psyker-class

[tender cipher]

Because you get lazy some times even in heresy

[brave scaffold]

best trinket blessings for psyker?

[opaque sonnet]

I thought ehp was better improved with +toughness?

[tender cipher]

You gonna play perfect and never get hit?

Until then plan on getting hit

[vernal imp]

toughness is fine as curio if you only play malice and below, unless you block melee and dodge shots

[bright cipher]

Just don't get hit

[brave scaffold]

does + wounds help psyker?

[bright cipher]

Yes

[hardy fog]

Toughness or hp curios?

[vernal imp]

• wounds helps everyone

[tender cipher]

Yes because it means you can explode that many more times!

[opaque sonnet]

Isn't that what ogryns are for? Crack the whip and they get hit for you?

[brave scaffold]

what does + wounds do? lol

[bright cipher]

Adds more segments to your hp bar

[opaque sonnet]

Splits your health so you get more purple before you need to be rescued

[frail geyser]

Increases your down count

[vernal imp]

gives you a "health" bar, aka an extra time you can be downed, nice for corruption with bosses and the random janky dog attacks

[frail geyser]

Matters more in 4+ when it knocks humans down to 2 wounds defaul

[paper trail]

what is it with Trauma staffs always appearing for me with good stats instead of the staffs I would actually use

[near wyvern]

With high difficulties the enemies slap so hard your +toughness won't matter, you will get bleed through if hit more than once in a quick succession

You need health to counter the chips to your HP bar for your mistakes

And at least an extra wound so that corruption will not make you instantly die after your mistakes.

[opaque sonnet]

I think the best psyker question is how do we get people to understand not to murder low tier mobs with blue heads because we need to keep up stacks

[paper trail]

also if that is base rending shockwave then how much does tier 4 rending shockwave rend for?

[frail geyser]

Bb isnt that important

[tender cipher]

That’s easy. Kinetic barrage and target random mobs

[frail geyser]

It sucks shit

[near wyvern]

Stacks are not that important

[tender cipher]

Warp charges are a trap though, you’ll get them naturally if you play well

[vernal imp]

just spam surge for the free headpop chance, you'll get it

[tender cipher]

[near wyvern]

And also if you are contesting for trash kills use the freaking right click to preload a BB and then instantly smite someone

If you left click you need to start over and over and over again and you will never get there.

[echo parrot]

Simple, you stop trying to keep them up, and just use the perks to passively upkeep them and use the level 30 feat that lets you machine gun headpop.

[frail geyser]

At 4+ you bb snipers your vet cant get

[echo parrot]

My life became so much easier since I went that route, and I am almost always max stacks just from playing.

[vernal imp]

or bombers that run away inside of spawn doors after screwing your team with an insane throw

[tender cipher]

Or snipe with void strike.

[frail geyser]

But being in bb mode is danger time

Bad dodge no block

[vernal imp]

and super slow

[frail geyser]

Slow charge for shit dmg

[vernal imp]

awful quell

[near wyvern]

BB is a newb trap

[tender cipher]

Kinetic barrage BB is fine

[vernal imp]

it's fine but it doesn't feel like a level 30 feat

[near wyvern]

They should just make kinetic barrage BBs instant

[frail geyser]

Does kinetic barrage let you dodge while charging?

[tender cipher]

It is what it is. That’s the only time I use BB.

[vernal imp]

it just makes it charge faster and cost less peril

[frail geyser]

I was being sassy

[tender cipher]

Yeah it does actually!

[frail geyser]

Weird

[echo parrot]

I usually just treat it as a anti-personnel cannon on a short cooldown used for when there are 3-5 crushers in the middle of a horde for some damn reasons.

[tender cipher]

It is a dodge that only works against melee because it pushes all the melee attacks out of range …

[echo parrot]

Been many times where barrage let me clutch recover the group being swarmed

[vernal imp]

alright, antax axe enjoyers where you at

what is the actual attack you use, is it just push attack spam

[frail geyser]

Quicken is my go to

[near wyvern]

Tried it but I enjoy my duelling ice skating more

[frail geyser]

A double ult has saved lots of runs

[vernal imp]

yeah, and antax imo looks a bit ugly

[near wyvern]

You spam push attacks only when you have to tank

[prisma minnow]

F! game crashed at the end of a mission and now it's forcing me to download install and update so won't be able to reconnect.

[near wyvern]

Happend to me once.

F dear sibling.

[gilded viper]

Got Pick n' Mix. Hell yah

[cyan echo]

F, indeed

[prisma minnow]

grats

[gilded viper]

Now I just gotta do all levels on Heresy and complete 100 missions

[prisma minnow]

run with 2 vets?

[flint plover]

if you had to pick, warp flurry or suppression on a surge staff?

[ivory heath]

suppression

[gilded viper]

Nah restarted Chasm Station high intensity until 5 gunners spawned at the start

[ivory heath]

you never need to fully charge on surge staff

[echo parrot]

Its reached a point where if I join a game with anyone that has a boltor/flamer I just leave (Out With a Bang problems..)

[flint plover]

figured, ty

[prisma minnow]

I'll take note.

[vernal imp]

is the best combo for kinetic barrage, bb - F then bb spam?

[long wharf]

Yes

[near wyvern]

Depends on the situation.

If you have a couple crushers surrounded by horde that need to die now you press F no matter your peril.

[echo parrot]

Pretty much. You essentially save it for oh shit moments or large amounts of crushers/reapers/etc

[prisma minnow]

35.4 GB patch. That's a lot of Psyker nerfing. I kid, I kid.

[hallow needle]

finally it worked

[near wyvern]

Ah that ain't for steam

[prisma minnow]

Congrats on becoming bald.

[echo parrot]

Got me excited for a sec

[hallow needle]

i hate that so much

[prisma minnow]

Maybe it's going to give me percentages on the weapon stats?

[near wyvern]

Yes it will get you up to date with the steam version

[late zodiac]

why does my beloved hurt me. asking for a friend.

[near wyvern]

It's just a dream

[left mirage]

mk5 axe + surge might just win me over vs force sword + purge/voidstrike

so much hordeclear

[late zodiac]

but why does a dream hurt

[left mirage]

that push attack do be bussin

[near wyvern]

Cause you love it, beloved

[tender cipher]

Reapers I don’t bother using BB. Only shield ogryns

[late zodiac]

:(

[tender cipher]

Everything else I void strike

[south spruce]

How did you do it?

[near wyvern]

If there is someone preparing to gun my team down I will do it for the cc but then again I am using purgatus

[vernal imp]

first try, huge thanks to the guy who recommended hi-intense chasm station

[tender cipher]

Fully charged void strike staggers

[bright cipher]

What difficulty

[vernal imp]

got lucky with scab shotguns

[near wyvern]

Yes but you can't really void strike with a purgatus, sibling

[gilded viper]

The Chasm Station Assassination mission has a big open area at the start where a bunch of elites can spawn, I just kept restarting the mission until 5 gunners spawned, which is the only enemy bb 1 shots. @bright cipher Heresy.

[flint plover]

damnation, im guessing?

[shell fiber]

Use ult, bb reaper 3 times and kill it in 8 seconds

[tender cipher]

Yes you can you just pretend hard enough that your void strike staff is a purgatus and it works!

[vernal imp]

i did mine on heresy, but that mission is going away in a few mins

[near wyvern]

I guess I gotta dream harder

[flint plover]

yeah

[south spruce]

How in the name of the emperor did you manage to brain burst them before veterans completely annihilate everything with pulse?

[gilded viper]

nice

[bright cipher]

You ask politely

[gilded viper]

I told them to not and they did, nice dude that. Also bots won't kill them fast enough and barely anybody random queues Heresy or Damnation.

[bright cipher]

Most people on heresy+ don't mind helping people do their harder penances

[gilded viper]

Now I just gotta finish 100 missions and do all 7 mission types on Heresy, easy enough, as long as I can track the missions I've done

[bright cipher]

I can't even count how many missions I've waited at the end for vets to do their penance

[gilded viper]

Yah the 100% accuracy one can be rough

[cyan notch]

id do penances if they gave anything that looked good

[vernal imp]

i've not had luck with randoms for my 90% monstrosity penance, a lot of zealots that just want to speedrun the level in my experience

so i'll probably just get a LFG for it

[bright cipher]

Use lfg to find a shield ogryn

[cyan notch]

rather than oversized straightjacket with chains and oversized gloves + oversized hood

[near wyvern]

No need. There is only one heresy mission available at a time. It's RNG in the purest form.

[gilded viper]

Well I know i've completed Investigation and Assassination, but I still need the rest

[vernal imp]

at least we have better looks than veterans and ogryns, one just changes their clothes colour, and one gets rid of their clothes

[near wyvern]

Might also be able to get tanked by a psyker.

I tanked today a demonhost at malice with duelling sword and kinetic deflection

But not sure if a psyker can last long enough for the corruption

[vernal imp]

god i love that sword so much

[sleek hornet]

is there a way to see what mission type i havent done

[mild canopy]

Anyone knows if void staff is viable in dif 4?only tried purge one today

[cyan echo]

Psyker can do it, but shield ogryn is safer

[sleek hornet]

trying to get this penance done and its all

6/7 mission types

[cyan echo]

its viable, but things start to be able to survive many shots of it

[tender cipher]

Yes, just make sure you have the right weapon rolls.

[gilded viper]

nope, life is pain

[near wyvern]

On account level yeah but if you have multiple characters you need pen and paper

[sleek hornet]

i have only the 1 character

[near wyvern]

There is an account level penance for each mission type

At X difficulty

Probs missions tab or something

[sleek hornet]

Kk

investigations 0/50

bet its that one

[mild canopy]

There wouldnt happen to be a post somewhere with good blessings for purge, surge and void staffs right? Cuz i have no idea on which ones to consecrate or get

[sleek hornet]

Pygex sexiest pysker on the mourningstar confirmed

[near wyvern]

Yeah there seems to be only one of those

[gilded viper]

Suppression is my preferred on Purge

[near wyvern]

It's not always up

[sleek hornet]

lmfao its level 5 too

[vernal imp]

purge's best blessing i think is the hipfire one, and maybe suppress on close kill?
void with transfer peril is great and spammy, surge is w/e i think

[sleek hornet]

lets goo lads bottoms up

[near wyvern]

You can get it for any diff it's just rng

Sometimes it's 1 other times 3 and sometimes 5

[tender cipher]

Damage against carapace and Specialists, also possibly pox walkers so you don’t have to do full charge as often. Those matter more than the blessings otherwise you might want quell on weak point.

This is for void only

[near wyvern]

Just gotta play the game while you wait or wait to play the game

[sleek hornet]

bet

ima load up n see what happens

rank 13 myself

[jade girder]

So I saw a streamer do (what I assume to be) a movement tech, in which he managed to get forward momentum on a swing with the force sword.

Can anyone give me a pointer on how to pull that off myself?

[mild canopy]

I grinded for the 130k gold hood and was so disappointed when it made me bald and put a weird shade texture on my icon face

[near wyvern]

Yeah don't go into 4 or 5 with that

[sleek hornet]

yeah mission wipe right off the bat

lmao

[near wyvern]

3 can be done if you get 1 or 2 carries which you often do since high lvl people are doing their weeklies on 3

[sleek hornet]

those enemies dont stop firing

[near wyvern]

But if you want a stable experience sitck with 2 until lvl 20

[sleek hornet]

just me and 3 bots so no ones time wasted

yeah, ill watch for the mission refresh for the next investigation

[vernal imp]

do heavy attack, sprint and slide as you throw the attack

it's only slightly faster with the force sword, compared to mega fast with duel sword - combat blade

[hoary cairn]

Does someone here knew what the music is called when you go to the Extraction Point is called? I tried to look it up but can't find it lol

[patent steeple]

btw, here is my tier list of ideas for a psyker name:

1. Galaxy-brain
2. Megamind
3. Sparky
4. insert randomized name option here

i myself went with Megamind, since i only afterwards thought of the name "Galaxy-brain".

[wide quest]

Jimmy Neutron

[jade girder]

That would be "Escape Initiated"

[hoary cairn]

yeah that's the one thanks

[patent steeple]

well technically it would be Jimmy-Neutron due to the game not allowing spacebar usage in names. good idea tho.

[echo parrot]

Just name yourself Varlet like Hadron wants.

[hallow needle]

bless hadron

id give her all my toasters

[sleek hornet]

voidstrike staff plays so fun

its so nice to make enemy torsos disappear

[hallow needle]

yep

[sleek hornet]

dueling sword feels good too

makes me feel like im playing a sienna / saltzpyre mix

[jade girder]

I'd even let her turn me into a toaster...

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.
I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine.
Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you.
One day the crude biomass that you called a temple will wither and you'll beg my kind to save you.
But I am already saved.
For the machine is immortal.
Even in death I serve the Omnissiah.

[sweet lynx]

Is it intended that the DoT from purgatus staff cannot trigger Ascendant Blaze? In order to trigger it the damage from the staff has to deal the killing blow.

[night marten]

it's the other way around

[sweet lynx]

Im in the grinder right now. But your name has purge staff gang.

So you must be right.

[night marten]

when I was testing, if I just hit a few enemies with a direct cone of flame from the secondary consistently, I almost never procced stacks

very rarely I would, though I'm guessing that's because the dot is technically still ticking up while you're using secondary fire. Alternatively, when I blasted a group and let them all burn to death stacks were more frequent

[sweet lynx]

Yes, you're right. I was just insanely unlucky

[brisk plume]

So what is so great about the dueling sword? I see a lot of people say it is amazing

[frail geyser]

Good attack patterns

Mobility

[mental rock]

I think people use mk2 dueling sword for better hoard clear+mobility

[solid lake]

The rest of your party going "Damn, you look so fancy in a fight"

[mental rock]

With dueling sword you can full tank daemonhost just dodging+blocking

[sweet lynx]

Hard to test in the grinder. With Ascendant Blaze and Psychic Communion how necessary is Kinetic Flayer for keeping stacks up?

[frail geyser]

Still think FS better for hordes

That push is v strong

[night marten]

not necessary, if it's not you're preferred style. you can always throw out a BB if you know a wave is coming and your stacks aren't back, but otherwise stacks stay high if you're fighting big groups

[celest hedge]

It’s basically th rapier from verm 2, mobile, fast and lots of headshots

[solid lake]

Personally I prefer kinetic overload. Hit your F with full charges, then flame the horde, and the excess stacks melt the ragers / maulers mixed in

[sweet lynx]

Any value of warp battery? How does warp battery synergize with Kinetic Shield (maybe this feat is just bad but as a purge user its the ranged guys that are the deadliest for me), is it the only way of getting the full 33% value?

[night marten]

@sweet lynx imo if you're running purge with AB, you really want those six stacks

those last two soulblaze stacks do far more damage than the first four

[tender cipher]

You have to have 6 stacks to wipe out a horde on harder difficulties

And it’s nonlinear

Also why some of the other fucking feats feel so bad

[solid lake]

Yeah, the exponential scaling does make the 6 stacks appealing

But I like things randomly catching fire while I fight, and the purg staff puts extra stacks on pretty quick

[hardy lily]

Dueling sword mk Ii is disgustingly good, your mobility makes you look like sonic the hedgehog with weapon slides

I can get so far ahead of my team I gotta wait minutes to catch up lol

[sweet lynx]

what's preferred level 20 feat for purge users? If you're a bum and don't have a deflector sword***

[wet jacinth]

More force melee weapons wen

[night marten]

6-stack Ascendant Blaze Wrath against Damnation trash mobs https://gfycat.com/belovedshrillhornedtoad

[flint plover]

i just got my SEVENTH legendary rifle

[echo parrot]

Neat, but you can handle trash with a surge easily. I still prefer Barrage for that reason.

[flint plover]

asdjhfgkhsdfjkl;shpsadkfjaskl;dfj

[wide dome]

jesus the emperor blesses

[flint plover]

https://tenor.com/view/uruha-rushia-rushia-mash-slam-desk-gif-19371618

[solid lake]

Kinetic deflection is still nice if you run quietude

[sweet lynx]

wait, what's the synergy there?

[solid lake]

Get hammered in melee, block, regain toughness while fighting. Its mostly an oh shit protection if you cant make enough room to get the staff out

[night marten]

biggest advantage (without deflector) is just melee damage going to peril while reviving

since you auto-block when reviving, you have way more staying power if damage is upping your peril by token amounts instead of depleting 25% of stamina per hit

normally once you're out of stamina you get wrecked. but with kinetic deflect, you can just ignore the hits and safely revive/clutch

[sweet lynx]

but I'm the one that gets revived🤨 . I don't do the reviving 😆

I didn't think of that though, as someone who just normally dodge spams, ty!

[night marten]

sure but that's a separate problem lol

[tender cipher]

Good, as it should be. You should always maximize explosions

[jade girder]

well, if you are happy then thats amazing, but until perk reroll i'd still take my blue with Deflector any day over yours...

[night marten]

I could totally see high level plays at some point taking advantage of the fact that perils of the warp is essentially a 1-wound cost aoe brain burst

[flint plover]

yeah, I discovered this a few days ago and I have saved many, many runs in heresy and damnation because of it

[teal needle]

Block efficiency seems to have an exaggerated effect on psyker peril blocking too. My two stamina ax with 15% bonus block efficiency tanks a daemonhost literally twice as well as my force sword without the perk

[loud violet]

Fond a half decent knife to mess about with

[ornate hamlet]

😦

[sweet lynx]

that gun be high

[trail oar]

Boys boys boys, how do i do penance ''Going out with a bang''?

[night marten]

not great, but if you don't have anything better it's still serviceable

[flint plover]

why in the fuckity is there only one heresy mission

[loud violet]

Max peril run into elites and blow up

[tender cipher]

You may consider it if you’re buying time for your team to res others and your peril is too high in the middle of an endless horde with a few elites swinging

[night marten]

you don't really care about the damage as much with surge anyway, just maximizing secondary spam for utility

[teal needle]

Surge staff does poopy damage anyway, efficiency is good if you don't have a more efficiency staff use that one

[tender cipher]

Surge staff is great versus armor though!

[night marten]

pretty much, if it's going to be a wipe anyway lol

[tender cipher]

I always type “whoops lol”

[night marten]

same

[echo parrot]

356 pretty good

[tender cipher]

Though honestly when a psyker blows up next to me it scares the shit out of me

[tacit jungle]

"oopsie"

[solid lake]

"Oh no" explodes

[fresh steeple]

on the subject of surge staff: It's still the case that the CC element is the same regardless of how long you charge, right? It was like that in beta and facilitated low-charge M2 spamming, and I haven't seen any appreciable change since launch, but I also don't trust my lying eyes

[gray kelp]

oo potentially decent

[worthy wasp]

U right

[night marten]

It's mediocre (not to be mean), probably avoid investing too many crafting mats unless it's your current best option

[velvet trail]

This is also added to the fact that of the auto-quell speed for non-force weapon is significantly faster than force weapons

[loud violet]

Pretty much

Just go after the base stats atm imho

[gray kelp]

mainly considering the fact it has a good perk and decently rolled warp flurry blessing

[solid lake]

It is?

[loud violet]

No.

[night marten]

I would say go for both warp res and quell speed to be at least 70%+, those are the really important since you're going to be spamming for the utility of CC

[teal needle]

Hm, that might be doing it more than the block efficiency honestly

[velvet trail]

@solid lakeYep, pretty easy to test out in the training room

[loud violet]

Passive quell doesn't kick in right away

[gray kelp]

voidstrike, not surge staff

[night marten]

my mistake, though it was surge

[solid lake]

Huh, i've been using force sword so long i didnt realise there was a difference. I remember guns feeling faster than staves though

[velvet trail]

I use a rapier and pretty much never manually quell. Just swap back and forth

Never tested with guns personally, but at least the melee non-force weapons work that way from what Ive seen

[loud violet]

Yeah so I'm in the meatgrinder atm

The advantage of switching to a non-peril weapon is that you can attack while it quells

But there's a delay before it starts

if you start quelling on a staff with good stats it'll be faster

[ebon jolt]

I’ve recently been testing using a gun + force sword just to take advantage of quell speeds. Not sure it’s worth it but nice to try something different from a staff.

[sweet lynx]

move speed also important.

[velvet trail]

Are you comparing it to manual quelling on a staff? or auto quelling

[idle halo]

Does Kinetic Flayer work with guns?

[loud violet]

Comparing passive quelling on a melee weapon to active quelling on a staff

like i said above

[velvet trail]

Yea thast not what my point was though. im only talking about passive quelling

[ebon jolt]

Yea.

[velvet trail]

Since the question was about blocking

[ebon jolt]

That’s the 10% BB feat right?

[idle halo]

Yeah. With a 15 second cooldown, yikes.

[ebon jolt]

That then triggers the 5s buff to increase non-warp damage by 15% for the bottom level 15 feat.

So if you’re using a recon lasgun with (I prefer burn on crit) you can actually make use of that feat.

[shut thorn]

Any significant changes since dec 2?

[ebon jolt]

My game now crashes more often.

[shut thorn]

Finally able to play again

[shut thorn]

Great

[idle halo]

No patches for the steam version. Patches for the gamepass version.

[shut thorn]

ty

[sweet lynx]

gamepass got to pretty much redownload the entire game, reconfigure graphics settings and input settings.

[polar gulch]

they still haven't figured out delta patching?

[shut thorn]

whats "meta" anyw now for 1 psyker in t5

Used to be void/surge + fs/dueling

I saw abt axe

[worthy wasp]

@fresh steeple

Mk5 pairs v well with peril hungry staffs like surge because you never need to hit the quell button... you just ani cancel into mk5 and do w/e because you quell fast with it in use due to it not being a force weapon (and unlike Force Sword, doesnt need to generate peril in order to dumpster elites)... so you can horde clear with push attacks, staggers elites with push attacks, kill elites with any string of attacks you wish to use cuz its a fkn axe, all while passively quelling.

[muted wyvern]

Is it viable to run anything but the surge staff? I feel like without that CC we'd be getting ganked by elites a whole lot more in like every game... I feel like I'm never not just sitting back being a stun bitch...

[ornate hamlet]

Your veterans should be handling elites a lot more, if you NEED the surge staff to handle them something fucky is afoot tbh

[shut thorn]

any staff other than trauma works

ig trauma can work but its clunky

[elder rivet]

hey i'm struggling with the penance kill a monstruosity alone in hazard 4 or 5, is anyone has a good BB build for doing it ? ty

[shut thorn]

get an ogryn with shield

[muted wyvern]

yeah, like "peak gameplay" is not fun

[vast rover]

i like the surge for a higher roll on the 10% to gain charge on hit

[shut thorn]

to tank it, tell them to back up against a wall

[worthy wasp]

I legit stun with surge, ani cancel into mk5, actually contribute to fighting/defend myself while I quell, and ani cancel to surge when needed

[fresh steeple]

so the only real synergy is that it has intrinsic anti-quell?

[elder rivet]

not easy to found one :[

[azure tartan]

fast way to lvl up to 30? spamm t2 in open groups?

[vast rover]

yup just left click once or twice and swap back

[shut thorn]

bait one from ogryn chat

[cyan echo]

I just tried the power sword, i understand why people think psykers are comparatively weak now.

I always thought psyker felt strong, but nothing compares to this

[loud violet]

So auto-quelling on a non-warp weapon is considerably faster than on force sword / staff

[elder rivet]

XD true psyker strat

[fresh steeple]

why Mk5 over any other melee weapon?

[worthy wasp]

The big reason to run mk5 on psyker instead of other classes is because as a psyker you dont need stamina to block... and spamming push attacks will blow through your stam

[velvet trail]

Yes, that is the point i was making to you

[grizzled shoal]

i had to carry 3 lvl 20+ zealots and sharpshooters on malice as a lvl 13

[signal jasper]

Hm why my game don't wan't to update on gamepass ? I tought the update were out ?

[polar gulch]

good dmg & attack combos

[worthy wasp]

And mk5 has an awesome push attack

[fresh steeple]

well, that's also a boon in favor of force sword, since you can spam its push without incident

I understand the auto-quelling benefit, but quelling manually with a high quell force staff is pretttty fast imo

[echo parrot]

Dont listen too them veterans. Let use surge them. In fact, dont even shoot at them or melee them. Let the psyker suicide bomb a group of them. It it is the best course of action

[jovial panther]

Whats this about not needing stamina to block? o_o

[vast rover]

perk

[fresh steeple]

Kinetic Deflection

[shut thorn]

Ngl I'll still stick to fs solely due to deflector

[vast rover]

gain peril

[jovial panther]

oh icic thought it's some hidden mechanic

[vast rover]

by the time you max peril you can purge.

[worthy wasp]

Right, but mk5 is able to leverage the defense that being able to spam push allows into a strong offense due to the strength/cleave of the push attack

[velvet trail]

The non-force autoquelling is nice because it doesnt leave you vulnerable when you desperately need to quell in the middle of a pack

[fresh steeple]

that's my main reason for having Force Sword

[velvet trail]

can just be blocking

[fresh steeple]

but most of the time I don't really wanna be melee-block-running into gunners anyway

so I can understand not running it

[worthy wasp]

Force sword is push>push "attack>light>heavy>repeat

[fresh steeple]

I just... still don't really get why sspecifically Mk5 axe is so desired

[worthy wasp]

Thats why I suggest pairing it with surge, you cc and and ani cancel into axe

[night marten]

force sword deflector is particularly good for short range staffs, allows you to push hallways and bridge the gap/weakness of your short range

[burnt python]

it has the best moveset

[polar gulch]

try it and then try the others

you'll see

[burnt python]

and strikedown lightss

[worthy wasp]

The push attack of mk5 >>> all other axes

[fresh steeple]

kk

[worthy wasp]

By far best moveset

[idle bay]

Siblings, i'm tempted to buy one .... though i know i most likely will not use it .. but perks are soo good...

[fresh steeple]

well, I've got a pretty decent one in the shop

[burnt python]

spam light attack or push attack on anything thats not carapace, heavy for carapace

[fresh steeple]

so I guess I'll nab it

[worthy wasp]

All the other axes stagger like crazy w/ push attack

But doodoo damage

[night marten]

how often are you going to be spamming heavy attack with a combat blade?

[idle halo]

No fans of the Assault Chainsword?

[echo parrot]

Chainsword is just a wallmart force sword.

[fresh steeple]

twins:

[velvet trail]

Axes have that really nice ignore-mass blessing too

[echo parrot]

On psyker anyways

[idle bay]

Not often... But perks! Especially with future ability to extract them.

[burnt python]

chain & force sword both have trash movesets

[fresh steeple]

that's on my zealot, though, so I do in fact get lots of use out of it

[austere burrow]

you mash heavy to do the movement tech

[night marten]

very fair. if it's just gold, why not

[austere burrow]

i wonder if that counts as chaining heavies actually

for the stacks

having a 15% chance to kill a mauler while moving might be funny

[worthy wasp]

Ye the issue I see with Zealot utilizing Mk5 is that they have a lot of synergy with crit and mk5 isnt a crit machine

And

[prisma minnow]

Should I wait until lvl 30 (currently 21) before attempting hersey with randos so I can at least hold my own a bit better?

[worthy wasp]

It consumes stam like a mofo

[night marten]

yea, unless you're fine with a really intense/difficult experience. if you group with great people you will get carried regardless. but your gear won't be able to keep up with much imo, not to mention missing two tiers of talents

[burnt python]

heresy is fine for 20+ if you play smart imo

[worthy wasp]

Which doesnt matter to psyker but matters to zealot

[dusky smelt]

heresy is a huge difficulty spike for me rn

[fresh steeple]

?

[prisma minnow]

I consider myself a smart player but I also dont want to be the dude fucking it up for others because I'm too low of level

[flint plover]

i mean, you're still holding your team back a bit

[cyan echo]

Try finding one with lower intensity , otherwise it is always endless horde

[burnt python]

20 is high enough power level for heresy

[fresh steeple]

I was saying that my dagger was on the zealot. The mk5 discussion is entirely psyker-based atm I think

[burnt python]

i've leveled multiple chars on heresy from 20 up w/o issue

[flint plover]

yes, high enough

you still aren't as effective as your equivalent 30

[sullen bobcat]

It's just annoying missing breakpoints because you're just given worse gear

[austere burrow]

hold sprint > charge heavy > release heavy > slide > loop

[idle bay]

It seems that "Pick up scriptures 0/25" is bugged for me. Completed misson with 3/3 Scripturees and got no task progress

[austere burrow]

with knife it makes you zoom

[night marten]

for most people I wouldn't agree. for a skilled few, definitely

[burnt python]

that is true regardless of difficulty

[fresh steeple]

gotcha

[flint plover]

like, maybe you specifically are good in heresy at 20+, but i can tell you now that 99% of people are not

[prisma minnow]

the way I've seen some play I don't think the level matters at all 😛

[burnt python]

in my experience you get better teammates in ehresy than malice

and runs are of equal smoothness or better

[pearl thicket]

20 is fine

[loud violet]

I generally dont trust people below 30 on heresy

lmao

[ornate hamlet]

When most people at 20+ arent good at malice

[fresh steeple]

I don't even get placed with people below 30 regardless of what difficulty it's on

[flint plover]

that's why im glad that 30s get matched together

[echo parrot]

I get lots of ragers and quitters in heresy. On damnation ive had some of the best teammates.

[burnt python]

the people who aren't good at malice probably aren't trying to queue heresy

[fresh steeple]

level-banded matchmaking too stronk

[burnt python]

it's a differnet player pool

[flint plover]

i think a lot of people who aren't good and heading into higher difficulties are looking for a free lunch

maybe i'm just cynical by this point

[austere burrow]

you can't get carried as hard in darktide vs vt2

so you definitely feel it if someone is struggling on your team

[burnt python]

i thi nk you can carry just as well in dt when 4 are alive

but clutches are way harder

[gray kelp]

it reminds me a lot of v1, people would queue for difficulties they were dead weight on to skip gear grind

[worthy wasp]

Nah

The issue is the low difficulties are ez

And they go into higher ones thinkin this game is dynasty warriors

[flint plover]

on that note, is it just me or is malice in general a lot easier compared to beta?

[austere burrow]

yeah maybe i'm just not there yet skill wise in darktide lol

but you can almost like 1 man carry in vt2

[bright cipher]

there really should be some lock out from higher difficulties

but tbh

i started malice at lvl10

and heresy at 20

[gray kelp]

are you using slides a lot? they make a big difference for survivability

[bright cipher]

and did fine by just playing like vt2

[valid marsh]

Cleave

all of it

[flint plover]

personally, as a long time vt2 vet, im trying to get used to not just dodging

[austere burrow]

ya i do all the movement stuff

[honest geyser]

weak cleave roll though

[worthy wasp]

Thats why I'm glad there isnt scoreboard/damage dealt.

Because a horde of fucktard plebs that run from group and die 10 times will scream "BuT lOoK @ mY dAmAgE BROOOOO" in unison and think they carried

[fresh steeple]

hmmmmm guess it's a good pick-up with that new Mk5 axe I'll be trying tonight

[tired cosmos]

Can anyone help explain to a newb how to manage my peril. Like keep it up?

[austere burrow]

just not super clean yet

will get there over time

[fresh steeple]

first time I've ever found Focused Channeling on a Surge Staff, so that's nice

[gray kelp]

they already do tbh, vets who do literally nothing useful think they carry in a lot of my quick play matches

I don't think lack of scoreboard has changed group dynamics much

[loud violet]

Crafting can't come soon enough

[honest geyser]

savage sweepes can be a lot higher:

[valid marsh]

I know

[austere burrow]

what do you mean

[sullen bobcat]

I bet that slices through a horde like a hot knife through butter

[austere burrow]

i usually jack it up and then vent

because it vents faster at higher peril

or at least it feels like it does

[valid marsh]

kind of which chainsword's shredder mode could cleave

[honest geyser]

it does, but I'm cursed to never get a force sword. Haven't seen one since rating 200 stuff

[sullen bobcat]

Hold R and vent a lot. Get the talent that turns perils lost into toughness, and use the ult when you're being surrounded or about to blow up especially the second one

[burnt rampart]

What is savage sweep suppose to do

[tired cosmos]

@austere burrow thanks for responding. I mean the psychic energy button. I don't know exactly how much is needed and what's a good number. Isn't 100% bad?

[lapis shale]

Why... i dont want this... 😩

[burnt rampart]

Cleave number or damage?

[sullen bobcat]

My blue sword is a meh roll except for the deflect

[frigid pond]

Personally i sit around 90% in most situations

[echo parrot]

380 stat roll. Goddamn.

[austere burrow]

psychic energy?

what's that lol

[loud violet]

that's wicked

[austere burrow]

the class skill?

[sullen bobcat]

I got a 375 stat devil's claw roll on my psyker. Highest I've seen

[tired cosmos]

@austere burrow yes

[austere burrow]

you just use it to save yourself if you mess up

[tired cosmos]

@austere burrow the percentage

[loud violet]

I got my 378 force sword

[mystic burrow]

worth getting? I wanna get every weapon that has good stats

[sullen bobcat]

Using things that create perils above certain percentages causes you to overcharge and blow up. It's like 97% for brain burst and less for staves

[tired cosmos]

@austere burrow also I'm only done 1 mission. I don't know when I can get a staff I was told to get one

[austere burrow]

ohh you're level 1

[half river]

I have questions. Does soulblaze still increase damage taken, how much does soulblaze stack, does purgatus staff apply soulblaze

[gray kelp]

if you dont have any ranged weapons above 369 base rating than id say so, just so you can get higher rolls in shop in the future

[sullen bobcat]

High levels and the weapon shop. Grind more

[frigid pond]

Oooh

[austere burrow]

there's not much to manage if you don't have a staff

[frigid pond]

Yeah staffs kinda change it

[sullen bobcat]

Staffs and the force sword completely changes psyker

[austere burrow]

i guess something that's worth knowing is that you can charge brain burst starting at 97

and you won't blow up even when you hit 100

[tired cosmos]

I guess what is my role now and when do I get the force staff what lvl because I feel useless@austere burrow @sullen bobcat @frigid pond

[sullen bobcat]

Staff overcharge thresholds are wonky ime

[frigid pond]

And if you do hit 100 and start the blowing up animation, the force skill you mentioned saves you

[sullen bobcat]

Brain burst specials

[honest geyser]

another day with 4 auto and las guns in my daily shop. They need to remove this trash from our kit

[austere burrow]

at low level focus on brain bursting specials/elites

because at low difficulty it one shots a lot of them

[gray kelp]

trying this thing out in meat grinder and good lord the peril gain on it

[frigid pond]

I really dislike trauma staff :( i wanna like it but…

[honest geyser]

if only it was a void or surge

[tired cosmos]

@sullen bobcat @austere burrow okay thank you. Is there a certain lvl the staff and force sword become available?

[loud violet]

Literally got screwed on the most important stat

it's still a wicked staff

[austere burrow]

i'm not sure when they unlock

[frigid pond]

Its pretty early

[sullen bobcat]

Somewhere around the 10s or something

[austere burrow]

even when they unlock you still have to wait for the shop to have one lol

[frigid pond]

I think trauma is pre-10

[burnt python]

i'm enjoying trauma, it's not the best but it's still 100% playable

[gentle hemlock]

If you are about to pop and a beast of nurgle eats you. Will you blow up inside? Or does it cancel it?

[honest geyser]

I'd still rather use Trauma than Purg

[frigid pond]

Cancels

[honest geyser]

at least Trauma hurts things

[austere burrow]

spicy meal

damn nvm no spicy meal

[velvet trail]

1. Dont think so, 2. Dictated by the burn stat on staff, but not sure how that interacts with the stacks from the skill tree 3. Yes

[sullen bobcat]

Trauma has really good stagger

[tired cosmos]

@austere burrow @frigid pond @sullen bobcat okay thanks for all your help. Last question. What stats are best on a staff?

[frigid pond]

Id assume, mutants do, learned that the hard way…

[lavish cipher]

Yeah the heavy attack can be spammed a few for half damage but a lot of stun. It doesn't beat voidstrike passing through everything

[burnt python]

trauma has a niche as an el ite killer

[sullen bobcat]

Probably the most useful part

[solid lake]

Mutants and dogs dont cancel the pop though, so you can die if they grab you before you F

[loud violet]

Trauma is decent when there's a lot of chokepoints

[sullen bobcat]

Damage, quell speed, charge time, and warp resistance imo. It's up to pretence to some degree

[frigid pond]

Was trying to get the penance and a mutant just stopped my blowing up explosion :(

[gray kelp]

notably though it seems like 80%-ish peril is pretty safe for edging full charge trauma though

[sullen bobcat]

I can definitely mix in trauma explosions during melee. Just do a quick charge for massive stagger

[burnt python]

i believe you can pop the right click at anything under 99% on trauma and you live

[tired cosmos]

Should I do the advanced training?

[tall mesa]

Guys.

[burnt python]

not positive

[austere burrow]

surge staff only really cares about warp resist and quell speed to make it usable

yes do the advanced training

[frigid pond]

You can during the explosion

[honest geyser]

Yes

[tired cosmos]

Okay

[austere burrow]

it takes like 5 minutes and teaches you very important things

[frigid pond]

Like the animation of blowing up you can vent with F

[tall mesa]

with "haste" and 3 curios with cdr on it can refresh wrath under 7 seconds xD

[tired cosmos]

Thanks so much for the help really appreciate it

[burnt python]

quell speed stat has p minimal imapct on every staff btw

[frigid pond]

Oh wait I misunderstood what you said

Nvm

[austere burrow]

oh really

i haven't actually looked at the range

[candid hawk]

idk if thats the case for any staff. all staffs if you cast at 100% ou blow up far as ive seen. Brain bust can be cast at 95% or lower peril though and even if you hit 100% long as you were at 95% when you started chsaarging you wont blow up

[frigid pond]

Surge kills me at like 80%

[burnt python]

someone did the math the other day and it was like 3.7s vs 4.2s for a 20% and 80% quell staff respectively

[frigid pond]

Cuz my surge staff sucks

[burnt python]

its deceptive because of how the quell speed ramping works

[solid lake]

Surge and purge both have a hit of peril at the end of the cast that can explode you, ive had it with surge sometimes it goes straight past the blowing up anim and downs you before you can ult

[burnt python]

if you want to constantly quell small amounts, the stat matters a lot more

personally i'm either quelling all the way to 0 to take advantage of the ramp speed, ro pulling out my melee and letting it go passively

[loud violet]

I swear surge staff is the one staff the blows me up the most

The anim lock is painful

[austere burrow]

i usually drop down to 50ish unless i have the space to keep going

[honest geyser]

I feel like this happens to me too

[prisma minnow]

For sure.

[austere burrow]

surge has an extra hit at the end or something

other staves let you go to 100 no problem

[gentle hemlock]

So far void staff with 3% quell on weak spot hit is my fav thing ever. You can almost fire the charge forever.

[polar river]

why dont you sprint after casting the surge staff ?

[austere burrow]

with surge you blow up if you hit 100

[fresh steeple]

95+% of my explosions ever are because of Surge Staff

[frigid pond]

You can with purg too, but its easier to watch out for

[austere burrow]

i just got used to watching my peril more closely lol

will still randomly blow up sometimes

[solid lake]

Switching to force sword after maxing out, then forgetting and using the push attack gets me sometimes

[frigid pond]

Does push… do that…?

[velvet trail]

push atttack

[solid lake]

The push used to, but now its just the push stab

[austere burrow]

push doesn't cost anything now

[frigid pond]

Oh right

[flint plover]

generates like 3 peril

[candid hawk]

for me its the brain bust fix. i pull out my staff expecting it to be my sword and use a light attack and peril out lol

[frigid pond]

90% of my explosions were surge staff… moments

I swear it just jumps and decides to kill me

Games haunted

[solid lake]

The warp's a fickle mistress

[prisma minnow]

i usually keep my combat ability off cooldown and only use it to emergency quell to save my ass the majority of the time.

[gentle hemlock]

I want per class bindings. I find myself pressing F instead of G all the time. I think it might just be a skill issue.

[teal needle]

I haven't gotten the 'insta down from 100% peril with staff' bug in a few days at least

[austere burrow]

i haven't chanced it lol

[frigid pond]

Ive noticed as well with staves it doesnt always let me

[teal needle]

I like to live dangerously

[frigid pond]

Like i just die

[austere burrow]

i think if you go too far above 100 you just die instantly

[frigid pond]

Purge staff moment i guess

[austere burrow]

because i only really noticed it on surge staff

[frigid pond]

Same

[austere burrow]

and taht's the only one that lets you jack up your peril that high

[iron sundial]

Yeah same, which really tripped me out the first time lol

[frigid pond]

Like i was like “oh im… dead?”

[solid lake]

Maybe thats the easy way to get the kill 3 elites with an overcharge explosion penance

[frigid pond]

Maybe, so i can stop getting interrupted by god damn mutants >:(

[sullen bobcat]

More peril generation is good imo since it generates more toughness

[iron sundial]

Yeah had many times where I was like damn I can do it this time but I'm only at 10% and I cant get it up fast

Because of the staff im using and no forcesword to help

[frigid pond]

Let me dodge while im blowing up please game :)

[iron sundial]

Yall ever get a full sibling team?

[austere burrow]

most i had was 3

[iron sundial]

Was quite the experience

[prisma minnow]

I just had a run with 3

[frigid pond]

I feel like… that would kinda suck depending

[iron sundial]

Went really slow

[frigid pond]

Like imagine if everyone brought surge staff

[echo parrot]

No but once I had 3 ogs and me as a psyker.

[iron sundial]

But was fun

[stiff maple]

Pray one of the siblings has kinetic deflector

[echo parrot]

Wall of flesh to shoot through

[frigid pond]

Definitely funny but it would take solong

[stiff maple]

And different mix of staves

[austere burrow]

a team of all psykers can do a scuffed version of a normal team

[frigid pond]

Like i could see it working pretty well when planned

[iron sundial]

Yeah we all had different staves haha

[stiff maple]

Bless

[prisma minnow]

it was only on sedition difficulty and I noticed no real difference if i'm honest

[stiff maple]

Big E blessed you then

[frigid pond]

But… random party could be scary

[austere burrow]

i think like 2 void + 1 surge + wildcard could be decent

[heady bramble]

Had 2 fire staffs and a lightning staff triple psyker. Run was actually incredibly easy

[sullen bobcat]

Surge staff spam with 2 psykers is easy mode

[iron sundial]

Had that many times allnon my veteran
Was like ill rp a zealot now

[frigid pond]

I will forever be a fire staff enjoyer

[prisma minnow]

my favorite run so far was 2 ogryns and 2 psykers

[honest geyser]

Which difficulty do you play? I tried it a few times in Malice and it feels like you're only good for hordes

[echo parrot]

Somebody make a psyker with only surge staff and name them The-Senate

[honest geyser]

no ranged attack is awful

[frigid pond]

Malice when alone, heresy with my friends so it is kinda niche

Ill take void when im going alone into heresy

Because yeah

No ranged is sad

[iron sundial]

Still want the bolt staff that sienna had in vt2
Fast firing bolts with Lmb and rmb charges strong single shot bolt

[honest geyser]

I feel like void does everything purg does, but better

[austere burrow]

ki blasting zombies sounds like it would be fun

[frigid pond]

Eh, i guess but purg just feels better to me

[austere burrow]

i just want coruscation back

[frigid pond]

I like the easy6 stack

[austere burrow]

shotgun would go so hard in darktide

[frigid pond]

Since purg is soulblaze

[daring grotto]

I just started my phychker a couple of days ago. Worst experience by far. 150 health, horrible stamina, no staffs or force weapons intially, This class gets so many L's. First 10 levels were brutal, its starting to open up around 15.

[frigid pond]

Just trying out different stuff, void is definitely worth it/the better of the options though

[honest geyser]

I want to like Purg but I think they need to give it the regular ranged attack

[daring grotto]

best thing is head pop, the force push is weak. I can head pop, once I get a lock and that is the most goated thing

[austere burrow]

psyker early game is pretty pain

you're basically a scuffed vet

[frigid pond]

Pretty much, but it does get a lot better

[austere burrow]

ya the class is so fun once it gets going

[frigid pond]

Getting that first staff makes a huge difference

[daring grotto]

I already have a 30 zealot, and ogryn Those were super fun, I had a blast for different reasons even in early game

[frigid pond]

Kinda unlucky you havent seen one post 10

[daring grotto]

?

wym

[frigid pond]

A staff

[daring grotto]

yeah thats wierd

[frigid pond]

Im pretty sure trauma is pre-10 level wise

[shadow quail]

better off using a gun

[honest geyser]

Surge staff is where I started to enjoy psyker. Force sword was neat for a bit but then I never saw another one drop

[daring grotto]

You think you have at least 1 weapon related to your class unique by default or lvl 2

[velvet trail]

i would not be glad to lose purg left click to get the same as the rest of the staves. That thing is awesome for staggering hordes rapidly

[frigid pond]

Im pretty sure force sword is unlocked at lvl2-3

[shadow quail]

Love the force sword can tank and CC like mad

[honest geyser]

yeah, but my store only stocks auto guns and axes

[frigid pond]

I love force sword

Definitely my favorite melee weapon in the game

[daring grotto]

it is, but having 1 for ranged would been nice as well, seeing how every class has a unique ranged/mellee

[honest geyser]

I have my off brand force sword for now(chainsword)

[shadow quail]

I was just in a gam, mum called me got distracted and walled in by a horde, just tanked it then ran through the horde parting them like the red sea

[frigid pond]

Though dont knock dueling sword, its good too

The real meme for weapons is thunder hammer, or at least that what ive heard

[daring grotto]

when you guys finish your psycher I recomend zealot, its not as scuffed as phycher was. And you will slowly turn into doom guy

very enjoyable class

[tight saddle]

The unfortunate thing about Zealot is that it's not Psyker.

[frigid pond]

Zealots ight but

Yeah

Lol

I cant… deal with elites anymore on other classes, or at least as easily

Like the lockdown and damage is so nice

[daring grotto]

understanable

[iron sundial]

Thunder hammer is okay just the special needs tweaking in the cleave and crowd control department

[frigid pond]

Yee this

[daring grotto]

I don't like the thunder hammer, I was expecting it to have more of an aoe like in other warhammer media

[tight saddle]

Imagine actually fighting enemies instead of them just sitting there waiting for you to molest them any way you want?

[snow herald]

that just kind of seems to be Zealots shortcoming, trash clearing with melee.

[frigid pond]

But yeah ive been spoiled by force sword and blocking with peril

[daring grotto]

but no, its just a hammer taser

[iron sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-40k-video-game-gif-12881358

If only

[daring grotto]

I don't like it, but cant deny the solo mellee killing ability

[snow herald]

Chainswords are kind of disappointing against trash too

[daring grotto]

it honestly should

[daring grotto]

nah bro that hericy right there

[frigid pond]

Honestly im just going dagger zealot because it feels the best so far

[daring grotto]

chain swords are amazing

[honest geyser]

Vet is the melee class. Power sword is too good

[frigid pond]

Everything else has felt… meh

[frigid pond]

Actually though

[daring grotto]

especially the unique eviserator long chain sword

omg

RIP AND TEAR!!!

so good

[frigid pond]

Its so funny to me that vet is the best melee class when its the “sharpshooter”

[iron sundial]

Would very much be pleased if they add more force weapons

[pale scarab]

Zealot or Ogryn using a bleed dagger is the most fun you can have in melee

[iron sundial]

Force spear please

[snow herald]

evisc swings soooo slow the only good way to use it on trash is to constantly do the block into second heavy attack thing and even then it feels slow.

[frigid pond]

Zealot dagger bleed is definitely very fun ill admit to that

But its definitely not what I imagined when i think of zealot

[daring grotto]

anyways, psycher. Whats your favorate staff, I kinda liked the aoe land mind staff, but then I saw the shock staff, I grabbed it, ngl I thought it would be more impresive, charge needs to be maxed for a decent arch

and the stun is maybe a second?

[frigid pond]

Shock staff has incredible CC, very good

[daring grotto]

Flame staff though....

[frigid pond]

Void is best for damage

[pale scarab]

Surge w/ dueling sword, or Voidstrike with forcesword

[snow herald]

I don't have the flamethrower style staff yet but I'm liking void

[weak galleon]

It depends.
p.s. we should really pin that .

but aside from minmaxing - Voidstrike and Purge. I dont like being a CC bot.

[frigid pond]

Flame is my favorite but its definitely weaker, its good if ur team can compensate

[daring grotto]

That flame staff looks amazing, I used a flamer for zealot and your telling me yall had warp flamer staff

I was so happy, whats the difference btw?

does it ignore carapice?

[iron sundial]

Shock staff is very good it can stop charging muties

[frigid pond]

Nope

[snow herald]

the land mind one feels a bit clunky with the ground targeting compared to just chain lightning on a whole room or a big void blast down a hallway.

[silver root]

Can you share ur thought on why duelling sword with surge?

[bright cipher]

best place for the drop 7 dudes of a cliff penance?

[snow herald]

and the damage falloff is so quick only the thing standing right on my mine seems to take any actual damage

[bright cipher]

i thought force sword push would wrok

b

but it doesnt shove enough

[daring grotto]

wasnt it 20 people?

[frigid pond]

Dueling gives more mobility, personally im in the boat of use dueling sword until you get a deflector force sword

[frigid pond]

Nerfed, its 7 now

[bright cipher]

reeeeee

[daring grotto]

....

[bright cipher]

i dont wanna use a trauma staff

please tell me theres a better way

[silver root]

Use push plus special ability

[honest geyser]

I did the 20 at once in Chasam Logistratum or whatever it's called

[frigid pond]

The furnace map works

Or whatever its called

[bright cipher]

do i just run the lowest difficulty and tank a horde near an edge?

[frigid pond]

And just gather them up and press f

[bright cipher]

its kind of hard to attempt it on heresy lol

[solid lake]

Force sword push is good for cleanup if they dont go all the way off

[honest geyser]

higher difficulty the better but probably doesn't matter with only needing 7 now

[daring grotto]

bro why cant they nerf some of them other challenges XO!!!! I would of loved if they nerfed that challenge were I have to kill 40 enemies with stun grenade in 10second with zealot ;3; on mailice or higher

my team kills them before I can!

[frigid pond]

Wait is that a zealot challenge? Am i stupid i dont recall that

[pale scarab]

So surge staff deals massively reduced damage to infested stuff, so when a horde spawns with all infested dooders you’re up shit creek, the surge staff also handles the little infantry gunners exceptionally well so you dont need the deflector as much. I feel mostly unstoppable on heresy with surge/dueling it feels like I have an answer to everything except monstrosities, but I run kinetic deflector talent so I’m fairly comfortable being the tank when they come out anyway dodging/blocking is pretty chill

[obtuse bough]

Void + Dagger has become my build now xD speed from the dagger allows for quicker repositioning and lots of hits to trigger BB on hit. Then Void for its ability to help clear hordes and stun specials.

[daring grotto]

it is!!!!

[fresh steeple]

super easy. barely an inconvenience.

Spawn a horde at the beginning, run back to that little bridge and funnel mobs into it, then have the Psyker run up onto the main walkway and blast them off

it hits like 40

[daring grotto]

And it is bs!!!

[frigid pond]

I only recall the health one

Which is worse

[daring grotto]

they made ogryn friendship one better

[frigid pond]

Imo

[daring grotto]

originally it was the ENTIRE TEAM had to be in cohistancy which is nigh imposible with randoms

[frigid pond]

Oh wait its kill them while their stunned thats right

[daring grotto]

now its just with at least one other person 🙂

way better! on malice or higher

[silver root]

So dueling sword = mobility and better stam for dodging not so much the attacks?

[frigid pond]

I mean it could be worse, it could be psykers kill a boss 90% of his health with BB

You actually cant let ur team hit it basically

[pale scarab]

It cleaves real good but yeah the dodge is also a factor

[silver root]

Thanks sibling I appreciate you

[daring grotto]

Some of these challenges are bullshit fat shark. People be petty or dont allow you to do your thing on the malice or higher challenges ;3;

[frigid pond]

A lot of the heresy+ ones are tough, as they should be

[iron sundial]

Yeah pretty much the only penance I need to do would have to get my buddies to help me with that

Oh also the kill 3 elites

[honest geyser]

use the LFG channel in this discord, it makes it way easier to get stuff done

[frigid pond]

Yee im kinda excited to try for it soon

Yeah heresy+ challenges are basically impossible alone

[daring grotto]

honestly...at least the bots stay together...

[frigid pond]

Definitely gotta have a squad that goes in with the plan to do those things

[daring grotto]

speaking of penaces

what do the score do?

I have a theory

[frigid pond]

Nothing

[daring grotto]

aside form gamer score

[frigid pond]

Its just achievement points type stuff

[night marten]

it's just for bragging currently

[loud violet]

emperor is being funny again

[hardy lily]

If achievement points unlocked gear score 😅

[daring grotto]

higher penace unlocks new cosmetics, for you to buy. Because I noticed while leveling up, you unlock more gear

[frigid pond]

Pretty sure thats just level

[daring grotto]

Thats what I noticed

but thats a theory

Isnt that with weapons

I noticed level unlocks weapons

[frigid pond]

It can be both

[daring grotto]

hmmm

I see

[frigid pond]

Its either that or just RNG shop

[hardy lily]

What if you're capped to 80 max stat until you hit 1000 achievement points lol

[frigid pond]

Im assuming the 80 cap is cuz red weapons will probably be added

Is my currrrrent guess

[daring grotto]

I wish your penace did do something. Like hey, you did these easy challenges increase drop chance for purple weapons in store

idk

[frigid pond]

I mean you get gear

[daring grotto]

red weapons?

[frigid pond]

Thats about it

Yeah like from VT2

Tier above orange

[daring grotto]

hmm...

[loud violet]

at least I can harvest the blessings later

[frigid pond]

huh

[daring grotto]

so 3 perks 2 blessings?

[frigid pond]

I mean maybe i dunno

Its just a guess based on the fact that gear caps at 80% rn

[steady pollen]

Does the energy staff ever get good? it seems so bad right now at low levels

[frigid pond]

Energy staff?

[dusky smelt]

theres 4 staffs

[steady pollen]

I'm watching dogdog right now

[frigid pond]

Im assuming you’re talking about trauma/landmine staff?

[steady pollen]

I think it's the first staff you unlock, I could've sword it was called energy staff

[daring grotto]

you know I never seen a weapon with a 100% bar

not even 95%

[hardy lily]

Trauma does suck without charging speed

[frigid pond]

There cant be

It caps at 80

[dusky smelt]

trauma is the first

[daring grotto]

why?

[frigid pond]

Dunno, just how it is

[hardy lily]

because fatshark willed it so

[dusky smelt]

probably for "crafting" or later rarities

[daring grotto]

so...

[frigid pond]

Hence why im guessing theyll add red tier

[hasty wolf]

Is there a good map to do cliffhanger on?

[daring grotto]

white weapon capped at 20%?

[frigid pond]

No

[hardy lily]

no

[daring grotto]

green at 40%

[hardy lily]

all weapons capped at 80%

[dusky smelt]

cliffhanger was made way easier wasnt it?

[daring grotto]

huh...

[hardy lily]

I assume omnissiah will get upgrade stat option like it has grayed out and 80% is just base cap

[frigid pond]

Its 7 enemys yeah, idr the name of the map but the forge demon killing one is great

[dusky smelt]

the low levels you see are bc your level is low

[frigid pond]

Yeah

[daring grotto]

you know what gun I want?

[frigid pond]

You get better weapons at higher levels

[daring grotto]

Hell gun. That be fun.

[hardy lily]

probably be a premium currency above plasteel and diamantine to raise weapons to 100%

[daring grotto]

you thought the recon las mg was cool

[steady pollen]

yea its the trauma force staff, is this thing supposed to be super bad?

[hardy lily]

what if it's paid currency 😹

[dusky smelt]

trauma kinda sucks

[frigid pond]

Some people like it, personally i hate it

[hardy lily]

Trauma is fine but low charge rate makes it horrible

[steady pollen]

when do you unlock the stunning staff

[frigid pond]

Idr levels, its after trauma though

[hardy lily]

Force is bae

[sage barn]

For staffs either the electric or flame. Great for suppressing ranged and making eaves squishy.

[frigid pond]

I will forever be a flame/purge staff enjoyer

[hardy lily]

Force + Dueling Sword + Brain Burst covers every base

[hasty wolf]

void > all

fight me

[frigid pond]

Surge or void are definitely the better options though depending on comps

[pearl thicket]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2890127609

[hardy lily]

Pox Bursters make Surge unreasonable useful

especially because of the server lag lately

[honest geyser]

you can knock them over with other stuff now

[hardy lily]

phantom hits currently make pushing unreliable

Surge staff is a channel so a phantom hit is nearly impossible

[gray quarry]

It is done siblings!

[frigid pond]

Personally havent noticed too much lag, just my teammates hitting them when i try to push :’)

[frigid pond]

God it LOOKS SO GOOD

[hardy lily]

if you play veteran the phantom hits are impossible not to notice

[frigid pond]

Mm i have

[hardy lily]

now you just need the Auric charm to show off your hours played lol

[frigid pond]

Bit confused on what you’re referring too with phantom hits, are they just like, blowing up while you push or something?

[loud violet]

iT still has the blad spot

lmao

[ornate hamlet]

anyone has tips for the penance to kill 3 elites at once?

[unique oar]

worth using with +2 bleeds or need more?

[hardy lily]

phantom hits meaning the hit doesn't register. Like Veteran headshots giving headshot ping and showing headshot red reticle and them not staggering or taking damage

[frigid pond]

Surge staff builds perils quick :’) other then that pray

Ideally go in with a full stack and be like “alright lemmie at em”

[shadow quail]

Great selection

[neat hearth]

Low carb selection

[frigid pond]

Also keep in mind that dogs and mutants can stop you from blowing up and you just die

[hardy lily]

time to level another character @shadow quail

[frigid pond]

:(

[heady zenith]

Hey is the Pick n Mix Penance bugged atm

[ornate hamlet]

any other way to do it without dying?

[neat hearth]

I am in absolute pain rn:

[frigid pond]

Nope

[hardy lily]

I hate when mutants charge you when you're going to ult to prevent blowup and that kills you lol

[neat hearth]

I question how you put yourrself in that situation when mutants are loud as balls

[ornate hamlet]

ffs its been hard enough to gather 3 elites

[hardy lily]

because they instant spawn near doors

[frigid pond]

It requires the explosion and thus you shall die for the god emperor for the shirt

[ornate hamlet]

I have no one to do it with

[neat hearth]

Oh

That makes sense nvm

[hardy lily]

nothing is as fun as a pox burster silently blowing up without warning near a door

[echo parrot]

Grats!, now help me get mine 😆

[flint plover]

i think you should see a doctor about that, man

[robust cape]

or that pox burster that waits for you to heal before running through a door

[flint plover]

your balls should not be making noises

[hardy lily]

it's almost like you need a psyker to spam surge staff if you're cornered near a door to not die

[trail tapir]

Trapper netting you through a door in the middle of a horde

[hardy lily]

I've been netted by a trapped through a floor

[frigid pond]

Snipers thru floors are my favorite

[ornate hamlet]

I hate this game

[slate cedar]

I wanna get that for my psyker.

[trail tapir]

Snipers suck because deflector should block them but doesn't

[hardy lily]

oh and I love when the horde can wail on you through a window

[neat hearth]

I did visit my doctor and they said they were totally fine.
I'm trying to be a bit more open-minded, hence why I went with a doctor who is a follower of Slaanesh.
I can't say it's worked but it's definitely opened my mind and a few other things in the process.

[slate cedar]

I think it might be quite 'easy' now though. Because the daemonhost can't sem to get past the ogryn's shield

[frigid pond]

Its okay, the heresy+ difficulty challenges are harder :’)

[pale scarab]

demonhost cant cut through kinetic deflector either

[slate cedar]

I love how chip damage still goes through your toughness. Like the tutorial specifically said it didn't

[frigid pond]

THIS

[void terrace]

the penances in general for psyker are just evil

[frigid pond]

I LOWKEY LOVE TANKING DEAMONHOSTS

[shadow quail]

Same lol

[frigid pond]

i wish they were worth fighting though

[austere burrow]

tanking demonhosts is insanely funny

just hold right click and afk

[shadow quail]

Had a guy shout at me for waking it then was shocked when I just facetanked it

[trail tapir]

It's a sign you don't feed them enough.

A couple more weeks like that and they'll open and start snapping their teeth and salivating everywhere.

[pale scarab]

ezy brain burst monstrosity penance get a sibling to tank the demonhost for you

[austere burrow]

yeah same

[frigid pond]

Truuuu!

[austere burrow]

i still don't do it though

[frigid pond]

Blessed siblings

[austere burrow]

because it's kind of a waste of time lol

[ebon jolt]

What if they dropped crafting materials after defeated? I’d fight it.

[frigid pond]

They need to drop something

[ornate hamlet]

ive done them as veteran, just ding side kick as pysker

[hardy lily]

they need to drop deez nuts

[loud violet]

How do you tank daemon host?

[frigid pond]

The block with peril perk

[shadow quail]

Force sword, block efficency and peril perk

[frigid pond]

Yeah

[hardy lily]

have 3 veterans shoot it with XII while the psykers dashes around with dueling sword

[shadow quail]

that too

[frigid pond]

You become an absolute monster tank

Especially with deflector, but that doesn’t matter for daemonhost as much

[shadow quail]

Deflector is great

[frigid pond]

I just want it

[loud violet]

Block efficiency coming from perk or?

[frigid pond]

You can get it from curios

[shadow quail]

can get it on the weapon too, and with deflector perk

[frigid pond]

But the deflector force sword perk comes with it too

[ornate hamlet]

great fucking penance, kill yourself and spite your team, like come on obese fish

[unkempt juniper]

What are some good blessings for dueling swords? I don't really like most of the ones I've seen

[pale scarab]

RNG till they add crafting

[frigid pond]

You should see zealots lol

[shadow quail]

obese fish XD

[ornate hamlet]

ive seen them, some can be cheased very eaisly

psyekr is impossible without a team, and im alone to play this game

[gray quarry]

asking nicely works often

[shadow quail]

you can find people in discord to help

[frigid pond]

Usually yeah

There is a LFG thing here

[ornate hamlet]

I asked many times, only few worked, and when it worked, game RNG said "No"

like RN

[night marten]

welp, someone managed a godroll (not me). gg https://i.imgur.com/a8FkfY8.png

[gray quarry]

yea that happens, if took me a few consistent days of trying to get pick n mix

[grizzled shoal]

voidstrike is so good

[loud violet]

That's disgustingly good

[frigid pond]

Pick n mix is hard without level 30 i feel

[grizzled shoal]

palpatine staff feels weak

[frigid pond]

Is palpatine surge

[loud violet]

It is weak

[frigid pond]

Im stupid

[loud violet]

Yes

[frigid pond]

Surge is amazing

[loud violet]

You use it to support your team

[modern dirge]

anybody understand how this suppression mechanic works?

[frigid pond]

The CC on it is incredible

[loud violet]

not to kill shit on your own

[frigid pond]

But you will not kill it

If you trust ur team its incredible

[weak galleon]

Ranged enemies cant shoot your properly.

[loud violet]

And frankly I'd rather kill stuff since my teams tend to assume that surge = Oh they can kill it on their own

[weak galleon]

yes, 5m radius against ranged enemies. enjoy

[grizzled shoal]

yea but i think the amount of enemies u can target should be more

[frozen cloud]

Best for stunning, wish it hit more than just 5 enemies

[modern dirge]

oh that seems not great lol

[grizzled shoal]

on palpatine staff

[frigid pond]

It prios elites

[crisp yacht]

Surge staff good. Animation cancel into axe stuff in face. You will kill lots.

[frigid pond]

It gets the job done

[olive ember]

depends on the loadout but a good team benefits from a surge staff alot

[shadow quail]

Surge is top tier

[frigid pond]

Surge is super good in the right hands/team

Probably the best staff

[loud violet]

It's just not fun imho

[olive ember]

its the one weapon in the game that can hard cc poxhounds, bursters, mutants, etc.

[frigid pond]

Thats fair

[shadow quail]

I love it