psyker-class

[warm meteor]

they certianly tried for a "battle wizard" vibe. overall this class seems decent at getting high uptime on staffs but doesnt completely feel like a psykinetic discipline psyker to me

[floral stump]

Needs more Lifta Droppa

[warm meteor]

i was expecting more nods to the psychic powers those psykers get

[warped linden]

I was also kind of expecting feats to change fundamental aspects of your kit.

[warm meteor]

instead we got staffs that fill in for other disciplines and alot of peril resist

[warped linden]

not just minute percantage increase

[floral stump]

I am hoping they fix it, and make the subclasses not so much so

[dusty thunder]

Don’t listen tu Uh ‘umie. Orks iz best!

[warm meteor]

the warp charge ability is also strange

its damage buff feels unimaginative

[floral stump]

They are training us to eat souls so we can accept the gifts of Grandfather

[warm meteor]

thats not even what warp charges nescessarily do

[maiden venture]

If there would actually be subclasses, what would the first one for the psyker look like?

[warped linden]

So thinka bout it like, instead of picking an element based on staff, what if, we get mark 1 and mark 2 staffs, that have long and short range effects, and your element is chosen as your level 5 feat, and also changes how BB is used.

[floral stump]

Because as Horrific as the blessings of nurgle are, they also teach fortitude and resilience in the face of overwhelming odds.

[warm meteor]

our 3 main builds are "burny boi" "staff uptime maximum" "and head popper extroadinaire"

[warped linden]

You pick void, your BB gets a faster cast time and more damage, fire your BB soul blazes enemies around your target, surge your BB inflicts an aoe stun

[warm meteor]

like if thats the talents then why is only one of them focussed on a psykinetic power? he isnt a pyromancer why does he have talents that support the purgatus staff so much?

[dusty thunder]

I like me ma xplosion staff

[floral stump]

I would be a fan of trauma staff if its aiming was not an exercise in headaches

[warm meteor]

but like talents wise those are the three builds

[floral stump]

But aiming something that is connected to the bottom of where the reticle is makes my head hurt

[warm meteor]

i like that we got a staff uptime increase thru talents but i think the purgatus support is very silly

[warped linden]

trauma staff is also the objectivly worst staff in every possible metric

[warm meteor]

why is the psykinetic focussed on fire so much

[floral stump]

The telekinetic does not do telekinesis. It bugs me

They channel void energy, and throw fire and lightning. But no Kinesis

[warped linden]

right? why can't i throw scabs at each other

[warm meteor]

yeah imagine if we could lift an enemy up, then chuck it at people

[floral stump]

Let me pick up and ^

needs more LIfta Droppa

[warm meteor]

or throwing barrels to better positions

[floral stump]

Oh look a Pox Burster

HUCK

[maiden venture]

Is there a video summary out there explaining those builds in a bit more detail?

[floral stump]

Nope

[warm meteor]

one of the staffs couldve been a force push rather then the sword

[floral stump]

Actually left click pull right click push would work

[warped linden]

or throwing our teammates off ledges when they take the last charge of a healing station when they had a single pixle of health missing and you're one down from death

[floral stump]

Yank people out of formation or stagger a big and ugly

[warm meteor]

idk its just my opinion that when picking your levelled talents those are the obvious options. so when i say "build" im not really including weapon choice etc

[floral stump]

THere is not a lot of room for variation

[warped linden]

also BB sucks ass

[maiden venture]

I really do think I'll roll with the Void Staff first and pick my stuff accordingly. It just feels good to use

[warm meteor]

staff uptime would pick, peril resist, warp charge 4 percent in coherency, 6 warp charges, cooldown per warp charge on blitz

burny boi would pick all the burn skills that help the purgatus staff

and head popper would pick anything that effects our grenade skill

[warped linden]

which almost nothing does

[floral stump]

I feel like burni boi does headpopper better cause passive pops

[cyan echo]

imho, the Block Using Peril is one of the best feats

[warm meteor]

well, we got the "burn nearby enemies when you head pop and elite" "bonus damage from none warp attacks when you head pop and enemy" and "faster and cheaper head pops after ult"

[sterile scarab]

can XGP preload the game?

[warped linden]

burn enemies when you head pop an elite is almost worthless

[warm meteor]

so a few choices effect the grenade skill

[warped linden]

soulfire damage is abysmally low

[warm meteor]

my point isnt whether its viable. just whether the game designers support a talent tree build for it. and it appears that they think some people want to use BB alot

which isnt the case

[warped linden]

me I want to use BB a lot

[warm meteor]

and those talents end up feeling like dead weight since BB is so weak

[warped linden]

but it needs to suck like 50% less for me to do so

[warm meteor]

this. i love BB so much it just needs such a substantial upgrade

[maiden venture]

I'd want to use BB as well, but it has to scale with something and it must be faster or more mobile or have more active "boom" potential

[cyan echo]

itd be nice if they changed the feat to "Upon killing an enemy with BB, apply soulblaze to all adjacent enemies"

[warm meteor]

so a BB focussed talent tree build exists. but BB needs more love mechanically before it becomes viable

[warped linden]

Okay so we get 6 talents for 30 levels right? Why doesn't each teir of talent effect some part of your kit in a way that gives meaningfull choice instead of stupid percents?

[maiden venture]

Caster in other games are in the backline causing devastation. I feel like I'm debuffing elites for everyone else to clear off

[warm meteor]

or instead of making it fire based make its feel like a psykinetic ability. instead of fire it could push everything nearby to the ground. we could get a skill that makes the BB target float in place so they are CC'd the whole time

a psykinetic themed staff wouldve been cool

[cyan echo]

I like the idea of it doing continuous damage instead of being end-loaded as well

[warm meteor]

yes thats another

[warped linden]

Grenade > offence > defense > passive > coherency > ult something like that

[warm meteor]

doing like 300 damage a second or smth

actually how long does BB take to charge

[serene stone]

"let's remake the the whole system that's been programmed"

[cyan echo]

"the system sucks so lets keep it the way it is"

[warm meteor]

mine does like 1200 to a mauler

[maiden venture]

Not entirely unlikely in a live service game

[serene stone]

It's sarcasm

[warm meteor]

thats true. talents being completely rewritten isnt out of the question

[serene stone]

It's honestly fine imo, maybe some slight tweaks in the numbers but the feats themselves are fine.

[warm meteor]

honestly i really want a psykinetic themed staff

[maiden venture]

Oh I do know some devs who do say stuff like this

[warm meteor]

if psykinetic was the CC king with force pushes, pulls, lifts, and throws it would be cool

what if we got levitation

wait lemme look for the old psykinetic discipline

[warped linden]

see my thing is, if you're going to have a game based on incramental increases in percentages, do that in your gear, talents should feel more meaningful

[fallow tulip]

I love this class, power sword and staff, no ammo required! The Emperor protects indeed!

[warm meteor]

the class is awesome. i just am salty about some design choices

still my most played

[warped linden]

my only played

space wizard was an idea I liked

I just feel like it's a bit clunky and stunted in its current itteration

[floral stump]

Force Sword. Power sword is WAY different.

Power weapons use an energy field to break down what they touch at a molecular level.

So it is more of a hot knife through butter effect.

[warped linden]

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[fallow tulip]

True, true, I definitely misspoke, I only have a couple days of the pre-order experience and still don't know all the proper names of the gear

[warm meteor]

so kinetic powers in necromunda do things like: make shields, throw debris, crush (this is BB), push people (our ult), straight up blasts of force for damage, and levitate

so we see that it IS in our kit at least.

[warped linden]

Of flying space wizard would be great

[warm meteor]

but i still dislike fire based abilities on a psyker who isnt the pyromancer

[warped linden]

so we could go pick up the idiot sharpshooter that didn't jump down with everyone and got hit by a trapper

[floral stump]

Shoot the Big Unz also prioritizes people that fly and make themselves easy targets without their Doorgryn

[warm meteor]

its just a weird choice in general

at the very least we can make a force field with the force sword

[warped linden]

there's a lot of odd choice sin this game

[warm meteor]

do other classes have weird design spaces too?

[warped linden]

yea

ever class has some talents that would better suited for a different subclass, or are functionally worthless.

[warm meteor]

so far ive only played zealot and ogryn. i do think that zealot having a crit based built feels off as subtlety and precision isnt what i picture. but i like ogryn overall

[warped linden]

i mean crit is basically "hit more harder"

[warm meteor]

psyker is my most played, and i havent touched vet

[warped linden]

so that fits zealot

[warm meteor]

yes, but the weapons that do crit builds well are things like the combat blade and stuff

all weapons can do it tho

[night mist]

Zealot has faith flavored buffs that let them hit harder. Fervor is a hell of a drug.

[warped linden]

also zealots being functionally better tanks than ogryn is madness

[warm meteor]

its just minor thing and i like the crit build

[floral stump]

Does the Zealot win by spilling endless blood for Khorne? I am only half joking when I say I could see them being blessed by Khorne

[warm meteor]

they do have a voiceline that is sus

"blood for the throne, skulls for the emperor" or smth

[warped linden]

"Skulls for the golden throne"

[warm meteor]

yeah

thats sus

[floral stump]

That is a bit past

[warped linden]

it was probably put in as an easter egg

[warm meteor]

but its also a nod at how much the imperium love human skulls and blood

and they looooove skulls

got them everywhere

[floral stump]

High Gothic

[warped linden]

even the doorknobs are skulls

[warm meteor]

everything is a skull

oh god

[night mist]

Skulls are rad

[warm meteor]

what if the imperium is a khorne cult

[warped linden]

like really sometimes a cylinder will do

[floral stump]

Because human brains automatically apply Gravitas to the image of a skull

Its a important thing so we add weight to it

[night mist]

Skulls keep your brain mush safe. Skulls are good.

[warm meteor]

also not canon. but the emperor in TTS says "i use the human skull as a symbol to show our enemies that even our base form, we are beautiful" or smth like that

and the human skull when symmetrical and cleaned can be quite aesthetically pleasing i suppose

[smoky linden]

I find it impressive that German Psyker has not called out Beloved Nutter's Imaginary Friend yet. Maybe they tolerate their "special" sibling, or maybe they're just waiting to strangle them later.

[warm meteor]

you mean the emperor?

[floral stump]

All of us are brain melded to the emperor. You will put up with a lot for the family in your head

[warm meteor]

does german psyker hate the emperor

[sharp oasis]

TTS should be canon

[young summit]

that would be abused so hard in pugs.

[smoky linden]

Yep he kinda do

[warm meteor]

okay

[smoky linden]

"I am as close to your Emperor as I wish to be"

he is almost a heretic lololol

[warm meteor]

he does scream "worship me" sometimes

[smoky linden]

Yeah, thats a bit sus

[floral stump]

To be fair, our brains were forecefully melded to someone elses and consent does not matter

[warm meteor]

i like the dreamer since he is so wholesome

[weary wasp]

psykers have no reason to like the emperor

[warm meteor]

also despite my tendency to play chaos factions on the table top its actually just religious factions i like. i foresee a sisters army in my future

[cyan echo]

Soulbonding prevents them being demonfood, so maybe not?

[weary wasp]

its either frontlines for them or getting yeeted with 9999 other psykers to keep the golden throne powered

[warm meteor]

tbf emps isnt in control of either of those things

[floral stump]

If you think everyone believes in the Emperor as fervently as they profess to, you need to realize that the option is "Love the Emperor or I shoot you in the head."

[tidal adder]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-priest-blasphemy-gif-21064011

[soft nest]

Praise Slaanesh

[night mist]

Commissars be like

[ornate hamlet]

the enforcer psyker doesn't seem to upset with service to the imperium

[floral stump]

Slaanesh gets a bad Rap, but then all of Chaos Gods do

[warm meteor]

and he did want humanity to explore their psychic gifts. but only after they made it safe to do so with a webway

[warm meteor]

slaanesh and nurgle are the only ones approaching benevolent or "nice:

the others... not so much

[floral stump]

Without T'zneetch the Materium would have fallen to Nurgles Entropy.

The prusuit of KNowledge is inherently Noble

[warm meteor]

fallen is the wrong word

[cyan echo]

Ahriman is that you?

[floral stump]

I consider the end of the acquisition of Knowledge a failure. I would very much be one of the ones that went looking for it.

[warm meteor]

he is as a god, prone to screwing with his own followers. you see he feeds off of hope. so his best followers never succeed their goals since he would rather they hope eternally then get what they hope for

nurgle feeds off despair. but you become his follower by him removing your pain and despair from you. then he used you to spread more despair. this is why alot of his followers and daemons are actually actively trying to help or play with people, but get them sick instead

[cyan echo]

"If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. If you've made your peace then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth.”

Accept despair, Nurgle loves you

[floral stump]

I have to go get teeth drilled, but I would love to argue this later. You say it steals hope, but I see it as the presence of room for hope, for the idea of there being hope of more to learn, more personal change to embrace. That is the Positive of T'zneetch it is the god of Growth.

[warm meteor]

his beasts of nurgle are actually puppy dogs who dont realize they are killing things

[floral stump]

Without T'zneetch there would be no evolution, no change. It is VItal

[warm meteor]

i didnt mean steal. he feeds off the emotion like the other gods feed off their respective emotions. so a chaos god of hope has to feed off said hope

so slaanesh isnt stealing pleasure, but istead trying to max it out

so tzeentch doesnt want people to be content

so ahriman will never succeed in his goal

[floral stump]

And hope has this stunning quality of being able to grow in nothing as a base, so T'zneetch is also teaching them to have internal drive and passion.

[warm meteor]

as that would make him no longer a conduit for hope

[floral stump]

There is always hope, always.

[warm meteor]

ahriman is being screwed by tzeentch tho, there is no way to not see that tzeentch sabotages him

[floral stump]

I would accuse Big E of stealing hope on a permanent basis far more. Look at the atrocities that are ratioanlized in its name.

[warm meteor]

the same way magnus was screwed over by him

[floral stump]

Parents will sometimes trip up their children a bit to help them grow.

[warm meteor]

tzeetch actively messes with his followers

[weary wasp]

You've got your causality backwards. It's the desires and emotions that spawn gods, not the other way around.

[floral stump]

As do all parents

[warm meteor]

he caused magnus to be shattered into pieces tho

i dont think tzeentch is evil, but by golly he is very mean spirited

[weary wasp]

he also nuked majority of the Thousands Sons

[floral stump]

None of the Chaos Gods are evil

But they are 100 percent not mortally understandable

[warm meteor]

khorne is 100 percent evil to some capacity

even with his postive aspects

nurgle actively spreads despiar

[floral stump]

They are all Grey.

[warm meteor]

and he is the nice one

[weary wasp]

i dont know. If someone wants to infect me with every desease known to galaxy and laugh while i fall apart, I think thats pretty evil
nurgle

[floral stump]

Does he spread despair, or freedom from the suffering caused by others?

[night mist]

The Chaos Gods are good. It’s all Imperium propaganda. They’ve always been there and loving you, aspects of humanity in their own right. The foul God Emperor is self-appointed to destroy their orderly love.

[cyan echo]

Does Nurgle really "spread" despair? Doesn't he just tell you to accept it?

[ornate hamlet]

warfare and skill at arms are a necessity in 40k, would not any bloodshed qualify as his domain

[warm meteor]

they arent as grey as you would think. the lore clearly shows that they are messed up due to the war in heaven spreading so much suffering it messed the warp up

[weary wasp]

his troops are very much into getting people rot alive

[floral stump]

Nurgle is 100% loving towards everyone he takes into his embrace. It is just not a love mortals can get their head around easily

[iron sundial]

But they are all cheery and happy about it

[weary wasp]

Well yes, every psycho thinks he does a right thing

its just a historical fact

[floral stump]

There is no way a person can understand the how and why of a Chaos God

[ornate hamlet]

If he can overthrow them, he should, for all his flaws, the Emperor has the best vision for humanity, remaking the entire species into psychic gods is pretty epic in concept imo

[floral stump]

They think in Epochs

Its like Abaddon. Seriously, he is playing the Long game

[cyan echo]

I can hear them approaching...the "Failbaddon" masses

[weary wasp]

All person needs to understand is self-preservation. Whatever threatens it is evil

[warm meteor]

khornes essence is bloodshed unchecked. we arent talking about simple martial skill and honour (which totally falls under him tbf) but mass murderers and serial killers. if you killed thousands of babies then khorne is okay with that. however sometimes he will chastise his warriors for taking easy kills. this is due to all the gods having lots of emotions that make them who they are so they can be inconsistent. so sometimes khorne likes murdered babies and othertimes he doesnt.

but it doesnt change the fact that murdering babies is khorne worship. and so is cannibalism and other acts

[ornate hamlet]

Wouldn't violent defense of your home qualify too tho

[warm meteor]

so just cuz khorne is sometimes a cool war god with honour, doesnt change that he is also into killing babies. so as a whole he is evil even with the positive aspects

[cyan echo]

Any act of killing, as per the definition of Khorne

[mellow crescent]

imo the intent of your violence matters

[warm meteor]

not to khorne tho

all violence falls under him

[floral stump]

Did'nt Khorne let a Grey Knight off of his World in the Warp cause he impressed him that damn much?

[weary wasp]

khorne doesnt care for the DeFeNsE

[cyan echo]

Who're the orks that got stuck in Khornes realm and basically found Valhalla?

[warm meteor]

im not sure. but he is known to be impressed by peeps and let them off scot free where others wouldnt

[warm meteor]

tuska the daemon killa

and his waaaagh

is what ur referencing

[cyan echo]

Ah yes

[floral stump]

I think it is the last book of the Grey Night Trilogy. Gets dragged there after talking the Castigator into admitting it was a Daemon so he could kill it

[iron sundial]

If you think khorne killing stuff is 100% evil then you will get a kick out of how Slaneesh kills things

[floral stump]

Since he could not kill a STC

[warm meteor]

im aware that slaanesh is messed up too

they all are

[weary wasp]

thats why they are chaos gods

screwing things up is just what they do

[ornate hamlet]

violence isn't inherently evil, so if you're making the case that the other chaos gods are not inherently evil, I don't see why leave out Khorne

[soft nest]

Dont blame baby Slaanesh his parents didnt raise them right.

[warm meteor]

violence isnt inherently evil. nothing is. you need context

[wheat wren]

Can't wait to wear a dog collar that says beta on it

[mellow crescent]

I kill the defenders of secret knowledge (to aquire said knowledge) while taking pleasure and satisfaction with the perfect form I show while in combat. The corpses, left unburied, rot and decay.

Do the kills go to Khorne, Tzeentch, Slaanesh or Nurgle?

Oh, I also want to use said knowledge to combat chaos.

[weary wasp]

khorn's violence has no other cause but the violence itself

[smoky linden]

psyker chat sure is fucking HERETICAL

[weary wasp]

there is no meaning behind it

[smoky linden]

someone get the flamer, we need a PURGE

[warped linden]

as it should be, why should we worship your emperor?

[ornate hamlet]

May Nurgle bless me with his pestilence.

[ornate hamlet]

that's cause he's just violence in general though, any violence, all violence, except maybe probably potentially some types of magic violence, am I mistaken?

[warm meteor]

lots of acts actually go to several gods. slaanesh is famous for stealing acts and aspects of other gods actually.

their champion greater daemon has several lore examples of stealing other gods aspects

[mortal cargo]

when you constantly hear wierd voices, we gotta stick together to figure out which ones will not make us grow tentacle or two

[warped linden]

Khorn gets murder, she who thirsts gets murder done for pleasure

[soft nest]

Baby Slaanesh is the stereotypical youngest child.

[proud sierra]

Beloved it's almost time!!!!

[weary wasp]

yes but as mentioned there is violance for the cause, like fighting for the humankind. Khorne revels in the result but not in any reason behind it

[median meteor]

my people

I may like playing any class but I am forever a psyker

[warm meteor]

kharn also didnt kill a mortal because the mortal wanted to die and "it wouldnt give khorne any pleasure"

[median meteor]

you can take the crazy out of voices but you can't take the voices out of crazy

[weary wasp]

^

[ornate hamlet]

if anything, that makes him sound less malevolent though, he's just a force of nature, violence itself as a whole, no matter the intent or cause, if you are scuffling, he is there

[warm meteor]

nurgle has alot of aspects to him taken directly from Buddhism. but also his lore also likens nurgle corruption to actual symptoms of depression. khorne has alot of honourable traits but is also a psychopathic murderer. they all got those positive and negative vibes

[mortal cargo]

that's a big point by people that don't worship chaos per se, but are heavily infatuated with it, that chaos gods are malevolent just for the sake of being evil, they are more akin to forces of nature

it's if you would try to scream at tornado that it is evil because it attacked your farm

[weary wasp]

except then his legions go on and slaughter entire planets in the bloodiest way possible

[warm meteor]

actually itll be good to bring up that struggle and will power are also khorne aspects.

[compact gale]

I am ready

[smoky linden]

The Commisar does not approve of any of this

[warm meteor]

kharn kills the officers of his legion to make sure rank wouldnt ever mess with the leadership of the WEs

[ornate hamlet]

And then those who fight to stop them end up feeding him as well... he cares not from whence the blood flows and all

[warm meteor]

at best we've proven khorne is indiscriminate

[noble pendant]

Who let the commisar in my dream?

[mortal cargo]

that's their way of prasing him, other warrior may go around planets for honorable duels and just for betterment of his art of fighting, and that would also please khorn

[warm meteor]

the only way to properly not evilize the chaos gods is delegating them to forces of nature rather then entities that exist

[median meteor]

what on earth is the commisar going to do about it when we turn his brain into playdoh?

[warm meteor]

when a buck is torn apart by a bear, its not evil. its nature

[warm meteor]

he also knows that trick tbf

he just uses bolt rounds

[half river]

Fun stuff

[weary wasp]

Those ones don't sing praises in his name however. hence he is a chaos god, one that demands blood and heads. Good old evil that threatens the existence of the emperium, even if more of primordial kind

[ornate hamlet]

Nurgle is more akin to the cycle of nature. Death and rebirth, survival of the fittest, through plagues and disease.

Buddhism is about one's self. Nurgle is about the many, hence why his power comes and go.

[ornate hamlet]

I'd rather we just keep souping empy up till he's strong enough to get up and go give'em all a kick in the pants, his saints already seem anathema to chaos, potentially able to straight up erase it at times

[half river]

Does the assassination target boss have a carapace head?

[warm meteor]

his worship just takes aspects of Buddhism. it also takes aspects of numerology and other things

and survival of the fittest isnt right. he is fine with people succumbing and having weakness

[indigo valley]

Would love to have a staff poll. Curious what other psykers prefer

[median meteor]

this seems unsafe

[noble pendant]

I want to say yes? Honestly I just see the orange and red ticks when I hit stuff anything else is beyond me

[median meteor]

I personally like my brains not turned into soup

[weary wasp]

wonder if any stats of staff will change on release

[mortal cargo]

seven, seven, seven, seven, seven

[ornate hamlet]

well we'll just grap the psykers who are already basically soup brains, not everyone with your power has your willpower

[warm meteor]

not what i meant lol. like numerology the practice. if you dont know what it is its like astrology but instead of stars its numbers

its also highly unscientific

[half river]

Someone posted a straw poll yesterday. It was overwhelmingly voidstrike

[lunar crater]

Sounds delicious. I like brain soup

[warm meteor]

voidstrike just has soo much going for it

[median meteor]

voidstrike is great but shock (of whatever it's called) is clutch as fuck in high difficulties for delaying ability

[mortal cargo]

oh, i know what numerology is, just wanted to reference the boss quote

[warm meteor]

it suppresses enemies like a gun using bullets, has damage, has horde clear, has CC

[soft nest]

voidstike can stagger everything but monstrosities

[indigo valley]

Oh ok! That's the staff I've preferred on malice and above. Seems like the best option right now

[mortal cargo]

surge, and true, being able to stop a whole wave, including specials and elites is just chef's kiss

[harsh igloo]

Can't wait for my imperial Psyker drip

[weary wasp]

casual players tend to go for whatever has the biggest damage

[warm meteor]

fair but not as easily as the surge staffs no brain perma stunning 5 maulers

void requires actual skills

[median meteor]

surge has a vastly better AoE capability which is great on higher difficuties for buying you a precious few centimeters to swing a melee weapon

[warm meteor]

i havent eaten in 30 hrs

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike is great, but boring.

As the others are under balanced.

[weary wasp]

based

[warm meteor]

im gonna look for food in my kitchen

[warm meteor]

its actually not boring ;-;

[half river]

Ah yes. Scavenging for food in your kitchen

[wooden berry]

Lightning goes brrrrr

[ornate hamlet]

It is, as everyone is going to use it...

[median meteor]

my issue with surge is that I don't have a good one yet

[warped linden]

go stab a boar to death with a pointy stick like a real man

then eat it raw like a real orc

[warm meteor]

ur just a hipster "is popular so its bad"

[weary wasp]

its a bit meh in those 100 goon horde chokepoints but hey. elites

[warm meteor]

u can use your melee to deal with hordes

[warped linden]

huh, psykers can use melee?

[warm meteor]

yes

[potent echo]

what if 2 staff psyker, purge and surge staff

[weary wasp]

throwing void fists

[warped linden]

I thought that knife was for shaving

[median meteor]

I love voidstriking into a choke point and picking up a solid 30 kills for only 30% peril

[warm meteor]

we got catachan knife for hordes. its a nice weapon

[half river]

Force sword isn't horrible for horde fighting. Definitely need someone to help you tho or you will start losing ground

[warm meteor]

more like 20 percent

[potent echo]

duelling sword gang where

[twilit folio]

peak performance

[median meteor]

it's down to 10% after weak point procs

[soft nest]

my force sword has the perk to block propjectiles too

[median meteor]

force sword is fun as shit for bosses because it chunks

[warm meteor]

and uncharged voidstrike is like as cheap as the primary fire

[indigo valley]

Combined with the blessing of minus peril on a weakspot hit, good stuff 🙂

[median meteor]

I'd check what I have on my sword but maintenance

[ornate hamlet]

What's wrong with variation? That's a sign of a well balanced game, giving players the chance to create unique characters to play.

Nothing hipster about it. Its just called good development.

[wide heron]

Ive been using a bleed stack on non-weakpoint knife for a long time and its starting to upset me cause my melee weapon is like 100 rating behind my ranged weapon cause I cant get something worth replacing it

[warm meteor]

i find the chainsowrd overall better for that since no perils stopping my special attack spam

[median meteor]

if you can get a sword with quell on weak hit aim for the head and it should be spammable

[warm meteor]

not liking a weapon cuz its popular is being a hipster. wanting balance is different

u came off as the former

[tawny nacelle]

[weary wasp]

can scrap the weapon and put the bleed perk on another knife with crafting once its out. But yeh, 4 (or more?) bleed stacks per attack is easy 100 per tic. Melts reapers

[warm meteor]

voidstrike is inherently super fun. and i use the surge way more often

[warped linden]

I want a staff that lets me summon nachos and watch everyone else fight while I wait for a BB target

[indigo valley]

Been thinking about that. Seems nice to able to switch to a melee weapon when I've reached a high peril, and do special attacks

[bitter abyss]

Surge staff i pair with what i call "Imperial Tazer" build.

[warm meteor]

it chunks and its heavies are decent vs hordes

[idle valve]

sans undertale

[median meteor]

I kinda wish BB felt more viable at higher levels

[warm meteor]

but not as good as the catchan knife at hordes

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't say I didn't like it. I just said it's boring.

I use it, it's sweat with the hordes.

So please don't say I said things I didn't.

[wide heron]

yeah exactly, I mean even swapping to it when theres too much in melee range, aim low and suddenly watch a entire group bleed out. Its kinda hard to replace that haha

[warped linden]

higher levels? it's not even really viable on malice except for snipers and bombers

[bitter abyss]

everyone does. Once ppl do 4/5 difficulty, the usefulness drop becomes apparent really quick.

[median meteor]

even on 2 it doesn't pop the big guys fast enough

[weary wasp]

Every staff in vt2 is viable, expect the same here with time

then its just a matter of taste

[median meteor]

it's nice against armour but power swords exist

[warped linden]

just throw out the trauma staff and give me a staff that let's me chunk enviormental objects instead

[soft nest]

on highest difficulty its 3 BB to kill one of the big armored guys not that bad

[median meteor]

trauma staff is fine

[warm meteor]

i gave you a label and then described what that label means. i didnt put words in your mouth

[warped linden]

right click pull left click throw

[median meteor]

it's the purgalus staff that chews ass

[compact cargo]

No reason to use it

[warm meteor]

if someone says they like a certian personality or weapon and i call them an edgelord its to conjure my opinion of them in a simple easy to define stereo type

[weary wasp]

trauma can target backlines with aoe

[tawny nacelle]

i dont like the trauma staff, i already have enough trauma in my life, dont need more 😉

[warped linden]

only problem with the purge staff is it needs some transparancy on the flames so you can see something other than white

[humble saddle]

it literally one shots dogs on malice wdym

[warm meteor]

the trauma staff to me looks like it should light things on fire

[compact cargo]

Why target the backline of a horde?

[median meteor]

it's far too much of a shotgun for how squish you are imo

[warped linden]

oh oops forgot dogs

[tawny nacelle]

it can with a thingy

[weary wasp]

shootie guys

[warm meteor]

we got a few weapons that look fire like but dont light things on fire

[ornate hamlet]

Don't give me that. You called me hipster for not supposedly liking something.

Don't worm your way out of it.

But still, it's boring and variation is the spice of life.

[uncut violet]

Why would you ever pick trauma to charge for 5 seconds and do a small aoe when you can take a literal railgun that you can charge for 1.5 seconds and accomplish the same thing but better

[compact cargo]

If ur targeting shoots guys while on a horde with trauma, ur doing something wrong

[median meteor]

ngl dogs are basically a non issue for teams I've been in
when people learn the dodge properly they're gonna be trivial as fuck

[warm meteor]

im giving you that! hipster hipster lol. i bet you hate pumpkin spice too

[weary wasp]

Its an option. Most builds can clear horde naturally, especially ogryn or zealot

[wide heron]

Careful they are gonna add two lines between each sentence next time for dramatic effect

[warped linden]

i actually do hate pumkin spice and I'm not a hipster I just think it tastes nasty.

[warm meteor]

whats the line? "i just dont like it cuz its all the same!" well so are sunrises and rainbows cretin

[warped linden]

more a french vanilla kind of guy

[ornate hamlet]

You sad little twat.

[humble saddle]

i just dont like it cause i dont go to starbucks lmao

[warm meteor]

i have news for you. all coffee places got that spice

[humble saddle]

nah man they dont

[warped linden]

and over charge for it

[warm meteor]

now ur getting it, label me baby

[compact cargo]

Crank that up to heresy, both surge and voidstrike help with those while letting u target shooters too, purge is good horde clear if ur frontline turns down the effects

[warm meteor]

all the ones ive been too at least, ive only been to a few tho so im not an expert

its a very common flavour

[glad star]

sir this is starbucks

[wide heron]

Gas Station Coffee hits different, best way to go

[warped linden]

i just went and bought an espresso machine, I haven't slept in three years

[warm meteor]

another 2 hrs and 24 minutes to go right

then we can game

[warm meteor]

if i take two monsters in a single day i get high

[uncut violet]

I just sprinkle coffee grounds into my cereal, gives me a good oomph to start the day

[compact cargo]

Not this time

[warped linden]

that's like... breakfast levels of caffine for me

[warm meteor]

the dream was just a caffeine induced nightmare from too much starbucks

[humble saddle]

its just a cup of turkish coffee after every single meal for me

[ebon jolt]

Do non specialist or elite ranged mobs count as unarmored?

[warped linden]

drink my blood and you won't sleep for a week. i'm like 80% concentrated caffine at this point

[warm meteor]

you have a problem. continue to enjoy it for slaanesh's sake

[humble saddle]

no

[warped linden]

i have children

[weary wasp]

Surge cant target that far. Void? Maybe. I didn't test the mass limit of its penetration. One way or another just because something is meh now doesn't mean that it will stay that way. Every weapon suppose to have its niche.

[wide heron]

Imagine not drinking 2-3 energy drinks a day to make the voices go away

[warm meteor]

so do alot of slaanesh worshippers

[compact cargo]

Surge range is about 30m, Mass limit seems to be about 6/8 pens on pox walkers and 1 on armor

[median meteor]

void appears to have infinite penetration so long as the thing it hits can be penetrated

[warped linden]

fair point

[lunar kernel]

Servers are down right?

[median meteor]

IE. non armoured target

[weary wasp]

Which doesnt do much if it just hits the first two rows of the horde

[bronze sierra]

Yeah toll 1 pm est @lunar kernel

[lunar kernel]

Thank you 🙂

[bronze sierra]

Ye

[weary wasp]

But void is good, i dont argue with that

[warm meteor]

man if we get new weapons the first day that would be swell

[bronze sierra]

Its got a timer till release

[wide heron]

I wish there was more info on piercing, cause like with Void Staff ive found some cover I can shoot through but its not reliable. I dont know if its thickness or just the game being jank when it works lol

[bronze sierra]

I think they are adding them in on release

[humble saddle]

using void is a tricky matter though since it penetrates you might alert clusters of ranged folk deep down the room

[bronze sierra]

As they said not all weapons were in the pre order beta

[humble saddle]

which basically gives your frontline a hard time trying to engage them

[warped linden]

tbh other people can clear hordes, i like the CC of surge so the idiots in pugs take less tamage and will like me enough to actually take the net off me when a trapper instant tranmissions for the 5th time this mission

[warm meteor]

i find it annoying when someone peaks their head out of cover but my surge wont lightning them even tho my primary fire can hit them fine

[bronze sierra]

Eyes that might be an issie if i didnt remove them from existence

[red ether]

How often do people use the force sword when they have the surge staff?

[humble saddle]

lmao buddy

[wide heron]

its so unreliable with that, its like one time it will literally arc aroudn the corner automatically for you, the next it literally will ignore the enemy right in front of you and zap the ones behind it.

[bronze sierra]

My group usually has me being CC so im really partial to the void

[soft nest]

I think carapace armor blocks it

[weary wasp]

like bolter has mad piercing but it detonates of armor

[bronze sierra]

@humble saddle my void gives me +20 percent against un armored and +15 on flak

[warm meteor]

personally i think lightning shouldnt be blocked by a railing but thats just me

[bronze sierra]

So its just like

See that horde, not anymore

[warped linden]

lightening should use railing as a range extender

[weary wasp]

also penetrating cover might be a weapon type exclusive thing rather than anything to do with penetration

[humble saddle]

what does it have to do with ranged getting in cover before engagement

[wide heron]

I agree, also ledges for some fucking reason.

[bronze sierra]

You dont need cover if the enemies dont exist

[warped linden]

that's a bug

[humble saddle]

good luck in damnation my brother

[bronze sierra]

Eh, i can take it

[warm meteor]

unrelated but there is a gap in one of the mission that you have the distance to jump but if you try it does the "hanging off the ledge" animation instead

[bronze sierra]

But nah

[warm meteor]

but like if it didnt id make the jump

[weary wasp]

in beta the +armor stats are kinda busted because they added way more than it tells. kekw

[warm meteor]

also has anyone else joined a mission mid game and been forced to start miles away from the main group

[bronze sierra]

Oh?

I hope they dont fix that

[wide heron]

was playing with a buddy and he got thrown by a mutant under a staircase onto a inaccessible pipe so his only option was to just jump into the deathpit.

[bronze sierra]

I love just erasing targets, it was great

[indigo valley]

Haha yes. Happened a couple of times. Fortunately, the team wasn't in trouble.

[warm meteor]

for me i was the one in trouble, since the game did that thing where if one person is isolated it spawns specialists to kill them for breaking from the team

and im not skilled at the game

in vermintide 2 my peak was being able to solo low level missions

[weary wasp]

had a guy that joined in at the very start of the map while everyone was at the boss elevator. The doors were locked at that point. He fixed it by closing the game and reconnecting, spawning near us

[warm meteor]

i felt good for dodging trappers in melee and stuff. or one shotting bosses with grail knight kruber

[wide heron]

Im still stuck in baby mode where I feel like if I DONT take the surge staff, the party is just gonna get railed by every elite etc cause im not stun locking them. I feel like im stuck doing this now

[warm meteor]

ive found dogs much harder to dodge in melee compared to trappers or assassins

but i will say the trappers in darktide are much easier to dodge then the old trappers of vermintide

ive also had dogs jump thru me?

[flint zenith]

yea i have the same problem, sometime it just run pass me and then suddenly jump on me

[humble saddle]

dodging a packmaster is equally easy tbh

[red ether]

seems easier to stun dogs then dodge them

[bronze sierra]

It really said, oh you spawned away from the team, then perish

You wont be venaire, not every team needs a permanstunlock

[warm meteor]

and sometimes the dogs movement is so erratic their model looks like its glitching out

[soft nest]

run the blast ability that makes BB cost less and charge faster.

[wide heron]

ive seen dogs join the space program when electrocuted while jumping, just launch straight up into space still alive

[weary wasp]

both dodge and push the dogs to be sure lmao

[bronze sierra]

Dodging them is easier than stunning them for me

[warm meteor]

definitely not. im a lower skilled player and i can dodge trappers super easily but it took me a bit to learn packmasters

im sure ur just a high skilled player who doesnt see the difference due to being good at both games

[weary wasp]

They are also kind jank with hits. Ive put a reved up evescerator in one's head, got it float above me in twitchy animation, and next second its on me

[humble saddle]

no not at all but

idk they are both forgiving regardless of the weapon you got at hand

[weary wasp]

packmaster's timing is a bit trickier to pinpoint without already knowing it

[humble saddle]

Yeah it usually relies on a visual cue as well

trapper on the other hand, i just listen and dodge

[warm meteor]

i definitely havent got the cues down. ive just been lucky to spot them

im also unsure if not having the music on effects some cues

[humble saddle]

poor optimization makes things even harder in darktide though

[warm meteor]

another thing that bothers me is the death animations of some enemies in this game

some of them are a little long

[trim yacht]

You can dodge trappers?!?!?

[warm meteor]

i do like that the dogs rag doll hard. ive seen ones killed by ogryns do triple backflips

[warm meteor]

yeah, all specialists that disable you can be dodged

[soft nest]

you can dodge anything

[pine hearth]

also block is 360 degrees and there is a sound cue when you are about to get hit from behind

or anywhere off you screen really

[warm meteor]

yeah and every weapons radius for when a hit is "behind" you is different

[humble saddle]

dogs are gonna be much easier once they fix their weird ass movement

[wide heron]

ive been curious why sometimes if I hit 100% im able to F out of the death animation, and other times I just instantly explode with no animation. (obviously I shouldnt let myself get that close but its still something im curious about)

[warm meteor]

so daggers block and push in a smaller radius

in vermintide shields and spears and some one handed weapons had wider pushes and blocks

it was also a stat that was visible

[trim yacht]

That makes sense. I just never thought to do it. And I always seem to to turn around and see the trapper right as he's firing the net.

[warm meteor]

in dark tide none of the weapons have a visible radius stat i think

[soft nest]

you dont insta explode if you hit 100% its when you use an ability past that 100% or trigger something that takes you well over 100% the blow up animation is if you just push it too far.

[pine hearth]

can charge a BB at 97%

and not blow up

[warm meteor]

there was a glitch that made you istant explode

[wide heron]

I should state, ive only ever noticed this situation when I go over 100% with surge staff. Sometimes I just instantly blow up instead of the no no no animation

[soft nest]

can charge force sword at 99% and not explode

[pine hearth]

you can charge force sword forever

only blows up if you switch to staff then back and charge again

[weary wasp]

do dodge iframes affect mutant's grab?

[worn canopy]

yes but also depends

[pine hearth]

yeah

[wide heron]

yeah and then they immediately 180 and grab you

[pine hearth]

yeah if you have bad latency or servers are wacky it can still grab you

even if you perfect dodge it

[weary wasp]

i nail it only half the time, granted while smacking him with evescerator while at it

[worn canopy]

if you are out of effective dodges your iframes are so bad that you get grabbed anyways

[pine hearth]

I think thats why sometimes you get that janky animation where he hold you by your feet

[weary wasp]

F

[smoky linden]

Ogryn chat is never heretical like this, because ogryns are too ... special... to understand such corrupting concepts.

[worn canopy]

Gotta really... expand your mind around it

A shocking revelation... An explosive discovery....

[wide heron]

love me emp'rah, simple as

[median meteor]

yeah...
same...

[gritty stratus]

Ngl psyker is fun

Melee psyker *

[devout axle]

I'm back, I'm angry, and I'm reposting this from last night to get any other votes before launch in a few hours.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWDaV43gA

[gritty stratus]

The peril block and the increased peril force weapon damage makes me a threat

Las pistol is my fave staff

[bitter abyss]

Mechanically, i like surge more. Void is damage/hallway king imo, but the CC from surge can help a team carry and defend against elite packs better so it's got tradeoffs for sure.

being able to stun bursters/dogs/mutants/ravagers/ragers etc is just mint. The damage is just abit low.

[pine hearth]

eh purg staff can cc aswell

and does more damage

[chrome sun]

if it could CC more than 5 enemies it would be ok.

[pine hearth]

jsut cant cc the big crushers and stuff

[thorn sphinx]

But other classes are strong against hordes, surge is the only staff that brings something other classes cant do

[gritty stratus]

Truma staff ftw

[bitter abyss]

shorter range though on purgatus and it's easier to see through barrages of lightning versus walls of fire.

my SA drops when we have too many flames rolling about

[radiant jolt]

Blocking LOS of the veterans with fire is the one thing psykers and zealots can agree on

[dusty mirage]

at least the psyker will lower the cd on volley fire

[bitter abyss]

as a psyker/ i want the vet to have clear LOS on elites, and packs as needed. things that inhibit their effectivness doesn't serve me or the emperor

[smoky linden]

I wonder if a 4 psyker team would be as fun and memetastic as that 4ogryn team video everyone posts all the time

[chrome sun]

then used void staff, it does CC and damage better than surge

[pine hearth]

nah 4 sykers have no front line

[dusty mirage]

you can also rebind ping so that you mark mobs when right click casting

[weary wasp]

ogryn on its own is already a meme

[bitter abyss]

frontline via force sword blocks/ability pushes.

[pine hearth]

not as effective as an ogryn body blocking everything

[gritty stratus]

And peril blocks make them leathal melee

Obvs

[pine hearth]

or a zealot being a zealot

[gritty stratus]

Or a sharpshooter with a power sword

[weary wasp]

the real cc is a mountain of bodies

[gritty stratus]

Nah it's the infite block pushes you can do with a force sword and peril block feat

Actually unmovable

Are there any siblings in here who do play psyker melee?

And not just when some poxwalker enters your safe space 🍼

[worn canopy]

was also ridiculed for peril block feat

i play way too much psyker melee

its the vermintide in me

[reef pivot]

I love the force sword, but the grenade sphere staff thing got me the 90 kills in 30 seconds achievement, so I have to give it up to the anti-chaff staff

[gritty stratus]

It's the only fun way to play tho

[bronze sierra]

I love using the fire staff and a force sword when im feeling spicy

[worn canopy]

fire staff with force sword for me

[gritty stratus]

Peril block feat is amazing don't let wierdos tell you otherwise, queen I stan

[worn canopy]

i play cutlass too, as a treat

[bronze sierra]

However my usual go to is the voidstaff

[ebon jolt]

I’m a big fan of this setup myself.

[bronze sierra]

I didnt say it was good, its just fun

And sometimes thats more important

[reef pivot]

Force sword often takes over the role of anti-special for me instead of the head popping. (I swear to the Emperor, if you highlight someone's head everyone shoots it.)

[bronze sierra]

Yeah

But

[gritty stratus]

Laspistol force sword is my go too, so many BBs from the 5th feat

[pine hearth]

50% charge on a BB gives you a warp charge

if the target dies

[bronze sierra]

With my group i dont even do anti special, thats my veterans job in my group

[reef pivot]

Huh, I assumed you needed the kill

[glass thistle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Scryer_Psyker

Sad we only can use a pistol or a rod

But on table we use bolt pistol with rod

[reef pivot]

My vet is obessed with the braced autogun so he kills everything that moves

[gritty stratus]

He does the animation if it's a little bit off

[reef pivot]

Except The big specials

[pine iris]

People complaining about psycher class are playing it wrong

[reef pivot]

I enjoy it, just feel a little fragile

[bronze sierra]

Im REALLY fantastic about chaff clear

[reef pivot]

Huge damage potential

[bronze sierra]

Just get over 200 hp my guy

[reef pivot]

I'm not afraid of any one type of special. Force sword or brain burst will take care of that. And the Grenade launcher staff thing murders chaff

[ebon jolt]

People complaining about Psyker class also spell it right 😂 Sorry that was a troll joke but I had to.

[worn canopy]

i want to like the voidstaff

but it just aint doing it for me

[reef pivot]

I forget which is which.

[worn canopy]

void is the ball

trauma is circle

surge is palpatine

[gritty stratus]

T the one you just mentioned

[worn canopy]

fire is fwoosh

[reef pivot]

Oh, the Ball is fantastic at murdering Chaff

[bronze sierra]

Void is the one that punches through with a fireball

[reef pivot]

Anything that isn't a special is going to die

Blobs/huge lines it's fantastic

Granted I only play on heresy so far

[bronze sierra]

I generally take the chaff clear role in my group, the vet main deals with specs that arent fast moving or a sniper

[reef pivot]

Haven't gone up too high.

[worn canopy]

i like flame staff because 10% headpop isnt a random inconvenience but a guarantee every 15 seconds

[pine iris]

Lightning staff seems best overall but the void staff is the most fun for me

[bronze sierra]

I mean fait

[reef pivot]

Ah I'm not a high level yet for the flame staff to be useful

[bronze sierra]

Fair*

[reef pivot]

I can't get all the perks in order

Level 19? atm

[worn canopy]

I build around expecting to not have any warp charges

[glass thistle]

Flame is petty weak didn’t it?

[bronze sierra]

I havent seen the main use of surge, to me that one is the weakest

[glacial abyss]

depends on who u ask

[reef pivot]

I felt it was super weak, but there are a few feats that would potentially make it strong from what I see

[glacial abyss]

i like surge the most

[worn canopy]

Flame staff great

[reef pivot]

Lighting staff is really really good at staggering people

Great CC

[bronze sierra]

Yeah but thats kt

It

[worn canopy]

the m1 stagger on first target can really save you if you're cornered

[glacial abyss]

yeah but thats what u need

[reef pivot]

Flame staff I feel is worse than an actual flamer

[bronze sierra]

And you dont need to stagger if theyre dead

[worn canopy]

since its a quick whip and fire

[glass thistle]

If you use flame rod you will need the combat knife bleed perk to make up the dots

[glacial abyss]

the cc on specials is extremely useful

on surge

[worn canopy]

i feel the opposite.

discord moment

[pine hearth]

flame still CC's all specials

[glacial abyss]

can cc multiple specials at once

[pine hearth]

except crushers

[bronze sierra]

Things die too quick on my group j guess to see its use

[worn canopy]

crushers are easy

[bronze sierra]

But also

[glacial abyss]

flame's cc is not as strong and harder to aim in a crowd

[pine hearth]

harder to aim in a crows?

[glacial abyss]

if u trying to hit a special

[bronze sierra]

Fire staff is my go to for stagger cc

[pine hearth]

crows*

crowd***

[pine iris]

adding more wounds with curios helped a lot for staying in the match. it makes exploding from peril occasionally strategic

[pine hearth]

its a flame thrower

[glacial abyss]

asking anyone else they will say the same

surge is better at cc

[worn canopy]

surge is best for stagger but bad against hordes

[frigid flame]

It’s stagger needs to last longer personally

[bronze sierra]

I can see that

[pine hearth]

surge is better CC yes but the damage is horrible

[bronze sierra]

But counterpoint

[worn canopy]

longer with CONSISTENCY i think

[glacial abyss]

exactly although i wouldnt say its bad

[pine hearth]

flame is decent damage decent stagger

[bronze sierra]

Spam

[glass thistle]

Flame shines mostly because the burn dot active the combat knife bleed dot

[glacial abyss]

very weak range though

[worn canopy]

spam flame m1 for big dot build up

also the peril cost is dirt cheap

[bronze sierra]

It needs to have better DOT stacking imo

[jolly wasp]

meh if ur gonna run flame staff why not just roll a zealot with a flamer ez, the dot does like 150 at max stacks... pathetic dmg

[glacial abyss]

exactly

[pine hearth]

I dont like the flamer

long af reload time

[frigid flame]

That would help, it makes me mad I light a guardsman on fire he freaks out for a second then is back to pinpoint laser fire while he burns. That’s a bit silly

[pine hearth]

flame staff I can spam forever

[bronze sierra]

Limited ammo

[worn canopy]

zealot cant do psyker things

[glacial abyss]

surge goes hard

[bronze sierra]

Staff doesnt have that issue

[jolly wasp]

the second you take psyker out of its own vacuum and compare it with other classes you see it does crap damage and you should just focus on CC, hence Surge

[glacial abyss]

exactly

[bronze sierra]

Seccondly, zealots too sane for my liking

[dusty mirage]

did they buff the dot to not be useless?

[pine hearth]

psyker goes great damage

you guys must not be stacking warp charges

[glacial abyss]

dont think psyker is weak on dmg though

yeah warp charges are a big one

[glass thistle]

@worn canopy zealot is way better at playing dots, just use the flamer and change to combat knife, dash and dash and cant one hit every 90s

[jolly wasp]

laughs in veteran

[pine hearth]

force sword special atm I can do 1500 with 6 warp charges

[frigid flame]

Admittedly zealot can do whatever Psyker things he wants once he has eviscerator and boltgun, his power scales far beyond what Psyker does

[bronze sierra]

Its more of a momentum based class than zealot IMO

[jolly wasp]

its fine tho, the games classes have defined role's and Psyker is clearly a support/utility role not meant to do as much dps as others

[sick nimbus]

Guys how does "Rending" work on our staffs? I think our staff ignores enemy armor anyways or am i wrong?

[pine iris]

what is DOTs? I keep seeing it

[bronze sierra]

Damage over time

[glass thistle]

@pine iris damage over time

[pine iris]

ty

[bronze sierra]

Ye

Ace

It strips armor

Iirc

[glass thistle]

And don’t forget zealot can throw a stun and create large area bleed to dead zone

[frigid flame]

Well he’s not a very good support then if he can’t heal, can’t shield Incoming weapons fire like ogryn, takes forever to headpop, and explodes if things get hairy

[worn canopy]

where is the warp screams and force sword

if my ears arent bleeding from constant screams whats the point

also the pop is satisfying

[bronze sierra]

Like i said, the zealot is too sane

[worn canopy]

exactly

[pine hearth]

you guys are crazy, im putting out so much damage with BB and flame staff

[frigid flame]

Pop is satisfying at malice or lower but at heresy or higher you basically are hurting the team bringing Psyker

[pine hearth]

can hold a horde on heresy solo

[bronze sierra]

I dont play psyker for meta, i play him for the crazed lunacy

[sick nimbus]

@bronze sierra our staff is some kind of "magical dmg" or not? so we dont need rending right?

[pine hearth]

with specials

[worn canopy]

i play heresy psyker with flamestaff

[glacial abyss]

true. dont like meta shit

[worn canopy]

my team loves me

[bronze sierra]

It will strip it to help the team

[glacial abyss]

i just like preventing teammates from dying from specials

so i use surge

[pine hearth]

hit ult with 30 perk

[hardy fog]

No support? Are we playing the same game?

[jolly wasp]

Support doesn't have to be "healing/shielding", Psyker does a lot of CC and can burst damage armored units. The problem I think is build variety, once you hit T4/5 the effectiveness of everything but Surge is diminished quickly as you should rely on your teammates more to fill their roles.

[sick nimbus]

got u

[worn canopy]

i make hordes quite literally disappear because they cant render all of the bodies

[frigid flame]

I play the same. I love the flamestaff but it needs something to help it along

[pine iris]

I have been playing Ascending Blaze (push special expends all warp charges but does stacks of soul blaze), I think it has more positives than negatives

[worn canopy]

i suppose so but its still good

[glacial abyss]

yeah alot of people dont understand support as a role in games. can be a lot of things

[bronze sierra]

FUN FACT acscendant blaze has ridiculous range

[worn canopy]

plus i like how the psyker can fulfill all roles to some degree

[bronze sierra]

He can

[pine hearth]

I do wish the perk that gives soul flame on elite kill was just on any kill

with BB

[worn canopy]

especially if you're doing some movement techs

[jolly wasp]

People come here to give feedback on the underpowered stuff so it gets fixed and will be on par with the others, more build variety is good for the game

[pine hearth]

were getting new weapons today right?

[bronze sierra]

Should be

[pine hearth]

they dident release all the weapons iirc

[bronze sierra]

And hoods

HOODS

[worn canopy]

elevated power sliding menacingly towards gunners

[frigid flame]

I heard something about a two handed force sword

Is that true

[nimble gorge]

I’m excited for my new hood

[pine hearth]

hope so

[glacial abyss]

yeah in one of the vids

[devout axle]

Me and my Psyker homies in the hoods.
(translator note: Homie pronounced Sibling)

[worn canopy]

i never saw anything about the two handed force sword

[frigid flame]

That would probably make Psyker a monster again

[pine hearth]

maybe oghs will get there power maul

[bronze sierra]

I want true psyker disciplines

[glass thistle]

For me psyker biggest problem is, they suppose to use range and psky power side by side, not only gun or rod

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Scryer_Psyker

[jolly wasp]

thats big pun intended

[glacial abyss]

No. we are primaris sanctioned psykers

[glass thistle]

On table you can always fire a bolt when your risk is too high for a cast

[worn canopy]

i already have my psyker hood

but i do need more

if only they didnt make me bald

siblings with hairloss channel

[bronze sierra]

Im still gonna grind for that 165k one

[nimble gorge]

Not all of us

[glacial abyss]

as bound psykers we can just use like 1 thing. thats why u got surge/purgatus/void/trauma staffs that do 1 thing

[pine hearth]

ive been trying to get going out with a bang

[glacial abyss]

every player psyker is a sanctioned psyker

[worn canopy]

same

[pine hearth]

even with a full group of everybody doing it I couldnt get it

[worn canopy]

this is annoying asf

[elfin jacinth]

game soon, please turn off lame ass bot

[pine hearth]

2/4 of us got ti before we gave up

[glacial abyss]

thats why u call each other sibling, you're soulbound

[bronze sierra]

You cant go bald if you already are @worn canopy

[elfin jacinth]

caps both annoying high key

bot*

[worn canopy]

i played with a group and like, perfect timing, perfect place.
veteran got his "kill 5 elites in one ult" instead

[dusty mirage]

If you need "out with a bang" just ask an ogryn nicely and they will shove everything into a pile

[elfin jacinth]

anyway, what stats do you guys go for on your psyker staffs?

[worn canopy]

never found the god spawn again

[nimble gorge]

One of the backgrounds literally is unsanctioned

[glacial abyss]

yes but then you become sanctioned

[pine hearth]

my fire staff is almost max everything except cloud radius

[glacial abyss]

because u work for the inquisition

[pine hearth]

which is a bit below half

[bronze sierra]

I isually go for blast radius then damage

Then quell speed

As i love my 10 perils give 5 toughness

[glacial abyss]

every psyker is a primaris psyker

[bronze sierra]

More reliable

[glacial abyss]

both in gear, abilities, and equipment

[worn canopy]

my psyker is nice : )

[elfin jacinth]

Question, I think i know the answer but, Does Damage stat on staffs apply to their secondary fire as well or just the primary?

[jade geode]

It's very simple, you're in the Imperium's control. That means that your character, as a psyker, is one of two things: sanctioned, or dead. And seeing as you're alive...

[glacial abyss]

exactly lmao

[bronze sierra]

Primary

Burns DOY

Dot

[twilit folio]

This is your daily reminder that the Surge Staff is superior in every way to all other staves, thank you

[glacial abyss]

u cant be a rogue psyker in the inquisition its not possible

[elfin jacinth]

Sure, that ones a little more straight forward but what about truama staff

[worn canopy]

yeah but i dont wanna use it

[twilit folio]

embrace

[elfin jacinth]

It'

[bronze sierra]

Damage will usally refer to primary

[worn canopy]

no matter how divisive we are about staves

we can all agree

[elfin jacinth]

really not though

[worn canopy]

trauma staff sucks

[bronze sierra]

Its okay

[worn canopy]

except the 1 person who uses it according to the poll

[bronze sierra]

It just gets outclassed

[nimble gorge]

We’re sanctioned on paper, but there’s nothing limiting the weird stuff we can pull on missions. Especially since we’re “already dead” according to administratum

[elfin jacinth]

It needs tuning to open up faster, currently it takes too long to charge for too small of an area. But having it be too strong would be a problem too

[nimble gorge]

We’re basically lengthening our execution

[pine hearth]

if they made the trauma left click on on self aoe

[glacial abyss]

nah u sanctioned 100% when u go into perils of the warp and push your power your only risk is explosion

[bronze sierra]

I find the range to be an issue on its secondary

[pine hearth]

that would help it

[worn canopy]

its the staff we put up with to become a psyker until we get literally any other staff

[glacial abyss]

all psykers in game are primaris psykers hence why they call each other sibling

[jade geode]

IMO: Surge and Void are top dog, easily.
Trauma is weak because of it's damage falloff (which I think isn't calculating right for it and several other weapons)
Purgatus is... in an awful state. It does literally nothing better than Voidstrike, while also massively sacrificing range and utility/stagger.

[bronze sierra]

Yeah

[elfin jacinth]

Yeah its awkward to look to the heavens to hit a guy not that far away

[bronze sierra]

Purgatus staff is just fun

[nimble gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-marvel-decision-rebel-council-gif-5618300

[worn canopy]

fwoosh

[twilit folio]

Surge AND Void? I direct you to the chart, it's very clear

[elfin jacinth]

I mostly agree, it's good for when dogs are coming at you

[fierce escarp]

Fun to use in the dark missions

[bronze sierra]

Thats kts main fun but

[pine hearth]

purge staff stops dogs

[bronze sierra]

Bois

[pine hearth]

with no need to charg eup at all

[elfin jacinth]

It does.

[bronze sierra]

Thats our true purpose

[elfin jacinth]

Well primary fire on purg doesnt have to charge either

[bronze sierra]

We are obviously the most superior flashlight

[worn canopy]

purgatus staff mmm

[pine hearth]

quick left click and anything in front of you is stuned

[elfin jacinth]

I just wish that Shock staff affected more targets/prioritized elite targets

[worn canopy]

i actually use the flame staff on dark maps

simply to see

[wanton fossil]

so, which staff is your fav?

[bronze sierra]

Just left click on dark missions and light up a room

[pine hearth]

bolter

[jade geode]

Surge is king of CC and utility, zapping guardsmen and stunning specials, as well as mopping up scattered remnants and covering allies.
Void is king of shredding hordes and tightly packed groups, and can headshot enemies in cover with careful aim, as well as stagger most others.

[elfin jacinth]

Void/Surge

[bronze sierra]

Void/purge

[bronze sierra]

But i see the utility lf each

[elfin jacinth]

Headshot? You mean the primary right?

[jade geode]

OOF.

[bronze sierra]

Except the trauma

[elfin jacinth]

Understandable since Voidstrike is just a boom stick with penetration

[jolly wasp]

not surprised by that chart, people using something doesnt mean its good. How many people have even cleared T4 lol

[worn canopy]

trauma staff sad

[bronze sierra]

That can get left on a spacehulk

[jolly wasp]

but yeah Trauma is undeniably bad

[glacial abyss]

spacehulk sequel

[rapid cypress]

Hehe lightning staff go brrr

[jade geode]

Nope! The charge/alt-fire has a slightly larger hitbox than it does collision box. So if you fire just past the edge of cover, you'll hit enemies in cover

[worn canopy]

cleared t4 yes

[elfin jacinth]

No the headshot part

[bronze sierra]

V gets it

[jade geode]

No? you can headshot with the altfire too

[worn canopy]

almost two hours remain

[elfin jacinth]

.... no shot

[wanton fossil]

did they say anything about resetting the progress?

[bronze sierra]

I have erased a dudes head with the secondary when they were fully behind cover

[worn canopy]

carried over

[elfin jacinth]

carried over

[glacial abyss]

wont be reset

[pine hearth]

afaik it is carying over

[wanton fossil]

good

[bronze sierra]

By skimmkng their head

[worn canopy]

cant wait for game to drop

[jade geode]

I don't speak zoomer shiz >~>
But yes, seriously.

[worn canopy]

surprise massive patch

[dim pier]

It actually can headshot, easy way to tell is if you have the quell on weak point hit

[worn canopy]

then chat goes silent

[pine iris]

I am rushing through what I have to get done today at work so I can hop in to play at launch

[worn canopy]

do you think we will get another staff

beam? bolt?

[bronze sierra]

I will have words of we end up resetting

[elfin jacinth]

Well hot damn

[glacial abyss]

drip staff

[bronze sierra]

Hear me out

Heal staff

[jade geode]

If you have an enemy like crouching behind cover, and you rip a charge shot just over the cover above their head, you'll hear the headpop crunch and kill em.

[worn canopy]

heal staff? how

[bronze sierra]

Biomancy secondsry

[elfin jacinth]

Game breaking

[glacial abyss]

beat me to it

[bronze sierra]

Heal up to a point

So like 25 hp would bring you to 100 peril

[elfin jacinth]

Or just healing toughness

[glacial abyss]

would have to be a separate class archetype to be honest

[jade geode]

NO. No healing. No way. Impossible to balance.
Now, a shielding staff... that Might be workable.

[glacial abyss]

instead of psykinetic

[dusty mirage]

if you go down from overheat while at low hp, its technically a healstaff.

[pine iris]

How fast can a strong darktide player level a psyker to 20?

[worn canopy]

toughness regen staff

as fast as you can not lose

[glacial abyss]

itll take a while

[elfin jacinth]

If you no life a single day

[bronze sierra]

OOH bubble shield

[glacial abyss]

max level is 30 btw

[jade geode]

"Any machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough"
Same energy 🤣

[bronze sierra]

Or

[noble trellis]

add a staff that just buffs the 3 other vets in your party

[glacial abyss]

lmaooo

[bronze sierra]

A staff that sihpons hp from you to them

[pine iris]

I no-lifed darktide over thanksgiving weekend. No regrets lol

[worn canopy]

staff that makes a fifth player join because psyker is in such a bad state

[elfin jacinth]

The way vets kill things so quickly feels like you might as well buff them

[worn canopy]

would save runs

[dusty mirage]

just spec into lowering team cooldowns, bam, your a support now

[jolly wasp]

I guess void is good if none of your other teammates can horde clear but if you have a half decent teammate esp with a bolter than wtf are you even trying to accomplish lol

[worn canopy]

yes already do

[elfin jacinth]

Anyone else feel like a lot of our talents are doo doo compared to other classes?

[bronze sierra]

Some are yeah

[elfin jacinth]

"You can quell AND walk AT THE SAME TIME"

[worn canopy]

we know yeah

[jade geode]

I see your point. But, counterpoint; Ammo, Vet is busy/down/separated.

[burnt rampart]

They're kinda here and there yeah

Ogryn has some issues too

[dusty mirage]

thats actually pretty nice

[bronze sierra]

Easy thing get a staff, invalidate that talent

[worn canopy]

ogryn at least gets some benefit

[elfin jacinth]

It should be inherit to the class imo

[pine iris]

As we get to really know maps I bet people will swap out loadouts tailored for them

[bronze sierra]

It does THE EXACT same thing

[worn canopy]

didnt even notice it.. i abuse slides and move techs to circumvent it

[jolly wasp]

Meh ammo isn't much of an issue, and if you need to deal with a horde... pull out your melee weapon. It's so easy to horde juggle in this it's crazy.

[worn canopy]

plus staffs yeah

[dusty mirage]

but we dont, so it's a movespeed buff, which is great since we lag behind normally.

[jade geode]

Ppl trshtalkin the quell while walking talent... take that with toughness regen on quell? you're actually really tanky in ranged engagements

[worn canopy]

ehhhh

[elfin jacinth]

yes, but this is a comparison to what other talents the other classes get

[bronze sierra]

I love that one v

[worn canopy]

gunner team t4 mission

oops no toughness

[jade geode]

I'm not a fan of many of the psykers talents, honestly. No argument there. But that one isn't bad.

[jolly wasp]

quiet is actually so insanely good, hold R to regen toughness whenever you want essentially

[bronze sierra]

I genuinely use it for regen from my void

[worn canopy]

though it is cool to walk entirely through fire quelling without taking any toughness damage

[dusty mirage]

Ogryn has to take a talent to get functional grenades... I'd say that tops the list

[worn canopy]

because it was bugged

[jade geode]

You get it.

[noble trellis]

mfw staff quell movement speed is just normal anyway

[pine iris]

I use this talent in public matches, keeps you at 0 peril AND up front enough to get early BBs in the next room

[worn canopy]

I found that i wasnt in enough situations to use it

[bronze sierra]

Sincw it quells in like 3 seconds

[jade geode]

ppl also overlooking that quelling manually DOESNT COST HEALTH ANYMORE like in VT

[bronze sierra]

From full

^

Real talk

[elfin jacinth]

VT != DT

[pine iris]

In pre-set teams I can get people to wait a couple beats while I quell between engagements and dont need the walking speed buff

[jade geode]

I know they're not the same game, but my point remains.

[bronze sierra]

Not to mention we can now bull things with the force push infinitely

Its just funny

[woven wigeon]

Oof, you're passing up one of Psyker's best feats if you go for the movespeed buff

[elfin jacinth]

I mean different game, different classes, the point is moot

[woven wigeon]

The ability to block with peril is so strong!

[elfin jacinth]

is it?

[glacial abyss]

yeah

use it with deflector

[woven wigeon]

You can hold off ragers

[woven wigeon]

Daemonhosts

[glacial abyss]

its pretty damn good

[woven wigeon]

It's silly stuff

[glacial abyss]

deflector and peril block

[worn canopy]

yes

[eager wolf]

It’s good on higher level difficulty yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Do we happen to think we will get a power sword that works like the fire sword in vt2?

[glacial abyss]

with a force sword

[woven wigeon]

Like, probably overtuned and needs a nerf lol

[bronze sierra]

Isnt that also the kne where you can have auto BB at leadt isnt that the column?

[jolly wasp]

yeah deflector + peril block is nutty

[worn canopy]

good