psyker-class

[deft heart]

well brainburst is practically useless on damnation lol, like almost never use it except on bosses... even on one tap mobs, why charge for 3 seconds when the vet can kill it in one snap shot

[bronze sierra]

but we are REALLY more geared towards CC

[ruby merlin]

@gray kelp It's a CC weapon mostly

[ornate hamlet]

its just people being zealots for nerfs cause they cant find a weapon theyre happy with. Ive always been antinerf. It seems stupid to complain about something a class has. Power swords in lore are heavy hitters. This should be no surprise its the golden child. People just like ruining fun for the sense of "balance" god forbid psykers agree with nerfing peril block and passive toughness then it would be outcry

[ruby merlin]

you use heavies to cc with the hammer, and it's decent at that job

Gameplay >>> lore

[gray kelp]

yeah I know, I just play it like vermentide 2h hammer. its alright for that purpose

[deft heart]

meh, just play bleed dagger with zealot

[ornate hamlet]

Gameplay with powerful weapons makes it fun.

[ruby merlin]

hence I want my drukhari wych with shade abilities please

[devout belfry]

I use it like the bardin great hammer that carried me through Cata.

[hot ice]

its good for staggering heavily armoured elites and picking off/damaging specials that run away

[midnight violet]

yes. as diffculty ramps. psykers are aoe cc, vets are the killers. bb is a joke.

[candid temple]

I hate 'weird' weapon stuff, that require you to remember different combos.

[bronze sierra]

@ornate hamlet id be down for a bit of that nerf cause it is a bit BUSTED

[ornate hamlet]

I wouldn't CC control is already limited by seconds. Those seconds to set it up put you in a bad spot. The power sword is a burst dps.

[hot ice]

you cannot tell me that BB making a bulwark drop their shield isnt useful

[ruby merlin]

If we go by lore, thunderhammer should hold charge for minutes, and the charge should be aoe. But that woudl suck f or diversity.

[errant nimbus]

Get better at using BB I guess. I only had that problem with vets when I started. Now I have no problem BBing enemies before vets can plasma them

[devout belfry]

Brain burst is useless when manually cast. But having 4 stacks let's you hit breakpoints and you can easily get them passively. Sucks not having a class grenade.

[deft heart]

you can do that with lightning staff though

[candid temple]

you use BB?

[maiden venture]

Has Fatshark said anything about buffing BB? I'd like to be the Elite killer, but right now my level 7 Vet seems to do that better than my level 30 Psyker.

[hot ice]

what if you're not running that staff

[candid temple]

to be fair, you might run void

[errant nimbus]

I mean it deletes. Especially with kinetic barrage

[icy harbor]

Is the charged flamethrower staff attack counted as a Warp Attack?

[devout belfry]

BB holds up until difficulty 4. Then it stops one shotting anything.

[devout belfry]

Yes.

[candid temple]

if it scaled at higher difficulty 😂

[errant nimbus]

Then do two shots?

[midnight violet]

this. the other classes especially psyker needs some reworking. vet is the one class that has a good balance, everyone else is shit. thats not vets fault, thats the game.

[candid temple]

but setup is still too long

[ruby merlin]

Either way, it makes sense that zealots are mad that vets have more toughness than them, and have the better melee weapon in the power sword as well.

[errant nimbus]

That's what I do

[candid temple]

would rather shoot staff twice

[ruby merlin]

Zealots should be the best melee dps IMO.

[deft heart]

it still one shots gunners, bombers, shotgunners, snipers and trappers

[devout belfry]

The brain burst dps is very low as soon as it has to be cast twice. It's all about breakpoints.

[cyan echo]

TFW everyone keeps calling you useless

[ornate hamlet]

psyker with infinite brain dead toughness. Also people here: waaaah powersword powerful

[candid temple]

actually no, I want every class to have more talent options that can turn them into any sub-type.

[mild iron]

axe enjoyers, is this worth getting?

[devout belfry]

Especially since we only got 4 classes lol

[hot ice]

i dont have an issue with it being powerful, the issue is that it outshines every other melee weapon a vet has

[ruby merlin]

I mean right now vet is the best ranged and melee dps

psyker is best cc

[long wharf]

ugh, trying to get the 5 elites/specials in 12s on heresy is harder than I thought it was going to be

[midnight violet]

that works when theres severel elites on screen and you need to bb one 3 times plus while the vet pummels the other 3 in the same amount of time.

[candid temple]

Tank Veteran with tower shield.
DPS Ogryn with twinlinked heavy lasguns.

[ruby merlin]

ogryn is best backline support for aura regen and ranged gapcloser

[candid temple]

dps psyker with fire or something.

[ruby merlin]

and zealot is kinda cc with flamer? and kind ranged gap closer.

[acoustic spade]

After getting to finally try the powersword myself, it doesnt feel as good to use as an eviscerator. Could just be the roll of the weapon I got (and the fact that my Vet is still like lv14

[ornate hamlet]

tbh it doesnt. Powersword puts you either in a good spot or bad. If you get hit by a horde youre screwed if you cant get your secondary up and running.

[bronze sierra]

id love to see the psyker get a bunch of talent trees for different disciplines @devout belfry and then turn into a bunch of status effect applier

[errant nimbus]

I don't know what to say man, just doesn't happen to me that way

[bronze sierra]

like biomancy slows them

[icy harbor]

imo no, only 331 for the weapon itself

[deft heart]

it's really hard, i did every other penance in beta before the nerf and that one took me forever... i did get it yesterday in a group with 3 other psykers and we all got it

[candid temple]

why don't you push to great space ? 🤔

[ruby merlin]

@acoustic spade I dislike evis on damnation, the hammer cc is more valuable IMO.

[ornate hamlet]

Dude eviscerator is so nutty.

[bronze sierra]

or, heals via succing the enemies

[ruby merlin]

But I run the axe on zealot mostly XD

[long wharf]

wait, you all got it? all at once, or each of you did it individually throughout the run?

[candid temple]

The biggest crime is no dual weapons.

[bronze sierra]

but would lock you in place while it happened

[devout belfry]

I'm just worried that they'll make a psyker pyro or some shit and I'll have to level it up completely separately or something stupid. The fact I have the same damn weapons other classes use and can't transfer them is insane.

[hot ice]

it 100% does

run literally any other melee weapon he has and you will see an instant change in how you perform in melee

[deft heart]

honestly best weapon for zealot seems to be dagger with dual bleed perk

[ornate hamlet]

ever get spawned on from behind? no? didnt think so. this game likes to spawn stuff behind you.

[bronze sierra]

i agree

[candid temple]

uhhh

[ruby merlin]

@candid temple I want a duel wielding dark eldar wych for my shade clone class lol

[candid temple]

yes.

[bronze sierra]

or even the curios

[devout belfry]

Dagger is hard to beat. I still enjoy the hammer but the crit charge build is just for when I've been drinking.

[subtle linden]

i cant trust these spawns especially as a psyker who has the lowest toughness and hp of all 4 classes so im always checking behind me every other cast of surge

[acoustic spade]

Yes, the combat knife I'm currently running on my vet feels much better at horde control than the powersword

[candid temple]

that's normal for any vermintide player tho

[ornate hamlet]

I have and spent alot of hours on veteran using a chain sword. I didnt like powersword because it was a risk and benefit. Chain sword kept me going on sprees. Power sword is just being dramatized as powerful. Wait till you find out about bleed daggers. youd lose your mind

[bronze sierra]

just get 250 hp @subtle linden

[mild iron]

good point thanks

[candid temple]

I guess for new people, they don't assume there's 1 basic rat dreg behind you with a spear axe.

[ruby merlin]

@ornate hamlet bleed was bugged, it'll be fixed soon

[hot ice]

ill have to get the london special one day then

[devout belfry]

London special?

[deft heart]

it was bugged and they fixed some stuff but its still bugged and insanely op

[tender cipher]

All this heresy we all know that bolt gun and power sword is the top tier of tiers of top

[ruby merlin]

XD

Well they'll fix it eventually

[hot ice]

bleed dagger

oop wrong person

[midnight violet]

i only use bb if i cant get up to use FS charge up. always kills faster. i'll do a bb on my way maybe sometimes, but fs just seems to do it

[tender cipher]

Bleed dagger is so damn stupid

[hot ice]

@devout belfry

[devout belfry]

What does that have to do with London?

[tender cipher]

So are infernus perk weapons

[errant nimbus]

I mean, agreed if I can close the gap, I forcesword as well. Melee psyker is just so good.

[ornate hamlet]

london streets and stabbins

[devout belfry]

Ya silly

[deft heart]

i think force sword kinda sucks in melee, the moveset is not great for horde clear... its just good for deflector

[devout belfry]

Well I gotta go shopping. Then it's time for grinding materials!

[ornate hamlet]

get a load of this guy.

[devout belfry]

Works for me. What issue are you having? Cancel after the first two attacks.

[hot ice]

hoarding my mats until they fully release the crafting menu

[tender cipher]

That’s why weapon swapping barely takes any time for psyker but light > light > heavy seems to work or something

[errant nimbus]

It's single target damage, not cleaving. So yeah it takes some extra swings on hordes but the block on the forcesword is unreal.

[devout belfry]

The fs push is also amazing.

Look at the stagger value for the push attack too lol

[hot ice]

its light > heavy > block cancel > repeat, i think for horde clear on force sword

[deft heart]

im not having any issues, it just doesn't compare to other weapons for horde clear which is what you're using melee for 90% of the time in damnation... it's just the best defensive/utility weapon with push, block and deflector

[errant nimbus]

Yeah I sometimes just push ragers repeatedly into walls for fun until someone comes over to finish them off.

[midnight violet]

the moveset does suck, but ive had maybe comments about what happens to elietes when a charged hit connects. its a single target nuke, its basically melee BB but better.

[devout belfry]

I mean the horde isn't the threat. It's what's in the horde tbh.

[ornate hamlet]

the grabs... the grabs red. it feels so good. You slash slash slash, grab them and continue slashing. push if youre being pinned repeat. Force sword rewards dancing and using its set.

[candid temple]

I delete ragers with special

[deft heart]

yeah so you melee horde then switch to lightning when specials come and stun

[spark forum]

refinery d elta still bugged?

[devout belfry]

It also makes me feel like a psyker.

Which is why I picked the fucking class.

[acoustic spade]

I wish my Force Sword would even oneshot ragers with the charged hit

[devout belfry]

And we get ONE force melee weapon?

🤷🏻‍♀️

[hot ice]

btw, what do you all run on the lvl30 talent?

[devout belfry]

Bottom one. Everyone wants to keep their stacks.

[long wharf]

what grabs?

[devout belfry]

The closed hand psyker push.

Looks gropey

[long wharf]

ah okay

[ornate hamlet]

^

[long wharf]

I mean, I guess?

[ornate hamlet]

brother the grab is powerful

[hot ice]

ah, i run the middle one because when i need to ult im usually in the middle of a horde so ill get back my stacks quick anyway

[long wharf]

I just call it the force sword push

[ornate hamlet]

theres no push tho on that part only a grab

the push comes when you follow it through

[devout belfry]

I just like to know how many hits kills what. And the breakpoint from 4 stacks is very potent.

Nothing worse than something being alive that should be dead.

[ornate hamlet]

welp fellow psykers im going to sleep got work in 4 hours. peaceroni

[hot ice]

lmao same, gn

[shadow quail]

lol I haven't got a force sword in store since monday

[tender cipher]

Thanks!

[midnight violet]

i guess weapon build helps maybe? i dunno, ive always found it devestating. one hit is sometimes not enough, but i always get a grin if the first one didnt kill, cos i know whats about to happen with the second. .

[devout belfry]

Buy yourself a trauma stave to talk to.

[spark forum]

is hp better vs toughness for psyker?

[deft heart]

for pick n mix try to find a low intensity 4, chasm station seems to work best, go with a group and kill everything except for gunners and shotgunners, if lucky you will get 5... otherwise you can wait for a bomber/trapper or other 1-shot special to spawn, then have the pskyer trying to get the achievement BB them all... having an ogryn helps a lot cause he can just sit there with the shield

[tender cipher]

HP so you can explode more

I would rather mix wounds and stamina before I bother with toughness

[cyan echo]

Wounds all the way baby

[devout belfry]

Toughness. It's all about percentages and it's easier to get more toughness. There are exceptions though.

[echo parrot]

Is our class good yet?

[devout belfry]

But wounds and stamina is the right idea.

[bold maple]

no

[echo parrot]

Damn

[bold maple]

come back in a week

[shadow quail]

year*

[honest geyser]

Week is too optimistic

[shadow quail]

Year is optimistic

[frail shuttle]

month year decade

[hot ice]

waiting for the beam staff equivalent so we get a wiggle-psyker class soon

[devout belfry]

I just want to teleport.

[tender cipher]

Our class is fine.

[icy harbor]

somebody got some recommendations for a CC psyker build with funny lightning staff

[frail shuttle]

I want a staff that has a rapid brain burst

[deft heart]

i think having 1 pskyer is awesome in damnation but yea we are basically just lightning CC bots for ranged and specials with some defensive utility with deflector

[river sand]

buuuuh they nerfed kinetic deflect ......

[devout belfry]

?

[river sand]

builds way more peril now

[shadow quail]

lol

[river sand]

before the patch i could tank a demon host all day long

[devout belfry]

Block cost reduction and peril resistance. Juicy.

[river sand]

thats over now 😭

[devout belfry]

Just having block cost reduction on a weapon ability is nice.

[honest geyser]

feels like the people in charge of balance are vet mains

[bold maple]

nah

they dont even play the game you mean

[honest geyser]

that's probably more accurate

[celest hedge]

That has me thinking, I guess the peril resistance on a sword would effect deflector blocks?

[weak galleon]

no, not really, they just didn't get their hands on vet yet.
And knowing the history of overnerfs, I'd rather have them buff other classes instead

[devout belfry]

Space Marine class in February. Can't die, other classes have to kneel before them, forced ultra marine colors, can't play without one in your party.

[celest hedge]

I never use them much and just barely got to deflector

[devout belfry]

It's still amazing.

[weak galleon]

I don't see anything related to it in patchnotes.

[devout belfry]

Alright. Don't forget your twitch drops! I gotta go. Stay safe brothers and sisters. Your mind is your fortress.

[hot ice]

stealth nerf?

[honest geyser]

balanced by Matt Ward himself?

[vale plume]

You dont see alot of changes in patch notes

[celest hedge]

People have said that about a few things being needed despite not being in the notes

[devout belfry]

The fatshark way. Maybe that one liner about logarithmic, linear, exponential ROFL

[shadow quail]

They nerfed the flame and it wasnt in the notes, right

[hot ice]

[celest hedge]

Level 20 kind of just feels like a dead tier for psyker anyway, I don’t worry enough about losing stamina for deflector to appeal to me; I don’t need no slowdown with quelling because a staff has minimum slowdown with extra fast quell already, so the range reduction which is only just alright looking is the only worthwhile perk

[tender cipher]

Not really. With two psykers you reach the point where you have enough AoE damage to clear almost everything at any given range leaving your other two to take care of the heavier options.

Or if you have two psykers with lightning staves you can just run as a melee deathball with the two others as fast as possible.

[midnight violet]

all the psyker feats are dead feats. they are geared for a psyker that doesnt exist.

theyre useful for teier 1 aND 2 GAMES, THATS ABOUT IT.

[dense falcon]

prolly they are not going to rework it

[midnight violet]

sorry caps

[celest hedge]

Everything but tier 4 I think has great options, and the removal of warp charges for makes most of the tier 6 perks have anti synergy

[dense falcon]

Zealot, melee specialist, Ogryn, tank and control, Veteran ranged specialist

what is the purpose of the psyker?

[untold kestrel]

cc

[candid temple]

cc

[dense falcon]

istn ogryn doing that?

[untold kestrel]

spam void or surge and lock shit down

and can still bb when necessary on 1 shot targets

[tender cipher]

AoE damage and control, and specialized high damage on targets.

[candid temple]

The power of the surge staff...

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[untold kestrel]

maybe 2 shots but most of the time just staff ogryn elites

[fresh reef]

worth upgrading or nah?

[midnight violet]

anything you like as long as you cc.

[celest hedge]

psyker is suppose to be special sniping with brain burst, with staves letting them lean more into CC or even better special killing depending on what you use

[hot ice]

BB stops one shotting stuff past malice

at least for some specials

[midnight violet]

supposed to,,,

[candid temple]

BB is too slow

🚮

• doesn't one-shot at higher difficulty.

[misty mist]

Damage is better than any of mine and it has deflect, I'd say upgrade

[honest geyser]

320 is low for stats

[candid temple]

• clunky af to use

[tender cipher]

BB is a finisher or an opener or contextual damage.

[hot ice]

BB is still very useful tho

[candid temple]

ehhhhhhhh

[fresh reef]

current fs for comparison

[candid temple]

I literally never use it.

Maybe once or twice per game.

and 90% of the time I could've left clicked with surge instead

[celest hedge]

do you only play on damnation or something

[hot ice]

what difficulty

[shrewd plinth]

same damage, same rate of doing them, but just faster to get out and it's way less useless. not a crutch or op, but way less of something you should largely ignore.

[midnight violet]

bb is just for when you might as well. rest of the time psyker is aoe cc and if you manage to kill while doing that, bonus, but if your team aint capitilising on what psyker is doing its worthless.

[summer prairie]

BB is situationally useful on all difficulties

[hot ice]

^

[honest geyser]

staff blessings seem kinda meh. Any fun ones stick out?

[paper trail]

the trauma staff actually has some incredible gibbing

[loud saffron]

No interrupt on charge up

[paper trail]

blows their arms and legs clean off

[hot ice]

BB is great on fleeing specials to finish them off

[honest geyser]

I've not been lucky enough to see that one

[hot ice]

especially if you get that lock before they hide

[celest hedge]

even if BB's damage starts to fall off, lacerations helps brings it up with supporting the team, and even if it takes time to kill, you don't have to worry about ammo and it's still decently reliable way to do damage from range

[tropic halo]

no interupt and charge up percent increase are the gold blessings for staff

[paper trail]

I actually feel like there are too many good blessings on staff to pick ones

[celest hedge]

terrifying barrage I think is good on most staves since alot are pretty close ranged

[midnight violet]

that is one thing i like about bb, get that lock before the hound runs off and wait for that red crosshiar to pop.

[hot ice]

fact

[rough oasis]

I was unawares I could yeet an extra surge at 100% peril if I popped ability before I explode

[hot ice]

always great to dash the hopes of any special thinking they can slink away to harass us later

[celest hedge]

being able to peak out of cover, lock on with BB, and than get back into cover helps BB just be a safe way to deal damage

[burnt python]

worth it?

garbo blessing & cleave rating

[paper trail]

you can just precharge bb and hit it then do the 2nd and walk back

[summer prairie]

limbsplitter is pretty good actually for push attack

they aren't chained

[burnt python]

oh interesting

[celest hedge]

i don't get the appeal of limbsplitter, especially for a weapon already made to nearly 1 shot anything in the first hit

[hot ice]

i honestly rarely precharge my BB

[burnt python]

so you can break "chains" w/ it

[celest hedge]

precharging BB is too expensive to be worth it unless you have a ton of charges with tranquality or I guess mayve the level 30 talent, it's really just for when you hear a burster or hound but can't see one

[hot ice]

in the time im precharging im doing stuff with my staff

so no point for me

[hot ice]

this

i precharge when its quiet except for a special i can hear is about to show up

[tender cipher]

I pre charge both staff and BB depending on situation

[paper trail]

we are specifically speaking of poking around walls and running back to take out a mob without LoS

[tender cipher]

Also I have +3 wounds I plan on trolling my team with explosions

[paper trail]

not just precharging it all the time

[near wyvern]

Limb spitter is garbage for psyker. The only single target weapon you want to use is the force sword as it has decent cleave.

Other choices are a mobility weapon or a cleave.

Single targets are not an issue for psyker.

[devout belfry]

You have become the trauma staff.

[hot ice]

thing is, if i have time to precharge my BB and not be pre-occupied using my staff for CC, the veteran is alert to instantly pop whatever im precharging for anyway

[devout belfry]

Gotta get that penance Mr explodey.

[celest hedge]

tranqulity I think is just the best choice in tier 2 in general, 3 meters of an elite target is very short and 2 soul braze is kind of nothing, and psyker's wrath seems nice for one of your few ways of getting extra damage but with my flamethrower, I'd rather just keep it burning for as long as possible, especially since my teammates are going to be chopping through the horde and I do enough to soften them up

[tender cipher]

Single target is a relative issue.

[devout belfry]

Also why does holding the charge take so much fucking peril?!

[midnight violet]

i find the issue is that only works when your team is already wrecking. if youre safe enough to play like that, you dont need to be doing it. I always find that in situations when i COULD do that, id pro bably be more helpful if a leroy jenkiuns with my forcesword and go back to back with the zealot.

[tender cipher]

[celest hedge]

not needing to quell peril as much means you can maintain damage more often

[summer prairie]

pretty sure first attack doesn't mean things you cleave take less damage

[crude garnet]

what talents do you reckon for surge staff?

[burnt python]

single targets are absolutely psykers biggest problem at high difficulties

[hot ice]

its more that i trust my vet friend to pop specials while i know my role to CC stuff

[celest hedge]

the combat axe just feels like trash to use in general, even if one shotting commons is nice

[burnt python]

I have been running, and enjoying, the mk V dueling sword but gonna give the axe a shot

[worthy wasp]

Force Sword doesnt struggle with single targets tho

[celest hedge]

it's just so goddamn slow, I'd much rather use a chainweapon in that case

[hot epoch]

The painthrower staff is fun, i wont have slander against it

[paper trail]

thats great specifically if you are playing with a vet friend and not in some group with like 2 shield ogryns and 2 psykers like I often find on pugs lol

[left hare]

oh my lord surge staff is so good

[umbral jungle]

Currently in Spain without the S to complete Psyk penance ...

[hot ice]

flame staff love

[burnt python]

It's def the best for single target, but it sacrifices everything else. Hoping axe can be a nice middle ground

[tender cipher]

I trust my veteran to karkin kill the random ranged mobs and focus on the heavy targets like reapers after they’ve been interrupted or any other ogryn after they’ve been opened up

[left hare]

surge staff is the best staff 🧠

can clutch so hard

with this staff

[hot epoch]

Flame staff? Aka painthrower

[burnt python]

mk V axe doesn't feel slow to me at all, push attack in particular comes out fast and wrecks

heavies are nearly as quick as dueling sword

[left hare]

which 30 do u guys go for

[devout belfry]

Can't believe none of the rapiers have a headshot push.

[left hare]

CD looks good

[hot epoch]

Headpop speed

[celest hedge]

even with zealot's 10/20% base swing speed bonus depending on feats, it feels so slow to use

[hot ice]

fair, my friend runs the lasgun so hes really good at taking out groups of ranged/special threats quickly

[left hare]

is headpop speed that good?

[summer prairie]

the mkv axe is just for the push attack spam

[devout belfry]

It's more about keeping your stacks.

[tender cipher]

Yes.

[shadow quail]

its just the only one that doesnt burn your stacks

[celest hedge]

the tactical axe kind of already have that perfect mix of swing speed to damage, especially since the swings are perfect for headshots

[wise pecan]

I’d say if you’re running a flamethrower build go for the soulfire one, otherwise go for the one that reduced BB time/peril

[tender terrace]

the other two options literally wipe a 24% damage buff when you use your ult, so... yeah

[left hare]

so we choose headpop speed because the rest suck 🧠

[devout belfry]

And surge just feeeeeeels nice.

[hot ice]

surge is great but i fucking love the flame staff

[pearl thicket]

it’s hitbox has to be fucked or something, I headshot ogryns aiming at their asshole

[hot ice]

burning heretics in holy fire gets me going

[left hare]

my friend upon seeing me try purgatos

[midnight violet]

you know i love, that theres so many ways that ppl like to play psyker and for now they all work. once we all get builds for heresy and damnation, then the metas will become clear, but right now im loving that everyone plays their way and it works anyway.

[left hare]

I want that

if it's like vermintide 2 u can just win no matter what build

Remember lingering flames bright wizard 🧠

[pearl thicket]

that was never meta :)

[hot ice]

now that im thinking about it, do you guys think darktide is harder than vermintide 2?

[celest hedge]

barrage helps BB DPS alot but I don't think it does it by enough for higher difficulties. On lower, you can combo it with the cooldown reduction talent at 15 and have another method of maintaining high charges and dealing damage

[left hare]

darktide is harder because u cannot solo carry

[hot ice]

or is it too early to say

[wise pecan]

24%? 3x6 =/= 24…

[hot ice]

oh yeah ive felt this

depends on whos solo

[midnight violet]

solid yes

[pearl thicket]

veteran can solo carry just by shooting the ranged mfs

[hot ice]

but its definitely more of an uphill battle

[left hare]

u can carry but u cant really clutch super hard like in vtide

[burnt python]

kiting changes & toughness in place of thp make clutches much harder, still possible just harder

[left hare]

Ranged enemies is the hardest part of this game tbh

[tender cipher]

The point for faster BB is to open up a target or finish off a target. You don’t really care about overall DPS to be honest.

[left hare]

Simply equip surge staff and now ur opening up many targets

[hot ice]

its not gonna change even if your skill goes up imo, ranged enemies are still gonna kick your ass if they group up enough

[formal ether]

and getting all your stacks back from soulfire kills is great

[left hare]

then u blow up cos ult on cd

[near wyvern]

Only if Soulblaze actually did some damage tho

[tender terrace]

yeah that mb

[tepid nest]

I still don't get the love for the dueling sword unless it's lower difficulties. What am I missing?

[burnt python]

i run mk V in particular on damnation, incredible mobility & very very strong heavies

[left hare]

its rapier from vtide2

[hot ice]

there are times when i physically cannot get to cover due to the force of projectiles knocking me back

[left hare]

fast, dodgy, blocky

very defensive weapon

good cleave

[celest hedge]

plus good headshot weapon

[left hare]

yes

its the rapier stab

[burnt python]

spamming lights is basically risk free vs hordes too, great cleave and stagger

[left hare]

U just aim slightly above the head

[tepid nest]

I will consider all this and give it more time :). Back to work though for now

[shadow quail]

Getting really annoyed with this store to get weapons lol

[tepid nest]

Thanks

[near wyvern]

You can move extremely fast with it. The dodges are fast and long and the attack speed is fast allowing you to quickly switch into it and get yourself out of trouble.

[celest hedge]

you don't have the chance to instant kill on headshot passive like witch hunter but it's still nice without it

[left hare]

remember billhook WHC

[hot ice]

ikr, before darktide i thought those archers in v2 were cancer

[burnt python]

billhook was such a dope weapon

[hot ice]

nothing prepared me for 2+ reapers and a few firing squads worth of ranged units hahahaha

[burnt python]

special attack spam into a chaos patrol

[left hare]

with WHC u were fishing for crits and perma staggering elites

It was dumb

[formal ether]

True, i think it needs an increase, but lighting up an entire horde will result in kills

[left hare]

BW mains when they see psyker

[hot ice]

kruber main

[left hare]

Time to play

[hot ice]

mercenary love

[midnight violet]

we dont know the game yet and everything feels different. alot of ppl have graphicsd and framerates that arent they are used to, this is one of the most cpu intensive games to come out since...vermintide 2(i joke i joke...but not really). everyones still learning the flow, the feel, the enemies, the weapons, everytime you think you got it, you dont. ppl are still doing fucvking amazing then getting wrecked 2 seconds laster in that amount of time. it is what is. time will tell. but im loving it so far. even with the random squad wipes they are a laugh.

[left hare]

grail knight

[acoustic spade]

Hmm, is it worth it to get this white 🤔

[left hare]

FOR THE LADY

misses 2nd hit

[hot ice]

although last time i played v2 i was really enjoying the huntsman

[left hare]

huntsman is bloody hard

[burnt python]

I'd buy it, really solid

[hot ice]

spear on huntsman just printed THP

[acoustic spade]

just 80% Warp Resistance, thats where the rank has gone

[icy harbor]

yes, it already has a higher weapon rating than your gold

[hot ice]

mfw i just realised thats how weapons get their main item rating from

[icy harbor]

354 white vs 329 gold

[hot ice]

how did it take me this long

[ornate hamlet]

Why does the force sword have an unlimited dodge limit

[stiff orchid]

btw which axe's are the best?

[hot ice]

[wise pecan]

I don’t think I would use it, personally, but apparently having higher tier items makes further higher tier items spawn in the store, so definitely worth picking up

[acoustic spade]

Yeah, but the weapon rating comes from the Warp Resistance and Blast Radius, while Damage and Quell speed are both worse on the white. The rating isnt everything

[burnt python]

mk V combat seems to be the fav thus far

[summer prairie]

the damage doesn't even matter

[wise pecan]

It’s my favorite weapon on zealot so far

[icy harbor]

i mean true, but why would you not want warp resistance

[burnt python]

just grabbed one for psyker to try out after work, will see if it overtakes my mk V dueling sword

[acoustic spade]

heard it here first, no need to minmax, damage doesnt even matter 🙃

[summer prairie]

something like 70vs72 or 75 is all the same

[wise pecan]

It does less than 1% less damage, that actually doesn’t matter

It’s the blast radius, warp resistance, and quell speed that are worth looking at

[burnt python]

damage matters when it alters breakpoints, thats about it

[acoustic spade]

and the quell speed isnt that great on the white

but hey, more crafting fodder for later atleast

[wise pecan]

I don’t like halving the quell speed in favor of doubling resistance, but that’s a personal choice in trade-offs

[burnt python]

I actually think the warp resist is better, because you have access to other quelling methods (battle meditation, quell on HS trait, ultimate)

[hot ice]

i mean if you run tranquility you dont need that much warp res compared to your existing staff

[burnt python]

less peril buildup gives you more time to trigger the alt quell methods

at the cost of less toughness regen

(if running quietitude)

[acoustic spade]

I wish Battle meditation even triggered somedays

[burnt python]

void staff into hordes triggers battle med all day long

[paper trail]

Yeah I was just looking back at this but I do feel like its not the finesse thats adjusting your numbers its the first target. Like look at these two side by side, one has both higher damage and higher finesse but much lower first target and it then shows much lower damage numbers than the one with both lower damage and finesse but higher first target. I feel like first target is messing with numbers more than the others on force sword

[acoustic spade]

hah, no, not really, or my RNG is just absolutely terrible

[wise pecan]

Definitely true considerations. I think overall it’s probably an upgrade, but in a “two steps forward, one step back” sort of way

[paper trail]

and then theres this one with much more finesse and virtually same damage stats

[burnt python]

finesse effects weak point & crit dmg, so will not show on those numbers

[paper trail]

and hardly any extra damage

[wise pecan]

I’d definitely go with the right

[paper trail]

yeah it wasn't me saying it did I am just talking about something from earlier

[silent wave]

lmao, they said they fixed the psyker deluxe edition outfit clipping but there's still stuff clipping into the jacket

[acoustic spade]

You can actually see how much the Weakpoint&Crit dmg is changed by Finesse

[paper trail]

Im not using any of these ones these are just backups for crafting

[wise pecan]

Ah I see

[burnt python]

could you show us the inspect screens compared for those 2 to give an idea of how much finesse impacts crit / wp dmg?

[paper trail]

thats my actual one but I want better first target

[twin yacht]

So any benefit bringing a psyker over a vet currently?

[silent wave]

surge staff mainly

[burnt python]

horde control / cc is about it

[zealous light]

is there any other force melee wep besides the blaze sword?

[acoustic spade]

Less concern about ammo economy

Vet comes in and slurps up all the ammo pickups with their bolter

[honest geyser]

I've never seen one at level 30

[acoustic spade]

or Plasma or whatever it is

[burnt python]

the vets who have figured shit out are running MKXII lasgun, which is absurdly ammo efficient

[hot ice]

which is why i run lasgun

[zealous light]

whats so special about lasgun?

[paper trail]

the sword itself is making the grey text hard to read and wont rotate away without flipping back lol

[zinc gorge]

A good Vet definitely outshines Psyker when it comes to elite/special killing. I switched my focus to clearing trash and keeping my party alive.

[wise pecan]

CC/AoE. Veteran has to spend precious bolter ammo to open up hard targets (ie bulwarks), or wade into melee to deal with hordes (and thus cannot shoot gunmen). Surge/purgatus staves can open bulwarks up, stun bombers/hounds/mutants, or clear hordes without spending ammo

[burnt python]

the mk 12 lasgun absolutely destroys elites/specials on headshots, and never runs out of ammo

[hot ice]

its consistently good across the board, and does great dps

the ammo efficiency is absurd on it

[twin yacht]

Mk12 is stronk af y

[zealous light]

Personally I love the Voidstrike staff.

Mows down packs of mobs with one shot

[twin yacht]

Trying a staff after using mk12 vet feels like i handicapped myself

[zinc gorge]

I bounce back and forth between void and purgatus

[burnt python]

voidstrike is goat for the orgasmic sound when you headshot 45 pox walkers in one shot

[zealous light]

Chain lightning one is subpar, doesnt do enough dmg.

[hot ice]

ahahaha ikr

[burnt python]

that is... not much change to the crit multi

[hot ice]

or the slight frame drop as you turn a bunched up horde into giblets

[cyan echo]

It's pretty fun to bring the Trauma staff as well when you want a challenge and change of pace

[zinc gorge]

Chain lightning is solid for protecting your group. You’re not supposed to be the best, that no one ever was with it.

[hazy bison]

Is warp battery challenge only for heresy+?

[wise pecan]

I don’t know if they fixed it to work on malice as intended, but in the preorder beta it was

[paper trail]

wait my bad that might have been the wrong 2 swords it was the two with almost identical damage stats

[hot ice]

is that the penance of keeping full warp stacks for 300s?

[paper trail]

yeah it was scratch that

[hazy bison]

Yeah

[zealous light]

I rather protect my group by mowing down the entire pack of mobs with one hit than stunning 4-5 of them with chain lightning

Lol

[burnt python]

I dont' think it matters - it's not showing flat dmg jus the multipliers

[hazy bison]

I just keeped 100% warp for like 10min in a malice and it is not tracking

[hot ice]

i believe i managed to complete in on malice the other day

[wise pecan]

Unfortunately, that logic does not work on pox bursters/hounds/mutants

[zinc gorge]

It’s Heresy. The 300+ second one. I can confirm.

[hot ice]

stun is powerful tho, especially against the high-threat elites

[cyan echo]

Hounds get stunned if you alt-fire them with voidstrike

[burnt python]

void has strong knockdown as well

[boreal slate]

i did it in malice

weird

[cyan echo]

yep!

[vocal agate]

Point of surge staff is you can stun ragers, ogryns, mutants etc. mfs you will not blow off in one shot with voidstrike

[burnt python]

meant to reply to other guy sry!

are there ANY weapons that can stun muti other than surge?

[wise pecan]

Yes, but then you have to aim a projectile weapon at Sonic the fucking Hedgehog

[pearl thicket]

all of the other staffs

[zealous light]

well when it comes to those mobs you'd usually wanna be using your Brain Burst anyway

[hot ice]

do any of you guys run the not-staff ranged weapons on psyker?

[zinc gorge]

Bursters do not always get stunned from the void. And some of them spawn in situations where you need the stun from surge so that you and your team can move away

[zealous light]

not your staff

[burnt python]

you sure about that? pretty sure void does not, trauma might

[pearl thicket]

yes

[paper trail]

actually I can see now that it is literally 0.1 weakspot power per % of finesse exactly from looking at lots of them

[burnt python]

interesting will have to test

[wise pecan]

The staffs are why you play psyker at all

[burnt python]

yeah that is not as good as I had hoped

[paper trail]

which means the base is 1.5

[hot ice]

ahhh i see

[burnt python]

hard to justify taking a gun on psyker with the current traits

[zealous light]

using any other melee wep besides blaze sword feels bad because you cant quell while holding them

[hot ice]

i see it like how @wise pecan sees it, since i play psyker because of the staffs haha

if i wanted to run guns id go on my vet chara

[burnt python]

yeah running a gun on psyker just seems like shitty vet

[echo parrot]

Is our class good now?

[candid temple]

I play to feel like a psionic god.

[cyan echo]

always was

[hot ice]

you asked this a few hours ago mate

calm down

[iron flame]

Not on higher difficulty

😭

[cyan echo]

still good

[burnt python]

psyker is very good for horde control / cc but it's the most team-reliant class imo

[zinc gorge]

Deflector on force sword effectively makes you a tank and an extremely good distraction in situations where trash gunners are spread out. Walk forward with that one feat that swaps stamina for peril during block and distract the masses while your vet picks them off. I do it all the time and it works surprisingly well.

[cyan echo]

not best

[burnt python]

psyker is at its best when you have a strong vet on your team allowing you to ignore elites and specials

[hot ice]

i mean if it suits your team comp go wild, but i either play with randos or my 1 friend who always runs lasgun lol

[burnt python]

which is disappointing when you see how psyker is advertised

[echo parrot]

I actually ask every microsecond but discord errors out most of the messages.

[hot ice]

do it every picosecond and crash the discord servers

[echo parrot]

Dont tempt me

[zinc gorge]

Yeah Heresy+ I switched from worrying about elites and specials because they take too long to BB. It’s all about crowd control. Whether that’s stopping them in their tracks with electricity or death… the power is yours.

[burnt python]

BB stays good vs bulwarks, bursters, and shotgunners, but becomes pretty useless against everything else at heresy/damnation

[zinc gorge]

Indeed

[hot ice]

it feels great to have a vet who knows their role so you can focus on yours

[zinc gorge]

Hounds are good too bc of their rubber banding and odd pathing at times lol

[hot ice]

shoutout to my friend

ahahaha

[burnt python]

takes 4 BB to kill a hound on damnation lol

[pearl thicket]

snipers, flamers, gunners

[burnt python]

so bad

[echo parrot]

Feels good to have friends. Wish I knew how it felt myself.

[wide quest]

Wait what, I thought it's only 2?

Or am I remembering it wrong

[burnt python]

forgot about snipers, i thought flamers & gunners take 2 bb to kill on damnation

[hot ice]

ill be your friend <3

[pearl thicket]

I think he’s miscalculating a lot

[burnt python]

its either 3 or 4 let me find the chart

[tender cipher]

You passively kill specials even if no one is focusing on them with the exception of mutants and ogryns

[pearl thicket]

gunners definitely die in one

[loud ibex]

Guys what kinda staffs are most usefull? im just using a lasgun atm haha

[hot ice]

depends

[tender cipher]

Void staff headshots most things in 1-2 hits or throws them off so much they won’t reach their targets by the time the second or third void ball hits

[zinc gorge]

Depends on what you’re looking for. I like all of them atm lol

[teal needle]

Voidstrike for damage and horde clear surge for support

[hot ice]

anything but trauma staff lmaoooo

[fresh reef]

playstyle and build varies

[zinc gorge]

Purgatus is extremely powerful for trash clear. It’s a solid hybrid of surge’s interrupt and voids damage

[wide quest]

It definitely takes 2 bb for hounds on damnation

[zinc gorge]

But I wouldn’t run purgatus if you don’t have a good range comp on the team.

[teal needle]

Yeah purgatus is okay but it's just painful to run if you don't have a veteran on the team you can trust

[burnt python]

you are correct it's 2

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z7vxbi/psykers_bb_and_charges_the_numbers_tell_you_that/

[loud ibex]

nice thanks guys

[hot ice]

i saw 4 and was like wuuut

[loud ibex]

have i been pretty useless using this lasgun then it seems to drop things haha

[zinc gorge]

I can agree with that statement lol

[burnt python]

lol my bad idk where i came up with that number

[hot ice]

warp influence

[burnt python]

the most disappointing part imo si that only 1 special gets reduced break points from warp charges w/ BB

[hot ice]

too much

[burnt python]

they are so inconsequetial

[zinc gorge]

Are you feeling okay? Are the voices getting louder? Lol

[tall mango]

Hello my siblings! What are we discussing today?

[hot ice]

My beloved!

[teal needle]

I mean honestly I don't think lasgun on psyker is as troll as everyone says it is. You get 50% of the vet ult at all times in exchange for bad ammo capacity and losing the value the staff would have brought

[unreal vector]

Are their flak armor cosmetics for the psyker? I got the recon beta helmet, but I wanna complete the set with some armor.

[teal needle]

Still I think you could replace a vet as the anti ranged option with it

[tender cipher]

Void staff is best for pug play or when paired up with another psyker so you can just afk through content.

[tender cipher]

Has flash light…

[pearl thicket]

2

[burnt python]

man i'm really struggling with numbers today

gonna be quiet now 😛

[pearl thicket]

point still stands, charges are useless

[burnt python]

still wish warp charges were more impactful

[wide quest]

The closest thing you're gonna get right now that would fit with the helmet is the monstrosity penance armor. Or simply dress up like a madman.

[burnt python]

i like the concept of being able to "consume" your charges for stronger BBs

[tall mango]

Warp charges should last longer and let us charge BB faster

[pearl thicket]

works for me

actually I think the duration is mostly fine

[hot ice]

Which specials?

[cyan echo]

Warp charges should decay one at a time

[tall mango]

BB strength isn’t necessarily an issue, it’s the speed

They charge way too slow for how quickly others can kill specials

[burnt python]

mutants go from 5 > 4 with 1 or more warp charges, dreg gunners go from 2 > 1 with 2 charges

[unreal vector]

damn, that sucks

[hot ice]

I think it should be a talent that does this

[tall mango]

Faster BB means more BB which means more damage

[teal needle]

Warp charges need a rework, that's for sure. Not sure what it needs to. As always the community suggestions haven't been good

[tall mango]

My suggestion was great!

[candid hawk]

I mean warp charges are fine BB need scaling

[jovial frigate]

honestly just changing warp charges into BB FCS per stack would make it fun but probably busted with the FCS feat at 30

[bright wind]

odd question what level do you get the pyro staff and what is yalls opinion of the best staff?

[candid hawk]

BB stays one damage throughout the entire time

[teal needle]

Scroll up like 30 lines

[hot ice]

Thankies from mcspankies

[main jay]

People sleep on pyro, it's as potent as zealots flamethrower imo

[vestal cosmos]

k i guess fully charging voidstrike crashes my game

[tall mango]

Voidstrike is a fantastic staff for all difficulties, Surge is amazing for stunning specials, and Purgatus(pyro) is great for clearing hordes

[cyan echo]

oh, not too bad

[hot ice]

What is rending again

Armour break?

[cyan echo]

Armor break but only for you

Brittleness is armor break but applied on the enemy

[burnt python]

penetration, not break, but yeah

[hot ice]

Makes sense

[burnt python]

i wonder if that is supposed to read 4%

[hot ice]

Purgatus is my personal fav because cleansing the heretic with holy fire is a fun activity that friends and family should join in on

[zinc gorge]

I’ve got a pretty good pyro staff and it melts hordes. I tell our zealot to watch my 6, get the group in a centralized corner or hallway and do the Emperor’s work. Same strategy works with void.

I just prefer purgatus right now bc rng has not been kind when it comes to void staves.

[spark forum]

void just feels to niche on 4-5. if youre not slamming chokepoint hallways and tight corridors i feel like it just loses its worth very fast

just had another guy using void on hab dreyko, that area with the tree was so aids because stuff justr came from all directions and he was almost worthless

[sick fiber]

i usually do laser riffles because ranged enemies are the bane of existance

[burnt python]

You have to be on top of your shit and hitting hordes as they are bunched coming out of spawns

[acoustic isle]

So for those that have sunken in a decent time on psyker. Whaddya guys think are the best things to go for on curios?

[clear linden]

WOUNDS

[sick fiber]

• wound

[burnt python]

wounds & +% toughness are my preferred

[acoustic isle]

Wounds seems generally wanted for everyone to be fair lmao

But that makes sense

Wounds toughness just cuz everyone benefits from it

[clear linden]

epspecially important for psykers in case you see the opportunity to blow up three elites and just send it

[severe helm]

can it get any better lol?

[burnt python]

can surge crit?

[tacit fractal]

Yes

[burnt python]

nice

[honest geyser]

surge crits hard

perks and blessings could be better but it's a nice stick

[spark forum]

what does stack 5 times mean though

[burnt python]

i gu ess i could've just observed the "critical bonus" stat on the damn staff itself lol

[tacit fractal]

Also why are there so many low level psykers in Heresy trying to do stuff with a bloody trauma staff >:(

[honest geyser]

up to 15% (3x5) based on peril level is my guess

[tacit fractal]

It is that

[spark forum]

ya those same psykers that when you call them out for being awful and underleveled they say 'but heresy isnt even that hard bro'

[teal cargo]

Does surge do good dmg?

[honest geyser]

it's mainly the CC

[burnt python]

to flak armor specifically, yes. To infested it does basically nothing

[honest geyser]

it's meh against hordes but it ruins flak

[teal cargo]

Cos Trauma is first staff and all

[clear linden]

wipes the floor with scabs

[sinful stream]

How do you guys feel about a full soul blaze build? It seems really fun by my psyker is only 15 so I don't have half the traits (I see weapons can even trigger soul blaze on crits)

[unique sand]

why did i have to get this gun on psyker

[severe helm]

i am going to reroll for all crit chance when the crafting system is online.

[tropic halo]

not a good idea. not a good idea at all.

[burnt python]

I think soul blaze is garbage and needs love badly

[teal cargo]

why is the crafting system not online?

[hot surge]

when is mk5 axe unlocked honestly shouldnt be doing heresy without that imho

[cyan notch]

are normal guns worth anything on psyker

[tacit fractal]

I'm the dude who has carried hard with fuckin 3 ogryns all being lvl 30 in heresy meanwhile i'm 21, for real

[teal cargo]

releasong game with non functional crafting smh

[radiant jolt]

The only ammo we need is brain juice

[zinc gorge]

Soul blaze feats and mechanics definitely need some love.

[hot surge]

Also I unlocked purgation and finally used it last night, was not impressed

anything I hit isnt stunned and others will kill them before dot gets them

[burnt python]

yeah even fully selling out on a soul blaze build it still feels weak

[spark forum]

its really strong if you have a gunner who burns down elites and specials

[sinful stream]

Sad to hear but I'm still gonna try it its one of the few things drawing me away from playing vwteran

[tacit fractal]

Purgatus staff?

It's really good

[hot surge]

ah yes, purgatus

[honest geyser]

I find purg staff just blinds that hell out of people

[clear linden]

purge perma cc if you use single fire

[teal cargo]

So when buying gear do you go for grays?

[hot surge]

With surge I get CC and slight damage I can FU with Mk5 axe

[burnt python]

they turned down the visual noise a lot

[zinc gorge]

Purg staff is good. But you need a team that knows how to group up

[honest geyser]

so it's not good?

[hot surge]

it seems like the actual on-hit is very high with a held down rmb, but if they can tank that they gonna eat your bootyhole

[honest geyser]

never had one of these groups that groups up

[tacit fractal]

Surge, Void and Purgatus are all good honestly, i've used all of them in heresy and done fantastically with all of them, best with purgatus, least with surge which is ironic

[teal cargo]

Is it like a Drake Gun?

[zinc gorge]

My best staff is purg. I use it all the time and love it

[burnt python]

my problem w/ purge is that it's worse than all other staves vs generic ranged boys, which are the most threatening enemies at high difficulties

[main jay]

Purg is not bad

[tacit fractal]

you also have a melee and dodge ability

[spark forum]

its really good for horde control, but if no one is targeting and nuking the elites you run into trouble

[hot surge]

at least with that its lmb shoots

pugs lmb is just a short range flame

[honest geyser]

I just just joking around

[zinc gorge]

Get a force sword with Deflector. Then ride out to meet the ranged dudes. It actually works great.

[long wharf]

Surge isn't for hordes, and if you're with a team that doesn't have a horde clearing weapon (i.e. zealot with flamer or psyker with void/purge), it can really stress the run

[main jay]

my purg melts maniacs

[teal cargo]

I wish we had Siennas Flail in this game 😔

[hot surge]

what is surge for if not hordes o_o

oops wrong reply

[tacit fractal]

np

[teal cargo]

Some good horde control melee

[burnt python]

surge is limited to 6-8 enemies (of it's own choosing), its bad vs hordes

[hot surge]

I get it it only branches to only so many adds but it stops them in place

[tacit fractal]

It's stunlock

[honest geyser]

surge stuns the hell out of everything, even bigs

[spark forum]

best part about surge is the mutant/dog/burster stagger, only things that make up for the abysmal dmg

[hot surge]

that is true

[long wharf]

surge is for keeping enemies from acting

[honest geyser]

but it has a limited hit count compared to void and purg so it falls off for damage in higher difficulties

[teal cargo]

and Trauma has no redeeming features?

[bronze sierra]

Realistically the the best staff order is as follows; void (for its general purpose), surge (for its cc), if you need cc then the other way around, purge, then trauma

[burnt python]

target limit & target choice hold surge back a lot at high difficulties, but it would be head and shoulders above the rest w/o those limitations

[hot surge]

void i feel im using it wrong

the animation i expect ,big explosion

I use it and only one guy gets got

[tacit fractal]

It's literally the first toy you get, next you can get either the taser gun, the rocket launcher or the flamer which are actual guns

[bronze sierra]

Throw it jnto a group

[honest geyser]

void travels through unarmored units

[long wharf]

void really shines when you get quell on weak point hit ability on it

[burnt python]

it penetrates everything except carapace and unyielding - use it like a rail gun lol

[bronze sierra]

Have it hit the floor

[spark forum]

every time i use void i just feel like i should have brought purg or surge, it just feels bad to me on oipen maps

[main jay]

the key with void is headshots

[bronze sierra]

It will go boom on enviro collision

[main jay]

imo

[weak galleon]

fucking finally, almost a top tier voidstrike.

IF ONLY it had good blast radius...

[main jay]

the 'aim at floor' is a myth

[honest geyser]

pretty sure that is bad, you want to draw a line though the most enemies possible

[hot surge]

yeah I tried floor doesnt seem reliable

[long wharf]

that's pretty sexy

[tacit fractal]

I never hit the floor with void and I always get like +30 kills in hordes wether it be scabs, dregs or poxwalkers

[burnt python]

theres no benefit to shooting hte floor w/ void imo

[teal cargo]

Oh so void is for sniping?

[burnt python]

might as well trauma at that point

[bronze sierra]

I do, except with certain stuations

Yea

[main jay]

void is penetrating

[bronze sierra]

Ill usually aim for head level

[main jay]

so headshot spam hordes

[tacit fractal]

Brain burst is for sniping

[zinc gorge]

What would we need to actually use Trauma? My two cents are slightly wider area and less peril buildup.

[burnt python]

exactly

[teal cargo]

and Purg is for burning hordes?

[main jay]

ye

[long wharf]

if you're getting surrounded, shooting void at or near your feet can give you just enough breathing room to maneuver

[burnt python]

charged shots also knock down most enemies

[honest geyser]

void is a railgun that shoots through hordes, it can snipe too but your left click is probably better for that

[weak galleon]

void for horde aoe/shootouts with scabs at medium-long range.

[tacit fractal]

Faster explosion radious and less peril

[bronze sierra]

But IF WE NEED to eliminate a small group then i aim center for them

[long wharf]

the right click is better for sniping because of its collision radius - it can hit things hiding behind cover that the normal shot can't

[teal cargo]

with purg staff how you deal with people shooting at you? BB?

[bronze sierra]

Usually also for ones that have carapce if theres one to get the ape as well

[honest geyser]

yeah, that's fine. Just don't hit the floor. Damage fall off is pretty strong so driving it through their heads is better

[bronze sierra]

The vet

[long wharf]

you take cover

[wide quest]

BB, but mostly teammates.

[hot surge]

so hit them center mass unless elite/armored

[teal cargo]

I see so vet can handle it?

[hot surge]

then headshot

[bronze sierra]

Oh yeah turkey i was just meaning if you need an aoe on a tight group

[long wharf]

that's my biggest issue with purge right now, you have zero ability to deal with ranged people with it

[zinc gorge]

Force sword with deflector and walk to them. Makes ranger enemies pull out melee.

[bronze sierra]

Yea leaf

Or zealot

[hot surge]

omg my first purg run was also on a heresy where the vet did nothing

[tender cipher]

Pair with an aggressive zealot basically.

[burnt python]

there's no benefit to hitting cetner mass assuming you're referring to void, always go head

[hot surge]

first area two downs while gunners shat on us

yeah i meant void

[long wharf]

sure, but my point is that you have to rely on others to deal with them entirely

[tender cipher]

Bruh, it's hard to do much when you have 3-4 reapers and like 10 gunners firing at you at any given time.

[bronze sierra]

Leaf tell your what i have a couple budddies that would be down likely to have you join us iffin you want after work tonight?

[long wharf]

you have no way to help with people past the purge range limit, which frankly isn't very far

[weak galleon]

BB exists. kinda.

[teal cargo]

So I guess you mostly a horde clearer?

[burnt python]

purge would be way better w/ the standard left click

[hot surge]

damn hold on now my complaints dont mean im good lmao

[zinc gorge]

I’m actually being serious about the force sword thing. I do it on Heretic all the time.

[paper trail]

Does terrifying barrage even do anything on voidstrike staff, I mean my staff generally seems to suppres hordes anyway with its actual explosions, 6m suppression range, I can't say I've ever noticed it doing anything

[hot surge]

I do plan to do some heretic hunting later tonight tho

[long wharf]

BB certainly does exist, yes

[wide quest]

Purg is amazing if you bring it for a certain comp in premade teams. But it's a problem in quickplay since teammates aren't always reliable.

[weak galleon]

also purge allows you to cut distance via left click spam, it has good range.

[bronze sierra]

Im down to do some woth you leaf

[tender cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-come-on-do-it-kill-me-now-just-go-get-over-with-gif-15340632 (Use your deflection sword )

[ebon jolt]

Purge left click is way better than standard one.

[tender cipher]

Pull out your sword, hope you equipped Deflection and yell out

[hot surge]

Surge seems to be best PUG staff

[burnt python]

i strongly disagree

[bronze sierra]

I still take void almost exclusively

[radiant jolt]

The range on purge did improve after the open beta since they made the cone way thinner/longer at least from what I can tell

[tacit fractal]

This is my view on the staves
Void strike staff: Kicks ass in hordes and non unique enemies i.e. elites and specials (except the soft specials)
Purgatus staff: Kicks ass hard in hordes more and should not be used against elites, specials are okay but just use brain burst if you have charges
Surge staff: Kicks ass in stunlocking and control against ranged enemies, works with mutants/pox bursters/pox hounds
Trauma staff: First toy you get and shouldn't be a go to for anything except to get the handle on staves and CC on bunched up hordes

[icy harbor]

just got the third shop rotation in a row with no staffs at all

[teal cargo]

Does Purg good dmg to elites?

[hot surge]

I felt like purg left click did nothing and also gives me nothing for range besides bb

[burnt python]

from other peoples testing, the changes are visual only

[radiant jolt]

[paper trail]

we need extra roles in this channel for what type of staff people use

[tacit fractal]

Staves are not meant for elites, just use brain burst

[bronze sierra]

Purge js just fun

[teal cargo]

Like can you roast some crushers?

[burnt python]

over the course of 30 se conds, yes 😛

[tender cipher]

Opposite. You run Surge and Purg with your friends, you run void for everything else or for multi-psyker comps.

[weak galleon]

You can perfectly use Purge against Elites. For CC.

Purge is a middle ground between Surge and Voidstrike. I have a feeling many people sleep on it's Left click.

[wide quest]

Suppress only works on the gunmen, which makes them take cover instead of keep shooting at you.

[icy harbor]

my flamethrower staff together with the second level 30 skill gives me constant 6 charges. it is so much fun

[bronze sierra]

I got a spicy purge

[burnt python]

it's left click would be great on other staves, it's redundant on purge and would benefit more from a ranged option

[bronze sierra]

It has run and gun on it

[burnt python]

the stagger is good, but at that point might as well run surge

[teal cargo]

You think there will be more classes released?

[random brook]

stagger

[tacit fractal]

I play hybrid combat well so I avoid most of my damage and time my melee and range combat well, I've seen that from a side view though lmao

[bronze sierra]

There likely will be

[hot surge]

I think my view will change on purg when i hit 25 today and get 10% chance on charge

[zinc gorge]

Same. My Purg is 490 and melts anything that dares come close. My zealot friend just watches my 6 and shoves anything that trickles through.

[teal cargo]

Or like subclasses like in VT2?

[weak galleon]

it's not redundant.
You can stagger ranged to cut distance, you can stagger elites to cut distance to them or help your team, and you can obliterate hordes via right click.
It's essentially multipurpose staff.

[long wharf]

I think the lmb attack on the purge should have longer range on it

[honest geyser]

I never realized purge staff triggers warp charges with ascendant blaze

[hot surge]

also thx to this chat I have become mk5 pilled i dont want to even see aforce sword until it has the deflect bullets blessing

[paper trail]

is 6 meters even shooting range or melee range

[teal cargo]

So purge is good?

[ornate hamlet]

will psykers get a 2h sword?

[burnt python]

the range is too short to be a gap closer in many scenarios

it is good vs elites

especially ragers

[long wharf]

this has been my experience

[teal cargo]

Is Purg good vs bosses?

like roasting a daemonhost?

[honest geyser]

I'll gladly accept a force halberd

[wide quest]

I assume 6m radius around the target that was killed.

[bronze sierra]

Its better than trauma, not better than surge or void

[hot surge]

ill try again but purg left click didnt seem to do anything

[tender cipher]

Everything is good and has its place except @fresh reef @devout halo

[long wharf]

I don't use it to close gaps at all, if purge can touch an enemy, so can a sprint-slide

[burnt python]

its better vs bosses than other staves but still not good

[teal cargo]

I see

[tender cipher]

I need to get a good trauma staff.

[icy harbor]

it is truly incredible

[teal cargo]

so bosses spam Bb?

[burnt python]

i believe (in theory) trauma has highest single target dps

[bronze sierra]

I dint use purge cause of mechanics

[weak galleon]

well, yes, it's not suitable for trench warfare.
And I'd love to see it buffed. like the entire psyker kit, actually, so we'd have that "incredible power that comes at the cost" we've been promised in Psyker's spotlight

[paper trail]

well its within 6m range on close range kill so, I dunno, that sounds terrible to me when you will be smashing them in the face with a giant ball to kill them all anyway

[tender cipher]

Yes, but on Beast of Nurgle use flamer. Also on Daemonhost?

[bronze sierra]

I use it cause its fun

[radiant jolt]

The staves in order of how much I like the emoji's i'm using to represent them:
🔮⚡ 🔥 ⭕

[weak galleon]

but Purge lights are still useful, very so.

[paper trail]

I'm going to relegate terrifying barrage to worst tier voidstrike staff blessings in my book

[burnt python]

i just want warp charges to be meaningful 😦

[long wharf]

I tried using purge against a daemonhost, I did not see any effect on it

[fresh reef]

[honest geyser]

does a soul blaze kill count as a "warp attack"

[burnt python]

doubt it

[honest geyser]

for toughness regen

[teal cargo]

Is psyker using normal guns trolling?

like autogun Psyker

[fresh reef]

the emperor has given me a purple surge staff and orange dueling sword

[long wharf]

soulblaze DoT does not, but the purge primary attack does

[burnt python]

yeah its trolling in psykers current state

[tender cipher]

Some times, but no. It has a flash light. You'll need those.

[fresh reef]

I think he's trying to tell me something

[teal cargo]

what glashlight for?

[tender cipher]

The Emperor is testing you. Do you fall to temptation or do you remain strong?

[burnt python]

the only trait guns benefit from on psyker (knetic flayer) is on a 15 sec cd and procs randomly

[paper trail]

I thought some guy said combining the auto BB with the +15% damage debuff to non warp attacks on target with a gun was ok

[honest geyser]

there's a power out event on same maps. Makes it dark af

[long wharf]

Sire Melk tried to offer me an absolutely beastly recon gun yesterday

I kept the faith, siblings, but it was so hard

[teal cargo]

I see and if you no flashlight just stumbling around?

[burnt python]

I'm sure it's fine but your vet gets that same 15% dmg bonus...

[fresh reef]

gonna do some testing with the surge again

trauma is getting stale a bit

[bleak sonnet]

hot take:

the game is so easy even on t5 you can run anything

[bronze sierra]

hot take

[long wharf]

and if we ever get to share weapons between characters, I'll create a Vet just to cry about it

[burnt python]

if your vet is good and deals w/ gunners 😛

[bronze sierra]

each staff is good in its own right

[paper trail]

I guess its between whether you just want to do the most damage or whether you just want the elite dead

[long wharf]

I want Psyker class abilities to feel worthwhile

[fresh reef]

skill > everything else

[teal cargo]

Is this game really just if your vet is good, anything is viable? 😆

[bronze sierra]

^

[burnt python]

same, the class is good but not in the way it's intended

[bronze sierra]

pretty much arya

[burnt python]

right now, yes lol

[bronze sierra]

yeah

[teal cargo]

What you do if no vet?

[weak galleon]

yeah, running around Psyker Bardin Ironbreaker setup is... weird.
This is not what I imagined by the "incredible power" of a Mage archetype class.

[bronze sierra]

void

[long wharf]

pray you have a good ogryn and you're using void staff

[teal cargo]

Yea lol Psyker is like Ironbreaker

[sick condor]

++

[burnt python]

squishy IB

[tender cipher]

Have a team run two void staves, and have two zealots apparently or run surge/purg and run with two zealots move as a death ball.

[burnt python]

budget unchained

[bronze sierra]

if you get a group that gravitates to a specific thing then it gets really satisfying

[teal cargo]

i wish we had unchaoned

[long wharf]

surge+purge is best combo I've seen

[honest geyser]

I wish I could craft a specific weapon type. Haven't seen a purge staff in days

[cloud ridge]

have any of the math nerds figured out weapons breakpoints yet?

[long wharf]

team can wipe hordes and lock down specials/elites easily

[burnt python]

i think surge + void is better

[acoustic spade]

OK now the shop has started to do some Foxpaw shit

[shadow quail]

This store is BS can't ever get something I want 👎

[bronze sierra]

hot take

[weak galleon]

It does make sense, yeah.
Something like surge+purge+shield ogryn+vet.

[long wharf]

as long as they don't go down, that pair can carry a group

[burnt python]

deleting hordes before they are in surge range so surge hits the important targets

[teal cargo]

Why is the store so bs?

[acoustic spade]

This is a green staff in the store

[bronze sierra]

4 psykers, 1 purge 2 surge, 1 void

[weak galleon]

surge+purge synergize really well

[acoustic spade]

should I get this

[tender cipher]

I would run 3 void 1 surge .

[shadow quail]

I haven't had a force sword since monday...

[long wharf]

4 psykers aren't beefy enough

[bronze sierra]

fair

[tender cipher]

It only takes 1-3 shots to kill most things, you use surge for Ogryns

[bronze sierra]

i disagree pfheonix

[long wharf]

you have nobody to take frontline when shit hits the fan

[acoustic spade]

Like, the stats look alright and all

[bronze sierra]

ive got 240 hp

[teal cargo]

so what yo do to cope if cant get weapons?

[burnt python]

psyker has surprisingly strong melee options

[long wharf]

not as strong as shield ogryn

[burnt python]

force sword, dueling sword, and axe are all very very good

[tender cipher]

Nothing would come close and you have the 4th Psyker with a Surge to deal with anything that reaches front line.

[shadow quail]

I'm using a non psyker sword

[tender cipher]

And then 3 force swords.

[weak galleon]

if i understand this correctly, purge removes trash around elites, surge aimbots on elites.

[acoustic spade]

So am I just gonna cope and hope that Trauma staff gets buffed?

[ancient ivy]

Play ogryn. Smaller weapon pool is actually a plus when it comes to the random shop

[acoustic spade]

cause those are some decent stats

[long wharf]

the only way you never have to deal with close enemies is if you're playing on sedition

[burnt python]

void can fill the same role w/ infinite range tho

[idle bay]

Deflector perk on Force Sword + Kinetic Deflection feat =
https://media.tenor.com/QuOY5L0Xq_oAAAAC/neo-matrix.gif

[tender cipher]

I am talking about void shots, you clear things before they reach you and you can hit ogryns and elites from miles away. Surge is for back up and for Shield/whatever ogryns.

[fresh reef]

I retain that trauma is good

[weak galleon]

except blas radius, which is, arguable, important for trauma

[fresh reef]

surge is kinda cool though, with low warp res

[tender cipher]

No, it's called positioning and moving as a team, and it's called I mostly play on Heresy and only dip into Malice for farming.

[burnt python]

void is better than purge w/ surge, imo, because you can thin the trash before it reaches your surge players range, increasing odds your surge hits targets of importance

[long wharf]

problem with void is that you aren't doing massive damage, it takes a number of shots to bring down elites

[teal cargo]

Is rapier a good choice for block builds?

[bronze sierra]

tell me then, what does trauma do that the others cant

[weak galleon]

Yes and no.
Void is strong af, but it does get stuck on stuff like Crushers, not going through them

[teal cargo]

killing hordes maybe?

[radiant jolt]

Puts a cool circle on the ground

[bronze sierra]

void does that well

[tender cipher]

Each shot deals anywhere from 400-700 damage per target. So that's 1-3 shots depending and it doesn't take that long to charge.

[bronze sierra]

circle you got me there

[tender cipher]

And it hits AoE and penetrates multiple targets depending on what gets hit.

[burnt python]

true, i just value the range more than the carapace pen

[bronze sierra]

void does that too

[long wharf]

I'm not arguing that void isn't good, I'm saying that you can't play as if you expect no enemies to get close to you

[teal cargo]

Is void like a fireball staff?

[bronze sierra]

ye

[burnt python]

almost identical

[radiant jolt]

Basically

[teal cargo]

I see

[acoustic spade]

yeah I was thinking about that, that radius makes the actual numbers this

[burnt python]

the epicenter falloff on trauma gotta go

[tender cipher]

And I am saying that you have no clue what you're talking about because not only have you not run the numbers, but you don't understand why there's a psyker with a surge staff with the other three.

[long wharf]

shit invariably hits the fan, and as soon as someone goes down, now your carefully crafted team is out a specialist until you get them back up

[acoustic spade]

But at the same time the Charge rate to max is just 1.33s

[teal cargo]

So Void you fully charge fireballs the way to go?

[bronze sierra]

i do a mix

[burnt python]

trauma needs less falloff, a lingering AOE, or significantly reduced peril gen

[bronze sierra]

but for the most part yes

[tender cipher]

Some times, you do a full charge initial shot and then lesser ones after.

[bronze sierra]

namely cause bigger hitbox

[long wharf]

I've yet to do a malice or heresy run where things don't go sideways at least once

[teal cargo]

yea Trauma should get. lingweing aoe

[burnt python]

partial usually gets it done, 0 charge right clicks great for knockdown when shits in your grill

[tender cipher]

If you have another psyker, you can just do half shots because AoEs will finish everything off.

[bronze sierra]

if truma left a lingering aoe then id say it would be up there

[teal cargo]

Will they have a Corruscating staff eventually oof

[long wharf]

trauma leaving a soulblaze patch would be nice

[burnt python]

wtb bolt equivalent

that thing was so damn fun

[teal cargo]

yea

sniping people

[burnt python]

idc if its weak that shit is just fun

[zinc gorge]

Beam staff

[bronze sierra]

fun > optimization

[teal cargo]

Beam staff also fun

not this crappy Trauma

[burnt python]

they nerfed beam staff a hundred different ways i doubt they reintroduce it lol

[bronze sierra]

also finally got a deflector sword

[bleak sonnet]

trauma is fine if u get good rolls on stuff idk lol

[wide quest]

You'll get there some day

[teal cargo]

Also we need like a Firesword

[acoustic spade]

Hmm I either get the bad radius Trauma staff or this

[tender cipher]

Things only go side ways on Malice because you're playing like an idiot or bored, Heresy yes, but it doesn't mean mobs are on top of you either.

[bleak sonnet]

i have a 372 base stat trauma and it slaps

[acoustic spade]

I dont have enough money for both

[teal cargo]

Firesword and Flail pls

[acoustic spade]

Base 362 Duelling Sword

[burnt python]

can you do more than 2 full charges to max peril on a well rolled one?

[zinc gorge]

I will forever ship the deflector sword.

[iron flame]

I am probably going to play ogryn after I am done with maxing Psyker. They have a smaller weapon pool?

[teal cargo]

they do cos ogryn big and dumb

cant use many weapons

[bronze sierra]

but they slap