psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

Also works well with submachine guns

[frigid pond]

again, its got a CD

[lethal plover]

man it got nerfed so hard

[frigid pond]

it popping on a random soft lad and then a crusher walks up its awkward

[low onyx]

Hello psykers, I am an Ogryn with a Bolter vet looking for a sparkhead to assist in a Disruption damnation

[ornate hamlet]

True, but thats a brain burst you dont have to cast and if you're ankle bitging a biggun...

[frigid pond]

you dont really need to cast BB often though?

[ornate hamlet]

not unless target is far away

[steady pollen]

does brainburst count for the kill 20 things in a row with headshots penance?

[frigid pond]

yeah

[willow dune]

Yes

[candid temple]

Yes, but there's nothing that makes that talent significantly better with duelist sword

[frigid pond]

like the trait itself is still a solid its okay

[bright cipher]

you can also just use surge staff normally and proc flayer off cd

[reef sparrow]

Honestly, I kinda wish Fatshark would make a game that just didn't care about balance. Zealots with infinite cleave. Psykers with no cooldown flayer. Sharpshooters who's volley refreshes on ALL headshot hits. Ogryns who's toughness gains stack infinitely when they kill.

[bright cipher]

[candid temple]

a 10% proc is so high that you will get it on cooldown constantly.

[lethal plover]

not only CD, but also chance, so kinetic flayer isn't big on my radar. I rather prefer warp battery to go with my peril resistance.

[frigid pond]

and yeah it doesnt have specific synergy with duelist

[ornate hamlet]

Your attack speed. You always want things that attack quickly.

[candid temple]

...

[reef sparrow]

Flayer procing on the chaff enemies who are right in front of the rager ALWAYS happens. 100% of the time

[frigid pond]

like dont get me wrong, duelist is good

[bright cipher]

ok but surge staff does like 30 procs per cast

[candid hawk]

I think i found something interesting with kenetic flayer

[ornate hamlet]

More attacks = more chance for proc.

[lethal plover]

peril resistance on 6 warp stacks is crucial if you spam staff or bb.

[frigid pond]

but you're listing the wrong reasons

[bright cipher]

so youll always peroc it

[willow dune]

For a game like that to work, they'd also need to not have multiplayer. (Which I would still buy in a heartbeat, it's just not the sort of game FS make)

[ornate hamlet]

Yes, but if you want a specific target to get it, switch to sword.

[lethal plover]

peril block also benefits from peril resistance

[candid temple]

it's a 10% chance, it will go in cooldown almost instantly if you're hitting multiple targets with anything.

[night marten]

the point is, it's proccing no matter what you use. the point is to be using damage that's precise (gun, specific melee attacks, staff primaries) if you want to use it effectively. at no point do you have to worry about whether you will be able to proc it on CD. the question is whether you're going to hit the right target.

[hazy ibex]

I think what people are trying to say is that it doesn't work specifically with the ability my guy. The ability is every 15 seconds you have a chance to smite something, it doesn't matter what weapon you are using. If you like to dueling sword use it, it just doesn't affect that ability at all.

[ornate hamlet]

I use it for hitting ogryns

[candid temple]

The point is that Kinetic Flayer doesn't have a significant synergy with fast attacks, because of the internal cooldown and high proc chance.

[night marten]

that's a good idea.

[frigid pond]

yeah like thats fine

[reef sparrow]

Probably. I'm also not a guy who loves difficult stuff, so meh.

[candid temple]

if it was 1%, then a faster weapon would be more noticeable.

[bright cipher]

im sorry but if ur using flayer for dps youre compeltely missing the point

[willow dune]

Think about it this way "once procced, the trait does nothing for 15 seconds" so you need to consider if the weapon you're using is great for those 15 seconds as well.

So yes, the duelling sword is still great, but because it can hold it's own. Not because it "combos well"

[wise pecan]

Or to put it at a slightly more reasonable number, even 5%

[candid temple]

why not? various ARPG's have coop and have crazy builds

[robust meteor]

has any psyker in here tanked damnation daemonhost?

i did it on malice without it even touching my stam

[frigid pond]

highest i've done is heresy, i dont see why not though

[reef sparrow]

The Rager's face when you hit a poxwalker and your Flayer proc goes off...

[frigid pond]

maybe more dodging will be needed/depends on whats pulled with her

[ornate hamlet]

I must be missing something, would you rather use a force sword to proc this or a duelist sword for the proc?

[wide quest]

I tried to tank one on heresy but I got cornered and barely made it alive

[candid temple]

Force Sword special is always ready tho

[frigid pond]

it doesnt matter which one

both will proc it

[bright cipher]

neither lol

:omeg

[frigid pond]

but yeah personally i dont run flayer

[bright cipher]

its a warp stack generator

not dps

[candid hawk]

SO your weapon stats do effect brain burst if your using kenetic flayer

[reef sparrow]

Why would you use Force Swords to proc Flayer?

[reef sparrow]

no

[ornate hamlet]

Which would proc it faster?

[candid hawk]

says otherwise

[frigid pond]

depends if its on cd LOL

which it probably will be

[night marten]

at a 10% proc chance, on a 15 sec CD, it truly doesn't matter.

[frigid pond]

because its like, always on CD

[bright cipher]

man rly talking about proccing flayer when surge and purg both proc it instantly

so does void

off cd

[frigid pond]

right

[bright cipher]

its basically never on cd

[lethal plover]

it certainly procs.
on a pox walker

[candid temple]

Never off cooldown that is

[ornate hamlet]

Missing the point, if you're using surge or purg, you cant choose where it procs.

[bright cipher]

yes

[frigid pond]

which means its just there to give warp charges

the damage isnt the point

[ornate hamlet]

Aight, I concede, I must be the only one using it tactically.

[candid temple]

If you need to choose where it procs, you're probably attacking a high priority target and would be nuking with heavy special attacks with a force sword anyway.

[frigid pond]

lol

do you just not attack every 15sec then until elites show up?

[reef sparrow]

Using a 10% chance tactically?

[candid hawk]

i had on 12% more weak spot damage with that weapon and my brain burst did 12% more damage from that proc then when i brain blast normally

[candid temple]

well tactically in that you attack an elite or boss maybe

[robust meteor]

i run it always. if it procs it procs

[frigid pond]

i dont even run it anymore

[candid temple]

well yes, you had sword out

[frigid pond]

6 stacks of warp charges just feels better

[reef sparrow]

Really? Huh. I didn't know that.

[ornate hamlet]

I see elites and I start tracking when it procs, when it procs,, I start counting. In PUGS on damnation, there's usually elites by that time, quite a few, actualy.

[candid temple]

whatever weapon you have out affects your everything.

[robust meteor]

it really has c ame in clutch with specials

[ornate hamlet]

Usually, I am aware enough that I dont need to account for the first proc

[reef sparrow]

6 stacks + Quicken?

[ornate hamlet]

sSince Im always watching for it

[night marten]

ascendant blaze 🔥

[wise pecan]

I like running 6 stacks with a purgatus build, and flayer with anything else

[frigid pond]

im testing essence harvest with blaze and purge

[candid hawk]

thats what im saying though, your weapons bonus weak spot damage effects brain burst. it doesnt do that when you normally use brainburst only when it procs from kenetic flayer. Maybe theres a way to use that to your advantage with high % of bonus weak spot damage

[hearty dagger]

Lads

[frigid pond]

but i was doing quicken before

[lethal plover]

6 stacks for peril resistance, for peril block

[shell fiber]

6 stacks would be nice, but without the 4% chance on elite stacks the vets will keep me below 4

[candid hawk]

like what about a laser rifle with 50% bonus crit weakspot damage does that add 50% to brain burst?

[candid temple]

be in coherence with the vets?

[lethal plover]

I use the 4% feat yeah.

[reef sparrow]

Honestly though, The real perk choice is Mind in Motion or Kinetic Shield.

[candid hawk]

that would be a brain burst for like 1200

[candid temple]

and it doesn't matter who kills?

[candid hawk]

with no stacks

[bright cipher]

what the fuck are u doing that u need to use flayer for dps

[robust meteor]

using dueling sword, you just end up dodging so much and rarely need to block more than 2 or 3 swings

[wise pecan]

Nice. What’s the difference between the Malice pants and the Heresy pants?

[bright cipher]

in what fucking scenario on damnation do u use flayer more than once on an elite?

[night marten]

why wouldn't you have 4% chance on kill?

[hearty dagger]

Literally just changes the skull thing to some scribbles

[ornate hamlet]

Skirmishing.

[bright cipher]

[lethal plover]

only 4% chance

[bright cipher]

aight bro

ur clowning fr

[candid hawk]

well for 1 it could be a breakpoint to 1 shot something in damnation that you normally wouldnt 1 shot

[ornate hamlet]

Just because you can't make it work doesn't make it not viable.

[candid hawk]

a 1200 + damage shot from range is pretty crazy

[robust meteor]

what are the actual breakpoints though

[bright cipher]

ok but ur a psyker, if ur taking out elites with a timed flayer proc ur doing something wrong big time

and ur team is dogshit

[shell fiber]

Cause I misremembered the feats lol

[frigid pond]

this is kinda true

force sword also gets the job done better too

[reef sparrow]

To be fair. Lacerations is a very good monster killer perk. Ever had a Ogryn hit a Monster who had Laceration debuff in the weak spot with his grenade box?

[frigid pond]

dont get me wrong i like duelist sword, but not for its elite killing

[bright cipher]

i basically never have to take out elites, my job is to cc specials, elites and ranged units for others to safely take out

psyker cc is basically a form of dmg mitigation

all that chip dmg ur team would take?

ccd

[surreal lichen]

Proud of you

[wide quest]

Only reason I run kinetic flayer is because I have the 15% CDR feat instead of communion

[candid hawk]

have fun playing how you want

lol

[lethal plover]

how much of the health bar on heresy / damnation?

[bright cipher]

youre basically playing a ret pally when holy and prot pally are S tier

[ornate hamlet]

It is contextual, sure. Normally I would use a staff to proc it, but if a certain target needs to die, I focus on that target. I keep a timer in my head. Of course, it's not 100% accurate, but if you use this talent enough, you get used to it.

[bright cipher]

you ARE the retpally

[candid temple]

isn't that because lacerations is bugged or something?

[bright cipher]

🤮

[wise pecan]

This is fair. Communion vs CD reduction is a hard choice

[reef sparrow]

Couldn't tell you - It was a lot.

[candid hawk]

i mean you can play meta slave ill be the one figuring out the new meta when it comes around xD

[frigid pond]

me clowning with purge

[candid hawk]

you can talk about what you read on the internet is S tier, ill keep trying new builds and having fun with it

[hearty dagger]

I'm proud of me too

[bright cipher]

intentionally playing against your classes strengths is lame as fuck and youre a hipster for doing it

its also dishonest to any teammate you have

[candid hawk]

im not playing against my class's strengths im exploring them

theres a difference

[shell fiber]

Play my way or you're bad!

[candid temple]

Not really, but it's fairly obvious what is mediocre and what isn't.

[bright cipher]

so youre playing an elite killer melee psyker with purg as backup

[candid temple]

This isn't rocketscience.

[bright cipher]

youre doing subpar dps

youre doing subpar cc

[frigid pond]

i mean my only issue with the duelist sword flayer debate is saying it as if those two items complement eachother

[bright cipher]

youre standing where you shouldnt stand

[frigid pond]

they kinda dont? its just any attack

[candid hawk]

lmao people havnt even gotten to experiment with blessing combo's and your trying to tell me whats meta and whats not

[bright cipher]

why doesnt your team just have another zealot or vet?

[frigid pond]

esp for a 10% proc

[candid temple]

we know all the blessings?

and there's nothing really groundbreaking with them

only one is maybe crit voidstaff with soulblaze stacks on crit blessing

but I doubt it's good, because soulblaze damage is a bit of a joke

[ornate hamlet]

Intentionally playing against your classes sstrengths and still succeeding is not being hipster and it is exactly the opposite of lame as you're showing the ability to move against the grain and adapt.
Being a FOTM chaser is to be sheep and to not broaden your horizons.

[lethal plover]

except deflector. that's groundbreaking

[devout axle]

Kinetic Flayer is better than either of the other two perks of its tier wut.

[lethal plover]

oh boi

[devout axle]

By a huge margin.

[bright cipher]

thanks for proving my point

[spark forum]

if you have a competent team purg can at east be decent in 4, i have major doubts about 5 tho

[frigid pond]

deflector is the only trait that ACTUALLY feels like an impact

[candid hawk]

i was just talking about how a kantreal has bonus 50% weapon spot damage as a blessing and hes clowning on that i mentioned it can proc kinetic flayer for over 1200 damage

[hearty dagger]

I go Force Sword Voidstrike not because i like meta or hate it but because i like it

[candid hawk]

just from the brain burst

[ornate hamlet]

Take it baaaah-ck.

[candid hawk]

like take the time to realize that some things could change what you see as the meta

[candid temple]

well so-so, you can actually run 6 charge if your team is good

[shell fiber]

It's a game, as long as you are not sabatoging your team use the build you like and have fun, if 10% less dps is screwing your team it's the game that's the issue

[frigid pond]

6stacks is nice with purge staff

[lethal plover]

and peril block + resistance

[ornate hamlet]

afk

[iron sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

Going something you like and not the meta build

[frigid pond]

imagine going meta, yall getting that in your shops?

[shell fiber]

I go force sword, recon las

[bright cipher]

playing to win with your team is too mainstream for some

[cobalt tartan]

lasgun on psyker 🤮

[bright cipher]

imagine being a slave that plays your class to its strengths

[frigid pond]

lasgun in general :(

[iron sundial]

Combat knife and las pistol

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but force sword 1HK most of the power enemies while having infinite dodges. And if you get deflection then it’s just not even close survivability wide

[lethal plover]

vote to kick

[devout axle]

And have to spend even more time paying attention to a terribly designed mechanic for a situational 6% damage boost that you don't get if you don't maintain those extra charges, instead of ... running a talent that gives me burst damage and helps me passively maintain the stacks of that said terrible mechanic. No thanks.

[shell fiber]

What people got against the recon las?

[frigid pond]

all im saying is purge staff soulblaze gives me a perm 6stack

which feels nice

[devout axle]

It's not a staff.

[cobalt tartan]

its not a staff, if you are a gun user go be a veteran

[frigid pond]

i dont even like it on vet, but thats just player bias haha

[robust meteor]

psykers be literally dying to keep up 6 warp charges

[wise pecan]

6 stacks is not for the 6% damage boost, it’s for the 12% extra peril reduction and the 4x damage increase on your ascendant blaze ult

[lethal plover]

what level and difficulty are we talking about

[tropic halo]

gun wizard

[shell fiber]

I usually play 3 or 4, it works great

[devout axle]

gib Psyker back shotgun pls

[tropic halo]

yeah wtf where did our shotgun go??

[shell fiber]

I miss the combat shotgun so much

[frigid pond]

hi heres void staff, be happy

yeah that is kinda funny that its gone lol

[devout axle]

No, I want shotgun

[bright cipher]

since the game uses dedicated servers this time around, how does it decide what server to go to?

[lethal plover]

for 3 your build doesn't matter. only from heresy endless horde onwards that it matters
but the matter is that psykers who gun basically have Vet envy. I would switch to my 30 Vet to actually have counterfire and camo expert

[bright cipher]

any time i see cyrilic on the team the lag is unbearable and im sliding around

[teal needle]

The medicae station just offered to heal my ravaged body

[tropic halo]

poor medicae servitor

he down bad

[devout axle]

I always feel bad using the last Medicae charge and hear it go "I have ... no purpose ... no purpose ... "

[steady pollen]

how come brain bursting 20 enemies hasnt given me credit for this penance

[ornate hamlet]

I don't run gun for vet envy, I do it for more challenge... #yolo

[shell fiber]

The gun is a secondary weapon for a reason

[frigid pond]

guns are alright on psy, but yeah staves are just better

[wise pecan]

And then you get hit with “Pieces of my mind are drifting away. Help me. Help me.” anyways

[willow dune]

No other kills between them

[robust meteor]

here's a sleeper build for you to try - voidstaff required

works well on damnation

[frigid pond]

isnt that just normal build

[burnt python]

2nd perk better than 1st in 2nd column, other than that my build is the same

[frigid pond]

they're not running commun or blaze so dunno how good 2nd perk would be

i guess flayer is decent

for keeping up stacks

personally i've been testing this with purge staff

its been interesting

[burnt python]

y ou still use bb a solid amount on damnation

[frigid pond]

might replace third row with 2

[burnt python]

theres a lot of shotgunners, bombers, gunners etc you can 1 pop

[frigid pond]

thats true

[steady pollen]

i've been doing nothing but brainbursting this whole mission and its not popping up. maybe it shows the penance at the end of the mission?

[willow dune]

Should pop up as soon as you hit it

[ornate hamlet]

yOu UsE bB oN dAmNaTiOn?! YuR dOiNg eEt WrOnG!

[willow dune]

What map is best for Cliffhanger penance?

[robust meteor]

bb is clutch over and over

[wise pecan]

“I have done nothing but brain burst this whole mission” has the same energy as “I have done nothing but teleport bread for three days”

[bright cipher]

so true

bb is for snipers and grenadiers

[steady pollen]

yea im straight up trolling this run and its not giving me the penance

[bright cipher]

and thats that

[robust meteor]

bb is better than standing around staring at the group

always be cliking

[bright cipher]

i mean i have no downtime from surging

[frigid pond]

i mean its true that bb does fall off a bit later

[devout axle]

I've found myself using BB more on higher difficulties than on lower ones. Don't let FS know people are saying that tho, or they might think its a well designed ability and put off fixing it.

[frigid pond]

but it does still have some uses, like with snipers and the such

[hearty dagger]

I prefer this, personally

[tropic halo]

They gotta buff quicken somehow, it's really not worth it

[frigid pond]

yeeeah....

kinetic deflection is just so good though

[scarlet lily]

Take the feat

[frigid pond]

i dunno what they could do to make it beat that

[austere burrow]

any kind of overall buff to warp charges would make it fine

[robust meteor]

im convinced people complaining about bb haven't found the psyker rhythm yet

[scarlet lily]

Oh read that wrong scratch that

[tropic halo]

all good

[austere burrow]

wdym psyker rhythm

[candid temple]

why would you ever be standing around?

instead of quelling or shooting

[austere burrow]

i can use it and still complain about it being kinda ass lol

[wet finch]

when to brainburst, when to use a staff, when to go melee

[robust meteor]

its ebb and flow with peril and positioning/weapon swapping

[left briar]

name something that's buzzing

[frigid pond]

i mean BB is kinda ass, its not AS bad as some people say/its UNUSEABLE, but it needs a buff

[devout axle]

People complaining about BB are people who don't use Kinetic Barrage. But that doesn't make BB a good ability. It just means Kinetic Barrage is an effective bandaid to cover up the problems BB has.

[vast oasis]

any flame psykers mind appraising this? thinking about consecrating to max

[tropic halo]

i wish whenever we overloaded on peril we had a random table of effects that happened rather than exploding very time. that would've been fun.

imagine switching characters temporarily with a teammate

[frigid pond]

ehhh its okay

[hearty dagger]

Honestly, main reason why i take bb heal and KB is it's both good to have and serves as an effective OH SHIT button if i'm in a tight spot.

[austere burrow]

like BB obviously has its uses for sniping things safely

[tropic halo]

but then again that's very short on the list of all the things darktide could do...

[austere burrow]

especially with faster BB

but it feels so booty that you don't even 1 shot flamers

[vast oasis]

what stats distribution would be best?

[bright wind]

just wanna make sure i am looking for the right stats on the purge staff. Burn, cloud and peril are my main desires right?

[frigid pond]

burn is fine, ideally high cloud raidus and warp res

everything else is kinda just ight

[modest magnet]

hey uhh boys, did I just land the god roll?

[frigid pond]

like its not bad

[bright cipher]

yes

[split elm]

It’s so damn fucked that force sword is the worst weapon for losing peril

[frigid pond]

cloud radius is a big one tho

[bright cipher]

well almost

quell speed

[split elm]

Maybe the staves are just as bad

[hazy ibex]

Why do you want to lose peril

[bright wind]

what does war res actually do?

[vast oasis]

ty

[hazy ibex]

peril's great

[bright cipher]

quietude

[hearty dagger]

Personally i like having Exorcist on it. I can use me staff, build up peril, then run in with the sword and land heads to get rid of peril more actively.

[frigid pond]

makes it so you can use the staff longer

[clear heath]

that quell speed is unfortunate
I would still kill for that staff tho

[frigid pond]

it effects how much peril you gen

[bright wind]

oh crap really?

[tropic halo]

mhm

[bright wind]

Why is burn not as important is that not like the main bit of the staff?

[modest magnet]

trust I did alot of killing for it

[mint fiber]

Do you want a low quell speed?

[bright wind]

ITs like an unlimited ammo flamer.

[frigid pond]

its not super needed in comparison to cloud radius/burn but its nice to have high

[robust meteor]

psykenetics wrath helps find a few breakpoints too

[night marten]

both BB and soulblaze in general fall off pretty hard in heresy+

that's not to say they're entirely useless, but their impact gets severely reduced

[hearty dagger]

Cerebral Laceration's also pretty good imo

Since it means that your pocket zealot gets to have a field day when you pop something and it doesn't die

[frigid pond]

finally a decent surge staff

[hearty dagger]

What does Psyker chat think of my staff?

[mint burrow]

I find the soulblaze talents (minus the capstone) not that useful, although purgatus + lvl 30 is really fun

[robust meteor]

i believe that's what we're discussing

[frigid pond]

soulblaze probably isnt worth it, but purge build is so fun

[modest magnet]

its mine but worse, you got the worst version of terrifying barrage

still good but could be twice as gooder

[mint burrow]

I wouldn’t take any of the talents other than the lvl 30 one

[hearty dagger]

Terrifying Barrage is pretty shit on voidstrike anyhow

[robust meteor]

how to make it useful without introducing too many weaknesses

[hearty dagger]

Also, anyone else notice something weird about me staff?

[keen pawn]

best feats to use when doing the 5 kills in 12 seconds? Been trying it for ages and always miss it by like 1 second or not enough ads

[wise pecan]

The base stats are very high, but the warp resistance is very low. I don’t know how warp flurry actually operates, so I can’t judge that

[modest magnet]

voidstrike with surge model

[frigid pond]

barrage is the only one that actually helps i think

the level 30 bottom one

[hearty dagger]

Yeah, i had a neuron activation when i saw what weapons the surge staff skins were available on

[clear heath]

wait what

you can use surge staff skins on voidstrike staves?

[night marten]

take the 10% brainburst on hit chance too. small chance you get a double-tap

[keen pawn]

welp, gotta get to 30 real quick then

[candid temple]

I want trauma skin on void

[frigid pond]

prettttttttty rng but yeah

[hearty dagger]

YUP. Any stave for that matter.

[keen pawn]

we do be looking dapper if i say so myself

[wise pecan]

The weapons that any skin (from the Ordo docket store) can apply to are listed on the weapon. The skins actually do change the model, too

[ocean phoenix]

Can someone explain what this does exactly

[hazy ibex]

if you charge your right click multiple times in a row it will charge faster

[wise pecan]

I believe if you just keep your right mouse button held down, that counts as chaining your secondary

[robust meteor]

how much damage does overload do when you explode and does armor mitigate any of it?

[ocean phoenix]

But do I have to fully charge it?

[night marten]

think of it like an aoe brain burst

[wise pecan]

Roundabouts of 600 last I checked

[hazy ibex]

I doubt it, but I don't know

Perhaps test it in the pyksaratioum

[hearty dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049456470955135016/20221206014501_1.jpg agreed brother

[jovial frigate]

rip

[night marten]

sibling?

[hearty dagger]

SIBLING?

[wise pecan]

Here’s a question: when wearing a proper gas mask, do you hear the mask modified version of your character’s voice or the unmodified version?

[night marten]

unmodified

[robust meteor]

i've been testing the wrong dueling sword. thought my shit was completely broken

[wise pecan]

That’s disappointing. I thought my vet mask might have just not been masky enough to modify the voice

[night marten]

the ogryn beta helmet changes their voice to something ultra deep, or at least it did for mine

not sure if that's a bug/easter egg

[wise pecan]

I think they listed it as a known issue

[sharp oasis]

your discord pfp looks like something out of unreal tournament

[night marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M

[muted tundra]

Daily dose

[night marten]

I see it

[bright mica]

any way to make trauma staff viable at high lvl? I know some people main it and I'd see value in it if it had faster charge rate

I wanna see what blessings trauma mains might run maybe they know smth I don't

[night marten]

consensus currently is drawbacks don't really make it viable "endgame". peril cost too high, utility too low

[hearty dagger]

You have good taste, sibling

[ocean phoenix]

What are the best blessings to go for on a surge staff?

[bright mica]

to me the utility seems fine just charge rate is so ass

[ocean phoenix]

terrifying barrage and what else

[bright mica]

it's hard to beat purgatus for me tho

im also part of the gang

[night marten]

that said, if you find a good one feel free to try and make it work, would be neat if you found a meta use or something but I think they'll have to tweak it at some point

soulfire looks so good, nothing feels cooler than blasting heretics with listerine fire

[bright cipher]

terrifying barrage and focused channeling/warp flurry/warp nexus

[cobalt tartan]

these blessings and perks are pretty terrible right

[bright cipher]

run n gun yeah

[spice elm]

stupid question, but does brain burst just basically do flat damage? There's no way to massively boost it?

[night marten]

still not a terrible staff, definitely usable

[bright cipher]

yes

[night marten]

with a few exceptions, yea

[bright mica]

hard to drop purge when it has great stagger and horde-clear

[bright cipher]

?

[remote flume]

Anyone know when they gonna add new melee weapons for the psyker?

[cobalt tartan]

yeah ive been using it just fine, just waiting for crafting to get better perks on it

[bright cipher]

surge literally has hard stun

that lasts longer

and works reliably on all enemies

even specials and elites

[bright mica]

there is a lvl 30 feat that lets you buff it

[cobalt tartan]

surge is boring though

fire is cool

[unkempt juniper]

that feat doesn't buff the dmg, just the peril cost and charge time. unfourtunately.

[bright mica]

reliably my ass. it will shock every pox walker in the way of the trapper half the time

[bright cipher]

how is being in full control of the battlefield and completely shutting down ranged not fun

[ocean phoenix]

I have warp flurry currently on mine and I can't say I feel much of a difference

[bright mica]

all the while doing nothing against horde

[flint sky]

No except for a 10 second boost to cast speed

[hearty dagger]

So you hear it unmodified but others hear it modified?

[flint sky]

Enjoy 300 dps

[bright cipher]

this is what i use for surge staff anyways

[bright mica]

how are surge mains so insecure

your staff is good now stfu

[spice elm]

[night marten]

no, don't think there's any audible change to voice lines with or without the goggles/mask

[bright cipher]

?

its not a matter of opinion

[bright mica]

omfg

[cobalt tartan]

surge mains need to grow up

[bright cipher]

you want dmg?

void

you want cc?

surge

[bright mica]

so fucking annoying

[cobalt tartan]

you want swag?
purge

[bright mica]

you want both? purge

[robust meteor]

surge is great for pushing the map fast

[bright cipher]

lol

[bright mica]

/thead

[civic patio]

Which one?

[flint sky]

Kinda off base there

[cobalt tartan]

surge is good if you are afraid of specials and need to hold them still like the little baby you are so your teammates can kill them

[bright cipher]

except anything bigger than regular chaff will run through it

[bright mica]

It staggers crushers you dipshit

[flint sky]

I mean what else is a psyker gonna do in damnation

[cobalt tartan]

kill

[flint sky]

Other than cc hordes

[random dune]

Im struggling to do the "out with a bang" penance, I have no friends that play this game and I dont want to ruin lobbies by trying to kill myself over and over.

[ornate hamlet]

Let's be fair, surge has some fair damage to it. About half of what the void can push out.

[bright cipher]

being able to reliably disable anything is what psyker is good for

[flint sky]

Elites? With what lmao

[bright mica]

i hate psyker mains so much oh my god

[crude bear]

surges is prety decent if u sprint cancel with the secondary it makes the dmg of all your lightning ticks go off asap

[bright cipher]

sprint cancelling reduces both dps and cc duration tho

[night marten]

start games asap with bots, try to get it in the first pack (typically contains enough elites). reroll until you don't get ogryns, soften up elites with purge or surge staffs. should be straightforward. repeat for Pick n Mix penance

[crude bear]

and is spamable just be wary of chargerate

[ornate hamlet]

You hate a specific demographic of them.

[cobalt tartan]

with swag? hello?

[flint sky]

Play another class and get some perspective on how limited psyker is in variety

[hearty dagger]

Imho trauma is better than surge

[flint sky]

Staff cc slave or staff stun slave or staff cc slave with a little stagger

[cobalt tartan]

sits in psyker text channel and spams "psyker is worthless all you can do is stun people, by the way i only use the staff where i can stun people"

[bright cipher]

like its cool that you like purgatus but saying its good is very much an opinion

[bright mica]

I'm lvl 30 on every class and none are more insufferable than surge one tricks

[random dune]

@night marten whats the best way to get in games with bots? they always fill up

[robust meteor]

thats like saying a shotgun is better than a sniper rifle

[runic hornet]

spicy opinion: lasgun psyker

[night marten]

just gotta start as fast as you can. optionally, wait for a map to timeout on the mission board. less likely you'll get team mates quickly that way (only quickplay will join you). this will be less of an issue once private lobbies become a thing

[bright mica]

"surge is objectively best" christ

[cobalt tartan]

the most wrong opinion

[ornate hamlet]

To be fair anything being "Good" is a matter of opinion and context of use.

[bright mica]

berating me for having an opinion while forcing yours down my throat

[flint sky]

Its not worthless it just has no variety

[bright mica]

you're literally so fucking annoying

[hearty dagger]

Both do decent CC at piss range though

[runic hornet]

You can hit 1-shot breakpoints on heresy with the mg12, with +flak and +unarmored
Doesn't scale to damnation unfortunately

[bright cipher]

dipshit, annoying, flaming psyker players, whos berating who exactly?

[cobalt tartan]

no lasguns are jut cringe

[bright cipher]

just close the channel lmao

you dont have to be here

[random dune]

@night marten what difficulty do you recommend to do it? highest for most chance of elites?

[cobalt tartan]

not saying they are bad lol, i think if you want to gun efficiently, just play veteran

[night marten]

high intensity is good if you can find it

[bright cipher]

if you want to do quick, efficient and consistent damnation runs with a good team you run surge

simple as

[flint sky]

Channel for discussion on psyker - NOOOO DONT DISCUSS THAT!!!

[bright cipher]

if you wanna roleplay you do something else

which is fine

[bright mica]

ngl did you consider using mg12 on Zealot :^)

[hearty dagger]

You would dare talk shit about the Emperor's flashlight?

[runic hornet]

Veteran doesn't get:

1. a CC ult available instantly on demand without needing to draw a grenade
2. force sword push+pushattack, with deflector

[bright cipher]

youre allowed to do that

[runic hornet]

I already do

[night marten]

try it on malice. you only need 3, and their HP is lower than on heresy/damnation.

[runic hornet]

If I could take an mg12 on my ogyrn, I would

[ornate hamlet]

Gatekeeping is a thing apparently.

[cobalt tartan]

yes i agree with you, veteran is also cringe

so, i understand

[flint sky]

Gatekeeping is good

[hoary warren]

Ayo peeps ive been working on a fix for darktides fps, if any of you are struggling getting good frames dm me, YA BOY FIXED THE GAME. You will get 40%-60% better performance

[bright wind]

Has anyone done Mallus Monstronum?

[bright mica]

Gatekeeping aka surge copium

[random dune]

@night marten is there a particular map that has a good chance of elites at start

[bright wind]

The penance?

[ornate hamlet]

Nah, because it suppresses diversity in thought and encourages the bandwagon mindset

[bright wind]

Like i am looking at this its a heresy monstrosity that wants you to deal 90% damage with brain burst and kill it

[flint sky]

Yeah vet just gets +50% damage on his already best in class damage

[robust meteor]

does Rampage just not work?

[bright cipher]

Again, it's ok to have an opinion even if it's wrong

[flint sky]

Spoken like a true mop

[night marten]

most of them do, the Logstratum and I think maybe Torrent as well?

[robust meteor]

because it doesn't look like Rampage works

[runic hornet]

+50% damage on lasgun doesn't help you kill riflemen when you already 1-shot them (on heresy)

[cobalt tartan]

surge mains coping with their terrible staff, i guess you are entitled to your wrong opinion

[bright cipher]

But talking about being efficient in a teamcomp you bring surge

[frigid pond]

i just think tis funny cuz like

[runic hornet]

it's a fun build carried by the fact I have a +flak +unarmored lasgun

[bright cipher]

Hard cc with near no downtime is what only psyker has

[runic hornet]

on my psyker

[bright cipher]

No other class

[flint sky]

Riflemen? Who cares you one shit them regardless it's for elites and bosses

[frigid pond]

surge is good? void is good? they're all good (other then trauma but im even warming up to that)

[ornate hamlet]

A sheep would be familiar with a mop. FOTM chasers want the easiest build and don't want to challenge themselves because game hard.

[frigid pond]

so its like, whatever

[flint sky]

If I wanted easy I would play vet

[night marten]

plenty of people have done it, either requires a pre-made or a cooperative pug group. hardest part is just getting people to agree not to shoot it

[flint sky]

Yet here I am

[frigid pond]

surge is best yeah sure (if ur team comp handles the other areas)

[bright mica]

You're dogshit at the game and spamming your autoaim lighting doesn't make it the best option, you're just too bad to use anything else without downing 4 times a match

[frigid pond]

but so will void depending on comp

funny how the game works like that

[cobalt tartan]

no siris you have to understand, surge is the best staff and if you use anything else, you are trolling. psykers are not allowed to deal damage to elites, or hordes, or anyone. only CC

[ornate hamlet]

Pretending you can't fotm a psyker xD

[frigid pond]

damn you right

[flint sky]

Exactly the point most of us make but these guys out here playing oppression Olympics

[bright cipher]

You've done nothing else but gone for personal attacks, try to bait better at least pease

[ornate hamlet]

So FOTM psyker is hard for you huh?

[bright cipher]

You've contributed nothing but insults while calling others toxic

[runic hornet]

For heresy quickplay I've been finding that pugs can actually handle elites and bosses
But pugs are allergic to shooting basic riflemen

[bright cipher]

Bad bait

[flint sky]

Not familiar with the term

[runic hornet]

So, if I want money/drops on my psyker, I'm gonna play lasgun psyker

[frigid pond]

AND FOR THIS REASON

i find purge staff the "best"

[bright mica]

Purgatus literally does CC on everything except mutant but it's bad because Wagner can't aim a fucking cone

[runic hornet]

Purge staff helps you kill rifles?

[frigid pond]

yeah

lol

[runic hornet]

REALLY, now

[frigid pond]

the range is very long

[cobalt tartan]

fire staff range is kinda nuts

[runic hornet]

It's not THAT long

[frigid pond]

test it

[ornate hamlet]

Fit of the month/flavor of the month.\

[runic hornet]

maybe 20 meters tops?

[flint sky]

I've noticed, even good players can fall into the trap

[rocky osprey]

psyker laspistol gang rise up

[bright mica]

Suppresses them, they can't fire at you when on fire as well

[frigid pond]

pretty much, i dont need to actually be the one to kill them, i just create an opening

[runic hornet]

the lasguns that kill people tend to be far off though, like easily 30+ meters in the big rooms, you know the ones

[flint sky]

That brings me no closer to actually understanding what your actually trying to say

[runic hornet]

The lasguns are scattered throughout like the desert map rooms, and players just play as if they aren't even there, and then everyone is fucking dead and wonders what happened

[hearty dagger]

I do like the purge staff but voidstrike's raw versatility is too good imo

[bright cipher]

Mikhail thinks playing psyker to its strengths and what it's good for is flavor of the month meta chasing

[bright mica]

It's not what purg is good at but purg at medium range can shut down guardsmen better than the average surge staff main realises

[runic hornet]

that's my argument for heresy quickplay lasgun psyker, because if I'm going to play quickplay, I want to be able to kill FUCKING RIFLEMEN

[frigid pond]

people are going to argue tooth and nail about surge vs void vs purge all day because they cant wrap there head around the fact that they're all good depending on team comp

hell maybe even trauma has a foot here

[runic hornet]

Is it best psyker? lol no

[bright mica]

Exactly this is true

[ornate hamlet]

THen maybe you should do some research and catch up on basic gaming community terminology instead of trying to pick a fight with someone you don't understand.

[cobalt tartan]

let me dumb this down for the surge staff users. FOTM is flavor of the month, meaning, its the current meta. Until something gets nerfed or something else gets buffed you will always use what is best and most meta aka the best stuff

[bright cipher]

Ok bro now you're just fishing

[frigid pond]

i mean i hate trauma dont get me wrong

but some people have had some valid arguements

[bright mica]

Surge is good but its overrated and has a low skill ceiling eat my ass

[hearty dagger]

I actually ran trauma for a bit

[runic hornet]

trauma apparently does better damage to elites is what someone argued

but not by much

[frigid pond]

id like to test it some more recently

[hearty dagger]

It was actually pretty good.

[frigid pond]

but i havent seen one so

i cant haha

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, I avoid FOTM BECCAUSE it is easy.

[flint sky]

Ok but I prefer void personally surge is just the best option with a competent team

[flint sky]

Damn so badass

[cobalt tartan]

idc what you prefer i was just defining the words for small brained individuals

[hearty dagger]

Though i got one with high 300 to 400'ish damage so that might be why i like the trauma

[bright mica]

Purgatus sweep because it has the coolest particle effects and no other reason

[ornate hamlet]

It does feel badass to be doing shit at top tier with things that the community says isn't supposed to work. Feels amazing, actually. You should try it.

[cobalt tartan]

purgatus would be even better if it ticked damage on your screen when people took fire damage

instead of just on-hit damage

[frigid pond]

this isnt why you should aim to play things imo tho its just spite and kinda meh imo

[flint sky]

His point was quite literally no existent it was just a random ad hom as is yours now

Trash opinions and trash people

[frigid pond]

just...play whatever you enjoy/have fun with and ignore everyone else lol

[cobalt tartan]

i dont have a point, i was just explaining what FOTM was to you

[runic hornet]

if we wanted to ignore people we wouldn't be in chat

[frigid pond]

what people say doesnt....really matter

[ornate hamlet]

Spite? No, just looking to do what other people can't because apparently its too hard.

[bright mica]

Purgatus should blast your ears with TF2 hit sound effects with every burn tick

[frigid pond]

truu

[cobalt tartan]

what you say matters Siris 🙂

[runic hornet]

[homeimprovementnoise.wav]

[frigid pond]

gross D:

[flint sky]

I know what flavour of the month is I just never heard the acronym chill retard

[hearty dagger]

Whenever i run purge and do a full charge secondary i uncontrollably yell "BURN IN HOLY HELLFIRE" over vc

[robust meteor]

i should just use thing thing

[runic hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LehNm4VVqJI

[cobalt tartan]

no need to be rude because you dont understand acronyms its okay little surge user

[flint sky]

Just giving back what I get brainlet

[wide quest]

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding

[split elm]

If the ”Soul Blaze kills gives you stacks” feat actually worked consistently Purgatus would be quite nice

[frigid pond]

the other thing is people geting so defensive like good lord

[glass badge]

Going out with a bang penance. Is it only able to be gotten by killing elites, or elites & Specialists?

[frigid pond]

from both sides

[frigid pond]

it does?

[runic hornet]

dang, can you hit 1-bodyshot melee scab with that?

[split elm]

It does, a little, sometimes

[frigid pond]

purge burn counts for soulblaze

it has to be the burn itself

[robust meteor]

not sure i haven't used it much

[frigid pond]

feels pretty good, i've been testing it a lot

[flint sky]

Or misinterpret the actual point in what you say by jumping to the defence of their waifu staff

[frigid pond]

soulblaze in general is kinda sad

[split elm]

Yeah, but it’s incredibly inconsistent

[hearty dagger]

It does?
Oh hell yeah

[frigid pond]

you're throwing names around, you're in it to

[cobalt tartan]

i wish soulblaze feats did anything 😦

[frigid pond]

def overreacting

[rocky osprey]

Hey guys, is pick n mix bugged right now? It doesn't seem like i'm getting credit

[night marten]

it does, but just the dot, not direct damage

[flint sky]

Only give what I get

[frigid pond]

its really hard, might just be barely missing it

[frigid pond]

which is childish, move on

[long wharf]

12s isn't as long as you think it is

[flint sky]

Na

[frigid pond]

ight

[cobalt tartan]

agreed smh these surge mains am i right siris

[night marten]

I don't think so

[long wharf]

I'm pretty desperate to get Pick n Mix done, myself

[frigid pond]

i mean its both, i dont really care

pick n mix is tough

[rocky osprey]

I mean I just popped 5 ragers in a row without pause so

except to cleanse

[frigid pond]

i kinda wanna say its the hardest penance

[runic hornet]

which one is that, again

[muted tundra]

Warhammer fans are worse than most warhammer games by in large

[glass badge]

Assuming its specific with its wording, you have to pop 5 different things. So if you pop a gunner, you cant pop another gunner.

[robust meteor]

its the one i've had the most trouble with

[long wharf]

if you did it without the lvl30 feat, you weren't fast enough

[frigid pond]

kill 5 different elites within 12 sec with brain burst

[night marten]

you meant ult? shouldn't be meditating

[wide quest]

Move on dear sibling, the space toilet is calling to you from deep beyond the warp.

[flint sky]

5 enemies brain burst in a certain time frame

[runic hornet]

Oh
I got that one by accident

[frigid pond]

nice

[rocky osprey]

I did it with the faster 30 feat yes, and cleansed with ult

[hearty dagger]

Boys, staff arguements aside
Which class y'all like playing with most? As in having a teammate of said class

[frigid pond]

its probably easier with the level 30 trait but its tough

[runic hornet]

Yeah I play with the level 30 trait

[cobalt tartan]

a surge main could never tbh, too busy not doing damage to kill anyone, good stuff.

[wide quest]

Vet or ogryn

[cobalt tartan]

ogryn 100% i like to shoot fire through shield

[night marten]

should start with 1 normal, ult, then hit the other 4

[runic hornet]

killed some elites and specials and it dinged

vOv

[frigid pond]

good ogryn

makes me feel safe lul

[robust meteor]

anyone done the damnation challenge where no one takes any feats?

[rocky osprey]

This is what I think happened. I know for sure the speed was good, only thing I can think of was it's 5 ragers instead of 5 different enemies... which is dumb lmao

[hearty dagger]

I like the big boys too. They're great to have around.

[frigid pond]

that shouldnt be the case

[runic hornet]

ogyrn teammate is fun because he blocks the veteran from shooting things you want to kill
While you throw voidstrike and even BB through ogyrn pall

[night marten]

don't think that's true

[long wharf]

if it requires different enemies, then there shouldn't be a time limit on it

IMO

[warm matrix]

Alright y'all. Which is better?

[frigid pond]

i think it says different as in not the same unit itself

[runic hornet]

eh, 5 diferent enemies is not hard on heresy

[long wharf]

I'm having a hell of a time

[warm matrix]

Does crit matter for surge?

[night marten]

both mediocre, but first

[frigid pond]

but different is doable so maybe that is the case

[runic hornet]

most "elite squads" have all 3 kinds of elites in them, and a special wave will have 2 specials easily

[warm matrix]

I assume you mean left?

[runic hornet]

You can kill a rager, a gunner, a flamer, a bomber, and a netter

[frigid pond]

both are kinda bad, but yeah left

[bright cipher]

Ogryn with a shield, followed by a competent vet

[runic hornet]

all of those are one-hittable

[glass badge]

Its the "Mix" of "Pick and mex"

[spring nest]

great another mission bugged

[bright cipher]

Zealot is just like, there?

I'm sure they do something cool

[warm matrix]

It's the only shit this damn merchant will give me

[runic hornet]

a good zealot kills things with evis

[warm matrix]

10 fucking shop rolls in two days

[cobalt tartan]

thats it im going to the ogryn chat

[runic hornet]

a bad zealot memes with knife, does nothing, then complains when everyone else dies while he is busy "kiting"

[frigid pond]

zealots are nice but i never really see them

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/KS0bX9HJ4GCJF/d1337Oezwogi?invite=cr-MSx4Uk8sNDg2MDU3NTUs I will never stop posting this about knife

[frigid pond]

me, im the zealot with a knife being bad

speed is fun though

[ornate hamlet]

is there a no bb build?

[long wharf]

no.

[frigid pond]

not really

[hearty dagger]

I have seen a knife zealot do things that should not be physically possible to do with a knife, like nuking a monstrosity

[runic hornet]

I mean... you always have hte option of using it, and sometimes it's correct when you have literally nothing better to do
Not often, though

[robust meteor]

yes it does

[night marten]

lol fighting a bunch of poxwalkers in a doorway isn't that crazy, but it's a fun video anyway

[runic hornet]

if that's the bleed/haymaker build that's pretty much exploit-tier

bleed ticks proc haymaker for instakills

also monstrosities take massive bleed damage, it is the one thing bleed stacks do well

[bright cipher]

One of the fastest runs I had was me and 3 competent vets

I just ccd everything on front of us

And they gunned it fown

Chaff or elite

[frigid pond]

vet is probably the best class

[bright cipher]

15 minute run

[frigid pond]

which is kinda funny considering the toughness bug that used to be in the game

[tropic halo]

🤣

[bright cipher]

Vet is Fatsharks precious baby

And can't be weak

[muted tundra]

Just use a Las gun, you're a vet with extra steps

[maiden quarry]

Anyone have tips for getting the boss solo penance done if I don't have a group to que with?

This shit is torture for me and my teams

[frigid pond]

i... really think that needs a group

[muted tundra]

You said the tip

[maiden quarry]

Well, I don't have one.

[frigid pond]

unless you find pugs that are nice enough

[maiden quarry]

What else.

[frigid pond]

just gotta ask

[maiden quarry]

.-.

[hearty dagger]

I've seen vets be anything from stupider than an ogryn to the smartest karkers i have ever seen

[cobalt tartan]

lfg in this discord

[frigid pond]

there really isnt...

[night marten]

have a copy/paste line ready to put into chat asking the pug group to be cooperative. how I got mine

[bright cipher]

Use lfg on discord

[wide quest]

The amount of push in this video is concerning

[runic hornet]

kill your whole team with a barrel when the boss appears
...that's pretty much the only way I can imagine doing it without a 4-stack

[frigid pond]

like you need to find a group, there isnt another way unless you get really lucky talking to the randoms

[maiden quarry]

#GameDesign

[zinc phoenix]

I’m definitely gonna ask next time I run into a plague ogryn because they’re very manageable

[maiden quarry]

Yeah, been trying to ask randos to no luck so far.

Either boss is fine to solo, just a lot of uncooperative folks.

[frigid pond]

honestly daemonhost is the easiest

[maiden quarry]

Sucks to have to put your team in that position, but I mean, until it changes

[frigid pond]

if you get a group

[runic hornet]

only in back half, when he's clearly figuring out that what he's doing isn't working

[maiden quarry]

Yeah, but you NEED an ogryn, with a shield, on the right map conditions.

[frigid pond]

nah

[maiden quarry]

Lots of RNG behind that, so I'm not planning on it

[frigid pond]

psy can tank

[runic hornet]

nothing "right map conditions" about it

every map has walls, last time I checked

[maiden quarry]

They only spawn on lights off or vision obscured maps

[night marten]

don't think I've run a heresy map without demon in it, and 1 or two monstrosities

[maiden quarry]

Map conditions

[runic hornet]

just need a 4-stack with a shield ogyrn to do it

you DO have to RNG into a daemonhost but you don't need a specific map

[wide quest]

Man slowly cornered himself

[runic hornet]

and they're actually fairly common

[maiden quarry]

Not specific map, map conditions. Like endless horde, lights out, etc.

[frigid pond]

i mean im only saying shes easiest, others are def fine too

[maiden quarry]

Literally never seen one outside of them.

[frigid pond]

nah she spawns on any

its just rng

[runic hornet]

daemonhost definitely spawns on any map

[maiden quarry]

Even more rng

[frigid pond]

i see her almost everyone mission LOL

[night marten]

on heresy? make sure you're queing up the right difficulty, they're on nearly every single map I've run

[long wharf]

god damn you Sour Milk, why do you hate me so

[maiden quarry]

I'm not surprised, just disappointed

[runic hornet]

citation: I discovered it when a voidstrike ball went to narnia

[maiden quarry]

Yeah, Heresy or higher is the requirement for the penance

[frigid pond]

most of the heresy+ penances need team co-op

which im kinda fine with tbh

[maiden quarry]

That's hardly teamwork

[frigid pond]

almost like its a team game

[maiden quarry]

That's making yourself a burden

[frigid pond]

?

[maiden quarry]

There's ways to do boss challenges without hampering the team down

Or other challenges for that matter

[runic hornet]

it would have been the right move with a weapon that could actually kill, honestly

[maiden quarry]

Lots of them make you straight up less useful to your team.

[runic hornet]

that room he was in is THE clutch room on that finale

[frigid pond]

i mean ill admit some are weird like zealots hp one and the blowing up one, but those arent even too bad

[maiden quarry]

Zealot "die then rush", or no ranged weapon fire.

[runic hornet]

But, he discovered his knife literally couldn't keep up with the spawns

[tropic halo]

yeah i did the monster penance but im not gonna try to justify doing it. it was just dumb. blowing up one too.

[maiden quarry]

They feel like Vermintide achievements, without the level of control we have in Vermintide.

[runic hornet]

Knife is not good.

[frigid pond]

no ranged is just every zealot anyway even without the penance lul

[maiden quarry]

They just suck from a teamplay perspective

[runic hornet]

Fun, but not good.

[loud ibex]

is that any good

[maiden quarry]

You shouldn't have to beg strangers to not participate, or vice versa.

[frigid pond]

oof that pen tho

[night marten]

this conversation has been had like 100 times, no one disagress. find a cooperative pug, or go lfg it. demon spawns on nearly all heresy maps, monstrosities certainly do

[runic hornet]

25% penetration, throw it in the bin

penetration is extremely important

[raw breach]

Knife is only good for heavy>slide movetech silliness and push attack spam to do crazy damage

[runic hornet]

dumpstats on antax are mobility and cleave targets

[maiden quarry]

I'm sure it has, just seemed like some folks here were a little excited about defending it :v

[runic hornet]

you can dump cleave targets because it physically won't cleave past most enemies anyway, so cleave targetse does literally nothing

[frigid pond]

im just saying its not a super hard challenge

[maiden quarry]

Initially was just asking if anyone had any tips or tricks other than RNG or prestack.

[frigid pond]

but yeah there isnt any tips

[maiden quarry]

It's not hard at all, it's about the complete lack of cooperation .-.

[loud ibex]

@runic hornet is it that bad

[west current]

Worth?

[maiden quarry]

I could solo bosses all day long man, the difficulty ain't the kicker

[lethal plover]

Need higher res

[runic hornet]

a low penetration roll will make you go from being able to 2-shot melee scabs, to 3-shot

[frigid pond]

i mean ideally when they add private games itll be fine

[runic hornet]

Penetration roll is very important for scab-killing

[maiden quarry]

Sure, but here we are without much else endgame in the meantime

[frigid pond]

ye res too low, thats ur main stat for surge

[runic hornet]

also nerfs your damage hard against maulers... armored ragers... reaper bodies...

[maiden quarry]

Just trying to make do with what I've got for now.

[runic hornet]

you go from "okay" damage on crushers to "literally nothing"

tl;dr Don't dump penetration

[loud ibex]

@runic hornet so if pen was higher that would be a decent weapon

[frigid pond]

combat axe is great yeah

[runic hornet]

...looking at it further, still no

Limbsplitter, lmao

[frigid pond]

oh lul

[runic hornet]

and a low power-on-hit roll, there's one that can get up to ~17.5%

stacking 5 times

[raw breach]

not bad

[frigid pond]

oh shit new hour

thats why we're seeing weapons agian

[runic hornet]

it basically has no talents

[frigid pond]

i see

[runic hornet]

and a bad penetration roll

[tropic halo]

melk's so useless now

[runic hornet]

that combat axe is doomed, pick another

[burnt python]

blessing reroll when

[raw breach]

GOOD QUESTION

[frigid pond]

melk why do you hate me

[loud ibex]

my vendors suck constantly haha

[main jay]

Whats the typical surge staff build?

[frigid pond]

well thats just sad

[elder rivet]

what is the max rating of modifiers you can get on weapon, 370 ?

[frigid pond]

380 i think

[night marten]

ready for the rerolls

[cloud maple]

What's the best melee choice for psy?

[elder rivet]

oh

[frigid pond]

probably force sword

[elder rivet]

380 ?

[night marten]

it's 380, currently

[elder rivet]

ok

[main jay]

I just got a 380 wasn't max stats sadly

Still v good

[dim cradle]

Force sword is really quite good! Unlimited dodges, and the ability to block ranged if you get lucky with that blessing 🙏

[night marten]

( )

[long wharf]

yes, but force sword has awful passive quelling

[elder rivet]

yeah I thinks it's impossible to have like 100% damage, I've never see a weapon with more than 80%

[hoary warren]

anyone tryna run some lvl 4's/ 5's?

[frigid pond]

thats not really an issue though?

[night marten]

that is max stats right now

[cloud maple]

I had one in my psy's 10's but it seemed to be a lot of warp charge for no real payoff.

[long wharf]

can be if you want to be a shield/tank

[frigid pond]

ideallly you shouldnt be tanking that much in one instance

[night marten]

the mid FS I'm using (with deflector )

[frigid pond]

im debating upgrading mine

it has deflector but...god the stats

[elder rivet]

do modifiers rating can goes up by upgrading a weapon ? or it will never change anyway

[frigid pond]

so sad

[oak falcon]

Can someone confirm if there's a chance to get +2 wounds on a legendary curio? I could of swore I saw one on my mystery acquisition in the pre-order beta, but now I'm second guessing myself

[frigid pond]

but hey its got deflector so :')

[dim cradle]

It's a super versatile weapon, but takes some getting used to. I didn't like it at first 🙅‍♂️ -an elegant weapon for a more civilized age

[rough ibex]

anyone got a picture of the 2hand force sword everyone is talking about?

[night marten]

there's only a couple seconds in the trailer that hints it might be a thing, far as I know

[ornate hamlet]

Nice stick.

[elder rivet]

yay or nay ?

[ornate hamlet]

def yay

[grizzled hemlock]

is it here where you find teams to do challenges?

[frigid pond]

mmm, burn is good, but eeeh the warp res and range is a little sad

its not bad though

[elder rivet]

yeah i know it's a flame throwing one but the game is only giving me this, like

[frigid pond]

purge is really good imo

[elder rivet]

I only get trauma and purge

[solar remnant]

Solid stats can carry you for a while I think

[main jay]

good for surge staff?

[elder rivet]

ok ty

[long wharf]

I run that only diff is 4th perk is middle

[loud ibex]

that dagger any good?

[night marten]

want the second talent in tier 2 for surge imo

[frigid pond]

id lean more to first perk being the third one

[solar remnant]

So far my highest is a purge staff with 380 modifier score

[frigid pond]

for that build

[night marten]

need all the resist you can get, and the damage doesn't matter

[bright cipher]

Go 321133

[night marten]

that's max

[ornate hamlet]

y/n?

[frigid pond]

eh

[night marten]

eh

[frigid pond]

yeah? its okay?

thats like, painfully average

[ornate hamlet]

how i felt as well

[solar remnant]

I swear I thought I saw someone with 385 but I'm probably trippin

[ornate hamlet]

havent seen a decent one yet

[runic hornet]

meh finesse, meh cleave, it's an average weapon since mobility is the dumpable stat

[left mirage]

is there an option in the meat grinder to test builds vs enemies like daemonhosts, etc

like let them attack and whatnot

[frigid pond]

i wish

[left mirage]

aw

[loud ibex]

is that a decent forcesword - the +1 stam

[runic hornet]

no deflector, no buy

[frigid pond]

i hate that this is kinda true

[runic hornet]

deflector is the main reason to use a force sword, if you don't want to use deflector, pick a better weapon with more kill power like a chainsword or even combat axe

[loud ibex]

exorcist no good?

[frigid pond]

exocist is good, id def keep the sword

[night marten]

*dueling sword too

[loud ibex]

combat swords no good?

[runic hornet]

exorcist is extremely meh unless the rest of the force sword is worth using

[elder rivet]

when we will be able to reroll the blessings it might be good tho, keep it until you get something better

[runic hornet]

because you get better passive quelling with a non-forcesword melee weapon

[frigid pond]

they havent given us a date for crafting system

[runic hornet]

definitely keep it, but like, it's not even 7/10, it's thoroughly mid

[frigid pond]

just heard "December" so yaknow how it is

[night marten]

gotta be fucking rough as a dev with christmas looming trying to pump out a crafting system

[loud ibex]

@runic hornet is that worth upgrading at all or is it useless?

[night marten]

talk about stressful

[frigid pond]

i dislike dagger on psy

personal pref for me though

[runic hornet]

if it's not on zealot, knife is worthless regardless of blessings/perks (outside of lacerate/haymaker memes)

[cosmic brook]

worth?

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/KS0bX9HJ4GCJF/d1337Jn47TM2?invite=cr-MSw1WlYsNDg2MDU3NTUs

[cobalt tartan]

meh

[frigid pond]

nah burn is too low

[runic hornet]

Knife is fun, but thoroughly mid at best, and usually bad

[loud ibex]

@runic hornet thanks

[night marten]

it's serviceable if you have nothing better and want to try out purge

[frigid pond]

unless its like, the only one you have/wanna try it its okay

[cosmic brook]

dang I need a new fire staff too, using a ilevel 300 one 😭

[runic hornet]

yeah, that's true of pretty much any weapon though

[frigid pond]

but as a fire staff, its very meh

[runic hornet]

always keep one!

[frigid pond]

yep

[spring nest]

finally got the hood now the mask

[night marten]

just get it (unless you have to spend weekly coins, in which case don't)

[cosmic brook]

unironically what I have right now

[cosmic brook]

1600 weekly space dabloons

[brave vale]

worth replacing?

[night marten]

gotta say I hate the current system, melk's rolls are so mid 90% of the time

[cosmic brook]

im still unironically considering it because the one I have now just seems bad and I wanna be more effective in diff4

[night marten]

dont think so

[grave owl]

I’d say just get it 🤷🏽 you can get more money or weekly coins but prob won’t see a decent flame staff for a while

[bold flint]

thats the funniest clip ive ever seen

[cosmic brook]

ye true

[next meteor]

Eh. Not really

[ebon jolt]

How do people get level 4 blessings?

[bleak sonnet]

if you're not able to clear t4 ur items prob arent the problem

[runic hornet]

RNG baybee

[grave owl]

Money and weekly currency comes and goes. Items are a pain in the butt to get something decent without crafting fully available

[ebon jolt]

I've never seen one after 140 hours

[bleak sonnet]

have done t4 on lvl 10s

[cosmic brook]

it's not that I can't clear it's just that a wanna be a better asset to the team, dingus

[frigid pond]

t4 with shit weapons suuuuuuucks

its just slow as hell

[runic hornet]

I was doing damnation with a 220 grey mg12
But that's because it's an mg12

[frigid pond]

fair lol

[runic hornet]

mg12, my beloved

[west current]

So you were carried?

[runic hornet]

when my psyker talks to his beloved, he's not talking about the emperor

He's just talking to his lasgun

[bleak sonnet]

we were all lvl10-20

[runic gate]

Wut

[frigid pond]

oh wait is that what they're doing

that makes sense...

i assumed it was just...silly psy talk

[runic hornet]

that's the running theory and some of the zealots say "if that really is the emperor you're talking to"

[frigid pond]

ahhh

i see i see

[rough ibex]

I saw one but that just looks like the sword we already have in the game, a heavy sword

[bleak sonnet]

what stat affects force sword special if any

[night marten]

I've gotten different numbers with damage, think finesse and first target can also play a role

[bleak sonnet]

gotcha

[night marten]

tough to test when there's multiple variables and a lack of control weapons

[bleak sonnet]

im trying to give it a chance since whenever i shit talk it here i get flamed

lol

[shadow quail]

itss a 2h and looks nothing like current force sword.

[lethal plover]

big dick energy jedi

[bleak sonnet]

my teammates dont go down like that tho

[lethal plover]

well at least they know they are in safe hands

[random dune]

anyone wanna help me with the "blow myself up and 3 elites" penance for psyker?

[lethal plover]

peril block is fucking hilarious

I was literally just holding block with combat axe, and doing push attack against a giant horde.
I legit wasn't even moving or dodging. just waiting for my team to reach the exit

[bleak sonnet]

axe 🤪🤪🤪

[hoary warren]

Pog?

[rough ibex]

is it this one?

[shadow quail]

yeah