psyker-class

[proud hare]

if i rerolled the blessing would it be good?

[formal osprey]

The purgatus staff is just fucking terrible. I dont mean to be a downer.

[versed spade]

They are far from me, I think the ping will not allow me to enter

[celest hedge]

I don’t think that feat is that great without communion

[wooden silo]

I have seen some people in QP just have bad games though, like fucking solid in malice two times and then suddenly making strange decisions at a later time. Which is how i am as well.

[pure rapids]

heresy

[formal osprey]

No, there is nothing you can do to make that staff good unless you work for the company.

[celest hedge]

Replace the sprint and shoot and that would be a fine purge staff

[proud hare]

alright

[wanton cove]

I’m not really like that. But I definitely have some games where it feels like barrels have something f against me

[formal osprey]

It doesnt do enough damage to matter even at full fire stacks and it doesnt clear waves as fast as the other staves.

[wanton cove]

Gravity was my deadliest enemy in vermintide and it’s way deadlier here

[clear light]

boys, how do I unlock the goggles for the psyker? I can't see the penace for it in the list

[worn jewel]

You're thinking about it from the wrong way. Your ping is preventing THEM from joining your games. You haven't seen madness until you see a vet blow himself off the map to his death 3 times on 3 separate barrels.

[celest hedge]

Just charge your flame for a second instead of all the way and the fast charge makes a difference

[pine iris]

Anyone play DT or VT with a game pad? I want to play on my couch lol

[formal osprey]

Have you taken it into the psycanium? It doesnt do damage.

[wooden silo]

I mean i have at times had to look back and be like "yeah why did i make this decision when i made a better decision in this situation before?"

[worn jewel]

It's the third hood penance, you need to finish the first two to see it

[formal osprey]

The purgatus staff is inferior in every way to the recon lasgun.

[last sleet]

Cool, another crash with no reconnect. Feels great wasting 20 minutes in heresy and then having the game just shit itself.

[versed spade]

I heard the legends about Oceania in LoL and CS, but I didn’t think that everything was so interesting there

[worn jewel]

Aka you need to finish all the penances

[maiden wolf]

After you've completed the hood, the penance for another head- cosmetic appeara

[celest hedge]

Part of flame is being able to spray it into a horde so your teammate who’re cleaving it can kill more enemies in single swings because they’re soften up

[teal cargo]

yea thats nice

[clear light]

Ohh, I see. Thank you both

[teal cargo]

I like Surge the most for zapping annoying gunners

behind cover 👀

[formal osprey]

yeah, but you could just swing at the horde too, or shoot the horde. The purgatus has no long range viability and it cant clear a wave on its own.

[worn jewel]

Stunning dogs and trappers. Left-clicking snipers that veterans cant seem to hit.

[last sleet]

Good luck with that one. For that one you need to kill 5 elites on heresy with BB in 12 seconds.

[proud hare]

this is kind of what ive been running

[teal cargo]

yea and stun ragers

[worn jewel]

Chainsword connosieur

[celest hedge]

It does a decent job for hordes I feel on its own and that’s what BB is for when it comes to range

[maiden wolf]

I was wondering how fast staffs charge with an 80 in chargespeed? I was thinking that once I start finding high level gear I shouldfocus charge speed and warp resistance.

[proud hare]

@worn jewel

[worn jewel]

Mouse over the stat under inspect, it tells you

[celest hedge]

Managing peril on a force staff is easy and I prefer it to reloading and dealing with ammo, more ammo for the team

[formal osprey]

Take it into the psycanium and do a full charge on it and shoot the whole group. They will die 5 or so seconds later after you are done shooting. Its objectively worse than every other staff.

[teal cargo]

Chain Sword good?

[proud hare]

i like it

[worn jewel]

Stop. I can only get so turned on. Stop.

[fallow meadow]

Just find my first power sword. So it is a kill everything sword but not as good at killing beef up target compare to chain/force sword.

[wooden silo]

Wait psyker gets powersword?

[jovial frigate]

think unyielding is worth it?

[teal cargo]

👀

[worn jewel]

No. Even though the trailer showed it

[formal osprey]

I wanted to like the purgator staff, its just not good.

I really wanted to

[wooden silo]

Oh fair yeah veterans

Lol yeah, robbed

[fallow meadow]

Sorry, just a compersion.

[proud hare]

if there going to be red gear like in Vermintide

[worthy wasp]

The issue I have with purg staff + a non-FS weapon... what makes it better than Zealot doing the same thing?

[worn jewel]

Ammo

[formal osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589683209747300377/1047798830776729621/image.png

Thats my baby

[worn jewel]

Zealot might not want to run flamer as well

[celest hedge]

Zealots have ammo and the reload on a flamer looks clunky

[teal cargo]

Zealots can run something else if you run Purg

[worn jewel]

does the dueling sword have a cleave attack pattern?

[worthy wasp]

Totally, what I'm saying is why not just roll a Zealot yourself

[teal cargo]

Zealots dont have as much block

[formal osprey]

Not really but you are super zippy, with proper dodging you just dont get hit.

[worthy wasp]

I use Antax MkV and I ask myself the same thing

[pine iris]

I was looking at some no-psyker malice+ streams and DAMN now I understand why elite/boss damage weapons are so valued

[versed spade]

Also, the blue flame makes you feel like a skilled firebender from the avatar lol

[lone cliff]

what does the force sword do differently when i block/shove? it has a different animation than all other weapons so i was wondering if it functioned differently.

[pine iris]

Those types are just deleted in my matches

[celest hedge]

Psykers still have a range option with BB, and psykers had more feats built around the flame staff

[worn jewel]

Hmmm then that dedicated cleave stat is weird

[fallow meadow]

And flamer reload take quite some time. You can rest a bit and flame again.

[celest hedge]

You can run any toughness feat as a psyker and still gain toughness on flame staff kills

[pure rapids]

first push staggers them, follow up push pushes all that you've staggered to the ground

[formal osprey]

Some of the slices drag through things, its an interesting weapon

[teal cargo]

Also Psykers are prob worse class so less opportunity cost for running Purg 😔

[worn jewel]

We got overnerfed from the first beta

[maiden wolf]

🧠

[lone cliff]

ah ok thank you. and does its special work kinda like chainswords? just more damage?

[pine iris]

also, veteran gameplay: shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, dodge around ogryn, shoot, shoot, get clobbered but it doesnt matter bc toughness never goes down, shoot, shoot, shoot

[pure rapids]

yes

[worn jewel]

Yeap

[pure rapids]

single target

[lone cliff]

thank you guys 🙂

[teal cargo]

Toughness never goes down?

[lone cliff]

i finished my 30 on vet and preacher and im coming to psyker now. best staff? it kinda looks like the fireball staff but.. didn't know what the psyker mains thought of it

[radiant jolt]

Anything but Trauma

[teal cargo]

I'm not 30 yet 😢

[pine iris]

never-lose-health-because-toughness-is-super-high

[fallow meadow]

Sometimes you may want to save some ammo and pick up your sword, but mostly accurate.

[teal cargo]

but I like Surge

and Void

Purgs cool too

[worn jewel]

Surge (Lightning) = Best CC and Crit
Voidstrike (Ball) = Best Generalist
Purgatus (Flame) = Best Horde killer
Trauma (AOE mine) = Best team troll

[teal cargo]

but its pretty short range

Yea Trauma kinda sucks

[dusty mirage]

since you've got experience, anything but the trauma staff is going to work to some degree

[latent ginkgo]

God I wish I could share loot across other characters. 😦

[formal osprey]

Again i disagree completely with the purg being a horde killer. Have you tried using it for that? it doesnt do damage.

[sour tiger]

What about best melee?

[latent ginkgo]

Damage could be better but those are decent passives, no?

[pure rapids]

it's still best for horde CC

[worn jewel]

It does, it's just that the fire is very very misleading

[formal osprey]

Voidstrike balls ruin shit

[pine iris]

Breaking up the momentum of a horde plays into the horde being damaged/deleted

[worn jewel]

Its cone is actually only slightly bigger than voidstrike's ball

[fallow meadow]

You got best on everything in psyker. I say that is a good deal.

[lone cliff]

best team troll is a goated description lol. thank you guys!

yall are the most helpful class so far lol. i think

[formal osprey]

Its not misleading its terrible, I took it into the psykanium. It does terrible damage.

[lone cliff]

also least played

[celest hedge]

have you actually tried it in a mission

[pure rapids]

that is not a good basis to determine if something is bad/good

[celest hedge]

it works fine out in the field

[pure rapids]

that's like looking at things on paper

[teal cargo]

idk it does pretty good roasting hordes in missions

[pine iris]

I though the purg would be awful because of the early analysis I saw. it is very extremely useful/clutch in game

[teal cargo]

cos you stun lock em and they burn down

[pure rapids]

you don't test how it actually feels in-game you're just gonna have a very biased view

especially when in the Psykanium the buggers are just standing

[celest hedge]

I feel like causing emotional pain and might try out a build just to try and make the trauma staff useful

[fallow meadow]

When you burn them, most enemy stop moving.

[teal cargo]

Trauma is like consecration staff but cost way more

and uscks

[unkempt juniper]

Voidstrike outshines purge at everything

[teal cargo]

Purg you don have to aim

[pine iris]

Void is a little slow but the most fun staff imo

[worn jewel]

I think the comparison boils down to Voidstrike vs Purg. Which I can see there are proponents to both sides.

[pine iris]

I dont have an awesome void staff though

[teal cargo]

wish there was a Corruscating Staff

feels bad

[unkempt juniper]

Voidstrike staggers everything purge does while actually doing damage

[celest hedge]

trauma has too much fall off it feels, you kill way less than you actually hit with it

[teal cargo]

Trauma like blasts enemies behind you

so they can hit you in tbe ack

[celest hedge]

what survives usually get staggered but not as well as how a flamestaff can do so while still doing respectable damage

[frail geyser]

Trauma costs too much peril

Full stopp

[pine iris]

Void is a little hungry for peril though. you can shoot the purg for like 30 seconds

all the while anything you're shooting is stopped and burning

[hoary hamlet]

Purgatus is flat out useless

[teal cargo]

Surge is nice but kinda useless for Horde dps 😢

[celest hedge]

run it with tranquality at all then?

[cyan echo]

Imo thats not a good thing

[teal cargo]

nah Purg isnt useless

[magic hull]

Purgatory actually feels really good if you are good at it

[worn jewel]

Its not bad BAD now that they fixed the dmg bug; it used to only dmg the 1 or 2 peeps in the centre and just throw the rest.

But the peril cost is just way too high

[cyan echo]

as soon as you shoot the Void you can quell or sjoot again

[magic hull]

it requires skills unlike lightning

[unkempt juniper]

A good voisdstrike staff can be fired almost indefinitely into a horde, if you have peril transfer on it

[celest hedge]

oh, so was that a bug then? I haven't used it in a while but that was always my take away

[pine iris]

purg is great in high-coherence, high-mob matches

[unkempt juniper]

I do not have a skill issue

[magic hull]

mr aimbot 😂

[worn jewel]

Yeap. Even when charged to max, it didnt damage everyone in the circle. They need to make the AOE size fixed and the charge only affect dmg.

[teal cargo]

yea Trauma costs like all your peril

so you cast like 2 times and overload

[celest hedge]

than maybe I should give trauma another try then

[hoary hamlet]

then u quell-spamm, not hard

[teal cargo]

well it doesnt even do good dmg

[fallow meadow]

Void is the least hungry on shot. It just not doing much AOE damage than it looks. So you need longer and more shot to clear a horde.

[worn jewel]

In that time, I could have deleted the horde with voidstrike or purg lol

[fallow meadow]

Most if its damage is on direct hit

[celest hedge]

yeah, the quell is fast enough that you just need to weave a second or two of quell in there, I'm used to switch to my staff to quell with BB, and tranquality makes it so you can easily get a third BB out before needing to quell

[pure rapids]

imagine quell-spamming when I can just don't

[hoary hamlet]

what time? it takes half a sec to quell down to 98%

[teal cargo]

you can spam Trauma at 98?

[unkempt juniper]

Also voidstrike costs like 6 or 7 peril per uncharged shot with high warp resistance, and is still staggers everything but ogryns and bosses

[hoary hamlet]

with purg u barely hit what's in the range of ur sword

[pure rapids]

try double the range of your sword

[celest hedge]

staff quelling is so fast that peril is basically a non issue

[teal cargo]

ya purg has way more range than your sword

[magic hull]

with purge you play like a zealot basically

[pure rapids]

you wanna shit talk a weapon at least bring some facts

[pine iris]

Void is my favorite staff to play, I just need a 450+ one with a good roll

[celest hedge]

purge has a very fair range to it

[unkempt juniper]

A worse zealot. Flamer actually does dmg

[hoary hamlet]

I see you are masters at exagerations and getting the point

[pure rapids]

not half-assed experiences you get by trying the weapon out once or twice

[carmine raptor]

Void is fantastic, so much fun when you see a horde coming through a choke point

[magic hull]

for purg i usually left click = stun, then press W switch to melee and finish the job

[hybrid thicket]

nah purg on higher levels is amazing for hordes

[weak aspen]

so what actually decides if you blow up or not upon hitting 100% peril?

it feels so random

[pure rapids]

the purg staff easily has double your sword range if you don't see that you're flat out trolling

[hoary hamlet]

with purg u waste everyone's time trying to do something that is not your job and anyone else does better than you

[teal cargo]

gotta actually cast at 100 to blow up

[magic hull]

yeah purg is really useful on heresy

[unkempt juniper]

Void still does its job well in damnation

[teal cargo]

Yeah Purg you roast down the hordes

[bronze sierra]

void can evaporate hordes tho

[teal cargo]

which is kinda Psyker job 😢

[celest hedge]

if you start charging a BB at 100% peril, than you blow up. If you were below 100% peril when you start charging a BB, and hit 100% peril once you were in the middle of charging, you don't blow up

[pine iris]

doing any other action that increases peril will pop you if you start the action when you're at 100

[bronze sierra]

no need to CC whats dead

[fallow meadow]

Void is the everything staff

[unkempt juniper]

Void>purge

By so much

[celest hedge]

that basically how it works, after doing it a few times you get a feel for what will or won't blast you

[unkempt juniper]

I don't understand why anyone would use purge over void

[weak aspen]

hm, i'll try to pay more attention to it

[bronze sierra]

TBF purge is alot of fun

[hoary hamlet]

actually not

[pine iris]

if you have F ready to go, you can fire it after you've gone over 100% if you're pretty fast

[weak aspen]

but i keep blowing myself up with surge

and i can tell you i don't start charging it while at 100%

[celest hedge]

and you can still use your ult when you're about to explode from over peril like unchained, so you can avoid it pretty well

[carmine raptor]

Purgatus can CC an entire room, not quite as well as surge but it stops almost every enemy in their tracks

[umbral field]

purge has better cc, that's one reason

[worn jewel]

Lol people don't know the purgatus bug now do they

You can use it indefinitely without blowing up

[bronze sierra]

the one that crashed people?

[unkempt juniper]

The bug where it tanks my fps?

[pure rapids]

nah don't sell a weapon on a bug

[hoary hamlet]

still bad

[celest hedge]

purge you can keep the flame going for a long time with out a little bit of charge, sure you have limited range but it's easy to always have your flame going in that range

[pine iris]

@weak aspen you need some practice time in the meat grinder. you'll get a feel for it

[fallow meadow]

surge is very hungry on peril.

[hybrid thicket]

i used to like surge for stuns, but on heresy if there is hordes you're pretty much boned. Purg gives you horde clear and horde stun on light attack, and it synergizes with the last trait that turns push into soulblaze stacks. you also get %10 chance on ANY soulblaze kill to get warp charge. I constantly stay at 4 stacks using purg staff

[worn jewel]

Just as bad as trauma lol

[celest hedge]

it requires way less aim

[unkempt juniper]

Voidstrike staff will let you clutch as a psyker

[teal cargo]

Im a fan of Purge

[worn jewel]

Thats a feature, same for flamer

[unkempt juniper]

Purge does not do enough damage for that

[celest hedge]

plus you have a 10% chance on any kill to quell 10% peril, and if you get tranquality and a bit of luck, you can lose more peril than you gain which means you can keep flaming stuff

[hybrid thicket]

i havent had any issues with damage tbh

[magic hull]

youll be suprised how much i clutched with purg in heresy

[hoary hamlet]

I don't see how a psycker focusing on hordes on higher difficulties can hope to be anything more than a hinderance, when his job is to fry high armor targets

[teal cargo]

nah thats Vets job 😢

and you still got BB for high armor stuff

[worn jewel]

Also voidstrikers dont be too happy

FatsharkQuickpaw:
If it helps, I believe the Void Strike Staff might actually be bugged and is costing too little peril! But yes, I understand your frustration, I very much suggest you open up a thread in the Gameplay Feedback section so that it gets looked at by the appropriate eyes. Our devs lurk there a lot, it’s the best way to get noticed for things like this.

[dusty mirage]

its almost like your job can change based on group composition and equipment

[celest hedge]

psyker's base kit has nothing to deal with groups. Ogryns have naturally high cleave and stagger so they can bully hordes and control space, veterans have frag grenades, and zealots have stun grenades

[hoary hamlet]

Vet's job is suppress ranged threats and kill non-armored targets

literally everyone hordeclears better than psycker

[hybrid thicket]

i mean if you wanna waste 10 seconds killing one crusher with BB i guess you can do that

[unkempt juniper]

The push is decent cc

[pine iris]

Psykers are not a "one job" class. you're supposed to be evaluating & filling in where the team needs help at all times

[teal cargo]

you still go BB for popping armor

[fallow meadow]

Purge direct damage is not prime, but it stack soulblaze fast and soulblaze kill light armor very fast.

[pine iris]

when you play like that your team rarely wipes

[frail geyser]

Force sword push stan checking in

[celest hedge]

alot of vet's CC gun options can also be decent special special killing if you mag dump, like the auto pistol or auto gun

[teal cargo]

don need a staff for that

[worthy wasp]

Dont charge it if you are over 87%

[unkempt juniper]

Litterally no. Voidstrike is the best hordeclear option in the game save maaaybe a flamer

[pine iris]

if you want to do one thing at all times, play veteran. you'll love it

[teal cargo]

and purg gives you a good way t o control hordes which typically is psyker kit weakness

but now you good at it

[weak aspen]

good tip, ty

[sonic plaza]

Does psykinetic wrath only work with the special attack of fsword?

[bronze sierra]

i mean use a cleave weapon for that arya

[hoary hamlet]

and any staff attack

[frail geyser]

I would simply leisurely control hordes with fs push while I cut them down with light>heavy chains

[worn jewel]

Don't charge it any longer than is necessary to get off the secondary. Dmg is not the point of the staff

[worthy wasp]

Antax dunks on hordes

[celest hedge]

purge is also surprisingly supportive, teammates can cleave through burning hordes easier when you have them all softened up, which means you're not stealing toughness from them by stopping them killing stuff in melee, and you can still gain toughness yourself

[fallow meadow]

I hit you with melee!

[pine iris]

if I was a no-BB psyker I think I couldnt use purg

[teal cargo]

yea softens up hordes for your friends

its pretty nice

[magic hull]

Purge left click is extremely good

[hoary hamlet]

I hope your typo was "burning" and not "purge"

[teal cargo]

yea also left click has great stagger

[celest hedge]

you don't need alot of cleave damage when you're cleaving through enemies at half health

[unkempt juniper]

Why soften up hordes when you can kill them outright?

[hybrid thicket]

i think u just had a bad run with purg thats why u upset

[hoary hamlet]

not upset in the least

[pure rapids]

cause firebender

[gray kelp]

anyone know if warp res affects peril generated with kinetic deflection? might be worth upgrading this if not

[magic hull]

People don't understand how to use purge left clift and accompanying with melee. I use Q for quick switch and it staggers extremely well.

[hoary hamlet]

it's just so obviously underpowered

[pine iris]

to stop their momentum because something else on screen and more dangerous is fucking the team right then

[celest hedge]

and holding down the fire button on a horde will rack up fair damage, especially against 50 enemies at once

[teal cargo]

then hopefully get purge buff 😎

not like id complain bout that

[pure rapids]

omg of course

[celest hedge]

I really want to get a purge staff with terrifying barrage

[pure rapids]

you give feedback that purg staff sucks

FS buffs purg staff

[worthy wasp]

Purge is like....

The midpoint between Void and Surge staff.

Void and Surge are more specialized imo. Void will give you the best overall killing power, Surge will give you the best overall CC

[pure rapids]

1000 IQ move right there

[bronze sierra]

i got one with that AND run and gun @celest hedge

[magic hull]

Also if you left click an elite 5-6 times they get burnt 40-70 HP per second stacked

might seem little but thats huge

[icy harbor]

oh look what just dropped after a mission

[unkempt juniper]

Is it genuinely nothing

[worthy wasp]

Purge deals more damage than Surge, and more CC than Void

[celest hedge]

sprint and shooting sounds fun but I don't think staves are the best weapon for it, maybe not the purge staff at lesat

[magic hull]

yeah because you got skills issue lmao

[teal cargo]

yep a good midground

[inland flume]

People are sleeping on the best part of the Purge staff; the combo with Ascending Blaze

[hoary hamlet]

and has less range than my dagger

[inland flume]

Never gotten to six Warp Charges faster than by burning a horde with that feat

[magic hull]

void is good but purge is up there as well

[pure rapids]

I think every single purg staff user uses that

[errant stream]

yup

[pure rapids]

like that's the default for purg staff

[pine iris]

@unkempt juniper I would gift you a high level purg if I could

[worthy wasp]

Kinda overrating warp charges

[unkempt juniper]

I do more dmg in melee with a dulling sword to crushers my dude

[celest hedge]

eh, I'd much rather just maintain all my charges for cheap flames, they really need to look at those level 30 feats again, quicken and blaze synergize kind of badly with hte rst of the kit

[hoary hamlet]

ANYTHING that is an actual threat in this game is outside of purg's range. If you really want a flamer on your team it's much better to let the zealot handle that.

[pure rapids]

yea sure and their long ass reload times

not to mention Zealot's kit is on their melee

[inland flume]

+18% damage and -36% warp heat generation is pretty substantial, not to mention the ability to drop six free stacks of Soulblaze instantly on everything in a huge cone in front of you by dumping them with your active

[icy harbor]

CC doesn't necessarily mean "kill all enemies around" but stunlocking all enemies around + being able to stun all the specials even during the use of their "abilitys" like the hunters is extremely strong. Thats why surge good

[pure rapids]

why delegate them to being flamers?

[hoary hamlet]

iiexaictly

[teal cargo]

And Zealot prob needs a long range option more

cos psyker has BB

[gray kelp]

from my experience purgatus is good at killing clumped elites like ragers/maulers and so forth

[worthy wasp]

Heres my thing:

Every class in the game can clear hordes.

Every class in the game can kill armored elites.

Every class in the game can kill bosses.

I use Surge staff because no other class can provide that level of CC

[magic hull]

show dueling sword and ur damage to crusher pls

[carmine raptor]

This is such a poor take. We get you done like purge staff but it's got its uses

[hoary hamlet]

I honestly don't understand how you consider hordes a threat. When they're the only thing that wont kill u

[celest hedge]

as a psyker you always have a long range option with BB, which means you can take a purge staff and not be dedicated short range, that's why I didn't run the flame staff as sienna even though I liked it alot

[magic hull]

i want video

[pure rapids]

the countless times PUGs wipe to hordes does that

[celest hedge]

hordes hit you very often

[worn jewel]

True and real. But also because its lightning. Who doesn't like lightning?

[unkempt juniper]

Not home right now, remind me to do this in a couple hours and I will

[teal cargo]

Hordes are very dangerous cos they block you off and then you get killed by specials

if you just fighting specials on their own they arent much of a trheat either

[magic hull]

dats okei i think ull rmb it

[tall meteor]

The lightning staff is wimpy. Feels terrible using it.

[unkempt juniper]

But I do about 140 per heavy headahot with the mkv dueling sword

[worn jewel]

Wimpy against hordes sure

[celest hedge]

getting swarmed and locked in place so you can't dodge to avoid attacks or stay close to your team will kill you

[hybrid thicket]

this staff slaps bro

[worn jewel]

A god against elites

[pure rapids]

lightning staff doesn't feel powerful

like Palpatine be chain lighting entire fleets

[celest hedge]

lightning is useful but doesn't feel powerful, though being able to stop a charging mutant for once makes me feel like a god

[inland flume]

My guy I have seen more PuGs die to hordes than you would believe

[worn jewel]

Deciding when something touches me or my teammates is true power

[tawny swallow]

lightning staff seems to kill in one shot whenever it wants to like it'll kill the maniac guardsmen instantly but not pox walkers

[carmine raptor]

It can stop bursters mid leap, lol

[pure rapids]

and we here stunning a few elites

[worthy wasp]

Right, and what does that +18% damage and -36% peril gen get you?

Either way, Void staff consumes less peril than Purge and more damage. The only place Purg has Void beat is CC, which some ppl like. Its a good middle ground between Void and Surge

[pine iris]

This is why it gets the most powerful/least fun reputation

[fallow meadow]

Lightning is not a killer. It give you and your team more react time,

[unkempt juniper]

It's ok, Palpatine never killed anyone with it either

[weak aspen]

that's not the issue, if i fire off a secondary while at about 85% or higher, i'll hit 100% and blow up

[teal cargo]

it deals more dmg to more armor

[weak aspen]

(unless i have F ready)

[celest hedge]

the left click of non purge staves are good in general though, sniping with the fire ball is fun

[pure rapids]

ppppfffftt tell that to those exploding ships

[magic hull]

yes

[pine iris]

skills issue. not saying it to be mean

[worn jewel]

It depends on crit. LS has a dedicated crit stat. If it crit it does good dmg. @tawny swallow

[teal cargo]

what i like bout Surge staff is you can just zap gunners behind cover

[tawny swallow]

ah fair enough

[inland flume]

It gets you effectively 25% more uptime on your flames, which combined with the 18% extra damage means you're effectively doing almost 50% more damage for the same amount of peril generated

[teal cargo]

and then you kill them

[weak aspen]

what does crit have to do with this?

[worthy wasp]

I think thats a god roll

[weak aspen]

not denying that ^^ it just feels random

[worn jewel]

Tagged wrong person soz

[unkempt juniper]

Believe it or not voidstrike can do that too

[teal cargo]

really?

[short sedge]

Anyone know if the 3rd class helmet is the last one?

[teal cargo]

🤔

[summer prairie]

anyone noticed fewer mission rewards today or just variance?

[worthy wasp]

Right, less damage than a Void Staff

[fallow meadow]

Lightning can stun even charging Hound and Mutant

[icy harbor]

na, you are missing terrifying barrage + its a pretty low damage roll

[pine iris]

It's not random, you'll build a feel for it

[teal cargo]

i felt like Void staff aoe looks bigger than it is

[summer prairie]

as in no reward in 10 matches but after the release they seemed frequent

[radiant jolt]

There aren't any other achievments for anything past the 3rd one

[worn jewel]

You shldnt be at 87% often anyways. You dont charge lightning staves beyond the basic needed to get off the secondary. Thats 13% peril on my staff

[celest hedge]

-36% peril generation means that with psyker's ability to purge peril on kill, you can lose more peril than you gain on kill, which means you can always be using your staff because you don't have to stop to quell manually

[short sedge]

Thanks buddy

[unkempt juniper]

If you aim right over the edge of cover the projectile will not break on the environment and hit something crouching behind

[inland flume]

...and?

[weak aspen]

i know it's not, but if i hit 100% from starting a secondary at 87% i'll blow up every time, while if i hit 100% literally any other way i'm usually safe

and that's weird to me

[unkempt juniper]

Dealing less damage is never a good thing.

[icy harbor]

but if you take the second level 25 skill instead of the 6 stacks, you will be giving huge soulblaze stacks to surround elites all the time

[inland flume]

I never said that Purge staff did more damage than Void, I said that having six warp charges was a significant increase in effectiveness

[worn jewel]

Also if you weapon swap, you can animation cancel the lightning (It still stuns and does dmg) while starting the quell.

[teal cargo]

that do seem trickier than zapping some people. And you can zap people that are above you too

[weak aspen]

ooh, nice

[pine iris]

It's actually 93%

[worn jewel]

Works the same for sprint btw

[fallow meadow]

If the staff's resis stat can reflect on BB, BB will be much more useful

[pure rapids]

are you holding down your secondary after firing it off?

[worthy wasp]

My point was that even with all the buffs going... its less damage than a Void Staff.

My point holds true.

Void Staff best damage by a signif margin

Surge Staff best CC by a signif margin

Purge is the middle ground

[outer smelt]

it'd be great if warp charges didn't just vanish and instead ticked down one at a time so you could maintain them easier

[weak aspen]

yeah, usually

[pure rapids]

stop that

cause after the animation plays

and you're still holding secondary

[teal cargo]

Unlimited powa!

[pure rapids]

it'll charge up

and that's where you blow up

[inland flume]

No one was disagreeing with you on that, I don't know why you keep repeating it.

Literally all I said was that having six warp charges was a significant boost

[wooden silo]

Yeah what mazta says you hardly need to charge with the surge in my experience

[worthy wasp]

Mb

[celest hedge]

i'm not taking the purge staff to be single target and nothing else, I take purge because it's easy to use and very effective in hordes, which is something I want to focus on with my weapons. If I only cared about raw damage i'd just play veteran and use a bolter

[pure rapids]

your surge loop should be hold right click, then left click, then while you're zapping enemies let go of your right click

[celest hedge]

the purge staff has a job and it's good at doing that job, it does a job that I normally have trouble filling, and it's fun

[carmine raptor]

Learning not to do that was what made the surge staff a lot more fun for me, I had a nasty habit of holding RMB and tapping to use shocks but your peril generation is really high that way

[magic hull]

its got better range and radius and extremely fast charge up speed. Mostly for stunning huge groups. Burning also takes alot longer.

[pure rapids]

you don't need to keep holding down your keys to keep zapping

[patent ledge]

Any trauma staff lovers

[pure rapids]

the animation plays itself even on a tap

[stoic mural]

for the lvl 10 feat, do ya'll prefer warp resist or the psykinetics wrath that does increased damage with force weapons based on peril?

[celest hedge]

as psyker, I choose my gun base on crowds because single target damage isn't something I need to focus on as much, if I did I'd just take a revolver or something

[opaque temple]

heretic go boom

[pine iris]

Luxus you'll get the muscle memory for it

[fallow meadow]

A little extra fire is always better

[icy harbor]

NO

[weak aspen]

👍

[pure rapids]

I'll be one when they buff it

[inland flume]

This. Horde management is my favorite thing to do in these games. I don't get the people saying "Hordes are easy" - like yeah, by themself they are, but the thing is hordes are a force multiplier.

Three specials and a horde is infinitely harder to deal with than three specials by themselves. Even if my teammates can deal with the hordes, by keeping them contained I am helping them do their own jobs with less disruption

[celest hedge]

until I finally started getting staves, I stuck with the auto pistol since that was the best I could get

[weak aspen]

gonna practice that

[worthy wasp]

One thing I will say about Purge vs Surge CC:

Surge feels like absolute ass to use vs non-elites. Its CC only really feels good vs stuff like Ogryn and Specials, imo.

Purge feels real good vs hordes

[opaque temple]

trauma staff would be 10x more fun if the peril was reduced

[pure rapids]

also take note of when the peril generates in line with the animations

once you get used to that

you'll be blowing up way less or not blowing up at all

[wooden silo]

Which also means you can look around for threats if you stun what you wanted in front of you.

[fallow meadow]

pistol is very good, stick with it. Most rifle is useless on psyker.

[icy harbor]

It feels that way but you are actually killing a lot of stuff

[pine iris]

I run like 6 wounds, I blow up here and there strategically for the damage

[icy harbor]

[worthy wasp]

When I use Surge, I'm cleaning house with my melee, sniping specials from long range with BB, and locking down Ogryn/Specials in mid-close range with Surge

[inland flume]

That is... a strategy

[formal osprey]

Feels good, but isnt good

[patent ledge]

apparently the emperor wants me to use trauma staff

[celest hedge]

i wouldn't have mind a las rifle early on but early on BB can solve with alot of the issues for raw damage, so an automatic weapon helped fill in the gaps

[pure rapids]

that'd be fine if PUGs were competent or you're playing in a premade

[boreal bramble]

Hello, does the damage of fire staff count as soulblaze?

[celest hedge]

also the las pistol is complete dogwater so anything but the default gun is an improvement

[icy harbor]

It's not even a good one, just ignore

[pure rapids]

yes

[pine iris]

I know when to do it. It gets a laugh

[finite goblet]

yes
Edit: replied to the wrong person

[icy harbor]

Only 334

[inland flume]

Purge is amazing vs. hordes, idk what you're talking about. I've used all four staves, both me and my brother agree that the hordes are much less of an issue for everyone when I run purge

[celest hedge]

i feel no reason to touch a las pistol when normal las rifles are a thing

[boreal bramble]

thank you

[pearl pasture]

Hey all, does anyone know if the premium psyker hood/helmet gets rid of hair? Cheers!

[magic hull]

Purge is godlike agaisnt horde. However it suffers range which is why people aren't used to it.

Usually i just switch to my BB, quell to 98% and Burst them when dealing with range. It just take extra steps comparing to void but once you get used to it its really good.

[formal osprey]

Those are the numbers you are wanting to be much higher. Anything under 350 for a weapon score prior to enchanting is subpar

[hybrid thicket]

warp flurry is so good. ideal staff would be warp flurry and terrifying barrage

[pure rapids]

Terrifying Barrage is so good

[celest hedge]

most staves are pretty close ranged and good for groups so that extra defense is nice

[inland flume]

Same, my guy. Once I got a Purge staff, my usage of Brain Burst increased dramatically. I use it to clear shooters out of cover or off overhead balconies all the time

[fallow meadow]

I don't think warp flurry work on purge. On void? Maybe.

[icy harbor]

But surge is better

[pure rapids]

it does work but less noticeably since purg already charges up fast

[magic hull]

surge is brainless but suffer with hordes

[celest hedge]

warp flurry does work on purge, especially good if you do really small charges

[formal osprey]

Ive had a much more positive experience with the recon lasriffle with torrent for clearing hordes.

[icy harbor]

Purge feels very fun because it synergizes so well with your level 30 perk, but surge is just better overall

[pure rapids]

well good for you

no need to shit on other weapons just cause you don't like them

[magic hull]

yeah its good but idc about ammo management sooo

[pure rapids]

imagine needing to fight with others for ammo

as A PSYKER????

[gray kelp]

I feel like theres not much point playing psyker without a staff as you're just a worse version of vet at that point lol

[icy harbor]

Especially when most teams are made up of a couple veterans who already battle each other for the ammo drops

[pure rapids]

yea

[formal osprey]

I think it needs a buff. I think it could be amazing, I dont think the fire hurts enough. It just feels weak and like more of a support weapon. you Weaken things for everyone else to kill.

[pine iris]

if I run my surge staff too often I get dumb and have to force myself to play with worse gear

[celest hedge]

purge has good width and reach, it can penetrate through everything, and you don't have to fight teammates for ammo, which means more ammo for everyone else, got to keep that ogryn fed

[fallow meadow]

Dakka is good, but go play SS if you want to be shooty. You can never out shoot SS.

[magic hull]

surge is useful agaisnt mutant for sure. Purge can only counter hound and pox bomber sadly

[worthy wasp]

The 2 most annoying specials imho

[magic hull]

left click purge to counter right click soecial wont work

some tips to know

[formal osprey]

Take the purge into the psykanium and objectively look at the numbers

[celest hedge]

take the purge staff into an actually match and look at how it works

[pine iris]

the hound moves faster post-beta IMO

[fast scarab]

god, brain burst is utter shit on heresy+

[worthy wasp]

Ye I wanted to like purge but its damage vs Carapace is absolute garbage

[carmine raptor]

It one shots snipers and bombers, so that's something.

[celest hedge]

if you're fighting carapace with a something that isn't a chain weapon or BB, why?

[fast scarab]

so does any ranged weapon

[formal osprey]

Brain burst becomes ok again if you use the 30 feet and only use it to pop ogryn and other specials.

[lucid mortar]

Use whatever works best for you 😁

[fallow meadow]

I hate that they will even hide behind the spawn door. Cant even chase it off.

[carmine raptor]

I usually get crusher kills using it, it works okay. Not the best but it's somewhat effective.

[pure rapids]

you can melee through walls btw

[pine iris]

They're so much fun to BB though. when you clutch the hound it's the best

[pure rapids]

you can melee through any solid object like in VT

[past wing]

at what level would i unlock the lightning weapon

[formal osprey]

Pretty sure 20ish

[past wing]

got it thanks

[fading jewel]

whats the keybind to quelle peril? i see people like block and there 90% goes down to 20% in like 2 seconds

[celest hedge]

no, lighting staff is around 10, you unlock the final staff at 15 with purge

[pure rapids]

your reload button

[worthy wasp]

Surge is 2nd staff you get

[gray kelp]

i hope they change how shop works it takes unreasonably long to find any staff let alone a good one

[pine iris]

the pox bomber thing is the only unfair enemy IMO. the positional audio is kind of crap and you cant really know where they are. they have just a little too much health for only 1 player to be shooting them

[fading jewel]

like hold it down?

[pure rapids]

yes

better rebind your reload button to somewhere more accessible

so you can quell and move

[fading jewel]

hmm

[celest hedge]

i would just like more evenness with the shop, I get times where I have only a single white melee weapon with all guns

[icy harbor]

I got this dropped, they really really want me to play purge

[celest hedge]

quelling with a staff is also way faster than with a force sword or with burst

[worthy wasp]

Well fuck

[pure rapids]

like quelling peril is the only reason I've rebound my reload button to one of my extra mouse buttons

[celest hedge]

goddamn, lucky bastard

[magic hull]

I kinda hope that purg could stun mutant as well.

[fallow meadow]

pox bomber sometime will spawn on high hallway that can't even tag. Hate that.

[icy harbor]

lmao but I prefer surge 😄

[pine iris]

Play malice with hordes and equip this

[mild lotus]

Emperor be praised, I finally had a decent roll in the shop for a FSword

[icy harbor]

but it is basically a perfect roll (but sadly only 345 base stat)

[radiant jolt]

Ive yet to find a single usable force sword

[worn jewel]

thats...not a decent roll

[mild lotus]

It is

[icy harbor]

are you level 30? because for a level 30 that is a bad sword

[mild lotus]

I don't care for warp resist

[celest hedge]

warp resistance is a bit low but that seems solid

[carmine raptor]

It's definitely decent, not perfect but it's a good start.

[icy harbor]

it has 327/380 base stat, that is pretty low

[celest hedge]

you have other methods of warp resistance if you care about it at all

[fallow meadow]

You don't need much resistance on FS

[mild lotus]

here's my other one

[worn jewel]

So not a deflector build got it

[gray kelp]

anyone know if warp res affects kinetic deflection on fs

[mild lotus]

yes but all the missing stats are in warp resist

[worthy wasp]

Lol, FS slaps like wet noodle w/o special warp

[icy harbor]

both not good really

[spiral shell]

Does anyone know what soulblaze is ?

[pine iris]

people swear by FS but I dont lovethem

[mild lotus]

yeah you have to know I had no other roll better than those

[celest hedge]

blessing could maybe be different I feel but not bad

[mild lotus]

so decent indeed

[icy harbor]

na, you are missing other stats too, here is a 377 example

[gray kelp]

damage over time

[worn jewel]

Its a DOT

[celest hedge]

i'd either just take a devil claw or chain weapon

[finite goblet]

warpfire/DoT

[spiral shell]

cheers lads

[mild lotus]

you have like 3% more damage

[carmine raptor]

If it's the best you've found, then congrats! Ignore the bizarre elitism here

[mild lotus]

barely any consequence

[worthy wasp]

Have you tried Antax MkV?

[pine iris]

often when I drop to melee it's because I am too busy to quell

[icy harbor]

and more mobility and not missing the warp resistance

[mild lotus]

as I said I don't care for warp resist

[fallow meadow]

Dot, you will want at least 4 stack to do something.

[mild lotus]

• mobility isn't bad at all

[celest hedge]

hate the combat axes, they're too slow, and I'd rather a chain weapon if I want big single target, even if being able to 1 shot commons with light attacks is nice

[icy harbor]

just wait for a better roll, please don't waste your precious materials

[radiant jolt]

The only number that matters is the Base ???/380 number

[magic hull]

This one 1-2 hits elites :DD

[stoic mural]

does killing a mob with the stave or charged power sword count as a "warp attack"?

[worn jewel]

yes. charged force sword you mean

[mild lotus]

yes, regular hits with the FSword however do not count

[worthy wasp]

Did you use the push attack much?

[stoic mural]

ah so the regen toughness based on warp kills is probably pretty decent

[mild lotus]

not really

[stoic mural]

no?

[mild lotus]

the toughness from quelling is better imo

[celest hedge]

not too much, but I generally haven't touched one at all since I was a level 1 zealot who was forced to use it

[fallow meadow]

And please don't hit anyone with you staff.

[carmine raptor]

It is, helps keep you from getting knocked down when surrounded especially

[celest hedge]

toughness from quell is more general, and communion can make toughness from warp charges feel nice

[stoic mural]

yes force sword

[worn jewel]

Its great but you have to kill things. I prefer quietude because ill always be quelling.

[stoic mural]

fair, I'm frequently quelling due to a garbage surge staff that has poor warp resist at the moment.

[vivid merlin]

this worth trying to invest in you think?

[icy harbor]

the Thrust roll, godly

[icy harbor]

no

[celest hedge]

ooo, that shred blessing sounds spicy

[polar fractal]

any tips on getting the "going out with a bang" penance on psyker? like can you actually kill all kinds of elites? dream scenario is 3 dregs or more, since i am pretty sure i can blow them up without them taking damage beforehand

[worthy wasp]

Ye a dude was here in chat the day after the game released talking about how amazing it was. I didnt think I'd like it, but the push attack of the Mk V is nuts. Awesome horizontal cleave that dunks on hordes. Can legit stand in the middle of a massive mob and spam it, everything will die

[icy harbor]

by the time you have gathered all the materials to upgrade it, you will stumble upon one with higher base stat. Trust me, been there

[carmine raptor]

What are you going for? It's got decent stats

[vivid merlin]

I honestly just want one with the deflection perk so I'm going to ignore it

[icy harbor]

spicy

[magic hull]

level 3 enemies

[worthy wasp]

Yeeeeettttt thats the MkV

[fallow meadow]

You shouldn't repeat hit using a FS often.

[carmine raptor]

Probably a good idea, that's a lot of resources to bring it to gold in the hopes that you'll get deflection

[jovial frigate]

the fucking dam is so low on these market weps tho

[pure rapids]

doesn't the charged attack count as repeated hits

[gray kelp]

light heavy push cancel is a lot of hits and decent vs. hordes, could help reach some kind of breakpoint vs. poxwalkers

[icy harbor]

replace task button is stuck on such a shitty task and I can not get my 1000 😦

[elfin iron]

Anyone else feel like the Force Staves just... aren't actually that good?

Like I keep coming back to the Recon Las and i feel like i'm doing more

[icy harbor]

you are wrong yeah

[elfin iron]

maybe below level 25 but still

[icy harbor]

play vet then

[elfin iron]

flame ult

[pure rapids]

yea at that point just play Vet lol

[worn jewel]

You;re playing the wrong class

Veteran is in the other room near the zoo

[elfin iron]

No i farm random charges, block with sword for hordes, and use the flame ult at level 30

[fallow meadow]

I would say it could worth to test out.

[elfin iron]

i do plenty only the psyker can do

[worn jewel]

And you're providing little that a dedicated veteran player cannot do better

[jovial frigate]

i still use a recon las in t2s if im running scripts/mats but thats because the mob density is poo

but thats it

[magic hull]

Honestly i just treat my psyker like a zealot but harder to play with cuz no toughness regen.
Good melee, flame stun, Only different is i avoid range and only use BB for long range engagement.

Ideally i want hordes to rush me cuz thats where i thrive in

[celest hedge]

i just always skip the secondary objective ones since they take so long and are too specific

[teal needle]

I'm not gonna say lasgun on psyker is meta or especially great but you can get by with it. 15% damage buff always up is good for headshotting enemy gunners more reliably, and someone on the team should be on that

[celest hedge]

and I can't rely on the team to find and carry al lthe tomes/grims for the entire level

[fallow meadow]

FS heavy special have four hit with the high damage on the end. If it count as a repeat hit, it can be quite a buff.

[pure rapids]

that's what I was thinking

cause the special is literally a chainsword special minus the armor penalty

[jovial frigate]

ye but u can just use a lfg channel and get 600 lottery coins in like 8 missions, vs completing 25 missions for 400

[worn jewel]

Recon lasgun can combo with flayer and cerebral lacerations. But again, at that point; why aren't you playing veteran instead?

[gray kelp]

the question is why would you play like that to begin with on psyker, vet is literally objectively better in every conceivable way for that playstyle lol

[elfin iron]

why play psyker instead of vet? because of ult, force sword push, brain burst

the staves are under powered

[jovial frigate]

brain burst

[magic hull]

lasgun on psyker is good u just need ammo which is why i find it annoying.

[teal needle]

Why play anything but psyker, psyker tank psyker shooter psyker sniper and psyker melee mulcher let's gooooo

[pine iris]

psyker with a gun works and is fun.

[ripe sierra]

Didnt know psyker is just a staff

[pure rapids]

one reason I play Psyker is to not worry about ammo

[pine iris]

BUT 4/5 the claim is BB isn't viable so you have to play staves

[worn jewel]

Well I can't argue with that mindset

[teal needle]

I play psyker to listen to a shrill german dude screech about his INCOMPARABLE MIND

[elfin iron]

The lightning stave is the only one i like because it stuns everything. but the recon las kills more in a hode, procs my random BB and warp charges as much, can do more to elites, works at more range, and i never risk perils

[teal needle]

Everything else is icing on the cake

[magic hull]

• players who doesnt know how to BB at 98%

[elfin iron]

i WANT to use staves, but they feel like a detreiment

[worthy wasp]

Play however, I dont run FS despite that being all the rage... but Staffs are far from underpowered

[fallow meadow]

BB is really not that good. I rather have a grenade box

[gray kelp]

BB is good in malice- but sucks heresy+ as you can only oneshot bombers and snipers

[jovial frigate]

why not just pierce for 5 miles with a voidstrike staff and get more hits per cast than a recon las can do, get easy headshot/weakpoints and not rely on ammo

[teal needle]

BB is viable 4-5 it's just a limited niche tool that you don't use especially often.

[worthy wasp]

Do you play on Damnation?

[worn jewel]

You are the only one here with an unassailable logic imo

[teal needle]

Not saying it's good or fun the way it is

[worthy wasp]

Dont lie

BB feels great on diffs 1-3

[pine iris]

I love BB

[worthy wasp]

But is kinda meh outside of that

[gray kelp]

on that note I am starting to wonder how many people here atm actually play higher diffs lol

[magic hull]

on heresy its harder to BB because everyone is rushing you from every direction

Which is why i think purgatory is perfect for that because unlike the void. You can stun enemies 360!

and yet some malice pepul call purga sucky sucky 😦

[devout axle]

Yes, it feels great when it kills things. But feels terrible when it is no longer able to efficiently kill things.

[jovial frigate]

t1-3 t4 t5

[worthy wasp]

Yep

[pine iris]

I only run surge in 4s but I would run purg if I had a leveled one.

[fallow meadow]

On 1 to 3, BB can one hit special, which make it useful. ...Unless you are using a void staff

[gray kelp]

I like purge when playing with randoms i have to tard wrangle because of it's ease of use, but if your group shares more than a single brain cell and knows how to position with any degree of efficiency I think void is just better a lot of the time

[pine iris]

public 4s are so risky lol. I love to run them with well oiled pre-mades

[icy harbor]

I play T4 most of the time. On T5 most random teams are just not coherent enough

[jovial frigate]

even if your stacking, brainburst is worth swapping to 1/20 times in t5 imo

[worthy wasp]

Nah bro, t5 you be the carry

[icy harbor]

T3 I only do when I have to farm missions or the T4 missions suck

[worthy wasp]

Wanna t5 pug? Gotta be able to do it all

[pine iris]

just because you're glass doesn't mean you're being carried

[weak aspen]

guess i'm trying voidstrike

[icy harbor]

OH BOI YES

Nice gg

Also decent stats on damage

[gray kelp]

if you get warp flurry on that it's gg

[pine iris]

I went down a bunch in a recent match recently but was definitely doing most of the team's DPS and leading

[icy harbor]

Yes

[worthy wasp]

Surge + Antax Mk V for t5 pugs is the way I do it.

CC big bois, lockdown specials, and Antax the shit out of everything in between

[zenith fox]

https://i.imgur.com/WjIj7EF.jpeg ?

[radiant jolt]

Has anyone seen the percentages go above 80%

[zenith fox]

i thought you only get purchasable cosmetics you unlocked?

[weak aspen]

rip

[jovial frigate]

those are different

[gray kelp]

transfer peril isn't bad

[mystic burrow]

is warp battery fixed or do I have to play on heresy for it?

[magic hull]

surge sure is useful but somehow I dont feel fun playing it

[gray kelp]

aim towards heads in hordes and it makes peril management significantly easier

[zenith fox]

warp battery is fixed

still easier on heresy

[weak aspen]

will try it

[gray kelp]

and you can always get it on gold

[mystic burrow]

what do you mean?

[zenith fox]

more enemies

[pure rapids]

or get it when the full crafting releases

[zenith fox]

makes it easier to keep stacks

[gray kelp]

though chances are you will get trolled by funny run and gun blessing like I do every fucking time I upgrade my staves

[magic hull]

voidstrike is satisfying to play with and also useful too

but purga is the most fun because you have to play a certain style

[fallow meadow]

More enemies to trigger the 4%, more enemies to BB

[zenith fox]

its still better than that one that staggers enemies in a 5 meter radius on close range kill

idk why that exists on a ranged weapon that doesnt do well up close

i find voidstrike to be more versatile than purg

[gray kelp]

I have no opinion on it because I have no idea what "close range" actually means for the blessing and the actually effect sounds pretty strong

[zenith fox]

yeah

[pure rapids]

purg staff and surge staff says hello

[fallow meadow]

It work well on purge staff

[pine iris]

when I run purg, nothing touches me even if it's close

[zenith fox]

yeah but does the

[pure rapids]

they're ranged but not ranged

[zenith fox]

close range kill mean ur special melee attack

or just within a certain distance?

and why stagger enemies around a kill with purg and surg

[gray kelp]

I would imagine its being within x meters of a killed target

[pure rapids]

so you don't get hit while you're zapping or burning enemies?

[icy harbor]

You can still get a second blessing

[zenith fox]

awesome

[gray kelp]

if so could be pretty solid with surge staff due to the random nature of the lightning

[zenith fox]

so

i just rejoined

and immedietly got knocked off the map by a barrel

lol

[zenith fox]

ive never had that issue

[pure rapids]

well then good for you

[fallow meadow]

That happened on me too lol

[meager pulsar]

Favorite voice so far?

[worthy wasp]

Heres my thing:

Yall hear "if you use purg why not play zealot" or "if you use gun why not play vet"

But I play predominantly melee. And I use Combat Axe. So I find myself questioning whether or not I should actually be playing Zealot. Then I see a group of Ogryn and CC the shit out of em with Surge staff then go back to hacking and slashing. GGEZ

[pure rapids]

doesn't make it useless

[wide quest]

French lady

[radiant jolt]

loner

[meager pulsar]

I’m liking her too. I appreciate the wholesome attitude

[meager pulsar]

Gender?

[radiant jolt]

aka german psyker

[fallow meadow]

Ogryn can't CC afar much

[radiant jolt]

male

[zenith fox]

ive found saving a couple games as psyker, ones that would have been harder to do so as any other class imo

psyker has his uses

[meager pulsar]

I have only played two matches with a German Psyker and they were super quiet

[radiant jolt]

He's constantly yelling lmao

[magic hull]

reason why i play purg

• It looks cool
• I became the Witcher
• Vietnam flashback
• Challenging / specific playstyle

[meager pulsar]

I mean there were only a couple lines played 😭

[radiant jolt]

I may be biased because I play him all the time though

[wide quest]

Mine sings every damn time he kills a special

Or elite

[radiant jolt]

The way he pings ammo/nades/etc is so unhinged

AMMO!~

[fallow meadow]

reason why i play purg
-For more variety
-Fire
-More FIRE

[vivid merlin]

GRUHNAIyde

[weak aspen]

well then

[pure rapids]

oof

[fallow meadow]

Quite a good one

[pure rapids]

save that for the full crafting release

[magic hull]

thats good tho

[pure rapids]

oh wait I read wrong

[wide quest]

That's what I need

[pure rapids]

but not what you deserve

[gray kelp]

grats, personally im cursed to never get good gear on anything other than ogryn

[wide quest]

The emperor has yet to deem me worthy

[magic hull]

anyone got a 500 gift from emperor yet? im just wondering

[pine iris]

I just had an idea. I want to recruit a play group for all psyker heresy runs

[weak aspen]

ty :)

[pine iris]

we would have to be smart about load outs but it would be fun and 100% viable

[pure rapids]

just get all the staves lmao

[tiny fossil]

how well do staffs rank btw are they one of the stronger weapons

[formal osprey]

Link the stat breakdown on that

[magic hull]

1. Voidstrike
2. Surge
3. Purge

[weak aspen]

i got this from the emperor earlier

[magic hull]

not as good as veteran guns but do well on crowd control

[fast scarab]

is pick n' mix not tracking best attempt anymore or is mine bugged

[radiant jolt]

It does not track best attempt

[fast scarab]

well it did before

[radiant jolt]

Otherwise everyone would have at least a 1/5 lol

[magic hull]

its actually shit

[elfin iron]

Anyway i'm back and i still wanna say, Force staves need more damage, recon las does their job when paired with a Force Sword but better as it can also kill at range.

Force Sword i feel like is a must have

(with deflector)

[wide quest]

I have a 3/5

[fast scarab]

^

[teal needle]

Voidstrike is really good for shootouts 🤷

[wide quest]

But that was during POB

[elfin iron]

I just went and used a voidstrike on a damnation run with friends

[wide quest]

Haven't tried to actually do it yet

[elfin iron]

hated it, couldnt efficently kill much

[wide quest]

I just got it by accident

[radiant jolt]

I mean after the beta it isn't tracking

[elfin iron]

Recon Las maybe needs a nerf, idk

but being able to hold down the trigger at a hordes collective heads is... well just better

[magic hull]

nah

[elfin iron]

Lightning is the only one worth for stunning

[magic hull]

space mg42

[elfin iron]

I really think force staves just need a buff, i want to use them, but i feel stunted if i do

[fallow meadow]

Recon Las is out of the scale even in V's arsenals, in my opinion.

[dark nymph]

im done

[olive ember]

idk how you are using a voidstrike where you can't kill stuff with it tbh

[elfin iron]

I could do stuff

[random brook]

welcome to the club

[random brook]

^

[elfin iron]

but i felt like everything i was doing, i could do with the Recon Las but better

Never risking perils, ect

[magic hull]

the drip

[elfin iron]

(i did have the bonus force weapon feat on btw)

(and my voidstrike is a 375 base roll)

[olive ember]

Idk but i use recon las on my vet and my voidstrike on my psyker def kills hordes just as fast

dunno tho

[young summit]

if only i wasnt a psyker ....

[elfin iron]

Yeah but thats my point, its just as fast, but i never worry about Perils, dont have to quell

[loud violet]

GOD DAMNIT

EMPEROR

DAD WHY

[eager nexus]

But you have to worry about ammo

[elfin iron]

True enough, but i never feel like its an awful problem

Run out of ammo, just hit things and CC with force sword

Perils, die

[eager nexus]

That's a great sword

[pure rapids]

and I have never felt peril management to be an awful problem either

[olive ember]

Also the peril generation on the voidstrike is probably the easiest one to manage

[olive ember]

are you using full charge voidstrike?

[elfin iron]

Still, i think for the overall damage, and DPS, the recon las does more for less
AND THAT SUCKS

[olive ember]

cuz half charge performs almost as well and use like maybe 4-8% peril per ball, fires faster etc.

[wide quest]

I always do half charge

[elfin iron]

also voidstrike is bad cus i dont get as many random BB procs

[fallow meadow]

Seem like it is the recon las out shining everything.

[elfin iron]

Basically

And i aint a fan of that

But i don't think its too overpowered, i think staves just need more damage

[eager nexus]

What about other guns

[olive ember]

meh staves are fine imo and fill a cc niche that recon las doesn't

[elfin iron]

I feel like the only reason to use a staff is because its cool
which is fine, but when i'm running damnation grims, i want to use whats best

[olive ember]

and if you are running reconlas just play vet

[elfin iron]

Force sword fills that niche tho

[ornate hamlet]

I gave in to the emperor's subtle demands of using primitive firepower instead of channeling the warp.
The vague signs of copious lasguns and autoguns at the peddlers stall was a sign from the glorious beacon that is the emperor.
His light shown me the vast superiority of torrent lasguns.

[olive ember]

?? elite cc for surge and flamethrower on purge

[elfin iron]

what about psyker ult, bb, force sword?

[olive ember]

and voidstrike is just general usage

[magic hull]

staff are good where it is just need better stun agaisnt mutant and hounds imo besides surge

[fallow meadow]

I guess if we put that gun on zealot and ogryn, same things will happen.

[olive ember]

i mean yeah if you wanna play jank, but if you like the recon las just go play a vet, their abilities synergize with lasguns so much better

[elfin iron]

Yeah but with recon+sword i get cc, range, higher dps, as many random warpcharge/bb procs with no risk of perils and no need for quelling

[olive ember]

volley fire + counterfire + reduced toughness during volley fire + bleed nades + power sword synergizes alot more with recon las

[elfin iron]

Playing a character "how its meant to be played" vs "playing the best" is fine at 1-3 but at 4-5 with grims/endless its literally you being a detriment

[olive ember]

yeah so why are you bringing a recon las psyker on 4-5 lmao

[elfin iron]

The soulflame feat for the ult at lvl30 is the best horde killing tool in the game

[magic hull]

Honestly just play how you like

as long as its fun

[elfin iron]

beeeecause its the most optimal way to play

[olive ember]

it really isn't

[elfin iron]

it really is

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if thats what you believe

[elfin iron]

higher dps, range, no perils, no quelling, better procs

[eager nexus]

You're the first and only psyker player I've seen say that

[olive ember]

nah hes not the first

theres a small subset who swear by the recon las on PSYKER and i have no clue why

[elfin iron]

Well i think because most psykers REALLY want to use force staves "because its cool/how psyker is meant to be played"

but that thinking is stupid

[olive ember]

like yeah recon las is a good weapon but if you are going to bring a recon las just switch to a vet

[elfin iron]

Recon las does all the same things, with less drawbacks, higher range, better dps

[eager nexus]

It just means you're better using a las gun than a staff

[olive ember]

I can assure you that they don't do the same things and I've used both extensively but

[elfin iron]

I tried for 15 hours to see why the staves were "better"

they werent

[olive ember]

again thats up to the individual

[elfin iron]

my clear rate with the same group has been markedly higher with the las

Its blatantly better

[eager nexus]

For you

[elfin iron]

(and that sucks, force staves need more damage)

for everyone, it is better

[sage yacht]

NO

[eager nexus]

It doesn't suit my play style

[elfin iron]

If you dont want to see that, then you aint tried it or you just want to use whats cool
thats fine tho

[magic hull]

tbh staffs are better than lasgun because of ammo

[pure rapids]

the recon lasgun feels like shit imo

I'd rather just use a normal lasgun

[elfin iron]

tbh lasguns are better than staff because of perils

[stuck basalt]

literally all gun shit, never enough ammo to spam

[sage yacht]

Peril is good

[magic hull]

you shot yourself in the leg here lmao

[unkempt juniper]

here u go fucker

[elfin iron]

I literally do, all the time, on damnation

[elfin iron]

no its the drawback between the two, ammo or perils

[eager nexus]

When you run out of ammo you run out of ammo and that's it. When you explode in peril you become a grenade

That's objectively better dps

[magic hull]

why so agressive damn

[elfin iron]

when you explode in peril at lvl 5 in a horde, you die, and you risk a wipe

[fallow meadow]

recon las have high ROF, no recoil. You can do a lot much more with it than other las gun.

[unkempt juniper]

because purge staff sucks and i will not stop until everyone here understands that

[magic hull]

lmao ok cool

[elfin iron]

based and factual

[magic hull]

xdd

[pure rapids]

purg good

[unkempt juniper]

purge bad

purge very bad

[pure rapids]

I wanna see ya'll mald

[elfin iron]

purge bad

only good staff is the lightning one

[sage yacht]

A purge staff killed my family

[pure rapids]

purg so good

[sage yacht]

except it didn't

[unkempt juniper]

voidstrike does everything purge does while doing dmg

[sage yacht]

because it's a purg staff

[unkempt juniper]

and longer range

[radiant jolt]

Counterpoint: purge good

[pure rapids]

I huff purg for breakfast

[magic hull]

i said video tho

[pure rapids]

lunch

and dinner

[tall meteor]

Staffs are the whole point of the class, like wtf kind of statement is this?

[elfin iron]

lightning actually stuns everything apart from bosses, genuinely best staff no question (you still wont kill shit)

[unkempt juniper]

you did not say video and im not recording one

[eager nexus]

Purge is great if you only play 4 and below

[elfin iron]

thats literally not even true

[magic hull]

read again smh

[elfin iron]

Brain burst, ult, force sword

[fallow meadow]

purge staff killed my Trauma

[elfin iron]

using a worse weapon because you think its the "whole point" is stupid

[eager nexus]

Trauma killed trauma

[magic hull]

nah i play it cuz its fun

[pure rapids]

purg good

[untold surge]

Flame staff I hate, sure it stuns thing and makes it easier for other people to kill them, but I could take a staff that just kills stuff

[magic hull]

lasgun is good but boring af

[elfin iron]

and thats fine! but don't tell me they're better than a recon las because they aint

[radiant jolt]

I just like not using ammo

[tall meteor]

The only one that can even be called "bad" is trauma. The rest scale fairly well.

[magic hull]

nah too lazy to find ammo not my style

[pure rapids]

purg better than recon las

[spice crane]

Do staff kills count as a "Warp Attack"?

[elfin iron]

when i play, its hardest possible difficulty, and i want whats the best, not whats the funnest

[pure rapids]

yes

[spice crane]

big thanks

[jovial frigate]

every time i see someone say that brainburst is the reason you play the class, changes their minds as soon as they start doing t5s

[magic hull]

smh

[elfin iron]

If i wanted to play whats funnest i would run devils claw and revolver

[magic hull]

aight imma enjoy my game lol

[dusty mirage]

just saw my first force sword, at lvl 19

[unkempt juniper]

allright actually, how do i record a video on pc?

[magic hull]

bro shot himself too many times

[unkempt juniper]

what program should i use

[pure rapids]

OBS

[polar fractal]

obs

[magic hull]

i can send u a shady link

[eager nexus]

Lots of programs out there, like OBS

[unkempt juniper]

because purge staff is taking almost 4x as long to kill this crusher than my dueling sword

[wide quest]

Bandicam

[dusty mirage]

windows has built in capture as well

[elfin iron]

I like people in here calling me a clown for wanting to play the way i want to play, very cool

[pure rapids]

that's not the point of purg staff?

[elfin iron]

I never said dont use staves, i'm trying to say they need a buff

[radiant jolt]

Take 100 screenshot sand put them together in a powerpoint and click really fast

[unkempt juniper]

he said a while ago that the dmg ticks from purge are good

[elfin iron]

like goddamn you guys suck way more than actual 40k players

[eager nexus]

Yeah press windows key + G to activate windows game stuff

[zenith fox]

how so?

[magic hull]

man is really delusional rn

[elfin iron]

I dont get called a clown by 40k players for shit like this

[magic hull]

did we hurt ur lasgun feeling

[worthy wasp]

Say youre bad without saying youre bad

[zenith fox]

welcome to tide players

:)

[elfin iron]

Yeah tide players seem to uhhh

[eager nexus]

You're not being called a clown for liking the lasgun better

[zenith fox]

yep

[elfin iron]

be not good at game while also complain at game

[tepid nest]

Its the way you say it, not the content of your message.

[zenith fox]

the good players dont complain

[worthy wasp]

Ye no one has a prob with you liking lasgun

But

[eager nexus]

You're just saying something completely subjective to you is the best for everyone

[worthy wasp]

Lol @ staffs being underpowered and needing buffs

[dusty mirage]

I've seen people manage just fine without a staff, just dont do it in a match with 3 vets.

[elfin iron]

Literally are underpowered

[zenith fox]

"buff that nerf that"

underpowered how

[jovial frigate]

you were a meme as soon as you told me you play psyker for brainburst yet u apparently only play t5s

[worthy wasp]

Lol

[unkempt juniper]

trauma and purge need buffs

[zenith fox]

man

[elfin iron]

wow golly gee i have to hit basic mobs how many times to kill em?

[pine iris]

what level are you

[zenith fox]

people saying stuff needs buffs or nerfs while not elaborating on why and how

[haughty flame]

Cryptic you've come in here and just had this superior attitude, I dont think anyone gives a fuck about what you're saying, you just seem a prick

[unkempt juniper]

like 10 with purge

[elfin iron]

30

[magic hull]

and he wondered why hes being called a clown

[zenith fox]

once?

aim for the head man

[pine iris]

paste your staff stats

[elfin iron]

at lvl 5

[elfin iron]

not even at my main pc rn

[zenith fox]

i dont play level 5 cause i have no friends and pubs suck :(

[magic hull]

yeah we get it you hate purge shits old move on lmao

these people smh

[unkempt juniper]

i will not stop until you hate it too

[elfin iron]

damn y'all toxic as fuck

[pure rapids]

purg good

[radiant jolt]

Post staff stats is the new "tits or gtfo"

[elfin iron]

I get better actual discussion out of 4chan unironically

[unkempt juniper]

void is better

[primal aurora]

nurgle warp does that to people

[magic hull]

purge > void im saying this to fuck with u

[haughty flame]

Go to 4chan then you bellend

[elfin iron]

this entire talk has just been NUH UH

[pure rapids]

purg > void

[magic hull]

void player no brainet