psyker-class

[devout belfry]

Pmsag. An artist of talking all day without saying anything.

[gilded hatch]

I give examples?

[tired cosmos]

What talents should I pick as I level up??

[mild lotus]

I use mostly void staff and would rather die than use the surge staff

[gilded hatch]

Jump and attack from higher area to shoot. that is kinda specific

you just say

Vet is op

BB is bad

i ask why. no response

[mild lotus]

what's your current lvl sibling?

[worthy wasp]

In a t5 now otherwise is explain

[devout belfry]

You sound like someone talking about Iron Man vs Ant Man or something.

[digital pagoda]

Ok but why does trauma staff on 80 warp resistance fill your peril bar to 100% after 3 explosions

[gilded hatch]

ant man is probably stronger 😄

[mild lotus]

to filter out the agents of the warp

[lucid mortar]

The endless debates in this chat should tell you that you don’t need to care about other people’s opinions on what is best lol

[tired cosmos]

Anyone have acreenshot of talents I should pick as I level?@mild lotus I'm about to hit lvl 11

[shrewd estuary]

Quietude is great no matter the level

[loud violet]

???

[gilded hatch]

what is your playstyle?

prefered weapon

[tired cosmos]

I'm @gilded hatch I'm trying to use the staff

[mild lotus]

then you don't really have much choice yet, if you plan on using staves, I'd chose the 3rd and then the 1st starting from the left

[hoary hamlet]

Vet is Op because he accesses the best melee and ranged weapons with the talents to cancel their drawbacks

[devout belfry]

You don't get much control of that at lvl 11

[hoary hamlet]

and he has double toughness

[mild lotus]

vet's weapons have drawbacks?

[sage yacht]

I searched but didn't see it mentioned, do you use any particular talents for the mk5 axe build?

[hoary hamlet]

reload time

[mild lotus]

pfeh

[shrewd estuary]

barley a drawback xD

[half river]

Tactical reload and the other reload talent

[clear heath]

reloading takes less time than quelling

[shrewd estuary]

^

[tired cosmos]

When do I get the fire staff? Right now I only got access to lightning staff and the first staff I forget name of

[mild lotus]

not like psykers don't have to quell 24/7

[hoary hamlet]

Using Bolter without reload talents makes you a hinderance for too long

[tired cosmos]

I'm lvl 11

[hoary hamlet]

ask zealots

[half river]

You only need to quell to 95% to brain burst again

[hoary hamlet]

not really

[twilit comet]

Firestaff (Purgatus) seems to show up later.... like around 23+ ?

[clear heath]

Ok bolter has real drawbacks
But it also has insane damage to compensate.
Personally i prefer mg12 lasgun tho

[mild lotus]

96% even from my experience

[polar gulch]

it's still random, I had one appear before I ever saw surge

[frigid sparrow]

Family is unlocked at 14

[hoary hamlet]

Well my point was that Vet is Op anyway, so how bad are the Bolter's drawbacks isn't really in discussion

[tired cosmos]

@frigid sparrow what's family?

[twilit comet]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2890127609

[tired cosmos]

Also what melee weapon should I use

[digital chasm]

Bolter isnt as amazing as people think, XII is mostly better

[frigid sparrow]

A thing orphans want. Also, force sword with deflect or mark V axe

[mild lotus]

You'll have to chose between team FSword and team Antrax MKV

[loud violet]

I just want at least 1 staff to show every store rotation as a psyker

All these awful axes and crappy lasguns

😢

[wet gust]

How to talk with short people

[loud violet]

im sad we cant change height sliders

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos There's multiple options, Antrax Mk V, Dueling sword Mk V (some people like II), chainsword, fs are all technically viable.

The axe and dueling sword have very high carry potential.

[tired cosmos]

I dont understand charging force sword and the v? Does it do more damage or last longer if I hold secondary button longer? Or does the v attack only last for one hit or two@mild lotus @frigid sparrow

[loud violet]

I made my zealot min height and compared to my psyker I can find cover most places

[sterile sable]

what blessings do i want on surge? terrify?

[ruby merlin]

Axe is god tier

[mild lotus]

it just a one click enhancement of your next attack that deals a lot more dmg

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos The antax combat axe mk v has super good attack patterns, get brutal momentum on it and it can one shot five mobs at once on damnation.

[bright cipher]

SLAM IT

[frigid sparrow]

The charge attack for force sword is similar to a rev with a chain weapon. Adds to damage for one swing

[mild lotus]

don't use it on small mobs, use it on maulers and ragers

[gray island]

Bet

[frigid sparrow]

Mark V is just insanely powerful by default

[loud violet]

I was like "what's so special about mk v"

[ruby merlin]

But also don't use the force sword charge when you are facing multiple ragers and a horde at the same time.

[loud violet]

then I tried it

its just a better axe

[bright cipher]

honestly crafting what u actually want sounds dope but theres something enjoyable about slamming good item bases like youre playing path of exile

[ruby merlin]

Yep, I've been advocating for a long time for it lol.

[tired cosmos]

@mild lotus so I just hit right click on mouse then v button? Then attack?

[ruby merlin]

Power of having good attack angles

[vagrant fractal]

Same here, it's funny when you can't see past the horde

[mild lotus]

you don't have to right click

just use the special and you next attack will be boosted

[loud violet]

I'm so used to standing in the back zapping things

[hidden leaf]

OMG

[ruby merlin]

If you are using the force sword, you are mostly a cc bot for your team

since the push can stagger ragers etc.

[frigid sparrow]

You click your special button first (the thing that makes your wep blue), then either light attack or heavy attack

[ruby merlin]

If you are using the antax you just solo kill everything

[mild lotus]

why stagger them when you can one shot them

[ruby merlin]

so depends on what you want to do.

[gilded hatch]

Any good veteran that wans to join me and one of the best VM2 players in the world?

[mild lotus]

the FSword can one shot ragers

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus can you one shot them if there's also a horde + multiple crushers behind it?

or multiple ragers

[gilded hatch]

I am noob compared to him. He is playing zealot, we need a vet

[ruby merlin]

happens quite a bit

[mild lotus]

yes

[gilded hatch]

oh wrong chat

[cyan notch]

why are you asking this is psyker

[frigid sparrow]

Heresy

[tired cosmos]

Ok in confused what is right mouse button do then I did tutorial but didn't understand that part. Like how long I hold right click?@mild lotus

[ruby merlin]

Show me gameplay of it on damnation, I want to see. Every vod I've seen uses the axe or dueling sword atm.

[mild lotus]

right click allow to block attacks

[ruby merlin]

Never seen a force sword vod on damnation so far.

[mild lotus]

I can't do it rn cus I don't have my good PC but sure why not

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos Just hold block and dodge with peril block and any non force sword, and you can perma block any boss in the game

[hidden leaf]

just got this staff from the emperor.

[loud violet]

I've seen gun psyker on damnation

lmao

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus Yeah that would be great, I just haven't seen any examples of it in game vods.

[bright cipher]

bad

[ruby merlin]

And when I use it I feel like a CC bot on damnation.

[frigid sparrow]

What difficulty did you finish?

[ruby merlin]

And it's so clunky vs hordes

[gilded hatch]

made a mistake. already posted it on veteran

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin ok so with force sword the right mouse button block?

[mild lotus]

more like the antrax MKV is too strong compared to the rest

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos with any weapon

[loud violet]

Playing psyker honestly doesn't feel amazing on high difficulties

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus I like the dueling swords too

[lost lagoon]

from what ive seen you can use a force sword if you build for high peril in higher dif, you just have to build around it and have some decent perks on the fs

[gilded hatch]

gun psyker is fun. You can quell while you shoot. i prefer the lasgun on them and level 25 talent with the BB. if you combine with levle 20 talent to use peril for blocking, you have a great survivable build

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos basically how you want to play is hold down block whenever you aren't doing anything like attacking

[loud violet]

Question is

[ruby merlin]

default to block

[loud violet]

Can we get a braced rifle as psyker

[zealous garnet]

projectile blocking blessing + perils generation when blocking talent is pretty good combo

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin okay

[ruby merlin]

because we get peril block, and we should use that.

[loud violet]

or is that zealot / veteran only

[zealous garnet]

force sword with unlimited effective dodges is pretty solid

[clear heath]

I use force sword on damnation. It just doesn't really look special or do anything worth showcasing.
I just occasionally get to block bullets

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin is that a talent or the name of the right mouse button move

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos That's a talent at level 20

lets you block with peril, instead of stamina

[loud violet]

Peak psyker endgame gameplay atm: Check the store once an hour waiting for a good staff while leveling other classes.

[ruby merlin]

same button, right click

[gilded hatch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons

[zealous garnet]

psyker can tank daemonhost pretty well with the peril blocking. probably second best besides ogryn

[analog juniper]

you know what? fuck it, only give the Psyker weapons that can cause self damage/explosion. Plasma gun for psyker

[hoary hamlet]

it is, we get accatrans which are arguably just better tho

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos basically that will let you block daemonhosts, plague ogryns etc forever as long as you dodge sometimes, and don't use a force sword

[random wolf]

Here's a Trauma Staff.

[loud violet]

NO PLS

[ruby merlin]

Force sword passive quell is slower than every other melee weapon, so that means you gain less toughness with it as well.

It's a big downside atm.

[gilded hatch]

yeah. Two days ago someone showed me the peril block build as psyker during a live stream in this discord. It is great at blocking damn

[loud violet]

Yeah feels bad

[subtle solstice]

Best class

[ruby merlin]

Yeah psyker is the secret best class atm IMO

mega carry potential if you play well

[subtle solstice]

No secret about it

[ruby merlin]

Eh, most people think it's vet

because vet has highest dps

and is easiest to use

[analog juniper]

it is Vet

[gilded hatch]

yeah, you are right. Still, deflector on force sword is great damn

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin I feel so useless leveling

[hoary hamlet]

it is Vet

objectively speaking

[ruby merlin]

@hoary hamlet for dps 100%

[subtle solstice]

Well it's the hardest class to play but has the most payoff

[clear heath]

I don't really care much about the passive quell anyways. Not trying to permanently block. Just get some breathing room before i kill the enemies

[gilded hatch]

Vet is probably best overall.

[hoary hamlet]

doesn't mean you can't carry on psyk

[worthy wasp]

Dont tell that to all the baddies complaining about it being a "glass cannon with no cannon" lmfao.

Ppl are straight ass at the game

[ruby merlin]

for versatility and eventual true solo damnation, I'm betting on psyker

[loud violet]

I'm gonna have to agree that vet is objectively the 'best' class atm

[analog juniper]

Psyker just has 2 interesting things: Surge staff and peril block

[ruby merlin]

Vet lacks that utility that helps us deal with every situation in the game.

[tired cosmos]

What level can I start difficulty 3 safely, 15?

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos level 3

with the antax mk v

[hidden leaf]

heresy. lvl 3

[subtle solstice]

Welp gonna pull one out of the dark souls play book Git Gud

[tired cosmos]

Jesus

[worthy wasp]

Exactly

[random wolf]

Vet has a 75% ranged toughness reduction skill that can be refreshed as long as the damn thing keeps killing gunners lmao

[loud violet]

I started carrying difficulty 3 on my new char when it got unlocked at level 3

Just gotta go fast

[ruby merlin]

I clutched at level 3 with the antax @tired cosmos, the game is mostly skill based. Just use your dodges, block, then attack etc when safe.

[hoary hamlet]

That is only half true, he gets bolter with fast reload and infinite graneds. That's some versatility

[analog juniper]

You guys might as well start a religion around this Antax MkV axe

[gilded hatch]

Push attack with the combat axe is really good if you use peril block talent. Why? you have enough stamina to push block (nice cleave damage and stagger) and you have a lot of block at the same time with peril. you also refresh fast because you use a non-peril melee sword. Furthermore, peril block also interrupts you less often when y ou revive someone.

[analog juniper]

lol

[tacit fractal]

Thoughts?

[random wolf]

I've stood and traded shots like rambo

Its great.

[ruby merlin]

@hoary hamlet Eh bolter is weaker than the lasgun on damnation IMO

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin what's the antax again?

[ruby merlin]

most important job is to kill those ranged trash

[loud violet]

I did not know this was a thing

[random wolf]

Crap blessings. Great perks.

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos Antax Mk V Combat axe

[subtle solstice]

I know my Psyker makes a difference because if I got down on T5 my team isn't far behind lol

[clear heath]

Yeah i'm sure psyker will be the best for true solo.
Surge is like the safest weapon in the game. You only need to have line of sight with 1 enemy for like 0.1 seconds to stagger 5 of them.

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin oh okay

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos you hold block, then hold left mouse button

[gilded hatch]

first target damage is nice. not a fan of soulblaze on higher tier

[hoary hamlet]

whatever, Vet gets the lasgun too

[ruby merlin]

that's a push attack

and it's very very safe

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin what do u use for ranged

[ruby merlin]

@hoary hamlet Vet has a role that it does very well

[tacit fractal]

Yeah I expected that

[ruby merlin]

But it's a bit tunneled

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin at that lvl

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos anything works at level 3

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin like im lvl 11

[ruby merlin]

I used a laspistol till I got a surge staff. Void staff is good too

[tired cosmos]

I'm not very good

What's safe

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos Master melee first

[worthy wasp]

This man gets it

[gilded hatch]

When you open the inventory and the item slot. press V. Then you get detailed info about the base value of each stat and its interval

[ruby merlin]

melee is key, use ranged for enemy ranged mobs

@tired cosmos also super super important, bind tag to mouse 5 or something

[ruby merlin]

and shift to dodge

@tired cosmos most important to have dodge on shift, then crouch on mouse 4 or something

so you can slide

@tired cosmos when you slide, no ranged can hit you

[gilded hatch]

Force sword has one of the highest base values and intervals. The percent only is based on the intervals

[tired cosmos]

@ruby merlin ok thank you

[ruby merlin]

tagging is super important because you can then alert your team to things that might wipe your team.

[bright cipher]

i just bound tag to m1 lol

[ruby merlin]

@tired cosmos Dodging btw also does the same thing, but doesn't last as long

[bright cipher]

so when i cc shit with surge i also tag it

automatically

[ruby merlin]

@bright cipher It's not as ideal lol, since you want to keep a tag on a sniper sometimes

[bright cipher]

lets people know they need to shoot it

[ruby merlin]

over tagging yet another rager lol

[gilded hatch]

yeah. That is why i use the same hotkey for tag as attack (left click)

[bright cipher]

well yeah obv

[ruby merlin]

I use a separate key because I want to keep the tag on an important target

and not the dreg shotgunner I'm already meleeing to death

[gilded hatch]

If a team with players with shared hotkeys for tag and attack, you spot any special/elite without worries.

[clear heath]

Yeah i do tag on attack as well

[ruby merlin]

On damnation you might still get swamped

[gilded hatch]

that is valid on certain situations. Sharing hotkey is just more convenient. Especially on scenario's you dont expect

[patent steeple]

i just bound tag to q since i have an old mouse with only right and left click buttons and scrollwheel...

[ruby merlin]

like there's some waves where you just have 10 elites all around, and it's important to mark trappers or snipers etc.

[worthy wasp]

thats neat

[ruby merlin]

Besides mouse 5 is super easy for me personally.

[random wolf]

I don't wanna tag a very obvious Crusher or Bulwark when I tagged a Sniper lmao

[gilded hatch]

i have seven buttons on my mouse. use them all

[ruby merlin]

I use mouse 5 tag, mouse 4 crouch, shift dodge, shift sprint

and that's all I need on my mouse really

scroll up is melee, scroll down is ranged

and mid click is the ping system

[vagrant fractal]

Shift dodge sounds like a good idea

[ruby merlin]

yeah it works super well

[gilded hatch]

I understand. I use tagging to spots specials in a mixed horde. Dont need to focus on one, just want to know what is in the horde

[jaunty turret]

I got a purple sword that has a heavy attack 400+ 😄

[ruby merlin]

Because sprint only goes forwards, and dodge cannot go forwards

so it's perfect on shift

(also please don't be a newb and sprint everywhere, if you gotta sprint, keep slide sprinting so you dodge all ranged fire 😛 )

ideally nobody sprints, makes it easier lol

sliding everywhere is a good idea though

you pre-empt any sniper etc

[gilded hatch]

yeah. great tip though

[ruby merlin]

like on damnation that auto reflex to slide everywhere saves you so much

(mostly because ranged trash becomes the biggest threat of all lol)

Avoids those situation where you miss one ranged mob and it removes all your toughness in one sec, if you're sliding they just miss, and you can clear them easily.

[bright cipher]

scab gunners out there in pack of 10 ready to ruin your day

[ruby merlin]

Oh yeah lol

[candid hawk]

Mostly because your vets running a bolter and never shoots ranged lol

[ruby merlin]

@candid hawk Pug damnation life 😄

I love vets who run the lasgun and kill ranged trash

but sometimes that makes it too easy lol

[vagrant fractal]

Gunners have such crazy pushback you can't run anywhere with them

[ruby merlin]

it's fun when you have to scramble to stabilize all the time, and failing is fun IMO.

[bright cipher]

lasguns imo are overall the best weapon in the game

except the meme lasguns

[ruby merlin]

For sure

[bright cipher]

those can go in the trash

[gilded hatch]

that is vet's true super power. Killing ranged trash 😄

In general ranged trash is most dangereous in T5 indeed

[ruby merlin]

Yep, it's good against the most annoying enemy that will wipe your team on damnation, makes it super valuable. Fits the lore I guess 😄

We're pretty good too with surge since we can easily hit them behind cover

[bright cipher]

lasguns are the backbone of the imperium

[ruby merlin]

makes it easy for vet to clear them out.

@bright cipher I main shade in vt2, so I really want a dark eldar wych to play again lol.

[bright cipher]

heretic

[gilded hatch]

lasguns are great, yes. Some have great ammo, great accuracy (weak spots) and high capacity

[ruby merlin]

sanctioned wych please.

[bright cipher]

dark eldar enjoyers are also CBT enjoyers

not empire approved

[ruby merlin]

My psyker is heretical anyway

[worthy wasp]

guys, my best lasgun has only 320 power 😦

[ruby merlin]

she keeps talking about the carrior emperor and how much he sucks.

[bright cipher]

any psyker you pick in darktide is technically heretical since theyre all unsanctioned

[loud violet]

I'm tickled by the amount of heresy that comes from psykers

[ruby merlin]

Because psykers have to be sacrificed to him lol

[gilded hatch]

Which language do you prefer on psyker? I hate when psyker speaks french (mine is german)

[loud violet]

lmao

[sage yacht]

I used the sienna VA for mine

[gilded hatch]

If there was a mode, i could instant leave a game with a french speaking psyker, i would install it 😄

[loud violet]

I'm french psyker

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch I rerolled from French psyker to female loner psyker. I do like the french voice, but the voice lines were too generic for my tastes.

[gilded hatch]

psykers are mental, french too. Too mental for me

[vagrant fractal]

I like when the German one calls out grades

[ruby merlin]

Female loner psykers have awesome lines.

Keeps thinking she is a god, and wants people to worship her on ultimates lol

also all the heresy is nice 😄

[loud violet]

I love the male german psyker voice

[ruby merlin]

I think she likes other psykers and ogryns, that's about it.

[loud violet]

YES BELOVED HE WAS ANGRY

hush hush hush

[sage yacht]

I love the "fear me! Fear me! ....oops"

[ruby merlin]

(I think everyone loves ogryns aside from the zealots)

[vagrant fractal]

I think the French woman and German male are the same personality. The best one

[worthy wasp]

zealots are the worst class in the game tbqh

[loud violet]

Nah the french is uh

[sage yacht]

The irish female zealot VA slaps

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp they gotta really understand positioning, then they can be decent.

Blood for the God Emperor and all that etc

Yeah I do like that voice

Also flamers have their place on damnation.

[worthy wasp]

best comp imo is prob 1 ogryn 1 vet 2 psyker

[ruby merlin]

I mean even split works well too

[vagrant fractal]

I feel like a lot of zealots are degenerates but I'm having fun leveling mine

[ruby merlin]

flamer for horde CC

[loud violet]

That's the one I'm rolling with on my alt

while my psyker is parked at the store

[worthy wasp]

feel like purg or void psyker can do anything a zealot can do but better

[loud violet]

Waiting for a decent void staff

[worthy wasp]

sure its less melee damage, but lol

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp I feel like due to peril block it's safer to use the antax mk v on psyker than my zealot lol

[worthy wasp]

I agree 1000%

hence why I feel psyker just winds up taking over zealot's spot

[ruby merlin]

It does have a nice niche with the flamer, and they can tie up patrols of ranged decently if they charge before they split.

[tacit fractal]

What's the ideal Damnation build for Psyker, weapons and feats

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal Multiple options

Antax Mk V axe is awesome, so are the dueling swords

[tacit fractal]

The most tanking one

[ruby merlin]

Surge is very very good for utility, voidstaff isn't bad, purge staff can work

[worthy wasp]

I run antax mkv + surge staff + 321133

for damnation

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal I would vote antax or dueling swords (dueling swords = less damage, but slightly more mobility).

[tacit fractal]

Ayyy you use 1st 3 aswell

[ruby merlin]

and peril block lets you hard tank bosses, regen toughness on demand with blocks + dodges etc.

[stuck kiln]

Zealot is easily best

[ruby merlin]

toughness on quell is mandatory atm IMO.

The others kinda suck

[tacit fractal]

I like how speedy you can be with dueling sword

[stuck kiln]

And might get nerfed actually

[loud violet]

I've never used it

I had it briefly and I was like

[ruby merlin]

@loud violet I mean it's so strong combined with passive quell.

[loud violet]

"this is too slow"

[ruby merlin]

Because you block with a normal melee

you gain peril

[loud violet]

Oh yeah but since i use

force sword

[ruby merlin]

ahhh yeah

[loud violet]

It's potato

[ruby merlin]

in that case go with something else, because force sword passive quell is lol

[tacit fractal]

Are we all ignoring Veteran having the ability to delete a plague ogryn's health with one mag?

[worthy wasp]

best at being dumbasses.

Legit just grouped with a zealot the other day. I say "group up" and the grown ass man says in voice comms "dude chill, I'm a fucking zealot. I have NINETY SEVEN PERCENT damage resist" then get jumped on by a hound and died

[ruby merlin]

Rofl

also trappers

[loud violet]

This is me on my zealot

I'm usually miles ahead of my team solo'ing the world

Because low level matchmaking is a crapshoot

[ruby merlin]

I think playing with psykers (even as a non psyker) always feels good.

[stuck kiln]

This is me too lol

[ruby merlin]

Playing with most zealots feels super bad

[violet pollen]

Lmao

[loud violet]

GOTTA GO FAST

FACE FIRST INTO EVERYTHIN

[subtle solstice]

Why?

[loud violet]

KEEP UP PSYKER

[worthy wasp]

wtf do zealots do?

[hidden leaf]

damn, i`m in the meatgrinder, i just cant find a way to do dmg

[worthy wasp]

legit, answer that

[ruby merlin]

@subtle solstice they charge everything, sprint everywhere, burns stamina then get caught and you have to save them.

[tacit fractal]

Zealots are always the lot who are either far away in the back or far away in the front

[worthy wasp]

kill hordes? everyone can fkn kill hordes

zealots attract the degenerates of the community and are totally ass as a class

[ruby merlin]

Gapclose ranged patrols before they are alerted XD

only decent thing they do.

[loud violet]

Weird take

[ruby merlin]

(a good zealot player from vt2 can do well, don't get me wrong).

[stuck kiln]

If a zealot uses knife bleed builds, usually he goes on a power trip, as it has highest damage 90% damage reduction and highest mobility. Only to be brought down by a dog

[subtle solstice]

As a Psyker main I hate carrying my team and the few times I blow myself up it's usually to save their asses cause they are trash

[left magnet]

Zealots ideally are the flankers/mobile class that supports where theyre needed

[hidden leaf]

head popping is meh. i guess the benefit is that it can happen from far.
staffs do ok dmg, not very much. Ogryns do more dmg

[subtle solstice]

I like a team that works with me

[tacit fractal]

I've not seen that

[left magnet]

Youre playing with bad zealots idk ddue

[loud violet]

I would love for us to just get better perks and lose headpopping

[ruby merlin]

@hidden leaf psykers have good horde clear, good cc, good long ranged damage, good armor damage. We're not the best in any role, but we are good at all of them.

That's why I like it

[worthy wasp]

bruh, check this out: 4 people that stick together

[loud violet]

I only use headpop when I got the cast speed buff up

[worthy wasp]

op

so strong

[left magnet]

Psykers are killer cc artists with the staff

[worthy wasp]

secret technique: sticking together

dont tell

[left magnet]

the power of friendship??

[worthy wasp]

top secret elite gamer strat

[subtle solstice]

I'm fine playing with anyone as long as we stick together

[ruby merlin]

@tacit fractal you only find good zealots in discord groups generally lol

[loud violet]

Sticking together makes the game so much easier

it's almost like every class has a perk that benefits everyone from

staying together

[subtle solstice]

I usually find the person who is the most tanky and stay right with them

[hidden leaf]

thanks

[subtle solstice]

The CC shit with my staff

[loud violet]

Yeah as a psyker

[worthy wasp]

what is a bad psyker gonna do? blow himself up hiding behind an ogryn? Thats easy to carry.

Zealots tho, my god when they are ass they are REALLY ass

[stuck kiln]

Thing is with zealot a lot of times his job is not to stick. He needs to run around disabling the the ranged mobs and elitea

[loud violet]

I hug my ogryn

[ruby merlin]

the psyker is the most tanky with peril block sometimes 😄

But yes I like following ogryns because it's easy to spot them

[subtle solstice]

Hug that Ogryn

[stuck kiln]

Which makes it a pain for the team if he gets caught by dog or trap

[worthy wasp]

and there is no ass like a dumbass

[ruby merlin]

Like VT2 had the green outline for everywhere

everyone*

[tacit fractal]

Fair, my friend's a zealot and I still have to give him commands because he has a bad habit of being stagnant when there's a horde instead of moving and killing

[loud violet]

This is what I run

[worthy wasp]

the prob is ppl go out of their way to save/revive the tardlord

[ruby merlin]

@loud violet Passive quell + toughness on quell is too strong for me not to run atm 😛

and peril block is just awesome for clutching

[worthy wasp]

and then the tardlord be like "bruh hurry up and revive me, I'm carrying all of you clearly with my 97% damage resist and l33t melee skillz"

[tacit fractal]

Is Kinetic Deflection actually good?

[analog juniper]

I feel like toughness on quell is worse than the toughness on warp kill

[ruby merlin]

Honestly I'd be fine if the zealot is pushing limits, and says "Mb" when they die.

[subtle solstice]

I run toughness on charge because I generate tons of charge

[analog juniper]

the only other good Psyker ability

[loud violet]

If you play on a difficulty that requires it

[ruby merlin]

@analog juniper Try blocking with peril block and not a force sword, infinite toughness on demand if needed.

[loud violet]

otherwise it's a wasted talent

[ruby merlin]

That's why it's good

[worthy wasp]

mb, going in hard on zealots

its odd

[stuck kiln]

You seem to have had a bad team mate

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp My problem is the ego they have lol when they're basically a burden.

[hazy pendant]

I love how quelling peril with the brain burst out just has your psyker looking at their trembling hands in horror, alight with warp energy

[gilded hatch]

does warp absorption (level 5 talent) stack?

[ruby merlin]

which one is that again?

warp kill?

or bb thing

[loud violet]

this is tier 1

idk what he's referring to

[ruby merlin]

With a void staff into a horde you should get a ton of toughness from it I think.

[loud violet]

Tier 5 is

[ruby merlin]

the problem with that for me is during harder encounters with bosses + elites everywhere.

[worthy wasp]

Its weird because Zealots have the opposite issue that Psykers have because Zealots have arguably the best class talent tree in the game in terms of synergy and strength overall but their foundation isn't strong... whereas Psykers got doodoo talent tree with a couple gems but have an uber strong foundation which means any future class they get will likely be absurdly strong

[ruby merlin]

I'd rather have the passive quell giving me toughness on demand whenever, rather than killing.

[stuck kiln]

BTW it should be 75% damage reduction, I dont think the coherency feat stacks

[loud violet]

I just run warp battery because kinetic overload is ass and kinetic flayer feels bad for everything but bosses

[worthy wasp]

idc, its not 100% and them noobs act like it is when they run off and die

[loud violet]

There's bad players regardless of class

[subtle solstice]

I like the Psyker skill tree

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp I'd rather have a great foundation for a house + a shitty building for now, than a mansion on shitty foundations personally 😄

[wet gust]

What is that passive quell?

[ruby merlin]

@wet gust Get your peril to 100%, switch to any melee weapon that isn't the force sword. Watch it drop like a stone to zero %.

[worthy wasp]

give me the best zealot player in the world and the most average psyker surge staff user in the world... I'll take the psyker 11/10 times

[ruby merlin]

it's really nice

[loud violet]

'passive quell' is quietude combined with a non-warp weapon which makes peril go down super fast

while you can still attack

[ruby merlin]

it's very very valuable because you can get it without killing

[subtle solstice]

That's why no one runs the Force Sword?

[ruby merlin]

which is important in clutch moments.

[wet gust]

aaaah that is why people run Duelling instead of Force?

[loud violet]

Yes

[ruby merlin]

@subtle solstice Pretty much, force sword passive quell sucks ass

[gilded hatch]

oh sorry, i meant 😛

[ruby merlin]

antax mk v is a good weapon too

[worthy wasp]

signif part of it, the other part is that force sword slaps like wet noodle compared to other psyker melees

[subtle solstice]

Welp goodbye force sword

[ruby merlin]

but yes, dueling swords, antax mk v axe, chainswords, even the catachan sword, they all work to some degree.

[gilded hatch]

does essence harvest stack?

[loud violet]

I believe so

[gilded hatch]

or is the cooldown refreshed when i get another warp in the 5 seconds

[loud violet]

It's what I've been running

[ruby merlin]

@subtle solstice don't take my word for it either, test it in the psykanium if you like. Force sword passive from 100% to 0%, then any other weapon from 100% to 0%

it's a huge difference lol

[loud violet]

It might just be refreshing it

[ruby merlin]

Think it's x3

[bright cipher]

wait does this work with passive quell?

[worthy wasp]

force sword needs to build peril to kill elites efficiently, and the attack itself is not safe.

or

[loud violet]

Yes, seemingly

[subtle solstice]

So you just get peril to 100 and swap weapons

[gilded hatch]

yeah. i use the combat axe for the fast passive quelling. combined with peril block talent, its great

[worthy wasp]

you can swap to antax and dunk on everything w. fast passive quelling

[wet gust]

What if you get a Warp Charge with that 4% Chance talent? Do you get a 30% Toughness?

[subtle solstice]

What if you are in the animation

[ruby merlin]

@subtle solstice Yep, do like 3 brain bursts in the psykanium for instance.

[bright cipher]

lmao i was already using quietitude and i didnt even know about that

[ruby merlin]

Then swap to melee

[bold flint]

im leveling my psyker and i had no idea you could stop yourself from blowing up with the class ability until today

[ruby merlin]

Nice XD

[gilded hatch]

for every warp charge you get from the 4 percent

[bold flint]

tbf im only like level 11

[subtle solstice]

Does it work if you are already in the 100% animation

[red marsh]

yes

[ruby merlin]

@subtle solstice you don't die if you bb at 90%

you can bb at up to 96%

[wet gust]

I'm new with Psyker too. When I discovered that I was like DAMN I'm a genius

[subtle solstice]

I gotcha

[ruby merlin]

it won't work if you are in animation, only ultimate will save you then.

[subtle solstice]

I usually save my ult just in case

Since staff does god tier CC anyway

[ruby merlin]

ulti on damnation is mostly used to either cc poxbursters in the middle of a horde, rapid bb some ogryn, or reduce peril when you are perma blocking.

That's how I use it anyway

[left magnet]

same minus the poxburster cc for me

[ruby merlin]

the ccing poxbursters in the middle of a horde can sometimes save a run, which is nice

[left magnet]

I use surge lightning for that

[subtle solstice]

What is this peril block build people are talking about

[left magnet]

bit more range

[ruby merlin]

fair enough

@subtle solstice It's just two ablities. Level 20, block with peril

[wet gust]

Who are those? Those who explode?

[ruby merlin]

and level 5, when you quell, you gain toughness

@wet gust Yep

Hit them mid jump with a push, dodge backwards twice, they die for free

nobody gets hurt

on damnation they have quite a bit of hp

so it's the best way to kill them

[wet gust]

I don't know why, but sometimes with this Duelling Sword I couldn't push them while they are in the air

[ruby merlin]

(they can survive one BB on damnation for instance)

@wet gust Probably out of stamina

low stamina push = less push power

[wet gust]

I've push because I saw the animation, but nothing happened

[ruby merlin]

that's why our ulti is good

dueling sword doesn't have a lot of stamina by default

axe has more

also timing issues probably, plus ping etc.

like at the start of their jump is the best time to push

but it can be hard to time at first.

[wet gust]

STA Curios are worth?

[ruby merlin]

the ulti push is just very safe in case you're uncertain and you gotta make the push happen or you wipe.

[subtle solstice]

Wrack and ruin any good?

[leaden needle]

https://i.imgur.com/e2Htbmj.jpeg this is decent dueling sword or trash? looking to swap off force sword

[ruby merlin]

@wet gust I personally like them. Stamina curios + block cost reduction are both very strong IMO.

[subtle solstice]

Haven't tested it yet

[ruby merlin]

@leaden needle I mostly see people using the MK V dueling sword for the superior attack angles

[ruby merlin]

It's very good at headshotting

which is where the damage comes from

[leaden needle]

oh right theeres differnet types thanks

[undone quiver]

what counts as "quelling", out of curiosity? Does slow decrease over time count?

[gilded hatch]

is there block reduction in this game? perhaps i am stupid

[wet gust]

Show us your weapons @ruby merlin ^^

[ruby merlin]

@undone quiver Yep, it all counts

[worthy wasp]

Mk5 dueling sword is p beastly, jeez

[ruby merlin]

@wet gust Not in game atm, but it's nothing special. Just a antax mk v axe with brutal momentum 😛

Not even high rating

[worthy wasp]

Hella dodge range and nice headshots

[ruby merlin]

and my surge staff is some random staff lol

[worthy wasp]

Wtf is the horde clear tho

[ruby merlin]

you don't need good gear to beat damnation atm 😛

I hope they release a harder difficulty

like cata 3+ from vermintide

[wet gust]

😄

[lethal plover]

Welp, the ult often fails to push pox bursters

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp yeah horde clear isn't super great, but it can kinda do some cleave at least XD

@lethal plover Are they in mid jump?

That's when I use it, it always works for me.

[gilded hatch]

great voidstaff if you melee is not the force sword (your quell speed is limited but does not bother if your staff is only peril consuming)

[ruby merlin]

If they are standing on the ground it doesn't work as well

[subtle solstice]

Use a Surge staff lol

[gilded hatch]

especially the blast radius is really important to hit multiple enemies

[gray island]

my melee is force sword FeelsBad

[ruby merlin]

Yeah surge staff is easy as long as it hits the poxburster (if it isn't stuck in a giant horde).

[worthy wasp]

Feel like itd pair well with a staff that has good horde clear like Void

[gilded hatch]

oh no, just combine it 🙂 You just risk to get overheated more often. Perhaps you can use the level 10 talent to get more peril resistance. could help too

[worthy wasp]

Void + Dueling Sword vs Surge + Antax fe

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp Yeah I think dueling sword + voidstaff makes sense too. Or just rely on teammates for horde clear. I assume anyone pugging damnation can clear hordes lol.

[undone quiver]

What does peril resistance do?

[ruby merlin]

I don't like it, I want to build more peril, so I get more toughness.

But basically it slows down peril gain

[red marsh]

instead of 2% peril yo gen like 1.5%

[gilded hatch]

You consume less peril per warp attack

[undone quiver]

Oh. That seems nice

[ruby merlin]

@undone quiver depends on your build

[gilded hatch]

If you spam warp attacks, yes

[ruby merlin]

For me I want more peril, which transforms into more toughness = tanky psyker.

[subtle solstice]

I like the surge personally I produce a lot of charges naturally and increasing the damage and what it doesn't kill it stunlocks the shit out of

[undone quiver]

How do you do that? Which feat?

[ruby merlin]

on damnation there's a lot of times where you are just 1 sec slow with the toughness and you eat chip damage.

@undone quiver Level 5 feat, quelling gives toughness.

[undone quiver]

Alright, that's what I figured

[ruby merlin]

and then just don't run a force sword, and if you have peril, passive quell gives you toughness.

[undone quiver]

Do you intentionally quell or just let it go naturally

[ruby merlin]

Both can work. Staff = intentional quelling if I want to spam more CC

[wet gust]

@ruby merlinDuelling Mk4 or Mk5?

[ruby merlin]

melee = passive quell to gain toughness while I kill a horde.

@wet gust I like mk5 dueling more

kills mutants more reliably etc.

[subtle solstice]

I'm going to have to science the shit outta this

When I get home

[ruby merlin]

@undone quiver get the perk where you can block with peril at level 20

[subtle solstice]

At 3 lol

[ruby merlin]

and that level 5 perk becomes godlike

massive clutch potential on damnation since we can regen toughness while permablocking

which is kinda huge for situations where you are being overrun.

[velvet trail]

mk5 has the higher damage strong attack but I feel like mk4's weak attack has way better angles

[gilded hatch]

great combo indeed. Peril block, quel with non-peril weapon (combat axe or dueling)

[ruby merlin]

(dodge etc to get a sec of not being hit, passive quell takes down peril, you have infinite blocking potential combined with peril, which also gives toughness).

your only real threat will be the ranged trash, so do line of sight them

clear the melee out etc.

then kill the ranged with your staff, or more melee if they run up to you.

bb the snipers if you need to

[cerulean cave]

duelling sword is nice, but the combat axe's vertical, essentially guaranteed weakspot-hit on a heavy is clutch for single target dmg as well and I've yet to find a better melee weapon than the axe, to deal with hordes. The shove-attack followup is just too good and if you get into dragging your slice, you can get to almost 360 degree hits.

[worthy wasp]

Heres the funny thing

[gilded hatch]

which dueling sword is best for peril block talent? And what are the differences between duel?

[worthy wasp]

Your ranged options if running surge dont require los

[ruby merlin]

@gilded hatch I'm not super experienced on the swords because I mostly use the axe, but I think the mk v is the best sword due to the attack angle.

[undone quiver]

Which axe?

[ruby merlin]

I use the antax Mk V axe

[cerulean cave]

lemme get ingame rq

[ruby merlin]

it's top tier

antax mk v combat axe

[cerulean cave]

pretty sure thats the one I mean

[ruby merlin]

get brutal momentum if you can on it

one hit kills 5 enemies on damnation.

and push attacks are great in a tight spot.

overrun with 4 ragers? push attack, peril block etc.

[languid reef]

Whats a good team up class for a psyker? Have a duo friend.

[ruby merlin]

they will all die to you in melee.

@languid reef We go well with everyone if they play well too

[cerulean cave]

never tried running the peril block, ngl

[cerulean cave]

anyone but vets

[ruby merlin]

It's top tier, makes us the best class in the game for clutching IMO @cerulean cave

@cerulean cave We go well with vets if we run the surge staff.

[cerulean cave]

not if they fail to headshot stunlocked targets

[ruby merlin]

We cc all the threats, vet nukes them with lasgun (ranged trash are the top threat on damnation for instance, surge hits through cover).

[cerulean cave]

I'm biased, I have developed severe vet-phobia

[subtle solstice]

Surge staff goes great with all

[ruby merlin]

And of course we can also perma stun crushers etc.

@cerulean cave Basically we just do different things with a vet in the group IMO

[cerulean cave]

I'd take a second psyker over a Vet any day

[ruby merlin]

no vet, we bb a bit more.

[languid reef]

even if the vet is a duo partner in voice?

[ruby merlin]

@languid reef Comms will make you guys op anyway.

[random wolf]

What if I screenshot my perks and weapon loadout

[wet gust]

People say that Mk 2 is bad

[ruby merlin]

Just play together, learn the melee system 🙂

[cerulean cave]

better, but I've seen too many vets that have 0 aim and refuse to use melee

[ruby merlin]

@wet gust I believe they say that because the mk 2 stabs a lot

and stabs are harder to land.

[subtle solstice]

I would take someone watching the back while I am running CC and keeping their butts from getting ganked but we can't always get what we want lol

[cerulean cave]

doesnt matter how good your coms are, if you can't aim on a shooter-centered class

[languid reef]

Thats a good point, I have 0 aim!

[solid lake]

I think all my best runs have been psyker Ogryn Zealot Zealot

[velvet trail]

Nah, mk2 has the weakest strong attack by a long shot

[ruby merlin]

@languid reef Oh yes, most important thing is to learn melee, ranged is for enemy specials or enemy ranged trash mobs.

[velvet trail]

for whatever reason they gave it half the damage of the mk5

[ruby merlin]

If a vet shoots into a horde, they are doing it wrong unless it's some desperate clutch attempt.

[subtle solstice]

I have found Zealot is good at keeping mobs off my back if I am running CC

[velvet trail]

Mk4 has the double stab strong, but it is actually still pretty powerful

[cerulean cave]

current loadout

[ruby merlin]

backline peeling zealots are the best zealots.

@cerulean cave Nice, brutal momentum on the axe?

[languid reef]

Thats sounds like something he would appreciate.

[ruby merlin]

I think the best would be brutal momentum + decimator (the one that gives tons of power per hit, and stacks).

@languid reef But any class works, backline ogryns are great too.

[cerulean cave]

not ideal, I know

[ruby merlin]

Or a vet that can kill ranged trash fast.

[cerulean cave]

but Im waiting for the crafting system

[ruby merlin]

@languid reef If you want to clear damnation as a duo

vet with lasgun, focused on killing ranged trash

[cerulean cave]

I want the rampage on my axe, ngl

[bright cipher]

ngl the biggest pieces of shit on damnation are bombers when your team is preoccupied with 3 other threats

[subtle solstice]

So let me ask this if the team is reliant on my CC to stay afloat does that mean they are trash?

[cerulean cave]

if that's going to be possible

[bright cipher]

fuckers will deny you a whole fucking room

who gave them mollies

and then they run off giggling like little girls

[lethal plover]

You need vets who can take out crushers and ranged trash. You can do it, but ideally you want help.

[ruby merlin]

@subtle solstice They are being carried by you, yes 😛

Yeah ranged trash + bombers = hell mode

[bright cipher]

that means youre doing your job

[random wolf]

People need to make up their minds on who should carry the bolter lmao

[ruby merlin]

can't see shit

[random wolf]

Its either the vet or the Zealot

[cerulean cave]

surge staff can do that too, in most cases. Only in specific maps you will struggle cause of range and then you can just brainburst

[random wolf]

And someone has to keep the gunners off the team.

[bright cipher]

a zealot with a bolter is a zealot without a flamer

[ruby merlin]

@random wolf we don't need bolter vets, I'd take a lasgun vet every day of the week.

[leaden needle]

would you guys still not bring force sword even on assasination missions?

[random wolf]

What Cetea said

[leaden needle]

even tho it 1 shots the end boss

[cerulean cave]

nope

[languid reef]

wasnt the flamer amazing on zealot?

[bright cipher]

bruh what difficulty

[lucid mortar]

The game doesn’t put enough emphasis on teams collaborating on their loadouts in pubs

[lethal plover]

Or both.

[leaden needle]

all difficulties

[random wolf]

It is. Its just a reply to them saying specifically vet needing to help with Crushers or Bulwarks

[cerulean cave]

Not really. Stick to a better horde-dealing melee, focus with brainburst on the boss, keep your stacks up

[bright cipher]

im sorry but how do u 1 shot the captain boss with 1 attack from a force sword?

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover true, x2 vet, x2 psyker would work pretty well. Or replace one psyker with an ogryn for more horde cc.

[cyan notch]

im sure he doesnt mean 1 shot it just chunks

[leaden needle]

ah so u just bb instead ok

[random wolf]

Have 4 Psykers use Force Sword special at the same time when the shield is down? Lolol

[leaden needle]

yeah i just mean chunk

[ruby merlin]

I just axe the boss

high dps anyway

[dusky smelt]

honestly just do 3 vet 1 zealot

[leaden needle]

if you have alot of chainswords or forceswords you can melt them

[bright cipher]

well i mean theres a pretty large difference between one shot and "doing a lot of dmg"

[modest magnet]

Yeah force sword charged heavy chunks bosses all the way up to damnation

[ruby merlin]

axe does 1k dps on a mutant for instance, and that's without decimator.

[subtle solstice]

That is true lol sometimes I feel like I'm the only one doing my job. Zealots and Ogryns like to run ahead like Leroy Jenkins

[random wolf]

2 Psykers with Force Swords will melt the Captain before the beat drops lmao

[dusky smelt]

powersword is overtuned

[ruby merlin]

I don't use the forcesword, I think it's bad compared to other options personally.

[cerulean cave]

I've seen a daemonhost on Malice get shredded in about 6-7 seconds (not 5, cause the penance didnt trigger) with two vets using bolters

[left magnet]

can you explain on that

[ruby merlin]

Lack of passive quell sucks

[cerulean cave]

so that works too

[modest magnet]

Force sword heavy + charged zealot hammer heavy does almost half th boss health on heresy

[subtle solstice]

What he said

[lethal plover]

Power sword got nothing on peril axe

[ruby merlin]

@cerulean cave Malice is whatever though, everything there melts 😛

@lethal plover power sword has higher dps, that's about it 😛

[cerulean cave]

you say that, yet some of the people that play malice...

.>

[subtle solstice]

Well you can go back to Malice to awe the noobs at your face cracking power

[ruby merlin]

I mean you can't lose on malice if you can dodge and block, don't need feats at all.

[modest magnet]

My force sword quells 4.5 on weakspot hit so I place it above axe for flexibility

[cerulean cave]

totally agreed

but I'm saying there's people running on heresy that have no idea how to melee

so

[brave vale]

fuck i accidentally played the entire. night again

[cerulean cave]

Ive literally had a Vet that shoved a horde with his bolter, to die, before switching to melee

[brave vale]

its 9 am

[ruby merlin]

@modest magnet Axe is infinitely more flexible. Can clear hordes, destroy elites, defend in a clutch situation, perma block a boss etc.

@cerulean cave yeah it's basically those people who didn't learn the game till heresy lol.

[red marsh]

as long as itts not an overhead overhead axe

[ruby merlin]

You can't clutch easily if you are the last one alive and you have a force sword. You can do so with the axe or dueling sword.

[cerulean cave]

I just get confused, cause it really doesn't take much to understand melee, so I'm like

[formal osprey]

Dueling sword 4 vs 5 please discuss.

[cerulean cave]

"What the f* did you to for 30 levels?"

[ruby merlin]

@formal osprey Not an expert, but 5 has better attack patterns IMO.

easier headshots on mutants is nice.

[brave vale]

i have the mk5 dueling sword, how do. you use it? Block attack?

[velvet trail]

4 has better light attacks, 5 has the stronger heavy attack

[lethal plover]

Hold block to W
Riveting gameplay

[ruby merlin]

@brave vale heavy vs mutants and dogs, dodge is super strong

[formal osprey]

Ive got a godroll 4, but ive got a godroll 5 without defense stat. Which is a dump anyway

[ruby merlin]

dodge + normal light attack vs hordes.

[brave vale]

does. he thrust special ever used?

[ruby merlin]

@brave vale never 😛

[velvet trail]

5 honestly has a pretty bad attack pattern for its light imo

[ruby merlin]

you pick it over the axe for the longer dodge basically.

[velvet trail]

two bottom to top diagonal slices hits absolutely nothing good

[ruby merlin]

@formal osprey try both, see which you like more basically

[velvet trail]

and then the last vertical is okay, but worse than the mk4's diagonals for cleaving

[formal osprey]

I just cant look away from those 80s...

[ruby merlin]

Practice hitting those headshots on elites etc.

Best thing about the dueling sword over the axe IMO is the fashion lol

and it can kinda fill the same role, so it isn't terrible 😛

[formal osprey]

Heres the other thing, the 4 gives 8% dodge distance and the 5 gives 15%

I think thats playing into my dilema alot

[modest magnet]

I feel that, I have a heavy cata vt2 background (read: I can dance like a motherfucker) so I am slightly jaded when it comes to talking hit evasion because like, I very rarely take more than one hit from trash mobs in a single engagement

[ruby merlin]

yeah the dodge is mainly why you pick the sword over the axe

[analog juniper]

the duelling swords are for the 2km dodge range

and fast auto quell

[ruby merlin]

@modest magnet Well fair enough, if you can do cata+ difficulties in vt2 then darktide melee is super forgiving with the whole toughness system anyway haha.

[modest magnet]

People out here keeping dodge bound to spacebar and that's the whole problem

[ruby merlin]

It's like "wait, I can eat a melee hit without being punished? Lol what is this easy mode".

[formal osprey]

I just dont understand why the put defense on the 5

[ruby merlin]

Yeah I bind it to shift, same as vt2

[formal osprey]

its a dump stat complete

It overlaps and caps with mobility

[modest magnet]

I have a split spacebar keeb so I just put that shit on my other spacebar and dance the night away

[ruby merlin]

For me I still dodge into a box occasionally lol.

[velvet trail]

It kind of is, but the swings of 5 compared to 2 and 4 just dont have cleave angles

which is why i assume they took it off

[modest magnet]

Oh same but that just comes down to map knowledge, game is still new so it will happen lol

I give shit the tarkov approach where in a fuckup is only a fuckup if you don't learn from your fuckup

[worthy wasp]

Ye after testing mk2 / 4 / 5

Mk5 is def the best dueling sword

[velvet trail]

What makes you prefer that one? I absolutely hate 5's light attack angles

[untold kestrel]

so far so good. just need morre materials

[devout belfry]

I might wait to upgrade the better base stats. I think tier upgrading might raise stats when they add crafting given the UI.

[untold kestrel]

if you look at the icons for the other crafting choices

[sour bison]

is it good?

[untold kestrel]

one has diamonds just like perks

other 2 look like blessings

im pretty confident modifier stats cant be changed

[bright cipher]

they confirmed this if i remember right

everything can be changed

EXCEPT

the rolled base stats

[modest magnet]

If crafting is anything like vt2 both perks and blessing will be able to be changed

I've been holding onto high power staffs and swords with good stats and shit perks for that reason

[bright cipher]

its gonna be less rng from what i understand

with enough materials you can eventually get the thing u want

and not in a vt2 gambling way of doing it

[modest magnet]

Just need a big ol stack of crafting dust 😉 and rnJesus to be in a good mood

I always had hella dust so I never minded the vt2 system

[sage yacht]

Alright, finally tried the mk5 axe, this thing is STUPID easy

[modest magnet]

I'm praying for a different mk force sword someday that has like atleast one horizontal in it's light chain

I can wham overheads on single targets all day but shit a single horizontal would be nice

[echo parrot]

I got my hands on a 370 one yesterday but I got too used the knife mobility.

Its hard for me to use anything else atm

[gray kelp]

to be fair 1st light for fs is more of an acute angle diagonal slice

[bright cipher]

ur a cute angel

[modest magnet]

True it's still very much single targets tho, with a big drag you can make it multi hit but it's not super easy to pull off

[bright cipher]

FS has pretty decent range actually with its length

u can headshot chaff outside of their melee range

[modest magnet]

^

[bright cipher]

just a fun fact about the sword

[gray kelp]

also this seems strong, might upgrade it

[modest magnet]

I can 1v1 bulwarks on heresy+ with fs all day zero issue

[dusky smelt]

i mean 1v1 is never the isuue

[bright cipher]

lmao

true

[dusky smelt]

its those waves with like 4 crushers 6 ragers 2 trapers 2 bulwarks

and its all in a corridor

[violet pollen]

Hate when that happens

[modest magnet]

Words hard 1v1 isn't quite what I meant

[gray kelp]

I think it depends on how much experience you have with previous 'tide games. I have a lot of experience in v2 and darktide isn't too different so it was easy for me to adapt to dodge dancing, sliding and such. Force sword feels good enough for that role, and has a lot of good qualities on top of being just ok for horde management

[modest magnet]

Like more it's not an issue to single it out and blast it down mid horde

[gray kelp]

e.g. unlimited dodge count, very high anti-elite burst, being able to knock crushers on their ass, deflector perk and so forth

[subtle solstice]

I went to vet chat and put Psyker > vet 😹

[heavy prawn]

Psyker bad vet good, good day

[magic hull]

dagger is actually underated

[modest magnet]

Yep the force sword is a very movement dependent weapon, if you can't dance it's gonna feel a bit weaker than the other options but for me personally it feels high engagement and very rewarding

[gray kelp]

I feel like dueling sword is basically just dagger but better though

[magic hull]

i guess so, dagger has the cool in it

[devout belfry]

I like the dagger. Makes me feel edgy.

[magic hull]

assassin vibe :))

[devout belfry]

The animations on it are awesome.

[echo parrot]

Pox hound howl
Pox hound howl
Pox hound howl
"Oh-ho-ho im gunna capture!" unintelligible noises.

[gray kelp]

notably dueling sword has very low base stamina but it kinda doesnt matter as you always pick kinetic deflection, and non-fs has faster passive quelling so it's a non-issue

[cyan echo]

I feel like I've evolved dog-level hearing for all the sound cues for specials

[echo parrot]

Same

[modest magnet]

You can also get moving pretty fast with the force sword if you sprint into jump slide followed up by running fs heavy, repeat. The running overhead heavy gives you a decent move speed buff for the move duration BUT you do look like a crackhead running down a hallway doing this

[cyan echo]

That little click when a flamer spawns

[sleek herald]

A gift from our Beneficent Emperor

[small egret]

Except for when the sound bugs out and you can't hear the sniper charging up his shot while you're busy fighting a horde

[echo parrot]

How to invoke fight or flight with one simple sound.

tick tick

[gray kelp]

mk 4 dueling sword slide heavy spam is much more crackhead

[cyan echo]

sometimes the snipers laser sights dont show either, feels great

[bright cipher]

mid

2 dead weight perks

1 useless blessing

[modest magnet]

I am admittedly not versed in the dueling sword

[tranquil badge]

Does psyker have to do the pick and mix penance on level five difficulty? It says four but i play fours and i have 0 progress on it

[gray kelp]

shame that the perks are like completely useless on that staff lol

[sleek herald]

mid for you, close range battle psyker for me

[bright cipher]

you cant hipfire surge lightning

[gray kelp]

I havent tested it but heard terrifying barrage is good for surge though

[echo parrot]

I managed to do it on 3, also there is no "progress" you can make on it. You have to do all of them in the same timeframe.

[bright cipher]

sprint doesnt matter to psykers with peril blocking

[tranquil badge]

You can do it on three? Holy shit thank you

[bright cipher]

its good for sure but not crazy amazing

[tranquil badge]

Always get stuck trying to find the fifth elite

[echo parrot]

Surprised me as well, I got it entirely by accident during a random 3 run.

[gray kelp]

figured since its on kill and you take 3 actual years to kill a single unarmored enemy on heresy+ with surge

[tranquil badge]

Thank you so much

[echo parrot]

I am currently stuck on Out with a Bang myself, I only have a total of 2 penances left and that is the only annoying one.

[modest magnet]

Just gotta get lucky with the dreg gunners/shotgunners spawning clumped up

[bright cipher]

keep spamming the mission with the big bridge at the start

[modest magnet]

I got it mostly on accident with a good shotgunner spawn

[sleek herald]

still not bad for a freaking free staff

[bright cipher]

long lines of sight let u instantly check for a group of elites

[tranquil badge]

That’s detonate three elites when you explode right? I got that by doing a four and waiting for three ragers to rush, luckily one of my friends is an ogryn and rag dolled them while i did the animation to detonate

[teal cargo]

What you do for Dueling swords vs Crushers 🤔

[untold kestrel]

dodge

[modest magnet]

Dodge out of range and pop a BB

Tbh

[echo parrot]

Must be nice having friends

[tranquil fiber]

Would we say Surge and Void Staff our best weapons?
Then Purge then Trauma?

[echo parrot]

I joke

[tranquil badge]

I’ll give that a shot when I’m off work thank you

[sleek herald]

btw, I just tested, you CAN use surge smite while sprinting

[wet gust]

I tryed a game with the flamer staff and it is kind of fun, but I think it is a bit useless, right?

[bright cipher]

i guess hipfire doesnt mean what it means lol

[tranquil badge]

That one is obnoxious though, one of my friends is a psyker player as well and he’s been trying since open beta to get that one and I’ve watched him kill only two elites more times than i can count

[bright cipher]

the thing is sprinting and shooting is kind of whatever because on heresy+ youre slide dodging everywhere anyways

[dusky lantern]

purg or surge staff on T5?

[tender cipher]

You know what would be a fucking gift? Not waiting at the shop every hour.

[sleek herald]

you can do sprint and slidfe while smiting though

[echo parrot]

Surge

All the way

Become the Senate

[lean moth]

yay or nay? i assume nay cuz of the low burn?

[compact mist]

Hello. just creating a psyker. What is the best voicelines/background?

[random wolf]

Nay. Burn is the main source of damage

[analog juniper]

the German sounding dude is the funniest imo

Dreamer I think he is called

[worthy wasp]

I'd ask some other time. I know some players here use the purg staff a lot that could give a great opinion that arent around atm

[analog juniper]

You need both high dmg and high burn to do work

[lean moth]

if only i could hold it, ill be sleeping soon and itll change by the time im back up

[subtle solstice]

I am stirring up so much shit in the other chats and blaming it on the other classes lol

I am starting a downright war

[compact mist]

This one i would like to avoid, sounds too much like enemies imo

[subtle solstice]

In Zealots chat I'm a Vet

In Ogryn Chat I'm a Zealot

[magic hull]

wtf not sure what to feel about this

[analog juniper]

more like this or better

[subtle solstice]

Here I'm just a Psyker lok

[magic hull]

Dagger is good? Like i feel it does more damage if you heavy attack?

[analog juniper]

this one is better

[analog juniper]

knife is godlike

[magic hull]

ikr?? heavy attack is crazy if you hit the head

[analog juniper]

the normal attacks are so fast and you can triple headshot hordes

plus the push is actually good

[lean moth]

if only the emperor could bless me so, i wanna try running purg more for the fun of it but not getting any good rolls

[compact mist]

which one sounds like Jamaican guy?

[analog juniper]

Savant

[tranquil fiber]

Knife is better on Zealots

[random wolf]

Savant is the nicest, most understanding one.

[tranquil fiber]

what the hell does it do for Psykers xD

[analog juniper]

he has a generic African accent with some weird word pronunciations but its cool

[compact mist]

ok thx mate

Any beginner tips for psyker? just creating character.

[tranquil fiber]

don't blow up

[cyan notch]

use staff asap

[analog juniper]

^

manage peril well, and dont die

[tranquil fiber]

97 % is your cut off from all attacks...

in other words, recharge immediately if above

[tranquil badge]

Savant is also a total boy scout

[tranquil fiber]

Ability can save you from blowing up at 100%

[tranquil badge]

Will snitch on you for sneaking lho sticks onto the plane

[analog juniper]

also all the soulflame perks are garbage

[ornate hamlet]

😅

[magic hull]

wtf

[analog juniper]

aside from the last one, and then only with the Purgatus staff

[analog juniper]

lmao

burn for that 0.1 dmg ticks

[ornate hamlet]

im tellin u it melts

albeit slowly

[analog juniper]

idk the purge stacks dont seem to apply fast enough

[past patio]

inspect the damage stat and look at what the range is

[ornate hamlet]

one day i'll get an 80 damage/80 burn one :)

[magic hull]

currently the luckiest one i rolled so far.

[ornate hamlet]

wouldnt that be in the cloud radius?

[violet pollen]

Dame I want that

[subtle solstice]

How does it feel to play the best class everyone here

[violet pollen]

Like I get violated easily

[ornate hamlet]

bad if we dont got a vet

[subtle solstice]

Found the Vet spy

[ornate hamlet]

id never

[violet pollen]

Fed/vet

Alright then if you see a bulwark and crusher which should you bb first?!

[ornate hamlet]

neither

[subtle solstice]

Ngl I just started internal strife amongst Zealot and Ogryns channels and blamed other channels

I'm on to you

[ornate hamlet]

hahaha not the ogryns

they're too nice

[subtle solstice]

I called them Shrek and told them they stink

And then said I was a Zealot

[ornate hamlet]

if they could read they'd be very offended by that

[violet pollen]

Don't be mean to them

[magic hull]

quick charge up + and decent warp resistance makes it feels like you can pull off endless flames and not worry about perils at all. My favourite staff because i can just burn them all day long!

[subtle solstice]

Thank goodness it wasn't me it was the Zealots lol

And the Vets have been downright brutal in the Zealots chat tonight

[violet pollen]

Elaborate I don't look at the other chats

All I know is cc and bb

[subtle solstice]

Well in Zealots chat I told them they needed to stop running ahead and they might actually be able to finish a T5

[violet pollen]

True

[ornate hamlet]

it’s true

every zealot does it

[violet pollen]

Had one run off alone

Said "don't run off alone" they responded "oh it was only a mutant"

[subtle solstice]

In Vet chat i told them to Git Gud and they can run a Psyker

[violet pollen]

Im be honest,at that point I'll let the pox hound kill you

[subtle solstice]

What you mean

I don't need your protection

[violet pollen]

If a zealot runs off after I said not to,I'll let them die

[subtle solstice]

Oh lmao

[ornate hamlet]

just saw your pfp 🤔

[violet pollen]

I like to use the buddy system

[subtle solstice]

Zealot needs to stay with me

[violet pollen]

Exactly

[magic hull]

skill issue

[violet pollen]

It's basically "you keep me from getting violated, and I'll stop you from getting violated"

[gray island]

hmmm

[subtle solstice]

Well if I'm carrying the whole team I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to kill that single random enemy that spawns behind me so I don't have to break CC to kill it

[sleek herald]

bruh, you don't understand zealots running off and charging if you didn't play one, it's the same as in vermintide and slayer

[magic hull]

thats sexy man

[violet pollen]

Hot

[sleek herald]

there's just something in charging and going ham on enemies

AND it's lore accurate to do so

[subtle solstice]

I don't see that as unreasonable

[magic hull]

idc join my lobby and carey i need gold

[worthy wasp]

Nah

Legit check this out

[magic hull]

if u good u carey pls ty