psyker-class

[twin wing]

only level 13

[flint sky]

Malice your doing the right thing

Bb is great for malice and below

[native thorn]

after that peril is best spent on magic

[flint sky]

Heresy you will start being more of a cc staff slave

[native thorn]

You can still void nuke

[loud violet]

I'm currently pugging and I haven't had the need to be a CC staff slave

at all

[flint sky]

Move from elite killer to team support on higher diffs

[loud violet]

On heresy that is

[native thorn]

It's not really need

[loud violet]

Frankly I'd rather be self reliant than hope than coinflip the veteran

[flint sky]

What are you running?

[native thorn]

It's more like the best possible team comp has a surge staff

[paper seal]

https://i.imgur.com/zl0X1FR.jpeg they really need to change this

[twin wing]

is surge staff any good when you actually get a good one?

[paper seal]

why tf did i get 3 guns as a psyker

thats so annoying

[native thorn]

surge staff is amazing even with a bad one

[twin wing]

only got one at start and it seems weak

[flint sky]

Yes the stun is soooooo good

[native thorn]

It's a support weapon for cc

not a murder stick

[twin wing]

feels like it only hits 3 enemies

[flint sky]

autopistol
Ngmi

[loud violet]

I do not know what Ngmi means

[twin wing]

full charge hits like 5 guys out of a swarm of 365

[flint sky]

Sweet force sword roll tho

[loud violet]

but it's a fun weapon

[gray kelp]

surge staff is good at killing scabs

[native thorn]

it hits 4 and stuns them better than other stuns

[paper seal]

this was my issue with it too

[flint sky]

Not gonna make it

[loud violet]

It's fine really

[paper seal]

like i'd rather just shred a horde and ranged enemies than stun like 5 guys

[native thorn]

Again, not a murder stick

[loud violet]

Eats way too much ammo

[weak galleon]

It's a top tier team support tool, for staggerings ("stunning") enemies and getting rid of elites close range.

[native thorn]

it does good damage to armored enemies though

[flint sky]

I mean not really, your eating vet ammo and taking away your best utility to a team on high diffs

[native thorn]

Actually the stun is better than basic stagger

[loud violet]

It's not vet ammo

[native thorn]

lasts longer

[twin wing]

yeah but the stagger from void or trauma would be the same for staggers if not more

[loud violet]

It's our ammo

[subtle flame]

any suggestions for pskyer on malice? been having a bit of trouble, im using the force sword and surge staff

[native thorn]

Nope, stagger is worse than electrocute

[loud violet]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-cat-sovicat-soviet-ussr-cat-gif-21826197

[native thorn]

Inferior cc

[flint sky]

I'm sure pugs love you

[paper seal]

whats your gear level

[loud violet]

Never had any problems with it tbh

[flint sky]

No

[subtle flame]

in a mission rn but my staff is 230, im lvl 13

[flint sky]

Brainburst spam

[native thorn]

I'm pretty sure it'll also stun some things that don't generally get staggered easily

But haven't tested

[paper seal]

use BB more yeah

pop every special you see with BB

[flint sky]

Peril edge at 97

[subtle flame]

i do that

[paper seal]

are you edging like peek said?

[subtle flame]

trying

[flint sky]

Well you are as useful as the class will ever get

[weak galleon]

Not even close.
First of all, Trauma is still shit in general, unless there was a patch in last 24 hours.
Secondly, Surge stuns/staggers stuff that voidstrike can only dream about.

if you want both stagger and horde clear, Purge (Left click for stagger, right click for hordes) is your friend, but his target selection for stagger is much smaller than for Surge.

[paper seal]

purge does not clear hordes

[subtle flame]

but im also using quietude

[native thorn]

controls em, aye

[weak galleon]

excuse me?

[loud violet]

so what does rending actually do

[flint sky]

Yeah it does

[loud violet]

and is it even worth the time

[paper seal]

killing them all in like 2 hits also controls them

much better imo

[long wharf]

clearing hordes is the one thing purge is good for

[flint sky]

Not as well as flamer but it clears

[native thorn]

Sure if they're in a line

Purge can sweep

[paper seal]

void explodes

just shoot it at the ground

[subtle flame]

do i use quietude for my first feat or something else?

[paper seal]

it stuns specials too

[native thorn]

aoe damage not good

[runic hornet]

rending is a buff that increases your ability to pierece flak and carapace armor

[native thorn]

want direct hits if you want murder

[runic hornet]

on flak its a decent damage buff

[sick pier]

hello i'm a new psyker, do you people use right clic to gater power at all ?

[paper seal]

the void aoe damage is really good + it stuns

[runic hornet]

on carapace it absolutely slaps

[long wharf]

staggers

[native thorn]

it staggers

Surge stuns

[loud violet]

I got this on my purge staff

[long wharf]

but yes, void secondary staggers most things

[native thorn]

They are different effects

[loud violet]

and I'm wondering if supressing is

any good at all

[paper seal]

either way the enemy is not moving and then they die

[flint sky]

Yeah it's better than purge but purge isnt useless

[weak galleon]

I mean, okay - I do lack experience in Damnation difficulty.
but Heresy Purge clears hordes pretty damn well.

Voidstrike is better for big bang horde Clear, Purge is somewhat like a middle ground between Voidstrike/Surge in this regard, that also gave up range.

[paper seal]

I don't think purge is useless

[flint sky]

Good horde clear

[lethal plover]

Only for ranged

[loud violet]

So it makes ranged stop firing?

[paper seal]

purge does yes

it is very good for that

[loud violet]

No like

the suppression blessing

[flint sky]

Saying it doesnt kill hordes is saying it's useless

[subtle flame]

what is purge?

[native thorn]

flamethrower staff

[paper seal]

yeah I guess it's not good at much else, I just like the m1 blast

its a good emergency panic button for specials with the stagger

[flint sky]

Ok stagger on it

[subtle flame]

whats the best first feat?

[paper seal]

restore 10% on warp charge gain

[flint sky]

Its a bit of a middle ground between voids great horde clear and surges disgusting stagger

[long wharf]

depends on which staff you're using

[native thorn]

I just really appreciate how toxbursters get so stunned by lightning that they stop beeping

It's hilarious

[subtle flame]

surge?

[long wharf]

on warp charge gain or quell

[weak galleon]

Purgatus staff.

[paper seal]

warp charge gain is just the best one imo at least if you use psychic communion

[native thorn]

this depends on level imo, I don't like warp charge gain without the accompanying feats

while levelling definitely get quell

[subtle flame]

quietude?

[native thorn]

yeah

[long wharf]

if you're reliably building warp charges and spending them, then that's fine

[frail geyser]

I still prefer the on demand nature of quietude

[loud violet]

I ran warp absorption /Essence harvest while leveling

[paper seal]

the 10% heals even if you are at max stacks

when you would normally gain one

[frail geyser]

Esp with how active surge is in the cast quell loop

[weak galleon]

certain person here was running quell on higher difficulties with AXe Mk5 & kinetic deflection, due to insane tankiness it gives you during melee, but i still switched back to WCs.

WCs are superior for ranged combat, imo

which is where you'll lose most toughness.

[long wharf]

oh yeah? that's good to know

[native thorn]

not bad but with surge staff you don't get too many kills

[loud violet]

If you switch between BB & the staff you shouldn't have too many issues

[native thorn]

quietude is just really reliable on surge

[flint sky]

Stagger slave gaming

Dont switch to bb at high diffs that often

[native thorn]

yeah but I can bb one dude or stun 8 for the same cost

[midnight forum]

what are the best feats to pick for psyker?

[native thorn]

depends on staff

Everything psyker depends on staff

[flint sky]

Scroll up we are discussing now

[loud violet]

Stun slave while leveling?

[native thorn]

Though a few tiers have big standouts

[loud violet]

[weak galleon]

It does work though.
just had an excellent smooth (aside from me getting fucked by poxbursters, and getting revived into being surrounded by horde with a grenade under my feet) heresy game

[flint sky]

Leveling is void staff

[weak galleon]

Surge Psyker
Purge Psyker (me)
Veteran
Shield Ogryn

[native thorn]

I like it

[flint sky]

Or ignoring void and using bb

[weak galleon]

everything that was thrown at us just melted

[lavish cipher]

WC?

[fading jewel]

do they plan on removing that notfi dot for ocd people ???

[flint sky]

Oh I know

[weak galleon]

Warp Charges, in this context - Toughness on Warp Charges.

[flint sky]

I just want other viable psyker builds than staff slave

[tropic halo]

i think it may be cosmetics you got for other classes. i'm bothered by it all the time, only got a psyker

[junior ruin]

i cant live without quietude and perils on block lol the other toughness regen talents are just too inconsistent for me

[loud violet]

Reject stun slavery

Embrace fire

[frail spire]

force sword vs dueling sword?

[weak galleon]

I was running Voidstrike for about 70 hours. Another 20-30 spent with Surge.
Switched to Purge for last ~10, completely viable if your team can deal with ranged (while you support them with BB)

[thorn veldt]

oy , any of you know how you can do pick n mix penance ? like , do you need to kill 5 different mob class or just 5 mobs ?

[native thorn]

what staff

[junior ruin]

i hate the force sword personally

[flint sky]

Embrace being worth less than you already are to your team

[frail spire]

purgatus

[thorn veldt]

also , do you need to do it only with BB ?

[native thorn]

FS for the nuke imo

[loud violet]

Good.

I'm gonna min max my fun

not someone elses idea of optimal

[native thorn]

having FS nuke is pretty nice since your staff can't really handle big lads

[weak galleon]

But I'd seriously recommend to do Voidstrike/Surge first, Purgatus later.

[pastel spire]

wounds health toughness - what should I spec into for endgame?

[native thorn]

toughness

[flint sky]

Ok? I'm agreeing with you I just want more for the class that to 100% be based around staffs

[subtle flame]

unless youre on xbox

bug still isnt fixed

[weak galleon]

Yeah absolutely. Psyker is a mess.
best build is Bardin Ironbreaker Psyker build, fml

[native thorn]

Did the bug even arrive

on xbox we don't have stat numbers yet

[junior ruin]

generally i want 1 wound then max toughness

[subtle flame]

bug is def there

veteran is unplayable

[native thorn]

ah kk ty

[pastel spire]

so health is useless?

[weak galleon]

that's now what I expected from Mage archetype with "incredible power" (c) Developwers

[native thorn]

It's not necessarily useless

But toughness regens

so you get more mileage

[flint sky]

Is it still there? Didnt notice earlier

[native thorn]

also toughness restoration feats are % based

[flint sky]

But those were women incredibly smooth runs

[native thorn]

So the more toughness you have the more you restore

[frail geyser]

Y?

[subtle flame]

yeah i think it is

[junior ruin]

psyker has low base health so isnt much point investing into it IMHO

[junior ruin]

I hate its attack chains

[native thorn]

also toughness protects health

[weak galleon]

?

[native thorn]

more toughness can make you lose less health

[subtle flame]

from ranged hits yes

[flint sky]

Disagree. Toughness melts on ranged attack in a nanosecond on higher diffs

Shouldnt be taking much damage in melee imo

[subtle flame]

bit if youre below 100 toughness melee will damage you at a reduced amount

[frail geyser]

Percent

100%

[weak galleon]

I mean, yeah, unwieldy a bit, but FSword is a very safe option.
Definitely a top tier option

[loud violet]

Melee damage still bleed through toughness to your health

[charred marten]

health keeps you alive from melee hits, thoughness regen over time. They both have a use

[subtle flame]

yeah but if you only have 100 toughness then its still 100%

[junior ruin]

id still rather have toughness, as they also melt health at the same rate.

[frail spire]

does ranged enemies do more damage to toughness compared to health, or is it the same for both?

[weak galleon]

if you want something else, there're duelist blades, knife (<barely used that one myself), and a FSword equal powerbuild with Mk5 Axe.

[frail geyser]

Having more toughness can add to effective hp

[flint sky]

You would be far far less efficient in doing so but you do you

[native thorn]

ranged can't chip through low toughness

[frail geyser]

Bc of how the dmg reduction workz

[subtle flame]

like i said, still busted on xbox so i cant do that

[frail geyser]

Oh lol

Yea fatshark lmao

[native thorn]

eh that's on MS

[subtle flame]

its like an active detriment if i use toughness curios lol

[native thorn]

they have longer certification processes for patches and stuff

It's also why we don't have crossplay te

[junior ruin]

im not sure how less toughness protects from ranged better

[native thorn]

yet*

[subtle flame]

yeah its 100% MS

[native thorn]

patch pace is too fast

[gray kelp]

any blessings that are particularly good on surge or do blessings/perks not matter much in general for it?

[native thorn]

because you can get it back

[untold kestrel]

not too shabby

[frail geyser]

We wouldnt have crossplay if they were same

[native thorn]

without medicae

[flint sky]

It doesnt, but toughness melts far quicker to las than hp

[frail geyser]

Fatshark still workin on crossplay

[subtle flame]

is dueling sword better than force?

[junior ruin]

the one that stops you from being interupted

[flint sky]

Better not really it's a preference thing

[orchid dirge]

its a taste thing

[frail geyser]

Preference

[junior ruin]

id still rather have more toughness so my hp is less likely to get damaged at all

[frail geyser]

Thats not how it works

[native thorn]

also depends what you wanna do

[flint sky]

Just out of curiosity what diff do you play most?

[weak galleon]

Wdym?

[subtle flame]

the special on the force sword is amazing on assasination targets

[lofty walrus]

what do you guys do when surrounded by a horde? spam forcesword aoe disable and reposition so they're all in front of you?

[weak galleon]

Do ranged enemies damage % of toughness instead of raw damage?

[frail geyser]

The full dmg block only works when your toughness is 100% full

[junior ruin]

jump between malice and heresy depending on how im feeling

[subtle flame]

i cant even do malice yet ;~;

[gray kelp]

oh no not the health vs toughness debate again I don't want to explain to someone enemies do more than 5% toughness damage per hit on heresy+ again lol

[flint sky]

The dodge and cleave on the dueling sword is nice tho

[native thorn]

unleash the dueling sword

[frail geyser]

So if you have 120 toughness, lose 20 then take dmg at 100 tough you take bleed thru

[weak galleon]

It's about not taking health damage from ranged enemies.

[tall mango]

got this drop today, worth keeping?

[orchid dirge]

if you are able to crit on the dueling you do a shit ton of damage, i ve seen 1k hits

[native thorn]

Still not quite FS

[flint sky]

Right that's why we are disagreeing then

[native thorn]

I think only hammer might outdo FS special heavy

[flint sky]

It doesnt matter as much on malice

[lofty walrus]

im too addicted to deflect on my forcesword loool

I clear heresy without dying on all maps except the dessert one. I find the part where you're outside in the valley with surrounded spawn pretty tough on heresy. I always down at least once 😂

[junior ruin]

unless im ogryn id still rather invest in toughness since it regenerates

[native thorn]

But in general my approach is picking a staff and then picking a melee to make up for its shortcomings

[frail geyser]

The convo earlier implied it was about melee chip

[flint sky]

[orchid dirge]

this is the way

[native thorn]

void is a decent generalist but purg/surge really want a weapon to complement them

[weak galleon]

oh, misunderstood him then.
But yeah, I'm trying to stack toughness +1 wound on psyker too, though my curious kinda suck.
Just for the sake of tanking ranged damage. Melee is much easier to tank with my build.

[native thorn]

trauma doesn't exist

[flint sky]

All that matters with toughness is that it's at 100%

That's the only thing that matters thanks to chip damage

[frail geyser]

Either way dodgeslide and positioning do lots of heavy lifting for all the classes re ranged fire dmg imo

[weak galleon]

and unfortunately my Deflector Force Sword has shit primary target stat, so -20% dmg compard to normal. Don't like using that one.

[junior ruin]

not realy, having more toughness means your percentage toughness stays higher after a hit so less chip damage gets through

[native thorn]

didn't actually consider that

solid point

[loud violet]

Lasgun time

[flint sky]

Meh would rather have the HP for chip and ranged on high diff

[flint sky]

That is a good point tho

[gray kelp]

the issue with this is toughness is really fragile regardless so having 40/160 toughness vs. 0/100 toughness doesnt make a huge diff I feel

[native thorn]

A big part of it for me is that all toughness restoration feats are % based

[tropic halo]

its been a week and i still havent seen a decent gray mk5 saber.

[native thorn]

More toughness means more regen

[wet cloak]

Just stack wounds, easy

[gray kelp]

I think toughness regen is much more important than how much toughness you have

[weak galleon]

fucking HATE this part of Darktide. Getting burnt out of the game already, since I start having fun once I finish gearing up.
Crafting can't come soon enough

[native thorn]

more toughness increases your regen from feats

[flint sky]

The true high diff gamer

[loud violet]

So far so good

[echo parrot]

378 knife

[junior ruin]

Thats why for zealot and ogryn i go health, but psykers hp pool feels too squishy to bother increasing, whereas with kinetic deflection and quietude i can be very safe in melee

[gray kelp]

but not the % amount, which is more important

[native thorn]

depends if you're in melee

[flint sky]

Dont know why you would be with such great staffs

[wet cloak]

As a psyker you should at least get one more wound, at least.

[cloud ridge]

playstyle too, i like to use 1 toughness charm and 2 health charms that "feels" the best for me

[native thorn]

hey the stun swap cleave is a classic

[zenith dome]

Does

[junior ruin]

yeah allways want +1 wound for heresy

[zenith dome]

Does purgatory staff count as soulblaze

[gray kelp]

personally I mostly take damage from stuff like sudden sniper hits, flamers and bombers which ignore toughness. I prefer to be able to survive one extra bullshit spawn on average rather than have marginally higher toughness

[loud violet]

It does

[gray kelp]

ranged damage doesnt bleed through toughness at all, only melee does

[untold kestrel]

just said that...

[junior ruin]

i can usually dodge most fire/snipers and its generally gun lines that get me, but i guess thats why its a choice 😛

[gray kelp]

"if you are at or above 100 toughness" implies it doesnt below 100 toughness

which is incorrect

[cloud ridge]

the way you phrased it was like someone trying to make a word count on a paper lol

[native thorn]

It's a pity we don't have like

some sort of channel mod

[untold kestrel]

lol fair enough. carry on then

[native thorn]

This place could benefit a lot from a few pins

[trail tapir]

OK I have changed my mind completely, force sword with deflector is the best melee stick in the game

[flint sky]

OR just stun more people 🧠

[trail tapir]

It's soo tanky, and with kinetic parry and quietitude you become really reasonably tough

[untold kestrel]

yeah after rereading i worded it completelyt wrong

[junior ruin]

yeah just hate its attack chains 😦

cant wait for more force sword varaints

[untold kestrel]

it never existed

[zinc phoenix]

G*mer moment

[trail tapir]

I wish for a two handed variant!

[wet cloak]

@native thorn Devs are scared of psyker players. We'd be asking them when they're going to rework psyker. So, just like crime in Sweden, they act like we're not here.

[cloud ridge]

light /heavy / block push isn't that bad

[zinc phoenix]

I want the force helmet so I can use the force while head butting people

[junior ruin]

that would be very cool yeah 😛

[native thorn]

I'd be scared, too. This many of us and there's bound to be a demon soon

[wet cloak]

We also need to know when we can put a daemonhost into our veteran teammates

Very important

[gray kelp]

the demons in my brain are telling me to run trauma staff

[loud violet]

Do it.

It's fun, even if it's not optimal

[zinc phoenix]

Yer a daemonhost harry!

[native thorn]

Don't listen sibling

[native thorn]

if you want fun and not optimal go flamethrower

[zinc phoenix]

If you want fun and optimal go knife zealot with flamer

[native thorn]

only if they add a chain knife

[zinc phoenix]

Because chain keeps us together

[native thorn]

Thank you, ogryn

[wet cloak]

Ogryns are the best teammates, always the first ones to pick us up when we accidently thought too hard and explode.

[native thorn]

Also full speed carry is op

[loud violet]

lasgun go brrrt

[long wharf]

as much as I want to enjoy the purge staff, it just doesn't feel good to use

[native thorn]

if I want brrt i'll go vet

[sleek hornet]

voidstrike feels good

[native thorn]

They get a few extra r's in the brrrrrrrt

[long wharf]

void feels great

surge feels useful

[lethal plover]

it feels very good to me. I just staggered a whole horde in 180 around me in the investigation mission

[sleek hornet]

yeah

surge doesnt give Your name here killed Elite

but the stun keeps the team going longer

[lethal plover]

I am the horde specialist

[native thorn]

purge has it's place, surge and void just kinda have more useful niches

[graceful eagle]

why stagger, just kill it 4head

[long wharf]

everyone loves seeing a surge staff user

[wet cloak]

It does feel good to delete an entire squad of enemy ranged with the surge staff though

[sleek hornet]

^

[lethal plover]

surge would be useless in that investigation arena

[sleek hornet]

i had on gamepass a surge staff that did extra damage to unarmored

it could clear hordes

[long wharf]

ogryns absolutely love surge users

[native thorn]

you underestimate hold RMB spam LMB

[sleek hornet]

lol

[noble garden]

You don't have to aim at all with surge staff which is always a plus

[lethal plover]

and I understand there are more than that

[sleek hornet]

yo

speaking of surge

[lethal plover]

more enemies than surge could stun

[long wharf]

add in the ability for it to auto-target things you can't see, and it has the best team utility of all the staves

[sleek hornet]

is there a benefit to charging RMB

[long wharf]

you just aren't killing with it reliably

[native thorn]

It's higher damage so if you wanna charge in cover that's cool

But in general it's more useful to quick lightning

Stun doesn't scale with the charge, only damage

[night marten]

hmm

[echo parrot]

Ohdamn

[sleek hornet]

nice

[bright cipher]

time to brick it

[echo parrot]

Nice

[lethal plover]

every staff is made for a different purpose. If I had a penny for every person that wants to force surge into horde clearing role

[sleek hornet]

Listen here

if i want to surge clear horde

your gonna watch me surge clear horde

[long wharf]

I still use it against hordes that are around teammates

that's 5~7 enemies not hitting that teammate

[subtle flame]

what else is it for?

[sleek hornet]

damn right

[native thorn]

cc

[lethal plover]

gunmen, sporadic enemies, charging specials

not for giant zombie hordes

[sleek hornet]

I only use surge on beast of nurgle

[subtle flame]

so what do i do for hordes?

[native thorn]

Surge is for looking at whoever you want to and just telling them no

[lethal plover]

voidstrike and purgatus staff

[wet cloak]

If I want to surge the daemonhost, you bet I will surge that bastard.

[trail tapir]

That's just what nurgle wants me to think

[long wharf]

talk about banging your head against a brick wall

[sleek hornet]

xD

[subtle flame]

i mean for in missions when im using the surge

[native thorn]

if you're using surge, test melees and find your favorite for hordes

[lethal plover]

pray you got good team mates

[sleek hornet]

thats the best description for surge ive heard yet

[lethal plover]

no one has to fill every role. we can't anyway

[trail tapir]

Hope the zealot has a flamer and hold block

[white badger]

For hordes, you need to learn to melee safely. I use force sword. It has a great push, and you can control any number of trashlings if none get behind you.

[wet cloak]

Surge is going into a room and going "You're all my bitches now" except if there's more than 8, then you're boned.

[trail tapir]

Except for the veteran with a lasgun and a power sword

[mellow yarrow]

People are just trying to find justifications to use a non optimal staff "flamer"

[native thorn]

man's can't cc

[lethal plover]

I main that. that can't deal with a group of crushers and maulers charging

[mellow yarrow]

And there's nothing wrong with using it

[white badger]

Heck, every class needs to learn how to melee safely against hordes. That's probably the core skill in Fatshark games.

[trail tapir]

The best form of cc is death

[native thorn]

tell that to a shield ogryn

[long wharf]

speaking of which, the emperor just graced my zealot with this

[sleek hornet]

grats.

[wet cloak]

Very nice

[long wharf]

and I'm just playing my zealot to get her up to 30

[paper seal]

i fucking love shield ogryns

[long wharf]

then I'm going to put her away for a long time

[loud violet]

My psyker is apparently shy

[wet cloak]

I love shield ogryns, nothing like watching confused vet players as they get charged.

[long wharf]

it's hard not to

[long wharf]

not shy, asleep

[night marten]

I love this prep animation lol

[sleek hornet]

pyskers too much fun

[long wharf]

in the military, you learn to get sleep wherever you can find it

[native thorn]

hey now, vets dumping a full mag at a dog and missing is up there

[junior anvil]

Hivemind, I require your aid! Which one?

[lethal plover]

anime protag brooding

[native thorn]

probs the first

Surge staff doesn't do good damage to unarmored enemies so you're not boosting much with it

and you generally spam your secondary instead of charging so the blessing isn't too useful

[wet cloak]

Second one has better base stats

[twin wing]

uninterruptable is good tho

[lucid iris]

when do u get a fire staff unlocked?

[twin wing]

for the being hit in the back

[trail tapir]

Hmm, so what would be good perks for purgatus?

[native thorn]

only if you're full charging surge

Which is rare

[trail tapir]

Like 13? I think

[long wharf]

you use the second (purple) and wait for a better replacement

[lucid iris]

bet ty

[wet cloak]

@junior anvil I'd say the second one for now, then wait for a better one

[trail tapir]

Or 15

@lucid iris yeah it's 15

[native thorn]

Ok y'all right i didn't see ratings lol

[junior anvil]

Thank you everyone! 😄

[mellow yarrow]

Second

[runic hornet]

just came out of a group with 3 voidstrike staffs

and an ogyrn

ogyrn carried us tbh

[fading jewel]

can all 7 types of missions be a tier 1-3?

[long wharf]

yes

[fading jewel]

im looking at them all and i cant find one that i havnt done its wierd

[lethal plover]

try the new desert map (disruption) ?

that was my last

it's new I guess

[fading jewel]

hmm the map looks like one ive done , im just testing them all

[native thorn]

Bear in mind there are more missions than "maps"

[teal needle]

Heresy is so comfy with two decent psykers covering both of the good staves

[lethal plover]

both?

[native thorn]

Void surge, ez

[teal needle]

Surge + voidstrike, locks elites and hordes

[lethal plover]

I had like 3 different clears with double flame staff

just yesterday

[native thorn]

Oh you can use flame

[lethal plover]

never enough flame

[native thorn]

It's just probs not optimal

[gloomy beacon]

whats the best lvl 30 feat. while not focusing on BB ofc

[native thorn]

But that doesn't matter too much

[wet cloak]

I like to use ascendant blaze with purgatus staff

[lethal plover]

flame is more optimal for hordes that don't stay in a lane. like the investigation arena

[teal needle]

You really don't need to be optimal in heresy, it's turning out ot be the new Legendary

Once you get four people who can tell their asses from their elbows it's fine

[native thorn]

Oh I agree

I'm not saying don't use purg

I'm just saying if this game has an ideal team comp it won't have purg

[lethal plover]

I had the same opinion 3 days ago

now that I learn more about the flame staff I revised my opinion

[wet cloak]

I just use it for fun, it's definitely not as good as the flamer zealot has.

[cyan echo]

The thing I dislike about Purgatus staff is the time spent charging, time spent discharging

It feels a bit inefficient

[tropic halo]

I had a psyker with purge carry my ass before. You can make any of the three staffs work.

[native thorn]

Thing is(to me) your teammates are more likely to be able to do what purg does than the others

[tropic halo]

(we dont talk about trauma)

[lethal plover]

you learn with quelling / BB-ing and stuff already with psyker. it's as fast as surge for quick stunning

just dodge around

[sage yacht]

I like to rush ranged units with the left click of flame staff since they get staggered and then I melee the shit out of it so I guess I use the purg staff as a blitz weapon with the option of CC in horde waves

[teal needle]

I've revised my opinion on flame staff from 'it's poo' to 'it's an okay compromise between voidstrike and surge but I don't love it and on more open maps you're completely at the mercy of your teammates'

[lethal plover]

then once you have time do full charge

[night marten]

remember, bulwarks have a huge shield radius much larger than their actual shield https://gfycat.com/abandonedflatfruitfly

[cyan echo]

Not the quelling, I'm talking about the time it takes to "unload" your flame

[subtle flame]

is chainsword any good on psyker?

[native thorn]

Solid middling I think?

[lethal plover]

anyone tries to get to you, flame them. it staggers them back.

[native thorn]

Not top tier but defs usable

[cyan echo]

Again, I'm talking about the time it takes to unload the charge of the alt-fire, not the time it takes to quell

[teal needle]

I use it to back up the surge staff sometimes because there's not a whole lot better in hordes. I think dueling sword is broadly better tho

[lethal plover]

yes! flame anyone trying to reach you when you're unloading

what do you think I was referring to

it's more agile and safer than surge for me when I'm surrounded by a horde. one swipe and everyone is staggered back and my team gets a breather

[lethal plover]

it's okay but why would you give up on force sword infinite dodge + blocking bullet + free force push.

[subtle flame]

can force sword block bullets?

[jovial quail]

Lacerate Knife kiting gang

[frail geyser]

dont forget the forbidden fs chain

[lethal plover]

with deflector perk yes

[frail geyser]

light>heavy>push

[jovial quail]

Its so fucking good lmao

[frail geyser]

'fs has no horde clear' etc etc

[teal needle]

Voidstrike kills stuff so fast I just tank toughness damage and recover like 50 toughness with each shot with voidstrike, it's such a good blunt instrument

[lethal plover]

force sword solves the survival issue for psyker which is nice

[subtle flame]

how do you do infinite dodge?

[teal needle]

I still don't have a good tanking force sword ;-----;

[frail geyser]

it doesnt have inf dodge anymore

it just has good dodge and dodge cd

[subtle flame]

i mean on xbox so it might

[native thorn]

staff dependant imo

But yeah given that you like purg, FS is 100% best

[lethal plover]

dodge limit: unlimited last time I checked. which patch changed this

[frail geyser]

steam patch so you might be behind if gamepass

i play with it all the time and its def got a normal dodge cd time

but its still good enough to dodgelside everywhere lol

[summer sonnet]

bruh whats the point in asking for help with penances in LFG if no one ever hits you up ._.

[native thorn]

Dueling sword gigadodge is pretty nice too to be fair

[regal raft]

You gotta be cool to get picked

[twin wing]

how i felt trying to get anyone and their dog to do zealots 1 wound in 20 minute penance

[lethal plover]

I'm on steam

[twin wing]

he is steam

[lethal plover]

too late

dodge limit is unlimited

[twin wing]

never late for a good time

[frail geyser]

Thats weird cus they mentioned it in the patch notes about changing dodge universally

Oh well lol

With fatshark who knows

[lethal plover]

It was knife that got nerfed

[summer sonnet]

anyone able to help with getting malleus monstronum and cliffhanger?

[twin wing]

im ingame and fs has unlimited

[candid hawk]

🥲 it rolled just under 500

[native thorn]

Friendly reminder not to toss psybolts at mauler heads

[twin wing]

does repeated hit mean it resets when u hit something else?

[nova shard]

Cliffhanger was very situational for me. I had many runs where nothing got set up well, then one run where there was a dormant horde right next to a ledge

[proud sierra]

I just need to do a repair mission and thats it.

[echo parrot]

Still a damn nice roll. 376 stats on a fs is great

[lethal plover]

unfortunately no deflector

[bright cipher]

deflector is not a MORE DMG perk

[echo parrot]

Dont need deflector when you got this :V

[bright cipher]

thus its bad

[echo parrot]

Cant hit what you can aim at

Lol

[night marten]

eh

[native thorn]

I might be wrong since I don't actually FS too much

But it should still be solid without deflection, just played differently

[echo parrot]

Declection is just a nice oh shit button

[lethal plover]

when you get gunned down by a line of gunmen you remember why didn't I take deflector

[echo parrot]

Makes it to where you dont have to worry about playing around ranged as much

[native thorn]

oh aye defs

[shadow quail]

Still no deflector for me 😦

[native thorn]

Honestly though, psyker equiv to sienna bolt staff when

pls Fatshark

[loud violet]

Same 😔

Playing what's 'optimal' in a premade is something a curse in solo que

Cant expect people to play as you want them to

[shadow quail]

Good alternative is to spam surge using animation cancel, they'll be too stunned to shoot

[native thorn]

Actually, what kinda stuff are y'all hoping psykers get in the future magic wise?

Something doombolt-esque could be cool

[loud violet]

Your veteran might be doing melee only, your zealot might be doing nothing but flamethrowering

[frail spire]

what do u think is best for t5 pugs? void or surge

[native thorn]

Charge a projectile flurry

[native thorn]

kinda both, depends on the dice roll lmao

[night marten]

I haven't tried it, but is anyone having a lot of success with void in t5? I feel like surge and purge would be better

[native thorn]

Surge is probs better if you get a decent team

[cobalt tartan]

is force sword or mkv axe better for taking down specials?

[long wharf]

force sword

[native thorn]

force sword special heavy is an actual nuke

Delivered directly to their internal organs

Speak for yourself, I was just declared high chancellor of the republic

[twin wing]

optimally lacking iq

[lavish cipher]

i can't wait for heretic psykers brain bursting you in cover

[lethal plover]

both are good for killing elites tbh, just used differently. Axe can kill elites within a horde just by spamming while you're dancing around the horde. Force requires you to take some risk and god helps you if your special lands on a poxwalker. Though with peril block your best bet is to run around

[loud violet]

I kinda want heretic psykers

[static epoch]

that's where i am at too gewl

[bright cipher]

grinding last few lvls to 30 and i actually had enjoyable heresy run where not a single teammate was a glue sniffer

[night marten]

I'm in love with the aesthetics and feel of it, very much biases my opinion

[runic hornet]

yeah heresy is getting shat up pretty fast on the weekend

i had two vets try and perch on high ground getting owned by like 20 riflemen

[loud violet]

I feel like the purge staff is incredibly stat dependent, if you want to do good with it having high warp resistance seem p important

[runic hornet]

I dropped to get a corner to fight from

[static epoch]

heresy is harder than damnation today lol for me

[loud violet]

so you can actually continuously flamethrower

[runic hornet]

they die alone then blame me for "being out of position"

[icy harbor]

I am sad 😦

[runic hornet]

it's heresy bro you cannot just facetank riflemen like that

[native thorn]

I don't necessarily think it's bad, I just think surg/void fill more useful niches

[bright cipher]

feels good doing 1 heresy mission and getting a full lvl

+16% bonus xp rocks

[loud violet]

Most of my teams collapse when someone rushes ahead and a 2nd person goes down trying to save their dumbass

[runic hornet]

this

if someone goes down out of position

let them fucking die

[bright cipher]

classic

[twin wing]

im surprised you arent getting teammates trying to do the 1 wound 20 minutes penance and rushing into a horde of enemeies and dying

all i get

[lethal plover]

what's your problem that you are facing?

[left heath]

do you guys think theyll buff the scaling on BB or let the class forever rot like they did with Sienna

[loud violet]

There's also the opposite where you have one dude that decides to rambo everything instead of picking up anyone / removing a single net.

[runic hornet]

let sienna rot
bro, beam staff exists

bolt staff exists

[native thorn]

beloved bolt staff

emperor bless me with one

[night marten]

if early soulflame stack gets a buff it will be nice, with a less-rampy damage increase on further stacks to stop it from being op

[native thorn]

headshot sfx off the bolt staff arrows was just chefs kiss

so satisfying

[loud violet]

https://tenor.com/view/tomska-fuck-yeah-smoke-nervous-gif-14218977

Surely this time

[static epoch]

yes, nice. new store loot.

[native thorn]

The inquisition has delivered another gacha roll siblings

[static epoch]

maybe I will see a force sword over 310, for the first time. in 40 tries.

[lavish cipher]

bb is still powerfull 3 burst can kill anything, so your teamates making damages lead you to one or two or is there something i don't know? on damnation difficulty i only tried in the meat grinder it was still very powerfull

[native thorn]

It'd make it stronger but I kinda like the ramping overall

It means you have to focus flame for real damage

And can't just sweep hordes to kill em

[summer sonnet]

im just out here trying to get the regular explosion staff O_o

[lethal plover]

just use BB for bomber sniper and trapper. if you can do that you will save your team.

bomber being the most important

[shadow quail]

I just surge it

[lethal plover]

bomber is often very far away

[static epoch]

the most important is carapace head armor

[lethal plover]

psyker just needs line of sight once

[native thorn]

headpop is clutch for momber tbh

[loud violet]

what dis

is this movement

[tender cipher]

Bomber is usually at an awkward angle and can always manage to thread grenades through any gap.

[echo parrot]

Press V to sinepct the weapon and then hover over it

[lavish cipher]

i was pleasantly surprised when first playing psyker that you can burst at the other side of the map, it is truly the sniper killer

[native thorn]

the amount of wasted psybolts is immense lol

[loud violet]

oh it's

attack speed

i c

[lavish cipher]

damage on weak spot or something

[static epoch]

big heavy head armor dudes are the most tanky and almost every weapon and combo needs help with it

from the other classes

[frail geyser]

Crushers or maulers

[manic birch]

🤔 So, curious health or toughness? or something else?

[native thorn]

generally toughness

[bright cipher]

stack wounds and then overload on purpose

[fading jewel]

xD

[bright cipher]

ez horde clear

[junior ruin]

unless they are behind a chain link fence

[tropic halo]

honestly

[manic birch]

I do that already with surge xD

[tropic halo]

kinda hoping they never fix that helmet bug

[lavish cipher]

5 brain burst do the trick

[echo parrot]

I keep seeing people with the big helmet glitch and have no idea how to replicate it myself

[lethal plover]

there is never enough horde clearing tbh. I once had 3 people doing the flaming job and it's like there's no zombie at all. if you don't agree you can choose not to do the horde clearing job, but once your runs end with enemies over-running you, you will remember you could have used a flame staff

[hearty dagger]

So i found out about something pretty funny

[tender cipher]

You can jump up and down and maybe you'll lock on.

[bright cipher]

ive tactically exploded myself more than once to clear a horde and save my team no cap

[manic birch]

Toughness n wounds 📝

[lavish cipher]

damn fences

[junior ruin]

still preety inconsistent though. chain link fences are the truest protection from the warp

[mellow yarrow]

You can clear hordes with surge

I only play fives and I only use surge

It isn't a problem

Void does flames job better anywat

[gray kelp]

the emperor's gift missions have to be bugged or something, no gifts 7 missions in a row

[lethal plover]

nah, void only does it when enemies are controlled in a line

[summer prairie]

it takes an hour to clear a horde with surge only

[lethal plover]

the investigation arena is an example where you need 180 degree coverage

[lavish cipher]

but just a pox hit and all your charging is lost, quite tricky considering the limited range

[mellow yarrow]

You can create lines yourself

[static epoch]

stand in the right spot and only stagglers will reach your team mates

[mellow yarrow]

Maybe it's years of vermintide 2 but I suspect people just don't know how to melee dance

[gilded viper]

Pick N Mix makes me want to rip my hair out

[frail geyser]

Ppl with bad defense/movement/positioning over value horde clear imo

[ornate hamlet]

such a bad penance

[lethal plover]

now it goes straight to insults eh

[native thorn]

It's also a pretty unique mechanic to the series and I think a lot of general "4 man co-op" players picked up darktide

[summer prairie]

you don't even get stuck in a horde in this game unlike in v2

[frail geyser]

Im not specifically targeting anyone

[lethal plover]

freeing up the horde allows the vet to kill the gunmen which is what I need

[frail geyser]

Is just a misperception ofnthe game

[gilded viper]

I made a forum post talking about how shit the penances are. You should comment/like it to artificially increase it's value and get the penances made doable. https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/if-the-class-penances-were-intended-to-display-skill-and-or-teamwork-they-dont/65616

[lethal plover]

right, people thinking surge can horde clear don't even understand the game. I'm not targeting anyone. just misperception

not you

[frail geyser]

^

Neither did I

[lethal plover]

scroll up

[frail geyser]

It can block hordes in chokepoints

[mellow yarrow]

I am not saying surge will clear a horde itself

[frail geyser]

And a controlled horde is a dead horde

[mellow yarrow]

I am saying surge will provide the opportunity to do so

[frail geyser]

^

[loud violet]

I won the ogryn lottery

[native thorn]

That said, surge is a little better at horde clear than people might initially think

[loud violet]

not a jackpot but still

[hearty dagger]

Tbf crowd control for hordes is less important than just killing the horde imo, since if they're just dead that means everyone else can focus on more important things like trappers and such.

[native thorn]

You damage more enemies than just the ones who get lightninged

[native thorn]

If you have a surge trappers aren't dangerous lol

just zap

[summer prairie]

surge is horrible against infested enemies but ok against scabs

[hearty dagger]

If you can dodge they're also not dangerous

[mellow yarrow]

Or just surge/force sword attack cancel

[hearty dagger]

Unless you dodge into another fucking trapper.

[mellow yarrow]

Always know where the walls are

[robust meteor]

thats when you hee'd instead of haw'd

[native thorn]

at that point it's the emperor's will that you be tied down and you should accept it

[lethal plover]

Yeah, I learned to dodge like the instant there's a sound even if I don't know where the trapper is

[hearty dagger]

The emperor told me to lie the fuck down and take it like a good psyker.

[hearty dagger]

Honestly, that's what i do and wish most people would do as well. Just dodge when you hear the sound cue. Doesn't matter if you see it or not. Best case scenario, you dodged it, worst case scenario, you dodged.

[lethal plover]

I play with camo expert and XII / agrippina and I always prefer horde to die. that allows ogryn and zealots to do other things as well

[echo parrot]

Its so comical solo-tanking a daemon host with a knife.

[mellow yarrow]

Yeah that's an understated disadvantage of the purge staff

I'd prefer my sight

[lethal plover]

psyker?

[echo parrot]

Yep

[summer prairie]

only during some events slow horde clear can be annoying

[lethal plover]

getting overrun is pretty common especially for heresy endless

[native thorn]

I get that, but in most loadouts ogryn and zealots are just better at murdering hordes than us

[mellow yarrow]

Primarily due to bad positioning

[bright cipher]

so whats the reason youd want a psyker on the team?

[mellow yarrow]

Control

[native thorn]

Psyker has more utility than any other class in the game

[lethal plover]

do you even play this game ?

[mellow yarrow]

We have utility and control

More so than anyone else

[idle bay]

Observation: after levelling Psyker 30 and playing him for a while i switched to play Veteran. After levelling Veteran to 30 and playing alongside quite a number of psykers i noticed that if Psyker does not use Lightning staff or really good with Void staff he is kraking dead weight...... Sadly. Now i'm back to playing psyker.

[bright cipher]

no i just like talking to obnoxious idiots on discord

[lethal plover]

sounds like you are here to troll instead of having anything to say

[bright cipher]

so surge staff and keep the gunners stunned?

[hasty torrent]

You guys won’t meet at a target parking lot at 2am and fight

[mellow yarrow]

Void works as well

[native thorn]

void for murder

[native thorn]

You can also grab clutch stuns on flanks your teammates don't notice and the like

surge staff lets you prevent a ton of damage

[echo parrot]

A psyker with the a fast melee and the right perks can hold off a horde entirely on their own.

[native thorn]

Also stuns poxbursters without doing enough damage to blow them up

Easy to build distance

[runic hornet]

rifles are easily the #1 leading cause of death

[bright cipher]

yeah thats what im thinking, void is more fun and surge is better (when you have competent teamates)

[runic hornet]

in heresy+

[mellow yarrow]

Eh void is debatable

[runic hornet]

rifles and people just fucking ignoring them

[warm matrix]

Zapping away bursters is so satisfying. Just like "BEGONE".

[mellow yarrow]

I prefer surge

[stoic pendant]

Lol

[mellow yarrow]

But void is powerful

[frail geyser]

Surge is super high apm

Doesnt slow tlyou down

[hoary cairn]

I use force sword and zapping staff what are usually the best abilities with that?

[frail geyser]

Lots of switching to melee

[runic hornet]

void staff is the best hybridization of "blows up horde" "but can still kill the occasional rifle when your team is FUCKING IGNORING them"

[stoic pendant]

I hate it when surge hits everything besides the guy right in front of me.

[frail geyser]

Im always schmovin

[mellow yarrow]

Surge has more utility

[lethal plover]

you said very well the idea of awareness. When you are dancing around a horde, you sometimes lose attention to specials and others behind you or far away. The horde is mainly to distract you. It gets better with skill, but the number of people who gets downed by a special when they're focused on melee, is too many

[bright cipher]

i feel like peril build up with surge is so fast

[mellow yarrow]

Which i prefer

[idle bay]

Also Force Sword with Deflection and Quelll for Block and you can cosplay an Ogryn with a shield for a while 🙂 And that's pretty much it.... Sadly. I wanted more option more synergy ... or actually working useful Soulfire build. But not....

[echo parrot]

Im rgeatly enjoying that knife I posted earlier, what I cant block I just spam dodge.. outside of ranged that is

[stoic pendant]

I tried the knife and boy does it make you quick. Downside is ya can't quell peril with it like the force sword.

[lethal plover]

dueling sword is now faster

[native thorn]

Which is why you hang behind your teammates managing the horde and zap any specials that threaten em

[shadow quail]

But it'll quell it quicker just having it out

[runic hornet]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/KS0bX9HJ4GCJF/d1337b944cca?invite=cr-MSxxOXYsNDg2MDU3NTUs please don't use the knife
if you have to, at least using the dueling sword

[stoic pendant]

Just got a good dueling sword I'm about to play with.

[harsh cobalt]

I don't trust yall. You are a strange bunch. This message is sponsored by the vet gang. Also, one more time I see one of you with a recon lasgun on heresy....I will write another strongly worded message in this channel.

[native thorn]

Miss more shots on doggos nerd

[idle bay]

Yeah.. knifes are lovely little things that blew away players mind with a mobility they provide 🙂

[lethal plover]

whenever there is an idea of a backline, that means there's nothing to worry about. like zealot with flamer just flames in one direction while we relax.

[twin wing]

@runic hornet only time your use combat knife is if it has lacerate on zealot

[harsh cobalt]

if I had a dollar every time I have to pick one of you up after your brains are fried, I'd have like 12 dollars now

[grizzled shoal]

sharpshooters are so mean, they always shoot whoever im trying to brain burst

[native thorn]

Never blown up

[runic hornet]

even on zealot+lacerate, it still lacks horde killing power compared to a basic catachan sword

[stoic pendant]

I love blowing up

[orchid dirge]

i was curious about the knife, till now

[native thorn]

Also you're welcome for the target painting on dark maps, no need to thank me

[runic hornet]

Knife has so little killing power it's absurd

even if you hit heads

[harsh cobalt]

all the targets I need to see I can see through walls

[runic hornet]

(also have fun trying to kill helmet scabs)

[mellow yarrow]

Lmao

[lethal plover]

I think it's just one of those weapons that the better you get at movement the more you love

[native thorn]

decent players usually move to herd a horde

[runic hornet]

no, the better I got at movement, the more i hated the knife

faster sprint speed is practically a placebo effect

you either kill the horde or you don't

guess what the second usually leads to

[warm matrix]

How do I make this peddler sell me something besides guns?! For the love of the emperor all my staves are still in the early 200s!

[runic hornet]

(death)

[shadow quail]

Hope

[warm matrix]

PLEASE

[harsh cobalt]

but seriously, stop capping with lasguns. It was funny first few times, getting old now. Love ya, weirdos. Cheers

[spiral remnant]

yo...

[twin wing]

trying to use a small single target knife against horde clear, playing yourself

[stoic pendant]

Check every hour lol

[night marten]

fatshark, why you offer so many guns to psyerks

[warm matrix]

why did they do this

[lethal plover]

https://youtu.be/qSRuEmsDWb4
clutch play with knife at start is a good example

[warm matrix]

why did they choose violence

[spiral remnant]

why is it 153? someone slid in an extra 10 rating

[proud sierra]

pick n mix and waiting for the repair heresy to pop up is taking over my life. I hate these penances lol

[orchid dirge]

melk shop should have higher chance to contain 370-380 change my mind

[stoic pendant]

Same

[orchid dirge]

bullshit weapons

[runic hornet]

i'm a fan of chocoB
He could have done the same with most any other weapon (ledgeplay is the real kicker here, not hte dodges/sprint speed)

ledgeplay is classic vermintide strats

[summer sonnet]

it annoys tf outta me that the compelte 1 of every mission thing doesnt list what ones you have left

[tender pagoda]

Is soulblaze build viable?

[runic hornet]

I'm honestly laughing that it took him this long to discover the mg12, he said that he literally never saw one until his most recent vid

[steep iron]

Can anyone confirm for sure if the Psyker gets the Chainaxe at all?

[vast oasis]

no

[runic hornet]

psyker does not get hcainaxe, only sword

[steep iron]

dang, I appreciate it 🙂

[orchid dirge]

i would say its viable if you play around bb since you gain charges pretty fast with that build but bb is weak right now so, yea draw your own conclusions

[lethal plover]

player skill is often then the determinant. Though if we assume a perfectly skilled player then a lot of weird strats also become viable

[teal needle]

The Heresy pug queue is a lot less painful the last couple days

[shadow quail]

is vet toughness still bugged? thought it was fixed but friend is moaning about it

[lethal plover]

fixed. your friend is whining

[tidal elm]

shouldn't be

unless there is some weird interaction with grims and toughness

[lethal plover]

peril block + force sword with deflector + purgatus + ascendant blaze with 6 stacks + psychic communion

[long wharf]

you'll have to define "viable"

[orchid dirge]

i think viable refers to viable in heresy+

[lethal plover]

obviously

[long wharf]

soulblaze the dot is lackluster

purge is good for horde clears

[ornate hamlet]

which is why dedicated horde clear is also important, even good players need to do something about 500 poxwalkers in their face

dead horde sooner = dead specials/elites sooner

[lethal plover]

you aren't gonna kill things in one second. you are gonna stagger them and see the horde go down after a few seconds. staggering is the first goal, then killing

[ornate hamlet]

flamer or purgatus does both simultaneously

[stoic pendant]

It's hard to surge specials/elites when there's 80 poxwalkers in front of them.

[ornate knot]

Just had a game with an actual endless horde. After we started an early event the enemies never stopped coming. Felt like we were dragging out feet through mud because we could move in small intervals between attacking the oncoming heretics. Has anyone had that happen to them yet?

[long wharf]

and flamer does it better

[orchid dirge]

this is why i dislike bolter, the weapon switch is kinda slow

[tender pagoda]

why 6 charges and not 4 stack of fire onto elite?

[spiral remnant]

I'm surprised at how little people use voidstrike

it's great for clearing out hordes

[vast oasis]

did you get a double boss spawn as well?

[bold maple]

that’s cause people arent used to it yet

[spiral remnant]

and personally I think it does a better job of crowd control than surge

[ornate knot]

No bosses. no

[stoic pendant]

I love voidstrike.

[lethal plover]

I will be honest, blaze is good when you apply it to AoE. For single target, it's rather negligible. the group staggering is the most important property of flame staff and ascendant blaze, not the DoT (though killing helps)

[vast oasis]

ive had this happen with double boss, i dont know what caused it

[stoic pendant]

I haven't found a good voidstrike staff yet though.

[ornate hamlet]

surge smart targets so the effective cc is often superior to what void can do

[tender cipher]

That's normal for endless horde.

[ornate knot]

I thought endless horde actually stood for Increased specials and enemies

[twin wing]

inner tranquility or psykinetics wrath

[ornate knot]

At least thats what happened before

[lethal plover]

welcome to heresy. one run of mine took 51 minutes and during the course of reviving my team mates I had to fight 3 hordes and 2 or 3 plague ogryns

[ornate knot]

They even fixed the naming to Hi-intensity encounters

[ornate knot]

This was on malice.

[lethal plover]

the people responsible for containing them
Are you running with pubs or j_sat ?

I have not seen this mythical ogryn who can completely contain a horde

[lethal plover]

oh well, it gets harder

malice can be done at level 10 but heresy is like near max

for comfortable clear anyway

[celest phoenix]

well that was amusing 4 psykers on Torment - cleared it just took a while two void one surge one purg

[warm matrix]

Ah yes, the blue deck of strike teams

[lethal plover]

what is torment?

[celest phoenix]

T4 - i'm tired

[lethal plover]

heresy

[celest phoenix]

that's the badger

[bright cipher]

what does a blue hitmarker mean?

[lethal plover]

You know it's funny they ask us for colored uniforms at the start when we just go red eventually

[grizzled shoal]

blocked by armor

these bolter sharpshooters keep shooting the dudes im tryna brain burst

[fading jewel]

ive been pushing half a dozen or more off ledges for the last 3 missions and it doesnt track, are they like not dying enough , i got to 6/7 w/o trying and now that im trying to get it done it wont track

[grizzled shoal]

cant have warp charges in detroit

[grizzled shoal]

try the one on the mission where you defend the thing on the bridge

[bright cipher]

fuck that penance its so buggy

[unique zinc]

purgatus staff mains... is this staff worth picking up?

[bright cipher]

yes lol

purgatus with supression

is goated cc

[onyx current]

recently started leveling a psyker, is force sword any good>

[night marten]

yes, if you want to main purge staff

[lethal plover]

Suppression is only for ranged enemies

[bright cipher]

the perk doesnt actually work the way its written

[onyx current]

i tried it and it felt weird idk

[loud violet]

Better than my purge staves

idk if I'd use my coins for it tho

[grizzled shoal]

its a chainsword for magic people

[stoic pendant]

Yes

[grizzled shoal]

its like a chainsword without the crowd control

also the block can block bullets i think

[loud violet]

Only with the deflector blessing

which we long for

[stoic pendant]

Yes

[grizzled shoal]

i wish for

[fading jewel]

which one?

[grizzled shoal]

the one where you have to go around and fix the skulls

[onyx current]

hmm ok gonna just snag up the diff staffs and see if I like any

surge force feels good cc but not amazing damage

[night marten]

only buy if you want to main purge *and don't have anything with better base stats

[stoic pendant]

The tree one with the servo skull. There's a good spot when you are running to the extraction point.

[grizzled shoal]

i dont understand how people think psyker is weak

[night marten]

otherwise you're going to feel like you wasted coins

[stoic pendant]

That's where I got my cliffhanger penance

[onyx current]

i just wanna see how the diff staffs play tbh

[edgy heart]

So what does fully charging the lightning staff do? More dmg?

[warm matrix]

There's a period of levels where all your staves have shit stats and all the other classes seem like they can do what you can but better.

[grizzled shoal]

palpatine gameplay

[night marten]

you should really try the staff out before dumping ~2 weeks worth of coins into one

lots of people do not like playing with purge staff

[grizzled shoal]

i wish ogryn had a two handed

hammer or something

aggh im turning into an ogryn

[stoic pendant]

I think they are supposed to get a power hammer or something

[edgy heart]

Anyone knows?

[stoic pendant]

More damage I believe

[warm matrix]

The ogryn power maul was in the trailers before they released.

[grizzled shoal]

yea but its only one handed

[brave vale]

How do I level my shops item level? I've been buying the highest available weapon score but it doesnt seem to be increasing

[grizzled shoal]

probably will be like a chainsword for ogryns

[edgy heart]

It should be increasing lol

[warm matrix]

Still pining for the 2-handed force sword from the trailers...

[unique zinc]

actually what I should have asked is if the staff on the left is much of an upgrade over the staff on the right:

[devout axle]

Imagine what it was like for those of us who got it when you needed 20 kills for it ...

[night marten]

some people mentioned watermarking or something, but I feel like it doesn't matter after you hit 30. just depends on your current level. someone please correct me if I'm wrong

[brave vale]

no

[unique zinc]

don't really know how to assess the stat spread on purge staffs because I main surge

[loud violet]

I'm still waiting for a purge staff with

70%+ on all stats

[brave vale]

judging from what people told me, the one on left is shit because of its damage%

[night marten]

barely

definitely not worth the coin investment considering you already have the one on the right

[echo parrot]

Rate my knife after max consecration

[loud violet]

Good stats

Mid blessings

[unkempt wadi]

broo i nearly had the monstrosity penance done but a second horde spawned and wiped us all at range

sobbing rn

[wide quest]

Seeing people complain about 7 just pains me

[grizzled shoal]

birmingham veteran

[unkempt wadi]

it was at like 5% health

[unique zinc]

yeah, that's my basic guess as well, but I'm not sure damage is as important a stat on purge vs something like burn (max stacks and stacking speed)

[long wharf]

yep

[grizzled shoal]

i dont understand the special attack on combat axe

[night marten]

it matters, but I'm telling you to definitely not invest 2700 coins into that staff considering what you already have

[wide quest]

You don't need to understand it, nor will you ever use it

Same goes to plenty of other special attacks on other melee weapons

[near wyvern]

It's a stronger stagger for little damage but the question is why would you CC when you can just kill

[grizzled shoal]

they look cool tho

[unique zinc]

sweet, thanks for the advice! I'll wait for a better roll

[fiery zodiac]

wym that penance is easy 😎

[wide quest]

That's the problem

[devout axle]

Because staggering a Mauler or Rager interrupts their attacks.

[loud violet]

wake up honey

[night marten]

considering your current staff, don't settle for anything less than 360 base stats

[near wyvern]

Killing it also stops all their future attacks

[devout axle]

But if you don't kill it in that hit, you are going to get hit for a ton of damage.

Spend one click to stagger it, and then you can safely finish it off.

[stoic pendant]

Surge stun then force sword special it

[next aurora]

day 5 on no force

[near wyvern]

If you are in a position where you can't kill them, it means there are a shit ton of lil guys which will slap you on the floor if you go for the special. In that case you should have blocked and dodged.

[bright cipher]

1 more heresy mission and im 30

[next aurora]

sword or

[bright cipher]

we made it

those xp curios rly put in the work

[edgy heart]

this shot literally gives me fortnite vibes XD

[warm matrix]

???

[bright cipher]

bro u bought out the cash shop and special edition at lvl 8

[devout axle]

You realize that a single axe heavy doesn't one-shot a Mauler or a Rager, right? If they are already in an attack animation, you can press special to stagger it, giving you time for MULTIPLE follow up swings. And saves time vs dodging away, then walking back up to them.

[loud violet]

Toilet helmet sibling.

[edgy heart]

yeah? i had 2500 in the account

it costs 2400

[wide quest]

I only bought the helmet

[warm matrix]

still trying to decide on which set to get with my free funbucks

[wide quest]

It was the only thing I wanted

[burnt rampart]

Has Sienna’s eye colour been added to the barber yet

[wide quest]

Since the first day of release

[burnt rampart]

Huh

I’ll have to check

[edgy heart]

do i keep the cosmetics if i make a new psyker? or is bonded to this one xD

[burnt rampart]

I think I only have Cadian ones