psyker-class

[native thorn]

it gives 2 stacks per proc

[long wharf]

dots don't trigger the 10% BB

[indigo cypress]

i cri

[trail forge]

what weapon should I use to complete cliffhanger or is it all in the special ability that pushes people back

[native thorn]

the limit of 6 is a soft limit based on how often the staff procs it

[indigo cypress]

Force Sword pushes in all directions, that should make it easier

[native thorn]

sword getting lucky could potentially proc more

[long wharf]

the purge staff adds a stack every tick of its damage

[stray cipher]

Crit and weakpoint are different correct? What is even the crit rate of a force sword?

[native thorn]

so they set limit of 10

[long wharf]

the issue is one of how long a stack lasts and how long it takes you to add stacks

[jagged jay]

Duelling sword or force sword and why?

[native thorn]

depends on staff and build

[urban dove]

wait Void staff can get the Blazing Soul Blessing right so what if we just do a Soulfire build around that

lol

[native thorn]

they do different things

[long wharf]

pointless

[jagged jay]

can you give examples?

[urban dove]

SHUSH YOUR FACE PFHONIX LET ME COPE

[long wharf]

either you're wiping out small fry so soulblaze isn't doing anything, or you're trying to help take down an elite, and you're not going to be effective at stacking it up on them

[stray cipher]

I feel like surge would be a good staff for blazing spirit because it crits a lot

[long wharf]

honestly, the purge staff is perfect for Blazing Spirit

it needs to have it

[stray cipher]

But I don't think surge can roll blazing spirit sadly

[long wharf]

it's going to be the only way a purge staff will be good against the bigger targets

[urban dove]

they need to up soulblaze duration and stack limit

thats it

[long wharf]

they need to up soulblaze base damage

[wide quest]

My luck for gear is shit, can't even get an item that's at least 360 base

[urban igloo]

Isn't the melee on the purge staff the only thing that can crit?

[long wharf]

purge attack can crit

[urban dove]

no cuz the point should be to stack it high so the base dammage doesnt matter

[long wharf]

the base damage 100% matters

[native thorn]

You can pair surge staff with a dueling and the 5% toughness per 10% quell feat. Spam lightning then wade into a fight with your sword and let the passive quell you get(since you don't build peril with shove attack or special, FS does) provide some nice toughness restore while in melee without having to manually quell

[urban dove]

cuz even now on non armored shit it does like 500 dammage per tick just with like 6 stacks

[clear heath]

DoTs don't scale with anything right?

[urban dove]

on crushers it does 15

lol

[long wharf]

where are you getting that 500 number from?

I'm unable to get anywhere near that on a tick damage

[onyx sentinel]

Is the voidstrike staff any good on higher levels?

[jagged jay]

Ah. Surge is real too. Just spam lightning on hordes to kill while looking cool, or tie down elites and wait for ur team to stop faffing about

[loud ibex]

worth buying guys im lev el 29

[clear heath]

it would be a shame if it does the same damage to enemies in dif 1 as it does in damnation...

[long wharf]

it's considered the best

nothing clears a horde as fast as a well positioned void user, with the sole exception of a flamer

and with the right blessing, the void user won't stop clearing the horde

[native thorn]

But yeah in general I'd pick a staff, figure out what can get you killed using that staff and then pick a melee weapon to prevent that. Surge isn't great at horde clear so the better cleave of dueling plus the whole passive tick down thing helps you fight em better

[urban dove]

ok retested it on bulwarks max stacks without it stacks falling off it does 285 per tick

[jagged jay]

I'm really like the FS's special attack, eats through elites. (This is on malice with a shitty 183 FS). I hope it holds up on higher difficulties.

[urban dove]

on t5s

[native thorn]

FS specials always hit like a truck

Nice to pair with a staff good into hordes like purg or void

[long wharf]

force sword special is, I think, the single highest attack damage any class can do with melee

[native thorn]

I think hammer might win

[clear heath]

ok but hammer sucks

[jagged jay]

zealot hammer 1 shots bulwarks

[urban dove]

Hammer full charge deff wins

[jagged jay]

if you hit their skin

[white badger]

FS Special is armor piercing

[native thorn]

FS didn't even let charged hammer swing through things

It HAS to do more damage

[long wharf]

forgot about hammer, but using the hammer special is a lot slower than the force sword special

[native thorn]

oh yeah I agree

[white badger]

Also, I don't think Hammer is armor piercing

[urban dove]

one full charge Force does around , One full charge hammer does like 1300

for 700

[loud ibex]

any advice please guys dont wana waste my stuff

[onyx sentinel]

Oh okay, I got the impression that the flame or the sith lightning staff clears better

[loud ibex]

worth buying?

[native thorn]

I haven't seen anyone do more dps than me hugging a boss and spamming FS specials

[clear heath]

Hey just to make sure, you know those helmeted enemies take more damage from the chest than to the head right?

[long wharf]

surge isn't for clearing hordes

[jagged jay]

oh shit, i just realized the FS special does even more damage if you do a heavy attack. It 1 shots that mauler I showed.

[long wharf]

surge is for locking down groups of enemies

[native thorn]

They both control better, void kills better

[jagged jay]

ye ik, purposefully hit the head to show how good it was even against carapace.

[long wharf]

void charged shot will stagger almost all non-bosses

but you have to aim it, whereas with surge you kinda don't

[native thorn]

Yes but you can sweep wide with flamethrower

[long wharf]

and surge hits through cover

in the end, it comes down to team comp

[native thorn]

Also surge shocks

better cc

[white badger]

Yep, it's team comp

[long wharf]

if your team needs horde clear, go void

[clear heath]

The main reason i prefer surge over flame is just to stagger bulwarks to make them stop blocking

[onyx urchin]

surge has some good crit potential too.

[white badger]

If you have a zealot with a flamer, your flame staff is useless

[clear heath]

The people i play with keep wiping to bulwark swarms

[long wharf]

if your team can generally handle horde clear, go surge as it makes everyone's lives easier

[onyx sentinel]

I see

[stray cipher]

Honestly Surge does some pretty decent damage

[native thorn]

The better your team, the better surge gets

[stray cipher]

When it crits at least

[urban dove]

I still think a full PURGE build out clears a Flamer

[white badger]

Yeah. Surge is always good.

[onyx urchin]

surge dps is really good.

[jagged jay]

btw what's the beast duelling sword variant for horde clear?

[wispy tangle]

siblings, i have enough excess crafting mats to upgrade another one of my nice staves to legendary, do i upgrade my purgatus staff or my voidstrike staff?

[wide quest]

Mk iv I think?

[urban dove]

unless your a full purge user go void

[onyx urchin]

depends on the base staff ratings. I've been aiming to only upgrade things 350-360+.

[wispy tangle]

feats are free and easy to swap around for builds so no problems there

[white badger]

I think Purge would shine in a premade where you are the primary horde control.

[wispy tangle]

i have good staves for both

[native thorn]

if you're gonna try the surge/dueling sword then bear in mind the "block generates peril" does not stop peril from auto quelling

[urban dove]

if your going to do a purge staff you have to go all in for your feats

[jagged jay]

So i infinitely gain and quell peril at the same time?

[urban dove]

you cant just run a Purge with a BB feets build it will just make it useless

[native thorn]

So any block just adds to your quell into toughness pool

psyker is secretly a pretty good tank

[wispy tangle]

yeah i know, no issues swapping feats around for diff staves

[candid temple]

Pain.

[urban dove]

true

[long wharf]

I still question this, but I don't have a force sword with deflector to test

[wispy tangle]

sounds like everyone wants me to go purgatus, no love for voidstrike?

[native thorn]

Sorry I meant the feat

I haven't tested it myself yet but someone here confirmed

[candid temple]

first sword in store with deflector I've seen since open beta.

[long wharf]

you can't be a tank if you can't block ranged attacks

[white badger]

Voidstrike is pretty solid, and it's still good even if you have a zealot with flamer

[urban dove]

no the Void is 100% better

[teal needle]

Voidstrike is chad stick, purgatus is for babies

[long wharf]

you'll just get gunned down

[clear heath]

I mean, you just need to take ascendant blaze to make purg work

[urban dove]

I think you also need Kenetic OVerload

[native thorn]

I guess I exaggerated, I didn't mean main tank

[hot surge]

siblings after playing around with voidstrike post lvl 25, I have come around

void strike is GOAT

[clear heath]

I don't see why you would ever want kenetic overload

[candid temple]

Yes.

[urban dove]

Accendent Blaze and Kenetic Oerload go hand in hand

[clear heath]

it seems like garbage

[native thorn]

But you can take a pretty big beating

[candid temple]

setting elites on fire is garbage? 🤔

[white badger]

The GOAT changes by difficulty level

[stray cipher]

I think kinetic overload would be great, if it didn't share a line with Flayer and Battery

[native thorn]

and teammates

[urban dove]

Accendent blaze gives you a bizzion Warp Charges and Kenetic Overload Radomly Gives things max stacks of Soulblaze

[clear heath]

setting 1 elite on fire for 20 damage per second is garbage, yes

[native thorn]

Void is probs best generalist staff

[white badger]

Yeah, and teammates

[hot surge]

waiting for a higher level surge drop bc yeah in premades thats gonna be better but void is a good swiss army knife

[native thorn]

agreed

[candid temple]

whether surge is better, depends on your team.

[native thorn]

Which also makes it most forgiving in playing different melee weapons

[candid temple]

and cc requirements.

[hot surge]

im thinking bc im using void often I should use 2 instead of 3 for first line

[sleek hornet]

when does surge staff unlock

[native thorn]

8

[hot surge]

bc im killing with void more than im quelling

[clear heath]

bro kinetic overload is insane!!11

[echo parrot]

Think this is worth grabbing as a non-force melee?

[hot surge]

honestly only non-force melee valid to me so far is mkv axe

[clear heath]

Man, why don't DoT's scale?
Who thought soulblaze should do the same amount of damage on Damnation as they do on Sedition?

[pine iris]

emporer's gift. decent roll, no use for it

[candid temple]

308 only

not worth it

[cyan echo]

Maybe someone at Fatshark was bullied by a psyker as a child

[hot surge]

dots in general seem weak

[urban igloo]

He gifted me too sibling

[hot surge]

purgatus only does big deepees as long as you're clicking

then its like an itch for the dot

[native thorn]

Half the roster aims for fat head shots and massive hits

[fringe lodge]

what is viable as psyker on heresy and damnation?

[native thorn]

Kinda makes dots less relevant

[stray cipher]

Does any player source damage scale with higher difficulty? I don't think there is?

[candid temple]

void, surge

[pine iris]

I didnt know soul blaze doesn't scale. that gives me hope that BB not scaling and soulblaze are just oversights

[clear heath]

no but at least it scales with gear

[teal needle]

Force sword or dueling sword for melee, void staff, surge staff. Honestly you can bring purgatus but only if you really trust your veterans

[clear heath]

DoT's are the same on a level 1 player with starter gear hitting a Diff 1 enemy, as they are on a maxed out player with endgame gear hitting damnation enemies

what the fuck are DoT's balanced to handle?

[unkempt juniper]

voidstrike staff, surge staff, recon lasgun w/ bb on hit feat

or, you know, whatever you like

[hot surge]

wait

guns can roll with bb shit?

[unkempt juniper]

yeah

[late tundra]

Guys, is there someone else having troubles with Malleus Monstronum? Did it three times, but penance never gave a single nurgling about that, so no cool armor for me.

[hot surge]

holy shit

[loud ibex]

Should i save my contract tokens for a good legendary

[pine iris]

the souldblaze on F feat is so good though, a run saver here and there

[unkempt juniper]

its great with the mk6d recon lasgun(the blue one)

[unkempt juniper]

yes

[fringe lodge]

i think everything seems viable as long as you coordinate with your team

[native thorn]

Hey now

The first staff is so bad I forgot its name

[peak sundial]

trauma

[native thorn]

Well named

[clear heath]

lmao

[peak sundial]

fooooreal

[native thorn]

Coz I blocked it out

[cyan echo]

did you do it in Heresy?

[hot surge]

its immediately viable of it didnt have a max range

[latent ingot]

1 more...

[native thorn]

Yeah it'd be great for popping distant groups

Main issue imo is trauma staff just feels very bad to have when things are going to shit

[late tundra]

Yep. In Heresy, all damage done by me, on second attempt I was three rooms behind my team with Plague Ogryn 1-on-1.

[spring nest]

best staff?

[late tundra]

Void.

[spring nest]

danke

[shadow quail]

Surge/void

Surge for cc

[brave estuary]

Guys, quick quetsion. Regarding the rolls on stuff in shop and its rating. What does it scale with? Your current bought or Trust lvl or what?

[uncut hamlet]

the highest in your inventory i think

[brave estuary]

Coz I feel like the shopkeeper is trolling me sometimes with his... AMAZING weapon rolls

[worthy star]

lemme just hop into a random match to grief my team by killing myself to finish a penance. Now thats what i call good game design

[warped widget]

anyone got and 500 Ilvl items?

[native thorn]

people do this every day shooting daemonhosts, don't feel too bad

[brave estuary]

If used properly and at good time, you can save the day... as I did. Boombed myself by accident. Killed whole horde and elites included. Easy penance

[floral charm]

is it me or is this blessing really ass for staffs

[hybrid thicket]

anyone have the t3 helm yet so i can see if its gucci or not

[hybrid thicket]

its kinda ass

[iron sundial]

Fellow siblings why have people been saying psyker is trash? Is it because of BB the stacks and it being a long cast and not scaling?

[teal cargo]

Surge is good I think!

keep stunning enemies

[onyx urchin]

ngl if this was on my surge staff it'd be good if soulblaze did more dmg, since they crit a lot.

[clear heath]

pretty much

[teal cargo]

you cant do as much dmg as other classes and all but its a lotta stun

[brave estuary]

They say as they fear what they do not understand

[clear heath]

It can't roll on surge staff. Only Trauma and Voidstrike

So it's ass on every staff that can actually get it

[iron sundial]

Typical non-Psykers

[teal cargo]

Their brains are too small

[native thorn]

partly that, partly most players wanting to murder above all else

Psykers big utility

[hybrid thicket]

Psykers are more support than damage

[floral charm]

imagine getting that blessing on the blaze force sword

[clear heath]

Just embrace being a walking stun grenade

[native thorn]

A solid surge psyker is gonna do more for the team than a bit more damage

[clear heath]

no damage, just stun

[brave estuary]

We can do some good dmg, but yea, our role is to babysit them Sharpshooters and Fanatics

[shadow quail]

Have so much control with surge+force sword

[native thorn]

also when we're in a party everyone else gets more resources

[worthy star]

idk man level 30 with a shit load of hours past 30 and its never happened. Ive played too much sienna.

[iron sundial]

Yeah I've started playing psyker and I've been enjoying it so far even on malice as a lvl 12 lol
My surge staff does not do much damage but that cc helps out a lot so I dont really care and I help take out bulwarks, crushers, those far away specials and elites in cover
Also the F ability knocking back the horde

[ornate hamlet]

jw id

[native thorn]

Nice! Yeah solid surge play is amazing

[iron sundial]

Pretty solid class so far I prefer it to Sienna from VT2

[young garnet]

the L H LL H LL H combo on force sword kills hordes really well for how little love it gets here

[native thorn]

It's really easy to reduce damage the homies take

[brave estuary]

Get ogryn to help. Literal amazing to do it if rest of ppl wont grief you. W8 for horde, ask Ogryn to do some slaps with bleed included

[shadow quail]

You can spam it like crazy and it still does 90% of the DPS if you quick cast then swap into melee

[brave estuary]

W8 a sec, and then detonate

[native thorn]

just to check, are you full charging?

[floral charm]

Thoughts?

[native thorn]

In general it's better to quick charge

Stun duration does not depend on surge charge

[iron sundial]

Nope just quick charges since I get out a lot

So longer stun duration

[native thorn]

nice

[worthy wasp]

A suggestion for anyone who hasnt tried it already;

Antax MkV is an absolute powerhouse of a weapon on Psyker

[iron sundial]

Full charges dont seem worth it when I tested it out

Sure more damage but less shocking results for the time

[floral charm]

yeah doing the 6 charge perk isnt really worth

[native thorn]

Yeah, you're right

[worthy wasp]

I'd place it on the same tier as FS, has more killing power but you give up deflector

[stray cipher]

100% this, with Kinetic Deflection and how strong that Antax MKV push attack is, I don't see me going back to force sword until maybe they nerf or 'fix' the quelling speed of non force melee weapons

[floral charm]

Deflector is cool af with kinetic deflection perk

[clear heath]

6 charge makes sense if you're doing purg and making up for charge generation with ascendant blaze

[floral charm]

but i love mind in motion

[loud ibex]

Guys what stats am i looking for on a voidstaff

[onyx sentinel]

What are the level unlocks for staff now?

[floral charm]

I started noticing staff unlocks 13+ level

Its also random what you can get in the shop too

[worthy wasp]

The thing is with Force Sword:

Deflector is great, but I found that most times when there are a ton of gunners I'm either ccing stuff with Surge Staff or picking off shit with BB.

Moral of the story: I dont have my melee out so lol @ deflector.

The time you really have to pull out your melee tbqh is when you got a horde in your face, and I'd argue Antax handle that better than FS

[native thorn]

Inquisitorial information gathering so good that they don't send a single staff for a psyker

[night marten]

[inland needle]

The hek is an Antax? Is that an axe or sword?

[brave estuary]

Axe

[floral charm]

axe

[worthy wasp]

Axe, SPECIFICALLY the Mk V

[hushed thicket]

toughness or max hp

[native thorn]

add to this that FS can stop your passive quell reducing your peril -> toughness conversion

[inland needle]

Might explain why I don't know it. Been avoiding the axes as the main source of my misery has been without fail hordes

[brave estuary]

Have one gonna use and check

[inland needle]

I miss my power sword on Veteran, it's far too frakking good

[stray cipher]

Deflector would be way cooler if it would 'catch' the bullets while guarding, and then a push attack would shoot them where you're aiming

[iron sundial]

We need more force weapons I personally would like a force spear

[clear heath]

toughness

[tropic halo]

being psyker is to live a life of pain, especially when veterans decide not to shoot their guns on heresy for some reason

[urban igloo]

I had a mission with a psyker who said that one of his penances was really hard, he kept running off and dying over and over. I asked which penance and he said cliffhanger, we were in the cryonic rod mission and he was trying to push shit off upper platforms the whole time

[native thorn]

toughness also lets you double dip. Increases the amount of toughness per peril from quietude

[iron sundial]

How about when veterans shoot the target you are BBing

[stray cipher]

As it is you just kinda use deflector to walk up to ranged enemies, but they're usually spread out so that if you start meleeing you get shot anyways

[inland needle]

Yikes

[tropic halo]

that's fine. as long as the elite's dead.

[iron sundial]

See blue light on head must shoot

[native thorn]

what's bb

[worthy wasp]

Ye, was having the same issue until some beta tester suggested the Antax MkV on launch day. I thought he was crazy, who the hell uses an axe for horde clear? But nah, its an absolute beast of a weapon. Anti-everything

[native thorn]

my grenade is a target painter

[brave estuary]

I mean, thats also helping them target the head

[iron sundial]

Brain burst

[native thorn]

sorry it was joke

[iron sundial]

but muh stacks!

[brave estuary]

Idc if I get the stack, as long as the target is dead

[iron sundial]

Tho dont care about stacks

[clear heath]

yes i love using my grenade to help vets aim

[brave estuary]

I managed to hold em for 300 sec at max stacks

never more

[fringe spear]

Wait. Brain burst actually does damage? I just thought it was a 2 second target painter for the vets/zealots

[iron sundial]

I did that in uprising when I first made my psyker

[iron sundial]

WAs wondering why i didnt get it then realised have to do it on malice kek

[native thorn]

no, no. It generates peril too!

[hushed thicket]

does toughness regeneration affects per peril

[fringe spear]

That makes sense!

[worthy wasp]

The thing is that makes Psyker uniquely good w/ push attack weapons in melee... Kinetic Deflection.

If any other class were to spam push attacks theyd have 0 stam and get overwhelmed by Berserkers. Not the Psykinetic because we can use Peril to block

[native thorn]

if you have quietude then when you quell you get toughness back

And it's % based so you get more back the higher your toughness

[white badger]

I'm pretty sure Veterans have a feat that gives them extra XP for shooting blue-glowing heads 😉

[clear heath]

That's not unique to quietude. All the other toughness feats are also % based

[iron sundial]

Increase crit and power by 100%

[native thorn]

I haven't played any other class long enough to unlock feats

[clear heath]

this logic applies to every class
and every class should get toughness for this reason

[worthy wasp]

I personally run Essence Harvest

But Quietitude is generally the best

[stray cipher]

Increased threat generation...against psykers

[white badger]

Heh

[clear heath]

As far as i can tell, every source of toughness recovery in the game is % based

[iron sundial]

I do like that feat could always use my force sword to get my toughness back

[clear heath]

Maybe the toughness on melee kill isn't? idk

[worthy wasp]

I go:

121133

If I used Force Sword I'd go:

321133 instead

[unkempt juniper]

force sword activate should grant a warp charge tbqh

[clear heath]

I go 121333

[native thorn]

non force swords quell passively so you get to keep choppin

stack peril -> into melee -> peril low -> back to casting

pretty fun

[iron sundial]

Yeah but it's a situational thing with what i do there

[worthy wasp]

Spam Surge CC -> Melee with Antax -> rinse repeat

[unkempt juniper]

is that the combat axe or tactical axe?

[worthy wasp]

Combat

Mk V

[native thorn]

Works so nicely with surge imo

either you're safe because you can stun

[loud ibex]

Is force sword still the main one to go? im level 29 with a 250 force sword because they are never on sale

[native thorn]

or you're safe because free toughness

[clear heath]

It's amazing how fatshark put in the effort to put 2 different animations for the staff weapon special

i bet most people will never even see it

[native thorn]

I love bonking random loners between actual fights

[fluid timber]

you just reminded me that they have specials

[native thorn]

FS/mk v axe/duelist seem to be what people are finding success with

[worthy wasp]

Its got decent stagger lol

[fluid timber]

i used it hit ppl with it in the beta and then i went into the meatgrinder and saw the damage

[proud hare]

what do yall think about my new axe?

[native thorn]

depending on build

[unkempt juniper]

what is the combat axe special attack good for?

[teal cargo]

How is the Chainsword?

i like t he heavies

you just chop through a lotta people

[unkempt juniper]

chainsword feels like a weaker force sword tbqh

[teal cargo]

oh?

[native thorn]

also as a general tip pick your staff first and find a melee to complement it

[worthy wasp]

^

[teal cargo]

chainsword got a cool special

[bold maple]

mk5 dueling sword deal more dps than chainsword special

that tells you all you need to know

[teal cargo]

oh? oof

[native thorn]

horde clear melee with a purg and you gonna have a bad time

[loud ibex]

@native thorn can you answer me a few questions in pm?

[teal cargo]

i like mk5

its pretty good too

[worthy wasp]

If you do try the antax mkv combat axe.... push attack

[stray cipher]

Yeah there's something weird about MK5 dueling sword heavies specifically with maniacs. Deals like 1k damage per heavy

[worthy wasp]

Dont go into a horde spamming lights

[teal cargo]

mk5 has good light spam

vs hordes

the sword

[ivory gulch]

I've been trying out this build and it works

[tropic halo]

Im not gonna complain, mutants are a pain in the butt during hordes

[worthy wasp]

That right there is exactly what I'd do with a purg staff build

[ivory gulch]

yep i run that too

I like the smell of burning heretics in the morning

[zinc phoenix]

Better combos tho

[worthy wasp]

Ye feel like FS is mostly for utility and is best used when you spend most your time spamming staff attacks

But its excellent in its role

[tidal adder]

Does the game work for yall?

[unkempt juniper]

hardly

[tender cipher]

Yeah I tend to use it either to res people or to snipe elites in melee.

[tidal adder]

No i mean rn

[worthy wasp]

Update nvidia drivers

[fringe garden]

What's good about kinetic deflection? Does it do something more than just use peril instead of stamina?

[slate seal]

I think I am missing something with void staffs. I just got one and the damage feels very meh.

Is it just something that scales really well as weapons get better?

[teal needle]

With void staff you shoot the fireball at head height and it melts heads in a line like a railgun

[candid temple]

it penetrates infinite targets.

[icy harbor]

damn, got a really shit blessing on an otherwise great axe

[ivory gulch]

it is insane when you have the defelctor trait

[slate seal]

Just hold right click and spam left click headhight?

[ivory gulch]

you block lasgun, bullets, the servo skull Hadron throws at you, everything

[velvet trail]

Even without deflector, it doesn't trigger the auto-quell lockout so you just consistently lose peril even as you block

[onyx sentinel]

is the peril meter supposed to be just a skull on the middle of your screen?

I recall seeing pre-release footage of it being a bar

[lyric apex]

Fellas, can you tell me, am I doing something wrong? I charge this bad boy up and I zap crowds of scabs/dregs and it only hits 3-4 of them and rarely even kills them, have to zap em 2-3 times.

it's stats seem to be pretty good; is the staff crap or am I crap?

[tidal adder]

Staffs about cc not dmg

[tropic halo]

its not so much to kill but more so stun. you can charge more to do more damage though. the staff could use more damage and quell speed.

[lyric apex]

tbh my flame staff does more work than this one

and cc's better

[ivory gulch]

zap dmg is pretty low, its more cc than dish out dmg

[tidal adder]

Your flaˇe stadf cant cc ogryns

[ivory gulch]

you want dps, go for voidstrike and purgatus

[lyric apex]

Flame staff isn't that great either in terms of damage but it gives good s*x

[tropic halo]

if flame staff fits your playstyle and to your liking more, all the more power to ya

[icy harbor]

should I drop the weapon or upgrade further?

[ivory gulch]

check my build up there and try it out, its good

[loud ibex]

Guys whats your opinions on buying this at level 29, are they good stats?

[subtle flame]

should i go for warp absorption or quiettude?

[pale basalt]

It was and honestly i liked it better

[twilit path]

I've given the Spark staff many opportunities. And I gotta say, it doesn't seem to hit as many enemies as I want.

[ivory gulch]

not the ultimate dmg but it works for malice

[subtle flame]

also how do you see the number stats? or is that only on the steam version?

[icy harbor]

depends, for flame build, warp absorption is nice. For everything else, go quiettude. esepcially at higher difficulties

EDIT NVM warp absorption sucks

[loud ibex]

@ivory gulch would you save my tokens then hoping for something better?

[jolly tiger]

so, im reading through psyker's feats here. i can't be the only one who thinks this class seems to weak right? some of these feats are so just... unimpactful

[tropic halo]

again, up to you. i like surge and i play heresy all the time. it does the job for me.

[icy harbor]

essence harvest for flame build, quietitude for everything else

[twilit path]

Ye. Plus, you can't beat Blue Flames

[tropic halo]

i wont lie though, wish the purge had more power like the zealot thrower does.

[subtle flame]

are you on the steam version?

[lyric apex]

yesh

[subtle flame]

the xbox version apparently doesnt get the percentages next to stat bars...

[icy harbor]

imagine a full team of psykers all using surge staffs, zapping everyting including elites since its +40% dmg with 4 psykers.

[subtle flame]

thats so dumb

[lyric apex]

I'm not sure those auras stack @icy harbor

[ivory gulch]

it kind of depends how much time you have farming tokes, if you have no life like me, i get 2k plus token every week, then buying it is nothing.

[icy harbor]

it'd be insanely dumb if they don't since you can not control who is on your team

[lyric apex]

yep

[crisp yacht]

in the lfg channel what do they different abbreviations mean? nasa, emea, apac

[grim bay]

its confirmed they dont

[icy harbor]

thats so bad 🤢

[loud ibex]

@ivory gulch ill get my tokens every week, Would that staff be good enough for level 4 difficuilty?

[onyx sentinel]

am I crazy or is locked-on brain burst faster than manual charging?

[grim bay]

nah, if they stacked then Zealot would have 90% Dmg reduction with 4 LOL

[icy harbor]

so you actually get punished for playing with randoms.....

[ivory gulch]

im not sure, heresy difficulty is not really about individual but how team holds and push slowly and methodically

[icy harbor]

ig, nerf the zealot )))

[grim bay]

Not punished for not having it

[lyric apex]

and it'd be absurdly broken if you stacked a single class so you can cheese the game by getting ridiculous bonuses 😮

[grim bay]

thats like saying you are punished for using anything outside for BiS weapon / Class

different playstyles/ different perks

[icy harbor]

if I don't have a zealot on my team I suffer more damage, that sounds like punishment

[warm frigate]

the lighting staff apparently does extra damage to armoured targets

[grim bay]

If you dont have Zealot you gain something else

?

[loud ibex]

@ivory gulch i play with my friend whos a preacher all the time so would i be better sutied with a surge or purg instead of my void

[lyric apex]

just be the zealot

[grim bay]

No zealot? less dmg? Well now you have double Ogry Tank Protection? gain something lose something

[young veldt]

Warp absorption. replainsh toughness when you kill with a warp attack. What exactly defines a warp attack

[grim bay]

and thats assuming you are always in a tight group to be in range for buffs

which is like 5% of the time for "pubs"

[upbeat garnet]

How exactly does the lightning work? More damage and enemies hit fully charged?

[icy harbor]

(if I don't have a zealot, I have one double class and a non stacking skill there

[grim bay]

its so easy to find things to be upset about that in reality dont actually matter at all

[ivory gulch]

I originally use voidstrike, but it doesnt kill horde efficiently. I recommend purg build, clears horde, kill elites with your head pop, if you can get your hand on a force sword with deflector, you are ready to go

[icy harbor]

don't fully charge, just spam at highest rate possible

[grim bay]

and you have a double class giving double the performance of X class 100% of the time vs a buff thats up 10% of the time MAX in a pug group

its not that complicated xD

[ivory gulch]

I will give heresy level a try and share my thoughts

[icy harbor]

damnnnnn, my mk5 axe really doesn't like people with armor

[upbeat garnet]

looking for dmg vs horde type things? can it crit?

[proud hare]

thoughts

[surreal lichen]

Head pop/staff abilities/force sword when its charged

[icy harbor]

na, its a weapon for killing elites really. So those skills come in handy actually

[young veldt]

What about staff basic shot?

[icy harbor]

very nice imo, lost a bit of damage but that doesn't matter for a CC stagger. Warp resistance is ehh though

[tropic halo]

Fine enough. Worth upgrading till you see what blessing pops up, then you can guess whether it's worth continuing to use it or grab a higher number one

[surreal lichen]

Anything but the melee swings on them, sorry shouldve clarified that

[proud hare]

ill prob wait tbh rn im just using this

[tropic halo]

Hot damn

[vagrant cedar]

i find high damage high capacity better

3-4x the dmg

less time you're out of cover

less time you can get shot

pew pew pew

[worthy wasp]

I think long term the play is gonna be doing weeklies like grims and scrips in t3 then farming gear in t5

[main chasm]

Is it better to stack toughness or health with the curios?

[shadow quail]

Toughness

[ivory gulch]

tried voidstrike, does not work

[long wharf]

good god, the penance to kill 5 elites/specials with BB in 12s is straight cancer

[tropic halo]

yeah you definitely need to form up a group for that.

[long wharf]

had one, and the game just wouldn't cooperate

[tropic halo]

i hate the psyker penances so much.

[ivory gulch]

the suicide bomb for 3 elite kill is hard too

[inland needle]

I got that one by sheer chance earlier today

[ivory gulch]

i called a group aiming exactly for it and had no luck

[elfin smelt]

Anyone have any tips for the Going out with a bang penance?

[inland needle]

Saw two ragers that the team had already put shells into, wasn't sure about anything else but we were also on the verge of being overwhelmed

[ivory gulch]

sometimes it doesnt do enough dmg, sometimes elites are not close enough

[elfin smelt]

Besides sheer chance lol

[inland needle]

So I overcharged and got three Elites by chance

[long wharf]

that one's not too bad

[inland needle]

Be lucky
Have a team and/or friends willing to help
Don't die until you blow up

Also, everything needs at least one bullet put into them to die from a psybomb explosion

[tropic halo]

aye i do that penance yesterday with a group of 3 others from here

[inland needle]

Gunners (both kinds) need exactly one, Ragers need maybe 4 or 5 from a decent lasgun, and I am not going to even guesstimate the numbers on Ogryns

After that it's herding them into a corner or choke and blowing up with them all in range

[ivory gulch]

hope theres some trait adding explosion radius or dmg

[tropic halo]

what ghost said, not very hard luckily with friends. easier to find a group of ragers early on in a game with horde. easy to block and push them around.

you can effectively block and push stun elites like you're holding them in reserve until you got three elites.

[ivory gulch]

this is where i find designers are bit unimaginative

[inland needle]

The only other hint I can offer is have a friend deliberately die
When someone is captured, they have 2-3 Elites spawn next to them

[tropic halo]

that happens? that explains a lot.

[elfin smelt]

Wow, you two are a wealth of knowledge. Time to put it into action, thanks lads

[magic hull]

worth???

[long wharf]

yes

[tropic halo]

if you need a group to help you with that penance, lemme know. i can add at least. if im around or my internet isnt shitting itself

[near wyvern]

Not really, warp resistance sucks. You take surge for the CC it provides.

[twilit path]

Is there a dps difference between Half Charging it and fully charging it?

[worthy wasp]

Who cares about surge dps lol

Dont even charge the thing

[onyx urchin]

TIL, so long as you start at 99% peril, you can start a brain burst and not die to warp.

[ivory gulch]

i find quiettitude just works better overall

[twilit path]

Lies

[worthy wasp]

Charging surge staff doesnt increase time it CCs

[twilit path]

Wait

Nvm

Misread

[worthy wasp]

So dont charge it

When spamming

[twilit path]

Bruh

No wonder everyone likes it

[light mantle]

Wait really?
Theres no benefit to charging it?

[twilit path]

I've been Fully charging it all this time

[worthy wasp]

Charging it raises the dps

[candid temple]

:d

[worthy wasp]

But lol @ surge dps

You use surge for cc

[unkempt juniper]

how do i get this hat

[light mantle]

Oh I see
Thank you

[worthy wasp]

So just spam uncharged secondaries with it

[icy harbor]

surge dps is irrelevant

[cyan notch]

that looks comically large

[worthy wasp]

Heres the thing: Surge doesnt do bad damage. But if all the specials/ogryn are CCd.... youre party is gonna have zero issues with em. Its by far the best CC/utility/support in the game

[twilit path]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/spaceballs/images/2/25/Dark_Helmet.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181223231601

[twilit path]

So it's best to use it for it's cc, not dps?

[worthy wasp]

Ye, the cc is why ppl love it

[twilit path]

Ok

That clears things up

[icy harbor]

yes

[tight saddle]

These black and white answers are painful to read, there are way more nuances to VT/DT's combat than some of these answers imply.

[onyx urchin]

Use for CC and love the crits that come from it.(71% crit bonus)

[worthy wasp]

There are far better staffs for dps

[tight saddle]

I don't know what part of my message implied I was calling it a DPS weapon.

I didn't even compare staffs or anything remotely similar to that type of conversation.

[icy harbor]

nope, there is meta and non meta. And if someone asks about certain things why would you recommend the things that are not meta

[gray kelp]

just got another 340 grey voidstrike in shop, surely I won't roll bad perks/blessings this time 🙂

[cyan notch]

what do i do against normie ranged gunners do i left click with staff (seems ok but not that great) or do i not worry about em

[icy harbor]

ignore the 340, go higherrrrr

[gray kelp]

run n gun why fatshark

[trail forge]

managed to get my hood finally

[gray kelp]

I have been trying to get one for over a week and 340 is the 2nd highest I've seen

highest was a melk shop with meh blessings

[trail forge]

now I see theres another hood after that that requires I "go out with a bang"

[warm frigate]

whats the best map for cliff hanger?

[trail forge]

which is ridiculous

[white badger]

Busc.. chasm logistimus

[trail forge]

to get three elites in the same place at the same time and low enough to kill

with an explosion

and to get a team that will get that to happen

[gray kelp]

havent tried doing this but you could maybe just do a high difficulty mission and spam surge staff into a group and hope for the best

[white badger]

Yeah, psykers are the only ones with feats detrimental to winning.

[trail forge]

not as bad as literally defeating a boss by myself of course that one is just bullshit

I dont get why psyker's penances literally amount to "Get your entire team to stop playing the game so you can do some really niche stupid stuff"

[gray kelp]

high difficulty as I often don't get any randoms joining my games so I typically just have bots which are completely useless

[trail forge]

"throw your team under a bus to complete this penance"

[tight saddle]

What?

[white badger]

I find it hard to believe the same devs designed the psyker powers/ feats and the veteran ones.

[tropic halo]

fatshark hates us.

[white badger]

Unless they were hurt by a birthday magician as a child

[warm frigate]

andddd its not up, pain.

[mild lotus]

Open beta was bait for psykers to buy the game and then get the most terrible gameplay possible.

[tropic halo]

david blaine probably punched one of the devs in the face and also put a card up their ass and they could never move on from that.

[magic hull]

this is crit based surge, does pretty good on crit agaisnt armoured

[trail forge]

they probably did but they came up with the ideas on paper but no one in play testing actually sat down and thought about the mechanics involved with getting the stars to align in such ways

[mild lotus]

We are, despite ourselves, part of a social experiment

[white badger]

How much thought went into "kill a boss solo?"

[mild lotus]

about 2 ogryn brain cells and a half

[trail forge]

I have a theory that psyker was a lot better on paper than what we actually got given the kill a boss solo requires you brain burst them

[gray kelp]

to be fair the bosses in this game are jobbers, the difficulty is more so randos not hitting the boss than just kiting them around a pillar for a few mins or something lol

[magic hull]

should i buy this one

[gray kelp]

^ I'd say yes that looks good

[trail forge]

I hear demon host is the easiest boss to do the solo boss thing on

[tropic halo]

psykers were better in the CBT and had much faster BBs. so they probably designed it

[mild lotus]

yes

worth the buy

the mobi isn't too low

[tight saddle]

yep decent enough, worth it

[trail forge]

so does the hood come in different colours at all?

like the other pieces

[gray kelp]

mobility is somewhat of a dump stat for fs IMO because you have unlimited dodges regardless

[mild lotus]

yes, red, red, red and also red with a bit of green

[trail forge]

why green

psyker is not christmas

[mild lotus]

to go with the vest that is also red with a bit if green

[tropic halo]

I just want the monstrioum armor that comes with wires for shoulders

where the hell is it? it's already made.

[cerulean topaz]

does purgatuas staff work with kinetic flayer

[trail forge]

https://preview.redd.it/guj3aeibccu91.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=47b258236f2a0de09ec643dface617e759fee36c this one?

[tropic halo]

yeeep

gimme gimme.

[trail forge]

https://preview.redd.it/7o1sq2uuccu91.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=ecf2af9d7f4ce6a861a0604217c54d2e5832e114

[zinc phoenix]

Chainsword feels really good on psyker ngl

[trail forge]

it is interesting as a choice yes

[zinc phoenix]

The wide wide heavy attack is very nice, it has great mobility and peril infinite block

[trail forge]

certainly breaks up the "only catachan sword or force sword"

[wooden fog]

does anyone know what the difference is between the mk 2 and mk IV dueling sword?

[zinc phoenix]

Also the brrrt special opens tin cans less well than force sword but a lot better than the alternatives

Anyway I’ve found it’s better to use the shove special and then open the cans with speed BBs from the feat

[fair kayak]

i havebt gotten a mission drop in 20 missions, am I bugged?

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ I rarely get them, I think it’s just how it works

[lethal plover]

do you guys think terrifying barrage is worth it for voidstrike or surge

[trail forge]

the emperor just hates psykers

[zinc phoenix]

Also I have savage sweep for +100% cleave which REALLY works for the chain sword

[candid temple]

yes, cc is good

[trail forge]

prefers eating us like rations

1000 a day

[tropic halo]

that he does. like a tiny rice bowl with every grain being a psyker.

[lethal plover]

is it redundant for voidstrike?

[trail forge]

what Im saying is the emperor is an ogryn

[zinc phoenix]

Yes tbh

[trail forge]

called tater

[lethal plover]

I don't understand what suppression does for horde

[trail forge]

not much...

[zinc phoenix]

Nothing, they don’t go to cover

[trail forge]

unless they're ranged

[lethal plover]

right

[zinc phoenix]

Even ranged stuff seems iffy on the cover seeking behavior when suppression inbound

A lot of the time they just stand around shooting while bullets whistle by

[trail forge]

tbh the psyker bolts are a bit bugged sometimes

I dont think they're as polished as the gun play

like sometimes I will find it impossible to hit certain things or shoot through certain objects

but then a gun can

enemy or friendly

or I cant hit a demon pod thing

[zinc phoenix]

I literally never use the staff light attacks and am in awe of anyone who can hit anything with them

[trail forge]

Im really good at head shotting with light staff attacks

but I have found the staff light attacks are bugged for certain stuff

[fluid timber]

its kind of annoying that theres like a windup time but despite that the bolt goes to the point you were looking at the moment you clicked

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah idk what’s with that but I find them unusable. I just do a low charge voidstrike anytime I want to f up something but it doesn’t merit a big boi blast

[unkempt juniper]

i have a lot of time as soldier in tf2 so im used to hitting ppl with projectile weapons

[trail forge]

https://i.redd.it/9talummbt51a1.jpg psyker's last armour looks a bit heavy for psyker

(defeating a boss by yourself)

with bb

[worn mica]

any tips on the going out with a bang penance?

[trail forge]

pray

[worn mica]

tried that

[zinc phoenix]

It’s honestly kinda BS because you basically have to have a party help you do it

[trail forge]

in the same boat

[zinc phoenix]

Aka they clear everything while you sit there slowly BBqing a plague ogryn

[trail forge]

I hear a demon host is a pretty reliably way

but you need an ogryn with a shield

to just sit there and tank

[zinc phoenix]

And two other people who promise to sit and watch

[candid temple]

psykers are not wizards who have to wear cloth robes.

[trail forge]

so basically the stars need to align because I dont have friends who play this

[shadow quail]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

Also the ogryn has to really make sure to guard his corners because daemonhost will try to slip around the shield

[candid temple]

for example:

[worn mica]

is voidstrike really as good as people say? it felt pretty meh when i used it over surge

[acoustic spade]

Tanky psyker inc

[zinc phoenix]

ERMAGERD palperteen

[acoustic spade]

bring all the toughness

[trail forge]

thats a space marine.

A super augmented human.

this is us

https://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/wyrdvanepskers.png

actually its IS literally us

[zinc phoenix]

Wow they can dual wield with the staff that’s bs

I wish I could go staff + pistol

[trail forge]

same staff, cosmetics, etc

but yeah human psykers generally are naturally weaker

the warp actively wastes away the body

but what they lack in physical ability they usually make up for mentally

[zinc phoenix]

My psyker eats Flaming hot Cheetos to compensate for the wasting, thereby remaining vigorous

[worn mica]

is voidstrike really as good as people say? it felt pretty meh when i used it over surge

[trail forge]

this is like the high point of most human psykers https://warhammerart.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/PD1264_Sanctioned_Psyker.jpg

but this isnt us

thats an alpha level primaris psyker that would put us all to shame

[tame panther]

it's better if you're focusing on single target damage, but some prefer to have the horde clear of surge

[trail forge]

aka a human that can rip a battle tank in half with their mind

we're the equivalent of a wyvadane at most in terms of ability shown

[tame panther]

but really the peril cost of surge is pretty high for the amount of clear you get vs. just going ham with melee

[bold maple]

we cant do that but we can lift a trash mob up and throw them off the cliff no?

[untold kestrel]

so that's the wrong conclusion. voidstrike is for horde clear and small cc, surge is for better cc

[bold maple]

that’s bare minimum telekinesis power

[untold kestrel]

void rips through pox walkers

and lots of them

[trail forge]

the voidstrike at full charge aimed at head level can clear an entire corridor

[warm frost]

What build would yall run for void staff?

[untold kestrel]

it stops when it hits something you don't kill

[candid temple]

well no, most reasons psykers don't get great armor is that the imperium doesn't equip random psykers with top-notch wargear.
they don't equip any randoms with top-notch wargear.

but if you're something like an inquisition acolyte your boss would probably throw some decent armor at you, since the fact they keep you around means you're at least somewhat valuable.

[untold kestrel]

damage on force weapons at higher peril, coherency stacks, and either 6 warp charges or brain pop on 10% hit

@warm frost

[snow dust]

Also easier to put them down if they go warp crazed

[candid temple]

Yes.

[tepid pike]

aww cmon i just wanna play as a daemonhost

[candid temple]

also at a certain point it's a prestige thing, where you got lostech or alien artifacts that give you a 3+ ward save or something

instead of something as mundane as thicc armor.

[karmic ivy]

whats good purgatus staff stats for 4+

[trail forge]

its also because most psykers actively are being ravaged by the warp, most cant handle it and it wastes away the body

you either have to be incredible in terms of mental endurance (aka an alpha psyker) or go through several augmentation processes or be soulbound to the Emperor (become an astropath) etc to combat it

which is essentially all the things we're not

we're a convict witch with special privileges but still highly expendable

[candid temple]

Eh, it depends on your backstory.

[wide quest]

Emperah just gave me this baby

[trail forge]

...

despite having a confirmed kill count rivalling entire imperial guard regiments.

TRUST LEVEL ACHIEVED

"You're doing better but you're still shit and we hate you and you will probably die, do better"

[teal cargo]

yea arent we doing things that Space MArines would do 😆

like taking out Daemonhosts and such

[tall jay]

how do i get the god damn guns to stop showing up ... nothing but guns for 8 hours straight including the special store

[burnt steppe]

litterally every cutscene is "Your dogwater, but your working your way up. Do better, dogwater"

[trail forge]

We are doing things an incredibly talented and preselected team of specialists of an inquisition retinue would do...

but we are actually glorified Penal legion troopers, really they would drop 50 of us onto a point and 3 or 4 would come back out of that mess in a single mission...

[snow dust]

Also who the heck was that other person that got shot?

[humble crater]

Pretty much the missions I've been running then :p

[snow dust]

Like the only people I know is the pilot, that tech priest and....whats her face that we saved in the beginning. that's about it

[iron sundial]

Zola

[ruby merlin]

Plot is probably going to be seasonal eventually

[trail forge]

From what I remember you have the Inquisitor who you see once at the beginning. Then zola the character you help in the prologue. Then the old Sargent guy that thinks you're shit. Then the pilot and the tech priest. Also the guy that does you weekly missions. Then you have the interrogator

Supposedly there's a rogue trader as well that you see in the prologue and they never come back as well but I don't remember them

Oh technically the psyker who does the training simulation stuff is technically a character as well

[delicate shell]

The stress of finding a team that will let you kill the damn monster with your brain burst

[midnight knoll]

Does a demonhost count as monstrosity for the psycher penence?

[trail forge]

Yes

[delicate shell]

Ye i think so

[midnight knoll]

nice, i'll have to force a few friends to play shield ogryn then

[delicate shell]

Like i said jus gotta find a team that will listen when you say "please lemme kill the monster for penance"

[trail forge]

You know its really weird that the Inquisitor whom this entire operation is possible in the first place literally doesn't even meet you face to face

Like in character we have never even met the inquisitor

[candid hawk]

I need mats and luck

[trail forge]

And by the sounds of things she's not even actually present on the ship and is elsewhere in the sector

[vivid merlin]

that's brahms

the shipmistress and rogue trader that owns the mourningstar

[trail forge]

Oh is she the rogue trader ?

Hrm in comparison grendyl looks very bland

Probably why I didn't remember him

[hazy mantle]

Who is the psykers beloved

[trail forge]

The emperor

Or possibly a demon

Or both

[vivid merlin]

it's me

I'm the beloved

[snow dust]

Ah so she'll be in a DLC.
Dx

[trail forge]

Well from all they say about grendyl he is elsewhere right now

[vivid merlin]

grendyl rotates through a few faces in that cutscene, the point is we don't know who he is

[keen pawn]

Blew him away

[hazy mantle]

Blundermire your here?

<3

[hard zinc]

question

for this penance about killing 4 elites with a single peril of the warp
what are the mobs counted for ? like who are elites and who are specials ?

[trail forge]

Anyone you can mark I think

Like if you mark them and a red outline goes around them they're technically an "elite"

[hard zinc]

yes I know but who count as elite and who as specials

[trail forge]

I'm not sure in that case. Maybe it's the ones with armour

[hard zinc]

in the heat of action i didnt really see if things were in yellow or red

[trail forge]

Which arguably if that is the case that's even more bullshit

[hard zinc]

but yea armored one would be elites and special are the ones that disable you

but would be nice to have some kind of precision for it cause already psyker bombing to kill 4 dudes is hard but to manage to pull 4 and kill them ALL

well

[valid mortar]

quick question, psyerk feels like it's falling off pretty hard on malice due to brain burst scaling, does it get better later

[trail forge]

With feats and better gear... a bit

[hard zinc]

BB feels fine in Malice but in Heresy you will need those warp charges to take down more heavy mobs like ogryns like with 4 5 BB

[trail forge]

It's pretty obvious all of our feats were built around the CBT BB scaling and not the launch scaling

[valid mortar]

yeah my husband plays psyker and he says hge feels...less useful than I (ogryn) do

[trail forge]

So they changed a fundamental mechanic for psyker but haven't updated his skill tree to work with it

So psyker is incredibly awkward atm

[hard zinc]

Many things need to be scaled ... like ranged units precision , damage of Daemon host and rythm of attacks , Renegade captain Aoe Scream that tore you apart and so on

[trail forge]

And BB is pretty much useless on level 4 hazard +

[hard zinc]

spawning behind you mobs ....

[trail forge]

Spawning in wall mobs

Spawning in front of you mobs

Spawning ontop of you mobs

[valid mortar]

how was it in CBT?

[trail forge]

It's OK but don't fight ragers in CC

[wide quest]

I tried tanking daemon host with my force sword and kinetic deflection feat, barely made it alive. Probably should have used another weapon since the passive quelling is sheit on force sword.

[worn canopy]

Try cutlass or knife.

Also I can’t wait for the sienna psyker career

[vernal imp]

Nothing is better than Vet melee

[valid mortar]

hopefully they'll rework it soonish

[vernal imp]

Psyker's arent about melee, but it's fine, they're all about their staves

[long wharf]

at first I was wondering if prior BB scaling had been so bad you could only refer to it as cock and ball torture...

[worn canopy]

Except when they use guns

[trail forge]

Prior to the nerfs brain blast charged a lot faster in the closed beta test.

The whole class basically required this play style of constantly using grain blast because it was very fast and didn't generate too much warp peril and allowed to to obtain your max warp charges quickly but remained viable as a combat ability for constant damage.
But then hedge said that the BB mechanic in its current state of spamming was shit.
So they made BB charge a lot slower and made it pretty much give you full perils from two goes.

@valid mortar

Of course all the feats are setup with the CBT in mind

[onyx ravine]

Anyone know if the Psykana Meditation Helm from the premium store removes your hair when worn?

[vernal imp]

Yep, brain blast without the 30 feat Kinetic Barrage is so painful and even then its still not that worth doing

[trail forge]

That's why our feats don't really seem to make much sense or have much impact

[candid temple]

if warp charges lasted like

2 minutes

I'd be ok with current BB

it'd be trash

but at least I'd get my buffs

[teal cargo]

Yea BB sucks

[vernal imp]

if warp charges went away 1 at a time instead of all at once it'd be fine as well

[candid temple]

plus the whole weapon swap clunk

[vernal imp]

but that aint happening

[candid temple]

like let me press g with staff out

and it's faster or whatever

[teal cargo]

Does anyone else jus ignore warp charges 😆

[valid mortar]

oh dear

[candid temple]

yes

[teal cargo]

Like its cool and all

but super annoying

maintaining stacks

[candid temple]

I mean, my warp charges come from communion and flayer

[teal cargo]

Yea

[vernal imp]

just wait until level 15, get the free warp charges feat and just forget about it if you care that sweet sweet 12% more damage

[teal cargo]

and what you get is what you get

[vernal imp]

or get the aura for ult spamming

[teal cargo]

but i don purposely try and build charges or anything

[trail forge]

Basically psyker's main ability is Brain blasting but it has been nerfed but the mechanic was integral to out entire class and how it functioned and scaled and without that properly changed we are left with a class that is functionally inadequate in comparison to the other classes unless you play a very specific style at level 30 max...

Our class is in awkward limbo

[vernal imp]

only time i cared about keeping max BB charges was at like, level 9 when i did the penance for it

[candid temple]

'eh, I think void and surge are fine.

force sword is fine

[cedar grove]

Voidstrike staff feels fantastic for mowing down hordes. And force sword special for blowing up specials / elites.

Just feel a bit lost on what to do for boss DPS

I've been just force swording them.

[candid temple]

heavy special attack

it melts

[vernal imp]

the weapons are fine, its just we have a massive part of our toolkit be completely useless, even when it does good work it takes far too long to cast, whereas you could just.. use your staff

[untold kestrel]

fully charged void does almost same damage as bb, less peril, and faster peril quell

[untold kestrel]

^

[candid temple]

and with warp resist, you can get like 4-5 heavy specials off

[untold kestrel]

i forgot to reply

[trail forge]

Honestly keep BB as it is and just add more utility spells we can cycle between

Like a blink spell or a spell that allows your team mates to see through walls

[candid temple]

no, fuck that, BB as is is 🚮

[cedar grove]

If they want to keep BB as a special sniper, allow us to get charges elsewhere easier. Like the feat is a 10% chance not 4%

Or kills with force sword special give charges

[hard zinc]

feels like all the classes

Veteran must snipe but you must see shit or not get melee
Zealot must melee but the dash can get interrupted by anything
Ogryn is meant to just plant slab shield down and act as decoy
Psyker is meant to pop one by one mobs from the next planet

Really feels like the One class versus Vermintide classes was a trade off

[autumn marten]

Hey guys, I just want everyone's opinion on the weakest class right now. Bonus points for why.

[candid temple]

this would be so good.

[slate seal]

Just give charges off of any kill that generated peril easy

[candid temple]

in general, why are feats, most blessings, most perks, all so weak.

[wide quest]

I'd honestly just have that lift ability that sister of thorn's staff has

[long wharf]

Zealot, because melee doesn't feel good.

[trail forge]

Ogyrn is the weakest class in terms of weapons variety

[cedar grove]

The only time I find myself hard casting a brain blast is if it's a Crusher a mile away

and I'm burning it down before it gets stuck in

[vernal imp]

depends on the situation, most would say psyker but psyker can kill and cc reliably, whereas ogryn doesn't do damage in 4+, and zealot without bleed build is rough

[hard zinc]

cause CBT and balance was not done so they are pilling up datas from us and in next hotpatch and so they may change it

[candid temple]

or they don't have their weapon pool spammed with trash weapons most people would never use?

[hard zinc]

true

[stray cipher]

My two brain cells on the matter:

Change the warp charge generation to not be reliant on BB at all, then make BB do more damage and charge faster per stack of warp charge and clear your charges as a super nuke.

That way it's not spammy BB playstyle, you don't have to micromanage stacks if they're simple enough to gain,

[candid temple]

'eh, I doubt next hotpatch.
3-6 months maybe.

[cedar grove]

Also, the fire DoT from feats is laughably bad

[candid temple]

considering how long it took Big Balance patch for vt2 to happen

[cedar grove]

like, it barely even moves a specials hp

[trail forge]

I mean Ogyrns just really don't get much variety in playstyle is the main thing. Shield is their biggest gameplay change

[hard zinc]

I think they already know what they planned to change and the rythmn of it

[candid temple]

it's like 1 damage.

[vernal imp]

it's real bad because i remember playing the network test and psyker was so good even with basic gear

[cedar grove]

I like my Veteran more as an "all arounder", but there are some missions where Psyker feels really good. Anything where you get long sight lines on incoming hordes, and just go bowling with void

[candid temple]

Knowing Fatshark, I expect voidstaff nerf tbh.

[cedar grove]

Like the end of the Espionage mission

[trail forge]

Psyker definitely needs a rework between levels 1 and 4 because it was pretty awful

[vernal imp]

i expect them to nerf the surge staff honestly, take away the one thing it has, the stagger

i wouldn't be surprised

[trail forge]

BB and trying to be a psyker at low levels in reality is "cultist with a Las Pistol simulator"

[cedar grove]

Honestly, don't even bother with charges until you are trying to get Malice penance for uptime

[vernal imp]

it's not even 1-4, its like 1-8 because the trauma staff is.. a weapon

[cedar grove]

they really do absolutely nothing

[trail forge]

Like every other class gets to feel like you're playing as that class from level 1

Psyker doesn't start feeling like a psyker until quite late in

[meager pulsar]

At low difficulty yea warp charges are pretty pointless. Higher where they’re “harder” to get (not really with a talent that should be baseline) they’re key

[cedar grove]

Is there anywhere that shows the actual damage values for Force sword special?

[vernal imp]

we're pretty much just ranged ogryns with good melee weapons that can deal damage, all about the CC with surge, it has made runs so smooth for me and my friends

[cedar grove]

cause the inspect doesn't

[keen pawn]

Whats the best set of weapons to be usin atm

[candid temple]

trauma staff is better than BB tbh.

[meager pulsar]

I really hope they buff surge… keep the cc and damage as it is but let the damage fork to more enemies. Probably in the Biomancy subclass 🤣

[candid temple]

just left clicking kills faster.

[vernal imp]

i'd say not even worth at 4+, because its harder to kill elites / specials with it, and costs so much peril that you could be using for your staff, 12% damage is NOT worth spamming for over and over if it goes away in 25sec

it's just rough

[worthy wasp]

Ye I've been absolutely loving Antax MkV + Surge.

Antax MkV is an absolute monster in hordes and vs elites... and Surge locks down everything else

[severe dove]

Should i even bother building stacks when using a staff? Or is it just better to use all your percentage on staff

[proud hare]

how important is the finesse stat

[vernal imp]

pretty high, its attack speed & crit chance

[weary sage]

Is it really that bad that BB doesn't outright kill at high levels? I found it fine since vets can finish up whoever you're targeting way more quickly.

[worthy wasp]

Antax MkV is the combat axe

[candid temple]

warp charges are a bonus that you shouldn't even worry about it

[cedar grove]

Just kill stuff with the staff / your sword. The only reason to BB is if you see a Gunner or something to snipe with it.

[candid temple]

no kill, no charge...

[severe dove]

Got it so bb just becomes a sniper killer

[meager pulsar]

You can gain them passively through a feat, but yea I feel like brain burst was just not designed well. All they would have to do to make it viable is make it hold at max charge and do damage until the target dies and then “pop”

[vernal imp]

considering that is the intended role for us, and it is baked into our class no matter what, kinda yeah

[worthy wasp]

Yes because its youre only consistent method of keeping up Warp Charges

[severe dove]

Maybe crusher

[candid temple]

not really, I voidstaff snipers.

[weary sage]

I keep stocked up on small guys, never found it too much of an issue since peril can be quick to quell.

[meager pulsar]

I’m leveling my 3rd Psyker rn 🤣

[candid temple]

faster, + potential collateral damage if anything steps between me and sniper.

[maiden spire]

does the warp battery penance have to be in one go or is it accumulated for the run?

[vernal imp]

plus you aren't slowed to a crawl with the voidstaff

[zinc phoenix]

If you take the trait that gives you fast cheap BB you can knock a crusher on it’s booty and chain BB it for a quick and easy kill. Also nice for sniping down a herd of shotgun guys PDQ

[meager pulsar]

At once

[maiden spire]

F

[tidal elm]

its not bad with endlesshorde

[cedar grove]

A game with Lord Dark Helmet

[tidal elm]

esp with flamer staff and the chance to brain burst on dmg

[meager pulsar]

Yep endless horde or one of the strike/raid missions on manufactorum map

[weary sage]

This bug will never not be funny.

[vernal imp]

bit painful considering its a malice penance and the easiest way to do it is to wait for level 25 though

[candid temple]

https://tenor.com/view/space-balls-what-luke-gif-22291994

[meager pulsar]

The Schwartz

[vernal imp]

thank god i got it out of the way first

[worthy wasp]

The way Fatshark designs classes for careers... each career tends to have a class for each "role"

So the fact BB isnt able to perform well in Damnation is kinda brutal because it means down the line Psykinetic will straight up be outclassed by another class (from another career) and will be inferior to whatever new classes we get

[zinc phoenix]

I do voidstrike on hit + 4% change of warp charge on coherence kill and seem to always have max charges BUT I also think you have to get it done on heresy

[magic hull]

Decent i guess?

[worthy wasp]

I like it

[candid temple]

pretty good, could've rolled better perks but deflector is the main thing.

[meager pulsar]

Is there a suggestion forum that they read?

[mild lotus]

Yes, worth the keeping

[trail forge]

I sure hope when psyker gets a new career that we don't have to regrind a new class psyker

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but low key the real power of psyker is the the peril block and toughness regen from warp charges. Omnipotent melee blocker and KDer

Because block doesn’t trigger the stopping of passive peril clear out

[mild lotus]

If the system is the same as Vermintide 2, then no

but you'll have to regrind specific gear

[worthy wasp]

Right, for sure the strongest things about the class.

Which is concerning, because talents are subject to change over time.

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I think it’s a different system because our characters are specifically psyker + psykinetic, not just psyker

[worn jewel]

Given how much VT 2 inspiration they;ve taken with progression; I wouldn't be so sure

[frank chasm]

emperors gift to little old psyker me

[subtle linden]

just shopped t his

[meager pulsar]

Psyker really is a cc support class that can also chase specials through walls and do decent dps

[subtle linden]

omg im gonna cleave!

[devout axle]

Hopeful. Because most of Psykers talents are just bandaids to fundamental issues of the class.

[candid temple]

I haven't had an emperor's gift since like level 24..

[worthy wasp]

Psykinetic is the class, Psyker is the career

[frank chasm]

the lvl 30 stuff makes it fun

[meager pulsar]

Yea sorry

[frank chasm]

it rolled so good I have to ditch my FS for it

[worthy wasp]

Alls good, I do the same shit lol

[candid temple]

'eh, voidstaff can do big damage.

[meager pulsar]

Rn with only one class It’s easy to mistake 🤣

[mild lotus]

It's actually the opposite

[candid temple]

but no scoreboards so no way to tell

[zinc phoenix]

Voidstrike is a horde nuke staff that also KDs most specials

It’s bananas

[mild lotus]

classes of darktide are characters of vermintide

[candid temple]

going to get nerfed 🙈

[zinc phoenix]

And it can even trigger the “randomly BB an enemy” trait

[left mirage]

christ, why are the psykers in my pubs so fuckin garbage

[tender cipher]

?

[zinc phoenix]

They don’t know the power of psyker melee with peril blocking

[meager pulsar]

And yea I’m fully aware, voidstrike probably gonna get nerfed even though its really the main thing going for us rn imo on the damage front

[candid temple]

ugh, can't wait for fullcrafting.

[zinc phoenix]

Also they use lamer swords instead of glorious chainsword

[left mirage]

i just watch them both fold to a single mauler

[tender cipher]

I doubt it.

[harsh ingot]

Cos all the veterans hit 30 and needed an alt

[mild lotus]

eww

[left mirage]

how do you get to level 20 and die to shit like that

[meager pulsar]

Hey if not I’ll be so so happy

[mild lotus]

chainsword is so uncivilized

[worthy wasp]

Feel like Psyker is the hardest to play because how terribly designed it is.

The strongest way to play it is counterintuitive

[candid temple]

spam t1-t2 assassination

[left mirage]

christ

[tender cipher]

How so?

[meager pulsar]

The other staffs need to be brought up to voidstrikes level

[magic hull]

so for deflector im better off using the kinetic shield feat as well right?

[meager pulsar]

Yea 💯

[mild lotus]

yes 100%

either both or none of the two

[tender cipher]

Lightning staff is viable depending on your crew and same with flamethrower staff, the only thing that needs to be looked at is the trauma staff

[tidal elm]

the consecration staff is the only one i feel is in a really bad spot rn

[zinc phoenix]

Yep you’ll basically block everything forever with that trait picked

[cedar grove]

PSA: Don't queue into Heresy if you are rank 8,9, or 10 please

[zinc phoenix]

You are now a Jedi, congrats

[cedar grove]

Just late joined into one and everyone else was still wearing their prisoner outfits

[magic hull]

time to find stamina curios

[wide quest]

But prison drip best drip

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t need stam just take “blocking costs peril”

[mild lotus]

stam won't be that useful to you if you get the two

[noble ridge]

Has BB been buffed to one shot hounds on heresy yet or no

[mild lotus]

though i still use a stam curio to have more sprint

[worthy wasp]

Terribly designed? Class is designed around warp charges and having BB as the only method of guaranteed keeping them up... yet the strongest things about the class are the awesome staffs, kinetic shield, and the awesome toughness talents

[trail forge]

Who's going to tell him

[acoustic spade]

So umm, Darktide crashes without the "Send Crash Report" window for me now, reproducibly :DD

[magic hull]

ah okay, toughness curios or health curios

[noble ridge]

……

What happened

[acoustic spade]

I wonder how I could get debug logs about the crash

[sleek crystal]

shop was nice to me for once (i think), this is worth to upgrade to master-crafted right?

[acoustic spade]

I was just trying to stream the game on discord

[tender cipher]

Fair.

[candid temple]

380 👀

[noble ridge]

Tending is bad on force sword I think

Rending*

Since special ignores armor I think

[sleek crystal]

mm yeah

[tight saddle]

it's a 380 ofc you upgrade it, even if you get bad perks/blessings you will be able to change them later

[zinc phoenix]

The damage boost from warp charges is gold

[candid temple]

yes, but keep for rebless later

[sleek crystal]

yeah that's my thought as well