psyker-class

[left hare]

antax is axe

[surreal girder]

Antax MkV is life

[worthy wasp]

MKV Antax is baller af

[hot ice]

Axe laced with anthrax, which is why its so deadly

[wicked grove]

I don't lime the axe in this game

[random brook]

it should also be noted that vs maulers to light attack their chest vs heavy attack their head as it is faster

[wicked grove]

The axe is just eh

[young zinc]

okay, how is the force sword(s)??? ive heard there is a blocker one

[random brook]

this is antax

[wicked grove]

Is there any other force weapon?

[potent echo]

Purge gave me the comfiest clears on heresy

[wicked grove]

Or is it just force sword

[hot ice]

Flak armour targeting ftw

[random brook]

this

[potent echo]

Your team knows they don't need to worry about no horde so they can focus on the isolated threats

[wicked grove]

Like there's force halberds

And force axes

[surreal girder]

Not yet.

[hot ice]

Learned quick on my vet to just shoot mauler chests instead of head

[wet gust]

This kind of Penances should show you which type you're missing

[wicked grove]

Just shoot for maulter chest with a bolter.

[random brook]

its always espionage, you're missing espionage 100% i promise

[hot ice]

Centremass baby

[wicked grove]

You can't miss.

[young zinc]

just a sword for now, but a lot of folks are running axes in pykser

[wet gust]

and the other 2? I'm missing 3 haha

[hot ice]

[hot ice]

Investigation

[random brook]

@wet gust lol i have no clue boss unfortunately

[loud junco]

You can check in the penances mission category if you haven't beaten any on another character but I agree

[wicked grove]

And you feel the thrill of being a SPEHS MEHREEN

[potent echo]

Repair

[young zinc]

yeah the bolter is honestlt the best weapon in the game, even after the stagger nerf

[wicked grove]

"Gua-SPEHS MEHREENS"

"We will attack the enemy!"

[hot ice]

Its clunky reload hold it back from being godtier imo

[wicked grove]

But it's so satisfying.

[tender cipher]

"IT IS THE ENEMY THAT WILL DIE."

[random brook]

If i'm being real I don't think this is true for veteran

[young zinc]

okay whats better?

[hot ice]

Lasgun

Imo

[random brook]

^ is a strong contender

[hot ice]

More consistent

[wicked grove]

"They hide metahl boxes! Te cowards! Te fewls!"

[potent echo]

@tender cipher I tried traumastaff yesterday it was pretty fun actually

[young zinc]

which variant?

[hot ice]

The Mk12 i think is the best

[wicked grove]

Omfg...I need to rename my guardsman Angelos

[tender cipher]

@fresh reef Look, a person with hope approaches!

[wicked grove]

So I can spam his quotes

[random brook]

who knows, I just know what I've seen on heresy/damnation. I think bolter is kinda shit cause its too slow

[wicked grove]

But that reload is so crisp

So chunky

So pristine

[random brook]

yeah but that ADS recoil lmao

[hot ice]

Chunky and clunky 🤤

[young zinc]

the bolters reload is a porblem, as is the inacuracy in full auto, but it does need SOME weaknesses

[wicked grove]

It's like being a space marine but from Wish.com

And I'm fine with that

[hot ice]

It doesnt matter tho, shots always go to centre of screen iirc

[random brook]

well you were saying it was the best, I personally believe its far from it

[wicked grove]

It do got that blocky trunk

It Makin me act up

Ya know go on a heretic murder spree

[hot ice]

Got that dumpy physique 🥵

[wicked grove]

Ya know what I'm sayin

[young zinc]

I mean, the reload being slow doesnt matter much when all the specials are fucking paste

[hot ice]

Lasgun can do the same thing and has more ammo afterwards

[random brook]

i mean if you like it dawg use it, I just think theres better

[hot ice]

Minus against carapace

[wicked grove]

Don't get me started on that .75 cal gyro stabilized bullet.

[random brook]

this isnt true, burn stacks fix that

[hot ice]

Oh yeah burn is a thing on las

[wicked grove]

Tbh if you have a God rolled lasgun awesome

But if you need a God roll lasgun to do something better than a boltguns job...

[potent echo]

Torrent accatran with burn stacks

[wicked grove]

Then you are manufacturing a point that's disingenuous

"Man if only I had a God roll x, it'll totally beat y"

[random brook]

i also don't believe this is true, the only thing you'd perform better on is assassination missions

[hot ice]

You dont need a god rolled lasgun for it be really good tho

[wicked grove]

Like my man. My brother in emperor. You need a God roll to make an argument.

[young zinc]

I have a nearly god rolled luicus MKIII I run with a crits build, slow as balls but one taps everything that isnt an ogryn, on damnation

[hot ice]

Anyway, its better to melee the boss with your powersword haha

[random brook]

no one is talking about a god roll?

[random brook]

i dont even have a vet LOL

[potent echo]

You don't even need bolters in assassination missions you just need force sword psyker honestly

[shy turret]

Cliffhanger is genuinely impossible. I dont know how you managed to complete it. I especially dont know how you did it before the nerf

[hot ice]

I remember hearing bosses take less dmg from ranged attacks anyway

[potent echo]

Do you know the spot

[hot ice]

So its better to melee

[shy turret]

Yes on the map that doesn't exist that I've been waiting like 10 hours for

[young zinc]

when thier sheild is up yeah

[hot ice]

Oh only when the shield is up?

[wicked grove]

When you run the mission for the raid its the one where you run to the evac site and the Valkyrie blows up the bridges

[potent echo]

For Las it's opposite, further = more damage

[young zinc]

yeah when it goes down they take full ranged damage

[wicked grove]

The way up you can ult people off the ledge

[hot ice]

Thought it was that and non shield state

[potent echo]

But shields take no damage from ranged

[random brook]

run espionage missions

theres a mission with two bridges and you can just push mobs over

[young zinc]

zero?? swear ive seen bolters shread them

[potent echo]

Sorry I meant less

[random brook]

they take damage

[potent echo]

[wicked grove]

Pop ult and unload the bolter

[wicked grove]

Yup.

[left hare]

when my veteran brings a boltor i surge staff bulwark and watch it disappear

[teal cargo]

Surge Staff do be no aiming needed 😆

[potent echo]

I honestly think it's better to just power sword melee and save that 20 year reload for the 3 flamers that show up

[wicked grove]

And before you even drop down to extract you can push people off the ledge

[teal cargo]

Unlike Void

[wicked grove]

Cuz they spawn right there

[random brook]

theres no damnation penance for classes btw, its just heresy

[wicked grove]

You make my life so easy as a vet.

[left hare]

i stun mutants and watch as no one shoots them.

[wicked grove]

When I see them lightning arcs. I know I'm gonna have a good time

[young zinc]

but back to physker, though UI havent played physker I have seen gameplay, BB needs a buff to scale better at high difficulties and needs to be less clunky, and staffs need more variety of debuffs to apply

[wicked grove]

Mutants need to get nerfed tbh

[teal cargo]

Surge do a good chunk of dmg to gunners in cover

[wicked grove]

They are a homing ballistic missile

[random brook]

you take this back right now

[wicked grove]

They literally turn on a dime.

[left hare]

mutants shouldnt be able to drift

[random brook]

they are the dumbest creatures that literally save you from anything and everything. You just stand by a wall = it throws you

[wicked grove]

I hate being Tokyo Drifted on

Thrown into a horde

[young zinc]

nah mutuants themsleves are fine, its just that the maps often make dealing with them a pain

[wicked grove]

And nobody fucking reses me

[teal cargo]

thrown off a cliff

[random brook]

dodge to the right, it clothes lines with its right hand. Don't dodge left

[potent echo]

I don't think direction matters, but timing

[wicked grove]

Tbh I play way too close to the wall. The lefty in me really hating playing to the right xD

[potent echo]

If you dodge after he stretches his hands out it's 100% success

[wicked grove]

Sometimes I don't hear him

[random brook]

this is probably true

[wicked grove]

And he just suplexes me off the map

[young zinc]

more like 80% ive seen some werid hitbox stuff happen, but your correct

[wicked grove]

Or teammates just let him keep slapping me against the ground.

It be struggle

[potent echo]

Depends on dodge decay and angle sometimes

[random brook]

I feel like this statement is more about dogs, where you're better off swinging or pushing instead of dodging

[wicked grove]

Dogs I don't really mind.

[young zinc]

Push them when thye pounce, keeps them from running away

[wicked grove]

But mutants just move way too fast and they're way too tanky for the disruption they do.

[random brook]

you're fucked, or you live ontop of their servers lmao

[potent echo]

Yea dogs in high ping is cancer

I tried playing across the Pacific you can't dodge them

[wicked grove]

Yea....I'm in high ping servers

And...I'm crying.

[random brook]

thats crazy cause i've dodged and its snap shotted me instantly

[wicked grove]

Because the muties always grab my ass even when I dodge

[nocturne maple]

How are you supposed to get the penance for killing 3 elites with the death explosion? It barely seems to damage even unarmored ravagers

[cobalt tartan]

gunners die easier than ravagers i think

[random brook]

this is the hardest penance in the game

[wicked grove]

Tbh I got it within like 5 tries

[potent echo]

I did it by being bad on heresy and surge

[cobalt tartan]

i just walked around charging brain blast, and popped a grunt when i saw a group of specials

[wicked grove]

I walked into a group of ragers and a bulwark

[random brook]

okay so you know how ragers can spawn in a pack of 3? If you lightning them 3 times with surge staff and then blow up it kills all 3

[wicked grove]

And just spammed my voidstaff

Granted. I lost that game

But I did the penance.

So I could've cared less.

[young zinc]

more broad question, for those who have sucessfuly played physker on difficuluty 4 and -5 without team wipes, how do you play the class and what do you find fun about it?

[wicked grove]

I've enjoyed the fact I can push, and just support the team.

It's like a more fluid support with a side of spice

[random brook]

you are the support bitch entirely, your job is to play in the back and stun things with surge staff. For hordes if you use antax you're more self sufficient, if you play force sword you need help

[wicked grove]

I love using force sword

[tender cipher]

I like head shot explosions.

[rapid cypress]

Head shot explosions the most optimal way

[random brook]

your goal is to kill elites that the veterans aren't killing, it's not their job to kill every elite

and to protect your team

[rapid cypress]

Yep. You can knock back elites with your force push. Especially useful on stuff like dogs / pox bursters.

[tender cipher]

Headshot explosions.

[teal needle]

Voidstrike makes hordes and trash mobs a lot more comfortable so others can do their jobs. You can be backup bomber and sniper solving, and if elites get into melee you can do as well as anything else. Also, you're tanky af and can clutch. For difficulties 4+

[hot ice]

I like flame staff, it goes fwooooosh and things burn

[cobalt tartan]

voidstrike staff for hordes and very safely killing any and all elites with brain burst

[random brook]

I do not like voidstrike staff

[tender cipher]

Voidstrike staff is good enough where you don't have to weapon swap, if you weapon swap to BB it's only to be nice to your teammates.

[young zinc]

okay, what use does the force sword have, if any?

[cobalt tartan]

you LOVE voidstrike staff

[random brook]

absolutely not

[hot ice]

Deflector

[cobalt tartan]

im out of ideas

[young zinc]

beyond deflector

[cobalt tartan]

special attack on it is great at killing big fellas

[tender cipher]

You just keep looping on repeat till he concedes.

[rapid cypress]

I hated each staff before I used it more lol. I'd like the other staffs to be buffed so they're viable besides surge/void..

[robust meteor]

thoughts for damnation surge staff ?

[random brook]

i refuse to believe void is viable

[hot ice]

It has good dodges and its charge up does some nice single target dmg

[rapid cypress]

doesn't have to be big buffs just lil' tweaks :)

[young zinc]

so FS is an anti elite/special weapon like an axe?

[teal needle]

Voidstrike kills gunners through cover

[random brook]

i think you want stats more like this but thats good enough

[tender cipher]

That explains a lot. I think Ogryn is a better choice for you after all. That or zealot. Just use your emotions and win.

[teal needle]

It's a combo of ax and ogryn riot shield

[random brook]

void staff is fine on paper, as soon as anything surrounds you, a lot of the times you're charging to hit one or two mobs

[cobalt tartan]

void staff blast goes through entire hordes and groups of mobs, staggers whatever it doesnt kill

[random brook]

if we're talking about a hallway, any class does this

any class clears hordes

[tender cipher]

Shoot the ground, be more cognizant of your surroundings, adapt, learn, repeat. Or something. You're given the tools with the void staff and your melee weapon to make things work. In some situations, like all other classes, you'll find yourself at a disadvantage.

[robust meteor]

voidstaff is just for dopamine. just admit it already

[random brook]

what class aoe stuns elites?

[young zinc]

so I had a thought, would it be fair to say physker is a jack of all trades, master of none sort of support>

[random brook]

okay the explosions are dopamine LOL

[hot ice]

Just aim at the floor next to the enemies 4head

[tender cipher]

Not really. But you're free to believe that.

[potent echo]

I think being surrounded means mistakes were made in the first place and no staff will save you

[unkempt juniper]

i use surge in damnation and win frequently

[random brook]

yes but no, because surge staff exists

[unkempt juniper]

dealing damage is good you know

[hot ice]

Flame staff says hi

[robust meteor]

my success rate with surge is significantly higher than with any other staff. do i suck?

[teal needle]

It's a .01s charge to headshot poxes dead on diff 4. Like .2 second charge maybe for diff 5

[young zinc]

is confused

[cobalt tartan]

any class can clear hordes, if they are using the right weapons i guess

[potent echo]

Flame staff doesn't do anything if you spin around like a mad man though

[hot ice]

Left click does tho

[robust meteor]

force surge*

[random brook]

no other class can aoe stun elites which is very valuable

[unkempt juniper]

do you play winston in overwatch?

[cobalt tartan]

tbh flame staff felt the worst to me, i like doing damage and felt like i wasnt doing any with flame staff

[young zinc]

so surge is the exepption

[potent echo]

Number one priority is to not get surrounded. Voidstrike can provide that part quite well

[robust meteor]

i have but more so i play support

[random brook]

in my opinion yes

[tender cipher]

It's dependent on composition and how good your flame staff is.

Pretty much every staff, except trauma can be exploited easily and there are clear lines of set up.

[random brook]

this is a trap, there is no good flame staff

[young zinc]

so, physker is that you basicly set up enemies to be easy for your team to kill?

[cobalt tartan]

yeah true, most of my friends play ogryn so i like standing back far with voidstaff, and shooting through ogryn teammates to kill whatever is in front of them

[potent echo]

You have to hold one point with it, and not spread it around as the dot stacks exponentially

[tender cipher]

Then that's because your party plays that way, you could also go with a hyper aggressive melee comp in which case a flamer is better than void because you're moving as a deathball.

[hot ice]

Honestly at this point if you havent played psyker yet, just play them, you seem interested enough

[unkempt juniper]

voidstrike staggers everything that fire staff staggers while actually doing dmg

[tender cipher]

And CCing is pointless because you have, say two zealots.

[cobalt tartan]

yeah i'm aware, but when i switched to void staff i just killed everything faster i felt like

[worthy wasp]

Tbqh, I was anti-surge before because I felt it was too reliant on team to do work.

But my god, Antax dunks on everythint and its nice to be able to bring out Surge staff for when you are getting rushed by Ogryn

[random brook]

what

[worthy wasp]

CC =/= aoe damage

[robust meteor]

surge staff needs to have stacked crit on perks and blessings to be top tier imo

[young zinc]

I am gonna play all the classes at some point, im just a little unclear on what physkers roles are

[young zinc]

sense BB seems kinda underpowered

[teal needle]

Post launch surge is better than it was that's for sure

[tender cipher]

You don't really understand numbers, don't even bother. If you have two classes fully capable of AoEing everything down then all that's left are the ogryns which your zealots can take care of.

That's the fucking point. It's not that hard to understand.

[potent echo]

Purge mainly has more synergy with ascendant blaze. Voidstrike has it's stagger come in isolated bursts and depending on playstyle and team comp it might be better/worse

[robust meteor]

i bet that pumps

[hot ice]

It had its uses, but falls off a lot past malice

[tender cipher]

You could do this with the surge staff, but why bother?

[sour bison]

huh

[hot ice]

Pretty much, dont rely on it but dont forget it exists

[cobalt tartan]

i see a lot of complaining about brainburst , but i find major use in it for heresy missions (have not played any damnation yet)

[potent echo]

It's a tool in the psyker toolbox

[worthy wasp]

Amazing roll, cant wait til crafting is a thing so you can reroll the unwanted mod

[young zinc]

so like I was sayingp, physker is the verstile suppory

?

[tender cipher]

Everything is a tool in the psyker box and you have to consider that the game is meant to be played with any combination of classes.

[robust meteor]

it takes 3-4 bb for bulwarks

[potent echo]

Psyker is like a problem solver with a multi tool, not super great at any one role but can cover many

[random brook]

it hurts to read what you say a lot of the time, are you okay?

[fading yew]

Why does Peril sometimes go down when you equip a melee weapon? It doesn't always happen, it seems.

[tender cipher]

Logic isn't your strong point, hence go ogryn or zealot.

[cobalt tartan]

yeah you cant 1 shot bulwarks by yourself but who can? usually i get two brainburst in then they die, due to teammates

[potent echo]

It goes down faster on a non force weapon

[teal needle]

Yeah I don't want bb to get much better without changing how it works because it's not actually a very fun way to interact with the game. Fight me.

[cobalt tartan]

dont say zealot thunder hammer that shit was ass

[robust meteor]

its just an incredibly amount of time dedicated to one task that isn't a massive threat

[young zinc]

my lucis can two shot them in the back

[hot ice]

Dont know why you are fixated on it being support, it can be the main damage dealer if the team comp allows it

[random brook]

can i see your achievements oh great psyker master of logic

[tender cipher]

Brain burst to open them up and then move on.

[cobalt tartan]

exactly, would be busted if you could just 1 shot bulwark

[young zinc]

cuz aside from spesific staffs for aoe physker doesnt seem to have good DPS at all

[tender cipher]

If I am playing with my Vet friend I just use BB to stagger and move on since he'll do the killing, it's more important that I clean up the elites and control the horde.

[random brook]

I'm being dodged by the master of logic :|

[left hare]

people who say use BB to stagger then theres me surge staff 🌩️

[robust meteor]

i would be okay with 3 bb from non talents, but when you hit with 3 and you need to quel or ult for a 4th, it just feels like a waste of resources

[left hare]

Taste some UNLIMITED POWERRRRR

[cobalt tartan]

you need to quell to 97% to get a brainburst off, so i never feel like its an issue

[potent echo]

BB gives you the option if you have another staff on

[polar fractal]

so this actually isn't as bad as i thought it would be then?

[teal needle]

Staff primary does more damage than bb outright lol

[robust meteor]

true, its frustrating to have to quel from max before being able to use class things again in that scenario

i just wish bb did a bit more damage

[tender cipher]

No, I am just going to entertain your stupidity. You can either argue with logic and look up the numbers or shut up.

[hot ice]

Quelling is fast if you use the staff

[robust meteor]

or if it stacked on an enemy

i wish it stacked

[cobalt tartan]

which staff?

[young zinc]

see my thought is to have BB totaly ignore armor

unless it does that already

[random brook]

uh huh

[bold maple]

pretty sure it ignore armour

[robust meteor]

but stacking on bosses wouldn't work because that would be op so it would just be for elites

[teal needle]

Anything but purgatus

[hot ice]

Im certain its affected by armour

[young zinc]

then yeah BB needs a damage buff, perhaps scaling with difficulty

[tender cipher]

Eh, Purgatus stacks dots non-linearly.

[polar fractal]

This discord is full of entertaining characters

[young zinc]

or you need to be able to get BB off faster

[tender cipher]

That's why two charges is over kill on a lot of things.

[cobalt tartan]

brainburst vs fully charged voidstrike

[tender cipher]

Your staff is wrong.

[cobalt tartan]

(heresy)

[robust meteor]

nah bb should apply a debuff that was to the effect of "targets hits by brain burst take 25% more brain burst damage" 5 second duration etc etc

[young zinc]

??

[potent echo]

In a 1v1 scenario maybe, but those don't exist in this game

[random brook]

its best to block/ignore what this guy says in any situation btw

[tender cipher]

Sec

[wispy ember]

whats the best mission to get cliffhanger

[random brook]

@wispy ember espionage missions

I forget the exact name it has two bridges at the end

[cobalt tartan]

does the staff get that much stronger with upgrades? i just hit 30 so its not an orange staff

[tender cipher]

Your staff is wrong.

[hot ice]

The one with the 3 bridges getting airstriked by a valkyrie at the end

[cobalt tartan]

brainburst still does 300 more damage?

[tender cipher]

Yes, but BB also takes more time to charge up.

[torpid herald]

bb?

[tender cipher]

My point is that with a better staff you close the gap.

[cobalt tartan]

yeah that makes sense, but brainburst is 100% safe to shoot as well

[potent echo]

BB also doesn't pierce all the enemies between you and the crusher

[tender cipher]

(And you don't have to weapon swap)

[robust meteor]

brain burst

[tender cipher]

I can concede that.

[torpid herald]

ah

[potent echo]

And tbh crushers are a very low priority target

[cobalt tartan]

its the trade off from speed vs damage

its all about how many attacks right to kill someone

[random brook]

this is surge staff btw

[young zinc]

it just feels off that physkers main class thing, brain burst, isnt viable at all diffuclites and gets outclassed in usefulness by physkers weapons

[tender cipher]

Usually, they'll start taking damage from veterans so any splash damage or "accidental" shots with the void staff will not only stagger mobs around it etc.

[cobalt tartan]

tbh all the staff number doesnt mean anything since we all have different level staffs

[potent echo]

That's single target, if you add more target damage drops

[random brook]

if you aim up you hit the big guy :D

[cobalt tartan]

also level 30 shout makes brain burst charge faster and use less peril

[young zinc]

ya mean feat?

[cobalt tartan]

pop that and you destroy specials extremely quickly, or monstrosities

[potent echo]

Issue with this convo is why is crusher killing a baseline. Crushers should never hit anyone if there isn't a horde to deal with at the same timr

Priority number 1 is horde and specials

[tender cipher]

That's pretty much everyone's go to - I think very few people use anything but Kinetic Barrage.

[cobalt tartan]

just a high hp enemy

[potent echo]

Force sword kills it the fastest

[cobalt tartan]

exactly, this feat is what makes brainburst viable imo

[potent echo]

In a 1v1 scenario

[tender cipher]

It's not even an issue because most of the time the veteran is going to take it on or the zealot.

[cobalt tartan]

brainblast destroys dogs in 2 shots i think

[potent echo]

BB 2 shots dogs in heresy

[random brook]

yea

[tender cipher]

Yeah, you don't even bother with dogs when using the void staff since you can target them from far away

They'll usually die from happen stance.

[cobalt tartan]

i like to charge up the brainblast when i hear mutant or dog then pop right as they come into sight

[ruby merlin]

I don't think bb is worth on mutants or dogs in damnation unless they're running away.

[tender cipher]

^ What Cetea said.

[ruby merlin]

BB is still good for snipers or bombers.

[cobalt tartan]

havent playe damnation so i cant weigh in on that

[tender cipher]

It goes for heresy too.

[potent echo]

Staff left click tends to do more if the mutant is running on a straight line

[tender cipher]

I just FS and stab mutants.

Or just use the staff and focus on more relevant targets.

[ruby merlin]

I just like the axe, dodge slide away from mutants, a few light attacks and they go down pretty fast.

[wide heron]

Or just chain lightning every elite so they cant play the game thus letting your team kill them without ever getting hit

[ruby merlin]

The axe has like 1k dps vs mutants for some reason.

[cobalt tartan]

if im not killin im not playin

[tender cipher]

Lightning has limited range, limited targets, higher peril generation for that damage, and is utterly garbage versus some targets (the ones without armor) and you'll need teammates.

[ruby merlin]

Also does anyone know why force sword passive quell is slower than a normal weapon's passive quell?

[tender cipher]

If you're pugging you can only trust yourself.

[ruby merlin]

Or is that based on the warp resistance stat.

Lightning is still decent if you need to clutch in a pug

Lightning some mobs, get in a quick axe attack or two, kite back etc, and lightning again when you have space. Good if you're up vs 5 ragers or something.

[random brook]

its more than decent when you allow them to attack a target dummy instead of a monster swinging

[ruby merlin]

(assuming everyone else is dead)

@random brook I'm assuming in a pug the rest of your team is all dead, since that happens a lot lol.

Especially on damnation.

You can recover sometimes if you play really well.

[boreal crystal]

loooving the shove follow up attack on combat axe mk 5, just spamming the crap out of it to slice hordes

[tender cipher]

Fair. I find that most fresh 30s struggle with positioning and horde control most of the time and make reckless moves so they need to be bailed out as they get swamped. Usually killing mobs makes it easier. And if you're solo it's usually due to a horde.

[random brook]

On damnation, vs a bulwark with a shield, what do you do with the voidstaff? Do you just brain burst it 3 times?

[ruby merlin]

@boreal crystal Yep, grab the brutal momentum perk if you can find it!

@tender cipher Yeah for sure, horde + a few crushers on damnation and maybe a trapper or a dog, and it seems like pugs go down like poxwalkers lol.

[potent echo]

I've noticed that too

[ruby merlin]

@potent echo Yeah it's the main reason why I ditched the force sword for either the antax mkv axe or the dueling sword

Passive quell is really nice for those clutch moments.

[random brook]

or is that a "thats for someone else to deal with moment" trauma?

[tender cipher]

It's because the game spawns mobs directly behind you for funsies, it's the small random hits not the big obvious ones.

[potent echo]

Force sword is considered a force weapon so peril decay is slower than usual

[ruby merlin]

@tender cipher True, but they do make a pretty noticeable noise (trappers do at least, dogs behind you are harder to react to IMO).

[cyan notch]

yea i feel like enemies can come from any direction anytime

[potent echo]

Sometimes they even appear in front of you lmao

[tepid nest]

You should just block people that are annoying you rather than harassing them.

Going to take my own advice here too btw

Nice & clean now

[potent echo]

I think he's a zealot main

Goes in hard

[frail shuttle]

What do you all suggest for the players who drop a medkit infront of a fully stocked Medistation...

[ruby merlin]

Tbh I do like going in with newbies who are just looking to learn the game on higher difficulties.

[random brook]

what part of it is harassing?

[tender cipher]

I don't really care to talk to people who won't look at the game objectively.

[ruby merlin]

It's far more annoying when someone thinks they're good, but they're actually bad lol.

[cyan notch]

game is still new people are still figuring things out

[cobalt tartan]

2 brainbrust leaves a shielder at 335hp. hopefully one of your 3 teammates can do 300 damage to the bulwark while its stunned from the first 2 brainbrusts

[ruby merlin]

(usually it's someone backseat gaming when they're dead, always hilarious lol).

[tender cipher]

And there's a handful of people in this room who consistently do it, one person who insisted that there is absolutely no use case ever for using pre-charge BB.

[formal lava]

is there a LFG in this server

[potent echo]

Wrong combo reee

[tender cipher]

Another person who says that void staves are absolutely not viable in heresy+

[ruby merlin]

I mean there's always a use case for everything, just depends on how rare that use case is.

[potent echo]

Yes

[pine warren]

There's literally a whole set of LFG channels for each region

[random brook]

the point is a lot of hordes can have bulwarks in them, which the void staff does zero damage to forcing people to either sidestep to hit it in the back or force you to BB stagger it in a horde

[ruby merlin]

What I like about psyker is that we're never really left without a viable play.

[potent echo]

Vox something channels

[frail shuttle]

Theres definitely a use for it.
I just fail to use it...

[cobalt tartan]

yeah the void staff is only extremely good against every other enemy unfortunately

[tender cipher]

That's agreeable. But being so mentally in denial about the facts of game play makes you worse of a player as you won't pick up those tools when you need it.

[ruby merlin]

Like when I play a zealot with a flamer, I'm really good at melting hordes sure. But if my pug teammates can't deal with a sniper in the distance, it gets really annoying lol.

@tender cipher Yeah agreed, I generally tend to hold opinions loosely, and to test stuff other people say is good even if I disagree.

[tepid nest]

If you wont try new things or change your opinion on things, then you stop learning :).

[ruby merlin]

Yep exactly.

[tepid nest]

Good mindset

[frail shuttle]

but oh man, full casting it into a horde of chaff is the most satisfying thing

[cobalt tartan]

hell yeah it is

i wish the soul flame perks did a little more

[ivory patrol]

void staff is how I got Cliffhanger by accident lmao

[ruby merlin]

Do you guys think voidstaff is kind of a 'win more' weapon?

Like when you're stable in damnation

It just melts stuff

[tender cipher]

For things like that, I tend to use Kinetic Barrage and deal with it immediately. But more often than not, slower moving targets you can just avoid and reposition. There are so many more priority targets.

[ruby merlin]

but in clutch mode it's harder to use it to recover maybe?

[frail shuttle]

win more is the lightning staff

[random brook]

this

[frail shuttle]

have the voice lines congratulate you on your killing is the void staff

[ruby merlin]

Hmmmm I am able to clutch sometimes with the lightning staff. Slide, shock to stun, attack with axe, repeat and slowly give up ground if needed.

[tender cipher]

It depends on your set up.

[ruby merlin]

And in situations where your team is being overwhelmed by 5 crushers or something, it's pretty neat to buy time.

[tender cipher]

Like if you're with a team of 3 psykers and 3 of them have void staves. You should probably consider swapping to Lightning.

[frail shuttle]

with the lightning i am able to just stun everything except thick swarms

[tender cipher]

Well I guess it would be 4 psykers.

[shy turret]

Is staff kills considered warp attacks?

[tender cipher]

If you have 4 psykers and 2 have lightning, then the second person with lightning is wasting it.

[ruby merlin]

Oh yeah for sure, once I had a team of 3 psykers, we just lined up chokes, void staff melted everything, lightning for elites that got close. Was super smooth even though we were all pugs.

[cobalt tartan]

yeah i just feel like a loser when my only job is to hold people still while my teammates kill people

[tender cipher]

Or rather diminishing returns.

[tepid nest]

I've had a 4 Psyker Malice lobby, at that point I just hardly swapped off force sword lol

[wet pivot]

Which has more dps axe or force sword?

[ivory patrol]

it's funny bc when I play D&D that's one of the best feelings

[ruby merlin]

@cobalt tartan IMO if you go for the lightning staff, you gotta run axe or some other high dps melee weapon that can kill multiple things in one swing.

[tender cipher]

It's really hard to organize too since some times you can join midmatch which is painful, you don't get time to weapon swap.

That's why I stick with void most of the time.

[cobalt tartan]

makes sense

[ruby merlin]

@wet pivot Axe does more dps vs hordes for sure. Force sword if you can isolate one elite, then the special does more dps.

[frail shuttle]

only runs force sword

[ivory patrol]

I might have missed it but what's the consensus on Trauma staves

[ruby merlin]

But axe is easier to clutch with, given my personal playstyle (lots of sliding, lots of dodging, push attacks etc).

[cobalt tartan]

i think void is most versatile considering the other tools psyker has

[shy turret]

Is staff kills considered warp attacks?

[tepid nest]

I'll probably give that another go soon. I've been on surge for a while and I need to retry some things now.

[scarlet lily]

Force sword charged will chunk assassination bosses at any diffuclty

[tender cipher]

I hope the shop blesses you.

[ruby merlin]

There was someone here yesterday promoting the fire staff in damnation.

[frail shuttle]

oh yeah "it stuns everything!"

[ivory patrol]

I've thought about trying a full Soulblaze build

[tepid nest]

Doubt, but hopefully 🙂

[scarlet lily]

I'm talking like 25% of the HP, and force utility is kinda nutty.. But I play in quickplay so axe might be fun with a group

[cobalt tartan]

i tried fire staff in malice and i feel like it did nothing, couldnt imagine damnation lol

[cyan notch]

i thought that was a bug when i saw the damage lol

[ruby merlin]

@scarlet lily My problem with the force sword is the lower passive quell, makes perma blocking bosses harder to do ( actually need to think about it and dodge better lol).

[tender cipher]

There are a few players who do and allegedly have success in with it, but they're probably running very aggressive death balls.

[ruby merlin]

@tender cipher Yeah I haven't seen any good vods with the fire staff in damnation yet.

[scarlet lily]

Force push purges 50% of your peril, and you can quell dodge ifff you need it

It gives time for your stamina to charge as well

[ruby merlin]

Best psyker I've seen play so far is probably J_sat, he runs the usual surge + dueling sword.

[ivory patrol]

I'm currently only running FS because mine has Deflector (better block efficiency & blocks ranged)

[ruby merlin]

@scarlet lily Yep, but I do better with the antax axe instead, faster passive quell.

[wet pivot]

The weapon system is quite confusing. Force sword deal more damage to scab rager than dreg rager. How is that even possible

[tender cipher]

Be the change that you want to see. Use the flame staff and be the first!

[scarlet lily]

zap

[cyan notch]

whats great about duelling sword

[tepid nest]

And this is why I also need to try purg staff as well :). It was crashing my game in the preorder beta, but my group is rather aggressive

[wet pivot]

One is armored and the other is not

[ivory patrol]

hot

[scarlet lily]

still no peril quell blessing.. Empra..

[ivory patrol]

psykers are very good at kiling armoured targets

[ruby merlin]

@cyan notch high dodge distance, really nice attack angles, good dps, easy to land headshots.

[tepid nest]

Just don't use the special on it, it's absolutely worthless.

[ruby merlin]

@cyan notch The antax mkv axe is like the dueling sword, but lower dodge distance, higher dps, better cleave.

[tender cipher]

I would imagine two psykers with flamers running around burning everything to death letting the zealots/ogryns handle the rest would be fine too. There's no point in CCIng because everything that a purg staff sucks at your teammates can handle.

[ruby merlin]

Both fill the same niche (synergizes well with surge staff as a multi tool that can kill everything).

[tender cipher]

That being said, I don't think it's a very pug friendly weapon because you'll run into ranged hordes

[ivory patrol]

Purg staff feels good vs everything except Crushers too w/ brain burst procs

[ruby merlin]

Yeah pugs don't deal with ranged patrols well in my experience. They let them post up.

[tepid nest]

That's where my head is at. Worst case scenario it's a good mob clear when we're sprinting though malice or something. For lvl 1-2 I'm running a lasgun at this point.

[scarlet lily]

Do crushers take the bonus status damage

[ivory patrol]

Crushers take basically no soulblaze dmg

[scarlet lily]

man NOTHING takes soulblaze damage

It's depresso

[tender cipher]

It's a death spiral. The Veteran get suppressed, can't kill elites, then the grenadier starts throwing flame grenades with impunity and they always come in 3s, and Reapers turn their attention on the last few players while the Ogryn is afk in a corner with a horde beating on the shield wondering when his teammates will actually do work.

[ivory patrol]

Soulblaze is good vs ragers & maulers

and other ogryns

literally everything except crushers

Crushers just take like 2 damage per stack max

[ruby merlin]

@tender cipher pretty much, and all of that could be avoided if the ogryn just insta charged the group before they split up, then they all die in seconds lol.

[tired tinsel]

Why dueling sword over FS? The FS special deletes elites

[tender cipher]

The ogryn has a potato PC and joined mid match unfortunately because no one queues for Damnation.

[boreal crystal]

hard to insta charge if the veteran is such a CRACK SHOT that he instantly headshots 1 of the 32 guardsmen and makes them all go into cover

[scarlet lily]

I dislike that precharging head burst doesn't get the speed from level 30 trait

[ruby merlin]

@tired tinsel The special has a delay, makes it impractical for dealing with multiple elites when you're swarmed. The dueling sword is more flexible, has good attack angles and lets you chip away at everything till they all die, and does it very safely.

[scarlet lily]

[robust meteor]

i just did a thing. brain burst suggestion https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/fixing-brain-burst/64878

[ruby merlin]

Doesn't matter if there's 10 ragers or something, the dueling sword will kill them all eventually so long as you don't have a bunch of ranged shooting at you.

[grim bay]

best weapon for psyk by far, makes you unkillable

[boreal crystal]

combat axe mark 5 seems the best of all worlds maybe

[ruby merlin]

I think it's all viable to be fair

[scarlet lily]

this

[tender cipher]

I have a Force Sword with Deflection..

[tired tinsel]

Can you get deflector on dueling sword or only on FS?

[ruby merlin]

Dueling sword, antax mk v axe, force sword, dagger.

[tender cipher]

I don't thnk I can ever drop it :/

[tepid nest]

Bold statement

[ruby merlin]

@tired tinsel Only on FS, but the dueling sword has a really nice dodge distance, and the attacks just feel so good.

[wet pivot]

Does it eat ur stamina quickly?

[ruby merlin]

@wet pivot we block with peril, so no

[grim bay]

I say give it another few months of people copying the old beta psyker build before they test other weapons and find out how broken psyker is

[polar fractal]

Force sword with deflection is too good to Pass Up for me personally

[scarlet lily]

tru

[tender cipher]

I use Kinetic Shield. Transfer rates are about 3 peril or less per ranged attack and like 5-7 per poxwalker melee attack?

[ivory patrol]

mood @tender cipher

[ruby merlin]

Yeah we're not vets, we get multiple melee options. Vets meanwhile mostly run power swords lol.

[boreal crystal]

given the existence of axe 5, the only extra value FS has is the bullet shield at the cost of horde clear (seems like axe 5 is the best at horde clear). I don't see needing the mobility of the rapier given how it's mediocre otherwise

[scarlet lily]

Mix in dodging to the bunch

[ivory patrol]

I've recently swapped to Mind in Motion

[boreal crystal]

any weapon can chip away at a horde so whatever

[ivory patrol]

quelling at full speed feels nice

[wet pivot]

Can u tank sniper with it?

xD

[scarlet lily]

brain blast

[tender cipher]

That's an ability, not an attack.

[scarlet lily]

and no

[ruby merlin]

@wet pivot No, nothing tanks snipers.

[ivory patrol]

lol no @wet pivot

[ruby merlin]

So tag them, that's the counter 😛

[scarlet lily]

snipers are villains

[grim bay]

can axe tank Any horde / mercs / DaemonHost / etc with 0 dmg 0 block break?

while clearing it?

[ivory patrol]

6 charges w/ deflector FS and sniper will still oneshot you

[ruby merlin]

@grim bay Yes

Daemonhost tanking on the axe is super easy

[grim bay]

it breaks block far faster, its push is single target

[ruby merlin]

same with dueling sword

[wet pivot]

What ability u mean? The sniper?

[grim bay]

rapier does it all just better

[ruby merlin]

@grim bay I've used both, and axe is very very reliable

[tender cipher]

Yeah the sniper. I don't think it is classified as an attack?

[left timber]

rapier any good?

[ruby merlin]

when you have a daemonhost + hordes on you for instance, axe will do very well.

Rapier is very good as well.

[boreal crystal]

what does any particular weapon have to do with any of that?

[grim bay]

cleaves on block swing, faster block regen, lower block slash cost, MUCH more mobility, higher DPS (less burst)

@boreal crystal listed above

[ivory patrol]

different weapons are better at tanking

in different ways

[grim bay]

^

[ruby merlin]

@grim bay The axe also cleaves on block swing, and with the right perk has infinite cleave.

[boreal crystal]

oh you haven't actually used axe?

[grim bay]

depends which axe? its a lunge

[ivory patrol]

yeah seen some nutty axes in my limited from melk

[ruby merlin]

It's only the antax we're talking about @grim bay

[boreal crystal]

best weapon by far!!!! but i haven't tried them lul

[ruby merlin]

antax combat mkv

[grim bay]

antax is the mobility axe

[ruby merlin]

Not the tactical axe

[polar fractal]

Have yet to find a decent mk5 axe rip

[ruby merlin]

antax has cleave and full horizontal swings.

[tender cipher]

@ruby merlin What dueling sword do you use?

[polar fractal]

Or whatever the antax one is called

[ruby merlin]

@tender cipher Just some random green one LOL.

[wet pivot]

Does anyone ever tested it though? I’m so curious about the deflection + the kinetic deflection feat

[ruby merlin]

But it works decently lol.

I mostly use the axe to be fair.

[tender cipher]

I tried and died.

[wet pivot]

Lol

[ruby merlin]

Yep me too lol

I was like "Hmmm, I can res with deflection vs that sniper right?"

Nope, dead

[wet pivot]

Lmao

[ivory patrol]

yeah sniper doesn't care how good you are at blocking

[grim bay]

• 90% of the game is going around the map fast to gather crafting mats, so Rapier speed slide saves you 10minutes/match

all while doing everything axe does

[fading yew]

What changes when you fully charge a surge staff, as opposed to just shooting it as soon as possible?

[grim bay]

• more

[fading yew]

Is it just a damage change?

[boreal crystal]

lol

[ivory patrol]

it does more damage

that's it

[ruby merlin]

@fading yew damage, and the cc is harder on certain staffs.

[fading yew]

No more crits, no more stagger chance?

[ivory patrol]

it might stun for a bit longer

but it hits the same number of times from what I've seen in meat grinder

[ruby merlin]

But low-mid charge is almost always better on things like surge or void.

You do want full charge sometimes of course.

[fading yew]

That's worth then. Stagger is the whole point of Surge staff, to the best of my knoweldge.

[ruby merlin]

But it's rarer

@fading yew on damnation, spam low charge.

[ivory patrol]

it's not any longer than you would stun them by hitting them again sooner

[tender cipher]

Good night everyone, good luck in your games and may the shop actually give you items you care about.

[ivory patrol]

so it's really not worth unless you're fighting 2 elites

[ruby merlin]

Night trauma 😄

[fading yew]

I see.

[grim bay]

side note, anyone seen perk Rating higher than 65? aka is 150 the max? https://i.imgur.com/E36fiVa.png

also anyone seen 80 rating on blessing for wound? is there a +2 or is 1 the max

[ruby merlin]

@fading yew check out J_sat's stream if you like, probably best damnation play I've seen from a psyker in a stream so far.

[ivory patrol]

my beloved has only blessed me with a single transcendant relic

[ruby merlin]

They have 7k hours or something crazy like that from vt2

so they have excellent positioning.

[ivory patrol]

and it isn't even 150 :(

[ruby merlin]

@ivory patrol Get relics with +% chance to get relics

and that seems to get you a lot of legendary relics

[ivory patrol]

yeah been on the lookout

[grim bay]

its same drop rate as normal, but 100% you get far more by doing heresy+ https://i.imgur.com/bHW9DyA.png

[ruby merlin]

My ideal relic setup in the end game will probably have +block cost % reduction, blocking is just too good to pass up.

[grim bay]

malace seems to never give? but still drops a lot of other loot

might just be total RNG though

just feels like that

[ivory patrol]

I've only been queuing heresy since i finished Going Out With a Bang

lmao

[ruby merlin]

If you do malice IMO, only do it to queue with newbies and carry them 😄

[latent ingot]

lord i am going to lose my mind if my 5th kill for pick n mix gets taken 1 more time

[slow junco]

can anyone help me get monstrunium?

[ivory patrol]

I've had a couple pugs try to help with the heresy achievements but no luck so far

[ruby merlin]

It's nice to show them how the melee system works, gotta bring up the average pug skill level lol.

[ivory patrol]

prob gonna wait until I can get an actual group to do it

[grim bay]

• mats in malce/heresy are almost identical

only jumps up for damnation it seems

[slow junco]

heresy+ pug skil levels are generally good.

[ivory patrol]

yeah we got close on monstro

but I got knocked off the map & we said fuck it

[slow junco]

zzzzzzzzz

[ivory patrol]

it was the 2nd monstro that mission too

[wet pivot]

Somehow if i do uprising and malice i only got lvl 30 squads doing scripture contract xD, i guess we all in the same boat

[polar fractal]

I still need to Finish going Out with a bang, i just really dislike that penance in particular

[slow junco]

I got lucky on that one

mjy squad was busy on a med station

[ivory patrol]

if I get grim contract and have already rerolled I only do it on uprising if I can it's too annoying lmao

[slow junco]

I jsut poped 5.

[ivory patrol]

going out with a bang was actually kinda easy

just went on a high intensity pug and when they got overwhelmed and died I just blew myself up on the low hp elites

[polar fractal]

Some people also say that going out with a bang is bugged for them on the forums

[ivory patrol]

kinda threw the mission but

I don't think they were gonna finish it anyway

[wet pivot]

Yeah coz the grim slowly corrupt the HP until u have no wounds left lmao

[slow junco]

o that one I just saw 4 zerkers and took ym chance.

[ivory patrol]

ragers are not bad for it

shotgunners die from full but you have to get close enough to 3 of them without dying

[magic hull]

potential???

[worthy wasp]

Bruh

[grim bay]

529 max roll , good one

[ivory patrol]

is the best dueling sword just 80%+ mobi

[grim bay]

and great first perk

[polar fractal]

The going out with a bang penance Armor is my favorite in terms of look though, so i guess i gotta get to it

[worthy wasp]

Psyker is awesome.... but Psykinetic is ass

[ivory patrol]

it is so so good looking @polar fractal

[grim bay]

@magic hull 100% buy / craft that up and share the progress! that is juiced

[polar fractal]

Private lobbies when

Let me do that Shit with bots

[ivory patrol]

honestly just look for high intensity pugs and if they suck when they all die you can blow urself up

[tired tinsel]

Do we know yet if they’re adding new sub classes or will the new classes be entirely different from the existing 4?

[magic hull]

yeah i need to farm to upgrade it XD

[grim bay]

grats on your find though

[hot ice]

whats the difference between the different version of the duel sword

[grim bay]

will be a nice one either way

@hot ice different attack pattern, one cleaves more, other dodges more

[magic hull]

fuck it imma do it

[wet pivot]

Guys, how to complete malleus monstronum in public lmao?

[grim bay]

Tee GL GL

[worn heath]

ask nicely, if not move on

[hot ice]

hope your random teammates are nice

[wet pivot]

Lol

[magic hull]

damn

[ruby merlin]

@wet pivot best thing is to wait for the darkness modifier to come up

go do those missions on heresy, there'll be a ton of daemon hosts

then you just need a psyker with peril block or an ogryn with shield to hit it once, aggro it, tank it while you BB it down.

[grim bay]

@magic hull can still reach 497, Weakpoint (headshot) on horde is great

[ruby merlin]

Ask nicely and most people will probably let you do it!

[magic hull]

wish i could reroll that XD

[wet pivot]

Will try

[grim bay]

tee its really good

[robust meteor]

ask all the shield ogryns if they can tank it for u if it spawns. rest of the team should be cool with it

[magic hull]

Im farming to roll this bad boy though

[grim bay]

the diff between min roll annd max roll is instead of 5% its 7%

no difference

that sword is juiced

Final power level will be lower but it cost you nothing, you lost nothing

[ruby merlin]

@robust meteor Easier to find a psyker with peril block IMO (since we should all have that perk, plus you can trade the penance too!)

[grim bay]

the real stats are all high where it matters

[ruby merlin]

in darkness missions there will always be at least 2 daemon hosts, usually 4+

[magic hull]

ok lemme test the sword out

[ruby merlin]

@magic hull The Mk V dueling sword is the recommended one by most, but try out the one you like best.

[robust meteor]

i guess. i was thinking ogryn because the charge stagger

[ruby merlin]

I'd just grab some grey ones to test for now.

[magic hull]

im currently using this axe and its been serving me well

[ruby merlin]

@magic hull If you can, try to get one with brutal momentum on it.

infinite cleave on any headshot is nice lol

For the axe I mean

[robust meteor]

BUY BUY BUY

[ruby merlin]

Oooh nice one

[worthy wasp]

Max health is a trap.... aint it?

[polar fractal]

I got a cracked level 30 ogryn with shield, If any of you lot need help krumping daemon hosts. But right now i can only start playing at like 8 pm EU time, Uni Deadlines do be annoying

[grim bay]

https://i.imgur.com/5a1SnpG.png

😄

[ruby merlin]

I really want damnation 3+ difficulties or something, the equivalent of cata 3+

[robust meteor]

think so?

[magic hull]

gimme that pls 🙂

[grim bay]

is still my go to tho

plays better than axe

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp eh, given the toughness change, when as long as you're at 100% toughness you take 0% damage, I think health increase is fine.

[unkempt juniper]

yeah duelling swords are basically better tactical axes imo

[ruby merlin]

@grim bay It's all player preference IMO.

[robust meteor]

ill upgrade it and see what happens

[ruby merlin]

Right now damnation is puggable by either weapon

[cobalt tartan]

whats everyones favorite 25 feat?

[ruby merlin]

Like tactical axes are not viable, and I think the catachan swords are pretty bad, but antax mkv, dueling swords, force swords, the daggers are all viable.

[robust meteor]

meh

[ruby merlin]

@cobalt tartan 10% bb for me, the others are meh IMO.

[cobalt tartan]

yeah they are all pretty bad i think

[compact cargo]

6 warp charges tho

[grim bay]

Fun fact, if you hold SHIFT-W during heavy spam, it will just do the first swing only (for you axe users

[ruby merlin]

@compact cargo I mean I ignore warp charges lol, so the 6 charges does nothing for me.

It's kinda troll to care about charges on damnation IMO

[cobalt tartan]

i feel like for this perk to have value you have to bb grunts which seems like a waste of time

[ruby merlin]

you have much more important things to do.

[grim bay]

aka you can spam the cleave attack just press SHIFT-W fast to reset anim

[polar fractal]

dueling / force sword are more "in character" for my psyker lady. But i still need to find a proper dueling / MKV axe anyway lolol

[ivory patrol]

10% bb feels best

soulblaze one seems fun for a full burny build

[ruby merlin]

@cobalt tartan yeah exactly, any time you are bbing some random poxwalker, you're basically useless and relying on your team to carry.

[robust meteor]

soulblaze isn't terrible

[compact cargo]

If the class had a correct design warp charges would be very worth, 18% damage isn't worth

[ruby merlin]

@compact cargo The class works super well IMO

[scarlet lily]

warps are a blessing, but not a requirement

[ivory patrol]

it's actually incredibly easy to stay at max warp charges with the 4% coherence charges & 30 soulblaze perk

[ruby merlin]

peril block is god tier as a perk

[compact cargo]

Working well doesn't mean warp charged aren't poorly designed.

[scarlet lily]

15% cd on elite kill with cohesion tho..

[ruby merlin]

We're the ultimate melee class atm as a tank as far as I'm concerned. Makes us very good at clutching.

[scarlet lily]

perma vet ability basically if you have one in the group

[ivory patrol]

I run that with permades

premades*

[last sleet]

Quick question: on higher difficulty a psykers job is to use surge staff and just stun stuff, right? What stats do I want on the staff? Also what build goes with that?

[ivory patrol]

pugs don't know what coherency means

[scarlet lily]

[ruby merlin]

Vet has insane dps due to power swords, zealots are good at gapclosing ranged patrols, and ogryns are nice for melee cc.

[robust meteor]

TIL you get ordo for discarding

never discarded

[ruby merlin]

@last sleet Remember we are also the best melee tank

[ivory patrol]

lol repulsed I didn't know you got money for it so I didn't discard until level 20

[scarlet lily]

Thought you did get ordo for discording

Oh

[robust meteor]

i've only discarded the one thing just now

[ruby merlin]

@last sleet So on damnation we can carry pretty hard, just do what your team lacks.

[compact cargo]

Warp charge rework when, I should have to bother with the class core system fatshark not ignore it

[ruby merlin]

For instance if you have 3 ogryns, focus on bbing snipers and bombers. If your team has 3 vets, focus on tanking the horde and holding chokes + ccing if needed.

[scarlet lily]

it'd be nice if bb skill had no cd at a lower chance or something

[ruby merlin]

@compact cargo The core class system to be fair is peril

[ivory patrol]

do you mean faster charge or no peril gen

because it has no cooldown

[scarlet lily]

would make warp upkeep less gross

[ruby merlin]

and we can use that as a resource super effectively to carry

[compact cargo]

That's archtype

[ivory patrol]

also yes peril has always been the core mechanic of magic users in warhammer

[scarlet lily]

10% for bb ability has a 15s cd does it not?

[ivory patrol]

OH that one

I thought you meant actual bb

[last sleet]

Hm I just don't know how to build. Currently I'm focused on 6 stacks, blaze, force sword and infernus rifle.

[robust meteor]

bb should do a minor knockback at critical peril and also stack a damage debuff

[polar fractal]

Yes

[tacit tide]

whats a good way to get cliffhanger

[compact cargo]

18% changes nothing for our breakpoints in damnation either outside of crushers been 3 bbs

[scarlet lily]

thought so

[ruby merlin]

@last sleet Peril block is 100% the best perk we have, grab that, that's key

[compact cargo]

And voidstrike 3 shotting ragers*

[scarlet lily]

no cd 5% chance the dream

[ruby merlin]

then toughness on quell.

[scarlet lily]

it'd make our weapons SO cool

[ivory patrol]

on espionage during the last hold with 2 bridges

[ruby merlin]

become the ultimate melee tank, and the rest just pick what you feel like.

[ivory patrol]

there are only 2 places enemies can come from and you can easily group them with FS push

[robust meteor]

psyker needs something to be the best clutch last man standing

since we're in the back in the first place

[scarlet lily]

They can force push dogs off of people through walls

[ruby merlin]

@last sleet https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1665182358 watch this guy for damnation gameplay, you can kinda see how one playstyle works (and he plays very well).

[last sleet]

I love toughness on quell. A lot of people pick toughness on quell, but I'm like "you can quell in ANY situation, you can not always find a kill".

[ivory patrol]

also Neen that would be busted in a soulblaze build

since every tick ahs a chance to proc

[ruby merlin]

@robust meteor I mean we are the best last man standing class IMO

[polar fractal]

i still use the 10% to bb a target on any Attack feat tho, with a proper premade i would take the 15% CD reduction one (think they are on the same row iirc)

[scarlet lily]

5%

[ruby merlin]

peril block is insane, gives us an extra resource during clutch moments.

[robust meteor]

not ogryn?

[ivory patrol]

does peril block work while rezzing

[scarlet lily]

yes

[ivory patrol]

ogryn takes 25% less damage and isn't interrupted they are def the best last man standing

[ruby merlin]

@robust meteor not ogryn, because peril block is stronger IMO. And our dps is superior compared to ogryn.

[scarlet lily]

i like having a big guy or two

[ruby merlin]

Ogryn is the best support class IMO

they're very good at just covering the backline, helping allies regen toughness etc.

[magic hull]

I dont understand the stats sometimes but it does really well on head hits

[ruby merlin]

and mass cc if needed

[compact cargo]

Peril block unlike ogryn also blocks range on fs with the deflector trait

I should still have to bother with warp charges

[scarlet lily]

ogryn and psyker good duo

they can just shield up and push a line

then beat everything up

[hot ice]

picked up a duelling sword at the shop to test one out, but the Mark number doesnt really matter right

[ruby merlin]

@compact cargo I would rather we keep peril block as it stands and not have to worry about wc.

[ivory patrol]

I do need to try out peril block, I've been using ranged since shooters feel like my biggest threat when I'm dealing with hordes & such, though with Deflector on FS it's probably nuts

[robust meteor]

i always follow the ogryn

[ruby merlin]

@hot ice I've heard the mk v sword is the best.

But buy all of them and test them out lol

I haven't gone in depth on them yet.

[boreal crystal]

if you are last man standing, taking 25% less damage doesn't matter haha

[polar fractal]

ogryn and psyker both really fun to play, the chars i got Level 30

[robust meteor]

75% less damage is massive my guy

[ruby merlin]

@ivory patrol you can LoS ranged and fight at a choke with the antax axe, all the ranged comes to you 😛

and then they become melee

[scarlet lily]

I think psyker is more overall utility, but ogryn is qol

[ruby merlin]

easy way to clutch, gotta find a choke and hold it for as long as you can.

[ivory patrol]

yeah not every area has a choke to draw them in

[boreal crystal]

did i say 25% less or 75% less

[ivory patrol]

and pugs don't hide to draw in ranged

[polar fractal]

Started leveling Veteran and so far it doesn't really click. Only Level 7 am though, so hopefully it gets better lul

[robust meteor]

its 25% per downed teamate

[ruby merlin]

@ivory patrol Most of the time you can find one, pull way back if you need to.

[compact cargo]

Not having to worry about a part of our class lowers the skill celing which is boring tbh, having wc be worth bothering to maintain rather than "hey bit more damage and peril efficiency"

[ivory patrol]

yeah that's just it @ruby merlin pugs don't pull way back

they hold w no stop cyka blyat

[ruby merlin]

@ivory patrol I assume they all died, so you just solo carry them.

[boreal crystal]

yeah 75% is pretty good

[ruby merlin]

After that, they stick to you like glue lol.

[scarlet lily]

I just like the idea of being able to do warp management builds

[ivory patrol]

hahaha

[scarlet lily]

and also ramping warp charge builds

[ivory patrol]

true

[ruby merlin]

Best way to improve group coordination is to just clutch for them.

[boreal crystal]

25% is not, because yuo either know how to play in that situation and aren't soaking a bunch of HP damage or you die with or without a 25% barrier

[scarlet lily]

rather than, well.. warp charges are a pain to build cause X mows dow Y or la elevator

[compact cargo]

We really need different builds for psyker now that I think about it

[ivory patrol]

I don't worry about building charges with BB

I just use the coherency chance & 10% bb it's enough

[scarlet lily]

We have options but some changes could make it better

[ivory patrol]

I usually have 2-3 charges

[compact cargo]

Exactly the issue, we don't have to worry about wc manegement

[robust meteor]

when doing the bb challenges (bb spec) it seems to be somewhat impactful honestly

[tight saddle]

I keep getting orange Lasguns and Autoguns and no Staffs at all to upgrade.

[robust meteor]

its just some situations is completely useless

[ruby merlin]

At least we do kinda have multiple builds. Force sword + horde clear staff, axe or dueling sword + surge staff, or even rapid fire lasgun + force sword. It all works on damnation.

[scarlet lily]

Yeah, we make it work with our abilities

[compact cargo]

Just not DoT

[ivory patrol]

wym no dot

[ruby merlin]

We do have build diversity, which is nice

[ivory patrol]

FULL SOULBLAZE BABY

[scarlet lily]

But our traits are just capped in weird ways

[ruby merlin]

And there's combat dagger builds that work too

I haven't tried those personally though

[ivory patrol]

psyker still feels better than wizard in vermintide

even with the limitations

[compact cargo]

soulblaze

[ivory patrol]

mostly because quelling doesn't literally kill you

[robust meteor]

wizard can carry, psyker not so much

[ruby merlin]

Ogryn is the most pigeonholed class IMO, are you trolling without a shield? I'm not 100% on that, but it feels like it IMO.

[burnt python]

cleaver tho

[scarlet lily]

If we had power sword cleave on the force sword special..

[polar fractal]

Horde clear staff? You mean the flamethrower or voidstrike?

[robust meteor]

i would like that more than single target

[sharp obsidian]

Psyker can carry plenty, every class can

[ivory patrol]

I do think an alternate force sword with a cleave warp charge would be incredible

[robust meteor]

okay but not the same way a competent sharpshooter or zealot can

[compact cargo]

Veteran carries better

[ivory patrol]

not to shit talk other classes but is zealot the ez mode class

[scarlet lily]

If it just buffed the attack type as well...

[robust meteor]

a good veteran enters the game, makes bb even MORE useless

[polar fractal]

Ogryn with shield is much more convenient when playing with pugs in my experience (had Like 80 hours on ogryn during Preorder Close Beta kek)

[ivory patrol]

you literally have a free "don't die" every 90s and free extra damage

[scarlet lily]

They can do it "easier"

[burnt python]

nah thats v et if you can aim

[scarlet lily]

Which isn't that big of a deal

[sharp obsidian]

BB isn't useless, even on higher difficulties, just because of the stagger

[scarlet lily]

Just make psyker stuff a bit cooler too

[ivory patrol]

vet does make me feel worthless when they mark & oneshot every elite before I finish charging a single BB

[robust meteor]

i would get a quicker stagger with surge

[shut thorn]

Power sword was stolen from psyker, just a reminder

[compact cargo]

Even if our overview says we are elite clear, our bb is for specials...not elites

[ivory patrol]

at least I can stun the bulwark

power swords were never a psyker weapon wym

[scarlet lily]

BB is good for taking out gunner stacks or snipers in heresy/damn cause sometimes its a literal wall of fire

[shut thorn]

We will prob get an equiv going off of insignia

[robust meteor]

it is good for snipers but i'll leave that to a vet unless i'm getting wiped

[scarlet lily]

Channel bb, sprint slide and just look at the sniper

[robust meteor]

a vet will make a sniper prio

[shut thorn]

Psyker originally had power sword pre cb

[robust meteor]

dead before i channel

[ivory patrol]

a good vet*

[scarlet lily]

Dodge la shot

[robust meteor]

i cover the vet while he does his job

[ivory patrol]

@shut thorn good change imo psykers have always used force weapons not power

lorewise that is

mechanically it would be nice to have an alternate melee

[scarlet lily]

I'm playing a different game I think

[shut thorn]

Ya, I'm saying we will probably get an equiv later

Due insignia leak

[ivory patrol]

yeah I don't see fatshark leaving us with just that when other classes have multiple signature weapons

[shut thorn]

Which had a force greatsword

[ivory patrol]

👀

[sharp obsidian]

Dueling Sword my beloved

[fading yew]

What are your favorite melee weapons? Duelling sword seems nice because it makes Battle Meditation procs come faster.

[silk violet]

What level do u unlock the flamer staff?

[ivory patrol]

12?

I think it was the 2nd one I got

[fading yew]

14 I think for flamer staff.

You can buy them earlier, though.

[shut thorn]

There's also an unidentified two hander in psyker trailer

[shut thorn]

Possibly a daemonsword or bigger norm

[elfin crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[ivory patrol]

are we thinking fatshark will give us alternate subclasses eventually a la vermintide 2

[robust meteor]

its the god warp nexus too

[ivory patrol]

would be interesting to see what other psyker types they would implement

[snow dust]

I'm confused, what does the force sword's block --> push attack shield thing do? .-.

[elfin crystal]

i think they said they would?

[tired tinsel]

yeah i was wondering about that too

[novel badge]

blocks bullets

[ivory patrol]

stagger & knockdown

[robust meteor]

its only a push, no attack

[fading yew]

Does Quietude only activate when quelling using the reload button, or does it trigger on passive Peril loss from holding a non-warp weapon as well?

[elfin crystal]

no i meant for the extra psyker classes

[sharp obsidian]

Passive works too

[fading yew]

That's pretty good.

[shut thorn]

Deflection blessing

[cyan echo]

become The One

[timber shale]

it triggers on any source of quelling: holding R, using your ability, just waiting, etc

[last sleet]

Why can I sometimes see peoples hearts?

[worthy wasp]

The prob I'm running into is that hardly any of the passives synergize at all whatsoever with my playstyle

[fading yew]

What's your playstyle?

[ivory patrol]

it's just a in-lore way you can see allies thru walls

[wet jacinth]

[worthy wasp]

I run Antax Mk V, Surge Staff.

But I dont like just spamming secondary attacks with Surge Staff.

I tend to pick off stuff from range using BB before swapping to Antax MK V and swap to the Surge Staff to CC Ogryn / Mass Gunners.

BB also still 1 shots a lot of specials so while fighting hordes I pay close attention to specials that get tagged and stop what I'm doing to BB em

[sour tiger]

what does the right click of blaze force sword do?

[ivory patrol]

just watched it, idk about a daemonsword looks imperium-made

perhaps just an alternate force sword option

[wet jacinth]

Block

[ivory patrol]

and the only known daemon weapon currently held by the Imperium is in the possession of the Grey Knights, no? nvm Grimnar has one too

[fading yew]

Do force swords actually block, though?

[worthy wasp]

Antax MkV seems to absolutely mow through everything with the exception of Ogryn, but Surge Staff complete shuts down Ogryn... hence the Surge to complement it

[ivory patrol]

wym ofc they do lo

why wouldn't they block

[wet gust]

I fell too far away

[ivory patrol]

lmao

[shut thorn]

Ur misinterpreting, daemonsword as in pre dark age force sword

Its prob not tho

Though we do have thunderhammers so who knows

[ivory patrol]

oh I had never heard of that term other than to describe possessed daemon-weapons

and I cannot find any reference to them online, are they a 30k thing?

since pre-dark age

[carmine raptor]

I just tanked a few damnation missions with a force sword and the deflection blessing

[shut thorn]

I might be misrembering the name but iirc thats what pre dark age force weps are called

[carmine raptor]

They block reeeeeally well*

[carmine raptor]

That's some really cool lore, ty

[shut thorn]

This

Psyker is #2 tank

[ivory patrol]

Deflector feels so nice

turns your sword into an ogryn shield

[carmine raptor]

Having your team move up behind you while gunning down enemy shooters was really cool

[shut thorn]

A psyker w a good fs can walk into middle of a horde and rez wo worry

[ivory patrol]

I'm seeing some Nemesis Force Weapons that are usually wielded by the Grey Knights but the Ordo Malleus has been known to adapt Thunder Hammers into them

[carmine raptor]

Can you block while resing? Never even thought to try.

[shut thorn]

Yes it autoblocks if u have melee out

[ivory patrol]

you are always blocking

with staff as well

[carmine raptor]

Huh. Never knew

[ivory patrol]

that's the only reason some staves have +stam lol

[wet gust]

I'm trying now the lightning staff and I feel like I'm doing nothing. What I have to do with that staff in particular?

[ivory patrol]

Surge is great for locking down a small group

[carmine raptor]

It doesn't do great damage unless against heavily armored targets, the CC is what it's good for

And don't bother charging it, just do rapid small shocks.

[ivory patrol]

it's good vs ragers/maulers/ogryns

and most scabs

[wet gust]

noted, thanks

[fading yew]

What kind of secondary do you run with forcesword?

[shut thorn]

Cc

[carmine raptor]

I've been using purgatus, had 2 vets and a zealot

[shut thorn]

Surge or void

Dont like purg since i play w a vet