psyker-class

[frigid pond]

that is ur job

[delicate acorn]

I know. That's why I feel as though BB is clunky. Instant BBs off some other mechanic (lets say getting 4 BBs off) or like... BBs still counting if an ally kills your target would be. So nice.

[frigid pond]

thats a feat?

[pine flax]

uhh I think this is extremely good, im not stupid am i?

[echo parrot]

But hey you do you, if you are really having that much trouble with ranged keep on as many layers as you want.

[hardy lily]

you know the train mission? I've had bombers throw nades from their SPAWN where you can't hit them

[echo parrot]

This isnt argument worthy

[frigid pond]

also warp charge upkeep is a joke with purge staff and soulblaze

[bleak sonnet]

you won darktide ggwp

[ebon jolt]

One time I had a bomber literally jump out of a mob spawn door and immediately explode and it ended my teams run 😂

[frigid pond]

im almost perma 6stacks

[echo parrot]

Stupid not, good yes.

[snow herald]

So for the revive trick you just block and start reviving and it blocks all incoming ranged damage as long as you have enough quell?

[delicate acorn]

Did they change how to gain warp charges? I'm confused now. I thought it only charged off BB.

[snow herald]

does it work for regular blocking and melee damage?

[frigid pond]

level 30 perk

[ivory heath]

super good but i am confused, im a simple sibling and i dont know what this weapon is as it is not force sword or rapier

[hardy lily]

there's 3 feats that give warp charges

[frigid pond]

you get warp charge from soulblazed killed enemies

[echo parrot]

Only if you have the feat as well as the deflector blessing on a fs

[covert roost]

anybody know if the crit bonus on the surge staff is an increase in crit chance or crit damage?

[frigid pond]

and purge staff counts as soulblaze

[delicate acorn]

That's why. I kinda stumbled off Psyker after 15.

Thanks!

[formal osprey]

This is absolutely rediculous right?

[austere burrow]

It's both

[hardy lily]

it's okay

[lethal plover]

I liked combat axe before it was cool jk

[covert roost]

oh damn

[austere burrow]

Press v to see the advanced stats

[covert roost]

nice

[echo parrot]

Its higher than most, but rediculous is a stretch.

[frigid pond]

for 15 the first perk gives you warp charges on allys within range killing units as well

[hardy lily]

80% mobility is nice though

[austere burrow]

You can mouse over the bars

[echo parrot]

360-380 stats is redonc tier

[frigid pond]

4% but yeah

[formal osprey]

The fact that is has the 80s where it counts

[austere burrow]

Surge crit caps at like 21% crit chance lol

[echo parrot]

Oh shit you right

[frigid pond]

i still love the meme of purge's damage stat

[hardy lily]

not amazing blessing or perk, but good stats yeah

[echo parrot]

Meanwhile I am over here still trying to get a fs higher than 320 stats

[formal osprey]

Purge damage is the least important stat

[frigid pond]

it'll go from like, 15-16 :v)

[delicate acorn]

Yeah. That's how I mostly had to try to retain mine. Glad to hear it gets better as the game develops.

Still. Would like to be able to block bullets with staff special attacks. Not melee attacks, that sounds kinda dumb. Just bullets n lasfire.

[frigid pond]

which is sooo funny

[formal osprey]

The cloud imo is what makes a purge staff terrible or bearable.

bareable?

[frigid pond]

burn is what you want iirc

[ivory heath]

space wizard vape clouds

[formal osprey]

Cloud, is it range and width

[long wharf]

I don't even like using it

[frigid pond]

burn is the dot damage and tick rate

[ivory heath]

girth

[frigid pond]

both stats you want high

[summer marlin]

Bearable.

[lethal plover]

Mk5 is better

[dusky smelt]

anyone gotten the force sword that block range attacks?

[formal osprey]

Ive got one thats better than that

[frigid pond]

i've seen it on my friends :')

[loud ibex]

how am i meant to get 1000 dreg kills as a psyker

[lethal plover]

Plenty. It's the start of really being a jedi

[frigid pond]

voidstrike staff

[dusky smelt]

its actually really easy

[frigid pond]

but yeah thats an easy mission

[dusky smelt]

voidstrike or flame staff

[shadow quail]

It's great

[ornate knot]

What does charging the surge staff do? Hit more targets? doesnt seem to increase damage

[formal osprey]

If you want to do it and have fun, use the VId recon las, its so much fun

[lethal plover]

Does more damage

[ornate knot]

It counts your teams kills as well

[lethal plover]

A lot more

[frigid pond]

i dont...think this is true

[dusky smelt]

i have 10 monstrocity to kill

[ivory heath]

im not sure about that one

[long wharf]

100% is

[frigid pond]

i feel like i finish missions too slowly for that

[devout axle]

Probably by blasting them. Or stabbing them. Or shooting them. Whatever form of violence you prefer, honestly.

[dusky smelt]

but the game bugged and kept giving me 2 per mission

[long wharf]

there's no way I get so many scab melee kills

[ornate knot]

I've had a contract pop up as a zealot for ranged kills while i saw swinging a sword around

[long wharf]

and yet every mission I make good progress on it

because teammates are killing scabs with melee

[lethal plover]

It does. I got dreg melee kills contract and such from team

[ivory heath]

a mission nets like about 1k kills depending on the tier across the team

[pure rapids]

it does count

[frigid pond]

thats wild

[trail forge]

I dunno why but I've taken to using a catachan combat knife and it's quite fun. It has rending on backstab

[frigid pond]

i guess the enemy types are wide enough

[pure rapids]

I've gotten ranged kill counts even though I've melee'd the whole mission

[frigid pond]

that it just doesnt finish right away

[tropic halo]

i envy the s p e e d

[dusky smelt]

using the force sword alt attack is so satifying

[shadow quail]

I'm already 1/3rd the way there on dregs and still got 6 days left

[long wharf]

how about this

[dusky smelt]

server still down?

[pure rapids]

yes it's like chainsword rev but less rev more force

[delicate acorn]

How do y'all balance the peril meter when ability is on cooldown?

Manually or do you just let it burn off over time?

[shadow quail]

depends

[pure rapids]

manually via staff quelling

[frigid pond]

if im at 100% i quell to 95

[delicate acorn]

I guess context is important, but what's more effective if your team is usually moving fast?

[frigid pond]

it very much depends though

[bright cipher]

holy shit im 100% team surge now, all the staves up to this one i could do 3-4 casts before having to quell, with this baby and the new build i can do like 10 and be fine

🙏🏻

[shadow quail]

ill just quel and try keep up dont find it that hard

[dusky smelt]

once you get level 30 staffs quell speed goes down really fast

[lethal plover]

Knife is the old favorite for experienced players who wants movement. At the cost of other things. Dueling sword mk5 is actually more mobile now

[delicate acorn]

For Surge staves, I use the zap and blow up but sometimes I don't. Is that the 10% quell on kill kicking in? Or?

I just feel as though I'm quelling too often during runs

[ember kiln]

Good base or no?

[frigid pond]

surge with low warp res will kill you at like 80%

i swear

[bright cipher]

crit and charge rate dont rly matter

neither does dmg

[ivory heath]

we did it team

[bright cipher]

warp res and quell speed are goated on surge

[delicate acorn]

Then tell the Emperor to give me better drops. BIG SAD.

[frigid pond]

i think mine with 37% res (dont judge me im not lucky) kills me at 84%

[dusky smelt]

im still team voidstrike surge doesnt kill and i like make boom

[frigid pond]

but yeah just gotta practice and learn the threshold

[bright cipher]

im running 321133

[trail forge]

"Best I can do is another lasgun..."

[frigid pond]

keep in mind that brain burst cant kill you unless you start charging at like 97%

[lethal plover]

The emperor is busy on his toilet seat but the drop has not been coming

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike is where it's at, siblings

[ember kiln]

tyvm man, i'm not 100% on the stats needed so thats good info!

[shadow quail]

New shop rotation woo

[tepid nest]

I've gotten so many emperor gift gun legendaries 😦

[frigid pond]

WOO NEW HOUR

[shadow quail]

Sad

[delicate acorn]

Curse you Peddler.

[dusky smelt]

voidstrike is a nice medium gives a little knockback but still does the deeps

[raw breach]

"Here, have this axe i found"

[frigid pond]

YOO

[ivory heath]

be careful tho the bug is still around where staff casts can jump to 100 and kill you for no reason

[frigid pond]

THEY DO EXIST

its...kinda shit tho

BUT THEY DO EXIST

[delicate acorn]

Yeah

It's sick to do

[frigid pond]

anyway buying that

[tepid nest]

It's just rare. I have 2 in my inventory.

[shadow quail]

worth it for the block imo

[delicate acorn]

At least, sick to see people do it.

[dusky smelt]

idk why everyone is hung up on base stats arent they adding a way to increase that too?

[tepid nest]

Worth it to rip the blessing off it.

[frigid pond]

i totally will

[trail forge]

I pretty much only keep my ultimate ability for cancelling overload now

[dusk pilot]

at least you have the perk for when they release crafting

[frigid pond]

helll yeah

[formal osprey]

You know ive got almost 90 hours in and I dont have a force sword over 280

[dusky smelt]

damn i just got a grey surge with 3 80s

[pure rapids]

for those with issues connecting

[ivory heath]

nothing feels better than being at 45% and then dying after a short surge burst cast

[frigid pond]

awuh east coast diff

[tepid nest]

We don't know how it will work or if it will exist for certain, so people are assuming a good base is worthwhile until there's information. Correct me if I missed an announcement.

[frigid pond]

feelsbad

[trail forge]

I've only bought 2 force swords the whole time I've had this game so far they pretty much never spawn in the shop

[delicate acorn]

12 hours ago. I blame the Veterans.

[ivory heath]

i didnt get a force sword in my shop till like lvl 26

[trail forge]

And I've had this game since the beta

[ivory heath]

i feel

[candid temple]

That is rough.

[ivory heath]

the shop is whack asf

[hazy ibex]

How are you guys grinding Pick'n'Mix? Just lv5 high intensity zones?

[frigid pond]

praying

[ebon jolt]

Reminds me of when I played veteran and didn’t get a power sword until level 30.

[trail forge]

Psyker needs an actual arcanum psyker based shop

[bright cipher]

godroll

[echo parrot]

godroll

[candid temple]

damn, that's fucking fire

[trail forge]

Instead of just rolling constantly with standard guard gear thrown in

[dusky smelt]

hey thats pretty good

[plain vessel]

Holy shit

That thing is crazy

[candid temple]

hopefully good traits and blessings

[trail forge]

Sprint efficiency

[bright cipher]

you better slam it rn

[dusky smelt]

its a grey so nothing till they bring in crafting

[bright cipher]

and post results

[dusky smelt]

im gonna buy it and discard it

[candid temple]

what

you can just upgrade it

what

[frigid pond]

might aswell just wait

[tepid nest]

I respect everyone waiting for the "69 NICE" emotes

[frigid pond]

esp if you have blessing you want

[trail forge]

Maybe he can craft a new one- oh wait

[echo parrot]

You monster

[candid temple]

and when they bring in reblessing you can fix it if it gets bad blessing

[frigid pond]

on other weapons

[raw breach]

Truly a community effort.

Well done everyone, we did it

[tepid nest]

Ogryn chat couldn't do it. Psyker community superior.

[ivory heath]

we won darktide with that one

[frail shuttle]

🧠

[pure rapids]

🍆

[dusky smelt]

you trully have won the darktide

[pure rapids]

[ivory heath]

in the end i became john darktide

[twilit comet]

Thinking ahead to when the rest of crafting is implemented. What do people think will be the best BLESSINGS on a FORCE SWORD?

I'm thinking SLAUGHTER and DEFLECTOR

Slaughter for horde clear, and deflector for the utility

[frigid pond]

im aimming for deflector superiority

[frail shuttle]

The best part is when he said "I am Darktide" and darktided all over the screen

[frigid pond]

but thats probably not needed

[static epoch]

deflector probably, but ive not tried it

[trail tapir]

stop shouting so much this isn't zealot chat

[ivory heath]

its tidin' time

[frigid pond]

i havent seen every blessing yet so eh

[static epoch]

after days of not getting any force swords, i today bought 6 in a few hours

[raw breach]

Shred and Blazing Spirit

[static epoch]

it's crazy luck

[ivory heath]

his iconic catchphrase

[frigid pond]

deflector is 100% one of them though

[twilit comet]

I did my first run with Deflector on a middish level force sword. Deflector was pretty amazing. I bought it mostly to salvage the blessing for later. But it was fun to use for use

[ebon jolt]

I want to try the quell on weak spot hit in the force sword.

[trail tapir]

stand back, I am beginning to darktide

[tepid nest]

Deflector will have a use, it may not be the most optimal for all builds. Considering the tiered blessing system, I'm hesitant to form too many opinions on it.

[bright cipher]

does that work with toughness on quell?

[frigid pond]

it just works so well with kinetic deflection

[trail forge]

Holy shit it's John Darktide

[twilit comet]

What was cool was deflector coupled with the perk for blocking adding to peril instead of stamina. Makes you super tanky 🙂 Awesome for reviving team members

[ivory heath]

youre making me tide... and you wouldnt like me when i tide

[dusky kettle]

~~God ~~ Emperor how did I not think of that combo. Got the quell on the force sword

[pure rapids]

any source of quelling works with that feat iirc

[bright cipher]

holy shot goated

[lethal plover]

Deflector is the weapon perk that changes the gameplay completely. Hard to think of anything else comparable

[frigid pond]

wait a minute i totally forgot when changing my build

[ebon jolt]

Want to pair it with a void staff with the same blessing.

[frigid pond]

is essence harvest worth it for purge soulblaze build?

[bright cipher]

yo what the fuck

[tidal elm]

How does the lightning staff work? Does holding the charge longer give more chains or longer stun duration? Sometimes I get a lot of chains and sometimes only a couple.

[raw breach]

According to the build editor that Fatshark themselves linked on the launcher, Force Sword can get Blazing Spirit, so Shred seems like a better combo than Deflector, OP as it is

[frail shuttle]

Does passive quell count for the toughness Regen on quelled peril perk?

[pure rapids]

more damage on longer charges

[shadow quail]

Just spam it for best effects, sprint after casting to spam more

[tidal elm]

I see, thanks.

[digital egret]

sprinting after casting cancels the animation

more dps

[shadow quail]

also weapon swap

[digital egret]

for anyone who didnt know

[raw breach]

Hold right click, spam left click, Win.

[tidal elm]

So the amount of people that get chained is RNG?

[frigid pond]

max is 5 iirc

[ornate hamlet]

Keep/toss?

[ebon jolt]

Yea. All forms of peril reduction count.

[shadow quail]

5, but if you're casting it like mad a different mobs

[solar loom]

Solid weapon, if you like using it keep it for crafting

[tidal elm]

Interesting, thanks.

[twilit comet]

This seems awesome for Force Sword. In theory, could get a +75% damage buff which is amazing during horde clear. If I'm reading that right

[ornate hamlet]

What's the fastest way to self detonate when running voidstrike+force sword?

[tidal elm]

probably spam force sword activation

[twilit comet]

Do any other melee weapons get slaughter?

[ebon jolt]

Power works differently than damage.

[frigid pond]

holding rightclick hands maybe?

actually sword might be quicker yeah

[raw breach]

2.5 BBs

[twilit comet]

Hmmm.... what the heck is "power" then?

[solar loom]

Charging the staff gets you a lot of peril quickly while the bar is going up, so a quick way to get peril is to charge up, then let go and immediately charge up again.

[frigid pond]

i feel like pre-charging BB gives more no?

then void staff

[solar loom]

Probably, not sure

[ebon jolt]

Hold right click on brain burst and then left click to cast at 100 is always a fast way no matter the weapon!

[frigid pond]

surge feels pretty fast sometimes if you can spam it

[frail shuttle]

Activate sword, charge BB, activate sword, do that a few more times then blow up

[ornate hamlet]

All good tips. I appreciate it, siblings

[frigid pond]

but yeah right click bb is probably faster and doesnt need bodies

[raw breach]

Power is sort of like a weapon stat for "Damage". It even shows up under damage i think. It's essentially the amount of damage your weapon does, so increasing power would make you hit harder, but it's not a flat 75% buff

[tidal elm]

You trying to do the self detonate penance? You can take the block costs peril to group enemies.

[frigid pond]

omg thats guna be so much easier with deflector now too i forgot

[solar loom]

That doesn't ever make you blow

[frigid pond]

god i can get that penance now maybe

[ornate hamlet]

I already did the penance, it's just that sometimes I feel like detonating is the right move

[frigid pond]

yeah but it builds

[hearty dagger]

Ngl, as a total fucking maniac quell speed going up with more ways to vent peril makes me sadge

[pure rapids]

if it's like VT then "power" would account for stagger strength, cleave strength, etc as well

[solar loom]

It goes to stamina before you go critical

[tidal elm]

Ye but while you wait for them to group its an easy way to not go down before hand.

[frigid pond]

you can blow up yourself up after blocking in a group

[tidal elm]

then just spam another activation

[twilit comet]

Chain Axe and Thunder Hammer appear to be the only melee weapons with slaughter

[frigid pond]

how much damage does blowing yourself up do anyway?

[tidal elm]

I can already see a max wounds psyker self detonate build in the works.

[frigid pond]

like roughly

[raw breach]

Like this random Combat blade in my inventory i clicked on has 61% on damage, which translates to 46.65 light attack power and 124.4 heavy attack power (deals 49/132 base attack damage)

[ornate hamlet]

meta

[frigid pond]

like lets say you hit a crusher in t4 with it, it survives right?

assuming hes taken no other damage

[raw breach]

this is why they nerfed detonate lol

[tepid nest]

You're not playing it already? Everyone runs that now.

[lethal plover]

Power is magic

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't know that it goes up to 3...

[night marten]

he definitely does

[dusk wolf]

Wait, so damage from detonation is based off wounds?

[night marten]

it's basically *an AOE brain burst I think

[tidal elm]

emperor does not like giving me curios

[raw breach]

Too many Psykers were playing like Zealots, far too eager to die in the service of the Emperor

[frigid pond]

hm

[pure rapids]

wounds is to be able to detonate more

[frigid pond]

more detonate buttons basically lol

[echo parrot]

Or far too eager to die in service of the Penances.

[ornate hamlet]

Yes, my beloved. We will blow up in your name.

[tepid nest]

Also, lots of Psykers don't know when to melee. People are still learning 😄

[frigid pond]

i still blow up without meaning to with my surge staff

i really need a new one

[ornate hamlet]

Simple, when the enemy starts to swing at you and you're needing to dodge.

[frigid pond]

...the last surge staff i ever saw

[bright cipher]

so what are good curio gear scores?

[bright cipher]

trash

[frigid pond]

i know

its so awful

[tepid nest]

Staff melee special obviously. Why ever pull out your melee when staff melee just fine??!?

[echo parrot]

• Charges up a single surge
• Explode

[frigid pond]

EXACTLY

[ornate hamlet]

because it's low dmg?

[frigid pond]

LIKE IT GIVES ME 20% ON ONE CAST

LIKE PLEASE

[static epoch]

crit on force sword y/n?

[tepid nest]

I think you missed the sarcasm in my comment.

[ornate hamlet]

It sends a message

[lethal plover]

[bright cipher]

DEFLECTOR AND QUELL PERIL

[static epoch]

actually what do you prefer on force sword at damnation

[ornate hamlet]

I cannot grasp sarcasm over the internet

[static epoch]

quell peril what, why 😄

[tepid nest]

Understandable.

[static epoch]

you mean quell peril on weakspot?

[bright cipher]

the perk that quells peril on hit/kill

[bright cipher]

yes

its basically lifesteal

[frigid pond]

im kinda aiming for deflector and unstable power

[tidal elm]

I like they gave you option to just beat up people with the staff. You get so fed up with using the warp you go physical psyker.

[frigid pond]

since its all i got

deflector 100% tho

[pure rapids]

your peril becomes a second stamina bar and also allows you to get back toughness

[static epoch]

Ah it actually works with Quietitude?

[frigid pond]

unsure for second

[lethal plover]

Just give psyker a simple black gray robe so I can complete my palpatine drip

[pure rapids]

all sources of quelling works with it

[raw breach]

You can even do heavy combos with staff special lol

[frigid pond]

heresy penances are kinda dark colored

[bright cipher]

yes

[tidal elm]

.... i gotta go to the meat grinder rn

[lethal plover]

I don't want tubes. Just cloak or robe

[frigid pond]

ah

[ornate hamlet]

Know what happens when you hit a horde unit with a fully charged voidstrike in the head?

[lethal plover]

Wdym

[twilit comet]

It's funny - I see a lot of forum complaints about weak BB and I'm like .... yeah, but there is a lot more to the kit than that ability alone. I died in a game the other day and spectated another psyker. They were basically ONLY using BB. Half the team was dead and the were running away from like 10 normal enemies trying to BB each one from behind cover. I'm like, WTF - get out that sword you're slinging and get after it!

[ornate hamlet]

THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENS TO EVERYTHING ELSE

[tepid nest]

I got a decapitation with my staff melee attack last night on Heresy. It was hilarious.

[pure rapids]

staff special can be held down to do a heavy hit

[lethal plover]

It's for killing hard to reach bombers and snipers

[scenic stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/american-dad-stan-twerk-twerking-getlow-gif-20670887

[frigid pond]

lowkey i dont understand the BB low damage meme

[static epoch]

I met a psyker like that today. Only BB on trash, never BB specials. Until they had a mauler in their face, at which point they stood still and ate it while trying to BB....

[raw breach]

Every staff has a "special attack" melee attack for low damage, but if you hold it, it actually does chain swings animations and everthing instead of the quick bash of most weapons

[pure rapids]

they want BB to oneshot everything

[frigid pond]

i mean no it cant 1 shot mutants but thats...not really what i use it for anyway?

[tender cipher]

Yes, the forums are plagued with Ogryns who have not been blessed by the Emperor’s light and never will be.

[twilit comet]

Absoluately - I agree. But people seem to think that because BB is only source of warp charges at level 1 that the "BB" is suposed to be the focus of the whole class all the way up. Totally wrong way to go IMHO.

[tepid nest]

Dueling sword shreds stunned mutants :D.

[frigid pond]

right?

[tropic halo]

true

[frigid pond]

also i could be wrong, but does BB scale on warp charges too or not

[tropic halo]

mutants hate fancy things

[frigid pond]

or is that what people mean when they say it doesnt scale

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty sure it does

[tepid nest]

There's a damage increase from warp charges, but it's so minimal that it hardly ever matters.

[pure rapids]

specifically? no

[frigid pond]

because i dunno, i feel like my 6stack BB is kinda beefy

[night marten]

BB is affected by bonus damage percentage from warp charge, but yea

[ebon jolt]

Yes. Warp charges scale all damage you deal. So pretty much everything besides DoTs I would assume.

[twilit comet]

Does BB count as a "warp attack" - which I'm assuming of so it would be affected by warp charges and also by Psykinetic's Wrath (??)

[pure rapids]

warp charge just gives generic damage

[frigid pond]

at least in herasy

[night marten]

what he said

[raw breach]

Which is why we all want Ascending Blaze to proc off any target that dies with Soulblaze on it at all, not just when soulblaze is the final tick of damage

[frigid pond]

it already stacks so easily with purge staff, dunno if thats needed

[twilit comet]

^ Good suggestion

[ebon jolt]

Because then it would actually be good. We can hope.

[delicate acorn]

I got caught in this too but only because it felt like a less effective gun in a lot to ways when compared to playing Preacher.

I dunno if it also just happened that I didn't give Psyker enough time to grow into a more rounded class, but BB definitely felt a but clunky whenever teammates took a BB charge I was going to use for toughness or just to keep my stacks.

[bright cipher]

quietitude quietly became my favorite toughness regen trait

[frigid pond]

but maybe for other staffs it could help

[bright cipher]

because youre in full control of it

you regen when you want

guaranteed

no rng

[frigid pond]

its actually got me debating if essense harvest is worth grabbing

and it probably is

[tidal elm]

If they made BB do increasing dmg over the cast instead of one big one at the end it would feel much better I think.

[night marten]

if you're BB'ing to keep up a full stack, just charge before targeting so they don't see a blue outline and get tempted to shoot (shouldn't really be worrying about stack upkeep in the middle of a bunch of shit though)

[tidal elm]

Also nerfing the dreaded railings.

[tropic halo]

encourages you to go ham with your staff, and then F special to immediately get a good chunk fo toughness back

[tepid nest]

It's OK to drop charges. Try to always be high impact.

[flint sky]

I just want brainburst to have a dps similar to the bolters

[frigid pond]

BB is used kinda as a sniper shot imo

[night shard]

So BB does benefit from warp charge stacks but it only matters in damnation with the health increase, 0 stack bb takes 3 shots for some elites but 6 stacks takes 2. So that makes a difference. What the mean when they say it doesn't scale is that the power remains the same from level 1 - 30 and doesn't change with difficulty level so it falls off hard in high difficulties

[flint sky]

300 dps on enemies that have 2700 hp is beyond ass for damnation

[delicate acorn]

I'm also constantly looking for ways to speed up everything I do and BBs being on a set timer is fine - balanced. But monke brain want go fast.

I know about holding the charge. But it's still forced me to walk everywhere.

Which yes. I also know there's a perk later on that lets you sprint during either quelling or charging BB. Whichever.

[dusky smelt]

i just want brain burst to be a little faster too often i charge it and the thing dies right before it goes off

[frigid pond]

i guess the main issue is also vet just does the job better

so you dont really need to use BB

at least thats how i play

[twilit comet]

I want the perk to not slow you down when quelling to also not slow you down as much when charging staves or BB

[dusky smelt]

yeah i think the best partys rn are 2 vet 2 preacher

[flint sky]

To such a degree it invalidates that role for you so you surge staff slave like a good boy

[devout belfry]

That perk is useless lol

[flint sky]

Build variety would be good

[frigid pond]

bold of you to assume i surge staff

[twilit comet]

BB I find most useful acrually for peaking specials and then killing them from out of sight. Or like you have a flamer around a corner and can peak them and dodge back and BB them from safty.

[night marten]

I love psyker. I'm a hardcore psyker main. But I still think the reason we have a place in a team comp is due entirely to ammo scarcity. Otherwise 4 vets rolls any content with ease

[frigid pond]

vet is fucking insane

[pure rapids]

pretty sure that's the point

[ember kiln]

What's the best stats for a surge staff?

[flint sky]

Best staff in an ideal environment, void and purge work too

[young summit]

spamming blue balls at low and high charge is an option, unles one wants to go (Un) Limited Powah !

[dusky smelt]

those

[devout belfry]

Everything but charge speed lol

[devout belfry]

Weak.

[ember kiln]

Okay haha, thanks man

[frigid pond]

warp res feels the most important

[flint sky]

Surge is hyper useful for stun but gets reeeeeally boring really fast

[dusky smelt]

quell and resis are whats actually important

quells nice

surge is lame

[flint sky]

Quell > resist anyday

[frigid pond]

res makes or breaks the staff

[bright cipher]

nothing boring about being the king of the battlefield

[flint sky]

[young summit]

thats why i said blue balling was an option 😅 surge is stupidly usefeull and nice. but its also incredibly boring

[dusky smelt]

sick

[young summit]

just like a shield orgrin 😅

[flint sky]

Missread my b

[bright cipher]

godrolled

[night marten]

that title belongs strictly to vet

[flint sky]

Too many psyker is fine vet spies

[twilit comet]

I'm having a hard time doing anything other voidstrike. I love that I can either line up a sea of headshots OR target a mobs FEET like I'm playing with a quake rocket launcher and damage + stagger enemies. Pretty awesome flexiblity.

[frigid pond]

then keep using voidstrike

its good lol

[tepid nest]

Trauma Staff is the one true staff.

[bright cipher]

i thought the same until i changed my traits around and crafted an actually good surge staff

[dusky smelt]

voidstrike feels super satisfying and is fun af

[flint sky]

Help him hes mentally ill

[twilit comet]

The "snap" and "crack" noise the voidstrike makes when it pops heads is incredible. I was noticing that today

[frigid pond]

i think the void surge purge debate is really preference/team comp dependent

[pure rapids]

yea the one true staff to cause trauma to yourself

[frigid pond]

trauma staff isnt real, we dont look at it

[frail shuttle]

To be fair it's the only source until halfway through the leveling process, and then it takes even more levels till you can get a 10% chance to proc BB. Unless you take either of those two specific perks it literally is the only way

[tepid nest]

It only hits 3 enemies, it's awkward to place, and it makes you feeble like a Psyker should be. This is why Trauma is superior.

[flint sky]

Surge is best when teammates are good

Void is best for when not

[young summit]

i got a void at level 19 with both charge speed and quelling in weakspot. hat was just stupidly borken for doing level 3s.
its infinite ball spam even without stacking upp warp charges

[lethal plover]

Stupid fucking level 30 team that does not know to hold at the stairs. Fucking zealots charging away from team

[twilit comet]

Yeah, the voidstrike with quelling on headshot is amazing. Shooting a horde you basically lose all the peril you spend shooting 🙂

[flint sky]

Malice is great for psyker because bb has utility

Feels like the class was balanced around it

Beyond not so much

[full atlas]

what is the 'god roll' for surge and void staff?

[frigid pond]

psy feels fine in heresy, not sure about damn tho

[twilit comet]

Does BB still kill like flamers and lower level elites/specials on difficulty 4?

[rare bough]

I just wanna role play a sith lord

[flint sky]

Surge staff slave and that's it

[dusky smelt]

the low speacials yeah bb still one shots

[young summit]

bb is usefull, unless you have a sharpshoter that can cosistently hit charging dogs 😅

[night marten]

here's an example godroll void https://i.imgur.com/a8FkfY8.png

[stable nacelle]

trying to do this penance. Does it have to be different types of enemies or can it be 5 ragers or whatever?

[twilit comet]

I admit I haven't played much at diff 4+ (currently level 27)

[tidal elm]

just elites/specialists are fine, no need to be different ones

[long wharf]

any elite or specialist

[flint sky]

You kill so inneffieciently it's best to just stick on ccing hvts

[stable nacelle]

ok cool thanks

[olive ember]

5 ragers is fine

[dusky smelt]

youll need a full team for that

[rare bough]

Guys, how can I tell elites apart from the normies ? Just their looks?

[dusky smelt]

basically im possibly solo

[twilit comet]

TAGGING

[frigid pond]

looks, some audio queues, and tagging yeah

[olive ember]

They are pingable so spam pings

[flint sky]

4 seconds to kill a dog is a really bad tech past malice

[twilit comet]

I swear to god, I'm only the only that ever tags enemies.

[lethal plover]

I now hate zealots. They are always breaking off from team

[rare bough]

I heard you can bind PING to your left click so you constantly ping as you attack

[dusky smelt]

i have my ping on shift

[pure rapids]

I'm pretty sure PUBs don't even know what tagging is

[devout belfry]

💦💦

[frigid pond]

probably, i have it bound to a side mouse button

[alpine sable]

Did they add the missing weapons yet boys?

[tidal elm]

naw better to be on a side mouse button or something, don't want to attack a daemonhost

[flint sky]

Theres nothing worse than a pub vet

[frigid pond]

ping a daemonhost and then you suddenly see a blue circle around its head

[twilit comet]

Hey guys... i just want to ping this and let you know ..... OMG!!!!!!! IT's AFTER ME

[rare bough]

I think you ca still keep a secondary keybind to it. Gotta test it

[jovial panther]

Shift sounds good ngl

[night marten]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zd2rxq/sorry_for_the_terrible_cropping_or_maybe_im_not/

[tidal elm]

yea they gotta let me add more secondary keybinds to stuff

[pure rapids]

I break off from the team as a Zealot when there are HVTs and the other 3 brain deads would rather wail on hordes

[rare bough]

Not bad at all!

[twilit comet]

Is it even possible to kill the demonhost before it takes someone?

[flint sky]

Yes

[frigid pond]

yeah

[full atlas]

https://gyazo.com/723f7748b67e97bd0c2ed55a014730ff
worth the upgrade or nah?

[bright cipher]

nah

[frigid pond]

usually with no ogryn i just tank it as psyker

[tidal elm]

brogryn slab shield infinite tanks it

[flint sky]

Shield ogryn wrecks daemonhost

[frigid pond]

but yeah ogryn just...

sits there

[twilit comet]

Can Force Sword + Deflector tank it?

[frigid pond]

sadly there is no reason to fight it right now, im hoping they add something

yeah

[flint sky]

Deflection peril works wonders

[flint sky]

THIS

Its just an ammo and hp dump

[formal osprey]

Its also very easily speed tankable, if you dodge and block well with a good movement melee you wont get hurt.

[tidal elm]

they should make bosses explode with crafting mats

[flint sky]

And not hard to avoid

[frigid pond]

something like loot dice from vt2 would be nice

[tidal elm]

or have a loot goblin creature like in vt2

[frigid pond]

yeah give us mats or something

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly, there's no reason to do lots of things as of now

[shadow quail]

yes

[night marten]

penances

[pure rapids]

saving up mats

[frigid pond]

i just enjoy the game

and i wanna play

and thus

[pure rapids]

and of course wreck some heretics

[dusky smelt]

you know what this game really needs?

[echo parrot]

At risk of sounding like a complete and total noob. Blocking only works for enemies in front of you right?

[shadow quail]

more microtransactions?

[dusky smelt]

some more drip options

[flint sky]

👋

Hello I refuse to kill myself fatshark

[bright cipher]

until you have near maxrolled full orange items with good perks and traits theres plenty to do

wdym

[pure rapids]

yes

[tepid nest]

A pettable dog.

[twilit comet]

More cowbell?

[formal osprey]

The arc of the block widely depends on the weapon

[pure rapids]

actually it works 360

but stamina depletion rate depends on the side the attack is coming from

[frigid pond]

it'd be cool if they added a shop for penance points maybe

[twilit comet]

WTF do the penance points do? Anything?

[frigid pond]

nothing rn

just bragging rights

[twilit comet]

lol. Noice.

[flint sky]

Look cool 😎

Finished game btw

[pure rapids]

they are pretty much just achievement points

[echo parrot]

Well damn

[flint sky]

Small family company please understand

[pearl drift]

I had heard there was a bug where purgatus staff couldn't crit. Is that still true?

[frigid pond]

is that a bug?

[half river]

No 😔

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker literally has only one piece of clothing with different colour options and some plastic strapped to it in some versions

[long wharf]

good god that's sexy

[twilit comet]

Another question .... what do people think is the best level 5 perk for toughness? Or what situations do certain ones work better than others?

[long wharf]

c..can I have it?

[pure rapids]

of course that doesn't mean you just block and show your ass to the enemy

[bronze sierra]

@twilit comet Depends

however the best general use one is the quelling one

[digital egret]

Yes it does. Heretics deserve a good mooning.

[frigid pond]

i get the 6 warp charges since im running purge soulblaze build, but flayer is decent too

[ornate hamlet]

cliffhanger - does this require to use the F ability? i used the force sword push and it didn't register the kills

[bronze sierra]

i like to use the warp attack one as i generally only have wwarp attacks

dont go for the warp charge onw

[pure rapids]

ppppfffftttt heretics deserve a bonk with the horny jail bat is what

[frigid pond]

f is consistent cuz it pushes a lot

you need all 7 at the same time

[ornate hamlet]

The game gave me cliffhanger for no reason

[night marten]

it's not mine

[twilit comet]

What counts a warp attack? Anything with force sword or staves?

[bronze sierra]

got this as an emperors gift

[ornate hamlet]

i see... thanks

[frigid pond]

any attack that builds peril

[pure rapids]

if you got at least 7 push off the ledge kills before the release you'll get it now

[bronze sierra]

yea pretrty much anything that generates peril

[tidal elm]

The very last hack of the only espionage mission is a good place for it. Got it by becoming a human bowling ball on one of the bridges there.

[night marten]

Used to be, but they fixed it since release patch

[ornate hamlet]

Warp Battery was a pain to get

[twilit comet]

Does the force sword special attack count as a warp attack?

[frigid pond]

yep

it gives peril

[ornate hamlet]

yeah

[echo parrot]

I managed to get both battery and cliffhanger in the same mission

[bronze sierra]

anything that generates peril is a warp attack

[echo parrot]

That damn out with a bang still laughs am me though

[ornate hamlet]

bang wasn't bad, but I'm already dreading the pick n mix

[frigid pond]

pick n mix is hard

im kinda in the boat of it might be the hardest penance... maybe

[echo parrot]

I literally have every single penance done except for bang and maxed missions one

[frigid pond]

i guess the boss one is kinda impossible with randoms

[bronze sierra]

BTW siblings, what do yall think of my aesthetic?

one word

[echo parrot]

whale

[bronze sierra]

TUBE

[candid temple]

meh

[bright cipher]

paypig

[ornate hamlet]

just pick an high density malice and go boom

[candid temple]

I'm hoping next one is good.

I bought the zealot one

[tidal elm]

You can sometimes find a random gunner squad rolling around for pick n mix

[candid temple]

but the current psyker ones are just...

[echo parrot]

That requires the vet with the boltor/zealot with the flamer to not go boom first lol

[candid temple]

Not fire.

[frigid pond]

ive seen some good stuff with the other helmet but yeah

[night marten]

soften em up with surge or purge

[bright cipher]

wait is that the strat, just blow urself up?

[frigid pond]

this set of gear isnt too good style wise

[zinc phoenix]

sure wish psyker had more than one force melee weapon 😢

[ornate hamlet]

it's meta

[twilit comet]

I hate all the psyker skins with gloves. I dunno.... gloves seem too chunky and un-psyker like

Interferrs with ultimate power

[ornate hamlet]

so...prison garbs?

[frigid pond]

prison garb all day lets goo

[twilit comet]

Pretty much

[zinc phoenix]

need to wear gloves, its P R O T O C O L

[echo parrot]

btw I am joking. If you like it you like it. Its just looks like a zealot skin to me.

[raw breach]

Just wait for the next Psyker Career, they'll get at least 1 new force weapon

[teal needle]

Darktide endgame: Log in and check the weapon shop every hour > be disappointed > logout > repeat

[tidal elm]

catch these force peril fists

[candid temple]

yes, I keep returning to either t1 or mortis

[twilit comet]

the basic (level 5?) red skin has no gloves, as do the basic recolors of that one

[candid temple]

mortis at least has fingerless gloves

[wind charm]

anyone got a tip how to get cliffhanger in soloq? last one I need for the hat

[zinc phoenix]

ah yes, one per career

[twilit comet]

What's the mortis one?

[zinc phoenix]

find a cliff, launch dudes off it

[candid temple]

imperial edition

[twilit comet]

ahhhh....

[twilit comet]

That skin looks nice.... but I'm so far resisting the call

[bronze sierra]

to be fair, the imperial edition had enough to grab the bits and bobs for the torso, head and the other hood i kinda liked

[tidal elm]

Espionage mission, last hack. Go onto one of the bridges and have fun.

[wind charm]

My best try is 4/7 so I suck at it apparently

[candid hawk]

especially into lava in a foundry at the end of a level

[night marten]

early Logistratum horde, retry if you don't get it

[candid temple]

I hate the skulls on imperial edition, but like

[frigid pond]

i was thinkin about imperial edition too

[candid temple]

can't win 'em all.

[twilit comet]

What imperial edition hood?

[zinc phoenix]

it used to be 20, be thankful

[frigid pond]

some stuff i like about it, some i dont

[wind charm]

thanks will give it a try

[candid temple]

it clips badly tho when running in third person so I can't forget it

if it clips for me, it must clip for others 😂

[ornate hamlet]

the painted skulls look like ass tbh

[twilit comet]

We need an armor decal system 🙂

[frigid pond]

honestly most of psy stuff isnt that good yet imo

[night marten]

I just don't like the face scarf. Everything else looks solid. There's a bunch of skulls on the heresy gear too (big fan of those)

[frigid pond]

the heresy+ gear penance wise is kinda nice

but eh

[wide quest]

Nothing beats the glory space toilet

[candid hawk]

im happy with my look

[frigid pond]

my issue with the imperial edition stuff is the like

[frigid pond]

cube patterning

if it was solid black id like it a lot more

[twilit comet]

That's a man with a vision

[wind charm]

Thanks!

[ornate hamlet]

the heresy penance cosmetics might be up your alley then

[worn jewel]

Psyker lightning comes from your meridians through biomancy, so finger gloves would be good.

Purgatus fire though....yeah I'd want gloves for that

[candid temple]

with the rebreather, your head doesn't clip through the back of the 'neckguard'? 🤔

[frigid pond]

i mentioned that already, and its okay

[candid hawk]

no mine doesnt

[echo parrot]

I wish there was a variant of the IE helm that is just the collar without the mask.

I like to see my face

[frigid pond]

def the best out of whats released

[candid temple]

I'd run the prisoner garb, but I didn't get one

[echo parrot]

In all its burn scared glory

[candid temple]

😂

[wide quest]

I just need a shirtless cosmetic now

[candid temple]

Yes, let us show off the tats.

[candid hawk]

you know now if i lose close i actually think it might rofl

[candid temple]

clipping hurts me physically

[wide quest]

One that has chest hair, preferably

[candid hawk]

one of the hoods my hair clips though lol its terrible

[candid temple]

Mmm, I'll take dark eldar wych outfit please.

[bronze sierra]

i really just liked the TUBE aesthetic

[candid temple]

also one minute for shop refresh

[devout axle]

Xenos spy detected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li1pBqfGmrE

[wide quest]

I still can't believe the one time a 380 base surge staff popped up in my store was when I'm out of money and the shop refreshes within 1 minute

My first ever 380 item

[candid temple]

dust all your other gear?

[twilit comet]

Does 380 seem to be the max that people see?

[wide quest]

No

[night marten]

The gray cosmetic hood looks good with the heresy gear, tied with the goggles imo

[frigid pond]

380 does seem to be the max rn

[bright cipher]

if you like dark eldar you most likely unironically like getting your balls smashed irl

[frigid pond]

wee new hour

[raw breach]

until they patch in crafting, then 380-400 will start popping up i bet lol

[frigid pond]

probably

[bright cipher]

ill take it !

[raw breach]

only 350 ^^

[frigid pond]

thats ight

[bright cipher]

my current is 314

[raw breach]

But not bad

[frigid pond]

fair enough

[bright cipher]

im in the process of upgrading from the items i used during lvling

[wide quest]

If it has deflector, I'm taking it even if it's 290

[frigid pond]

mood

[bright cipher]

my bad my previous was 293

[frigid pond]

i just took a pretty shit sword with deflector

[raw breach]

i like how you guys get force swords in your shop, and staves. it gives me hope that i'll see one eventually too.

[glad nexus]

so i just started playing psyker, saw more than a few people say the dueling sword is awesome, what makes it great?

[frigid pond]

its something

[devout axle]

Alright, but have you considered Copium ventilator?

[frigid pond]

the dodging/speed

its attack pattern is pretty good too

[glad nexus]

ok, thanks man

[raw breach]

Okay, so like. you know how some weapons slap?

[frigid pond]

good damage too, like its just a solid sword

[bright cipher]

so i know all about weapon rolling but whats the strat with curious?

same shit?

[candid temple]

damn

[bright cipher]

look for a good base and roll it

[raw breach]

The dueling sword is like... slapslapslapslapslapslapslapslap

[shadow helm]

I just got voidstaff after i saw some guys trashingf on it, shits fun af

[bright cipher]

imma prob just use blue curios and focus on getting both my weapons in tip top shape

[frigid pond]

voidstaff is very solid

people just get personal/really like specific staves

unless you like trauma

then you're just wrong

[bright cipher]

do you wanna do dmg?

voidstrike

[stable nacelle]

randos really hate reading chat 💀

[bright cipher]

do u wanna make t4,t5 runs much easier?

surge

[devout axle]

I like Trauma. I like Trauma a lot. I find the only issue with Trauma is its Peril cost.

[frigid pond]

wrong

lol

kidding, but yeah trauma jsut...has issues

[raw breach]

Do you wanna be the MVP that keeps your team alive, does damage, stuns everything in place, and carries their team? Surge

[frigid pond]

like whyy does it cap at 3 enemies damaged

[burnt python]

i agree, if it had like 25% less peril gen it would be real solid

[shadow helm]

surge is useless if your team doesn't have esyes

[burnt python]

its the 1 staff that shreds elites and knocks down in a massive oe

aoe

[devout belfry]

Didn't they fix that?

[candid temple]

no esyes is pretty bad yes.

[frigid pond]

i dont think so?

i heard its still a thing, i could totally be wrong though

[full atlas]

https://gyazo.com/c2959c8789f1ded1e573a961702227f2
yay or nay?

[candid temple]

I know it, but remind everyone else, what is esyes again, though?

[devout belfry]

Pretty sure it hits as many that are in the circle.

[devout axle]

They definitely did. I can obliterate an entire horde of poxxers and flak grunts with it.

[bright cipher]

traumabros coping hard rn

[frigid pond]

it knocks down everything in the circle i know, but i heard something funky is happening with the damage

[devout belfry]

Push a bunch of dudes together in the training grounds. Test time!

[shadow helm]

when i tested it you had to be directly in the middle for any damage

[frigid pond]

even if its fixed, its too slow and clunky really

[bright cipher]

are there even traumabros?

[shadow helm]

shit was wack

[bright cipher]

they all died from too much copium

[frigid pond]

i uh, dont have a trauma staff

[candid hawk]

NGL trauma is my second fav staff to void

[devout axle]

It charges faster than Voidstrike, and ignores armor.

[frigid pond]

otherwise i would

[dim pier]

Trauma staff is OP trust me HUFFS THE COPIUM

[candid hawk]

id rather use a trauma staff then surge or purgatus

[candid temple]

trauma would be good if it was +50% faster circle growth & like 25-50% less peril

[frigid pond]

whack

[devout belfry]

Purge staff just feels shitty to me.

[fathom oracle]

Gentlmen, voices in head people. The true power of OP is these hands

[devout belfry]

And imo the stagger values aren't worth it.

[candid temple]

🤔

[frigid pond]

purge is very pref based, and i think void and surge are better, i jsut like it more then the other two

[candid hawk]

I use using a force sword that did more damage with higher peril and playing high peril with the trauma staff that also had bonus crit at high peril and it worked pretty well TBH

[ornate hamlet]

Purge is good, you just gotta have a force sword to go with it for the big guys.

[devout belfry]

Wonder if I can log in now.

[ornate hamlet]

You're more reliable for damage than a Preacher and you dont use up ammo with purge.

[wise pecan]

I think it’d be nice if the purgatus had better stagger, but I see its use (essentially infinite ammo flamer)

[candid temple]

hmm, if it it's in the circle, you do dmg, if it's not, you do basically nothing:

[devout belfry]

But what does that bring the team?

[shadow helm]

Yeah thats what i found

[ornate hamlet]

Better than it already has? Enemies stand there burning in place...

[frigid pond]

...horde clear?

[devout belfry]

The horde isn't the threat. Tide 101

[ornate hamlet]

Horde clear that doesn't require ammo*

[devout axle]

That's how all AoE works. There is a blast epicenter where you deal full damage, and the rest of the AoE you deal a fraction of the damage, but still full stagger/knockback.

[devout belfry]

And it blinds the fuck out of your teammates.

[frigid pond]

horde is totally a threat if NOBODY deals with it

which is often the case

[wise pecan]

Horde control. If your vet has poxwalkers munching on his ass, he can’t countersnipe the sniper

[frigid pond]

exactly

[ornate hamlet]

BB for snipers

[devout belfry]

Everyone can whip out a melee weapon and solo the horde.

[frigid pond]

bb takes to long at higher levels

[lethal plover]

Launch patch fixed it

[frigid pond]

then die to ranged units?

[shadow helm]

void goes brr to snipers

[ornate hamlet]

Purgatus deals with horde in nothing flat so people can focus on bigger targets

[lethal plover]

Other people purgatus are now transparent

[reef sparrow]

Except for Psykers with duelist blades

[ornate hamlet]

void can miss.

[shadow helm]

Skill issue

XD

[frigid pond]

vet is better for snipers in t4-5 from what i've played and saw

[ornate hamlet]

I beg your pardon

[frigid pond]

and other long range units

assuming there isnt dudes eating his ass

[ornate hamlet]

Cover issue. BB doesn't give a shit about cover or it going into cover.

[devout belfry]

Yeah, it's still a quick one tap for vet. Anything we can one shot with BB they can do instantly with a single click.

[muted tundra]

I just don't think the staves are very good period, anything higher than malice I'd rather just have a lasgun.

[wise pecan]

Anyone who says “anyone can deal with a horde” clearly doesn’t pug, considering how often people get downed to like five dudes

[shadow helm]

spicy

[frigid pond]

this lol

[reef sparrow]

rampage
Take your terrible blessing and get out.

[lethal plover]

you can CC and kill bulwarks and bombers / snipers vets can't reach

[frigid pond]

i run purge MOSTLY in pug because nobody DEALS WITH THE HORDE

[shadow quail]

I think issue is they billed it as a DPS class, and it's really a utility class

[ornate hamlet]

Take your toxic behavior and shut up xD

[devout belfry]

Void deals with the horde well enough.

[frigid pond]

i dont think zealots ever actually take flamer

its not real

void is a solid option as well

[devout axle]

It's a jack of all trades, master of being worse at all the things it does decently vs every other class.

[frigid pond]

i just think purge is better

[devout belfry]

I don't see why zealots would ever take a flamer tbh.

Excluding for fun.

[fathom oracle]

Just use surge and cancle animation like anyone else

[shadow quail]

Can't argue with that tbh

[tropic halo]

these veterans gotta stop running off by themselves, man

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmm...

[tropic halo]

three games where they done this

[devout belfry]

What level do vets get the power sword?

[lethal plover]

no one else is a master of this

[wise pecan]

The counterpoint is that all the things it does, it can do for free

[frigid pond]

"but muh grims"

[reef sparrow]

Fine, let me say it in less toxic terms - Rampage requires you to hit multiple enemies, which the Duelist blade is terrible at, and the % boost comes into play the most when it's triggering on heavy attacks, since lights do so little damage. I'd really advise getting a new sword mate.

[devout axle]

Ogryn would like to know your location

[lethal plover]

remind me when ogryn runs out of toughness

[devout belfry]

I'm not seeing what's impressive there.

[ebon jolt]

It’s feels amazing to use but there is a lot of redundancy with a lot of the melee weapons. A good two handed chain sword deals with hordes well enough that you get more value out of a bolter or lasgun.

[frigid pond]

actually i am kinda in the boat of psy tank is...really good

[devout axle]

Ogryn revives can't be interrupted. Ogryn also has Slab shield.

[zinc phoenix]

Because as zealot you can’t guarantee what you get in your group. If you want a complete package for pug play, flamer + thunder hammer or evis is a pretty good one.

[lethal plover]

if blocking bullets automatically while reviving isn't good I don't know what is

[frigid pond]

like its funny considering their health pool but they actually are crazy good at it

[frigid pond]

they're just finding things to be negative about

[devout belfry]

I thought it was about the purge staff. Yes, I'm a fan of the FS.

[ornate hamlet]

Fair argument, the point was not the trait, but the stats. In dealing with a horde I drill straight through them on III, have an easy time on IV and on V I need to use my footwork just like everyone else. Also, it says on multiple hit, not on heavy hit. I have cleaved with this weapon to targets behind it.

[candid temple]

what would you take instead as zealot? 🤔

[frigid pond]

i think zealot can take bolter?

its decent

[muted tundra]

Braced Autogun/boltor

[zinc phoenix]

I gave purge staff another go in the foundry a couple times today and it definitely has its upsides

[frigid pond]

but it depends on what you need

[devout belfry]

What does the flamer bring to the zealots kit?

[frigid pond]

horde control, which you dont like

[zinc phoenix]

Large scale horde clear 🤣

I mean obviously

[frigid pond]

they dont like purge for taht reason too

[devout belfry]

I mean, plenty of melee options on the zealot lol

[zinc phoenix]

Thunder hammer and evis already bring a LOT of tin can cracking

[ebon jolt]

Pairs well with tactical axe or combat crit builds.

[lethal plover]

clear the horde. also staggers stuff inside it.

[ornate hamlet]

Additionally, the problem is that most people don't use the rapier correctly. LClick, LClick, Alt attack, Defend, push reepat.

[frigid pond]

exaactly this

[delicate acorn]

It's meta for crowd control. Can't always count on having a balanced composition for randos.

It also does a decent amount of stagger against ragers

[ebon jolt]

I think flamer is the most fun weapon in the game. So satisfying to use.

[frigid pond]

you bring what you need on each slot to fill out as best you can for each role

[devout axle]

I love watching Zealots smack a Plaguryn or Beast for like 30% of its health in a single hit with Thunder Hammer.

[candid temple]

I don't like purge, because I think void is better vs hordes outside bad positioning and surge is better for cc god.

[frigid pond]

if you bring wave clear melee, bring and elite killing ranged

and vice versa

[frigid pond]

and thats valid

[ornate hamlet]

The other great thing about the rapier for psykers is that (I havent tested daggers) The rapier has the longest dodge distance..

[red ether]

does collateral on the lasgun affect pierce or not? The tooltip in the inspect doesn't say anything about pierce but everywhere online does.

[lethal plover]

anyway: zombie horde, trash shooters, surprise specials, ranged specials, armored elites
you need a team that can deal with all 5. no role is unimportant.

[frigid pond]

i just dislike the argument that "purge is useless because horde clear isnt a threat/needed"

[devout belfry]

Or something to take out something a stones throw away.

[devout belfry]

The heavy thrust slide cheese lol

[lethal plover]

no threat is an issue when taken in isolation, like a zombie horde or a surprise special.
It's when they are combined that your attention is split between all those issues.

[ornate hamlet]

Purge is great because you are hitting the ENTIRE HORDE All at once and CCing them.

[bright cipher]

oh shit is mikhail

hide your voids and surges

[dense panther]

What do you mean? You mean the dagger slide?

[bright cipher]

DONT talk about purg being anything other than SSS tier in front of him

[ornate hamlet]

why?

[candid hawk]

I think psyker is one of the classes that has more roof to play with their build in their role

[devout axle]

I display my staff openly and proudly for all to see.

[zinc phoenix]

Bad positioning is why I like purge now. Most of what actually kills teams is one of bad positioning, hound, trapper or rager. Purge is a hard counter to bad positioning because you can literally rotate 360 degrees while barbecuing everything. It also staggers basically everything which is very nice. Essentially turns the psyker into a hard point around which the rest of the team can recover. I got a LOT of value out of it today

[lethal plover]

dueling sword: heavy attack while sliding. speed boost. just funny

[candid hawk]

you can play it a few ways and it fits well into any comp

[dense panther]

Ahh didn’t know that, ty

[frigid pond]

purge is the anti-PUG

[devout belfry]

The rapier heavy. But it works for every lunge heavy.

[frigid pond]

i swear

[ornate hamlet]

Nice appeal to extremes. Seems to me that someone saying something is "good" means that it's SSS to you. Maybe you need to relearn gaming in general..

[frigid pond]

and its for that reason

[reef sparrow]

Sorry, I think you misunderstood, the duelist sword is terrible against hordes. - I was pointing out that 12.5% power boost to light attacks is 12.5% to 51 damage is a 6 damage boost, requiring to swing twice against everything. Rampage's 12.5% boost on top of the heavy attacks 200 point damage hits for 25 more damage per attack, but the heavy doesn't do cleave.

The reason why I was being toxic about Rampage is it's one of the worst weapon blessings to have on a Rapier.

[frigid pond]

do i think void and surge are better? yeah, assuming ur team comp can handle it

[lethal plover]

I see that people are waking up to purgatus extreme speed.
Though this is not to knock the other staves, just different roles.

[night marten]

It really is optimal to cover as much area as quickly as you can move your mouse

[spark forum]

is refinery delta still broken

[night marten]

There's zero interruption in the damage output

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah it gives pug groups exactly what they need in a bad situation with a mix of pox and elites rolling up on them: time to grasp what’s going on and come together to defend each other

[night marten]

so just blinding yourself by spinning with high dpi is technically minmaxing, even if it looks silly lol

[lethal plover]

I do like the fact that weapons in this game, have depth to them. The best part of a game is during the early tech discovery process

[frigid pond]

if only trauma held up to this staff debate...

[devout belfry]

Well not all lol. Some shit is just bad.

[willow dune]

Aha, finally my 12K DPI is useful

[frigid pond]

i honestly think if the circle grew faster it'd be better

and less peril

[lethal plover]

headhunter autogun, welp

[frigid pond]

that alone might be enough buffs for it

[lethal plover]

they need to rethink those weapons

[reef sparrow]

Here's mine. Shred stacks damage on anything that didn't go down in one hit, and while I'm not perfect with precog, since footwork still plays into the style, it's pretty damn good

[teal needle]

If trauma were spammable it might be able to do to hordes what voidstrike does 🤷

[devout belfry]

Half the guns lol. Mostly because the other numbers are insanely better.

[zinc phoenix]

Duelist seems to do ok against hordes if you aim for the head on every strike and spam dodge constantly. But yeah above a certain threshold for horde size duelist is just not gonna cut it

[devout axle]

1.3 second charge speed feels plenty fast. I just don't like that I'm spending almost as much Peril using it as I would be using BB.

[frigid pond]

is it really 1.3? what % is that at? it felt really slow and clunky when i used it

but maybe thats cuz low level gear

[zinc phoenix]

This is 80% the problem, it’s ludicrously high in peril cost. If it barbecued a massive area it’d be one thing but it just plain old doesn’t (the other 20% is slow charge speed and daggum poor damage for most of the area)

[reef sparrow]

Charge speed is fine, though the interrupts are devastating since the charge for it generates Peril FAST

[teal needle]

It takes like .1 charge speed to railgun more heads with the void strike

[devout axle]

I think my Peril staff has a 76 charge speed.

[frigid pond]

but yeah the peril is just...not worth it

[reef sparrow]

It's all about that peril management. Trauma is poo-poo when it comes to managing your peril.

[devout axle]

Trauma generates Peril much faster than other staves while charging, doesn't slow down at max charge like other staves do, and costs almost double to actually cast it compared to other staves.

[lethal plover]

j_sat uses dueling sword. it's like the knife, you use them for movement. combined with peril block you can zip around, and this I believe becomes crucial for experienced players when clutching, like maybe they need to get to the rescue point etc.
Though it's yet early days, and it seems that solo on damnation is way harder than in vt due to ranged enemies

[ornate hamlet]

When dealing with a horde on Damnation, enemies are packed tightly, your rapid 3 strike will be able to hold its own just as well as any other blade as well as your ability to quickly get back to defensive posture. It's certainly now brawling weapon to stay in place, thats why you can boost/dodge across an entire room. I JUST tested it. This sword DOES hit more than one target per swing, and you can leftclick+alt attack in nearly the same swing and kill your targets.. It's not a "shit weapon. You need to know enemy weakspots and exploit them, the charge attack for the rapier takes next to no time. We'll see what happens with this weapon when it gets its second trait. If it's some sort of crit damage or crit chance blessing, that makes the first blessing more valid as it multiplies the value you say is insignificant.\

[spring nest]

difference between full charge and instant surge staff attack in damage?

[frigid pond]

usually its not worth full charging surge

usually you just spam it

[spark forum]

yeah ur not using surge for dmg

on high diff

unless like flak or something

[teal needle]

Who thinks dueling sword is shit

[frigid pond]

its decent damage if its 1 dude but that...doesnt usually happen

and isnt what its for

[spring nest]

duelist very good imo

[frigid pond]

duelist was my goto before deflector force sword, its super good

i wanna say its like

top 5 melee weapons prob

[devout axle]

It's like a knife, but feels less clunky to hit weakspots with it.

[reef sparrow]

Duelist is absolutely devastating once you understand that your job is to take on the tough enemies. Power attacks become the norm and you can effeciently pick apart any of those small groups.

I'm still trying to find an Exalted Surge staff. ;-;

[lethal plover]

by tough do you mean crushers?

[wide quest]

I used to run dueling sword until I ran into the mk v combat axe

[wise pecan]

So in other words: Trauma is the best staff for trying to grab that one Malice penance

[lethal plover]

combat axe does do more damage to crushers

[ornate hamlet]

There’s a fifth staff?

[frigid pond]

it is pretty good at that

[devout axle]

Trauma is the best staff for forcing yourself to blow up, yes.

[night marten]

I don't think so, it blasts things away from each other

[cobalt tartan]

just waiting until i get a mkV combat axe in my shop with decent stats, then i might retire my dueling sword

[tacit fractal]

Ideal staff blessings?

[frigid pond]

depends on staff

[night marten]

use purge or surge to weaken enemies for the bang penance

[wide quest]

Join us sibling

[reef sparrow]

Naw, the regular enemies with more HP than the true chaff. Not the infested, but the ones with the faceplates. Those are the ones that really do all the chip damage.

[wise pecan]

I love the mk V combat axe and Flamer on my zealot

[lethal plover]

of course if you want to deal with the "toughest" enemies you can come back to daddy force sword

[frigid pond]

god

i love purge force sword

[reef sparrow]

Yeah, the CC staff. Surge gives you chain lightning which makes your Zealot fall in love with you, since all the ragers get stunlocked.

[cobalt tartan]

made me horny ngl

[stray spindle]

I love the force sword

[candid temple]

https://media.tenor.com/APz9XLzrM9YAAAPo/trust-the-force-yoda.mp4

[ornate hamlet]

Duelist sword combos well with this talent, I wouldn't suggest otherwise.

[candid temple]

in what way?

it's still 15 second cooldown??

[ornate hamlet]

with how fast you attack?

[bright cipher]

im pretty sure any form of damage combos well with this talent

[ornate hamlet]

Ye

[candid temple]

uhh

[bright cipher]

[frigid pond]

yeah to be fair there is CD

[wise pecan]

I feel like that feat’s only real purpose is warp stack management

[candid hawk]

If a weapon has bonus weak spot damage, i wonder if brain burst gains damage from that perk

[reef sparrow]

Yeah...Flayer got the nerf bat hard

[frigid pond]

if anything fast hitting makes it bad cuz you could make it proc on the wrong enemy

[candid hawk]

ive been wondering that

i should check it

[ornate hamlet]

Tested this, it only procs on targets you hit

[wide quest]

It's always fun when you double bb a hound by luck

[frigid pond]

right but if you hit something else in the mean time is all i mean