psyker-class

[native thorn]

different staves all have different roles, you can get some big ol' damage staves a little later

but early on I find lightning staff + melee weapon of your choosing to be really fun

[unkempt juniper]

like voidstrike, best damage

[vagrant cedar]

purge does

[wet gust]

Lightning is for CC
Void is for Damage
Flamer is for Horde

Is this how it is?

[native thorn]

If you get caught alone you stun -> swap melee and blend -> swap and stun

[wraith ether]

anyone with error 3001 ?

[sage jolt]

but I still cant imagine how flamethrower is stronger than void in horde. ps I am just level 15 ^^

[native thorn]

yes

[wide quest]

Support your team, enable them to do their job safely and efficiently. That's the overall objective of psykers.

[unkempt juniper]

void does all three but lightning does cc better admittedly

[wet gust]

I see, thanks guys ❤️

[wide quest]

Void is probably the best for general use

And maybe quickplay

[native thorn]

void kills way better

But you charge each time to pop different groups of enemies

Flamethrower staff you can just aim at a door where the horde is coming from

[pure rapids]

purg good

[native thorn]

also you can strafe your fire

so you can hit a really wide group of enemies

with one charge

[wet gust]

worth?

[native thorn]

You kinda just ruin enemy momentum as a whole

[charred marten]

no

[wide quest]

Definitely worth it at your current lvl

[native thorn]

But don't upgrade

[wet gust]

Almost lvl 14 😄

[onyx urchin]

I mean, surge can do good dmg as well. Doesn't compete with void, sure, but holds its own.

[wet gust]

I'll save all mats for lvl 30

[native thorn]

Money comes easy, buy a better one in a few levels

[wet gust]

Staggerino Staff

[native thorn]

But yeah that's great for you rn imo

[native thorn]

What you thinking of pairing it with?

[wet gust]

Both lightning and void play with Power Sword?

[native thorn]

Power sword can kinda go with anything

Only downside is lightning and force sword makes group clearing yourself a bit slow

[sly marsh]

power sword + deflector + kinetic deflection will change your life

[wet gust]

but? There is always a but

[wide quest]

Force sword, not power sword man

Cries in warp noises

[native thorn]

My mans lvl 14

[wet gust]

I see, so Duelling for better clearing hordes

[native thorn]

Always up to you

With decent teammates I'd say power sword is better

[pure rapids]

[native thorn]

They can capitalize on stuns and you can pull out big hits for bosses and the like

[wide quest]

F o r c e s w o r d

[inland needle]

Anyone got a good suggestion on how to get the 'Kill 3 Specialists on Hard with a Perils explosion' penance?

[native thorn]

SORRY HE SAID IT NOW IT'S STUCK IN MY HEAD

[wet gust]

way better singletarget, don't need to swap to quell and looks much better

[wide quest]

Very angry space toilet noises

[native thorn]

And when you're high level it can get some wild unique blessings

[wet gust]

This makes me look like a space pirate or something like that

[onyx urchin]

get 3 friendos, and weaken ragers. Gunners works too if you can coordinate them back into a group.

[sly marsh]

the halo 3 energy sword is really good

[inland needle]

Cheers. Thought it'd end up being ragers, but gunners is a good idea too
Speaking of, how much damage does a perils bomb do? Enough to OHKO ragers or do I need to weaken them a little first?

[native thorn]

needs a commissar hat lmao

[wet gust]

I have to kill 3 ogryns for this suit?

[onyx urchin]

100% need to weaken ragers, it's a bit of a fine art. Gunners I've had hit and miss luck with, but generally 1 bomb is enough to kill.

[wet gust]

or what exactly are "elites" ?

[inland needle]

Elites spawn normally without a calling cue

[gray kelp]

terrifying barrage any good for surge staff? I have pretty bad luck getting high base rating staves considering upgrading this one

[inland needle]

i.e. gunners, ogryns, ragers

Specialists are Trappers, Dogs and the like

[native thorn]

you have to kill 3 ogryns with one suicide bomb

[bright wind]

so a rather curious when does the purge staff appear?

[summer prairie]

just use that one, no reason to upgrade it

[wide quest]

Lmao shit I forgot heimerdinger exists

[summer prairie]

the odds are you won't get a useful blessing on it anyway and surge doesn't need one

[native thorn]

My ogryn is a braum cosplay but I figure "au" is a little complicated so his name's just brom

[gray kelp]

warp flurry sounds like it could be good considering you tend to spam with surge

[wet gust]

Really? Ogryns has to be?

[native thorn]

nm im dumb

any elites lol

but yeah 3 in one suicide bomb

[wet gust]

These and those that look like berserkers with 2 axes?

[wide quest]

Hah, guess my ogryn "braum" is smarter than yours by 1 letter

[native thorn]

tbh i'm not 100% on what exactly qualifies as an elite

[wide quest]

Elites and specials are the enemies that you can ping

[summer prairie]

anything that's not a special or boss and you can tag

[pure rapids]

anything you can ping that doesn't have a specific sound cue are elites

[native thorn]

Hah, ogryn think fancy 'cuz big letters. Me smart. Save space in brain for thinkin 'ard

[wide quest]

Specials spawn in with unique sound queues

[summer prairie]

and the specials are grouped together in the training room

[wide quest]

Elites just spawn normally or already spawned in a certain area

[pure rapids]

if he's level 14 he shouldn't be able to see specials in the psykanium yet

[native thorn]

It'll get easier to do at higher difficulty levels

Low diff levels don't spawn enough elites for it to be anything but gigalucky

[pure rapids]

so bascially anything you can ping in the psykanium now is an elite @wet gust

[wet gust]

thanks

[pure rapids]

but once you reach lvl 30 the psykanium will spawn specials

and they're on the left? side of the psykanium

[wet gust]

Don't remember

But I know specials are those who make a sound

[pure rapids]

yes

[native thorn]

@wet gust also, not sure if I mentioned it earlier, but the lightning stun is lovely for just saying no to explody boys

a quick charge will never kill them so they won't explode

lets you get distance

[torpid whale]

what are the choices for the crazy psyker that talks to the voices?

[tender cipher]

@wet gust But still practice pushing pox bursters away just in case.

[native thorn]

Same goes for your squad

can you staff bonk 'em?

[wet gust]

I know to push them, the thing is that I have to time with right click to smash them when jump for the achievement

[native thorn]

Also have I just not found how to turn it on or are stat numbers still not in game pass version?

[uncut violet]

Game Pass is a patch behind, unfortunately

[native thorn]

ah kk

fair enough

[summer prairie]

it's bizarre that there are two different versions, is that common with gamepass

[native thorn]

Also means I didn't get the performance crash on release

[native thorn]

ms storefront is more strict

It's more like playstation patch certification afaik

[pure rapids]

quite common actually

[native thorn]

So they can't just finish a patch and roll it out today

[pure rapids]

but most of the time they try to sync up the patches

[native thorn]

Aye

that's probably why crossplay isn't in yet

[pure rapids]

other games get what's happening with Darktide

[summer prairie]

but it's going to eventually be a ghost town if it doesn't get crossplay

[native thorn]

We'll be getting hotfixes for a while so patch parity is a good way off

[native thorn]

you underestimate how many people have game pass

Especially us 3rd worlders

Darktide on steam price gets me a whole year

Doesn't help that fatshark absolutely murdered regional pricing compared to VT2

[pure rapids]

whelp can't be helped

unless you BB FS

[severe helm]

prefect trauma staff

[native thorn]

lmao I can't really blame 'em

When steam did their "regional pricing recommendation" update they just decided to tear us a new one lol

[tepid nest]

So how does passive quell work?

[native thorn]

it seems to be a bit of a momentum thing, if you wanna passive quell don't use warp for a while and it'll do it's thing

[pure rapids]

passive quell?

[native thorn]

I think they just mean letting peril fall off naturally

[tepid nest]

When I pull out dueling swords, it drops peril & gives me toughness

I don't think it's from killing stuff, bu tmaybe it is

It felt like it was triggering without kills 🙂

[pure rapids]

yea passive quell works and I'm pretty sure it's in corelation to the last peril generating action used

[tepid nest]

Is the speed timed to weapons?

[pure rapids]

the more recent you have used a peril generating action

the slower the peril quells

[native thorn]

no but remember that force weapon specials and pushes cost peril

so they'll stop you from passive quelling

[tepid nest]

Ty, that saves me from some testing while eating 🙂

[wide quest]

Probably is, considering how the passive quell speed on force sword feels much slower than other weapons

[native thorn]

Though force sword obvs has the advantage of active quell too

[tepid nest]

This is a large part of why I was asking the question, but I also use a lot of peril generation when using it

[gilded apex]

Anybody know how the Emperor's Gift works? Was getting them very frequently on my 30 Vet but none on my 30 Psyker

[pure rapids]

RNG

[tepid nest]

Dueling sword & trauma staff has been a joy on my scripture runs today.

[patent steeple]

btw i have a question about the brain burst thing:

What is its most important and practical use/purpose? To kill enemies to trigger the damage buff from one of the passives, or to keep one enemy locked in place when the burst is almost done charging?

[native thorn]

Pray for his holiness' gacha rolls

[pure rapids]

the CC of BB is not worth it

[native thorn]

boutta try duelling sword for the first time but with surge

[pure rapids]

and generally in diff 1-3 do you ever hard cast BB

[wide quest]

You use your brain burst to kill elites and specials, don't waste your time trying to build warp charge stacks especially if you're still lvling psyker.

[native thorn]

Good for sniping priority targets. As far as warp charges don't worry until you're higher level

[tepid nest]

Make sure you have the "quell = toughness" feat

[native thorn]

You really need the feats to maintain charges

Your peril is better spent on staff than getting charges

[coarse ether]

does anyone have weapon trait lists for psyker staffs?

[south spruce]

Everything in this game is RNG, even your error code 2001 disconnect

[tepid nest]

Carapace targets, or priority targets that aren't too close. Otherwise staff or melee

[pure rapids]

ohhhhh wait does passive quelling work with that? feat?

[patent steeple]

so it is mostly used to kill a special enemy or deal big damage to a distracted boss? good to know, since i have recently tried psyker and have been getting surrounded while tryna get warp stacks lol...

[tepid nest]

Yes 🙂

I am tank Psyker.

[pure rapids]

ohhhhh fuck meeeeeeee

[native thorn]

yoooo

that's awesome

[tepid nest]

I've been gaining peril quickly on my trauma staff, then switching to dueling swords & engaging.

[wide quest]

That's why I've been using it since the first few days in POB

[pure rapids]

I didn't even think of that

shieeeeeeeet

[tepid nest]

No one explained that to me when I was constantly asking about dueling swords. Once I noticed that it made a lot more sense on why people love it.

Definitely a very very good weapon.

[pure rapids]

I just never realized it

[tepid nest]

Yeah

I'm happy I brought it up :). Give it a go Mazta!

[wide quest]

I think I was watching some random video and the guy just said that the feat works with any quelling method, that's how I found out.

[tepid nest]

I think Trauma is very quick at peril generation compared to the other staves, right?

I think this is a good use for Trauma if I'm not mistaken on that.

[native thorn]

I do also like toughness on warp kills since it lets me stand pretty far back from my teammates and just never take health damage

[pure rapids]

yea you generally don't BB unless the heat is off of you

[wide quest]

Surge is also very quick

[opal badger]

Question. Should i even try to go for pick and mix? or should I just not worry about it and let it happen naturally

which is easier

[native thorn]

especially if you spam aoe stunning

[wide quest]

5 uncharged secondaries on the surge will get you to around 96% peril

[native thorn]

Mmmm

does the feat work with our ult too?

[tepid nest]

I'll meat grinder this once I'm done eating.

[wide quest]

Focus on it if you manage to get a team, otherwise just let it happen naturally.

[silver root]

so for the force sword melee combo light-heavy-block are u doing the block+attack or block+hold attack?

[tepid nest]

I don't think so. But I might be wrong

[native thorn]

so when I hit F It'll also give me an instant 25% toughness?

[wide quest]

It sure does

[tepid nest]

I trust Mr Clean more than my memory on that one

[native thorn]

the build grows in power by the minute

[sonic root]

It does

[tepid nest]

mmmhm

[teal cargo]

as lpng as you got peril ofc

[astral sable]

purgatus staff... like it?

[native thorn]

We're fighting plague rot, I trust Mr Clean in most things against nurgle

[icy harbor]

in my shop, the blessing sucks, but 366 seems nice

[tepid nest]

I don't. I finally got a chance at it, and it doesn't fit my playstyle. I think it has a use though.

[native thorn]

nice mix of horde kill and control

[pure rapids]

I've just been using the toughness on warp charge since purg staff gives me so much warp charges

never thought of that shieeeeet

[wide quest]

Buy it just in case you can't find anything better

[native thorn]

ye, money flows

[wide quest]

Save it up until the whole crafting system comes out sometime this month

[sonic root]

Purgatus is the only thing I've found I enjoy the synergy of so far, but surge with the right team is probably better

[tepid nest]

What melee do you run with it?

[pure rapids]

I found it the other way around

[teal cargo]

Surge is good

[pure rapids]

purg is better on a good team

[teal cargo]

zap things

[icy harbor]

I currently have this one where the blessing also sucks

[south spruce]

It's not going to happen naturally. If you spam BB on heresy+ you are not playing psyker properly.

[pure rapids]

surge is for if your PUBs have no situational awareness

[sonic root]

Force sword currently but the staff does most the work anyway

[wide quest]

Staves' performance depends a lot on the team you're running with

[native thorn]

^

[static epoch]

run and gun is not that bad it can save you from that one dude left over to shoot you and kill your toughness, sometimes. 😄

[tepid nest]

How often do you primary fire vs secondary?

[native thorn]

Compared to the other ranged weapons in the game staves have very different "should I use this" metrics

[sonic root]

Purgatus just does what a flamethrower does and theoretically slightly worse, so a good team would have a zealot with a flamer

[dim pier]

Surge I feel like is better for pubs for that reason as well, Purgatus better for premades

[silver root]

the force sword melee combo light-heavy-block are u doing the block+attack or block+hold attack?

[real lance]

I've a question about staffs; Stats like Quell Speed, Warp Resistance, Charging Rate. Do they only apply when actively wielding the staff? If I tried quelling my peril while wielding my brain burst for example, will it quell slower than it would've if I'd been wielding the staff?

[dim pier]

Light heavy push

[static epoch]

yes you quell with staff always

[pure rapids]

yes

[tepid nest]

Last I tested in POB, it's just while wielding the weapon.

[silver root]

push is the block and hold?

[real lance]

Aaah, thanky.

[sonic root]

Non horde, left clicking to stun into melee, basically charge into anything that is a group

[dim pier]

Hold block and click attack, hold for the single target guaranteed stagger

[tepid nest]

Thanks for the information all.

[sonic root]

The left click on the Purge feels woefully weaker unfortunately

[silver root]

thank you!

[native thorn]

aye but it's not really for killing

[native thorn]

It's mostly a momentum killer for packs

that's why it's pretty cheap on peril

[pure rapids]

whaaaat the left click staggers just fine

[native thorn]

i assume he means damage lol

[sonic root]

Yeah. Just doesn't feel like it needs it when the charge can be used at any point. Would have preferred just the regular shot

[pure rapids]

maybe not hard cc like surge right click

[sonic root]

Yeah, damage, not stagger

[pure rapids]

but enough to get out of harm's way imo

[native thorn]

it's useful as a really cheap way to stagger a couple folks your mates are fighting

[remote rain]

Literally just bought the game anyone able to help me out with pointing me in the right direction build wise?

[native thorn]

try shit out and have fun, 40k is rule of cool.

[pure rapids]

just try shit out first

[native thorn]

That said, use staves once you can and pair it with a melee of your choice

[pure rapids]

your sticking point really depends on what you want

[native thorn]

Some people like force swords, some people love the dagger

[remote rain]

Thank you appreciate it!

[sonic root]

No real meta at this point either, and RNG on items at late game is going to determine a lot of how you build, I think

[glacial abyss]

true

[native thorn]

BUT if you're playing psyker and want to feel more like a psyker grab a force sword once you can

Just because it cool

[glacial abyss]

surge staff

[teal cargo]

Surfe is fun

Unlimited Powa!

[dim pier]

Yeah like the others said, just try stuff out. Actual building will not matter until you hit difficulty 4/5, and have a buncha levels in. Weapon choice is often preference, like some people hate the Psyker unique sword, most people I've seen really like it.

[sonic root]

Surge staff is the "I have no other build" option, IMO, not optimal

[native thorn]

surge is likely optimal for difficulty 5 with a premade

[glacial abyss]

gotta be trolling ignoring u from now on

[native thorn]

stun op

[surreal egret]

How would you guys rate this staff? Since were talking about flame vs surge

[teal cargo]

Really? Surge is real strong

Nothing else ccs as good as it do

[sonic root]

Stun is definitely OP, but some of the perks I've seen floating around change builds

[surreal egret]

Run n gun on flame is actually quite nice

[pure rapids]

only downside is that Run n Gun

[night marten]

drip achieved

[remote rain]

Does home world mean anything?

[warm meteor]

all staffs have a place

[wet gust]

Outfit fixed

[native thorn]

To be fair you were just underrating the left click stun on purge so not surprising you underrate surge

[teal cargo]

cept Trauma

[native thorn]

cadians can do purple eyes

[teal cargo]

Traumas pretty bad

[wide quest]

Idk man someone saw his chance and took it, he actually got the penance as he was just playing the game. I would count that as natural.

[sonic root]

I underrate the damage compared to other staff options and the lack of flexibility, yeah.

[warm meteor]

it can change some minor things in voice lines and other stuff but its not very noticeable

[sonic root]

I think that's a totally fair assessment of the staff when you already can do a charge release extremely quickly

[native thorn]

aoe stun staff gives your whole team a shitton of flexibility though

It's a team game

[warm meteor]

i think the biggest diff is cadian vets have unique lines

[teal cargo]

Stun those elites

[glacial abyss]

ignore him weazel hes literally suffering from brain rot

[teal cargo]

and guns

[glacial abyss]

not a real psyker

[native thorn]

the fact you can stun a clump of enemies on your homie for near zero peril then get back to roasting another group

is good

especially if there's distance between them

[hidden coral]

You guys arguing about staffs when las pistol is right there, smh

[sonic root]

You're basically ignoring the other half of my statement lol

[native thorn]

how much peril does a quick charge release build

[sonic root]

The speed of which you can whip out the uncharged purg and still push is near the same as the left click

[warm meteor]

and yet we still have a minor number who like it and use it effectively in higher levels so idk. maybe you gotta be a little crazy for it to work for you

[sonic root]

Not enough to be concerned about it

[native thorn]

glad you never hit 100 peril comrade

I only wish I had your management skills

[dim pier]

Completely depends on peril resist

[pure rapids]

comrade? nah we siblings

[native thorn]

I meant as opposed to a simple left click

[sonic root]

Of course I have, but it's quite a low number on an uncharged. Jesus. Ya'll have some elitist attitudes lol

[native thorn]

nah, fire and forget stagger while running somewhere else is just really nice to have on a team

[warm meteor]

the surges ability to troll certian enemies is nice

[native thorn]

strong points made

[sonic root]

If you're just forgetting, you slightly knocked an enemy for them to still just hit your team mate so I am not sure what that accomplished regardless

[native thorn]

you don't melee enough if you don't think a ministun helps a ton

[pure rapids]

shieeeet we have a rhyme here

a mini stun helps a ton

[sonic root]

In this theoretical scenario, I'd probably just switch to melee push, to be honest lol

[wide quest]

Now now, are we talking about surge staff or purgatus staff left click?

[native thorn]

purgatus left click

[sonic root]

Purgatus left click

[native thorn]

and push doesn't pierce enemies

[wide quest]

ALright, just making sure

[native thorn]

not to nearly the same range

[pure rapids]

it's situational tbh

[native thorn]

and it's hard to use from behind a homie

I can stand behind someone and just throw fire

[sonic root]

Definitely a range reduction, but I agree with Mazta, it's situational

[wide quest]

I don't want people arguing about different topics thinking they're on the same like that one time I saw

[native thorn]

everything they fight gets staggered

[warm meteor]

purge can stun lock dogs tbf

[pure rapids]

you wanna push but if you're out of stamina you can't push

[glacial abyss]

this argument gonna kill me.... read this exact same shit like 1000000 times

[native thorn]

I argue for sport, not to win

[velvet trail]

purg s1 is ~15 meters of range

[sonic root]

The stunlock left click on dogs I do agree is pretty handy

[native thorn]

clearly equivalent to a push 🙃

not to mention it hits enemies behind other enemies

[pure rapids]

yes

aoe stagger with little peril generation is very nice

[native thorn]

Like I know I keep saying the same thing over and over but between purg m1 and your thoughts on surge I just really think you undervalue cc access

[candid temple]

Since when?

[pure rapids]

since the inception of the tide games?

[wide quest]

I'd say that the left click has an the advantage where your movement is better overall since you don't aren't slowed down compared to charging and firing the secondary

[sonic root]

And as I said, it ain't like I argued it was totally useless, but I find it's lack of flexibility cumbersome, and you become basically a backline bodyguard, which is fine. But on random match ups, I find it's a struggle

[warm meteor]

the purge is essentially an identical but lower DPS version of the zealot flamer. its bonus is it requires no ammo, which the flamer guzzles. and it allows you to get Warp charges faster then any other weapon with the right build, which is good or bad depending on how much you like warp charges

[candid temple]

Well, with force sword I spam push all the time at 0 stam

[native thorn]

which is why you pair it with a decent horde fighting melee wep.

[native thorn]

i think force sword push uses peril

[pure rapids]

then that may be a bug

[native thorn]

or does it use stam too

[pure rapids]

since it used to cost peril instead

[sonic root]

Why would you need the horde fighting melee weapon with the horde roasting staff?

[wide quest]

That's a thing for every weapon in darktide

[warm spindle]

Only the follow-up does

[pure rapids]

not suprising

[sonic root]

It isn't the hordes that become the problem. It's the gunners

[naive dawn]

the push no longer costs peril but if you hold left mouse after push it does consume small peril to do a follow up

[timber shale]

just realized Wrack and Ruin can activate on BBs from kinetic flayer

kinda neat

still useless though

[native thorn]

I was referring to the surge tbh

[polar fractal]

so which dueling sword should i go for to try it out siblings? there are grey IV and V ones that i can buy and upgrade to see what's the deal

[velvet trail]

I prefer IV by a lot

[wide quest]

Might be intentional tbh, and I would prefer it to be

[native thorn]

I'd probably pair horde roasting staff with a nice force sword

[wide quest]

V so I can bonk people, sort of

[sonic root]

That's basically just switching discussions lol. To which I would agree surge becomes the better option, because you actually become a better assistance to the team against gun bois

[native thorn]

But on purg, yeah, it's just a nice cheap peril stun

nice to have

[warm meteor]

we also have video evidence that soul blaze doesnt have to get the kill for the warp charge passive to proc if anyone cares

[polar fractal]

eh i will just buy both grey ones and check it out in the training area

[wide quest]

6 more minutes until shop reset, please oh great and mighty emperor give me my god damn mk v battle axe that's at least 340 base stats.

[young summit]

Spamstaff 😅

Transfer Peril is really nice

[pure rapids]

hmmm definitely felt like that when playing

[sonic root]

However, my opinion of, "I'm not sure it's the best," is down to I haven't seen all the perks yet, and I keep seeing perks I haven't yet that could change some impact of staffs and builds. Like my store has a kinetic that applies soulburn on crir

[pure rapids]

soulblaze generates warp charges out the ass

[warm meteor]

damn thats the exact blessing i want on my void

[wide quest]

Give me this shit right now

[frosty helm]

that actually looks amazing

[young summit]

kinda low warp resistance, but peril makes up for it

[native thorn]

and even if absolutely nothing else, the fact that there isn't the combined charge + activation cost of the right click gives you access to a safe stun at higher peril levels

[young summit]

its absurd headshotting a full row and loosing peril per shot 😅

[brisk plume]

Is there a melee wep we can use that blocks ranged attacks when blocking?

[frosty helm]

i need one of these within this instant

[charred marten]

low warp resist? low EVERY stat, a grey with that powerlevel would at best be "ok" for upgrading!

[frosty helm]

think force sword does that?

[wide quest]

Force sword with a certain blessing

[native thorn]

High level you can get a force sword that does this

Need the right blessing

[young summit]

oh if i only was level 30 😅

[sonic root]

Trying to get that damn blessing to drop has been the death of me lol

[south monolith]

Deflector on a forcesword, adds some block cost reduction as well.

[brisk plume]

Whaaa, thats awesome. With peril on block can you block ranged as effective as a shield ogrin?

[warm meteor]

yes, if i get a force sword with deflector i might become a melee psyker

[warm meteor]

yeah pretty much, its very strong

[native thorn]

I'm gonna be aiming for the double reflect at some point for a shiggles tank build and that is gonna be a nightmare lmao

[wide quest]

Shield ogryn will always be better

[velvet trail]

Blocking ranged is pretty costly in stamina/peril though, you wont be able to just sit in front eating everything

[warm meteor]

not sure we have a side by side comparison tho

[dim pier]

Tryna go for deflect/quell on weak spot hit force sword is a pain in the ass

[native thorn]

As an extra tip, if you have your melee weapon out when you res it blocks iirc

This includes the bullet blocking blessing

[dim pier]

@native thorn That's just either weapon I think

[native thorn]

Sword psyker best res in game

[brisk plume]

Wow

[warm meteor]

yes so you can save people alot

[south monolith]

Block efficiency is easy to get on Curios and deflector gives some as well. At 40% bullets are a joke.

[warm meteor]

no blocking sniper rounds tho :(

big sad

[native thorn]

Can't shoot without a head

[south monolith]

Its an acknowledged bug on the forums

[native thorn]

Oh awesome

[warm meteor]

omg its a bug? that gives me hope!

[wide quest]

I'd imagine the sniper would just shred both our stamina and peril

[dim pier]

You guys think blocking a sniper with peril block is just gonna jump peril straight from 0 to 100

[south monolith]

Well its listed as acknowledged instead of a response that states "Working as intended"

[south monolith]

Nope

[native thorn]

But yeah psyker is probs 2nd best tank in the game if you build a bit for it

[warm meteor]

peril on block cant bring you to 100 peril

[native thorn]

Psyker in general seems hyper versatile

So many viable playstyles

[warm meteor]

yes, we are missing a few niche staffs tho

[native thorn]

Need a rapid fire

[south monolith]

Forcesword gets warp resist via a bar stat and you can stack block efficiency to 51% theoretically

[warm meteor]

a machine gun, and a headshot sniper staff

[opal badger]

I did it boys. Got pick and mix and now completed all psyker challenges. Im now dripped down to my socks

[native thorn]

I feel like these would be left and right clicks on the same staff

[wide quest]

Now you just need the tier 3 helmet

[native thorn]

Wasn't that a staff in VT2?

[wide quest]

Bolt staff, yeah

[native thorn]

Sienna's pew pew pew with the arrow on right click

[frosty helm]

does flame spray staff apply normal burn or is it calculated differently? i imagine it doing Soulblaze damage would be a bit busted

[opal badger]

Which is easy mode. Just gotta play the game now. I got pick and mix literally the game after i said "should i try or wait for it"

[sonic root]

Does block efficiency impact the peril you take while blocking btw?

[native thorn]

Very satisfying and made for a solid generalist staff in pubs

[tepid nest]

I fell in love with Trauma staff over the last few hours. Is this considered heresy?

[south monolith]

Bolt staff was more like a arrow than a orb though, much better armor pen aswell

[warm meteor]

the machine gun staff in VT2 had both fire modes focussed on head shot damage tho. a true machine gun should be a suppression tool like the ogryns heavy stubber

[south monolith]

Yes

[native thorn]

Good point

Accuracy nerf in exchange for higher stagger and damage maybe?

[sonic root]

So in theory getting the block reductions in all your trinkets and the force sword deflection can bring you to near ogryn shield levels?

[native thorn]

In the same line as the brrrrrrr lasgun

[warm meteor]

yeah thats what i would want to see for a machine gun staff

[south monolith]

40% block eff makes it dummy easy to tank T4 daemonhosts if you keep dodging and use you special if your happen to reach 80% peril.

[warm meteor]

gunners are easier to deal with too when they arent shooting at you and instead running for cover

[wide quest]

I'm so desperate for an mk v battle axe and this is the highest I've found so far

[south monolith]

Extra Stam and stam regen lets you manage T5 daemonhost tanking

[native thorn]

I hate missing my first head shot on random gunners

[sonic root]

I'm depressed the 2 handed force sword didn't make it in lol

[tepid nest]

Speed run level 1 assassinations for weapons drops

[native thorn]

Landing psybolts on moving targets at range is truly sorcery

[wide quest]

:O

[tepid nest]

Might not get you an axe, but you might get one 🙂

[wide quest]

Yes sah, right away sah

[south monolith]

I never get shot enough to come close to Daemonhost damage.

[barren atlas]

why does mk V duelling sword heavy deals so much damage compared to other mks?
like it's not even close

[warm meteor]

our current staffs actually do have really good supression. try shooting at an enemy, even a clear miss will cause a gunner to run for cover. with the voidstrikes secondary fire this is also true. but it shoots too slowly to suppress larger groups of gunners i fund

[south monolith]

You can get the block penances easily from daemonhost lol

[shadow quail]

Do you need the ranged perk on sword to tank them?

[native thorn]

Btw, what melees can actually outdps force sword special spam on single targets? From other classes I mean. Just curious. I'd assume thunder hammer and maybe evis/chain axe?

[nocturne stream]

Power sword?

[native thorn]

for ST?

[tepid nest]

Thunder hammer will out dps it by a lot if done right.

[native thorn]

Is it's ST that good with how batshit it's cleave is?

[tepid nest]

I've seen the hammer chunk quarter health off of monstrosities.

[sonic root]

Power sword is pretty busted but I am not sure it's highest single target dps

[native thorn]

Every time I'm impressed by a power sword it's someone just parting hordes like the red sea

[nocturne stream]

Probably not but it's not bad while also having busted cleave

[sonic root]

But yeah, Zealot melee combos have some stuff going on that I am not sure that definitely chunk bosses

[native thorn]

Aye fair enough, the weapon does seem awesome

[sonic root]

Someone earlier was saying Evis with special and charge could half health a 3+ monster

[hardy fog]

Could anyone link me the website for the Items where you can see which blessings you can drop on the weapon?

[tepid nest]

For Ogryn bleed builds can currently out dps it too with the haymaker

[nocturne stream]

What are the chances they will rework brain burst to not be one of the shittiest gameplay exeperiences ever though?

[tepid nest]

But I think it's bugged

[warm meteor]

itll be nerfed next patch prolly XD

[sonic root]

BB just needs scaling and I'd be fine with it

[native thorn]

howcome, it's garbo at high diff

[nocturne stream]

Once i got a staff i haven't used it once

Its so shitty to use

[wide quest]

Nerf

[nocturne stream]

rather rely on RNG to get stacks

[warm meteor]

because fatshark hates the ability obviously\

[tepid nest]

I think it's in a better place than I thought it was. BB I see as a situational piece of the kit currently.

[sonic root]

I almost exclusively use it on snipers if no one gets them or shield ogryns while using purg to knock them into a stun state. I agree it's.not feel good lol

[native thorn]

oh they said it'd get nerfed, I was asking why it would get nerfed given it's current state

[wide quest]

Because more nerf

[tepid nest]

Peril is really the main system to focus on.

[wide quest]

[south monolith]

No but deflector adds more block efficiency

[native thorn]

Man tackled by mutie wants to know your location

[warm meteor]

yeah it has uses vs snipers but it feels lame when our feats clearly are trying to support a BB heavy build

[native thorn]

It'd be cool to see some other changes to bb too tbh

[nocturne stream]

np ranger vet clicked F and one shot it

[native thorn]

Lower charge time into trash mobs would be a nice way to make warp charge feats non-mandatory

[sonic root]

I am upset because this damn yellow force sword in my shop has 15% block efficiency but not the deflector perk

[shadow quail]

get it might be able to use crafting later

[native thorn]

It even makes sense, my psyker complains about what he feels from the brains of elites

[tepid nest]

Sure, I need to spend more time on the BB builds I guess. Maybe that build just needs better feats, but on other builds it seems fine.

[sonic root]

I would but the damage is also sub 60%

[wide quest]

I'd rather they just make us into a support class instead of focusing on bb tbh

[shadow quail]

ah

might be able to take the block resistanc e from it and put on another? not sure how it'll work tbh

[silver root]

what does it mean when i see a teammates heart/skeleton? just to help me find them?

[sonic root]

Yeah, I almost wish BB was a quicker single target stun than a big damage burst

[native thorn]

fair, some kinda slow-zone warp ability with a really high peril cost could be awesome

[warm meteor]

yeah BB could have been a different telekinesis power.

[sonic root]

Shit, BB could have been surge staff

[native thorn]

charge time determines how big slow zone is

[wide quest]

I actually like bb, only problem is that it's a bit weak

[native thorn]

I think it's kinda necessary

[wide quest]

Since pysker has the tool for every job, but never better than the other classes at that certain job

[native thorn]

as without bb purg staff users are just helpless to anything far away

[silver root]

I like the idea of BB and its good vs snipers but i dont even take out my hands cause someone else will do it quicker

[warm meteor]

so far the powers are supposed to be crush (BB) and i think assail (our blitz)

[shadow quail]

lol yeah every time vet just ends what im targeting in a second

[native thorn]

BB is great for shield ogryn too

[gray kelp]

anyone know how sustained fire works for voidstrike? would a "salvo" include spamming the alt fire?

[nocturne stream]

think they have it on a cooldown or be charged by getting/quelling peril, always gives a charge. Then it's a fast burst attack when clicking G and you can't spam it infinitely. Allows it also to deal decent damage since its a CD

[warm meteor]

not without breaking the theme of the psyker being a psykinetic

[gentle cliff]

is this a good negative or bad negative?

[native thorn]

Means your team doesn't have to play footsy with him

[native thorn]

Lower charge time as you burn off peril doing other things, up to a cap?

could be really fun

resets after pop

[sonic root]

That's fair. I'm fairly unaware of the human psychic disciplines because I'm a dirty elf player.

[gilded apex]

good

[native thorn]

you could still chain it for long range nuke dps but it'd let you pull one out and pop a fool quick every now and then otherwise

[nocturne stream]

Use it. Say cd is 10 or 15 sec. Earning and removing peril removes some CD off the charge. Press G for a quick burst. balance cd and dmg and it's much better. Always grant a charge and it's 100% better spell

[sonic root]

This one staff is ridiculous in my shop and if it was any other staff I'd insta buy it

[native thorn]

Kinda like this, could also add a reset to F if necessary.

[native thorn]

ah wait

[native thorn]

Main issue is it wouldn't work too well for heathen sword and gun psykers

or at all

[warm meteor]

essentially our boy is using telekinesis powers from 5th edition warhammer 40k. the deflector perk is also showing off a telekinesis power (force shield). the psychic disciplines are also in current necromunda. in current 40k most armies just have unique powers rather then using one of the generic disciplines from older editions

[native thorn]

I know they hardly exist but it'd be a reason for them to not implement it

[native thorn]

my brother take a screenshot

[wide quest]

I'd love it if they at least just reduce the charge time for bb

[warm meteor]

imagine if we had levitate as a power lol

[native thorn]

It'd be a bit much against some enemies so I could see it being conditional

[sonic root]

Huh. Interesting. Eldar are still basically using the same disciplines they always have so that's nice to know

It was just easier since I'm typing from my phone lol

[nocturne stream]

personally don't see the issue with it as gun psykers. You already have to choose if you want to bb or use gun

[gentle cliff]

Psy might be my new favorite class. It requires constant engagement

[sonic root]

If they just went to closed beta BB I'd be happy

[native thorn]

yeah but they don't generate or burn off peril nearly as much so bb would be garbo

[drowsy scaffold]

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[nocturne stream]

either dont scale it with peril or make it a feat

[native thorn]

Ogryn shotgun tickles my brain, simple as

[nocturne stream]

i just want a bb rework tbh

[drowsy scaffold]

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[native thorn]

Was it that much stronger? I didn't play too much first beta so I didn't get up there in difficulty levels

and at diff 1 it still just explodes shit

[onyx drift]

brain burst

[drowsy scaffold]

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[native thorn]

it's a tad underwhelming

A feat tier dedicated to specializing it could be fucking awesome actually

[sonic root]

It was 10% less in cost than it is now, so that definitely helped

[native thorn]

"pick your bb"

same for grenades on other classes tbh

Would add a lot to diversity

[nocturne stream]

Yeah i'd take a nade over bb any day lul

[sonic root]

Couldn't speak for the damage though. Didn't make it to T4

[warm meteor]

yes, chaos also has their old discipline. but it used to be a generic one any person could take called malefic daemonology, but chaos used it the most since they didnt get screwed by daemons for using it like other factions if i remember correctly. 5th edition was a weird time. the sanctic daemonology powers from that era are now just grey knight exclusives

[proud hare]

Thoughts on my new stick

[native thorn]

The only reason I don't want nades is because I have rpg hoarder brain and never use enough

[nocturne stream]

nice stats, too bad it's trauma force lul

[peak quartz]

hey so i notice that when playing a psyker the purple bar increases even when not taking damage? i'm confused?

[sonic root]

What T5 trait are you all running?

[final breach]

Grimoire got picked up prob

[peak quartz]

ohhhh that's it

[sonic root]

I am honestly not in love with any of them

[serene stone]

Finally got Pick n' Mix done and now my outfit is complete.

[night marten]

I like ascendant blaze with a purge staff build, but the bottom one is good too

[static epoch]

I agree 100% gandalf, playing on heresy and above, managing stacks is just... uuugh

[bleak sonnet]

omg the goggles look horrid

lol

[night marten]

hell yea, got it done this morning too. grats

[candid temple]

ascendant is like the least terrible.

unless you're into BB or something.

[native thorn]

I think it's just the head angle and the mask making it look weird

[flint turtle]

Think I'm just going to wait and see if they change out with a bang, the rage is beginning to blind me

[serene stone]

Theyre amazing and protect my sensitive eyes.

[sonic root]

That's the T6 ones

[static epoch]

Oh

[night marten]

prefer the gray hood cosmetic

[serene stone]

Other angle

[edgy cedar]

Tried them all and not in love with any of them.
Main issue of ascendant is you really can't spam it. When you take the CD aura you also dont gain enough stacks.
Since its 10% of shit DYING from soulblaze rather than "just dies from under its effects" its really hard sometimes to get stacks back

[night marten]

idk the goggles look solid

[native thorn]

def looks better with the face mask properly visible

[static epoch]

The last one is actually 6, it says it right there 😄 VI

[orchid nest]

I also prefer this, did the same thing

[edgy cedar]

Overall psyker perks are pretty awful lol

[bleak sonnet]

yeah that angle is better

[sonic root]

Someone was saying earlier it wasn't on dying, but just having the debuff? Not sure how true it is

[static epoch]

Quicken, because anything you expend goes into toughness with Quietitude.

[night marten]

for sure, though if you start by getting everything in range on fire with a couple stacks before focusing on the real problem areas, you tend to avoid that issue

[native thorn]

my only real issue with them is that not having the warp charge feats feels shite

[night marten]

just don't focus on single areas at a time, instead making sure everything gets a good bit of burn to increase the chances you get the stacks back. also helps with keeping things staggered

[static epoch]

Just forget about BB and managing your charges and it's a lot more fun.

[native thorn]

aye but with perks and free charges it's pretty chill

[static epoch]

But then you'd have to use a purgatus staff.

[native thorn]

nah I mean psychic communion

[random brook]

if you go 3/2/1/1/3/3 they do not feel awful whatsoever

[native thorn]

• flayer if you want

[random brook]

but other than that, it feels brutal if you choose other things

[wide quest]

Lmao I sure got an axe, but not the battle axe

[edgy cedar]

There being some decent ones doesnt stop the fact that overall they are bad lol

[static epoch]

Communion didn't really do that well for me. It helps a little bit but.. staying on max, still got to BB.

[edgy cedar]

trap choices out the ass

[random brook]

this isn't psyker exclusive, theres an illusion of choice for all classes unfortunately

[native thorn]

My main point is that our entire passive is basically not a thing unless you pick feats to make it not a headache

which is feelsbad

[static epoch]

There needs to be more room yeah, most agree.

[sonic root]

I agree with that

[native thorn]

I'm not 30 yet but I wanna give psychic communion kinetic flayer and quicken a go once I am

[zinc dragon]

psyker has a permanent new item notification on cosmetics, I can't get rid of it

[nocturne stream]

it's not even good that's the sad part since it's RNG but it's better than using BB

[static epoch]

we all do try and ignore it 😄

[night marten]

drives me nuts

[zinc dragon]

oof

[native thorn]

Steam issue 😎

[nocturne stream]

Kinetic deflection is also really fucking good on any weapon that isn't force sword since you quell faster passively

[native thorn]

no patches means no new bugs kek

[native thorn]

We didn't even get the full release patch so we didn't get the performance dive on release either

[edgy cedar]

I consistently get stacks more reliably from enemies dying from the blaze from the testing I have done

[gray kelp]

anyone know if terrifying barrage actually works for staves? testing it in psykanium and I can't tell the difference

[edgy cedar]

its main issue is just being damage. Even if it was "be at max stacks or this doesnt kill anything" that would still suck. Just raw +damage is boring

[night marten]

it does

[wide quest]

Because enemies don't do anything but stand still in the psykanium

[edgy cedar]

can enemies be suppressed in the psykanium? lol

[native thorn]

fair point, something peril related would actually be way more fun

And it'd be much easier to feel

Big satisfacto

[edgy cedar]

like if brain burst did an aoe on max stacks or something

[static epoch]

Damnit, Silo Cluster has re-rolled 3 times now. Twice as only Heresy 🤣

[edgy cedar]

maybe staves do more effects

who the fuck knows

[random brook]

what are you referencing right now wally?

[native thorn]

slow nearby enemies would be cool but we'd immediately be op

[edgy cedar]

passive stacks being a boring mechanic even when you focus on it

[native thorn]

pipedream bb changes

[random brook]

does bb even need to be buffed?

[native thorn]

I don't mind passive stacks, the thing is you can't really feel it

[random brook]

the only buff i want for bb is one shot dogs in damnation / heresy

[nocturne stream]

it needs an overhaul to not feel like shit to use

[native thorn]

there aren't floating damage numbers getting bigger

[edgy cedar]

Why yes...thats quite BORING

lol

[static epoch]

it needs to be changed IMO. but I can only tell how it feels with what I've tried

[native thorn]

oh yeah ik

[edgy cedar]

and even if you had floating numbers mate one stack or two you arent going to notice in combat

[native thorn]

But what if the stacks reduced charge time on staves

[random brook]

why does it feel like shit to you?

[blissful charm]

LFG to help with Cliffhanger

[native thorn]

but again ugh

they can't make it do anything staff specific

We need grenade specs for all classes

[nocturne stream]

too much peril, charge too long, entire class is centered around stacks, and dmg is middling

[edgy cedar]

Imagine any career skill in VT2 got basically exceptionally worse as you levelled rather than better lol

thats BB

[random brook]

you can brainburst safely at 97%, making it spammable

[native thorn]

damage falls of hard at higher diffs tho and you'd probs be better off staffing

[hushed elm]

😍

[night marten]

jesus

[random brook]

most of the time you're better off staffing in all difficulties, only bb when its safe or super long range. Reapers/Crushers/Bulwarks deserve to be staggered

[native thorn]

It especially feels bad because the game opens with it being the ultimate elite snipe. having that go away really sucks

[serene stone]

https://tenor.com/view/gib-gibs-milkers-apu-apustaja-hands-gif-14790740

[wooden silo]

I can hear the Marseilles playing

[native thorn]

Not that I expect it to just one shot everything on diff5

[lunar gulch]

When your max level what's the point of tier 3+ aside from money?

[wide quest]

You lucky bastard, its you who took all the blessings that I sent to the emperor for better luck

[native thorn]

emprah, simple as

[random brook]

crafting materials

[edgy cedar]

crafting materials for a crafting system that basically doesnt exist 😄

[native thorn]

stockpiling will be useful

[edgy cedar]

oh sure, but I have no pressure to rush to stockpile

[static epoch]

yeah buy all the high base stats items, all of them.

[native thorn]

you ran through crafting mats fast in VT2

[fluid timber]

when ur lvl 30 the lower diffs feel like creative mode

[static epoch]

and "collect" blessings

[native thorn]

yeah this

[edgy cedar]

If you didnt have a massive hoard of them yeah.
which was the problem lol

[native thorn]

blessing are gonna be like gemstones if i remember the release right

[edgy cedar]

system basically deisnged by the fact if you kept playing oyu had thousands of shit to convert

[static epoch]

Yeah but you can ruin your items by crafting.

[native thorn]

so if you find something with a baller blessing keep it in storage

transfer it once crafting lands

[lunar gulch]

Is there more then just the two crafting materials (plast, dems)?

[native thorn]

Also keep the weird shit because meme builds are always fun

[cobalt tartan]

bb one shots trappers, bombers, snipers, shotgunners, and both types of gunners on damnation.
because brainburst cannot 1 shot every enemy, does not make it bad

[nocturne stream]

my issue is that it feels fucking bad to use

[native thorn]

I'm aware it's not terrible

[nocturne stream]

and the class is built around it, kinda forcing you to use it if you want to get stacks outside of RNG

[edgy cedar]

im kinda confused what the poiint of force sword heavies even are.

anything I might want more pen on im going to ability >_>

[native thorn]

faster

[cobalt tartan]

i agree the stacks should be reworked completely, they are dumb to keep track of and try to stay maxed out, i mostly ignore them

[pure rapids]

killing armored enemies with ease?

[cobalt tartan]

i hate that all the feats are focused on stacks

[pure rapids]

oh wait I read that wrong

[edgy cedar]

lol

[brave vale]

how good is this?

[south monolith]

You can use a heavy special attack

Wrong reply oops

[native thorn]

yeah I just meant that in the heat of battle you can get a heavy out faster

[pure rapids]

heavy 2 has good cleave

that's all lol

[nocturne stream]

And i think for the channel time it's not that great damage. You are dropping everything to focus one unit. Again i hope they rework it into some kind of charge system or straight up give them a grenade lol

[native thorn]

also I have no idea about this, but is it worth force sword charging for non elite/special armored bois?

That might be where the normal heavy comes in

[south monolith]

It has niche uses, like normal grenades

[edgy cedar]

what non-elite would you charge for? lol

[native thorn]

That's why I'm asking

[pure rapids]

none

[native thorn]

if there are any genuinely armored non-elites

ah kk

[edgy cedar]

99% of the time if charge a mook its because I meantr to hit the elite

_>

[pure rapids]

they die just as fast to your sword swings

[pure rapids]

not 99%, 100% of the time

[native thorn]

Wait wally I figured it out

[pure rapids]

some trash mob will suddenly teleport in front of you when you wanna smash that elite

[fading jewel]

any good at all? is there certain blessing i should look out for on weapons?

[serene stone]

"meh"-quality

[native thorn]

Normal heavies are easier to footsy with if you're in danger

[static epoch]

depends on what weapon, also i dont think we have definitive answer on breakpoints yet

[south monolith]

A non heavy special is very good for pox hounds

[random brook]

okay

how come veteran grenade fucking friendly fires for like 50-80 HEALTH damage

[edgy cedar]

damage difference between heavy and non-heavy specials are not massive either way

[south monolith]

I am almost done with a breakpoint calc/tuner

[pure rapids]

??????

pretty sure grenades have no friendly fire

[static epoch]

I would love to know which of my stats don't help cause it's impossible for me to figure out while playing. 😄

[nocturne stream]

Nades have no ff

[pure rapids]

you sure that ain't a Bomber grenade?

[random brook]

i'm like 99.9% sure in heresy/damnation, they friendly fire for 50-80

[minor palm]

Levelling Psyker tonight, are there any particular weapons that unlock early ish that are worth maining until better stuff unlocks?

[native thorn]

Which class has the damage over time style nades?

[pure rapids]

might wanna check again

[static epoch]

I recommend trying the staffs as they come up, all of them. Run a force sword and get used to the mechanics.

[pure rapids]

I've waded through heresy with no FFs from grenades

[edgy cedar]

100% that was a bomber lol

[native thorn]

first staff is at 6 but is kinda meh for me. staff at 8 is really fun imo

[static epoch]

Other than that just try what you haven't tried. Experimentation while levelling is important for feel.

[random brook]

but it does no shield damage?

[nocturne stream]

tbh force sword is kinda meh due to the auto quell being so ass if you have it

[minor palm]

Fair, thanks for the suggestions

[native thorn]

But can duelist saber block bullets

[nocturne stream]

nope sadly

but you have pretty good movespeed and can just slide from spot to spot. It's not terrible

[south monolith]

Almost done

[nocturne stream]

Kinetic deflection also means you always have stamina to block

with that absurd quell regen

[edgy cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[pure rapids]

omg that font and light mode

[native thorn]

also depends on staff I guess

[edgy cedar]

not really to be honest

deflection is kinda borked either way to have

[native thorn]

I mean might be down to taste

If I have flame staff I want big charged donks

If I have stun staff I need horde clear

[nocturne stream]

Compared to the other choices at 20 it's so much better. You're impervious to melee

[static epoch]

There's an animation on the duelling swords that triggers when getting shot that is either a leftover or it implies that it will be a mechanic.

[edgy cedar]

oh I read deflection and thought oyu meant on force sword lel

[native thorn]

Yeah the feat works with passive quelling

so with a non force weapon you can just hit full peril and become ubertank while you shred

force sword you're likely to interrupt passive quell

[nocturne stream]

Doesn't block if you're above critical peril but you regen so fast anyway with non force weapons that it doesn't matter

a melee hit is 4% peril on all difficulties

you can stand in a horde and revive lol

[fluid timber]

is the force sword push stronger than other weapons?

[edgy cedar]

the push itself? no, the push attack? yes

[south monolith]

Just have the Exorcist blessing with deflector. Melee then leads to more blocking or staff use.

[native thorn]

not particularly but the follow up psi burst I believe has a bigger area than normal weapons

so it's better crowd control overall

You're generally safe to just push attack and walk away if you need to

I often take hits if I try that with other classes

[fluid timber]

what's the psi burst?

[native thorn]

the push attack

[zinc patrol]

Does switching to your melee weapon (which quickly reduces Peril) count as Quelling?

[edgy cedar]

its akin to the shield bashes in VT2

[nocturne stream]

ye

it does

[fluid timber]

oh got it

[edgy cedar]

literally anything that makes number go down is quelling

[nocturne stream]

Force weapons slow down the passive quelling which is why you kinda need to manually quell if you run force sword

[zinc patrol]

So is there really any point to using the Quell button with your staff out? :/

[south monolith]

Not dying though lol

[native thorn]

in general most of what psykers get to do is just better for utility than anyone else ^^

[native thorn]

absolutely, you don't have to get into melee range

[zinc patrol]

ah thanks

[nocturne stream]

not really a reason to quell tbh. It does go faster with a high quell stat but you can get blessing which makes peril no problem

[native thorn]

If you're running a more supportive staff like mr lightning you'll be covering your players from behind anyway

[zinc patrol]

I love using the lightning staff as crowd control.. but it's hard to find groups that take advantage of it.

[native thorn]

and remember that ranged damage doesn't chip through toughness

[edgy cedar]

it does, however, basically remove it instantly lol

[native thorn]

I try to focus on using it where people are fighting clumps or when they're getting flanked

Both options make your homies take less damage

even if they aren't fully taking advantage

and most will take advantage if they're already in the thick of whatever you stun

[wide quest]

Emprah, love me please. Give me a high base stat item.

[native thorn]

no need to block cycle

[fluid timber]

i like that psyker can look around and get info while using lighting or brainburst

[native thorn]

only blend

[native thorn]

brainburst is clutch in bad vis modifiers

Just use it as a target painter

you can lock things you can't see yet

[wide quest]

[fluid timber]

sure heres a lasgun :^)

[edgy cedar]

to much Trauma

[wide quest]

Cries in warp noises

[edgy cedar]

so normal warp noises?

[wide quest]

That one time I actually have an mk v battle axe that isn't lower than 340

[native thorn]

It's fun imagining the actual process of this shop

[wide quest]

It has a crappy ass blessing for the intended purpose

[native thorn]

"welp, those didn't sell, OUT THE WINDOW"

[wide quest]

Of the axe

[summer prairie]

if you mostly use it for push attack it's fine

[wide quest]

Oh?

[native thorn]

"here's the exact same stuff you didn't wanna buy last time mate, no need to thank me"

[wide quest]

It's fine?

Oh wait first attack lmao

[summer prairie]

I'm not sure if the cleaved targets get the penalty but pushing stops the chain

[wide quest]

Not first target, my dumbass

[edgy cedar]

blocking in general does yeah

[native thorn]

could potentially be fun for stutter walking back and forth with heavy donks

[wide quest]

I intend to spam push attack anyways

[full grotto]

finally

[wide quest]

But heavy attacks might be a bit oof

[finite vortex]

sweet !

[surreal portal]

Is the general assumption that at higher level/hazard psykers should always be using staff? Or is there a space for running with a gun instead?

[native thorn]

I guess there's space for a gun? I think the main argument is that if you're not gonna bring psyker utility then why not play vet

[tropic halo]

God I'm so tired of the rng shop.

[native thorn]

Like guns will probably do you fine

We're just not really the best at it

We are best at utility tho

[surreal portal]

Granted I've only gone up to haz 3, but using staff feels like you're mostly foregoing BB.

[edgy cedar]

its rather sad that any system makes me miss spamming for emperors chests

[surreal portal]

(I've heard BB is bad above 3, though...)

[native thorn]

that's correct, and the right way to play

[surreal portal]

That's kind of a shame, hah.

Ah well.

[native thorn]

BB is for sniping the odd long range dude atm

Without perks maintaining stacks is also near impossible

[bleak sonnet]

BB with the ult perk is pretty decent

i get situational use out of it

[edgy cedar]

its mostly for vaguely helping your vet kill that reaper or just charging against said reaper and it dies right before you pop it

[native thorn]

oh also, hidden tech

[fluid timber]

once in a while i BB just for the sound efffect

[native thorn]

you can target paint enemies in dark maps

Lock onto stuff you can't see yet so the homies can unload

It'll always have it's niche

locking a bomber before he runs around the corner is always nice

[surreal portal]

Well, I'm already 13 levels into psyker so I guess I'll keep playing around with it for now, but staves feel just a tad too awkward.

[edgy cedar]

not like my team of 3 vets needs to see elites more

hue

[native thorn]

same for peaking gunners/snipers

[shadow quail]

I really like the surge staff

[edgy cedar]

brave opinion

[fluid timber]

i think you might come around, theyre pretty satisfying to use

[native thorn]

correct opinion

[surreal portal]

I also feel kind of like playing the new 40k fatshark game and picking a magic staff is silly.

[shadow quail]

You can really spam it too with animation canceling

[edgy cedar]

[confused psyker noises]

[native thorn]

[confused 40k fan noises]

[nocturne stream]

blue sienna is fun tho

[edgy cedar]

its almost like every important 40k character is basically a psyker lol

[native thorn]

the warp provides, brother

[shadow quail]

https://tenor.com/view/god-emperor-warhammer-40k-gif-14288735

[nocturne stream]

much more satisfying staves

[native thorn]

staves also have more highs and lows

lasgun? is lasgun

chain lightning stun an exploder?

good feel, dopamine

[nocturne stream]

yeah but lasgun op 😦

[surreal portal]

I'll give it more time, sure. I just like the idea of gun + BB in back pocket.

[native thorn]

glorious flamethrower in a choke?

good feel, dopamine

[nocturne stream]

i'm a voidstrike connousieur

[patent steeple]

the only staff i have atm is the trauma staff, which from personal experience i can say is not that good at group damage. Then again the trauma staff is just darktide version of the conflagration staff from vermintide, which i also disliked...

[nocturne stream]

yeah first staff is awful

[native thorn]

yeah you'll get voidstrike later and it is the big boom boy

[surreal portal]

Only used trauma and voidstrike, and trauma no good.

[native thorn]

don't you mean surge?

[surreal portal]

Nope, haven't rolled a surge yet in the shop, hah.

[native thorn]

ah

[shadow quail]

Shop sucks

[nocturne stream]

crafting is not lore accurate my friends

LuL

[surreal portal]

For voidstrike, mentally I'm not quite patient enough to fully charge it 95% of the time.

[native thorn]

an inquisitorial ship only having 10 weapons in stock at a time? definitely lore friendly

[nocturne stream]

tbh you shouldn't charge it 100% unless it's a big horde

just holding right click and left clicking deals good dmg

[shadow quail]

It should have a set number of class specific weapons per cycle or something

[surreal portal]

Really? Huh, I was kind of disappointed at spamming with right click.

[nocturne stream]

go for headshots and its decent

not super samazing

[native thorn]

If they refuse to get rid of the rng shop I'd really appreciate the ability to request a weapon and increase it's spawn weight

[candid temple]

full charge is only for big enemies

I do 30-50% at most usually

[nocturne stream]

also you need to aim slightly above heads for headshots

[native thorn]

Like c'mon bro you know I'm a psyker why are you selling me 9 lasguns and a pistol

[ornate hamlet]

what melee weapon as a psyker?

[candid temple]

force sword

or axe if you're into that

[native thorn]

depends

[patent steeple]

wait, mentally? did you say that because psykers have mind powers?

sorry, my sense of humour is awful...

[candid temple]

or anything you prefer really.

[shadow quail]

my current store doesn't have a single psyker weapon lol

[native thorn]

What do you want your melee weapon to do?

[devout belfry]

Force sword or mk 5 axe.

[surreal portal]

If only I was so good at puns

[native thorn]

dueling sword is apparently pretty solid too

[candid temple]

at last.

[devout belfry]

I just don't see the purpose of the dueling sword.

[night marten]

not bad

[devout belfry]

At least on difficulty 4/5. It just doesn't get the job done.

[native thorn]

I haven't axed much but doesn't it perform poorly in horde situations?

[devout belfry]

Yeah, but the horde isn't really threatening.

[night marten]

I'm guessing it would be ok paired with surge

[native thorn]

^

what I was about to say

[night marten]

gives you horde control, while surge manages specials

[native thorn]

yiss

[night marten]

vs using force sword+purge staff for specials/horde management

[native thorn]

^^^^^

facts

[night marten]

just swap weps between roles

[native thorn]

melee weapon depends on what staff you're using

because you need to fill a different deficiency

[devout belfry]

Having a non force weapon lets you get that nice passive quell.

[mild lotus]

I did it, siblings.

I acquired the drip.

With a pug group

[native thorn]

you should get gold trim if you get it in pugs imo

[night marten]

I had a few legend vets decide to let me solo the slug in a pug, felt so good

[native thorn]

yeah definitely

[mild lotus]

Had to solo a plague ogryn

[native thorn]

But yeah I generally just go "what can't my staff do" and get a weapon that does that best

[native thorn]

I expect much bb dodging was performed

[wide quest]

I

[mild lotus]

my spacebar is KIA

[wide quest]

I'd have that boss over the beast of nurgle any day ;-;

[native thorn]

lifetime reduced by half

[echo parrot]

The last annoying penance I have is the kill elites by exploding

[mild lotus]

Same

that and pick n mix

[lucid mortar]

375 base Devil's Claw Sword 😢

[devout belfry]

It's annoying that psyker has the hardest 3 challenges on one character lol

[echo parrot]

I got pick n mix entirely by accident yesterday

[half turtle]

what's meta build for damnation rn?

[echo parrot]

4 ogryn

[native thorn]

I think surge and stun but not actually sure

Just what I've seen recommended

makes you super team reliant tho

the stronger the enemies the stronger cc gets

[mild lotus]

either surge staff or void staff

[half turtle]

yeah surge damage feels kinda bad

[mild lotus]

purg staff ahs its niche too

[half turtle]

does void do enough damage

[mild lotus]

yes

on hordes

[native thorn]

Yeah surge is a support staff

[mild lotus]

• the aoe throws down most mobs

[native thorn]

not for killin

[half turtle]

is void mostly a horde control/soft target weapon

[mild lotus]

yes

[half turtle]

headpop for sniping and crushers/bulwarks?

[mild lotus]

aim for the head

[half turtle]

or is 2x headpopping e.g. a gunner not worth doing

[native thorn]

Probs best to pair with an axe or force sword so you can do good damage to elites

[mild lotus]

1 bb on bulwark should be enough for your team to finish it

[eager nexus]

Void is "arguably" best for horde situations in higher tiers

[half turtle]

nice, makes sense

[eager nexus]

and Surge is undoubtedly the strongest for CC

[half turtle]

i don't like flamer staff that much, way finickier than zealot flamer

ill try void

[mild lotus]

see void as a death ray with travel time

and again, aim for the head

[native thorn]

surge is a lot more fun with a premade than without admittedly

Void lets you do things yourself lmao

[zinc patrol]

I just attempted my first Manic mission with a solid group level 12 - 15. We steamrolled through the entire mission until we reached the boss room. So many elites spawned at the start that we were quickly overwhelmed and wiped in about 5 minutes. Has anyone experienced this? Is it a balancing issue? If a higher tier map is just as easy as a lower tier map until you reach the boss (where you get rocked) it seems kinda broken.

[half turtle]

I always miss because they move during the travel time lol

[nocturne stream]

anyone know what purpose the alt attack on duel sword has? If any? It deals no dmg

[half turtle]

I started aiming for feet instead

[mild lotus]

void is also a decent tool to support your team as you can clear packs of mobs tryingto swarm your allies + the aoe staggers almost every mob in the area

[half turtle]

So at least it still edges with the aoe if they move