psyker-class

[devout belfry]

As far as I can tell the higher level item you've owned for a slot affects the drop rates of further item level.

[acoustic spade]

that its just the stats / indication of how strong the blessings/perks are

[bronze sierra]

im talking void staff

[primal aurora]

extra currency better spend on weapons? or stats aren't good for psyker?

[ruby merlin]

Surge ccs whole groups behind cover and doesn't need aiming, and you can dodge back into cover more easily with it, and keep your eye on the back while you attack.

You gotta aim void, which is a downside in hectic situations.

[hard breach]

Also just had a Trauma Staff user in the heresy just did

[tender cipher]

Save your currency for something else or just gamble for greys. That item just isn't worth it with two stat lines being bad.

[ruby merlin]

Trauma is actually decent, it's not a bad weapon.

[acoustic spade]

for a slot? I havent seen that be the case, unless its specifically for Emperor's gift droprates and not store rolls / Limited Acquisitions

[tender cipher]

The problem is that it's hard to ignore that you're not effective until certain instances.

[ruby merlin]

Like if you're an aiming god and you want surge level cc on a specific target spot, trauma can do that.

[bronze sierra]

@ruby merlin i was referring to the void hitting through cover

[tender cipher]

Trauma can do that as well.

If you can fiddle with the aiming.

[ruby merlin]

@tender cipher yeah on lower difficulties trauma is pretty trash since the main point is CC.

but on damnation it really does have a role and you can kinda point out pros and cons.

[magic hull]

HMNM IS THIS GOOD?

[nova needle]

So if you charge your surge lighting bolt there is a animation that doesn’t deal a lot of dmg. But if you animation cancel by charging your lighting bolt, unleash it then sprint forward or by changing to your melee immediately after all the enemies take full dmg.

[devout axle]

That's a weird looking staff.

[ruby merlin]

If you have to use a gun on psyker, take one with ghost.

So you can deal with ranged mobs safely.

[tender cipher]

. The main point of trauma is a crap ton of damage in a concentrated area, if you pack enough ragers in a horde you can probably achieve the most elite damage / kills with the trauma at long-ish ranges.

[ruby merlin]

That too, but for me I'd mostly use it for CC

The full charge takes too long.

[devout belfry]

So holding sprint or left click after the bolt?

[acoustic spade]

was ghost the weakspot -> immune to ranged?

[fair axle]

Don't need CC is if it dead before it reaches you 🙂

[ruby merlin]

If you can perma cc 5 ogryns on a spot, it's usually enough for your team to wipe them all out in a tough spot.

[nova needle]

Just sprint after you unleash it.

[ruby merlin]

@fair axle How does purgatus do in a really clutch moment, people dead, multiple ogryns on you etc.

[tender cipher]

Get a 70-80% charge speed staff, also, don't need to CC if things die first. I think trauma does the most damage so you only need 2-3 charges or something maybe.

[ruby merlin]

I haven't tried that on damnation

Trauma is ideal IMO in a planned group that can use chokes well.

[paper trail]

I got a 380 trauma staff the other day but never really tried it

[fair axle]

Purge can stagger Ogryn's save for the Crusher and if it really is down to your entire team is gone and you are in that situation.. No staff is going to save you.. Blocking with peril block and ressing will tho.

[devout belfry]

I really feel like I should be making a wiki.

[ruby merlin]

@fair axle yeah I've seen people with a dueling sword or combat axe full recover from 3 dead and multiple crushers.

Just gotta give ground, kite back and slowly grind them down.

But the surge staff is better for clutch moments like that for a low charge, no aim, quick stun on a dodge back if needed.

[devout belfry]

And despite our love for the aesthetic - staves aren't the only weapon worth equipping.

[tender cipher]

If you can reach your teammates. Some times they're found in the most peculiar situations.

[fresh reef]

While I believe this to be true, what have you found success with?

Every time I pick up a lasgun the team dies to first horde lol

[tender cipher]

Have you tried a trauma staff?

Yes. Just hold on to it.

Ranged Damage to Elite is kind of meh.

[fresh reef]

I FUCKING LOVE THE TRAUMA STAFF

[midnight violet]

i havent even tried the trauma yet. what does it do lol. its the only type i havent bought yet

[tender cipher]

It inflicts trauma.

On yourself or the enemies.

[fresh reef]

Have you played VT2?

[tender cipher]

Or your teammates.

[midnight violet]

no

[shy cradle]

Question for people who have played V2, do any of the Psyker staffs have stuff that Sienna's staff do not have? Something we might expect in her dlc character?

[fresh reef]

Basically you charge up an explosion on the ground. High stagger and high damage, but high peril cost so you need to learn to manage it well

[candid temple]

on a psyker? they really are.
just play sharpshooter if you want to pew pew?

[midnight violet]

so its aoe on yourself?

[teal cargo]

We don't have like a Surge Staff but I guess sister of thorn has a floaty staff

[fresh reef]

Yes but you can aim it

[candid temple]

well, that's just low level issue.

[bronze sierra]

not to mention we dont use ammo @candid temple

[fresh reef]

Though have the right idea, charging at your feet is pretty effective

[tender cipher]

Charging at your feet with void staff or trauma is a nice option to tell mobs to go away

[bronze sierra]

thats like the only real use IMO

[tender cipher]

Though trauma does it infinitely better

[bronze sierra]

for the trauma

[fresh reef]

Probably true, but if I'm not carrying I'm getting carried

[midnight violet]

how is that different from the void staff? maybe i shoulkd just buy onme when a good one show up then i'll figure it out

[bronze sierra]

voids got range

and punchthoruh

through*

[fresh reef]

Void is better for range, Trauma is better for stagger

[candid temple]

trauma is like conflag, but costs insanely more peril

[bronze sierra]

which can let you ignore cove

[teal cargo]

Trauma I guess is good spamming at a Horde

[tender cipher]

Just use all the staves, Vaeloth and keep an open mind and try to maximize your own play style in a land of cruel pugs.

[bronze sierra]

cover*

[midnight violet]

ohhh...see i love voiud but that stagger sounds nice thats what i want

[cyan echo]

If they lowered the peril cost of Trauma i would actually think ti was in a pretty good spot

[fresh reef]

In the end, try what you want and see what you like

[candid temple]

yes

[worthy wasp]

Nothing can save trauma

Its ass

[midnight violet]

ive tried them all but trauma. hate the fire one got me killed more than helped.

[fresh reef]

I hope you get nurgled

[worthy wasp]

Surge = reliant on team to dps

Purg = reliant on team/bb for range damage

Trauma = ass

Void = bae

[bronze sierra]

imma spit some real truth, its honestly up to personal choice for what you enjoy, every staff has a use and can really excel in the right team, but use what yall enjoy the most and dont take the meta to be the end all

on a side note, whats yalls opion on

[left hare]

is surge staff better ST damage than brain bursting

[bronze sierra]

quell o brrt

[ornate hamlet]

Guys, im unable to decide which one to buy

[left hare]

Is there a lingering stun?

[weak galleon]

the saving grace of Purge is BB, it does slow you down considerably, but it's not like you are out of options for ranged combat.

[midnight violet]

just had a couple mean games with pugs tbh. dudes protected me while i lightninged and bb'd and actually paid attention when i was force sword stunning and rtan in to kill. was amazing when it works

[radiant jolt]

I'd go with Time Witch's Service Raiment

[limpid hill]

are there different types of staves?

[weak galleon]

Trauma is in such a horrible spot its surprising it didnt get a buff already.
We'll probably get another nerf first.

[limpid hill]

with different attacks/skills

[bronze sierra]

yea

[weak galleon]

yes, 3+1.

[ornate hamlet]

You think so, what about the Time Witch's Service Raiment, I think its slightly better than Time Witch's Service Raiment since Time Witch's Service Raiment has a nice color

[fresh reef]

"I used it once and never tried it again"

It's not too late to embrace your lord

[worthy wasp]

Psyker Melee Weapon Guide:

Force Sword: Fkn amazing 11/10

Other Weapons: There are other weapons?????

FAQ;

Q: "LOL FS GOT DOODOO CLEAVE HAHA what do you do vs hordes bruh???

A: Staffs exist nerd

[bronze sierra]

trauma, is short ranged fireball, surge is lightning, purgatus is flamethrower, and voidstrike turns you into functional direct fire artillery @limpid hill

[weak galleon]

I tried decent Traums. Still total garbage and waste of your time.

[patent ledge]

Trauma staff doing the lord's work, instilling trauma on psykers

[weak galleon]

the effect looks cool.

the results - not so much.

[teal cargo]

ST?

[left hare]

single target

[bronze sierra]

single target

[radiant jolt]

Fair point, in that case you should probably go with Time Witch's Service Raiment

[limpid hill]

damn, the game has more content than i thought, i wasnt liking the trauma staff

[tender cipher]

But are you going to say that it has 0% viable use?

[bronze sierra]

yeha

[worthy wasp]

FS covers all your single target needs tho

[midnight violet]

ok so am ive just showed up here, am i wrong ionking that its a bad idea to focus on bb and warp stacks? that its better to build for staffs and/orsword and just use bb when youre at range with nothing else to do?

[bronze sierra]

thats the general concensus, obviously theres gonna be people who love it tho jorge

pretty much

[tender cipher]

There's no general consensus, we're all split into different houses and factions.

[midnight violet]

cos so far ive found focusing on bb is a killer

[weak galleon]

Given all of it's drawbacks into account and comparing to alternatives?
I'll dare to say it's very close to that.

Maybe, if you create hyperdensity at a door, with Ogryn putting his shield down, letting enemies accumulate and clip into each other - yeah, I can see Trauma working in this specific condition.

[tender cipher]

And there's plenty of vacancy in House Trauma.

[bronze sierra]

even so vael, bb doesnt scale

[violet frost]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[bronze sierra]

literally i never use BB anymore

[fresh reef]

Literally Harry Potter houses and we're Slytherin so everyone hates us

[midnight violet]

thats what im finding at malice. so yes im right to ignore it.

[worthy wasp]

In-Depth Psyker Guide:

Spam Void Staff secondary attacks, if enemy gets in face dunk on them with FS special attack. Push if necessary, use light->heavy->push if necessary

[violet frost]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[weak galleon]

Slytherin weren't useless.

[tender cipher]

I was joking. It was a reference to you spending over an hour of your life wasting time on someone who said that secondary charge for BB had no use whatsoever.

[teal cargo]

Sounds like we're muggles 😭

[violet frost]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[weak galleon]

Oh. I didnt even notice I was answering to a different person 😄

...should pay more attention.

[midnight violet]

ok this is what im doing. i dont feel dumb now thanks.

[limpid hill]

did they change something on the game for gamepass? my game is suddenly super laggy and i havent done anything

[teal cargo]

Brain burst that bad?

[limpid hill]

i got kicked out of the game after using a force staff and everything turning grey lol

[bronze sierra]

it doesnt scale

literally no scaling

[teal cargo]

at all?

[bronze sierra]

nope

[frail spire]

when do u unlock void staff?

[bronze sierra]

around 20 i think?

[tender cipher]

BB doesn't scale, and in truth, the main point if you draw conclusions purely from game play is that it's meant to be an opener or a finisher.

[bronze sierra]

thats when it showed up for me

[fresh reef]

"guys I can't oneshot specials pls BB is so useless"

[limpid hill]

and im still unable to complete difficulty 3 at lvl 8 lol

[worthy wasp]

How to be a better Psyker:

Pretend Warp Charges and BB dont exist.

In fact, pick all the traits that allow you to ignore the fact they exist.

GG

[midnight violet]

it takes a 56k loading creen to finish its attack, and doesnt even kill in that time.

[bronze sierra]

thats the only real use ive found for it trauma

[limpid hill]

i just use bb for warp charges

[fresh reef]

They said with an mostly unmissable infinite use 1000+ damage attack

[bronze sierra]

i usually use it moreso to open up bulwarks and yeet hounds

[weak galleon]

Like, don't get me wrong - I spent alot of time as BW with Conflagration staff, after it's nerf even. I enjoy the idea and the playstyle.
Trauma isn't even close.

[teal cargo]

Yea not as good as Conflagration

Or corruscating

[worthy wasp]

Trauma Staff Guide:

Weapon Combos: Hold Alt+F4

[bronze sierra]

fire go brrt

[teal cargo]

Corruscating was a fun stafff

[bronze sierra]

i love invalidating cover from a mile away

[teal cargo]

So yikes just ignore brain burst and only use staffs?

[bronze sierra]

skim their head and you get a headshot

[weak galleon]

still is, best staff Sienna has, for higher difficulties.
Would also work pretty damn well in DTide, or even better due to presence of BB.

[limpid hill]

i just wished they improved enemy visibility

[midnight violet]

stop it, i havent even bought one yet, at this rate i never will.

[bronze sierra]

use it to open up enemies, weaken as a first strike pretty much @teal cargo

[worthy wasp]

FS is an awesome melee

Ignore bb

Then play how you want

[teal cargo]

How you build your warp charges?

[fresh reef]

"ignore a core part of your class"

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo BB is for killing snipers safely, and specials that are running away like bombers etc.

[bronze sierra]

get the psychic comunion

[worthy wasp]

Ignore it exists

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo warp charges are not too relevant.

[radiant jolt]

BB is great for achieving penances that require BB

[limpid hill]

i mean

[fresh reef]

4% coherency feat helps a lot

[limpid hill]

bb is good for killing dogs and snipers for sure

[radiant jolt]

for legal purposes this is a joke

[bronze sierra]

^

[worthy wasp]

Look

[bronze sierra]

it is a 4% per person in coherency

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo the antax mkv axe is awesome combined with peril block

[midnight violet]

ive killed so many elites with my charged FS. love it. its so satisfying. bonus points for a VC LEEEERRROOOOY

[hard breach]

Man looks like the vets can stop complaining now

[ruby merlin]

we're probably the strongest melee class tank wise IMO

[hard breach]

They fixed their toughness

[fresh reef]

On every single kill, so in T5 this is getting rolled hundreds of times per second

[bronze sierra]

oh bet

^

[candid temple]

if your team isn't in coherency, it's not a decent dif4-5 team.

[regal raft]

Oh nice, I can go play sharpshooter again then too, and wear my legendary 150 curios again

[sly thunder]

takes 2 bursts to kill a dog hmm

[weak galleon]

I'll disagree here.
3 pretty decent talents work off warp charges, especially toughness gain (and two level 30 ones). Which is also your only additional source of toughness during intense melee combat, when you run WC farming talents

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo we can block with peril instead of stamina, so this makes us the strongest melee class in the game for clutch play.

[fresh reef]

Literally just sneeze on them with a staff first lmfao

This is ong skill issue

[worthy wasp]

Dont go out of your way to get Warp Charges.

Take the traits that let you get them passively. Best one is Psychic Communion, its a must have. However, if you use a staff that hits fast then also pick up Kinetic Flayer. If using Purg, grab KF AND AB

[bronze sierra]

@weak galleon just use the warp attack oen then spam second staff attacks

[ruby merlin]

@weak galleon I hard disagree with that, because peril cost is GOOD for gaining toughness. I deliberately build peril on damnation just so I can use passive quell for free toughness. Making peril cost lower is bad for that playstyle.

[candid hawk]

BB is relevant for killing ogryn or anything with an armored helmet. Also warp charges can be oretty useful with the 6% peril resist and 6 warp stacks feat

[sly thunder]

Then have to charge a full BB while fighting a dog in staff range?

[tender cipher]

It takes two full void balls to kill a dog, which is faster than BB.

[candid temple]

kinetic flayer has 15s cooldown so you really trigger it normally.

[bronze sierra]

@worthy wasp not to mentioon the 10% brainburst auto attack one

[midnight violet]

can you please elaborate on this.

[ruby merlin]

Yep, ulti into bb spam on ogryns is decent on damnation as well.

[fresh reef]

Trauma stagger + BB is the most efficient for me personally

[worthy wasp]

Warp Charges are good, but if you are getting Warp Charges by spamming BB then lol

[bronze sierra]

especially on an AOE

[magic gull]

its pretty easy to maintain the charges at higher lvl, jsut bb those mobs every 25 sec. you dont need to 4 bb in a row everytime

[sage yacht]

Since the pre-order beta I have been looking for the Deflector blessing for the force sword and I have not seen a single one and it is driving me N U T S

[ruby merlin]

I personally hate the peril resist perk and will never take it, I want my fast peril so passive quell gives me toughness @candid hawk

[sly thunder]

I just Voidstrike Ball everything to death and forget BB exists tbh

[tender cipher]

I only use BB once on Ogryns if I see other people dealing with it just to open it up. I'll BB the melee ogryns down but the shield ogryns I ignore after 1 BB and same with reapers if I see someone targeting them.

[sly thunder]

Far better for me

[weak galleon]

I didnt mention making peril cost lower.
I know it's unpopular choice and can use a buff, but SBlaze can actually work on higher tiers , testing it now.

as for peril quell - what about clutch melee situations?

[bronze sierra]

@sly thunder pretty much me

[regal raft]

Trick for dog, if you can’t dodge it, jsut use your block attack (shove) with your force sword before or during its leap and you’ve cc’d them. Enjoy the free dog kill.

[candid hawk]

as opposed to waiting for a 4% proc chance? nobody is just spamming BB only lol

[candid temple]

Wait, does quietitude only with R?

[ruby merlin]

@weak galleon I clutch heresy pretty easily with the antax mkv axe and peril block

[worthy wasp]

Ye, I joke about ignoring BB exists... but really its:

Passively generate Warp Charges through your passives

Keep them up when they are about to fall off by BBing an enemy

[ruby merlin]

No need for any warp charges there.

[fresh reef]

It works with everything iirc

[tender cipher]

Why not just dodge to the side and stab it with FS as it lunges past you

[fresh reef]

From ability to passive quell

[bronze sierra]

musics pretty much summed it up

[regal raft]

Good question! Because some people are bad at it.

Skill issue

[tender cipher]

PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT

[bronze sierra]

or block them

[candid temple]

👀, passive as in just letting it decay?

[worthy wasp]

You generate most your Warp Charges passively, but when they are about to fall off then BB to refresh them. GG

[ruby merlin]

Anyone caring about warp charges is hurting their team IMO, take them passively from the feats, free warp charge from the auto bb etc.

[bronze sierra]

a buddy blocked it once

[ruby merlin]

Never refresh

[bronze sierra]

except for a penance

[weak galleon]

Yes, I use the same build. That doesn't mean there isn't a stronger one, imho - i mean in terms of toughness regen. Especially if you are in situation where switching to ranged is suicide.
Toughness on WC with passive wc gain is pretty good.

[ruby merlin]

because you could be doing something better in that moment unless you actually need to bb an ogryn, sniper or bomber.

[fresh reef]

Yeah but try not to do that, generally speaking. It's much faster to quell with a staff

[candid temple]

yeah, just in melee that means it's still good.

[regal raft]

I watched a zealot shove it mid air with his dinky combat knife, it was glorious

[fresh reef]

And if you find a trauma staff with good quell speed, 🙏

[candid temple]

besides complaining about BB, can we complain about level 30 only having BB talents

[bronze sierra]

ive poushed a grenade back a a bomber

[weak galleon]

because then you gain toughness for swinging your Mk5 axe.

[bronze sierra]

ascendant blaze is allright

[worthy wasp]

If you dont take free warp charge feat (the 10% chance on hit to BB) and take the 6 charges feat instead then you'll want to use BB if stacks are about to dropp

[teal cargo]

so lvl 30 does BB become good?

[ruby merlin]

@weak galleon IMO the passive quell + toughness gain on passive quell is just stronger. WC is just too clunky to bother with manually.

[bronze sierra]

its what i use

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp I mean I would never take the 6 stack perk, just the 10% one is too good to pass up.

[weak galleon]

why manually? you just swing your axe. That's entire point. No need to BB.

[ruby merlin]

there's nothing I use warp charges for.

[cyan echo]

wha, is there toughness gain on passive quelling?

[ruby merlin]

Yes

[cyan echo]

I thought it was only on active

[weak galleon]

wait

[ruby merlin]

Passive too

[weak galleon]

wait a fuckign second

[primal aurora]

Why sharpshooters give us shit for being mutants while they mutated to shit a whole grenade each minute?

[weak galleon]

it works on passive?

[cyan echo]

Smashing

[candid temple]

Quietitude big good if it does

[regal raft]

Yes it’s broken as shit

[ruby merlin]

@weak galleon yes it does, making warp charges irrelevant.

[worthy wasp]

I agree depending on the staff.

Issue I ran into with FS+Void is I dont get a load of hits. Quality rather than quantity

[weak galleon]

ohshi

[teal cargo]

passive quell is just letting it decay?

[cyan echo]

I thought for sure it was only on active quell

[weak galleon]

okay, I stand corrected.

i didn't even think they'd add in something as broken as that

[bronze sierra]

oh?

[worthy wasp]

IMO Void staff wants the 6 charges

[midnight violet]

the entire psyker feat selection is arse to be honest. to much focuses on warp charges and that just seems to be a death sentaence when SHTF

[teal cargo]

Whats so good bout that?

[fresh reef]

Yeah. 3 seconds of not gaining peril = peril goes down

[regal raft]

Literally, it invalidates every other tier 5

[bronze sierra]

i see

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo we have infinite toughness regen on demand, and we tank with peril, meaning every time we block, we gain toughness lol

ergo, going for warp charges is pointless.

[weak galleon]

and in addition to that, our passive quell, which has insane quelling rate by itself with non-force weapons, doesn't stop when we are getting hit and building peril

omfg.

[fresh reef]

The more I play Psyker the less I want buffs

[midnight violet]

toughness regen on demand? how wat am i missing?

[ruby merlin]

I mean power swords exist atm, so our class is fine.

[teal cargo]

wait what?

[weak galleon]

Yes.

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet level 5 feat, gain toughness on quell right? Level 20 feat, block with peril instead of stamina.

[primal aurora]

0_0, how do I do that?

[worthy wasp]

The thing is with Void Staff... spamming its secondary takes very little peril and you can chill at like 80-100% peril all day.

Take the trait that gives 5-15% power based on peril AND take the 6 warp charges... it adds up.

[regal raft]

Now also imagine a build, where you have 65% ult cd reduction, where you spam any of your staffs or FS special, then vent all your peril every 15 seconds while recovering your toughness from doing so on top of recovering toughness from every other source of quell

[fresh reef]

Quietude, tier 1 feat makes it so you regen 5toughness per 10peril quelled

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet So block = you gain peril. Time = you lose peril = you gain toughness. Ergo, infinite toughness lol.

[tall mesa]

jut like money

[candid temple]

I shoot people with staff

works with surge

[ruby merlin]

why bother with warp charges.

[fresh reef]

Facetanking a daemonhost will never not be funny

[midnight violet]

i thought it 3was toughness on perill QUELLED. so you have top get rid of it.

[bronze sierra]

shoot the armored ones @primal aurora

[teal cargo]

so just block and get toughness?

[hot ice]

i normally take the +6% peril res per warp stack, might change it to that

[ruby merlin]

@tall mesa I mean fractional reserve banking, Psyker edition 😄

[bronze sierra]

and teammates count as well

[weak galleon]

only place where I see it being much weaker is in BB chaining.
aka when you try to dish out as many BBs as possible.

You'll only be quelling down to 96-97%

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo yes, block you get peril, dodge a bit so peril drops passively = you get toughness. Epic clutch hard carry class.

We aren't the highest dps class, hence why I prefer the antax mkv axe

[worthy wasp]

That trait is awesome with staffs where you spam fully charged attacks and/or are peril hungry like Surge

[weak galleon]

but yeah, that's irrelevant, because if you are in position to spam BBs, you are not immediatelly endangered anyway

[ruby merlin]

if you want to just be a boring perma tank, run force sword with deflection and become a cc bot.

[candid temple]

force sword infinite dodges tho

[bronze sierra]

the way im runnin my feats are

[hot ice]

with it I can spam my flame staff like crazy so its great

[bronze sierra]

3/1/1/2/1/2

[ruby merlin]

@candid temple yeah, but without dps it's much harder to clutch IMO

[cyan echo]

lol, first MKV axe i find
NICE DMG SCORE

[regal raft]

I think we’re talking two different things

[worthy wasp]

Right, it works great with flame staff

[ruby merlin]

the axe gives you the dps

[worthy wasp]

I wouldnt recommend on Void tho

[weak galleon]

probably

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo get one with brutal momentum on it, infinite cleave on any headshot.

[hot ice]

saved my ass on a recent heresy run, had to fend off hordes from literally all around me LOL

[weak galleon]

wait

[bronze sierra]

may change my t5 to 3

[hot ice]

fully charge flame staff > spin like a madman since we were surrounded

[ruby merlin]

You got high first target, so it's high damage @cyan echo

[cyan echo]

its cquite cheap to buy a grey one and consecrate it to see what you get

[weak galleon]

does venting via ult also recovers toughness?

[hot ice]

[worthy wasp]

Void Staff requires a totally diff build than the other staffs and requires you to actually use BB if you want to maximize its effectiveness imho

[acoustic spade]

hmmm, worth it?

[midnight violet]

what im seeing is that many ways to play psyker and they all are good depending on your playstyle. thats good.

[cyan echo]

oh aye?

[violet frost]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[ebon jolt]

They fixed toughness!

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo yeah, for individual dps it'll melt mutants with light attacks etc.

[worthy wasp]

Ye

[teal cargo]

So you just block and gain a ton of toughness and all?

[ruby merlin]

Yep, gun builds work too

[ebon jolt]

Patch 1.0.13.

[teal cargo]

Whats with passive quell being slow on Force Sword?

[worthy wasp]

I've been memeing but in reality.... the only shitty psyker weap is Trauma staff

[ruby merlin]

@teal cargo the ELI5 version yes. In reality you need to dodge every now and then, because perma eating hits means your peril never drops.

So hold block, dodge when you need toughness

to attack back, push attack with the mkv antax axe

[hot ice]

and ur F ability comes in handy if you need to dump peril quickly

[gray kelp]

though with that being said fs has unlimited dodges currently even though they arent the greatest

[ruby merlin]

or if using a force sword, push, light heavy push.

[candid hawk]

ive been meaning to test this

[ruby merlin]

It does

[gray kelp]

it recovers yes

[ruby merlin]

gives you 25% on demand

but compared to peril block that's whatever lol

[bronze sierra]

time to make a hyper aggressive purger

[left hare]

i've just acquired block peril

[ruby merlin]

We are the best clutch class IMO

[hot ice]

to make ur dodges even better, you can change a dodge into a slide dodge and almost always dodge anything

[ruby merlin]

Gj, that's our keystone feat IMO @left hare

now you can perma block daemonhosts, hordes, ragers etc.

[worthy wasp]

Ye Psykinetic class needs a rework imo.

The ult should be the grenade and BB should be the ult imo. And make BB hit like a truck

[left hare]

i can perma block daemonhosts?

[ruby merlin]

Yep

[gray kelp]

I think its more like we have to work the most to be as effective as other classes so it feels like we're clutching lol

[ruby merlin]

we are stronger tanks than ogryns.

[hot ice]

slide dodges have saved my skin many times when I was charging my staff or charging BB in a horde

[left hare]

whats the rotation for that

[bronze sierra]

add that 250 hp

[left hare]

Just block and dodge a bit?

[gray kelp]

fs tank notwithstanding

[midnight violet]

some more serious metas will come when we start messing with crafting and damnation. till then, still hoping psykers feats get altered a bit to stop focusing on bb and warp charges cos fk that shit.

[ruby merlin]

@gray kelp I mean no other class can perma block and gain toughness from it lol

[bronze sierra]

and it gets binkers

[left hare]

to let the peril vent?

[bronze sierra]

bonkers*

[ruby merlin]

@left hare yep, dodge when you see it attack and just keep holding block, you can fail most of the dodges and you'll still perma block.

[left hare]

lolw

[ruby merlin]

As long as you don't eat every single attack for minutes, you're fine

[bronze sierra]

and add the deflection blessing

[ruby merlin]

same for plague ogryn, only attack you can't block is the stomp

so dodge back on stomp

@bronze sierra on damnation groups of range will still melt the peril block eventually.

so do keep LoS on ranged, or push them hard so they go into melee

I still prefer the axe due to the killing power on it.

[left hare]

need to test our surge staff

[ruby merlin]

dueling sword is neat too

[mental rock]

Does deflection work against sniper shots?

[gray kelp]

but yeah it's pretty staggering how survivable force sword blocking is w/deflector and kinetic deflection, I hard carried a group for an entire boss fight with like no effort

[left hare]

like am i left clicking ranged

[cyan echo]

hm just tried the axe out in meatgrinder, seems like the dps is much higher all-around, but it struggles a bit on Maniacs and Unyielding compared to the Force Sword

[hot ice]

i actually like the dueling sword

[ruby merlin]

@mental rock I mean I don't try that lol, but it should.

You should still dodge it anyway

[midnight violet]

oh thats a thing is suppression working? it so often seems like it does nothing like what the tutorial suggests

[left hare]

dueling sword is just rapier

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo light attack does more dps on mutants and ragers compared to heavies btw.

same for a lot of specials.

heavies are for armored things

[worthy wasp]

Yo, am I the only one thats lagging real fkn hard in game when joining games?

[ruby merlin]

and the ogryns.

[left hare]

check settings if its lag

[torpid hemlock]

No

[ruby merlin]

New nvidia drivers as well

[hot ice]

happens to me sometimes, goes away after a few seconds

[ruby merlin]

also fsr 2.0 performance helps a ton

[gray kelp]

i was lagging pretty badly recently myself

when I usually dont as I have good specs

[shell radish]

no, its fucking terrible

I also get MASSIVE fps drops during the lowvis maps when the fog clears

[cyan echo]

Ah

[hot ice]

also has anyone else's performance suffer a lot on the low-visibility modified maps? i had better performance during the beta

its so bad

😭

[stable ore]

did yall rebind anything for dodge+crouch for sliding, i'm trying to get it and hitting space and control together is just not clicking

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo in a clutch situation, spam push attacks on ragers for instanace, it's a super safe way to kill off an infinite number of ragers once you have peril block.

[cyan echo]

i tried putting dodge+crouch on the same button but it doesnt seem to work

[ruby merlin]

@stable ore shift is sprint, crouch is a mouse 5 button.

super easy slides

and shift is dodge too

it's the best setup

(at least IMO)

[left hare]

For the surge staff it seems quick charge left click is best?

[ruby merlin]

seperate sprint + crouch hands is how you can engage on enemy ranged the best.

[cyan echo]

if you purely want the cc yes

[ruby merlin]

@left hare Yep, that's the primary way to use it on damnation.

[shell radish]

why would I want to use the peril block feat?

[ruby merlin]

@shell radish It makes you invincible?

[shell radish]

oh shit

[left hare]

Cos u can run the gain toughness on peril quelled feat

[cyan echo]

it is the best thing about psyker

[ruby merlin]

Perma block hordes and bosses 😛

[left hare]

Now ur immortal

[keen sigil]

dueling sword is very good but bcs psyker does shit dmg and staves do shit dmg force sword is better to at least have the option to kill something

[stable ore]

you lose the peril super fast, i think it counts as quelling and you can tank almost everything

[ruby merlin]

@keen sigil Antax mk v axe is awesome, does insane damage.

[icy harbor]

cool, just logging into the game for the first time since last week (i missed the launch) and it gave me all the penances and some other shit

[midnight violet]

i have a mechanical keyboard so i can hold shift and touch ctrl with the bottom of the same finger to do it. but i cannotfigure out how it would be done otherwise. the controls for slide seem real janky.

[stable ore]

as in, its almost gone by the time you eat the next attack

[shell radish]

so you pair it with the +toughness for quelled peril?

[hot ice]

i use shift in V2 to dodge, so im doing the same in Darktide

[left hare]

yea

[ruby merlin]

@shell radish that's right

[left hare]

its crazy good

[shell radish]

hmmm

[keen sigil]

yep axe is very nice as well the dgger too if you get bleed on it

[icy harbor]

why is there a helmet for the psyker?

[left hare]

also surge staff kinda amazing

[shell radish]

I've been using voidstrike

[left hare]

reminds me of the kerillian cc staff

[ruby merlin]

you can now hard carry and clutch every game if you have the skills to do so, there's no situation where you go "I couldn't have played better and I still died".

[left hare]

saves the team so hard

[ruby merlin]

If you die on a psyker with peril block, you misplayed somehow.

[hot ice]

voidstrike is 👌

[left hare]

I reject hoarde clear

I embrace anti armor

[ruby merlin]

Any pug on damnation can clear hordes anyway

it's the crushers that wipe people 😛

[left hare]

Yup

Hoarde damage is whatever

[hot ice]

snipers

[midnight violet]

careful. your kinda wrong.

[shell radish]

I havent seen a single surge staff, thats the flamethrower one right?

[left hare]

If ur team dies to sniper they're trolling

[ruby merlin]

Oh yeah snipers

[keen sigil]

hordes are meaningless the only thing that make runs fail are gunners and lasgun assholes

[hot ice]

flame is the purgatus

[ruby merlin]

but only if they kinda suck

[left hare]

surge is palpatine lightning

[hot ice]

snipers are scary when they are hidden behind a horde

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet I mean you are basically invincible if you play correctly, so yes, if you die it's your fault.

[shell radish]

dude maybe I'm missing somethign with that one

it just felt so awful to use lol

[left hare]

u right click left click immediately

[hot ice]

thye always manage to get that first shot off to down someone

[icy harbor]

since when does psyker have this helmet?

[left hare]

and u perma cc elites

[keen sigil]

snipers are legit the only thing BB is useful for

[ruby merlin]

Bombers too, when they run away

snipers and bombers, bb those

[midnight violet]

tell me howe to be invincible.

[ruby merlin]

and ogryns when you ulti

[hot ice]

bro they crouch so when i jump sometimes i cant target them with BB

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet We already talked about it lol, peril block + toughness on quell.

You can't die anymore to any melee

bosses included

[hot ice]

especially if they're pixel peeking lol

[river sand]

block, postitioning, kill and you dont take dmg 😉

[ruby merlin]

then you just LoS and pull back when everyone else dies till you clear all.

[tacit fractal]

Since launch, you got it for either pre-ordering or like my friend day 1

[stiff orchid]

can someone explain warp battery to me? I've had max warp charges for nearly the entire game and it still only counted 200 seconds

[keen sigil]

tooltip is wrong you gotta do it on 1 higher difficulty

[ruby merlin]

@river sand The only way I think you do die is if you have a daemon host + a plague ogryn on you at the same time lol

[vernal imp]

I'm making a Psyker to take a break from other classes, whats yall favourite voices

[ruby merlin]

But in that case you're screwed anyway in a 1 vs all XD

[stiff orchid]

that's fixed

[left hare]

the one that kerillian voices

[shell radish]

the gay psychopath

[keen sigil]

ah didint know

[hot ice]

seer

[ruby merlin]

Loner is great

[cyan echo]

Itipopo voice

[ruby merlin]

You have lines like "BOW AND WORSHIP ME"

and you talk about the carrior emperor lol

[hot ice]

the "my beloved" lines are great on seer

[ruby merlin]

(female loner)

[tacit fractal]

I sense foreshortened lifespans

Male loner is amazing too

[ruby merlin]

the female french voice is the imperial psyker, does things by the book.

[hot ice]

NO NOT FOUR SHORTENED

[river sand]

demonhost can do nothing, as long as you have peril instead of stamina perk you can tank him all day long

[midnight violet]

how is that any different to any other cvharacter playing well? i mean that still means your team has be doing something for you to HAVE decent postioing...all classes the ability to be invincible at times by that same reasoning. you can still fk up. its not invincibility, thats skill.

[ruby merlin]

@river sand Yep, but if it was the daemonhost + a plague ogryn + some other stuff, you will die

because they will eventually get through the peril

but that's a super edge case

[hot ice]

kinetic deflection gives you so much leeway tho

[river sand]

then you always got dodging ^^

[ruby merlin]

@river sand haha yeah

[hot ice]

compared to other classes

[ruby merlin]

but it's super hard at that point

because how do you do the dps to the daemon host when your team is dead D:

[cyan echo]

Block-attack

[icy harbor]

oh ok

[river sand]

or kite him down a ledge

[midnight violet]

maybe i just need to g it gud then lol

[ruby merlin]

doesn't quite work, the daemonhost can get through your block at that moment, so you gotta time it perfectly. With a plague ogryn around you'll mess up

@cyan echo this is only for two bosses or more at the same time lol

[river sand]

psyker is just immortal. the only reason a psyker dies is when he choses to

[ruby merlin]

one boss + mobs, fine whatever

[hot ice]

slide dodge the daemonhost, if you time it right he will whiff almost half his combo on you

[ruby merlin]

Yep, we're lore accurate 😄

Yeah I normally do @hot ice

But in the case with dual bosses it'll become too hectic for most

especially since mobs generally spawn too

[hot ice]

never had dual bosses yet, so ill be in for a surprise when that happens

[ruby merlin]

so you gotta watch out for trappers + other stuff while you block + dodge the host and plague ogryn lol

kinda hard

@hot ice I think triple boss is technically possible XD

[random brook]

is there a helmet after this one?

[ruby merlin]

assassination mission

[tacit fractal]

4 stack psykers ready to explode near the assassination target only to notice there’s 3 snipers in 3 different corners

[ruby merlin]

daemon host + end boss + plague or nurgle

[hot ice]

[midnight violet]

you guys arent wrong, i have pulled of some nuts stuff in my games. but i always felt like any other class has tools to do similiar clutches in their own way.

[ruby merlin]

I've only seen double boss though

[shrewd plinth]

dang you managed pick n mix? grats!

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet We clutch the best on damnation IMO

[left hare]

i really dunno how to infinite block daemonhost

[ruby merlin]

other classes clutch with dps more

@left hare Just walk up to it, press block

[left hare]

I blocked for like 30 seconds

then went down

[ruby merlin]

When it's in the middle of swinging.

Dodge

[random brook]

ty boss

[tacit fractal]

You don’t

[hot ice]

definitely, but none of the other classes can solo-tank like a psyker with kinetic deflection

[ruby merlin]

@left hare you also use ulti to drop peril

[left hare]

yeah did that a bit too

[ruby merlin]

that's included in perma block

[left hare]

the attack pattern is so fast

[ruby merlin]

But just spam dodge every now and then basically

peril block gives you so much leeway

you don't need to react, just predict

you'll guess right enough times

[hot ice]

have kinetic deflection > time your slide dodges against him to make him miss half his combo > profit

[left hare]

i did not slide dodge

[ruby merlin]

normal dodge works

[hot ice]

thats your issue

[bronze sierra]

this worth the pick up bois?

[tacit fractal]

It’s a body of a human getting puppeted by a daemon like it’s a toy what did you expect

[errant nimbus]

Normal dodge also works

[ruby merlin]

I just normal dodge in the middle of their triple attack combo, never fails for me

[random brook]

wtf where are all the heresy missions?

[hot ice]

with slide dodging you can also regain some stamina if he hits you to critical peril and you take stamina loss, which is why i do it

[left hare]

how many dodges before dodge decay for force sword

[midnight violet]

you guys are selling me on sticking with it and masterying it. im egging you on and picking at you to get more tricks and info out of you to validate my addiction to psyker lol

[left hare]

and does jumps still reset dodges?

[random brook]

psyker is a support class, every class does it better than it except surge staff exists, even ogryn tanks better than us even with that feat

[analog juniper]

yes

[bronze sierra]

Bet

[ruby merlin]

@random brook I hard disagree with that, psyker is the best swiss army knife. Can carry in any group in any situation.

[stuck basalt]

only time i think ogryn better is reviving, other time i think ogryn is as weak as others

[errant nimbus]

Tell that to my friends who play ogryn and keep being rez'd by me.

[ruby merlin]

If you run peril block the psyker beats orgryn at reviving.

[random brook]

that too, the deflection with res is better than any other class

[ruby merlin]

Ogryn beats us at closing the distance vs ranged and forcing them into melee, that's basically it IMO.

With the antax axe, we have good melee dps + infinite block, so yeah

[bronze sierra]

Me over here with my 250 hp psyker, gonna make a terrifying tanky boi

[ruby merlin]

it's nice to clutch

[errant nimbus]

Ogryn honestly needs some work. They are supposed to be so tanky but the reality is they just aren't. They have amazing stagger and not being slowed carrying stuff is cool. Shield is cool. But they need some tweaking.

[random brook]

don't get me wrong, I love psyker, I just think that if you don't play surge staff / force sword with deflection, you're nerfing yourself because imo it's the only viable build in damnation / heresy

[ruby merlin]

Ogryn is the true backline support IMO

[hot ice]

purgatus does well in heresy

[ruby merlin]

@random brook I disagree, if you run the force sword, run an anti horde weapon. And use the sword for CC

If you run surge, run the dps melee

[midnight violet]

no. ive had teams with 2 or 3 psyker sand an ogryn that absolutly wrecked withought even stopping. the only support class, is a player thats not doing their job as best they can.

[errant nimbus]

Recon lasgun does great on heresy

[ruby merlin]

Axe or dueling sword

[errant nimbus]

Forcesword does great

[olive ember]

Force sword is a dps melee tf?

[random brook]

axe is great but without the passive attack speed of zealot it feels so slow

[olive ember]

why would you waste your time with an axe

[ruby merlin]

Ogryn is really good at support due to being able to carry the obj fast, helping group regen toughness, closing gab vs ranged to force them into melee etc.

@olive ember Because the axe is godtier?

[random brook]

I don't agree with this

[ruby merlin]

Can infinitely survive in a horde, high dps

[errant nimbus]

Axes are pretty good, I just personally don't like them.

[olive ember]

you can do that with a force sword, better dps

[ornate hamlet]

I use a BB build and I succeed just fine with it on heresy and damnation. I switch between that and a purga build. I dont use those crutches in case it gets nerfed which it likely will be seeing how everyone is sharing it here.

[ruby merlin]

No, the axe way beats the sword on dps

you can infinitely cleave with the axe on the antax

[olive ember]

it really doesn't

[ruby merlin]

one light attack, 10 dead mobs

[olive ember]

not on the targets that matter

[ruby merlin]

If you use the special attack, you aren't on damnation

or it's the last mob left

[analog juniper]

can the axe get 2000+ dmg on an enemy?

[ruby merlin]

that one sec lock is death

[random brook]

every build is a bb build, every other level 30 feat is poop

[frigid marten]

Horde clear matters

[ruby merlin]

@analog juniper On multiple enemies in one light attack, yes

If you can use the special on the force sword on damnation and it doesn't kill you, show me the clip please

[olive ember]

which axe are you using in particular lmao

[ruby merlin]

I've never done it on damnation, can only use the light heavy push combo there.

[random brook]

the only axe worth using imo is antax

[olive ember]

if you somehow die from the 1 sec lock i frankly think thats a skill issue

[ruby merlin]

Antax Mk V Combat axe

the only good axe

[olive ember]

i'll give the axe a whirl tho

[random brook]

and even then, you shouldn't use it on psyker imo

[analog juniper]

I dont record my gameplay but I run staff and force sword always

[cyan echo]

excited to try it in Heresey

[ruby merlin]

Oh damnation any number of things will kill you when the rest of the team is dead.

[olive ember]

like if a 1 sec lock will kill you then I guess zealots and chainsword vets should just not play

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo if you get surrounded, just spam push attacks 😄

[midnight violet]

psyker already been nerfed. if anything gets nerfed, it'll be veteran. and if it isnt, there'll be an upraor.

[ruby merlin]

@olive ember Play on damnation, get the rest of your team to die off

[cyan echo]

if i get surrounded, a few voidstrike blasts clears most things 🙂

[ruby merlin]

that's where the axe really shines to clutch

2 or 3 dead, the axe can recover still

[keen sigil]

veteran got nerfed tho from 25% dmg based on distance to 20 and from 45sec free grenade to 60sec

[ornate hamlet]

Dawg they arent gonna let infinite toughness stay and you know it. Its best not to get too comfy with it and veteran is fine as is rn. Its their weapons that carry.

[ruby merlin]

Nerf vet to 100 toughness 😛

and take away the powersword

[olive ember]

I mean I have 3 classes to 30 and I'm leveling zealot so

[errant nimbus]

Shhhhhh my vet friends hear you say that one they'll come for you

[weary wasp]

the biggest nerf to vet is it's average main

[ruby merlin]

Rofl

[olive ember]

so I'm set unless they nerf every class

[midnight violet]

wow instant vet defense haha. good to know. look i hVE NO ISSUE WITH VET. I DONT WANT IT NERFED

oops hiot caps

[random brook]

why? power sword deserves a nerf

[errant nimbus]

Oh it definitely does

[ruby merlin]

I mean why does vet have more toughness than zealot, doesn't make much sense to me

[analog juniper]

dont nerf power sword, give it to all classes and buff Psyker BB

[olive ember]

its supposed to be so they can effectively counter shooters

[tired carbon]

to encourage gunfights

[ruby merlin]

@olive ember they get ghost on their guns, and camo

camo exists

[ornate hamlet]

I forgot people complain about any weapon they cant use lol.

[olive ember]

well yea, but i don't think alot of peopel run camo

[lucid mortar]

What's the difference between an "Elite" and "Specialist" enemy?

[cyan echo]

Shooter? I hardly know her

[random brook]

the only buff bb needs is one shotting dogs always

[weary wasp]

because toughness is primary there to save ass from ranged damage, when zealot is expected to tie the ranged enemies in melee

[midnight violet]

because i think everyone else should balance out as well?

[keen sigil]

elite is big boy, specialist is disabler

[olive ember]

alot run the 75% toughness on volley fire I believe

[ruby merlin]

@ornate hamlet I'll 100% bet that the devs nerf the power sword.

[lucid mortar]

thank you

[ruby merlin]

Hammer has no niche while the powersword exists

[hot ice]

because they are then encouraged to trade in gunfights

since thats their job

to kill ranged threats

[ornate hamlet]

only cause yall whine about weapons other people have. stay content with our weapons. Veterans are made to be CC and Elite killers, power swords compliment the playstyle.

[cyan echo]

its quite fun to advance on a gunline with a force sword deflector and just no-sell the barrage to force them into melee

[ruby merlin]

@hot ice I mean they're special killers atm, ogryn and zealots just gap close ranged, problem solved.

[olive ember]

Honestly, with how toughness works rn I think its prob better to just have as little toughness as possible for melee classes to get that 100% dmg reduction

[midnight violet]

this

[keen sigil]

say that to the 90% of the pub vets that either dump their bolter into hordes or stay in melee 90% of the time while the lasgun guardsmen squad shreds the team to pieces

[ruby merlin]

I mean I have a vet, power sword is zzz

[sly thunder]

I mean, I suppose this is true. Death is the best CC :D

[ruby merlin]

trivializes too much

[olive ember]

I mean I use the power sword, I think its a bit cheesy with the cleave but I still uses it so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bronze sierra]

siblings wish me luck on my sword upgrade

[silver root]

Idk if i have a bad force sword with low stam or im not usinng it properly. The deflect trait goes down quick and its not the oh shit melee weapon i want it to be. Is it just light-light-push? Or something else I should be doing

[ornate hamlet]

proceeds to speak about a class exploit for infinite toughness then proceeds to complain about powersword

[hot ice]

the most played class has the most amount of noobs who dont understand their role, colour me shocked

[random brook]

use the peril block feat

[ruby merlin]

Vet should have the role of elite killer, which they're very good at atm.

[olive ember]

if you run deflect trait run the peril block trait, the horde clear combo is light - heavy - push or heavy - heavy - push

[worthy wasp]

exploit lol

[ruby merlin]

ogryn can cc the ranged mobs best by charging and.

[silver root]

Thanks siblings

[errant nimbus]

Comparing to other swords it is phenomenal. You might just need to get used to it. One thing to mind is it's designed for single target damage, not cleaving.

[analog juniper]

what infinite toughness exploit?

[hot ice]

of course, but when the ranged threat is the entire room away, a charge isnt gonna cover the distance before you get focused and killed if you do so

[weary wasp]

light 1 heavy 1 block cancel/push

[hot ice]

vets still are the best class to trade in gunfights

[ornate hamlet]

Force Sword is dope for killing chunky boys. special spam, grab enemies to gather them up. Dodge around then, best way to get out of a pickle.

[bronze sierra]

i got a +4% melee crit chance

[ruby merlin]

@hot ice generally if they are alert already, just LoS. If not alert, free charge.

[hot ice]

they even take reduced ranged dmg on their alt

[bronze sierra]

was hoping for block efficiency

[worthy wasp]

Bruh.

BB = Should be the ult

Ult = Should be the grenade

[ruby merlin]

@ornate hamlet Imagine if the force sword was the power sword and vice versa.

[sly thunder]

Quick push or charged push?

[silver root]

Ya i guess thats my issue im lookingtowards my melee as an oh shit im surrounded when i should have better positioning?

[ruby garden]

So I gotta ask, "going out with a bang", how the heck do you pull that off

[midnight violet]

TBH vet SHOULD be the all round class that is good at range and can hold its own in melee. he should be, but he does seem just a bit better at everything than everyone else.

[ruby merlin]

I would still say the infinite cleave one shot kill is OP

[weary wasp]

quick. charged only pushes one enemy

[worthy wasp]

Buff BB and make it the ult

[keen sigil]

by griefing

[ornate hamlet]

Reason I dont complain about power swords. We have equally powerful swords it balances out.

[ruby garden]

amazing design

[hot ice]

wait whats LoS again lmao

[ruby merlin]

@ornate hamlet I don't even use the force sword because I think it's shit

[bronze sierra]

Line of sight

[ruby merlin]

I do use the powersword though

[errant nimbus]

Oh that is when I pull out my sword, put you need to really make use of it's amazing block potential to survive.

[hot ice]

i see

[sly thunder]

Oof I see, no wonder I bounced straight off Force Sword.

[ruby garden]

so I gotta have a shield ogryn buddy lock down 3 ragers, soften them up without killing them, then suicide bomb them

I guess??

[olive ember]

My friends made fun of my drip and asked if I was getting ready for Christmas >.> Thanks armor color palette

[past wing]

What level do I unlock the lightning weapon? I forget what it’s called…

[bronze sierra]

i mean yeah, its line of sight @hot ice

[ornate hamlet]

wrong @ sorry legion

[ruby merlin]

Force sword is only good for deflection IMO, that's the niche.

[keen sigil]

yes or pray that ur team wipes and have 3 ragers pummel on their corpses so u can suicide into them

[ornate hamlet]

personal opinion saved many runs using force sword amazing special killers

[errant nimbus]

I mean, and killing specials

[ruby garden]

I swear the force sword had a way better moveset in the first beta

[ruby merlin]

@ornate hamlet all damnation runs?

[worthy wasp]

Tbqh of all the classes to get powersword its kinda dumb that its the dedicated gun class.

Thatd be like if Executioner Sword in vt2 was a Waystalker Kerillian exclusive

[ruby merlin]

Anything below you can use whatever and win easily.

[ornate hamlet]

no I only play malice after spending 101 hours on darktide..

[sly thunder]

Honestly same, I remember really enjoying it, but in second beta it felt ass and I do not know why

[ruby merlin]

Well malice anything works

you could run some tactical axes and no perks

[ornate hamlet]

yes damnation Ive saved many runs with it there

[ruby merlin]

clear at level 3

[ornate hamlet]

sarcasm.

[past wing]

The force sword is tough since you can’t really dodge well

[spark forum]

pugging anything over malice atm is just a suicide mission because u have no idea how good or bad your team will be

[silver root]

When leveling is it worth to do any difficulty above 1? Do u see significantly better gear drops on higher difficulties?

[hot ice]

i think its fine honestly, all classes have their cool weapons

[worthy wasp]

You can block well tho

[spark forum]

unless ur on lower hordes and even then its gamble

[ruby garden]

half the time pugging malice is suicide

[ruby merlin]

you can carry heresy pugs pretty easily

damnation pugs are fun

[cyan echo]

I dont know, most time with Heresy pug now we make it just find

[spark forum]

what setup u using to carry heresy?

[cyan echo]

fine

[ruby garden]

well wish me luck in my epic quest to somehow get going out with a bang

[ruby merlin]

Any good vet/zealot/psyker can carry heresy if you can kill snipers

[ornate hamlet]

grapple, push, slice and mince. Use special, repeat. Its about who uses it. Bad psykers who suck at using the force sword dont benefit. Psykers that can dance and utilize its moveset well find themselves near immortal.

[ruby garden]

cos I don't know how the devs intend for it to be done

[cyan echo]

Force Sword and Voidstrike

[ruby merlin]

@spark forum antax mkv axe, any staff you like, proper positioning.

Damnation I would prefer surge staff

[cyan echo]

Heresy is only hard when people dont stick together imo

[hot ice]

might have to pick up the antax axe, sounds like a fun weapon

[silver root]

Grapple?

[ruby merlin]

@ornate hamlet the axe makes you near immortal, but I'm also near immortal on my vet lol.

[ornate hamlet]

use secondary, it grabs, dont release spam it over and over when you need distance or space.

[ruby merlin]

at least if the toughness bug is gone

I can do a melee only vet

[olive ember]

yeah the antax axe seems aight in the meat grinder but I do also have slaughterer on my force sword which makes it perform similarly to the axe imo

[hot ice]

toughness bug?

[olive ember]

but hey ik which axe to run on my zealot until I get thunder hammer

[ruby merlin]

@hot ice vets taking 10% hp hits at max toughness due to the bug

[ornate hamlet]

same 15*5 stacks and I constantly kill so my force sword does so much damn damage its nutty'

[spark forum]

antax is primarily single target right?

[hot ice]

yikes

[cyan echo]

once we get crafring in, I'm really gonna make some busted items

[ruby merlin]

@olive ember I 100% prefer it over the hammer on zealot personally.

[hot ice]

oops wrong person pinged

[left hare]

hammer is so slow

[ruby merlin]

@spark forum it's multi target, cleaves everything with brutal momentum

[ornate hamlet]

happened to me too dw

[hot ice]

xd

[olive ember]

gotta level up my zealot to see but I'm thinking of running hammer + flamer so flamer is for the hordes, hammer for everything else

[ruby merlin]

@spark forum it's a power sword that isn't as strong basically.

Because power swords one shot elites, axe doesn't. That's the main diff

[midnight violet]

i have some ideas too. i mean with the crappy psyker feats, weapon blessings ARE its build determination

[cyan echo]

for sure, the true classes were with us all along XD

[ornate hamlet]

I dunno man psyker is really fun. If they buff em I wouldnt mind but rn theyre extremely fun. Whenever I play it with my friend group they depend on me like a sacred relic to guide them through damnation.

[ruby merlin]

But yes, is there any vet that doesn't use the power sword?

That's the main criteria for a nerf IMO.

[amber canyon]

what's everyone's thoughts? yay or nay?

[spark forum]

so one like this then?

[agile pewter]

The fuck power sword you've been using to 'one' shot elites? you play on 1-2 dif?

[ornate hamlet]

really good

[olive ember]

I think the most power trippy moment I've had on psyker so far tbh was when I surge staff cc'ed 3 dogs at once

[ornate hamlet]

its what Im saying lol

[ruby merlin]

@agile pewter Shotgunners, bombers etc

[spark forum]

Good, warp resistance is low though and surge builds peril like crazy

[midnight violet]

disagree. why cant the vet have a good melee option?

[ruby merlin]

@spark forum and yes, that one, but try to get brutal momentum on it.

[olive ember]

warp resistance is an oofer, traits aren't that good tbh, everything else seems aight

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet It's about weapon diversity.

Like psykers run the dueling sword, axe, and force

[hot ice]

^

[cyan echo]

What is the veterans weakness supposed to be?

[shrewd plinth]

think a lot of ppl get weird ideas about what damage they're doing because they don't realise others in team are doing damage too

[ruby merlin]

Zealots run axes, hammer, sometimes dagger

Vets only run power swords

[ornate hamlet]

dw about warp resistance you have warp nexus more peril = benefit. So I say its good. Just learn to switch around and get behind cover to relax your peril once in awhile.

[ruby merlin]

Zealots run chainswords too sometimes, and evis of course

[hot ice]

shooting at trash instead of the very real ranged/special threats

[errant nimbus]

Makes me miss scoreboards.

[midnight violet]

vats have lotsa guns? wehy do they need all to diversity?

[ruby merlin]

@shrewd plinth can't have weird ideas about damage when your team is dead 😛

@midnight violet I mean vets run power sword in the melee slot, that's basically a given.

Would you run anything else?

[peak spruce]

What exactly is a "Force Weapon Attack"?

[olive ember]

fuck its ventilation purge today

[midnight violet]

uh sorry, few beersies, not typing good. i ment. vets have lotsa guns, why do they need lots of melee options?

[ruby merlin]

Like I ignore the force sword completely and can carry damnation with the axe at times if I play right.

[hot ice]

ventilation purge is ass, it shits on performance

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet It's a general rule, if one option beats every other option, that's bad balance.

[olive ember]

any attack that builds peril, so force sword special, staffs, brain burst

[ruby merlin]

Vets should have tradeoffs

like zealots

Axe vs thunder hammer vs evis vs dagger vs chainsword

all are valid

[ornate hamlet]

wait till buddy hears about 97% resistance zealots.

[hot ice]

as much as i love the power sword on vet, it is the only melee weapon i see on them on higher difficulties

[ruby merlin]

Like is there a point to any other weapon on vet?

[cyan echo]

Do you record anything? I'd love to see what your flow is

[vocal agate]

becouse its overtuned af

[midnight violet]

see this is one thing thing that makes not really trust your opinion. becuase your opinion revolves around what happens when your playing like a god. and thats not always how poepl;e play. its not realkistic.

[olive ember]

the power sword cleave is nutty, and theres no reason to bring something like the chain sword cuz why would you need to use chain sword special when you can magdump a bolter into a special

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo I mostly try to copy j_sat's gameplay, but I do it worse and he uses a dueling sword.

[olive ember]

or even just a recon las

[cyan echo]

dont know who that is, but imma try the axe today

[ruby merlin]

@cyan echo https://www.twitch.tv/j_sat

[hot ice]

people can pop off and play shit, its not exclusive to any 1 person

[ruby merlin]

he uses the dueling sword, but you can use the axe in almost the same way

[olive ember]

dueling sword I heard had good dodge n shit but meh I ride or die with my force sword reee

[ornate hamlet]

if you want to survive alot of intense moments as someone who may not be as skilled as people here flex just run a force sword. Learn to keep yourself alive by using it and shell treat you right. Trust me, my baby force sword* has carried me through being a new born to a deity on damnation. Axes are a snooze fest. In the end its up to you. With axes you have to be careful.

[midnight violet]

thats my point...

[shy turret]

Is it me or is force staff literal dogshit

[errant nimbus]

Trauma?

[shy turret]

yeah

[ruby merlin]

IMO axe is way easier and more versatile than the force sword.

[errant nimbus]

Yeah.

[hot ice]

wdym

my point is that anyone can play like a god given the right circumstances in a game

[devout belfry]

It's called the trauma staff because you need a lifetime of trauma to want to use it.

[ruby merlin]

Only reason I'd use the force sword is for deflection.

@midnight violet I mean the point of tide games (at least for me) is to try to play like a god

[ornate hamlet]

till you get got by a horde and lose cc. push is temporary, with grapples you can literally get enemies off of you more effectively.

[shy turret]

I just want to get the penance but the staff doesnt even reliably push shit

[hot ice]

also to be brutally honest, if you are playing anything less than decent on higher difficulties that is on you

[errant nimbus]

I use force sword for the deflection AND the elite killing.

[midnight violet]

thats exactly what i do when shit hits the fan, ive clutched many games just cvos i switched to force sword. i mean vet having their own clutch melee shouldnt be a big deal. all classesd have their clutch weps.

[ripe stone]

the Trauma staff is a great staff to start understanding how staves work... it's baby's first staff... move up to the surge or the purgatus afterwards tho

[ornate hamlet]

fr like I said my baby force sword has saved my skin so many times.

[ruby merlin]

@ornate hamlet with proper positioning you'd be fine, plus in a 1 vs all situation you gotta know when to pull back and when to hold chokes anyway.

Save as on vet, except power sword lets me clear faster 😛

[hot ice]

the point is, is that power sword is the ONLY weapon that vets will run because it is so overtuned compared to any other weapon they have

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet Thing is, other classes have diff weapons to clutch on

vets have powersword

that's it

[ornate hamlet]

not true, vets usually run either chain or power depending if theres sufficient cc or not.

[hot ice]

change to anything not a power sword and that veteran will see their gameplay suffer instantly

[ruby merlin]

it's too strong relative to other choices

[left mirage]

classic fatshark

[ruby merlin]

I'd never trade my axe for a force sword

[left mirage]

mutie gave me a behind the scenes look at the control rod map

[deft heart]

deflector is just too good

[hot ice]

yeah if you're in a party, but pubs only run power if solo queueing

[wise ruin]

force sword is really good if u get good perks with it

[hot ice]

because why trust randos for CC

[ruby merlin]

yeah damnation 4 mans are kinda static atm.

Pug damnations are way more fun.

[empty granite]

Those of you that love and swear by the Dueling Sword. Which Mk is your favorite and how to you handle horde vs elites with it?

[ruby merlin]

Because you do have to clutch a lot

[long wharf]

FS added stamina usage for block pushing with the force sword 😦

[wise ruin]

i think it was always there?

[ruby merlin]

@empty granite best dueling sword gameplay I've seen is by J_sat, look him up

lots of good footage there

[long wharf]

I must have never noticed it, then

[ruby merlin]

(it's on twitch I believe)

[inland sphinx]

Hellloooooo Veteran here, why do you magic people hate us 😦

[ornate hamlet]

dawg gonna be honest I never really used block pushing.. only grapple since it uses peril instead of stamina.

[empty granite]

Oh? He uses it?

[ruby merlin]

Yep

[hot ice]

we dont, we are just discussing your power sword

[midnight violet]

but vets do so much better with ranged weps, and have the most diversity with ranged weps. whats wrong with them only having one good melee? whats actually wrong with that?

[candid temple]

for the basic push or the level 2 push?

[ripe stone]

We don't hate you, we just don't like you, because you have an OP weapon.

[inland sphinx]

oooo, good weapon very braindead

[midnight violet]

i mean thats their only single issue...so what

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet I mean why tunnel vision into ranged for vet, they're also the best melee dps lol.

[ripe stone]

but it's not hate.

[ruby merlin]

And for the most part, all the pug vets run bolter lol

[deft heart]

i mean vets basically do everything it seems like our class was designed to do but infinitely better, we just CC elites with lightning

[ripe stone]

the hate? we keep that for the Zealots. 😉

[empty granite]

Is there a more recent video than a month ago about it?

[hot ice]

because weapon diversity for melee is good

[candid temple]

is it tho?

[ornate hamlet]

we are a support role thats why lol.

[ruby merlin]

@empty granite https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1665182358

four days ago

[candid temple]

oh damn

how do I get that

[ruby merlin]

@ornate hamlet we can be a hard carry role, not a support. Same as a zealot or vet.

If you use the force sword yes, you become a strong support cc bot

[midnight violet]

THATS what i was looking for. vet does roles better that other classes are ment to do. thats the answer. it doesnt matter that he has one wep to make up for his lack of melee ability, its the fact he does EVERYTHING BETTER. thats the issue.

[ornate hamlet]

the class was catered to support tho. Yes any class can theoretically hard carry. We are meant as support tho. Veterans are all out dps.

[candid temple]

ehh

[ruby merlin]

I mean I prefer a good zealot vs a good vet, simply because zealots know how to tie up massed groups of ranged

ogryns are good for that too

[candid temple]

csgod veteran can pew pew well, but that's all they really can do.

[ruby merlin]

vets just power sword and makes everyone else cc because their dps is top tier. It will be nerfed, I guarantee it.

[deft heart]

nah vet just does everything... zealot has flamethrower and best grenade

[midnight violet]

this is what i think

[candid temple]

power sword being good / other weapons being lackluster, means weapons aren't balanced well.

[ruby merlin]

Yep

[midnight violet]

exactly

[devout belfry]

Welcome to the tide.

[candid temple]

vet itself is mediocre for melee, carried hard by the weapon

[ruby merlin]

It will be nerfed because it's too strong, removes other options.

I want to see shovels in end game

[devout belfry]

May I interest you in the myriad shit weapons of Vermintide?

[ruby merlin]

like have a reason for all the different weapons to exist

[candid temple]

yup, but the outliers got nerfed eventually

took longer if they were paid dlc stuff for elf tho

[ruby merlin]

yeah, like 1h sword shade builds are a thing now.

[candid temple]

also javelin

[devout belfry]

I mean, most of the weapons are severely outclassed even now lol

[ruby merlin]

And it isn't just s+d everything

[hot ice]

bad take, because of the fact that vermintide is a lot more melee focused, and classes buff melee a lot so even shit weapons become decent

[candid temple]

'eeeh, it's still medicore compared to snd tho.

[deft heart]

even without power sword they can nuke everything with 1-2 shots from a lasgun

[normal talon]

So, i heard trauma staff was buffed?

[ornate hamlet]

amen

[ruby merlin]

@candid temple But it's still viable though

Like power swords can be better, but just be slightly better so other melee weapons get to shine too.

And s+d isn't as easy to land headshots with

[acoustic spade]

time to see 6pm shop rolls

[ruby merlin]

compared to 1h sword

[midnight violet]

BUT, vet does not have the tanking ability of the psyker.....right ? righ....

[acoustic spade]

Any guesses, will there be anything good?

[devout belfry]

There are ranged spec classes. The game plays very similar to Darktide honestly.

Regardless, it's all about breakpoints. Which will be the same for this game.

[magic hull]

got this from a drop ideas?

[ruby merlin]

@midnight violet It tanks very well thanks to higher toughness.

[ornate hamlet]

power swords are already nerfed by only 2 seconds of proc. The amount of times as a vet I had to spam my secondary just to reactivate it

[ruby merlin]

So it tanks better than a zealot in a lot of cases.

[ornate hamlet]

otherwise powersword is mid. Its the secondary that makes it shine and its burst dps

[midnight violet]

im making my point yet? lol

[hot ice]

point is that there isnt 1 weapon that is the be-all-end-all for a character/class

[devout belfry]

Did they fix toughness yet?

[ruby merlin]

Either way I disagree, it will be nerfed to make room for other vet weapons

Buff shovel

stuff like that

[candid temple]

honestly they should make all weapons available for all classes (except force ) and see what gets overused 😂

[deft heart]

honestly psyker is pretty tanky with deflector and the peril block feat, makes it very safe and easy to spot res

[cyan echo]

Best resser there is

[bronze sierra]

id hope this playes similar to darktide, as its darktide

[normal talon]

Context is important

[devout belfry]

I agree. Most classes have two/three that are fieldable on Cata.

[ruby merlin]

If 95% of all vets gravitate to the power sword, that should be balanced. Same with any class.

[hot ice]

^

[bronze sierra]

for exaple

[ruby merlin]

Like here we argue between dueling sword, axe, force sword, or even dagger.

[icy harbor]

sorry for the german, but what do y'all think? 409 on a blue sword?

[ruby merlin]

And technically all are valid

[ornate hamlet]

VERY GOOD

[bronze sierra]

give the trauma staff more range on its charged secondary

[devout belfry]

The power sword might not be the best when people optimize. We'll find out. But it does feel best in slot.

[untold kestrel]

base stats is 354, just above average, not bad

[midnight violet]

psykjers hate vets cos they do the job posykers are ment for and they do it well. often faster. its a case of 2 classes having the same niche and the same defenses but playing different. thats all it is. psykers are harder to to manage. thats all.

[hot ice]

it just outperforms the others by a lot is the issue

[ruby merlin]

Like zealots get to decide between thunder hammer, axe, evis, normal chainsword, or dagger

and all are valid too

[candid temple]

mmm

[midnight violet]

vets dont have the same aoe cc that sykers get

[bronze sierra]

id say vets can get more reliable than us in the elites and spec killing

[ruby merlin]

I don't play ogryn so I don't know for sure

[devout belfry]

Most weapons don't make much sense. They either don't swing horizontally and are designed for horde clear or swing overhead with poor armor damage.

[errant nimbus]

Yeah even though I'm a forcesword purist, I would never deny the value of the other weapons. With the vet though I literally see EVERY vet with it. My friend hasn't put it down since he got it.

[ruby merlin]

But they also have low number of weapons.

[hot ice]

lmao what

[candid temple]

Yes, this.

[gray kelp]

oh, thunder hammer actually good? last I played it it felt like light attacks were underwhelming and charge attack recovery was way too slow