psyker-class

[uncut hamlet]

Ogryn chat is a blessing from the emperor

[lost crown]

should i buy/upgrade?

[uncut hamlet]

I think its good, but im not a surge user so im not sure

[night marten]

yes.

[uncut hamlet]

I think you just tap anyway

so charge rate doesnt matter

everything else is fucking exceptional

[normal monolith]

Charge does help oneshot tougher things

but tapping it is more for the cc

[uncut hamlet]

Eh the zealot can deal with that

or BBB

[vivid merlin]

I mean it's a functionally max rolled weapon besides charge rate

[normal monolith]

But yeah thats a GOOD roll

[night marten]

easily one of the best surge staffs I've ever seen

[opaque temple]

charge rate is probably the best thing to roll low on tbh

[lost crown]

[normal monolith]

i’d even call it a godroll almost

[night marten]

maybe different perks, but who cares

[civic tendon]

I got "Less corruption from dogs" perk on a curio I need to keep around. What a dumb perk

[uncut hamlet]

I got less damage from mutants

they dont even slam you most of the time

[night marten]

just gotta be up against a wall. if they don't have room they throw you

[civic tendon]

I have two more chances for higher % health perks on my curios. I like running high wound counts

[normal monolith]

max wounds on me rn

[final kernel]

this achievment i think is worded wrong

[normal monolith]

It used to be 20

[civic tendon]

You're never out of the match but the low health in my current build makes me glassy

[final kernel]

shouldnt they fix it??

[normal monolith]

that’s the steam cheevo but ye

it got lowered to 7

[pine warren]

They didn't update the steam achevios to match the updated ones

[final kernel]

20 would have been fine

would be a challenge atleast

[bright cipher]

Max wounds, suicide bomb hordes and packs of elites

Easy

[vernal frigate]

Do we know if the overloading with surge staff under 97% peril is intentional or a bug?

[pine warren]

SOOOOO many people complained when it was 20

[vernal frigate]

Cause man that shit can be annoying sometimes

[normal monolith]

20 was just insane and only two locations in the whole game were able to be utilized

[night marten]

even 85% will blow you up if you full charge the secondary I think. It's kind of silly

[bright cipher]

Holy shit is that what it is

[final kernel]

but still its supposed to be a hardcore penance

[vernal frigate]

Yeah lmao

[final kernel]

im pretty sure psykers got the easiest penance out of all classes

[bright cipher]

I thought I just couldn't manage surge staff peril

[pine warren]

hahahahah no

[bright cipher]

While doing perfectly fine with void and purg

[vernal frigate]

It’s like 85 or 86% without 6 stacks of BB with the warp resist talent

[normal monolith]

I was trying for days and the most I could knock was 15

[pine warren]

GL with killing a Boss enemy dealing ALL of the damage yourself in a Pub

[normal monolith]

even usung the cheese strat

[final kernel]

idk i got it like so fast

im level 3 pysker

[vernal frigate]

It’s 7 now

[pine warren]

It's literally the first tier of challenges

[vernal frigate]

Used to be 20

[normal monolith]

It’s 7 now, much easier

[final kernel]

:D

[pine warren]

There are much harder challenges

[normal monolith]

it was honestly too hard for first tier

[bright cipher]

And I was thinking to myself why the fuck does it feel like surge staff keeps overloading so quickly after just 3-4 uncharged shots

When u can spam 20 shots of void

[vernal frigate]

90% of monsters health with BB is still premium pain without a 4 stack and good RNG

[orchid otter]

so does the psyker penance require you to headpop a dog in the roughly 1.5 seconds it is actively leaping?

[bright cipher]

Easiest to do with a demonhost and a shield ogryn

[bright cipher]

Yes

[pine warren]

Yeah, you gotta time a pre-charge pop (Hold Right click)

[vernal frigate]

None of my mates will play Ogryn

[normal monolith]

precharge it and wait for a dog to leap

[orchid otter]

So your window is literally shorter than your charge time. So fun

[vernal frigate]

I got that one by accident

[normal monolith]

you can left click pre charge

[vernal frigate]

Just playing

[orchid otter]

Some of the lvl 1 penances are just misery inducing

[normal monolith]

but yeah when you hear the dog

Start charging

who cares if peril hits 100

[orchid otter]

you die....

then no dog pop

[normal monolith]

pop the doggo when it’s leaping and done

nah

[vernal frigate]

Just press ult

[normal monolith]

Ult right after

[silent wave]

the dog one is super easy tbh

i got it without even realizing it was a penance

[pine warren]

You can use F if you're about to explode

[vernal frigate]

You have like 2-3 seconds after you hit 100 peril to use the ult before you go bye bye

[unkempt juniper]

me too tbh

[silent wave]

like probably first match even

[normal monolith]

I often perils myself and just ult out when doing hordes with smite

[pine warren]

If u clutch head due to Peril, press F and not die

[vernal frigate]

Love when you push them mid air and they just fly straight into the ceiling

[tepid nest]

Alt & F4 is the only surefire way to stop a self BB.

[silent wave]

dogs should be a oneshot with BB on all diffs imo

[vernal frigate]

Yea

[silent wave]

flamers too, if vets are great for elites we should be great for specials

[vernal frigate]

Mutants also taking 4+ BB’s on damnation feels so bad

[tepid nest]

But dogs have a tiny brain? Less surface area to damage 🙃

[silent wave]

and we are, up until heresy

[normal monolith]

Anyway, easy for the dog; precharge. When the dog leaps just left click it mid leap and it’ll die.
If you perils ult out of it

[full kindle]

Bruh cliffhanger is really aids

[silent wave]

or blow up anyway like a chad

[pine warren]

Really, a scaling BB is all we really need, doesn't have to scale perfectly with the HP values, but the static 1k dmg is...not good at higher difficulties

[full kindle]

Half my fall kills don’t even count

[normal monolith]

cliffhanger is SO much easier now

[grim bay]

BB taking more than 0 to kill anything is weak, It should be 1 BB kills 5-25 mobs based on PERIL

that fact that i can take damage is also stupid

should just give me loot when i queue

[silent wave]

scaling BB and a bit of a warp charge change would be nice

[normal monolith]

There is the more warp charges takent

[full kindle]

It’s much easier BUT it still doesn’t count the kills half the time

[silent wave]

losing all stacks feels really sad

[normal monolith]

which buffs bb a little

[silent wave]

the buff from warp charges is basically meaningless for BB though

[normal monolith]

Gotta drive

[silent wave]

on heresy the only real breakpoints from maintaining them is on flamers at 5 stacks

[night marten]

god this is too good https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zbs26n/teammate_holding_a_grimoire_gets_fucking_domed_by/

[silent wave]

even at 6 though you lose dogs and ragers as oneshots

[full kindle]

What’s the best staff in everyone’s opinion?

[silent wave]

probably surge or void

surge boring though

[full kindle]

Yea, didn’t Purgatus get nerfed?

[silent wave]

no, just visual afaik

makes it easier to see but same radius

[full kindle]

Oh everyone I’ve asked about it was like “IT GOT NERFED SO HARD”

[snow herald]

Apparently brainbursting on 97% is no longer a thing.

[silent wave]

should be

[pine warren]

Mental nerf, the weakness of a Psyker

[silent wave]

unless they broke something

[night marten]

96% has been safe today

[snow herald]

just exploded twice doing it at like 85

[full kindle]

LMAO true

[full kindle]

Wouldn’t shock me for FS

[silent wave]

lmao

toughness bug moment

[snow herald]

hm went to training ground and not dying at 96.... must have been a buggy round or something

[full kindle]

Time to go for cliffhanger again let’s goooo

Jk game crashed

Honestly

https://youtu.be/8cU_jq3IAis

Pretty great strat

[frigid frigate]

Fuck this game

[silent wave]

might be latency based

[silent wave]

can you dismantle anything for ordo?

[frigid frigate]

nope im clean dry; the real kicker is ive been waiting for a purgatus staff forever

[silent wave]

sadge

for what it's worth at least it's not a good long term roll lol

[frigid frigate]

6+ crit and warp nexus is pretty good but stat wise it is lacking a bit yes

[runic gate]

Opinion? Worth upgrading? 20% on unyielding and unarmored is solid for killing loose mobs

[silent wave]

low stat total overall but probably not bad

idk how much cleave targets matters for axes

thrust is a pretty bad blessing as well but eventually you'd be able to replace it

[molten kindle]

anyone know the best stats/ perks/ blessings for a purgatus staff? it's my favourite staff to use but not exactly sure what i should be looking out for :)

[runic gate]

Got this too.

[silent wave]

idk anything about tactical axes

i think the MK2 is the best one though from what I've heard

[pine warren]

Mk 7's not bad, but I prefer Mk2

Mk7's Heavies are Side -> Overhead (Use Push -> Heavy in hordes)

Mk2's are Side -> Side, and can be chained real easily, good for hordes

[hot surge]

MkV is the goat

[pine warren]

MkV is all single target with good push attacks in hordes

[hot surge]

spam block shove attacks

[mystic burrow]

is essence harvest that bad on void staff? I generally played with it and it felt really powerful to me, also is BB that useless? I haven't done heresy yet but I use it constantly to take out elites and stuff ..🤔

[hot surge]

also, I just had a unavoidable daemon on heresy and tried to sneak past but i triggered it

TIL I can tank a daemon for 60 seconds while the team kilsl it

thank GOD for kinetic deflection

[silent wave]

BB falls off hard on heresy+

a lot of things start taking two BBs to kill

[sand belfry]

just BB snipers and the weaker specialists

[pine warren]

Basically, since BB does a static 1k dmg, elites start taking multiple BBs to pop

[silent wave]

which is a huge time commitment on some pretty scary targets like dogs and ragers

[hot surge]

and with 1/3 in 3rd and 5th perk tier you get better access to charges

[silent wave]

it's just a shame those are the only ways to get more charges

[candid temple]

every time you kill someone with BB, consider whether you could'nt have killed it faster with (two) left-clicks or void rail?

[silent wave]

i kind of hate flayer as it just procs on trash most of the time

[digital pagoda]

That's the whole thing, BB is amazing before heresy and damnation

[sand belfry]

free charges

[hot surge]

I mean you're fishing for it to get the charge, the bb is the bonus

[silent wave]

yeah the charges are nice but ehh

charges already feel kind of pointless anyway

[candid temple]

charges at how much peril cost?

also stick with team, kill stuff, 4stack easy.

[mystic burrow]

Damn wish I didn't get so comfortable with it 😄 it's a bit difficult to stop using it.
I think I'll go for a surge staff instead of void even tho I enjoy the void staff more

[sand belfry]

surge staff is better but void is more fun imo

[silent wave]

yeah

surge boring

[candid temple]

I mean, if you enjoy BB'ing, BB away.

[sand belfry]

other two staffs feel horrible to use honestly

[pine warren]

If you can fit it into your playstyle at higher difficulties don't let others tell you otherwise

[candid temple]

well, trauma should be 2x cheaper in peril and like 2-3x faster in charging speed.

[sand belfry]

playing optimal is boring yes

[mystic burrow]

Exactly

[candid temple]

Purgatus is like... just play zealot.

[mystic burrow]

but the sound effect for it is really cool 🙂

[silent wave]

purge is coolest imo

also like second worst lol

[pine topaz]

need to test surge staff animation cancelling... just as you shoot lightning you double Q, or you can sprint to cancel animation. Wonder if it does the full amount of damage?

[ornate hamlet]

Does charging your secondary on your staff longer do more damage? If so, what's the scale?

[proud hare]

thoughts? the mobility is a lil low but wdy think

[silent wave]

revolver is generally pretty bad

mobility is probably one of the better dump stats though

[pine warren]

Fun, but not something I'd invest in. Mobility is fine but on a gun it's honestly not as impactful as getting an extra dodge on a melee via Mobility

[bold maple]

dear diary, there isn't a single staff or force sword in the shop again today

[proud hare]

story of my life

[pine warren]

The shop servitor hates you, and all of us. Specifically

[ornate hamlet]

I have a lot of fun playing Psyker Commando (Gun and Sword) I have all the staves, but playing commando is so much fun, especially with this piece...

[bold maple]

good for you

[ruby sorrel]

why dnt u just play veteran then ?))

[candid temple]

I thought I was unlucky since all my voidstaff and force swords in the store have been 🚮.
but none at all... hang in there.

[ruby sorrel]

or zealot xD

[ornate hamlet]

Because I like the 15second cd of each bullet having a 10% chance to brainburst target

[cobalt tartan]

if i like using rapier to take care of hordes, what staff is recommended to deal with elites? shocky is pretty boring, does fire staff do anything to them?

[candid temple]

Void or Surge.

[bold maple]

you also use rapier to deal with elites dur

rapier is love, rapier is life

unless it’s bulwark, then you use your terrible BB on it

[cobalt tartan]

true can i just not equip a secondary

[candid temple]

Force Weapon gang gang.

[candid temple]

can I equip two force swords instead of a secondary?

[ornate hamlet]

You say that, but you haven't tried this:

[cobalt tartan]

why deflect when you can just dodge

[bold maple]

cringe force sword user

[silent wave]

so cancelling the surge charge causes the final burst to trigger quicker

[bold maple]

dodge toward ranged enemies stylishly and decapitate them

[ornate hamlet]

You've said nothing positive, your opinion is meaningless.

[bold maple]

blocking is for wuss

[pine topaz]

so it looks like surge staff... animation cancelling still gives the "full" damage but it doesn't stun

at least, it doesn't stun the elites

[silent wave]

same damage, but you lose a few of the ticks leading up to it

[cobalt tartan]

they cant shoot me when i dodge at mach-3 towards them

[silent wave]

also yeah, probably worse stun

[torn bison]

anyone have any tips for getting the kill a monstrosity with brain pops challenge

[candid temple]

get friends

[silent wave]

since you aren't holding it on them

[cobalt tartan]

daemonhost, 3 friends, and a shield ogryn

[ornate hamlet]

Advertise for party

[spiral remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-mexican-cat-mexican-cat-mexcian-cat-pain-gif-26241142

pain

me sitting in the shop for 5 hours

waiting for good rating weapons

[torn bison]

IK they spawn a lot on light out modifiers, any other maps they seem to show up on consistently?

[candid temple]

what if you play games between the waiting?

[pine warren]

Semi-randomly otherwise

[candid temple]

like vampire survivors or something

[cobalt tartan]

nah just get lucky i dont tihnk so

[spiral remnant]

😭 i dont want to tho

[bold maple]

nah I dont play this dog game after weekly

[silent wave]

so higher dps with surge staff to animation cancel but much worse stun

[bold maple]

there’s no crafting or endgame anyway

[blissful flicker]

blue sienna

[candid temple]

pre-farm all the plasteel and dimandine

[ornate hamlet]

Did FatShark say they were going to fix the toughness bleedthrough?

[candid temple]

it's fixed already

[silent wave]

they already changed it

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

blink Huh.

[silent wave]

you take no chip damage at full toughness now

[torn bison]

max hp curios are better than toughness for psyker yeah?

[silent wave]

you still take some but it's percentage based on your total toughness i believe

[bold maple]

you want 1 toughness curio so you can take 2 trash mob hit and 0 hp dmg

[pine warren]

imo, at least one of each

[torn bison]

cool ty

[bold maple]

1 hp 1 tough 1 wound

[silent wave]

no wounds

[ornate hamlet]

Unless you want to get the no dmg achieve

[silent wave]

be a chad

just don't get downed

[pine warren]

Just don't go down 4Head

[silent wave]

exactly

it worked in VT2

[spiral remnant]

only got 2 wounds and 260 hp as a psyker

[pine warren]

Toughness in general is still a good thing to buff even if it's % based bleedthrough, as damage is static while recovery is % based

[spiral remnant]

im so smart

[silent wave]

yeah extra toughness for better regen is a good idea

especially for something like the regen on charge gain

[pine warren]

Extra toughness means slightly more resistance to melee, more shots from ranged ect. before it starts hurting bad

[opaque temple]

isn't that a bug?

I'm still confused on how toughness is supposed to/not supposed to work

[uncut hamlet]

No

[pine warren]

No? All Toughness recovery is on a % basis

[uncut hamlet]

100% toughness, 0% bleedthrough

75% toughness, 25% bleedthrough

etc

[pine warren]

50% Toughness -> 50% bleedthrough

[uncut hamlet]

for every % of toughness missing, you get an equal % of bleedthrough from melee

[opaque temple]

oh, that makes it nice and clear ty

[silent wave]

toughness also negates all ranged damage as well as ranged stuns

[pine warren]

^^ Extra time to eat some las to the gut before you get in cover

[lilac fox]

Anyone got the purgatus build to work? Tried it twice and it just seems lackluster compared to surge

[uncut hamlet]

yea i almost always use purgatus

surge can stun 4-5

purgatus can stun and kill an entire horde while gaining warp charges

[opaque temple]

purgatus is for big hordes, surge is for groups of specials no?

[uncut hamlet]

it only fails against ogryns and muties

[uncut hamlet]

basically yea

[river sand]

sure can do pretty good damage if you cancel animation

*surge

[lilac fox]

Yeah and poxbursters, and maybe gunners

[pine topaz]

yeah just finished malice with animation cancelling surge staff

i think it's better than purge staff like this

hold animation for elite stun

[uncut hamlet]

pox i dont really have trouble against

I just push or ult

[pine topaz]

for everytthing else, animation surge cancel til 93 % then melee

[lilac fox]

I thought the whole point of purgatus aside from the horde killing was to try and overstack so that you get soulblaze procs on the elites?

[pine topaz]

there's a lot of fast fingers though 🙂

[candid temple]

melee? why not quell?

[uncut hamlet]

Nah I go battery

[opaque temple]

I've heard about this. do you know how it's done?

[uncut hamlet]

I personally dont like the soulblaze one

[sonic plaza]

How doeso one do animation cancel on surge

[uncut hamlet]

I go ascendent blaze instead

[pine topaz]

press q twice when lightning leaves fingers

the moment lightning starts, double q

OR you can sprint forward

the damage still hits, on horde it will still stun

but it will not stun elites

[uncut hamlet]

ult takes out any chaff it hits, then im free to BB remaining guys, or more likely, my team takes care of the tougher ones

[opaque temple]

big thankies

[lilac fox]

Idk, I can see purgatus working but it's extremely reliant on your teammates to fill gaps

Can't see it working well outside a premade

[uncut hamlet]

I've saved runs as purge on heresy/damnation

[opaque temple]

good for dumping damage on a horde but you need an opportunity

[pine topaz]

you shoot faster and build peril faster than standard lightning animation... if you run quietude and pysk wrath you will clear hordes easily

[uncut hamlet]

the left click stuns chaff faster than surge

[opaque temple]

the left click is underappreciated

[uncut hamlet]

fr

I can stun everyone around a target and pick up before they shake off the cc

[lilac fox]

If a mutant, trapper, heavy gunner, or sniper come after you you're pretty screwed though, no?

[pine topaz]

pretty sure they're gonna nerf the surge staff when everyone starts animation cancelling 🙂

[candid temple]

purgatus suffers from "why don't you just play flamer zealot" =/

[uncut hamlet]

trapper gets stunned, mutant you can hear from a mile away, I can do a quick ult into BB for sniper

plus ive gotten good at dodging them

[candid temple]

even with animation cancelling, surge isn't that high dps

[opaque temple]

because then we can a flamer zealot and stack TWO KINDS OF FIRE ON THE HERETICS

[uncut hamlet]

range, ammo, instant horde knockdown with ult

[uncut hamlet]

and this

[vague roost]

Brave to assume I am not anti empire

[lilac fox]

trapper range is further than the basic attack, mutant will eventually get you, and BB'ing a sniper during a horde when solo is just asking to die

[orchid otter]

Which is the good lasgun?

[uncut hamlet]

You realise we're all inquisition acolytes of the mourningstar

[uncut hamlet]

XII

[dawn orchid]

What are the important stats for the burn staff (purgatus)?

[orchid otter]

burn

also probably quell speed

and burn

[round charm]

was this the "good" axe?

[dawn orchid]

Does the normal damage stat affect the burn at all?

[idle bay]

Siblings! I figured out why Psykers get shafted so hard. Fatshark love Nurgle, Nurgle hates psykers. As simple as that 🙂

[orchid otter]

actually don't know how the burn damage is calculated

[uncut hamlet]

im almost always using alt fire during hordes. if its a lone trapper ill just BB. Mutie will not eventually get me since they get targeted fast. As I said, ult then BB the sniper. Even stunning everyone around me into a BB works as long as I dodge back. I would know, ive done it multiple times. In addition, youre taking this with a solo approach when its a team game

You have to assume basic competence from your team or your run is doomed anyway

[pine warren]

It's the Single Target focused one, use push attacks and dodges on hordes

[opaque temple]

as always, the answer is heresy

[errant stream]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[lilac fox]

So you're relying on your team to cover all that then is what you mean?

[uncut hamlet]

no argument matters in a pure solo scenario because you will lose no matter what class or build you go

[formal osprey]

67 hours in on my pysker, highest force sword so far... 315

[uncut hamlet]

No, I'm not sure if you read the entire first half of my paragraph, but I explain how I deal with each scenario

[round charm]

what was the good duelling sword?

[uncut hamlet]

with the exception of mutie

[formal osprey]

Mark 5 is single target

[candid temple]

my problem with purgatus is that void can do hordes better, as long as your positioning isn't shit.

[crude cape]

Hey psykers - what curios do you guys like to run? I can't decide whats good, i feel like we get bad use out of HP% and toughness% because of low base stats. Is just running double wounds + stamina viable? thoughts?

[uncut hamlet]

I do usually rely on team for it, but a quick charged force sword works too

[candid temple]

and void can do a lot of other things.

[uncut hamlet]

It can kill hordes better. I like the CC

[lilac fox]

You were saying you can save heretic/damnation solo with a purgatus, i just don't see how

[candid temple]

void also cc's tho?

[silent wave]

void ccs a lot though

[formal osprey]

Dont try and convince these people about the purgatus. Ive been shouted down three times so far for saying its just worse than any other option.

[uncut hamlet]

Team is down yea? Cc the entire horde around you and pick up

[idle bay]

+1 wound and x2 +% HP , with corruption resistance if possible.

[round charm]

im looking ideally for a weapon i can solo a horde with while also not getting ripd to the berserker dudes

[silent wave]

it knocks a ton of enemies on the ground with the blasts

[errant stream]

tbh i use 2 toughness and 1 wound, toughness is always good, you need protection mainly against ranged attacks. to defend against melee dodge dance and block

[uncut hamlet]

It railguns through heads. but purge has wider aoe and a lingering cc

void likely better overall, but purge cc is stronger

[pine warren]

Half charge detonates on impact

[lilac fox]

But in that situation on that difficulty I don't know what the special caps are but I think it's something like 5-7. If any ONE of the previously named specials are up, you're likely dead

[uncut hamlet]

it does yea, but again purge goes through it all

[crude cape]

no stamina? I find the low base stamina values so punishing.
im running this right now and ya, feel like im not getting much use from 14% toughness

[lilac fox]

Only shot is if they're all ragers or something

[uncut hamlet]

one? nah trapper runs after a single shot, sniper can be dealt with

[errant stream]

use kinetic deflection

[uncut hamlet]

mutie is tough because theyre tanky

I just hope I can kite enough to kill it with a mutie

[idle bay]

I'm using Peril for stamina on block feat - so i don't really need Stamina

[uncut hamlet]

but even then, if you have

6-7 specials

[silent wave]

unfortunately at 100 toughness it's gonna feel kind of mediocre to take extra

[uncut hamlet]

even if youre vet or zealot

youre likely dead

[silent wave]

still probably worthwhile though

[crude cape]

i have actually never seen one with corruption resistance yet, just rng i guess

[uncut hamlet]

I don't see the point of explaining what would happen with 6-7 specials when the answer for everyone is die

[candid temple]

you don't run force sword?

[idle bay]

i wasted couple of thousands adamatum to roll Corruption resistance on +1 Wound curio and still not done it... kraking RNG....

[river sand]

void is only good for very tightly grouped enemies. or when the horde runs straight to you. but to be honest horde is not the problem just melee them or let the flamer zealot handle it. go to the testrange take out a group with void and then with surge, surge will be faster cause you hit a max of three targets per shot if they are scattered like this

[lilac fox]

Just saying that with a surge or even a voidstrike I'd feel like I have way more of a chance than with purgatus. Like you said, the basic attack doesn't have enough range so it's uselss. So in a situation where there are specials on you PLUS horde you're pretty screwed since you are reliant on the charge fire

[uncut hamlet]

as purge i cc all the chaff around an ally, BB the specials that matter around them, then pick

[crude cape]

usually duelist sword. but just tonight i got a forcesword with Deflecter on it the first time and tried it combo'd with peril blockign and its pretty good, i was a hater until than lol

[candid temple]

max blast radius & better positioning = void deals with hordes extremely well.

[crude cape]

duelist sword just felt so much crisper

[uncut hamlet]

basic is good for quick cc. The lack of range doesnt matter because youre not using a left click against specals regardless of who it is

[candid temple]

duelist sword is fine if you liked rapier gameplay

[uncut hamlet]

as surge, you're telling me youre gonna chain through 20+ poxwalkers to hit that sniper in the back? or hold the surge long enough to stun the mutie?

[lilac fox]

I guess I am just confused because you're saying it's capable of doing it at first, but then when we discuss specifics you say it's not

[uncut hamlet]

while the chaff are hitting you?

[uncut hamlet]

its capable of stunning chaff

very quickly

which is what i use it for

[candid temple]

but force sword special is obscene for deleting most things in one or two (heavy) specials

[river sand]

void isnt bad, but the dangerous situations are for example 4 gunners in front of you each a few meters apart. void will take ages for them. surge can hit em all at once

[bleak sonnet]

force sword is bad

[uncut hamlet]

Trappers can be ignored sometimes during clutches regardless because they run away after a net

[river sand]

and band blast radius is irrelevant cause the blast doenst do any damage

[cedar blade]

any pysker not shooting aoe lighting and burning entire rooms needs to unsintall

[uncut hamlet]

Most clutches are chaff with a couple specials and not a dozen specials

i can pop off a few left clicks and pick up

[lilac fox]

So you don't use any of the soulblaze stuff and just maximize the purgatus horde spam?

[river sand]

check the values, full charged hit from void - direct hit like 500 dmg the blast is like 20

[candid temple]

🤔

[uncut hamlet]

I can see why theyd be useful and how

I just don't like them personally because I like 6 warp charges

its likely not optimal, just preference

[cedar blade]

pskers do this build or unsintall, thanks from everyone else https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2tv0fn1v8U

[river sand]

purg is great for hordes. but i hate to be so limited against ranged targets

[uncut hamlet]

I pop the 6 charges on ascendent blaze

wipes out entire screens of enemies

and I get all 6 back from the soulblaze

[uncut hamlet]

The range is limiting for sure, many times I've found myself dodging in and out of cover to BB down lotsa range

[raw breach]

There's an argument for Purgatus. The argument is "Does your group have a Zealot with Flamer or is that your job for the run?"

[lilac fox]

wouldn't you think that on paper anyways, ascendant blaze and kinetic overload should loop into each other?

[uncut hamlet]

thankfully on heresy damnation the vet is normally good enough to deal with ranged mobs

[river sand]

true

[mystic burrow]

My god the void staff's explosion sounds so good when to throw it into a horde

[raw breach]

If your group is lacking horde clear, Purg is totally viable. I'll stand behind it all day for that role

[river sand]

i was hoping sooooo much for a surge staff with crit on peril and blazing spirit perk. upped like 5 to orange till i noticed they removed the ability for surge to get blazing spirit .....

[bleak sonnet]

recon lasgun

[formal osprey]

I dont think hes interpretting the lvl 30 ability wording correctly

[uncut hamlet]

yes, I already said warp battery is likely suboptimal and I run it because I like it. I use kinetic shield and peril resistance, and I find the extra charges gives me a nice boost of survivability and flexibility with the larger amount of abilities I can use from less peril gain

[rare mist]

Any advice on getting the 5 minute max warp penance?

[lilac fox]

I just run into groups from diff 2-4 that are unable to handle specials, so if I have a purgatus we are just screwed

[uncut hamlet]

Play with communion and flayer on heresy or damnation

the hordes are so big youll get it without trying to

[lilac fox]

Just asking because I hadn't gotten a good chance for it to work yet so was curious if anyone else had gotten it to loop back for a refund

[raw breach]

Get to level 30, take the Ascending Blaze talent, run a mission that takes 5+ mins with a Purgatus staff

[rare mist]

Thanks guys!

[mystic burrow]

join malice, use bb from start to finish till you get it, that's how I got it at least

[silent wave]

if you're gun psykering play vet tbh

[rare mist]

I'll keep that all in mind

[uncut hamlet]

I havent gotten the soulfire charges high enough on an elite to matter yet, and as purge I relegate tough elites to either team or BB regardless

[silent wave]

even with the BB chance from flayer it's just worse than a staff

[uncut hamlet]

Ill try it in meat grinder one day

[bleak sonnet]

i think a gun has its place in certain comps

definitely kills shit a lot faster than a staff

[uncut hamlet]

I find in diff 4/5 people are a lot better at dodging specials that can be dodged too, which helps

[stuck bridge]

https://i.imgur.com/8TE8T55.png

how horrible is this

because i am not smiling

[uncut hamlet]

Maybe, but I played a space wizard to use magic, not to shoot a gun

[teal needle]

The big problem with purgatus is that void just kills hordes way faster at any distance while also offering a surprising good way to participate in firefights

[raw breach]

BB Gun build with Accatran II is really strong, the only thing it's lacking is a Force Staff so I can do space magic

[uncut hamlet]

mediocre, could be a lot worse

the perks and blessing partially make up for the meh damage roll and low warp resistance

[teal needle]

All purg has in return for less damage at less range is a stagger

[bleak sonnet]

very bad, its a force sword

use an axe

[stuck bridge]

an AXE

https://i.imgur.com/af4Nyut.png

[uncut hamlet]

it doesnt have deflector anyway, so warp resistance matters less

[silent wave]

force sword is good, maybe you should just play a different class lmao

[stuck bridge]

wish i would roll deflector

[uncut hamlet]

me too

[warm delta]

purgatus can actually kill close range elites though, probably it can kill anything in range except crusher

[bleak sonnet]

force sword really is not good on 5s

[lilac fox]

unstable power seems kind of useless

[uncut hamlet]

yea it can, its just slower

[bleak sonnet]

takes way too long to kill shit

[teal needle]

I have literally not received a force sword with deflector yet

[raw breach]

Deflector + Exorcist or Deflector + Blazing Spirit??

[uncut hamlet]

crazy that I run it on 5. Have you tried heavy attacking with it charged?

[silent wave]

it's a nuke with the special and you have a team for hordes

[uncut hamlet]

whats exorcist do again?

[teal needle]

Force sword is fine on any difficulty

[raw breach]

Quell peril on weak spot hits

[silent wave]

plus deflector is super good from what I've heard

[uncut hamlet]

I would use exorcist

[bleak sonnet]

just too low dmg

[formal osprey]

Any idea how I can figure out what I havent done? Is this a bug I swear ive done them all.

[bleak sonnet]

the special is good for one guy yeah

[uncut hamlet]

blazing spirit if youahve good crit perks ig

[candid temple]

you're joking right?

[silent wave]

actual bad takes

[candid temple]

You have staff/team for hordes

[uncut hamlet]

yea, the single target sword is good for a single target

I know, crazy

[silent wave]

wild

almost like you have other tools for hordes lmao

[bleak sonnet]

the second i swapped off force sword to something that can clear well i started clearing 5s way faster

[scarlet lily]

empra...

[uncut hamlet]

dont forget the force sword block attack has the highest stagger. It gives you space from maulers nd sends ragers on their ass

[formal osprey]

Almost like everything is good at clearing hordes... because they are the easiest part of the game 😛

[candid temple]

?? you're meleeing?

[uncut hamlet]

You put a purge staff in your melee slot? that has to be an exploit

[candid temple]

besides killing elites?

[lilac fox]

Personally I prefer the mk 4 catachan sword

[raw breach]

You were using your special killing sword instead of your staff for horde clearing? I think I found the problem

[uncut hamlet]

No wonder he had a hard time clearing 5

[scarlet lily]

[uncut hamlet]

he probably had 2 force swords equipped

[night mortar]

dagger > fs

[bleak sonnet]

who said i had a hard time

i said faster

kill shit 5x faster

[scarlet lily]

no deflector..

[uncut hamlet]

yea 2 force swords would make it slower fs

I agree

[candid temple]

kill what shit 5x faster?

[uncut hamlet]

between 2 force sword and 2 axes id choose 2 axes too

[bleak sonnet]

all the shit

[plucky shuttle]

the sanest Psyker

[candid temple]

why are you meleeing?

you're not a zealot

wtf

[uncut hamlet]

Fr lmao

[tropic halo]

I melee all the time

[bleak sonnet]

why would i not be meleeing

[uncut hamlet]

guy made a psyker main and forgot his class

[silent wave]

true

[scarlet lily]

hmm

force has better dodge tho

[candid temple]

because you could be surge staff cc'ing the map or laying fat rails with void?

[scarlet lily]

what what

[uncut hamlet]

You're a backline class. Not to say you can't melee, all classes can, but your strengths are in

not melee

like

[silent wave]

man is playing discount vet lmao

[uncut hamlet]

you could use a railgun

a flamethrower

[tropic halo]

We're not just staff wielders, the emperor gave us weapons for a reason.

[lilac fox]

If I hit max peril and ult is down, group is dying you've got to use something for horde. Personally found the Catachan 4 blade is better than the force sword. I have 7 stamina and regen, I'd rather use that for a second than be stuck with the force sword permanently since it costs peril to push

[uncut hamlet]

force lightning

[scarlet lily]

dagger has been mid since nerf..

[uncut hamlet]

and you choose

mucle wizard

no shit youre going slow

[plucky shuttle]

I like force sword cause it's cool, using staff most of the time for trash mobs anyhoo

[bleak sonnet]

my group is clear time oriented, i don't run a horde clearing staff

i run surge to kill crushers fast

[scarlet lily]

force sword deflector is one of the most psyker things

[uncut hamlet]

So

[bleak sonnet]

axe to kill every other mob in the game

20 min t5 clears

[scarlet lily]

the push is like a freeze snap too

[uncut hamlet]

Surge into heavy attack charged force sword

your group is competent. Theyll be attacking the crusher

instant 1 shot

I dont see the problem

[bleak sonnet]

group 1 shots without the heavy attack charged force sword

lol

[uncut hamlet]

okay so

surge it for them

?

[tropic halo]

I surge all the time and find plenty of time to murder some people in melee

[plucky shuttle]

Deep fry em

[uncut hamlet]

whyre you meleeing then

youre the cc support

[bleak sonnet]

you know surge has an ani cancel right

you can stun and melee

at once

[scarlet lily]

I gotta sword and those hordes sometimes are just unarmored

[uncut hamlet]

crazy, anyways youre horde clearing with melee???

[raw breach]

your 4 options have been ranked accordingly lol

[scarlet lily]

The dopamine

[uncut hamlet]

Lmao I did not notice

[lilac fox]

My catachan heavy also does damage faster than surge, so if I need a group dead fast I single surge then clear with sword

[tropic halo]

Because I can, and sometimes you need to do a bit of everything. Sometimes it means distracting elitesoff of your teammates if they're too swarmed and you've surged all you can in those few seconds. I dunno what else to tell you.

[raw breach]

Nah, I just finished finiding the reactions for them all lol

[bleak sonnet]

nobody with a brain tries to kill a horde with a surge lol

[scarlet lily]

the lazguns, they do not effect me

[ornate hamlet]

You know, I only ever see purgatus and voidstrike in late game.

[uncut hamlet]

I assume your job isnt horde clearing since youre going surge

[ornate hamlet]

I dont see high rated surge force (lightning)

[candid temple]

[uncut hamlet]

youre playing zealot with a side dish of lightning rn

ofc you dont like force sword

[bleak sonnet]

everyone's "job" is horde clearing if you're trying to clear efficiently man, not sure what game you're playing

[scarlet lily]

im playing ogryn with a side of veteran and a dash of zealot

[raw breach]

Playing force sword like it';s a chainsword, same activation effect, right?

[lilac fox]

I'd use force sword more if it didn't cost peril

[scarlet lily]

yeah but it chunks

It can 2 shot boss with no shield @ heresy

[uncut hamlet]

Zealot with flamethrower clears better than any melee

[candid temple]

it's like 15-20 peril with high warp resist?

[uncut hamlet]

they should be dead in the same time regardless of whether you melee

[lilac fox]

I am talking about the push

[bleak sonnet]

and you know what does that better? a zealot with a flamethrowing plus you meleeing

[uncut hamlet]

Okay so

[candid temple]

push doesn't cost any peril?

unless you're doing push attack

which

[uncut hamlet]

the poxwalkers in the back die in 3 seconds say, from flame

[candid temple]

you shouldnt, unless it's like rager or whatever

[uncut hamlet]

the poxwalkers in front die in 1 second cuz you're meleeing

but

it doesnt matter

because

they wouldve died anyway

the horde dies as fast as the slowest enemy

[raw breach]

I mean, it makes your next melee apply BB to your target, cheaper but the same cast time if you factor in the melee swing animation lol

[tropic halo]

hey, if it works it works. again, dunno what to tell ya. sometimes your team aren't doing what they're supposed to, shit happens

[ornate hamlet]

Force sword is a great boss killer. I've used my force sword on L5s effectively.

[lilac fox]

Is it actually BB and not just a dmg boost? - Does it proc BB talents?

[candid temple]

no, it's damage boost

[scarlet lily]

you can do it in 2 shield phases if your team doesn't phase it..

[bleak sonnet]

idk what kind of teams you're playing in man, but im not trying to sit in a t5 for 45 minutes. my entire group kills hordes

[uncut hamlet]

45???????

[candid temple]

like huge damage boost on charged attack

[ornate hamlet]

A charged force sword does the damage of 2 Brainbursts.

[uncut hamlet]

By the emperor what teams are you getting

[tropic halo]

uhhh, pubs?

[candid temple]

who pubs t5?

[uncut hamlet]

I only pass 35 if there was a bot at some point duringthe game

[scarlet lily]

I've done 75% of a bossses hp in 1 shieldbreak hit

[bleak sonnet]

im not trying to sit in there for 35 either

[uncut hamlet]

I do tbf, theyve all been competent so far. When I can find them.

[bleak sonnet]

sub 20 minute runs where everyone is doing everything

[uncut hamlet]

Getting that zealot achievement eh? hell yea

[ornate hamlet]

When I ran it at psykergym simulation thing, I hit a shield ogryn and brought it's health to less than 5%.

[uncut hamlet]

Hes right that it has less horde clear

[lilac fox]

Anyone seen a force sword compared to a chainsword? curious how they stack up

[uncut hamlet]

and apparently hes training for the upcoming speedrun tourney or smth

[ornate hamlet]

They don't really. one is a first target hitter, the other is a cleaver.

[uncut hamlet]

Better on armored if I rememeber right

[lilac fox]

huh?

[uncut hamlet]

I did testing, one is better on armored, the other on unarmored

dont remember which is which

[ornate hamlet]

Meaning, the force sword is meant to do high damage to one target. The Chainsword is great at cleaving large numbers.

[lilac fox]

otherwise about the same then?

[tropic halo]

im gonna use a gun and be a gun wizard if you're gonna be that stringent on people playing how they want. melee's for everybody.

[uncut hamlet]

I didnt test basics

[lilac fox]

Chain isn't great at cleaving though....and I was talking about the charge attack

[uncut hamlet]

Stringent? I never said he couldn't, just didn't realise man was getting on the game to get off as fast as possible

[bleak sonnet]

gun wizard is fun, emperor gifted me a gold recon lasgun

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty sure force sword has highest one-shot in the game..

[uncut hamlet]

if speedrunning it is fun for him

all the power to it

hes probably right in his regard then since ive never tried it

[tropic halo]

your whole thing earlier was about how dare people actually meleed earlier. you're changing the goalpost.

[uncut hamlet]

Im coming from a perspective of pugs where I'll need to deal with 1-2 elites on me quickly

[ornate hamlet]

Check out this bad boy! Nice to find a fellow gun wizard!

[tropic halo]

we all deal with pugs, man

[uncut hamlet]

Meleeing as a psyker in pugs is rare for me

[tropic halo]

we are the pugs

[uncut hamlet]

Im on staff duty

[tropic halo]

I'm on staff duty too, and i also kill things with my melee

[uncut hamlet]

he was talking about horde clear with melee

which I came to understand meant

horde clear with melee

[lilac fox]

You never have enemies spawn literally on top of your character model?

[uncut hamlet]

and not speedrunning with ani cancelling

[tropic halo]

yes I do that too, especially with surge. they're stunned, they're perfect to be cleaved down and other things arent a priority

[lilac fox]

It must happen like 10 times a run to me

[uncut hamlet]

yea, part of when I pull out the sword

[uncut hamlet]

thats great! have fun with that

im not sure why thats important to me

[raw breach]

Sadly, no. It'd be a whole loot cooler if it did. But if you take Kinetic Flayer it will 🤣

[uncut hamlet]

I wish it counted as a BB

would be a nice buff

[tropic halo]

so i don't really get what the whole conflict is. situations call for anything. if a poxburster or an elite comes up, i'll deal with it. but surge is what allows me to control the crowd. i can keep an eye out while thinning out the horde. you do you, let others do what they want

[lilac fox]

The other big thing about why I prefer surge is because I can stop gun mooks from shooting me

there's not always cover

[unkempt juniper]

today, i will be a gun wizard as well

[candid temple]

as a voidslinger, I almost never melee, since I can generally do basic geometry and line up more than 2-3 targets for big killy.

[uncut hamlet]

I dont think you understood the entire discussion at all really. I was wondering why he was on horde clearing duty as a psyker in the first place

not

why he melee'd lmao

[raw breach]

BB Gun build with Accatran II lasgun and Kinetic Flayer is pretty OP tho. 233232 build

[candid temple]

well to be fair, I was confused as to why you'd melee as a psyker.

more than like 5-15%

[unkempt juniper]

because dueling sword is fun af

[uncut hamlet]

I was under the assumption that his melee

was for the 1-3 elites that make it past the front lines

[candid temple]

ah, well if it's fun, it's fun.

[uncut hamlet]

in which case force sword is exceptional

he was in fact, horde clearing

for

speedrunning essentially

in which case yea, melee ig with an axe

[tropic halo]

which is also okay

[uncut hamlet]

His point way before though

was

drop the force sword, axe is better

which is not true, for most psykers

as most psykers deal with maybe a powerful stray

[tropic halo]

that's your opinion

[uncut hamlet]

not zealot cosplay

[tropic halo]

its not invalid

[lilac fox]

Dude, could you please write in complete sentences? The single word posts make us all just sit and wait for you to finish typing?

[tropic halo]

but its your opinion

[uncut hamlet]

A force sword will kill a crusher faster than axe

[unkempt juniper]

i zealot cosplay with the mkV dueling sword

[tropic halo]

and your gameplay style

[orchid otter]

glorious zealot cosplay

[raw breach]

not only is axe better, but force sword is trash because it clears hordes so slow.

[candid temple]

😂

bruh

[uncut hamlet]

I'm not sure why you're so pressed about what ultimately has nothing to do with you

nowhere did I insult him

[candid temple]

single-target and elite killing weapon clears hordes slow, a shocker.

[uncut hamlet]

nowhere did I say he couldnt do it

[night mortar]

dagger > fs all day every day

[uneven sparrow]

Devils claw or duellin sword

[uncut hamlet]

I just disagreed and explained why

with counterpoints and examples of my own

[tropic halo]

again, up to your own preference. yes you can do incredible damage with force sword, but it's slow and in a middle of the horde, it can bog you down and get you hit some. some people prefer to chop away and use the increased maneuverability.

[uneven sparrow]

Tell me pls

[candid temple]

What if I told you you can railgun half a horde if your positioning isn't trash and you shoot a voidstaff at head height?

[uncut hamlet]

apparently what the other guy did was faster

[compact cargo]

why not just play zealot instead

[unkempt juniper]

dueling sword is basically a better, psyker exclusive dagger

you should really try it

[uncut hamlet]

I dont have experience speedrunning this game so I wouldnt know

[unkempt juniper]

the mkV specifically, but mkIV is also fun af

not the mk2 tho

[candid temple]

you have infinite push and infinite dodges, how are you getting bogged down?

[night mortar]

i have, prefer dagger though

[uncut hamlet]

oh yea, duelling sword is amazing for mobility

but

combat knife has great animations

[worthy wasp]

Combat Axe > all

[unkempt juniper]

dueling sword also has great animations!

[candid temple]

I can't use combat knife.
Every time I try, I'm reminded of dual daggers and the fact we don't have them.

[uncut hamlet]

FS did the knife flips and stuff amazingly though

[unkempt juniper]

special then light permastuns ragers and deals good damage at the same time

[night mortar]

this is the dagger im running at the moment

[uncut hamlet]

I was suprised when I saw them

[unkempt juniper]

(on mkV)

[worthy wasp]

I feel like a lawn mower with mkv combat axe

[lilac fox]

What do you mean by this?

[orchid nest]

the main problem between the two (for a surge build) is that you want quietitude and that it's much better on the non force melees for now. I would love to just use force sword thematically but having the axe makes me feel like a much more rounded team member

[worthy wasp]

Its like a zealot with a surge staff

[bleak sonnet]

axe gang

[uncut hamlet]

fair, ive played around with tac axe and it feels great

but im never up on front enough to use it

[worthy wasp]

Combat Axe

Mk V

[tropic halo]

because im still pretty slow and my dodge is shorter on force sword. i use my sword more aggressively and it helps me position around the map faster.

[uncut hamlet]

im a purge user so any chaff near me burn to death anyway

[dusk pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kZ4SHVKlRA

Axe gang be like

[bleak sonnet]

me n the boys clearing t5 assassination in 17 minutes:

[unkempt juniper]

mkV dueling sword heavies come out almost as fast as a combat axe light attack and deal enough dmg to 1hko all fodder on heresy and below

with good wep rolls, that is

you need the flak armor trait and good dmg and penetration

[bleak sonnet]

on heresy and below

[unkempt juniper]

i still use it in damnation

[bleak sonnet]

the heavies are nice, i have a really good dueling sword but

it just doesn't stack up to the versatility of 242 on a light

with pen

[unkempt juniper]

242?

[bleak sonnet]

224*

[unkempt juniper]

?

[tropic halo]

yeah axe has sweet damage

[bleak sonnet]

my axe does 224 on a light

[tropic halo]

light attack for axe is at least in 200s

[worthy wasp]

Yall use stuff other than the push attack?

Jk

But nah that push attack is nutty

On the mkv combat axe

[unkempt juniper]

thing with this is, the overhead chops are very good for finding heads, even when you honestly didn't deserve the headshot

[bleak sonnet]

so is an axe light

lol

[tropic halo]

i try converting to the mk5 axe but i find the dueling sword too satisfying.

[candid temple]

🤔

[bleak sonnet]

dueling sword movement super fun

for sure

i love using it

on lower diff

[worthy wasp]

The dueling sword doesnt have.... the push attack

[tropic halo]

i use a surge staff, my needs for my melee weapon are different.

[candid temple]

push you mean

[worthy wasp]

No, I mean push attack

[candid temple]

push attack is great, but I think most people use it for no reason

[worthy wasp]

On Mk V?

Combat Axe?

[candid temple]

oh I misread.

my bad.

[unkempt juniper]

the dueling sword special attack reliably staggers ragers, and with the mkv is followed up by a strong strikedown light, so you can special>light>special>light safely until a rager is dead, takes about 5 seconds in damnation

[bleak sonnet]

the axe light attack staggers ragers

and the push attack

they're strikedowns with cleave

[worthy wasp]

Push attack dunks on everything but ogryn

And surge staff dunks on ogryn

[uncut hamlet]

even maulers? thats crazy

[bleak sonnet]

yes

3shot maulers

[worthy wasp]

Just cc ogryn rq then toss some axe swings at em

Then go back to lawnmowering through everything

[unkempt juniper]

yeah i won't lie the axe dmg is crazy but it just swings and moves too slow for me

[worthy wasp]

Push attack more

[unkempt juniper]

i'd rather dodge while attacking

[bleak sonnet]

dueling sword is definitely the pick if you want to be fast

[worthy wasp]

When in doubtm.. push attack

[bleak sonnet]

at moving

[candid temple]

you can do both?

[bleak sonnet]

dueling sword, dagger, and axe are the only 3 viable melees in my eyes

for psyk

[worthy wasp]

Nah, the shoot while moving trait on surge staff if you want to keep moving

Cc then slap with axe

[tropic halo]

havent seen a knife psyker but i heard they're around

[worthy wasp]

Rinse repeat

Gg

[nocturne stream]

z

[bleak sonnet]

knife psyker is just pure survival in melee

you really dont kill things well

[unkempt juniper]

its not like i never push, but the dueling sword dodge is so fast i can go to orbit and back before they land a hit

[formal osprey]

Holy shit

Chad God of dueling swords just touched me

[worthy wasp]

Nothing in the entirety of darktide can stand up to the cc of surge with a follow up slap from an axe

[formal osprey]

3 80s?!?!

[tropic halo]

i rather have the no interruption blessings and the charging blessings. you run fast enough with the surge as it is, and dodging/sliding gives you enough breathing room anywhere

[unkempt juniper]

im so fucking jealous

[formal osprey]

Thats fucking rediculous right?

[bleak sonnet]

80% dmg only does 51?

[worthy wasp]

Was memeing on that part, I like the crit blessings on surge staff

[bleak sonnet]

i do 50 at 71

that's such a small upgrade for 9% wtf

[unkempt juniper]

with a dueling sword you kinda spam heavies mostly

[bleak sonnet]

the heavy does 2 more dmg

im at 204

[unkempt juniper]

the light attacks are pretty much just for hordes

[bleak sonnet]

so weird that 9% is only that much of an upgrade

[unkempt juniper]

im looking at the flak armored headshot number, thats where the breakpoint to 1hko ranged fodder on heresy and damnation matters

which is 10 higher on yours

[worthy wasp]

The issue is

[candid temple]

I can't wait for full crafting

[worthy wasp]

Keeping up warp charges for damage

[uncut hamlet]

Yea I have a bunch of weapons stocked up to break down for blessings

[unkempt juniper]

same

[uncut hamlet]

Hopefully they release it sometime this week

[candid temple]

hah

[tropic halo]

i sadly doubt it

[candid temple]

yeah...

[bleak sonnet]

they wont

too busy working on second shop rotation

[uncut hamlet]

That's why I'm only hoping lmao

[tropic halo]

maybe a month from now?

[candid temple]

I'm hopeful of January

maybe Febuary.

[uncut hamlet]

Nah no way they'll delay a core system by two months right...?

[bleak sonnet]

honestly with t5 already as braindead as it is, when they add full crafting they better add t6

[candid temple]

First Fatshark game?

[uncut hamlet]

I came in after VT was already good

[candid temple]

[dusk pilot]

I mean, it's December, they might not get an update out in time before Christmas

:c

But hopefully they do

[uncut hamlet]

T6 would be Hella fun and also locked behind aquilas

[crude cape]

does +% block efficiency perk on Curio make me use less peril when blocking with Force Sword with Deflector perk?

[worthy wasp]

Yo question about what appears in armor shop:

As long as I have a weapon with base power 380 in my inv I'm good right? Or do I have to have it equipped? Or does it scale off total power?

[tropic halo]

i just wanna drink rotgut with the boys and gamble my money away to an ogryn who's a savant at poker

[dusk pilot]

long as you have it should scale everything else

[uncut hamlet]

Just need it in inv

[worthy wasp]

And its base power right?

Not overall?

[uncut hamlet]

If they're gonna have a social hub they might as well add social stuff to the hub

[bleak sonnet]

i think its just based off level actually, my alt zealot has really high rolls in shop at 30 but ive never bought anything above like 200

[dusk pilot]

ye basepower but you can bump it up by upgrading the weapon past base

[uncut hamlet]

I heard DRG has it so I don't see why we wouldn't

[tropic halo]

yeah the mourningstar is depressing right now. somebody else put it best. it feels like an empty strip mall.

[uncut hamlet]

We even see card games and a pub in the cutscenes

[worthy wasp]

Look heres the real question

[dusk pilot]

I mean it's an inquisitorial ship tbf

[tropic halo]

nobody ever talks anymore. at least we had some chatting going on during cbt and obt. but it's all quiet now

[dusk pilot]

I mean, I don't even think our character talks in the cutscenes

I think it happens once

[uncut hamlet]

I've seen a bit of chatting but mostly people just run to their next mission

Or goto shop or afk

[worthy wasp]

Is it worth upgrading a weapon with 380 power to orange for better stuff in armory? Or does it have no impact?

[formal osprey]

Holy shit this thing is insane in the pyskanium

[tropic halo]

but they show a bar in the cutscene, plus it's more fun having quality of life stuff around.

[midnight forum]

Is it just me or force sword feels like a noodle against hordes?

[uncut hamlet]

A personal quarters would be great

[dusk pilot]

ye occasionally you get some back and forth chatter from hardon and one of the other inquisitorial agents whos names escape me

[bleak sonnet]

0

[uncut hamlet]

All the characters had a room in the fort

[tropic halo]

i would love some mini-games to play with others.

[uncut hamlet]

Nah I meant between players

[uncut hamlet]

That's a great suggestion

Little games in the pub you can play

[tropic halo]

it'll help people link up and form squads too

'hey nice game do you wanna help me do this penance?" etc.

[uncut hamlet]

Yea

[dusk pilot]

Imagine playing warhammer tabletop in the game

[tropic halo]

because that never actually happens in actual games, we're just in and out

[formal osprey]

Depends on what you are going for

[uncut hamlet]

I like the social hub even if it's partially to show off cosmetics, but I really want it to be a social hub

[dusk pilot]

Apparently during the era of the Iron Warriors they legitimately played warhammer tabletop

Strategy boards occupied much of the hall's space. These were thronged by Iron Warriors arguing how best to represent the hrud in simulated battles. Their recent setbacks had exercised their minds as much as their anger, and ambitious warsmiths could see the glory to be won if they concocted the winning strategy.

In truth, all warsmiths were ambitious, and they all had different ideas. In the first place, they could not agree how best to test their theories. Those that favoured the purity of wood block formations and outcomes decided by the casting of ten-sided dice argued bitterly with the proponents of cogitator-assisted simulators. They had come to blows with those who insisted that the hrud's unpredictability could only be modelled by savant brains deliberately altered to be insane, then linked in complex series.

[uncut hamlet]

And not an empty shell with a mission terminal

[uncut hamlet]

That's pretty cool

[tropic halo]

a beautiful shell, but an empty one. it's so weird how much more fleshed out the barbershop is compared to the other stores. how the cosmetic shop really makes no sense. it's just some... space with a revolving door or something

[dusk pilot]

Plus there are hundreds of thousands of different planets, there should be plenty of games to choose from

All from different cultures

[mellow crescent]

light-heavy-block cancel/push it what you want against hordes
but yes it takes a while
usually you want a staff to deal with hordes, I use my voidstrike in melee

[tropic halo]

i walked around slowly the ship to soak it in, it's awesome, but you really feel like "shit. this needs way more."

[uncut hamlet]

The requisitorium ain't bad. If you look behind the cage it actually is an armory. I would prefer a full room as you said though, and not just a box

[tropic halo]

i checked the gear inside, not a single staff

the servitor inside hates us

confirmed

[uncut hamlet]

Maybe it's just hidden away deeper cuz it's warp stuff

[tropic halo]

its why he sells us only axes and swords

[mellow crescent]

What would an imperial chess set look like?

[timid brook]

Anyone else complained about the Malleus Monstronum?

[uncut hamlet]

Wouldn't want anyone but us filthy witches to see those

[raw breach]

Seems to be the general sentiment toward our kind

[midnight forum]

What about flame one? I've seen people with ones on heresy/damnation taking care of full corridors full of 'tide

[uncut hamlet]

Fr I swear the servutor inside thinks I'm a vet

[brave vale]

I started leveling a veteran sharpshooter and I just wanna say, veteran sharpshooter is OP and feels way easier than psyker, the only thing psyker does better is anti-armor

[formal osprey]

Is there a cap on crafting mats? I just looked and my plasteel was at 5000 on the nose.

[tropic halo]

god fr. i fucking hate it

[uncut hamlet]

It's all accatrans and axes and devil claws

[formal osprey]

Does anyone have more than 5000 plasteel?

[tropic halo]

and shitty curios

[raw breach]

i'm going to finish getting every class to 30 this week. Every class is good

[mellow crescent]

As far as I can tell people are making purge, surge and void work
trauma is meh as far as I can tell

[dusk pilot]

Not sure, perhaps space marines? It certainly wouldn't involve the Emperor because you wouldn't be able to knock him off the board, on the topic of games though I remember there was an imperial card game, the name escapes me in one of the Gaunts Ghost books I think it was

[uncut hamlet]

I have 45 plasteel and 860 diamabtine

[foggy whale]

which staff?

[dusk pilot]

I've noticed lower tier missions drop more plasteel

And less Diamantine

[formal osprey]

Wait which one is which, I have 5000 of the common stuff

[uncut hamlet]

The more rare one is diamantine

I need the more common stuff lmao

[formal osprey]

ok is there a cap?

[uncut hamlet]

I don't know

[dusk pilot]

And higher tier missions drop more diamantine

[formal osprey]

Does anyone have more than 5000 plasteel?

[tropic halo]

and the cosmetics in the requistion store are so limited. i got the monster armor. wheres the recolors and redesigns for that one in the cosmetic store? our most colorful outfits were the prison garbs.

[uncut hamlet]

If you're stuck at a cap upgrade something nice for yourself

[mellow crescent]

with purge you also have this

[dusk pilot]

I mean I'm working my way up, I just used a bunch tho

[formal osprey]

Jesus you are poor, where is your money 😦

[orchid nest]

if you can I should, let me log in and check

[uncut hamlet]

I found that really limiting too yea. I thought the shop would populate with more cosmetics as I unlocked their bases

I'm alright with redskins for now, but they're all only for the base skins

[dusk pilot]

Invested it all in weapons

For when crafting comes around

And we can melt them down and get their perks

[uncut hamlet]

I've been doing that too

[midnight forum]

... and that is heresy?

[uncut hamlet]

Gonna open my own requisitorium at this rate

[raw breach]

3750 on my psyker, checking my ogryn

[formal osprey]

Guns and butter dog 😦

[raw breach]

Nah, not up to 5k on ogryn yet

[formal osprey]

lol so I just happened to have had 5000 😛

[orchid nest]

yeah haha

[tropic halo]

same, man. same. whats worse is the price variety. where pants with stripes is like twice the amount of the same pants but with squares or something. it's just all over the place.

[mellow crescent]

I don't think so, just a demonstration that with the level 30 soulfire feat you have a chance of getting warp charges on kill

When you kill an enemy which has the soulblaze effect on them, you have a chance of getting a warp stack.

A 10% chance to be precise.

[formal osprey]

Im not sure thats right, I just dont see that in the wording. I think the soulfire has to kill them.

[raw breach]

afaik for Ascendant Blaze, the trigger for getting a warp charge is that soulblaze has to be the killing blow

[formal osprey]

Right

[mellow crescent]

The video clearly shows otherwise.

[formal osprey]

@ exitus' Can you time stamp me?

[uncut hamlet]

Probably as a late game gold sink, but I'm poor anyway from blessing collecting

[dusk pilot]

Also I hadn't realized but when I booted up the game after the beta ended I got a bunch of stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6PPB7StPyY

[mellow crescent]

0:19

[dusk pilot]

Turns out the stuff was because I owned vermintide 2

[worthy wasp]

Do I need an orange in my inventory to make high power stuff appear in shop?

[mellow crescent]

Third kill.

[raw breach]

video shows a dude left clicking flame staff then melee'ing things with a chainsword. Pretty far from showing otherwise.

[night marten]

ascendant blaze requires the target to be killed by the dot *for a chance at the warp charge

[raw breach]

Yeah, it took me a while to figure out which things were from that bundle. Coolest thing besides Ogryn tattoo is Kerillian's black sclera's for all classes imo though

[formal osprey]

I get what hes saying, hes only got one feet selected

[midnight forum]

High power stuff in shop is Warp-Exclusive - reach 105% peril at the end of Damnation mission to get your first orange to pop up in shop
/s of course

[night marten]

not killed while on fire, not killed from purg staff direct damage (even though it should), specifically from dot damage

[dusk pilot]

I quite like the eye colour it gives you access to as well

Looks great on my psyker

[midnight forum]

Are you using normal speed while quelling? Or is there something better in that column?

[raw breach]

i do like the bright orange eyes, i just wish it weren't psyker only, and that black sclera's allowed me to use the glowing blue psyker eye option, so i'm using black sclera's with firey orange pupils as well

[stable nacelle]

best talent setup for the monstrosity kill penance?

running this atm

[dusk pilot]

an ogryn face tanking it with a shield

[mellow crescent]

how he getting them warp stacks though?

[stable nacelle]

there is no ogryn in my talents

👀

[dusk pilot]

You'll need to get one then

Daemonhosts are the easiest boss to take down, they focus on one person

So you can just pepper them with brain blasts

So with the Ogryn face tanking them, you just pop them