psyker-class

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah absolutely keep it for the blessing

my stash is a fuckin mess

[silk flax]

alright ty guys

[olive ember]

Also if the t2 deflector is 6% and the t3 I have is 9%

That means t5 should give 15% BCR

That’s a free curio perk right there

[bleak tulip]

I feel like the difference there is negligible overall

[hot ice]

seen about 10+ force swords in shop, still none with deflector yet

[bleak tulip]

same tbh

[hot ice]

probably closer to 15+ tbh

[olive ember]

I got mine by upgrading a Grey to a blue

[bleak tulip]

except all my stores are lasguns and axes

[hot ice]

even the grey/green ones i upgraded havent given me it

[olive ember]

atleast those are kinda useable I get fucking auto pistols and autoguns

[bleak tulip]

I just wish I could filter all guns out, I am never using them on psyker anyway

[olive ember]

And yeah I legit wasted atleast like 500 diamantine on force swords

Rolling for traits

[hot ice]

my plasteel is almost gone from force sword upgrading

[bleak tulip]

at this point I am mostly saving up because who knows how expensive shit is later

[hot ice]

[bleak tulip]

if I see a deflector im buying it but until then I aint crafting for it

[olive ember]

Most annoying was I had given up and upgraded another force sword to purple and literally the next sword I got was the one I rolled deflector, so a literal waste of 150 diamantine

If you have a bunch of mats I’d just buy any decent stat force sword that’s grey or green and upgrade it

It’s like 50 diamantine to go from blue to green

[cedar blade]

just saw this, brother, i dont think that situation wouldve happened in the first place if things were being cc'd with the chain lightnings and everything was on fire.

good plays tho

[lethal plover]

if things are good bad things never happen

but bad things happen

[hot ice]

also btw whats the tech to animation cancel surge?

[cyan notch]

sprint or swap weapon after cast

[olive ember]

Sprint or switch weapon

[hot ice]

ah

well thats easy

[worthy wasp]

To antax mkv bby

[peak spruce]

Anyone bought the full Mindwalker set and has a screenshot?

[worthy wasp]

Lol @ "can move while quelling" talent

[mellow crescent]

game telling you to play vet

[worthy wasp]

How about can dodge dip dive duck... and dodge while quelling with an antax out

[peak spruce]

axe is no good on any class

Teleport while quelling

[bright cipher]

the trick is to have quelling on a mouse button

to maintain full 360 mobility

[potent echo]

You can quell with an axe?

Oh you meant passive quell

[bright cipher]

yeah the fact that u can keep spamming dodge slide backwards rly makes that talent useless

imagine a psyker rolling backwards away from nurgle zombies while chanting mantras to calm down

[potent echo]

Sounds like dark souls

[dusk pilot]

Also weird thing I noticed about this game, it automatically assumed I had a mouse with more than three buttons

[worthy wasp]

Non-force weapons passive quell fast af and you can continue fighting while doing so. Great while under heavy pressure

[bright cipher]

AS IT SHOULD

[worthy wasp]

Its why I recommend pairing a non-force weap with Surge Staff

[potent echo]

Yea it faster than active quelling most of the time lol

[bright cipher]

if u dont have m4 and m5 u should be banned from matchmaking

[worthy wasp]

You cc shit constantly

Whether its with surge

Or push attacks

[potent echo]

Footpedals

[dusk pilot]

I just press c for quelling

[worthy wasp]

Youre constantly fkn quelling and ccing shit

[bright cipher]

bro your right side movement?

[worthy wasp]

And youre killing everything

And you have infinite stam

Basically

[dusk pilot]

Sorry wait not quelling but the third special attack

[potent echo]

But psyker is weak and needs a buff you see brainburst-

[bright cipher]

i prefer force sword for the ranged block and its special but otherwise my surge build is the same

[dusk pilot]

I.e press c to power up force sword etc etc

[worthy wasp]

I pull daemonhosts as psyker and ppl rage in voice comms until I show em my ogryn impression

[bright cipher]

i have weapon specials on m5

[worthy wasp]

Cant touch this

[bright cipher]

and quell on m4

whats the strat for demonhost when you have aggro as a psyker

[dusk pilot]

If you can't deflect, just dodge and block, I've run ropes around a daemonhost before

Only thing that stopped me was a horde

[worthy wasp]

Block and dodge, idk how else to explain. But have the block = peril talent

And peril = toughness

[lethal plover]

always shit comes in pairs. boss + mob + specials

[potent echo]

Boss trigger is based on entering a new zone. Horde/specials triggers on a timer

[worthy wasp]

I once had a dog try to jump me while I want tanking a dh

And a poxburster

[dusk pilot]

ye in that respect I was unlucky

[worthy wasp]

And I fkn pushed both

[potent echo]

So if you really want to be safe you can wait for the horde trigger before you walk into a boss trigger

But ain't nobody got time for that

[worthy wasp]

I was sweatin hard

[bright cipher]

how does that work

[left hare]

20 talent

btw who can pin in this channel?

[worthy wasp]

You passive quell with non-force weapon out.

You block with the "use peril to block trait"

You gain toughness from the "gain 5% toughness for 10% peril quelled" trait

So you can tank anything so long as you have antax/dueling sword/etc... so long as it isnt a force sword

[analog juniper]

but if you have a force sword with deflection you can block bullets

[worthy wasp]

Cuz force sword needs to hit the quell button to quell as fast as antax/dueling sword/etc

[dusk pilot]

ye but this is about taking on a daemonhost

[potent echo]

It's a choice, you can give up one or the other

[worthy wasp]

Ye Force Sword is nice for clutch revives

[near wyvern]

Kinetic deflector. Try it. It's better than what it sounds.

[worthy wasp]

Aside from that tho, its real nice having a non-force melee

[potent echo]

The biggest issue from force sword block honestly is the obnoxious effects that blind you

[worthy wasp]

Thats what got me to start exploring other options

[near wyvern]

The biggest issue IMO is that the weapon special animation works well until malice (T3) and after that it's just a bait to get you killed (T4 and T5)

[potent echo]

It's harder to use for sure

But that's what the force sword push is there for

You push down 2 ragers and special the 3rd one

[potent lotus]

does the ranged weak spot damage perk do anything on the surge staff?

[near wyvern]

Yeah. I like to run purge + duelling. I do 2 left click purge + 2 light attacks and repeat. Staggers everything in a cone and kills them neatly.

[potent echo]

Left click

[near wyvern]

Possibly left click 😂

[potent lotus]

useless it is then thanks

[near wyvern]

Oh BTW I tested salvo on void, only works for the left click so useless blessing

[worthy wasp]

I think FS is bis for builds that spend most their time with staff out... which you really shouldnt do with Surge Staff.

Void Strike pairs amazingly well with FS because you can play with your staff out most the time due to how versatile it is.

Surge and Purg arent anywhere near as versatile so rely on melee more

And FS allows you to do shit like clutch revive when needed

[potent echo]

Force sword unlimited dodge is godly, you just gather a bunch of horde unto yourself then unleash a purgatus

[worthy wasp]

But for Surge and arguably purg builds... Antax Mk V I believe is the meta option

Purg can def go either way tho

[ornate hamlet]

Oooo, I'm going to nurse this baby....

[lethal plover]

that was a tense moment
But it's how I envision purgatus

[near wyvern]

I like more duelling with purge. Allows you to skate around the map and light everything up for staggers

[bleak tulip]

salvo?

[ornate hamlet]

I don't like voidstrike; there's no CC for endgame.

[near wyvern]

That's a bait. Devil's claw is not good

[potent echo]

Ah this map, just tests if the team knows how to prioritize targets

[ornate hamlet]

Not good for what?

[near wyvern]

Salvo blessing gives increased damage on 2nd and 3rd hits

[near wyvern]

Not good for single target and too slow for trash

[worthy wasp]

Ye purg can really go any direction with melee, so long as the melee can deal with armor (purg is legitimately ass vs carapace)

But Voidstrike 1000% wants fs

It doesnt need its melee to do anything, so having the utility fs offers is 11/10

[near wyvern]

You always have BB to deal with armor

[worthy wasp]

Lol

[ornate hamlet]

Force Sword is good for that.

[worthy wasp]

If you have time to BB then you have nothing to worry about

Ye, so is Antax tho

Which is why I say purg can go either way

[potent echo]

Until we get a anti-armor staff

[worthy wasp]

But surge really wants non-force melee, purg can go either way, void wants fs

[bleak tulip]

killing a line through a horde and knocking over the rest isnt CC?

[potent echo]

Agree

[potent echo]

It doesn't work if the armor is leading the charge

[bleak tulip]

angle around them or spam them so they fall down instead

stagger is stagger

[ornate hamlet]

To do that, you have to fully charge it, if you're surrounded, you don't have time to charge it, if you have armor against you, it doesn't matter anyway. So what do you do? BURN THEM ALL!

[near wyvern]

Then use trauma /s

[bleak tulip]

you dont have to fully charge ever for trash

[potent echo]

Unironically, yea

[worthy wasp]

Heres the thing

[crimson pond]

Is the demonhost considered a monstrosity?

[bleak tulip]

and for stagger you dont have to either

[near wyvern]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah you do, otherwise it only kills a few: 3-4

[worthy wasp]

Void Staff + FS... if armor is leading the charge well FS can push the fk out of em

[cinder mesa]

i will say, im so glad psyker staffs dont friendly fire since sienna was hell with friendly firing on anything that wasnt bolt or beam staff

[crimson pond]

So we could kill that for the chest piece

[bleak tulip]

you really dont, I kill all trash on a half charge, you just had a shitty staff

[near wyvern]

Yes you get an Ogryn friend to tank it with shield and it's easy

[half iron]

it was called friendly fire for a reason.

[ornate hamlet]

What staff do you use?

[ornate hamlet]

Let's troubleshoot, what staff you use?

[crimson pond]

I knew it lol

[worthy wasp]

Cant wait til we get more classes tbqh, but ye all staffs but trauma are honestly good

[bleak tulip]

wdym what staff, void

[clear heath]

I'm glad they added barrels to the game for people who still want the friendly fire gameplay

blasting my friends off ledges is really fun

[cyan notch]

barrels are the dumbest thing ever

theres like 56 of them in any given area

[ornate hamlet]

Meaning, lets see the stats

[safe raven]

always shoot me barrels, then they go boom

[worthy wasp]

Even tho surge+antax is my preferred playstyle, I think a well played FS+Void tank is the strongest psyker build in the game.

Legit, outside of maybe tanking daemonhosts, there isnt a thing it cant do

[bleak tulip]

im at work, high 70's

[ornate hamlet]

70s? 370s? 470s?

[cinder mesa]

this isn't #ogryn-class !

[near wyvern]

I guess duelling sword with kinetic deflector is the best tanking weapon for psyker

[worthy wasp]

Ye

[bleak tulip]

that shit doesnt matter, the stat rolls are all high 70%

[worthy wasp]

Mk V dueling sword and Mk V Antax are both beastly defensive weaps

Antax has signif for offense tho

[flint turtle]

Once again I say, fuck out with a bang

[worthy wasp]

But the mobility of dueling sword is p clutch

[ornate hamlet]

Sure it does, it measures the total of stats in the stat block as seen here:

[bright cipher]

no i mean im using that already but nowhere does it state that the peril gained becomes toughness

[bleak tulip]

oh my god thats why I told you the stat rolls, not the rating

no shit sherlock

[ornate hamlet]

So high 70s what?

[bleak tulip]

because the rating is offset by the other shit too

are you dense

[ornate hamlet]

I get that.

[clear heath]

i think he means everything

[mellow delta]

He said it already. High 70s bars?

[ornate hamlet]

But I also understand how much a usual difference the other stats make.\

[mellow delta]

Overall

Not hard to understand

[flint turtle]

Another friendly face

[ornate hamlet]

All you've said is "high 70s"

[bleak tulip]

all but venting is high 70's

[lethal plover]

friendly fire doesn't work in this game
because so much range. vets killing ogryn all the time

[ornate hamlet]

That doesnt say much.

[bleak tulip]

fuck if I remember what exact number damge is, 78 or 79

[bright cipher]

high 70s clearly refers to overall 70% stat rolls

[bleak tulip]

oaky never mind homie

[ornate hamlet]

Sure, but that says little about his staff.

[bleak tulip]

[clear heath]

Wdym it doesn't say much? 70s in every stat is almost maxed. The highest i've seen on a modifier is 80%

[bleak tulip]

Im just gonna get back to me lunch

[mellow delta]

Good choice

[ornate hamlet]

It doesn't talk about his traits or his blessings

Makes a difference.

[bright cipher]

high 70s implies a good rolled base item

[ornate hamlet]

OF course it does.

[potent echo]

I don't think any blessing matters for any staff

[bleak tulip]

I didnt tell you about the blessings because that shit doesnt matter for damage, you can literally clear a full line of trash on heresy+ with a grey item if the stat roll is good enough

[bright cipher]

well....

[ornate hamlet]

I'm looking at my stats here, and I don't see how other than his trait/blessings how my staff could be shit in comparison to only pierce three mobs on a half charge where he can clear an entire line on difficulty 5

[clear heath]

Yeah but why were you asking for a total score? That tells you even less

[placid hamlet]

it does but not for this talk

[bright cipher]

supression is pretty goated for surge and purg

[potent echo]

Can purgatus get +2soulblaze stacks on crit? If so then we talkin

[bright cipher]

warp flurry/suppression is what youd want usually

imo

[clear heath]

soulblaze
lmao

[bright cipher]

S ULBLAZE

maybe in 10 patches

[potent echo]

Idk how good suppression is on purg because I haven't found one without

[mellow delta]

Soulblaze 💀

[bleak tulip]

I dont know what to tell you bud, I aint having issues with that, sounds like youre hitting chest height or some shit

[dusk pilot]

Also I'd say I want this outfit, but I bet it'll be sold if they ever make it

(also that staff)

[bright cipher]

loyalist scum

[mellow delta]

I agree. I use void and 1 hit trash on half charge if I aim at weakspot

[potent echo]

What's wrong with soulblaze?

[bright cipher]

its bugged/shit

[clear heath]

What is your staff?

[potent echo]

But purge staff is good right?

[bright cipher]

its passable

good enough that i sees use

[clear heath]

Soulblaze does like 20 damage

[lethal plover]

purgatus flame counts as soul blaze
the soul blaze feat at 25 is shit though

[bright cipher]

unlike trauma

[ornate hamlet]

All the same Purgatus > Voidstrike as it has a massive cloud for CC which allows your team to clear everything out while you roast'em. COuple it with your 15s cd of BB chefs kiss

[potent echo]

Yea and purge staff uses soulblaze

[ornate hamlet]

Work smater, not harder.

Couple that with the ability to spout flame while sprinting... Yeeeeeee.

[bleak tulip]

now if only purgatus didnt suck for damage against anything that isnt trash

by the time you stacked enough dot on even a mauler that fucker is dead from me just hitting it in melee

[potent echo]

Purgatus still goes through the carapace and kills things behind it. Your teammates can clear the carapace usually no issue

[bright cipher]

voidstrike with large explosion radius staggers everything but the biggest lads lol

[clear heath]

They should make DoTs scale with something.
The fact that a level 1 with starter gear on sedition does the same damage with a DoT as a level 30 with endgame gear on damnation is absurd

[mellow delta]

BB on damnation?

[clear heath]

Make it scale with level, difficulty, max hp, idk just do something

[bleak tulip]

if you are deadass using BB on damnation I dont know what to tell you fam

[bright cipher]

people use BB more than once in a blue moon?

[dusk pilot]

ye I'm not really sure what you are saying here, void staff can cc pretty effectively

[lethal plover]

remember your force sword is there for a reason

[potent echo]

Oh we that kind of psyker chat today I see

[ornate hamlet]

If it is taller than a human, switch to force sword, hit it in the back.

[dusk pilot]

I've seen it stagger many an elite unit, it just doesn't stagger for long

[ornate hamlet]

flailing about burning > stagger

[dusk pilot]

But you can re-stagger them with it, I use it to wack traitor ogryns all the time

[bleak tulip]

thanks for the gameplay tips from the guy that says purg is good on damnation and uses BB against maulers on 5

[potent echo]

Purgatus doesn't stagger elites, like at all

[lethal plover]

you betcha we're gonna use it for bombers and snipers.

[dusk pilot]

flaling about burning? when

[potent echo]

Not even poxbursters (unless left click)

[mellow delta]

😂

[ornate hamlet]

purgatus staff

[dusk pilot]

Most elite enemies walk right into purg and ignore it

[potent echo]

They don't tho

[bright cipher]

only arguably correct use since u can tag them before they run into cover or into a hallway

[bleak tulip]

I low key just snipe em with void but thats valid enough

[dusk pilot]

That and yeah, ranged units with purg is such a pain in the ass

[bleak tulip]

by the time I charged BB on a sniper I coulda just shot him

[ornate hamlet]

If you're struggling with that and not knowing what to do, idk what to tell ya bud. You say it's poor dmg, but you're applying a massive AOE to all targets that applies a stacking dot.

Think that's shit dmg, you're wrong hombre.

[lethal plover]

ok let's not get too heated

[dusk pilot]

I hate having that little poof of fire with left click

[bleak tulip]

I mean its not just me but whatever you say

you do you

[ornate hamlet]

I do, and I win.

[magic hull]

it stacks fire damage

[mellow delta]

I would say void has massive AoE too but you know

[bright cipher]

LMAO

this guy

[potent echo]

It has increased stagger properties (hound/poxbursters applications)

[mellow delta]

"I win" 💀

[potent lotus]

purg staff feels underwhelming, I wish it just had the normal left click cause the one it has fucking sucks lol

[bleak tulip]

k

[bright cipher]

its fine to enjoy purg but saying its great is just plain lying

[ornate hamlet]

Yes, like winning the level 5 matches?

[bright cipher]

especially when void beats it on dmg and surge beats it on cc

[dusk pilot]

Just hit a poxhound with a charged void bubble

[ornate hamlet]

It is great. I use it to great affect.

[bright cipher]

but yeah, purg is better than trauma

[ornate hamlet]

effect*

[bright cipher]

thats 100% true

[raw breach]

It's great (for clearing hordes if you don't have a Zealot Flamer)

[potent echo]

2 staff psyker when

[ornate hamlet]

Or zealot flamers are good if you don't have a psyker

[mellow delta]

Void still has better clear than purg imo

[tight spoke]

so far I'm sticking with the lightning staff, it has amazing cc properties and helps the team immensely
Haven't tried any others, but I hear voidstrike is good?

[potent echo]

Flamer dps >>> purgatus it's not even close

[analog juniper]

the left click should be a fireball that does the same thing as it does right now, which is extra stagger, just with range

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike is good - in hallways.

[potent lotus]

no matter which staff I pick the game will crash at the end of the mission anyways

[mellow delta]

Void is good against any horde tbh

[mellow delta]

True

[magic hull]

purge is good when ur getting rushed

[ornate hamlet]

By the time you've fired your fourth directional volley to "clear" I've already spun and CC'd the entire group.

[raw breach]

Void has this niche where you can get Transfer Peril to quell peril on weak spot hit. If you launch an artillery bowling ball into a horde at head level, you clear all your peril, then repeat fire

[ornate hamlet]

And they're all burning.

[lethal plover]

blink and you miss it

[ornate hamlet]

Hit the special ability, knockem down apply more stacks.

then firespin again on a horde that's coming in from all directions

[bleak tulip]

damage be like 2 2 2 2 2 2

[ornate hamlet]

Meanwhile, you just finished your first four directions.

golfclap

[lethal plover]

the point is to stagger.

[bleak tulip]

shouldnt you just left click for stagger tho?

[lethal plover]

once they are staggered you can do full spray or force push or whatever

[bleak tulip]

I heard thats the meme with purg

[lethal plover]

left click is only for staggering one guy, not 180 degree

[magic hull]

yes left click stagger also stack burning damage

[bleak tulip]

idk I just use force sword to stagger horde

[spring nest]

Surge staff best staff no argument can stun anything except a boss so no need to stress head popping can stop dogs and everything and the stun is so long you can even have time to switch to head pop and finish it

[ornate hamlet]

And again, Purge is wonderful because you may have a solid miniature army of armor.

[magic hull]

doesnt work agaisnt guys with armor

for flame

sword is good ngl

[bright cipher]

yeah void with transfer peril is so goated

[coarse escarp]

where the fuck do u guys get staff and force sword

[ornate hamlet]

Not only with your attacks proccing a brain burst every 15 seconds based on every target hit, the Voidstrike will struggle to go past 2 armored targets

[bleak tulip]

against normal ones it does, elites I either full push or just kite

[bright cipher]

20-30 shots before u need to quell

[coarse escarp]

HUH?

[cyan echo]

I would say, Surge is amazing IF you have a team you can count on to exploit the CC you cause

[ornate hamlet]

Also, y ou're applying a ticking dot with your AOE on all armored targets.

[bleak tulip]

mood

[magic hull]

surge goes well with zealots

[bright cipher]

bro why tf is ur team fighting enemies on 4 sides instead of creating a moving funnel?

[bleak tulip]

but yeah higher level and you unlock more staves

dont remember when you get anything but trauma

[ornate hamlet]

Sand map, train map... Gotta move across the field.

[coarse escarp]

i think i got all types, it just doesn't roll

[potent echo]

Isn't this malice tho

[dusk pilot]

it's all luck really, I know a friend of mine who has been playing and hasn't rolled any staff past trauma yet

[lethal plover]

heresy

[bleak tulip]

all of those places still have funnels

if you dont use em thats on you

[potent echo]

Wounds 👀

[ornate hamlet]

Yep, and my positioning is in the middle of the team. I don't direct it, that's how I get killed.

[night mortar]

my new void staff 👀

[bleak tulip]

incidentally funnels are also much better for purg for obvious reasons

[torn bison]

Does the Serial Killer Penance (kill 20 consecutive enemies with headshots) work with Head-Pops, and what's the easiest map to get the "Kill 3 Elites/Specials with a Peril of the Warp Explosion?"

[cyan echo]

Yeah, but it depends on having teammates that can clear the chaff from a horde so that you can stun the elites

[lethal plover]

how many wound curios do you have?

[potent echo]

None

[bleak tulip]

thats pretty good

[potent echo]

[bleak tulip]

charge rate would be ideally full but hey thats like .2 seconds tops

[lethal plover]

vote to kick

[bleak tulip]

less actually

[potent echo]

I've never needed wounds though, either I'm 1 down or we are all dead

[cyan echo]

Shame you got a low roll on the blessing

[magic hull]

you tell them

[night mortar]

yeah, regardless happy with it

[bleak tulip]

yeah you can fix that later tho

I have the same issue

got a t3 transfer on my old staff

new one has 1

[fervent barn]

hello

[clear heath]

hi

[ornate hamlet]

What really amazes me about this game though, is that the armor they wear is not just for show and tell, like you hit the ogryns on different spots of their chest armor, you'll hit different resistances and armor ypes.

[lethal plover]

you probably need the health and the "not-casualty" status.
anyway we all die. it's just a matter of being man enough to own it.

[hybrid nimbus]

Yes to the headshots, at least

[ornate hamlet]

That surprised me, pleasantly.

[lethal plover]

and bring +wounds

[cyan echo]

I feel like playing a round of Damnation as lasgun psyker, for the sheer hell of it

[potent echo]

I rather have toughness honestly

[bleak tulip]

ideally both

[potent echo]

Is 15% toughness worth 1 wound? Probably not but number big

[clear heath]

I take +1 wound and the rest as toughness

[bleak tulip]

I rolled wound curios until I got one with toughness regen at least

[scarlet lily]

do people forget about the health packs they pick up?

[bleak tulip]

secondary toughness rolls are pretty small unfortunately

[tight spoke]

I am very happy with how this plays

[south monolith]

The armor and enemy typing and how they are mixed really is beautiful from a mechanical point of view.

[potent echo]

Yes

Source: me

[bright cipher]

you unlock all of them somewhere between lvl9 and 14 i think

[scarlet lily]

[bleak tulip]

well thats just bad luck on their end then rip

[magic hull]

oh yeah thats rlly good

[ornate hamlet]

The staff was my first gold item and it has carried me into Level 5 with success. I have other things I'm working on building up. With a combination of knowing my class and my weapon, this build has been "good" as it performs its role within Damnation well. Purgatus is not "bad" and neither are Force Swords

[cyan echo]

Always fun to see people trying to headshot maulers

[magic hull]

heres what left click purga is good for. Ideally you just light flame the guy around 5-6 times, and just dodge back. Let the fire do the rest. Only bad thing about this is long ttk.

[scarlet lily]

Does warp resist effect peril on block?

[ornate hamlet]

yes!

[scarlet lily]

shid

[bleak tulip]

yeah this ttk is why I am just not respecting dots in this game

[potent echo]

I think charge is still faster overall, might be wrong tho

[ornate hamlet]

You wouldn't use purge for a reaper.

[cyan echo]

in this case i would just do special on force sword to 1 hit or 2 hit them

[torn bison]

I feel like the lightning staff would still be better for that situation

[magic hull]

its a demonstration bruh smh

[scarlet lily]

depends if it has friends

[lethal plover]

reaper is like the last target I want to use flame on tbh

[ornate hamlet]

Or if you can't get close, use BB

[magic hull]

reapor has high health so im showing how high the stack can go

usually use it on grunts

[cyan echo]

u know what to do

[potent echo]

As an incidental target, it does pretty nice deeps

[clear heath]

i swear dots in this game are designed around malice
they do barely anything

[south monolith]

They mix and match some enemies that are related and swap the armor types around. Like the common Scab melee units having flak armor with an unarmored head and the inverse for the common Dreg melee units.

[magic hull]

its common sense to not spam left click on reapers lol

[bleak tulip]

yeah its just by the time you stacked enough dots on trash you killed them with the flat damage of the flamer

thats also the reason why all soublaze traits suck

[spring nest]

Why does everyone attack the daemonhost

[ornate hamlet]

You're not meant to think of them in the scale of single target. If you hit 20 targets, you're doing 5 ticking damage, thats 100 dps for one stack.

[bleak tulip]

enemy must kill unga

unironically

[south monolith]

Most things should target the Mauler body, something like a Thunderhammer special attack will do more on the head though.

[ornate hamlet]

Plus, you gotta calculate your staff damage which pierces all targets

[clear heath]

The staff damage is doing most of the work

[magic hull]

usually its for stacking the enemies at the back when a horde is coming for you because you need instant flame and getting overwhelmed instantly. Once you got into a good position*then charge up the right click

usually just left click first a few, press Q to change to melee, do the thing, Q again, flame, melee

it helped me alot

[ornate hamlet]

This is also the most important part of any Purgatus build:

[cyan echo]

Do you know what the rate of soulblaze-stack application is when doing the altfire?
Is it 1 stack per main attack?

[lethal plover]

purgatus is way faster to whip out than flamer, for staggering and mobility sake as well
you really spec into the mobile horde clearer + killing armored with force sword + clutch revive role

[tight spoke]

worth buying and upgrading?

[worthy wasp]

That said, if we look at Void the same way firing a charged shot straight down a horde....

[ornate hamlet]

those bottom 3 hurt

[bright cipher]

if u dont have something better, most definitely

[worthy wasp]

How much damage is THAT lmao

[ornate hamlet]

Gets stopped by armor. Im talking about a horde of armor

[magic hull]

I only specifically use purgatus or hordes or stunning ranged units. The rest i just rely on BB and melee. Very unusual gamestyle but it works.

[hollow halo]

with the current awful shop RNG and missing crafting i'd take anything

[worthy wasp]

Ahh for sure

[ornate hamlet]

Then, having that passive BB is even better

[worthy wasp]

I think horde of armor... wouldnt surge win at that point?

[bright mica]

purgatus makes flamer zealot redundant in every capacity

[worthy wasp]

Oh passive BB is must have

[orchid dirge]

it depends, if you got nothing good buy it and use it rolls are decent, i usually wait till its 360+ for upgrades

[bright cipher]

personally id stock up on 380 trauma staves because a day will come when it will be buffed and totally op

[lethal plover]

well ... it's also mainly that the added utility of force sword clutch is too much

[magic hull]

left click stack each time, right click DOES NOT STACK. For grunts you only need to left click 2-3 times to kill them. Stack and forget, focus on the others. And dodge alot too.

[orchid dirge]

got myself a 380 trauma lmao

[frail spire]

"All attacks have 10% chance of BB" - does all attacks include stuff like the soulfire burn that ticks after u damage something with ur fire staff?

[ornate hamlet]

I've been in a surge, zealot, purgatus group. We Destroyed. We melted the biggest armor groups. Redundant? Yes, and effective.

[clear heath]

I'm not trying to argue that purg is bad. I always appreciate having one on the team.
The soulblaze status itself is just such a weak part of it

[peak spruce]

Any tips for blowing up myself for the penance? :D

[hollow halo]

but blue flames look cool 😎

[worthy wasp]

Bruh I have to be doing something wrong

[south monolith]

If you don't have a voidstrike with the peril quelling on weakspot hit trait, might be good to get and hope for the best.

[bright mica]

infinite ammo, faster "reload", near instant switch-time, purgatus chads stay winning while zealot fLAMERS catch Ls

[worthy wasp]

Are yall sure armory isnt based off equipped gear?

[ornate hamlet]

No, but you dont need to worry as your flame is flippin huge

[magic hull]

a good combo is: right click, initiate first stack. Then left click and add burn damage and repeat. It does crazy damage.

[bleak tulip]

charge sword, double tap q, charge again

etc

[peak spruce]

[cyan echo]

Right click doesn't stack the burn? 😮

[bright mica]

even faster if you switch to brainburst to circumvent switching speed of your staff

[bleak tulip]

you can surge three ragers to do some damage first because the explosion wont outright kill em, also to keep em rooted

[magic hull]

nope iirc

which fucking sucks

[cyan echo]

That's outrageous

[magic hull]

they SHOULD stack

[lethal plover]

how fast is this for killing beast of nurgle?

[magic hull]

If they stack purgatus is going insanely good at horde clearing

[cyan echo]

That would explain why it felt so lackluster, ive been using the alt-fire

[magic hull]

you can get to 100 burn per second really good

sadly devs said no too op

[frail spire]

how many can the lightning hit?

[potent lotus]

man what the fuck are the level reqs even based on lol

[cyan echo]

So whats even the point of alt-fire then?

[cyan echo]

5

[magic hull]

just use BB or melee tbh

it wont do shit to nurgle

[lethal plover]

spray 180 and constantly stagger

[potent lotus]

the 270 rating is too high level but the 303 and 292 are fine, makes sense

[bleak tulip]

ym I crazy? the dot stacks in the meat grinder on rmb

or did I misunderstand something

[ornate hamlet]

I know we said clawsword sucks... but... what if it has two stacking dmg buffs?

[lethal plover]

probably too slowly ?

[bleak tulip]

I guess?

[sterile lake]

Guys what is the Best staff, I just started my psyker

[magic hull]

it does not stack burn damage per seconds

thats what i mean

[ornate hamlet]

That's a seriously loaded question rn.

[analog juniper]

Since when does it suck? Isn't it the horde clear sword?

[magic hull]

otherwise you would be getting 100+ burn damage/ second which is really good

[ornate hamlet]

Someone earlier was saying it was garbage.

[lethal plover]

Surge voidstrike and purgatus. Just 3 really

[bleak tulip]

I mean it doesnt stack for every tick but it stacks

im pretty sure

but yeah its not every flame tick

[sterile lake]

Ok i am using surge Rn and I am pretty happy with it

[magic hull]

yeah the tickle burn lol

[nocturne stream]

burn dmg scales differently for each enemy

[potent lotus]

depends on what you want, surge is good for cc, purg for horde clearing and void is all around good pretty much

[magic hull]

pain of purgatus players

[bleak tulip]

after a solid while you can get good big ticks but its obviously far from ideal lol

[worthy wasp]

Ye I see a lot of ppl use surge wrong

[bleak tulip]

same with zealot flamer, you can actually kill maulers with it but it takes a while

[worthy wasp]

Surge vs hordes is doodoo

[bleak tulip]

gotta ramp the ticks up

[worthy wasp]

Like, worse than trauma doodoo

[sterile lake]

As I play with randoms usually I guess it will be Voidstrike then

[cyan echo]

Trauma's only strength is anti-horde really

[potent lotus]

depends on what you want from it, it's still good at cc'ing elites if your team can take care of the trash mobs

[clear heath]

surge is pretty good for keeping randoms alive

[worthy wasp]

Surge is my oh shit button

[bleak tulip]

void doesnt rely on other classes to do damage like surge does, you can snipe with it unlike purg and its still good CC

[ornate hamlet]

Can I get some thoughts on this? What should I do with this gun?

[cyan echo]

if Zealot has flamer and you have Surge, i'd say you're in a good spot

[cyan echo]

Hide it where the emperors light don't shine

[potent lotus]

too bad you can't really see what the fuck your team has before you join to change based on that, if I have a zealot with a flamer then I feel useless if I picked up purg instead of surge lol

[clear heath]

usually people have good dps stuff anyways. It's only really fucked if you get screwed by a team comp like 4 surge players or something

[nocturne stream]

probably keep it until crafting becomes available but also: LuL gun psyker

[lethal plover]

tbh, it will take more experience to learn how to use a staff to its full potential.
like I saw someone play voidstrike by constantly jumping. pretty decent idea.
I also do not flick enough with purgatus.

[bleak tulip]

j... jumping?

[magic hull]

Ideal 4 man psyker team:
Two voidstrike
One surge
One purge

[analog juniper]

keep it for when they finally give you mats from dismantling weapons

[potent lotus]

I'mma be honest I'd rather not have a 4 psyker team instead

[analog juniper]

you clearly have not seen the POWER of 4 Surge staves

[worthy wasp]

Or 4 surge and 4 antax mvs

[bright cipher]

keep it in your stash and lament that youre not a veteran

[bleak tulip]

is is unfortunately, very limited

[bright cipher]

4 trauma

[bleak tulip]

[clear heath]

4 surges staff users with their combined total of 8 dps

[magic hull]

it would CC the same enemy wdym. Horde clearing is bad.

[worthy wasp]

Not playing surge right

[bright cipher]

consider talking to people in the lobby?

[potent lotus]

surge has good dps, especially if you animation cancel, it's strength still lies in the cc

[analog juniper]

It deletes specials

and kills the horde too

[cyan echo]

How do you animation cancel the surge?

Using Q?

[potent lotus]

half the time I drop directly into the game

[analog juniper]

we had near 0 issues

[potent lotus]

sprint forward, switch weapon works too iirc

[analog juniper]

only a few ranged guys gave us minor trouble

[mystic burrow]

should I get this and upgrade it?

[magic hull]

if it works for u then be that ur best combination then

[lucid mortar]

That's a good point - you can't currently see your team's gear in the lobby screen, can you? If not, that would be a nice addition, especially for pubs

[worthy wasp]

I like it

[potent lotus]

you can ask and hope that they answer if you don't get dropped into the game directly

[worthy wasp]

Just dont use it with a force sword

[analog juniper]

charging mutant? Halt! The power of warp lightning compels you

[magic hull]

quell speed isnt good but its good everything else above average

[frail spire]

with Kinetic Flayer is the 15 sec cd on bb separate for each individual target or is it a shared cd?

[potent lotus]

I'll use it with force sword because it's fun

[lethal plover]

it was pretty funny to watch

[clear heath]

Nothing wrong with using surge with a force sword

[lethal plover]

this guy kept jumping and sliding the whole game

[worthy wasp]

Maybe I'm bias but one of the best/worst things about surge staff is that it has 2 dump stats

[tacit fractal]

Ooooh

[nocturne stream]

but why jump tho

[worthy wasp]

Holy shit

Didnt realize surge was a thing

[bleak tulip]

but.. why

[nocturne stream]

You should aim for heads tho

[analog juniper]

I need that Surge perk.. on my Surge staff with 79 crit

[nocturne stream]

with staff since it can actually hit weakspots

[worthy wasp]

What other staffs can roll that Surge blessing? Thats a game changer

[autumn token]

Seems to do a LOT of damage to Carapace enemies though, yes?

[ornate hamlet]

Doing some testing with purgatus on lighter armored targets (rager, scab gunner, dreg gunner) is that yes, you can pulse, but it is much more efficient to hold down the damage as by the time you overheat, your left click pusling is still doing less than if you held right click down.

[mild canopy]

Spent all my money on the hood, made my character go bald 10/10 game

[bleak tulip]

aoe on void, much like most weapons, is absolutely dogwater for damage, and for trash you dont gotta CC if you can jsut kill em

[tacit fractal]

Very cool

[potent lotus]

I use the imperial edition armor cause the only other one I like is the 90% brain burst monstrosity and I don't wanna bother

[south spruce]

Damn Pick n' Mix is driving me insane

[potent lotus]

powerful enough to have a missing texture

[analog juniper]

have you noticed you can spray the left click attack to stagger a group?

[worthy wasp]

Dunks on armor, get dunked on by non-armor. Pair it with a weapon that isnt a force weapon and can clear hordes. So antax mkv combat axe or mkv dueling sword

[tacit fractal]

W

[clear heath]

damn i just thought he had a cool skin

[ornate hamlet]

Yes, I have sprint while shooting on the staff and I use that to GTFO

[bleak tulip]

hmm never seen surge before

interesting

[potent lotus]

are there even any skins that make it any different than having a red blade or a different colored handle

[bleak tulip]

wonder what the hell that does when it crits on a rmb

[tacit fractal]

Seems pretty whacky when you use it on a horde

[worthy wasp]

Overkill tbh

[ornate hamlet]

Pulsing left click on Reaper: ~50-70 dmg before you overheat.
Holding Right click on Reaper: ~150-170 ticking DPS before you overheat.

[bleak tulip]

depends on how it comes out, if you plan for it you can adjust angle maybe

[tacit fractal]

I call it kill confirm

[bleak tulip]

but I havent seen it

[worthy wasp]

I'm just curious if it works with Surge Staff

Because holy shit thatd be nuts

[clear heath]

i'm gonna guess it's voidstrike exclusive

[worthy wasp]

Same tbh

[clear heath]

no way surge staff would have surge

[worthy wasp]

Ironic

[clear heath]

surgeless surge staff

[tacit fractal]

Purgatus Surge staff

[autumn token]

Damage from +2 stacks better than bonus stacks coverting to Soulblaze via Kinetic Overload, with Purgatus?

[south spruce]

"2 shots on critical hit" - what does that even mean?

[bleak tulip]

nah it'd only work on left click with surge tho

[tacit fractal]

Probably idk, means it's 2x damage on a crit?

[clear heath]

there's also the peril resistance letting you spam more

[bleak tulip]

buy it and find out

youre the scientist now

[worthy wasp]

With the crit rate I wonder what the dps would be like... and also it doesnt say it has a CD... so if the 2nd shot crits too then does it fire a 3rd?

[south spruce]

so it's "bonus critical damage" then?

[tacit fractal]

But I do like that Force Sword though

[bleak tulip]

do it for us

[orchid dirge]

easiest way to get the "going out with a boom" penance?

[worthy wasp]

My staff and axe are shit and everything in shop is shit

[tacit fractal]

Nah sibling i'm going with what the whispers tell me

[worthy wasp]

I'm convinced I'm doing something wrong

[clear heath]

Just be luckier

[tacit fractal]

Have an LFG team

[bleak tulip]

stupid melk

[potent lotus]

the wshispers told me to call Hadron Mommy and they haven't failed me yet siblings

[ornate hamlet]

Empr'ah provides. Be patient.

[worthy wasp]

Are we positive equipped items dont have a role in what shows up in shop? And its inventory?

[bleak tulip]

reasonably

[clear heath]

I'm just happy to have gotten a good force sword with deflector

[potent lotus]

Hadron told me she hopes I overheat and die in the most painful way possible

[bleak tulip]

my stores vary a lot too and are usually way under my gear

[nocturne stream]

No the game is designed poorly and progress is essentially behind rng and waiting for the shop to restock

[potent lotus]

my stores tend to give me lasguns and knives

[flint turtle]

Perhaps you are lacking the skill to use them?

[worthy wasp]

Nah, its just missing crafting. Once we have crafting it'll all come together

[potent lotus]

I used the same force sword from level 8-20 because it didn't give me another one and I like the weapon

[clear heath]

Just watch the store more
You can get 24 shop refreshes a day if you give up sleeping

[fringe remnant]

is Warp Nexus usless on purgatus because it doesn't crit? Or does it build crit on your melee as well?

[nocturne stream]

that depends on what crafting actually entails. If we cant modify base score its kinda stupid

[bleak tulip]

cant wait for the darktide shop app so I can be disappointed everywhere every hour

[fringe remnant]

why roll crit effects on a critless weapon?

[worthy wasp]

If its like vt2, we'll be able to do everything but base score

[orchid dirge]

you can expect it to be like vt2 honestly

[bleak tulip]

so far they announced blessing change and perk reroll

[worthy wasp]

VT2 crafting is good

[bleak tulip]

no base stat changing

[potent lotus]

they already said crafting a new weapon won't be a thing so it's not gonna be completely like vt2

hope they change their mind on that, I hate the shop

[bleak tulip]

so buy good base weapons, and good blessings

[nocturne stream]

Why should we expect it be like vt2 when it really isn't like it at all tho

[worthy wasp]

You'll see

[potent lotus]

would if I could, game gives me a staff about once per 10 rotates and half of those are trauma

[orchid dirge]

the shop needs some tweaking, it would be cool to buy upgrades so its not like a rng fest

[flint turtle]

Tbh as long as we get the ability to turn dimation to plasteel I'll be happy

[bleak tulip]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/3485252139459350311

reminder that they talked about it already

[nocturne stream]

Or simply buy the weapons you want but the stats are random. Instead of this garbage we have now

[potent lotus]

why tho, I've never run out of plasteel but constantly low on dia

[clear heath]

Let me refresh the shop with currency so i can actually improve my odds of getting stuff i want with all the money i've been farming

[long stratus]

Purgatus does crit last I checked

[bleak tulip]

Consecration

Consecrating a weapon or curio increases its sanctity in the eyes of the Emperor, improving its effectiveness, and adding a random Perk or Blessing, depending on the item type and its new sanctity level.

Earn Blessing

You may also choose to surrender a weapon to Hadron in exchange for a Votive Offering dedicated to one of the weapon’s Blessings. This allows you to extract the Blessings you are interested in from weapons you no longer want, and collect them for use with the Combine or Re-Bless actions.

Combine Blessings

At the Shrine you may choose to combine three Votive Offerings into a single upgraded Votive Offering. Currently, most Votive Offerings have a maximum Tier of IV, but there are some exceptions to this. We're testing a few different options with the requirements and the results of combining these Votive Offerings.

Re-Bless

By Re-Blessing a weapon in the Shrine, you can replace a weapon’s existing Blessing by expending a Votive Offering from your collection, further tailoring the weapon to your liking. The weapon gains the Blessing associated with the chosen Votive Offering -he original Blessing is lost in the process.

Refine Item

To refine your weapon and curios, Hadron takes your item and attempts to scour away the corrosion and damage of its long use, uncovering its true nature and altering its strengths. In game, these strengths take the form of the item’s Perks. Accordingly, each time you Refine an item, one Perk is discarded in favour of another, random Perk uncovered by Hadron’s repairs. Multiple refinements on the same item attract increasing costs - the deeper a weapon’s true character lies, the harder it is to reach it.

As an example, you may choose to select the perk “Deal +10% damage to Armored enemies” on your Chainsword for refinement and in its stead Hadron replaces it with “Increase Melee Critical Strike Chance by 2%”.

[flint turtle]

I'm the other way around, feel like I never have plasteel

[potent lotus]

not in game rn but pretty sure I have like 1.5k plasteel and 35 dia right now lol

[nocturne stream]

Where do they say you can alter the base stats. Maybe i skimmed too fast but it seems to be just blessings and perks

[clear heath]

they don't

no one said they did

[bleak tulip]

they dont mention it which is why people told you you are unlikely to be able to

[ornate hamlet]

The tier thing doesn't make sense to me.

[fringe remnant]

Is it true that staves always roll lower maximum base stats than other weapons?

[orchid dirge]

so no base stats

[nocturne stream]

Then crafting doesn't "fix" anything really

[lethal plover]

[bleak tulip]

I mean the base rolls being set is pretty normal for fatshark

and eventually we get reds and that shit doesnt matter anyway

[nocturne stream]

If it behaves the same sure

[bleak tulip]

it likely will considering 80% is current softcap

[nocturne stream]

Who's to say reds isn't just 80-100 unlock and random stats

Not necesarily a 500 base just because it's red

[potent lotus]

I wonder if reds will be some dif 5 reward or if I'll just have to hope to god one drops in the shop for a weapon I want

[bleak tulip]

because that would make no sense and would go against established previous shit

sure they ont have to do it but its expected

[nocturne stream]

well the shop and current crafting kinda goes against established shit which is my point

[potent lotus]

not being able to craft weapons also goes against previously established shit

[gloomy beacon]

Man, i just want damage numbers in my darktide gamee 😦

[raw breach]

Who's to say the cap isn't 400, they just haven't unlocked it to go past 380 until they implement crafting?

[gloomy beacon]

i want the gamepass to update so i can check the staves that i have

[orchid dirge]

did they say something about red weapons?

i think they wont be a thing

[clear heath]

no

[bleak tulip]

I mean only the shop does, the crafting is still possible to be similar, we just dont know yet

then softcap on stats wouldnt be 80

what kind of sense would that make

[nocturne stream]

Yeah but reds is always max stats. Who's to say it will be max stats in this game when they introduce it

[bleak tulip]

its either reds or some high tier crafting that allows you to raise stats

[potent lotus]

getting the crafting resources in missions and not being able to craft a new weapon is already not similar
and I really dislike the no weapon crafting

[bleak tulip]

and they havent talked about either, but have talked about crafting in general

which is why I assume reds

[orchid dirge]

dont assume with fatshark lmao

[nocturne stream]

My problem is that we're relying on the time gated shit shop for our item bases. If crafting doesn't give us oppurtunity to increase the base stats the problem still remains

[bleak tulip]

I played both VT1 and 2, I know lmao

[potent lotus]

I assumed the game wouldn't crash half the time I load into a mission but it is what it is

[bleak tulip]

I mean yeah I agree with that

[nocturne stream]

If we can just make the item bases better then why have RNG time gate shit in the first place?

It kinda conflicts

[bleak tulip]

I'd also prefer to always get an item after a mission

would make grims worth taking

[orchid dirge]

yet here we are 1 week post launch no crossplay and no crafting so expect reds next year

i hope im wrong tho

[potent lotus]

I'm still wondering how we'll actually get reds, since there's no red dust or anything and it'd be kinda wack if you could just spam dif 1 missions to get dia/plasteel to get a red lol

[bleak tulip]

crossplay?

is this shit even out on consoles

lmao

[orchid dirge]

you cant play with people on xbox pass

[potent lotus]

they've said that crafting will be rolled out over this month

[bleak tulip]

oh lol

[clear heath]

Just let me refresh the shop with ordo. That way if i do higher diff for more money, i can use that money to get more shop chances

[bleak tulip]

that does seem like a weird licensing thing they fucked up

[worthy wasp]

The only thing I'm curious about is wtf a red would do in darktide

[nocturne stream]

Just max the base stats i suppose or make perks/blessings only roll high

[bleak tulip]

I assume max roll stats, maybe a third perk

unlikely to be a third blessing

[potent lotus]

and you can't play with people on gamepass because microsoft takes a long time to approve patches, not really their fault, makes it hard to have the same version of the game when you do pretty much daily updates and microsoft takes 2 weeks to approve each

[worthy wasp]

Do all the base powers go to 100%? Or is there still an "off stat" or 2 thatd be lower than the rest?

[bleak tulip]

I would guess so

all 100

[nocturne stream]

but i doubt it since they do all these changes, they don't want you to have perfect items by just getting a red i presume

[bleak tulip]

thats sort of how VT worked

[worthy wasp]

Idk if its all 100 tho

[bleak tulip]

considering the rolls were maxed

[prime atlas]

I had an idea for the shop, what if they added tabs for the different types of weapons. One for ranged, one for melee, and one for curios. With the same AMOUNT of items as it currently has, but dedicated tabs to each. Would allow for a more even gradient of item levels in each category as well

[bleak tulip]

thats why I assume reds are later

[clear heath]

imagine if it's just a +20% all the bars, meaning you'd still have to get 80% on everything if you want maxed gear

[potent lotus]

I hope they do reds like vermintide with it just giving you max rolls on everything

[gloomy beacon]

I hope it doesnt take 2 weeks.... gamepass lacks quite alot of quility of life updates

game pass feeels like the closed beta tbh

[bleak tulip]

I dont know how they would distribute the reds, shop would feel terrible for it and melk wouldnt be much better

[potent lotus]

so does steam

[bleak tulip]

so I hope they change shit

[worthy wasp]

Nah, I bet its gonna cost a ton of mats. And its gonna be the same mats we use already

[gloomy beacon]

Fair, but gamepass has no numbers anywhere... you just gotta guess.

[orchid dirge]

for us vt players its no problem but i bet a lot of players who tried the game maxed out a 30 char and left pretty disappointed

[potent lotus]

it's up to microsoft so who knows

[bleak tulip]

well in that case good thing I only use one weapon in either slot

[nocturne stream]

I fucking wish but i doubt it sadly with the way they're taking things. Seems more like a shitty mmo/mobile with these stores lol

[marble marten]

One day we will get buffed

[worthy wasp]

Did you play vt2?

[nocturne stream]

Yes 1 and 2

[potent lotus]

fair enough, I do pretty much just play vt2 or drg when I get pissed at the dumb shit in darktide or the constant crashes lol

[nocturne stream]

but they're already very different in terms of items and aqcusition

[worthy wasp]

I dont see DT crafting turning out to be worse than vt2 crafting

And vt2 crafting is good

[nocturne stream]

It already is worse tho

[potent lotus]

not being able to craft a new weapon is already a big downgrade

[nocturne stream]

You cant craft whatever you want for starters

again the rng shit shop

[bleak tulip]

Victor Magnuson, Fatshark's head of design, detailed why the crafting system wasn't ready for launch: it needed a redo.

"We had another crafting system that we realized just wasn't good enough," he said. "So we ripped it out and started over, and created a completely new crafting system which will be much much better. When we took that decision, it was not a happy day in the office. But we felt that we had to do it. And it's going to come, and it's going to come very soon."

reminder that they literally started over

making it more likely itll just be more like vt2

[signal jasper]

Hello guys, what weapons do you recommand for a fun gameplay ? Darkvoid is nice but lack of fun, same for force sword

[potent lotus]

and idk about you lot but my rng shop has been shit so far, I've gotten about 3 force swords in about 30 hours of gameplay

[lethal plover]

Darkvoid?

[prime atlas]

Didnt they also state that they werent going to add crafting new weapons as well tho?

[signal jasper]

void staff sorry

[raw breach]

Wait, holy shit... i just realized that in DT since there's no reason to get grims, +1 wound on a curio is like +1 life, or the equivalent of your base health pool

[worthy wasp]

Instead of getting a bunch of random crap from missions and flooding inventory only to be salvaged 99.9% of the time... they just give you the gold/mats to do w/e you want with. They cut out the middleman. Sure, rng shop is ass... but considering VT2 progression once you get a high bp item then thats p much gg. And there'll likely be more ways added to craft the weap your looking for

[potent lotus]

Hedge did yea

[nocturne stream]

didn't fit the "lore" lul

[potent lotus]

wound doesn't add hp, just makes the segments smaller

[lethal plover]

Mk 5 combat axe is fun

[prime atlas]

how does it not fit the lore, there's literally a techpriest on board the ship

[bleak tulip]

like I can kinda see where that came from but its still kinda stupid

lore wise

[potent lotus]

I'd mind the rng shop a lot less if they just let us craft a new weapon instead of having to rely on the shop to get a good base stat

[nocturne stream]

at least those trash items could be used to create the items i want. What do i get now? Gold which is essentially useless because the items i want in the store is either wrong or has bad stats. They did not remove a middleman. They added another one

[potent lotus]

and being able to craft weapons even if it didn't fit the lore is such a small thing that would improve gameplay I really don't give a shit, not like it fit the lore in vermintide either

[nocturne stream]

Yeah but a prison man with a literal power weapon is lore accurate lul

[tawny maple]

Or just add an ability to purchase max rating white weapon of any kind from a separate shop tab or smth

[clear heath]

If we can't craft stuff because of "lore", why can't the shop just function identically to crafting? Just let us order the weapon type we want

Lore isn't an excuse here

[potent lotus]

that'd be cool with me too

[long stratus]

I can see where crafting a new weapon from scratch wouldn’t fit the lore. But what about just ordering/requisitioning a specific weapon?

[fierce hazel]

Where did you grab this from? I think I would like to see more if it's there

[bleak tulip]

I really kind of hope they just forget about the store and give us the old loot system back lol

[bleak tulip]

https://www.pcgamer.com/darktides-crafting-system-isnt-quite-ready-because-fatshark-ripped-it-out-and-started-over-mid-development/

[lethal plover]

That's the store. You accept what it has or don't get anything, because you're a lowly initiate

[fierce hazel]

Thanks boss

[potent lotus]

I hate the shop cause it's time gated rng that makes you check in on it even if you don't feel like playing the game if you want a good weapon, being able to just buy a high base rating white weapon would solve like 90% of my problems with it

could have it so the weapon is like 3 times the usual price and I'd still like it

[prime atlas]

being able to purchase a max stat weapon defeats the end game purpose of searching for a "perfect" weapon tho. I could see adding in a "I want this item" option and having it roll those types of items until changed tho

[nocturne stream]

a lowly initiate running around with power weapons sure

[long stratus]

Or just gate it behind level 30 where they “trust” you

[prime atlas]

not saying searching for 100hrs is a good mechanic tho

[potent lotus]

that end game purpose is already fucked because if you have saved up money the only way to get a good weapon is checking on the shop once an hour without even having to play the game

[bleak tulip]

this is a likely answer in my book, they artificially inject longevity by making it all very roll dependant, but unfortunately in one of the dumbest ways possible, maybe because they literally came up with this shit on the fly in the last year

[tawny maple]

Well, they also said that some missions would be a gear hunt you'd go on for a specific weapon. Yet it isn't there, soo...
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to go through a mission with specific conditions and all that difficulty increase for it. We just need an actual way of getting weapon with max stats/stats we want and not have to rely on rng

[prime atlas]

Dont get me wrong, Ive played over 50 hrs, and only been able to get my hands on 2 low level staffs through the level grind, and 3 force swords. Last one I got was level 23. I havent even SEEN another one since then

[bleak tulip]

which is why I assume and hope that its all gonna change pretty dramatically at some point, VT wasnt a stranger to big core changes like that either

[potent lotus]

past level 30 the only reason to play more missions(progression wise) is to get crafting materials to upgrade a weapon if you roll good base stats, otherwise you might as well just make another character and switch to your main to see the shop once an hour

[nocturne stream]

They could literally do it by not having the reds from VT. No guaranteed rolls means you can't get the perfect weapon easily. Timegating it is easily the worst shit

[bleak tulip]

I mean who knows we might literally never get reds, its all speculation anyway

[fierce hazel]

Thanks for the link, very informative!

[bleak tulip]

for all we know the softcap is 80 because we gotta buff our shit later with crafting or something

[nocturne stream]

We will get higher tiers for sure because why else stop at 80. It might be red whatever but my point is that if they don't make them act like vt where they always max roll then you have to reroll until it's perfect. This adds longevity in a way that is way less cancerous than the shops do now.

[prime atlas]

Idea, what if they did a type of event, like the endless hoards modifier, but instead it had a chance to drop high level gear. But those missions only pop up on difficulty 5 missions? It would be a challenge to complete it, but you'd have a guaranteed drop of an item no matter what?

[potent lotus]

add a mechanic where I have to beg mommy Hadron to order me a good rating surge staff

[bleak tulip]

certainly possible

just dont know how theyll inject reds

because selling them on the store is absolutely ass

[clear heath]

I bet it's just random drops, but with higher difficulties giving better chances

[bleak tulip]

I would hope they are gonna be bound to higher difficulties, since those desperately need a reward that isnt dogwater

[potent lotus]

I sure fuckin hope not cause I don't need 20 red lasguns on psyker

[nocturne stream]

Money needs a use, experience needs a use

why should i take tomes and grims if its not my weekly lul

[bleak tulip]

trade 5 red lasguns for 1 red staff

[potent lotus]

that'd be a good step forward

[prime atlas]

Also, unsure if its a thing or not, but it should be, Doing additional objectives should dramatically increase the chance of an emperor item drop.

[clear heath]

That's basically vermintide 2

[potent lotus]

rather have that than just pure rng

[orchid dirge]

also grims give way to little in exchange of the risk you are taking

[bleak tulip]

thats how you know its not happening

[leaden needle]

you're going to take emperors gifts and like or else

[potent lotus]

yea, I liked that in vt2 lol

[potent lotus]

I'm gonna sell it for 2k money I don't need

[leaden needle]

heretic

[potent lotus]

fuck the corpse emperor

[sturdy cypress]

If i get 45% block cost reduction with stam recovery across my Force sword and curios would that be considered BIS?

[near wyvern]

I dunno why you like mk V axe so much, I prefer the duelling sword. The mobility is so good.

[bleak tulip]

also I think nobody has a clue how emperor's gift is calculated

it sure as shit isnt bonus objectives

[nocturne stream]

Yes and it's a system that encourages risk/reward. Why would i take scriptures now if i dont have the weekly?

[bleak tulip]

the best shit I got from emperor was during bread and butter malice warm up runs

[tacit fractal]

Rannick would like to talk with you in the office

[orchid dirge]

Math.Random(x,y) lmao

[potent lotus]

I hope they add some reward for bosses so they don't just feel like an annoying roadblock

[prime atlas]

One thing I liked about VT2 item drops, is at least it was extremely transparent on your item drop/quality chance

[nocturne stream]

Emperor homie gave me a 380 lasgun on my vet. He's my boo now

[potent lotus]

fine but I'm bringing the staff

[bleak tulip]

5000 bucks

wait its not even 5000 lmfao

its less

[clear heath]

give me back loot dice

[tacit fractal]

He has a Blank with him

[potent lotus]

I'm taking the lasgun the corpse emperor gave me then

[potent lotus]

fr, idk why they didn't think of that or at least bonus xp/money

[nocturne stream]

Oh shit remember to check the store now guys! :^)

[prime atlas]

yeah, the demon boss is completely pointless at the moment, considering you can 99% of the time completely avoid it, and fighting it is actually pointless

[potent lotus]

iirc vt2 didn't have loot dice from bosses either at release and they added it because community didn't like it feeling like a waste of time

[orchid dirge]

fuck em im playing other things

[potent lotus]

the demonhost's only use is to get into a premade with 3 shield ogryns and let them bodyblock it as you brain burst for the psyker achiv

[prime atlas]

🤔 good idea

[nocturne stream]

"waste of time" when they literally died in a millisecond with all the early broken careers

[bleak tulip]

at work

[worthy wasp]

bruh speaking of lasgun

[bleak tulip]

im only half joking about wanting a store app, my brain is broken

[tacit fractal]

daemonhost is absolute horror when the ogryn wasn't the one who woke it

[potent lotus]

depends on the map

[worthy wasp]

I tank em as psyker

[potent lotus]

if you get it in a spot near stairs you can juke it

[worthy wasp]

straight up

[bleak tulip]

demonhost just means I gotta carry for a bit because I am suddenly down two clowns

[worthy wasp]

just my last game I tanked one

[dusk pilot]

Psyker can do the duty of a shield Ogryn

[potent lotus]

jump off, start going up, it tps to you and jump off again, repeat until your team hopefully kills it

[worthy wasp]

there was a dude raging in voice comms

[nocturne stream]

If you have the deflection feat then yeah it's free

[potent lotus]

but so far the only time I've seen a demon host awaken was because some dumbass decided to shoot it instead of just walking the other way

[bleak tulip]

you can also just keep dodging with force sword and it can never catch you outside of corners

[potent lotus]

I pretty much say "turn flashlight off and don't go there" the moment I see a demonhost in hopes the trigger happy veterans listen

[dusk pilot]

sharpshooter who's clearly a high level shoots daemonhost

why'd ya have to go do that shooty

[potent lotus]

it's always veterans too

[bleak tulip]

when demonhost came out it wasnt nearly as hard to kill as now, it was neat

during dark out

[potent lotus]

stg they click F and then just point at anything that lights up without looking at what it is

[worthy wasp]

"DONT pull the Daemonhost!!"

"Guys, dont go over there you might pull the Daemonhost!"

some other dude "but theres a scripture that spawns in the area he is"
"DONT DO IT its not worth it!"
me "I'm going in dry"

pulls boss
"OH MY GOD!!!!! NOOOO"

[dusk pilot]

I haven't seen a dark out modified mission since they appeared that one day

[nocturne stream]

I've only seen zealots bum rush the thing with their ult. I suppose they're light sensitive and reacts to the pings/outlines on instinct

[dusk pilot]

:(

[potent lotus]

best they do it for a grim and then die while holding it

[prime atlas]

I had the demon host get woken up by a trapper ripping a teammate into it. It was posted up 50m from a health station, and out shield ogryn at 10hp decided to run off instead of using the station because he was scared it was gonna aggo. And when it did, he just kept running off

[dusk pilot]

And I only JUST recently saw another fog modifier for a mission a few days ago

[bleak tulip]

but we sure got "darkout at home" aka vent purge

the same but much worse in every way

[potent lotus]

their love for the carrion god blinds their reasoning sibling

[worthy wasp]

idk man as long as team isnt a bunch of braindead plebs and can do half decent dps then daemonhosts arent a problem for psykers to tank

[dusk pilot]

ye darkout makes it atmospheric, the fog just makes it annoying

[potent lotus]

the problem is that so far every time I've seen it wake up it was a veteran that proceeded to die while doing their 5 hour long bolter reload

[carmine siren]

you survive matt daemonhosts pretty long just running around

[prime atlas]

Ngl, i started a fog mission thinking it was darkness, because i thought it would be fun... instead it was just annoying as hell

[worthy wasp]

"WHY GOD WHY would you pull it WHYYYY"

"YOU NOOBBBBBB"

lol

then it dies

[carmine siren]

i triggered one by accident and just kept climbing stairs and jumping off the ledge and we killed it without casualty

[worthy wasp]

and I always just say "ez"

[bleak tulip]

imagine there being a reward for killing it tho

[worthy wasp]

it counts as a monstrosity for my weeklies so fk it

[prime atlas]

My favorite thing, is when you do a T4 mission, with enless hoard modifier and grims.. and some level 6 dude, thinking hes gonna get all the levels grabs the grims

[potent lotus]

it's not hard to kill if you have the items to tank it or there's stairs nearby but every time I've had it pulled it was by someone without either the items or knowledge that you can juke it that then proceeded to quickly die instead of just crouching and going in one of the other ways to get to the mission

[bleak tulip]

like in some kind of post mission screen where you see all the modifiers for some kind of tangible reward that isn't more useless money

[worthy wasp]

I'm pullin the fkr and establishing my superiority over the other plebs

[potent lotus]

and grims are just a fucking waste of time

if I get a grim weekly I reroll that shit, not worth the hassle

[prime atlas]

same

[potent lotus]

scripts give you shitty rewards too but at least they don't take 66% of the team's health away

[upbeat garnet]

my BB left click keeps restarting the charge time randomly it'll do it 3-4 times anyone else having this? It seems like connection interruptions

[prime atlas]

I like scripts, cause it makes the team search and find more mats

[bleak tulip]

I reroll scriptures too because I can't be added to play a level 2 mission just because there is no other scripture missions available

[glossy hemlock]

question, do you want a staff with a high charge or a low one?

[hot ice]

first sword with deflector ive found

😭

[potent lotus]

you mean the charge time bar? high

[bleak tulip]

keep it for crafting

[upbeat garnet]

Grims wouldn't be an issue if we could actually play the whole game and craft for +curse resist on curios

[worthy wasp]

I'll do grims or scrips, but never both in dt.

Because you get a weekly to do 10 grims lets say... that could be 10 games with PUGs

And then you also have a mission to get 25 scrips (which I currently have) and you get 1-3 a game, so likely another 10 games

[hot ice]

i am

[cloud maple]

Which one should I carry, mates?

[glossy hemlock]

yup, and thanks

[potent lotus]

void because trauma sucks sibling

[trail tapir]

Not trauma

[full atlas]

https://gyazo.com/3f86756e8e9b130ca7148bf0bc21b0a2
is this good?

[trail tapir]

Never trauma

[hot ice]

anything but trauma my beloved

[cloud maple]

lol wow okay

[trail tapir]

The name of the staff is accurate insofar as using it leaves the user with acute PTSD

[potent lotus]

trauma is just worse at horde clearing than purg and not good at anything else

[hot ice]

it honestly also just scatters the horde lol

[prime atlas]

😢 I wish I had any staff.. shop hates me and only gives me trash guns

[potent lotus]

have you considered praying to tzeentch to rig the rng

[next obsidian]

I like purge or surge, haven't liked the others even thou void was fun atleast

[cloud maple]

I -love- void

Cos with rando it's basically not worth it

[prime atlas]

I made a veteran character so I can actually play the game while waiting for the shop

[potent lotus]

aye that's the way it goes

[cloud maple]

A lot of work in Heresy only for randos to not have learned how to actually play as a team

[summer prairie]

Just got an emperor's gift after not getting one in probably 40+ missions. Maybe there really is a weekly cap or something

[cloud maple]

I usually just play Malice(3) and people still don't know middle-click marks elites

[potent lotus]

somehow I get level 20+ in malice and then level 8s in heresy

[wispy tangle]

not commenting on balance between trauma/void here, i think the voidstrike one has decently good starting traits and blessing, and the charge rate/warp resist/active quell are all decently high, so i would recommend it over the trauma

[prime atlas]

I had emperor give me a level 420ish orange lazgun on my psyker, and the shop proceeded to give me level 350 items for the next 12 hours

🙂 Thanks shop guy

[potent lotus]

the carrion emperor just hates you sibling, that's why we have to unionize and demand better rng

[next obsidian]

I play malice from 10 and up on all classes and it works out. Did heresy on zealot and even thou its sweaty as heck it works

[cloud maple]

Been carrying the void one for a few levels now, it's done some real work. I wanna find a higher base some day.

[wispy tangle]

it's pretty good, yeah, not bad

[prime atlas]

Question, is the shop item rating based on the average rating of the items you have equipped, or owned, or is it just level based

[wispy tangle]

yeah the voidstrike's got all the QoL stats set up nicely so it should feel about as good as it gets to use, the damage is slightly low, but not so much it's bad or anything, just that it can be improved, either through the additional crafting systems coming or just checking shops as you play

[potent lotus]

I use this, I'd use something else, but the shop hates me

checked shop, half of it is axes, 3 guns and the rest are curios

[cloud maple]

I could afford to gold it but it'd just be a -maximum- of 424 so I won't waste the materials

[dusk pilot]

at this point just wait till crafting comes out

[cloud maple]

Can you increase the rating with crafting? Will that be a thing?

[potent lotus]

I'll probably play till level 30 and then wait for crafting

[gray kelp]

guys crafting comes out soon, just like silksong

[cloud maple]

Yeah my girl is 28, won't be too long now

[young summit]

ew, got 3x dailys for scabs, 2 of them for meelee kills

[gray kelp]

: ^ )

[potent lotus]

they've already said like a week before release that it'll be released over december, there's better things to complain about

[cloud maple]

I do not understand this reference

[prime atlas]

crafting will come out when Half Life 3 comes out

[dusk pilot]

I mean it's been stated that something will be coming this week, I'd hope that it's crafting.

[young summit]

i just want patches on gamepass glares furiously at microsoft

[gray kelp]

I dont really trust that at this point, expecting Q1 2023 personally

[prime atlas]

3 options in crafting terminal are locked, this week, we half unlock one of them

[gloomy beacon]

This... i want numbers!

[rare ingot]

how do i get the black psyker hood and mask?

[potent lotus]

btw do the penance laurels even do anything or is it just there to exist

[gray kelp]

and yeah i agree its not top priority

[young summit]

i can do wihout numbers, jsut give me the crash fixes.

[cloud maple]

Achievement points!

[young summit]

MS really needs to stop treating pc gamepass games like console games.

[gloomy beacon]

and the fix for armour or thoughness

[potent lotus]

so useless, aight

[cloud maple]

Nah flex them to your friends and enemies

[gray kelp]

gamepass doesnt have toughness fix? wow

[young summit]

nope

gamepass is beta patch still ...

also, apparently lacking players ...

[undone badge]

is force sword best melee wep for psyker?

[rare ingot]

anyone wanna help me do cliffhanger penance

[prime atlas]

ah yes, flex them by making them trust that you are actually telling them the true number, since there is no way to see other people's numbers 🙂

[gray kelp]

not best at everything but good generalist

[rare ingot]

depends

[potent lotus]

really gotta actually bother with cliffhanger at this point

[magic hull]

best defend weapon

[cloud maple]

Print Screen -> ctrl+V

[magic hull]

not best melee

[gray kelp]

mk 5 dueling sword/mk 5 axe are popular choices as well

[undone badge]

cos I just found a 375 wep, but it's an axe...

ah I see

[rare ingot]

@potent lotus same xD

[prime atlas]

Photos can be doctored

[gray kelp]

typically you choose melee to compensate for staff choices, e.g. non-force sword have faster passive quelling

[cyan notch]

cuz of the trust level matchmaking there arent a lot at level 30

[wraith wren]

Im stuck on Going Out with a Bang, just like you with Cliffhanger

[gloomy beacon]

wierd i got queues and full matches