psyker-class

[lofty walrus]

That's the great thing about games, there are so many builds

[solar remnant]

I thought damage done to carapace that doesnt pierce is always one damage?

[half river]

Very OP, psyker must be nerfed

[lofty walrus]

there is no wrong or right muhahaha

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/obviously-of-course-right-agree-agreed-gif-13158383

[eager wolf]

Imo bolter should be made more lore accurate, it should break the veteran’s arms after firing it a few times, downing them

[uncut violet]

Yes there is, when it comes to misinformation

[acoustic pine]

@mortal ingot like I've already said I've had an easy time running surge on 5, I tried purge on 5 with the same group and it was instantly way harder, only better on hordes of trash

[lofty walrus]

ok yes there's that

[devout axle]

Hit shields with anything, then hit a Crusher anywhere that isn't the head.

[mint orbit]

its a much smaller bolter than the ones SM's use

[half river]

Sibling 🥹

[glacial abyss]

sibling

[eager wolf]

Oh ok, only break one arm then

[fluid wren]

rapid firing deals 5 toughness damage per shot

[glacial abyss]

real psykers call each other sibling.

ong.

[bleak tulip]

look at it.
again.

[fluid wren]

ez balance

[burnt python]

ive tested every staff in 5. Purge is the only one that requires a specific build, as you suggest, to be good

[mortal ingot]

I mean with that logic ... no Psyker build can beat out a VET, Ogryn, Zealot.

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/brandon-barber-thug-thug-hunter-thug-shaker-barber-gif-25341425

[uncut violet]

That's the only thing I care about, Idgaf about opinons, I want numbers, but we ain't got shit on that until the excel sheets are finished and made public lmfao

[bleak tulip]

it negates damage, its still carapace

[burnt python]

and void still does the same job better, without dedicating the tree

[night marten]

The only staff that is in a truly bad spot is trauma, all the others are great at what they do, though I'm totally fine with people sleeping on purge or even saying it should be buffed

[lofty walrus]

bless those collecting data in the practice rooms

[acoustic pine]

@mortal ingot your strategy of "sprint at packs of ranged enemies and slide and hope they don't gun you down before you get in CC range (and that there aren't other ranged enemies in other pats of the area aggroed on you)" sounds like something coming from someone who has never gone above malice

[devout axle]

I've looked at your jpg. That doesn't make it accurate. Running a weapon that pierces Carapace, or does bonus damage to Carapace still isn't going to deal damage to the Bulwarks shield.

[tropic halo]

Yeah we can all clown on the trauma staff gang.

[olive ember]

Bolt gun not a bolter turns out there’s a difference

[bleak tulip]

the reason that the shield being carapace is important is that it can be penetrated by bolters and hit behind it

[uncut violet]

There's people collecting data in the game files actually, meat grinder isn't a real representation of values in raids, there's values that aren't the same

[fluid wren]

nerd

[eager wolf]

Yeah i got it, should only break their shoulder

[burnt python]

trauma isn't far off from being good, it needs to charge faster, leave an aoe behind, or not have falloff away from center, just a lil something at itwill be good

[acoustic pine]

@uncut violet because they are different or because of buffs and coherence bonuses?

[eager wolf]

And give them back pain on cold days

[burnt python]

knockdown is the best cc in the game

[olive ember]

Only learned of it a few days ago when someone went “yeah these are bolt guns a REAL BOLTER would do THIS” and yeah

[lofty walrus]

because of a bug or buffs?

[mortal ingot]

I will agree 100% on the void staff. And yes for sure purge needs a specific build. Its all i run most of the time. But thats about it.. i wish trauma was better.

[devout axle]

They both fire high velocity mortar shells, which is good enough for me.

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/sussy-cat-speed-up-fortnite-funny-gif-23483348

incomparable

mind

[uncut violet]

That, and apparently there are values that change in enemies thanks to the AI that controls enemies, they apply different values to enemies depending on how many people there are in the game, ratings etc

[burnt python]

If that's what you find fun, have at it man. But subjectively speaking, its not good

[half river]

It's not really about beating out. Not having a psyker on your team is a huge disadvantage. Regardless of the psyker's weapon choice, you now have someone who can reliably deal with burster, bulwark, crusher, gunner, your staff just makes you good at doing something without expending any ammo

[void anvil]

I feel like its important for people to realize that voidstrike scaling is not the same as how building stacks scale which is a primary source of damage for the purge staff. In lower difficulties voidstike obviously kills much faster but at higher difficulties (4 or 5) the enemies have a large enough health pool for the damage scaling of building stacks to begin to outpace the void staff (it seems to be summation afaik) which ends up killing comparatively fast compared to the void staff

[fluid wren]

https://tenor.com/view/kitr-pitr-insanity-insane-gif-22305272

[glacial abyss]

ong. very good take sibling you are a true psyker

[lofty walrus]

Imperial Guard have to mount bolters to a mount like mortars. They would tear your arms off real quick

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-cat-gif-22906544

[signal turret]

Enlightened Surge Staff users watching the debates of these lesser Psykers ☕

[harsh cobalt]

any chance other ranged weapons will synergize with psyker in the future apart from staves, maybe new unique ones?

[bleak tulip]

my brother in christ that data is pulled from the fuckin souce code

[glacial abyss]

ong. surge for real men.

[jade terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-gif-25364817

[bleak sonnet]

there should be a rule of 30 damnation clears on psyker to discuss balance

here

[uncut violet]

So the first factor is that the meat grinders difficulty modifiers are different from the mission table, as the meat grinder is considered a mission on its own that you join at random and hasn’t been accounted for with all changes made to the rest of the difficulties.

Second reason is no radial aura buffs from your Allie’s effecting you causing more inconsistencies, as some values behave differently with different weapons.

Final reason is that the goal keeper as the devs call it will makes adjustments and changes based on how many bots or humans are on your team, with there being neither it gives no modifiers. And until we know the exact modifiers we will have no idea going forward to account for it and min max. You can find all goalkeeper info on their previous discussions about it where they brag about it.

[burnt python]

surge is so boring imo, its clearly good but just doesnt feel fun to use for me. needs more oomph

[glacial abyss]

ong.

[olive ember]

Who wants to tell him about the 4 guardsman meta

[acoustic pine]

It just takes way too long to get good damage with stacks TBH compared to what other classes can do

[night marten]

they're not going to listen until they figure it out themselves. just let them keep saying purge is bad, it might get a free buff lol

[mortal ingot]

i honestly could of sworn you never been passed malice. A slide to range and CC locking them down... isnt a hard thing. You do have a team btw. But doing a simple slide into range and locking them down is a simple thing.

[uncut violet]

TLDR: Meat Grinder numbers are not real

[solar remnant]

Damn that sucks

[lofty walrus]

then you run into the issue of only balancing around pros (nerf city)

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/me-explaining-how-me-when-the-me-explaining-how-the-me-when-gif-21076981

this is me explaining how

[uncut violet]

This is why people like Jsat are pulling values and numbers from the game files, and putting together tables to actually understand how values work

Cus this shit is fucked LMAO

[mortal ingot]

brb soon taking doggie out.

[acoustic pine]

@mortal ingot "just slide into range" not like Damnation spawns packs of 20+ ranged enemies on the other side of large open areas or anything, or ranged enemies in different directions so if you "slide into range" of one pack there can be multiple other packs shooting you.

[devout axle]

And? Code that doesn't affect anything doesn't mean anything. I can write a piece of code that says "The ground beneath me is stone, and the ground to my left is grass" but if there is nothing to interact with those classifications, they are both just ground.

[trail garnet]

Kinda sad our ult only purges 50% now

[burnt python]

purge staff damage is conditional, which inherently makes it less reliable than other options. You aren't always gonna have an ult available with warp charges to blow

[olive ember]

It’s fine guys just run wte and then in half a year a “1000 HR 500 solo damnation clears” player will write out what the psyker meta is

[bleak sonnet]

all these horrible takes... thank god i am already the psyker in my squad

[night marten]

so purge should get a buff right?

[bleak tulip]

ok so the source code of the game doesnt matter.... for the game

alright

[burnt python]

I think soulflame needs a buff

[uncut violet]

LOL

[burnt python]

or whatever the hell its called

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/sogga-drip-sogga-drip-no-one-cares-hoodie-gif-21580588

[acoustic pine]

TBH I don't think purge needs a buff, yeah I think soulblaze needs a buff

[night marten]

nice, would be a direct buff to purge as well. I'm all for it

[acoustic pine]

the feats that is

[autumn marten]

Wrath

[olive ember]

Which staff you bring we are all gonna judge

[burnt python]

Ya'll acting like the staff is gonna be OP as if it will somehow be able to deal with shit more than 10 meters away all the sudden lol

[trail garnet]

imagine bringing a staff

[burnt python]

it SHOULD be strong in close quarters

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-smoking-gif-23151077

[bleak sonnet]

i use all of them depending on map and comp

[night marten]

you say that like it isn't

[bleak sonnet]

like a rational person

[acoustic pine]

Actually purge does need a buff

Make it so I can see what is happening in front of me while using the secondary

[trail garnet]

recon lasgun or bust

[burnt python]

It's not!!!!! it's fine, it's usable, it's not strong compared to other options

[olive ember]

That’s a cop-out answer REEEEEE

[night marten]

this is actually the best take

[burnt python]

can literally clear a point blank horde with void faster than purge, that isn't right

should not be that way

[devout axle]

Reposting this for anyone who missed it before.

https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWDaV43gA

[acoustic pine]

Depends on how dense the horde is and what you mean by "clear"

Void can knock them all down, but purge will kill them all faster

[signal turret]

A horde is a great opportunity to descend into glorious melee.

[acoustic pine]

^

[uncut violet]

Void strike still only clears hordes in lanes, the purgatus will apply cc and kill everything in a huge cone, they are just different

[acoustic pine]

I use surge and run a good anti horde melee

[olive ember]

Meh I’ll just let power sword cut them down and I’ll sit back and watch kek

[lofty walrus]

but getting 20 headshots at once

[night marten]

that does feel pretty damn good

[signal turret]

Another enlightened sibling. Love to see it.

[bleak sonnet]

surge + dueling sword enjoyer

[olive ember]

Force sword right? Right?

[acoustic pine]

force sword is bad vs horde

[trail garnet]

i only switch to the void staff when i get bored of the recon lasgun

[lofty walrus]

Do we have any melee with cleave? I've only been looking at force swords

[acoustic pine]

Combat Axe MkV

[trail garnet]

Dueling swords cleave

[burnt python]

dueling sword goat

[keen meteor]

I can't not run the Surge at Heresy+ The stun is too good.

[acoustic pine]

Combat Axe MkV is like the best cleave and best singletarget outside of chain/force special

[uncut violet]

I don't even equip a ranged weapon tbh. I just use a force sword with deflector and run at everyone with special attack while deflecting bullets

[keen meteor]

Being able to stun a charging mutie, ragers, anything without a Health Bar basically.

[signal turret]

I run force sword simply for the special on it and Deflector perk.

[acoustic pine]

Well Combat Axe Mk 8 has better singletarget but cleave is bleh

[signal turret]

I make it work but im absolutely swapping to Force Greatsword on release lol.

[trail garnet]

brain burst is all the single target youll ever need

[signal turret]

Gotta be super on point with your block shoves but the muscle memory comes quick.

[burnt python]

MkV axe is good but dueling sword lets me dance circles around anything, which is way more fun

[night marten]

force sword special is one of the best pieces of the psyker kit imo

[signal turret]

Heresy sibling, quell your peril

[keen meteor]

This. I run a mk8 Axe and Surge. Its nice to have the single target overhead for flak armored mobs that slip past.

[uncut violet]

How to spot a t3 only Psyker

[solar loom]

Voidstrike staff is the most fun staff to use. It actually makes you feel like you are conjuring up extremely powerful psychic attacks as long as you don't try to hurt a boss with it.

[lofty walrus]

you over estimate my braincells

[void anvil]

Hold on, I have one irreputable fact that makes purgatas the best staff... you. can blind. the veteran. He cant steal your elite kill if he cant see it

[trail garnet]

I play heresey difficulty lol

[olive ember]

Honestly that’s the best reason I’ve heard so far

[bleak sonnet]

you can also crash your bad teammates game sometimes, or your own

[acoustic pine]

@keen meteor mkV barely does less damage and has way more cleave

You can 1tap flak guys on damnation at like 2 warp charges

[keen meteor]

I like the 8's attack pattern.

[devout axle]

tbh, I stopped running Force Sword for a long time until I got one with Deflector. The Special on it is really strong, but having a melee weapon that is only really good at one thing is pretty sus. Deflector gave it a very powerful second niche that makes it worth it, tho.

[uncut violet]

I love charging 2 brainbursts for 10 seconds on a Pox Hound when my Vet just looks at it for 2 seconds and it dies

[gleaming imp]

People still crash because of Purg? I had one dude who it happened to, but that was at the beginning of the beta.

[signal turret]

This is what Purgatus staff does for me 100% of the time.

[tropic halo]

we talking rapiers? because I'm confused on which rapier is the best

[acoustic pine]

I was out of town playing on steam deck and purgatus was a 100% crash lol

[trail garnet]

You use the charge reduction level 30 talent, right?

[olive ember]

So anyone know if we are actually getting a force greatsword? Lots of talk about one

[lost pike]

voidstrike and Surge are my favorites. Fire is good but I dont like not having some sort of range bolt

[night marten]

I actually have one as well, but haven't forced myself to get in the habit of using the perk

[signal turret]

The weird part is that i've played with plenty of other Psykers using Purg with no issues. The second I try to use Purg myself, straight to desktop.

[uncut violet]

[trail garnet]

idk what that means

do you or dont you

[acoustic pine]

I just surge pox hound then melee 2x

[uncut violet]

No I'm a chad DoT build user

[olive ember]

Just use surge ez

[gleaming imp]

Based.

[trail garnet]

Recon lasgun with the 10% chance to brainburst every 15seconds is also another good combo, people say ANY weapon has good synergy with the brainburst talent because of the 15second cooldown, but high rate of fire weapons have an advantage because you are guaranteed to proc the burst when you try to proc it

[olive ember]

Visual Disgust

[uncut violet]

And also justifying needing 2 bb's on a pox hound and 4 bb's on a mutant just cus you have charge time reduction on your feat is just... Man..

[olive ember]

I mean yeah but surge and flamer staff both proc often, as do melee on hordes it’s not a standalone combo

[half river]

Are you telling me you use something more than just kenetic transfer for soul blaze?

[lost pike]

Id rather use a surge staff with the 10% chance to bb perk

[acoustic pine]

I think BB needs a rework where instead of it charging up and hitting 900, it should be like 100 200 300 300 for 900 total in the same time, and let you keep holding it to keep doing 300.

[void anvil]

true meta is just to take the passive %chance to brainburst and use a gun to shoot elites to proc the brain burst on elite/killing elite etc abilities

this is the new way

convert or be a heretic

[trail garnet]

i mean thats what i do, quite often

[uncut violet]

Buff BB by instead of it being a brain burst, we actually just whip out a Boltgun, then we'll be fixed

[safe mountain]

Fun fact bb damage gets reduced by head armour and soulblaze damage by body armour.

[tropic halo]

I use my rapier to do that often tbh

[burnt python]

some dude had a good suggestion earlier. Let BB consume warp charges for big dmg boost

[summer sage]

As Psyker you dont want to fight horde with melee weapon but with range staffs. Other classes cant fight every horde with their range weapons because of amunition, but Psykers can spam aoe staffs attacks without end and that is what Psyker suppose to do vs hordes.

Melee is reserved for blocking and killing elites in close range.

[burnt python]

gives warp charges and BB a purpose at high difficulties

[olive ember]

Let’s just make push our brain burst and our special ability We whip out a force bolt gun and get one full clip

[devout axle]

That's just playing a Veteran D:

[lost pike]

give force sword special warp charges on kills

[void anvil]

why do you want to hurt us 😔

[lofty walrus]

Yeah I personally use void 24/7 but was just curious

[gleaming imp]

Change the brainburst soulfire perk and just make brainburst aoe within 3 meters. That would be balanced. 🙃

[uncut violet]

I'll just say it again, BB = Brain Burst -> BB = Ball Bust

[trail garnet]

The problem with this in my opinion is you arent necessarily going to be able to control who the brain bursted target is if you are relying on say the Area of Effect abilities to proc it, with high rate of fire single target weapons you can ensure the brain burst is applied to exactly the target you want to hit

[acoustic pine]

Yeah soulblaze does literally no damage on crushers

[uncut violet]

Give Psykers the Ball Bust ability and we will be the best class in the game

[burnt python]

BB targets the testicles for critical dmg

[summer sage]

Probably best cleave you have in basic sword, but staffs are the best to fight hordes.

[tropic halo]

We already do have it. It's just on ourselves though.

[trail garnet]

I tried a staff + soul blaze combo, was super underwhelming and immediately switched back

[bronze sierra]

real talk being a psyker habing 203 hp is great

[safe mountain]

Yeah just stacks up to 33 damage max per tick.

[olive ember]

I suppose so but 9 times out of 10 if I rly need to prioritize a target I’ll just use my ability and then manually brain burst while everyone around me is on the floor

[half river]

Do you think they'll fix the soul blaze bug at launch

[burnt python]

what bug?

[lofty walrus]

it's bugged?

[acoustic pine]

what bug?

[night marten]

I hope they improve damage and/or stacking rate

[devout axle]

Probably the bug of it being really bad

[burnt python]

lmao

[uncut violet]

The bug is you accidentally equiped a purgatus staff instead of the void strike, really annoying

[peak sundial]

class feels like a bug hehe

[olive ember]

Imagine it’s actually overperforming and damage supposed to stack linearly

[acoustic pine]

yeah can it just be 20 damage per stack instead of some dumb exponential damage where it does 5 damage per stack at 4 stacks

[summer sage]

I wonder if they gonna add more psykinetic perks. \

[uncut violet]

Almost nothing stacks lineraly in this game

[lost pike]

i think the cd on the 10% chance to BB could be lowered to like 10s

[trail garnet]

Another big reason i tend to not use staffs is it makes peril management more difficult, definitely a skill issue for sure but its just not a preference of mine having to worry about exploding

[uncut violet]

There's fucking stats that stack multiplicatively with themselves man

[acoustic pine]

"stats"

[night marten]

this guy made a bug post on the entire psyker kit https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-feats-kit-in-desperate-need-of-a-redesign/58769

[acoustic pine]

I mean it's multiple stats

[tepid nest]

Does no one else crash when they use the purge staff? So many people are talking it up, but I get booted the moment I use it lol.

[acoustic pine]

It's just scaled by the same bar

[lofty walrus]

allow me to introduce void staff with quell on headshot

[uncut violet]

What

[half river]

Soul blaze causes at 40% increase of damage taken. This effect stacks in some way that causes stacks of soul blaze to scale massively after you get past like 3 applications of kinetic transfer. At the 4th application it does way more damage than it should and then it's just actually insane on the 5th, 6th, etc

[lost pike]

void with quell is fun.

[burnt python]

The exponential scaling is super weird imo, forces you to sell out your whole build to utilize 1 mechanic

[trail garnet]

sounds beautiful where can i get me one of these

[acoustic pine]

I assumed you were talking about weapon bars that have multiple multiplicative substats

[uncut violet]

No I mean you can find one stat multiplied by itself multiple times in one damage calculation

[lofty walrus]

shop rng 🙃

[uncut violet]

A big one is armor damage modifier

[acoustic pine]

No it doesn't, that's false info spread by someone misreading numbers

[uncut violet]

It stacks multiplicatively with itself

[bronze sierra]

i mean i dotn even use BB with my manual targetting

[trail garnet]

i almost miss the loot crate rng of vermintide 2 lol

[half river]

Ehh you only really need kinetic transfer IMO

[bronze sierra]

i actually dont pull it out at all

[acoustic pine]

@uncut violet what do you mean?

[night marten]

pro tip for anyone thinking about specific blessings, if you spot a weapon with one in the store, just pick it up so that you can use the crafting system later to swap it onto your main weapons

[uncut violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw

Have fun

[void anvil]

i love the fact that we all generally have acknowledged our class is underpowered but are still willing to argue over the best staff in the worst class

[burnt python]

does soulblaze actually increase dmg taken? I've seen it thrown around but not any actual tests

wouldnt it be fucking nice if fatshark just told us what things do

[acoustic pine]

@uncut violet I've watched that, I don't recall anything like what you're talking about

[tropic halo]

We're all in this misery together, siblings

[lofty walrus]

I mean we play it, might as well discuss

[uncut violet]

The armor damage modifer variable, it multiplies with itself twice in the same damage tick calculation

[trail garnet]

Its a different playstyle that i enjoy, i dont exactly care if im the strongest player on the field

[half river]

It, at the very least, increases the damage that other stacks of soul blaze does. I haven't actually tested it with normal shit

[brave robin]

Psyker is really strong on t3, but on t4 she falls short because brain burst is only half as effective, which makes it borderline useless compared to gun toting classes

[lofty walrus]

oh thank fuck, I thought it was going to be random rerolls

[uncut violet]

I was just saying that nothing scales linearly in this game, everything is multiplicative, including some stats that apply multiplicatively with itself

[night marten]

check out their post on crafting, should definitely be able to cannibalize weapons for whatever perks you're hunting for

[burnt python]

idk how you could possibly isolate that variable vs just assuming the soul blaze stacks are exponential in nature

[lost pike]

I have a voidstaff with 3.5% quell on weak hit.

goes from like 50% to 0 in hordes

[burnt python]

i believe my void has 6% quell on hs

[boreal wave]

I know the surge staff is arguably one of our best staves along with the void staff. But has anyone else noticed that it can be really finnicky about whether or not it's going to shoot out at enemies above or below you? I've tried to shoot people that are below me from a catwalk many times and it just doesn't get to them.

[lost pike]

damn

[burnt python]

Its extremely j anky w/ vertical targeting, and also handrails are its nemesis

[lofty walrus]

like through the floor?

[signal turret]

You've learned about the great enemy... Elevation.

[void anvil]

a repeated attack of the void staff is linear damage, a repeated attack of the purge staff is not bc of soulflame stacks

[uncut violet]

Guard Rails in 40k actually guard against the warp

[boreal wave]

Teach me how to overcome this threat, sibling

[tropic halo]

How crazy would I be to kinda go all in on using the F button and actually use the psy wrath perk at 30 with the one that gives you 15 percent with every elite kill? I could effectively be using the F key almost three times as much without losing too much use of my staff powers, no?

[lofty walrus]

is there a trait that guarantees soulflame or are you talking about a soulflame blessing?

[lost pike]

Is the fire from the purge staff soulflame or is that a different kind of flame? maybe dumb question

[uncut violet]

It is

[night marten]

it's soulfire

[lost pike]

alright, thanks

[void anvil]

purgatas staff applies soulflame stacks always, which will proc any related abilities

[uncut violet]

It can proc feats related to soulblaze

[olive ember]

You would need to generate warp stacks to get the cooldown

[lost pike]

good to know

[uncut violet]

Err soulflame whatever the kark it is

[burnt python]

only if they die to the soulblaze, not the direct damage, right?

[lofty walrus]

I run the one that depletes my warpcharges combined with coherency, i have it up like 24/7

[half river]

Because there is no rhyme or reason to how it increases from the 1st stack, to the 2nd stack, to the 3rd stack. From the 1st to 2nd it's a SLIGHT damage increase and then only notable for the 3rd. This implies that it is increasing itself based on how many it applied and not based on an exponent

[lofty walrus]

oh I see, I mixed up soulflame and soulblaze

[valid wigeon]

Personally I'd love a force spear or halberd. 😄

[lost pike]

yea, same. lmao

[signal turret]

Only the Emperor can deliver us from the dark genius of Chaos standing 3 feet above or below us.

[tropic halo]

that's not too hard with a surge staff, and the 10 percent BB and the 4 percent coherency.

[devout axle]

Elder spy detected.

[void anvil]

hold on is it soulblaze or soulflame

[half river]

Blaze

[burnt python]

That sounds like exponential to me... 1 > 2 > 4 > 16 etc, or do the numbers not add up in that way

[night marten]

one is a damage type, the other is a blessing, or something.... can't load the game to check

[olive ember]

the 15% cooldown is in the same line as the 4% coherency iirc so you can only choose one or the other

[acoustic pine]

@uncut violet not seeing anything here that said armor mod is applies twice

[lost pike]

so, the perk that causes the fire to spread on elite BBs, is the same fire that the purge staff spews out

[uncut violet]

Wait yes burn stacks do not apply damage linearly btw I read that argument late but I don't know if that's what you guys are talking about

[tropic halo]

Oooh

right

... hm.

[boreal wave]

By the Throne, He who resides on Terra. This Chaos treachery gives way to calamity.

[lofty walrus]

im tryna figure out what DoT build you guys are building other than the natural one from purg lol

[uncut violet]

The variable is there twice

[night marten]

yea pretty sure it's all the same stuff. literally anything fire coming from the psyker is going to be the same soulfire stuff (at least that's how I understand it since I've been using purge staff)

[lost pike]

ok, thank you

[uncut violet]

Once being additive to the finesse variable, and that sum being multiplied by the armor mod additive to the crit mod variable

[deft tusk]

Everyone still should be watching that video because man, the UI fucking sucks at items.

Doing the Emperors work there, man

[uncut violet]

I know, I'm waiting for more from Jsat

[acoustic pine]

@uncut violet you're just looking at the formula? It's there twice because the armor mod influences the finesse and crit multipliers.

[uncut violet]

It's stupid that this is what it takes to understand the weapons stats lol

[signal turret]

Jsat is absolutely in the top 5% of EVE online players

[uncut violet]

I don't know if I can find the timestamp but I am pretty sure he says it in the video as well

[deft tusk]

Indeed, I've played since 2010 and that's why I am an Excel nerd and Excel nerds are life and Excel nerds are love.

[burnt python]

in the postgame press conference, soul flame said "2 points isn't 2 points, i'll explain later" then never spoke again

fatshark gets off on our quest for numbers

[lost pike]

Does anyone use any melee weapon other than the force sword? I feel like I dont want to use anything else. I tried the sawblade and was not a fan.

[burnt python]

dueling swords are dope

[deft tusk]

My experience, the force sword is my crutch

[uncut violet]

A lot of people use dueling sword but personally I am only using force sword cus it's sick af

[tropic halo]

Dueling sword here

[lost pike]

I love dodging mutants with a powered up force sword and slapping them in the ass

[half river]

It does not add up that way. It was extremely confusing trying to think of a way to rationalize how the calculation is coming up with the numbers. The thing that a friend theorized is that the damage increase is increased by 40% everytime there's a new application of soul blaze. So 40%, then 56%, then 78%, 109%, etc

[burnt python]

Ahh unnecessarily convoluted, sounds about right lol

maybe one day we will know

[uncut violet]

1 shotting maulers with a force sword is just so unecessary and so satisfying

[void anvil]

i made an infographic to help any undercover ogryns

[night marten]

open with BB, dodge as they rush past and special sword them for the kill. so good

[deft tusk]

Apparently the Excel bad boi has actual sources for the formulas

[burnt python]

is there 1 sympathetic dev feeding jsat some numbers

[deft tusk]

We'll see when the warp calculators come up

[wide current]

Force Sword best sword cause you can quell with it and with that power up to boot? Shiiiiiet

[uncut violet]

Code diving, pulling it directly from the game files presumably

He uses the variables named in the code of the game

[lofty walrus]

decompiler cave diving

[uncut violet]

It's really interesting

[deft tusk]

No lmao

[burnt python]

Ah I was under the impression that noone was able to do so yet, but that is way outside of my skillset lol

[uncut violet]

Isn't that why he says they are named that way in the game

[proven wedge]

I am pretty sure I saw a force greatsword in the psyker reveal, so besides that. Are there any specific weapons from lore that you guys would want added?

[uncut violet]

Where else would he get them

[deft tusk]

You're going to do hex fucking with that kind of stuff if you have even the slightest intention as a dev to obscure your numbers

But that's heresy and we don't do that here, do we?

[burnt python]

i suddenly feel threatened

[lofty walrus]

if he's decompiling he's going through hex, yes

[uncut violet]

But that is why he calls it a "Code confirmed" guide no?

[night marten]

god a force greatsword would be amazing

[deft tusk]

That'd require a developer to submit the source

[void anvil]

inb4 idapro and wireshark

[safe mountain]

The force sword special one shotting maulers only on body hit and not on headshot is also weird af.

[lofty walrus]

we have the source on our computers

well

[void anvil]

well just have to buff ourselves then...

[burnt python]

he just used a gameshark

[lofty walrus]

if its server side damage calculation

[deft tusk]

Otherwise you could just pull the numbers straight out of CE or something

[lofty walrus]

then nvm

[uncut violet]

LOL

[half river]

Indeed. Just how vermintide used a bazier curve to calculate crit/headshot, perhaps one day we will find out they use String Theory to calculate soul blaze damage

[uncut violet]

But still, where does he get the variable names and such then

He is reading them out as they would be in code

"diminishing_return_distance_modifier"

[deft tusk]

That's how you name variables

[lofty walrus]

if he hasn't been handed the sourcecode, then decompiling

[deft tusk]

wtf

[half river]

He could be making up variables. It doesn't matter what the name of a variable is

[deft tusk]

😄

[uncut violet]

Well obviously how he would acquire these things is much outside of my skillset as well

But then what does he mean "code confirmed"

[night marten]

pretty sure they're using cert pinning, so I'm guessing you have to bypass easyAC protection to actually look at really interesting things over the network

[void anvil]

I have come up with an accurate simulation that shows that soulflame damage is inversely proportional to the number of veterans on your team. The more veterans, the less time the enemy has to live, the less stacks and DOT achieved. Its quite simple really

[deft tusk]

I mean you can be a proper man and make a variable that reads drdmmw and that would mean diminishing_return_distance_modifier_melee_weapons if you're a nerd that cares about code maintenance

[lofty walrus]

It's not a standardized term so whatever he means by that is what you have to go with lol

[uncut violet]

And again, he calls the variable "disgustingly_resilient" but the display of that variable is "infested", why would he not just call it infested...?

[safe mountain]

Didn't he also say something about Ragers being called Maniacs?

[uncut violet]

Exactly

[burnt python]

I believe you are asking questiosn only jsat can answer

[deft tusk]

Indeed

[bleak sonnet]

@blissful karma

answer

[deft tusk]

But the fact is, his numbers probably add up and I love Excel nerds

[lofty walrus]

Most of the time what the UI shows and what the backend has the values as are different

[burnt python]

now we just need him to dedicate his next 80 waking hours to soulflame calcs

[lofty walrus]

They've been writing the game for a while and if someone decides to call a mob something else, they most likely will just keep the old name in the backend

[uncut violet]

I just assumed that he calls it "code confirmed", and has variables named differently than how they are displayed, that he somehow has access to the actual code or files

[half river]

Because that's what it would be in the table-top game so yeah I think he's just making up the names which is fine and doesn't matter

[deft tusk]

It's the same engine as is in VT2, is it not?

[uncut violet]

I never played VT2

Is he just renaming them

[void anvil]

probably but I wouldnt mention any details on what you'd have to do, could see it being an issue

[terse sable]

I need to solo a monstrosity

[uncut violet]

Or using the names from VT2

[deft tusk]

You'd get rekt by absolutely every company

I mean, lets see about the warp calculator tomorrow 😄

[uncut violet]

Then I just want to know what he means by code confirmed

[deft tusk]

The UI is dogshit and does nothing but mislead in my opinion

[uncut violet]

Guess I was wrong assuming that's how he got his values

[lofty walrus]

that's something only he knows

[uncut violet]

[deft tusk]

That's the source code you have uncompiled...

I mean it's not very unheard of that a CM would provide a prominent actually intelligent dude with more information than your average youtuber

[burnt python]

yeah that seems like a plausible way he got this data

[deft tusk]

It happens a lot in niche games

[true shadow]

fatshark exposes a lot of data in lua.

[lofty walrus]

What a great way to not need tech writers

just have the community do it for you

[deft tusk]

That's how you get a good community

[true shadow]

if you've never looked at vermintide 2 modding you should go check aussiemon on github to see what i mean

[deft tusk]

I find it baffling that no mod support for this game lol

[dense swan]

Is the flame staff still causing crashes when used with a controller?

[burnt python]

very disappointing

[deft tusk]

Oh well, one more post on off-topic from this channel, Project Reality: Battlefield 2 had a massive amount of things hooked through a buggy code in the reload animation. The nerds will find a way without SDK.

[true shadow]

damn shame release hour is 1pm est

[deft tusk]

Less than a day, then we can see if we get bigger better swords.

[true shadow]

we do btw

[proven wedge]

behold bigger sword

[burnt python]

big swords are cool

[true shadow]

if you haven't seen it in the two trailers its in, im fairly certain i saw references to it when looking through some stuff

[cyan echo]

Ya sure I think its just the held swing of the force sword?

[deft tusk]

I'm looking towards monday and friday right now

[true shadow]

different hilt and guard

[cyan echo]

Remaining hopeful then!

[true shadow]

different blade too

[proven wedge]

Nah, has a different moveset. Quadruple checked because I didn't want to get myself excited.

[true shadow]

that too

[weak galleon]

I still wish there was a second version of Force Sword with previous stats - with a slight buff.
i.e., peril cost on push, but also same high aoe as it was back then.

[true shadow]

when i get home ill go check again 🙂

[cyan echo]

where is that screen from?

[proven wedge]

It didn't show any psyker ability with it in the trailer. Probably wasn't ready, hence why it wasn't in the beta as well.

[deft tusk]

Behold, 100% more weapons for psykers in the melee slot

[true shadow]

yea i just have work is all

[night marten]

that aoe was really nice for sure, even worth the 4% peril imo

[proven wedge]

psyker reveal trailer, gamespot.

[acoustic pine]

They could just make it a blessing

[terse sable]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-magic-magician-skull-power-gif-17304559

[acoustic pine]

Peril cost and push range

[terse sable]

I'm a psyker I use my mind bullets

[deft tusk]

That's not even a tradeoff

[true shadow]

there's a lot of really cool stuff they're working on for psykers actually

[uncut violet]

That's telekenesis, Kyle.

[cyan echo]

the Class Spotlight?

[acoustic pine]

@deft tusk ?

[deft tusk]

It's just going to be a buff again 😄

[proven wedge]

How about the power
To move you

[lost pike]

Space Gandalf

[true shadow]

peril cost is actually good

[weak galleon]

Would rather have it as a separate sword. Without taking the slot for blessing.
...can then have peril quell on weakspot hit and anti-ranged forceshield on it too.

[night marten]

I don't have any experience with that anyway, just enough to realize getting useful info would be against the rules and to leave it at that

[acoustic pine]

It would be cool if we got a force melee that was actually good as a melee weapon outside of the special attack

[deft tusk]

Indeed, ties into the class

[night marten]

link for that shot?

[true shadow]

ties into the bonus damage

[proven wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkB3Al45auA&ab_channel=GameSpotTrailers

[glacial abyss]

ijdhahawuhduhawduhawdudwAUWAUJDWAUWAUAWD

what the hell!!!!!!

[true shadow]

just like deflection does

[glacial abyss]

bigger sword.

[proven wedge]

I didn't know if links were allowed. Sorry if not.

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/got-it-hold-it-take-it-grab-it-focus-gif-16072779

[true shadow]

yea bigger sword

[deft tusk]

I've been posting links

[proven wedge]

Neato 💪

[true shadow]

some other really cool stuff they've hinted at

and not shown

and some other stuff they haven't shown at all

but we'll see as classes for psyker

😉

[honest frigate]

Lol thats just the heavy sword weapon the zealot has now. Idk how people didnt notice

[proven wedge]

There's a plethora of fun stuff to draw from. It's gonna be good.

[cyan echo]

Ork Weirdboy confirmed as Psyker subclass

Foot of Gork

[deft tusk]

"Man if I could've just had a little bit more time to finish up just that one feature" is the bane of developing anything on a computer

[noble ridge]

Me sitting here hoping I can use my cool white flame staff without crashing when full game drops

[fair garnet]

good!

[true shadow]

its mostly stuff thst won't be released for months

like classes

but they're all really cool from the stuff i looked through

[acoustic pine]

wait wtf is that thing with the purgatus at the end of the trailer

Where they explode the pack

[deft tusk]

Yeah and 90% of the mostly work done will be just coalesced into a single class

[honest frigate]

Thats the barrel exploding

[acoustic pine]

Oh

[honest frigate]

lol

They timed it really well

[true shadow]

nah there's at least two unique classes for each archetype that are half finished rn i think

[acoustic pine]

wait are you sure? I see no barrel

[true shadow]

or just undergoing iteration

[deft tusk]

They've probably got like 10 different subclasses at that stage

[true shadow]

maybe ill show a bit when im home around 12 40 est

[deft tusk]

It's an immense amount of work to get even a single class working that doesn't simply fall through wall because one class specific weapon had some weird value issued to it in a pointer lol

[gleaming imp]

There was shooting off screen to the left. It's probably a sharpshooter grenade.

[acoustic pine]

nvm there's a barrel, it's only on screen for 2 frames

[terse sable]

lol whoops

[night marten]

badass in the making

[honest frigate]

Crystal clear image

[void anvil]

pixels so sharp that psyker might do decent damage 🤔🤔

[terse sable]

I shrunk previous picture with my mind

[honest frigate]

Heresy

[rapid cypress]

Karkin’ heck 🥵

[lost pike]

im sensing rage, fear and foreshortened lifespans...

[honest frigate]

Sorcery is heresy

[tawny nacelle]

wait why is my psyker in the releasse trailer? 😮

[honest frigate]

Four shortened lifespans

[lost pike]

No, not... four shortened life spans. I said foreshortened lifespans! Why are you not paying attention? Look at me, not them!

[night marten]

I'm always down for a selfie thread

[signal turret]

Imagine not staying in your prison drip

[lost pike]

no hood yet

[woven wigeon]

My game bugged and didnt let me keep my prison shirt

It's very sad

[polar gulch]

same here kurble

pants only

[night marten]

with hair that good you don't need one

[polar gulch]

which is really pants tbh

[tawny nacelle]

ngl, im just going to like be awake for as long as possible so i can sleep all day and then game when i wake up, cause i dont have a job

[twilit folio]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[night marten]

got a solid stat purge staff, but have to wait until I can replace the blessings to really make it shine

[lost pike]

https://tenor.com/view/yanatwt-gif-22814884

me at work tomorrow

[tawny nacelle]

the only perk of having so bad mental health ur on disability, is that i can actually play while u work

guess that's what u get to be a battery for our lord, the god emperor of mankind

[night marten]

was going to say, that's almost thematic with the psyker

[tawny nacelle]

yeah, i guess i chose the right class huh ;D

[deft tusk]

The login servers are probably gonna get Slaneesh'd for half a day so you're gonna be missing out

[torpid hemlock]

😤😤 got my drip sorted, use the styges black hood now tho

[night marten]

yea there's no way the launch has zero problems with login lol

[lost pike]

Probably true.

[honest frigate]

Thats cool. How exactly do i manage the two impossible penances again?

[deft tusk]

With the magic of friendship, everything is possible!

[polar gulch]

just get frienz -fatshark

[honest frigate]

I dont have friends

[torpid hemlock]

Yes friendship

[deft tusk]

Except to get to that stage, you need to not have friends but have friends who also do not have friends

[sour bison]

no friends - no drip

[elfin crystal]

i wish you could still see your hair with the hood and not just be bald

[deft tusk]

No flaming, I fly spaceships in an excel simulator regularly

[torpid hemlock]

All true psyker players are bald

[elfin crystal]

😔

[deft tusk]

Are you saying that psykers are TRVU KVLT

[torpid hemlock]

Witness your doom perhaps

[honest frigate]

Im bald from the frustrations i have to endure

[polar gulch]

omg you misspelled trve, not very kvlt of you

[torpid hemlock]

Not a true psyker player

You haven’t gone bald through your sheer power

[fathom zealot]

underneath my hair I am bald

[terse sable]

I can't dispute that

[lost pike]

My psyker went through a few iterations.

[fathom zealot]

how do you get these red face bandanas, do they come with the pysker penance that gives you the red hood. I saw ogryn with one aswell

[torpid hemlock]

Level 2 headgear penance yes

[ebon sedge]

any1 have a screen shot of lvl 3 headgear penanced?

[torpid hemlock]

I do yes 1 sec

[honest frigate]

Psyker penances are so annoyingnnngngng

[fathom zealot]

lvl 2? Whenever you complete the 1st red hood penance it gives you a second one to complete for the bandana mask?

[lunar crater]

is that color purchasable? i like that much better than the red

[torpid hemlock]

This was pre me getting malleus monstronum lol

[polar gulch]

psykers get the best imperial edition headpiece, it's the only one with the popped collar

[ebon sedge]

glasses, nice

[polar gulch]

others just get the face mask

[finite lynx]

by suffering

[torpid hemlock]

Yes then a third

[signal turret]

Is that chest armor from the terrible heresy BB penance?

[fathom zealot]

Damnnnn thats crazy, I had no idea

[torpid hemlock]

Yeah malleus monstronum

It’s very easy if you do it right

[night marten]

After release I'm sure you'll be able to jump in here and ask for assistance

[signal turret]

How did you do it without volunteering to become a duracell for the Emperor

[ebon sedge]

omg I've just realized you have to do Malleus Monstronum for lvl 3 cape

[signal turret]

That penance seems terrible, BB damage is so bad on heresy

[slate trench]

Strange question, boys. Do you all feel like psyker should also get a grenade slot, like the other 3 classes?

[polar gulch]

yes

[torpid hemlock]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2894637343

I wrote a guide enjoy

[terse sable]

Psyker would be OP with grenade

[bleak tulip]

let me guess, loner voice

[signal turret]

You dropped this

[lost pike]

yep

[signal turret]

👑

[slate trench]

malleus is the easiest achievement you can only get with an actual squad

[night marten]

no, providing they fix BB scaling (or just rework it to be more effective at high difficulties)

[finite lynx]

dont tell them the secret to our coveted black chest

[ebon sedge]

I feel that BB should be special on staves or the BB should be castable with anything you have in hand by holding granade button

[bleak tulip]

he does look it

[slate trench]

if BB scaled with difficulty, then no

[lost pike]

but now he looks like Gandalf so not sure if Loner voice fits but oh well

[slate trench]

but currently, BB is so laughable compared to not only the other classes' GRENADES, but their ults

[coral cave]

psykers lowkey need a hordeclear warp melee

[tropic halo]

your psyker looked like he came out of prison and got a job. good stuff.

[lost pike]

lmao

[slate trench]

also i am so sorry i shall post psyker drip ASAP

[fathom zealot]

this guide has solved all my problems now

[tropic halo]

mines looks like she came from mid 2000 emo days BRING ME BACK TO LIIIFEEEE

[night marten]

they did such a good job with the psyker aesthetic, just incredible looking stuff

[slate trench]

ogryn looks the worst

[tropic halo]

I chose to be a psyker BECAUSE of the drip

[slate trench]

all their armor is just a tanktop + more straps 😛

[spice oar]

finally weve stopped talking about staves, and about what really matters

[slate trench]

YES

i chose to be a psyker because the peril management sounded really fun

but psyker do got the best cosmetics for sure

the only problem is compared to other 40k psykers, ours looks like the DVR repairman

[bleak tulip]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z7vxbi/psykers_bb_and_charges_the_numbers_tell_you_that/ here's a fzb oist from a few days ago

tl;dr: charges barely do shit for BB

[polar gulch]

bullgryns can look really sick in the tabletop, but that'll be a whole other class no doubt

[slate trench]

mhmhmhm

oh i knew

only use for charges include peril resistance, and venting them all with F so you can go sanctioned mode

[night marten]

you're not wrong, though they're useful for the other feats that leverage them (though that doesn't mean I think you should be spending a lot of effort maintaining them)

[slate trench]

warp charges mechanic needs an extreme rework

[tawny nacelle]

yeah its purchesable for like a total of 260k

[slate trench]

without any perks, i feel like charges should be the difference between a glorious victory, and being brain sludge

[glacial abyss]

john darktide

[slate trench]

john darktide

[lunar crater]

yeah very ridiculous hopefully i can buy it once i have a set of weapons i like. its very nice looking

[gilded lion]

I ignore them. More up time on the ankle popper staff.

[slate trench]

hi yollim

[gilded lion]

bonjourno

[tawny nacelle]

yaaas, though if u bought and played the beta, then u'll have very nice drip at launch 😉

[fathom zealot]

Have you tried the surge staff, and what is your opinion on it between the purge staff. I am lvl 22 with psyker and still have not gotten it from the fucking shop.

[slate trench]

my name is actually john so do you have any idea how often i am referred to by my slave name, john souls?

my pronouns are john rings, john elden ring, and john darktide tyvm

[glacial abyss]

lmao

[bleak tulip]

point to me was mostly that the 6 charge trait is actually worse than I thought because it doesnt make a lick of difference on damnation for bb, and inevitably requires more work to keep the charges up because youre skipping kinetic flayer for it

[night marten]

all staffs are pretty good in different situations, except for trauma staff which is just ok at best and needs work (you need to spec feats appropriately for a good purge staff experience imo)

[bleak sonnet]

putge staff supreme

[slate trench]

surge staff gang

[lunar crater]

oh yeah that dumb safety helmet we get? i can't wait. i will be prothected

[slate trench]

all my homies hate purgatus

[bleak sonnet]

all your homies fail t5 clears

couldnt be me

[gilded lion]

use the BB chance on hit talent. works with ranged too. one AOE into a horde is usually enough to get 1.

[bleak tulip]

yes

[tawny nacelle]

this thing 😉

[bleak tulip]

its just that we had some experts come in saying 6 charges is good for BB and now I stumble over this post

[dim pier]

Do you know if BB on hit also triggers on brain burst for a double brain burst?

[ruby karma]

I wonder what the beta psykana helm looks like

[gilded lion]

Cant recall. It's all so wonky.

[tawny nacelle]

my guess its the one from the trailer, over ur eyes

[ruby karma]

Sure, everyone will have one. But, I think itll be cooool

[night marten]

6 charges is good for additional warp damage from staff, more ranged damage resist, and those last two charges giving you a hefty bump in damage if you're using Ascendant Blaze feat. not to mention that damage bump resulting in way more kills, and therefore more charges coming right back

[bleak tulip]

not psykana specifically but the gist

[lunar crater]

i thought it was this lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/981629780313128980/1047209003949752482/Screenshot_20221129-185246_Reddit.jpg

[bleak tulip]

I have been outposted

[lunar crater]

[bleak tulip]

6% more damage isnt worth skipping kinetic flayer

[tawny nacelle]

because an actual helmet on a psyker doesnt really work

[fathom zealot]

Kinda crazy that 70k of the player base will all have this helmet with the B on it, gonna see people in jail clothing with helmets looking goofy

[next meteor]

The 🅱️ helmet

[bleak tulip]

beyda helmet

[lunar crater]

🅱️eta

[ruby karma]

B for boobies

[fathom zealot]

The 🅱️ elmet

[lunar crater]

testa

[spice oar]

btw since there is 2 equinox helmets

[wise pecan]

That imperial edition psyker drip looking fiiiiine

[spice oar]

shit

[gilded lion]

Professor Xavier head ass

[analog path]

safety first! you would not want to fall and accidently hurt yourself?

[lunar crater]

i think it perfect for ogryn. will prothect hith brian

[night marten]

I'm not talking about the innate 3%+ per charge, but the feat giving you more damage from warp attacks

[lunar crater]

maybe good for us to protect our skulls when he throws his box

[spice oar]

i mean 2 equinox staffs, there should be a new risthaven and nomanus staff aswell, more fire and lightning shenangens

[tawny nacelle]

ogryns are just big cuddly bois, realy to cuddle ur bum 🙂

[fathom zealot]

Whos playing right now

[wise pecan]

He needs that brain protected for when he uses it as a battering ram

[dusty sage]

2,002 people coping

[dim pier]

The feat that gives you more damage from warp attack isn't tied to warp charges

[night marten]

you're right, mixed it with Inner Tranquility

[lunar crater]

they are the bull of.. ostland? atoma!

[bleak tulip]

like yeah, 12% more peril resist or free charges every 15 seconds

[tawny nacelle]

fave quote in darktide: "i touched you, you're damned now"
fave quote from vermintide "these arent proper stairs"

[bleak tulip]

I choose the free charges so I dont have to waste time using BB on trash or yelling at my vet to stop sniping shit I already marked for death oh wait I need to BB everything twice at least

[burnt python]

the real problem is warp charges are not good enough to bother managing

they aren't particularly hard to keep up with traits, they just aren't good enough

[ruby karma]

Also, BB takes too long to channel, and doesnt deal enough damage to warrant it imo .

[slate trench]

us

[sharp oasis]

Yes

[night marten]

6 charges gives you more toughness damage reduced from ranged attacks, more peril resistance in general, and significantly more damage from ascendant blaze (and a higher likelihood of getting charges back due to more kills).

when I was using flayer, too often it procced on targets that weren't that useful

I think it's just a preference thing

either way you shouldn't be worried about managing stacks currently. just stating their benefits with the right feats

[burnt python]

imo, flayer is good for single target engagements (monstrosities, assassinations), which is where psyker struggles the most

psyker has A+ horde clear with or without asendant blaze

[slate trench]

all the staves make psyker the real horde control king

[tawny nacelle]

i just use psyker as a support typ character, stunlocking enemies and pushing em around, while head boppin targets whenever i need to

[night marten]

you're not wrong, though I think it's still just as good if not better than the other two level 30 feat choices. they're all kind of whatever (not to mention it benefits purge staff )

[slate trench]

i think psyker is best played if you play the class like a jack of all trades

[burnt python]

Yeah, none are super exciting. I prefer the bottom one for rapid BB when a crusher or w/e needs to die now

[slate trench]

smack that horde around, force push mobs off your downed buddy, and BB a big dude when you gotta

bottom one, the vent charges one?

[burnt python]

bottom one is reduced cast time & perils cost for BB

[dim pier]

25% faster BB charge time and 50% peril cost reduction

[raw breach]

Guys, no matter how much I hit R, the timer isn't going any faster. I feel like I'm going to lose my mind. My Beloved needs me, I need my Beloved.

[burnt python]

also solid for deleting annoying lasgunner enemies

[slate trench]

w-wait

what

how did i not fucking notice that

[tawny nacelle]

omg a new mctile episode

[slate trench]

why am i standing here fucking venting my shit like an IDIOT

[burnt python]

i think with the (tier 2?) perk that reduces peril buildup you can spam 6-7 BBs from 0 peril with that lvl 30 perk

its solid

[bleak sonnet]

its solid

[slate trench]

no fucking way

[bleak sonnet]

this is what i mean

[slate trench]

can't wait to charge my perk tomorrow unless fatshark has another "we hate psykers" patch

[bleak sonnet]

30 damnation clears to discuss balancing

bro was not aware of lvl30 talents

[raw breach]

Did no one else read that last feat at level 30 after seeing the Soulblaze one? lol

[burnt python]

lmao

[tawny nacelle]

ive been using this build

[slate trench]

pls

i was gonna say, i saw the vent one and immediately grabbed it

didn't even look at the other 2 like a fool

[tawny nacelle]

rarely die on 4star missions, havent tested 5 star one yet tho

[raw breach]

i think i was running 233232 aka gun psyker

[burnt python]

3-2-1-2-3-3 is what ive been using

[bleak sonnet]

111111

[raw breach]

just to test it out since i had been excelusively playing with Staves since I was high enough to unlock them

[burnt python]

toughness regen on quell is miles ahead of hte others imo if you havent tried it

[tawny nacelle]

yeah i used that build, with either force sword or mk4/mk5 stabby sword, and a surge staff

[young garnet]

Does the burn from the fire staff count as soul blaze or just regular burn

[raw breach]

Also highly viable leveling build

[night marten]

it's soulfire

[tawny nacelle]

eh i did use the quell toughness thing, but this one gives alot more without me having to care to much

[night marten]

I've been running 121212 with a purge staff, pretty reliably generates charges (and toughness) if there's a decent number of enemies

[raw breach]

glad they changed it to Soulblaze to go with the staff. Agony only made sense because I played WoW and think of it as a DoT still

[surreal girder]

Yeah when I swapped to Quietitude (quelling to get back toughness) it was a game changer. Its any quell, so passive and F quell too.

[burnt python]

passive quelling, ult quelling, manual quelling, trait quelling w/ void - all triggers it

[tawny nacelle]

like with my build, i usually keep close to the group to stun anything that comes near, and only headpop if i need to if the shootyperson dont kill it for some reason

and ive been personally targetted by the runny punchy man

[snow blaze]

Quietude and EH are both very good (EH especially with flayer)

[raw breach]

I headpop snipers and bombers across the map, besides that it's stunlocking hordes and swapping back and forth to my rapier (until I get Deflection Force Sword)

[burnt python]

then theres warp absorption lol

[tawny nacelle]

the runny punchy man or the runny yeetman, literally targets me through my whole team every time he decides to join the game

[night marten]

I've gotten pretty good at the dodge+force sword special ass slap for Mutants lol

[raw breach]

Warp Absorption needs tuning since it doesn't consider staff attack to be warp attacks last I checked, and haven't seen any notes about it

[tawny nacelle]

saaame, like, it seems like a personal attack at this point though

[lost pike]

I would like the duration to be longer than 25s

[burnt python]

even if staff attacks triggered WA i still don't see the point vs the other 2

[tawny nacelle]

i dont want the duration to be longer, i want the stacks to go down by 1 every 25 sec's instead

to help keep em up

[lost pike]

that would be nice

[raw breach]

this ^^

[snow blaze]

Last I tested staves triggered as a warp attack, the problem is staves aren't great for damage

[tawny nacelle]

then u dont have to either stress like crazy so i dont lose my stacks, or not care at all

[burnt python]

staves are fantastic for damage, but against hordes, which is where you are probably least likely to need toughness regen

[raw breach]

Could even make the duration a bit shorter if it only removed one stack at a time. I never have a problem having stacks, it's only getting back up to max stacks if they fall off

[tawny nacelle]

you could even make it so the stacks are for 15 sec, make em lose 1 stack per, and make the damage bonus higher

[burnt python]

also the voistaff quell on hs trait gives you a baby warp absorption for free, when combined with quietitude

[tawny nacelle]

so it makes u actually use the stuff to get those stacks

then i'd actually go for the 6 stack thing, since it would give me alot of damage, and maybe make me wanna be a bit more offensive instead of disruptive

[raw breach]

Staff damage doesn't seem low to me, it just seems balanced for infinite ammo. Like people complained the Purgatus is just a weak Flamer, but the Flamer uses ammo, has to reload, etc.

and Surge staff damage seems fine. Being able to stunlock an entire horde is a fine tradeoff

[burnt python]

purge has to "reload" too, I think its definitely weaker than zealot flamer

burst > sustained dmg in games like this, always

[acoustic pine]

it does worse damage than the flamer too

[raw breach]

Yeah it does worse damage, but it has infinite ammo. Devs always tune shit like that to balance it out

[polar gulch]

surge staff charge-up doesn't affect the stun strength at all, just damage?

[snow blaze]

Only damage

[lost pike]

having a psyker on your squad means more ammo for everyone else.

[polar gulch]

mhm so just spam it then if there's a massive horde

[tawny nacelle]

hence, you dont care about dmg, you just got for quell speed, charge up, and resistence, to be able to spam stun everything that moves

but also kill armoured enemies quite fast

[burnt python]

surge is in a weird spot on damnation, due to random targeting and 6 enemy limit

but increasing the enemy limit clearly makes it OP

[tawny nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042955372023001088/1046548006897459340/image.png?width=1193&height=671

[raw breach]

idk about you, but if you spam out quick charge attacks it's pretty nuts

[signal nymph]

It somewhat feels like a slap in the face zeal and vet get the boltgun when it seems more like a solid all-classer for the normal sized classes.

[lost pike]

i tend to spam quick charge with surge while my squad cleans up

[raw breach]

or if you want damage over utility, the Void Staff aka Artillery Staff is fun

[night marten]

maybe, but they can keep their guns. I'm loving the staff gameplay

[lost pike]

cannonball staff

[signal nymph]

Staffs are fine but the stopping power leaves a bit to be desired

[burnt python]

i still think void is the clear best and others need a lil love

[raw breach]

left click seems like it does more damage than surge staff left click even though they're both projectiles. and right click on void staff is artillery shells

[night marten]

I disagree. If they increased staff stopping power across the board, they would be comically overpowered.

[tawny nacelle]

i have a friend who uses cannonball staff alot, but he aint as healthy as me spam stunning things 😉

[burnt python]

void + surge on the same team is an incredible combo

[lost pike]

One thing I love about this game over VT is the ability to play as the same classes in a squad

[night marten]

Same-class meme squads are incredible content

[lost pike]

so fun

[burnt python]

did a 4 psyker run on damnation the other day

[snow blaze]

Staves could use a bit of love as I doubt they intended to have you spam a surge staff and not charge it up.
Flame staff is ok but the other soulblaze talents could use some work.
Trauma is just weird and is a worse void

[burnt python]

it was awesome, until the assassination bos slol

[tawny nacelle]

yeah when we have ogryn/zealot/psyker/psyker or Ogryn/vet/psyker/psyker, we have alot of ddmg

[raw breach]

Honestly, I haven't felt any of the staffs have low damage. Flame staff lower than the Flamer, sure. But overall, I still feel like I carry while throwing cannonballs of void energy

[lost pike]

I have yet to play on the really tough difficulties but the charged force sword heavy slash chunks the hell out of the assassination boss

[burnt python]

it does, but the animation lock can get you killed in a hurry

[night marten]

purge and surge do ok damage to bosses

[burnt python]

boss boy hits like a truck on damnation

[raw breach]

There was a term from Vermintide called "Finger Rolling" where you'd Right click, then immediately left click to pop off quick charge shots rather than default cleft lick shots. It was quite common for MANY weapons, including all of the Staves for Sienna

[burnt python]

thats certainly a thing in this game as well

most effective w/ surge / purge

good w/ void for cc

[lost pike]

One thing I dont like about the voidestrike is that the left click is basically useless

[raw breach]

Yeah, I mentioned Finger Rolling yesterday in this channel and 5 different people were like "what is that?" so I guess there's enough people that didn't come from VT2 where some terminology is weird for them

[lost pike]

just spam the charged right tap

[burnt python]

left click is sneaky good for special killing

left click does more dmg on headshot than uncharged right click

[raw breach]

left click ifs great for walking through hallways and finding those lone dregs, left click their head

[burnt python]

you can kill a sniper faster w/ left clicks than with bb lol

[empty granite]

Are all the staff left clicks considered warp attacks for the purposes of Warp Absorbtion?

[lost pike]

but the left click effects on bodies is so cool. Just melts the armor and skin, you can see the muscle and shit under

the gore is great in this game

[snow blaze]

That's when you attempt to BB to keep stacks but the vet unloads a clip in it immediately

[raw breach]

Good question, because their right clicks weren't and is a problem

[burnt python]

that is your punishment for thinking warp stacks are worth keeping up 😛

warp stacks need to allow BB to reach better breakpoints on damnation

[empty granite]

I was having toughness regen issues with the Purgatus staff for that reason

Don't need to quell until high to regen via Quietude, but can't get kills with it. So when you NEED toughness, you're out.

[rough gale]

hey yall. i am trying to get better at this class as i loved Sienna, but idk what i am doing wrong. is it that i am only at lv 2, fyi the game kept crashing on me before i could level up any more than a 5 on my Ogryn(highest level).

any tips or leveling plans i could do?

[burnt python]

psyker doesn't feel like a psyker until you start getting staves in a few levels, stick w/ it

[night marten]

stick with it

[snow blaze]

Just play, gets better as you level up

[raw breach]

Just like Sienna, Psyker is defined by their Force Staves. Those don't unlock until levels 8-12 iirc

[empty granite]

Yeah. Level 4 I think unlocks the Force Sword. 11+ is the Trauma Staff, and 14+ is Surge

Or something like that

[tawny nacelle]

the psyker feels super bad in the beginning, but gets really fun after 25

[burnt python]

trauma used to unlock at 8 but i think they made it available sooner at some point, i want to say its 5 it becomes available now

[night marten]

when you first start using the trauma staff instead of a gun, you're going to feel like a badass lol

and it only gets better from there

[empty granite]

I'd recommend avoiding the Trauma staff and waiting for the Surge staff, but that's just because the Trauma staff has an identity crisis

[rough gale]

wow...ok then. is there a force axe or will there be? i Love the special move of it, aka the up-words swing push back

[raw breach]

Just run 2nd difficulty until you hit 30 and you should be fine. Try to find a good force sword and play around with all the force staves to find one you like

[burnt python]

enjoy brain bursting specials on lower difficulties while you can

[night marten]

you're right, but I didn't know that until I unlocked the surge staff

[tropic lagoon]

2nd difficulty isn't worth it

[empty granite]

I think there were leaks about a 2 handed Force Sword, but people said it was in the trailer (but that model was just the 1H one)

[night marten]

there was definitely a 2H'er in the trailer, not sure if it was a force weapon though

[raw breach]

Why? Pugs will have the most consistent completion rate on level 2, level 3 if you know what you're doing and you're in a group

[rough gale]

wish i could....i either get the syptom of "hey hes blue KILL HIM BEFORE HE EXPLODES" or my game crashes middle of mission or i crash as i get into a match

[burnt python]

someone on here earlier was claiming to have info confirming 2h force sword

along with subclass details

[empty granite]

Got a link? I saw the character wielding it 2H, but the model of the sword was nearly the same as current 1H

[tropic lagoon]

It takes 78 runs of level 1 to hit 30, 75 runs of level 2, but everything is meatier and hordes are slightly bigger, slowing you donw

[rough gale]

there is the Hammers but i never saw a sword or axe

[night marten]

the pommel(guard?) looked different than the 1H if I recall, but the footage is literally like 3 seconds so not much to go off of

[raw breach]

So are you saying just grind level 1 to level cap? lol

[empty granite]

We should get access to most of the Force Weaponry, honestly. Hammer, Sword, Axe, etc.

[polar gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-ready-kyle-broflovski-kenny-mccormick-stan-marsh-eric-cartman-gif-20869572

[burnt python]

i'd recommend using difficulty 3 to level, or you're gonna learn some bad habits and get used to taking too many hits

[raw breach]

Future DLC

[burnt python]

unless you just want to speedrun it

[arctic bough]

I hope we g3t the force 2h sword i want variety

[tropic lagoon]

Either that or start doing 3s when you can clear them. Takes like 50ish

[rough gale]

dont knowk that strat. i did that in Vermintide for Sienna cuz i have no friends to play with....

[arctic bough]

The regular force sword feels like such a defensive weapon

[night marten]

go into diff 2 at level 5 with your first talent (probably quietitude for easiest early game buff), then take on 3's at level 15+

[rough gale]

granted i had to make a new accout...the one i Had been playing that on had been hacked...

[burnt python]

agreed, 15 is a good power level to jump into malice

[empty granite]

If you want to play pretty casually, level with Tier 2 (Uprising). T3 (Malice) starts getting difficult if you're unaware of all the dodge/block mechanics

[snow blaze]

I do want more force melee weapons, only having a sword is kinda lame

[rough gale]

wirdly enough....i am actualy GOOD at the dodge/block....when i am not shooting

[rough gale]

agreed.

[wise pecan]

I’d say Endless Hordes 2 gives almost as much exp as a 3, significantly more than a 1, but is still easier than a 3

[raw breach]

I just know that more things can go wrong on Malice, and I assume there will be a large influx of players tomorrow, so I don't expect them to know all of the mechanics. In fact, what I expect is former Vermintide players thinking they can jump into Malice at level 5 or new players who have no idea how scaling works

[empty granite]

The problem we have as well is that there are so many melee weapons (15 total) that we have access to and only 1 is the Force sword.

[burnt python]

excited for all the level 7s or w/e in damnation tomorrow

[empty granite]

The difficulty increase from T2 to T3 from a casual perspective is fairly large

[polar gulch]

just sit back at the beginning and watch them die

[empty granite]

More elites to handle and more health pools

[night marten]

the first couple weeks are going to be rough with new people learning the game if they haven't upped the level restrictions on higher difficulties. that said, the beta community should really try to be patient and give them a chance to learn

[rough gale]

also, anyone know when the maintenance is over?

[wise pecan]

Man there’s either going to be a lot of “this is no longer a beta, the stuff we were testing is changed to normal gameplay” things, or there’s not, and the possibility of the latter frightens me

[burnt python]

Yeah no reason to be mad about it, but It's probably gonna be really hard to pug higher difficulties for a bit

[night marten]

most definitely

[raw breach]

So i'm just gonna stick to level 2 and grind my other 2 characters up while new players are getting their first characters to 30, then hop back to my Psyker for higher difficulty content once all my characters are 30

[wise pecan]

Roughly 17 hours from now

[empty granite]

Maintenance won't be over until release tomorrow. So basically 18 hours from now

[tawny nacelle]

in about 19 hours and 9 mins

[ornate hamlet]

Beta community still has a lot to learn... People still running off like crazy when a hoard comes in.

[burnt python]

lmao 3 different time responses

1pm est

[rough gale]

wish i had this for me when i started Virmentide,

[raw breach]

11am PST tomorrow

[empty granite]

12pm CST

[proud sierra]

It’s 10AM PST

[tawny nacelle]

it said 19 my time so in 19 hours and 8 mins, since its 23.52 atm

[empty granite]

It's close enough

[raw breach]

Exactly. I expect beta players to be the ones with some foundational experience going into the beta. I can only imagine new players tomorrow....

[rough gale]

Dang it! and i was hoping to try and play today.... i work night shift(10pm to 630 am) and today and Sats are my usual days off....

[empty granite]

Some people think the game is a power fantasy because we kill thousands of heretics per run

[burnt python]

not worried bout newbies, they will probably try 1 malice mission then tone it down - its the vt2 cata vets that think they can handle damnation at level 10 that will be a problem lol

[empty granite]

But will easily crumble if they get swarmed

[snow blaze]

I probably won't play that much since I've got the new wow expansion, but I'll certainly hop in a game or try when I can

[ornate hamlet]

I am going to stay with my mum for a few days and see a friend or two...

I will wait for thigns to settle down

[rough gale]

and why do they? you get killed FAST when alone

[empty granite]

Because you so easily kill trash, so you think you can solo monstrosities.

[night marten]

followed by discord, reddit, and forum posts about how the game should better emulate vt2

[raw breach]

Ehh, I figure since I know most of the maps at least, I can help herd the newbies while i level my Zealot and Boltgunner

[rough gale]

wft? ive been playing for YEARS, i was a first day player of VT2 and Never tryed that

[tawny nacelle]

so, how many of u guys went from sienna to psyker?

[burnt python]

i can't believe melee chips through toughness, GAME IS TRASH

[night marten]

(I never played intense difficulties though)

[empty granite]

Are reddit links allowed here?

[snow blaze]

I went from zealot to psyker

[wise pecan]

I didn’t really main any class in VT2, though I did start with psyker

[polar gulch]

GK Kruber was my jam but there's nothing like that in darktide

since zealot blows

[raw breach]

Sienna was actually my least played VT character

[lost pike]

Same

I played a lot of Kerillian

[rough gale]

i from Vet>Zel>Psy>Skull and found i like Skull but i want to be good at Psy more

[tawny nacelle]

i played, handmaiden, unchained, bounty hunter and ranger veteran 😉 then now im a psyker

[raw breach]

Aye, Veteran isn't the same type of "soldier" that my boy Kruber was, homie even became a Grail Knight

[rough gale]

I actually play Sienna cuz i love her lines more than the others and i love the commentary form the others to her

[ornate hamlet]

I would run with ya with ma lightening psyker, frying the little gits with lightening force... But I not got the build right and I have been way unlucky with the RNG.

[woven wigeon]

I was all about that valiaaant krrrrubaaaaaaarrrr! Didn't really translate to Darktide much but, I kept my height high in remembrance of him 😌

[tawny nacelle]

only have like 1,1k hours on vermintide though, and only 87 hours on darktide currently 😄

i actually only played the runny kruber til 30 back in the day, never actually leveled him to 35

[ornate hamlet]

I have to admit, Vermintide was ya more balanced than this game. At higher levels it just gets silly not hard.

[woven wigeon]

That's to be expected haha, balance is the one thing I knew would be off

[rough gale]

thats cuz he, the Vet for this one, was trained to be Cannon Fodder. Kurber was, in essence, a Noble Born Officer aka a "person of interest that everyone MUST keep alive at ALL TIMES" in WH40K standings

[woven wigeon]

Although Heresy I find is a nice challenge, could settle into it like Vermintide Legend imo

[bleak tulip]

clearly you dont remember VT launch

[woven wigeon]

Provided the Endless Hordes bug gets sorted

[tawny nacelle]

well, i know ill have to play this game for a few years before its as good as it gets, but eh i think the game is decent for a beta release

[raw breach]

Balance is an ongoing process. Vermintide wasn't well balanced on release either

[burnt python]

threatening ranged mobs really change the difficulty scale in darktide

[empty granite]

I compiled a short list of suggestions for improving the current version of the Psyker if anyone wanted to take a look. Nothing about BB or stack changes though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z809cc/psyker_weapon_and_talent_improvement_suggestions/

[night marten]

the combat really is wonderfully visceral, exceeding vt2, and really any other melee focused game I've played. It will be something special with more polish and features being introduced (though I will say Mordhau also has excellent melee combat)

[rough gale]

OMG do NOT remind me about that lunch....I wanted to play BH SO bad and for a WEEK i could not

[ornate hamlet]

Of course, things take time. And I am willing to them the time as they have done it before.

[burnt python]

I've got my complaints about some very questionable decisions theyve made for darktide, but im also 80 hours deep prior to release so can't complain too much

[raw breach]

His personality type came off as "just another bloody footsoldier"

[rough gale]

agreed i Love this game so far, when i can play, and its just different enough in game play, weapons and enemy tacts, that i am hooked

[rough gale]

yep

[burnt python]

their choices to hide numbers, remove scoreboard, etc, I disagree with so strongly, but they dont hurt the fantastic gameplay itself

[tawny nacelle]

i'd love to see that the surge staff does multiple smaller hits, with higher crit chance
and the facts that it seems in the beta, that the surge staff sometimes just doesnt do any damage at all, and sometimes doesnt stun

[rough gale]

they haven't implemented that yet, from there own words, is cuz they don't HAVE a score board set up yet

[burnt python]

They did not intend to include one, due to "toxicity", until the backlash made them change their mind

[empty granite]

Yeah, if I wave the staff around during a release like I would with a Purg staff, the animation swaps to new mobs, but doesn't stun

[rough gale]

really? i thoght they where, and i never saw it as a toxic thing but as an aid to help people get better at the game

[raw breach]

Go youtube the video of Alex Jordan, the Voice Actor for "The Professional" Veteran, playing Darktide with people in this server. I watched it yesterday and was cracking up

[tawny nacelle]

but i have high hopes, that this game will have a better release than vermintide 2, maybe not perfect but atleast better, and i know they will give the game love for years to come

[lost pike]

I need to make a vet and zel as well. I'm too indecisive when it comes to voice and names. All of my characters are max height, though. I had a max short Psyker and hated it.

[empty granite]

Gotta be the right height to tag heads for BB, lol

[burnt python]

I don't recall their exact words but they thought the scoreboard led to players being toxic to each other, so omitted it. They now say they will implement it, along with more detailed weapon stats

[ornate hamlet]

Yup, always gonna get the snobs. You didn;t kill x within z seconds you scum... I just hate people like that. Sometimes, people with low scores act tactically and sometimes that can;t be measured

[rough gale]

so far the comunity has been good when i can play and it runs better when it does go throw thant the lanch of VT2

[boreal wave]

I mean I actually prefer the idea of the game just being about the objective than the team constantly trying to one-up each other.

[ornate hamlet]

IF they did do score boards, they should be personal and not open to the public

[burnt python]

Personally, I do not give 2 shits what the scoreboard shows for my teammates. I want to be able to compare my own builds, weapons, etc against themselves and get actual feedback beyond "oh that felt good"

[rough gale]

why they thoght that that was a good idea idk. i only see that as more "friends being dicks to one another for fun" kind of thing

[burnt python]

all of the withheld information within the game irks me

[tawny nacelle]

only thing i think they need to think about, is some kind of endgame gameplay loop, like the thing they did in vermintide, or sumthin big to work towards, to keep the community engaged

[raw breach]

A benchmark for progress and contribution itself isn't toxic, it's how people interpret the data and treat other players based on certain numbers they perceive as low

[empty granite]

The scoreboard lets you see how much damage you do or how many kills you got, but it can't tell you how much damage WASN'T inflicted because an Ogryn's shield was placed perfectly.

[burnt python]

fingers crossed for chaos wastes

[rough gale]

THIS iw what i used the VT2 borads for

[burnt python]

They track damage blocked though 😛

[tawny nacelle]

i'd love something like the thing from diablo 3, with keystones and weird bosses n stuff

[raw breach]

This would be a totally fine solution, if not for the fact that knowing your own numbers would be meaningless if you didn't have other classes or characters numbers to compare it to

[empty granite]

That's news to me!
There are just intangible things that can't be objectively counted so it won't appear on the scoreboard

Honestly, time in coherency per person sounds like a good tracker.

Incentivizes teamwork

[burnt python]

Totally agree. Some people will be dicks no matter what. For me personally, the endgame fun in games like this is to push the difficulty and make different builds work - that is very hard with the amount of info we're given in game atm

there are still many mechanics we have 0 clue how they work

[ornate hamlet]

I would love it if they unleashed a Geater Daemon of Nurgle upon us... big bad main boss.... Hard as hell to kill...

[burnt python]

aka soulblaze

[empty granite]

Lol, read my reddit post about soulblaze. I love it, but it's not good right now.

[rough gale]

i just hope that they add a Space Hulk missions to the game sooner or later or a Slaanesh enemies. i can already see the Daemonettes running at me at Mack 3 just to have there heads bashed in lol 🤣

[burnt python]

the information will come out, jsat will expose all (lol), we just have to wait and hope the 3rd parties digging into it don't make mistakes because things are so convoluted

[raw breach]

jsat?

[empty granite]

j_sat

[burnt python]

look him up on youtube, he goes deep into the underlying mechanics of this game

things like damage formulas, weapon block recovery times, etc that are not readily available in game

[raw breach]

oh, did he do the video on how damage stat bars actually work?

[empty granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw&list=FLw43TAJP78-yqRGHVXZ-VQQ&index=4

[burnt python]

yeah

[raw breach]

yeah, okay, i know him, no need for another link lol

[burnt python]

he and others greatly increased the general communities understanding of how the game worked in vtide

[rough gale]

i never seen his chanel but now that i have i will look him up soon

[raw breach]

But yeah, it's people like him, or in Vermintide we had some fantastic community contributors, guide writers, mathematicians, spreadsheet wizards, etc. that make this game fun for me because i like to min/max and make spreadsheets too

[solar remnant]

Big vtide guy, I'm thankful he's coming on for dtide

[empty granite]

It's why you hang onto greys at item levels 355+

[burnt python]

same here. part of the fun for me is min-maxing and pushing things to the limit, which requires breakpoint data etc

[empty granite]

I really do wish we will eventually get access to a Daemon Hammer

[raw breach]

Back when I played WoW I used to be a class guide writer and make spreadsheets and stuff too. I'm really thankful that other people do it for these games because these formulas are beyond me 🤣 🤣

[ornate hamlet]

That's all to serious for... I like to just kill sh*t... And kill a lot of it.

[devout kelp]

Possessed Weaponry when

[ornate hamlet]

lol

[rough gale]

honestly i wish i had knwon about the Crafting system for this game beforehand or i would of saved my old gear

[empty granite]

I've seen some people asking for Nemesis Force weaponry, but they either don't know the lore well or don't care, lol

[burnt python]

the math behind the tide series is so unnecessarily complex at times (at least from my perspective, maybe they ave justifications) - i'm very grateful others do it too haha

[devout kelp]

Same; 1.2 - 2k Dockets for an item isn't really worth it by comparison

[empty granite]

It's not a huge loss, honestly. You have to REALLY look for good greys/greens

[ornate hamlet]

Imperial guard get naff all... Just meat for the grinder

[rough gale]

we dont need another Fulgrim on our hands...but yes. When?