psyker-class

[candid temple]

and maybe you get deflect...

[zinc phoenix]

Too bad warp charges don’t give you a speed boost too

[noble ridge]

Guys can someone tell me what happened

[sleek crystal]

first 380 i got 🙂 lucky

[noble ridge]

[mild lotus]

When the inherent abilities of the class feel like they're feats from the feat tree while some of the feats feel like they're inherent to the class from the get go, you know you messed up your design.

[tender cipher]

Warp charges are whack and so are the dots from soulfire or whatever, needs a way larger damage boost

[devout axle]

Trauma actually DOES feel really good to use. But its held back by its extremely high peril cost. You gain peril incredibly quickly while charging it, and the cost to actually cast it is almost double that of other staves. If they reduced its overall cost, Trauma would be in a fine place imo.

[wide quest]

It's still the same, don't worry. Or well, do worry?

[noble ridge]

Oh

Okay cool

Nah my friends wanna do heresy but

I’m not doin that til I can pop hound

Malice w more hordes works for me

[tender cipher]

Yeah I dislike how high the peril cost is to use it.

[tight saddle]

Heresy is easy with randoms, it'll be even easier coordinating with friends.

[wide quest]

I just wack the shit out of hounds with my axe or dueling sword

[candid temple]

trauma is insane compared to conflag staff from vt2 tbh

[noble ridge]

Not about difficulty, it’s about how chill I can be while playing a game lol

[candid temple]

in terms of peril cost

[magic hull]

is this a good feat for deflector perk?

[worthy wasp]

Soulfire? Garbage. BB? Meh. Warp Charges? A bitch to keep up w/o BB.

Staffs + Melee? 11/10.

Psyker has the foundation of a great career, cant wait til we get more classes so that we can utilize it to its full potential

[mild lotus]

the better one would be quietude imo, even more so if you use a staff

[devout axle]

I, for one, have fallen onto the Quietude train. And I don't believe I will get off any time soon.

[trail forge]

They haven't touched BB at all.
It's also come to light that our entire class was nerfed from Closed beta test so BB used to charge a lot faster and didn't cost nearly as much perils but hedge didn't like the spam mechanic so they nerfed BB to what we know now only all the feats for our class are setup with the old BB in mind so our class is essentially incredibly awkward in that it's not actually where it should be and the integral main mechanic that allows it to function isn't what the class was designed around.

[worthy wasp]

Rework the class tbqh

[noble ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-crying-walter-dying-gif-20964719

[zinc phoenix]

It by far the best toughness trait because you can passively and actively get warp charges

[noble ridge]

So I could be immensely stronger you mean

[sleek crystal]

My playstyle with Psyker on Herasy+ is, Spam Voidstrike secondary from the back line, force sword anything that comes up from behind, force sword big normal hordes in cramped spaces and Psykinetic's Wratch + BB Spam for the duration of Kinetic Barage on bigger enemies/bosses and finish them with force sword specials. Is that a good strategy?

[spice oar]

PLEASE, I don't want to be a cc bit when I KNOW sienna could crack ass back in V2

[zinc phoenix]

Tbf i really wouldn’t enjoy the class if “spam BB all the time” was the gameplay loop. That’s tedious as heck. BB should be supremely high impact and infrequent

[trail forge]

We could be more useful on hazard 4 and 5 than what we actually are right now

[noble ridge]

Oh yeah from what I’ve heard it’s just making the bb above h3 useless

Or

Difficulty 3? Is it hazard? I thought that’s as deep rock

[spice oar]

Too bad its slow and dosent kill anything on heresy and above before your vet does

[trail forge]

It doesn't sound good no but to change a fundamental mechanic of the class and then not rebalanced or change the feats to compensate and take the class in another direction is heinous

[gray quarry]

Useful only for crushers and bulwarks in D4+

[autumn marten]

that would be Malice for diff 3

[spice oar]

Not to sound rude sibling btw

[tidal elm]

i like the idea of BB damage being continuous and the total dmg being distributed across the channel time

[edgy cedar]

even then better off using force sword smites

[devout axle]

Kinetic Barrage actually makes BB decent for taking out Elites in Haz4.
Which is to say, Kinetic Barrage is just a bandaid to the fundamental problem that BB has.

[gray quarry]

Range though

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah no disagree on that

[little aurora]

Definitely sounds solid. It's very similar to what I do currently and have found great success with it

[edgy cedar]

they'll come closer eventually

😛

[magic hull]

hmnm, this lemme try this for purgatory + force sword build

[trail forge]

Its technically like malice and whatever but I'm a DRG guy so it's hazard levels

[spice oar]

That definitely would feel better to use, quick bursts of low dmg before the big hit?

[mild lotus]

The more I think about it, the more it seems to be that essence harvest is a false good idea as a feat choice.

You have the choice between generating "shield" out of your hurtful resource(peril) making the downtime of your major weapons still useful and making quelling a favorable thing to do, or spending about 3-4 seconds casting a pitiful spell that stops one shotting half the special enemies in the game after diff 4, forcing you to waste the cast on a random melee enemie and putting you at 45% peril that you'll have to quell and gain nothing from, all that for just 30% toughness over the span of 5 seconds that you'll have to add on top of the time it took for you to cast bb.

[tidal elm]

yea dmg would increase as cast increases

[edgy cedar]

I see little reason to not use ascendent if you are using a purge

[tidal elm]

total dmg across would stay the same or change

[mild lotus]

And it doesn't even stack with itself meaning you have to wait even more to gain more "shield" from it again.

[noble ridge]

Rock and stone

[trail forge]

ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE

[autumn marten]

Rock and Stone!

[spice oar]

Yeah prob a little buff to dmg but not too much, just wanna be able to one shot dogs like my boltor vet. Well more like one burst them, it's faster anyways

[edgy cedar]

I mea BB suffers from the same problems as all damaging class abilities. They do not have a scaler. Grenade builds for vet suffer from this as well. Nades stop hurting as much because mobs HP increases, but nades damage stays the same.
This is because the game has no HP like mechanic

[plush tendon]

STONE AND ROCK

[trail forge]

What we need is ogryn grenade box feat

[magic hull]

stack soublaze isn't that much of an huge game change for me

[devout axle]

But you see, nades have utilities beyond damage. BB doesn't.

[edgy cedar]

Doesnt change the answer lol

[spice oar]

You'd think they'd add that

[zinc phoenix]

But you get warp charge on kill and BB with the F skill perk that makes it quick allows you to kill three mobs and regen your toughness to max

[trail forge]

Ogryn throws a box of grenades at people but it doesn't explode unless you take a feat

[teal cargo]

does the screen at the end of a mission mean anything?

[edgy cedar]

its more getting basically instant 4 stacks from any flame-throwing

[teal cargo]

like left to rigth more green circles?

[tender cipher]

BB does stagger so that actually matters a bit

[wide quest]

No no that's not the main takeaway of that feat, it's the 10% to get warp charges

[edgy cedar]

lol no

[teal cargo]

😢

[shut swallow]

Wait does purge staff count as soulblaze?

[mild lotus]

yeah that or you just use regularly your staff and quell back all your toughness WITHOUT spending your F

[edgy cedar]

Soulblaze is ANY DoT flame effect

Purge causes it

[spice oar]

Ye

[edgy cedar]

Soublaze is just "mage fire"

[devout axle]

Everything that creates blue fire is Soulburn.

[mild lotus]

there's very little debate possible to me, essence harvest is not good

[shut swallow]

Here I am using kinetic barrage with my only good staff being a purg lmao thank you guys

[zinc phoenix]

Ok well that doesn’t make you right, it just makes you closed minded 🤷‍♀️

[spice oar]

Np have fun burning heretics

[fast slate]

wait what is a good setupo with purge staff

[mild lotus]

I mean read what I said earlier

[edgy cedar]

Main issue is that my testing shows ascendent requires them to die from the DoT :/

which kinda sucks

[mild lotus]

warp charges are not that strong, using your f to recharge your toughness is dumb and inefficient

[long wharf]

are you sure? I've heard that the purge blast itself is also soulblaze damage

[spice oar]

I mean like none of yall are being forced to use the other

[zinc phoenix]

I did, and I disagree with it. I think quelling is dead time you could use to kill stuff and you have to burn another perk make yourself not suicidally stationary while doing it

[mild lotus]

meanwhile, quietude let's you regain toughness just by killing enemies normally

[edgy cedar]

it gives stacks of DoT for the effect, yes.

Direct damage? not sure

[mild lotus]

you just did kill stuff

that's why you're quelling

[shut thorn]

Are we still talking abt bb

[teal cargo]

I like Quieyude

it reliable

[mild lotus]

it's bound to it

[shut thorn]

Just grab the feats that give you charges on kill

[spice oar]

Not much to talk about sibling...

[devout axle]

You also passively quell just by existing.

[plush tendon]

I think you're overlooking that "quelling" is something that happens all the time. Not actively generating peril? You'll be passively quelling (faster with a FS out). Use your F ability? Just quelled 50%.
Procced the 10% chance to quell 10% on kill? Etc.

[teal cargo]

yea get up to full then pull out melee and go whack some people

[mild lotus]

yeah but better be quelling right away than wait for the "warp vapors" to go away on their own

[teal cargo]

Passive does too

[plush tendon]

Incorrect.

[untold kestrel]

if youre using void strike then the toughness on warp attack is faster

[zinc phoenix]

Only active quell gives you toughness the perk says so

[teal cargo]

anything that reduces peril gives toughness

[zinc phoenix]

And F key definitely does not give you toughness from peril

[wide quest]

Do you mean slower with a force sword out?

[teal cargo]

No perk says quelling gives toughness

F def does give toughness

[mild lotus]

quietude

[shut thorn]

It does w a feat

[shut swallow]

What constitutes "Critical Peril" in relation to Kinetic Flayer, is it 100% peril? Or any peril in the red

[plush tendon]

No, faster.

[mild lotus]

above 97%

[teal cargo]

Anything that reduces Peril gives toughness with quietude

[devout axle]

It does not say 'active' anywhere in the description. And it definitely regenerates from ALL quelled peril, even passive peril.

[sleek crystal]

What Blessing(s) are you guys running on your Curios?
I switched from Toughness to Max Health and feel much tankier. But I have a feeling that Wounds and Stamina could be better in a min-max build

[mild lotus]

toughness is better in almost every way

[wide quest]

So, your passive quelling speed is "faster" when you're holding a force sword is what I'm getting, correct?

[teal cargo]

I use wounds haha

[shut thorn]

80% p sure

[vernal imp]

I always rock at least a +1 wounds and a +max stamina if i'm solo, but with mates i take it off for 2 max health curios

[zinc phoenix]

If someone shows me a gif of it being done I’ll believe it, but I’ve literally never seen passive quell give back toughness with that perk in beta

[mild lotus]

no it's higher, i tested it

[edgy cedar]

I dont even think 3 stacked toughness curios even saves you from one more hit :/

working from 100 toughness kinda dog

[shut thorn]

81%

[zinc phoenix]

Because I too was like “ok this is basically loads of free toughness” but it sure as heck wasn’t

[sleek crystal]

I feel like replenishing toughness to 100% faster (because of smaller pool) is better for survivability thanks to not taking more damage bleed through tho

[mild lotus]

it's not about that, it's about the feats that kets you regen toughness

since these feats make you regen %toughness rather than toughness pts, them ore toughness max you have the more effective they become

[plush tendon]

Yep

[shut thorn]

Also ngl toughness on warp charge is better imo

[wide quest]

Yeah no that's bs, passive quelling speed is shit when you have a force sword out.

[vernal imp]

100 toughness is not great though, even with 2 + toughness curios the max you're gonna see is 150 which is pitiful in heresy+

[mild lotus]

But having more toughness means you'll have reduced damage for longer

[shut thorn]

Theres feats to get free charges easily

[teal cargo]

If anything passive quell speed is faster with non FS lol

[mild lotus]

• the regens are % so wahtever is you max, you'll get there as fast as ever

[edgy cedar]

+HP and +wounds go together very well in how long you'll stay standing in the long run however

[worn jewel]

Just had the worst 3 vet pre-made on Malice ever; when the psyker has to revive the veterans several times in the first 1/3 of Torrent...something has gone terribly wrong.

[round charm]

are any weapons good aside from force sword?

[zinc phoenix]

Also enemy incoming damage is fixed (relative to difficulty) while toughness regen is % based

[devout axle]

I mean, this is true. Passive quell is faster if you aren't using a Force weapon.

[edgy cedar]

and due to our own talents you are at 0% or 100% toughess basically all the time lol

[shut thorn]

Also you should get max health not toughness

[plush tendon]

Never said it was good - I said it's faster (than say having a staff out)

[gray kelp]

mk 5 axe is popular, mk 4 dueling sword is also good IMO

[teal cargo]

I like mk5 rapier

[gray kelp]

mk 5 sword*

[round charm]

i got a purple mkvii from emperor

wasnt sure if it was worth

[mild lotus]

ok then why?

[gray kelp]

4 also decent but I think 5 is better

[mild lotus]

I've been explaining why toughness seems better

[vernal imp]

there's a good tactical axe but forgot the variant

[mild lotus]

now tell us why health would be better

[shut thorn]

Because of grims

[raw breach]

Did Warp Absorption get fixed to work with Staff attacks yet?

[vernal imp]

health is way better when you aren't saving medkits for darktide 2

[mild lotus]

grims are %hp

• you don't do grim in diff 4 and above

[sleek crystal]

Suicide bombers 😛

[shut thorn]

• the extra toughness is a joke at damnation

[zinc phoenix]

Wounds more useful with grims than hp imo

[mild lotus]

• there are grims resist curios

[wide quest]

Well you could've at least specifically said so in your first statement my guy, because people would definitely assume what I assumed.

[sleek crystal]

they take a big chunk of HP withouth Max HP

[round charm]

this is the tac axe I got

[mild lotus]

hp as well then

[gray kelp]

honestly I don't think toughness counts for much. It gets evaporated instantly regardless as the base is so low and its better as a buffer to prevent bleed through, so toughness regen >> actual toughness

[edgy cedar]

you are at least working off 150 instead of 100 for HP

and interacts with how much HP you have per wound

[shut thorn]

No, youll just go down to 1

[candid hawk]

Yeah im bonus toughness on anything but ogryn

[mild lotus]

yay, give you 30 hp rather than 20 toughness

keep in mind toughness can be regenerated at any time almost while hp has to wait til the next medicae station or medi pak

[round charm]

i stack hp on my ogryn. got 460ish i think

[devout axle]

Because there are multiple things that break through Toughness instantly. Snipers, any form of fire damage, accidental explosions, Bursters.

[zinc phoenix]

Fair shout tbh

[devout axle]

All of these things break Toughness and deal their full damage to HP.

[edgy cedar]

and uh, who needs help regening toughness as a psy ker?

[vernal imp]

no matter how high you stack your toughness, your regen will always take the same time to regen to max due to it being percentage based, which is most important so you can tank a melee hit for free, health matters more higher level

[round charm]

isnt it better to do hp regardless because it the higher starting number?

[mild lotus]

You don't get hit by those any where as often as regular pew pew

[gray kelp]

also, max base for hp curio is +21% while max toughness seems to be +16%. That besides as someone has probably also said there's stuff that insta breaks toughness regardless

[devout axle]

You still get hit by them. And they are much more dangerous.

[edgy cedar]

regular pew pew is taking your toughness in one barrage regardless lol

[mild lotus]

I have a +17

[sleek crystal]

max is 25 / 20 i think?

[candid temple]

eh, only bombers are really problematic at times, rest you can 'git gud' and avoid.

[mild lotus]

also this

[edgy cedar]

then tough toughness and HP are pointless? lol

[austere burrow]

Mk 5 rapier is definitely the best one imo

[zinc phoenix]

The point about toughness breakers convinced me I’m on team HP now

[edgy cedar]

at this point just say "stop getting hit"

[mild lotus]

you side dodge sniper shots and flamers

[vernal imp]

also the assassination boss shield roar breaks toughness pretty sure, which is important for force sword users

[edgy cedar]

bro you even equip curios? smh

[tender cipher]

Side dodge or slide and melee

[austere burrow]

The other benefit of hp is that there are medicae stations everywhere

[untold kestrel]

right but as long as your team is melee focusing boss and have a single medpack you will kill before anyone falls

[gray kelp]

that boss is a jobber doesnt really matter imo

[austere burrow]

So hp helps you survive longer until you get a full boost

[normal talon]

need to confirm; Purgatus burn stacks count as Soulblaze, right?

[mild lotus]

not nearly as often as you will be regenerating toughness

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

[devout axle]

You can say 'git gud', but this is game is very hectic, and there will be times where you aren't able to avoid things. There are going to be times where you are stuck in a horde and have a sniper targeting you. Or a time you miss a dodge on a hound and there is a flamer right there to follow up on it.

[worn jewel]

Yes, personally tested

[shut thorn]

Yes

[edgy cedar]

Blue flame DoT = soulblaze

[normal talon]

awesome, i thought i was tripping

[austere burrow]

There are too many things that shred toughness

[shut thorn]

Go test in meat grinder

[vernal imp]

except in the few situations that your team has gone pants-on-head and ignores the adds, which you can only really delay yourself

[austere burrow]

Rather have a bigger hp buffer

[normal talon]

started getting warp charges after i hit 30 and used AB

[austere burrow]

I've been running 2hp 1 wound

[gray kelp]

true, I wouldn't base curio loadout on whether or not you somehow have a random group bad enough to struggle on the easiest boss in existence though lol

[vivid merlin]

hahah I just consecrated a relic... don't do this. akin to discarding your mats

[zinc phoenix]

I feel like you’d get more by focusing

[vernal imp]

toughness just goes away too fast to be useful in 4+, often i just peek for a second to get a cast off, back in cover and repeat, at that point why bother with toughness boosts?

[vivid merlin]

love that +6% experience

that's gonna help me out a lot

[austere burrow]

Agreed

[worn jewel]

2hp + 1 Toughness (Cos RNG dropped me a yellow one) gang rise up

[sleek crystal]

i like that, just waiting for a good wound one

[normal talon]

condolences

[untold kestrel]

2 tough 1 wound

[raw breach]

1 tough 1 wound 1 hp

Balanced, as all things should be.

[zinc phoenix]

Wound is important agree

[vernal imp]

wound is mandatory honestly unless you're on malice and below

[untold kestrel]

keep your toughness at or above 100 and you never take health damage

[gray kelp]

going from 1 max wound to 2 is really good, think 2 hp 1 wound is a good setup

[zinc phoenix]

100% not 100 from what I’ve heard

[shut thorn]

Shame perils explosion no longer does decent dmg

[edgy cedar]

Tactical esplode RIP

[mild lotus]

I feel like I'm not playing the same game as other people as my toughness doesn't get shredded that fast when peeking unless the whole Mordian Iron Guard is standing there in position and looking at me, in which case it's probably because we were too slow at dispatching enemies.

[worn jewel]

Is +1 Wound the maximum possible on a curio?

[austere burrow]

Ya

[shut thorn]

Was fun deleting giant hordes via peril det

[worn jewel]

Boo

[edgy cedar]

I just wish soulblaze was more common as an option

[zinc phoenix]

Lord i know it, I was testing it today in meatgeinder and it can’t even 1hk rager 😱

[austere burrow]

At least as far as I can tell

[edgy cedar]

voidstrike having +soulblaze on crit is hilariously stupid

[austere burrow]

A 2 wound curio would be very nice lol

[gray kelp]

if there was +2 wound curios i'd just run difficulty 1 ogryn and have randoms be in awe at my health bar

[worn jewel]

400dmg if i recall

[vernal imp]

yeah, peril nerf was so dumb, took ages to get the 3 malice kills

[edgy cedar]

whoever thought that would work as an option is dumb

[shut thorn]

Play a difficulty above malice

[mild lotus]

lol I play heresy

but go off I guess

[shut thorn]

Uh huh

[raw breach]

Gimme that, but on Surge

[edgy cedar]

ol

it would be more useful on surge purely due to crit chance

[untold kestrel]

issue is people arent using cover or paying attention to positioning, then claim toughness is worthless

[edgy cedar]

but problem is 1 stack does...1DPS

[mild lotus]

my thoughts too

[untold kestrel]

if you take a single hit from anything, dodge and reposition

[mild lotus]

• you should abuse dodging

[edgy cedar]

So...why do you need +toughness then?

[mild lotus]

even against range attacks, it's stupidly strong

[edgy cedar]

you just reworded "dont get hit"

[vernal imp]

i use cover, and don't use toughness for ranged at all, if you build toughness for tanking ranged, then you should use cover more no?

[untold kestrel]

to keepo your toughness above 100 at all times

so you never take health damage lol

[mild lotus]

read above, I went on about why I prefer toughness

[sleek crystal]

I ran toughness for a while, then tried HP today and just felt it was more tankier. I might be bad but yeah that was my experience

[raw breach]

idgaf about dps, i care about feat synergy

[gray kelp]

the point people make is if you're taking a single hit from anything heresy+ the extra toughness doesn't really do much, so you might as well have a bit more hp to be able to take more chip damage

[acoustic spade]

OK, so, is the Cliffhanger mission actually impossible to in the last section of the Smelter Metalfab mission?

[worn jewel]

I don't think surge can get it though; the blessing site specifically excludes purgatus and surge from the Blazing Soul blessing

[edgy cedar]

it has no synergy due to ascendent requiring the DoT to be the killing blow, sadly.

[shut thorn]

Post your toughness gear then, last time you posted all your gear was sub 370

[worn jewel]

Anyone got Blazing soul on a surge or purgatus staff?

[gray kelp]

consider this as well: health works for all sources of damage, there are mechanics that specifically ignore toughness

[edgy cedar]

only seen blazing on void

[mild lotus]

lol are you asking me?

[worn jewel]

According to the site, it only appears on void and trauma

[acoustic spade]

I just spent over 5 minutes only pushing the Endless Horde on that map into down the middle

[plush tendon]

i literally said "faster with a FS out" - at no point did i impy it was good. that's on you

[untold kestrel]

thats not true though. theres few things that a single hit gets rid of more than like 5-10% toughness other than fire and elites

[mild lotus]

why would my gear change anything about what I say?

[shut thorn]

Who else

[spice oar]

There a patch rn or servers just having issues?

[acoustic spade]

STILL just 6/7

[round charm]

every time i get a group near a ledge someone just kills them

[acoustic spade]

I had people purposefully not kill them

[worn jewel]

Eh I remember when it was 20; 7 should be fine lol

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but those are the actually dangerous stuff besides ranged blobs. Like pox burster dropping from sky spawn right on top of you

[mild lotus]

that's so pointless also I never posted all my gear and if I did it wasn't to show off my gear stat as I don't consider my current stuff to be what I want in the long run

[acoustic spade]

I even made sure I was at 90% Peril before using the push

[shut thorn]

Because youre not doing t5 grims w low rating gear as psyker

[gray kelp]

you are definitely not playing heresy+ in that case

[raw breach]

Steam achievement is still 20 lol

[mild lotus]

of course I'm not, that's dumb

[vernal imp]

i had to do cliffhanger with a friend and it took way too long to do, the nerfs to F and FS push is so bad

[acoustic spade]

I just think it doesnt work on that mission

[worn jewel]

Whic is why I dont have it Thankfully they kept progress, so my 19/20 converted to completion in-game

[austere burrow]

Does anyone even do grims on heresy+

[shut thorn]

What nerf

[worthy wasp]

Ye, but there are mechanics that also perma reduce your hp. HP gets worse due to game mechanics, but Toughness gets better due to not just the above 100 mechanic but because we constantly generate Toughness so you get more out of having more.

Theres also more that raises your Toughness mitigation

[untold kestrel]

i guess i'm going to restate my point. why are you standing so close to things that are actually dangerous? watch your positioning. sure a shitty poxburster spawn can screw you every now and then. but thats not happening multiple times in a mission, nor even once every mission

[mild lotus]

I am, not touching damnation til my gear suits me that's for sure + having a group to play with would be better

[austere burrow]

I don't bother because the reward isn't worth how much harder it is lol

[shut thorn]

Ppl got 20 on pb on chasm

[mild lotus]

but I do heresy almost all the time

[worn jewel]

Does anyone even do Grims on malice? I destroy the tomes outright if i know my team wont notice

[vernal imp]

i remember distinctly in the network test, they used to push way further, and maybe in closed beta? but didnt do much psyker closed beta

[acoustic spade]

cause I am 110% sure I had more than 10 poxwalkers fall into the molten metal in the smeltery

[austere burrow]

Malice grims is fine because it's easier

[gray kelp]

that wasnt addressed to you, this was referencing the reply of "few things deal more than 5-10% toughness per hit"

[mild lotus]

nobody bothers with grim above diff 3

[edgy cedar]

I see little reaosn to touch damnation without crafting existing to get shit to how I want it

[sleek crystal]

Grims are so annoying, i hate them. and you dont even get a lot of extra coins for them ....

[shut thorn]

Pb push is same as current

[mild lotus]

my bad then, thought it was for me

[raw breach]

why bother once you're at 30 at all?

[zinc phoenix]

Ok but if I position wrong and get some chip damage I could have avoided with more toughness gear I don’t care. If I position wrong and eat 💩 from. Pox burster I care a lot if my HP is 20 vs 50 remaining (numbers not real)

[austere burrow]

Damnation is fine if you have a group

[mild lotus]

contracts

[austere burrow]

Don't need super optimized gear or anything

[mild lotus]

+and better reward

[edgy cedar]

just reroll grims

100% every time lol

[untold kestrel]

i play hersey when i pug and damnation with my friends

[ornate hamlet]

when you say above 100 mechanic, do you mean that if you’re at like 105/120 toughness, you still take 0 damage from a hit? I thought that wasn’t a thing

[mild lotus]

I don't

I like the challenge

[edgy cedar]

not like money is an issue anyway

[worthy wasp]

They changed it to above 100 now afaik

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve gotten successful grims on heresy a few times 🤷‍♀️ in a pug no less

[vernal imp]

grims are just so painful and annoying, why even bother when scriptures give more rewards with less hassle & no constant corruption damage

[untold kestrel]

i'm pro toughness btw, not sure if we're arguing the same point or not?

[mild lotus]

You have to convince the people with you to even try it

[vernal imp]

plus you can do scripts at the level you actually want to play on lmao

[ornate hamlet]

oh that’s crazy then, might start running that over hp curios now

[mild lotus]

that's something I never managed to do

[austere burrow]

Also has anyone had any luck with force swords in heresy+

They feel really mediocre

[untold kestrel]

yes above 100 is no damage

[acoustic spade]

hmmm

[mild lotus]

even more reasons to stack toughness then

[zinc phoenix]

Have you tested that it’s above 100 and not 100%? I’ve seen a LOT of argument on that point

[acoustic spade]

I thought it was 100%?

[devout axle]

I only use FS in Heresy+. Deflector is very strong when trying to reposition under a pile of ranged enemies.

[sleek crystal]

im sorry for starting the hp v. toughness, I was just wondering what people ran 🙂 and from my testing in herasy+ i felt like max hp is the tankier option

[shut thorn]

Get deflect and high finesse

[worthy wasp]

I'm not sure, we need to test it

Somebody test it now

[vernal imp]

but it doesn't matter when its above 100 on our class, because at high level one melee hit is guaranteed to bring you below 100

[worthy wasp]

Thatll set'll the whole argument

[normal talon]

yeah wasnt it 100%?

[edgy cedar]

Deflector is strong enoguh it should basically just be default for FS ;/

[fathom thorn]

can I like pay people to carry me for Malleus Monstronum lol

[edgy cedar]

its like blatantly the best option

[mild lotus]

don't pay anyone anything, we'll help you sibling

[edgy cedar]

its already a psuedo-shield lol

[untold kestrel]

i'm not sure the question. 16% extra toughness on a curio is a total of 116%. as long as youre above 100% it doesnt do health damage

[fathom thorn]

this penance is ridiculous

[devout axle]

Or maybe make it part of the Kinetic Deflection perk so you aren't pidgeonholed into using FS only.

[mild lotus]

I just did it today

[austere burrow]

It still feels mediocre

[worn jewel]

FS Warp resistance affects deflector peril costs right?

[mild lotus]

a pug group accepted to let me do it

[sleek crystal]

you cant be above 100%? 😛

[untold kestrel]

i agree

[edgy cedar]

pigeonholing a feat isnt exactly a ton better >_>

[fathom thorn]

ill try asking a group next run

[shut thorn]

Weird, post ur fs

[worn mica]

same with going out with a bang

[devout axle]

We are already pigeonholed into Kinetic Deflection because the other two in that tier are absolute ass.

[worn mica]

both are stupid to get

[austere burrow]

Well one has deflector and the other has finesse

[acoustic spade]

should make Kinetic Deflection a lv30 perk then

[vernal imp]

yeah ask in the LFG channels, you'll get your chestpiece in no time

[fathom thorn]

i acutally did this solo in heresy

[mild lotus]

copy paste your request to them or else you'll lose time retyping it in every lobby, trust me

[austere burrow]

My issue is more that the chains feel bad to use

[shut thorn]

You're doing push light heavy for fs ya

[austere burrow]

Yeah

[normal talon]

this what i did too

[worthy wasp]

We got like infinite stam and the best toughness gen in the game... and if you choose we also have the best CC in the game, and some of the best horde clear in the game.

Psyker is in a great spot tbqh, I shit on the Talent Tree being ass a lot but I honestly believe Psyker is the strongest of the 4 careers

[normal talon]

blew myself up and fucked right off without being a problem to anyone

[fathom thorn]

thats smart

[cerulean pine]

That revelation that pressing 'V' actually gives more info 😮

[worn mica]

psyker stronger than veteran? get outta here

[normal talon]

oddly enough, i got Cliffhanger for free just by logging in

[edgy cedar]

Also man high warp resist on FS dramatically changes the charge cost lol

[mild lotus]

all those are about what isn't part of psyker's kit at root tho

[untold kestrel]

just to prove a point. Can't really have all the penances done unless you play heresy aye?

[edgy cedar]

from 44% to 75% is like down from 24% cost to 13% lol

[shut thorn]

Damnation is much easier w 4 psykers than 4 zel or vet

[worthy wasp]

Exactly

[untold kestrel]

not even good gear

[sleek crystal]

I agree, I have 6 friends that I play with. Im the only Psyker but I've seen them struggle alot more than me when I play correctly

[wide quest]

I'm talking about how you should have specified that it was faster than having a staff out at least, instead of just saying that it's "faster with a FS out" without mentioning anything else to compare with in your first statement. Which would lead me (and possibly everyone else) to believe what you're trying to say is that passive quelling speed on force sword is generally faster than other weapons. Have you now come to understand what I'm trying to convey or do you need me to say the same thing a 3rd time but rephrase it?

[fathom thorn]

tough

[gray kelp]

could've gotten carried idk, the point is I also play heresy and most things if not everything do more than 5-10 damage per hit on heresy+

[worthy wasp]

Ppl jerk off Vet's damage, but damage isnt what wins you games like vt2/dt, you dont run 4 shades in vt2 lol

[untold kestrel]

elites and fire aside...what else?

[mild lotus]

try me

[fathom thorn]

ogryn, 2 vets, and a psyker prob my fav group

[mild lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/kerillian-elf-twerk-warhammer-vermintide-gif-15519385

[worthy wasp]

Its insane how much utility/survivability Psyker has

[shut thorn]

4 psykers w void is p funny

[cedar grove]

Vet sees a group of elites, Vet presses ult, Vet hoses the crowd with bolter. Elites dead.

[worn mica]

really cause i feel squishy as fuckkkkkk

[cedar grove]

And if you have the 2 reload speed buffs from feats, which you should with Bolter, you can keep volleying away

[snow dust]

What melee should I take as psyker? .-. dueling sword MKIV or MKV?

[gray kelp]

should also point out this game is a lot different from v2, no thp farming to carry you here lol

[snow dust]

or something else?

[sleek crystal]

did 2x psykers and 2x vets in a herasy level assassination, the boss went down instantly 😄 so much fun

[shut thorn]

Fs w deflect and peril block feat

[austere burrow]

I like dueling sword mk 5

[zinc phoenix]

Gotta roll a special trait on your force sword to really max out the survivability. Until then much less strong

[austere burrow]

Long range heavy

[worn mica]

i have gotten a whopping 1 force sword my entire gameplay

[worthy wasp]

Disagree. Dumpstering shit with my Antax Mk V

[mild lotus]

those became toughness tbh

[shut thorn]

Lvl

[sleek crystal]

what would you say is the best blessings/perks on a force sword?

[zinc phoenix]

Can your axe block ranged attacks? My chainsword can’t either. I’m not maxing out survivability and neither are you

[austere burrow]

Plus mk v has defences

[worn mica]

22

[austere burrow]

Which is a very good stat to have

[shut thorn]

Cuz psyker is kinda rough sub 30

[gray kelp]

toughness is much, much weaker than thp. In v2 green hp wasn't that important past a certain point

[austere burrow]

Cheaper push attack

[worthy wasp]

Bruh lmao. Even without blocking ranged you can lockdown/damage shit without even requiring LoS

[zinc phoenix]

Deflector is the big dog everything after that is taste imo

[ornate hamlet]

Does hipfire apply to secondary charge attack? If so does that mean I can run while charging secondary attack?

[austere burrow]

No

[zinc phoenix]

I didn’t argue that did I

[austere burrow]

It only applies to left click

It's kinda garbage lol

[mild lotus]

Wait sibling, did you just try to have fun?

[shut thorn]

Ye just hang in there, psyker is the only class that suffers sub 30

[gray kelp]

nope, run and gun is potato tier 😦

[mild lotus]

We can't have that

[ornate hamlet]

They're so greedy

[austere burrow]

The only thing you can do with it is sprint at an enemy while suppressing them with left click

[sleek crystal]

ok thanks, I will upgrade my 380 sword and hope for deflector, and if i dont get it wait for reroll blessings

[austere burrow]

Which is kind of questionable lol

[dusk pilot]

ye run and gun sucks because 95% of the time enemies magnetically attach to you anyway

[worthy wasp]

Nah, imo Psyker takes off after level 20. Goes completely ham

[shut thorn]

Bleh

[cedar grove]

The most satisfying sound in the game, is charging up a bowling ball during a horde then aiming it at roughly head level

and hearing all those headshot sounds

[mild lotus]

[austere burrow]

Easy 20+ headshot kill penance

[dusk pilot]

Luckily once crafting comes around, you'll be able to melt down weapons with the specific perks you want

[worthy wasp]

Hit level 20
Grab Antax Mk V
Dumpster everything

[dusk pilot]

And slot them into other weapons

[zinc phoenix]

Unless it bugs out and leaves you stuck at 19 forever

[austere burrow]

[worn mica]

anyone else getting error 3001 everytime they leave a mission?

[cedar grove]

Don't complain about bugged penances too bad, :sweatsInVeteranCheese:

[stoic tendon]

is that an axe?

axes are bad m8

[zinc phoenix]

I never leave a mission 😡

[shut thorn]

Tbh ideal fs is high warp res and finesse w deflect and slaughter

[mild lotus]

not the antax MKV

[plush tendon]

Rephrase it as much as you like, all i said was "it's faster with a FS out".

I am saying passive quelling speed on a force sword is generally faster than other weapons, correct.

What I'm not saying is it's good - which is what you seemed to take away from it.

[worn mica]

i meant like when you finish 🗿

[mild lotus]

it's arguably the most powerful

[worthy wasp]

Say youre bad without saying youre bad lol.

[worthy wasp]

Use the push attack

[zinc phoenix]

When I finish only error i get is error 69420: you are too cool 😎

[worthy wasp]

Axes were ass in vt2

[charred vessel]

Toggle peril reload when?

[worthy wasp]

But the Mk V is nuts here

[stoic tendon]

same game

[inner citrus]

I was so bad with psyker at first but he is so good

[shut thorn]

No

[zinc phoenix]

It’s good and speedy, but chainsword is better imo

[cedar grove]

At least tier 3 penance gear on Psyker is noticeably different

on my Veteran, I got some ammo on my other shoulder and I wear a black shirt instead of red

[edgy cedar]

? axe was pretty standard for al ong time in VT2. it got hit with the nerf bat losing its potential to cleave 2 units at full damage that mostly killed it lol

[worthy wasp]

Nah theres a diff between saying "I prefer X over Y, but both are good" and saying "X is bad"

[sleek crystal]

Consecrated to Exalted and hit Melee Damage (Elites), that's a good perk right? Just need another 135 cubes for adding the last blessing and pray it's deflector then 😄

[zinc phoenix]

Meanwhile as ogryn… what change

[worthy wasp]

Ye, talkin post nerf

[edgy cedar]

+elite is good purely for warp charge yeah

[shut thorn]

Vet literally exists to just try to brag while being forced to horde clear

[edgy cedar]

I wear entirely prisoner garb still just to bother people

[mild lotus]

excuse me what?

[gray kelp]

not important to convo really but 1h axe isnt necessarily bad in v2, very usable in cata with careers that can increase attack speed like zealot/slayer

[worthy wasp]

Off-meta for sure is the point

[edgy cedar]

still much worse than it used to be, however and with other DLC options later on they became less desirable.

Doable? yeah...but so is every option

[shut thorn]

We need the box thing from vt2 tbh

[stoic tendon]

really nothing going on different here

[median monolith]

Is there anyway I can get a team to help me? I need to brain burst a monstrosity for 90% of its health

[stoic tendon]

reskin at best

[cedar grove]

Doing side objectives like Grimoires should give a lot of crafting materials

gold is useless

[mild lotus]

Sure, if you look at it from afar, while your eyes are closed

[edgy cedar]

Well game currently lacks good incentives yes

[shut thorn]

It's bad bait

[mild lotus]

I bet on the coming of new contracts to farm materials

[mild lotus]

I know

ogryns are easy to spot

[edgy cedar]

Anyone calling Darktide basically the same as VT2 is looking purely surface level.
But its both a step forward and back in various aspects.

[stoic tendon]

if you reallly thinkl theres a massive difference your driking the koolaide

[paper seal]

game is lacking a lot despite how much fun it is, we do not even have recommended gear levels for difficulties like vermintide even though gear level works exactly like vermintide

[magic hull]

cop or nah

[paper seal]

yes

[mild lotus]

#ogryn-class

[gray kelp]

ogryns are based and largely keep to themselves and babblespeak on their class thread

[mild lotus]

there, you'll find your siblings

[zinc phoenix]

I genuinely think the monstrosity penance is intended to force the player to make friends with other humans

[shut thorn]

Good

[edgy cedar]

high charge rate rocks so 44% is kinda bleh? But yeah 80% warp resist and 77% damage is pretty great

[cedar grove]

Or to use the LFG channel

then never speak again

[zinc phoenix]

Ah the one night stand approach, it is… acceptable

[spark gale]

Anyone know where to get this hood?

[paper seal]

the monstrosity penance is so dumb, it's fucking trivial with a 4 queue and nigh impossible with randoms unless they are nice

[paper seal]

store higher level

er, armory

[mild lotus]

armory

[spark gale]

oki I'm only level 14

[shut thorn]

Beg an ogryn to help block daemonhost

[edgy cedar]

well yes its a "challenge" which requires playing in a way that is not typical of a standard game lol

[paper seal]

i think mine showed up around 28

[mild lotus]

wait til lvl 30

[spark gale]

ty c:

[paper seal]

its not a challenge is the thing

its really easy

[edgy cedar]

Yes it is

[zinc phoenix]

It can work it’s way around the shield and f you up. Source: happened to me, was very surprised 😂

[paper seal]

and requires you to play fairly normal

[edgy cedar]

But its a shit "challenge" of a class mechanic lol

[paper seal]

just with a 4 queue

[mild lotus]

nobody said it was hard

[cedar grove]

Most penances are poorly designed

[paper seal]

that should be the point of a heresy penance

hence why i think its stupid

[edgy cedar]

Most of them are pretty fine actually

[shut thorn]

Ogryn has to have back to wall

[cedar grove]

like On Overwatch, Malleus Monstronum, and Make Every Shot Count are just really poorly thought out.

[edgy cedar]

its just select few, most of which are required for goodies, are shit

[raw oriole]

Has there been confirmation of how Kinetic Shield interacts with Warp Battery? If so, how?

[mild lotus]

when most of your penances are "do x amount of missions " or "dodge x amount of shots by running", I don't think we're aiming at difficulty here

[paper seal]

the heresy challenges, considering they are tied to a high difficulty, are meant to be difficult by design but they werent thought out well

[cedar grove]

The Zealot one at tier 3 is also trolling a bit. "Play 75% of the mission on 1 wound, and clear the mission under <20 minutes on Heresy."

[paper seal]

make every shot count is a good example of a decently challenging heresy penance

[mild lotus]

Could argue heresy isn't that hard once people pull their weight

[edgy cedar]

For the most part achievements in games should largely be about playing well. Demonstrating learning in the class itself.
Throwing shit of ledges? Not really a skill you need to learn much here. Its a gimmick achievement

[paper seal]

it isn't, but it's meant to be a higher difficulty and hence therefore meant to be hard

[edgy cedar]

same as the boss shit. Very, very, rarely will you have 1 person exclusively boss-damaging, especially not for 90% of its HP lol

[paper seal]

damnation will also be easy with a meta premade 4 stack

[rapid frigate]

Gimmick achievements shouldn't have good rewards

[wide quest]

At no point did I assume you coming off as force sword passive quelling speed being good. The problem I have here is that the force sword as a matter of fact has a much slower passive quelling speed than generally most weapons, might possibly the 2nd slowest just above the staves. That, along with you simply saying "it's faster with a FS out" while not specifically comparing it to any other weapon (preferably staves in this situation) would lead me to my conclusion, and thus calling what you said as "bs".

[mild lotus]

so it's designed to be but is not so penances must be hard?

I don't follow

[zinc phoenix]

I… actually use it regularly to shout ragers into the abyss 😂

[rapid frigate]

They should have silly rewards. The good outfits should ne ones you naturally get when you play st s high level without really trying

[edgy cedar]

as a percentage of your rager kills I highly doubt its about 1% lol

[paper seal]

It's designed to be hard, yes, but due to how the game is played and how people are good at the game that is being played, it is not

A random 4 queue of people who do not know how to play will die on heresy

they will not die on the easier difficulties

[edgy cedar]

so fun? sure.
something to actually train players to do? eh

[fast cloak]

Anybody running diff 5? If so what staff?

[mild lotus]

okay, but still I don't see why penances should be that difficult just because they're locked behind a difficulty level that isn't even the last one

[shut thorn]

Void or surge

[worn jewel]

Trauma

[paper seal]

considering they (mostly) have really good cosmetics tied behind them, it should be at least difficult to obtain

[raw oriole]

Has there been confirmation of how Kinetic Shield interacts with Warp Battery? If so, how?

[edgy cedar]

Not heard shit Cole

[raw oriole]

oof

[austere burrow]

i wonder what they could do to trauma to make it worth running

[shut thorn]

You use purgatus to remove ppl from ur match who wasted money on a rtx card

[austere burrow]

maybe if it actually cc'd everything in its aoe

[mild lotus]

Well, I have yet to meet a single psyker with the malleus monstronum penance's attire in my lobbies

[zinc phoenix]

Make it leave a death field and do more damage

[eager moat]

how does pyskinectics wrath work? is it more peril the more damage or less peril?

[mild lotus]

doesn't mean anything but it is likely that very few people got it so far

[paper seal]

what difficulty are you playing it at?

[mild lotus]

heresy

[paper seal]

i have it and so does nearly every other psyker i've got in a random queue in heresy

[shut thorn]

Faster charge, like 2x

[austere burrow]

that could be cool

[raw breach]

Same thing they did in Vermintide. Scrap the "Combustion" staff and give us a "Coruscation" staff that leaves flame patches

[zinc phoenix]

If trauma crapped a field of flames and knocked the crud out of everything it touched I’d glue it to my psyker’s hands

[austere burrow]

trueeee

[edgy cedar]

well like conflag left a flamey field after a full charge but I dont actually remember it did anything lol

[austere burrow]

if trauma was literally just coruscation i'd probably use it lol

[edgy cedar]

but WTB beam staff psyker

[lusty wave]

Has anyone found a good use for the purge staff? Honestly it's just so bad compared to the other staffs

[edgy cedar]

it kills hordes

[zinc phoenix]

Soul fire traits 🤷‍♀️ it’s ok

[edgy cedar]

and staggers most elites decently

[austere burrow]

the meme soul blaze build is kind of funny on malice

[cerulean pine]

First time i've seen it just now.

[lusty wave]

Does it?

[edgy cedar]

it just staggers LESS than surge. So if you are planning on that just use surge lol

[shut thorn]

Babysitting bad vets who use shovel insteas of ps

[lusty wave]

Is it like the surge staff where one hit staggers them?

[eager moat]

how does pyskinectics wrath work? is it more peril the more damage or less peril?

[wide quest]

I've seen plenty, especially since they nerfed the penance

[edgy cedar]

more with more

[mild lotus]

it doesn't do any damage and just vents out 50% peril

[eager moat]

tysm!

[mild lotus]

while staggering mobs in front of you

[keen pawn]

best way to do this?

[paper seal]

just suicide into a horde with ragers in it

[frosty helm]

is psychic communion any good? 4% seems kinda low

[edgy cedar]

He's talking about the feat lol

which has the same name

[paper seal]

yes very

in hordes you will constantly stack warp charges

[edgy cedar]

its basically instant max charges yeah

[mild lotus]

I'm going to brain burst all of Fat Shark studio

[austere burrow]

why the heck does the feat have the same name as ult

lmao

[frosty helm]

cool cool.

[paper seal]

and if you have the 10% toughness regen every warp charge stack it just kinda

[shut thorn]

Pretend your main goal is to blow up

[paper seal]

gives you infinite toughness in hordes

[eager moat]

lmao

[keen pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/officialdeltalive-gif-24100688

[fast cloak]

Lmb staggers them a little bit. You can spam it but I find it inconsistent. It works really well if teams hols choke point but most pugs just dont.

[lusty wave]

Yeah na

Surge is just way better

I like void strike but the surge is uhg

[paper seal]

voidstrike is a horde wiper

its so fucking good

plus it stuns most specials

[shut thorn]

Srsly tho surge and wound curios

[keen pawn]

say less

[austere burrow]

i wouldn't say surge is way better

[simple dove]

what do wounds do ?

[shut thorn]

Zap maulers no charge 3 times and blow up

[fast cloak]

I want the purge to be better but your right the surge just allows for so much control.

[austere burrow]

they just have different roles

[paper seal]

I think void is better than surge on god

[lusty wave]

Yeah

[austere burrow]

void is nicer in pubs because you can handle hordes

[paper seal]

wound = the little sections of health that go away upon being downed

[austere burrow]

if you're in a premade with ppl that can deal with the horde, surge cc helps your team staay alive

[simple dove]

so +1 wounds, you would just have more health when downed ?

[edgy cedar]

Yes

[paper seal]

yes, and more downs to go down with before dying

[edgy cedar]

wound HP is all %

[robust meteor]

heresy damnation pug i win more with surge, not void

[shut thorn]

Void is more fun, surge is required on t5
If no ogryn or dumb zel/vet

[edgy cedar]

so 150 HP with 3 wounds is 50 per, with 4 its 37.5 per

[paper seal]

I play with an ogryn shield user so

[simple dove]

ty

[paper seal]

does damnation have friendly fire i havent been able to notice

[runic gate]

No

[austere burrow]

no

[paper seal]

weird

[runic gate]

BIS melee weapon opinions?

[worthy wasp]

Ogryn are fkn awesome man

[paper seal]

I love playing with ogryns as a psyker

literally a brick wall even without the shield

[mild lotus]

friendly fire and psyker's surge or purg wouldn't work

[paper seal]

true

[ruby merlin]

@runic gate Multiple options, antax mk v combat axe, mk v dueling sword, combat knife, force sword, probably chainsword, all viable.

[mild lotus]

even worse when ogryns exist

they'd go down all the time

[ruby merlin]

If you go for the axe, get brutal momentum on it for infinite horizontal cleave.

[shut thorn]

Revolver and catachan

[runic gate]

Using dueling rn, cleared 10+ damnation with it. JW if I’m missing anything

[worthy wasp]

Force Sword, Antax MkV Combat Axe, Dueling Sword, and I've heard great things about Chain Sword.

[shut thorn]

Srsly axe or defect fs

Dueling sux

[runic gate]

So wild, I’ve never seen a Pyk with axe

[austere burrow]

how does dueling suck

[edgy cedar]

ah but which dueling sword?

[bold maple]

you sux

[worthy wasp]

But ye, imo best 2 are Antax MkV and Force Sword

[shut thorn]

Jealous?

[runic gate]

I disagree, it’s excellent for those quick blocks and fast single dmg

[ruby merlin]

@runic gate Yeah dueling sword is great, it's basically like the axe, but slightly more dodge distance, and a bit less dps and cleave.

[wild relic]

whats the map name that lets you get easy cliffhanger penance?

[stoic tendon]

dueling 2 is god tier

[worthy wasp]

Ye I run Antax MkV + Surge Staff in t4/t5

[ruby merlin]

The axe is very good on t5

I've mostly seen people talk about the mk v dueling sword though, not much talk on the mk 2

[runic gate]

Why do you like axe above others for damnation

[worthy wasp]

Youre the pleb that thinks axes are trash and vt2 = dt tho so idk if I trust your opinion

[ruby merlin]

@runic gate It's because the push attack is super fast and super safe, and it cleaves + staggers.

[runic gate]

Maybe I’ll have to try it. What perks and blessing you like on axe

[worthy wasp]

This is the fkn guy that got me to try the Antax MkV

[shut thorn]

Axe = delete

[worthy wasp]

I was a Force Sword believer

[stoic tendon]

ive never attacked you

[shut thorn]

Fs = invincible

[worthy wasp]

Until @ruby merlin showed me the way

[runic gate]

Not on damnation tbh

[stoic tendon]

a true kingly statement

[ruby merlin]

Like if you push attack a mauler, it staggers. Ragers get stun locked, dogs get knocked off etc.

@runic gate One thing I really dislike about the force sword is how slow passive quell is

[runic gate]

Was he right?

[stoic mural]

got a question, do higher difficulties increase the odds of you getting a weapon at the end of a mission or is it completely random?

waiting for the inventory refresh is a bit aggravating

[round charm]

depends if the Emperor loves you or not

[runic gate]

In my exp random

[shut thorn]

High finesse, warp resist and deflect

[worthy wasp]

Absolutely, absolute fkn chad of a weapon. Push attack is your friend

[plush tendon]

vid showing me gaining toughness while doing absolutely nothing but passively quelling - note the 2 coherency buff is a graphical glitch - can see all bot compions are dead & a distance away

[runic gate]

Cool I’ll have to try antax and axe

[ruby merlin]

Also brutal momentum makes your light attacks basically work like an eviserator lol

Has to be the mk v combat axe, the rest suck due to attack angles.

[tropic halo]

++

[stoic mural]

Definitely not a fan of that. I wish they had kept the loot system from Vermintide 2. Even if you were getting salvage weapons, you at least were getting something.

[shut thorn]

No

[teal cargo]

At least we get depression

from rng sho0

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo I mean you can carry so hard as psyker

[runic gate]

Agree

[edgy cedar]

yeah not sure why people are confused by this

[ruby merlin]

Like this one pug I just had, some vet triggered a daemon host and insta died.

[edgy cedar]

literally everything is quelling

number go down? quell

[quaint kelp]

Why is my psyker green

[ruby merlin]

I immediately took aggro, perma blocked it, let the other two clear the rest, then we killed the host. Run saved.

[lusty wave]

@ruby merlin how, can you explain, I feel like in boss fights, as a psyker I'm fudged

[runic gate]

Zug

[stoic mural]

aggravating might be the wrong word, but I just preferred the older system. Maybe having both wouldn't have been too bad.

[worthy wasp]

Hes sick of your shit

[shut thorn]

Green goblin

[tropic halo]

Micheal Meyers, that you?

[runic gate]

Looking like a Jason mask

[stoic mural]

also, is it just me, or does it feel like grabbing the grimoires isn't worth it?

[teal cargo]

Wow actually did it!

[ruby merlin]

@lusty wave Peril block + toughness on quell = you can perma block any boss in the game, on damnation, assuming you can dodge a tiny bit every now and then.

[stoic mural]

for the added ass pain it causes, the rewards feels really underwhelming

[runic gate]

Not worth esp at damnation

[fast cloak]

Force sword alt attack does good. These other weapons there talking about idk vs a boss.

[shut thorn]

I want vt2 end screen

[teal cargo]

get in there block i guess

[runic gate]

We all do

[stoic mural]

last I heard they were going to implement it eventually

[hollow saffron]

best case scenario for the psyker, lore wise, is our souls become a snack for the emperor

[ruby merlin]

@fast cloak I run the antax mk v axe for clutch potential, force sword passive quell isn't strong so I don't like it.

[austere burrow]

i do nothing during boss fights lol

i'll take pot shots with my sword every now and then

[runic gate]

Brain burst kill specials and hordes

[austere burrow]

yeah

[runic gate]

Stay active

[austere burrow]

i mostly just control the horde

[runic gate]

BB does good dmg on boss

[austere burrow]

ehh

[shut thorn]

They stole our end screen and they stole power sword from psyker

[stoic mural]

That seems to be the best role during boss fights I've found

[austere burrow]

i'd rather save my peril

[runic gate]

Not great but good

[cedar grove]

No it doesn't

Force sword alt is better damage for peril, and faster

[austere burrow]

doing like 3% per bb isn't worth it

rather have peril to deal with stuff if it shows up

[runic gate]

If there’s no adds I’ll bb boss to boost team dmg

[stoic mural]

surge staff seems to do a pretty good job at controlling the adds that come

[runic gate]

I forgot the name but I think it’s a lvl 10 15% buff to non warp dmg

[lusty wave]

@stoic mural surge staff isn't that good at controlling HORDES? idk

[fast cloak]

I don't feel like passive quell is that good even stated high. I'll have to try that axe tho.

[austere burrow]

i've been thinking about running the damage buff one

[shut thorn]

Don't charge

[ruby merlin]

@fast cloak passive quell is much stronger on any non force sword weapon

[austere burrow]

because i don't notice the force damage one at all lol

[runic gate]

Hits 5, void staff goes burrrrrrrr

[lusty wave]

Wdym

Oo

So just spam surge?

[shut thorn]

Ye

[lusty wave]

And I hit 5 after 5?

[austere burrow]

i can't tell if it's helping me hit breakpoints or not

[lusty wave]

Makes sense

[fast cloak]

Maybe that's why I haven't noticed it then.

[cedar grove]

Surge staff chain lightning is good stun locking of 5 mobs at a time. Voidstrike is better horde clearing.

Surge is good for CCing things like Ragers/Maulers/etc

[shut thorn]

U can stop most of it by just stunning guys at front

[runic gate]

This

[lusty wave]

@shut thorn what about the ones and the back

[ruby merlin]

@fast cloak yeah it sucks on staves and the force sword, but is very strong on any other weapon.

[worthy wasp]

Its suck because the 15% buff to non-warp damage seems like an absolute bosskiller trait... but in practice Psychic Communion is too good to pass up AND your team deals more damage overall if you dont BB the boss and just use your weapons

[shut thorn]

They will wait

[edgy cedar]

non-force weapons basically put you instantly in the 'fast' quell mode

[fast cloak]

I'm gonna have to try it then.

[shut thorn]

Void better for hordes anyw

[edgy cedar]

voiding 20+ mobs instnatly is fun

[lethal lagoon]

Just did a t5 with 3 psykers. All of us had different staves. I'm convinced all three are viable now.

[shut thorn]

You use surge to prevent 3 mutant roflstomp

[lethal plover]

2 zealots with flamer and one psyker with flame staff. That was an easy heresy run where we didn't worry about hordes

[lethal lagoon]

Except trauma, trauma is the worst

[shut thorn]

And 5x burster

[worthy wasp]

^

[lethal plover]

Which staves

[stoic tendon]

so minus trauma?

[lethal lagoon]

Surge, Void, and Purg.

[worthy wasp]

All but trauma

[shut thorn]

Psyker only runs are great

Psyker suprem-

[lethal lagoon]

It was the most fun I've had playing the game.

[ruby merlin]

Yeah psyker is very flexible, can fill any role.

[wide quest]

Too much trauma

[ruby merlin]

Trauma is technically viable if you can communicate really well, and keep funneling into chokes.

The charge does a ton of burst damage, you can nuke crushers etc.

[lethal plover]

Yeah I've changed my mind about purgatus. Void strike is good for a lane but purgatus staggers a giant cone

[shut thorn]

Trauma chat is too slow

[lusty wave]

@ruby merlin they don't fill tank roles

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma is a crappy void without infinite peril. I can't fathom why you'd use it.

[shut thorn]

Charge *

[worthy wasp]

Ye, Psyker is the strongest career but the weakest class imo. Psykinetic is hard-carried by how strong Psyker's kit is

[ruby merlin]

@lusty wave Incorrect, we are the best tank in the game lol

[lethal lagoon]

@lusty wave Deflector.

[stoic mural]

I'm still playing on malice so I dunno about higher tiers, but the stun that the chain lightning causes is pretty nice. I like having the option to shoot things at a distance too since I'm stuck with PuG's at the moment.

[lusty wave]

@lethal lagoon deflector?

[harsh cobalt]

vet gang here. Yall guys meme or something. I see another psyker on heresy with a recon lasgun I'm leaving that game

[shut thorn]

You do like 50 more dmg!!!!

[lethal lagoon]

@lusty wave Force sword can block ranged attacks. Also increased block effiency.

[stoic mural]

I'd get a void staff, but the shops inventory keeps trolling me and refuses to give me staves

[lusty wave]

@lethal lagoon wait fr???

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, deflector perk

[ruby merlin]

@lusty wave or run any normal weapon, and just be a melee block god. You could block x3 ragers at once and hold them if you wanted.

[shut swallow]

That shit is bizarre. Maybe they just have shit for staffs in the shop though and they just hit 30.

[ruby merlin]

@lusty wave You gotta try the antax mk v axe, peril block perk (level 20), and toughness on quell perk ( level 5)

[fast cloak]

The guns never stop.

[ruby merlin]

you are the res god, better than ogryns.

[harsh cobalt]

in that case maybe going down to malice would be a better idea, I don't know. This is getting a bit much

[stoic mural]

@shut swallow I'm level 20 and I leveled from 13 to 20 before a single stave dropped for me.

[harsh cobalt]

I shouldn't have to fight for ammo with a psyker on heresy as a vet. That's about it

[shut swallow]

Malice is braindead though without high intensity on the menu.

[stoic tendon]

holy cow, i didnt realize how hard trauma hit on charge

[shut thorn]

I see another vet using shovel, i will just stare at a mutant or dog killing them

[ruby merlin]

I mean you could just make yourself the elite killer, so many vets waste ammo on hordes.

[lusty wave]

@ruby merlin does it make me...invisible? Lmao

[ruby merlin]

@lusty wave It will basically make you invincible to bosses.

[lethal plover]

deflector lmao

[harsh cobalt]

shovel 3rd best melee on vet. Stay in your lane

[ruby merlin]

and you can tank multiple ragers in melee

[lusty wave]

I sss

[wide quest]

And then there was a guy arguing how recon lasgun is better than staves, but he left this chat now I assume. Poor man got bullied for not being good with words and coming off as superior.

[shut thorn]

[fast cloak]

Yeah I love watching you guys Easter egg hunt.

[ruby merlin]

@harsh cobalt what I want to see from vets is less gun usage, more melee when a horde comes. And just switch to guns to nuke specials if they spot any.

[shut thorn]

Im running recon now

[harsh cobalt]

I know why. There was this video from some youtuber during beta that advocated to use recon lasgun. People still follow it. I see no other reason

[shut thorn]

Deny vets their ammo

[gray kelp]

just got done with a heresy game where me and ogryn buddy ultra hard carried a vet that was down 90% of the match

[worthy wasp]

Vets fall behind and die, Zealots run ahead and die, Psykers + Ogryns hard carry the trash of the community tbqh

[ruby merlin]

Any time I see a vet shoot hordes in damnation, you know they don't really know the class role.

[shut thorn]

They stole our power sword

[stoic tendon]

all i do as a vet

[stoic mural]

I don't really care for the recon las gun, the inability to deal with carapace armored enemies just bothers me.

[cyan notch]

should i be going for heavy attacks on charged force sword or lights or it doesnt matter

[stoic mural]

much prefer the Lucius las rifle on my vet personally.

[lethal plover]

Play both vet and psyker. Situation is always fluid so always switch between ranged and melee

[ruby merlin]

@stoic tendon yeah there are good vets out there, mostly vt2 players I think, since it's pretty natural to save ranged for specials if you come from there.

[harsh cobalt]

you can have your power sword, just stop using guns for fuck's sake. It's getting silly

[shut thorn]

More guns

[fast cloak]

I saw that one. I think he recommended the rapid fire. Allot of these newer videos turn out to be kinda silly.

[wide quest]

If only you were here when the one guy was rambling.

[shut thorn]

Srsly tho

[runic hornet]

content creators are mostly shit

[shut thorn]

We use void

[runic hornet]

they're too busy making content instead of actually playing the game

[lethal plover]

Not quite. There's also the trash shooters which counterfire and mk 12 take care of

[shut thorn]

Not guns

[leaden belfry]

But i love my Quickdraw Stub revolver...

[lethal plover]

Ranged mobs here are brutal

[shut swallow]

I am 1000% sure that there are some really freaky pioneers out there using guns on their psyker putting in work. The real question is how are you running out of ammo

[harsh cobalt]

I mean...listen. When you're leveling and store RNG gives you autoguns all the time. Use a gun, alright. Fair. But man, once you're 30 and in heresy it's just not a good look

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover true, but ranged trash are basically honorary specials. I'm mostly talking about vets who shoot into poxwalkers lol.

Then run out of ammo, derp.

[magic hull]

me when i see a level 20 on heresy

[runic hornet]

on heresy+, riflemen are pretty much more dangerous than disablers

[ruby merlin]

Especially if they're bolter users

[runic hornet]

Disablers might net you if you fail a dodge

Riflemen just fucking kill you.

[stoic mural]

@lethal plover counterfire is an amazing perk based on my experience. the ability to keep the ability running just by killing the standard ranged trooper is just silly from my experience

[shut thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[stoic mural]

er feat, not perk

[ruby merlin]

Heresy it's still whatever, you can gapclose them easily still and just keep dodging with slides. On damnation you really need to engage them before they split up and form a firing squad.

[harsh cobalt]

I expected nothing from you, weirdos. Love ya. Keep guns to big boys. Stick to sticks(see what I did there?)

[fast cloak]

Yeah it's the same shit every game drops. "10 Tips I wish I new" "level up quick".

Some of its helpful but most is common sense fluff.

[wide quest]

More like an execution squad

[stoic tendon]

i wish theyd bring a version of sienna beam staff in this game

[ruby merlin]

@wide quest Yeah, then a pug zealot will have a delayed charge into them after they split up, and then insta die XD

[shut thorn]

Vets only exist to waste ammo, die to dog and whine

[stoic tendon]

beam snipes and the full auto staff shots

[ruby merlin]

gotta charge them before they split up please 😄

[stoic mural]

do vet players in Heresy and damnation not typically go after killing the ranged gunners and elites?

[shut swallow]

There aren't enough vets brave enough to put the bolter down and go back to the Kantrael XII. That thing slaps and you will never run out of ammo, regardless of what the rest of the team is running.

[lethal plover]

Psyker has a bad time with firing squads. Best cure is surge but then not always

[ruby merlin]

@stoic mural It really depends on the player, but there's a lot of bad vets out there who can't melee for some reason lol.

[stoic tendon]

need on of each

[harsh cobalt]

that's literally the most important thing they can do

[lethal plover]

XII and bolter are both very popular

[shut thorn]

Fs, m2+w

[stoic mural]

@ruby merlin they're given one of the most amazing melee weapons for dealing with hordes and they don't use it?

[wide quest]

I love the braced autogun, sometimes even more than the boltor

[ruby merlin]

@lethal plover Yeah for sure, bolter is very overrated on damnation, people overhyped it too much.

[harsh cobalt]

most do, but weirdos bring like plasma and think it's good that they can kill a crusher once a minute. WHile team is wiped by 25 scabs that pew pew to death

[ruby merlin]

@stoic mural I know right? lol

[lethal plover]

If you have that one perk

[fast cloak]

I like to grab ammo box and wait to put them out right at the extract ship. So we can cover are exit

[plush tendon]

ok so you got me curious - i'd honestly never used a non-force weapon on my psyker aside from when i started - so some testing, i was very wrong, quelling with a force sword is only faster than quelling with a force staff - took a vid but too big to attach

passive quell speed testing (100 - 0)
force sword - 28 seconds
force staff (purgatus incase it matters, not bothering to test others) - 47 seconds
hands - 29 seconds
axe - 9 seconds
lasgun - 9 seconds

[stoic mural]

@ruby merlin I mean shit, I wish I had a melee weapon that good at horde clearing. But I guess that's what our staves are for.

[harsh cobalt]

I know your tricks, brainy

[shut thorn]

They want to larp as krieg w the dumb shovel

[ruby merlin]

I've seen people trying to dodge with a bolter and keep shooting hordes, on heresy and damnation XD

[lethal plover]

What's the time here

[ruby merlin]

@stoic mural The antax mk v axe is pretty good at horde clearing to be fair

[stoic tendon]

uhmm wut lol?

[lethal plover]

29 second to quell wtf?

[ruby merlin]

With brutal momentum it acts like the eviserator vs hordes if you use light attacks.

[stoic mural]

Shovel was nice when I was leveling, but I think I preferred the Catachan devil sword. The horizontal power swings made beheading mobs much easier.

[plush tendon]

how many seconds it takes to passively quell from 100 peril to 0

[stoic mural]

@ruby merlin true

[shut thorn]

Soon

[ruby merlin]

@plush tendon yep, that's the main reason why force swords suck IMO

[stoic mural]

soon?

[lethal plover]

Ok screw that. What's the time to quell from 100 to 50. That's what we use in missions

[wide quest]

Ah yes, we've finally reached an understanding, but yeah it's all good in the end since you've just learned something new and we've finally resolved the issue. Have a nice day otherwise.

[plush tendon]

really sad honestly haha - i love their moveset and the deflector perk

[harsh cobalt]

yall just jealous that vets and ogryns are besties, that's what it's about

[stoic mural]

is it just me, or does it seem like the stave quell's peril faster than the sword?

[stoic tendon]

honestly the force force swords basic attacks are so bad i wont use it

[surreal girder]

Mk V axe is good for horde clear.

[plush tendon]

eh i cb'f checking, but anecdotally it seems slowest in the first and last ~20%, then speeds up in the middle

[ruby merlin]

@stoic tendon I mean I would use it, since you can weave push light heavy push etc. But the low passive quell is a dealbreaker for me.

[shut thorn]

4 psykers clears t5 in 14min

[tender cipher]

Yeah because you can just afk cheese everything with AoE.

[ruby merlin]

I res my ogryns @harsh cobalt, we're best friends 😛

[stoic mural]

stupid question, the feat that converts blocks to peril, can you blow yourself up by blocking? Not in the game right now to read the tooltip

[shut thorn]

[shut swallow]

Am I right in believing the staves have the fastest active quell speed? I've been habitually switching to my stave to quell and haven't really hard tested it.

[ruby merlin]

only class that doesn't hate witches lol.

[harsh cobalt]

once you find 4 psykers not afraid of t5 we'll talk

[ruby merlin]

@stoic mural No you can't, it stops blocking above a certain %

and it switches to stam

[stoic mural]

@ruby merlin try

[shut swallow]

If BB scaled then I would consider taking my psyker to damnation.

[fast cloak]

I ran with a pack of 3 ogryn yesterday. Can you imagine the smell in that dropship.

[stoic mural]

ty*

[harsh cobalt]

I know you lot, all theorycrafting here. With your big brains, you think you're smart. Nobody can outsmart a bullet, brainy

[shut thorn]

Caramel, most ppl here run t5

[ruby merlin]

@harsh cobalt I mean damnation is very nice on psyker

[harsh cobalt]

true, it needs to scale

[lethal plover]

Oh stop trolling if you don't have anything to add

[ruby merlin]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1665182358

This guy is one of the best players in the game probably

and he's half memeing and limit testing on psyker on damnation

[harsh cobalt]

damn, dude played DT for 7 years. Must've been an early build

[shut thorn]

Damb hes played psyker for 7 yrs

[ruby merlin]

But yeah, really smooth gameplay, good clutch moments every now and then.

[copper raft]

guy came from the future

[ruby merlin]

@shut thorn vt 1 and 2, a lot of stuff carried over.

He's the guy who figured out dark tide stats btw, before the devs added the numbers

[shut thorn]

No hes been playing darktide for 7 yrs

[fluid timber]

he was stuck in the warp for a while

[harsh cobalt]

has there been any true solo run on damnation already? I can't find anything from usual suspects like jsat yet

[ruby merlin]

Rofl

Don't think so yet, game is harder to true solo given all the ranged mobs.

[shut thorn]

Bots ruin it

[magic hull]

potential?

[ruby merlin]

I mean you can just let them die early

[harsh cobalt]

have 3 buddies. Let them jump off a cliff at the start. True solo

[ember kiln]

Is this any good guys?

[eager moat]

no

[harsh cobalt]

I'm sure there would be enough people willing to spectate true solo damnation

[shut thorn]

Cuz of how director wrks, specials start getting spammed if ppl arw idle

[shut swallow]

There are also a few choice places in maps like chasm logistratum that let you bait bots into suicide.

[edgy cedar]

I dont like flurry on void, it feels awkward

[ruby merlin]

@harsh cobalt I think it'll just be tough for any class to deal with all the ranged mobs solo, without coherency for easy toughness regen.

[shut thorn]

Ehhh

[lethal plover]

Either j_sat or chocob will solo t5

[harsh cobalt]

yes, it'd be tough. So I want to see if it's even doable. Watching true solo cata+ in VT2 was fun

[ruby merlin]

If there was a mode where ranged trash doesn't spawn, I can see someone doing it for sure.

@harsh cobalt Yeah for sure

[wide quest]

Another problem is that the same type of special can have more than 2 of em at the same time.

I once had 4 mutants

[harsh cobalt]

that happened in VT2

[wide quest]

It did? Probably not as common as here

[shut thorn]

Damnation also likes to spam 3x dog or mutie

[wide quest]

I didn't notice it as much