psyker-class

[violet knoll]

also surge staff ignores armor

[brave drift]

Yes but it's not a primary attack.

[violet knoll]

its primary attack can still do long range damage

[brave drift]

true dat

[night mortar]

hrmm this is in store, wonder if its worth picking up

[twin comet]

I think I just joined your heresy game

[violet knoll]

the surge staff with warp nexus is best IMO since it will crit elites

[rapid cypress]

noice, that’ll shred.

[spice oar]

I'm really impressed with fatshark with this

[gleaming osprey]

I have the exact same drip!

[night mortar]

possibly. just dont think i should replace my dagger just yet though

[meager eagle]

currently in a full squad malice

[twin comet]

oh lmao guy with exact same tattoo and drip as you

the vet instantly shot at the daemonhost

so its already over

[polar gulch]

as is tradition

[gleaming osprey]

Bruh

[brave drift]

he was simply killing heretics.

[polar fractal]

so is warp flurry good for surge force staff? that's the only blessing i had on my surge staffs so far, oddly enough

[twin comet]

flurry isnt bad

[modest trail]

The Penance was made easier

[twin comet]

quell on weakspot is essential though

[gleaming osprey]

my guide was so detailed how could anyone mess it up... stg 40k marines eat more crayons than US marines

[modest trail]

It's no longer solo, and 100%

[red herald]

Can purgatus staves crit or does all fire not crit?

[polar fractal]

i got transfer peril on voidstrike staff and flurry on surge

[twin comet]

@modest trail I wasnt even trying for it, trying for pick n mix, sharpshooter just opened fire and it slaughtered two of us

[gleaming osprey]

tru but my strat makes it stupid easy

[modest trail]

Ahh... Yeah..... Elf-mains gonna elf-main

[modest trail]

Whats your strat?

[polar fractal]

wutelgi a ho

[gleaming osprey]

look to u/wittyuser1556's post on reddit

[analog juniper]

Purging heretics with the siblings

[violet knoll]

im still trying to figure out how to get Going Out With a Bang. thats going to be tough

[mild lotus]

The Ordo Psykana at work.

[analog juniper]

4 Surge staff

[gleaming osprey]

currently theory crafting that right now

[analog juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/power-starwars-unlimited-power-gif-15939349

[brave drift]

Shocking the same enemies since you have little control over what to hit

[analog juniper]

Skill issue

[rapid cypress]

Noooo

Muh drip

[twin comet]

i mean it was already easy with friends

[brave drift]

So now you only have to do 90% of its health with BB?

[twin comet]

get an ogryn bud with a shield on deameon

[wraith flame]

Has the crash for Controller users on the FLAME STAFF been fixed yet?
Don't even wanna equip it till I know it's fixed, crashed too many times before I realized it was the weapon's fire (Reddit)

[rapid cypress]

I have no friends, I’m a psyker.

[brave drift]

you have Beloved.

[gleaming osprey]

1. Get yourself a shield ogryn

2. Have him pull agro

3. ???

4. Profit

[violet knoll]

but i do love my surge staff. what im currently using

[rapid cypress]

I already got the penance tho lul

[teal needle]

Beloved is big E right

[polar gulch]

nah it's Nurgle

[gleaming osprey]

now more siblings will have it since it's actually stupid easy with a daemon host

[brave drift]

Anyone tested if Surge Staff lightning can crit? As well as Purgatus flames?

[snow summit]

Pick n mix is the real hard one...

[red marsh]

wish crafting was out

[brave drift]

Do the new Special Condition

[violet knoll]

it does

[analog juniper]

Surge def does

[red marsh]

any point in using the flamethrower staff

seems kinda junk

[brave drift]

burn heretics

[twin comet]

flame staff would be far better if it shared the m1 with the other staffs

[rapid cypress]

yes if your hobbies include staring at the sun, go ahead, shoot those white flames 😏

[gleaming osprey]

absolutely stuns the Karking shit out of anything p much

[twin comet]

flame has 0 range

[brave drift]

Anyways yes you can pretty much hold a corridor on your own (even a mixed horde)

[violet knoll]

flame staff is kinda niche, its really good at hordes of unarmored enemies, and thats it

[twin comet]

pick n mix is a sign of the best

[brave drift]

Barring Ogryn enemies

[gleaming osprey]

I'll find a way to allow our lesser siblings complete it

[brave drift]

My Pick n' Mix progress got reset. Probably because they changed it slightly.

[snow summit]

its hard to do pick n mix when your one surge duty

[brave drift]

10 to 12 seconds.

[twin comet]

I dont see pick n mix list my max kills now either

so I can judge how well im doing

[rapid cypress]

I got a ilevel 380 grey chainsword in my shop do I get it and upgrade it? 🤔

[fresh gull]

guys, how are u supposed to get the going out with a bang penance? all the enemies im supposed to kill with the explosion survive it big time

[gleaming osprey]

YES

[analog juniper]

The range seems better

[brave drift]

Play higher difficulty.

I did it on three Maulers after burning them a bit with a Purgatus.

[rapid cypress]

Yeah i never saw a grey that high ilevel

[brave drift]

Worked like a charm

[twin comet]

@analog juniper I mean if you wanna kill those shooters hiding behind a barrel more than 5 feet away you're dead

emperor gave me this though

so he wants me to play it

[summer wind]

that cloud radius makes me sad

[gleaming osprey]

use a surge staff in a croud of them and over peril

[summer wind]

but otherwise banger staff

[analog juniper]

The purgatus cloud radius seems nerfed since the update and range increased slightly

[summer wind]

it has, yeah

[fresh gull]

which enemies are elites specifically?

[summer wind]

though i believe it's purely visual

i mained it and i still do

[fresh gull]

cus i saw a video doing it with specials nad work, but no luck for me

[summer wind]

it functions identically

[gleaming osprey]

anything that shows up in the kill feed

[twin comet]

Ive no idea if dogs etc count for pick n mix

[summer wind]

they do

[fresh gull]

nope

just now did 2 shotgunners and a flamer and nothing

[summer wind]

yup

that's a bug or you were too slow or something

because those're elites

[gleaming osprey]

It's 5 innit?

[fresh gull]

literally just happened 10 seconds ago

[summer wind]

it do be

[twin comet]

might be bugged

[fresh gull]

is it the bug again where it should be lvl 4 diff?

[twin comet]

dont see the counter increasing for me

[fresh gull]

instead of 3?

[twin comet]

like it does other penances

they should really just lower it to 4 elite special kills

[polar fractal]

that penance especially is just asking you to screw your team over to some extent, not a fan tbh

[night marten]

holy shit this level looks incredible

[twin comet]

yea ive been doing exactly that since launch, I feel bad

nobody completing any heresy with me today

[fresh gull]

im doing it with a full premade, i feel like weve done it 3 times now but i dont get the going out with a bang penance

[safe mountain]

for some reason you get more soulblaze procs when swivelling the purgatus on and of the target than holding it straight on the target...

[night marten]

it's because the ascendant blaze perk doesn't count direct staff damage

only if they die to the fire dot

[jovial quail]

@safe mountain Isn't it because they're more than often dying from the soulblaze versus the flame damage?

[safe mountain]

no i mean the target gets more fire dots when you swivell the flame than holding the flame on it

[tepid nest]

I feel like building this muscle memory is risky. It might be patched out quickly.

[safe mountain]

like holding a full charge straight on the dreg rager gives me a tic damage of 113. But if I swivell the flame with full charge I get 135 or 153 or even 183 tic damage after

[remote flume]

Did they add more psyker melee weapons into the full realese?

[peak sundial]

NO

no*

[remote flume]

🥲

[plush tendon]

also somthing that's annoying me about the purgatus staff - kills with it don't count as "warp" kills for warp absorbtion

[steel musk]

So far its crashed like

8 times today

[remote flume]

Also the crashing they should of fixed by now it's a full on release

[autumn lark]

so the claymore in the trailer for psyker just doesnt exist?

[fresh gull]

"Elite enemies are classified as the three main Ogryn class enemies, alongside the Mauler. The other three are all armored variants of the Crusher, Bulwark, and Reaper." so is this just a lie?

[fathom zealot]

anyone know a discord server that is focused on doing penances, the LFG chat isnt working for me

[fresh gull]

elite is all specials n stuff too ?

[left mirage]

how's psyker compared to the 1st beta?

[round swan]

sameish

[left mirage]

nice

[round swan]

imo anyway, haven't been able to fully test it out yet

[left mirage]

is force sword still insane at crowd control

[round swan]

yea its still p good

[left mirage]

sweet

[autumn lark]

brain burst takes way too much peril

[twin comet]

I wanted to see what the aquilas stuff was like but the system is bug and softlocks the game if you attempt to buy any

[peak sundial]

nah its just not done i guess

[teal needle]

Force sword is not what it was in first beta for crowd control no

[left mirage]

oh

how much worse then

[autumn lark]

your better off using a devil's claw

[left mirage]

damn that's rough

[twin comet]

i kinda wish we got buffed back to slightly weaker than closed beta

[autumn lark]

also the cliffhanger penance seems downright impossible to get

[spark forum]

they changed it to 7 mobs now

its a joke

[autumn lark]

the ult of the psyker has zero knockback

[twin comet]

I found I had to use my ult than spam push on machete to get the penenace

for 20 mobs

[teal needle]

Bridge at start of chasm terminus, there's a rickety bridge there with a protrudingplatform you can wait at for a horde. Use force sword push.

[plush tendon]

do chasm, first bridge has a min-bridge on the left side - gete your team to hold there for a horde - when it comes get them to just tank it - you run around & can force push them off

[viscid snow]

I'm impressed. They nerfed psyker even more

[twin comet]

there's also a ledge you can kinda gltich the AI on below the chasm terminus bridge

[autumn lark]

the problem is is that there are 0 damnation spawns for terminus and in the forge i try to get it but the middle hole is way too small

[fathom zealot]

you want to get in a group for cliff hanger, I need it so bad

[autumn lark]

and it should be changed into a single ult vs 2 seconds

add me on steam

its pretty late for me atm but if anyone is down tomorrow for cliffhanger and other penances

[twin comet]

pick n mix and cliffhanger lobby

[plush wave]

on par with power sword?

[twin comet]

did they buff it for release?

[spark forum]

yeah i need picknmix still

[twin comet]

It was ok on heresy

[shadow quail]

yeah the sword special is good

[autumn lark]

i feel like the special on the sword needs some kind of aoe or knockback same for thunder hammer

[shadow quail]

literally everything else is shit, but the sword special is alright

[twin comet]

or let it actually brain burst the enemy when it kills

for a warp charge

instead of just being visual

[autumn lark]

you actualy get a warp charge when a teamate kills an enemy you are brainbursting

[twin comet]

thats pretty good

[gleaming osprey]

only if it's charged enough

[shadow quail]

thats great because it always dies before you cast the skill

[autumn lark]

it has to be like 50% charged

[plush wave]

are they not meant to be for anti elite

on zealot i loved thunder hammer because it can do crowed control then activate special for elites

[tidal sage]

anytips for getting going out with a bang? Malice doesnt seem to spawn a bunch of specials in 3s like Heresy

[steel musk]

crashed again

just giving up tonight

[plush wave]

you need the specials like the minigunners for that right?

[autumn lark]

get a deticated team and play on damnation

[twin comet]

I kept redoing terminus until a group of ragers spawned at the place you drop

and killed them for it

[autumn lark]

the elite and specialst spawns on damnation are genuinely insane

[tidal sage]

can you kill them in damnation with the perils of the warp explosion?

[plush wave]

might need an endless hoard mission

[tidal sage]

thats my only concern

[autumn lark]

if you deal enough damage

perils of the warp does around 500 damage and brainburst 800

mauler takes 3 brainbursts on damnation

[plush wave]

i saw someone saying you can attack the enemies 1 or 2 times to weaken them for explosion

[autumn lark]

so get 3 maulers do 9 bursts and then use a staff to overcharge for peril

hold on

6 bursts

[plush wave]

guessing right clicking on your G is fastest way to overcharge?

[autumn lark]

use the staff

you can freely gain peril fast

[twin comet]

Perils of the warp explosion seems to one shot anything that isnt a big boss

[plush wave]

when i last played my staff got 8% per m1

[ornate hamlet]

Tfw you hear about how awesome bolters are and you have to not play psyker to get it

[twin comet]

on heresy+

[plush wave]

bolter is pretty bad tbh, its so slow and clunky

[autumn lark]

its really weird because they dont have a discaimer saying psyker cant use bolters and braced autoguns

[teal needle]

Bolter is an anti elite weapon. It's exceedingly good at it's job. Or was. I'm guessing it got nerfed with the scaling adjustments

[autumn lark]

either make everything available for the classes except the class specific weapons or say which weapons arent usable at all by the class

[steel musk]

any of yall own the 4080 yet

[plush wave]

why would you want a bolter when you can use lightning or fire?

[safe mountain]

what ever you do do not klick on the force sword special attack in the attack breakdown menu! It will crash your game

[cinder snow]

anyone help a sibiling ledge-off 7 heretics?

[teal needle]

Because bolter does like 5x dps

[plush wave]

i forgot what mission had the bridge start with easy ledge location

[cinder snow]

yea but players dont listen 😦

[plush wave]

you say that but good luck using it against more than 2 enemies

[twin comet]

damn I had to try it

[mild canopy]

bro the 2.4k premium currency outfit for the psyker

is so saddening

compared to the zealot's premium outfit

[cinder snow]

meh tried 8 times already, the push has not enough strenght

[autumn lark]

wait a minute

no new weapons in the full release now but a fully functioning cash shop?

[teal needle]

Force sword push not F

[cinder snow]

i know, but thank you!

randoms killin off mah heretics XD

[harsh cobalt]

welcome to 2022

[plush wave]

when you do it also use force sword push after the F

[autumn lark]

so fatshark outright lied about that then

[plush wave]

but remember to block and hold left click to shove

[harsh cobalt]

the rebreather mask that's separate from the set is pretty neato though

[full egret]

Soooo. Force greatsword?

[plush wave]

likely wont happen

[twin comet]

So force sword also has a special parry animation that stuns people right or am I crazy

[full egret]

[iron flame]

😭Jesus christ. On higher difficulty we need 3 BB for mauler? Damn... Like why even bother to use BB at this rate

[plush wave]

force hammer or force axe might happen though

[full egret]

Force hammers are great

[cinder snow]

the problem is fartshart locking good sking behind stupid challenges to push paid skins, but i digress. Push sword throws low tier heretics really good

[twin comet]

I want a force weapon where its special does a horde cleave

[full egret]

I just want a damn bio psyker

[twin comet]

instead of single target

[cinder snow]

+1

[full egret]

My character in RPG games is a bio psyker, I want to properly play as her

[teal needle]

Now you're on the right course. Use force sword or ax. Even staff prmary fire is higher dps

[iron flame]

I just want a good horde clearing weapon for Psyker.

[full egret]

Exactly

[twin comet]

lemme fire a beam of void magik like link does at full health with the master sword

[cinder snow]

BB on heresy is rarely useful

[weak galleon]

k, Mk5 Axe with peril on block is definitely part of the meta weapons.

[plush wave]

i still rather this over being locked to defult skin if i dont pay money

[weak galleon]

finally tried it on t4.

[teal needle]

Void strike staff is awesome horde clear

[iron flame]

Sad... I kinda want to play Psyker because of brain burst.

[brave drift]

take Purgatus,

[full egret]

I want my molten beam!

[twin comet]

voidstroke clears hordes better than flame purge staff

[weak galleon]

Voidstrike, Purgatus.

[brave drift]

also no Scoreboards?

Maaan

[autumn lark]

there was literally a 2 handed force sword in psykers trailer but for some reason fatshark cant be bothered to release a finished product with the 70+ promised weapons

[twin comet]

I also would like the beamstaff from VT2

[brave drift]

what was that things alt fire?

[twin comet]

I think it was a shotgun?

[iron flame]

Ohh I am using surge staff for elite CCs

[twin comet]

its been a while

[burnt python]

yep thats right

[iron flame]

Which is why I need my horde clearing to be melee instead of ranged weapon

[twin comet]

I had a red tier one

[cinder snow]

nooooo scoreboards are ToXiCC! but anti-coop challenges are not....damn backwards thinking

[twin comet]

and never stopped using it

[teal needle]

I do miss beam staff. Tbh psyker staves mostly seem worse

[burnt python]

fireball & conflag were 2 of the best and they are basically the same in this game

[iron flame]

Like other ppl mentioned, I think they doing it on purpose to push cosmetic shop

[burnt python]

beam was the shit tho

[ornate hamlet]

Bro how the fcock do i force staff?

[twin comet]

fatshark really hate if people play in ways other than the specific playstyle they want you to

[weak galleon]

They are worse.
Imagine Conflag, Fireball, Beam, Coru staves here.
even Bolt.

[ornate hamlet]

Is it just really bad?

[twin comet]

I prefer devs who embrace player ingenuity

[iron flame]

Also dammit. Gimme a psyker helmet that don't make me bald

[twin comet]

rather than punish it

[weak galleon]

aka, imagine Battle Wizard instead of psyker.

[burnt python]

conflag and fireball are in the game lol

[weak galleon]

Conflag is definitely not

Fireball is arguable

Voidstrike is very close, yes.

[iron flame]

Wigglemancer when?

[safe mountain]

Autoguns trying to luck at Autoguns special attack does the same...

[burnt python]

how is trauma not conflag? it generates way too much peril but other than that p much the same

[cinder snow]

confrag is the very first staff u get, force staff

[teal needle]

Void strike is probably better than fireball. Trauma worse than coruscation though. No sniper staff = big sad

[gleaming osprey]

get imperial edition lmao

[weak galleon]

Because it's a piece of shit staff, and Conflag is not. that's how.

[twin comet]

trauma is conflag with 1 chromosome

[burnt python]

i do miss bolt staff

[burnt python]

that doesn't make it not the same lol. It's the same weapon, game circumstances make it worse (way more ranged enemies)

[iron flame]

Yea.. I am using that atm but eh... Dunno it just make me feel like a imperial guard instead of Psyker

[static epoch]

i want new staffs

[gleaming osprey]

fax

[twin comet]

gimme a super perk where brain burst jumps from enemy to enemy until it hits something it cant kill

[weak galleon]

K, Conflag is a huge AoE, huge stagger, DoT on top of everything, can fire more than 2 times per overcharge bar.
Trauma is none of that.

[iron flame]

If only I am not trash then I would go for the hood one from the achievement

[gleaming osprey]

used the kit for like 3 missions till i got the monstrum and warp batt penances

[static epoch]

i think a staff that locks on to a single target and does damage over time could be interesting

[iron flame]

But sadly I am trash

[burnt python]

I do not recall conflag having a dot. Stagger is the same, aoe is the same on a good roll

[weak galleon]

It does.

[static epoch]

much like the lightning but instant with unlimited range

[twin comet]

if we have more single target staffs then psyker desperately needs more horde clearing melee

[weak galleon]

AoE (and consequently stagger) is absolutely not same as Conflag.

unless they buffed it this patch

[static epoch]

duelling swords?

[brave drift]

what difficulty do you guys do to farm Plasteel?

[twin comet]

malice is safest

[static epoch]

rough on damnation but if you got the room there's no problem

[polar gulch]

malice

[twin comet]

yea but you dont get mats on failed games now

or is it just diamantite

[brave drift]

I tried Damnation, the time it takes to get minimal increase doesn't seem worth it.

[iron flame]

My region's pubs are total trash even on Malice. Like 50/50 fail rate.

[brave drift]

oh you meant the sword lol

[burnt python]

people have theorized that diamantine & plasteel share spawns, so you will get more plasteel at lower difficulty

[twin comet]

I can usually solo carry on malice

[brave drift]

I tried it at Sedition. lol dont do it.

[twin comet]

with voidstrike

[brave drift]

Perhaps Malice is the best.

[burnt python]

just no mat drops or what was the problem?

[brave drift]

At least in Malice I can run autoguns.

[hot epoch]

Time to check my store

[brave drift]

Really low mat drops. And it felt like I picked up quite a lot too. Like 4

[iron flame]

Hmm I will give that voids trike staff a try. Hope the store have one

[burnt python]

got 7 recon lasguns to choose from as usual lol

[burnt python]

gotcha, good to know

[weak galleon]

Were there regions in beta?
I was running tier 2 with a friend (playing DT for the first time), and people that were joining us were... special, despite being beta testers.

[signal turret]

Shit like this has to stop, driving me nuts

[iron flame]

I am just calling it region because I imagine me from China won't get matched to ppl from eh say US

[burnt python]

just let me buy or craft decently rolled gray bases ot upgrade pls fatshark 😦

[iron flame]

From my experience asking in chat. I get matched to other chinese or SEA ppl

[signal turret]

I swear my shop looks like this 85% of the time

[static epoch]

play and save your stuff, buy the good whites and items with properties you don't have

then you can go wild when it actually releases

[autumn lark]

i just wish the psykers has access to the goddamn braced autogun

[ornate hamlet]

as a SEA person, i always get matched with EU people

[burnt python]

i have lots of resources, lots of spare weps with solid traits, no base weapons worth upgrading

[static epoch]

but i totally agree with you, having it now would be preferable. the store needs to generate more items and you need an option to reroll the store, a limited time per day maybe.

[teal needle]

Hold on to solid traits then disenchant them when it's put in

[signal turret]

Game is trolling me man, this is crazy

[twin comet]

all the perks got nerfed

[cunning osprey]

Just a heads-up, I've crashed to desktop every time I've clicked on the force sword's special attack on the attack breakdown page of its inspect menu

[cloud ridge]

What's the combo for force-sword on horde ? block + Shove light spam?

[twin comet]

no more level 3-4

all the lowest variants

in shop

[weak galleon]

what about it? No staves? Enjoy.
This is what Psyker's shop is in DTide.

[candid temple]

block, light push, light spam

is what I do

with powerup vs elites if I have room

[light pilot]

Light -> Heavy -> Block cancel/push also works

[static epoch]

you can also push them off to the side then step to that side

[autumn lark]

the sabre for psykers is also hot ass

[kind plaza]

can you still bleed with shout?

[autumn lark]

just bounces off of a mauler and carapace

[static epoch]

if you have problem with density, trade some blows for pushes if you can get a few off to the side

[weak galleon]

Light>Heavy>Push (not push attack) > repeat
Light 1 transitions into Heavy 2 which you then reset with push, as well as CC'ing horde.

[cloud ridge]

yeah second heavy is nice i've thrown that in when i can i mainly was playing preacher

[fathom zealot]

Are you playing in China? If so the red wall is coming for your vpn

[cloud ridge]

so how do i aim braimburst well? is there a decent way to cycle once I LMB or am i on a timer at that point lol

[iron flame]

It is already here. It take me forever to connect

At least the game is playable without vpn

[burnt python]

you cannot cycle after starting the charge with left mouse. it prioritizes tagged enemies, always good to tag then charge

[cloud ridge]

ah i didn't know! So if I tag an enemy / or someone else it'll go for them if i'm near?

[autumn lark]

you can freely aim using right click and left is locking onto an enemy without generating peril just charging it

[burnt python]

yep as long as your cursor is close enough it'll picked the tagged one

[autumn lark]

brainburst also tries to lock onto elites

[fathom zealot]

Just look at target, hold left click. If you have the wrong target, stop holding left click. The right click charge up is only good for dogs that are incoming or chargers, things you need to primitively prepare for.

[burnt python]

yeah it will try to prioritize elites/specials w/o tag, tag seems to make the "magnet" effect even stronger

[cloud ridge]

coolio, i guess final question maybe, do i need to do anything special with the force sword special or is it like the evis and once i click it i just need wack?

[autumn lark]

brainburst is very precise with aiming but you can throw your mouse off of a rooftop and you will still lock onto an enemy

[burnt python]

click and whack

[twin comet]

BB really needs elite lockon you pinged

[snow summit]

holy shit is this worth it ?

the stagger is iunsane

[warm dagger]

damn that looks good

[autumn lark]

absolutely

[wintry ivy]

Buy it

[autumn lark]

damage is a bit low doe

[burnt python]

looks like a stagger monster

[snow summit]

162.5%stagger

[bold maple]

rating bit low

470+ maybe

[cloud ridge]

coolio, i guess final question maybe, do i need to do anything special with the force sword special or is it like the evis and once i click it i just need wack?

[burnt python]

its only lacking in finesse tho i dont even know what that does

[warm dagger]

like evis

[snow summit]

critt dmg

[cloud ridge]

awesome thanks time to blow myself up more lmao

[bold maple]

finesse does weak spot dmg and crit

[high hazel]

Force sword special does more dmg with heavy attack

[burnt python]

makes it a much more important stat than i thought

[bleak sonnet]

anyone use the dueling sword mk5?

[bold maple]

dueling sword with high finesse hit for 30-40 and 170 on heads or something like that

[burnt python]

yes, my preferred weapon

[bleak sonnet]

got a really good one in weekly, not sure if its worth it

i use mk4 atm

[bold maple]

yea mk5 is busted

[bleak sonnet]

mk5 over mk4?

[burnt python]

mk5 is the best of the dueling sword in my testing

[bold maple]

the heavy attacks are so quick

[bleak sonnet]

aight

[burnt python]

attack patterns are amazing

[bleak sonnet]

word. thanks

[burnt python]

heavies are godlike

[bold maple]

and the moveset is sexy

[static epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604099362498281511/1046370199240183899/image.png

[burnt python]

it does not have a single wasted attack like many of the weapons do

you can spam w/e you want and it will be effective

[static epoch]

it's like 330 headbop

[vivid merlin]

is bleeding proc on psykinetic wave gone

[regal raft]

Omg I’m going to have an orgasm
I got a masterwork 484 item level Voidstrike staff from my mission reward

[burnt python]

i have o ne with uncanny strike and it does a consistent 400 dps vs flak and 350 dps vs carapace

[bleak sonnet]

mine in shop is uncanny

[static epoch]

nice

[bleak sonnet]

damage roll of 71 tho

not sure whether

to cop

its +20flak
+20 carapace

and uncanny

purple

[noble ridge]

can i use the rifthaven purgatus staff now or is it still causing crashes

[teal needle]

I'd rather have charge time and peril resist on void staff. Well I'm less sure with the scaling changes today. But before it one shot pox walkers either way

[quaint quail]

The psyker is absolutely dog water. EVERYONE knows this game was made for sharpshooters

[solar loom]

So, the two handed force sword is not in the game?

[burnt python]

did anyone confirm whether the quell on hs got nerfed to trigger per cast?

1 trigger per rather

[bold maple]

my entire melee arsenal is mk5 lmao

[burnt python]

someone said it did earlier but it wasn't clear, sad day if so

[twin comet]

what weapon level would you say to buy whites at?

[solar loom]

And yea, it sucks that we didn't get any psyker changes with this patch. I'm hoping that's because they are actually working on improvements.

[vale tulip]

no my staff quells like 40% peril on one secondary on a hoard

[burnt python]

ok whew

[solar loom]

360-380 seems to be where top end whites lie

[burnt python]

i'm so jealous. still trying to find a base w/ 350+ to bother upgrading

[bleak sonnet]

that mobility roll

sad

[twin comet]

Yea I was buying them around level 350-360

[bleak sonnet]

i have a blue at 380 base itemscore

[regal raft]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/381653277936320537/1047668058195497020/unknown.png

Never mind, it’s actual trash

[burnt python]

380 is the max i've heard of so far

[fair axle]

People are reporting 380.

[bold maple]

mobility dont matter when you still dodge nearly as fast as knives

[bleak sonnet]

380 max ive found

[twin comet]

Ill prob buy any 380 I see then

[bleak sonnet]

my blu dueling sword is 380

[burnt python]

i wouldn't bother w/ a voidstrike without the quell on hs trait until we can reroll, its too godo to pass on

[bleak sonnet]

but bad

perk

[twin comet]

yea you want whites to be 380

[bold maple]

380 whites will upgrade to 480~ at orange

[fair axle]

And since the max from a perk is 25 and the max from blessing is 45 that put us at at 520

[twin comet]

means their stats are godly

[solar loom]

Does it determine the range of bar stats you can roll based on your highest base item though, or just based on the highest item score you have period?

[fair axle]

I just wish we could reroll the sliders..

[twin comet]

we should when crafting comes

[burnt python]

i dont believe bar stats change w/ upgrades

[bleak sonnet]

does not

base stats are base forever

[burnt python]

they are what they are, which is why agood base matters so much

[solar loom]

Today a dev edited a post I made about upgrading the bar stats on weapons on the forum. They didn't change anything. I don't know why they were in the post, but at least they must have seen it 😄

[fair axle]

No, we can't. Crafting allows us to reroll perks, extract blessings, combine blessing and attach combined/extracted blessing

And upgrade the rating of a weapon (ie add perks/blessings)

[burnt python]

getting good bases is so painful right now, just let us craft or buy grays of our choice

[hot epoch]

im gonna do the funky heresy level mission monstrosity achievement someday

someday

[bold maple]

maybe after they buff us

[twin comet]

maybe we'll get a system where we can drain the bars of one stat to fill another

[autumn lark]

Do not play with randoms if you want to do a penance

[twin comet]

so reduce a stat you dont care about to max damage etc

[heady bramble]

are custom lobbies out yet?

[noble ridge]

welp lets see if i still crash with this staff

[solar loom]

Can psykers use plasma guns?!

[fair axle]

I don't even get how the heck they see this system as a lesson learned from VT.. VT wasn't perfect.. but at least it isn't playing 3 slot machines..

[bleak sonnet]

if we cant reroll blessings later im gonna be pissed

[fair axle]

Just to get a weapon that you want

[autumn lark]

It says its class specific to veteran why would any other class be able to use it?

[fair axle]

You can't reroll blessings.. You can extract a blessing, you can combine extract blessings (of the same kind) to upgrade the blessing and you can attach blessings overriding one.

[polar fractal]

force staff ogryn when

[fair axle]

You can only reroll perks

[solar loom]

There is a patch note that says "Psykers can no longer commune with the warp to get infinite cooling on their plasma guns" or something.

[bold maple]

I found a 380 base voidstrike staff

[fair axle]

Nice

Except.. Purgatus is super OP now with the increased range 😛

[autumn lark]

I like the staffs because you never need ammo anymore but the braced autogun is too much fun and isnt available on psyker

[bold maple]

oh shit did they buff my boy purgatus

[fair axle]

Like.. I hated Purgatus.. But now.. Jesus Christ in Heaven that thing is insane now

[bleak sonnet]

purgy always been best

[bold maple]

thats why I got it purple

[fair axle]

It seems like they tripled the range on it

[bold maple]

holy

[autumn lark]

Purgatus is the white flames right

[fair axle]

Mmmm

[bold maple]

okay i need to go play

[night marten]

purge staff range hasn't changed

[polar fractal]

so what curios are you rocking on your psykers siblings? about 200 xp away from level 20 and i just stuck with % max health so far

[fair axle]

Man I can cover an entire room in flames now, before I was lucky if I hit anything right in front of me.

[fringe agate]

Congrats

[wintry ivy]

I've got one with extra stamina

[wooden forge]

the purgatus range is just visual my staff is the exact same before and after release in meat grinder

[wanton sandal]

mostly health and resistances

[wintry ivy]

And docket reward

[wooden forge]

14m with 64% cloud radius

[bold maple]

yeah I checked, it's just visual to easier to see

range is the same

[wooden forge]

it's a lot easier to see what you're burning now

i like it

[tall mango]

Any tips for how to do the kamikaze penance?

[fair axle]

The only way to do it is to smack the elites down to low health and blow up

You'll need a team to help you gather them

[weak galleon]

get premade team with sharpshooters.

[bold maple]

tbh I prefer the old one

[autumn lark]

Dont do it with randos and play on damnation

[bold maple]

make me feel more powerful

this flame stream is tiny

[tall mango]

Would the best elite to gather be Maulers?

[wooden forge]

haha i prefer the new one because i don't go blind every time i cast death

[jolly wasp]

just do a t4 and blow up a cpl times, youll get it. That's how I did it, actually was one of the easier ones to do on Psyker.

[dim pier]

A bunched up gunner/shotgunner group is how my friend got it

[night marten]

just completed weeklies, snagged this, not bad at all

[tall mango]

The easiest one for me to do after the launch was changed Cliffhanger

[spark fractal]

Purgatus range could triple and it still won’t have the CC of lightning or the instant horde clear of voidstrike, it’s fun but…not good

[brave drift]

I swear to god. I felt like I picked up maybe 6 Plasteel

Still only 160

[gloomy obsidian]

I would too, old one was just flashbang

[autumn lark]

Ive had 6 maulers at the same time on damnation

[white hemlock]

How's the drip? I think I settled on something I like

[tall mango]

Damm lucky

[night marten]

objectively not true. purge is best horde clear hands down

[somber laurel]

Which lvl 10 talent should I take?

[jovial quail]

I completely disagree as well with the statement against purg staff lol

[regal raft]

Head piece is wack, the pants need some form of white or something that synergizes with accent themes with the top.

[bold maple]

looks like you just escaped from a mental hospital

[autumn lark]

How much damage does a single voidburn stack do?

[gloomy obsidian]

Depends on the build ypu like

[spark fractal]

Not a personal fan of the metal, it doesn’t look like armor as much as one of those old medical crutches for crippled children

[somber laurel]

I'm lvl 11, don't have a build yet

[analog juniper]

Peril resist. Wrack and ruin is bad

[twin comet]

my weeklies were pure ass

[gloomy obsidian]

So I would say probably Peril Resistance as well

[twin comet]

just splurged it all on magic lootbox and got even worse

[tall mango]

imagine getting the 12 grimoire weekly

[jolly wasp]

it used to be 3.5 dmg per tick but if it scales with the staff now it might be a bit more

[somber laurel]

Thanks!

[jolly wasp]

ez reroll

[autumn lark]

I rerolled that shit asap

[gloomy obsidian]

Same

[tall mango]

same lmao

[white hemlock]

I have 25 scripts and can't reroll it anymore

[tall mango]

12 scriptures
12 grimoires

[jade sundial]

I tought it was strange they nerfed Cliff penance but not the going out with a bang one

[gloomy obsidian]

Fuck Grimoires all my homies hate grims

[autumn lark]

Youd be lucky if your team gets even 1 grimoire a mission

[spark fractal]

Voidstrike > purgatus, because 1) left click has range and you can headshot shooters with it, 2) it kills enemies now, not in a while when burn stacks add up, and 3) you can start clearing hordes before they even get to you because the voidstrike projectile has long range

[regal raft]

Scriptures of 25 and grins of 12 is an immediate reroll, especially when you can jsut do mission completion objective instead which is way easier for the same smount

[gloomy obsidian]

Imagine Handling Heretical Effigies

[autumn lark]

I have a real fun one

[tall mango]

i think my psyker looks baller now, hate how the hood covers hair

[bold maple]

grimoire was the shit in VT2, cause they give better item loot

[jolly wasp]

dont the higher complexity give more rewards? So you would want 25 scrips but screw grims in general

[autumn lark]

Do 3 secondary missions on the smelter mission

The reward is not worth the pain

[jolly wasp]

I finished mine in 2 days last time

[gloomy obsidian]

By the God Emperor, Based as always sibling.

[regal raft]

Ironically 25 mission completion is the same complexity level of 25 scripture, so you earn the same,

[tall mango]

you mean our Beloved?

[torpid hemlock]

purgatus is the best staff fight me

unlimited stagger fight me

[thorn sphinx]

Are there new staves or weapons?

[jolly wasp]

can you roll the same mission twice? I already have 25 mission

[spark fractal]

Lightning is for CC, voidstrike is for horde clear, flame staff’s fun and you can farm a lot of warp charges if you take the 2nd lvl 30 talent, but I don’t see it being optimal in any situation, horde clear isn’t even what psykers are supposed to be doing anyway, we’re NEVER competing with a veteran using a charged power sword

[candid temple]

Does powered force weapon kills count as warp attacks for the level 5 talent?

[torpid hemlock]

psyker is the best horde clear in the game, can just BB for elites

[gloomy obsidian]

[torpid hemlock]

lightning CC is 6 people lol not exactly the best CC in the game

stun is good utility for specials and ranged

[regal raft]

You just need to completely missions, it’s level max how many times you do it doesn’t matter, I speed ram mine in under 8 hours solo difficulty one overnight with bots at 12 minutes each run

[tall mango]

the big ground aoe is better for CC

[torpid hemlock]

no lol

[night marten]

this is the real take

[fair axle]

25 scriptures is relatively easy.. It is rare I don't find the all.. So there's usually 2-3 per mission, so by mission 9-13 it is done and then I can focus on 12 grimoires mission getting 1 grim per mission

[torpid hemlock]

that's a meme staff

[white hemlock]

two maulers and a shield ogrn... my option was "or die"

[bold maple]

fuck the staff stroking discussion, can we talk about how psyker have no good helms

[regal raft]

Also the trauma buffs are pretty nuts

[bold maple]

helms either hide our hair our make us look like we came out of life support

[night marten]

what? they sure do

[autumn lark]

The aoe staff does seem buffed

[fair axle]

That beta helm is a huge let down

[spark fractal]

Have you seen a vet with a power sword? They’ll kill an entire horde by themselves before you finish channeling the fire staff

[torpid hemlock]

rebreather is cool with malleus armour

[autumn lark]

I can actualy oneshot elites now

[tall mango]

No helm is best helm, just look at me

[hot epoch]

not yet*

[torpid hemlock]

maybe on level 3 difficulty definitely not 4+ alone

[hot epoch]

wait until next store reset at least

[bold maple]

yeah im not using helm rn cause of that

[tall mango]

Let that mane flow

[harsh cobalt]

but I like the rebreather thingy

[torpid hemlock]

rebreather is very cool

[bold maple]

gross

who knows what they're making you inhale

[heady bramble]

what did it get nerfed to?

[fair axle]

SADGE

[tall mango]

Bad helm

[autumn lark]

Rebreather is cool but it costs money hella cringe

[harsh cobalt]

I hope many things

[bold maple]

massive amount of copium

[torpid hemlock]

if you wear the beta helmet for psyker you're a beta

[bold maple]

where is your hair sibling

[autumn lark]

Psyker helmets are just bald

[iron flame]

Man... Ppl are so obsessed with grims

[torpid hemlock]

all true psyker players are bald because with true power comes baldness

[fair axle]

7 in 2s

[spark fractal]

Fire staff is not better on higher difficulty, if anything, the higher you go the more you’d need CC from the lightning staff (it’s the best CC, you can quick cast it) instead of mediocre damage at mediocre range, brain burst becomes really bad too

[night marten]

really think these helmets dont look cool?

[harsh cobalt]

it actually has a part that covers your head

[bold maple]

fuck no

[iron flame]

Wish it have refund because I brought one thinking it won't make me bald

[bold maple]

no hair, no beard

just a bunch of baldie running around

[iron flame]

The preview is so bad for cash shop

[autumn lark]

The cliffhanger should just be in a single activation of the ult

[torpid hemlock]

what are you on about the purgatus could do zero damage and still have the best CC it has short charge time / little peril usage and has unlimited stagger

[heady bramble]

forehead eye tattoo ofc

[fair axle]

Shouldn't be too difficult now with only 7 required kills

[tall mango]

it’s way easier

[tall mango]

i did it first try

[autumn lark]

For me its borderline impossible

[harsh cobalt]

it has a "helmet" part

[fair axle]

True it micro staggers everything except for mutants..

[regal raft]

No, they look trashy and gawdy, but that’s the point of fashion and cosmetic rewards, everyone has different tastes and it’s a good way of giving the players a reason to do the content or play the game.

[unique oar]

So for damnation i pretty much want a blade with bleed or did I understand wrong_

[fair axle]

Which I mean.. Mutants usually get rekted so fast anyway..

[autumn lark]

Mutants are so damn annoying

[iron flame]

How to even get cliff hanger?

[night marten]

completely disagree, they look fantastic

[tall mango]

mutants can be staggered by lighting pretty reliably

[autumn lark]

They dont hurt you alot they just spam charge into you

[torpid hemlock]

chasm bridge sibling

[fair axle]

You knock mobs off a ledge to oblivion

[tall mango]

same with any ogryn enemy

[torpid hemlock]

at higher levels they'll just be immediately killed by a veteran with a bolter anyway

[fair axle]

but Lightning staff is shite on hordes. So you're trading 1 extra stagger lock, for uselessness on a horde..

[regal raft]

You’re entitled to your opinion, fashion is fashion, people have different preferences.

[fair axle]

That ain't a good trade imo

[opal badger]

wait they nerfed penances?

[bleak sonnet]

use melee for horde

[tall mango]

yeah but palpatine memes

[bleak sonnet]

lol

[autumn lark]

The best cosmetic in the shop atm is the zealot's skull helmet and the veteran's bomber jacket

[torpid hemlock]

would rather have purgatus any day though I do find surge very cool looking and satisfying

[opal badger]

Why tf did they not nerf monstronum or pick and mix bro

[torpid hemlock]

they did

[iron flame]

I kinda like the cheaper outfit for Psyker right now

[spark fractal]

You can’t taser an entire pack of 10 shooters from across the room like you can with the lightning staff, the little puff from the flame staff has shorter range

[autumn lark]

Its now 90%

[tall mango]

quite a few were made easier
Psyker only has to knock off 7 in 2s
as well as you only need to 90% of the damage to a monstrosity

[fair axle]

Surge is the most satisfying.. INFINITE POOOOOWER

[iron flame]

If only it is not trash T_T

[regal raft]

The tier 1 jacket and pants? I agree I like it the most too.

[opal badger]

90%? oof

[spark fractal]

I’m hoping for a cool metal mask like the gold skull mask for zealots

[autumn lark]

And unless you know how to cancel perils of the warp from brainburst monstrosities will suck asa

[tall mango]

yeah bro imma go solo a monstrosity in heresy with only BB

be back in 20 minutes

[bleak sonnet]

bro i cant get

investigation t4/5

:/

[torpid hemlock]

6 shooters and yeah it's good against ranged enemies as I said but you're trading that for the utility of debatably the best stagger / horde clear in the game

[autumn lark]

Psyker has had one buff btw

[iron flame]

Oh that is the tier 1? Dunno I just bought the bone sand one

[autumn lark]

You can safely brainburst even at 99 peril

[iron flame]

From the shop

[regal raft]

Oh you mean the store one

[iron flame]

Yea

[tall mango]

Psyker charges 40% peril on brain burst instead of 45% from the beta

big buffs boys

[iron flame]

Kinda look neat.

[spark fractal]

Like I have 0 interest in playing zealots but the gold skull mask makes me want to

[bold maple]

surge will be satisfying when I can stun more than 2 guy at a time

bruh make it 12 at least if I dont deal damage

[autumn lark]

In the pre order beta you needed to swap a weapon before you can brainburst at 99 peril

[regal raft]

The only thing I don’t like is the gloves, everything else is great

[torpid hemlock]

the problem with surge is it just uses too much peril for what you get compared to other staves

[spark fractal]

They raised the safety window from 97%?

[autumn lark]

Staffs will still trigger perils of the warp

[tall mango]

Which ones surge again?

[torpid hemlock]

lightning

[tall mango]

I’ve gotten unlucky and only gotten half the staves

[raw swift]

pysker bild for me?

[bleak sonnet]

worth the buy

?

[autumn lark]

In my experience i can safely brainburst at 99

[iron flame]

Ahh I am neutral on the glove

[torpid hemlock]

ew that's not a force sword

[bold maple]

fuck yes

then make it orange

[tall mango]

not force sword? no thanks

[autumn lark]

Dueling swords arent worth it

[fair axle]

I can block their shots on my force blade, run in with my 65% block efficiency and then charge my flame staff on a slide and suppress them all. I don't need to have lightning staff to do that.. There's plenty of ways to do it

[torpid hemlock]

yeah take a force sword

[tall mango]

force sword is just so good

[raw swift]

force sword is just

[bold maple]

ignore these meta slave brother

[raw swift]

better

[autumn lark]

Low damage and bounces off of carapace

[torpid hemlock]

they literally have unlimited dodge rn broken

[bold maple]

dueling sword is fashionable and stylish

care not for these mix maxer

[iron flame]

What is the force sword combo for dealing with horde again? My brain too smooth so now I am relying on chain sword atm

[bleak sonnet]

@bold maple

i have this blue one

at 380 stats

but bad rolls

[twilit tinsel]

not anymore, if you are at 100, wait for 99 and brainburst you will explode

[bleak sonnet]

still worth the buy?

[white hemlock]

I have the force block, but the rest of the stats blow hard

its a sad day

[bold maple]

you can reroll perk n blessing when crafting is fully implemented

so 380 base stat is goated

[white hemlock]

can't wait

[bleak sonnet]

so keep the 380 then

not the purple?

[spark fractal]

You can reroll the rolls later on, fortunately

[twin comet]

keep any 380

[bold maple]

yea no purple

[twin comet]

white

[white hemlock]

it's a sub 400 orange, though, mine is anyway

[fair axle]

I primarily use it so I can get in and suppress/kill a room before my team gets a chance xD

[autumn lark]

Try swapping a weapon and burst after that

[white hemlock]

Yea, it's too good not to use despite the bad everything else

PoS that is

[bleak sonnet]

yikes

[mild canopy]

any tips for the going out with a bang penance

[raw swift]

what i changfe?

[autumn lark]

Thats amazing

[white hemlock]

Isn't it? It's so terrible but I have no other options lmao

[wheat ravine]

How tf am i gonna do Pick n' Mix

[autumn lark]

Change 3-2 to 3-1

[mortal cargo]

just take what you feel is fun and right for you, you ain't even 30

[mortal cargo]

go for endless horde and try to catch ragers/maulers in a blast

[timid lance]

The Emperor decrees that this is best class

[autumn lark]

Mind in motion should be changed to charging brainburst imo

[spark fractal]

So you’d rather soak up a bunch of peril and get shot running in (assuming everyone can get those rolls on their force swords in the first place), have to use the force sword, then be in a situation where it’s safe or possible to run in (as in, not across a chasm), instead of just using the lightning staff and a melee weapon of your choice? That doesn’t seem like a practical solution to me

[vale tulip]

blow u p 3 elites when you explode

then its done

ez

[iron flame]

Have to say... So many Psyker right now. Guess all the vets move to Psyker til the bug is gone I guess.

[raw swift]

thanks big ass chicken

[mortal cargo]

what bug?

[timid lance]

Can I have it

[twin comet]

Im griefing for pick n mix, if you see calan join your game run very far away

[iron flame]

Thought toughness above 100 give you no chip damage reduction

[mortal cargo]

[scarlet lily]

Peril is hardly an issue under most circumstances regardless, deflection + peril block is pretty clutch

[weak galleon]

so. What can Purgatus staff primary attack actually stagger?

on Tier 4 and 5.

[autumn lark]

Could you theoretically instakill an ogryn mauler when brainburst procs on kinetic flayer

[unique zinc]

did they nerf the free warp charges from teammate kills in coherency? I feel like I'm struggling to build warp charges compared to the pre-order beta

[weak galleon]

i have a feeling that's where this staff's beauty is, compared to voidstrike. (voidstrike still quite better than it)

[white hemlock]

it's always sucked

[knotty sage]

Are there weapon stats over 80%? Haven't seen any so far

[heavy sun]

Is the Force Sword the only "Psyker" melee weapon?

[spark fractal]

Well, the maulers aren’t Ogryns, but sure, you can spray them with bullets or staff powers and there’s a chance it’ll burst and kill them

[unique zinc]

yes, but does it suck MORE now? 😛

[wise pecan]

i've heard/read conflicting reports about the dueling sword

[regal raft]

Yeah

[weak galleon]

wdym?
he's asking which sword has psyker powers in it. Duelist doesn't.

[autumn lark]

Devils claw is also good because you mainly use brainburst for elites

[spark fractal]

No I assume they’re saving those for an expansion or maybe red “relic” weapons

[summer wind]

gave surge a try, really can't say it's worth taking

is this just me?

horde becomes too large of an issue

[unique zinc]

just you, Surge is busted

[summer wind]

really?

i can't make it work

i can kill guns and elites, sure

[main jay]

The CC is good but Voidstrike dmg is hard to pass up

[summer wind]

but that isn't the problem i've been running into on 4

[wooden forge]

don't charge it just let it go ham

[unique zinc]

yeah

[summer wind]

don't charge it?

[regal raft]

You’re not the only one, it’s a problem many people have and discussed over and over

[bold maple]

you're right, cc is good for the team but it's not good for you

[unique zinc]

don't charge it

use it as a CC stick

[weak galleon]

if we wont be able to upgrade base, then it'll invalidate player's entire arsenals they would gather to that moment.

[bold maple]

if your team dont deal with horde, you're fucked

[tall mango]

surge is the flamethrower right?

[summer wind]

purge is

[unique zinc]

to shut down packs of ranged guys

[wooden forge]

surge is lightning

[spark fractal]

Lightning isn’t taken for the damage, it’s taken to CC packs of specialists / gunners, it’s a support staff

[autumn lark]

Surge is good

[main jay]

ur zealot should be doing this tbf

[tall mango]

Okay right

[summer wind]

so you turn yourself into a stunning character

[wooden forge]

it still has lots of damage being spammed too

[summer wind]

with less kill power

[wooden forge]

it's definitely higher dps

[summer wind]

that sounds boring and suboptimal

[tall mango]

I’ve been using surge a lot, it’s pretty great

[main jay]

it is good tho

[wooden forge]

it's only good at killing armored

[tall mango]

Does a good job at stunning

[autumn lark]

Can does 500 damage when you fully charge and let the fist animation play

[empty granite]

A full charge Surge will still kill most trash, so it's not useless for damage

[wooden forge]

surge stinky vs unarmored

[wise pecan]

he asked which sword is the only "psyker" sword, i read that as "psyker exclusive" not "uses psyker powers"

[regal raft]

All the staffs are good now, trauma is also quite strong now

[bold maple]

trust no one but yourself sibling, you cannot rely on teammates to deal with horde

[tall mango]

I mainly use it for stun

[main jay]

they changed trauma??

[wooden forge]

trauma is strong?

[spark fractal]

Yeah like…every expansion to every game, ever?

[summer wind]

i've had two games in a row where i was last alive with surge, and died because of it

[regal raft]

Directly and inadvertently

[summer wind]

flame would have saved us

[bold maple]

indeed

[autumn lark]

Trauma oneshots specialists now on 2

[regal raft]

Yup, give it a shot

[main jay]

lol what changed with it?

[tall mango]

simply have two psykers

[unique zinc]

maybe in a premade, but I don't always have a zealot, and he's not always attentive of the 300 lasgun guys shredding me and my Ogryn

[tall mango]

one with surge one with purge

[summer wind]

so purge is better for clutching, clearing hordes, and killing low health enemies

[regal raft]

Damage boost now, and the enemy have less resistance to it

[summer wind]

surge is better if your team is optimal

which is exactly 0% of the time

correct?

[fresh gull]

Lol no

[summer wind]

teams wipe all the time and i'm often last alive

[unique zinc]

no

[fresh gull]

Surge stuns like any elite/special too

[night marten]

na

[summer wind]

it does, but

not everything at once

[unique zinc]

most other things would be better in a completely optimal setup

[tall mango]

Surge can stun all Ogryns

[fresh gull]

Pox burster about to delete the team? Surge

[unique zinc]

surge is a nice safety net

[summer wind]

surge seems best for specials and elites, and worse for horde and peril, when compared to flamer

[main jay]

I wanted to play more of a mage type oppose to CC bot, I hope there is some adjustments coming tbh

[tall mango]

I think it can stun plague ogryn, not sure on that

[summer wind]

flamer makes hordes into a joke

[weak galleon]

Don't tell me Vermintide 2 didnt have 300 power weapons on start, and you couldn't upgrade them when expansions came out IF reds didn't exist on day 1. (no idea if they did)
I suppose you didnt play VT2?

[summer wind]

and can kill maulers even, with time

and it stuns them too

[bold maple]

I run flame/mk5 dueling and have 0 issue with elites, specials, hordes

[spark fractal]

If anything surge is better if your team is worse, because CC solves a lot of problems, poxbursters for example are completely paralyzed and you can just casually walk back and shoot them

[bold maple]

only mass ranged bothers me

but that the team can deal with

[unique zinc]

hordes are already mostly a joke with any combo of team/weapons

[fresh gull]

U can stun a whole pack of ranged guys with surge so easy

[summer wind]

i think the conclusion i've come to is surge isn't a good choice for me, because you just lose so much lethality against hordes, which is mandatory to do well with a bad team

[unique zinc]

exactly, and that's what my surge staff is for

[summer wind]

i'll give it more tries in the future

but for now that's where i'm feeling

[bold maple]

then you get molested by a random poxwalker spawning behind you as you channel

[iron flame]

😭Meanwhile me in Malice. Getting pinned down by mass ranged across the map and had to brain burst them on by one

[bold maple]

just dodge and get into melee range then murder em

[weak galleon]

I would say Surge is better if team got good frontliners that can deal with the hordes.

[unique zinc]

channel what lol?

[fresh gull]

Except surge is busted vs poxwalkers

[main jay]

worth upgrading? dmg rolls and perk seem good?

[bold maple]

channel the, yk, fucken stun?

[spark fractal]

Usually it’s the specialists who kill your, and lightning is better to deal with those than flame

[autumn lark]

Its so extremely annoying having your staff charge cancel because of a single trash mob

[unique zinc]

yeah, that's the thing, you don't charge it, you spam it

[fresh gull]

If u have a psyker with surge no pox should hit u ever

[summer wind]

not in my experience, though i can see how it'd vary from person to person

[bold maple]

you still channel to keep the lightning going

who tf is talking about charging

[weak galleon]

I dont know the breakpoints, but this is nice horde damage.
Except blast radius suffers, but not sure by how much

[summer wind]

i appreciate that surge and flame are close enough in power to where both are solid picks

but neither fills the other's role completely

[frank chasm]

Uninterrupted charge is a blessing you can get. It’s great

[autumn lark]

👁️👁️

[fresh gull]

Flame is better vs horde tho but less utility imo at least

[main jay]

seems good too?

[spark fractal]

IMO the real choice is between lightning and voidstrike, flame is my third choice

[fresh gull]

But usually my zealot has flamethrower so why bring flame staff?

Overkill

[summer wind]

with the right blessings you can completely stunlock everything on screen

[night marten]

psyker kit synergizes with purge really well, zealot should be filling a different role imo but you do you

[summer wind]

while still doing DOT to everything

[regal raft]

Full charging it did get a decent buff, it stacks discharge on it quicker to do it’s burst on certain elite units, any that aren’t unyielding. So one full charge will make them stack full discharge and burst

[unique zinc]

yeah, I think I'd agree, flame leaves you too vulnerable

[summer wind]

if you mouse over a target with flame, it stops moving

[foggy solstice]

The flame staff is quicker to switch to than the flamethrower as zealot

[fresh gull]

Dunno how hell react to me trying to take away his flame

Prob not well

[twin comet]

another 5 games ruined to do pick n mix

[regal raft]

I don’t think it’s enough to make it the go too but at least it’s a thing

[twin comet]

feels great

[frank chasm]

I have it on a flame staff. Dodge dodge, fire

[weak galleon]

Which ones?

[wooden forge]

seems really wrong soulblaze isn't a warp based attack

[tall mango]

So genuine question, can psyker be good in Heresy+? I’ve gotten a lot of mixed answers on this

[bold maple]

I know, just talkin about how vulnerable you are when you're ccing for your team

[summer wind]

the good ones or something i dunno

i just know mine does it

i mouse over a rager, it stops moving and then dies

[twin comet]

psyker can carry on heresy+

[summer wind]

as well as everything behind the rager

including more ragers

[spark fractal]

The way I see it, vets are the most popular class, and the power sword is the most popular vet melee weapon, you get 1-2 vets with that and your horde clearing problems go away very quickly

[summer wind]

i mouse over the top of a squad of guns, they duck for cover and then die

[fresh gull]

Do u guys take +wounds on difficulty 4+?

[autumn lark]

Remind me what pick n mix needs?

[weak galleon]

which difficulty?
You are talking about purge, right?

[summer wind]

5, and purge

i play 4 and 5 if i can help it

[weak galleon]

as I've mentioned above, I feel like purge's light attack is underestimated for it's cc potential

[autumn lark]

More wounds is always better if you know your team wont wipe if you die

[main jay]

welp I upgraded it

[summer wind]

you need a little distance and then you're good

[main jay]

not bad I guess

[summer wind]

that is pretty cool though

i got a 80% quell speed staff the other day

[fresh gull]

For me?

[summer wind]

🥵

watching the % drop nearly instantly to 0 was so satisfying

[tall mango]

run n hun kinda goofy

[weak galleon]

Suppress only works on ranged, right?

[summer wind]

think so

also why can we bash people with force staves?

[unique zinc]

yeah, run-n-gun is a bit unfortunate

[wooden forge]

honestly we need relevant staff perks other than charge uninterruptable...

[main jay]

my thoughts too, but not terrible

[bold maple]

cause whacking people with a stick is a long time-honoured human tradition

[tall mango]

it does 12-16 dmg btw, and is only good at sometimes staggering them

[summer wind]

imagine if we did like a warp push or something instead of hitting people with the staff

[main jay]

suppress probably op for CC

[bold maple]

it began with our ancestors in caves

[summer wind]

it's pretty funny

[regal raft]

Or the perk that is on 2nd and 3rd salvo, which only works for the sharpshooters special

[tall mango]

It can be funny bonking them with a staff

[weak galleon]

Good question. I haven't used it even once, yet. should probably learn, against single trash mobs.

[regal raft]

Staff bonking is the only valid way of using the staff

[summer wind]

nah it's not worth doing

[autumn lark]

The force staff swing is has a hitbox the size on an ant

[twin comet]

holy shit

[frank chasm]

Weak point quell is great for voidstaff too

[twin comet]

I got it

with bots only

[wooden forge]

i'm saying uninterruptible is the only okay staff perk

[bold maple]

fuck you

[tall mango]

well done

[twin comet]

5 shotgunners spawned at the very start

[bold maple]

lucky

[autumn lark]

What did you need to do?

[tall mango]

(what’s that one again)

[twin comet]

so one shots

[summer wind]

thinkin'

[autumn lark]

Oh you mean 5 elites within 12 seconds

[twin comet]

just restart a heresy map with increased specialst spawns until you get lucky with shotgunners at the opening area

[weak galleon]

crit on purgatus? excuse me?

[summer wind]

ignore that perk

it's faker

it's not real

[regal raft]

Yeah im aware, and im saying that you’re right, and another garbage one is the fact we have a blessing that we can get on our staffs that is only functional and usable by sharpshooters

I’m reinforcing what you said

[tall mango]

each BB takes 2 seconds to charge right?

[polar fractal]

when you upgrade a white force sword to purple just to get slaughterer blessing instead of deflector rip

[summer wind]

i just realized lol, increasing damage on a purge staff by 25% more just adds a single point of damage

[twin comet]

I used one standard BB on the first guy

[twin comet]

then F to quell it all

[autumn lark]

Do 3 brain bursts use the ult and instantly use it again

[twin comet]

and get the quick recharge bursts off

[tall mango]

yeah that makes sense

[twin comet]

here's my feats for it