psyker-class

[prime atlas]

Personally, I dont even care about the penances, cosmetics dont matter to me in the slightest 🙂

[rare ingot]

who's up for cliffhanger

[cloud maple]

Photoshop? With my paint skills?

[potent lotus]

nah mate, I'm just built different

[gray kelp]

btw, spamming malice/heresy best for plasteel farm? or should I go down lower diff

[dusk pilot]

at least you'll have an easier time of it

getting 20 kills via push was just

eeeee

[potent lotus]

yea that's why I didn't before

[cloud maple]

I hear heresy gives a to n but Malice is easier.

[prime atlas]

yes

🙂

[cloud maple]

Lol

[wraith wren]

Cliffhanger is frustrating sure but its very doable in specific spots, where as the later penances are just horrible rng

[gray kelp]

i wish i had a premade tbh, heresy is so easy with decent players but it's such a clown fiesta in quick play lol

[potent lotus]

I'mma do the brain burst boss one at some point with premades, just waiting for them to get to the point of doing heresy missions

[ornate hamlet]

Having to blow myself up on 3 elites is a well designed penance (Im not throwing guys Im just drip starved)

[potent lotus]

for now I just use the imperial edition armor

[nocturne stream]

All penances suck

[potent lotus]

I wish it had actual gloves, not fingerless

[prime atlas]

Just spend all that useless cash on different colored clothes 🙂

[young summit]

its a rank 1, that im just rushing though toi get teh xp

also lo, teh ai director really doesnt like you running past everything

all melle mobs suddenly became pure ranged

[ornate hamlet]

The penances on psyker sucking so hard made me grind out Vet's just so I could keep having fun while doing challenges

[vast oasis]

i completed pick n mix just now, even though progress was not showing and i was certain i met the requirements a few times as you said

[potent lotus]

the drip just kinda mid so far

even the premium psyker cosmetic I just dislike

[ornate hamlet]

Of course. I should have blue'd myself much sooner

[gray kelp]

worth upgrading to gold btw? it's my only decent voidstrike

[ornate hamlet]

Fr

[hot ice]

imperial edition drip kinda cool tho

[potent lotus]

that's what I'm using, cause the rest is mid

[prime atlas]

Oh, interesting bug I had the other day, Started a mission solo because servers were being funky. After the first contact with an enemy, a hoard spawned, as people joined... The hoard never stopped...

[lethal plover]

one psyker kept blowing himself up I asked him if he was doing any stupid penance he should stop
he then left

[prime atlas]

And when I say never stopped, i mean, for 20 min straight, it was hoards

[hot ice]

sounds like a fun time

[potent lotus]

the beta helmet on psyker is also just the ugliest piece of equipment lol

[ornate hamlet]

For having a day 1 cash shop Im surprised the drip isnt the most raw thing you could possibly ever see

[hot ice]

the rebreather headpiece in the prem shop looks pretty sick tho

im loving it

[potent lotus]

shoutout to all the level 4s out there without imperial edition still running around in their prison clothes

[gray kelp]

the new world experience of paid cosmetics somehow being uglier than the free stuff

[prime atlas]

Had 2 people leave the mission mid hoard because of that bug... after 20 min, I was the only one left, and the hoards stopped... then got eaten by a dog

[bleak tulip]

would argue its almost never worth going gold, too many mats, no way to fix blessings yet

[dusk pilot]

I just hate how certain helmets make you bald tbh

[hot ice]

love this head piece

[potent lotus]

I would like it if it had a hood

[ornate hamlet]

Reminds me of old More Hordes modifier

[bleak tulip]

bald cap

[dusk pilot]

Just get the tier 2 hood

[prime atlas]

You dont like the space psyker outfit in the premium shop? 😮

[potent lotus]

instead I just use the imperial

[hot ice]

yeah, but rebreather still cool imo

[potent lotus]

it's fuckin ugly

only really like the ogryn and zealot premium ones

[hot ice]

dont make fun of my psyker, the warp does many mysterious things... like giving you a receding hairline...

[ornate hamlet]

Surprised they didnt just give vets DKoK or Cadian regiment outfits day 1 (the tanker outfit doesnt count)

[dusk pilot]

Honestly if I HAD bought the Imperial Edition, I'd be saving my aquilas because a lot of the stuff for psyker isn't great

They even ruined the Imperial guard psyker outfit they were selling, it's supposed to be a robe

[prime atlas]

I'd like it if they added color dye options for ALL the clothes to the game. That way if I wanted to wear the default getup I can at least color it how I want

[dusk pilot]

:(

[potent lotus]

I got the imperial edition with my gpu and that's what I'm doing

[hot ice]

no lvl 1-2 missions with the green eagle symbol on the map rn

[dusk pilot]

Like it's clearly based off of this

[hot ice]

[dusk pilot]

And it's not a robe

:(

[potent lotus]

see that'd be cool

[ornate hamlet]

Look how they massacred our boy

[potent lotus]

I'm still angry at the fuckin imperial edition gloves

[lethal plover]

the color isn't my taste

[potent lotus]

just give me full gloves they look way cooler and nicer in fp

[hot ice]

fingerless gloves make you look so edgy tho...

im liking it ahahaha

[potent lotus]

I'm already wearing full black and have a fuckin skull tied to my belt, how edgier can I get

[bleak tulip]

I guess youll have to stay at tier 1 outfit then, tier two outfit also has fingerless gloves

[dusk pilot]

@potent lotus

But ye, the next rank of hood you can unlock comes with a face cover

[ornate hamlet]

At least the standard Inquisition style psyker outfit looks awesome still

[hot ice]

the fingerless gloves ofc

[ornate hamlet]

Makes me feel like a proper Inquisition goon-squad spark'ead

[potent lotus]

going out with a bang

I also got fuckin

[prime atlas]

have you considered copious amounts of makeup? 🙂

[potent lotus]

297/300 on the warp battery

because the veteran had to shoot that one last enemy I was brain bursting

[dusk pilot]

This is why you do penances with friends

[hot ice]

[prime atlas]

why does that hood look like a christmas item

[hot ice]

because it actually has xmas colours

[gloomy beacon]

is there a tier 3 hood? almost got the tier 2

[dusk pilot]

Yes

That's the last tier

[potent lotus]

I've been trying, it's still a pain in the ass to get because of all the times in maps where we just run forward with no enemies

[gloomy beacon]

how does that one look like?

[dusk pilot]

That one is black and has goggles to go with the last chestpiece

[wraith wren]

Warp Battery was a walk in the park compared to Going out with a bang - either you dont have the peril ready, elites spawn in pairs, dont stick together or die before you get to them

[gloomy beacon]

well... i need to do the heresy penances still

[prime atlas]

When do we get the christmas cosmetics, speaking of which... I want santa ogryn to protect me with his giant bag of gifts

[hot ice]

got my warp battery penance by complete accident heh

[dusk pilot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049274086607568917/IMG_0809.png?width=1920&height=887

[nocturne stream]

Grinch plague ogryn when

[dusk pilot]

Here's what it looks like

[gloomy beacon]

danm thats sick

[hot ice]

goes hard

[potent lotus]

looks sick but fingerless gloves

[prime atlas]

Zealot would totally be the grinch

[dusk pilot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049273114472751125/IMG_0808.png?width=420&height=909

And here's the tier two hood

[potent lotus]

I could lose the green

[gloomy beacon]

now i want the tier 3 stuff

well.. time to be beter and find friends

[prime atlas]

🤔 If only we could color the clothes how we want

[dusk pilot]

Just use the Imperial Edition armour with it

Since that's black as well

[potent lotus]

that also has fingerless gloves

[dusk pilot]

Or get the black version of one of the penance armours

[potent lotus]

💀

[dusk pilot]

In the store

[potent lotus]

just not a fan of fingerless and a lot of the psyker stuff has it

[nocturne stream]

The psyker hood is the 40k fedora

[nocturne stream]

of course you have fingerless gloves

[dusk pilot]

Should go well enough with the tier 3 hood

[potent lotus]

that's the one I'll prolly end up using

unless the next premium cosmetics are good, then I'll spend the imperial edition aquillas on that

[dusk pilot]

problem being, given it's timed, what if the next ones are even better

https://tenor.com/view/slowly-turning-head-turning-head-turning-smiling-creepy-smile-gif-21719156

[valid ledge]

Does anyone else feel that being able to move normal speed while quelling should be basekit?

[potent lotus]

I'll cope because I'm not paying for them

[paper trail]

Not sure if this is worth buying given how irritating it is to even try and get good base rolls on items you want. If it got the peril reduction on hit perk it would be ok maybe

I don't really like it but might regret not buying it, this is the real FOMO lol

[worthy wasp]

Low quell speed aint even bad tbqh

If you dont use a force sword

[cloud maple]

Low quell speed is manageable until you get like 70% on one and you're like "oh this is nice"

[worthy wasp]

If youre comfortable with weapon swapping to quell thats what I'd do

I dont use the quell button ever

[cloud maple]

I do constantly >_>

[paper trail]

Yeah I have a load of these staffs now but they are all really what I would describe as multiple versions of mediocre rolls

[worthy wasp]

The thing is w/ non-force melee weapons... you constantly quell

[autumn token]

Meh, it's not so bad - especially if you're used to being slowed by flamer or stubber bracing.

[idle bay]

what's like the ideal roll on staves?

[worthy wasp]

So spam your staff then when near 100% swap to your melee

[lost pike]

I found a staff with 80 in almost everything but quell is 10. Its a voidstrike with 3% quell on weak hit though so it's alright

[worthy wasp]

Or w/e

[nocturne stream]

If you're lucky and get the last blessing to be "quell on weak point hit" then it's really good

[valid ledge]

I just feel like I get left behind by my party a lot unless I equip the move regular speed while quelling talent... and there are much better choices in that slot but Im stuck with that one

[paper trail]

Yeah this is what I was thinking but to mastercraft it atm is expensive hoping for the peril perk specifically until upgrading is in

[worthy wasp]

Ye, the quell w/ weakspots is amazing

But

Also consider using a non-force melee

[paper trail]

I heard people say about that

[autumn token]

Combat knife op

[worthy wasp]

So you can fast quell on weapon swap

[paper trail]

Is that a bug though or intended?

[worthy wasp]

Intended

[paper trail]

I mean I have an amazing combat knife roll

[ornate hamlet]

Dealbreaker

[analog juniper]

not OP, just good

[paper trail]

well it could be better but its not bad like

[worthy wasp]

I personally recommend Antax MkV Combat Axe, others like the Dueling Sword tho

Legit a god rolled combat knife lmao

[hot ice]

unless you are on difficulty 1-2, your team will eventually stop to take of threats and wont be too far off. If you are being left behind by a large margin thats on you tho

[analog juniper]

idk why you stan that axe so much

lol

[paper trail]

I like my force sword a lot though but the warp stab does feel slow a lot of the time waiting for him to palm in that slap warp damage

[hot ice]

also swap to your staff if you want to manually quell faster

[analog juniper]

sure, but like its for deleting elites

[worthy wasp]

You know what also deletes elites

[analog juniper]

you can have infinite block and bullet deflection otherwise

[paper trail]

you can get interrupted though before he high fives them in the face with the actual damage

[hot ice]

the axe?

[analog juniper]

lmao

[worthy wasp]

Ye

[hot ice]

kek

[analog juniper]

of course

[hot ice]

how could i have guessed

[worthy wasp]

Also tanks daemonhosts

Not even kidding

[ornate hamlet]

Have never actually had it be interrupted once the animation started, barring acts of god like teammates "accidentally" shooting a barrel right next to me repeatedly

[analog juniper]

more like AntaxMkVCombatAxeForTherapy

[hot ice]

got my first antax mk5 earlier today, sadly its blessing is the -10% power on the next target hit in a swing

[ornate hamlet]

Could just be me using that attack relatively conservatively though

[tacit fractal]

What do you guys say is the greatest build for Psyker

[worthy wasp]

There are 2

[rare ingot]

lightning

[hot ice]

surge go brrrrrrrr

[paper trail]

One time I often noticed it being slow was when using a surge staff to stun a mutie charging at me then swapping to sword, charging it then stabbing in its face and then it grabs me before the animation is finished

[rare ingot]

with animation cancel

[tacit fractal]

Those are not builds

[paper trail]

or on bosses with their knockback explosions

[lost pike]

Combat knife is actually really fun to use bit I can't give up the force sword.

[tacit fractal]

Like an actual build

[hot ice]

*build centred around surge going brrrrr

:^)

[tacit fractal]

Which is?

[worthy wasp]

Surge Staff + Antax Mk V and Void Staff + Force Sword. I can place talent selection later, entering a Damnation mission

[bleak tulip]

there isnt really "builds" tbh

[sterile sable]

can someone explain surge animation cancel?

[hot ice]

honestly not deep enough in the minmax rabbithole to reliably tell you

[worthy wasp]

Dont encourage pairing Force Sword with Surge tho

[bleak tulip]

the closest thing would be to take all soulblaze talents but then all you have is the "worst build"

[rare ingot]

to cancel just sprint forward or switch weapons

[tacit fractal]

Tank build is an option

[sterile sable]

a charge or leftclick?

[cyan notch]

full build into warp charges and knife + shredder autopistol

[patent ledge]

when you finish charging and letting it out, quickly switch to your melee weapon. the stun will still have the same duration while also cancelling the lightning animation

[bleak tulip]

is taking one talent out of the norm really a build

[sterile sable]

gameplay

[stray spindle]

Why not

[tacit fractal]

Purgatus, 121232

[stray spindle]

It would be cool if they added more in depth build paths though

[patent ledge]

can't really take a vid nor have seen vids on youtube but you can try it out on the meatgrinder in mourningstar

[bleak tulip]

thats just the normal build with one talent changed

okay and essence harvest for some reason

[tacit fractal]

wdym

[bleak tulip]

321233 is pretty much normal

[sterile sable]

sorry that was a mock reply not asking for gameplay 🙂

[tacit fractal]

I really don't like Quietitude

[bleak tulip]

as far as Ive seen thats what most people use, generally

[covert beacon]

ay, sorry to bother, I want to help my bf with warp battery penance, does anyone have a good build for that?

[hot ice]

im kinda the same

[gloomy beacon]

Just rush and let him BB on small enemies

[hot ice]

tbh

[potent lotus]

get the two talents that give you random chance to brain burst and the one that makes it so your team killing stuff nearby gives you charges

[autumn lark]

autogun psyker

[bleak tulip]

you can say x21x33 is pretty much universally the best choices

[potent lotus]

and the level 30 that makes bb faster after ult, that's all you can really do lol

[tacit fractal]

Just brain burst every enemy for 300 seconds

[potent lotus]

I'd say it's better to look into what map has the least downtime instead of the best build

[tacit fractal]

It's very easy

[rare ingot]

anyone wanna do the cliffhanger thing

[bleak tulip]

you can argue over tier 1 and kinetic shield vs deflection, motion is just for comfort and unecessary if you have a weapon that lets you dodge

but the rest in my mind seems pretty much solved

[sturdy cypress]

whats a GG voidstrike staff look like with perks,blessings and best mods?

[tacit fractal]

You can do that alone, just go to a cliff, it's not 20 anymore

[potent lotus]

my mind is full of whispers and voices but also power so it's hard to solve anything Sibling

[covert beacon]

i mean, he got already like 57 or so /300 but we can't tell if it's bugged and some doesn't count or if he does it somehow wrong

[wide quest]

Pain

[potent lotus]

it's not 300 in total, it's keeping max charges for 300 seconds without losing them

[autumn lark]

Its max charges

[potent lotus]

oh yea, don't do warp battery for that lol

or whatever the feat is called that lets you have 6 charges

[autumn lark]

Its very very easy to get if a teamate kills an enemy you are brainbursting for 50% youll still get the charge

[tacit fractal]

Ask yourself this, was the mission on malice? Did he have max 4 or 6 warp charges? Did he keep that for 300 seconds? If you answered yes to all of this after testing and answering all these on the field in missions then it's bugged

[bleak tulip]

I did that mission without trying with a purg on heresy with 4 stacks and the two auto stack generators

its pretty easy if you just keep going

[covert beacon]

well that's questions for him not me, as I see his progress sometimes it count on malice, sometimes we have to go higher
anyways just wanted to ask

[tacit fractal]

Ask him those questions and you should be good

[ruby sorrel]

its pretty easy if you just keep going... and try to chose mission without any elevators xD

[bleak tulip]

I think I did it on the manufactorum mission so I guess

[covert beacon]

did you fell thru the floor in elevator too?

[bleak tulip]

I think it only has control rooms

[pale geode]

do we have any consensus what are the best blessings for surge staff (difficulty 5's)?

[bleak tulip]

warp flurry and whatever

[ruby sorrel]

happens to me once

[frail spire]

does the talent that gives 10% chance to brain burst to ALL attacks also give brainburst a chance to double brainburst? XD

[covert beacon]

i wish we fell just once

[bleak tulip]

cant say it happened to me on a bb

so maybe its all weapon attacks

[hot ice]

which is one is better?

[frail spire]

would make more sense i just hate the wording for all these tooltips

[cedar blade]

these "cosmetics" are fucking pathetic

[tacit fractal]

Force sword

and dueling sword

[hot ice]

thanks, but all my current FS' suck

[tacit fractal]

Try mk IV dueling sword

[hot ice]

so far my best duelling sword i believe

[ornate hamlet]

But think of how cool it will look when you see a red handle instead of a green handle on your otherwise unchanged book staff

[worthy wasp]

Nice

[hot ice]

@worthy wasp

i need advice from the no1 axe chad

[worthy wasp]

Of those 2, def the 2nd

[hot ice]

also is the horde clear for the antax just the push attack?

[bleak tulip]

you spam one attack over and over?

[worthy wasp]

Ye

The push attack

[bleak tulip]

its honestly kinda boring but I cant say it doesnt work

[long osprey]

Is it me or the flame staff is kinda nerfed compared with the others?

[bleak tulip]

also you fuck your stam with that really badly but you shouldnt be blocking anyway unless youre running kin deflect

[worthy wasp]

Kinda depends on staff too, but ye if youre using it primarily to alleviate pressure and get shit out of your face then maximizing the chad push attack is gonna be the play

[long osprey]

Also the AoE staff doesn’t hit the mobs for full damage on periphery

[worthy wasp]

And limb splitter is the best trait for push attack

[long osprey]

Which make it worst than void strike

[ornate hamlet]

Wdym

With the right feats Ive gotten a lot more mileage out of it than most other staves, including my voidstrike in certain situations

[placid light]

Same as Vermintide - it really depends on the context and situation.

[worthy wasp]

Also, first target is a great damage multiplier and the 2nd one has signif more.

[hot ice]

only transcendent item i have is an inf. autogun

[placid light]

For some situations the Flame staff will be amazing

[long osprey]

So far void strike just cut the heads of mobs

I’ll get a better flame staff and test again

[placid light]

The electricity staff does less damage than flame but staggers more

Both lack in long range utility

[bleak tulip]

its also really boring

[autumn token]

Unless carapace armoured target. Then surge murders.

[placid light]

Does it?

[bleak tulip]

not really

[placid light]

I thought it only does great stagger effect for the rest of the team to down them

[long osprey]

If the lightning had a longer cone instead of wide short range it could be really nice

Since flame is already short range

[ornate hamlet]

Surge only chaining 6 enemies stops me from using it considering how many times I will get surrounded by poxers when playing with randoms

[placid light]

You have Void for long and devastating

[hot ice]

it already is really nice

[bleak tulip]

wouldnt call it "murdered", crushers are the only target with full cara and they dont get "murdered" by much of anything

[potent lotus]

surge has pretty decent range but it's inconsistent, it can kill stuff pretty quickly if you anim cancel

[hot ice]

its there for cc

[bleak tulip]

maybe bolters

[ornate hamlet]

Stopping only 6 is not good enough when I could just destroy entire swaths with voidstrike

[full coral]

what curios are you guys running?

[potent lotus]

toughness

[bleak tulip]

mishmash bullshit

[hot ice]

ones that give me 50% sniper res in total

heh

[potent lotus]

the only good ones I have are toughness, so toughness

[bleak tulip]

got two orange trinkets and they have a bit of everything

[full coral]

lmaoo makes sense

[bleak tulip]

res speed, heath, toughness, t regen, some random resitances that dont matter

I would prob go for more toughness overall

[potent lotus]

I'd rather have gunner res than sniper res

[placid light]

Vermin 2 had a great mode late in its life called Chaos Wastes where you upgrade weapons often through randomization. IE get a better weapon but you get a random one. Made me appreciate a lot of weapons I never even wanted to fuck with in the first place.

[bleak tulip]

corruption resist is neato too

[placid light]

What does toughness give you btw?

Also what does finesse give you?

[autumn token]

... more toughness? Your armour bar?

[potent lotus]

it's the small pew pews that fuck up my health, snipers tend to be in spots where I can start a bb and get to cover

[full coral]

dont really have problems with gunner tbh with my surge staff :p

[long osprey]

Yeah I’d like corruption resist and gunner resist

[full coral]

and deflector on my force sword heh

[bleak tulip]

gunner resist doesnt help against non specials just fyi

[worthy wasp]

For the blessing, I'm still unsure what the best is. I feel like Toughness is the way to go tho but idk. I can see arguments for both it and health

[potent lotus]

corruption resist is useless because I'm not bothering with grims

[hot ice]

snipers always manage to get the jump on me for some reason, so i always like the sniper dmg res

[potent lotus]

well then nvm my life is a lie

[hot ice]

eventually when we get full crafting im running gunner and sniper res

[autumn token]

Also applies to poxburster/poxwalker/boss corruption

[long osprey]

Ah shit

[potent lotus]

yea ik, but I'd rather have other stuff instead

corruption outside of grims never really fucks me up too much

and grims just aren't worth it

[bleak tulip]

im not even sure if it works against shotgunner specials actually since theyre technically their own "class"

but I dont think ive seen it specifically mentioned so maybe

[potent lotus]

what the fuck does this mean

[bleak tulip]

F

its shit

[potent lotus]

I assumed your ult but this exists

[bleak tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its the same afaik

[wooden quest]

force sword or rapier

[bleak tulip]

wouldnt be the first inconsistent strings

[frail spire]

does the kinetic flayer cooldown only apply to the specific mob, or does it apply to every mob? like can it proc on two separate mobs in the same attack?

[hot ice]

rapier duelling sword for style points

[bleak tulip]

there used to be health and "max health" on trinkets remember?

[potent lotus]

honestly out of the ones I can see the most useful ones seem to be toughness damage reduction and toughness but dunno

[wooden quest]

its my saltzpyre reborn headcannon

[frail spire]

fair

[potent lotus]

I assume block effciency makes it so blocking takes less stamina

[wooden quest]

I like the force sword fine but the rapier is just better at not getting hit, it fences very well

[hot ice]

does block efficiency affect kinetic deflection?

[bleak tulip]

yeah, also not great because blocking is pretty bad on psyker unless you have peril block

[near wyvern]

It's a global cd. Can't proc more often than once every 15 seconds no matter what you do.

[bleak tulip]

and then you dont need stam so does it even affect it?

[potent lotus]

if I could reroll I'd prolly just spam toughness and toughness damage reduction

[static epoch]

which mk you prefer

[bleak tulip]

hey maybe blocking efficiency helps with peril block, that'd be worth testing I guess

[potent lotus]

seems to be the most all around good defense

[gloomy beacon]

How important is blast radius for voidstrike

[static epoch]

none at all

[bleak tulip]

not sure if it impacts the projectile size at all, if it doesnt it doesnt matter

[sonic basin]

Not too much IMO. Most damage is from the void ball itself hitting people

[near wyvern]

I just solo tanked demonhost on malice with duelling sword and kinetic deflector

[potent lotus]

does toughness regen speed affect the toughness from quelling or does it just make the cohesion regen better?

[static epoch]

try it and see, the difference between 40% to 80% is like... barely noticable when you hit the ground next to a target

[bleak tulip]

AOE is a neat bonus for void but pointless because yuore shooting at head level through hordes

[sonic basin]

Why is dueling sword so good? Never had much success with it

[wooden quest]

I didnt realize deflector could proc on dueling swords

[worthy wasp]

I'm thinking a mix of toughness + health w/ a bunch of CDR and toughness damage reduction

[wooden quest]

huge dodge distance, fast attacks

[bleak tulip]

passive venting, far dodges

dont like the moveset personally, prefer force sword for hitting shit

[wooden quest]

the force sword plays with the psyker's kit better but the rapier is just a better weapon imo

I do like both

[worthy wasp]

I'd argue both work well with psyker kit

[sonic basin]

Passing venting?

[long osprey]

I use the chain sword because I like the cleave animation

[bleak tulip]

peril goes down faster with it out than with FS

[wooden quest]

I also mained saltz so the dueling sword is familiar to me

[worthy wasp]

Ye the passive venting is awesome with melees thay arent the force sword

[bleak tulip]

or staff for that matter

[worthy wasp]

Lets you play hyperagressively

[long osprey]

Can the dueling sword cleave?

[sonic basin]

Wait really?

[ornate hamlet]

any of yall wearing the psyker cosmetic?

[bleak tulip]

not really

[frail shuttle]

I like the dueling sword as it gives me passive vent, it's faster mobility like the knife and okay but fast swings

[fluid knot]

Good fight random spark'ead if you're here ❤️

[wooden quest]

the most important thing in *tide games is not getting hit, no matter what. I ahvent done 5 yet but I assume its like cata where even a basic guy will smack you for 20% hp if you get hit, and the dueling sword is a better defensive weapon you can really work a crowd with the dodges and light attacks

[near wyvern]

It cleaves well, has very fast attacks so you can just switch into it and interrupt trash attacks and the dodge slides allow you to skate around the map. It has increased head shot damages and swings that are easy to find heads with.

Also while you are swinging your light spam, the weapon will lunge you slightly to the direction you are pressing on your wasd. You can get more distance out if you crouch at the correct times but that's a more defensive maneuver since it is harder to hit heads when crouched.

[bleak tulip]

like you can hit like 2 things at the same time with duel but its not great

musta used the wrong one then lmao

[wooden quest]

the rapier is a blender though it has a very fast attack speed

[bleak tulip]

fuckin 4 different types

[hot ice]

the mk2 i believe has the cleave on 2nd heavy

[frail shuttle]

Honestly from what I've seen, it's probably better to have a force sword and shield then just do two ranged guys behind that, no chance for any hits to get in and protection from ranged

[wooden quest]

shield?

[frail shuttle]

Big ogryn shield

[worthy wasp]

Not a fan of weaps that favor speed over power personally, but thats personally bias.

[long osprey]

Nice gonna test it tonight then, I was playing preacher first and now I play this psyker it’s another mindset so it’s pretty cool

[runic gate]

Wrong Chan

[wooden quest]

well yeah, if you switch to melee that means something isnt ideal because you bring the most value on the staff

[frail shuttle]

Basically saying rapier doesn't fit teamwork

[bleak tulip]

I wouldnt call this "cleave"

[wooden quest]

but sometimes positions get broken up and you gotta enter a brawl

[runic gate]

Mk V axe is goat for heresy and damnation

[bleak tulip]

one vanguard on heavy 2

[wooden quest]

the rapier does cleave though together with the fast animations and attack speed it can definitely thin a crowd well, not as well as some weapons but it has the other advantages

[white ocean]

Is there any meta when it comes to staffs?

[wooden quest]

tbh if you want cleave use your force staff

[nocturne stream]

isn't mk5 the best duel sword?

[frail shuttle]

If you want to win, surge

[bleak tulip]

its got everything and the interrupt is goat

[hot ice]

surge staff for big cc on high-threat targets

[wooden quest]

Voidstrike/Trauma are the main ones for damage, lightning and fire do better for CC

[bleak tulip]

you dont full push, you just use the interrupt

[wooden quest]

I like voidstrike because its a fuckin rocket l auncher basically

[hot ice]

trauma kinda bad

[static epoch]

mk4 strikedown @ 78% 164 - mk5 strikedown @ 80% 206

[frail shuttle]

Absolutely not for trauma

[wooden quest]

I was wondeirng about that. any other tips for force sword use?

[nocturne stream]

trauma deal no dmg avoid like plague until it's buffed or fixed

[hot ice]

useable but better options

[wooden quest]

I just kept getting hit

[runic gate]

Void > lightning > fire > flaccid pp > trauma

[bright cipher]

what are the main differences between the 3 dueling swords?

[wooden quest]

I personally dont like trauma either because ground targeting can eat my balls but it has a faster charge time than void

Voidstrike all the way though

[bleak tulip]

light combo, aim for head on 3, its a stab, interrupt and dodge, repeat, not super hard to play

[runic gate]

Ned algebra to attack high ground targets

[bleak tulip]

you can technically light heavy alternate but its not really much better cleave

[scarlet lily]

I will not be tempted from the force sword

[hot ice]

light > heavy > block cancel > repeat, for force sword trash clear

[wooden quest]

right lol. point the camera at the fucking sky to hit someone far away

[trail forge]

I'm seeing a lot of stuff on reddit about psyker being the worst class

[candid hawk]

No block cancel animation?

[wooden quest]

link?

[bleak tulip]

link to this channel

[wooden quest]

lol

[hot ice]

[wooden quest]

psyker owns

[scarlet lily]

coolest class

[wooden quest]

just the fact that they dont use ammo or grenades is significant

space wizard man

[hot ice]

no cap

[trail forge]

Tbh it's more just general comments on reddit

[frail shuttle]

Well it's reddit so it's wrong. Lmao.

[shy turret]

So any tips for going out with a bang?

[nocturne stream]

It has problems because brain burst feels shit to use, is integral to the class and doesn't scale

[hot ice]

wdym

[trail forge]

Pray that the stars align

[candid hawk]

damage everythign before you blow yourself up

[frail shuttle]

Don't let the Feds know

[wooden quest]

yeah I wish they worked out the flow better, but its not THAT bad

[candid hawk]

tapping block to restart the attack animation sequence

[wooden quest]

it does feel awkward that we are the only class with 3 weapons

[scarlet lily]

It can feel good to use, but not to stack warp charges

[wooden quest]

two of which cant block

[scarlet lily]

warp charges are the whack thing

[wooden quest]

so its a lot of juggling and if you pick the wrong thing (brain pop when you shouldl have had staff or melee out) then you get punished hard

[hot ice]

yeah thats block cancelling

[trail forge]

Warp charge building and retention simply isn't fun

[nocturne stream]

personally hate it. It's just point and click and the staves are so much more fun to use

[scarlet lily]

brain blast pretty alright, but innate bb/warp charge build up should be cooler

[wooden quest]

yeah

warp charges need a complete redo

[hot ice]

always go to different places to buy fertiliser, and only use cash

[static epoch]

sharpshooter = just aim better. zealot = arguing effectiveness of crits. ogryn = how to best protect young'uns. psyker = surge vs every other staff. this discord in a nutshell atm 😄

[scarlet lily]

I typically use it to take out high threat specials

[hot ice]

[scarlet lily]

It's very fun to dive out and into cover and grab the special

[wooden quest]

well right and you still benefit hugely by having 1 in the group, because thats +25% ammo for everyone else and they are the hard counters for certain enemies

[scarlet lily]

snipers

brain blast

[wooden quest]

psykers do not double up well though

[hot ice]

people might rag on the psyker, but they will always have an easier time with a decent surge staff psyker

[nocturne stream]

yeah but in heresy/damn it takes way too many to take a mutant and dog etc. If you go in the trainning you see almost every weapon scale against those but bb is always 900

[wooden quest]

you really only want 1

[trail forge]

For 15% damage boost to keep it going constantly is annoying especially because if you happen to miss a BB or get the kill stolen you lose ALL the warp charges and have to start again

It just isn't fun and actively promotes toxic feelings towards your team mates for stealing your kills in a vermin tide style game where everyone is killing everything all the time.

[scarlet lily]

2 for a dog, not so bad

[wooden quest]

it does need to scale with rating I agree

[candid hawk]

Thats what i said. someone was saying alternate heavy and lights i was just questioning if you can use a block cancel on it

[scarlet lily]

mutant is cursed, but mutants are genuinely low threat as long as you're near a wall

[candid hawk]

always dodge left

[wooden quest]

the brain pop puts you at risk to use and frankly the charge time should be way less

[trail forge]

I swear every mutant in my game is always gunning for me specifically

[scarlet lily]

even if you don't dodge, tackled into walls. they just throw you

[static epoch]

dodge to the side the arm is on

[trail forge]

I've gotten very good at dodging but I will watch that fucker run past everyone else to come get me

[hot ice]

mutant gets owned by a burst of my lightning

[scarlet lily]

yeah

[hot ice]

funny shit

[wooden quest]

lightning staff does have nasty cc

[scarlet lily]

15% combat ability cd on elite kill, probably best coherency

Perma vet ability on heresy+ basically

[static epoch]

yes

I was going to say

[wooden quest]

Ive been using warp charge generation

but Im not impressed with it

for that tier

[scarlet lily]

buff the %s or remove the cds and the feats would be cool

[wooden quest]

the class definitely needs another pass

frankly the whole game does but its still pretty good

[scarlet lily]

cds on passives

[bright cipher]

dude i swear

they focus psykers

[hushed hinge]

For heresy and damnation, if you're the only psyker, what staff best helps the team?

[bright cipher]

every fucking mutant will weave through my team

[frail shuttle]

Imagine the 10% chance for BB on hit with no cool down and a purge staff...

[bright cipher]

and go straight for me

[scarlet lily]

Surge can really never go wrong

[bright cipher]

at this point any time i hear a mutant i just get ready to dodge like a bull fighter

[wooden quest]

if you need CC lightning/fire, if you got a lot of that already in your group go void

i ike void most

its the most versatile

but it doesnt have the utility and stagger factor lightning does

[scarlet lily]

Finding a good force sword for horde clear + deflection leaves me surge for when my teammates get surrounded by big guys in metal

[wooden quest]

but it also has unlimited range so

[scarlet lily]

But purge is the coolest

[hot ice]

surge staff on premade is godly. because your team can take full advantage of it and use weapons that will synergise with it really well

[wooden quest]

surge is also the laziest staff

[scarlet lily]

ttk really doesn't change in 4/5, its still ridiculously fast once everyone can hit stuff

[wooden quest]

you dont have to aim really

[hot ice]

not thats its hard not to synergise with a surge staff lol

[wooden quest]

the voidstaff you can whiff it, its basically the rocket launcher from the old Quake games

[cyan notch]

the other options arent great in that column lol

[wooden quest]

good direct damage but low splash

[bleak tulip]

more like a railgun

[hot ice]

surge isnt there to kill tho id say

[scarlet lily]

4%

[wooden quest]

its defiintely not like the rail gun, the projectile moves at pretty much the same speed as a quake 3 rocket

railguns are hitscan weapons

[bleak tulip]

im more talking about the penetration

[wooden quest]

ah

yeah

[midnight forum]

Btw what's quietude? I keep seeing it here

[wooden quest]

that part owns

[bleak tulip]

RL implies it explodes on impact which void super doesnt

[hot ice]

bottom row for lvl5 talent

[bleak tulip]

function wise I see it more as a rail

[wooden quest]

tbh in real life a rocket wont explode on impact with a person either

[bleak tulip]

or purpose wise

[bleak tulip]

I mean it depends how you set the fuse

if you mean for the rocket to explode in contact with a person you could make it so :p

[wooden quest]

I mean I see what youre saying but it fires a slow moving explosive projectile in a straight line I dont know how you can say anyhting but rocket launcher for that

[midnight forum]

I'm blind then, thanks xD

[scarlet lily]

Maybe vets just don't like using it in randoms

[wooden quest]

Surge seems useful but like what do you do for ranged, sit there and wait for someone else to shoot em?

[bleak tulip]

idk its faster than RL and it doesnt explode on contact, AOE damage is dogwater in DT
thats why I dont really see it as such myself

[scarlet lily]

Cause it sure doesn't feel like its perma-up

[wooden quest]

the aoe damage is pretty small, its misleading too

[scarlet lily]

Approach with deflector

[wooden quest]

sure

[hot ice]

pretty much

[scarlet lily]

If you take quick BB level 30 feat, you can bb groups of scabs

[bleak tulip]

angle around, flank and slide

[scarlet lily]

That the vet has been ignoring

[teal cargo]

its got pretty good range

[bright cipher]

my issue with the dueling sword is that the perks you can roll on it dont fit the psyker theme at all

[scarlet lily]

[wooden quest]

voidstrike is still very much an AOE weapon though if you shoot it at a big group one ball will kill 80% of em

[bright cipher]

yeah theyre all just some form of flat dps boost

no flavor

[hot ice]

if your vet teammate is good they will be doing their role

[wooden quest]

no doubt that the force sword is better for the class fantasy

[bright cipher]

force sword has cool psyker themed perks

thats why its cool

and cool factor is very important

[wooden quest]

def

but rapiers remind me of witch hunters from fantasy, which are also badass and fit the psyker-inquisitor theme

[bright cipher]

like wow bro so incredibly inspired

[wooden quest]

and it reminds of Saltzpyre, who is THE goat

yeah I agree its more fun to use at the end of the day

[bright cipher]

psyker ult is just a play on saltz' ult anyways

[wooden quest]

yeah

if Saltzpyre was in 40k he would definitely be a psyker

[bright cipher]

and the savant voice is saltz if he chilled out and got hit in the head

[wooden quest]

full inquisitor probably

[nocturne stream]

lul if he was in 40k he would be an inquisitor

[hot ice]

as much as I like Saltzpyre, Kruber is my fav :)

[wooden quest]

inquisitors are psykers generally right

[hot ice]

ultimate hype man

[dusk pilot]

no

[wooden quest]

Eisenhorn was

[sinful sundial]

Either of these decent?

[hot ice]

also merc is just

[dusk pilot]

Eisenhorn isn't the be all end all of the Inquisition, he's just one popular inquisitor

[hot ice]

one of them is the trauma staff, dont bother

[bright cipher]

very much no

[wooden quest]

oh

[bright cipher]

psykers are abhuman by definition

[near wyvern]

You could theoretically do a BB AOE burst build by taking ascendent blaze (soulburn on ult), warp battery and then get to 6 stacks which would benefit from the CD reduction

The problem is it takes like 15 seconds to get the stacks up, you will easily drop the stacks between encounters and the whole strategy falls apart at heresy and damnation where 6 soulblaze stacks are not enough to kill ranged

[wooden quest]

use voidstsrike

[bright cipher]

inquisition is very very anti abhuman

psykers have a direct connection to the warp

[sinful sundial]

thanks!

[wooden quest]

yeah a psyker would make a terrifying swordsman

[bright cipher]

unsanctioned warp tinkering is punishable my death

[dusk pilot]

In fact, Psykers rarely get to the point where they get given that much influence, it takes significant training to even become part of the Imperial Guard.

[bright cipher]

yeah

[wide heron]

Am I correct in feeling Trauma staff is just a meme staff? They all feel so much better and more useful than Trauma but I just wanted to make sure I wasnt crazy

[wooden quest]

well we're technically psykers in an Inquisitor's retinue

[bright cipher]

either youre a sanction psyker and serve the imperium as a 2nd class citizen on youre thrown on a black ship to terra to be thrown into big Es feeding machine

[dusk pilot]

The rare few become Primaris Psykers.

[hot ice]

its definitely the weakest staff by a long shot rn

[wooden quest]

its the least fun to use

[bright cipher]

the player character is basically one in a million

[dusk pilot]

And sometimes a Primaris Psyker becomes an Inquisitor

Our psyker just got lucky

And was in the right place at the right time

[bleak tulip]

tfw nothing in the psyker traits scales or interacts with crit

[bright cipher]

an unsanctioned psyker whos broken the law

[wooden quest]

Luck? or the Emperor's will

[bright cipher]

well he does talk to you directly

perhaps?

or it could be a daemon

who knows

psykers dont thats for sure

[dusk pilot]

Depends on the psyker, my psyker isn't nuts

But she's also french so

🤷‍♀️

[bleak tulip]

thats mostly because there is so many humans in 40k, unsanctioned psykers being drafted by inquisitors isnt totally unheard of

[bright cipher]

its very unheard of irc

[dusk pilot]

I mean, yeah the odd radical inquisitor might

[bright cipher]

most psykers in inquistion employ are sanctioned

[bleak tulip]

really radical inquisitors sometimes literally have bound demons

[dusk pilot]

But radical inquisitors do a lot of things that shouldn't be done

[bleak tulip]

if needs must

[bright cipher]

the fact that the head inquisitor on the ship were on doesnt sentence us to execution on the spot makes him a very very liberal inquisitor in general

[bleak tulip]

yeah but radical inquisitors arent exactly rare in the lore

[dusk pilot]

I mean it goes without saying that the Inquisitor we work for is clearly radical

[bleak tulip]

is my point

[nocturne stream]

yeah there's some liberties

[clear heath]

My loner psyker should be executed for heresy about a thousand times by now.
Talks a lot of shit about the imperium

[nocturne stream]

as if they would let a hobo psyker run free

and an imperial guard just gets power weaponry

[wide heron]

yeah the german mad scientist one literally shit talks the emperor lol

[dusk pilot]

I mean you can talk shit about the Imperium, but I've heard certain psykers call the Emperor "the Corpse Emperor"

[bleak tulip]

like, imquisitors technically get to do whatever the fuck they want until the conclave deems it too far

[dusk pilot]

and I'm like 😬 That's heresy

[bright cipher]

tfw u climb up the inquistion ranks just to be made a redundant supervisor with no real power on a rogue trader ship commanded by a rich brat from an old family

[worthy wasp]

Yo a bunch of groups go full tard when objs appear.

group sticks together throughout mission

obj appears saying *destroy x" or "do y" and everyone splits up and forgets how to play the fkn game

[unkempt wadi]

grendyl probably doesn’t know of half the shit that’s being brought into the mourningstar

[wide heron]

I'll just be over here with my beloved

[bleak tulip]

who are you to doubt the inquisition, heretic

(they will literally just "no u" you)

[dusk pilot]

An inquisitor doesn't get their own ship and not know the business of everyone on it.

[worthy wasp]

Would rather have bots then many of these mouthbreathers in pugs

Atleast bots stick together

[bright cipher]

ayo grendyl where do u want me to put these talking books marked by nurgle?

[analog juniper]

Strike group gets to boss

The two sharpshooters start shooting the shield from 5 km away and the noob psyker is just trying to headpop

[wide heron]

what you dont like John Veteran running in immediately shooting a daemonhost dying and spaming "YO RESCUE ME" "WTF GET OVER HERE"

[dusk pilot]

Like I said Grendyl is clearly a more radical inquisitor, but hey, he pays the wages, so I don't mind

Long as I get me dockets

[bleak tulip]

wonder when the actual story is gonna start

[worthy wasp]

Nah dude by far the dumbest players are zealots

[bright cipher]

i prefer his cousin

[unkempt wadi]

it’s directly stated that grendyl is nowhere to be found which leads me to believe he’s probably too busy doing something else to keep up with everything on the ship

[worthy wasp]

Not all zealots are dumbasses, but like 90% of dumbasses are zealots

[bright cipher]

isnt the ship under Marrows command and Grendyl is just taking over until the traitor situation is solved?

[unkempt wadi]

i wouldn’t be surprised if he’s in this second city that constantly gets mentioned

[dusk pilot]

Or he's currently on the planet dealing with something massive, as per usual for an inquisitor.

[worthy wasp]

The other 10% think they are playing cod as vet

[mellow crescent]

they're just playing in character

[bleak tulip]

its just really easy to scream "I GO INNNNNN" and press F, and too fun

I have learned this

[worthy wasp]

The thing is

[analog juniper]

the taint of the dumbass god corrupts all classes

[worthy wasp]

This game becomes exponentially easier when ppl stick together, and I rarely see psykers or ogryns split from group

[unkempt wadi]

isn’t it rannick running the ship in grendyls absence

[dusk pilot]

That's because without certain builds we crumple like paper

[worthy wasp]

I see psykers blow themselves up, but they are close to team hiding behind someone tbqh

[bleak tulip]

hes basically his second in command because inquisitors are very busy

[worthy wasp]

So ez revive

Zealots tend to bring out ppl's inner dumbass tho

[wide heron]

honestly ive reached a point ive accepted this fact and instead of trying to herd cats I just glue myself to a ogryn/zealot when I can and dont leave their side for better or worse. My life has been a lot easier since ive started doing this

[bleak tulip]

grendyl is basically doing shit on a system level (remember the "second city?) while we're just dealing with one planet

[unkempt wadi]

yeah I was thinking that

[formal osprey]

Does hell exist in the 40k lore? I didnt think it was a thing.

[bleak tulip]

like there is a full blown hive of chaos in the system, no wonder we havent fuckin seen the guy

hes busy as fuck

[tacit fractal]

Grendyl commands everything (he's an Inquisitor so obviously ofc he'll have this sort of power and rank), Rannick is in command of the Mourningstar, Morrow commands the highly skilled and commanders, Zola commands the grunts

[unkempt wadi]

pretty sure a zealot voice line mentioned being there during the execution of a heretic and they knew of the second city

[worthy wasp]

I told a dude the other day, "group up" in chat and this grown ass man says in voice comms, "Dude chill, I'm a fucking zealot. I got NINETY SEVEN PERCENT damage resist!" then legit 5 seconds later got jumped on by a hound

[unkempt wadi]

so the heretics r probably in the second city already

[worthy wasp]

Exactly

[tacit fractal]

The Warp is the more fucked up version of christian Hell, like dial it up with irony and the extremism to 11 when the cap should've been on 10
Where do you think daemons come from to possess a host?

[bleak tulip]

realistically we wouldnt even see morrow in person basically ever as a result of this, but for better character building we gotta see him so we know who the fuck that voice on the radio is

[analog juniper]

To be fair, Hounds are now pure BS, since you can no longer push them, and only melee/shoot them. When close they also have some enormous sphere of stagger and dmg plus their erratic movement

[tacit fractal]

Yeh, which is cool

[mellow crescent]

The Zealot has a voiceline where he says he'll 'send them all to hell'.

Is the Zealot christian?

[formal osprey]

The immaterium, ive just never heard it refered to as hell in any of the warhammer books

[tacit fractal]

Lots of characters call it hell

[gray island]

Worth picking up as an upgrade?

[analog juniper]

block push?

reliably?

[bleak tulip]

yes

reliably

[worthy wasp]

Yep

[wide heron]

honestly the biggest reasons I have a issue dropping surge staff for void, locking down muties, hounds, and trappers so they cant play the game is hard to pass up.

[tacit fractal]

hell is a word that is an old term for horrid things which the Warp is exactly all about so they're not a christian

[formal osprey]

In darktide they do, but im looking at the 40k wiki page on the warp and it doesnt say the word hell once.

[analog juniper]

since they changed the hounds I havent gotten a single block push on them

[tacit fractal]

You're reading a wiki

[worthy wasp]

The one on the left is really good

[tacit fractal]

Not characters dialogue

[bleak tulip]

if you pay attention to the subtitles they say hel, just how they say kark

[echo parrot]

Stats are a +23 but the blessing is meh. Suppression doesnt really mean much when they are already stun locked by you constantly.

[bleak tulip]

its mostly for understanding

[gray island]

idk how i feel about the charge speed

[mellow crescent]

they're PAGANS!?

[formal osprey]

Ive also read three dozen warhammer novels and they dont call it hell...

[echo parrot]

Personally I wouldnt go for it

[bleak tulip]

might as well be, depends on your perspective

[worthy wasp]

Pick it up and hold onto the other in case its relevant for crafting later on

[gray island]

what are some good blessings to look for I haven't really seen a amazing blessing yet

[tacit fractal]

Names?

[worthy wasp]

Charge speed is irrelevant on surge staff

[bleak tulip]

well the game's written by one of the most established black library writers so I feel like if he's okay with it its fine lol

[echo parrot]

Actually yeah do go for it, much higher damage. Can always get a better one. The lack of crit blessing gets negated by the over double damage scaler.

[worthy wasp]

And you will likely be able to change the blessing later

The left one is almost perfect

[tacit fractal]

Sibling I literally just want to know novel names so I can read them personally

[echo parrot]

You can always swap it out for a better one later, or wait for blessing swaps

[ornate hamlet]

This is the same series that brought Catholicism into the future calling it "Cathericism" is it that surprising to hear the Warp called "Hel"

[worthy wasp]

Ye you lucked into an amazing staff

[tacit fractal]

wdym?

[gray island]

doesn't max charge boost stun time? i've been max charging all my casts

[formal osprey]

Eisenhorn series, the uriel ventris series, soul hunter void stalker and blood reaver

[tacit fractal]

Ty

[mellow crescent]

The chad answer to this is "I made them all up. "

[formal osprey]

and a good chunk of the horus heresy

[bleak tulip]

like, characters are talking about if the god emperor is a god, and talking about the indomitus crusade because thats just about big enough that everyone knows about it

our player characters probably know less about the universe than we do, intentionally so. Calling it Hel might just be a colloquialism

[tacit fractal]

I was expecting this and I would not have had a problem with it

[worthy wasp]

IMO the only 3 stats that truly matter on a surge staff are Warp Resist, Crit, and Damage.

Charge rate can be totally ignored because you should rarely actually charge the staff, and quell speed can be ignored due to animation canceling

@gray island nah, same stun either way

[left mirage]

void with the vent peril on crit is addictive

i just alt fire into a crowd and get refunded

[worthy wasp]

And that staff you got is near perfect in the 3 stats that matter

[left mirage]

but surge is so much better in every other situation

[formal osprey]

There is a whole thing about that tho with the emperor, he was very VERY against organized religion. Its part of what makes the whole thing that much funnier is how they make a religion around him after the heresy

[echo parrot]

I miss the charge speed of my voidstaff, was uber fast, but ever since I got a decent surge I havent been able to go back.

[tacit fractal]

I'm literally autistic and other mental problems, I just wanted to know novels they read why is that hard to believe

[echo parrot]

I am the senate

[left mirage]

UNLIMITED POWAH

[long osprey]

Why do the damage in surge staff AoE is nerfed on the periphery?

[bleak tulip]

yeah im aware, I mostly meant that the characters we play are just dumbasses who have to look through the propaganda even harder than we do because we have a birds eye view

[formal osprey]

Well if you are being forthright I would start with the eisenhorn series. Its delightful

[long osprey]

Like I see the mobs in the circle but they don’t take that much damage

[tacit fractal]

[echo parrot]

I also find it funny when somebody aggros the Daemonhost and me, a psyker, with a knife, tanks it like an ogryn.

[left mirage]

is it? i just do the quickswap so idk if it works

[gray island]

Well Here they are now

[formal osprey]

Guys, lets all have a moment of silence for what horus did when he knocked down the towers.

9/11

[long osprey]

I tested on the meat grinder yesterday and the ones on the edge didn’t get hit for much

[left mirage]

ah, damn

[rare ingot]

how do you get the gas mask?

with the black hood?

[worthy wasp]

Jesus

[worthy wasp]

That is one fuck of a staff lmao

[left mirage]

unfortunately my randos need it

[ornate hamlet]

Penances, it will show up after you get the 2nd hood penance (which in turn shows up after completing first hood penance)

[gray island]

the Perks are busted. def will want to swap the barrage if im able to later but honestly the perfect horde clear

[left mirage]

and sometimes shit just hits the fan when 3 disablers roll up

[echo parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1049080358102126632/image.png

What do you think of my knife?

:V

[left mirage]

surge locks that down easily

[bleak tulip]

shame its a knife

[formal osprey]

Thats a lovely knife

[bleak tulip]

[magic gull]

surge is basically letting your 3 teammate enjoy m1 nonstop

[left mirage]

is dagger usable on psyker? london knife bin hobo zeal is fun but idk how psyker benefits

[echo parrot]

I would take this knife over deflector fs any day. They cant hit what they cant keep a bead on.

[formal osprey]

Thats not a knife, this is a knife

[left mirage]

mm, fair enough

[bleak tulip]

does knife even get unlimited dodges?

[left mirage]

id rather take fs for the armor pen alt fire

[echo parrot]

Uh

[left mirage]

interesting knife

[echo parrot]

Its the best statted melee I got, and +12 dodge distance feels pretty busted

[tacit fractal]

or fs

[left mirage]

duelling sword is easily the most stylish melee in the game

if it had a gunshot altfire like vt2 rapier i would never take it off

[echo parrot]

Agreed, I love the mk 5 ds.

I just dont have a well statted one

[gray island]

My shop is kinda on fire right now wtf

[echo parrot]

Rise rise rise

[bleak tulip]

shame about first target

but solid

[gray island]

Needs the block blessing too...

[bright cipher]

You can still roll it

[bleak tulip]

slaughterer is better anyway

shame its tier 1 but hey

[edgy heart]

I was really disappointed when it didn't have it

[bleak tulip]

37.5% damage while horde clearing is pretty unebeatable

[left mirage]

well it is just a single sword

[bleak tulip]

other than a better slaughterer

[left mirage]

but yeah, sadge

[echo parrot]

Cant take the swagger away from the actual guns lol

[gray island]

just burnt my mats on my surge staff

[edgy heart]

I'm never taking it off, rapier is still my fav weapon in vt2

[echo parrot]

My shop has been mid for a good while now, although I did get that knife from it as a blue.

[bleak tulip]

oh no saltz mains in my sienna channel

[edgy heart]

Well the dueling sword is the rapier so

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-eyebrow-raise-vermintide-gif-24052002

[left mirage]

i mained all the characters in vt2

its just that saltzpyre has 35 + 161 and the others have around +40

so im just a little biased

[wide heron]

fence sitter! PICK A LANE (/s)

[bleak tulip]

saltz main

[left mirage]

not my fault they gave the duelling sword to psyker over zeal

[echo parrot]

Hot take: I didnt play VT that much because I was not a fan of the fantasy asthetic.

[edgy heart]

^

[left mirage]

funny metal stick go swoosh and i do

[left mirage]

that's fine tbh, game's still got me good apart from the aesthetic but i get what you mean

[bleak tulip]

it goes swoosh and so do you?

[left mirage]

yes

[echo parrot]

Meanwhile i have around 105 hours in darktide already

[bleak tulip]

I had 80 hours in the pre beta alone, 112 now because work

[left mirage]

i think i only slept like 6 hours a day during the first closed beta

[formal osprey]

Heresy?

[left mirage]

the rest of the time was psyker

[bleak tulip]

stealth burn

I read that inverse and thought you equated sleep with psyker

[left mirage]

closed beta psyker was the shit

i miss force sword

[safe sun]

after they buffed force sword again it feels pretty similar IMO

it doesn't stun as far but that was just kind of stupidly good

[echo parrot]

My closed beta experience was nice. They even implemented a healthful system where the game would close out every 5-10 mins to make sure you are taking breaks. I wonder why they removed that.

[safe sun]

lmao

[left mirage]

kek

tbh its weird that we're talking about the mini-game they added inbetween the real game of loading screens

[exotic jungle]

yal know all the Psker Peril Tech numbers right?

man i liekd the other version thoo lol

[worthy wasp]

this just happened

that stam roll tho makes me sad

[hallow needle]

someone enlighten me please. how do people actively use surge staffs without wanting to take the emperors mercy

[cyan echo]

Whats the problem you're having with it?

[hallow needle]

they feel so weak and barely hit enough enemies

[safe sun]

they're not really for damage. You spam cast and stun everything

[cyan echo]

Dont use them on nudies, you will shred armourrd enemies with it

Either use melee or let zealot handle chaff

[bleak tulip]

same tbh

[cyan echo]

Stunlock elites and specials

[bleak tulip]

it just feels bad to use imo

[cyan echo]

Use primary fire for ranged suppression

[hallow needle]

i kinda wish its primary was like the flame staff

[tacit fractal]

Purgatus

[wispy tangle]

idk what to tell you guys, my surge blows everything that isn't a horde of infested up - except muties and dogs but the CC and tagging them takes care of it just as well

[ivory heath]

i cant use anything else after using it lol, the amount of control you have over the fight with it is unmatched by anything in the game

[tacit fractal]

Purgatus staff my beloved

[bleak tulip]

I wish the staff primary of any of the three with the same one would be more of a "primary"

but its just a tool to click on a straggler unless he moved in the 5 seconds it took from you clicking to the shot getting there

[hallow needle]

that moment when your veteran doesnt shoot enemies

[wispy tangle]

yeah i really dislike that it's the same one between all of them except purgatus, and purgatus is the one that actually would need the long range bolt attack option sometimes

[ivory heath]

felt

[bleak tulip]

what you dont enjoy your primary being a puff of fairy glitter that inconveniences enemies?

[worthy wasp]

its weird, I have a very melee-centric/hyper-aggressive playstyle and was shocked by how much I missed my ranged options when I swapped to purgatus

[wispy tangle]

you probably liked having the option to choose between close up and long range engagement

[karmic quail]

Psykers is the female seer voice as "out there" as the male seer voice?

[wispy tangle]

i really enjoy using surge with force sword myself, i feel they complement eachother very well

stun something like a mutie with surge, charge up sword special and oneshot him

[hallow needle]

3 veterans lobby moment

[echo parrot]

I actually havent encountered many people using female seer. Male yes, but not female.

[wispy tangle]

that kinda thing is nice to me

[bright cipher]

How does this happen with power sword existing ?

[sinful stream]

Do yall think force sword charged kills should give a warp charge? It literally pops their head off and takes about the same time for the wind up and attack

[hallow needle]

all veterans i get suck

[echo parrot]

I havent been able to stun a mutie with a surge

They just ignore it

[bleak tulip]

same when I play surge

the left click is ass

[safe sun]

you have to hit them early enough, they only get stunned at the end of the lightning unlike other things

[ivory heath]

it can be buggy sometimes

[bleak tulip]

so much more effort to hit shit and then it doesnt even do much unless its also a headshot

[worthy wasp]

One thing I love about Surge... it doesnt require los once you start the attack animation

[bright cipher]

Sometimes u can shoot without LOS at all

[echo parrot]

Sometimes I miss using my recon lasgun on my psyker. That was before I had any decent staves.

[bright cipher]

Enemies in cover for instance

[worthy wasp]

Like, I'll charge it behind cover... start shocking and go back behind cover... and then sprint+slide+weapon swap into melee attack to gap close

[sinful stream]

Do yall think force sword charged kills should give a warp charge? It literally pops their head off and takes about the same time for the wind up and attack

[wispy tangle]

there's something wrong with the staff left click bolt, it has extremely high input lag, you can test it easily in the meatgrinder. if you left click then quickly snap to a target, you'll see the bolt input will execute not where you actually physically clicked the mouse but where you snapped the cursor afterwards, it makes the bolt feel horrible to use

[bleak tulip]

I think its because you technically still have LOS because enemies in cover basically always poke something out

[wispy tangle]

basically means every time you left click you have to hold your cursor on target very briefly

[safe sun]

it's cause of the casting delay, you actually bring your hand up to shoot it.

not input lag

[bleak tulip]

yeah thats certainly how it feels

[wispy tangle]

that added with the delay of a slow flying projectile makes it really feel bad to use

[bleak tulip]

I think its the animation having to play before it shoots

which sucks

[wispy tangle]

input lag + slow projectile speed = bad time

[vagrant fractal]

the worst part is the input lag doesnt quite match the hand animation

[bright cipher]

Ah fuck please let me log in before the reset

[wispy tangle]

that could be the case, but they really should speed the animation up a lot to make it more responsive if it's like that

[bright cipher]

I just know I'm gonna miss a sick 380 grey surge staff

[bleak tulip]

it also feels like when you strafe the projectile either has side momentum too or it comes out where you were when you clicked and not where you are or the other way around which is just unintuitive because you dont track the target after clicking when its a single shot in any other game ever

[bright cipher]

It'd be fine if the projectile had some tracking and homing property

Which would make sense

But it doesnt

[bleak tulip]

I'd settle for no delay

like I can get myself to shoot it fairly competently but I feel like I have to flick a delay switch in my brain for it

[wispy tangle]

yeah i'd rather have no delay rather than tracking

[bleak tulip]

and even then its too slow

[vagrant fractal]

it sucks that enemies can just dodge your shots before it leaves your hand and you cant adjust it

[wispy tangle]

if they got rid of the input delay/animation delay + made the projectile faster it'd feel pretty good to use i reckon

the bolt is actually nice on unarmored targets on headshots, but requiring precision with those factors is just not a pleasant combo to engage with

[bright cipher]

dude why the fuck does logging in take literally 10 minutes

just missed a reset

[warped chasm]

Could I bother anyone to help me get "Out with a bang"?

[warm spindle]

The staff bolt is mostly for supression and 1 hit headshots

[bright cipher]

what processes does the game have to do that it takes 10 minutes of loading screen?

[warped chasm]

Mine loads fairly quick on a SSD?

[warm spindle]

not supposed to be “used”

[bright cipher]

how important is crit bonus on surge?

all other rolls are 72-76

[burnt rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zcgixm/siennas_eye_color_stacks_with_kerillians/

[safe sun]

Not very

[bright cipher]

yeah i thought so

[safe sun]

crit bonus in general seems like a weak stat except on weapons with high fire rate

on stuff that attacks slowly it's too inconsistent to worry about much

[bright cipher]

and none of the psyker traits do anything with crit

[muted folio]

guys i think the purgatus ( flamer thing ) is the best staff overall , am i wrong?

[bright cipher]

yes

[muted folio]

why?

[trail oar]

I think all the staves are awesome, keep purging

[safe sun]

voidstrike is best for damage, purge is best for CC, purgatus is kind of in between but (IMO) not as great at either

[bright cipher]

its got its niche but its get beaten on damage by voidstrike and beaten on cc by surge

[muted folio]

voidstrike is weird to me , it has anti synergy with ogryn rush and grenades etc

[spring nest]

surgw thw goat

surge#

[safe sun]

it does best with grouped up enemies or long lines of them, you fire it down the line and watch them all fall down

since on weak enemies it has infinite penetration

[muted folio]

oh i did not know that

[safe sun]

yeah, if you charge it up fully at least

[trail oar]

Was going to ask fellow siblings, is the 6 stack talent even good? The 10% chance to pop heads just seems better

[safe sun]

it spawns a cone AOE on each one it hits so if they're close together they end up getting hit by overlapping AOE as well as the projectile

[ivory heath]

10%

6 stack feels pretty useless since dmg buff can't stack 6 times

[safe sun]

yeah, 10%, getting warp stacks is too unreliable for the 6 one to be that good

[celest hedge]

6 stacks is nice for earlier in the build, extra stacks of tranquility is really nice, and I don’t know if you need those two extra stacks to reach the max range resistance or the level 20 talent

Plus a potential 6% damage on anything isn’t bad, though the free brain bursts is nice random burst damage

[near wyvern]

Depends on your build. If you have Essence harvest, go for kinetic flayer. If you have something else, warp battery is an option, especially if you take the +6% warp resistance per stack. In that case you should pick the lvl 30 talent that does not reset your stacks.

[bright cipher]

Thing is proccing BB on dmg isn't just dps

It's a stack generator

Every 15 seconds

[near wyvern]

BB = Bretty Bad

[trail oar]

Bratty Boi

[celest hedge]

You’re still fairly reliant on RNG, and communion already solved a lot of your warp charge problems

[bright cipher]

Yeah but on higher difficulties you don't manually BB much at all

[vernal imp]

honestly, the 12% damage boost from warp charges isn't even that great. it sounds like a must-have for 4+ but spending time getting warp charges could be used to help your team and disable specials / elites

it's just more of a "oh neat, i got a free warp charge off of my free BB"

[near wyvern]

I never focus on getting warp charges. I focus on protecting the team which will farm them for me

[bright cipher]

But also I'm in the camp of cc uptime > dmg

[vernal imp]

plus theres the choice of the 4% warp charge on team kill, or the 15% ult cooldown reduction on elite kill

and one is just great for your team

[tranquil badge]

I run fours and fives with my four man and me and the other psyker are less worried about keeping the warp charges stacked than we are with actually handling the specials/elites

[tranquil badge]

Personally i prefer the 15% for the teams

[near wyvern]

Veteran playets said they can have 100% upkeep during encounters and have a couple seconds of downtime after it so that the 15% ult reduction is not even noticeable for vets (who mainly do the elite killing)

[tranquil badge]

But ogryn charges

[tender cipher]

I am going to start calling people at work “varlets” and “siblings” and see fast that gets me fired

[near wyvern]

I am the ogryn. Kinetic deflection says hello.

[vernal imp]

zealots get more toughness regen uses, and ogryn gets faster attacks for more shield shoves which can never go wrong with, over you just dealing 12% more damage

and in downtime with veteran, bio-optic scanner is always nice

[tranquil badge]

Kinetic deflection so good

[tender cipher]

Max out wounds to max out times to explode.

Have at least +1 wound and the rest in health

That’s the real advice

Or be like me and just plan to explode