psyker-class

[signal turret]

vet looks at an elite in t1-t5 and it dies lol

[toxic temple]

Thank you

[keen sigil]

vet looks at horde in t1-t5 with power sword and it dies as well

[silent wave]

the big bundle is pretty neat, the cheaper one sucks though

[stuck bridge]

oh...

[austere wadi]

what if, now hear me out, pysker... gets access to the bolter?
staves are weak af anyway

[lilac dragon]

The cool armor locked behind a paywall. Excellent.

[shadow quail]

Just roll vet

[silent wave]

bolter psyker would be a better psyker lol

[keen sigil]

its not even cool lol legit peanance psyker stuff is cooler

[brisk trellis]

this is literally not at all news

[signal turret]

The other classes broke before Veterans did 😦

[silent wave]

they should just let us pull out a bolter for BB instead

then it would be useful

[austere wadi]

what if pressing F just turned you into something useful: a veteran

[silent wave]

based

[stuck bridge]

psykers get access to bolter plasma gun, BB replaced with this new warp ability that lets them see elite enemies through walls and relay that information to their teammates,

[signal turret]

That Psyker helmet would go hard at a construction zone

[silent wave]

that would be badass

[wide quest]

A boltor that shoots brain burst.

[signal turret]

portable latrine

[teal needle]

Make F do damage. Not crappy dot damage, real damage

[tropic halo]

Our paid outfit suuuuuuucks.

[austere wadi]

yo real shit? now they can contest with veteran players

[stuck bridge]

reduces recoil and suppression stagger...

[spark flower]

Dmg based on number of warp charges as default, not a feat

[pine iris]

actually the dodge changes feel fine. playing a level 1 now

[silent wave]

psyker helmet be looking like a fetish outfit

[hollow sandal]

The Primaris Psyker outfit os nice

[austere wadi]

how about we change the level 30 features to not fucking remove the shit charges we've been accumulating? Might be a decent idea

[steel musk]

i've had like 3 crashes at this point

[signal turret]

The mental image this painted increased my peril irl

[half river]

Just run kinetic bombardment :)

[silent wave]

easier to succumb to the perils imo

[keen sigil]

what charges bro i only get 2 charges between Fs with the auto BB cuz i aint hardcasting that shit

[austere wadi]

thats the only viable one because the other 2 legit remove the use from 2 of your other feats lol

[silent wave]

yeah charges need to change

they're a big part of what pushed me away from psyker personally

[signal turret]

Im hoping they ran out of time on a Psyker balance pass and its in the works

[silent wave]

i know it's only a 3% buff

[half river]

Kinetic flayer is quite pog

[stuck bridge]

guys look...

[shadow quail]

lmao

[teal needle]

4% on all team kills and 10% bb on hit = full stacks at all time if you build for it

[stuck bridge]

they fixed it bro...

[silent wave]

but damn does it feel horrible losing them because I have to use weapons lol

[half river]

Omigosh

[keen sigil]

15% cdr for team on elite kill is by far better

[silent wave]

those are just bad options for those tiers though

[stuck bridge]

lots of astolfos in this channel

[austere wadi]

I legit refunded the game when loaded in and found nothing new about pysker.
Me and my friends are never shopping here again! Lets see how fatshark lives without my $40

[burnt tapir]

Kinetic Flayer is very not pog. They should just remove it and buff the % gain stacks talent that already exists. There's no reason to have the same talent exist in two places.

The actual damage part of it is utterly useless since it's as likely to proc on a poxwalker as anything else.

[jovial quail]

Good meme @austere wadi

[austere wadi]

fr tho, waiting for the refund to go through

[silent wave]

yeah i think the 4% should just be buffed to 10% or something

[visual bramble]

Any new psyker weapons????

[keen sigil]

kinetic flayer is pog only bcs the other 2 choices are dogshit

[half river]

We are pink haired man enjoyers

[lilac dragon]

@visual bramble nope

[stuck bridge]

me too

[visual bramble]

Broooo

This is really disappointing for official release

[half river]

It's to keep up warp charges in the absence of psychic communion

[stuck bridge]

why tf is john wick in a psyker channel, bro veteran is up 2 channels

[silent wave]

warp battery is the best option in the tier, but keeping charges without flayer is dogshit

[austere wadi]

what if the 10% was your passive warpcharge gain feature and then you can use a feat to make it so you get a warp charge on every head pop kill?

OR

Make it so you get a warp charge on USE of brain burst

[signal turret]

Nah seriously though, where's my force greatsword

[stuck bridge]

10% chance to cope less

[long osprey]

PFFFFT

[burnt tapir]

It's just Psychic communion part 2. The damage is beyond useless and unreliable. It's purely % chance to gain stack. which is already a talent

[stone schooner]

psyker is already so op. dont need any more buff for him. u just need to do the right gameplay style for the perks you choose, which works together. at the beginning maybe you dont feel his power, but when you reach lvl30.. you have to play with brain, not with strength lol.

[long osprey]

YEAH GOOD LUCK

[silent wave]

I'd be okay with a passive warp charge chance, on BB use wouldn't help as much as people think

[keen sigil]

nah just make BB instant and consume a charge instead you start with 4 charges and when you use ur F you gain all charges back

[stuck bridge]

oh good im glad ive been playing wrong for 120 hours 👍

[visual bramble]

Ok but gimme a different fun and staff this shit so boring

Gun*

[silent wave]

on use still requires a full 3 second charge up

[rapid cypress]

I support this change

[rapid forge]

I'm just saying, I earned all of my Penances before they nerfed them.

[austere wadi]

its quite literally the opposite.
In the beginning, pysker is strong af. But as you level up, you don't feel like you gain any power what so ever while all the other classes progressively get a lot stronger, especially when they unlock the bolter

[teal needle]

Fire all designers hire this one

[austere wadi]

so pysker feels like they get weaker as they level up

[silent wave]

he is right though

[signal turret]

You lose power imo. I accept the CC meta but its just a reality you're relegated to being a CC slave.

[visual bramble]

I feel like they stay strong you just need a smarter team

[silent wave]

you have to play without strength since psyker has none lmao

[novel badge]

beginning pysker is insane, your BB deals so much damage on difficult 1-2 it feels good

[signal turret]

The tools other classes have are just so much better

[burnt tapir]

Delete BB, give staff 3 unique attacks per staff.

[rapid forge]

Found the guy who plays on difficulty 2

[subtle robin]

would you kindly enlighten us and explain how to play well?

[stuck bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/tantrum-crying-stan-twitter-b0tt0mbltch-kinkytwitter-gif-19383972

[half river]

I would prefer they buff it by reducing the cool down and making the other level 25 talents even better, and perhaps buffing cerebral lacerations so that not running communion in favor of lacerations is viable for boss/ogryn damage

[shadow quail]

CC spam

[austere wadi]

yeh... you just become a surge staff CC power house. Stagger everything.
surge staff is kind of fun but when its the ONLY thing you do its real bland

[silent wave]

dont go above 2

[rapid cypress]

Can’t wait to take literally 10 seconds (without quell) to kill a Mauler on hardest level difficulty with BB 🥵🥵

[shadow quail]

stay in 1 become a god

[noble garden]

Clearly by using brain not strength whatever that means

[stuck bridge]

lmfao

[signal turret]

I agree. I've been saying I look forward to swapping to melee in hordes to break up the monotony. Psyker absolutely needs more options than just being a CC slave.

[novel badge]

surge staff actually works with the bugged combat blade too (i dunno if they fixed this). but you could apply the bugged infinite combat blade bleed to everything hit by surge's lightning if yo uswapped to knife mid lightning

[burnt tapir]

Cooldown is irrelevant, it's too unreliable to be anything other than an occasional stack. The need to just buff one of the % stack feats and replace the other with something actually interesting

[subtle robin]

true

[silent wave]

the lock into surge cc was just so unfun to me when i tried it, as much as being support is good id like to actually use the rest of my kit

[keen sigil]

i think the reason they removed green circles is psyker they didint want psyker gamers feel bad when they see their negative gaming stats maybe if they add cc contribution as a stat

[rapid cypress]

Yo don’t tell em my secret

[novel badge]

does it still work? i saw some patch notes saying you can't apply weapon perks with other weapons anymore

[proud sierra]

is there a greatsword for psyker?

[polar gulch]

psyker didn't get shit

[shadow quail]

no only lightning staff

[teal needle]

I literally just use it to keep stacks up, only point of the feat as it is now lol

[keen sigil]

you have to go all the way with surge with the cast otherwise u do no dmg the only part of the zapp that does dmg is at the end when you clap your hand

[austere wadi]

I really love head popping random pox guys to keep up those 4 charges so I can keep up the 12% bonus damage against the guys I already kill in 1 shot!
Killing 1 normal sword guy once every 5 seconds is fun and engaging and makes me feel like I'm contributing to the team.

[burnt tapir]

Exactly. It's just bad design. Delete one of the two % stack feats buff the other. Replace the deleted one with something actually interesting

[polar gulch]

but at least the cosmetic shop is implemented fully now, so have fun!

[rapid cypress]

Idk all I know is if you surge and release and quickly switch to your melee weapon you look like you have lightning surrounding you haha

[novel badge]

yeah that's a visual bug. very annoying

[subtle robin]

cooldown is quite relevant actually

[stone schooner]

mostly 4, u almost got it

[novel badge]

but swithcing to melee also causes the lightning to deal it's final damage burst instantly

[silent wave]

as I;ve said before, to a total of 6 random enemies

[novel badge]

instead of waiting fo rthe lightning to finish

[vocal agate]

sure lol

[silent wave]

kind of bad for damage

[keen sigil]

yes cooldown is very relevant bcs it vents ur peril

[burnt tapir]

yea I'd rather BB 2 poxs per 10 seconds than per 15 seconds. 🙃

[rapid cypress]

I like doing it at the end of the mission so I shock my teammates hehe

[frail geyser]

you can tap sprint and cancel it as well

then immediately cast again

[tropic halo]

Why is the zealot and ogyrn's paid otufits way better than ours? We used to have the drip egde competitively.

[austere wadi]

You dont use surge for damage, you use it for the stagger. The only properly deals damage to the closest 2 enemies to you and your crosshair, everyone it chains to takes insanely reduced damage.

[tropic halo]

god fatsharkr eally does hate us

[silent wave]

They had to nerf psyker again

[austere wadi]

On difficulty 5 it takes like 5 fully charged staff shots to kill a single mauler

[tropic halo]

Fuck me

[teal needle]

We keep the edge by not spending money on cosmetics

[keen sigil]

at least voidstrike does dmg right guys? snuffs copium

[rapid cypress]

When, sibling? 🥴

[light pilot]

Hmm.

[novel badge]

yeah if you don't have dogshit aim. which i do

[teal needle]

Spending money on fake drip is for fools goes back to painting the 300 bucks I wasted on plastic this month

[empty robin]

Psyker got shoved in the drip department

[rapid cypress]

lool

[empty robin]

4real

[tropic halo]

our brand of drip is from Supreme(ly suicide bomb yourself into three elites)

[signal turret]

This is why the alt-fire Stagger swap to Force Sword special follow up is 🐐

[burnt tapir]

It does though, honestly. Can easily two tap flak enemies and one tap unarmored

[empty robin]

I want some gimp gear for my psyker

[frail geyser]

can still proc bb and it ticks a bunch so chances are good for that

helps out

[tropic halo]

God please dont make me have to fight a beast of nurgle in heresy by myself just for something different...

[silent wave]

All psyker gear is gimp gear lmao

[empty robin]

Just kill a boss all by yourself bro

[pine iris]

I like the changes to toughness. Feels much more fair IMO

[austere wadi]

deals insanely mediocre damage to any elite though! Its actually an S tier staff for the moderate damage it inflicts and it's rather nice range.

[empty robin]

Or pay 15 dollars

[tropic halo]

Well now it's 90%. Which is SO much easier

[empty robin]

[frail geyser]

having +20 unyielding and +20% flak lets it contribute best where it needs to

[tropic halo]

I would pay if the outfit was actually good

[clever hawk]

a lot this chellages are dumb tbh even a small nerf to some plus how buggy shit

[keen sigil]

surge does no dmg if you cancel it by sprinting or whatever the dmg is still low dont get me wrong but it does some dmg if you wait for it to cast all the way through, the zapp is like 15 dmg per tick but the last part of it does dmg...albeit low

[tropic halo]

But they couldn't have made a worse outfit.

[rapid cypress]

Just beg your team to not shoot the boss bro. Just hope that a barrel doesn’t explode and hit it or a bomber’s fire doesn’t hit it bro.

that’s what I did 🥲🥲 worth it tho

[empty robin]

I will get the Tanker gear for Veteran

It looks cool ngl

[tropic halo]

I dont wanna be bald anymore man I just wanna be happy.

[empty robin]

The other one feels overpriced as f

[teal needle]

Fun fact: spamming staff primary headshots is actually way higher DPS than BB

[pine iris]

Melk pls let me put this on layaway

[silent wave]

Well its only 90% now I believe for the penance

[keen sigil]

10 bucks is ok after what i have seen in overwatch 2 , recolour 25 bucks

[frail geyser]

it can crit for a good chunk with a good crit boost roll

[austere wadi]

bro please dont hit this boss please dude cmon its just a beast of nurgle cmon bro for the penance i need the drip please bro just go afk cmon like dont do this to me please

[empty robin]

True true

[frail geyser]

when we can reroll for +crit on stuff itll be interesting to see what stacking crit can do w/ it

[empty robin]

I feel the Tanker gear is better than the Catachan wannabe set for 2400

[tropic halo]

Im confused on why the ogryn got Karkin armor before the guardsmen did btw

[empty robin]

Ogryn ones both look good os far

[tropic halo]

can anybody explain that

[keen sigil]

ill become vet main if they release death korps of krieg set

[empty robin]

The ogryn got Bullgryn armor

Not Karskrin

Fyi

[subtle robin]

i'll become vet main if they don't buff BB

[empty robin]

I just want a Armageddon set

And an Armageddon lascarbine

[keen sigil]

almost same deathkorps started as like alternate armageddon

[silent wave]

Why wait?

[teal needle]

I want ogryn to get a tall pointy hat. I named mine Skarsnik so it would make it extra funny

[empty robin]

Yeah, doubt they will look much diffrent

[silent wave]

Vet is super fun

[empty robin]

Tbf, i would be down for a recolor tpp

[silent wave]

Just super generic lol

[subtle robin]

i really don't want to level again

[timber path]

i adore the void force staff that thing is awesome

[tropic halo]

Im so tired of baldness right now I really dont wanna go bald to wear a fucking hat, man. Even the zealots arent baldanymore

[silent wave]

L

Just play the game

[empty robin]

Bruh get a hair transplant in Turkey

[inland flume]

Can someone explain to me the logic of nerfing the purgatus staff?

Like come on, Psyker was already the weakest class in the game. Lowest health, lowest toughness, can't even keep up with a Veteran in either trash clear or special killing, melee or ranged. Did they really have to take away one of the few things that our class could do decently?

Please, someone give me a reason to continue playing this class instead of just switching to Ogryn

[empty robin]

It is 40.999 now

[subtle robin]

did it get nerfed?

[austere wadi]

you earned the beta male bucket now wear it

[empty robin]

We dont live in the 20th century anymore

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-b-dancing-gif-9063746

[signal turret]

Surge Staff

[shadow quail]

Lighting spam

[clever hawk]

what aprt they nerf on it?

[inland flume]

Check the reddit. Both the purgatus staff and the flamethrower got the radius of their cones pretty sizably cut down

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z90lg9/the_flamer_was_absolutely_neutered_for_the_love/

[tropic halo]

Why do they KEEP NERFING US

[austere wadi]

you know, im starting to think...

[silent wave]

I thought that was visual

[austere wadi]

fat shart doesn't want us playing pyskers

[tropic halo]

WE SUCK, fatshark. WE SUCK. STOP.

[signal turret]

Damn they nerfed the flamer too?

[empty robin]

They hate us cause they aint us

[silent wave]

That's lame, even more reason to only play vet

[empty robin]

We're too cool for them to like us

[signal turret]

We might have to induct the zealots as honorary siblings lol

[silent wave]

They'll just nerf everything else

[keen sigil]

3 vet 1 ogryn meta comp

[signal turret]

Neither of us can have nice things

[empty robin]

https://tenor.com/view/ray-bans-glasses-maverick-tom-cruise-smirk-gif-5466242

[austere wadi]

hey i called this though. Before the release, I said that they would 100% nerf pysker somehow

[silent wave]

They nerfed us in drip as well

Sad day to be a psyker enjoyer

[empty robin]

1 plasma 2 bolters and a slab shield ogryn

[signal turret]

"We fixed ur lightning staff be grateful warp weeb"

[empty robin]

Good luck failing shit with that loadout

[tropic halo]

The drip, our staffs.

[silent wave]

Nah plasma sucks

[austere wadi]

they just legitimately dont want people playing pysker it seems

[tropic halo]

Our LIVES

It's all nerfed

[silent wave]

Run a XII or recon lazgun

[tropic halo]

Always has been

[empty robin]

Not really, the bolter is too fucking good

[teal needle]

Plasma gun <<<< bolter

[empty robin]

Plasma is good

[olive ember]

Turns out the "Surge Staff Buff" was actually "Purge Staff Nerf"

[empty robin]

But the Bolter is better

[inland flume]

And we've still only got the one Force Sword because they haven't added the others from the insignia leak yet

[silent wave]

Plasma is redundant though

[empty robin]

Thus plasma is objectively worse

[austere wadi]

you dont play vet for the vet specific weapons, you play vet for the bolter

[silent wave]

Why do you need one if you have two bolters?

[keen sigil]

lasgun vet makes things a lot comfier if all he does is take out enemy lasgun guardsmen

[empty robin]

I literally said that in an expanded manner

[pine iris]

what does kiting mean in darktide? In other games it means to get the focus of an enemy but avoid their attacks (indefinitely)

[empty robin]

Pretty much the same

[novel badge]

means the same thing in darktide

[teal needle]

That's what it is here too

[empty robin]

Kiting is kiting

[burnt tapir]

Did they actually nerf the radius, or is it just visually so you can see past it?

[empty robin]

It is an universal gaming term

[austere wadi]

it means trying to only dodge is not a good idea

[silent wave]

Its a pretty universal term

[novel badge]

you can hold block and basically infinitely back dash faster than an enemy boss is coming after you

[empty robin]

Anyhow, after having levelled my Psyker to 30 in the beta

[pine iris]

"Poxburster is no longer stagger immune after being staggered while running" I knew this was broken!

[teal needle]

Waiting to see the answer to that I'm just seeing people freak out without testing lmao

[warm blade]

they added number indicators to stats the game is finished now

[empty robin]

I am now becoming a Veteran main

[warm blade]

they can stop developing it

[empty robin]

It was good to know all of you'se for like 7 minutes

[burnt tapir]

Same, cause I couldn't see shit while using it.

[austere wadi]

yeah and peopel always called me bad because my F didn't stagger the poxburster. I told them it was bugged and inconsistent

[novel badge]

zealots are testing the flamer and a few confirmed that the hit radius is also nerfed in addition to the visual radius

[empty robin]

Time to succ the meta cocc

[keen sigil]

beast is unique so u kinda gotta kite it arround but plague ogryn has same moveset as minotaur in v2 all you gotta do is stand in front if it wait for its attack dodge back and move in front again it will make its ai do the same move in place over and over

[opaque stone]

they aren't????

[long wharf]

more than that, it means to gain enemy aggro and keep it as you move around to keep the enemy off other players

if you aren't moving around, you're just face-tanking

[silent wave]

I knew it was fucky, so I stopped trying with it after a while lol

[tropic halo]

Yeah the hair bug got patched. They got luscious locks of hair now. Now WE'RE the bald ones

[inland flume]

My Psyker is also level 30 and this update has given me depression. Also they made a lot of the penances easier, but not the one that actually encourages the most selfish griefing behavior

[austere wadi]

same, I just ran away and let it blow up on my team instead. Every reject for themselves

[silent wave]

Lmao

[opaque stone]

wait which hair bug? my zealot is still bald

[pine iris]

"Fixed an issue where it was possible to dodge-slide-kite for an unintended amount of time with the Catachan Mk III Combat Blade." I loved this bug but I knew it was not intended. I would dodge through whole hallways

[silent wave]

I would try to push it with melee but I can respect running

[austere wadi]

im telling you, they want pysker players to die and to not play pysker

[pine iris]

I remapped jump to alt key

[tropic halo]

Why make the class...

I was okay with only guardsmen.

[solid lake]

Did they just like

[shadow quail]

For people who hate themselves

[solid lake]

Nerf Psyker?

I feel like brain burst feels worse but I can't place what feels bad

[austere wadi]

in all seriousness, I just blast them with voidstrike staff. If I realize that they're already within jumping range by coming out the door that we're right next to, then I run.

[tropic halo]

Oh god

[austere wadi]

a lil

[silent wave]

Its always been bad after 2

[solid lake]

Like I mean, it feels even worse than it did two days ago

[reef jetty]

why do i feel even more squishy after the update...

[solid lake]

Like it's not quelling as fast as it used to or taking longer to charge

[teal needle]

I usually just use F on burster. Not like I'm doing anything else with it

[solid lake]

Also

Fatshark: We've eliminated minimum bleed through on melee attacks
Me, taking health damage on an attack at full toughness: So that was a lie.

[austere wadi]

i didnt notice anything different about BB, it feels just as awful as before

[silent wave]

Yeah feels the same to me

[violet crown]

HELLO PSYKERS I HAVE COME FROM ZEALOT CHAT TO REMIND YOU YOU’RE ALL HERETICS

[austere wadi]

yeah we know

[solid lake]

Hi Zealot, what's it like having a real class?

[primal aurora]

fire staff was nerfed so hard

[shut thorn]

That's fine, psykers are considering ending themselves

[wintry quail]

PSYKERS are not getting their beta helms. I got mine on ogryn and vet but not psyker

[teal needle]

Enjoy your flamer nerf

[pine iris]

the overall performance feels a little weird, chugging a bit vs the most recent beta build

[tidal adder]

We are being punished as we speak

[silent wave]

Oh yeah another thing about BB that sucks is that the lockon is horrible

[silent wave]

I have it

[onyx leaf]

my psyker has it

[violet crown]

EFFICIENT FOR DOING THE EMPEROR’S WORK

[pine iris]

what did they break for psykers in this release?

[empty robin]

Lucky bastard

[primal aurora]

it looks so stupid

[shut thorn]

It was better in closed beta where it had more aggressive special prioritization

[solid lake]

Quelling while moving with a staff now slows you down somewhat

[austere wadi]

you misunderstood them, the attack first damages your toughness then it checks if you have taken toughness damage, which will always be yes so yo utake bleedthrough damage. Its a simple mistake really

[wintry quail]

well, i got it for everyone EXCEPT my psyker, while my psyker is my highest level.

[silent wave]

Yeah it was great

[tidal adder]

Im playing psyker for the blue eyes only anyway

[turbid void]

where is my two handed force sword

[inland flume]

I feel like they just don't want people using other staves, you know? Previously everyone agreed that the Trauma staff sucked but at least the other three were viable. Now it's like "You want to target specials? Use the Surge staff. You want to clear hordes? Use the Voidstrike. Otherwise go die."

[pine iris]

People are going to hate this lol

[empty robin]

"Lemme wear a ballistic helm ontop of some basic ass robes... Yeah, they will totally claw my head all the time obv"

[inland flume]

Thank the gods that I already run Mind in Motion

[radiant lance]

😦

[austere wadi]

you mean you aren't just running the perk to remove the slow down while quelling?

[shut thorn]

Fucking why

[burnt tapir]

People are going to hate this psyker lol

[tidal adder]

Theyre nerfing psykers so the real players succum to the toxic demons instead of the character

[solid lake]

Because we're clearly not supposed to like Psyker

[silent wave]

It already slowed you down a bit. You had to take the perk to make it normal walk speed

[steady sand]

wow so cool... helmet, like psyker "beta" class.. compare to others lol

[novel badge]

yeah i thought it always slowed you down

[shut thorn]

Does anyone in the dev team actually play psyker

[austere wadi]

B for Bitch

[pine iris]

hahah the beta helm is cheesy

[austere wadi]

the dev team only plays in difficulty 1-3 from what I heard

[inland flume]

I'm genuinely becoming convinced that they do not

[tidal adder]

They definitely play vet though, probably all of them as he can do everything well

[silent wave]

Checks out for psyker lmao

[shut thorn]

Force dev team to solo malleus penance from preoder beta

[inland flume]

Are you implying Psyker is good on the lower difficulties?

[proud sierra]

so no new weapons th en for psyker?

[tidal adder]

He is

[novel badge]

the game feels balanced around malice difficulty, but they messed up power scaling for heresy and damnation for every class but vet

[shut thorn]

It's useable but who tf plays t2

[radiant lance]

Wait REALLY? Where did you hear this?

[silent wave]

Psyker is good up to 3 even

[tropic halo]

The game just came out and I don't even have the heart to play anymore

[austere wadi]

was a youtube video, also mentioned how devs at the time hadn't beaten diff 5

[steel musk]

crashed again

[shut thorn]

mfw press f to not stun mutant

[silent wave]

At least at 3 you have the ability to oneshot all specials but mutants as well as ragers

[pine iris]

I think the idea is psyker is never going to be getting the most damage and points in overall with other great players playing their classes. it is a true support class. people dont like that. (I dont care)

[austere wadi]

but that was near the mid-point of the beta

[shut thorn]

mfw press g to throw

[steel musk]

for the psyker to imbue their sword with power

[inland flume]

He's not, he's arguably even more trash.

Brain Burst is unnecessary when a 0.5 second lasgun burst to the face downs most specials, and the Psyker's crowd control is unnecessary when hordes are small enough that you can clear them with a combat knife

[steel musk]

how is that done exactly

the 5 thing doesn't work, tried binding the key to Q but that also didnt work

[silent wave]

Its a shit support class then. The surge staff is the only real support it has

[white cedar]

Phyker hood make my character bald

[tidal adder]

He can kill something with his grenade tho

[shut thorn]

Stress from the nerf causes hair loss

[round helm]

links?

[stuck bridge]

yea

[long wharf]

please don't make me cry

[austere wadi]

I think that the devs want pysker's gameplay loop to be something like this
Gain warpcharges > spend warp charges for 'powerful' attack > gain warp charges > repeat etc etc.

problem is, gaining warp charges takes an insanely long time and the 'powerful' attack you get is 4 stacks of soul blaze which doesn't even kill the generic mob enemies on it's own.

[tropic halo]

How

[tidal adder]

Actually my hair just turns white

[shut thorn]

Yeah but, what powerful attack lmao

[tropic halo]

Can they change the cliffhanger penance because they know how it can a bit much

[pine iris]

disagree, psyker is a great all-arounder

[stuck bridge]

they did

[steady sand]

if BB was instant cast.. well..

[tropic halo]

but they dont actually change the other worse penaces of the psyker

[steady sand]

can be ok with low pwoer

[split sluice]

Does Psyker ever feel fun? The long cast times and dumb peril system are so slow compared to the other classes gameplay speed.

[shut thorn]

play t4-5

[long wharf]

now, make BB use a warp charge, and make BB kill all non-elites in one shot, elites in two

bosses in 8

[silent wave]

Oh he said disagree, argument is over lol

O

[silent wave]

Am dumb I was responding already

Lmao

[inland flume]

The flamethrower staff feels fu-...

oh wait

[shut thorn]

Those assholes

[austere wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSS4q30zYqQ&t=251s
somewhere in here

[pine iris]

that's ok

[shadow quail]

Kill myself by jumping off the ledge

[shut thorn]

I spent a decent amount of time getting that penance

[teal needle]

If you think psyker chat is bad check general

[split sluice]

@inland flume XD

[shut thorn]

Ffs

[pale scarab]

So ya’ll complaining didnt see they changed the scalings on the weapons from logarithmic to linear and exponential, I’m one shotting gunners with my shite surge staff in the psychanium now. My damage doubled from the beta

[silent wave]

Nah, general is hell

[shut thorn]

what difficulty

[silent wave]

I'm avoiding it for the next day or so lol

[pale scarab]

Heresy

[austere wadi]

gunners already died in 1 shot to staff charge before

[proud sierra]

game still crasehes

[pine iris]

Emma I play in 4, win rate is fine. Get more +1 wounds

[stuck bridge]

the scab gunners? surge almost always 1 hit killed them dude

[tidal adder]

Great, how much dmg Bb does?

[tropic halo]

nah I was saying that they can change that one but they didn't actually bother to change the perils of the warp one, possibly the worst one, and the monsterium one barely got changed to where you still basically gotta solo a boss in heresy with only BB. just now it won tbe so easily fucked over if somebody accidentally breathes at it

[silent wave]

Taking extra wounds is something I'll never do lol

[pale scarab]

I was doing 177 damage before the patch now my staff is hitting for 500-600

[burnt tapir]

Fuck BB

[inland flume]

I saw it but had no idea what tf it meant in practical terms. If the flame staff actually does more consistent DPS, I'd be willing to consider putting down my torch and pitchfork

[shut thorn]

I have it maxed, not using void/surge in t4 was painful in PB

[fathom zealot]

I finally got a purge stafffffffff

[burnt tapir]

It's just a glorified grenade

[austere wadi]

Aayyy my refund went through~!

[silent wave]

I played with one in VT2, I'll be fine without them lol

[tidal adder]

So youre saying they made BB actually more useless?

[teal needle]

Christ I'm stuck at work and I'm trying to get info out of people about how this affected shit and all I've been getting is drooling nonsense. Please tell me more about these changes on a per weapon basis 🙏

[pine iris]

I can't deny that point (limited loadouts for psyker for 4/5)

[shut thorn]

holy shit really?

please don't be bait

[austere wadi]

I will be back in a few months lads, hopefully the devs start reading the pysker chat by then

[stuck bridge]

the devs will perils if they read this chat

[pale scarab]

I dont have a ton of info, I hopped in the psychanium staff damage is loads higher

[oak stump]

Is the funny staff whack move still useless?

[stuck bridge]

bye spoon

[silent wave]

Yes

[oak stump]

Aw man

[austere wadi]

i admit that I didnt test surge staff but I did test void and void damage was unchanged entirely

[oak stump]

I wanna kill like, a guy atleast with it

[faint sigil]

its really good for spamming in the elevator

[oak stump]

Without having to swing 6 times

[silent wave]

I saw an idea to make the staff special like the force sword push when it used peril

[shut thorn]

It took 2-3 full charge surge staff hits to kill scab mauler with a proper setup, how many does it take atm?

[inland flume]

Please test the Purgatus staff, you're my only hope right now

[austere wadi]

force sword was also unchanged

[white cedar]

this staff?

[wide quest]

I want to buy the helmet in the bundle separately ;-;

[upbeat cosmos]

they`ve changed second heavy attack on devil sword? now its harder to cut hordes

[silent wave]

I think it would be neat and it using peril would be more reasonable since it's not a basic push of a melee

[burnt tapir]

What the shit. Is that an in game screen now?

[teal needle]

There's different devil swords with different heavy patterns

[faint sigil]

did they fix the switching weapons in psykinarium bug

[silent wave]

What the hell, that inspect screen is great

[pine iris]

I want the stripey pants for my psyker but I have slightly too much of a life to spend on cosmetic gear

[pale scarab]

I dont know what to tell you, I wish I had recordings of my prelaunch post launch psychanium for confirmation, but I’m killing things a lot quicker now and my numbers are different

[shut thorn]

preorder beta force sword special* was 2 hits to kill scab mauler, like 4-6 to kill crusher on t4

[pale scarab]

My purg staff also reaches further but has a narrower cone

[jolly wasp]

i am testing in meat grinder now and yes Surge seems to be doing a lot more dmg to the main target, almost 1 shotting most specials like gunners

[pine iris]

"Psyker’s Force Staff should now stop charging while quelling Peril." THANK YOU I thought I was doing something wrong. It felt stuck/uncancellable but I was pretty sure it was my fault

[austere wadi]

I meant that I was testing the damage out myself and comparing it to the damage before. It might've been slightly higher but force sword was still taking 2 hits to kill shit that took 2 hits before. It was 1 shotting stuff it 1 shot before. The actual damage might be 50-100 higher but as I dont remember the exact value from before, its pretty much the exact same, somewhere around ~900

[silent wave]

Force sword special actually oneshot maulers on heresy if you hit a heavy on their torso, pretty neat to know

[pale scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044413619288412233/1047577907289145424/image.png

[solid lake]

They limited damage curves from logarithmic to exponential and in some cases linear, so you two might be seeing the effects of this.

[pale scarab]

Weapons scale better now

The better your staff the bigger the improvement

And it feels good

[signal turret]

Enough salt in general chat to convert every freshwater lake on the planet lol

[pine iris]

hhahaah ^

[shut thorn]

I'll hop into t4 with surge in a bit then, waiting on a few friends atm

I really hope you're right

[brave drift]

So what's the new Psyker weapons?

[shut thorn]

stress and air

[signal turret]

Nothing, still same 65 weapons from beta

[shut thorn]

aka fucking nothing

[steel musk]

Crashed again!

4 times

[brave drift]

Seriously?

Wtf

[tropic halo]

we got longer finger nails now

[solid lake]

Anyone else crashing immediately on trying to click the special attack tab on forcesword?

[jolly wasp]

also seems like surge does more dmg the closer you are... ?

[teal needle]

G chat makes psyker chat look like utopia

[signal turret]

Preach haha. I didnt realize me asking about the missing weapons in general was going to start WW3. I feel kinda bad now.

[pine iris]

I think the perf hit is that they are running a debug build again for launch. (debug builds make logging errors easier but affect performance)

[brave drift]

No 2h Force Sword? aaaagh

[shut thorn]

Uhh did anyone else get lex triumphant (again) just now? wtf?

[brave drift]

What was the reason for not adding the rest of the weapons?

[white cedar]

t3 Voild Staff

[shadow quail]

At least we got cosmetic store

[signal turret]

Who knows lol

[jovial quail]

After 3 Heresy runs, Pysker fucking feels different lmao. I dont know what it is but it just feels damn different. Maybe its because i'm not playing exclusively Endless Horde anymore but yargh.

[steel musk]

I don't even have the staff yet

[shut thorn]

[novel badge]

the cash shop is basically the only thing they added/improved for "launch"

[shut thorn]

Plz tell me you have a shit staff

That was a one shot

[long wharf]

my void staff wasn't killing mobs as fast as before

that's for sure

[silent wave]

I wonder is better scaling made trauma better

[shut thorn]

Still clunky to use

[pale scarab]

I don't know the details on staff particulars, I got frustrated with psyker after hitting 30 and trying to run into heresy prelaunch and swapped to playing veteran, the changes to weapon scalings make me feel like i'm playing a whole new class, honestly I need to play the game more and just have fun

[teal needle]

They changed weapon damage significantly everyone is too busy whining to read patch notes

[signal turret]

I think they fixed the perks for all weapons

So everyone is doing slightly less damage. My Surge Staff was 1-shotting Flak targets in Damnation, takes 2 now.

[silent wave]

I guess I could see that. I didn't think it was too bad but that might change past heresy

[pale scarab]

They fixed the bug where %damage increase to armor was giving 10x the bonus

[jovial quail]

Are there real patch notes breaking everything down? I read their main one that popped up but the "weapon/balancing" was only like 8 things

I'm losing my god damn mind over here

[signal turret]

Thats what I figured

[white cedar]

I crit headshot Reaper 1500

[silent wave]

They did fix the damage to perks from doing 10x the damage lol

[jovial quail]

It's subtle changes but it feels different and its driving me insane

[burnt python]

they said weapon scaling was logarithmic before, so high high end weapons should be much stronger now, while weaker ones will be weaker than before

[dusty thunder]

So they really going to open the cash shop before the Crafting system?

[pale scarab]

log scaling is really bad scaling, linear and exponential scalings are far far far far far better

[pine iris]

@jovial quail there's like 2 separate patch notes sections in "Community Update #4: Darktide Launches" on Steam Community page

[long wharf]

it should be that all weapons should feel stronger than before

[pale scarab]

(bad compared to linear or exponential)

[burnt python]

log scaling was a weird choice for sure

[silent wave]

Money

[long wharf]

a straight line is overall higher averages than a log curve

[jovial quail]

@pine iris awesome thanks i'll go check em out

[shut thorn]

You can get pretty much the same cc from voidstrike by just aiming it into the ground, trauma would be better with a bigger aoe or faster charge with less peril

[dusty thunder]

Kinda makes me upset.

[burnt python]

exponential is a weird choice as well though, it will just make the grind for absolute max power weapons even more important

[jolly wasp]

Well Psych wrath scales the staves nicely now, I was one shotting the gunners with it in meat grinder damnation. Big upgrade, Surge does decent damage now fully charged can actually take out a special... very nice.

[steel musk]

It crashed again

It keeps crashing

[somber flume]

Anyone know what the phyker outfit look like in the shop?

[silent wave]

that's fair, but slamming the staff into the ground is way cooler lol

[long wharf]

it sucks, but nice pfp

[somber flume]

Thank you

[pale scarab]

the changes to weapon scaling make psyker feel REALLY good to play

[dusty thunder]

Hey but good thing they got that cash shop up before fixing those crashes

[somber flume]

Any new weapons?

[pale scarab]

we aren't just BB bots we have options now

[silent wave]

we never were BB bots

[dusty thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-23325023

[silent wave]

BB kinda mid

[signal turret]

Psyker options

1. CC slave
2. Reroll Vet

[steady sand]

Saddly not long robe or long coat cosmetic

[long wharf]

I dislike all of the cash cosmetics right now

[shut thorn]

Pretty sure whole idea with BB in the first place was to mainly get out of reach enemies/farm charges

[jovial quail]

@pale scarab That explains why my like 480 flame staff was demolishing and made my ascendant blaze which I heavily relied on pre patch feel less good i guess then. I definitely felt like I was doing more damage overall but it felt like it was from a different source lol

[shut thorn]

Said idea would work if force sword wasn't a joke offensively

[wide quest]

Apparently if you turn off steam overlay and try to buy aquila, you're now with the loading forever.

[steel musk]

I guess

[jovial quail]

(Ascendant blaze is still amazing, but I was killing faster in other regards that things just felt off)

[pine iris]

Veteran is OP bc it's bugged. Veteran community doesn't want to say it. It will be nerfed IMO and there will be tears

[steel musk]

I might just play through the tutorials with psyker at this point

[white cedar]

anyone know how Surge Staff damage work?

[signal turret]

Unofficial official early access lol

[novel badge]

vets are already quitting because of the toughness bug

[acoustic pine]

what bug?

[teal needle]

Bb is for distant non mutie specials and bulwarks atm. No other uses for it

[novel badge]

they take a ton of bleed melee damage above 100 toughness

[shut thorn]

Main target takes most of the dmg, rest get significantly lower dmg

[acoustic pine]

lmao

[signal turret]

Damage through toughness is deleting people

[shut thorn]

5 ppl get stunned, including specials

[novel badge]

like actually getting 3-4 shot by walkers

[acoustic pine]

Well yeah that needs to be fixed, but also why does the glass cannon ranged DPS class have 200 toughness

[long wharf]

100% this

[silent wave]

Because they aren't psyker

[long wharf]

there's no reason for Vets to have more stock toughness than Zealots

[pine iris]

I think I have to record some of my playing psyker. I clutch often with BB, crowd control with ease, do good boss damage. Do not feel limited at all

[novel badge]

giving vets double everyone else's toughness was ar eally weird game design choice

[noble garden]

Is zealot in a good place right now or should i just roll with veteran?

[jovial quail]

The damage between these two seems pretty substancial (so is the warp resistance but still, blue vs mastercraft)

[novel badge]

like... it was suposed to go to zealots.... but something got mixed up somewhere....\

[teal needle]

Get ready to get butthurt at

[pale scarab]

one of those has much higher base rating than the other, play with that one

[jovial quail]

Also, doesn't flame staff not crit? I remember a few days ago people were complaining it got the perk but didnt crit

[novel badge]

wait so which one is doing more damage?

[wide quest]

Nope, I tested it out days ago.

[jovial quail]

i'd assume the blue one by a large margin, time to head to meat grinder.

[silent wave]

The blue will do more damage but the stats are worse overall

[acoustic pine]

flame staff crits yes

DoT doesn't

[obsidian yoke]

it says

[acoustic pine]

I think it used to not crit but they changed it

[wide quest]

It does? ;-;

[obsidian yoke]

blue does 17, orange does 15

[shut thorn]

Idk surge staff dmg seems similar to what it was before

[wide quest]

Oh

[novel badge]

patch notes say they removed crit perks from flamer beause it does'nt have the ability to crit. purge staff does?

[acoustic pine]

@wide quest yeah I think it used to not crit, but I was getting crits in meatgrinder

today

[novel badge]

are the numbers yellow? or orange?

or white?

[wide quest]

Well at least it was a bug and not intended.

[pine iris]

When I watch streamers play psyker poorly it's cringy. But I can see what they're doing wrong (trying to do what they want to do vs reacting to where the team needs help)

[acoustic pine]

yellow

[worthy wasp]

"Fixed an issue where Kinetic Flayer could be activated when an enemy is damaged by a tick of the Soulfire debuff."

[acoustic pine]

yellow is crit

[novel badge]

oh that is a crit. weird

[acoustic pine]

orange is weakpoint

[shut thorn]

Nvm it's main targeting is behaving really odd now

[acoustic pine]

Can't wait for those datamined stats I want to see what the "burn" stat on purgatus actually does

[teal needle]

Main targeting with surge staff always sucked but can at least hit people up stairs now

[burnt python]

its targeting has been weird, leads to getting whacked in the face occasionally when it just bypasses the mob in your face under your crosshair

[acoustic pine]

it doesn't seem to affect DoT stacking or damage

maybe it's DoT duration

[long wharf]

burn is the number of stacks that get applied

[acoustic pine]

no it isn't

[ruby sorrel]

hm... how i suppose to do achivment restricted to do "in solo game" if there are no solo lobby

[obsidian yoke]

so thereis no new forcesword?

[shut thorn]

no

[acoustic pine]

I get same stacks testing between a staff with 79% burn and one with 30% burn

[burnt python]

same damage as well? very odd

[steel musk]

Are we allowed to post stuff in here

[acoustic pine]

no

leave

[steel musk]

what the F*** does this mean

[pine iris]

I hated not being able to shoot through the stairs

[half rain]

Are there any new weapons?

[acoustic pine]

no

[pale scarab]

do 2 heavy attacks back to back

[acoustic pine]

just predatory cash shop

[forest lance]

Ouch

[pine iris]

just keep the mouse 1 button held down

[steel musk]

No there was one with the number 5 to activate special attacks for psyker

[hollow sandal]

Predatory

[shut thorn]

Also whoever posted voidstrike not oneshotting gunners/flamers in heresy, your staff has a bad roll or smth, all of them still one shot to head

[hollow sandal]

People just say things

[odd spindle]

Am I the only one who feels like Soulfire doesn't do anything? Feels like a waste of talents around it

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal premium currency that is designed so you have to spend extra to buy things and always have some left over instead of just a $ value, and FOMO baiting expiration for deals

[hollow sandal]

So don’t buy it

[forest lance]

It definitely doesn't anymore

[hollow sandal]

Your definition of predatory is fucked

[acoustic pine]

Yes? Still predatory

No it isn't lol

[burnt python]

it never did lol

[shut thorn]

Mauler is 3 headshots now though opposed to 2 but it might be that my staff didn't scale well

[hollow sandal]

Thats not predatory.

[wide quest]

[pine iris]

for cosmetics

[shut thorn]

It's barely 3 headshots

[jovial quail]

SO. Flame staff can crit now, also sadly this blue one overheats ridiculously fast so not a keeper for me personally even with higher dps. But theoretically it's doing higher dps at 106 power rating under the mastercrafted one. Might just mastercraft it to test and see how they perform similiarly

[pale scarab]

Oh no cosmetics that have no tie to player power are being offered for real money you'll never be able to clear damnation without them

[indigo valley]

Yeah, not pleased with soul fire. In combination with the flamer staff it’s alright, but…

[wide quest]

The helmet looks ridiculous and I love it.

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal yes it is those are psychological tricks companies use to get people to spend more money in a cash shop, it's scummy predatory practices

[hollow sandal]

Just

Don’t

Buy

It

[acoustic pine]

Still predatory

[peak sundial]

helmet good tho

[acoustic pine]

what you're saying has nothing to do with what I'm saying

[jolly wasp]

its not, you are wrong. Good day sir.

[burnt python]

soulfire or w/ needs to do like 5x dmg to be relevant

[silent wave]

Power rating doesn't mean anything. It gets inflated by stuff other than stats

[peak sundial]

still very predatory

[jolly wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-arnold-reaction-what-predator-gif-13604554

[indigo valley]

Bought the psyker set immediately, even if it’s ugly 😅

[pale scarab]

you'll hit that with a god tier flamethrower staff

[civic marsh]

well the sole fact that you have to buy a currency to then buy your cosmetics is just stupid

[burnt python]

you can see the base stats power rating vs power raiting from traits now

[pine iris]

It's a predatory practice. Your local diner has predatory practices too

[hollow sandal]

Your definition of predatory is bonkers then

[acoustic pine]

Article on predatory monetization

"One of the most overlooked issues is in-game currency, Close says. It isn’t just that transactions often leave the player with enough left over to encourage more spending"

Literally the cash shop here

[shut thorn]

Okay so, trauma is actually good now

[long wharf]

okay, maybe it's just me, but it seems like my surge staff is critting more now?

[burnt python]

my guy, i agree with your idea of it being predatory, but a random article is not a valid source lol

[hollow sandal]

“Predatory”

[acoustic pine]

Not my fault you just don't know what predatory monetization is

[jolly wasp]

yeah bro the person who made that article is the same guy who made the Oxford dictionary.

[hollow sandal]

Its just a tactic

[long wharf]

in the meat grinder, seeing a lot more yellow numbers than I remember seeing before

[jovial quail]

I've spent more money on in game guns than if I were to buy their real life versions and decked them out with the absolute best stuff so... I can kinda agree with predatory in some sense. But unless its gacha oriented I feel like it's no where near the same.

[hollow sandal]

If YOU are baited by a sunk cost

For cosmetics

[pine iris]

@acoustic pine this is part of living in a capitalist society, not really Fat Shark/videogames issue. But I hear you (seriously)

[hollow sandal]

Thats not THEIR fault.

[shut thorn]

Nvm trauma still sucks, mutant is still immune to it

[hollow sandal]

They are not assholes for it

[steel musk]

Found it

what does the number 5 with a mouse mean

[acoustic pine]

I haven't spent anything on the shop lol, I'm just pointing out it's predatory practices, because it is

[kindred chasm]

Rip flamer

[novel badge]

thumb button

[kindred chasm]

[tidal adder]

Click 5 times

[acoustic pine]

Not my fault you don't understand terminology

[jolly wasp]

its only cosmetics, you can buy the $50 game and never buy cosmetics and experience the entire thing fully. That is not predatory dumb dumb.

[steel musk]

click what?

the middle roller button?

[hollow sandal]

Mouse button 5

[tidal adder]

Correct

[spice oar]

yeah

[heady maple]

can't believe you took a screenshot and asked discord rather than just trying yourself

[shut thorn]

lmao, chainsword alt does more dmg than force sword alt

l m a o

[steel musk]

I did

It's not working

[tidal adder]

Remap it

[spice oar]

also why am i refistered as new ive been here since the weekened

[hollow sandal]

Your terminology is ascribing negative moral condemnation. I’m saying its dumb.

[civic marsh]

Well it's more anti-consumer practice than actually """predatory""", but predatory is just shorter as a term, everyone knows where you're going when you say predatory talking about paid currency. It just means : paid packs with weird numbers made to make you buy more packs because you can't have what you want with just one pack or that you have to buy the pack that gives you a lot more of that currency that what you wanted to pay

[acoustic pine]

Premium currency designed to be just not enough/leave you with leftovers after buying and making things time limited to bait FOMO are very well known predatory monetization practices. You're just hung up on the word "predatory" because it sounds bad and you want to defend the game even though that's just the terminology used for this stuff.

[tidal adder]

Clinging on it doesnt seem any wiser

[steel musk]

Thank you!~

[obtuse walrus]

Fatshark ... please

[civic marsh]

i mean... you all know what it means, stop being so tied to a term

[steel musk]

That works

[obtuse walrus]

Give me the VR Goggles

[steel musk]

Much more helpful than others in here

[teal needle]

Refister sounds like something a slaaneshi cultist would do

[hollow sandal]

“Sounds bad”

Do you think its bad?

[jolly wasp]

Predatory monetization schemes (e.g., 'loot boxes') in video games are purchasing systems that disguise or withhold the long-term cost of the activity until players are already financially and psychologically committed.

It's not an activity dumb dumb.

It's just a cosmetic and you don't have to purchase it.

[tidal adder]

Its the psykers chat, you should have voice inside your head that talks to you, dont blame them

[obtuse walrus]

It's Predatory because it's shit.

[long wharf]

FOMO isn't the definition of anything predatory

[steel musk]

I'm ready to catch a flight for some of yall honestly

Heated

[jolly wasp]

Fine I can get behind that, it is shit.

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal it is bad yes, it's designed to psychologically trick people into spending where they normally wouldn't have

[teal needle]

BOGO sales are predatory

[craggy ocean]

kinda hilarious to see that force sword push peril is back, you know after they patched it in then out....

[hollow sandal]

Ok so don’t hide behind “you’re mad cus it sounds bad”

You intended it as a negative

[indigo valley]

It does seem like the chainsword is a better alternative. The block/push with the sword is pretty great though

[white cedar]

btw, don't click on Special Attack of PowerSword/ForceSword in Attack breakdown. It will crash your game

[obtuse walrus]

Limited Time acquisition with Premium Currency that is not enough or too much is just a ballache

[burnt python]

if the increased push attack cleave is back with it, thats a buff

[hollow sandal]

I understood your intent

[tidal adder]

You guys argue about stupid things

[misty mist]

Bro I just wanted those additional weapons they said we would get

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal what do you mean hide behind? You are mad because it sounds bad, even though it's true

[pine iris]

that being said, the moment I can buy weapons with cash I have to leave the game. One time I got into hearthstone for 3 months, spent a bunch of cash and the meta changed. I never played again

[hollow sandal]

Bruh

[tidal adder]

It is what it is, its called predatory, doesnt mean the entire game is shit. Its a common practice now, go cope

[shut thorn]

Special attack heavy mode on force sword is actually worth it now, it's way better than chainsword

[hollow sandal]

I’m saying you’re wrong

[ebon jolt]

I think the flame staff can crit now at least.

[shut thorn]

1.3k dmg against carapace

[craggy ocean]

didn't feel like it ill just have to test a bit more

[hollow sandal]

It doesn’t ‘sound bad,’ you are saying IT IS BAD

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal too bad I'm not lol

It is bad yes

[pine iris]

Emma is the only one doing what we all should be doing, testing out our shit and reporting back ACCURATELY

[novel badge]

literally any business that tries to make profit to survive will engage in some kind "predatory" practice. discounts, coupons, bogos... these are all designed to make you want to spend money you wouldn't otherwise

[jolly wasp]

The APA has coined the term predatory monetization as with-holding an activity at the expense of a long-term cost. What activity is held back? Is there a mission you can't run because you didn't buy a cosmetic? Dumb dumb.

[jolly wasp]

That's not considered predatory it's just monetization

[burnt python]

no i'm just here to watch invis pick an argument on every possible topic in chat

[shut thorn]

Force sword special mode heavy two shots crusher ❗ ❗

[novel badge]

thats why i put it in quotes

[hollow sandal]

There is no PREDATION

[tidal adder]

Exactly, doesnt mean its not bad, it just wont ever change. Arguing about it seems like unnecesarity and waste of time

[acoustic pine]

@novel badge premium currency designed in a way where you always need to buy a bit extra and have some left over is absolutely predatory though

[teal needle]

Okay hear me out, let's make a system where you unlock cosmetics by buying into an mlm

[novel badge]

it's just capitalism

[shut thorn]

this means 4-6 sec to kill a crusher for basically free w/o a reload penalty or anything

on heresy

[pine iris]

Aaaaaand definitely not fun or in the service of fun

[hollow sandal]

And the cosmetics are NFTs

[tidal adder]

Its also common practice, thats why others dont view it as “predatory” even though it might be defined as

[jolly wasp]

It's not predatory because it doesn't withold an activity you dumb dumb. You keep focusing on the currency itself, they even have a single currency... it's only predatory when you have to convert the currency multiple times. It's simple math that a 10 year old can do, it's not "tricking" anyone but your straw man.

[hollow sandal]

You don’t NEED any of it

[novel badge]

if you think this shop is predatory, you should check out some asian mmos. your head will explode

[pine iris]

Name calling is for losers

[acoustic pine]

@jolly wasp you also pulled a random definition from somewhere, lootboxes aren't the only form of predatory monetization

[tidal adder]

Fucking semantics

[burnt python]

not selling premium currency in the same increments as item costs is bullshit, regardless of what term you want to use

[shut thorn]

Psyker melee is actually viable in heresy now w/ force sword

[elfin cloud]

Honestly just block the guy and move. He's very clearly just stirring the pot

[tidal adder]

I mean of any places psyker chat is probably the right one

Go nuts

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal that changes nothing, still predatory to design it this way. Why does it not just cost 13.99? Why do you need to spend $15 to buy something worth $14 of premium currency?

[jolly wasp]

A "random" definition from the American Psychological Assocation.. who coined the phrase in the first place. Where did you get your definition? https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-50340-001

[novel badge]

lootboxes were considered predatory beause it resembled gambling

[misty mist]

Give me gum gum?

[burnt tapir]

Anyone verify if the changes to purg staff are just visual noise reduction or if they actually nerfed the AoE?

[hollow sandal]

Alt framing: items cost 10 bucks and give you a 2 buck discount on another purchase.

[shut thorn]

Range and cone seem identical to before

[hollow sandal]

You get bonus currency, if you want to use it

[burnt python]

did you even look at the article? theres an important word missing from the definition: Predatory monetization schemes typically involve in-game purchasing systems that disguise or withhold the true long-term cost of the activity

[novel badge]

i'm wondering if cloud radius scaling was also changed, so at 100 cloud radius you get closer to what it was in beta?

[burnt tapir]

Cool, so just make it less "I nor my allies can see what's going on"

[hollow sandal]

“Worth” Its worth whatever you’re willing to pay for it

[novel badge]

the zealot flamer hit radius has been drastically reduced

[misty mist]

I'm waiting to use my premium currency no way am I buying the toilet helmet

[shut thorn]

yeah it sets stufff on fire that's way out of the visual cone

same as before

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal you completely ignored what I said, neat

[tidal adder]

Being naked with BETA helmet is my go to now

[jolly wasp]

The APA reference does not say typically, I would assume if they meant to put the clause they would have. The abstract is very clear, and you can read the full text if you want.

[teal needle]

Lol thanks lots of people were reporting the opposite

[hollow sandal]

No, I’m saying you are operating off a broken framework

[polar gulch]

unless someone already datamined all the sets currently in the game, that's the smart play - see how many there are on rotation before deciding

[acoustic pine]

They make you spend $15 to buy premium currency to spend $14 worth of that currency and leave you with $1 worth left over so it feels "wasted" which encourages you to spend more

[pine iris]

the predatory practice debate is WAAAAY off topic

[acoustic pine]

Instead of it just being a $14 purchase

[hollow sandal]

Your PoV is ‘skin costs 14 in currency.’ But it doesn’t

[tropic halo]

Thank you. It looks like an astronaut helmet without the cool visor that comes with it.

[shut thorn]

If you change the sound to something shit people will report it does less damage, it's just placebo

[hollow sandal]

The conversion is one way

[tidal adder]

Oh so youre poor

[hollow sandal]

It costs its in game currency

[tidal adder]

Just have money lol

[polar gulch]

your daddy's money you mean?

[dull flint]

hey guys, i wanna be a psyker main, any tips on early game until you get your force sword/force staff?

[hollow sandal]

So, if you want it it costs whatever it takes to convert into

[shut thorn]

• Purgatus is a lot more useable now considering you can actually see stuff now

[acoustic pine]

what does this have to do withit being predatory monetization?\

[jolly wasp]

They didn't make you buy anything, you are choosing to. It takes the brain of an 8 year old to figure out how much the skin costs, not like you have to convert 4 currencies coughasian mmo'scough

[shut thorn]

Save yourself before it's too late

[misty mist]

Use kantrael lasgun and duelling sword

[polar gulch]

play veteran

[dull flint]

should i go back to zealot main?

[acoustic pine]

@jolly wasp that has nothing to do with it being predatory monetization, you can choose not to buy something and at the same time it can be predatory monetization

[hollow sandal]

Are buy one get one free deals predatory?

[tidal adder]

Its a stupid argument thats just supposed to stir this chat into a finish line that has nothing to give.

[jolly wasp]

True it's like that kid who came in the other day claiming fatshark was a horrible company for having a beta before launch

[shut thorn]

Probably unless you're content with being cc slave/designated human grenade

[civic marsh]

You can actually brainburst 3 times before you have to vent, that took me some time to realize 😄 that last brainburst beginning at 90% peril wont make you explode

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal that's not even related?

[misty mist]

Psyker is kinda weak above malice

[shut thorn]

Force sword does two shot basically every special now though

On heresy

[teal needle]

Psykers not much worse than zealot honestly. It's mostly that vet is busted due to weapon choice rn

[hollow sandal]

So no?

[pine iris]

@acoustic pine please drop it. this is the psyker channel on the darktide discord. not a political forum. nobody cares about your opinions on the world here

[jolly wasp]

Lmao you are super dense, it doesn't matter what evidence is provided to you the definition of predatory is just set in your head even if it's not aligned with everyone else's. Words have no meaning guys!

[acoustic pine]

@hollow sandal no

[pine iris]

everyone debating with kirvin do it in DMs

[dull flint]

i thought high lvl meta was 2 psyker 2 zealot/one ogryn with shield?

[pine iris]

see if it still feels interesting and prescient

[hollow sandal]

Are buy one get 10% off your next purchase deals predatory?

[jolly wasp]

I'm just having fun because he's a big dumb dumb and it's fun to tell the big dumb dumb they are a dumb dumb. Back to Ogryn chat.

[acoustic pine]

@jolly wasp like someone else pointed out you didn't even read that it doesn't say what you said it does

[shut thorn]

That was closed beta

[worn canopy]

This ain’t predatory

Lmfao

[shut thorn]

Psyker suffered massively in preorder beta, having two was kinda ehh unless they coordinated with voidstrike and surge but even then 2 veterans with bolters wouldve been ffar better

[charred topaz]

why are people even talking about microtransactions in Psyker chat?

[civic marsh]

not, but entering a shop, having to buy tokens for something to buy by increments of 10 tokens, and having all the items cost 15 tokens is

[worn canopy]

Not a clue

[acoustic pine]

@civic marsh exactly

[worn canopy]

I am downloading so I am looking around to see what’s new

[teal needle]

Predatory = visiting earth to hunt humans for sport and then squaring off against Arnold Schwarzenegger. I will not accept any other definition

[jolly wasp]

ummm... did you click the link?

Abstract
Predatory monetization schemes in video games are purchasing systems that disguise or withhold the long term cost of the activity until players are already financially and psychologically committed. Such schemes contribute to the increasing similarity of gaming and gambling and the potential for financial harm for those with Internet gaming disorder. (PsycInfo Database Record (c) 2020 APA, all rights reserved)

NO Typically clause in there, he just added it because he thought it should be in there. APA didn't agree with him... idk maybe I'll just go with whatever definition some random dude on Discord uses because he doesn't understand it.

[hollow sandal]

Its the same thing, you just arbitrarily seperate them

[misty mist]

Idk anything about high level meta but psyker is just about only good for popping armored enemies on high diff and vet can KINDA do it just as well

[acoustic pine]

Thanks for proving you didn't read it

[burnt python]

dude, an abstract is less meaningful than than the article itself. The words in the article are the substance, and they use the clause

[spiral escarp]

did they changed the flame size of the flame staff? seems so much smaller now and hitting much less enemies

[tidal adder]

Yes

[acoustic pine]

@jolly wasp can't read

[civic marsh]

maybe, but it is what it is, i don't care about the precise definition of predatory, if you want I can say "anti customer practices"

[hollow sandal]

If you want an item that is 15 tokens but can only get 20, it costs 20

[burnt python]

he just doesn't understand than an abstract is a summary and not the full fledged details

[shut thorn]

It's hitting same amount of enemies, just the visual is smaller

[hollow sandal]

I don’t think its ‘anti consumer’

I think its ‘you don’t like it.’

[signal turret]

Virgin Purgatus vs. Chad Surge

[proud sierra]

Is yalls game still crashing more than and in beta

[burnt python]

either way this whole argument is pointless lol. Selling premium currency in different increments than the in game item costs is horseshit

[shut thorn]

more proof that the cone is the exact same as it was before

purgatus is still shit though

[hollow sandal]

F

[pine iris]

I just blacklisted the words predatory and consumer in discord. everything got so much better

[burnt python]

emma you the goat, sorry for us idiots interrupting your ac tual contributions

[dull flint]

OMG i get to keep my open beta characters?! nice

[teal needle]

Everybody arguing about the definition of predatory for the last like 30 minutes is a loser, thanks

[polar fractal]

log into darktide, realise they changed the psyker push penance from 20 to 7

proceed to laugh

[tepid nest]

The people buying the game are preyed on. Gotcha.

[civic marsh]

I don't like it. Do you?
The answer will have no importance.
Why just not make a shop with cosmetics marked as "12€" instead of having to buy tokens then spend them?

[polar fractal]

might actually be bothered doing it now

[jolly wasp]

Such schemes are designed to encourage repeated player spending using tactics or elements that may involve, either singularly or in combination, limited disclosure of the product; intrusive and unavoidable solicitations; and systems that manipulate reward outcomes to reinforce purchasing behaviors over skillful or strategic play.

You left out the rest of the ... entire paragraph.

[tidal adder]

You know what else is predatory

Politics

[polar gulch]

every piece of cosmetic in a B2P game should be available by playing as well, don't even @ me because I am objectively correct

[peak sundial]

where new weapon

[hollow sandal]

Same reason folks do “10% off next purchase”

To incentivize repeat business

[misty mist]

All I know is I better be able to spend these aquilas on something else

[signal turret]

Paid cosmetics for Psykers are dog though. Looks like im going to be holding on to my Imperial edition Aquilas for a minute.

[acoustic pine]

I mean yes, it's literally "designed to encourage repeated player spending using tactics or elements" thanks for proving my point

[burnt python]

my guy theres a whoel damn article, you can copy and paste whatever parts you want but they are meaningless in their parts, you have to look at the whole thing - which describes teh various ways developers drive consumers to spend more than they initially intended - you could easiliy argue the misaligned currency purchase values & items costs fit that description

[stoic tendon]

new weapons were never promised

[worn canopy]

Of course this chat is talking about something else entirely different from the rest

[tidal adder]

How do the cosmetics look?

[long wharf]

okay, twice now, once in a mission and once in the meat grinder, my psyker has simply wiped away all peril instead of self destructing at 100%

[peak sundial]

I thought it was damn

[shut thorn]

So uhh, have you guys tried the autoguns, why tf are we using staves now

[hollow sandal]

I’m guessing we’ll see weapons roiled out as like

[long wharf]

once with a void staff and once with a trauma staff

[hollow sandal]

FLC

[signal turret]

Like a chrome-plated port-a-potty

[shut thorn]

Lmao, 6 rounds to kill crusher

[misty mist]

They were though, we got 65 weapons and they said 70+

[tidal adder]

The imperial edition cosmetics i mean

[pine iris]

SSSSHHHH!!!!!

[worn canopy]

Great Buff!

[civic marsh]

But it's not like that here. (and everywhere else)
You HAVE to PAY the bigger pack to get the item that costs a fraction of what you paid

[worn canopy]

Sibling don’t tell them

[acoustic pine]

@jolly wasp they design it so the amount of currency you buy and the cost of stuff in the shop doesn't line up to "encourage repeated player spending", so thanks for agreeing with me.

[worn canopy]

Also ain’t this all cosmetic?

[teal needle]

Bad news: that's the instadown animation bug. If that happens in the wild you don't vent you go down

[hollow sandal]

Its the same thing, your brain just arbitrarily seperated it.

[burnt python]

Yup, psykanarium doesnt let you die

[signal turret]

Oh idk. Aren't they just camos? I honestly just slapped the backpack on and called it a day. I bought the imperial edition to support the game, im not even certain what all it includes outside the backpack and portrait frame lol

[shut thorn]

This genuinely terrible roll of an autogun does more dmg than 2 full charge void blasts in only 6 rounds

L

[long wharf]

again, it happened while out on a mission as well

[hollow sandal]

Its an illusory difference

[civic marsh]

Well, we ain't going anywhere 😄 I'll stop arguing here

[burnt python]

but aoe tho

[pine iris]

what staff were you using @long wharf surge?

[tidal adder]

Black clothes stuff and ogryn tattoo iirc

[nimble coyote]

were there any changes to psyker on launch?

[long wharf]

in mission, I was using void

[shut thorn]

Ok but it has 25 rounds in a mag

[unkempt wadi]

do u lot know if u can get the warp battery penance on malice now

[fringe mauve]

Good roll ?

[signal turret]

Prison drip >

[fringe mauve]

Got this from mission drop

[pine iris]

ahh, I was thinking it was a bugged fix of the surge insta kill

[burnt python]

right, but its not uncommon for one charged void blast to hit 15+ enemies

[misty mist]

They fixed surge staff not hitting vertically

[tidal adder]

Add a beta helmet and youre my guy

[polar gulch]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/classes-in-darktide/60591 they were though

[subtle robin]

i just met a psyker who only uses BB

i have a new take: BB should be removed from the game completely

[next meteor]

🅱️elmet

[signal turret]

Today, we are all beta

[long wharf]

feel free to block those people

[fringe mauve]

Was he called alister ?

[fringe mauve]

Was his name alister ?

[burnt python]

how well is the surge verticality change coming across in gameplay, does it feel good now?

[pine iris]

the new weapons might dribble out over the next few days/weeks

[shut thorn]

It's still better than void, surge is actually good now, purgatus has a better visual but otherwise is just bait, trauma does far better damage but lacks in cc

[tidal adder]

So does fatshark do day 1 patches?

[pine iris]

@tidal adder fast turnaround on patches, seems like it.

[subtle robin]

no

[misty mist]

It's good, surge still kinda weak to me aside from stun though

[polar gulch]

not holding my breath for much because december traditionally grinds to a halt once most of the devs leave for the holidays, there's just a skeleton crew left for stuff like server maintenance

[fringe mauve]

I only use bb

[burnt python]

the autogun and void are just meant to do different things. I think trauma does great CC it just generates way, way too much peril per charge

[shut thorn]

Full charge it, it's like a 800dmg difference now from no charge to full

[safe spear]

If you guys want to get a max level weapon, the stat allocation MAX is 380 https://gyazo.com/0b15670186d688ea6ab42bd319f189ce

[civic marsh]

What I don't like with trauma is that you're nicely charging your secondary onto a horde, and then a grenade explodes, and then all you can target is at most like 3 guys because they're all dispersed

[subtle robin]

you make at least 3 people per mission want to only run premades, i hope you know that

[trail garnet]

im still updating, is there a scoreboard yet?

[pine iris]

awww crap. you're probably right

[shut thorn]

Some specials can't be cc'd by trauma like mutant/reaper

[weak galleon]

what exactly is bugged about it?

[long wharf]

no and there should never be

[stoic tendon]

any proof?

[trail garnet]

Lame, i really dont understand people like you

[fringe mauve]

Elites dont exist when im in the match

[teal needle]

It's like trying to clean up pasta sauce with parchment paper you just smear it around

[burnt python]

I thought mutant could, but have not played with it in a while so I'll take your word for that. Trauma could definitely use some love

[shut thorn]

But the main take away is: Start using heavy special attacks on force sword

[pine iris]

toughness too high to remain there forever, the bleed damage thing, the infinite knife thing

[tidal adder]

People with strong opinions that nobody cares about? Thats the majority of US

[shut thorn]

it's 1.3k dmg

You will two shot literally every special

[safe spear]

I've never seen a single green weapon over 400 or another weapon in general with over 380 stat allocation

[trail garnet]

XD

[plush tendon]

well that's one hell of a nerf...

[stoic tendon]

just curious

[burnt python]

don't tell anyone but mk V dueling sword heavies are significantly higher dps without the animation lock

[safe spear]

Yeah im not 100% sure, but im like 95%

[shut thorn]

surge deals with all specials, trauma really needs faster charge time or bigger area

[acoustic pine]

I feel like 400 should be the max, which would be all bars at 80%

[next meteor]

Man what

[wide quest]

A bit too much I'd say, 15 seems more reasonable.

[shut thorn]

the high peril can stay

[next meteor]

(I don’t even really care I got it like second try with a friend)

[burnt python]

agreed, or a lingering aoe, just needs something extra

[trail garnet]

Highest ive knocked down is 4 so im glad that got nerfed lol

[teal needle]

How does dueling sword heavy compare with ax heavy

[stoic tendon]

i apoligize i wasnt trying to be a nuisance just curious if it was a FACT

[mint burrow]

Penance gear on psyker looks exponentially better than the store gear :(

[shut thorn]

1.3k dmg was against carapace fyi

[misty mist]

So do you guys run dueling sword or force sword? I find dueling has way better horde clear

[next meteor]

How does the Imperial edition gear look

[plush tendon]

but these two seem alot more reasonable -

[civic marsh]

Oh BTW, any one having the warp sounds (getting at 50/95% peril) nerfed since release?

[stoic tendon]

dueling sword doesnt do shiz to bosses

[mint burrow]

True