psyker-class

[mild lotus]

Of course we can't brain burst you, you are credit to this team.

[torn dawn]

me protect u lil'un

[devout axle]

The cost is no issue. The issue for me is charge time to damage dealt.

[dark snow]

Being able to oneshot specials and Ragers on higher levels would be nice considering how many they throw at you.

[dim pier]

Not even one shotting the pox bursters on heresy with no WC stacks hurts me

[dark snow]

Head poping does leave you slowed and defenceless for a good amount of time.

[primal aurora]

Personally I think Force charges should have been implemented differently. Make it an alternative to grenades, so you would getting these slower and in controlled manner, but in addition to passive boost you would be able to supercharge your staff attacks or do much faster and stronger brain burst by consuming a charge, while blocking gaining new charges for few seconds for balance.

[devout axle]

For 3 seconds. By the end of which, whatever you were trying to pop is probably already dead 3x over.

[regal raft]

So we agree the cost is no issue, as I thought. I don’t even think the charge time is an issue either, it should be the charge time it is to encourage knowing how to position, however you brainburst after the 45% cost and 4 second uninterrupted charge need to actually produce effects of actually harming the target.

[dark snow]

Yeah i would just add a way to up the damage or the charge rate

[burnt python]

warp charges being a consumable, instead of a stackable buff, would be great imo

[ebon jolt]

#1 Add a separate keybinding specifically for quelling peril.

#2 Add a feature to allow for separate keybinding profiles for each class

[trim yacht]

That or allow for adding secondary buttons for keybinding. So reloading can be R and something else

[regal raft]

I don’t think we should change the charge rate also due to it invalidating the buffs cussed by that one level 30 talent that increases charge speed and reduces costs of brain burst significantly. And then they would have to balance everything further around the idea of that talents existence and that’s one of the few talents that actually can synergize with the rest of the class talents.

[primal aurora]

Actually both. You would be able to choose to either utilise reduced peril cost and bigger damage OR spend charges to deal with a dicey situation for fast BB on a specialist.

[devout axle]

Brainburst charges for 3 seconds to deal 1000 damage at the end of it. That's 333 damage per second, which you can do more by just left clicking with almost any ranged weapon. The only time Brainburst really shines it taking out snipers from a mile away in very open maps like Consignment Yard's finale, or helping pop gunners or chip down a Reaper without leaving cover.

[burnt python]

Yeah, that would be cool. Maintain charges for a melee/staff focus setup or spend them to utilize bb better. Unfortunately I think that would involve too much of a rework on the systems in place to be a viable option

[regal raft]

Yup, exactly my point.

Sucks when the enemy has so much resistance that you can just put dps your brainburst with a normal gun.

[dark snow]

Thats a good point, I agree.

[ornate hamlet]

you guys taking 30% toughness on Warp Charge or 10% per kill on the first perk?

[dim pier]

Depends on build

[burnt python]

quelling one

[regal raft]

Depends on the build but usually 10% per kill with my current one

[dark snow]

I use them all

[regal raft]

BRB laundry

[devout axle]

Toughness on Warp Kill for most builds. Toughness on Warp Charge if I'm feeling like reminding myself why I hate the Purgatus staff.

[dim pier]

Voidstrike, 10% on kill. Purgatus/soulblaze build, 30% on warp charge. Surge, quell. (For my builds not just generally speaking)

[ornate hamlet]

thanks for input guys

[trim yacht]

That. All that

[burnt python]

toughness on quelling triggers from battle meditation, ult, manual quell, passive quell, & voidstrike quell on hs trait

its very good

[vivid yoke]

I like the venting for toughness, because it's good for flaming hordes, and also good when using brain burst alot

[dark snow]

Yep, seems like the worst but after playing a while I like it the most.

[trim yacht]

Really? I thought it was just from manual quell

[vivid yoke]

it's like always value, but you don't always get the chance brain burst, or warp attack en masse, so I figure why not just have basically a manual toughness recharge

[burnt python]

pretty sure it triggers on any effect that reduces your peril

[devout axle]

Might just be bad rng, but I've never really noticed a differnce when using the Toughness on Quell. Where-as the Toughness on Warp Kill, I get to watch my Toughness go from 0 to 100 instantly after blasting a wave of Poxwalkers.

[dark snow]

Depends on the staff too, Void would be better fore 10% Surge seems better with quell.

[vivid yoke]

I've got toughness on quell and peril instead of stam for blocking, also my force sword can block ranged so I can actually very easily gain toughness that way

[dark snow]

Same here

[regal raft]

Because it is just RnG, you’re correct. Back to the same only gambling on efficiency problem.

[fleet dock]

i have foreseen da emperor's mother naked

wit my mind

[ebon jolt]

I like toughness on quell when holding block on the power sword to regain toughness while blocking from passive quelling.

[deft tusk]

Oh yeah, your F is with that feat the out of jail card on lower difficulties

[burnt python]

it is partially RNG but you can also just ult or manual quell for guarunteed returns. I use it w/ void - the biggest benefit is gaining toughness during tough single target encounters like monstrosities, assassin targets, or just a rager that got up in your shit

[deft tusk]

Special your sword twice, kill some specials with it and F to get toughness

[vivid yoke]

also I haven't paid enough attention, does the Psyker ability have a stronger stagger if you are high peril?

[dark snow]

Nope, a slight increase in damage but thats all

[burnt python]

it does damage?!

[vivid yoke]

wait I didn't even realise it did damage

[regal raft]

It’s barely noticeable

Like a non factor

[vivid yoke]

makes sense

[ruby karma]

I wish the knockback on it was better

[dark snow]

Force weapon attacks yes, force push no

[vivid yoke]

I mean why shouldn't it scale with warp charges or peril??

[devout axle]

I don't think it's supposed to, but experience bias tells me that it does because it's the only way I can rationalize why my ult sometimes pushes things a mile away, and sometimes is like a gust of wind pushing only a few enemies a foot back.

[vivid yoke]

Yeah it seems v hit and miss, but it might also be that enemies are more resistant to stagger each higher difficulty?

[dark snow]

If enemiees are already staggered it seems to work better

[devout axle]

Which makes sense, since 'stagger' is a stacking status affect in Vermintide.

[regal raft]

It might be from warp charge stacks, it’s always hard knockdowned the enemy for me, but I only ever use it when I have 3 to 4 charges

[ebon jolt]

I believe it causes 1 stack of soulburn using the middle lvl 30 feat even when you have no warp charges.

[burnt python]

huh so that would make the infested type enemies resistant to the ult

[regal raft]

We should test this tomorrow

[devout axle]

It also definitely has a stronger stagger effect on enemies closer to you.

[burnt python]

unyielding type rather

[dark snow]

Yeah im excited to see what the have changed and start testing

[vivid yoke]

bombers are the thing I can't figure out, sometimes you can shove them back when they are diving to explode, and very rarely have I staggered its run animation

[weak galleon]

I really hope they'll take the path of buffing other classes instead of nerfing vet into the ground.

so far it's been mostly nerfs.

[burnt python]

you guys expecting balancing changes tomorrow? I would guess they are too busy just trying to implement content

[dark snow]

We can only hope

[dim pier]

I think I got their stagger with the force sword off consistently by getting point blank to them? But there's no easy way to test that.

[regal raft]

I agree, no reason to take away vets fun when they can just make the other classes fun

[trim yacht]

What staff has everyone been using? I've been using the voidstrike staff because it feels like it is just miles better than the other ones, but I kinda wish the other ones felt as powerful.

[shy yoke]

force sword can reliably push them away mid jump

[vivid yoke]

I almost feel like the brain burst should do %maxhp damage to everything but monstrosities, because even on Heresy brain burst feels pretty lacking to me

when a vet can just double tap something in the head

[dim pier]

All 3 except trauma

[regal raft]

Depends on the build

But yeah, all of them

[feral void]

@trim yacht I've tried every staff and like the fire staff the most, but I like them all in their own way except trauma

[weak galleon]

Voidstrike for fun.
Surge for tight teamwork on high difficulty before endless horde bug, and a bit of fun.
Flamer for memeing and some fun, but voidstrike is just better.
Trauma is trash.

[devout axle]

Bursters are easier to shove during their diving animation because they are actually closer than they appear during it. But some weapons are kinda finicky when pushing them. I can push Bursters very consistently with a dueling sword. Or with a shovel on my Veteran. But the Force Sword push, which is supposed to have a stronger push than both of those weapons, sometimes just "misses" them.

[vivid yoke]

that nerf from 5 metres to 3.5 on the force sword shove really made it rough huh?

[sour coral]

Dogs too, easy to push them dont wait till its too close.

[dark snow]

Surge for the most part stunning elites and specials in pricless in higher difficulties

[feral void]

I feel that psyker is the best class to bring wave control to a team. Reason being that I can bring fire staff, but I can still deal with urgent long range threats with brain pop.

If a templar brings flame thrower, there is literally nothing they can do about a sniper.

[trim yacht]

The purgatus one? I loved it's counterpart in Vermintide, but it just feels so weak here. Am I doing something wrong? I just feel like voidstrike can kill instantaneously while Purgatus takes a hot minute

[bold maple]

I just press F to push them, not risking anything with those fuckers

[devout axle]

Also
Reposting this since its been a few hours
https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWDaV43gA

[feral void]

Yeah Firemac. the fire staff brings really good horde control to your team

[long wharf]

it can also stagger the weaker enemies with the primary attack

[weak galleon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Darktide's flamer staff doesnt' stagger like Vermintide's one.
helluva risky to use.

[long wharf]

but it doesn't kill as quick as the void staff

[bold maple]

you need to remember that anything it touches for 3 seconds are confirmed to be dead and immediately staggered

even if it doesnt kill, those burning horde are basically dead

[trim yacht]

I'll have to give it another try. Thanks

[vivid yoke]

my staff's damage and burn bars are just above like 80%

so it actually minces hordes hard

[trim yacht]

Got it. Makes enough sense

[celest hedge]

the flame staff is easily psyker's best crowd killing option, which is something their kit lacks

[empty granite]

What's the rarity and item level?

[bold maple]

people see mobs still alive after being burned and freak out but they're not a factor in the fight anymore

basically dead anyway

[long wharf]

no, they're still a threat until dead

[vivid yoke]

like anything that doesn't die to burn is usually just one light attack from death

[long wharf]

soulblaze doesn't kill quickly as a DoT

[bold maple]

they would be after they get up from being staggered

[weak galleon]

this. The staff doesn't stagger like VT2 does.

[celest hedge]

burning mobs are killable with a single swing from anything, which means that your flames soften them up enough for your teammates to kill them in a single swing so they can cut through hordes fast while regenning toughness easily

[weak galleon]

But Voidstrike does that too? ^

[feral void]

My staff definitely staggers lol

[ebon jolt]

Only change I really want to see to the fire staff is to allow it to crit.

[vivid yoke]

I think it does stagger but its not instant

[burnt python]

hard to resist shitting on purge rn but this conversation has been had so many times today lol

[bold maple]

?????? they literally stagger right as the flame hit the mob

[burnt python]

void >>

[celest hedge]

by itself the flamestaff does good horde clearing, but it shines way more with someone in front of you smacking the horde

[feral void]

If i charge my fire staff at a pack of mobs they arent moving at all

[vivid yoke]

also vtide's one had a flat burn application, not stacking I'm almost certain

so the fire staff in this is acually useful against bosses and elites too

[feral void]

I like void staff as well, but the fire staff honestly seems busted at least in my runs.

To be fair im only level 20 and doing Heresy, idk if it stops staggering on Damnation

[devout axle]

Burns stacked in Vermintide as well. They were also just generally better.

[bold maple]

I swear people who shit on flame staff being bad isn't playing the same game as the rest of us lmao

[empty granite]

In meat grinder, the steam of fire from the Purgatus staff slowly pushes them backwards.

[bold maple]

flame staff fucks in heresy

[celest hedge]

terrifying barrage I think would be great on a flamestaff for CC on top of the horde clear

[weak galleon]

Okay need to retest, but I've been hit by trash mob that were running through the flame. And it wasn't even damnation.

[vivid yoke]

really? I swear at most I saw like a double stack, but the Purgatus can stack up to like 10+ stacks

[long wharf]

you do understand that there's a difference between recognizing the purge staff's limitations and shitting on it, yes?

it's possible to have a nuanced understanding and express that without just being negative

[glacial abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589796596749828117/973270735437058068/unknown-2-3.gif

who cares

[weak galleon]

DoTs stack as much as you can put them on target in VT2.
it's just that DoTs are much stronger than in DTide, but most things will only tick 2-3 times, or sometimes 1.

[glacial abyss]

guys lets be real!

[bold maple]

you're just bad at the game m8

[stuck bridge]

hello fellow coping psykers

[weak galleon]

• Famished Flames existed. best BW talent.

[devout axle]

This. I, for one, hate the purgatus staff. But I can also acknowledge its uses beyond the things I hate about it.

[glacial abyss]

John Darktide

[long wharf]

I love the staff, I'm just disappointed that soulblaze is such garbage as a DoT

[stuck bridge]

my hands are shaking from not playing darktide for 8 hours

[weak galleon]

I don't think anyone shitting on it here. Unlike Trauma.
It does have it's uses for hyperdensities, but I need to double check the stagger to be sure.
+Soulblaze is by no means comparable to Sienna DoT's rn.

[long wharf]

I'm trying really hard to build a perfect purge staff

[ebon jolt]

I think one of the issues is that all of the soulblaze feats are pretty bad.

[feral void]

At least for me the fire staff has never failed to completely stop an infinite amount of non-elites the moment I point it at them

[long wharf]

this entirely

[feral void]

and it even staggers elites sometimes

[stuck bridge]

most things on psyker right now feels pretty bad

[celest hedge]

I want to like trauma since it was one of the staves from verm 2 that I like, but it just doesn't seem great at it's job to me

[weak galleon]

I love Conflagration staff. I hate Trauma.

[devout axle]

That one Trauma Staff lover is crying rn.

[long wharf]

I find the trauma staff clumsy to use effectively repeatedly

[feral void]

If you tried the fire staff with a low burn stat, that might be why you havent had luck with the stagger

[vivid yoke]

the charge attack range is so limp

[celest hedge]

wrack and ruin didn't feel good to use, the range on it felt bad and people kept stealing kills

[stuck bridge]

this is exactly how i thought it would be

[dim pier]

Heck that one no staff pleb >:(

[ornate hamlet]

How would trauma staff be put in a good place?

[vivid yoke]

like legit just make it's range a little bigger haha

[ornate hamlet]

It doesn’t have enough “pizazz” that I’d thought that warp staves would have lol

[long wharf]

yes, the feat should be that enemies that die with the soulblaze active on them have a X% chance to generate a warp charge for you

[feral void]

I am surprised how many like surge staff. It feels super OP at CCing elites, but I feel completely helpless when I am using one (damage wise).

Feel completely reliant on people targetting mobs that I am stunning.

[stuck bridge]

i saw a good suggestion for the trauma staff earlier today, and it's to make the secondary fire also drag units into it a little bit

[long wharf]

so that you can synergize with the team instead of fighting for kills

[stuck bridge]

so pull things in then explode them

[weak galleon]

It lacks almost everything.
Like - peril cost, AoE, damage outside of ground zero.

[stuck bridge]

kinda cool

[celest hedge]

i feel like the trauma staff was decent at hitting a big group but I felt like the fall off of hte explsoion felt weak and didn't kill much

[vivid yoke]

like a big aoe force sword shove attack?

not that it really pulls but kind of

[celest hedge]

which is kind of what I feel with the grenades on sharp shooter

[stuck bridge]

like when you're casting the AOE it pulls enemies in when it explodes

[feral void]

what if they let you draw the trauma staff AoE shape on the ground as you charge it?

Like a paintbrush for the couple seconds its charging

[ebon jolt]

Trauma staff feels super wonky to aim and use. Aiming down vertically is fine. Aiming on the same level is okay. Aiming up is terrible.

[stuck bridge]

i just want the fucking surge staff to do damage, fuck this CC bullshit

[celest hedge]

it looks like the trauma staff is hitting a big range but not much really dies from it

[ebon jolt]

I think the surge staff can be pretty wonky too. Sometimes you can't aim vertically at all even if you're in range.

[devout axle]

That's how I feel about Purgatus staff.

[weak galleon]

I suppose BW mains like me would also unintentionally try to compare Psyker's kit to Battle Wizard's kit.
and... ugh.

[devout axle]

I just want things to die when I set them on fire.

[vivid yoke]

the surge staff feels incredible on t3 but when I used it on t4 it doesn't kill anything fast enough, the Flame staff feels meh on t3 because tehre isn't enough shit to kill

[feral void]

Honestly that is why I like fire staff. I feel like I CC almost as much as the surge staff but I can still do damage. I just let the veterans handle the elites or I help with brain pop

[celest hedge]

I would rather have the coruscation staff

[stuck bridge]

we all do pal

[ebon jolt]

I think the purgatus and voidstaff are my favorites because they feel good to use. (Regardless of the damage.)

[feral void]

fire staff allows you to be so versatile and brain pop a ton too because of the low peral cost

[long wharf]

the surge staff isn't for killing on heresy+

[weak galleon]

Stunning bunch of berserkers so your zealot/ogryn/vet can safely grind them into dust is pretty important on high diff.

[stuck bridge]

it's kinda sad that it's almost universally agreed upon that BB sucks and our staves (which also kinda suck) are the biggest point of contention

[celest hedge]

I didn't use the voidstaff too much before I finally unlocked the purge one but it felt nice to use

[stuck bridge]

i literally saw some dude post his BB build this morning and he was ripped apart lmfao

[devout axle]

We have to cope about something because our core ability sucks.

[feral void]

BB felt amazing until it stopped 1 shotting certain specials, then it honestly felt kind of useless

[celest hedge]

and I felt like it was a much better option for killing groups than trauma too

[weak galleon]

Coru staff best staff.
Beam would work pretty well.
Somebody here also really wanted a bolt.

Instead we have BB and... guns.

[vivid yoke]

I can understand that but idk, it's pretty unreliable, no? since beyond the first target it just jumps randomly?

[celest hedge]

i liked the idea of the beam stuff even if I didn't like it in practice, but then again I liked playing sienna the least in verm 2

psyker feels much nicer to play and I don't have to worry about being close range only with the flamestaff because I have BB

[stuck bridge]

this is the "Psyker Psykhanium Copium" channel after all

[weak galleon]

it could use a couple more max targets, yes. (without further reducing it's damage with target count increase)

[young garnet]

all the staffs CC's and do great dmg. surge staff only does CC

[devout axle]

Besides, its better than the people before who were telling me that "You're just bad at the game" and "You just don't know how to play the class" because I pointed out that Brain Burst is bad.

[regal raft]

The real problems with surge is that the it requires you to full charge the staff twice to apply discharge stacks onto enemies at maximum for it to proc its burst effect, and for that to work it requires you getting lucky and hitting the same enemy twice with a cast that has a maximum cap of like 6 to 9 enemies at a single time and you can’t even control which ones are hit.

On top of that this means the staff is so bad at its intended purpose that people have to get around all its failing like the enemy mob cap by spamming light uncharged casts of smite in order to jsut CC the enemy at the cost of not doing damage, not applying full discharge stacks, not procing burst, and much more, including having to stand there and stall enemies killing you while they pile up until your Allie’s can come walk over and save you.

The easiest fixes, which Fatshark already are aware of, so to increase the amount of enemies that are able to be hit by the lightning based on charge amount, and increase the speed at which discharge stacks increase on enemies who are hit by a fully charged staff while giving an extremely minor nerf to how many enemies can be hit, and the stagger levels of an uncharged attack.

This then buffs the staff tremendously so you’re able to actually use it as intended without sacrificing so much about it jsut to some alternative attack method in order to be viable, and makes it so traits and perks you find for said weapon and talents in the class talent tree synergize better with the staff sicne it performs as intended.

[stuck bridge]

how would you feel about it having a chance to continue chaining?

past the 5 targets

[regal raft]

Thank you for attending my Ted talk.

[long wharf]

what burst effect?

[vivid yoke]

I probably just wasn't using it well enough but I kept getting overwhelmed on t4 which made swap to flame staff and I haven't really used another ranged weapon since

[weak galleon]

wasn't T4 bugged with constant endless hordes? or was it fixed?

[stuck bridge]

you try the voidstrike staff?

[vivid yoke]

oh yeah it was lol

I haven't because my dogshit pc barely runs this game on config file-all absolute min settings

[weak galleon]

Surge is no good on endless hordes, you want some heavy aoe hitter there. Imho.

[vivid yoke]

and projectiles seem to be affecting by stuttering

[stuck bridge]

im gonna say, probably dont use Surge staff on 4+ tbh

[vivid yoke]

affected*

[stuck bridge]

4+ usually has too many enemies and you'll just be dragged into using your sword

[weak galleon]

Surge was godlike on "Less enemies" modifier on high difficulties.

well, "godlike" compared to all other options.

[vivid yoke]

yeah that's what it was, when there were lesser horde maps for that 1 day

I was running around like I AM THE SENATE

and felt like a god

[stuck bridge]

CCing elites isnt not useful, just elites usually get munched up by veterans that are paying close attention anyway

[regal raft]

Once you apply full discharge stacks you get a mass move proc of damage layman called the “Burst” it’s when all those little low damage discharge dots hit max stack and just do one big damage number

[long wharf]

what burst effect are you talking about?

huh.

[regal raft]

Try it out in meat grinder tomorrow

[long wharf]

never noticed that

yeah, I will

[celest hedge]

i think if you use the surge staff against a target all the way, you do big damage

[regal raft]

It’s actually the second best damage under voidstaff

[ornate hamlet]

Man, imagine playing Psyker and NOT picking the best staff in the game

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[celest hedge]

but the few times i used it I kind of played a bit like the flamestaff where I stop part way to charge another hit to chain stun, or someone else killed the target since I treat it a bit more supportive

i was just happy to stop charging mutants

[bold maple]

I'll pick it when they let it spreads lightning to 10+ targets

or make the lightning graphic more fancy

[regal raft]

They will, no worries

[vivid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/yennefer-gif-19550175

[stuck bridge]

dude i want to, just let make it look nicer, hit more targets, and actually kill enemies

[sour coral]

It is if only elites are available to target. The issue is chaff can take up one of the targets it can hit and that's the problem because elites in hordes are effectively protected.

[stuck bridge]

i said it earlier i JUST want to KILL enemies with lightning

[celest hedge]

the lightning of the surge staff does feel kind of weak

[trim yacht]

Glad to hear that Fatshark are working on that. I honestly liked the Surge staff most, but (to me) it just felt like Voidstrike was stronger. Especially at procing the %10 toughness on kill bit

[bold maple]

the lightning effect looks shit ngl

if it looks like papa palpatine's then I wouldnt complain

[regal raft]

Good thinking, and with that in consideration let’s hope they make it so it prioritizes elites first

[stuck bridge]

they gave a lot of love to the lasgun lasers

where's my lightning love

though i do like that the enemies are burned when they get hit by it that's a neat detail

[vivid yoke]

it should almost prioritise carapace armour, since it's like metal... and u shoot lightning...

[regal raft]

It’s inevitable, but I’m curious how long it will take the changes, they have so much on their plate I am going to put my money on a month from now

[regal raft]

That would be dope, yeah

[weak galleon]

were there any changes/news regarding entire Warp Charge mechanic? Or no response at all?
like, having to dedicate 2 talents in the tree to WC farming kinda sucks. And then third for no slowdown on quelling peril purely for QoL.

[long wharf]

FS hasn't said anything about Psyker changes

[regal raft]

I have no idea tbh, I haven’t read anything that suggest warp changes

[ornate hamlet]

Are any of the dueling sabers worth consideration?

[weak galleon]

Hope they'll get there eventually.

[regal raft]

Yeah

[long wharf]

me too, sibling, me too

[vivid yoke]

we just need some kind of powerscore scaling on brain burst or something

[long wharf]

except you don't use any gear for BB

[devout axle]

tbf, they haven't really said anything about balancing changes at all. But they will need to make them eventually, or people will get bored of seeing Bolters and Power Swords every game.

[stuck bridge]

power scaling on BB wouldnt be too practical. they need to edit the feats to make BB more viable - for example a feat that causes BB to AOE after using your Wrath

[devout axle]

They are focused on trying to get the servers as stable as possible atm, which is better to prioritize.

[regal raft]

Yeah, even just increasing it’s individual damage or reducing enemy resistance to it wouldn’t be surgical enough, it would jsut cause problems later with balancing. They have to do it the way you said

[stuck bridge]

or making it so that BB gets faster the higher perils/warp charges you have

[regal raft]

This

[ornate hamlet]

Petition to make a Psyker voice say "Witness your doom!"

[keen meteor]

I mean even just a buff in each mode. Since the damage is fairly fixed and only modified by a few factors.

[long wharf]

I'd like for warp charges to provide a charge speed boost to BB

[stuck bridge]

it would feel a lot better

[vivid yoke]

well like zealot scales hard off weapons because of all it's melee power stuff right? And Psyker scales off weapons because of its ult right?

[devout halo]

I hope the really under powered and completely useless trauma staff gets buffed

[stuck bridge]

silence trauma staff nerd

[regal raft]

The most we get on balancing is a “we hear you” statement where they acknowledge there’s a frustration or problem, not really a confirmation of when or what or how, yeah.

[vivid yoke]

but psyker is like u farm warp charges and play a whole side minigame for 12 or 18% extra damage

[devout halo]

lol

[ebon jolt]

Would it be too OP to have BB deal a % of enemy health consistent across difficulties? It feels bad that it does the same amount of damage throughout the game while weapons keep getting more powerful. The T3 -> T4 transition was pretty rough.

[long wharf]

yeah, +3% damage per warp charge is pathetic

[stuck bridge]

no, considering some guns can let you one shot enemies on veterans

[vivid yoke]

as long as it didn't apply on monstros, it would be fine tbh

[regal raft]

Increase its radius by at least twice the size at max charge, let it knock over elites, but not ogryns. Boom, fixed

[stuck bridge]

oh yeah, explain to me why our Wrath can't stagger charging mutants Fatshark

what the fuck

[devout halo]

nty, knocking over ogryns is great

[bold maple]

Make BB instant when under critical peril

[vivid yoke]

mutants just don't give a fuck ll

[bold maple]

when you have no peril just snap your fingers twice and delete a mauler

[stuck bridge]

also a cool idea

has anyone here gotten the boss penance yet?

it's my last one

[weak galleon]

didn't bother with it yet

[devout axle]

Reduce charge time by 1 second. Allow me to pre-charge it and keep that charge until I use it, like the Skullsplitter & Blessed Tome special from Vermintide 2.

[vivid yoke]

haven't had a full 4 man and the spare 20 mins

[stuck bridge]

im not looking forward to doing it

[ebon jolt]

I could get behind warp charges scaling staff effects.

• Burns apply faster or longer range
• Stun lasts longer or more chain targets
• Voidstrike larger blast radius
• Trauma gains a bigger targeting radius

[vivid yoke]

you know I think unless it's a plague ogryn, it's not worth doing haha

you would be trying to brain burst a beast for so long

[weak galleon]

WC economy needs to change first. So you are not railroaded into picking WC farming talents if you want to rely on WC for your talents/weapons that use them.

[vivid yoke]

they could almost just change the tree to specialise in say brain burst build, ability build, or weapons build

so you can fill weak spots in your overall build, or just hard commit to one thing

[weak galleon]

that would be really nice to have vs what we have now.

[safe spear]

you talking about the kill a monster solo? I hear a daemonhost is the best to do it on. just get an ogryn with a shield to tank it infinitely

[vivid yoke]

wait the demonhost counts as a monster???

[keen meteor]

Yes

[safe spear]

for that achievement yeah

and in general

[devout axle]

Anything with a health bar counts as a monster.

[bold maple]

we have health bar tho

are we the baddies hans

[weak galleon]

reading through ogryn's/zealot's/vet's perks gave me alot of questions after bringing my psyker to 30.
with psyker I feel like I can delete half of them and nothing will really change.

[keen meteor]

I daresay you could do it with the boss from the Assassination too.

Because he advances the Monstrosity Kills too.

[devout axle]

And I am a fucking monster. That's why the Imperium keeps me close.

[toxic pecan]

That's because Psyker is a broken mess. They made last minute changes and didn't fix the Feats to compensate

[frail geyser]

it feels underbaked a bit yea

[vivid yoke]

Hopefully someone close to psyker development will read this channel and find some ideas they can make work

[pale pilot]

in that case, do we know who a daemonhost aggros onto? becasue a slabshield special ogryn is probably invulnerable to it, which would let the psyker brain at it.

[stoic wave]

what voices do you enjoy the most for a psyker?

[ornate hamlet]

I like female Seer

[vivid yoke]

kinda sadge there was no real edgy dark one, they're all a bit happy

[ornate hamlet]

Gives me Auntie Sienna vibes lol

[frail geyser]

they will likely just overtune what we have now then make bigger changes later

[devout axle]

It targets the person who activated it first. The second target seems to be random.

[toxic pecan]

Every time I encounter it, the thing seemed magnetized to whoever was closest when it aggroed

[dim pier]

Male savant, he sounds the most levelheaded to me. Which isn't really saying much

[ornate hamlet]

Is surge staff the only viable option for damnation?

[bold maple]

male savant is too edgy

[ornate hamlet]

She's super playful when she isn't fighting but she's super vicious when slaying heretics

[stoic wave]

ok

[signal turret]

Savant for the voice, Loner for the spicy takes

[devout axle]

The Daemonhost functions sort of like the Witch from L4D. The person who woke it up is the person it locks onto.

[ornate hamlet]

So funny how they just don't execute Loner on the spot for what they say

[stoic wave]

spicy takes?

[regal raft]

Nope

[ornate hamlet]

"Corpse-Emperor" GASP

[signal turret]

Only if you consider yourself part of the enlightened of your siblings

[stoic wave]

dear emperor the horror

[ornate hamlet]

It's objectively the most useful but wondering if people have made void work

[spark flower]

i dont wanna derail the conversation but I was wondering if there a level 5 feat thats accepted as the best? I was using the 10% toughess regen on warp kill because it seemed to trigger with my staff attacks.

[long wharf]

void 100% works

[frail geyser]

peril on headshot is v good blessing for void

[signal turret]

The times I've been matched up with a Void user in heresy I felt like I was carrying them

[frail geyser]

just have to roll one

[signal turret]

I will now hide from the impending shitstorm

[long wharf]

people pick based on what staff they're using

[pale pilot]

okay so the ogryn gets close and slabshields it into place and the psyker spends like thirty seconds spamming brain burst to kill it

[devout axle]

A classic.

[regal raft]

Void is very good, it’s in a category the others have no competition in anyways sicne to does something completely unique.

Voids problem is that there are no good class talents that synergize with it.

[weak galleon]

I was using 2 and 3 before I switched to toughness regen on warp stacks.
Then again, I'm runing both warp stack farming talents - 4% chance to get one on team's kill, and 10% chance to apply BB on hit.

[spark flower]

I noticed the flame staff wasnt triggering that effect, so do people use warp charge regen or the regen on cooling down?

[long wharf]

other than toughness on warp kill

[ornate hamlet]

flame staff is ass needs some more range or something

[dim pier]

With purgatus, definitely toughness on warp charge gain

[regal raft]

Or the 5 to 15%\ force weapon dmg.

[long wharf]

definitely that as well

[devout axle]

Most people seem to feel Void works very well.

[toxic pecan]

I dislike every one of them except female seer. Random french people and even more zany random high pitched german guy all got tiresome very very fast and the pretentious dialogue on some of them is grating.

Old lady seer is kind to everyone mostly and has some tragic lines. But most importantly she is like grandma nice to Ogryn

[ornate hamlet]

void is more fun and works but surge probably has more positive impact on wr%

[spark flower]

thanks for the help folks, also I agree the void staff is awesome. its absolutely brutal too. it leaves enemies just broken in pieces, sometimes just a torso with a leg attached and blood everywhere

[regal raft]

I didn’t vote but if I did I would choose void aswell.

[vivid yoke]

Also does anyone else lowkey feel like the melee attack on staves should apply a status to do with their element? Like the Purgatus should apply a burn stack or 2 per melee hit, the surge should mini stun enemies hit?

[devout axle]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWDaV43gA

[regal raft]

Let’s see if it works on phone

[spark flower]

would be cool, also the range felt lacking, it didnt feel like i was swinging a long stick around

[ornate hamlet]

I much prefer using void but I feel the void (heh) of not using surge

[frail geyser]

take it off and make staff special brain burst

[vivid yoke]

or, yeah even just having a whole new attack as a special on every staff

[frail geyser]

then have that bb not slow you while charging and benefit from weps charge speed and resistance

[vivid yoke]

because let's be honest, you're probs gonna press q and just melee

[spark flower]

yeah every time i used the staff melee was for novelty factor ,like theres one last poxwalker left and i wanna smack him around a little

[ornate hamlet]

also anyone else bothered with the mandatory 25 second maintenance buff on this class?

[frail geyser]

its faster to switch and swing

[devout axle]

Mandatory? I just ignore it majority of the time.

[vivid yoke]

yeah, staves definitely don't need a shitty melee attack

[weak galleon]

None.
One of pure southern accent, didn't click with me.
One is a madman communicating, probably, with a demon of some kind. Would be glad if I were wrong, but it reminds me of "Blood for the Emperor".
One likes to complain too much and feels too superior to others.

picked last one, since at least it's "fixable" via character growth or smth, inrp.

[vivid yoke]

'look at the object that channels my immense power... i will bop you with it'

[signal turret]

No way to parse what difficulty those Psykers play on tho

[spark flower]

you mean having to maintain warp charges? kind of a hassle tbh, its why i wanna try out that talent that can makes it pop automatically when you or friends in coherency get a kill

[ornate hamlet]

The impact is massive on damnation

[regal raft]

What bothers me isn’t the 25 seconds, it’s that it removes all your charges after it ends instead of 1 or 2 at a time

[spark flower]

I would be really happy with just that change

[ornate hamlet]

Makes you headpop most specials in one fewer cast of head pop

[toxic pecan]

Anyone else got the voice line that goes "My Beloved says He never meant for things to turn out this way. That He may have made a mistake." ? I only heard it once over all the time I played Psyker

[signal turret]

I don't head pop things that dont die to 1 head pop in all difficulties

[devout axle]

You are correct. But the poll was more started to see what staff people preferred, as opposed to what was objectively the 'best'

[ornate hamlet]

They need to do something about it. It makes psyker such a hassle to play.

[vivid yoke]

other classes playing Darktide, Pysker playing minigames

[spark flower]

what are the odds that the release patch will come with class changes?

[regal raft]

I agree, it doesn’t feel good, and that’s reason enough to change it a little. Nothing worse then walking for 40 seconds to the next area and losing all your charges from waiting for the door to open after objective. Then to walk over sever scaffoldings, only to go down a corridor with 3 enemies your Allie’s insta kill, then to get to next fight and all your charges are gone from walking and waiting.

[toxic pecan]

We can only hope.

[spark flower]

the charges either need to last longer, or need to go down 1 stack at a time, or both

[polar gulch]

Magic 8-ball said "most likely"

[neat axle]

Wonder if Psyker will get any more Staffs on release

[ornate hamlet]

Don't hold your breath

[devout axle]

I remember hearing that one. I don't use that personality, but funnily, a lot of the lines from it seem to subtly imply that the 'Beloved' its talking about is actually Nurgle.

[ornate hamlet]

wasnt there a trait in the skill tree in the closed beta that only 1 charges gets removed?

[frail geyser]

itll just be more vt staffs

[dim pier]

No? Do you remember which column it was in

[spark flower]

yep, what are we missing, a bolt staff and a coruscation?

[frail geyser]

beam 2

[toxic pecan]

It's strongly implied to be a shard of the Emperor

[spark flower]

oh yeah true

[ornate hamlet]

i could have sworn i saw that mybe just the early morning fantasy

and i would say 2 or 3 but prob just hallucinating

[dim pier]

The only one I know of that changed in 2 was 10% peril resist but -10% quell speed per warp charge to just +6% peril resist per WC stack

[spark flower]

regarding the shock staff, should i always charge it up all the way or nah, not sure how to use it properly

[bold maple]

nah just spam that bitch

[ornate hamlet]

i thought i saw one in the closed beta which said only removes 1 charges at a time instead of all

What do you guys think if brain burst was more powerful but had a cooldown, or was more intense on peril?

[regal raft]

On release? Super unlikely, later down next year? Absolutely.

There’s a psychool of psy science in the tabletop called Biomancy, which btw Big E is canonically the most proficient expert and master of in the entire universe, Smite which is the lightning power comes from Biomancy school, but there’s another power called Shape Flesh which could be used to make some target spasms out as you channel a beam into them before making them explode and kill everything else around them.

[young garnet]

the psyker plays very differently in 1-3 compared to 4-5. in 1-3 you get charges based on BB but in 4-5 you get charges off your feats with BB only being used for certain specials and elites. hard to unlearn (guilty myself) but easy to mantain once you figure it out

[spark flower]

i see people spamming it, does it reduce the dmg done or number of targets hit

[safe spear]

Any of you guys play on Heresy/Damnation? Do you guys think Psyker is a viable class or do you think its the worst of the 4

[ornate hamlet]

I charge all the way if I'm trying to kill a few shooters or something and no one else is around. Otherwise spam and let team kill

[safe spear]

I only play zealot so idk

[neat axle]

Turning Heretics into living bombs? Sign me up

[spark flower]

its viable but takes a skilled big brained player

[regal raft]

Psyker is viable in heresy+ it’s jsut it’s builds are super limited on what are functional choices

[signal turret]

If you bring a Surge Staff it's damn near a carry, otherwise Psyker is mid af

[weak galleon]

It's viable.
it needs rework.
both statements are true.

[vivid yoke]

https://youtu.be/bkB3Al45auA?t=83

[ornate hamlet]

you're a CC bot and need your team to be good for you to work

[vivid yoke]

how come this flame staff has a big aoe knockback at the time link?

I don't see a barrel

[ornate hamlet]

ok i can confirm i just fantasised checked a video just now from closed beta and there wasnt such a thing

[frail geyser]

diff build of the game

[safe spear]

So viable, but limited viable builds? Sounds slightly worse than zealot then. Zealot has knife + flamer, eviscerator + some ranged-killing gun mainly is what I'm seeing

[frail geyser]

or just oomphed up for trailer

[dim pier]

There's a barrel hidden back there, you can hear the barrel sound effect

[spark flower]

when i saw that, it made the flame staff look so fun. it looks like you can press a button mid spray to cause an explosion

but yeah, theres a barrel like meep said.

[dim pier]

On the last frame you can also see where the barrel was

[bold maple]

I mean I did all heresy with flame staff already

with pubs

[ornate hamlet]

correct. viable in team play with certain builds. but its hard to justify over a vet a lot of the time

[safe spear]

What does the surge staff do?

[signal turret]

Or a Zealot with Flamer if you build for horde clear

[vivid yoke]

u right u right

imagine if flame staff could do that tho sheeesh

[signal turret]

Endless CC, deletes flak armored melee and ranged

[devout halo]

lol at them using an explosive barrel to make the flame staff look slightly useful

[frail geyser]

hard animation locks everything it hits

dogs stop moving, bursters stop jumping

[spark flower]

does charging it make it hit more enemies or do more dmg?

[signal turret]

makes it hit 2 additional enemies, not worth it

[raw otter]

the special button of staves can perma stunlock hounds

[weak galleon]

dmg.

[signal turret]

just instant cast it

[polar gulch]

turd of nurgle and the assassination boss didn't stop, please buff

[frail geyser]

v safe protect your team and enable them to kill everything for free

[spark flower]

also am i crazy or does it do more dmg when it hits less enemies?

[toxic pecan]

This is one of the major issues with the class. At high diff especially endless horde or Daemonhost missions you can't just have one person who does nothing but CC and can't make things die fast enough.

[weak galleon]

wait really?
I recall it also significantly increases damage.

[ornate hamlet]

you certain charging doesnt do more damage?

[signal turret]

auto cast is 6, fully charged is 8. From my testing in meat grinder charging did not increase damage whatsoever

[frail geyser]

the tons of specials and elites that higher ranks throw at you arent as scary when they just tpose there

[spark flower]

i used to always fully charge but i noticed other psykers spamming it

[dim pier]

It does, I'm fairly sure. Tested in the psykanium.

[devout axle]

Any melee weapon can. Any damage at all staggers a hound if its not eating someone.

[frail geyser]

it does but it doesnt matter

cus the cc is more the point than the dmg

you can block up chokepoints with stunned mobs

[regal raft]

Exactly yeah, cc isn’t your only viable option, but there’s only like… 3 actual viable builds, which is just kill everything in a massive wave every 45 seconds using a mixture of warp charges you rapidly stack using a build combination with purgatus, or a cc build where you use surge light alt attack spams to hard cc as many of the enemies as possible and hope your team come in to save you by clearing out them while they’re cc’d, or a brainburst build which is a fucking meme and only good for very specific enemy types and missions, but you’re meh at everything else and just waiting for those enemies to exist to be successful.

[spark flower]

you guys use it as a cc machine to let your team mop up the bad guys?

[regal raft]

They do yes

[signal turret]

Yes, every other class has much higher dmg potential than Psyker

[raw otter]

doesnt seem, either light or heavies dont perma stun lock hounds 🤔
there are different type of staggers since vt2 also

[ornate hamlet]

Overall, psyker is the most tedious class to play, requires the most skill, and is the least rewarding imo

[signal turret]

Purgatus is beaten out by Flamer, Veterans are significantly better elite killers

[weak galleon]

Yes, that's what Surge staff essentially is.

[dim pier]

Meanwhile, teammates that don't target stunned enemies that literally can't do a thing

[frail geyser]

i kill hordes with force sword and use surge whenever big problems pop up

[signal turret]

This is the way

[weak galleon]

it also deals heavy damage to single targets, if no other enemies around, once fully charged.

[spark flower]

i wish i could put this newfound knowledge to worj

work*

[signal turret]

The beauty is that you can just keep them CC'd until Big E calls you home

[toxic pecan]

Spam left clicking lightning cone amd holding R is not what I would call high skill gameplay

[frail geyser]

stun>quell>stun is v good

[devout axle]

Hounds will get knocked out of any animation they are doing, except when they are eating someone, and stumble around if you deal any damage to them at all. This is why you can melee a dog that is pouncing you out of the air.

[regal raft]

This is true yeah, it’s why it should be really as a stat stick, although I got lucky and got a really good blue staff with best stats that I upgraded to a god roll masterwork that jsut clears out everything but monstrousities and assassin bosses in a single charge.

[ornate hamlet]

I would agree with that. Meant more for survivability and being useful. Zealot is higher skill for clutching, kiting, etc

[spark flower]

ive seen a lot of people say zealot is bad but i think every last man standing clutch ive seen were zealots

[ornate hamlet]

Zealot is objectively good

[mild lotus]

zealot bad

[regal raft]

It’s the highest skill class, that’s just by comparison, not because it’s a really skillful class to play, just that it’s more then others.

[mild lotus]

that's a first

[bold maple]

zealot bad

[ornate hamlet]

Lots of survivability and damage output

[frail geyser]

I wish i had a weapon in vt2 that could stop multiple chaos warriors from swinging

[mild lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

[signal turret]

Personally, im just of the mind that if you can't handle a horde of dregs without taking significant damage or dying you shouldn't be in 4-5. I put low value on horde clear but that's just me

[frail geyser]

for essentially free

so many idiot pugs wouldnt have died lol

[devout halo]

agreed

[weak galleon]

bloody battering ram. BRam FK best FK.

[toxic pecan]

Zealot absolutely high skill. I have spectated some insane Zealots overcome overwhelming odds with clutch play after clutch play. Which is also what makes Psyker feel so bad
There is very little "big plays" you can make as a cc bot with weak damage and squishy

[ornate hamlet]

exactly

[frail geyser]

didnt play much kruber in higher diffs cus a friend did

but yea that shit ruled

[regal raft]

Dude like the last 7 matches I was in, all heresy levels, and they had level 14s and below. I completely agree, it’s so fucking annoying.

The difficulties need an item level requirement

Not a level requirement

[spark flower]

agreed

[frail geyser]

but surge is that on demand for v low peril cost

and I love it

[ornate hamlet]

but its boring spamming lightning for hours on end

im already bored of it and the games not out

[toxic pecan]

Watching my friend show me how fast the fireball staff in VT2 was compared to our void staff broke my heart. The blueprint was there, it's literally the same staff but so much better

[signal turret]

That's why I use every opportunity I can to descend into glorious melee during hordes to break up the monotony

[frail geyser]

i stave off boredom by dodgesliding all the time lol

[signal turret]

but I agree tbh. I hate Surge Staff being meta

[frail geyser]

schmovement is so fun in this game

[spark flower]

i didnt like the fireball staff in vt2 because it would blind me with the charge animation

[polar gulch]

go off-meta and enjoy that trauma staff then

[signal turret]

That would give me trauma irl

[dim pier]

Heck yeah dodgesliding spam gang

[mild lotus]

How do you handle hordes? Do you just spam lights til stuff die or do you use some kind of fancy combo?

[spark flower]

i would be really surprised if they didnt buff every staff, theres been so many posts about psyker being lacking, fatshark has to have noticed

[signal turret]

I block shove and dodge

[dim pier]

With the force sword, light heavy push

[spark flower]

then again they might just nerf the surge staff and make them all equally bad

[frail geyser]

l1>h2?block>push

[noble ridge]

Can they bring servers back up? Just as a treat? I wanna head pop

[weak galleon]

VT2 also gave careers gamechanging talents.
Like, take BW for example - Famished Flames vs Volcanic Force vs Lingering Flames.

Current Psyker has nothing of sort.

[frail geyser]

is the god combo for killing hordes behind a teammate

[regal raft]

Just to remind everyone here, you’re all actually horrible at the game and aren’t playing staffs the right way by using your alternative special attack to repeatedly bonk the enemy across the head with it.

If you’re not playing it correctly like this then you should be banned from heresy+

Melee force staff users will shame you all

[ornate hamlet]

all psyker needs is 1. make maintaining 4 stacks less of a chore and 2. tune some numbers

[frail geyser]

but spamming push is v good for just controlling a horde

[ornate hamlet]

lets see if they can figure that out

[dim pier]

Melee force staff is the only build.

[mild lotus]

Yeah that's what I do too except I use the light3 since it's so strong, it kills most mobs in a single hit, i find it worth the use

[vivid merlin]

they already have a blueprint for a satisfying magic user in a horde game

[regal raft]

Everything else is a troll

[mild lotus]

and then my combo is reset naturally

[devout axle]

The only staff I liked in VT2 was the Coruscation Staff. That's what the Trauma Staff should have been.

[vivid merlin]

they're purposely making it the way it is

[frail geyser]

in the later diffs you need that push to stagger mobs swinging at you

[noble ridge]

Them wanting us to kill a monstrosity on heresy solo with just brain burst is NUTS

[vivid merlin]

not interested in satisfying, think of the jank as additional layer of difficulty that is the developer vision

[frail geyser]

you should also abuse fs dodgesliding cus its mobility is p damn good

[vivid merlin]

you'll be happier when you accept it

[ornate hamlet]

its not SO BAD with a group working together and the level 30 brain burst cooldown reduction

but its still silly

[frail geyser]

v silly

[noble ridge]

Yeah all the penances just seem annoying and detrimental to go for tbh

[ornate hamlet]

also if heresy's endless horde bug is actually a bug then it will be easier when they fix that too

[spark flower]

i glanced at them and thought ''yeah im never doing that''

[toxic pecan]

I ran into one of these lmao. Was playing my Veteran on Heresy foundry mission. Two zealots rushed way ahead and died, leaving me with a Psyker with a trauma staff to rescue them half the map away. Surprisingly, pulled it off thanks to Bolter and Tactical Axe but it took every drop of ammo to get there and a lot of push and pull back. The Psyker killed mobs one at a time the entire time xd

[polar gulch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2894637343 trivial with a team, impossible with pug

[signal turret]

Im actually concerned about this lol. Im so used to endless horde just being a staple of heresy that if they fix it it'll be too easy

[ornate hamlet]

trauma staff could be ok with a little elite stagger/armor piercing and less peril

[weak galleon]

It requires full premade of good players, but it's doable. Also people mentioned it's possible with randoms, if they communicate
the "Suicide Yourself" Penance is an achievemnt in itself. Creating one of the most toxic achievemnts for multiplayer game.

[noble ridge]

Yeah lmao that achievement is bonkers

[ornate hamlet]

i find endless horde tedious. yeah yeah spawn 6 specials every 30 seconds, repeat 20 times

[noble ridge]

I love the fact that I got the one penance for 5 minutes max charge at least 3 times before learning it’s labeled wrong and it’s heresy only

[spark flower]

lmao

[noble ridge]

Did anyone get to use the rifthaven staff or did everyone else just crash on use too

[toxic pecan]

Have you seen the VT2 version? The ground target circle is FUCKHUEG sized. why did we get a tiny little circle? We got scammed siblings.

[timber shale]

Meanwhile I got that penance by accident just because I'm bad

[signal turret]

I enjoy the chaos of it

[dim pier]

Rifthaven? Wut

[devout axle]

Its like the people who were tasked with designing the achievements have never played a coop game before, and were only given the instruction "Don't make them too easy, but doable."

[noble ridge]

The staff that makes the white flames

[ornate hamlet]

it has its place for sure, especially with a good group, but should be optional

[spark flower]

purgatus?

[noble ridge]

Because I got it the day before beta ended and crashed every single time I tried to attack with it

[signal turret]

Purgatus lol and yes, it's an instant crash for me

[dim pier]

Oh, purgatus. I was completely fine with all 4 of them, no crashes.

[finite goblet]

ye I did

[noble ridge]

I reloaded into the same game 5 times wondering why tf I was crashing

Even restarted pc

[spark flower]

it didnt make me crash but it asnt triggeing my 10% toughness on kill talent so i stopped using it

[frail geyser]

voidstrike made me crash a couple times

[signal turret]

For some reason other Psykers using it is no problem

Me using it is a crash to desktop simulator

[ornate hamlet]

purgatus is the most fun staff to use imo but its doggy doo

[weak galleon]

RTX 3000 series, by any chance?

[noble ridge]

Yeah I saw a guy using it then saw it in shop right after getting out

[frail geyser]

it stopped after the first update to the beta

[noble ridge]

Yes

[toxic pecan]

Like every staff is worse than it's Vermintide counterpart and I just don't understand why.

For what purpose

[frail geyser]

yea 3080ti

[regal raft]

Because sienna was OP

[spark flower]

theyre afraid of making psyker the god-like force of nature that it should be

[weak galleon]

yeah, I'm seeing a trend here. Or it's high settings of the game (which owners of 3000 would likely run). Barely had any crashes with 1080ti on medium settings.

[noble ridge]

Interesting.

I did have settings maxed with my 3080

[signal turret]

Here's to hoping the great enemy of the Surge Staff is fixed on release

[weak galleon]

maybe a couple in a hundred hours.

[toxic pecan]

Meanwhile me on my Veteran: Bolter goes DOOMDOOMDOOM haha

[signal turret]

Elevation

[finite goblet]

see, I really like the flame staff, and it seemed to function just fine for me on kill for toughness

[noble ridge]

I crashed like crazy up until 3-4 days ago

[polar gulch]

but why, awful fps if you do

[noble ridge]

Like every other mission was a crash or disconnect

[frail geyser]

im on all low

[spark flower]

veteran definitely got a lot of love and attention, very strong character

[sour coral]

A librarian in training. I know the duodecimal system! Beware! Knowledge is power!

[frail geyser]

performance gaming baybee

[devout axle]

Non-psyker detected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li1pBqfGmrE

[noble ridge]

Lol I tweaked settings and went from 60 up to 80, figured not worth

[regal raft]

I got my new bolter I leveled and upgraded on my vet, it’s so good, even if it’s not max Item Level it just turns constantly waves into dust

[polar gulch]

if you didn't lower your worker threads (you should), that's more likely the issue

[ornate hamlet]

I burned out on vet, burned out on psyker, may end up landing on zealot

[spark flower]

Ogryn is fun

[ornate hamlet]

vet is strong but one dimensional, psyker you're pigeonholed into gameplay that's a chore

[toxic pecan]

I leveled Psyker to 30, played a week, then made a Vet and a big boi Ogryn and am happier ( except crying inside because I want us to be good so bad)

[ornate hamlet]

psyker is where my heart is for sure

[spark flower]

i always gravitate towards underdog classes that everyone says sucks and i try to make them work

[chrome sun]

https://tenor.com/view/not-my-job-drake-josh-gif-7484675

[regal raft]

The best Vet perk is Camo Expert in order to troll the absolute shit out of your team as you stand in the middle of the doorframe in front of them as every enemy mob jsut runs past you and attacks them instead

I love it

I love forcing the level 7 psyker trio to be the tanks without consent

[spark flower]

do force sword attacks trigger the level 5 feat Warp Absorption?

[signal turret]

The special... I think? Otherwise, no

[devout axle]

Their special does.

[toxic pecan]

Psyker one shotting a mob with a charged voidstaff and then Vet deleting 3 Crushers and 4 Ragers in a single clip is like being Deku standing next to All Might. Give us some buffs pls

[mild lotus]

what does it do again?

[signal turret]

Toughness on warp kill

[spark flower]

i figured as much

[mild lotus]

oh then, the force swords regular attacks don't count as warp attacks

but the special does indeed

[spark flower]

same thing with the perk that boosts force attacks by 5-15%?

[toxic pecan]

Force sword spec is pretty legit. I hope we get a 2h version with cleave

[mild lotus]

also, the special applies small ticks of damage before bursting the target and those ticks can trigger psykinetic flayer

[mild lotus]

yes

[finite goblet]

god I want a 2h force sword yes please.

[steady beacon]

^

[spark flower]

would be amazing

[mild lotus]

I don't want that

I prefer the style of one handed weapons

[finite goblet]

well its a good thing that would still be a option then lol

[toxic pecan]

Getting swarmed by armored common units is where Psyker frequently dies
They desperately need a decent Cleave weapon for rooms where endless horde comes from all directions

[mild lotus]

for sure, I just try to handle the fact I'll never be able to have both my drip and proper cleave on a force sword at the same time

[spark flower]

what about an ability where you press a button and your psyker transforms into a veteran for a short duration and you use that to deal with tricky situations, then revert back to psyker

[wise pecan]

May I introduce you to the sword. Not the force sword, the other ones

[frail geyser]

the cleave on light>heavy>push is p good

[mild lotus]

the autopistol and recon lasgun solve that

[frail geyser]

wish ppl would use that combo

[mild lotus]

I do

[wise pecan]

Horizontal sweep on the heavy, back and forth, takes heads like a Highlander

[mild lotus]

but the angle of the first light is terrible

[toxic pecan]

Devil claw swords are just... lacking. They need a damage buff.

[mild lotus]

barely usable

it's only decent because it does have cleave properties

[frail geyser]

i usually get 2 heads with it, same as most of the angled swipes on the swords

[polar gulch]

just give me side to side sweeps with every light attack, simple as

[mild lotus]

2nd heavy tho

[toxic pecan]

I used devil claw swords for a while but they are just not quite there

[sour coral]

Dude I was shocked at how little damage a good one does. I thought Ogryn shield was low damage....that claw sword is awful.

[ornate hamlet]

psyker needs force choke in some capacity

[mild lotus]

brain burst is basically force choking their brains til they collapse

[toxic pecan]

Yeah. Other classes with access to devil claw I never even picked one up because they have better options

[ruby spire]

They were really good for horde clear back in the October beta. This time around they were like swinging a pool noodle

[signal turret]

Thought I had a god roll devils claw, regardless of what it rolls with it seems to be the physical personification of mid

[spark flower]

wish i had played that beta, from what i hear class balance was better

[signal turret]

Dumpster damage

[mild lotus]

psyker was good

can you believe it?

[toxic pecan]

Psyker was pretty good in closed beta

[mild lotus]

bb was meta

4 casts in a single peril bar

full cleansing on ult

[long wharf]

that sounds great

[mild lotus]

dodging was infinite

[toxic pecan]

That initial stun on bb, that 25% peril, that full vent Ultimate, those better devil claws

So delicious

[mild lotus]

oh yeah

[toxic pecan]

Now we just give ourselves brain damage

[mild lotus]

instant stagger upon bb charging up

[signal turret]

We were gods....

Then came the Fatshark Heresy

[mild lotus]

you could just tag mobs and stagger everything

[spark flower]

damn if snowy zorua agrees psyker was good in that beta it must be true

[mild lotus]

even when not charging bb at all

remember what these fiends took from you

[toxic pecan]

Pre nerf Zealot before melee bleed through was insane too

[mild lotus]

Ogryns and vets were underwhelming however as far as I could tell

their new weapons really helped them

[timber shale]

psyker just feels so high risk, low reward

[toxic pecan]

I saw so few Ogryn I don't have an informed opinion of Closed Beta version

[spark flower]

its surprising to me how ogryn is the less played class

[misty mist]

Wasn't psyker also able to use the shotgun during closed beta?

[toxic pecan]

Not that I ever found

[spark flower]

that would be good

[mild lotus]

I sent a message in ogryn chat. Let's see what we get.

[spark flower]

tho using a GUN as psyker feels weird, i always ask myself if im gonna use a gun why not just play a class thats optmized for guns

[mild lotus]

YES

Remember what they took from you.

Shotgun, my beloved

[toxic pecan]

Psyker doesn't need a shotty...they need a better horde clear melee weapon and their staves buffed. Melee in this game feels really good, just some weapons need buffs

[acoustic pine]

Yeah especially since BB falls off in higher difficulties, if you're playing gun psyker you're just worse Vet/Zealot.

Combat Axe MkV has great horde clear

[mild lotus]

shotguns are good horde clearing tools

especially their special ammo

[misty mist]

Yea I found myself using the kantrael over the staff alot of the time

[acoustic pine]

Especially if you roll ignore enemy mass for 4s on weakpoint kill

[toxic pecan]

Don't like wasting ammo on hordes. Use grenades and cleave weapons.

[spark flower]

how about a staff that behaves like a magic shotgun

[mild lotus]

#ogryn-class message
Ogryn chat feedback

[acoustic pine]

I mean, there's 2 staves with good horde clear

[long wharf]

for curios, what's the difference between Combat Ability Regeneration and Cooldown Reduction?

[mild lotus]

4 shots of the shotty meant half the horde went back into the warp

[acoustic pine]

are those 2 different stats? I thought it was just regen

[mild lotus]

pretty efficient

[spark flower]

lol damn they nurfed the ogryn charge from 100m to 12m

[acoustic pine]

but the difference just from the name would probably 20% regen = 1.2x faster CD regen. 20% CDR = 0.8 CD = 1.25x faster CD regen

[toxic pecan]

I have just seen the light of other classes horde clear. My Vet with a power sword and my Ogryn with a Cleaver smash hordes like Sauron on puny mortals

No need to waste bullets

[mild lotus]

Indeed, but we are not other classes.

We have to deal with what we're given.

[acoustic pine]

Psyker can do the same thing with combat axe mkV

[spark flower]

that vet power sword, is so good, legit one of the best melee weapons and its used by the ranged class

[acoustic pine]

mkV is busted

[toxic pecan]

But we could be. We need a good cleave melee wep

[mild lotus]

shot

gun

[weak galleon]

What's special about Mk5?
Didn't do axes much, since never enjoyed them in Vt2.

[signal turret]

This is what im hoping the Force Greatsword accomplishes

[spark flower]

i wanna charge up my sword and then do a horizontal cleave that tears shit up instead of locking into the first enemy hit

[toxic pecan]

Same.

[signal turret]

If Force Greatsword isnt a Psyker flavored Vet Power Sword I riot

[mild lotus]

the force sword's special should count as a brain burst attack honestly

and give charge

it would make it so much better

[long wharf]

it should have a chance to cause a brain burst

or a chance to generate a warp charge

[ruby spire]

It has a 10% chance to BB with that one perk 😛

[timber shale]

do we know for certain that we're actually getting a force greatsword?

[ruby spire]

Jokes aside, the special for the sword landing a hit should generate a warp charge, yeah

[acoustic pine]

The push attack on mkV is a very horizontal cleave that has like ~190 damage on first target and ~130 damage on secondary targets. It has the stats Damage Cleave First Target and Penetration which means it absolutely destroys flask armor (Damage + Cleave + Penetration) and does very good on unarmored (Damage + Cleave) and has good Cleave (Cleave) and can roll the blessing ignore mass for Xs on weakpoint kill which gives you infinite cleave on a horde.

[mild lotus]

[toxic pecan]

If this perk didn't have a 15 second cooldown the class would feel so much better

[acoustic pine]

With warp charges up the first hit will 1shot horde mobs on headshot and do like 75% of the HP of another 3-5 mobs.

[frank chasm]

maybe a 5s cooldown so it reps the same as a BB charge

[signal turret]

No. It was potentially part of an icon leak but im remaining skeptical to prevent possible disappointment

[ruby spire]

Agree, but removal outright would make Purg staff absolutely nuts

[acoustic pine]

And the light attacks are really good on everything and will 1tap every non special in damnation with like 2 warp charges

[sour coral]

which sword?

[mild lotus]

except body mass is a thing

[frank chasm]

so similiar timing but less chance to balance the amount of shots

[toxic pecan]

It would be worth the total loss of ranged viability though.

[polar gulch]

there were 65 weapons in the beta and 80+ at launch, or did they downgrade that estimate?

[acoustic pine]

@mild lotus like I said you need to roll "ignore enemy mass for 4s on weakpoint kill" and then spam push attack at head level, or you get target capped at like 4 mobs. Still does really well without it

@sour coral combat axe mkV

[mild lotus]

oh you mean the axe

[ruby spire]

Kinda wish Purgatus staff light attack simply flung a fireball so the only full range option wasn't just BB

[mild lotus]

mb I don't want to use an axe

force sword or nothing

[acoustic pine]

Yeah it's like the best melee weapon psyker has IMO, force sword and chainsword have their niches but they're pretty bad on horde

[long wharf]

okay, critique this Soulblazer/Purgatus build - https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/ad019b60-d2e7-4a09-aa35-ddc99b60f320/soulblazer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[acoustic pine]

Knife is also good

[ruby spire]

Should just go borrow a nemesis force hammer from a friendly Grey Knight. I'm sure they won't mind 😆

[rapid junco]

can someone explain the thought process that taken devs to nerf psyker and make zealot do hes job with flame thrower and removing any character beign able to kill maulers at lvl 4+ diff?

[polar gulch]

hmm nemesis force, well that doesn't sound ominous at all!

[mild lotus]

fun has been purged from the galaxy

[toxic pecan]

The only thing I don't like about axe on Psyker is the stamina drain. You often burn stamina catching up to your team

[acoustic pine]

Who needs stamina lol

[mild lotus]

the planet of Amusementia has received a holy exterminatus mandated by the Ordo Malleus

[acoustic pine]

Just spam push attack, for some reason it doesn't require stamina in this game

[signal turret]

The fact that it says Soulblazer imma skip the intro and conclusion and rate it a 1/10

[toxic pecan]

So between trying to stay in coherence and using push attack it can go bad

[ruby karma]

I hope there is a larger change to this.
Classes should be asymmetrical

[acoustic pine]

Not really

[glacial abyss]

Surge staff is best

[long wharf]

I'm hoping for a more serious critique, not your memey staff loving

[toxic pecan]

Push attack absolutely uses stamina

[acoustic pine]

yeah but you can use it at 1 stamina

and I just spam it

enemies never touch you in melee

[signal turret]

I only wanted to make it easier on you sibling

[glacial abyss]

Ong

[acoustic pine]

Plus I like to run kinetic deflection just in case since it lets you block tank dumb amounts of stuff if you need to

[mild lotus]

The simple idea of playing with an axe to spam the push attack disgusts me.

[acoustic pine]

I mean it works

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[toxic pecan]

This is not true when massively swarmed. Even if you push dodge those little shits will ice skate up to you and take a hit.

[timber shale]

I'd go with Inner Tranquility instead of Psykinetic's Wrath, since you're doing a lot of DoT instead of direct damage. Also I believe the Purgatus staff cannot crit so the increased crit chance is a waste on it.

[mild lotus]

It looks so boring and bland when you think about the fact you're playing a space wizard.

[acoustic pine]

Not my fault the mkV push attack does more damage than the horizontal heavy attack of things like the mk1 claw sword

[signal turret]

Hold the block for a sec after dodging every time

[polar gulch]

how stupid is it btw. that they named that lvl 10 talent the same as your innate ability

[timber shale]

SO stupid

[acoustic pine]

@toxic pecan it is true lol, I've soloed entire hordes on damnation just spamming push attack and basically killing 3-4 every time

[mild lotus]

About as stupid as naming two penances the same way.

[toxic pecan]

Right. But if you push attack at 1 stamina and dodge you can't block the ice skate hit. they need to fix mobs skating up to you and rubberbanding

[mild lotus]

Oh wait, my bad, the other penance misses a capital 'o'

[timber shale]

honestly it feels like the entire feat tree was an afterthought

[signal turret]

Sibling, this is why I run Kinetic Deflection

[polar gulch]

wh40k if anything has a near-unlimited supply of cool-sounding shit, just pick one

[acoustic pine]

@toxic pecan which is why you just run Kinetic Deflection so that you can block with peril and don't worry about that

[long wharf]

don't get me started on FS's naming - there are two core penances named the exact same thing, with a single capitalized letter being the only difference

talk about inherently confusing

[toxic pecan]

Or. And hear me out here. They could give us a weapon that has better cleave.

Just saying

[deft tusk]

Hello my friends, hopefully we can all agree on not being completely aids to the new players when the server comes online in 14 hours

[mild lotus]

Frag you, get the worst horde clear and the most tedious special removal tools in the game.

[acoustic pine]

To give us a weapon with better cleave than the mkV it would have to be really OP

[toxic pecan]

Power Sword has joined the chat

[mild lotus]

The power sword really looks like the cooler Daniel from the meme when put next to the force sword

[acoustic pine]

yes power sword is OP, it should be nerfed really

[polar gulch]

that's on FS if they don't raise the lvl req's for each difficulty

[toxic pecan]

Evis with ignores enemy mass would also like to play

[long wharf]

the Vet shouldn't be the class to get the best cleaving weapon in the game, anyways

[ruby karma]

Nah, Forcesword should be buffed.
THings need to be powered up, not reduced in str

[acoustic pine]

Idk I don't play zealot but my friend who does says the evis feels bad vs horde compared to normal chainsword and normal chainsword imo feels bad compared to mkV

[rapid junco]

ur basicly putting ur team at disadvantage just because sharp shooter is not alway able to easly kill hounds or reapers or even muties, imo all psykers should never be horde clearing focused build except when ur playing with 4 man so they can change builds around u

[timber shale]

if things are OP they should be nerfed. If you only ever buff things your game falls apart due to power creep

[toxic pecan]

Evis with ignores mass is a weapon of mass destruction

[mild lotus]

Both would be great actually

the power sword is really too strong of a melee for a range DPS oriented class

[acoustic pine]

I guess maybe he doesn't have ignores mass

[long wharf]

any build should be taken with the consideration of dedicated team coordination

[acoustic pine]

does that make a revved heavy hit a whole pack?

[ruby spire]

Maybe Grendyl has some of these lying around on the Mourningstar

[mild lotus]

Grey Knights?

[toxic pecan]

My zealot friend clears everything around him in one swing with it

[acoustic pine]

TBH, the force sword should be buffed

[mild lotus]

What are those? A new chapter?

[toxic pecan]

Agree

[mild lotus]

There's no such thing as grey knights afaik.

[ruby spire]

Grey Ogryns on the other hand

[long wharf]

besides, a team has to have a horde clearer, and if the psyker can do that, then the zealot doesn't have to

[ruby karma]

Issue is, nerfing everything kills what makes items special. Overnerfing ruins fun.

[polar gulch]

did FS ever change the actual animations of weapons after implementing them in V2, or did they always just tweak the damage and such values to buff/nerf?

[acoustic pine]

They changed the patterns at least once

that I recall

it was a big weapon rebalance like 3 years in though

[polar gulch]

yeah so likely not something to expect anytime soon, not really feeling the force sword in its current iteration

[rapid junco]

the thing is u cant change ur build in lobby basicly means u have to get ur builds basic going fancy is nothing bad but as long as ur not hurting ur teamcomp and im speaking only high diff bcs teamcomp there is crucial
dont get me wrong i like going with differend builds to but as long there is no loadout change in lobby and u cant see ur team8s builds u cant really afford that in random mm

[timber shale]

Yeah but the power sword is blatantly OP so that shouldn't be an issue in this case

[toxic pecan]

What people need to learn is the right melee weapons are all the horde clear you need
A good flamethrower on a zealot is nice, sure, but I honestly love the ones that carry a revolver and just one tap Snipers with it.

[long wharf]

why can't you change your build in lobby?

[devout furnace]

what's everyone's perfered psyker voice, i perfer female seer. She sounds like a nice old lady who went senile

[signal turret]

I'd rather the vet do that and the Zealot keep their flamer

[acoustic pine]

Horde clear on secondary is nice if it can deal with hordes that have elites inside of them

[rapid junco]

there is no such option ur on 60 s timer and u can only ready up or leave lobby

[sonic aspen]

You can press I and bring up your war gear though?

[long wharf]

not if you know ahead of time what to change for the build you want, it's not exactly hard

[toxic pecan]

I pop them with grenade gauntlet on my Ogryn. Feels very smug and really ranged are everyone's responsibility

[acoustic pine]

Meleeing into a horde that has some crushers and ragers in it is yikes

[mild lotus]

Savant's french accent won me over.

[rapid junco]

yes i know it but not seeing ur team8s loadout makes it completly useless

[sonic aspen]

Ah I get your point now indeed it would be nice to see your teams load out so you know what changes to make

[autumn marten]

kinda disagree. Just knowing the classes in your squad can make you want to change your build

[toxic pecan]

You just got done talking up the axe when that weapon can stagger both ragers and crushers lol what

[long wharf]

this is why you communicate with people?

[signal turret]

This would be so lovely. I always have to be particular with the force sword when Ragers are engaging me mid-horde

[long wharf]

seriously, jumping into a random match isn't how you design builds

[rapid junco]

imagine u have everyone focused on horde clearing and no elite dmg no toughness build or any survivability and u dont know it, adding loadout preview of your team8s would not hurt anyone

[mild lotus]

communicate? We're psyker players, we don't do that here

[acoustic pine]

ragers are stagger immune (from melee at least, not surge) in their combo, and to stagger crushers you have to do a heavy which isn't a good idea to do into a horde, not to mention if the crusher is in swing animation it won't stagger

[long wharf]

bullshit - I refuse to play with people that don't communicate

[mild lotus]

or use the force sword's special

[toxic pecan]

Push attack into Heavy

[signal turret]

You can yeet them with Force Sword peril push

[acoustic pine]

Using force sword special on an elite inside of a horde is a bad idea

[long wharf]

I even told someone that joined my group to leave the group after they muted themselves so that they could listen to music and eat during the mission

[rapid junco]

even tho 60s is not enough to go through all bs that u have to type in order to know eachothers builds quick glance at loadouts would be so nice

[mild lotus]

force push them down

then special it

[acoustic pine]

yeah no, that's some low difficulty stuff

[mild lotus]

• they're very tall so the light1 can catch them rather easily

[acoustic pine]

Bigger hordes have enemies out of range of the push

[autumn marten]

well yeah, it would be nice. Im saying its not useless as it is. If I have 2 ogryns and a zealot on my team, I'll probably wanna swap what weapon and perk loadout i have equipped to go more for elite killing, yknow? I'd love to see other team loadout too, but its not useless without it

[long wharf]

if you aren't verbally communicating then you aren't in a good group

[acoustic pine]

so if you try that, they're just gonna walk up and hit you

force sword is just bad vs hordes

[mild lotus]

It's not about winning

[signal turret]

I've never had a problem with the initial force sword push staggering back the horde, getting close to ensure no weird shenanigans with the peril push to knock the rager off their feet, 1 more basic push for good measure, then follow up with force sword special

[mild lotus]

it's about sending a message

[toxic pecan]

I have never had a problem with Ragers in melee. They're very easy to abuse because of their long animations. Crushers I can see since their horizontal swing can catch you

[potent moat]

I wonder if there will be language standardized in the community to quickly communicate build info for the 60 second team building

[rapid junco]

i dont think u get it as i said 60 seconds will never be enough to type out all this stuff even if ppl wanted to instead of everyone asking eachother stuff u should have preview so u can spend time on securing what roles u want to do

[mild lotus]

People already call feats by a number between 1 and 3 starting from top to bottom

[signal turret]

y'all get people that communicate? lol

[mild lotus]

a full build of feats looks like "1 3 2 1 1 3"

[long wharf]

you aren't getting it - verbal communication is paramount for coordinated efforts

you shouldn't be trying to type in comms instead of literally talking

[mild lotus]

excuse me but where are you from?

[signal turret]

Overwhelming majority of my groups the only communication is "gg"

[potent moat]

Oh nice, that is helpful

[long wharf]

I overwhelmingly play with people in chats

[mild lotus]

because if you're from somewhere in Europe, chances are the people you play with aren't speaking your tongue at all

[toxic pecan]

I play with 1-2 friends and a pug or two. Pugs never listen lol. Best you can do is hope they can keep themselves alive.

[long wharf]

I'm not

[polar gulch]

european pugs are completely mute

[long wharf]

I don't play with EU pugs, so.

[autumn marten]

yeah, the point is it doesnt work if you're in eu

[rapid junco]

i really think ur trying to provoke me talking or typing still is something that shouldnt be done in 60 seconds of time in lobby where u gonna have time to change it ? u have to come to conclusion while talking ? u saying that u can talk so fast that noone will understand u and will switch build at the same time?

[mild lotus]

Yeah, that's why you don't understand how we can play with little to no comm

[signal turret]

Im in the US and still keep voice chat muted

[autumn marten]

I have vc, but I dont really talk anyway. there's more then enough communication with chat and pings

[mild lotus]

It's fun and all to voice chat but when you're trying to coordinate a british with a german, a spanish as a french...

good luck with that

[long wharf]

and the only time I play without being in voice chat is easy mission runs for simple mission completion or scriptures

[signal turret]

This is the way

[timber shale]

I do too because 90% of the time its just some annoying mouthbreather crunching chips into their mic and screaming at random time

[rapid junco]

probbly ogryn players

[autumn marten]

if someone starts talking first, I might respond, but thats about it

[signal turret]

I probably would've forgotten to mute my voice chat if I hadn't played with this Vet hard RP'ing as a guardsman the entire match

[rapid junco]

Would love to see one my self i only had russian having sound so loud i could hear hes game

[toxic pecan]

Most pugs I have had use voice either coughed constantly or went on insane rants lol. Or just said "Penance" and never another word

[mild lotus]

I had a few times those dudes that do a whistle sound when they breath

Since I can barely tolerate annoying noises, this was a true challenge not to instantly alt+f4

[toxic pecan]

PTT should be default

[signal turret]

Maybe its because I grew up during the MW2 era, i've lost any and all desire to v-chat with randos online

[mild lotus]

frag you, have a 100% open mic default set on your laptop shitty built in microphone

[next meteor]

I hope it picks up your dog barking and smoke alarm going off in the background

[mild lotus]

of course

[mild lotus]

as well as the little brother yelling like a maniac and your mother vacuuming the floor next to you with the TV on on some spanish drama

true story

[next meteor]

“Ayyyy mijo come get your frijoles”

“No tengo hambre mama, más tarde!”

[toxic pecan]

I have had to hear people going to the bathroom while on a zoom meeting at work. I have heard ALLL the cursed noises at this point

[mild lotus]

By the emperor...

Must be one of Nurgle's "blessings"

[acoustic spade]

so when did the servers come back up

should I go back to sleep

[toxic pecan]

Sleep

[timber shale]

they'll be up tomorrow morning

10am PST iirc

[acoustic spade]

"tomorrow morning"

ah yer US timezoners

its 6:20am here

[timber shale]

lol

[acoustic spade]

30th of November has already arrived

13 more hours?

[devout axle]

1pm EST if you live in the cozy midwest USA like me.

[toxic pecan]

Who knows how many sweden hours that will be

[sonic aspen]

at least 2

[acoustic spade]

fuck I'll have to sleep like 12 more hours

[toxic pecan]

Might be 13 might be 20

[acoustic spade]

went to bed yesterday a little after I found out the servers closed while I was in the Meatgrinder

[toxic pecan]

What a place to get stuck

[devout axle]

Reposting this one last time before I go to bed.
Thanks all of you who voted, it was a fun experiment.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWDaV43gA

[thick acorn]

love the VT reskins thanks FS👍

[mild lotus]

Sir, the Bardin chat in one channel above, in the zealot chat.

[acoustic spade]

So I checked yesterday before I went to bed

and i only have like 20 hours in VT2

while I think I exceeded 100 hours already in Darktide

[devout axle]

That's okay. I have 200 hours in VT2, and those feel like baby hours when you realize that I have 160 hours in Darktide in just two weeks.

[acoustic spade]

wh40k setting + the music really make this game for me

compared to VT2

I was never such a big fan of WHFantasy

[mild lotus]

Darktide's OST is really a hard hit

I'm impatient to hear what they'll come up with in the future expansions

[lofty walrus]

VT and VT2 were Betas for 40k games

[mild lotus]

also, the scenery

I hope we get more missions in exterior

[devout axle]

Don't mind Warhammer fantasy, but it is just 'yet another fantasy setting'. 40k is such a unique setting when compared to other Scifi or Fantasy settings.

Also, yeah, the music in Vermintide wasn't particularly memorable.

[mild lotus]

Starcraft

[acoustic spade]

Starcraft is much cleaner

[lofty walrus]

Starcraft came after 40k

[devout axle]

Thing about Starcraft though, is that its just a high scifi setting. 40k is more of a fantasy setting set in the far future.

[acoustic spade]

its like someone removed most of the grit and grime of 40k

[devout axle]

Don't get me wrong, I do like Starcraft. But it's more standard Scifi than 40k.

[mild lotus]

Starcraft was quite literally just WH40k but different for some time

[lofty walrus]

40k is futuristic and ridiculous and I love it

[mild lotus]

Since the boys came from the same team

[hallow wave]

could never get reque to work

[acoustic spade]

the orkbois?

[lofty walrus]

Like what is this comissar gonna do with a sword on top of a tank

who knows but its badass

[devout axle]

He is going to be driven closer

So he can hit them with his sword.

[acoustic spade]

"Drive me closer so I can hit them with my sword"

[hot coral]

if someone tries to plant grenade in tank halo style

[mild lotus]

shank the mosquitoes

to protect his men

[lofty walrus]

I hope they would have eradicated mosquitoes by the 41st millennium

[acoustic spade]

So uhh I just did the math and

[mild lotus]

Ever heard of the tyrannids?

[lofty walrus]

I guess that's what that guy is for

[acoustic spade]

apparently I've been sleeping for like 13 hours already

[lofty walrus]

Swarmlord is coming for me now

[acoustic pine]

I feel like Nurgle would really like mosquitoes so that might be a bit hard

[acoustic spade]

so sleeping until darktide server up isnt gonna be that easy

[lofty walrus]

Darktide 2 vs nids? 👀

[acoustic spade]

what did Sienna even do in vt2

I cant remember

[polar gulch]

may I interest you in a drunken blackout

[devout axle]

She set stuff on fire and pretended to be a melee character if you were playing Unchained.

[mild lotus]

she blew up

[acoustic spade]

ah yes, drinking at 630am sounds like a healthy thing to do

[polar gulch]

don't think of it as early, but as very late

[devout axle]

It's always 5'o'clock somwhere.