psyker-class

[bright cipher]

[bleak sonnet]

the emperor blessed me

[olive ember]

Can’t believe he’s an ogryn now

Bruh it’s not even a mk12 or a mk vld

[bright cipher]

ok this guy is trolling

he just copied a vet loadout

[untold kestrel]

What have we learned if anything about the different curious, not the perks but the actual base item. Are they just flavor?

[bright cipher]

and posted it in psyker chat

[mellow crescent]

Yes.

[bright cipher]

but even if thats a vet loadout its still ass

[bright pike]

I like their style 😌 vet loadout on psyker meta~♪

[bright cipher]

no power sword

[untold kestrel]

Ty

[bright pike]

This is good to know, I've been trying to figure out the best ones to look out for

[honest frost]

Vet don’t get the duelling sword though?

[olive ember]

Oh yeah the zealots ignore me in their chat so

[mellow crescent]

Same as in VT2, I would assume
Cosmetic/flavour difference in the name and picture, but ultimately only the stats matter

[olive ember]

What’s a good gun to run on zealot if I’m using the antax axe

[mystic dome]

For the next class release there better be a gunwizard option for psyker

[bright cipher]

BOLTER

or flamer

[mystic dome]

I cast "Full Auto" and end my turn

[bright pike]

I just run full auto guns on my Psykinetic ;3

[bleak sonnet]

gun psyker op

[untold kestrel]

I want a kamikaze psyker that is built around maxing peril, blowing up, and having a mechanic that occasionally auto revives us

[olive ember]

I have a love hate relationship with the flamer. On one hand it’s rly good against hordes and bosses, on the other hand fml I have zero ranged and I get fked by shooters

[mellow crescent]

"hey guys im really putting the kinetic in the psykinetic ;3"

• ctrlotte probably

[bright pike]

What feats do you run since you're using the sabre?

[bleak sonnet]

idk

i just cliucked random 1s

:3

[bright pike]

LMAO so true bestie~★

respekt

[bleak sonnet]

i think i have the one that gives peril on block

[bright cipher]

op at what

[bright pike]

Yeah that makes sense

[bleak sonnet]

i cant tell though because im so busy shooting things

to ever block

[bright pike]

pew pew pew

[bright cipher]

get a competent vet friend, thats literally their job after all

[bleak sonnet]

the issue with veterans is that 99% of veterans have brain damage from irl military service

[olive ember]

My vet friend is currently trying to run the no ammo 100% accuracy challenge with a revolver or a helbore

[bleak sonnet]

so i just take my own lasgun

[bright pike]

no way man, I'm not gonna be a part of the system the man is tryna impose on us by buffing vet to hell

• it's funee when I shoot stuff and lightning makes heads explode every once in a while

[bleak sonnet]

when you really think about it

vet is just psyker with bad drip

[bright pike]

true

hood cosmetic OP

[olive ember]

I mean imo ogryn has worst drip

[ruby karma]

What is the emporer thinking, giving me this

[olive ember]

He wears a tank top and a turtle shell

[mystic dome]

Counterpoint: My Psyker gets to look like Charles Xavier from the X-Men because fatshark cant make hair show up in half the headgear

[mellow crescent]

tbf, Monstrum penance is not as bad as it could be

"Finish a mission on Heresy difficulty or higher with only BB kills"

[proven raven]

tbf that would be easier

[nocturne stream]

At least that is within your control

[bright cipher]

just have him disconnect and reconnect at the end of the raid

[tidal violet]

Something that like, uses your psy-sight to highlight all elites for targeting, and putting warp charge into your guns so they do extra damage!
"Prospero stands!"

[nocturne stream]

you just need to be carried

[untold kestrel]

wdym i see plenty of psykers that play that way by default

[olive ember]

I told him that and he went bolter instead but that still doesn’t particularly solve our ranged problem

[signal turret]

Which should I upgrade

[mystic dome]

Give me the dope wheelchair in the fuckin cash shop Fatshark

[bright pike]

make a psy-gun that shoots psy-bullets

[untold kestrel]

voidstrike has entered the chat

[dusk pilot]

Gun psyker is just a worse sharpshooter tho 🤔

[olive ember]

Left has better stat spread im pretty sure

Also you want brutal momentum and left has two chances right only has one

[signal turret]

I was thinking the same. Im new to the MK V gang so im not certain if anyone has worked out what the preferred blessings are. Decapitator seems alright.

[worthy wasp]

I'd keep both and upgrade the on the left, if it gets a better blessing than the one on the right I'd run it instead.

They seem uber close in terms of performance

[olive ember]

How good is decapitator anyways

Like how pronounced is the rending effect and how quick can you kill a crusher/mauler etc. with the rending effect activated

[bright pike]

:[ I turned off my comp and am ready 4 bed but now I want to play more after talking to you all

[worthy wasp]

On mkv ehh... limbsplitter / brutal momentum / power on hit blessing are preferred

[signal turret]

The heresy I tried on I seemingly 2-shot them with them a full stack and 2 heavies but teammates may have contributed

Just joined a match at the mission failed screen lol

[olive ember]

Oof yeah that happens

[bright pike]

Okay I will actually go to bed now, but thanks for the good chats folks ^w^ have a good night

[hardy lily]

I had to rescue teammates 12 times in the same area in Malice, I never wish I could have bots more badly

[stable stone]

thats rough

[hardy lily]

I even dropped my health kit at nearly full to keep their asses alive lol

[night marten]

pug team mates seem straight allergic to shooting riflemen sometimes

running around killing everything in a square mile radius with melee and just dodging behind pillars leaving the gunners to fill everyone with holes

[hardy lily]

It started with someone pulling daemon host as per usual

[olive ember]

I had a heresy run the other day, where for wte reason one guy kept rushing ahead and another guy kept lagging behind… as THE cc mage in the group it was a pain in the ass to keep ‘em not dead

[stable stone]

the amount of runs I've lost because somebody decided that attacking the floating whispering demon was a good idea

[hardy lily]

I've learned to let people die so I can rez them now

[trail tapir]

That's +REDACTED+ ||standard issue for Grey Knights||

[hardy lily]

Fuck DPS check with bad players

[trail tapir]

I doubt we'd get one though

[wet gust]

Force Sword vs Duelling Sword and why?

[trail tapir]

What will you use it with?

[hardy lily]

Dueling Sword for me, highest mobility and best at killing unarmored

[trail tapir]

FS is great with deflector perk for tanking

[bleak tulip]

duelling has good passive vent and a decent moveset and dodge

[wet gust]

Still battling that... Void vs Surge

[bleak tulip]

thats about it

[hardy lily]

Surge 100% dueling sword, not sure about Voidstrike

[bleak tulip]

I prefer foce for the infinite dodges and the special, as well as the moveset but that last one is more or less subjective

[wet gust]

Why 100% with Surge?

[trail tapir]

If you have a force sword with deflector and take the peril block perk you can just tank insane amounts of damage and do not need to worry about ranged enemies anymore with some situational awareness

[stable stone]

I like the force sword for its special, good for quickly killing stronger guys when in close quarters.

[hardy lily]

Surge covers flak and carapace, dueling sword covers unarmored, just works well together

[wet gust]

I see

[trail tapir]

Dueling sword is great at avoiding damage in melee with fluid dodges and quick strikes, but it won't save you from ranged damage quite as easily

[wet gust]

I've watch a guy on YouTube Duelling + Void on Damnation

[trail tapir]

Honestly surge is useful and looks pretty but the gameplay is really, really boring

[hardy lily]

Admittedly if you get scab gunnered without push or cover you're gonna die without bullet shield, but that shouldn't be a thing that happens

[trail tapir]

Voidstrike feels meaty and impactful

[bright cipher]

im the opposite

sure void feels meaty but shooting dr manhattan orbs gets boring

surge allows me to focus on ccing key targets at close to mid/long range

[trail tapir]

The nicest part of FS is when a teammate goes down - you're the safest option to pick them up with good positioning

No other weapon can do that really

Especially with peril block

[bright cipher]

im basically on constant watch for mutants, dogs, gunners, snipers and bombers disabling them before they can do anything

[bleak sonnet]

surge / dueling is a good loadout just not at all self sufficient

if you're the last alive, the run is over

[hardy lily]

Meh, I'd rather have deeps on my melee with zoom zoom instead of utility block and a longer range push

[bright cipher]

surge/antax tho

[trail tapir]

It's true and I struggle with that too because FS feels awful to fight with for me

The moveset feels like I'm slapping people around with a rubber dildo rather than cutting them with a lethal weapon

Entirely unlike say, the axes or the dueling sword which actually sound and look damaging

[bleak tulip]

thats a general sign of a weak rolled weapon though, not the weapon type

[weary wasp]

I own 6 bloody force sword by now and yet to see the deflector perk. Hiss

[wet gust]

I can't agree more

[trail tapir]

Idk I meant more the feedback

[quaint eagle]

Hey Psykers, when you're trying to blow yourself up and take out elites with you, it's literally any group of 3 of them right? I've been chastised for not letting elites (esp duo spawns) live despite the fact that I've been shoving a large majority of them only to see them get BB'd or shot by anyone but me.
-A Vet

[hardy lily]

It is SO nice to be able to teleport around reviving people and doing objectives

[untold scaffold]

Is there a group to do penances with? Don't wanna ruin my pugs on purpose

[stuck kiln]

It's of course a meme, if you pick a bleed weapon and forget to take bleed feats and traits

[trail tapir]

Like the sound and sight of beheading a plaguewalker with the FS just feels two tiers lower than doing the same with a chainsword or a taxe or a dueling V

[bleak tulip]

see thats how I feel about dueling, but hey subjective i guess

[stuck kiln]

Knife is pretty op on zealot

[bleak tulip]

dueling feels like im slapping people with a pvc pipe

[wet gust]

Luckiest BB ever for me x' D

[weary wasp]

Man. I dont wanna look for a premade.

Sadge

[hardy lily]

I got mine when the dog "started" the lunge but didn't even yelp or get off the ground

[cyan notch]

i dont like how enemies start to target and attack you before they are even in playable zones

[trail tapir]

It's just pure random luck tbh, just BB dogs till you happen to get it

I think I got mine on a bugged dog that got stuck on a wall

[trail garnet]

lovin this thing

[lethal plover]

the newest desert maps are so much fucking harder than the initial maps

[robust meteor]

because of the camo scabs

[trail tapir]

Mk II, really? I find that to be the weakest moveset personally tbh

[weary wasp]

On contrary... You can kill them with melle through walls. Kekw

[wet gust]

What movement? Aren't they both a light attack spam weapon?

[trail tapir]

Yeah but the actual moves change

Mark II has a slash - slash - stab light attack pattern

The stab is not that easy to aim with

And a slash - stab heavy attack

Mark IV has a slash - slash light attack and stab - stab heavy

[trail garnet]

using it rn its slash-slash-slash light attack

[trail tapir]

Damn, i might be misremembering then

I know V for sure has exclusively slashes

With heavies being downward slashes

And light being diagonal - diagonal - down

[bright cipher]

so surge does extra well against armored right?

does that include flak AND carapace?

or just one of em

[cyan echo]

both

[wet gust]

Do you guys pick weeklies about scriptures or grimoirs?

[bright cipher]

if i can choose

grims

[trail tapir]

Scriptures

[bright cipher]

too many scripts are literally bugged with terrain and hard to spot already

[weary wasp]

Scriptures are easy, grims are a pass

[grizzled shoal]

is the 300 seconds warp charge penance easy or am i just lucky

[trail tapir]

Grims only if I can be bothered to run diff2 milk runs

[lapis sandal]

Worth getting? Hoping i can reroll for deflection when that's available

[weary wasp]

Also, do not look for scriptures. Listen for them. They sound like a gas leak and are really easy to spot if you keep that in mind.

[faint sigil]

easy to spot, with your ears

[grizzled shoal]

how loud is it

i have bad hearing

[bright cipher]

well thats new to me

grims at least glow brighter than CIA agents so its easy to spot

[weary wasp]

About half the sound of chain sword. You can hear it through walls

[half turtle]

the sound effect radius isn't enormous but definitely noticeable

it's like, yeah, hissing white noise

[lethal plover]

PSA: left click your surge / void staff.
it shuts down trash shooters with suppression

[grizzled shoal]

the gas leaking in the kitchen about to explode
me: wow scriptures

[bright pike]

🤔 force sword has unlimited dodges?

[warm rune]

Yes

[weary wasp]

High key think two handed force sword wont have a deflector and will come with shit dodge

[bright pike]

damn that's amazing 😌

[warm rune]

Between that, the alt attack, and the ability to quell without swapping, I'm never going to use another melee

[trail tapir]

I think it will have deflector but also shit dodge

[weary wasp]

I mean...you can use other weapon on any other class

[warm rune]

on psyker, that's implied

[weary wasp]

As in if you like both then that's the way to go

[normal monolith]

My response to this force sword is very simple.

Listen to PUPPY, he knows what’s up

[bright pike]

ability to quell is via Battle Meditation right?

[wet gust]

How should I fight against a Monstruosity/Boss? Voidstrike spam or Brain Burst spam?

[weary wasp]

Heavy force sword special

[normal monolith]

^

[bright pike]

or do you mean the actual R button

[brazen magnet]

Warp charged force sword heavy attacks, and make sure you let the entire animation finish

[warm rune]

depends on the boss, Nurgle you can spam weak point or force sword

[normal monolith]

force sword charge attacks hit like a ton of bricks

[warm rune]

Daemonhost, cry if you're targetted

[bright pike]

🤔 interesting!!

[normal monolith]

daemonhost brainburst spam

[wet gust]

But I play Duelling Sword 😦

[weary wasp]

Disgust

[brazen magnet]

then BB

[tidal kernel]

what are good melee weapons to pair with surge staff that aren't axe

[signal turret]

Bless up

[weary wasp]

Try out your dps on bodyshots in sim and pick

[untold kestrel]

we need monstrosities in meat grinder

[normal monolith]

on heresy difficulty my force sword does like 1/5 or so on warp charge heavy attacks

maybe more

[signal turret]

Even though not being able to block ranged is annoying not having to be ultra sweaty during hordes like I had to be with FS is so nice

[versed rose]

for 4s and 5s how do you optimally use surge staff do you charge or no charge

[weary wasp]

Also. Is it just me or force sword special has a damage mod on specials? 2k damage on mutant

[signal turret]

No charge every time

[normal monolith]

no charge

[untold kestrel]

no charge unless armorered enemies are there for extra damage imo

[normal monolith]

helps keep that hard CC up

[lethal plover]

is this how ogryn feels ?

just stand still and mows horde

[versed rose]

no wonder my peril goes up so fast lol

[signal turret]

Even the peril decays faster than Force Sword

[versed rose]

ty

[normal monolith]

Charging smite helps dumpster armored specials tho

[bleak sonnet]

after using a decently rolled force sword for half a day

i can say that force sword does have its place

[normal monolith]

Force sword wrecks face

[bleak sonnet]

but that place is typically too niche when playing with a good team

[normal monolith]

ngl

[bleak sonnet]

to outweigh the general usefulness of just

axe

[normal monolith]

Force sword tho if you time your strikes right is a cleave

[lethal plover]

I believe axe surge can solo damnation. I just need to git gud enough to do it.

[weary wasp]

It also knocks down crushers and berzerkers with a pushattack

[normal monolith]

the first light attack is a cleave

[warm rune]

Axe with cleave blessing or without?

[lethal plover]

literally axe surge has horde clear + stops dogs and mutants + suppresses ranged gunmen. the only problem will be kiting around armored crushers.

[bleak sonnet]

i think forcesword has really good synergy with lasgun psyker

oddly enough

you always have the peril to use it when you need it

[uncut hamlet]

Surge can stun crushers too no?

[warm rune]

I hate lasgun psyker, what's the point of playing psyker, to spam knockdown with quicken?

[trail tapir]

I was thinking force sword and laspistol could be fun for a melee psyker, but we don't have a subclass to really facilitate that yet

[lethal plover]

yeah but it takes a while to whittle them down

[ornate hamlet]

Love me some purgatus tho

[warm rune]

Maybe if the added subclass changes the mechanics, but currently? Why

[bleak sonnet]

the biggest threat in damnation is the ranged grunts

typically how i play las psyker is shoot them

[uncut hamlet]

Yea that's true, but axe has decent lenetration

[muted tundra]

Anyone want to poke around in Heresy?

[bleak sonnet]

then ult -> brainburst specials

[bright pike]

I mean, provided I don't get slapped by a maniac I can usually just dodge back and forth until the horde is dead

[bleak sonnet]

if i need to

[weary wasp]

Well, force sword doesn't go off when charged at 98 or maybe even 99%. Can just constantly be edged

[signal turret]

Staff brings so much utility I cant see how a subclass like that would have a niche to fill

[lethal plover]

yep, having the axe is why it's possible, but it will still be tough

[uncut hamlet]

Vet with counterfire deals with them all usually though

[warm rune]

Why not just run two guardsmen then?

[normal monolith]

Yea

[bleak sonnet]

lasgun vet has no way to deal with carapace consistently

mkxii does 5 dmg weakspot to carapace

lol

lasgun psyker has that option

[lethal plover]

between every lightning charge, throw the left click shot. it shuts up gunmen in a vicinity
seriously, people should start appreciating how suppression works so well here

[warm rune]

ranged grunts don't have carapace

They're in flak

[uncut hamlet]

Yea it sucks against carapace, but wouldn't your team be able to deal with the one lone crusher

[weary wasp]

Rapier and pistol in vt2 felt nothing more than a gimmick

[bleak sonnet]

there are typically 4-5 grouped crushers / bulwarks a lot of the time

[uncut hamlet]

I don't like lasgun psyker partially because if I wanted to use a gun I'd just play vet. I want space magic

[bleak sonnet]

that's cool

play how u want

idrc

[trail tapir]

I meant the separate laspistol

[normal monolith]

Lasgun psyker still has the random bb from attacks

[uncut hamlet]

Harder if it's a group but in my experience as vet on damnation, someone else almost always has the tools to take down armored argets

[normal monolith]

so they can still hurt things

[uncut hamlet]

Targets*

[bleak sonnet]

it's cool when someone has the ability

[lethal plover]

only bolter and plasma can do it comfortably from range

[uncut hamlet]

As you said the ranged are a threat so I go counterfire XII to kill them all for the rest of the time

Team*

[warm rune]

Every 15 seconds you hit a bb, so either a random grunt dies, or the off chance that you hit an unyielding

[bleak sonnet]

its very very cool when EVERYONE has the ability to do everything

[trail tapir]

But I do hope they eventually add combo melee and gun weapons, it's such an iconic 40K image of a fighter with a sword or axe or hammer in one hand and a gat in the other

[normal monolith]

i’m sad most of my Transcendent weapon drops for psyker are infantry autoguns

[bleak sonnet]

we talked about this earlier with axe

someone else can do it

its cool if everyone can

and more effective

[uncut hamlet]

Bolter has a hard time dealing with masses of ranged enemies

Harder*

[lethal plover]

yep, anti-armor role is different from anti-personnel

[weary wasp]

Zealot can just press f and ignore crushers armor with bolter or flamer lmao

[uncut hamlet]

It still can, just takes ages and eats up ammo

It's just that no one can deal with ranged hordes like vet can, so I feel it's best for team comp for me to deal with them if I'm vet

[normal monolith]

i was in an all guardsman party vs one Scab Mauler once

[lethal plover]

still bolter is a sight for sore eyes when director spams crushers

[normal monolith]

that felt like a miniboss

[uncut hamlet]

I'll go power sword and melee the crushers after if necessary

[uncut hamlet]

And a plague ogryn on top of it because the crushers weren't enough lmao

[normal monolith]

all we had was lasguns and shovels/knives

[bleak sonnet]

anyone can deal with ranged hordes like vet can tbh

the mkxii already 1 taps heads without the +weakspot modifier

[uncut hamlet]

Shovels have pen! A bit

[normal monolith]

scab mauler became super scary then

[lethal plover]

yeah the crushers are like a bunch of shit backlogged in your toilet if you don't take them down quickly

[bleak sonnet]

anyone with a mkxii is the same against a ranged grunt as a vet is

[uncut hamlet]

Unwavering volley let's me take their aggro too

[bright pike]

I have zero issues taking down ranged peeps on psyker

[bleak sonnet]

what i will say though, is that nobody does bolter like a vet

i think there's a pretty nice niche for a lasgun psyker

with a bolter vet

[uncut hamlet]

And having the ult up the whole time I've found helps with pug coordination since everyone knows where elites are

[wet gust]

Why? Don't say that or I will be confused as fuck once again T_T

[warm rune]

I'm tired of seeing vets spam bolter shots on things that psykers can easily bb

then run out of ammo

[bleak sonnet]

ammo really shouldnt be an issue

there's abundant ammo even on t5

[warm rune]

It's like damn dude, you see the BB aura already stop unloading all 15 shots into the crusher

[bleak sonnet]

the biggest issue ive found is people who dont need ammo picking up the ammo

[uncut hamlet]

Ammo is relatively abundant yea, just some players don't ration it well

[hardy lily]

I'm tired of seeing bolt gun at all, I'd rather see shredder pistols

[normal monolith]

And vets get ammo for elite kills

[lethal plover]

a niche by which you give up the ability to stop dogs and mutants and bursters in their track with surge.

[bleak sonnet]

my group kills dogs and mutants and bursters without surge

idk

i never run surge

[lethal plover]

seriously, people should start spamming left click with surge staff. that suppresses gunmen

[uncut hamlet]

You play in a pre-made don't you

[weary wasp]

"Easily bb" Ing a crusher sounds like a t3 malice thing

[warm rune]

It staggers it

[weary wasp]

And even then force sword does it better

[bright pike]

I mean, ranged fire suppresses gunmen too does it not?

[bleak sonnet]

you can very easily BB a crusher on t5

[warm rune]

With the third t6 perk you can spam three bb in a row

With <40% peril

[bleak sonnet]

it doesnt 1 shot it but it does stagger and do about 1/3 of the hp

[hardy lily]

I refuse to use Force Swords until they nerf dueling sword mobility into the ground

[uncut hamlet]

Yea psykers are great for armored

They don't need to kill, just chunk and cc

[bleak sonnet]

i would argue it is better to just use quick cast BB to CC the usual 1-2 crushers than to take a surge and base your entire playstyle around it

my builds are based around being as effective as i can in the most scenarios

[ornate hamlet]

You like using dueling swords huh? Me too.

[uncut hamlet]

You play in a pre-made though don't you?

[bleak sonnet]

sometimes

i lfg here too

[warm rune]

What do you do with massed ragers?

[uncut hamlet]

People in damnation do tend to be better at dealing with specials honestly

[bleak sonnet]

shoot them with my lasgun

lol

[uncut hamlet]

It's nice not having to pull dog off someone every few seconds

[hardy lily]

I prefer almost every melee weapon over force swords swings

[bleak sonnet]

even if someone does get dogged

[lethal plover]

yep, I don't believe dogs and mutants and bursters are a non-problem yet
a lot of runs are wiped because of them chipping people down

[bleak sonnet]

psyker ult can clear dog instantly commitment free

[hardy lily]

Except like Shovel and Heavy Sword and Maul

[bleak sonnet]

thru walls even

[uncut hamlet]

I did not know it worked through walls

[bleak sonnet]

and btw, when you dont need to ult to vent (you're using a lasgun) you always have ult up for dogs

[uncut hamlet]

But yea the range is huge and it pushes dog off

[normal monolith]

It do

[bleak sonnet]

very good utility

[wet gust]

you mean the push it does?

[warm rune]

Surge also goes through walls

[uncut hamlet]

Oh? That's pretty cool

[bleak sonnet]

surge persists thru walls

you cant initiate cast thru walls

in most cases

[normal monolith]

yeah Smite doesn’t care

[uncut hamlet]

I see

[bleak sonnet]

but if u cast

[normal monolith]

so long as you have LOS it’ll arc around corners

[bleak sonnet]

and walk behind the wall

[faint sigil]

you definitely can a lot

[bleak sonnet]

it wont break it

[faint sigil]

i hide behind walls and surge all the time

[bleak sonnet]

its also finnicky with up/down and will cast thru ceilings a lot

or thru the floor

[warm rune]

You can target people completely out of sight too

[uncut hamlet]

It's gotten better with verticality is what I've seen

[normal monolith]

Smite is based more on proximity

[uncut hamlet]

Actually goes up and down now

[lethal plover]

what is smite?

[hardy lily]

You don't even need LOS, I zap dudes through the train ceiling all the time

[uncut hamlet]

In beta I'd rarely ever see it do that

[normal monolith]

Surge.

[bleak sonnet]

surge is really good for pugging dont get me wrong

but taking surge really limits you

personally

[normal monolith]

Smite is the actual name of the spell on the Surge staff

[hardy lily]

No shot

[bleak sonnet]

and what you gain

from surge

[faint sigil]

limits you to your sick-ass axe

[uncut hamlet]

I find hordes to be an issue if we don't have a flame zealot if I take surge

[bleak sonnet]

is not worth the limits it places on u

surge makes things you can already do easier

[uncut hamlet]

Specials can be dealt with by vet nades if absolutely necessary, and vets are everywhere

[bleak sonnet]

it does not add anything to your kit

you have CC already

its just harder to use

surge makes it easy

[weary wasp]

Surge turns you into the best pug babysitter out there

[lethal plover]

with axe I think you can half manage. it's really the fact that you have keep an eye out for specials

[warm rune]

How does bringing a gun add anything?

[normal monolith]

Supression

[warm rune]

You already have an unlimited range suppression on your m1 with staff

[uncut hamlet]

I like purge for this reason, even if it's not necessarily optimal

Gives a lot of breathing room

[bleak sonnet]

it rounds your kit out immensely tbh

[hardy lily]

That's why you have dueling sword for hordes

[bleak sonnet]

mkIV lasgun can effectively 1tap ranged grunts

[lethal plover]

the ultimate is not frequent enough for CC. I had 3 dogs I had to put down last game at the same time.

[hardy lily]

Because force sword is back shit to unarmored

[bleak sonnet]

try running ult CDR refresh

[warm rune]

So it... -surge- gun makes things you can already do easier

[bleak sonnet]

my ult is always up

[untold kestrel]

are you aiming for weakspot hits?

[normal monolith]

if you time your light attacks with force sword instead of combing you’ll do nothing but cleaves

[warm rune]

at the cost of your peril reduction, ranged damage reduction, and damage increase from warp charges

[lethal plover]

yep, I didn't understand how suppression works
but wow, it's a credit to the team when you shut gunmen up

[hardy lily]

Yeah? You think I can't aim for weak spot when dueling sword is more precise and requires spacing?

[uncut hamlet]

Outta curiosity why not play vet since you're going gun anyway? You still have good CC with nades and armor pierce with ps

[normal monolith]

The second and third light attacks with force sword are weakspot hits

[lethal plover]

axe peril block

[bleak sonnet]

like psyker drip

[uncut hamlet]

Valid

[warm rune]

Fair enough

[uncut hamlet]

Psyker has good ass drip

[normal monolith]

Psyker is top aesthetics

[hardy lily]

Zealot cash shop drip kinda fire though

[lethal plover]

really? remove the tubes and just give me a gray cloak / robe

[weary wasp]

Light, heavy, block push, repeat. Infinite vertical slashes and with the top tier interupt in between

[uncut hamlet]

It's the best one I think

[lethal plover]

palpatine set complete

[bleak sonnet]

zealot cash shop looks like a cod MW2 warzone skin

[normal monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-zyzz-you-mirin-bro-gif-24672632

[faint sigil]

need the tubes for easy access to corpse starch

[bleak sonnet]

and back to whoever asked me why not vet

[normal monolith]

The tubes are psibernetics

[bleak sonnet]

i unironically think gun psyker brings more to the table than vet

[uncut hamlet]

Yall think the inquisition still feeds us corpse starch after we become part of the actual warband?

[warm rune]

Yes

[normal monolith]

If you do good enough you get grox steaks

[uncut hamlet]

Really? That is a take I have not heard before

[warm rune]

~flavored~ corpse starch

[hardy lily]

I know how to use Force sword, just think it's way worse than even a bad normal sword

[faint sigil]

this is definitely just hot take o clock

[bleak sonnet]

well

a vet brings damage

[weary wasp]

Have you played the vet tho?

[bleak sonnet]

nades (bad on t5 mostly)

yes

i have a lvl30 vet

cleared damn on it a bunch

vet brings dmg and nades pmuch

[normal monolith]

Certain bb builds are basically infinite soulfire nades

[bleak sonnet]

two notable things vet brings to the table

[weary wasp]

Bolter vet is probably the best tool against specials

[hardy lily]

Vet Psyker and Zealot are all good, only Ogryn looking weak atm

[bleak sonnet]

gun psyker brings damage as well

[uncut hamlet]

Nades on T4/5 mostly used to thin hordes or res no?

[bleak sonnet]

but gun psyker also bringsd

the ogryn shield

via sword deflection

[hardy lily]

Fuck ogryn shield

[bleak sonnet]

res capability better than nades

[broken fjord]

Unless you agro a demonhost haha

[bleak sonnet]

via sword deflection

[near wyvern]

Soulblaze just drops in effectiveness within T4 and T5, you can't kill ranged anymore with full stack ult

[hardy lily]

I want DPS not a portable wall that blocks allied shots

[bleak sonnet]

an actually useful ult that can take dogs etc off

[uncut hamlet]

I've had some Hella good shield ogryns before

[bleak sonnet]

you're just way more

[warm rune]

Shield is amazing

[bleak sonnet]

versatile

[normal monolith]

Yeah :(

[bleak sonnet]

ive found that outside of monstrosities (once every few runs most of the time)

[warm rune]

Doesn't a single weak point hit stagger the dogs off?

[bleak sonnet]

vet damage aint really that crazy

nothing a vet can do that a gun psyker cant do

tbh

[broken fjord]

Yea if you are team playing, having the shield in a team is a great addition, I've stopped worrying about how many I kill, but rather that we all make it without dropping

[mellow crescent]

this man has never stood inside a shield ogryn and spammed voidstrike

[bleak sonnet]

and there's a lot that a psyker can do

that a vet cant

[near wyvern]

Any stagger kicks them off a person

[hardy lily]

Veteran has the highest DPS in the game but it's not that much DPS?

[normal monolith]

Zealot thunder hammer charge is the chunkiest anti-special/monstrosity in the game

[faint sigil]

take these takes into vet chat

see how far it gets you

[normal monolith]

Veteran has good burst damage

[bleak sonnet]

vet has good monstrosity damage but

[normal monolith]

Like really good

[bleak sonnet]

every "good vet"

[uncut hamlet]

You're the only guy I've ever heard say psyker is better than vet in any way lmao, I'm curious what the community would say

[bleak sonnet]

is running mkxii lasgun

mkxii lasgun does not benefit from the vet weakspot dmg

(already kills without)

to the enemies that matters

[broken fjord]

a good psyker makes levels a cake walk focusing down specials

[warm rune]

Hot take: I like the braced autogun

[bleak sonnet]

against ranged grunts

[uncut hamlet]

I do too

They're fun

[bleak sonnet]

a gun psyker does the exact same damage

[normal monolith]

It go BRRRRR

[bleak sonnet]

but in addition to also doing the vets most important job

[lethal plover]

reveal location of hidden specials and snipers for the team.
extra accuracy and resilience when activating volley fire / counterfire
camo expert, just stand on top of some box before horde starts

[brave vale]

our niche is that we're sup[posed to kill armored targets easily but it takes like 3-4 brain bursts to kill one of them

which is fucking stupid

[near wyvern]

I should try one, the game rolled me a decent torrent lasgun

[uncut hamlet]

Does XII one shot gunners without vet weak spot? Haven't tried it

[bleak sonnet]

ye

it does

:P

[uncut hamlet]

Interesting

[bleak sonnet]

i dont use that one tho

i use mkvi

iv*

[lethal plover]

niche? Psyker, as we have discovered in the last few days, can basically do a bunch of things. Have you kept up with it?

[uncut hamlet]

The overall 60% increased damage during ult is nice too though

I can three or four shot reapers with weak spot

[bleak sonnet]

mkiv can two shot ranged grunts but the firerate allows u to double tap them during hitstun

[near wyvern]

Psyker is a tank change my mind

[uncut hamlet]

And weakspot hits aren't always guaranteed so it's a nice safety net

[warm rune]

Base 100 tough 100 health :V

[brave vale]

i mean psyker is fun but like when it comes to killing specials in general vet just seems way stronger

[bleak sonnet]

vet is nice

[normal monolith]

Psyker CAN be a tank with perils deflection

[bleak sonnet]

i never said vet was bad

i always run with a vet

what im saying is

[near wyvern]

Duelling sword and kinetic deflector doesn't care

[bleak sonnet]

gun psyker>staff psyker

[brave vale]

why doesnt it just curious

[bleak sonnet]

breakpoints

its main use is to kill ranged grunts in 1 shot

which it already does

[hardy lily]

Let's ignore that veteran massacres everything not carapace then has to "make do" with Power Sword, the best melee weapon in the game

[lethal plover]

psyker is now a tank and reviver

[bleak sonnet]

it does benefit on other targets, but that's not why u run mkxii

[brave vale]

can a vet not do the same thing?

[lethal plover]

peril block is our thing. we also block bullets

[warm rune]

That rager walked right through you lmao

[brave vale]

thats p cool il ltry it, what difficulty was that on?

[hardy lily]

Also Veteran can draw enemy fire while killing ranged and tank it with the -damage

[lethal plover]

heresy and damn

[hardy lily]

And remove suppression with ult

[uncut hamlet]

Yea that's what I usually do with the ult

[near wyvern]

I tried the deflector, it's not that amazing since the auto quell on force sword sucks balls

[uncut hamlet]

With arms length and unwavering I can tank ranged easily

[hardy lily]

Yeah auto quell on Dueling Sword is bae

Quelling is lame

[brave vale]

what if u take the ult that reduces based on stacks of warp charges to help supplement reducing peril

[hardy lily]

Quelling is DPS loss and bitch mode

[brave vale]

duelling sword auto quel?

[bleak sonnet]

dont have to quell when u got a gun

holy laser fire generates no peril

[hardy lily]

Yeah it auto quells while you melee

[lethal plover]

I have been running 6 stacks with peril resistance for a long time, and I bet others are

[uncut hamlet]

Lol it kinda sucks if the best way to play space wizard is to take out the wizard

[lethal plover]

especially for peril block

[uncut hamlet]

Yea it feels great

[hardy lily]

I am not replacing staff for a gun lol

[weary wasp]

Psyker is not in a good place right now.

On fact, I think that other classes would do a better job given the same weapons

[near wyvern]

The other problem is you don't have a safe attack while tanking with FS.

With duelling or mk V axe you can spam push attack

With FS your push attack does very little damage and you need to let your guard down to attack.

Why go through all that trouble when you can just LOS ranged and tank a demonhost for the weekly monstrosity kills if needed

[uncut hamlet]

I get pretty good guns in my psyker shop, I just don't want to gun as psyker yea

[brave vale]

Woudlnt kinetic flayer be better to consistently keep up charges without having to BB

[uncut hamlet]

I swap my melee pretty often though

[hardy lily]

It's already blasphemous enough I use braced autogun to do my zealot weeklies

[lethal plover]

classes are defined a lot by weapons. like bolter and surge. it's part of the equation

[uncut hamlet]

It really isn't, I'm hoping they do some rebalancing soon to give power to the Magical parts

[hardy lily]

Psyker is perfectly fine, but the early game sucks dick

[faint sigil]

how about that trauma staff, my brothers in the emperor?

[lethal plover]

you can certainly test it out but I prefer more resistance

[brave vale]

Im gonna try it now actually, do I need a certain perk, like deflector for this to work?

[ornate hamlet]

No

[weary wasp]

I would have to disagree, because siena in vt2 has a much better talent synergy on all subs

[bleak sonnet]

psyker is in a fine spot

u dont have to be op to clear

there will always be a worst class

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-25837101

[hardy lily]

Only class that sucks is ogryn but lots of people simp over shields for some reason

[mild lotus]

Which is terribly sad and a testimony of how psyker's design has failed.

[weary wasp]

It's not about being op, it's just jank

[lethal plover]

besides, who else can peril block?

[bleak sonnet]

i would agree its in a weird spot

[hardy lily]

No shot gun psyker is better

[warm rune]

Because it's the only thing that counters their HUEG profile weakness

[uncut hamlet]

It's more that I wish the staves were better, I generally agree that they feel underwhelming compared to other stuff

[bleak sonnet]

not necessarily a bad spot

[mild lotus]

When the space wizard becomes the most effective when he's fighting like the regular space army grunt...

[analog juniper]

its in a bad spot

[weary wasp]

Ogryn with a shield isn't that far

[hardy lily]

Nahhh I wouldn't play psyker without a staff, makes zero sense

[uncut hamlet]

I love shield ogryns

[bleak sonnet]

i find great success in my t5 runs with psyker, i dont think its in a bad spot at all

[weary wasp]

They be bros

[warm rune]

Using psyker as a tank removes them as both cc support and gun options

[uncut hamlet]

Who reacted with an X

[lethal plover]

the ogryn lacks the other stuff in psyker kit, like surge staff and BB that deals with gunmen / snipers etc.

[uncut hamlet]

If that's a negative I'll find you and feed you to a beast of nurglr

Shield ogryns are the best

[faint sigil]

ogryn have the superior brain burst

[mild lotus]

clearly, guns on psykers were added as a way to defend yourself when things come to your face, not as a way to overlap on vet's job. And yet here we are, something is messed up.

[faint sigil]

they just only have 2 charges

[weary wasp]

Read again, smh

[warm rune]

The big slug boys just want to be friends :<

[bleak sonnet]

ogryn is the worst class and ogryn cant equip lasgun

[faint sigil]

and have to vent by picking up loot

[hardy lily]

Best at being top of the fish bowl

[bleak sonnet]

no coincidence here

[brave vale]

What's the set up for doing what u did in that video? Do I need certain perks or what?

[lethal plover]

I told you all you need actually. doesn't need anything special

[uncut hamlet]

Wrong definition of bad I think. If psyker plays more like a vet than space magic, then I'd call it a bad spot

[lethal plover]

get mk5 combat axe with peril block

[near wyvern]

You need the feat kinetic deflector (lvl 20) and try it first with a regular melee weapon

The trick is that the peril gain on block does not stop your auto quelling

Auto quelling is a lot faster on regular weapons than on force weapons

If you want to RP a jedi you need a force sword with the deflector blessing (allows blocking ranged attacks) but it's not as useful as it sounds. You want the ranged dead, you achieve nothing by standing in the middle and not killing stuff.

[hardy lily]

I need a macro so I can rapid fire staff left click

[ornate hamlet]

Unless you don't have an ogryn.

[lethal plover]

axe surge psyker is the one config that I believe can solo damnation because it covers all ranges

[faint sigil]

can you rapid fire left click with an autoclicker?

does that actually change something?

[uncut hamlet]

Oh does it not? That's very interesting

[hardy lily]

I don't wannt hold to shoot, I want weapon swap cancel to shoot faster

[warm rune]

Have they stated whether or not they're going to keep the auto quell going through peril blocking?

[wet gust]

You can only generate Warps with brain burst kills right?

[warm rune]

Because that sounds like it's going to get nerfed away

[uncut hamlet]

Feats

[warm rune]

Or allies

[lethal plover]

get psychic communion.
if you go flame build you can also use ascendant blaze.

[warm rune]

t2(?) gives the 4% chance on ally kill in coherency

[lethal plover]

in a horde it's so easy to get to 6 without doing anything

[brave vale]

which one?

[bleak sonnet]

there's no wrong definition you just have to be specific

is staff / force sword psyker in a sub optimal spot, and as a result the class fantasy is meh? yeah for sure

is psyker overall sub optimal? no . it has some of the best options and tools in the game

[brave vale]

Whoops, didnt mean for it to post like that

[hardy lily]

I even use that useless brain burst on hit feat to keep warp stacks up

[trail tapir]

With lvl 15 perk - 4% chance on ally kill in Coherency

With lvl 30 perk - additional generation with Soulblaze ticks (Purgatus staff damage and debuff alike)

[hardy lily]

Never have to think about em

[faint sigil]

brain burst on hit is the most satisfying single perk in the game

[bleak tulip]

you forgot the best one at lv 25

[lethal plover]

so satisfying they nerfed it to now just warp upkeep

[trail tapir]

The automatic BB is kind of eh

[untold kestrel]

i didnt realize we were on the staff psyker is bad conversation already

i disagree

[uncut hamlet]

You're right that the class is totally viable, and I think you agree that part of the joy of playing psyker is gone if using the actual psychic parts of it is suboptimal yea?

[lethal plover]

it's just one person pushing for guns, but oh well, different opinions and all that

[near wyvern]

Duelling sword. Mk V axe is an option but none of those are mk V. Mk V axe is better damage but a lot less mobility.

[hardy lily]

Still don't understand, y'all must not be using all the psyker tech if you think psyker staff is bad

[wet gust]

I mean by myself, it is only with Brain Brust kills right?

[bleak tulip]

sorry but thats not even subjective, thats just wrong, its straight up the best way to generate charges

[bleak sonnet]

for sure, never argued that the class fantasy sucks not being ae to use cool stuff and do as well

[uncut hamlet]

Were staves better in CBT btw

[analog juniper]

Gun psyker is not a psyker, it's just a low tier veteran

[uncut hamlet]

Didn't play it

[weary wasp]

As I said it's not weak. It's just bank and doesn't feel... Smooth

[untold kestrel]

i agree with that

[mild lotus]

they didn't exist back then

except the trauma one

aka the worst

[trail tapir]

On that true but as a way of dealing damage it's extremely unreliable

[bright pike]

I vote guns too

[hardy lily]

IDK I feel super smooth as Surge + DS with BB lvl 30 feat

[trail tapir]

Half the time your BB will drop on a plaguewalker

[lethal plover]

it is competing with 6 charges for more peril resistance

[mild lotus]

that's not the point of it anyway

[warm rune]

I'd say that I'd take a gun over purgatus staff

[bleak tulip]

its not about the damage, its about the charges

[mild lotus]

the damage is nice but the warp charge upkeep is the real deal

[warm rune]

Surge>Void>Force>Purg

[bleak sonnet]

i think you'll find the majority of high tier players think lasgun is an effective option that rounds out the kit well

[brave vale]

Could this one work? Seems like its got good stats but low first target. I'll try the dueling for now

[bleak sonnet]

once they try it

[bleak tulip]

and that perk is straight up not as good because it eliminates the best way to gain charges that isnt a waste of time

[uncut hamlet]

I feel great with purge ascendent psyker as well, but I've never tried gun psyker so I can't say whether it's better or not

[analog juniper]

Purgatus is not the worst.. what?

[mild lotus]

why bother playing psyker then?

[near wyvern]

I would say it most certainly is. But I don't think it's going to go away before they are going to make some buffs to other feats.

[bleak sonnet]

cool drip

[mild lotus]

is you just have to boot up the lasgun to win

just pick vet or zealot

[lethal plover]

I think you should know when someone is asking a serious question

[hardy lily]

You'd also say that Zealot should bring XII then? Fuck that, I'm bringing shotgun on Zealot

[untold kestrel]

jus sayin...211131

[warm rune]

What is the playstyle that you're taking purg for, horde clear alone?

[uncut hamlet]

Shotgun on zealot feels really good

[bright pike]

PSyker+lasgun enables you to handle carapace enemies more easily

[uncut hamlet]

It's so meaty

And knocking people on their asses never gets old

[hardy lily]

It covers your weakness to ragers super well

[bleak sonnet]

i hate when people use the "why play psyker if you arent to conform to my narrow and uninteractive mindset of playing the character"

i play a psyker cus i want to, and i have tried nearly every combination at a high level lol

[mild lotus]

there's only one that is an issue and it's the crusher

[hardy lily]

And it deals with ranged

[mild lotus]

maulers are non issues

[weary wasp]

Nah the meta for t5 zealot is a flamer. That's why I dont play t5 and run around at heresy with a shotty

[mild lotus]

force sword + special heavy in the kneecap = headpop, dead mauler

[solar loom]

Psyker with a gun may be effective, but why even play a psyker then? 😄

I'm here for the magic sticks

[hardy lily]

Fuck that flamer is lame, it's just CC with slightly faster horde kill time

[bright cipher]

my issue with purg is that horde clear is never really an issue with a good team

[bleak sonnet]

secret meta for zealot is actually empty gun with crucian roulette 100% crit

[bright pike]

Magic sticks aren't /bad/, I just like my gun build and do well with it :3c

[uncut hamlet]

Tbf you don't have to be on meta to beat T5

[near wyvern]

The mk V axe is because of the push attack, use duelling sword or mk V axe

My favourite is duelling sword and that is also the one that you should use to tank a demonhost. It has really good dodge range with a good mobility roll allowing you to ice skate around while holding down your block go be perfectly safe.

[faint sigil]

wait, narrow and uninteractive mindset like using lasgun on psyker?

[bright cipher]

while stunning key targets is

[uncut hamlet]

Good coordination with your team can get you through a lot

[idle bay]

Siblings is there some advanced techniques of using Surge Staff?
I noticed some strange behavior with it's damage and Peril accumulation.
Like quite often full ZZZAP does not kill a basic pox walker on malice, but insta fries gunners.
Or even without Warp Charges (with peril resistance feat) - i sometimes get less Peril than with Charges! (maybe class passive that dumps 10% peril on kill but i'm not sure)
What is going on?

[uncut hamlet]

Does it bleed over to the mele weapon?

[bright cipher]

with a competent team, you already have more than enough horde clear

[bleak sonnet]

it does

[torpid hemlock]

it does more damage to armoured enemies

[uncut hamlet]

That's cracked actually

[torpid hemlock]

quite useless against unarmoured

[lethal plover]

the issue is the opportunity cost of giving up zapping dogs and mutants and bursters
if the argument is that "well those things aren't a problem", I will just agree to disagree
those things are part of the overall threat picture. in isolation, not so much trouble, but when combined, you appreciate the zapping

[bright cipher]

and from my experience, i never wipe from hordes alone

[bleak sonnet]

it is cracked

[hardy lily]

Look at damage breakdown, Surge does extra damage to armor and less to unarmored

[uncut hamlet]

Need to try that one I get the correct gun

[mild lotus]

since it shoots lightning, metal armor get shredded by it

but regular dudes no so much

[lethal plover]

unarmored bad, armored good

[solar loom]

Honestly, I think it would be great to have a psyker who was like a clairvoyant who can do things like prescient targeting and is super good with guns.

[idle bay]

Ok. That is new for me. Thank you kindly 🙂

[hardy lily]

If you want to kill unarmored with Surge you need full charge or swap to melee instead

[bleak sonnet]

its not actually 100% i think you hit cap around 80%

[bright cipher]

people need to stop looking at staves purely by the dmg stats

[near wyvern]

Yeah purge is the other way around

[mild lotus]

I meant that for another comment

[bleak sonnet]

why cc something if u can just kill it tho

[uncut hamlet]

Still amazing to crit 80% of the time

[bright pike]

I handle dogs and mutants and bursters just fine too, with dogs and mutants being easily remedied with either melee /or/ ranged, and bursters at range easily enough with some headshots

[torpid hemlock]

metal gets shocked, flesh gets burned

[warm rune]

I just hate purg for removing your long ranged auto

[uncut hamlet]

Pug groups need it a lot ngl, at times dmg isn't enough and I need to create breathing room for the team

[hardy lily]

Surge does perfectly fine dps... Not as good as Voidstrike lined up with bowling pins, but that reality isn't all the time

[near wyvern]

Or use ascendent blaze and weaken the horde a shit ton

[warm rune]

And the clear for unarmored is better on void

[weary wasp]

Yeh you can just abuse the shit out of armor ignore with range on fash, but either way there us a certain culture to t5 and it's power gaming

[lethal plover]

bursters at range
Good thing we are often in places without range like corridors etc.

[solar loom]

I like the void staff, but I guess that doesn't exactly make me special. It's just the most fun to use.

[lethal plover]

burster going out of spawn door and detonate right away is real

[bleak sonnet]

i would say the opposite

[uncut hamlet]

Bursters aren't much of an issue if you're aware

[bright pike]

Range as in a few meters, and if you're getting slapped by bursters that often in corridors maybe u need to keep your ears open more cause you can hear them coming from a mile away :3

[hardy lily]

I thought void was most fun to use but I changed ship

[weary wasp]

How so?

[lethal plover]

nothing is an issue in isolation

[uncut hamlet]

I've lost maybe one run to bursters lately, and it was only cuz there was a plague ogryn and half a dozen crushers too

[mild lotus]

bursters are just a matter of pushing them out of the way

[bright pike]

I stop what I'm doing most of the time if I hear a burster so they don't sneak up on you

[near wyvern]

Still waiting for my quelling on weak spot hit rolls to give it a real go

[mild lotus]

ez solved

[worthy wasp]

IMO its pretty op how much Psyker can do w/o line of sight between Surge Staff and BB

[bright pike]

Yeah the push works well, combined with a backdash or two

[lethal plover]

a boss? a zombie horde? a burster? a trapper?
nothing is an issue.
Issue is when they are combined.

[bleak sonnet]

its usually t3 gamers who conform to "meta" and shoot down every suggestion that isnt "run what discordians tell me to" @weary wasp

[bright cipher]

why not just play vet then if youre not playing to the strengths of your class

[onyx oracle]

Which level with PUGs can Psyk start Malice at?

[worthy wasp]

Once you start the attack animation for surge you can go behind cover or w/e and continue shocking

[bleak sonnet]

most ppl i play t5 with just fuck around and theorycraft

[lethal plover]

who here are t3 gamers that you are referring to?

[mild lotus]

if you need the help of a 'meta' in t3 then you should load up the skill addon asap

[warm rune]

Depends on your skill level, psyker can go in immediately with the push and bb for 3

[solar loom]

I'm not sure what the strengths of the psyker even are right now. You can basically be a shock-machine and just CC stuff for your team. Other than that, you're all glass, no cannon.

[warm rune]

It's not great, but it's doable and you fulfill your role

[hardy lily]

I see plenty of thunder hammer in lower tiers, people don't always tryhard

[bleak sonnet]

i see plenty of thunder hammer in t5 too

[mild lotus]

voidstrike would like to have a word

[near wyvern]

Try kinetic deflector with duelling or mk V axe and you are made of concrete

[bleak sonnet]

i see every weapon to some extent except autoguns and las pistol lol

[lethal plover]

time to post it again

[weary wasp]

I kept away from t5 because people kept saying how gun damage is so high there that melee is absolete, but your point seem to differntiate from that

[hardy lily]

Nah Psykers level 30 lowering BB cast time makes you a good BB dps

[uncut hamlet]

You definitely dont need meta I agree, even T5 a kit that's fun can complete missions without too much hassle

[mild lotus]

going to get nerfed very soon I bet

[bleak sonnet]

you're telling me: a t5 gun psyker player, that i in fact do not need a meta loadout to clear t5

i respect that

[signal turret]

Finally start getting god rolls and its shit like this 😦

[uncut hamlet]

I'm not sure since my zealot is low level, but the zealots I see do a lotta melee

[near wyvern]

The strengths of psykers are:

• they can DPS (void)
• they can CC elites & specials (surge)
• they can CC horde (purge)
• they can tank and rez safely (regular weapon + kinetic deflector)

Always pick the bottom one and then pick your staff.

[lethal plover]

literally people should start playing damnation.
I never get open queue until 5 minutes in pub. People are so burned by heresy they stop trying

[weary wasp]

People told me that zealots don't dive at t5

[solar loom]

Does a block build work with a force sword with deflector too?

[weary wasp]

Lmao

[warm rune]

What confuses me about that clip is that you're blocking things hitting you from behind

[idle bay]

Did i understand correctly that Psyker can Indefinitely hold a Horde of Poxwalkers with Force Sword RMB+LMB spam while moving through them without any risk ? 🙂

[worthy wasp]

Bruh. Psyker is legit arguably the strongest class in the game when properly setup... which is crazy because not sure anyone would disagree that the talent tree is wack

[uncut hamlet]

I also don't run bolter or ps on vet, and like burning with purge on psyker. None of those are meta but I've seen even more weird loadouts than mine do well

Teamwork is more important than load out is what I've found

[lethal plover]

axe is best for that.
FS is for bullets, but less horde clearing

[solar loom]

Why do I need a regular weapon to be able to use Kinetic Deflector effectively?

[uncut hamlet]

Wipes happen mostly when someone seperates

[weary wasp]

Block always worked that way, it just has different stamina cost depending on angle and weapon

[lethal plover]

because axe auto-quells better than force sword. for "balance"

[near wyvern]

Yes and no. It's the best for rez but the auto quell on FS is crap and you can't safely sttack. You want to pair kinetic deflector with duelling sword or mk V and you can safely push attack while no one can touch you.

[signal turret]

Block has always been a full 360, regardless of weapon

[idle bay]

Holy Emprah on Terra!

[worthy wasp]

Mkv can do that too, but ye

Mkv antax

[warm rune]

https://media.tenor.com/bD9vHNiR1rQAAAAd/boom-mind-blown.gif

[uncut hamlet]

I really heavily dislike the talent tree. Most of it is "well everything's mediocre so ig I'll take this"

[solar loom]

Mhh, good to know, but that feels like something that will get nerfed eventually

[bleak sonnet]

people bandwagon bad loadouts and preach them as god tier in this community too much

knife zealot is a great example of that, it is arguably one of the worst overrated setups now but you wouldnt think that from community sentiment

same with surge

[worthy wasp]

Ye the talent tree is legit by far the worst in the game.

Still arguably the strongest class

[mild lotus]

they feel like the usual MMORPG end game stat boosts

[warm rune]

The video shows them at 0 stam and no peril though, which confused me

[hardy lily]

Yeah AOE block is kinda dumb

[near wyvern]

Because the auto quelling on regular weapons is like 2 or 3 times faster than on the force sword

[ruby karma]

Would you use this over a force sword? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/183487155425902592/1049601023926345758/image.png

[warm rune]

Never mind I see it now

[brave vale]

this is really good right?

[late gull]

Speaking as a knife Zealot player; you are a god on difficulty 3, you are a burden on difficulty 5

[hardy lily]

I'd use almost anything over a force sword so yes

[worthy wasp]

Surge is amazing, def overrated tho. Ppl talk about it as if its some anti-everything god weapon.

Its just by far and away the best in its niche

[uncut hamlet]

Knife look cool Ig, with all the animations, but the one knife zealot I had was probably the most useless teammate I've gotten in a while

[late gull]

*I am a burden on difficulty 5 XD

[onyx oracle]

after playing Zealot, I play Psych and rage at my Zealots in PUG

[uncut hamlet]

I'd genuinely prefer a thunder hammer zealot

[lethal plover]

if you need a clearer demonstration of peril

[uncut hamlet]

Taking every tanky guy out of the equation is great

[bleak sonnet]

i really think surge is the reason why people think psyker is bad

[weary wasp]

Knife zealot was only good because of laceration bug. It's fixed now but the echo of the idea stays

[uncut hamlet]

I tried surge once and didn't enjoy it, but apparently people do great on it idk

[warm rune]

are you joking me, you can block while reviving?

[worthy wasp]

Ye, cuz they spam it on hordes and shit and cry about doodoo dps

[uncut hamlet]

I figured I was just playing it wrong

[bleak sonnet]

surge encourages such a one dimensional, boring playstyle while also building insanely bad habits and positional awareness because all you need to do is "spam it and cc"

[lethal plover]

we ogryns now

[uncut hamlet]

Ye it was a thing in VT too

[mild lotus]

yes, it's op

[bleak sonnet]

then when the psyker player inevitably gets bored of surge

[weary wasp]

That's... Automatic

[bleak sonnet]

they swap to any other weapon and their bad habits take over

and they chain die

same with ogre shield

[hardy lily]

Blocking isn't automatic, you must hold right click lol

[uncut hamlet]

You ever played around with purge psyker? What do you think of it

[warm rune]

guarantee it's not

[worthy wasp]

Over-generalizing but I agree with the sentiment

[dusk wolf]

So, what would you recommend?

[weary wasp]

While ressing it is

[hardy lily]

You have to hold right click before starting the res to block

[onyx oracle]

What bad habits should I avoid as Pysker

[uncut hamlet]

Love those guys though. I've had really good shield ogryns make encounters easy as breakfast

[late gull]

It's still ok-ish. It's more forgiving than it loks, itt's a lot of fun, and it can regain toughness faster then you lose it against mobs

[mild lotus]

no

absolutely not

[clear heath]

Nah it just autoblocks

[onyx oracle]

As a zealot, Knife Zealots are ok when group is up but then are bad when people go down.

[bleak sonnet]

you've also had surge psykers cc 5 crushers and think to yourself "wow, thats very good"

[mild lotus]

leaving the group for too long

[hardy lily]

So just have the weapon out then? Confused

[weary wasp]

I must be a magician then, because never in my life had I held block while ressing, even in vt2

[late gull]

You auto-block when rezzing

[uncut hamlet]

That's fair

[warm rune]

But you have to swap to melee?

[uncut hamlet]

I'm pretty sure you do auto block when ressing

[ornate hamlet]

what does scripts mean?

[hardy lily]

Do you autoblock while rezzing with gun out?

[mild lotus]

yes

else it doesn't work

[hardy lily]

Ah hah, knew it

[lethal plover]

scripture

[warm rune]

Or macros

[hardy lily]

Otherwise I wouldn't see people getting fucked while rezzing nonstop

[bleak sonnet]

surge encourages a playstyle that doesnt work with any other weapon in the game, and eventually you hit one of two walls:

spamming surge is boring, or
spamming surge isnt enough to win because you limit your own performance and hope team carries

[lethal plover]

people just run out of stamina

[solar loom]

Does having a staff with +reload speed give it better quell speed?

[warm rune]

Surge places you in a support role in a team based game

[worthy wasp]

Def not how I use surge tho

[lethal plover]

usually in a fight you have like no stamina

[hardy lily]

Or they have gun out

[clear heath]

They get cancelled out of ressing if they run out of toughness and get shot too, since they can't block ranged

[orchid nest]

they probably just also sprint to the person and aren't a psyker with peril blocking so have no stam

[bleak sonnet]

then surge psyker tries to use any other weapon, dies because theyre trying to play t5 with no spacial awarness or threat understanding

[warm rune]

If you don't like not being the main character, you're not going to like surge

[bleak sonnet]

and comes to discord and cries psyker bad pls buff

[bright pike]

deflector + peril block 😌

[solar loom]

Psyker isn't bad, but it's certainly not working as intended.

[lethal plover]

axe surge actually has solo capabilities

[uncut hamlet]

I just want the psykers to have stronger magic

[faint sigil]

and then they meet you and turn into a gun psyker. thank god for you.

[uncut hamlet]

Yea

[weary wasp]

Psyker is bad because bb is meh and talent tree is jank. Weapons got nothing to do with it

[uncut hamlet]

The class feels like it's in a weird spot

The tree is built around charges

[solar loom]

Like the fact that it's biggest strength is blocking is not what people want out of their space wizard.

[uncut hamlet]

Charges are built around BB

[warm rune]

95% of the playerbase will never achieve that

[clear heath]

I always appreciate having a surge psyker on the team, but i do think there's some room to give the class a few buffs

[uncut hamlet]

But the best way to play is to ignore charges and BB situational

Situationally

[weary wasp]

Yeh lmao

[ruby merlin]

Personally I'm pretty happy to main the class that has solo capabilities.

And the antax mkv is awesome

[uncut hamlet]

Half the staves are meh, while trauma straight up is worse than all the others

[solar loom]

Eventually brainburst isn't even situational anymore except for maybe popping a sniper here or there.

[ruby karma]

Honestly, it needs a rework.
Like, BB should be a spender.
Building charges should buff your psyker stuff, so you want them.
And BB shouldnt be the way to build them >.>

[uncut hamlet]

Force sword is good at single target and can kill armored pretty fast, but sucks for anything else

[hardy lily]

Every class can solo, just Ogryns do it very poorly

[lethal plover]

it's a combination of many things. Like you can suppress gunmen with staff left click, or BB a pesky sniper with a safe peek. the strengths are many

[ruby merlin]

I mean snipers are a big threat, and ulti into rapid bursting ogryns isn't bad either.

[signal turret]

I dont want to use BB at all

[uncut hamlet]

It has its strengths

[solar loom]

Trauma staff should suck enemies to the center of the attack rather than blow them away from it

[lethal plover]

and that's before talking about the actual staves

[solar loom]

Gather them up so you can nuke them harder

[uncut hamlet]

I just don't think it plays into the space wizard theme very well

[bright pike]

I handle hordes by myself with zero damage D:

[uncut hamlet]

Hell even it's aura

[ruby merlin]

I'd say psyker is the best rounded class. If anyone solos damnation someday, I'd bet on psyker.

[lethal plover]

^

[uncut hamlet]

Psyker was supposed to be the elite killer, based on the aura

[lethal plover]

I bet on axe surge

[uncut hamlet]

Psyker is not the elite killer

[weary wasp]

What if bb was instant but on constant CD per charge?

[ruby merlin]

Yep, true solo damnation, surge axe psyker just makes sense.

[lethal plover]

one surge to stop a dog, switch to axe to skip animation, and bye dog

[hardy lily]

I'm glad I haven't been using that peril block shit, I would have become dogshit at melee by now

[solar loom]

Yea, psyker isn't the damage monster it's supposed to be

[cold oasis]

At difficulty 4+ you gotta use a Surge, the other staves just aren't good enough

[bleak sonnet]

gun

[uncut hamlet]

That's a fat lie I only use purge

[ruby karma]

BB gets more powerfull per charge, consumes all :D

[lethal plover]

3 staves have their uses. only trauma is somewhere else in space

[warm rune]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DistantExemplaryAbyssiniangroundhornbill-mobile.mp4

[orchid nest]

similar to other suggestions I have seen. basically making it similar to pyros ult in v2

[warm rune]

Here we go

[hardy lily]

I want an alt fire for BB that makes it use all warp charges to nuke elites

[ruby karma]

Recently swapped to using fireball. Got lucky and rolled peril on weakspot and man. Its fun.

[uncut hamlet]

Saw a suggestion on the subreddit a while ago to make bb a dot. It'd do the same amount of damage in the same amount of time for the same peril, but having it be a dot would mean you could channel for a shorter time for a walker or longer for crusher

[cold oasis]

I love my Trauma staff too, don't get me wrong

[clear heath]

Everyone always says voidstrike is great, but i'm never that thrilled to have one on the team.
All they do is blast the trash melee hordes that i would've just used for toughess gain fodder

[lethal plover]

I have cleared damnation with all 3 staves easily

[mild lotus]

that's false

[cold oasis]

It's just that anything else doesn't compare to CCing the gun squads

[bright pike]

.

[weary wasp]

I just want my gameplay to feel fluid and not jank, man

[uncut hamlet]

Oh yea, the rail gun with weakspot hits all the dopamine centres

[signal turret]

Stuff dies so fast a BB dot would be uber trash

[hardy lily]

I agree I feel like Voidstrike isn't that important

[mild lotus]

yes, killing the gun squads

[lethal plover]

what?

someone likes trauma?

[warm rune]

I like trauma

It's not good, but I like it

[lethal plover]

I need to learn how you use it then

[weary wasp]

Void is a king of hallways

[warm rune]

Instant cast knockdowns in a huge aoe is awesome

[solar loom]

Every time I try difficulty 4 it's not my staff that screws me over, it's the fact that you simply die when 10 guys sneak up on you while you're looking the other way.

[uncut hamlet]

I wish it was better. I liked conflag a lot on sienna

[lethal plover]

good thing now you know about peril block eh

[uncut hamlet]

So trauma felt underwhelming to me immediately

[cold creek]

Do you guys think this is worth buying? Perks seem really nice its just the low ilvl that makes me wonder if I should save my point since the shop reset before i hit lvl 30

[uncut hamlet]

But I still like the sound and visual effects

[mild lotus]

when a horde is called, you know there'll be 30+ trash mobs coming from one single direction, making a virtual hallway

[ruby merlin]

@solar loom I mean heresy is super easy still, you just position better and use LoS more.

[ruby karma]

Actually, the idea wouldnt be too bad.
Make it deal damage as soon as you start charging, with higher and higher damage the higher your peril.
When something dies due to the channel, they pop.

[warm rune]

Save it

[uncut hamlet]

If the stats were better that would be a God roll. Unfortunate

[ruby merlin]

I'm pretty interested in seeing how far the true solo runs have gotten.

[late gull]

The perks are godly. The stats are /fine/

[solar loom]

I mean, I would, but I'd have to make a team with people who care if I call them stupid if they don't.

[clear heath]

How are people even setting up true solo runs? Gettting 3 friends to just die and afk?

[ruby merlin]

@solar loom for heresy or damnation? You can pug both atm.

[bleak sonnet]

4 computers

[warm rune]

private lobbies when

[ruby merlin]

@clear heath And yeah, 3 friends and just let them jump off

[hardy lily]

Level 1 assassination 3 bots Speedrun with Duelist sword EZ

[lethal plover]

only at certain time of the day for damnation
damnation pub is a dead town unless it's fewer horde modifier

[bright cipher]

does quietitude scale with higher toughness from curios?

[ruby merlin]

or just go with bots and get them killed asap before people join during dead hours.

[uncut hamlet]

What do y'all think the next difficulty level will be called?

What would be a good name for it

[bleak sonnet]

fartshart mode

[bold flint]

warpstorm

[uncut hamlet]

LOL

[warm rune]

Chaos incarnate

[lethal plover]

Hel

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover Yeah, hopefully more people will queue damnation over time!

[mild lotus]

dark crusade

[weary wasp]

Fuck more difficulties, give chaos wastes

[bright cipher]

whale wharf with an added in raid cash shop

[ruby merlin]

We need the equivalent of damnation 3+ 😛

[solar loom]

I really like the Force Sword, is there any way to make it work for blocking?

[hardy lily]

Hell I guess

[bleak sonnet]

oh boy cant wait to do the same missions already in basegame except with less time in between

[ruby merlin]

@solar loom Force sword sucks because passive quell on it is much slower than on any other regular melee weapon.

[mild lotus]

peril block + deflector

[cold oasis]

With a good roll the damage is great for hordes, problem is the Peril gain is fucked

[mild lotus]

that's a non issue

[ruby merlin]

Deflector isn't that useful on damnation because if you have to use it, you mispositioned already.