psyker-class

[compact cargo]

If someone is on Damnation, bit empty

[ruby merlin]

Yeah 😦

hopefully more people at 30 will queue it eventually after a few weeks.

and maybe we'll get events that encourage people to play it 😄

[bleak tulip]

there is no reason to run damnation other than challenge

thats the problem

[summer prairie]

How does quickplay even work with the limited map selection. If the map you are playing disappears as an option, can people QP into it

[ruby merlin]

I mean that's the whole point of the game IMO @bleak tulip

[bleak tulip]

they need to add difficulty based post mission drops again

[compact cargo]

One can hope, few ones in it atm are either clueless or the rare friend of my region telling to hop into vc XD

[ruby merlin]

why would you farm in a tide game lol

[compact cargo]

Yep u can

[bleak tulip]

same reason you grind an ARPG, better gear

[ruby merlin]

I would want the equivalent of cata+ difficulties in here eventually

have damnation 3+ 😛

[compact cargo]

Damnation is like cata, not worth it for xp, not worth for money, it's just fun challenge (ignoring the fail trait lvl strat)

[ruby merlin]

people ran tournies for those in vt2, was pretty fun

[compact cargo]

That or 200%/300%

Triple boss could be fun

[bleak tulip]

im sure eventually, either fatshark or modders will find a way

[frank tartan]

It's better than it exploding and having to go all the way back to where you picked it up though, no?

[bleak tulip]

even with the always on requirement

[untold surge]

Can anyone give a basic guide on how not to suck at this class, I have been struggling, the brain burst seems to only really be useful on elite targets where they might take longer for anyone else to kill, using the force pushback stuff doesn't really stagger things enough to allow you to disengage or gain the upper hand in melee, is the cool down for the pushback sped up by having higher peril? If so you pretty much have to brain burst when it makes no sense, or you have to have the staff where the ranged shot doesn't seem to go where you are aiming if you are strafing and the right click looks like it would be good but just gently knocks people about and is limited in range to "oh fuck they are in melee with me now as the right click didn't kill them" and staff melee just seems to be a waste of effort, you do more by just overloading on peril and exploding.

[ruby merlin]

Yeah I mean it would give meaning to equipment grinding if we had damnation +++

right now you can clear damnation with all greens.

and level 20s lol

[acoustic spade]

I dont wanna go to damnation yet cause I still have yet to have won a single mission on Heresy due to people just running out of coherency or ignoring specials/elites

[ruby merlin]

You can kinda herd pugs in heresy

and just tag carry a lot

antax axe is great for carrying too

you can 1 vs everything if you need to

[bleak tulip]

try to not rely on BB especially on higher difficulties

its pretty dogwater

[ruby merlin]

@untold surge BB is for snipers and bombers

[regal raft]

In my case I do damnations when I jsut don’t find any more challenge or entertainment in heresy, same reason I do heresy instead of malice. Just as another reason to add to the pile.

If I had to say what is the most fun difficulty it’s probably malice.

[ruby merlin]

Learn to push pox bombers in mid air

Malice is zzz for me, I just farm mats on it if I want to upgrade a weapon

[bleak tulip]

you can BB for heavies to make it easier for your team if you have downtime too but its not really a focus

[acoustic spade]

hell, one lvl2 pug mission I died to a dog that I had no time to react to

[torpid hemlock]

Use surge or purgator

[ruby merlin]

You can afk slide everywhere lol, brain off

[acoustic spade]

my party just carried on forward

[ruby merlin]

@untold surge The key to psyker is that we have awesome melee

with peril block

find a weapon you really love

and master that in melee, then make it broken with peril block

now you can clutch anything

[acoustic spade]

we were still in coherency when it happened as well

[frank tartan]

Unfortunately the push range varies between weapons, so it's more finicky than it really should be. I can push it with a force sword safely, but with a chain sword it's much harder

[ruby merlin]

@frank tartan I can do it very reliably with my antax mk v axe, but probably because it's the only weapon I really use lol

so I'm super used to it

you can also use your ulti for it if needed

[bleak tulip]

psyker dont block, you push block, FS push block is great, other melee weapons have good push too, switch to staff even at close range for trash clear, stick with your team

[frank tartan]

Yeah that's fair

[ruby merlin]

we're the most reliable pox bomber pusher on damnation

due to having the ulti for backup

also surge staff can push it back

[summer prairie]

or surge bully

[bleak tulip]

FS trvializes dogs and pox bombs yeah

[frank tartan]

I learnt that yesterday, was fun 😂

[tidal adder]

Ignore the passive, use BBs for elites that are far or burst bulwarks on lvl 30 with BB-F-BB-BB sith the fast bb perk, use your force sword on assassinations with heavy overhead charged with special. And Voidstaff is easily best for wave clear

[frank tartan]

So can void if you charge it up all the way. Knocks it on its ass

[ruby merlin]

@bleak tulip I mean given enough practice any weapon does the same.

[regal raft]

Fuck I look at the other class channels and it’s the equivalent of “hehe class fun” then I return here and and we’re the picture of the Office guy at the whiteboard trying to optimize the perfect way to try and be a class.

[ruby merlin]

I'm not sold on the force sword, just lacks the 1 vs all carry factor for me personally.

[acoustic spade]

I wish, I have a feeling that the hounds in Darktide are actually D&D Blinkdogs

[devout belfry]

It can block bullets and get like 35% block cost reduction on it.

[ruby merlin]

@regal raft the class attracts different personalities XD

like ogryn is ogryn smashhhh

[compact cargo]

As psyker ur gameplan is to either:

• Use the lighting staff, surge to stun anything dangerous
• Use the ballz staff, voidstrike, to kill hordes fast
• Use trauma/purge if you really want to to do the same, sorta
• BB used only for hounds (till heresy) snipers, bombers and trappers, anything that is a danger and can run away, otherwise no point, oh and bosses I forgor

Don't worry TOO much about stacks, they help peril if u got the perk, but using the staff is still the most optimal.
Stay at the back but not too far back, prob just barely behind the ogryn/zealot at the front, so u can jump, grab the head of a special that's a danger and keep using the staff.
The F you have is probably the BEST in the game, it pushes anything infront of you till about 20m, including bursters which can save a team, it's good to vent, but the best use is to cc
As a psyker we depend a lot on talents, experiment with different builds, try what you think works well together, till a solid meta is out u can't go wrong, well outside of the DoT non lvl 30 talents, but u should still give them a try to understand the class more
Finally, some good points about peril magement:

• 97% is the brainburst cap, over that you should never cast it
• 80% is the cap for surge staff, over that never keep charging, u prob don't want to charge it anyway
• Voidstrike is easy to manage, like trauma, no points on those

[bleak tulip]

light heavy loop works decent for more cleave but I barely need the cleave because of the interrupt being so good

[regal raft]

[ruby merlin]

Yep, top tip is to ignore stacks

and learn melee

[bleak tulip]

you can weave the interrupt permanently

[acoustic spade]

I saw a hound bounce to the ceiling first before landing on top of me

[summer prairie]

FS ranged blocking didn't feel strong to me, maybe with better blocking blessings

[acoustic spade]

literally ceiling, in one of the large rooms in Metalfab

[bleak tulip]

FS dont block, shit stam

[ruby merlin]

@bleak tulip axe interrupt is superior for me

[summer prairie]

like on damnation you are getting shot so much

[ruby merlin]

and I really did try with the force sword, just didn't like it

[compact cargo]

peril block is the only way to run deflector

[ruby merlin]

have it with deflect and everything

[compact cargo]

Otherwise u need a ton of stam curios

[summer prairie]

I know you need deflector, but it raises peril pretty fast

unlike melee blocking

[celest oar]

83% is the staff cap.

[ruby merlin]

force sword felt too much like a cc bot

and not a dps machine like the axe

[bleak tulip]

• for surge maybe

[compact cargo]

it's a cc bot, the range block is useful for quick res or moving to cover, ur still not an ogryn with alt fire shield

[bleak tulip]

void can be cast much higher than 83 especially if you, as you should, dont full charge all the time

[compact cargo]

unless there's some peril synergy curio

[bleak tulip]

for trash clear anywhere from 10 to 50% is enough depending on difficulty on a decent staff

[acoustic spade]

Oh yeah does the Stamina +X on some staffs actually do anything?

[compact cargo]

only surge is at 83%, forgot to say that staffs can also cancel ur animation and not let u f on overcharge, so watch out

[celest oar]

No

[summer prairie]

it helps when ressing

[compact cargo]

Let's you run longer

Situationaly useful

[celest oar]

Mostly unuseful

[bleak tulip]

switch to FS and just keep dodging

dont need sprint

infinite dodges

[celest oar]

I did take 20% damage over sprinting for 5 secs more any other day

[acoustic spade]

Cant dodge forward

[compact cargo]

u can't dodge sprint kite anymore outside of sabre/knife

[bleak tulip]

sideways

[summer prairie]

infinite dodges is just a crutch, you 5 dodges is plenty and you have time to let the timer run out

[compact cargo]

It's more effective to run atm

[mellow crescent]

"I can run for longer when holding this stick"

[compact cargo]

Outside of ledge boosting on sabre/knife

[bleak tulip]

angle where you wanna go and dodge sideways

[compact cargo]

But ledge boosting is a big exploit

[summer prairie]

dodge range is more important when actually trying to get away

[bleak tulip]

sure but with the iframes you can get away with less

just time it better

[compact cargo]

Dodges don't have iframes in tide games

[bleak tulip]

sure feels like it to me tho, kiting hordes

[compact cargo]

Tide games work on angles mostly

if u move x degrees or x distance away from the attack source, it misses

Someone had a great breakdown of how it works

[bleak tulip]

fair enough, either way its generally enough to keep dodging

[compact cargo]

ye

[untold surge]

20m on the f? When I use it half the time the swarm of mobs I'm being eaten by get a little perturbed for a fraction of a second before going back to chewing on my brain.

[bleak tulip]

literally have dodged back and forth in front of maulers for fun to be an asshole

[acoustic spade]

oh? It always felt like that except when the crusher oneshots you

[compact cargo]

20 for minimal stagger* it's only infront of u with the max stagger, knocking them on their butt tends to be around the 10m mark max

[bleak tulip]

I guess it functionally feels like it, I was pretty sure I was in range of attacks very many times and they didnt hit because I dodged but hey I didnt nolife VT like some people here, they definitely know betetr than me

[acoustic spade]

same

[bleak tulip]

not sure if this is actually how it works but more peril is alleged to give you more range on F

I personally never really plan for tht because I mostly use it as a vent or revive tool or to trigger the lv30 talent

[compact cargo]

Those hours better not be on elf!, the Elf is the soruce of evil

[bleak tulip]

mine are almost all elf

[acoustic spade]

I've had enemies just completely ignore my F when I've had 90% peril from blocking a horde for a while and backed myself to a corner

[compact cargo]

[bleak tulip]

all 70 some + whatever I had in VT1

[acoustic spade]

the peril went away but none of the enemies ghost fazed

[bleak tulip]

yeah I tend to not rely on F for actual CC outside of clutch revives where I dont really have any longer lasting options

[compact cargo]

I just use f whenever I see armor in the horde and ogryn refuses to f

Or if burster incoming

[bleak tulip]

burster in horde might be a good F but other than that psyker can just bully them easily without it

any number of ways

I also like to F into crushers and bulwarks because thats extra value to help with them faster unless I already know my vet is on his game and uses a bolter like they should

dont usually spend more than two BBs on either though because its a waste of time otherwise

[wide quest]

Glowing mustache

[regal raft]

Beautiful

Well that was the first good heresy difficulty team I’ve had in a long time

[bleak tulip]

that's certainly a style

[regal raft]

Finished our mission in about 11minutes

[compact cargo]

I need this team

[regal raft]

It was 3 zealots, I even brought the complete wrong talents

[paper trail]

Which mission?

[regal raft]

I was actually a non factor, they didn’t need me to do that in record time

[regal raft]

The prison assassination mission

[lament glen]

GN witches, I hope the daemons dont eat you

[regal raft]

❤️

U2

Rest well

[hexed wadi]

Daemons can't eat us

we are the Daemons!

[paper trail]

Ive been thinking thats the fastest one and also doesnt seem to spawn specials as quickly or as often as the train station one but not sure if Im imagining that

[regal raft]

It is the fastest one, it was the reason I spammed it exclusively at difficulty 1 when I had only a day left it’ll reset for my 25 mission contract

[mellow crescent]

Gib Null career and we will be eating the daemons.

[summer prairie]

the prison one only spawns ragers and the boss is usually dead by that point

[paper trail]

lol rangers, its totally saying rangers though

[summer prairie]

the VO keeps drilling rangers into me

[ruby merlin]

@compact cargo back from my mission, and IMO for me personally, I like a loadout that can deal with everything (so you can carry pugs more easily). So if a surge staff is already cc, then I want a melee horde clear that can do everything. So if my melee slot was used for cc (aka force sword), then the only ranged I'd consider would be a horde clear, so either voidstaff or a recon lasgun.

I hate zealot flamer builds for that reason too, because then you're reliant on your pugs to kill snipers lol, and I don't like that.

[compact cargo]

Obviusly xd, don't grab force sword if ur running surge, don't be that kind of ogryn that grabs the ripper AND the shield coz "I deal with hordes"

[ruby merlin]

yeah XD

[mild lotus]

new roll in the shop soon siblings

[ruby merlin]

I do love our class for basically always being able to handle everything though.

[paper trail]

I use voidstrike to slap balls off everything and then warpsword to devastate single targets

[ruby merlin]

There's no situation where you go "Welp, I guess I die now"

[hardy grove]

Best staff for pushing Lvl 15+?

[ruby merlin]

I just love the axe too much tbh lol @paper trail

[compact cargo]

I think axe has higher single target dps on heavy chain unless u stack warp damage hard

[ruby merlin]

@hardy grove any you want for under damnation, it all works.

[mellow crescent]

gib build pls
i too wish to not die

[acoustic spade]

I see you havent had 3 maulers and a reaper looking at you menacingly from a doorway all aggroed to you

[wispy tangle]

how'd this bright wizard make his way to tertium?

[ruby merlin]

@acoustic spade I just win in melee there

[paper trail]

Axe is definitely satisfying

[ruby merlin]

the axe is stronger

[acoustic spade]

How do you melee the reaper

[mild lotus]

the force sword push attack throws down maulers

[paper trail]

force sword feels more like your whipping them with the tip

[ruby merlin]

@mellow crescent The key is peril block, and ignore warp charges.

Axe should be antax mkv combat axe

[hardy grove]

I see talk of the flame staff being mediocre? That's what I'm aiming for in the higher levels just to crowd control. Is there a specific build setup for it?

[ruby merlin]

with brutal momentum as a perk

[mellow crescent]

Do the marks make a difference with melee weapons?

[mild lotus]

If you want crowd control, turn toward the surge staff instead

[ruby merlin]

@acoustic spade let's say you're stuck in a room with little room to dodge (kinda on you for that bad position), then the axe will still win vs 3 maulers and 2 reapers in the same room. What you do is just push attack the reaper first, dodge on mauler overhead, ulti for space if needed, and tank the hit with peril block if you must

you will win that fight 100% of the time

this is with the axe, the axe hit staggers all

doesn't matter what it is

[mild lotus]

force sword can win too tbh

[ruby merlin]

Yep, but slower

[mild lotus]

the special one shots maulers

[ruby merlin]

that's why I like the axe more

on damnation

the special is not viable

[mild lotus]

and staggers reapers

[ruby merlin]

becaues it's too slow

if you had 3 maulers in your face and you special one, the other will one shot you

you'd have to push it back

[mild lotus]

no, I'd push attack 1 and space the others

and then special one

[bleak tulip]

you still gotta hit multiple times with the axe too tho and you can stagger em with FS too

[ruby merlin]

Axe just deals with that + normal hordes so much faster

I'd only take the force sword if my weapon was an auto lasgun or something

so cc melee + ranged horde clear

[mild lotus]

axe is low tier in the drip department

[ruby merlin]

if I take surge staff, then I'd go axe

[bleak tulip]

so never?

[ruby merlin]

@bleak tulip I mean it's a valid build

[bleak tulip]

ehh

[ruby merlin]

auto lasgun or voidstaff for horde clear, force sword for cc

then bb for long range targets of course

[bleak tulip]

recon las for horde clear is pretty lacking

[worldly ore]

Psyker friend sent me this and is confused, is this a normal thing atm that the damage is the same regardless of the damage roll?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/939302931491086388/1048204133569671188/20221202124847_1.jpg

[mild lotus]

first target and finesse also play a part in the calculation of dmg

[ruby merlin]

@bleak tulip I just love the axe too much lol, the push attack is so fast. And brutal momentum beheading 10 mobs at once.

[worldly ore]

Gotcha

[mild lotus]

what the weapon lacks in dmg is compensated by finesse and first target

[ruby merlin]

Just the most reliable clutch 1 vs all weapon for me

[bleak tulip]

also don't rely on the damage number too much, it's a general idea more than a concrete thing

[ruby merlin]

yeah, test it in the psykanium first

[paper trail]

I didnt realise how important first target is until we could see the numbers and still cant really understand why it exists at all

[wispy tangle]

you can check the detailed weapon stats and see the actual damage breakdown

[bleak tulip]

I know I used a combat axe with ignore hit mass for a solid while, I just don't think it's better than FS personally :p

[mild lotus]

the force sword is mono target oriented in the first place
makes sense that they wanted it to be really good at it

[wispy tangle]

• how each stat affects things in detail

[ruby merlin]

@bleak tulip it has to be the right combat axe though, the antax right? 😛

Force sword is just clunky to me in a situation where you're mass mobbed with normal mobs + say like 4 ragers and 2 maulers.

[mild lotus]

I think damage affects dmg *2 while finesse and first target affects dmg *1.5

[bleak tulip]

don't remember, I used it because I had it back then, did fine

[ruby merlin]

(every other combat axe sucks)

[mild lotus]

what is your team doing inthat situation? are you solo?

[ruby merlin]

the swings are from the wrong angle

@mild lotus yeah I'm assuming they all died

and I have to carry

because otherwise anything works, just use comms 😛

[paper trail]

But having the 2nd bar effecting its single target damage effectively makes it harder to get a good single target roll on it since you need 2 bars to do what one bar could've done. Sorry my typing is awful on tiny phone buttons lol

[mild lotus]

if that happens in damnation then it's a wipe

9/10

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus not true, you can recover

[bleak tulip]

looked it up yeah it was the antax

[mild lotus]

yes, indeed

[ruby merlin]

I've seen J_sat recover from that sometimes, it can be done.

[bleak tulip]

would agree it's the best

[mild lotus]

that's why I hate the shop

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-fridge-empty-gif-15623425

[wispy tangle]

light-heavy-push in hordes, special-heavy is good for the ragers and maulers, if there's multiple of them and you need breathing room either hit F or use the push shove move to buy time. if that doesn't help you likely were dead either way

[ruby merlin]

Also 2 vs all situations, I'd take the axe again over the sword.

[mild lotus]

can be done sure, but don't count on it and don't shape your entire kit around that possibility

[ruby merlin]

@wispy tangle I mean with the axe I can just aim for a head, then have infinite cleave

[bleak tulip]

either weave push block or switch to void to clear at least a lot of the horde, don't get surrounded

on damnation at least you don't get trash swarmed as much

[ruby merlin]

I can be full surrounded and still live with the axe, at least in my experience

so long as I don't get trappered

[wispy tangle]

yeah some weapons are simpler to use than others

this was the case in vt2 as well

[mild lotus]

shooting at the ground is surprisingly good with void

[paper trail]

Warp charged stab is so damn satisfying though but I do hate how slow it is. Sometimes it feels like you already sank it in and you get interrupted

[ruby merlin]

@wispy tangle yeah, just means in a situation where I have to clutch, it's easier to pull off IMO

[shell radish]

what staff do you guys like the most?

[wispy tangle]

yep, they've all got tradeoffs and different appeals, use what's comfortable and enjoyable for you

[bleak tulip]

yeah that's a last resort tho because it only pushes and pushes are shit for damage

dodge back with push block, get a quick void out to clear a line and back to sword

[mild lotus]

if it's jut trash mobs, it's alright I guess

[ruby merlin]

I do wish we had damnation 3+ like vt2 eventually, would be fun to see the top players go do tourneys and stuff 🙂

And we'd see how the weapons would function in a top tier situation.

Right now the top players can just do damnation at level 20 with green gear lol.

[cyan notch]

took a while even for cataclysm in vt2

[wispy tangle]

i liked playing kruber with that one insanely long range 2h sword you could just spam and take down hordes, elites and specials with 1 brain cell in vt2, it was kinda fun in an unga bunga way to me

[ruby merlin]

True!

Lol yeah, unga bunga has a lot of utility, especially when you have to think about dodging the various specials to clutch.

But I guess if you had a group of 4 that's well coordinated, a harder weapon would be more fun.

[mild lotus]

Just noticed that in my shop

[potent echo]

Bretsword gang

[mild lotus]

damned axe

[wispy tangle]

yeah sometimes i miss my kruber when doing all these complex things with the force sword in darktide

[ruby merlin]

@mild lotus I'd grab that

then when crafting comes just drop brutal momentum onto it 🙂

[shell radish]

nice axe buy it

[mild lotus]

I won't, it looks terrible

[potent echo]

People say axe psyker good

[mild lotus]

-10 on the drip stat

[ruby merlin]

It's super good

lol

Someday we'll get nice skins

Change it to a scepter or something

[mild lotus]

make it a force axe and then maybe I'll think about it

[shell radish]

How am I supposed to use the force sword exactly?

[mild lotus]

light-heavy-push-repeat for horde clear

[ruby merlin]

It's mostly a cc weapon, push light heavy push to horde clear I think.

[mild lotus]

special on big mobs

[ruby merlin]

But I much prefer the axe 😛

[wispy tangle]

i can't not use staves and force weapons exclusively on psyker because i like going for the maximum psyker feel. kinda hyped for force greatsword, and hopefully more force weapons are coming later

[shell radish]

tyty

[ruby merlin]

Just spam push block when surrounded, and dodge light attacks while cleaving 10+ things, easy life.

[shell radish]

Pretty used to the axes lol, the force sword just felt a little clunky is all

[mild lotus]

or you could do my combo light-heavy-light

the last light attack is very strong

[bleak tulip]

axe push attack is very low style too unfortunately

thats a downside

[mild lotus]

as strong as a heavy and one shots all trash mobs

[bleak tulip]

its the same move spammed over

its good, but low style

[ruby merlin]

I mean you can switch to light attacks too XD

and heavies if you need to down maulers in melee for some reason.

[mild lotus]

maulers, I think it's really not worth hitting their head

[potent echo]

I've seen a zealot push attack with a chain axe to much success in hordes

[ruby merlin]

@wispy tangle I hope the force 2h sword lets me push attack permanently too lol, I want a low skill force weapon so I can just focus on special killing if I have to 😛

@mild lotus I mean my axe still 5 shots them on damnation.

which isn't bad

You can angle it to hit the torso rather than the head too

[wispy tangle]

just having the added range and increased stagger on hits it will have over the 1h sword is gonna feel so much better for me as an ex-kruber main

[bleak tulip]

I would love 2h FS just being a big power sword style cleave on special with a strikedown heavy instead of just being a long FS

[narrow haven]

i aint level 30 yet but is it me or we aren't that good compared to zealot?

we have crowd control and what not but idk

[ruby merlin]

I want the 2h force sword to have a push attack like a normal weapon

[narrow haven]

feels like playing a giganerfed version of the class

[ruby merlin]

and the normal push should be peril like the force sword before the nerf.

[mild lotus]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nemesis_Force_Weapon

We need those

[ruby merlin]

@narrow haven we can carry pretty hard

antax mkv axe + peril block is awesome 😛

[narrow haven]

that's true - i do carry most of my malices atm

[ruby merlin]

but in general peril block is awesome

[narrow haven]

i hate the axes tho

ngl

force sword is just too satisfying vs armoured

[regal raft]

Reminder to everyone here, if you want to be a bastard to both your team or the enemy NPCs, find a room where the only entrance is the door you can open and close, every time the enemy tries to open the door immediately close it on them

If your Allie’s try to open the door, spam the open button at moch speed so they can never open or close it and get through, thus getting them stuck outside with the enemy mobs.

If you do this far enough away from the doorway they cannot hit you through the door, and a psyker, zealot flamer, or gun can jsut be repeatedly emptied into the tiny crack inbetween the door way to clear the entire wave.

This has been your daily tip for cheesing the fuck out of the enemy AIs and Allies who might aswell also be AIs, especially the ones who are your friends, then especially are AIs

[potent echo]

This actually works?

[summer prairie]

you can just hit through the door

[ruby merlin]

There

[regal raft]

Yes

[ruby merlin]

there's only one good axe (the antax)

the rest suck

[frank tartan]

Solid tip. The other week I closed a door on a charging mutant, and it stopped him between the doors 😂

[wispy tangle]

this has happened to me when me and a teammate try to open a door at the same time

[potent echo]

I know you can counter other players spamming doors by holding W

Sometimes you just phase through like a quantum particle

[regal raft]

If it gets open jsut enough you can slip through from small hit box

[narrow haven]

hmmm not being level 30 kinda sucks for purchasing weps

[regal raft]

It requires them being stupid

[narrow haven]

well gotta finish off the last 3 levels

[potent echo]

Which one is that? There are so many axes..

[bleak tulip]

the one that says antax on the name :p

[tacit delta]

So if I have a bunch of gold/resources, is there an effective way to try and progress my ilvl of my stuff at 30+? My base gear sits at around 350-360 (greys) but It almost feels like I could just sit and refresh shop on the hour for the most efficient progression ):

[paper trail]

I like the axe that has the heavy attack where you slam them in the side of the head with the spike side

[bleak tulip]

to quote from another discord

Theory #1 is that it's Total Rating (the higher your Total watermark the  higher the table your Armory will roll, simple as)
Theory #2 is that it's Statroll+Traits and Blessings as separate ratings. (This is closest to the information we have, but it's hard to tell how this works if it is the case but it would explain why higher rarity items roll 'less' stats than lower rarities)
There were a few other theories that have been largely deprecated after people have been able to reliably 'push up' their shop with the Melk->Craft bases method (like it being based on missions cleared or characters levelled), but there's no telling if even what Hedge has told us is even remotely correct or functional in the first place. He's not the most reliable source of information, and what he's said is particularly vague. ```

and yeah for right now shop is unfortunately the way to get shit, more or less

[wispy tangle]

got a decent orange force sword drop from a mission yesterday, and some other purples, felt like something was changed with those. didn't really get them in beta. could just have been a lucky streak though

[tacit delta]

shop progression is just.. an odd way to progress lol. You'd think the loop for rewarding should be through playing

[hexed wadi]

All fun and games till this happens https://clips.twitch.tv/CleverRefinedBasenjiCeilingCat-9E64NNoE7ZGuqU7U

[paper trail]

Worst part of being at work is seeing every hour tick by thinking, fuck, I bet I just missed a great staff roll

[regal raft]

Yeah that’s why I don’t recommend melee

[tacit delta]

yes! It's not "I wish I was playing" it feels like "Damn I missed the hourly shop"

very weird haha

[paper trail]

Its like, an actual addiction at this point. But lets face it, 90% of the time its 10 autoguns you dont want

[hexed wadi]

I still prefer this shop to VT's lootboxes, buuuuut, it aint perfect.

[hard breach]

🥹

[worthy wasp]

Voidstrike staff is so fkn good

[bleak tulip]

4 axes, 4 autoguns, 3 lasers and 2 curios is every other shop

when all I want is more rolls on FS and staves

[wispy tangle]

really would not mind an optional filter for shops so you could select what you would prefer to see

[tacit delta]

I don't mind the axes since I'm using one rn (axe blocking op) but it's annoying af to get so many guns

[bleak tulip]

i.e. "melk is always empty" :c

[boreal slate]

has anyone here gotten Pick and Mix? aside from the complete 100 missions penance, this is the only one im missing for psyker. any preferred level for it?

[hexed wadi]

At this point I wish it was something like, all weapons are always available and stuff gets rolled when you buy it.

[hard breach]

I gotta figure out what mision i need to do on Malice :/

[bleak tulip]

damnation has a lot of gunners and such which are much easier targets for BB

[boreal slate]

my problem is that its mostly just ogryn type enemies blocking my view and they take 3 brain bursts to kill

[bleak tulip]

and then either talk to your vet that they shouldnt play the game (typical psyker penance bullshit) or you just get lucky eventually

[boreal slate]

yeah fuck these penances lmao

[wispy tangle]

i mean like a filter for the rng so you could have a bit more control over what spawns in the store selection

[hard breach]

Question regarding pick n mix guys. Do they have to be different enemy types or just different enemies altogether?

[boreal slate]

did they rotate chasm terminus out?

no you just gotta get 5 elites or specials

in 12s

it can be any elites

it can be 5 gunners

[bleak tulip]

good thing I dont want the third psyker hood so I am not too bothered with that and malleus

[boreal slate]

doesnt matter

[hard breach]

Thanks Vort

[boreal slate]

i want it for completionism

so i can stop playing this fucking class till i get to at least tweak my loadout with crafting

[bleak tulip]

it in fact should be 5 gunners or you literally run out of time even with kinetic lmao

[south spruce]

Is anyone else having issue with "Pick n' Mix" where it's stuck at 0/5 ?

[boreal slate]

because i am not gonna keep buying randomly rolled dogwater weapons from the ordo docket shop

yeah

or ragers

but for ragers you need 2 charges

or it wont 1 shot them

great ability btw

:moyia:

🗿

[boreal slate]

has to be on heresy, and in one go

i dont think it shows you how far you got beforehand

[bleak tulip]

used to in beta

¯_(ツ)_/¯

doesnt now

[wispy tangle]

i think BB is likely to be buffed, will make pick 'n mix a lot easier to get if it happens

[south spruce]

I'm pretty sure i have more than 0 specials killed with BB on heresy.

[boreal slate]

cant wait for private lobbies so I can stop fucking griefing my teammates to get my penances

[paper trail]

Crafting will just be randomly rolled weapons from the craftng shop for plasteel though wont it? Except you pick which weapon you want to roll

[boreal slate]

it has to be 5 in 12 seconds or it wont show

either 0 or complete

cus bugged showcase

because of coruse it is

[bleak tulip]

this is why I'm waiting on that tbh

they cant leave BB the way it is, they just have more important shit to do like fix crashes

[south spruce]

Kind of reluctant to even try if i don't have confirmation that it actually works post launch fuckery.

[boreal slate]

it does work but it has to be 5 enemies in 12s or you wont even see the progress

and brain burst targetting is so unbelievably shit that in the middle of a fight you are very unlikely to get it unless you literally leave the elites alone to shred your team while you get rid of the trash first, likely throwing the run

[hardy fog]

4/5 -.-

[wispy tangle]

yeah and even as it is, i've been on 4/5 so many times just playing normal runs where i just fish for it when i think i see a possibility of popping it. and i still need like 40+ more games for the final hood, so i think it's very likely i'll get this organically by the time i hit the 100 wins in heresy breakpoint on my psyker

[boreal slate]

feels like im so limited in what to use too, either voidstrike or surge, surge seems to be the only viable one on heresy and up cus of its stupidly good CC

[bleak tulip]

youre also unlikely to get it naturally because casting BB on gunners in heresy+ is a waste of time lmao

[boreal slate]

and even killing potential

[south spruce]

So Vort is bullshiting then?

[boreal slate]

cus just RMB and then clicking once is enough to 1 shot gun wielding trash sometimes

im not

cus ive been going for this penance too

so clearly I know what im talking about

because mine is still showing 0

matter of fact its the last penance I need

time to hab dreyko with double infinite hordes

[sharp jackal]

same, you need stacks to one hit some mobs

[bleak tulip]

wish that shit got pinned i dont have it bookmarked on my work computer

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/bb-death-stranding-hideo-kojima-kojima-hideo-gif-15442860

this is my BB

[regal raft]

Same

[bleak tulip]

still better than darktide bb

[warm flame]

what means "First Target" and should I buy the green one and upgrade it as it have better stats ?

[bleak tulip]

press v and hover over the stat

[wispy tangle]

weapon details screen, mouse over first target stat, you're welcome

[warm flame]

oh shit

[bleak tulip]

its what it says, damage mod specifically to first target

[warm flame]

game changer

thanks guys

[bleak tulip]

first sword's better btw

[hexed wadi]

I feel like pick and mix need Inner Tranquility and Kinetic barrage to make it easier

[bleak tulip]

absolutely, still tight tho

[warm flame]

the green one you mean right ?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[warm flame]

yeah I agree, just wanted to understand what was I missing on the first target %

[hexed wadi]

Green one 100%

[wispy tangle]

they help a lot, i also use the one where attacks cause BB, not because of the BB itself but because it helps upkeep stacks which are -needed- to make pick n mix reliable to get for 1shot breakpoints

[hexed wadi]

I'm still not a fan of kinetic flayer in a general basis

[regal raft]

You can hit the inspect key ilshown in bottom right, then hit tab, or hover you cursor over a specific stat for more in detail info

[bleak tulip]

its BiS if you like it or not

[warm flame]

upgraded the green sword, meh stat

[wispy tangle]

it's been growing on me, kinda think it slaps in clutch situations tbh

[bleak tulip]

slaughterer is GOAT

its a lot roll on it but its still great

[boreal slate]

the other talents in that row are way too good to ever take kinetic flayer

[hexed wadi]

I totally understand cause its free and gives you a stack every 15 seconds

But I don't like the random targeting

[boreal slate]

rampage is good too, i wish i got confident strike and rampage

but idk if confident strike is ogryn weapon exclusive

only seen it on those so far

[ruby merlin]

the 10% bb chance is neat in damnation

[bleak tulip]

is this a typo

[ruby merlin]

goes well with axe or rapier.

[boreal slate]

not a typo

[wispy tangle]

yeah i think the primary value it has for me is stacks upkeep combined with +6% peril resist per stack

[boreal slate]

rapier 🤨 ?

[wispy tangle]

it really adds up to make a noticeable difference

[boreal slate]

you mean the saber or whatever?

[hexed wadi]

I totally understand that

[ruby merlin]

I actually like faster peril @wispy tangle . Goes well with axe + peril block + passive quell toughness regen.

[bleak tulip]

kinetic overload is complete dogshit and two more stacks is a 6% damage buff vs not wasting time with BB on flayer, how exactly is this even a competition

[brave drift]

Yeah. Khorne when?

Woops wrong class.

[ruby merlin]

yeah warp charges are worthless on damnation IMO

[hexed wadi]

I do use Warp Battery cause of Quicken

[ruby merlin]

Below damnation just run what you think is fun

doesn't really matter

[hexed wadi]

And Inner Tranquility

[bleak tulip]

the only time I'd take quicken is if I somehow needed the extra venting, which you shouldnt ideally

so basically never imo

[hexed wadi]

I don't have a good force sword with the quelling on hit

[bleak tulip]

inner tranq is good but I dont really consider a little more warp resist worth skipping flayer

[hexed wadi]

And I hate manually quelling XD

[ruby merlin]

only reason to run force sword IMO is for deflection

so you can be the team's res bot

[bleak tulip]

void with transfer peril is peril neutral

other than that get a staff with good quelling

takes like 2 seconds to quell enough

[hexed wadi]

Ah I use Surge

[bleak tulip]

alternatively quell with FS while side dashing to move

FS has infinite dodges

[ruby merlin]

yeah if you use surge staff, don't use the fs IMO, since it's a cc weapon mostly.

So you want a cc ranged and a horde clear melee, or horde clear ranged and cc melee

don't stack both, because then carry potential drops.

[bleak tulip]

most CC slaves ive seen run saber with surge for passive vent

[ruby merlin]

Axe goes well too, but saber is more fancy

[bleak tulip]

some weirdos run knife but i hate it

[hexed wadi]

I tried Knife...its weird

[ruby merlin]

also saber dodge distance is neat

[bleak tulip]

saber only has 5 dodges tho :p

[ruby merlin]

axe only has 5 as well, so it's even there 😛

axe dodge is shorter than saber dodge I feel

but does more dps, and angle of attack means infinite cleave is worth more on axe

[bleak tulip]

likely, im jus too used to traversing with FS side dodge whenever I need to to switch

as fast as sprinting with enough mobility and stam neutral

[ruby merlin]

yeah fs is like the ultimate tank cc weapon

infinite dodges and great push cc

but just meh dps

and of course blocks ranged dps

the axe is just too fun for me though

nothing like cleaving 10 heads in a swing haha

[paper trail]

Knife movement speed seemed like it would be nice for grinding weekly contracts faster on sedition

[half river]

Kinetic flayer is cool with voidstrike. I find myself needing to quell when clearing a horde + it works out really well with deflection force sword

[ruby merlin]

If you like dual dagger shade in vt 2, you'll probably like knife.

[half river]

Dual dagger shade 🤢

[bleak tulip]

I was a sword and dagger usually myself

miss me with shade

[ruby merlin]

I want my shade back tbh

[half river]

Dual sword enjoyer

[ruby merlin]

Dark eldar wych shade please? 😄

[bleak tulip]

this isnt rogue trader

[ruby merlin]

I mean we could technically do that

radical inquisitors exist

and our psykers talk about carrion emperors and don't get shot already

[bleak tulip]

yeah but thats quite radical

[regal raft]

Not even the dark Eldar trust the dark Eldar enough to hire the dark Eldar without some sort of plan or preperation in expectation for them to backstab them

[ruby merlin]

Like mine constantly goes "Why worship someone who needs thousands of sacrifices a day" and "Hahaha, you stupid fool worshipping your carrion lord".

[hexed wadi]

We all part of a genestealer cult already

[ruby merlin]

Yeah, but that's the fun of it 😛

[regal raft]

And usually they turn down the job from their own people if it’s an actual option knowing it’s a trap

[ruby merlin]

Also inquisitors use daemonhosts sometimes

[hexed wadi]

We are the traitor

[regal raft]

They use exorcised, not daemon host, Cherubael is the only daemon host to exist that’s used in the imperium

[ruby merlin]

Also in lore there was a book detailing a bunch of people from the Imperium hiring dark eldar to try and fix the golden throne, this would be minor compared to that lol.

(Plus it'll be good for selling cosmetics lol)

I just want the voicelines for zealot vs dark eldar tbh

would be hilarious

[regal raft]

Yea and that was literally planned by the imperium that they would betray them so they planned to backstab them first in that book, and did

Because as said already they knew as the dark Eldar were trying to do, was that they were trying to sabotage the throne instead

[ruby merlin]

I mean it's easy enough to spin for our game, 40k doesn't really put limits.

It's actually left up to the reader in the book.

[regal raft]

And they were literally being overseen by the custodes

[ruby merlin]

Could the DE fix the throne, but steal the emperor's DNA and create their own slave clone emperor? Who knows.

[regal raft]

It’s literally not, you can’t bullshit people who actually read the book

[ruby merlin]

I've read it, and it 100% ambiguous.

[regal raft]

Prove it then post an expert

[gray kelp]

psyker shop pool has to be bugged or something there's no way my luck is this bad

[maiden wolf]

#40k-lore-chat

[regal raft]

Don’t bullshit lore in a 40k discord, this is literally a ravenous fandom

[ruby merlin]

I'm getting the excerpts atm

And it's 100% left to the reader if the DE could fix the throne or not.

[regal raft]

And I’ll be waiting on hands and knees for you to do so

[round swan]

is this good for a flame staff?

[jade yarrow]

Same for me.... Only under 380 when im playing with weapon at 470+ power...

[tall mesa]

Nice run and stick passive lol

[regal raft]

Here let me help you, the book is Vaults of Terra, the dark city

[hexed wadi]

From my understanding shop rolls weapons based on the highest you have in your inventory for each slot.

[ruby merlin]

Franck clasped his hands together again, turning his face up to the light show above. ‘It is already complete, inquisitor. Bringing the xenos here was our greatest mistake, but it had insisted on seeing the Throneworld in person. In truth, the main outline of the Project had already been agreed. When the creature went mad, that was regrettable, and momentarily dangerous, but it did not affect the matter of the scheme. Dhanda pulled out, which was ashame, but her role was always peripheral.’ Crowl listened, suppressing the hundred questions that simmered under the surface.‘They can help us. Without them, the Throne will not see out the next hundred years. It will go dark, poisoned both by age and the coming Wound in reality. You do not know what that means. You do not know what the Throne truly is, nor what it protects us from. ```

You may believe, in your ignorance, that it is immune to harm, or that its failures can somehow be accommodated, but let me tell you, with the utmost surety born of perception of what lies beneath, that the horrors you have seen in here this night pale into nothing beside what would overtake us if it were allowed to fail. ’‘They are liars,’ Crowl said. ‘The xenos? Most assuredly so.’ ‘They will betray us. They care nothing for us.’ The Master shrugged. ‘The second point is certainly true. The first point maybe true also. Risk exists in everything we do.’ Crowl had to restrain himself from leaping up then, clawing at the man’sthroat. He still had Sanguine at his belt. If he moved quickly enough, before the thought fully formed…‘What have you given them?...Whatever you have done,’ he said, his voice low, ‘call it back.’ Franck smiled again, this time with a certain sadness in his eyes. ‘I could not do so now, even if I wished it,’ he said. ‘You have been a most dogged pursuer, Crowl. I find myself pleased that you did not die in your lonely citadel, and that we have spoken these words. But the delegation has left.They are no longer on Terra. They take with them the final element of the Project, the very last thing they asked of us, and when they reach their destination, the contract will be sealed. It cannot be stopped now.’

From "The Hollow Mountain

"Through a blend of alchemy and science, the Cronos drains away not the vital fluids of its victims but their life essence. What remains of its prey when the engine has drunk its fill is a testament to the diabolical skill of its creators - to the onlooker, the Cronos victims seem to age at an incredible rate, wrinkling and rotting until nothing is left but ancient-looking cadavers. Once the Cronos has fed on its prey, their stolen vitality is magnified and projected from its resonator vanes. Pulsing waves of spirit-essence flow outward to those Dark Eldar standing near the Cronos, rendering them stronger and more vital"

That's basically the Golden Throne

Theoretically

[paper trail]

wat

[regal raft]

I do not care about you posting experts and quote of the inquisitors desire for them to help, I asked you to prove that they weren’t trying to sabotage it

Provide me that quote

[ruby merlin]

I'm saying from the exact text, that the DE do have self interested reasons to fix the throne, preserve the imperium and keep having stuff to raid. And having Emp's DNA for themselves as a bonus. I'll get the final quote from the last bit in the book too, one sec

[regal raft]

If you intent was for that quote to be a sign that they weren’t it even literally states the point where the dark Eldar are siphoning life energy betraying the imperium

[regal raft]

That wasn’t even the conversation

Your pivoting

[ruby merlin]

I mean you misread what I posted

[regal raft]

Then learn to communicate

[ruby merlin]

The DE want the Imperium to survive

Okay simple:

[regal raft]

In fact it seems like you intentionally know you fucked it after being called out because instead of proving what was directly asked of you, you jammed a random quote of something not involved, that accidentally proved exactly what I called you out on

[ruby merlin]

1. DE need the Imperium for raids, they're dependent on it.
2. Throne is failing, DE potentially have the tech to replace or repair it.
3. Emp's DNA could be used to make a clone, and replace the Emp (but keep the astro working etc).

It's exactly what I said

[regal raft]

Then you’re trying to dodge it entirely with these pivots when you’re held to the fire

Next time just say your wrong, don’t bulllshit us

[ruby merlin]

My point is that the DE do have the ability to save the throne, and some factions have attempted to use them to fix it.

Whether saving it means cloning the emp and replacing it

that's still 'saving it' from a de perspective.

and the Imperium will keep working

[regal raft]

For everyone interested in the book he’s trying to bullshit on, it’s called Vaults of Terr, the Dark City, by Chris Wraight

[worthy wasp]

Heres a question

[regal raft]

Good book I recommend it, and it lets you get the full actual story

[ruby merlin]

as a matter of fact it is not

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/46221875-the-hollow-mountain

[worthy wasp]

Do we know what breakpoints for BB there are regarding warp charges?

[ruby merlin]

It is the second book

[round swan]

I don't really know if what you're talking about is related to psykers or not, but could you keep it to #40k-lore-chat or a better fitted channel? ||ty in advance||

[limpid hill]

people aint going to read the second without reading the first

[regal raft]

Depends what you mean by breakpoints, I’m slightly confused on it

[jolly wasp]

WHOTF CARES this is psyker theorycrafting and the game isnt a 1:1 with lore, it just uses warhammer inspiration.

[ruby merlin]

But yeah anyway, DE class for darktide would be neat

[hexed wadi]

We should just capture a ork warband, have a bunch of psykers brainwash them into believing the Golden Throne works perfectly and brings the Emperor back.

[ruby merlin]

and orc mercs, because why not lol

Inquisitors have done worse before.

[regal raft]

We clearly need to play tyranids

[jolly wasp]

can literally do w.e they want it doesnt have to be cannon

[ruby merlin]

Yep

[jolly wasp]

stupid af to justify anything in this game by lore

[ruby merlin]

And 40k is made in such a way that anything can be spun to be canon, it's a lot of satire

[regal raft]

In fact not only should we play tyranids because canon doesn’t matter but we should also be able to play an avatar of khaine

[hexed wadi]

What if we feed tyranid some GreybKnight Gene seed? Will we get a Emperor Tyranid hybrid?

[paper trail]

Genestealer magus hybrid subclass

[regal raft]

This

Lmao

[paper trail]

I had one of those when I was a kid I want it

[ruby merlin]

Orks would make for a good enemy faction, just have normal orks be specials.

[regal raft]

We need daemon possessed genestealer who has custodes genes

[worthy wasp]

Say with 0-4 warp charges you 2 shot X enemy... but vs that same enemy you can 1 shot them if you have 6 warp charges

[ruby merlin]

And we should have chaos marines to kill since we kill beasts of nurgle and daemonhosts already.

[worthy wasp]

Thats breakpoints

[paper trail]

Big fat genestealer patriarch on the throne model I had as kid perfect he probs a bit slower easier to kill

[jolly wasp]

if fatshark wanted to make a class that had abilities similar to those, sure why not, that's how the lore fits into the game. It's game mechanics first, lore second.

[limpid veldt]

could someone help me get the cliff hanger achievement?

[regal raft]

I don’t know if we have any resources yet to specifically say for certain, some of the other guys here might know one

[south spruce]

Ahh yes perfect, a group of shotgunners for me to brain burst and finally complete my pena-.... Bastion 220 combat stance engaged! RATATATATATA PEW PEW PEW BOOM

[regal raft]

I feel your pain

It’s easier with bots

[paper trail]

Kill tge patriarch, capture the hybrid, turn him to the inquisition through reeducation. There is a story right there

[regal raft]

Wait till super early morning then try to do it on difficulty 1

[regal raft]

Oh hey look, a high lord of terra

[ruby merlin]

@limpid veldt you can solo that if you have to with just bots on chasm, but it is easier with people to block for you.

[regal raft]

[hard breach]

This other force sword, that warp resistance is bad...

[shy turret]

Whats a good map for cliffhanger? Having trouble finding places to even set it up

[hard breach]

Still, should i buy it?

[hexed wadi]

Yes

[regal raft]

Depends on the ratio, I know some of the force weapons show that the ratio for warp resistance doesn’t actually provide much at all and some do an insane amount, I have no idea for the force sword I would need to double check what it shows

[regal raft]

One second while I check the ratio

[hard breach]

It generates 30 perils inspect say

[hexed wadi]

Warp resistance on FS only affects the special attack

[turbid olive]

most maps have 1 good spot to do it, play malice+horde then pray for a lucky horde spawn

[regal raft]

For the amount that the warp resistance scales? Because that’s diff then the amount it generates

One second pulling up mine

[round swan]

the water purifying map, at least that's where I got mine. There's lots of ledges, I just kinda threw took a detour during the match to start pushing a horde with force sword near a ledge and threw them all when i counted 10 just to make sure

[hard breach]

I think it normally does 45 but it's been lowered to 30?

[regal raft]

That slightly sounds right?

[wispy tangle]

chasm logistratum, left side of the bridge at the start, there's a catwalk hidden in the darkness, the bridge juts out next to it so you can bait a horde to the catwalk, run around to the the bridge, jump off of it at the catwalk and hit F midair while spamming pushes

[regal raft]

I can’t say for certain in confidence till I look at it myself

[worthy wasp]

Does finesse speed up the special attack animation of FS?

[regal raft]

Logging in now

[hard breach]

Does not say, it does speed up light & heavy though

Also does more damage against weak spots on both

[worthy wasp]

...

[supple ember]

Greetings bois
Could someone explain to me how to use purgatus properly and if it is better or worse at something than surge

[regal raft]

45 peril is max, 5 peril is minimum so that means every 10% modifier is roughly like, 2 peril or so

[cyan echo]

Worse at CC, better against hordes

[regal raft]

So yeah if yours shows 30 it’s 30

Your right

Peril matters a lot

[supple ember]

Cc is crowd control?

[regal raft]

Although

@hard breach you might be able to abuse the 30 peril in the infinite toughness melee build

Since you can quickly generate high peril to convert to toughness

Very build specific

But usable

You would want block ranged attack blessing

And maybe shred

Or thunder strike

[cyan echo]

yessir

[supple ember]

Aight, muchos gracias

One more: what purge's stat is the most important?

[cyan echo]

Burn

[gray kelp]

probably burn as it influences max burn stacks

[cyan echo]

it determines the amount of stacks

[supple ember]

Oooh

I see

Makes sense

[regal raft]

Damage is useless, burn, cloud radius, warp resistance are the most important

[gray kelp]

80% lets you stack up to 15

[regal raft]

Damage can only scale between 9 to 11 so actually fuck it, it’s terrible

[supple ember]

Thank you very much

[stiff orchid]

Hey can anyone explain to me what is wrong with the warp battery penance?

[regal raft]

Np

[cyan echo]

question; How fast are soulblaze stacks stacked up?

[stiff orchid]

I very definitely maintained max warp charge for more than 300 seconds but it only counted 200s

[cyan echo]

how many per second of exposure?

[cyan echo]

has to be Heresy, Malice won't do

[stiff orchid]

well its counting on malice, just not the actual seconds

[mild parrot]

no they fixed it at launch, diff 3 is good now

[cyan echo]

Are you SURE?

[mild parrot]

I goit it ^^

[cyan echo]

Hm, alright

[mild parrot]

and I'm not good enough to go toheresy :p

[stiff orchid]

Ive been doing it on malice but the amount of time you need to hold it sure as shit isnt 300 seconds

[cyan echo]

Heresy isnt much harder as long as you don't have the endless horde modifier

[inland sphinx]

uhhhh...i lost my starting prison clothes QwQ

anyone else had this problem? only have it on my psyker

[regal raft]

Yeah they mentioned they were looking to fix it in patch notes

A lot of people lost random stuff

[inland sphinx]

oh goooood, i liked the green shirt

[regal raft]

I lost all my helmets on my

Sharpshooter

[inland sphinx]

oof

[regal raft]

And it got restored next login

[cyan echo]

i wanna try this mkv axe everyone is on about, but i havent seen it in my store so far

[regal raft]

I think that’s a sharpshooter and zealot only one? I can’t say for very I could be wrong

The mk5 tactical axe right?

Not the combat axe?

[cyan echo]

mk5 combat i think?

isnt Atrox MK V the one people are talking about

[regal raft]

Oh the two handed one

Combat is two handed if I remember right

And atrox tactical axe is one handed

And yeah they’re talking about it before

[cyan echo]

Hmm, im not sure which one people are all abuzz about

[regal raft]

Lemme know if you figure it out, I might know, and even if not and you learn which it is let me know

[limpid veldt]

Ok

[ruby merlin]

Antax mkv combat axe is the one you're looking for

With brutal momentum as the perk

You can clutch any situation with that + peril block if you play right, mostly you'd just have to dodge all the specials. In melee you could kill an infinite number of ragers given enough time.

[bleak tulip]

combat is still one handed

[regal raft]

Noted and thank you

[bleak tulip]

also its the middle one

[regal raft]

Is the tactical varients the transcendent unique name?

[bleak tulip]

tactical is its own separate type

which a less strikedown moveset

[cyan echo]

i dont think ive ever seen it in the store

or maybe i just wasnt looking at axes

[regal raft]

Thought so, thank you.

[wispy tangle]

i kinda wanna get pick n mix done just so i don't feel as locked into a talent build optimized for fishing for it, it's starting to be my biggest gripe with the penance

[bleak tulip]

4head answer: stop worrying until BB gets buffed

[forest meadow]

I feel your pain, only thing left to do

[wispy tangle]

fatshark: instructions unclear, nerfed BB again

[regal raft]

That made me giggle, thank you

[candid temple]

3 variants of axes, 1 force sword

[regal raft]

We all know they’re going to write off a “Buff” that actually makes other changes that make it a hard nerf

Making bb even worse

It’s going to happen

[bleak tulip]

class limited weapons all are 1 only anyway, like powersword, eviscerator and even chain axe

[vale trout]

I died to a monstrosity yesterday that had only about 15% remaining health

[candid temple]

I don't use BB at all, so can't be worse.

[vale trout]

I almost had the penance

[regal raft]

Literally same

[ruby merlin]

I mean BB works as long as you can one shot snipers and bombers with it.

[candid temple]

or I could shoot them with surge

[bronze sierra]

same @candid temple

[ruby merlin]

@candid temple On damnation you generally aren't going to be pressured if a sniper is already in surge range.

[regal raft]

They showed a two handed force sword in the trailer, so at some point at least we will get that.

[bronze sierra]

i just find my voidstaff to be more effective than brain burst, especially with my usual group

[ruby merlin]

It's for the bad situation where your team is like x3 zealots with flamers, sniper in the distance and you gotta kill it.

[young summit]

probably only viable at rank 1-3 , but the combat knife absolutley minces everything.
And then when you get something a bit to armored, pushback and brainburst them.

[fair axle]

Trololololoooo.. Finesse is more important than damage..

[regal raft]

Hah

[paper trail]

Voidstrike staff just feels nice slapping it off peoples face the squish and dingie noises it makeals

[ruby merlin]

test in psykanium, it's more reliable.

[fair axle]

I can't believe that something with.. Worse damage has.. better damage because it got 1% finesse..

[regal raft]

I agree, void strike feels the best

[ornate hamlet]

Gigachad chat

[ruby merlin]

Also posted the section from the book in the book section, with the exact quote that leaves it up to the reader @regal raft

[bronze sierra]

@paper trail thats what i call heretic bowling

[ruby merlin]

Surge works well in damnation, and void works if your melee weapon is good at cc

[bleak tulip]

dont get hung up on the damage number up there, its more of a generilization

[regal raft]

Based naming

[paper trail]

Its not finesse though its first target is it not

[bronze sierra]

or if youve got a group that does CC worl

[bleak tulip]

also first target likely did more for the damage number than finesse

[fair axle]

No, those numbers shows the avg DPS which is still more damage :).. I know what they represent

[bronze sierra]

it definately helps that my go to voidstrike has +20% unsrmored and +15 against flak

[paper trail]

Fiest target changed my weapons damage atata significantly

[left hare]

is void strike purely for crowd control

[ruby merlin]

yeah void melts hordes, surge is better for when your team is being overrun by x4 crushers or something.

Void is DPS

surge is CC

[bleak tulip]

its alright at sniping minor specials too

[left hare]

surge is the lightning?

[ruby merlin]

and the axe is more for dps, while force sword is more for cc

[bronze sierra]

@paper trail

[ruby merlin]

Yep @left hare

[fair axle]

Void = DPS
Purge = Stagger & DPS
Surge = CC

[bleak tulip]

its no XII las or bolter but void can snipe specials too

[left hare]

yeah 4x crushers is way more game ending than horde tbh

[bleak tulip]

and you clear trash while youre doing it

[young summit]

so voidstaff if you have a ogryn in the group, surge otherwise?

[bronze sierra]

purge does shit with DPS if you rely on its soulfire

[ruby merlin]

@young summit depends on your melee. If melee cc, go void. If dps melee, go surge.

[fair axle]

Void has the best damage, but worst stagger.
Purge has good damage and good stagger.
Surge has bad damage, but best stun.

[bleak tulip]

its not a flowchart, both work

[bronze sierra]

then theres trauma

[wispy tangle]

seen a bunch of ogryns praise surge staff and claim it to be their favourite thing ever

[ruby merlin]

Like force sword push attack can replace surge staff if you're decent with it.

[fair axle]

We don't talk about Trauma

Trauma is heresy

[left hare]

trauma doesnt exist

[ruby merlin]

Trauma isn't actually terrible

You can spam low charge

and it staggers elites

[bronze sierra]

the trauma is the black sheep of the staff family

[fair axle]

Trauma is super terrible..

[young summit]

Trauma is loveley for gamepass users, that hasnt even gotten the fix for it !

[ruby merlin]

It does the job in damnation for cc

[bleak tulip]

void can also stagger elites on low charge is the thing

[fair axle]

Anything Trauma does Purge, Surge and Voidstrike does better

[ruby merlin]

@bleak tulip For me, trauma hard staggers them on low charge though

like two low charge ones can knock them to their feet.

maulers etc

[bronze sierra]

i mean mechanically ill take trauma over purge, but i find the purge to be way more fun

[ruby merlin]

it'll do no damage, but it is more directed than surge

and can hit more targets at once

so it's not 100% useless

[bronze sierra]

but its still just bad

[ruby merlin]

but only for damnation

[bronze sierra]

even then use void

[wispy tangle]

i get the feeling trauma is supposed to be a general purpose staff, while surge, purge and void are all more specialized tools. the issue seems to be that trauma is seen as being a bit unsatisfactory at everything it does

[bleak tulip]

I just operate under "dead is best CC" so surge is utterly boring to me and trauma is a waste of time

[ruby merlin]

@bronze sierra Void won't stagger the elites as long as trauma for damnation

[bleak tulip]

purg is worse dps so bleh

[left hare]

void strike feels so meh

I think i'll do lightning

[bronze sierra]

usually by the time it finishes the stagger, my groups already killed em

im usually chaff clear

[ruby merlin]

@bleak tulip I mean I think it only really matters if you play damnation, on heresy or below, play whatever you want to play the most. But trauma can 100% work if you want it to work.

Stagger is way more valuable in damnation because of the HP buffs the mobs get

on heresy it's whatever, they all melt anyway

[bronze sierra]

with my group it never really is an issue

[ruby merlin]

For pugging, I'd say surge > trauma = void for damnation.

Since the stagger can really help pugs

and pugs can generally kill hordes if they're on damnation, so void is not as useful.

[left hare]

what is purgatus?

[fair axle]

Purge can clear an entire horde on Damnation + any elites mixed in before they reach your team.. It's not bad at all.
You pick the staff according to your team.

• Lack of flat instant damage? Void
• Lack of reliable stagger? Purge
• Lack of reliable stuns? Surge

[ruby merlin]

the fire staff

[bronze sierra]

fire @left hare

[left hare]

oh

[torpid hemlock]

If you want to kill use purgatus if you want to stun specials and ranged use surge

[ruby merlin]

@fair axle My only problem with that is that anyone playing damnation can probably deal with hordes more or less, they aren't going to die to a horde with no specials in it.

So stagger/stun value goes way up.

[left hare]

i agree cos vermintide is the same

[wispy tangle]

i really like how surge staff can really mess with a horde's ability to push down a corridor, since the CC'd enemies become obstacles for the enemies behind them trying to push forward

[left hare]

its always armor that screws the team not horde

[torpid hemlock]

If specials are in a horde you can’t target it with surge anyway 💀

[ruby merlin]

Test the trauma in the psykanium if you like, spam low charge on a mauler or something. They just keep falling over and get perma cced.

[torpid hemlock]

Trauma is a meme staff

[bronze sierra]

see

[ruby merlin]

@torpid hemlock True, but generally your pug thins out the horde, then surge stuns elites.

[bronze sierra]

the thing is

you dont need to cc the dead

[ruby merlin]

@torpid hemlock It isn't a meme staff, it really does work on damnation.

@bronze sierra depends on how fast your pugs can kill elites on damnation.

[torpid hemlock]

Why would you use trauma over anything else hahaha

Actual meme staff

[bronze sierra]

i dont got past malice with pugs

[ruby merlin]

I would use trauma over fire staff for sure (for damnation)

[torpid hemlock]

Worst aiming in the game

[ruby merlin]

Malice is whatever

[bronze sierra]

dont go*

[torpid hemlock]

What crack have you been exposed to

Who is ur dealer

[ruby merlin]

I mean it works, you could use trauma to clear damnation in the closed beta.

You just cc stuff, it's not that hard

spam it close to you

[bronze sierra]

namely cause i want to be able to comms with a group that i know with heresy or higher

[torpid hemlock]

Highest peril usage for the most mid results

[ruby merlin]

when there's a bunch of elites stacked up

[fair axle]

And I'm telling you, my Purge staff deletes Maulers, Ragers and whatelse is in a horde before they reach the front, so.. I have no need to stagger them on Damnation..

[bronze sierra]

as ive said ash

[ruby merlin]

@fair axle the stagger is a bit less for me.

[bronze sierra]

no need to CC the dead

[torpid hemlock]

Purgatus is probably the best staff yh…

[ruby merlin]

And mostly it'll be the ogryns

[torpid hemlock]

Kills very quickly and has unlimited stagger too

[ruby merlin]

@torpid hemlock low charge trauma doesn't really cost a lot of peril.

[torpid hemlock]

Mf is the trauma tiger

[fresh reef]

For context in how stupid good the stagger is for Trauma, think of that one circular data interrogation point. You can hard stagger a poxwalker through the data center

[bronze sierra]

too much for too little result in regards to perils

[fair axle]

Oni-chaaan

[ornate hamlet]

You saw nothing

[fair axle]

I saw everything

[fresh reef]

Max quell speed go brr

[bronze sierra]

i mean sure

[torpid hemlock]

Silence trauma staff enjoyer away with thee

[bronze sierra]

but i got like a 76% quell on my void

[ruby merlin]

Yeah trauma is quite good if people actually run it for a bit on damnation.

[bronze sierra]

so BALL GO BR

brrt

[ornate hamlet]

I must now be purged and serve the emperor in death. I shall travel the warp purging heretics

[fresh reef]

Voidstrike = angry bubble wand

[ruby merlin]

I would say void is the weakest on damnation, because horde clear isn't really that needed when your party has 3 other people who can do basic melee combat.

The stagger on void is too low

[sour marten]

Hey guys, new psyker here. What weapons do you guys use? So far all of the melee weapons kinda... suck and the staves feel kinda bad too.

[bronze sierra]

i mean i run void for the same reason i dont use BB anmore

[torpid hemlock]

Force sword - purgatus or surge

[fresh reef]

A 360 degree shove that does damage however, that is useful

[ruby merlin]

@sour marten Antax Mk V axe as melee dps is god tier, staffs are fun, bb long range specials or ogryns.

Dueling sword is great too

[fresh reef]

💀

[bronze sierra]

my group completely dunks on elites but can struggle with hordes

[ruby merlin]

and force sword with deflection and peril block makes you the best tank.

[torpid hemlock]

Force sword is the best melee

Unlimited dodge lol

[bronze sierra]

thus i take chadd clear role

[worthy wasp]

Force Sword is prob best melee in the game tbqh

[bronze sierra]

chaff*

[ruby merlin]

@bronze sierra on damnation? In that case I guess they all went bolter or something lol.

[sour marten]

Thanks guys, imma go try them out.

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp I disagree, the antax mkv is the easiest to clutch with IMO

infinite cleave, massive dps

[fair axle]

Voidstrike --> Your team lacks flat instant damage
Purge --> Your team lacks stagger also has decent damage output
Surge --> Your team is incapable of dealing with disabling specials and Ogryns
Never bring Trauma.

Force Sword for the win. It gets Deflector which let's you block all projectiles.

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-kes-gif-22966763

I play the game for fun

[bronze sierra]

they dont really like bolter, its like a hellbore and other things

[polar gulch]

yeah I prefer the axe simply because of its attacks

[ruby merlin]

Trauma is a targetted surge @sour marten

[bronze sierra]

the ogryn made a meat wall to hold em down

[ruby merlin]

It's not useless

[tender cipher]

Voidstrike -> You trust no one.

Not even yourself.

[fair axle]

^or that

[fresh reef]

Dude said bring purgatas over trauma for stagger lmfao

[devout belfry]

"Targeted"

[sour marten]

Guess i'll be using the voidstrike staff when I find it haha. Thanks again

[ruby merlin]

You just aim it on the ground

[tender cipher]

Don't trust the veteran to snipe shit in a horde and don't trust yourself to snipe the sniper because lol BB lock on? Use void staff throw rockets and pray.

[worthy wasp]

My issue with purg is the complete lack of range

[ruby merlin]

it's not that hard to aim it right under an ogryn, charge it for 0.1 sec and let go to perma stagger it 😛

[bronze sierra]

the zealot goes hard into single target

[acoustic spade]

but Surge does CC specials quite nicely, just stops a mutant in its tracks

[fair axle]

Begone heretic, you have no place here.

[fair axle]

Weeeell.. Sometimes.

[ornate hamlet]

G

[ruby merlin]

Either way, no staff is 100% bad

they all work to some degree

[tender cipher]

@fresh reef

[paper trail]

Those are pretty nice blessings! davey504 would probably approve of this staffs slap

[fresh reef]

True

[sour marten]

Oh, I almost forgot. Any "necessary" talents? I know lynchpin on ogryn is pretty good. Anything like that on psyker?

[fair axle]

There's also the whole issue with uhm.. Surge doesn't really stun if they're mid animation until

[ruby merlin]

If you give J_sat a trauma staff in damnation, he'll still easily clear and be really good at ccing elites and carry.

[worthy wasp]

Feel like the 2 best staffs are easily purg and void... and in theory purg synergizes with your kit better due to soulblaze and BB SHOULD give you the range that Purg lacks.... but BB is ass

[ruby merlin]

@sour marten peril block is a must IMO

turns you into the best tank in the game.

[fair axle]

Psychic Communion and uhm Kinetic Flayer

[fresh reef]

Does warp resist stat on force sword affect peril block?

[fair axle]

True, but you need deflector first for it to really shine..

[ruby merlin]

The only 100% must take perk for me is peril block

@fair axle You can just LoS ranged, or close in with them and just hit them.

[sour marten]

Alright, thanks guys

[tender cipher]

It's really stupid that you need a perk to completely change your game play style as opposed to using feats to do it.

[acoustic spade]

same, it changes how you can handle melee encounters so much

[fresh reef]

Skill
Issue

[tender cipher]

I really have no karkin' clue as to why FatShark thinks that is a good idea.

[ruby merlin]

On the antax mk v peril block is amazing for letting you 1 vs 5 ragers on damnation and easily win with just push attack spam.

[tender cipher]

I guess they want Psykers to have a chase item?

[ruby merlin]

You can play psyker more aggro than a zealot with peril block and the antax combat axe.

[nova needle]

Have you heard about the Surge staff run movement that deal max dmg after you use your special attack (hold right, hold left) you sprint forward immediately after or change to your melee to animation cancel to deal max dmg.

[ruby merlin]

just be aware of ranged groups, and either los them or charge them asap before they split and post up.

[bronze sierra]

boids also great for anti cover

[devout belfry]

More detail?

[fair axle]

This is why you just have a deflector force sword.. You do become the best tank in the game, 'cos force shield is 360 degree block and not also blocks all projectiles.

[ruby merlin]

@bronze sierra surge is better for anti cover.

[primal aurora]

why?

[hard breach]

Thank you Emperor, this is really what i wanted on my psyker, truly

[ruby merlin]

@fair axle But the dps is meh on it, while the axe just cleaves everything.

It's a cc melee, so if you bring that, you need a dps ranged horde clear

so don't do surge + force sword

[candid temple]

if weapons were account wide, I'd cry a lot less.

[bronze sierra]

its got more range than surge

[devout belfry]

I believe all weapons block 360 degrees. You just take a stamina penalty when blocking out of your angle.

[ruby merlin]

@bronze sierra it doesn't go through cover as well as surge

[gray kelp]

I have like 5 transcendent guns from emperor's gift at this point, I havent recieved a single staff or force sword of any rarity

[ruby merlin]

Yeah redsorceress is correct, all blocks are 360.

[worthy wasp]

Force Sword + Void Staff covers all the bases

[acoustic spade]

Would you rather have this?

[candid temple]

surge actually has a lot more range than you'd think.

[tender cipher]

No just walk up to them confidently and tell them about the merits of worshipping the Corpse Emperor.

[polar gulch]

nice damage

[ruby merlin]

@worthy wasp only thing, that is not as easy to clutch with in a 1 vs all situation on damnation.

[hard breach]

Yes, actually

[ruby merlin]

Because when you clutch, you need to be in melee

and the force sword might fail vs horde + multiple ogryns + maulers.

[acoustic spade]

The mobility stat is enough to cause you to sprint slower than default 😭

[ruby merlin]

While the axe can just slowly grind through all of them.

[tender cipher]

WOW SO GUD

[bronze sierra]

b ut it can @ruby merlin

[primal aurora]

should I get this curio?

[fair axle]

Do you want to tank or do you want to DPS, 'cos you don't get to do both. If you want to be the "best" tank, it comes at a penalty of not murdering a horde as fast.. If you want to melee a horde on a Psyker quite frankly.. Why aren't you playing Zealot then O.o?

[ruby merlin]

@bronze sierra post some 1 vs all gameplay with the force sword on damnation.

[tender cipher]

[devout belfry]

Yes. It'll increase your item level and be useful for crafting either way.

[ruby merlin]

@fair axle Because I find psyker melee to be stronger than zealot melee personally.

[acoustic spade]

I thought Item Rating no longer mattered?

[bronze sierra]

nick their head and itll kill em

[ruby merlin]

@bronze sierra I've seen it done with the axe and the dueling sword, haven't seen any footage of that on a force sword yet.

[bronze sierra]

even when their head behind cover