psyker-class

[tall mango]

my Beloved keeps me dripped up

[eager wolf]

No idea but it was only 3 bucks

[buoyant spruce]

bruh I don't got that kinda skill

[shut thorn]

ngl I don't see why you're not picking psychic communion, maybe buffing psykinetic aura would make more ppl pick it

[wet gust]

Why you repeat the same sentence everytime? x' D

[light quail]

this is what I rock for now

[shut thorn]

but right now not picking psychic communion is just throwing

[unkempt juniper]

cus its true

[weary wasp]

Spend all your cash, support the developer

[frail geyser]

Swapping croucb off ctrl helps so much

[tall mango]

cringe mask, let the world see your face

[worthy wasp]

Feel like Warp Charges are really good, but BB is ass.

So traits that give Warp Charges w/o using BB are the best

[frail geyser]

I run it on c

[polar gulch]

spend all my cash on beer to increase my killing power

checkm8

[wet gust]

Remember that we can ask for refund 🤷‍♂️

[frail geyser]

Witn shift for dodge

[worthy wasp]

Hence why I go 111332

[inland juniper]

Rock and stone

[polar gulch]

to the bone!

[light quail]

yeeeeah, rock & stone!

[inland juniper]

Psyker feels so much like V2 Sienna in all the right ways

Really pleased with this class

[weary wasp]

Me when unchained

[unkempt juniper]

when the add a 'for the emperor' shoutout it should give allies in coherency free toughness once every minute or so

[pine iris]

BB play with lasgun + strong FPS aim skills is viable at any level

[karmic quail]

Are any ex-Sienna players having difficulty picking up Psyker?

[inland juniper]

Coherency is such a good mechanic too, especially for psyker who doesn't have great toughness generation

[inland juniper]

Me lol

[weary wasp]

Just play vet at that point

[inland juniper]

Love the class but it's a paradigm shift

[light quail]

lemme drop my ogryn rq

[shut thorn]

I generally run 111133, considering 111113, for purg I run 111122

[buoyant spruce]

I absolutely love psyker, just not BB.

[inland juniper]

My ogryn is called Pogryn

[unkempt juniper]

facts. Brain burst needs to 1hko all human sized enemies in any difficulty

[weary wasp]

Well maybe not crushers

[unkempt juniper]

crushers are not human sized

[inland juniper]

Let me brain burst my allies

[unkempt juniper]

they are ogryn sized

[weary wasp]

Fair

[shut thorn]

ehh

If anything it'd be nicer if brainburst gave you warp charges regardless if you kill or not

[buoyant spruce]

bb just feels very niche, so I have to sacrifice some feats to get warpcharges differently because I don't want to BB unless required

[unkempt juniper]

by human sized i mean everything but ogryns, mutants, hounds and bosses

[karmic quail]

BB should at least one shot "douchebag" specials like trappers and dogs

[weary wasp]

Consider that evescerator can cleave through horde and still kill a mauler at heresy

[shut thorn]

I genuinely would rather not have mauler get ohk by bb

[buoyant spruce]

I think you should get warp charges passively with 6 max stacks, and you consume them with bb.

[wet finch]

Why should bb be optimal to use in every circumstance? just like the grenades on every other class, G isnt used all the time

[inland juniper]

Pyromancer gamer spotted

I spam spyker magic lol

[buoyant spruce]

[inland juniper]

Shits so fun

[unkempt juniper]

i just think bb needs to actually 1hko elites

[pine iris]

You run purg staff?

[buoyant spruce]

surge but switching to voidstrike

Surge is boring

I miss my headshot blam blorm squank sounds.

[worthy wasp]

One thing I think is bad from a design standpoint for Psyker:

Warp Charges shouldnt come from BB kills

[pine iris]

Surge is pretty boring I agree, it's almost too good

[inland juniper]

Charges should come from psyker magic kills in some way though

[weary wasp]

I wouldn't call it good outside of cc

[buoyant spruce]

agreed. baseline, regardless of feats.

[pine iris]

Void is my favorite but I think it requires a REALLY good staff

[shut thorn]

Surge is 50/50, you lose the ability to do any meaningful damage at range for special immunity, the issue is that it just feels really boring to play it

[karmic quail]

BB should give two charges

[unkempt juniper]

i honestly think the feat that grants a 4% chance to gain a warp charge should be a basic passive

and that should be the main way to get them

[buoyant spruce]

I actually had surge staff really show its weakness in a match today.

You just get outplayed by hordes, like really consistent hordes.

[pine iris]

270 degree turning and holding the mouse button is viable Surge play

[buoyant spruce]

Cuz you just don't contribute to enough aoe dps

[polar gulch]

yeah surge charged up should affect a lot more enemies

[shut thorn]

A way to make surge staff more viable for it would be to have the current "stun" on the special attack and have some single target zap ability for damage

[light quail]

2 charges on special kill, 3-4 on ogryn kill could work

rewards you for using BB to target and dunk on specials

[shut thorn]

Or you know, make the full charge requirement lower for t4/t5 stun

[light quail]

this too
BB charging faster with more warp charges

would be the tits

[autumn lark]

give bb on scoring a kill with a staff or psyker sword

[frail geyser]

Got +20% to unyielding and flak on a good surge roll today and it contributes more meaningfully now with the new dmg scaling imo

[pine iris]

This is the answer imo too

[light quail]

tbh speeding up bb with charges would work magic for maintaining high charges

[frail geyser]

Maybe surge dmg will go way up when we can stack crit on gear

[light quail]

seems a little too slow to keep rolling at times and I'll lose a 4 stack by half a second or so

[candid temple]

bb weapon swap is still going to be clunky

[shut thorn]

Also ngl the fact bb is the way it is isn't that bad, psykers should be using force weapons to augment their power anyw in the lore

[worthy wasp]

BB by design will always be either bad or op

[frail geyser]

I feel like replacing staff special with a buffed bb would be smart

[autumn lark]

staff special is genuinely useless

[shut thorn]

Idk if they've set up weapons to allow charging on special attack or if it's just a trigger input

[autumn lark]

literally no one uses it

[worthy wasp]

Either it 1 shots or it doesnt, and if it doesnt then you get what we have now.

They need to rework it along with how you generaye warp charges

[frail geyser]

You can charge one of the ace specials like a heavy attack iirc

*axe

[pine iris]

"What would psyker combat look like" was always a 40k nerdy thing to talk about. It's so fun to see it working in a game

[light quail]

the way it is now is fine BUT
either increase bb charge speed with more warp charges or have more warp charges generate from special kills and its perfect

[frail geyser]

But if bb was like it was now but got charge speed and warp resist from staff

Itd be way better

[shut thorn]

Really if you want to fix the aggressiveness of it, add a power sword equivalent

[analog bone]

If at least bb reset warp charge duration even without killing could be an improvement

[frail geyser]

Bandaid fix tho

[autumn lark]

bb just needs to be faster and needs to generate less peril

[shut thorn]

Power sword was initially on psyker anyw in the early testing

[worthy wasp]

This tbqh

[light quail]

might come with the next subclass or as a weapon drop then

[plucky carbon]

Heyo, I have been playing psyker since the beta and I have to say I am not so sure I have gotten any better. Any recommendations?

[worthy wasp]

And Warp Charges should def raise BB charge speed

[light quail]

hope next subclass is unchained esque

[shut thorn]

It's a 50/50 on if devs really want to add the greatsword

[stoic saddle]

BB faster if you keep centered on the target could be cool.

[light quail]

🤝

[shut thorn]

hopefully they do but I don't blame them if they don't

[autumn lark]

this would be the best solution

[pine iris]

@plucky carbon what's your loadout and in what areas are you falling short in your matches

[light quail]

it'd fit for a more tank/melee based psyker, alla unchained

[autumn lark]

they need to otherwise the psyker trailer is false advertisement

[shut thorn]

Psyker was the first one to get power sword fyi

And it was moved to vet

[candid temple]

dual wield force swords pls

[tall mango]

have BB let us put up a shield instead of the charge

[worthy wasp]

I think its hilarious tho that the meta Psyker traits are the ones that allow you to ignore BB's existence

[weary wasp]

Dual wielding is cringe

[shut thorn]

greatsword would be a nice eviscerator equiv

[analog bone]

Ahah would be badass

[polar gulch]

yeah, quad wielding is better

[weary wasp]

Facts

[shut thorn]

I mean it's lore accurate

[pine iris]

Also - Darktide is like realtime, actually fun, actually beautifully rendered dungeon crawling RPG combat. That in itself is an achievement for the dev team

[analog bone]

Tech Priest intensify

[autumn lark]

i just wish high peril was rewarded more

[stoic saddle]

10 swords grafted to your finger tips or nothing

[worthy wasp]

You play vt2?

[plucky carbon]

I mostly use the force sword and the Trauma force staff (sometimes I swap for the voidstrike). I guess I just feel like I am dying super fast. Even on teams well below my level, but then I am also supposed to provide melee support for full guard teams? Or?

[shut thorn]

Would be cool if they added a tech priest with like 8 weps that cycle but that sounds really intensive to model and animate for and then to program for

[pine iris]

Yes, I am saying Fat Shark's baby is beautiful

[light quail]

just need to remember that psyker is squishy af
100 toughness and 150 hp :(
treat melee as a last resort and generally keep to the backlines

[tall mango]

BB has one really good niche use tbh
Getting a sniper without staying in its sight

[shut thorn]

How are you fighting hordes w/ force sword?

Are you doing light attack->combo into heavy->repeat

[worthy wasp]

Tbqh I think eventually DT is gonna be the superior title.

Toughness as a mechanic >> Temp HP

[plucky carbon]

Force push/swipe/swipe/dodge/force push

[analog bone]

What i can see with tech priest would be mechadandrite activation adding some Lazer shooting on each attack. And I think would be badass

[shut thorn]

Throw in a heavy after the light

[bleak tulip]

stage 1 block push staggers like 6 enemies in front of you, you can weave that in and never take damage

[pine iris]

How is your melee? Get a surge staff and a dueling sword if you need practice there.

[worthy wasp]

Ye I 1000% believe ppl are sleeping on Psyker in melee

[plucky carbon]

Really? Won't that slow me down?

[shut thorn]

Dueling sword no longer has a niche, forcesword got unlimited dodge now

[light quail]

both are tailored to each game and its cool to see
toughness is there as a buffer so you dont get eviserated by ranged, rewards staying together and working together
temp hp rewards you for being aggressive and thinning hordes

[bleak tulip]

it had unlimited before

[plucky carbon]

Dueling good for hordes or elites?

[shut thorn]

No, it's quite fast

[shut thorn]

I remember slowing to a crawl in pb after third dodge

[analog bone]

You have difficulty in wich lvl of difficulty 3+?

[bleak tulip]

and I know for a fact I was side dashing all over the map with the same fsword I still have now

[worthy wasp]

Let me rephrase...

Psyker is far more durable than its base toughness/hp lead you to believe.

Deflector + Force Sword push are absolutely clutch

[pine iris]

@plucky carbon get away from the trauma staff

[pearl lynx]

what lvl can you get the surge staff?

[pine iris]

@shut thorn what's a good trainer melee weapon (vs being "best" melee weapon)

[plucky carbon]

What would you recommend?

[shut thorn]

Weird, shame I didn't notice that then, granted I stopped using the force sword much after like middle of pb

[worthy wasp]

Force Sword is amazing tbqh

[light quail]

I'd give the Catachan sword a go

[pine iris]

@plucky carbon if you plan on playing 4/5 with your psyker you'll have to learn surge staff in the current meta

[frail geyser]

Its still got a v good dodge

[worthy wasp]

Just using the special to charge it and light attacking something does work vs elites

[plucky carbon]

Surge is like warp lightning, right?

[worthy wasp]

• specials

[shut thorn]

yes

[pine iris]

Yes

[light quail]

surge is lightning
trauma + voidstrike are impact(?)
purgatus is fire

[analog bone]

You are a cc debuff machine in 4+

[plucky carbon]

Ah gotcha. Hmm I'll get a better one then. My old one is bad.

[worthy wasp]

Firmly believe that the staffs are what make Psyker worth taking and are clearly what separates them from other classes.

And I firmly believe that force sword complements staff the best due to its unmatched defense

[light quail]

imagine an ice staff though

[worthy wasp]

Force Sword dodge, push, and best block in the game are legit

[weary wasp]

Surge is good cc but somewhat teethgrinding to use

[light quail]

could be a spin on purgatus
less dmg but you slow down enemies with the charge up

[pine iris]

If you really love psyker you can work toward a build with force weapons and the feats tuned for it @plucky carbon

[plucky carbon]

I am a psyker fan so fo sure

[worthy wasp]

Ye, I dont see myself ever picking up the other classes

[light quail]

yeah the staffs are balling, as fun as the other guns are
space wizardry is dope

[weary wasp]

You should

[light quail]

only other class I had time on is veteran

vet is good but my beloved calls me back

[worthy wasp]

Its a trip

[weary wasp]

Just to see what and why people do what they do

[analog bone]

I totaly agree with you but at the current state psyker lack ability to create or maintain his warp charge with his weapon. A rifle for kill an elite is better than a staff

[summer prairie]

unlimited dodges don't matter when the dodge distance is so trash, is there a force sword variant with decent dodge

[light quail]

although one thing I have to note: I feel like a lot of veterans cant hit the side of a barn at times

[high fulcrum]

Press right trigger.

Sometimes push left trigger twice.

Push right trigger.

[worthy wasp]

I think Kinetic Flayer is necessary to accomodate for the playstyle

[weary wasp]

The kill feed confirms that. Kekw

[azure fern]

I felt more accurate at lvl 1 with my laspistol then i think our veteran at trust 5 was

[summer prairie]

dueling sword is still way better for kiting and movement in general due to the movement tech

[primal aurora]

dueling sword is unique for psyker?

[pine iris]

That's why I was suggesting dueling for getting better at melee, you learn the value of dodging bc it's so wide

[worthy wasp]

Dueling Sword cant block ranged tho

[azure fern]

lots of dodging and situational awareness

[worthy wasp]

Nor can it push as well

[azure fern]

flick behind you and whack any poxies behind you

[light quail]

as the old saying goes:
the trapper's dea-a-a-a-ad!

[worthy wasp]

And Force Sword is p legit at handling elites

[azure fern]

the ones behind you is priority always

[hard breach]

As an ogryn i have to do that often with my grenade gauntlet. Killing specials and elites because the sharpshooters can't aim for damn and take too long

[split elm]

Emperors gave me an actual gift

Shame the mk v moveset isn’t great

[deft trench]

Have they mentioned anything about improvements to bb on higher dificulties yet? Or is it just gonna stay as a poxwalker popper in order to keep stacks lol

[plucky carbon]

Just died to a daemonhost😅

[frail geyser]

They haven't said shit

[azure fern]

Daemonhosts are situationally easy or a nightmare

[light quail]

dude I ran into one of those this morning and shit myself

[azure fern]

If a Slab Shield Ogryn aggros them

you win

[analog bone]

If you don't have a Shield daemonhost will rip you

[azure fern]

Anything else = bad time

[weary wasp]

Think devs have a lot on their plate already, so they don't say much. Performance is a priority

[plucky carbon]

It executed both psykers and then died to combined vet fire

[azure fern]

weird

[light quail]

I think I hit it with a stray staff shot and before I knew it my guy was getting bent like an action figure

[azure fern]

it should leave after it kills 2 people

[worthy wasp]

Sucks because BB is supposed to be the defining feature.

If BB is left as is, I think it'll wind up being Psyker's weakest class once all the careers get new classes

[split elm]

Most psyker melee weapons seem to have unlimited dodge now

[plucky carbon]

I like

[urban jungle]

So, with Brain Burst, you can just use the left click to charge it up on your target without having to keep your crosshairs clued to them? On controller, but I think the same principles apply

[mint burrow]

Speaking of, has anyone felt like the game is running worse on release when compared to the pre-order beta? I already did the fix in the config files but I still am not getting as good performance

[primal aurora]

wait, what? dodge was limited?

[weary wasp]

Not for me, no

[deft trench]

Game definitely runs worse now

[light quail]

I've found my perf to be better than beta but i had a lot of crashes changing cosmetics

[split elm]

Yes

[analog bone]

I find it more stable , only one crash yesteday

[unique sapphire]

left click, hold and go look at something else

[split elm]

Weird lags

[plucky carbon]

My team just chose not to rescue me???

[weary wasp]

I had some rubber banding in lobby tho

[gleaming sparrow]

Yes it's terrible, sometimes my fps drops to like 20 when before I was running at 120+ smoothly

[pine iris]

perf regressions in this release definitely.

[urban jungle]

Thanks, way better than just the right click charge

[light quail]

not your fault if they lose then
bad teammates

[deft trench]

Automatic hardware detection even lowered itself for me after launch compared to beta lol

[plucky carbon]

Yeah just weird, I've seen a bit of psyker hate online. Anyone know why?

[vague dune]

How is force sword best horde clearing weapon on psyker?

[pine iris]

it could be a literal debug build, slowing the game down. on the same maps I see worse performance than the last beta

[light quail]

lmao same for me
below min so it set me to low everything, lowered it even more because AMD sampling can get bent

[worthy wasp]

Its not

[vague dune]

Which is it then

[deft trench]

Flame staff

[worthy wasp]

Fire staff

[weary wasp]

you misspelled 'veteran'

[vague dune]

Melee weapon, i mean, sorry. But what lvl is flame staff?

[unkempt juniper]

voidstrike staff

[signal turret]

shove

[frail geyser]

Iight>heavy>push chain is 2 diag sweeps into the best push in the game

[pine iris]

I cant wait to get try force sword, haven't seen one yet

[unique sapphire]

and you never will

[pine iris]

Not nice!

[frail geyser]

Psa your weapon does diff stuff depending on what precedes it in the chain

[inland juniper]

Probably because the class isn't simple

[weary wasp]

Force sword rights revoked

[inland juniper]

There was similar hate for V2 Sienna for a while

[steep laurel]

I prefer the catachan sword personally but the force swords are solid

[deft trench]

Has anyone seen any new weapons yet btw? Thought thered be more psyker specific ones for launch at least

[bold maple]

prob cause psyker’s everywhere

[polar gulch]

there aren't any

[weary wasp]

I had a team of 3 just yesterday

[analog juniper]

because brainburst sucks probably

[inland juniper]

Tbh it does

[unkempt juniper]

there were rumors we were getting 10 new weapons on release, did that happen?

[pine iris]

@deft trench no new weapons yet.

[bold maple]

I played 10 map today and there’s always another psyker beside me

[steep laurel]

really? Played last night and we saw 1 other psyker in 10 games

veterans for days though

[inland juniper]

By the time brainburst triggers the enemy has already died to 3 bullets

[signal turret]

Only seen a few psykers in heresy qp today

[vague dune]

@inland juniper precharge

[pine iris]

I dont think there will be new weapons until sub classes come out

imo

[signal turret]

and most were chain casting bb 😦

[inland juniper]

Fair

[steep laurel]

you need a good team to know not to shoot anyone with a glowing head

[weary wasp]

If you don't wanna get dunked on by a team, then channel the big pp energy and help out your allies as a priority

[steep laurel]

save their ammo

[unkempt juniper]

and the things that don't die to 3 bullets take 2 bursts...

[uneven marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/K6XnA4j.png
Does this make sense or is this fatshark math (like Taleworlds math)?

[pine iris]

new weapon = a lot of QA work

[unkempt juniper]

exponential scaling rather than linear

[uneven marsh]

mmmokay

[hollow granite]

I am a new player and I really like psyker, I like the ability to delete specials at range just like that, hoping I get more aoe sometime tho

[bleak tulip]

staves are good for aoe

you get those later

[hard breach]

Siblings. The preachers are calling us "Tasebots" I don't want to hear that from suicidal meat shields

[boreal wave]

Glad I'm not the only one.

[uneven marsh]

I'm ok with being a tasebot

[pine iris]

Can it, in good faith, be denied?

[hard breach]

Yes. I am a flamebot as well thank you!

[left tusk]

nothing you need to concern yourselves with, beloveds

[uneven marsh]

As long as they acknowledge that between stam curios and kinetic deflector I'm better at picking their sorry asses off the ground than the ogryn.

[wet gust]

When the first staff appears to low level Psyker?

[light quail]

think its around lv5

[wet gust]

Thanks!

[pine iris]

@hollow granite look up flame staff (purg) and surge staff (electric) load outs and gameplay. pick your favorite

[boreal wave]

The pattern is that brain burst becomes useless and, once we unlock staves, we start becoming gimmicky staff spammers. The two staves that give us purpose are the surge staff for CC, and the Void staff for killing power.

Don't get attached to BB. It loses it's power fast.

[hard breach]

Beware the trauma staff sibling

[hollow granite]

Alright cool, ty, I do not have staves yet...also demotivating to hear that about BB I guess

[pine iris]

don't believe the negative hype

[uneven marsh]

Trauma staff is cool at first but quickly becomes underwhelming

[worn heath]

void does trauma's job better is the issue

[uneven marsh]

Though to be fair the coruscation staff sucked in VT as well

[hard breach]

It needs a buff and hopefully that will be acknowleged (did I spell that right?)

[bleak tulip]

I'm gonna try trauma again now tht the scaling is different maybe its not terrible

[weary wasp]

Bb needs more synergy in general. Like detonating stacks of soul blaze for aoe explosion. Otherwise it's kinda boring imao

[tacit fractal]

That’s why I use my trusty Void strike staff for it also makes a crispy sound when you hit enough enemies

[boreal wave]

It's due for buffs. It got massacred in an over-nerf in beta.

Problem is that veterans will always snap up what you're trying to BB for more efficiently, and you keep the peril.

[pearl lynx]

been waiting for hours for the surge to rotate into the store x.x

[pine iris]

@hollow granite if you're good at shooters, buy a recon lasgun along the way. works well and is fun to play with the class

[bleak tulip]

imagine being able to channel BB as an aoe or something

[uneven marsh]

That'd also give soulblaze a use

[bleak tulip]

thatd be a good use for rmb

[tacit fractal]

Recon lasgun also works well with Kinetic Flayer

[plucky carbon]

Do forgive my negativity, but damn so many guns delete elites better than brain burst does

[worn heath]

would bb better if it procced a warp charge per bb cast as opposed to bb kill

[bleak tulip]

because BB is bad and you might be playing on heresy

[grizzled iris]

Like XII lasgun

[hard breach]

Why I stopped bothering

[vivid merlin]

bb is currently the biggest trap in the Psyker kit

[pine iris]

BB soulblaze AOE, circumference as far as the brain splashes

[vivid merlin]

and the trait perks make it seem like it's a good buildaround ability when it simply is not

[tacit fractal]

I feel like BB is there for damage support instead of damage dealing right now

[vivid merlin]

new players going to think brain burst good

warp charges feel half cooked and unsatisfying too

[light quail]

3rd trait on 3rd row?
(15% extra dmg to bb'd enemies for 5s)

[shut thorn]

Either my initial guess was right or it's just luck, out of 5 sedition runs i've gotten 3 emperor's gifts, opposed to basically none from 2 damnation and 2 heresy runs today

[pine iris]

That's the story

[light quail]

gonna give that a try

[plucky carbon]

One of my biggest gripes is the fact that ai need to pull it out ever few moments to keep up the warp charges and it just feels really slow

[tacit fractal]

Nah, the one with when you hit there’s a chance to bb

[pine iris]

I say psyker is a support class in this way, they remain the most "open" to do what the team needs at all times

[light quail]

oh?
gonna need a look at that when I see it

they could work well together if they arent in the same part

[tacit fractal]

Recon lasgun and Kinetic Flayer is fun

[pine iris]

It's such a fun class. Elites are never a problem in my matches

[light quail]

hit + dmg debuff or kill via bb

[compact cargo]

My suggestions for warp charges would help this

• Enemies killed after you bb them, get you a warp charge if they die in 5 seconds
• Enemies you are charging a bb on, give you a warp charge if killed before, let's say at 20% instead of the current 70%
• Done, BB fixed, removes all the bs about asking the allies to "let them live"

[hard breach]

I run purgatus around passive gain and bb procs often. I have plenty of warp charges to use to set things on more fire

[tacit fractal]

You hit them and there’s a chance of bb on the target

Any weapon

Which makes Recon lasgun strong with it

[shut thorn]

all 3 gits were blue purgatus

[pine iris]

when I am BBing, I am facing some other direction getting in place for my new action

I almost never see my BBs go off

[tacit fractal]

Same

[compact cargo]

BBs stop working vs eliteso n heresy and up

Just be warned

I walked the path of loving bb too much

[wet gust]

DO I have to charge full to burst? I can't burst when I want?

[compact cargo]

Nope, gotta full charge

[pine iris]

1000 damage, across all levels. it still stuns and has unlimited range

I dont see the problem

(IMO)

[plucky carbon]

The one shot bb in the beta was addicting

[shut thorn]

bb is fine as it is

[compact cargo]

1200 damage with warp charges, more at 6.

The problem is hp scaling on heresy and up. You stop using it as crushers take 3 bbs and maulers 2, worse in damnation, hounds also start taking 2

[void anvil]

can purgatas hit weakpoints??

[subtle robin]

I have a conspiracy theory

fatshark made the bad microtransaction store to distract the community from the obvious fact that psyker is bad

[hard breach]

The problem is that it takes too long to use for not enough damage on heresy and up. It loses it's usefulness

[void anvil]

trying to plan for the crafting system

[compact cargo]

So ur relegated as a cc slave or a horde clear with the staves while only using cc vs enemies that run away, and ur vet failed to deal with, trappers, snipers and bombers.

[pine iris]

they're also being headshotted while I'm BBing or after while shaking violently. BB is a play maker

[compact cargo]

Which contradicts ur class as using bb to "keep up charges", when keeping up charges barely changes anything higher up

[compact cargo]

Veteran can kill elites in the time u do a first bb, u won't even have time to get 90%

[hard breach]

And it don't even kill it

[compact cargo]

Exactly

[plucky carbon]

BB certainly feels lack luster at low level

[compact cargo]

Atleast right now veterans are malding that they take double damage due to toughness bug

[vivid merlin]

Bb is a great skill for helping to highlight target for veteran when their ability is on CD

[plucky carbon]

But it looks better down the line

[autumn lark]

If you want the monstrosity achievement do it with a deticated team

[boreal wave]

It gets worse down the line

[hard breach]

Tagging does that already

[tacit fractal]

Two problems with bb, it doesn’t scale which makes it difficult in a way in heresy/damnation. Warp charges feel terribly rewarding which they could fix by either extending warp charge duration, decays over time per charge instead of it all or just make it effect your gameplan more with damage outcome for example

[compact cargo]

It gets worse since it doesn't scale well

[vivid merlin]

you can only tag one target at once

bb gives you an extra tag its op

(this is satire)

[compact cargo]

That would still make warpcharges ignorable, making warp charges stronger with the bb changes I listed, would mean that I am doing bb on range occasionaly to maintain high damage and been REWARDED for maintaining it

[sinful vigil]

why does the surge force staff feel like it only hits like, 3 enemies

[compact cargo]

It hits 6!

[analog juniper]

skill issue

[sinful vigil]

does item level or charge level matter?

[hard breach]

you can only tag once. If the entire team is not also tagging threats something is wrong

[sinful vigil]

or its always 6

[shut thorn]

The non scaling should stay, you're meant to use your primary and secondary not sit in g for the entire 8-15 min

[compact cargo]

Don't know tbh

[compact cargo]

But we should be using it in heresy and up, atm we aren't. Using it 3-4 times per match is not how it should go.

[signal turret]

instant cast = 6
full charge = 8

[vivid merlin]

yeah the wrong thing is I'm playing with random strangers I don't control every aspect of the life of

[signal turret]

dont charge it

[shut thorn]

I still use it occasionally to get a sniper across the map or a scav bomber that will inevitably break los

[pine iris]

"the veteran can kill this single elite faster than BB" is the wrong way to be thinking about DPS getting spread around the field of battle

it shows a misunderstanding of the gameplay imo

[hard breach]

Time you spend "tagging" with BB is better spent killing something or CC

[compact cargo]

Again, using it 3-4 times is not using a CORE MECHANIC of your build that we just ignore by using feats.

[sinful vigil]

ok thanks

[vivid merlin]

did you miss the part where I said I was joking btw

[shut thorn]

It's in the grenade slot, your core mechanic is force weapons

[signal turret]

time you spending using BB you can be infinitely more useful using your staff

[tacit fractal]

Sitting on G is stupid and people who do that in any difficulty have not played it enough because sitting on G never works

[tacit fractal]

No

[signal turret]

unless its a vet that cant aim, dont use bb

[plucky carbon]

I meant more MY lasgun kills elites faster than my brainburst

[compact cargo]

In the time you bb, you yourself can stagger several elites in a horde... Up to 6 of them, which is more useful than doing a bb on somethign the vet can 1 shot.

[shut thorn]

Go rewrite the lore then

[balmy jacinth]

It'd be nice if they increase the bonus damage that bb gets from charges to at least let it hit a couple more breakpoints, dogs at least

[pine iris]

@compact cargo watch some high level play

[compact cargo]

It's literally our only source of warp charges outside of feats.

[compact cargo]

I watch my own, lol

[balmy jacinth]

Doesn't need to 1-2 shot everything like in lower difficulties though

[analog juniper]

people who are sitting on G are either noobs or trying to get the penance that forces you to be carried because you have to sit on G.

[pine iris]

I meant of people playing BB

[plucky carbon]

What is sitting on G?

[shut thorn]

I've already stated previously I would rather have charges accumulate from warp kills in general not just bb or atleast let bb gain a warp charge even if it doesnt kill

[compact cargo]

I see exactly the issue I got, you are lowering the average dps/utility and either:
Tag team with vet so they use slightly less ammo
Compensating for a bad vet

[signal turret]

being carried using nothing but brain burst most of the match

[plucky carbon]

I see

[compact cargo]

What you wish is not what is atm, as is bb is a core of your kit that we aren't using

[acoustic spade]

Ok, can we please pause BallBust Balance-discussion and answee my question: How does aggro work in the game, why does the Plague Ogryn always come for me, I cant block during Force Sword special attack

[deft trench]

thought i'd found something amazing until i looked at blast radius

[hard breach]

Ooof

[tacit fractal]

Only focusing on using brain burst and literally nothing else which in malice or higher makes you useless and the die fast :)

[light quail]

Emperor have mercy

[plucky carbon]

Ouch

[shut thorn]

dude idrc, I do fine not using the g button at all on t4/t5

[bleak tulip]

elite killer trauma

[compact cargo]

U took less damage than ur team, my theory is that the ai director malds whenever someone doesn't take damage and always targets them, this is based purely on me trying to do no damage runs, u can't blcok stomps

[shut thorn]

It nukes elites but other than that, lmao

[tacit fractal]

Huh

[compact cargo]

"I do fine not using the core mechanic of my class at t4/t5", that's exactly the issue, we CAN run difficulties without using our CORE MECHANIC

[light quail]

ballbust

[pine iris]

core mechanic of this sub class

[compact cargo]

Hell running BB is often is less damage efficient than just ccing/horde clearing

[shut thorn]

Peril is our core mechanic, there's other feats to trigger warp charges, cb brainpop 'meta' wasn't fun

[acoustic spade]

yeah I know you cant block stomps, its the swipes when im trying to dps it down

[hard breach]

Not much of "sub-class", when it's the only one we have innit?

[plucky carbon]

While I completely agree the staves are better in every aspect, do we ever get the opportunity to use a bolter/bolt pistol?

[signal turret]

infinite dodges on force swords is kinda crazy

[analog juniper]

more like we have to not use the core thing to be fully effective or relegate it to niche uses. Usually only when there is a bad or no vet then bb has to be used on snipers and the like

[signal turret]

especially if you mix in dodge sliding

[light quail]

wait I have an idea:
take the BB trait that makes enemies take more dmg and swap it with a later trait
I get the feeling more would use BB on t4-5 if it meant debuffs and warp charges on other kills

[tacit fractal]

Fatshark

[bleak tulip]

reasons why the vent talent is dog

[autumn lark]

just backstep against plague ogryn they cant do anything to you and will most likely de agro and go for a teamate

[lethal cipher]

No-one dared to ask a question no-one dared to make a slip, no-one dared to quiz the psyker with a big book on his hip

[shut thorn]

[compact cargo]

CBT BB Spam wasn't fun, absolutely agree here, the mechanic of our archtype is peril...our subclass is based around warp charges, which we require bb for, I want bb to be used as a tool to soften elites, maybe apply rending or something and deal with running threats...not just a situational "oh he is running" tool that doesn't encourage me to keep warp charges up, because I do not have to manage them to be effective.
@analog juniper Exactly dude, thanks

[autumn lark]

plague ogryn seem scary but theyre piss easy to dodge

[queen lava]

Book weapon would be so cool

[light quail]

that headpiece gives me some major GTFO vibes
just needs some goggles

[floral stump]

I would be down with a book for spells as melee and a staff as spells for ranged

[plucky carbon]

Chaos subclass

[last sleet]

I like how they ran out of cool names. Veteran? Sharpshooter! Zealot? Preacher! Ogryn? Skullbreaker!
Psyker? eeeh, I dunno. Psykinetic? Isn't that the same? Who cares?

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-heretic-heresy-mad-gif-14026553

[compact cargo]

Hell it's listed that we are suposed to be "elite killing"...we are the third best elite clear in the game.

[shrewd plinth]

honestly bb would be much more useful if it was less charge up and more cooldown based. get the burst damage out then pay the downtime penalty instead of pay downtime then maybe do the damage if it's still alive.

[autumn lark]

chaos subclass would never exist

[analog juniper]

I need a book weapon on Zealot

[acoustic spade]

that is not what I was asking, was asking if theres any rhyme or reason to their aggrotargets, plague ogryn itself isnt a problem

[autumn lark]

agro is very very weird i think its based on how good you are playing

[shut thorn]

Voidstrike bufff kinda gives us that role back but even then, I do agree bb is eh, though I'd rather not be swapping to it 24/7 like cb

[signal turret]

Good way to catch a bolter round in the back of the noggin with overnight shipping from your local commissar

[autumn lark]

because i seemingly get targeted by almost everything and nothing when i need it to

[shut thorn]

BB would honestly work better

[balmy jacinth]

Chaos related ones could potentially, seeing as it's somewhat implied that grendyl is a radical inquisitor

[shut thorn]

If it had a cooldown instead of chargeup

[tacit fractal]

That seems kind of strong i’d say if they made warp charge decay longer like 40 seconds istead of 25 would be great

[plucky carbon]

Hey hey yall wanted a book weapon

[balmy jacinth]

Daemonhost class would be interesting

[plucky carbon]

Thats peak heresy

[floral stump]

Oh that is so silly. It almost certainly will in time. The KNowledge of Chaos has been learned, Knowledge corrupts, therefore it is only a matter of time until the knowledge of chaos corrupts you entirely.

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/cease-your-heresy-warhammer-heresy-astartes-gif-18053812

[floral stump]

We are working for an Inquisitor

[worthy wasp]

I think all Psykers will have peril.

Without a doubt this will be the only one with BB

I wouldnt be surprised if this was also the only one with Warp Charges

[hard breach]

Honestly really upping it's damage in exchange for a cooldown is something i'd be fine with

[acoustic spade]

Its just annoying when you force sword special it while it is attacking someone else, and it turns around and hits you before you can block

[floral stump]

As long as the heresy helps to clean up another hersy the lesser heresy is kinda glossed over

[shrewd plinth]

I'm thinking post bb animation lock. so you can't insta bb into melee or w/e

[light quail]

there are a few ways to buff BB imo:
-charge faster with more warp charges (25% faster at max?)
-build in lane 3 perk 1 (4% for warp charge on kills)
-build in lane 3 perk 3 (15% dmg to BB'd enemies)

any of these 3 would slap

[ember kiln]

Warp battery penance have to be on heresy or above? not malice like the tooltip states?

[compact cargo]

Aggro seems to be based on damage taken, I wish I had more people to test this, but whenever someone takes little to no damage:
Director goes nuts and starts spawning a lot of specials mostly targeted on the person with less damage taken
Director starts ignoring people on wounds or lot of damage taken, to the point dogs will ignore zealots on passive and rush to whoever has less damage

Sadly I can't claim this is true coz no access to proof outside of my experience

[queen lava]

I'd rather a blaze spear for melee and a book for a different varient on ranged damage just personally

[analog juniper]

Where is the Inquisition? Too much Heresy in here.

[queen lava]

I miss the closed beta peril bar

[compact cargo]

Anything that makes bb and warp charge manegement worth bothering with, is a win in my book

[shut thorn]

Grendyl is radical

[tacit fractal]

In what context, visually?

[balmy jacinth]

They're the ones making most of the daemonhosts in the first place

[analog juniper]

H-Heresy!

[shut thorn]

same

[queen lava]

Honestly it feels better since launch than it was in the last beta

[unique sapphire]

correct

[pine iris]

gn all, fun group

[ember kiln]

Thank you

[shut thorn]

gn bob

[shrewd plinth]

Also I know loads of people hated it, but I kinda miss the force sword push peril. Let you spam peril up super quick for the force weapon damage buff.

[queen lava]

I really liked the feedback of a bar filling to show how close I was to exploding, the big coloured number feels somehow more intrusive and gives me less information at a quick glance

[shut thorn]

also staff specials should do something more than just awkward slow single target swings

[compact cargo]

I think they finally fixed the 6 warp charges not applying peril reduction properly, we can cast at less peril now with charges which feels more rewarding, it's still not that great

[light quail]

I get the feeling psyker subclasses are gonna be tough to make

[acoustic spade]

I tried to play VT2 and could not play Sienna without exploding cause I never realized when it was full cause Im so used to numbers and whispers

[worthy wasp]

Just copy pasta and reflavor sienna tbqh

[hard breach]

Overall I like the visual and sound of perils though

[analog juniper]

One of the Psykinetic Wrath perks for lvl 30 should make enemies heads explode in the shockwave, delete the one that uses warp charges for regen speed

[stoic saddle]

Have these always had a chance to deflect?

[light quail]

unchained psyker is gonna slap

[stoic saddle]

*to roll deflect

[shut thorn]

deflector has been around forever

that is honestly the worst fs roll ive seen tho

[eager wolf]

Yeah

[queen lava]

Eh, I liked the closed beta meter better, the one in vermintide 2 is a bit too long and skinny

[shut thorn]

worse than the one previously posted here

[balmy jacinth]

They're the only weapon that gets deflect afaik

[subtle robin]

we already have the unchained ult

[shut thorn]

friend's power sword has deflect

[tacit fractal]

Could be better stats, deflector has been a thing for awhile

[compact cargo]

The mobility roll will be pain for you, that's 2 good dodges, a meh dodge and then all useless dodges

[queen lava]

I want that blessing so bad

[acoustic spade]

my point is I hope FS doesnt just choose one over the other and gives like, a HUD setting for choosing one

[shrewd plinth]

yikes

[shut thorn]

that is genuinely the worst purple fs

anyone has posted

I hope you didn't upgrade it yourself

[light quail]

feels like a worse version of it buts till

[acoustic spade]

cause if I lose my red shaking 90% from the center of the screen I will keep exploding forever

[vivid merlin]

FULMINATE

[shut thorn]

[queen lava]

I'm all up for more UI customization. I never really liked overwatch much but the UI customization on that game was something else

[shut thorn]

I just want a good void staff

Atleast wasting so much time buying void staffs just to upgrade them to garbage tier will be useful later if blessing stripping actually works as advertised

[queen lava]

I'm pretty happy with most of my staffs for now but sadly I need more resources to upgrade

[analog juniper]

I want deflection on my force sword and I'm looking for a good trauma staff

[shut thorn]

Also I like how they said they upped the resource gain when it's actually lower now

[shut thorn]

why trauma

[acoustic spade]

Oh yeah, do peopke have an opinion on my Emperor's gift I got yesterday

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826903581520166942/1047691527499030548/image.png

[dull root]

Is there a clear winner as to "best" staff?

[analog juniper]

I deleted it around 15 and want to try it again

[compact cargo]

Each staff has a niche

[shut thorn]

dmg = void, horde clear = purg, cc = surge, highest actual dmg with clunk = trauma

[dull root]

And is the force sword the go to melee for a psyker?

[tacit fractal]

Void is great at cc too

[warm bolt]

They all have the same ranged light?

[acoustic spade]

not purg

[warm bolt]

I just started leveling psyker lol

[shut thorn]

and horde clear

imo void is 1#

[warm bolt]

I want palpatine hands lol

[shut thorn]

yeah p much

the issue is getting a good roll

[analog juniper]

Void is great at horde clear actually, and I wouldn't necessarily its worse than Purgatus at that

[tacit fractal]

Chainsword is also fun

[shut thorn]

Purg is slightly better at horde clear, at the cost of dmg against anything that isn't a poxwalker, and lack of range

purg staffs with the hipfire blessing are fun tho

[tacit fractal]

Also void can shoot through corners because hitbox and explosion hitbox are different

[shut thorn]

What a shit roll

[tacit fractal]

You can peek enemies behind fences and shit

[shut thorn]

Time to wait another hr lmao

[zenith fox]

Hey does anyone know if warp battery is still only doable on heresy or can u do it on malice now?

[tacit fractal]

Get a gift from missions or try Melk

[analog juniper]

I mean at least you can spam it

Lol

[shut thorn]

I can spam my surge staff or other void staff

[tacit fractal]

Warp battery being the one where you need to have warp charges for 300s? You can do that in Malice iirc, it should show it in the penance

[vivid merlin]

what's melks favourite drink

[tacit fractal]

Milk

[bleak tulip]

melk

[tacit fractal]

Fuck

[shrewd plinth]

fixed to work on malice I heard.

[zenith fox]

It was bugged and only doable in heresy or higher despite saying malice so I'm wondering if it's fixed now

Awesome

[tacit fractal]

I did it on malice from what I can recall

[shut thorn]

fcking why

[tacit fractal]

[vivid merlin]

How does warp nexus work

[zenith fox]

Do you have to keep max stacks for 300 secs or can you like get 200 secs with max
Run out
Then get max and keep it for another 100?

[vivid merlin]

is it 4% at 5 stacks ie max peril

or 20% from 5 stacks of 4

[shut thorn]

its 20% at max

[celest oar]

its based on peril not BB charges

[shut thorn]

Which doesnt even matter cuz its a void staff

you can get crits by just aiming for heads

[tacit fractal]

Best to try doing it on max

[bleak tulip]

weakspot =/= crit

[celest oar]

Has anyone gotten soulblaze + warp nexus on a lightning staff?

[zenith fox]

You mean in 1 go?

Or difficulty

[tacit fractal]

In 1 go

Not difficulty god no lmao

[shut thorn]

Heavily considering getting this to masterwork

[tacit fractal]

I tried that, 8 minutes straight with 100% peril, the penance would’ve been done in 5 minutes when in fact after one mission check, it was charges

[small egret]

Decent spread of bars on that bad boy, not bad at all

And good blessing too for it

[bleak tulip]

thats a bunch of mediocre rolls tho

[shut thorn]

its purg

[celest oar]

Oh are you talking about warp battery? thought we were talking about warp nexus

[shut thorn]

w/ warp flurry

[celest oar]

Warp battery needs to be done on heresy

[small egret]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[tacit fractal]

Nah bruh they changed Warp Battery

[celest oar]

Is your penance 0/300? Or is there a value

If there isnt a value, then you need to go to heresy

I already completed it long ago, so i cant tell you

[zenith fox]

It's been slowly going up

[trail condor]

hey what %is critcal peril anyone

[zenith fox]

256 is my best so far

Can't tell if it was on heresy or not

[tacit fractal]

@zenith fox Just go read the penance, read it literally and nothing else, you need 300s straight with warp charges in the difficulty or higher it says

[zenith fox]

Ik

[celest oar]

I am tempted to buy this https://i.imgur.com/wFG5YSX.png

[bleak tulip]

just take purg on heresy, get all the charge talents which you should do anyway and warp battery is a joke

[celest oar]

Never seen a blazing spirit on a force sword

[tacit fractal]

Do it

[zenith fox]

It was bugged before and only doable in heresy for some reason which is why I came to make sure before attempting it now that I finaly got cliffhanger

[polar fractal]

i found the 300s warp chargs penance rather easy, ngl

[zenith fox]

Bruh wtf

[analog juniper]

Damage a bit low tbh

[polar fractal]

but i still struggel with the push over 7 enemies to their death lmfao

[tacit fractal]

It is

[frail lodge]

why do sharp shooters get a crowd control force sword, sadge

[zenith fox]

Wasn't it 20?

Did they change it to 7 bruh

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[polar fractal]

6 still is my best, i just can't be arsed actually fishing for it

[mild lotus]

Siblings, am I the only one to experience sudden lowering of the volume of the game?

[polar fractal]

yes

[zenith fox]

Bruh

[polar fractal]

the reason why i waited for release

[celest oar]

It needs the weekly currency, so i am not sure if i should

[bleak tulip]

7 is actually possible without actively cheesing it so its a good change

[zenith fox]

Yeah

[shut thorn]

up to you entirely, but it's defo gonna one shot maulers on heresy w/ spec heavy

[tacit fractal]

There’s a ledge at chasm logistratum at the beginning next to the bridge, cooperate with your team to do it

[thick surge]

nah that sword is average, wait for a n actual good masterwork instead

[polar fractal]

yeah i know about that one

[shut thorn]

actually dont

its not deflector

[tacit fractal]

WAIT you struggled with the 7???

[polar fractal]

but i just can't be arsed asking randoms, that definetly is a me issue

[tacit fractal]

Not the og 20?

[bleak tulip]

I mean dont worry, psyker still has enough shit penances where you gotta stop everyone else from doing things and play badly to do them

[analog juniper]

Devs are obviously sharp shooters. They get the best guns, best melee, best toughness, best perks and the best ult.

[zenith fox]

I got the og 20 like a day before pre-release maintenance 😭

[shut thorn]

malleus is a lot easier now due to daemonhosts though

[polar fractal]

i might just ignore the push over 7 dudes one alltogether, ngl

[bleak tulip]

demonhosts fuck now tho

[polar fractal]

everythign after tier 1 psyker penance helmet looks garbage imho

[zenith fox]

I got 16 once without trying so yeah

[leaden knot]

is this a decent staff?

[orchid dirge]

i feel this, kerillian was always top damage/kills no matter what

[polar fractal]

and i can just buy that one in the store

[bleak tulip]

i'd probably prefer doing it against a plague ogryn

[shut thorn]

it used to be psyker's

[tacit fractal]

I just told you where to do it

[small egret]

That's a disgusting staff wtf

[analog juniper]

Top tier, other than the warp resist

[shut thorn]

yes, paul allen's cc staff

[tacit fractal]

There are multiple ledges in the game where they were exactly designed for the penance

[celest oar]

I am wondering if anyone has gotten blazing spirit + warp nexus on the lightning staff, does it stack soulburn like no tmr?

[bleak tulip]

warp resist is a dump stat anyway

[polar fractal]

i just can't be bothered going out of the "natural way" of a mission to do it

[thick surge]

damage/crit damage/charge rate roll on surge is kinda wasted imo. You want max warp resistance and quell speed for spamming

[zenith fox]

7 will happen by just playing the game dw

[shut thorn]

wait at valkyire pad at end of most missions, push off 7 people, done

[tacit fractal]

It’s baby easy

[shut thorn]

opposed to the original way of chasm tiny bridge

[acoustic spade]

Iirc I had 6/20 as my best for the entire prerelease beta

[analog juniper]

Dmg and crit means you CC and murder elites

[bleak tulip]

well that one has decent ish quell so its not like you waste much time, and you might actually be able to kill shit for once when you have rolls

[celest oar]

Do people here use dueling swords or force swords? Or something else

[bleak tulip]

the best CC is dead

[shut thorn]

force

[bleak tulip]

force, the interrupt is god tier

[shut thorn]

w/ 80% mobility the dodge penalty is gone

So no point using dueling

[bleak tulip]

the main reason people use duelling is passive venting

which is much better on duel

[analog juniper]

Dueling has like 2km dodges though

[bleak tulip]

and force has infinite

[quartz wagon]

[bleak tulip]

so

the distance doesnt really matter when you can just keep dodging

[leaden knot]

i love playing support ;p

[gray kelp]

i wish psyker couldn't use guns so I'd be able to have a chance to get a good staff more than once every 10 shop rerolls

[wooden forge]

i played sharpshooter, i got votekicked after killing every special, i see now the hatred isn't only from psykers as it was 2 ogryns and a zealot lol

[celest oar]

if only this was on my voidstrike https://i.imgur.com/1i70wXw.png

[polar fractal]

same, that's why my first level 30 char was a ogryn lelek

[quartz wagon]

Hello fellas, is it just me, or does bb the dog make it ragdoll out of control since launch

[leaden knot]

haha

[shut thorn]

damn shame its trauma

[thick surge]

I prefer rapier by a lot. Much easier to control hordes with high atk speed weapon not to mention the passive quelling

[celest oar]

this as well - . - https://i.imgur.com/kClXuAB.png

I seem to only get good rolls on trauma staffs for some reason

[thick surge]

but without heresy+ breakpoints I feel like almost all melees are still viable

[bleak tulip]

try the fs block interrupt for control

[shut thorn]

wudve been a gr8 trauma staff with 80% charge rate

[bleak tulip]

people sleep on that

[gray kelp]

btw, decent roll on this? it's the first voidstrike I've seen in like 5 days

[thick surge]

I'll give fs another go when I manage to get a good roll on a one

[shut thorn]

yes

[gray kelp]

voidstrike warp management seems easy to begin with so not sure if having a higher warp res/quell speed is super important

[shut thorn]

the rating is low which sucks, but everything else is good

[thick surge]

I mostly played whc in VT2 so for now rapier is more comfortable to use in general

[bleak tulip]

thats good

hope you get a good blessing

either way keep the staff for when they add blessing crafting

[gray kelp]

i already know ill get an absolutely rancid blessing that gives me like 0.5% more dps

[shut thorn]

^

[gray quarry]

is Pick n' Mix bugged for anyone else? I can't get progress for it at all

[bleak tulip]

put max roll transfer peril on that thing once you can and never stop firing

[analog juniper]

Rate my staves

[gray kelp]

ooh i got warp flurry, only the -4% one tho

[thick surge]

I feel like perk levels from the shop are almost always lvl2 or 0 right now. In beta lvl 3 was a lot more common

[polar fractal]

can someone confirm if "going out with a bang" is indeed malice and not diff4 for some reason?

[bleak tulip]

had the record reset on it too so maybe its visually bugged

[celest oar]

It was malice

[thick surge]

good thing I banked up on a lot of good perk weapons for upgrade fodder when they release the system

[summer prairie]

the last few days of beta had that nerfed shop already

[celest oar]

I main both an ogryn and pysker, its annoying to get weapons for two characters

[gray quarry]

Can't get progress on it at all, and there's no way I'm not killing at least 2 elites in a row during my Heresy missions

[polar fractal]

sweet, might try and do that. Still think going out with a bang is just made to grief your team mates, but everything for the drip eh

[bleak tulip]

still good tho

[analog juniper]

the damage on this

[bleak tulip]

its not a progress thing, you have to do it all in one go, thats why I said I thnk the bar is bugged maybe

it only showed your record

same with cliffhanger

[shut thorn]

keep

i would upgrade ngl

[bleak tulip]

shame about finesse

[shut thorn]

thats whatever ngl

[summer prairie]

the damage roll doesn't seem that important for FS, the actual damage ranges are pretty narrow

[bleak tulip]

and ripose is pretty mid

[bleak tulip]

it really isnt

[summer prairie]

really depends on breakpoints

[shut thorn]

Right it affects crit/weakspot

F

[bleak tulip]

FS lives and dies by finesse

[brave drift]

Not getting materials from a failure is such bullshit.

[analog juniper]

not getting materials from discarding a weapon is the real war crime here

[bleak tulip]

thats the thing about FS breakpoints, you need those weakspot hits to really scale it, slaughterer can offset that a lot tho

thats why I would recommend you take any FS with slaughterer as long as it has halfway decent damage and finesse

the rest doesnt matter as much

[brave drift]

To be fair, it's discarding, not dismantling.

[shut thorn]

I really hope the crafting system lets you make 380 greys

[bleak tulip]

its unlikely we get to "make" weapons

[analog juniper]

More dmg, more power!

[brave drift]

Hedge already said that apparently we can't because it's not in line with the lore.

Posts all over Reddit about it lol.

[shut thorn]

F

[bleak tulip]

I can see where theyre coming from but its also a bit disappointing

if only they could add back chests or something like that

[shut thorn]

Time to spend more time on darktide with the riveting gameplay of standing infront of armory for hours

[bleak tulip]

give me a real reason to get grims and shit

[orchid dirge]

None

[bleak tulip]

thats what I mean, I want the post mission box bar back

[brave drift]

not even a guaranteed reward at the end.

[thick surge]

a map selector would go a long way for now

[shut thorn]

I really don't get why it's gone

[brave drift]

Max level grind has regressed.

[shut thorn]

It made you excited to finish missions and try to get all grims

[bleak tulip]

I can only imagine they might add it back later

[split elm]

Ok this weapon is surprisingly good

For some reason it causes massive stagger, even on Elites

[bleak tulip]

or at least make item rewards post mission a 100% thing

[split elm]

It might be the rending thing

I can knock down Maulers with light attacks

[thick surge]

too bad it's the mk V variant with defenses and mobility. Those stats overlap in what they do and have a ceiling/cap to em. So any stats going beyound a combined 100 from defenses/mobility is wasted

[nimble gorge]

That would be nice, especially if they add bonuses for if you killed a daemonhost during the mission

[thick surge]

otherwise a good roll

[summer prairie]

I think it's not true that the combined 100 is wasted, if you look at the stats that doesn't add up at all

when you examine and look at dodge distance

[thick surge]

hmm maybe they changed that from beta then

[celest oar]

do you guys use deflector on your FS?

[split elm]

The moveset for the others is much nicer for sure

I love the lunge attack

[shut thorn]

yes, it's ideal

w/ block peril you can basically revive anyone on t5 w/o any worry even in the middle of a horde

[fluid wren]

decent?

[thick surge]

that's actually huge haven't thought about that

[shut thorn]

no

[thick surge]

finally allows a psyker to carry matches

[bleak tulip]

below 300 base rating usually isnt good

[shut thorn]

even if it was 385 or something it'd still be awful

[fluid wren]

thats because im lvl 20

[shut thorn]

Don't upgrade it

[bleak tulip]

yeah use it and toss it later

[thick surge]

what do you think would be the ideal blessings for void and surge? transfer peril for void for sure, but dunno what else would be optimal

[shut thorn]

shame abt dmg, first target and finesse should still give me like 2k on a reaper head w/ special heavy

[gray quarry]

Do daemonhosts count as a monstrosity for the purposes of malleus Mostronum?

[lost aurora]

yes

[orchid dirge]

i think so

[autumn lark]

yes

[orchid dirge]

bosses on elimination do too

[tacit jungle]

wtf

[shut thorn]

1.4k, ouch

[tacit jungle]

time to gather my ogryn shield gang and blast shit up

[autumn lark]

easiest monstrosity would probs be plague ogryn or beast of nurgle

[gray quarry]

That's what I'm thinking

[thick surge]

can brainburst even kill a daemonhost quick enough? Since he dissappears after killing 2 teammates

[shut thorn]

daemonhost is significantly easier w/ someone to block it

[tacit jungle]

the ogryn can tank the daemon for two weeks if it wants so you can take your time

[gray quarry]

bosses in assassination missions count as monstrosity for the weekly, so who knows

[autumn lark]

thats the issue

[shut thorn]

yes, you get an ogryn or psyker to aggro it

[gray quarry]

Ogryn walks up and shields ez penance

[shut thorn]

said psyker shud have a high warp res sword w/ peril block feat

[light belfry]

do you guys prefer the force sword or the dueling sword? I didn’t enjoy the force sword much when I first used it, but that could be a skill issue. The main thing I like about the dueling sword is the dodges and the fast lights letting me dodge around and quickly stagger chaff while I chop them up over time

but it doesn’t actually feel that crazy strong in terms of damage output, so I’m thinking I should try the force sword again

[tacit jungle]

force sword for special popping corruptors, fuck the stupid eyes

[orchid dirge]

worth upgrading?

[shut thorn]

force sword is significantly better this patch than it was before

[candid temple]

force sword can dance, but doesn't have amazing move set for horde clear.

[thick surge]

okay for now, but I'd wait for a better damage and finesse rolls

[wispy tangle]

force sword is good, light-heavy-push combo for hordes, special-heavy for elites/specials/bosses

[summer prairie]

the hordes don't even matter though

[orchid dirge]

ty

[light belfry]

yea but to be fair neither does dueling sword really right

[summer prairie]

all that matters for psyker melee is mobility

[light belfry]

as in as of full release? What did they do to it?

[summer prairie]

FS does have deflector, but other than that not seeing how it is worth using over dueling sword

[shut thorn]

dmg scaling is diff, fs does VERY good dmg now ontop of unlimited dodge

[worthy wasp]

Lol @ judging FS by its ability to clear hordes. What scrubs

[summer prairie]

unlimited dodge doesnt even matter when the dodge reset is 0.85s and your dodge distance is way worse

[leaden knot]

wow this weapon can go up to 503 😮

[shut thorn]

which is why you get high mobility

[summer prairie]

high mobility with a dueling sword still makes the distance much higher

[worthy wasp]

Say youre a noob without saying youre a noob

[autumn lark]

the second heavy on force sword has cleave so

[light belfry]

isn’t the push on force sword pretty great as well

[summer prairie]

regular horde is irrelevant, only ranged enemies matter

and cc

[fluid wren]

dueling sword my beloved

[shut thorn]

yes

[light belfry]

compared to dueling sword

[leaden knot]

what is max rating?

[split elm]

There’s something weird going on with the dueling sword

[inland juniper]

What's the general opinion on psyker? Good, bad, middling?

[summer prairie]

new update 30mb

[haughty harness]

I feel like I'm doing something wrong on Psyker. Is there a "right" way to play it?

[split elm]

It headshots flamers for 1000+ damage without crits

[viscid matrix]

500 or so, you can probably get higher, but anything above a 80% is locked

[light belfry]

I’m quite fond of dueling sword don’t get me wrong I’m not necessarily looking for an excuse to drop it I’m just worried that it might be a comfort pick because I used weapons like it in vt a lot

[shut thorn]

high utility

[light belfry]

worried that I might be overlooking other things because of it

[polar fractal]

not ogryn, but i still enjoy playing one very much. although i am only level 20 and hence didn't go higher than difficulty 3 so far

[honest geyser]

what kind of curios are people running? I figured wounds was the best but grims hit you hard

[shut thorn]

what lvl are you

[haughty harness]

8

[shut thorn]

max health for grims

[worthy wasp]

Lol

[exotic kindle]

psyker is bad rn

[shut thorn]

make an opinion at lvl 18, or more preferably lvl 30

[vocal agate]

I would say good up to malice, heresy+ mediocre / i am personally dissapointed

[shut thorn]

psyker gets significantly better once you get void or surge

[summer prairie]

surge psyker is very high utility for t5

[exotic kindle]

entire kit is around a bad blitz

[shut thorn]

purg too

[wise stag]

Any tips on what talents should I pick?

[shut thorn]

???

[haughty harness]

Will do. What do you recommend for main and secondary weapon type?

[candid temple]

have you heard of staves?

[shut thorn]

No one uses bb at t4/t5

[candid temple]

I don't really use Brain Burst.

[exotic kindle]

exactly

[worthy wasp]

If youre judging a class by its performance at that low of a level... its not the class, its you

[exotic kindle]

thats the problem

[candid temple]

No?

[exotic kindle]

Yes

[thick surge]

psyker is now much better than in beta since they made difficulty scaling different. Heresy is now a cakewalk compared to beta

[shut thorn]

get used to force sword push->light->heavy cycle, trauma staff is not that great so use something else until you get a diff staff

[vocal agate]

what scaling, what did i miss?

[candid temple]

If you think Brain Burst being mediocre, makes psyker weak then you haven't played around with staves/force weapon.

[honest geyser]

all the classes below like 15 play the same

you don't get the fun staffs until like 20

[exotic kindle]

It does make psyker weak lol. You can cope all you like but Psyker isn't in a good spot

[shut thorn]

Do you own a voidstrike yet, because it really sounds like you don't

[thick surge]

dmg/hp is now scaled to difficulty. BB now 2 shots shield ogryns in heresy for instance

[worthy wasp]

Say youre bad without saying youre bad

[exotic kindle]

Active detriment at high difficulty.

[autumn lark]

Brain burst is a deticated elite and specialist killer

[light belfry]

there is a difference between weak and flawed

[summer prairie]

I'd rather have a surge psyker in my party in t5 over anything else

[haughty harness]

Great thanks! First FS game, having lots of fun.\

[summer prairie]

maybe except a veteran

[autumn lark]

You can peak for 2 miliseconds and a sniper is dead

[split elm]

Haha all versions of dueling sword seem to headshot Maniacs for near 5x expected damage

[viscid matrix]

except its hot garbage and takes too long, the veterans can kill a Crusher on damnation in under a second, we still take 10 seconds with brain burst to do it

[shut thorn]

Psyker can disable any special, psyker has insane tanking potential, psyker has the highest non clunky damage

Good voidstrike rolls lets you two shot a crusher on damnation

[bitter orbit]

So the vet is still op and psyker didn't get any buffs?

[polar fractal]

man i can't wait for private lobbies and hopefully having access to all missions like in vermintide

[light belfry]

what the fuck

LOL

[exotic kindle]

Highest non clunky damage lmao what. With volley I can take down 4 reapers in under 2 seconds or chunk over half of a beast of nurgles hp.

[viscid matrix]

your wrong, Plasma can 1 shot a reaper on damnation, and a Bolter can 3 shot a Crusher

[light belfry]

does it really do that much damage

[polar fractal]

waiting for a specific map you might want to play is all kinds of ass imho

[shut thorn]

Psyker got buffs, force sword is extremely viable now and void/purg/surge are more viable too

[exotic kindle]

Psyker didn't get buffed this patch

[vocal agate]

What buffs specificaly?

[boreal wave]

When everyone else's blitz ability is useful but psyker's is not, it puts the class at a disadvantage in terms of utility. End of.

We make the best with what we have, but what we have isn't sensational. Stunslutting is useful. Void staff does okay damage, but the void staff's damage isn't that amazing in the grand scheme of a group.

[split elm]

Force sword got buffed and nerfed

[shut thorn]

Dmg scaling changes

[viscid matrix]

was that before or after the launch? cause they fixed the elites and specialists perks

[haughty harness]

is void purge surge different staffS?

[celest oar]

Hellbore with burn on crit can burn a beast in 1 clip in under 10 secs on damanation

[viscid matrix]

yes

[shut thorn]

Also for the vets jumping in, your plasma takes awhile to cool off, I can press f on voidstrike and clear hordes at the same time

Lmao

[mild lotus]

finesse and first target are less impactful on damage

[haughty harness]

thank you!

[gray kelp]

void is the big projectile, purge is flamethrower, surge is lightning

[honest geyser]

surge got a buff, it can actually hit people above/below you now

[autumn lark]

Have brain burst stun again and do more damage based on how high your peril is

[haughty harness]

awesome thanks! I think I only have force right now..

[boreal wave]

Void staff is like a bowling ball. Surge is Emperor Palpatine unlimited power

[shut thorn]

wrong, finesse can 2x your dmg and first strike can add another 1.5x(?)

[bitter orbit]

Ok thank the Omnissiah

[vocal agate]

did not see that in a patch notes

[mild lotus]

compared to before launch

[exotic kindle]

void is pretty mid

id rather just zealot or power sword for horde clear

it is fun but meh

[shut thorn]

there are people with 1.5k+ dmg force swords rn

[bitter orbit]

I'm just now gonna get to play, at 6 am

[thick surge]

lvl4 transfer peril void is viable and fun imo, but honestly surge is still much stronger than anything else psyker can do in damnation

[gray kelp]

thank you fatshark 2 transcendent lasguns for psyker from emperor's gifts in a row

[exotic kindle]

it's super dependant on warp flurry to even feel decent

[gray kelp]

very cool

[mild lotus]

I said those two stats are less impactful comapred to before launch

[exotic kindle]

full charged void cannonball does less damage than a single bolter shot

[light belfry]

why not just run 4 of the broken class for everything

lol

[viscid matrix]

void does the most damage out of all of the staves

trauma is hot garbage, purg is a flamer but worse and Surge is the only good one with shit damage and good CC

[exotic kindle]

Vet isn't broken everyone else needs help

Vets kit is the only decent one

[light belfry]

lol

[bleak tulip]

thats not really the point, the point is killing the entire horde with a half charge in a line

[honest geyser]

can you roll the savage sweep blessing on force swords?

[exotic kindle]

Zealot and Ogryn are almost there, Psyker is in shambles

[bitter orbit]

No I know they aren't broken. Is just that's psykers need some love

[mild lotus]

zealot would like to have a word

[viscid matrix]

yes, which is why people complain in here about psyker being shit right now

[light belfry]

they added power sword and bolter so the tabletop fans would be able to do well

[shut thorn]

trauma does more dmg than voidstrike rn but idk why you would use it given how clunky it is

[bitter orbit]

Psykers aren't shit either. But they need love

[exotic kindle]

Zealot is good with a single build. Kit needs tweaking so everyone doesnt end up using the same exact shit

[mild lotus]

underwhelming is the word

[light belfry]

i do have to agree with you there

[exotic kindle]

Psykers are shit on heresy+

[polar fractal]

zealot is just big residentsleeper for me personally

[honest geyser]

I'd say we need a full talent tree rework, it's all meh and there's next to no synergy until 30

[thick surge]

Psyker is good right now, but the problem is there's no build variety

[summer prairie]

psyker best in t5

[viscid matrix]

KEK it only damages 2 targets and staggers the rest

its shit

[bitter orbit]

Just a little bit of love where it actually feels like I'm playing a powerful space wizard instead of what we got

[exotic kindle]

I'd argue all of the staves need buffs lol

especially trauma though

[bleak tulip]

you cant aim for shit then brother

[gloomy bough]

sooo I've got 2 very similar swords and I'm not sure which is better and worth investing into. how important is the upgraded slaughterer roll compared to a good first target roll? or am I just overvaluing slaughterer?

[shut thorn]

if your trauma staff is only damaging two targets you have a really bad roll

[bitter orbit]

Still?

Fuck

[bleak tulip]

oh never mind your tlaking about trauma LOL

[mild lotus]

the first one is better imo

[shut thorn]

but as I said, it's too clunky to use despite being statistically the highest damaging staff

[bleak tulip]

my bad

[bitter orbit]

I'm dissapointed

[viscid matrix]

take it into the meat grinder, then push enemies into a group and use trauma

its shit

[thick surge]

you will be able to upgrade blessings eventually, but you won't be able to modify your stat bars

[mild lotus]

blessings will probably be upgradable later on

[bitter orbit]

Did the store get a little better?

[mild lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-fridge-empty-gif-15623425

[bleak tulip]

is trauma epicenter really that bad

I havent used it for a while

[bitter orbit]

Fuck me mate

What the fuck is obese fish doing

[exotic kindle]

yep even void/surge need some work. Surge targetting and damage against basic infantry are awful. Voidstrike needs to do more damage given you need to charge it. Even if it's just for the first target.

[shut thorn]

Going to go test it, I doubt it damages only 2 people, it is insanely clunky to use though

[gloomy bough]

we'll be able to move blessings from other items too, right? I've got a deflector sword sitting with crap rolls

[polar fractal]

getting fucked over by tencent, as any sane person could see coming yahoooo

[viscid matrix]

they fixed it, it damages everything now