord #vox-lfg-nasa (I'm assuming you in NA) and you don't have a friend group then yeah good luck... your "best" bet is to run damnation endless horde and pray that there are other achievement hunting randos who are nice enough to help out but dont count on it

[frigid pond]

even in scenarios imo surge is just better in a "perfect comp" if you could make up such a thing

but other staves are better depending on ur team

[strong nest]

@errant stream so not to sound too dumb, but where do I look for your messages?

[lethal plover]

in short, the answer is that it depends, and there is no clear best

[errant stream]

top left of discord, direct messages, then you should see my Profile picture, click on it

[lethal plover]

is that correct?

[frigid pond]

there is a clear best in specific runs

[lethal plover]

no clear best in all scenarios I mean

for a specific team and scenario there may be a clear best
but no clear best for all scenarios, right?

[paper trail]

This conversation is painful to watch

[frigid pond]

im finding it hilarious

[lethal plover]

I'm just slowly walking people to the logical conclusion I held all along

[frigid pond]

"PSY IS BEST IN SOME SITUATIONS HA GOTTEM"

[night marten]

@lethal plover the language games are really obnoxious. sorry man, gonna have to be a block

[paper trail]

It honestly does feel like everyone sort of backtracked and now its just going in circles

[lethal plover]

not really, just logic.

no clear best for all scenarios is such a basic thing

i am surprised it took this long to get people to it

[frigid pond]

"you cannot comprehend my mind"

[lethal plover]

I was using the socratic method by the way

[frigid pond]

pfft

[lethal plover]

it doesn't matter

[frigid pond]

he cannot be serious

[lethal plover]

thanks, I strive to entertain

[frigid pond]

ah man we really just were too slow all along

[summer wind]

i had to google that

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/wormieclub-socratic-seminar-monsters-inc-socratic-seminar-gif-25462667

[summer wind]

also i'm back hi

[frigid pond]

hey

[summer wind]

got a sandwich

[frigid pond]

what kind, was it the best for the scenario

[summer wind]

unfortunately i paid a large opportunity cost in taking a ham sandwich

[loud violet]

2 bots on our team and the zealot charges the demon host

[frigid pond]

damn

[summer wind]

hopefully it will still be viable

[loud violet]

😭

[summer wind]

i literally just had this happen

[tropic halo]

my money's on the zealot tbh

[loud violet]

The zealot got wiped and I was one-shot as I was already low hp

lmao

[stark snow]

Was the socratic method the best method for this scenario? Is it just the best method for all scenarios?

[summer wind]

i'm fucking dying

[frigid pond]

holy shit

[olive ember]

There is literally zero reason to fight the daemonhost even with a shield ogryn cuz you just take unnecessary corruption rip except for the one time achievement

[frigid pond]

im crying

[summer wind]

all of this

for fucking staves

[frigid pond]

i really hope they add something like loot die

[summer wind]

make them drop crafting mats

boom done

[frigid pond]

yeah

[summer wind]

or a unique one or smth

iunno

[frigid pond]

like please

[summer wind]

fuck it, ammo

[frigid pond]

make it worth it

[summer wind]

they drop an opened ammo crate on death

i don't know bro

[tropic halo]

the true psyker tapes a gun to the end of their staff to cast projectiles.

[summer wind]

just

something

[olive ember]

On one hand yes I want a reward for having to deal with the hassle, but on the other hand I feel like its just gonna make alot of shitters attempt to kill the daemonhost and then wipe because of it

[paper trail]

does anyone just blow all their weeklies on mystery boxes?

[frigid pond]

n-no

[summer wind]

opinion: daemonhost shouldn't be damn near impossible without a shield ogre

[olive ember]

whats the chance you actually get a good grey thats the weapon you want

[spark fractal]

The core of this game is so good, they just need to, I don’t know, steal everything else like crafting, modding, the economy, etc. from better designers, like call the drg guys for advice on how to reward players

[frigid pond]

i kinda learned to tank it

[tropic halo]

you just got ripped off by the 40k equivalent of gatcha machines

[olive ember]

cuz I get fucking 320 autoguns the like 3 times I tried

[tropic halo]

imperium gatcha machines

[summer wind]

i haven't ever had to tank it

because i don't set it off and i get really lucky

[paper trail]

debatably its much faster than waiting on shops to reroll

[stark snow]

I have tanked it before, it's not too bad

[summer wind]

but it always kills whoever sets it off

[paper trail]

especially when the other shops consistently have shit gear on them

[frigid pond]

my friends n i sometimes do it just to test stuff but yeah

[paper trail]

its really just more rolls

[frigid pond]

really not worth it

[tropic halo]

honestly yeah melk's shop is kinda useless to us now.

you can make your own weapons and curios.

[loud violet]

What are we meant to do

with all this gold

[olive ember]

the only time I've seen it not kill whoever sets it off (I'm assuming malice+ and not counting low difficulty) is when the one who aggroed it is a shield ogryn or psyker with peril blocking (me)

[spark fractal]

Autoguns are actually good, unfortunately, not for psykers, because none of our talents interact with them in meaningful ways, except once every 15 seconds you might get a free brain burst

[summer wind]

peril blocking 🙏

[tropic halo]

buy the same pants but with different textures.

[frigid pond]

same pants but BLUE

wooo

[paper trail]

I could open like 40 mystery boxes right now its tempting

[summer wind]

blue and light blue checkers looking fine damn

[tropic halo]

stripes on your pants? that's gonna be an extra forty thousand there, harlot...

[summer wind]

every night, i wake up in a cold sweat, the only thing i hear is an echoing voice

"varlet.."

🥵

[olive ember]

my friends hard tilted but I ran into a daemonhost to test out peril blocking for the memes and hey it worked well enough

it was next to a medstation too so I didn't even care about the corruption

[tropic halo]

what we need?

is more bosses

[summer wind]

that aren't beast of nurgle or daemon host

i don't like either of them

[olive ember]

want a grey hood with facemask? 165k

[lethal plover]

do you have a recording of this fight? it would greatly help

[tropic halo]

What a STEAL

[summer wind]

thunder hammer: 10k

pants: 45k

the imperial economy is in shambles

[paper trail]

has anyone tested if having 4 psykers all only use BB on a monstrosity gives the pennance or anything lol

[tropic halo]

how can we only have daemonhost, beast of nurgle, plague ogryn, and random fired IG traitor guy as bosses...

that's really sad.

[summer wind]

i do want more raid bosses

[restive slate]

War is cheap, Fashion is priceless

[spare niche]

^^

[olive ember]

lol no, i dont have recording software, and even if I did I don't think my pc can handle both darktide and recording darktide tbh

[tropic halo]

Life is temporary, drip is forever.

[spare niche]

gotta look good when u get fucked up right?

[restive slate]

Imagine a runway show of 40k fashions

[olive ember]

monster hunter brain makes me think IG stands for insect glaive

[tropic halo]

gotta look good when you crash from the server, baby

[lethal plover]

how many mini-bosses in vermintide

[loud violet]

What do you guys think this'll be

[summer wind]

probably a log or something

[tropic halo]

no clue

[summer wind]

like it tells you about enemies

[restive slate]

Battle logs probably

[summer wind]

like this

but for darktide

[lethal plover]

so, not that many I suppose

[tropic halo]

god i hope we have more than five bosses.

im already getting tired of the four we got.

[summer wind]

imagine if a space marine was a boss

[olive ember]

Ik in the trailer it showed off the chaos spawn

so I'm assuming we are going to get chaos spawn eventually

[summer wind]

like mid mission, morrow calls out, panicked

about a space marine in the area

and then he bursts through a wall

well i guess he wouldn't be panicked

but you get the idea

[tropic halo]

i want a tiny giggly nurgling to chase around tbh so i can smack him for loot.

[summer wind]

could be fun

[loud violet]

H E L F

[olive ember]

imagine that is what "flash" mission is

[summer wind]

dayum

[tacit solstice]

four bosses? I thought we just had Plague Ogryn, The Slug thing, and the daemonhost

[summer wind]

i'm dumb, what's this mean

[olive ember]

you just have a space marine show up and suddenly its "haha abort abort run away!~"

[summer wind]

oh lol

honestly, with the power scaling we have

[lethal plover]

NVIDIA has shadowplay which dumps GPU stuff onto file with really low performance overhead (at the cost of huge uncompressed file size). It's part of nvidia geforce experience. AMD has a similar option. GPU stuff is the best for recording.

[summer wind]

a space marine would be a raid boss

[tropic halo]

dont forget the assassination boss guy witht he big shield

[summer wind]

not impossible, but not a common boss

[tacit solstice]

oh yeah. didnt think of him cuz hes mission specific

[brave vale]

Alright here me out

[summer wind]

we have thunder hammers, scaled down bolters, plasma weapons

[worn mica]

is curio as a mission reward bad since you want weapons?

[teal cargo]

is Alchyss axe any good?

[summer wind]

absolutely possible to go through that armor

[olive ember]

is it the Antax? no? not good

[brave vale]

Peril management is just edging and psyker players are attracted to the class because we're coomers

[summer wind]

you just buy things anyways so it doesn't really do anything

[teal cargo]

😢

[summer wind]

what the fuck don't tell them

[worn mica]

shut.

[teal cargo]

Cursed

[tropic halo]

we got a snitch over here

[summer wind]

I CAN'T CONTROL IT

[olive ember]

SUCH POWER

[tropic halo]

DROWNING-

[restive slate]

If it was a Traitor Marine boss... I'd rather him near unbeatable and we need to hack the comms to call support and escape

[summer wind]

YES, FLOW THROUGH ME

[summer wind]

i wanna kick his ass

[loud violet]

I AM ONE WITH THE WARP

[summer wind]

on tabletop a space marine has no chance of beating our group

[tropic halo]

don't let the commissar see us

[teal cargo]

Man error 3001

[restive slate]

mad/pained laughter

[cyan notch]

i actually hate this line it lasts so long

[summer wind]

we are tolerated, to a point

[hot garnet]

same just gotta wait for fat shart to fix their shit again

[lethal plover]

I mean, variety would sure be nice, but it's really how the threats are combined to make unique encounters. Like we all know what a dog is, but all the ways a dog can appear are just bewildering

[loud violet]

I

[restive slate]

The Beloved Voice one hahaha

[loud violet]

hate when mobs spawn from a door

you're standing against

[summer wind]

same

it's so dumb

[olive ember]

you mean a dog tokyo drifts around a corner, runs past you, and then backflips around and pounces on you?

[tropic halo]

i mean true but i would like more bosses nonetheless with how rich of a setting 40k is

[summer wind]

"haha sorry the wall was actually an enemy spawner"

[worn mica]

trying to find scriptures is horrible as psyker cause you cant tell if the whispering is cause youre playing psyker or if theres a book neaarby

[tacit solstice]

There should be a minimum spawn distance. if for nothing else, at least for specs

[summer wind]

when i heard about daemon i was so paranoid at first

[lethal plover]

don't forget dog's invisible insta-knockback field on surrounding players

[summer wind]

because i thought i was hearing it all the time

[loud violet]

I had a burster immediately leap at me from a door

[summer wind]

yeah same

it sucks

bursters suck in general tho

you're supposed to be able to push them

which works,

about 30% of the time

[olive ember]

more bearable than the dogs honestly

[summer wind]

i like dogs

you can push them consistently

[loud violet]

Dogs are easy to CC too

[olive ember]

atleast they are slow af, the dogs just have aids hitboxes when they pounce

[restive slate]

Dogs defy physics, fun

[summer wind]

purge / surge staves both turn them into a joke

and spamming push usually stops them

bursters are pretty much a 70% chance of someone on your team taking that damage to the face

[tacit solstice]

spam push w force sword they cant do shit lol

[loud violet]

3/4

lmao

[summer wind]

i should add force sword, yeah

[tacit solstice]

dont even need the push attack that gives peril, just the stagger

[tired solar]

kill 1000 dregs with melee is not fun as a psker :/

[summer wind]

force sword feels so shitty to use after playing zealot with a thunder hammer

[summer wind]

it's shared

your team can do it for you

that or flame staff counts as melee

[tacit solstice]

lol

[tired solar]

flame staff counts?

[summer wind]

i don't think so

[lethal plover]

it's the best contract
literally just play the game

[summer wind]

but i got it while using just that

[lethal plover]

I fulfill contracts without chasing for them

[restive slate]

Imagine if charged special attack of staffs had effects of said staff, ie electric, flame, void, trauma

[summer wind]

socrates is the best darktide player

[tired solar]

i also got kill 1000 scabs with melee but it appears bugged :/

[summer wind]

you heard it here folks

[summer wind]

pls

i kinda wish the staves were just one staff

and you could cycle between them using the special move

[tacit solstice]

i have to queue specifically for script missions when i gotta do 25 of em, else i dont get enough

[tired solar]

kinda wish you could share loot with your other charaters :/

[summer wind]

that would make psyker so good

[olive ember]

nah cuz if you could have 3 in one they would just make each mode rly bad

[summer wind]

nah i don't mean like how they would do it

i mean ideally

[safe mountain]

And they like bug out 50% of the time and become CC immune

[olive ember]

I do wish the special moved was cooler though, like I want to slam my staff in the ground and do like an AOE stun with lightning staff, maybe an explosion with fire/trauma, idk about voidstrike

[summer wind]

OR A BLOCK

:(

[lethal plover]

there are plenty of ways to make a class good
the question is if it becomes too good

give me insta BB without peril

[summer wind]

this isn't about balance

this is about cool ideas

[olive ember]

Give me back closed beta BB

[lethal plover]

coolness, eh

[dusky lantern]

whats BB

bareback?

[summer wind]

big boobs

[spare niche]

voidstrike would send out small balls of exploding torment LOL

[tacit solstice]

nah, i want just one thing:
Let me use weapon special w BB out to slap ppl away. PLS

[olive ember]

the one that had actually good tracking and stuns at start of cast

[tropic halo]

bareback boobs

[summer wind]

what if the staff smack brainbursted your target, with normal peril cost

becoming the faster way to brain burst

[stiff maple]

acceptable

[olive ember]

closed beta BB actually felt nice to use, now I get shot to shit by the gunner while I end up targeting the damn pox walker next to it

[tropic halo]

that would actually be fuckin dope

[summer wind]

i would genuinely love that

[spare niche]

thats actually a great idea

[summer wind]

rager walks up to you

[clear heath]

brain bonk

[summer wind]

smack him

[tacit solstice]

i would do that even if it cost a little extra peril

[summer wind]

fuckin head explodes

[restive slate]

BB = bussin bussin

[spare niche]

brain bonk LOL

[ornate hamlet]

did they nerf BB? I remember it 1 shotting mauler elites at uprising but now they need 2 BBs to kill?

[summer wind]

they need 3-4 for the tougher stuff now

also, i'd like to make everyone aware

[tacit solstice]

Brain Bustin'

[summer wind]

brain burst always targets the head

brain burst also takes armor reduction

[restive slate]

Even the Psyker says bussin bussin when high peril

[olive ember]

I still want the staff special to be some form of knockback/stun/explosion around you

[summer wind]

maulers have the most armor on the head

that is all

goodbye

[olive ember]

then I can scream YOU SHALL NOT PASS when a horde shows up

[spare niche]

or WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOOMMAH

[ornate hamlet]

thank you for the knowledge

[summer wind]

"Bussin.... Bussin....."

[tacit solstice]

oh, i always assumed BB did warp dmg and ignored armor or some bs

[teal cargo]

yo wtf

[tropic halo]

raise your hand if you want Dawn of War Winter Assault voicelines in DT

[teal cargo]

why are there soemtimes like an infinite horde of guys

[tropic halo]

👋

[spare niche]

👋

[summer wind]

👋

WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOM

[olive ember]

thats what people assume but nope, same thing with force sword, does more damage to the body than the head of the mauler

[tropic halo]

MORALE BROKEN

[hexed compass]

@teal cargo So you can kill them silly

[summer wind]

yeah psyker powers that attack your target's very soul get stopped by some crappy metal

[teal cargo]

hmmmm

[ornate hamlet]

BB kinda mid

[summer wind]

it's dumb

[tacit solstice]

good to know...

[lethal plover]

BB can target torsos?

[ornate hamlet]

anyone try the soul blaze build with purgatus

[summer wind]

it can't

[olive ember]

its still got decent penetration so its not the end of the world, but yeah it sucks

[summer wind]

it's called brain burst for a reason

[restive slate]

BB should increase dmg based on char power level

[summer wind]

yeah it's fun

really good at against hordes

can kinda deal with low-armor elites

useless against armored ones

[ornate hamlet]

i tried it in psykanium and i feel its not working right cause i was killing the mobs but getting no stacks

[summer wind]

mediocre against guns depending on the range

[olive ember]

you basically run peril resist and 6 warp charges + ascendant blaze to generate stacks

[restive slate]

Purgatus left click really surprised me with how much cc it provides

[vernal imp]

its because the damage from the staff doesnt proc it, only the damage over time from it

[olive ember]

someone mentioned the flame itself doesn't count as soulblaze, just the dot damage

[vernal imp]

it's not great

[summer wind]

correct

[ornate hamlet]

oh wow

[summer wind]

and the damage over time is far lower than regular ass fire

[vernal imp]

weakest dot in the game rn

[olive ember]

it doesn't mean as much in actual gameplay though I think because of how dense the hordes are

[summer wind]

because psychic fire is much less dangerous than napalm, apparently

[ornate hamlet]

it stacks infinitely though doesnt it

[spare niche]

if the soul blaze proc worked on all damage effects not just the special would be dope, unless im retarded?

[ornate hamlet]

i sa 170 dots

[summer wind]

no

[brave vale]

lore wise isnt warp flame stronger

[summer wind]

yes

by a lot

there's a reason psykers are feared

[teal cargo]

someitmes i feel like the last one left and theres just an enormous tide of zombies lol

[summer wind]

and it's not because they're different

well, not entirely

[brave vale]

how much does soulblaze stack

[olive ember]

also anyone know how good or bad infernus damage is since they capped how many procs you can stack with infernus

[summer wind]

burn increases the cap

afaik

so you want burn, quell, and damage, i think

[spare niche]

https://tenor.com/view/psyker-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-command-squad-imperial-guard-gif-23571492

[restive slate]

Is there anything to increase stagger on purgatus?

[summer wind]

cry

[restive slate]

Or at least best blessing for purgatus

[brave vale]

How much does soulblaze stack to and what damage at max stacks

[lethal plover]

that psyker is not very drippy

[summer wind]

i like the suppression one

[restive slate]

Lvl 5 psyker

[runic hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKOHKzhcTzY

[olive ember]

its got good damage at high stacks but you gotta get like 6+ stacks of it

which is the big problem

[summer wind]

don't need drip when you have a voice like that

[spare niche]

LOOOL

[orchid nest]

Confirming the reports that pick n mix is doable on malice right now

[spare niche]

best line ever

[ornate hamlet]

imagine they start selling voicelines

[summer wind]

i'd like to propose something

[restive slate]

Ok will aim for that

[spare niche]

omg if u could create your own voice lines

[summer wind]

can we all agree, that vet mains poopoodoodoo lame

[spare niche]

imagine the memes

[olive ember]

and the fire staff dot is considered "soulblaze" but its a different soulblaze that doesn't stack with perk soulblazes iirc

[brave vale]

Okay so like how much does a single fully charged purge staff stack

[summer wind]

you use psyker fire to make different psyker fire

[ornate hamlet]

vet mains are the answer to lines of ranged lol

[summer wind]

which, makes different psyker fire

why are there 3 different kinds

[hot sphinx]

hello

[olive ember]

I can check but I don't rly run purgutus so maybe my build is bad

[hot sphinx]

What's your favorite type of psyker background?

[summer wind]

yeah but that won't stop me from being grumpy

[hot sphinx]

Are any friendly to Ogryn

[restive slate]

Vet best support is marking everything so I can see through my purgatus flames

[summer wind]

most psykers are, i think

[ebon jolt]

Depends on your burn stat

[olive ember]

I think savant (the french/jamaican sounding one) is kinda friendly

[spare niche]

psykers lore is mega

[summer wind]

i've got the one that talks about enforcers all the time

[restive slate]

The french one?

[summer wind]

"why are abhumans treated as such, we are all loyal servants of the throne, no?" or something like that

yeah the french one

[hot sphinx]

ah

which one is that?

[summer wind]

good question

[hot sphinx]

Savant? I remember I was playing Ogryn and someone called me 'Lovely'

[restive slate]

Psyker justice warrior

[lethal plover]

it's funny that your own purgatus blinds you, but not others

[spare niche]

beloved

[supple skiff]

Loner also has lines empathetic to a humans

[ornate hamlet]

you think itll be possible to mod this game to add our own voicelines

[paper trail]

burn shows max 16 stacks but that actually seems odd since my 79% burn staff has 15 stacks

[ornate hamlet]

like monster hunter world

[long wharf]

@lament swan do you happen to have an Ogryn alt?

[summer wind]

nah

[restive slate]

Imo loner is cynical but nice, just hurt and scared... Not sure what that says abt me