psyker-class

[grim bay]

you say this, right after going on a rage about hearing about others using lasgun build XD

[bold maple]

surge wouldnt be a support weapon if it hit more target

[grim bay]

that irony hit quick

[jaunty umbra]

void + double transfer peril is borderline abuse

[stiff sun]

Also stunning enemies is not instant, it has a delay, like playing csgo with 12 tickrate

[mint burrow]

I enjoy my purgatus staff

[acoustic spade]

What would it be then?

[olive ember]

Yeah I didn’t particularly like the surge tbh, but what I liked less is 2 pox hounds a mutant and a trapper showing up at the same time and ass fucking my team while dealing with a horde

[bleak tulip]

void is just auto aim spammy light CC and I am not here for that

[bold maple]

an actual weapon? fucking lmao

[compact cargo]

DoT, quick swap, even bb machine builds all would be great if viable over heresy

[bold maple]

that actually deals dmg

[grim bay]

oh god now they're fighting eachother over staff use

[hard breach]

Just go to sleep dude. You wanna be zombie at work? You said it's 1am for you

[grim bay]

true

pce

[potent echo]

Feels like poxwalkers don't give much a damn to stagger in general, surge or purgatus

[olive ember]

Ha weak it’s 4 AM and I got a final today

That I didn’t study for

[grim bay]

have a GN all, dont be too upset over other players over staff or gun use! Enjoy the game

[bleak tulip]

it would be pretty dope if surge actually didnt just autoconenct but was more of a chain lightning type deal

[olive ember]

Yep time for me to clock out

[mint burrow]

Not a flex haha

[grim bay]

@olive ember different breed xD i'd be dead

[acoustic spade]

Xan? 👁️

[bleak tulip]

?

[warm meteor]

i am, i cant aim at all lol

[olive ember]

Imagine aiming smh

This is why I run the twin linked stubber on ogryn

Couldn’t aim if you tried

[bleak tulip]

dont have to aim with void either if you just slap hordes

just funnel and blast

[warm meteor]

also shocking a group of maulers or other dangerous enemies and pulling out my chainsword to wreck their shit before they get a chance to recover is a VIBE

[acoustic spade]

Back when the Daemonhosts were in every single mission I was using a Surge staff

[mint burrow]

I need a more defined reticle to direct my warp flames

[acoustic spade]

It was not a good time

[jaunty umbra]

this is fax
psyker mains are just veteran mains that cant aim

[acoustic spade]

the Daemonhost sucked in some of the lightning around the corner

[warm meteor]

yes, i am a bad vet

[olive ember]

As a guy who is still silver with 3k hours in csgo this hit close man

[stiff sun]

This reply function is so derp

I click on someone to reply and suddenly I reply to someone else

It seems I really can't aim

[warm meteor]

ur just inaccurate even with discord

oh i was slow

[stiff sun]

I will accept this as my reality.

[potent echo]

Just dream about better aiming

[acoustic spade]

Honestly tho, I play Psyker more as a Zealot than as a Veteran

[warm meteor]

i miss with grenades

:(

[devout halo]

[warm meteor]

okay im not that bad lol

[acoustic spade]

I like the Force Sword

[warm meteor]

that one is easy to aim

[devout halo]

me tooo

[olive ember]

Psyker ironically though is better at single target melee then zealot early on since they unlock the force sword at like lvl 4

It’s kinda funny

[warm meteor]

so i figured out you can cancel the charge animation on chain weapons and the force sword

those things kill bosses sonic fast

[cyan echo]

o how?

[warm meteor]

i just spam attack

[dusty thunder]

Force sword doesn’t do the most damage of melee weapons. But you sure as hell can dance around like Lucius having a fit.

[warm meteor]

and it didnt play the whole animation

[cyan echo]

Ah

[warm meteor]

just the first millisecond of it

[stiff sun]

Force sword is an amazing specialist killer, imo it's up there in the top, fast charge, huge dmg, 1k on charged heavy attack, +700 on normal

[olive ember]

It’s a surprising amount especially if you use its heavy attack

[potent echo]

Force sword lights don't even stagger scabs

[olive ember]

Even on malice it’s like atleast 1/4 of assassination bosses health in a bit

[bleak tulip]

force sword with slaughterer fucks

[dusty thunder]

Have people say Power sword is better

[warm meteor]

yeah my force sword outdamages my chainswords charge attack

[cyan echo]

@tough garden When a Mutie is incoming, do a bullcharge-dodge and then hit it with a Special, done deal

[dusty thunder]

Those people obviously have never melted a boss with a force sword

[hard breach]

I got this! Its awesome

[olive ember]

Power sword is amazing against hordes but lacks single target imo

[acoustic spade]

You know whats the actually best part of Force Sword? use Peril instead of stamina for blocking and just never have to worry about raising up that Veteran that got too far out coherency range

[bleak tulip]

yeah, force attack on assassination boss chunks

[warm meteor]

force sword SHOULD do more damage cuz power swords and chain swords dont make your head explode

[potent echo]

A powersword can cleave 3 ragers in like 4 hits though

[cyan echo]

add Deflector and you can res in ANY scenario

[olive ember]

Meh but I like mind in motion so I’m not a snail while quelling

[velvet herald]

this good ?

[bold maple]

no

[velvet herald]

becase of the damage right ?

[olive ember]

That damage is a bit E

[cyan echo]

I'd prefer one with higher damage

[potent echo]

Ouch that damage roll, it's ok if you don't ever plan on hitting with it though

[acoustic spade]

That dmg bar is kind of sad

its like my attention span

[warm meteor]

once i get a force sword with the right trait itll become my main weapon

[dusty thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-nut-super-nut-gif-13073710

When you get the deflector weapon trait

[warm meteor]

until then im using the chain sword

[cyan echo]

Save the weapon though, you'll be able to pull the Deflector blessing once crafting us fully unlocked

[bleak tulip]

the mod rolls could be better too but yeah its a little sad

[devout halo]

shit damage still, but deflector and sex number 8)

[bold maple]

funni sex number

[stiff sun]

hihi

[acoustic spade]

idk why I read the 2nd trait as "Propulsion"

which would be a funny Force Sword trait

use special, get launched 20m forward

[stiff sun]

Gain 2m forward after successful dodge backward

[potent echo]

Let us throw it around like that one elden ring boss

[warm meteor]

we just force push the ground and fly forward

[acoustic spade]

Why doesnt Force Push blow away bomber grenades tho

[warm meteor]

i would love a staff like the elfs magic staff that levitates an enemy in the air for a free kill

[devout kelp]

Siblings of the world represent #onemind #cortexmeldedwithemperor

[stiff sun]

Would be cool to have physical grenades, but I think they're just an animation, the grenade is already set on the ground before throwing it

[dusty thunder]

All I do. Dance around hordes like nothing

[stiff sun]

I would love to be able to jump towards a grenade and hit it with the body or smth

[devout kelp]

Dance around hordes spamming light attacks

[warm meteor]

when does the game go down

[devout kelp]

My mojo

[acoustic spade]

So? Just have the force push be able to push the grenade on the ground

[subtle robin]

new ogryn passive

[stiff sun]

or with the club, or shield, would be cool af

[half rain]

2 pm est

[warm meteor]

i really like ogryns grenade button

[dusty thunder]

Void trauma staff users when they see a horde

[devout kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-grenades-peter-familyguy-family-gif-9926709

[heady maple]

Serious question, how do you guys handle getting isolated? I tend to be towards the back spamming staff and the occasional BB and I noticed most randos just rush on ahead, leaving me to deal with stragglers or the come-from-behind guys. I get chipped and slowed, nothing I can't deal with but it's really aggravating and makes me want to scream

[viscid matrix]

that staff is shit, only damages 2 targets, the rest just get knoced down

[dusty thunder]

Pretty much

[dusty thunder]

The void? The one that shoots fireballs?

[viscid matrix]

best bet, pull out your melee weapon, and kill anyhting between you and your allies and get into range

[stiff sun]

Don't bb. Only use bb on running targets like dog or sniper or anyone taht turns the back at you and is a danger

[warm meteor]

I just use my melee

[viscid matrix]

you said trauma, thats the one that drops a blast on the ground

[devout kelp]

Like I do with everything regarding the Psyker state right now

Assume fetal position
Cry

[tardy wyvern]

that's the voidstrike not the trauma

[weak aspen]

stun the backstabbing horde with surge staff, pull out combat knife and run like hell

[dusty thunder]

My bad

[acoustic spade]

but combat knife is not force sword

[dusty thunder]

Yeah the AOE one is trash

[devout kelp]

Force Knife when

[viscid matrix]

void shoots a projectile that detonates on each enemy hit and pierces all enemies

purge is a flamethrower

surge is a lightning one

[weak aspen]

i know

[acoustic spade]

I dont think I've ever had a combat knife on any of my characters

[weak aspen]

it's really nice for mobility

great dodge, great movement speed, great pushback

[devout kelp]

Force Latrine Shovel when

[dusty thunder]

I find it funny that Psykers still get the choice to use Lasguns.

[acoustic spade]

Force Boltgun when

[dusty thunder]

Like yeeeeeah you don’t need it. But in case you still have that need to shoot someone. Here you go

[acoustic spade]

Special Action: Imbue next boltround with Brainburst

[cyan echo]

This is the one I use with Deflector at the moment, not awesome perks but the damage is good and I like the sprinting and block bonus

[devout kelp]

Our kit be like: Use Force Weapons

The Armoury be like: Axes and lasguns yo

[hard breach]

That's not how it works

[potent echo]

Where were you when lasgun man was here just now

[warm meteor]

you can just melee the horde, once you get comfortable even the worst anti horde weapons are usable with the right dodge dancing and pushes. i find i only get messed up when my staff is out and an enemy who i thought would be stunned by my surge staff avoids the auto aimed lightning

[dusty thunder]

I feel they have those weapons just so we can’t get the good shit in shop 😂

[heady maple]

so aggravating, I just buy them on the off chance they'll be useful for crafting at some point

[viscid matrix]

thats probably the best for you, if you have to pull out melee you are in the bad place

sprint and block is really nice

[weak aspen]

oh did you not know that lasguns are in fact the superior weapon for psykers?

[devout kelp]

Amen siblings, amen (for the Emperor)

[warm meteor]

or when i get disabled, but thats super rare with the surge staff

[potent echo]

Yea use staves on dif1-3 if not you're jUsT bAD

[warm meteor]

anyone know if void can cc dogs

[acoustic spade]

did you know that not being able to dodge while quelling is apparently bullshit and caused a psykermain friend of mine atleast temporarily quit the game? 🙃

[devout kelp]

Voidstrike can CC everything

CCed out of existence

[stiff sun]

depends on how the server likes it. But itcan

[devout halo]

if you hit them directly with a full charge, gl with that though :)

[tribal granite]

Staves are good, but when lights out I prefer to see where the hell am I going

[hard breach]

You can. I do

[weak aspen]

wait, can you not? i could have sworn you could

[potent echo]

Nah there was a guy just now saying that you should run las on your psyker for heresy and above or you are a poopoohead

[stiff sun]

Most times the omniserver will say no CC for you this match, and then your F can't cc poxbursters

[dusty thunder]

Edit: Are we talking about the “Vets that have to shoot your head pop target because make smoll brain feel good”?

[viscid matrix]

i thought so too

[midnight knoll]

Vision is overrated.

[devout kelp]

Use your third eye, sibling

[warm meteor]

also when using void vs hordes is it worth chargin it up all the way or does the damage become overkill for the peril cost

[acoustic spade]

thats the joke

[weak aspen]

lol

[cyan echo]

Definitely worth

[tribal granite]

I would if it wasn't tatooed on my forehead

[subtle robin]

just use surge staff in the direction of nearest teammate, very easy

[devout kelp]

😭

[dusty thunder]

Imagine needing ammo

[cyan echo]

You kill so much there's a big chance you'll get peril reduction from kills

[tribal granite]

You know what would be an awesome QoL feature for brainburst besides it getting buffed to be better on 4-5 ?

[hard breach]

That's insane!

[tribal granite]

Pushing on special attack

[warm meteor]

does charging improve how many enemies it pierces?

[tribal granite]

when BB hands are out

[dusty thunder]

Vets will say”Yeah well at least I won’t blow myself up!” Then run a Plasma rifle

[subtle robin]

kind of

[potent echo]

At least give us a better dodge with bbhands damn

[warm meteor]

kind of is a vague answer

[tribal granite]

Or so you can "Shoot" it like a beam with special attack without needing to lock on

[subtle robin]

test in meat grinder, it's hard to qualify exactly

[cyan echo]

I kinda wish the charge-time for a BB would be dependant on the HP of the target, but still guarantee a onehit kill

[tribal granite]

Hits a dude, his head explodes and he ragdolls into the nearest wall

[acoustic spade]

My friend kept complaining about melee suppressing him so he couldnt just sprint to the squad he left behind in search of grimoires/scriptures and triggered a horde, and also about overloading himself with the Surge Staff from like 60-something percent peril

[warm meteor]

omg me too

[dusty thunder]

Couldn’t imagine. It’s almost like playing with randoms that actually tag stuff. Insanity.

[viscid matrix]

thats on him

if you leave your group you are the reason you went down

[potent echo]

Might be a cool altfire idea other than the right-click that no one uses

[warm meteor]

also i would love a talent which makes BB have an AOE effect

[tribal granite]

Hey, Right click has a use

[acoustic spade]

"But you could do it in VT2" 🙃

[tribal granite]

when you hear a special but don't see it

[subtle robin]

there is a talent, but it's very bad and does no damage

[acoustic spade]

I didnt even play too much VT2

[tribal granite]

you precharge BB and then instagib it as soon as it enters vision

[acoustic spade]

I probably have more hours in Darktide now than I had in VT2

[warm meteor]

wth right click is amazing for auto popping specials with sound cues

[cyan echo]

I used the alt-fire to get the "Not Even Close" penance, thats like the only time i had use for it

[hard breach]

https://tenor.com/view/training-work-hard-practice-gif-18181584

[viscid matrix]

they should just make BB a instant cast

[potent echo]

True but I don't use it because the peril it generates kinda scary

[acoustic spade]

so I couldnt tell him if you could or could not in VT2

[subtle robin]

and also lower default peril cost to 15

[clear delta]

Finally got a bullet deflection warp sword, is it worth trading the speedy quelling for the peril blocking?

[dusty thunder]

MFW the vet continues to shoot the enemies you are trying to head pop so your stacks don’t drop.

[cyan echo]

if you're on 50% charge you still get the stack

[acoustic spade]

but when I told him to "never turn your back on an enemy in melee range if you havent knocked them down" he actually just alt+f4'd the game and has refused to play the game or talk to me since :<

[warm meteor]

i would want the AOE to be not based on the target killed and be CC

[hard breach]

Use alt fire to charge it then. Changing target is then a non-issue

[viscid matrix]

nah leave that were it is, to prevent spaming and murdering everything

[tribal granite]

Which BB buff would you choose:

• BB charges much quicker
• BB now one-shots specials and 2-shots maulers and ogryns on all difficulties

[acoustic pine]

2

[cyan echo]

Currently you can do 3 BBs in a row without quelling at all

[mortal cargo]

faster charges

[latent oyster]

i just be habitually exploding tnh

[hard breach]

2

[viscid matrix]

i would prefer BB to be instant cast and the final feat for bb to be somthing else

[acoustic spade]

would 2 entail an actual damage buff

[clear delta]

Second every time, those are like the only targets you should use it on anyway

[mortal cargo]

let's be realistic, having 1shot weapon will never happen and would brake the game, faster bb is much more realistic option

[dusty thunder]

Still obnoxious when they target the one that’s in a group you are going for

[acoustic spade]

or just "kills these enemies in two hits always"

[subtle robin]

being completely honest, vt2 ranged would still be more powerful than psyker here, even with 15 peril cost

[warm meteor]

i would like it alot if we had a BB build that gave BB so many extra effects it became usable against hordes and elites and you could BB only in runs

but only cuz BB is soooooo satisfying

[tribal granite]

I would love if more talents affected BB cast speed and damage

[devout kelp]

I'd prefer instant cast and higher peril cost, get a feat to reduce peril cost by warp charges or something

[tribal granite]

so you could "specialize" it

[potent echo]

They definitely nailed the animations and sound design, just need to work on making it rewarding to use

[acoustic spade]

Remove Traumastaff, have a feat turn BB into Trauma staff

[warm meteor]

when the enemy does that little stunned animation where they hold their head thats about to pop I get hyped

[devout kelp]

Headache gang unite

[proven raven]

Stagger at start and a faster charge would be nice

[warm meteor]

brain burst should definitely have peril and charge time based on the target

[cyan echo]

Nurglites about to get headpopped

[proven raven]

Closed beta BB was cash money

[viscid matrix]

Brain blast should be a Instant cast, and the final feat makes it cost less plus a temp aoe after force push

[potent echo]

I think the CBT had stagger at the start, pretty OP

[warm meteor]

killing a poxwalker just shouldnt cost me 45 percent peril

[devout kelp]

Scaling BB, my Sibling you've done it

[dusty thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/eartquake-motorbout-gif-5041308

[stiff sun]

I think it should be casted faster with less peril to make it viable

[hard breach]

Good thinking sibling

[stiff sun]

25% faster and 25% or 50% less peril like the ultimate, and make the ultimate 50% faster and 75% less peril

OR EVEN BETTER make headpop instant with no peril and let it uninstall the game after killing an enemy

[wispy tangle]

this is kind of a cool idea tbh

[devout kelp]

BB instant, small peril, but with regenerating BB charges

[proven raven]

Brain Burst my pc pls

[subtle robin]

BB also should let you oneshot both a monstrosity and yourself

lore accurate psyker

[warm meteor]

i will say with 6 charges and the peril resist per charge talent you can spam BB and not pay the full cost once ur comfy with how close to slaanesh you can be without being fucked

[viscid matrix]

nahh if BB is same cost plus instant cast, it will be hard to keep popping with a 25% cost

[hard breach]

enters the game. Headpops the boss killing it. Refuses to elaborate. Leaves the game

[dusty thunder]

Lols in wound curios

[barren gyro]

hers how to fix most psyker issues: make psyker get charges on BB CAST, not kill < this is random and annoying if you dont get the lasthit. Make charges decay 1by 1 instead of alltogether, make the "10% chance of burning enemies generating a charge" of his 2nd lvl30 ability an innate passive. BB not scaling is okay in that case

[dusty thunder]

Explodes own head*

[subtle robin]

the peril explosion build

[devout kelp]

YES charges should decay 1b1

[stiff sun]

I would also love to cast bb faster, not instant, but faster. It just casts in 3-5 working days like really?

[weak aspen]

is peril explosion damage fixed, or does it scale with anything?

[potent echo]

What if they do this but now charges only lasts 15 seconds

[stiff sun]

Everyone just kills my bb targets, it has no use

[cyan echo]

The fact that charges decay all TOGETHER is my major gripe with the current system

[warm meteor]

I remember someone said they wanted to play a marine and someone said "no thats too powerful" and im sitting here like "we literally can play as a psyker, once he gets proper training lore wise he should be able to kill even marines"

[tribal granite]

I heard Warp Battery penance is bugged and you have to do it on Heresy and not Malice, is it true ?

[devout kelp]

Then that's just shuffling the bad - charges need a buff not a redesign inho

[cyan echo]

it is true

[weary idol]

yeah

[wispy tangle]

test it in meatgrinder to find out, but iirc it doesn't scale to targets in an appreciable way

[tribal granite]

Eeeuuuuuugh

[dusty thunder]

It be like that. Vet need that smoll brain juice thrill from shooting things to flow

[tribal granite]

I'm too afraid of Heresy, not ready for it yet

[weary idol]

situational +12% damage on everything

incredible value

[stiff sun]

but what about the pysker, nobody asks how the psyker feels 😦

[weak aspen]

you don't have to complete the mission to get the penance

[cyan echo]

its only nasty because it has permanent Endless Horde

[tribal granite]

It's only nasty because my gear is not up to par

[devout kelp]

Psyker: 1 Malice Penance, 3 Heresy

Psyker: Ridiculous brainmelting penances

Vet: Muh penance hard I has to aim huurrrrrr

[tribal granite]

I'll be comfy trying it when I reach 20

[warm meteor]

like psykers can get ridiculous and our psyker apparently can master several dsiciplines psychic abilities? he should be op but he is down graded alot to be in line with "random guard vet who shoot gun good"

[hard breach]

I want lore accurate psyker i wanna have a 1/20 chance to summon daemons when i peril

[subtle robin]

let's just petition for them to buff everything and put a marine in the game

[tribal granite]

in the meantime, I'll try pushing 20 heretics off a bridge

[devout kelp]

yo you making me cry now sibling

[weak aspen]

do yourself a favor and do this on the chasm logistratum catwalk

[weary idol]

i'm definitely fine with them being more gameplay balance over lore

[potent echo]

I honestly think vet penances are harder lol not getting melee'd in heresy and not missing a shot at all

[cyan echo]

on Perils of the Warp you turn into a daemonhost instead of blowing up

[tribal granite]

When you peril explode, a beast of nurgle comes out

[subtle robin]

5% chance to turn into an AI miniboss on BB cast

[dusty thunder]

Warhammer Inquisitor vibes.

[weary idol]

otherwise why would you ever bring zealot/sharpshooter

[wind plume]

you can also cheese that vet penance as Ogryn with grenade gauntlet

[tribal granite]

or you get taken over by a demon and turn into a daemonhost

[weary idol]

when ogryn/psyker by lore would just be better at what they do

[acoustic pine]

@potent echo you can cheese the no miss one iirc

[tribal granite]

Have fun not getting kicked in the lobby

[wispy tangle]

when you reach 100% peril instead of blowing up, you turn into a daemonhost and your team has to fight you

[warm meteor]

thats unsanctioned psykers. the chance is actually relatively low for trained ones

[devout kelp]

Yeah lol

[potent echo]

Yea I'm not talking about cheesing them though

[warm meteor]

it would be funny to have periling have a chance to summon a beast of nurgle

[weak aspen]

you can cheese the "take no melee damage" veteran penance as well

just quit and rejoin the mission at the end

[devout kelp]

Primaris Psykers (sanctioned psykers, not marines) are cortex melded with the Emperor, and thus incredibly resilient to daemonic influence.

[acoustic pine]

I thought bots failed penances for you?

[dusty thunder]

Yeah, but then you’d have the sweats that wouldn’t want Psykers on their team

[warm meteor]

OH thats another thing. the beast of nurgle is a daemon who can kill marines. the thing is a basic boss when in lore its stronger then basic daemons and basic daemons kill marines all the time

[dusty thunder]

They need to have Plaguebearers and Nurgling hordes

[weak aspen]

did it for a friend yesterday: do the entire mission normally, then while standing in front of the dropship, veteran quits and reconnects, we enter dropship once he's back in, boom penance complete

[potent echo]

Maybe it's a baby beast of nurgle

[jaunty umbra]

a game is a game is a game

[wispy tangle]

i absolutely demand nurgling swarms

[devout kelp]

Pretty sure we had Plaguebearers in the initial trailers too

[hard breach]

I feel the warp overtaking me, it is a good pain

[warm meteor]

that could be a mission where we have to close a warp portal as its spilling periodic lesser daemons

[devout kelp]

Do you hear the voices too!?

[potent echo]

We still don't have chaos spawns yet either

[dusty thunder]

Just have Deamons as a third enemy type

Instead of just Scabs and Traitor Guard

[hard breach]

Where is my witness your doom line?

[warm meteor]

also some people want to fight a GUO. the things that lead armies of daemons so large they take over entire sectors

[dusty thunder]

Oh man a nurgle spawn would be gross lol

[devout kelp]

Witness your doom isn't a Chaos line though

[warm meteor]

so marines arent really out of the scope

[viscid matrix]

future games can be that

i would love a Eldar game where we are defending a fortress in the webway from Slandesh minions

or a Ork Waargh who landed on a planet controlled by Khorne minions

[wispy tangle]

i hope we see a beastmen dlc type thing for darktide, except it's nurgle daemons added as a whole new enemy type

[hard breach]

No but it is a psyker line

[warm meteor]

heck even the ogryn is a little ridiculous to be playable but i love it

[dusty thunder]

Ewwww Eldar lol

[potent echo]

Also how would it be like to have a psyker enemy special/elite? Imagine it brain bursting you from across the map

[warm meteor]

i hope we get a beastman class!

[cyan echo]

I like the sanctioned psyker from Dawn of War

Do you know what you ask?

[devout kelp]

I'd love the chance to fight for Khorne

[tribal granite]

Genestealer cult

[viscid matrix]

how cool would it be to be a harlequin

[subtle robin]

i love how this chat is about lore and insane buff suggestions, while others are about gameplay

gotta love the siblings

[warm meteor]

its already referenced in the voice lines

[weary idol]

beastman guardsman could be a thing

[dusty thunder]

I mean at least it’s not Tau I guess

[jaunty umbra]

an eldar game (or any xeno game in general) would be sick, but I have no idea how they would do precog in multiplayer

[warm meteor]

could have a sprint boost due to the animal legs

[tribal granite]

I want a buff psyker that focuses on buffing teammates instead of BB enemies

[potent echo]

Timer to next horde?

[hard breach]

We siblings are the best

[warm meteor]

technically normal guard have animal legs being apes but you know what i mean

[wispy tangle]

i'm pretty sure a single hive world could take on the entire tau civilization and win

[dusty thunder]

More Ork games when?

Need more WAAAAGH

[jaunty umbra]

the thing is, Eldar evasion is basically 90% precog, so it's not all about vague futuresight

[warm meteor]

me too, so many psychic powers are blessings. its a no brainer for a support class

[cyan echo]

playing as an ork in Eternal Crusade was fantastic

[potent echo]

Payday2 style evasion then I guess

[warm meteor]

i would also take a medicae as a support class

[hard breach]

Actually psykers are not very effective vs tau

[warm meteor]

my most played class in dnd is cleric, i love support

[jaunty umbra]

mechanicus in darktide when

[hard breach]

Little warp presence and all

[viscid matrix]

future tide game discussion to #theorycrafting ?

[warm meteor]

but blanks are! one calidus assassin was able to kill them by being nearby. thats all it took!

[tidal violet]

I was onboard until you explained more.

[dusty thunder]

Commissar class voiced by Saltzpyre VA when?!

[warm meteor]

waitn no

not calidus

[wispy tangle]

i will swear fealty to chaos in exchange for a playable admech character

[warm meteor]

culexus

[hard breach]

Wtf?

But they are not psykers?

[weary idol]

blanks are the actual polar opposite of psykers

[warm meteor]

yeah instead of messing with their heads like it does to normal people it "snuffed what little souls they had" having a small soul didnt save them, it made the effect worse

[weary idol]

rather than being attuned to the warp, they are so unattuned to the warp that it literally can't affect them

[rose berry]

so whats the best curios to aim for?

[wispy tangle]

i think he meant the tau

[weary idol]

they don't have a soul or smth to that effect

[dusty thunder]

Guys!

Eversor class WHEN?!

[warm meteor]

blanks kill tau is what i meant

[hard breach]

Oh I know. I was wondering why the tau died to a blank not the psykers

[weary idol]

give us an elysian :)

[warm meteor]

we have a canon lore example of it

[wispy tangle]

literally solo the entire game lmao

[dusty thunder]

Fuck it. The whole city

[delicate temple]

For dealing good damage, is it really essentioal to play staff as a psyker ?

[wispy tangle]

eliminate the rest of your teammates too because they're witnesses

[warm meteor]

you know the tau empire leader? he is currently dead and the tau as a whole dont know it

their pope dude it dead

[viscid matrix]

no, psyker is the weakest class, everyone else can do more dps

[acoustic pine]

What do you mean "good damage" good damage vs what?

[weary idol]

all of the staves are bad at damage output compared to a gun

[potent echo]

Inquisitor's warband? More like inquisitor's warman

[dusty thunder]

Tau are just Blue Covenant from Halo

[weary idol]

they're good for supporting the team though

[acoustic pine]

Bad singletarget compared to a gun that is

[potent echo]

Covenants don't have gundams though

[weary idol]

worse horde clear than a lot of guns too though

[tidal violet]

Staffs are tools, not weapons. You use them for their intended utility.

[warm meteor]

i would be so down for a daemon host class but it wont happen even if it is a real lore thing for inquisitors to use them

[wispy tangle]

yeah the inquisitor could literally just leave and let the eversor just handle the entire hive city lmao

[viscid matrix]

a single bolter can outdamage anything a psyker can do

[acoustic pine]

Also idk how purgatus works vs monstrosities

[weary idol]

infantry autoguns, the recon lasgun, MG IV lasgun will all horde clear better than any staff

[hard breach]

See my siblings understood what I was asking. Thank you for explaining that sibling @warm meteor

[weary idol]

barring like purgatus

[cyan echo]

Which psyker gun has better hordeclear than a staff?

[weary idol]

the recon lasgun, braced autogun

autopistol

[warm meteor]

explaining what

[potent echo]

But then reloading is ass

[weary idol]

infantry autoguns, or the MGIV lasgun

[viscid matrix]

take the theory craft/ future ideas to #theorycrafting

[gleaming siren]

Biomancy psykers in a nutshell

[rose berry]

guys whats the best curios to go for?

[cyan echo]

I find that hard to believe, seeing how fast a voidstaff can clear a horde. I believe that you believe its true, its just not my experience

[weary idol]

• toughness for everyone

[thick surge]

Finally a worthy buy

[viscid matrix]

1 wound and 2 of either toughness or health

[rose berry]

cheers

[weary idol]

see the problem with voidstrike is that it runs into a single rager or mauler in the horde and suddenly stops killing things

most hordeclear guns will just kill them too

while a staff won't

[warm meteor]

they better give us one. sienna had a tanky melee class give me biomancy psyker

[hard breach]

It was no ideas to take there it was just me being confused by a statement

[cyan echo]

Ah that is probably true! It just has never been a problem for me

[weary idol]

speaking of sienna, VT2 had 5 characters and we have 5 character slots

yet only 4 classes so far

[acoustic pine]

Does voidstrike operate off of cleave and loses all its pen on elites?

[weary idol]

curious isn't it?

[warm meteor]

wdym 5 character slots

[potent echo]

Rattling confirmed?

[weary idol]

you can make 5 rejects in game

[dusty thunder]

Bolter really isn’t that practical unless killing larger targets. Which can easily be done with pretty much any class.

[weary idol]

but there's only 4 classes

[hard breach]

Then goes boom in a cone behind them

[viscid matrix]

no, looks to do the same damge all the way thru

[warm meteor]

ur right....

[weary idol]

5 is a strange number to pick since it's 1 more than the current classes, but not an amount that'd let you just make more for the fun of it

[warm meteor]

ratling confirmed?

[potent echo]

Only a stagger cone though

[subtle robin]

voidstrike appears to have infinite pierce on kill

[viscid matrix]

a good bolter on a good vet can be used for all elites

[stuck bridge]

is this the channel to doomer about psyker now

[warm meteor]

wait wait wait

[tidal violet]

The real subclass is that bullshit Eisenhorn has where he can just ask the bad guys to leave cover and they'll do it.

[viscid matrix]

infinite pierce and explodes on hit, never seen it stop until it hit a wall

[potent echo]

Not true, there is a limit even on fully charged shots

[subtle robin]

it does do damage too, even through elites, on full charge

[noble garden]

Voicelines about ratling snipers are really common but it would be a bit conflicting if the first new class was one since we already have sharpshooters

[subtle robin]

proof? i haven't noticed at all

[warm meteor]

what if we get a mission where we have to fight a daemonhost. but instead of killing it they make us bind it and we bring it back for the inquisitor to utilize as a borderline heretical weapon and thats the 5th class

[viscid matrix]

ive never seen a void staff stop until it hits a wall, gonna need video proof of it stopping

[potent echo]

Heresy horde plus super long hallway, it does stop but you just throw another one

[subtle robin]

try uncharged shots in meat grinder

[vast oyster]

Nah I've shot into crowds and it explodes at some point

[stuck bridge]

uncharged has a limit im pretty sure

[warm meteor]

also is it canon that zola has been attacked by chaos on a prison ship millions of times? since all our characters join by being on said ship?

[subtle robin]

are you sure it wasn't an elite or special or armor?

[weak aspen]

do you usually do fully charged shots with void, or just spam fire?

[potent echo]

No elites

[wise pecan]

Eh I mean I wouldn’t say that commiserating about psyker’s poor state is being a doomer. Folks aren’t saying “psyker is bad and will forever be so”

[viscid matrix]

i try to always full charge

[stuck bridge]

im mostly jokin

[vast oyster]

Depends really but I normally charge it fully

[autumn marten]

How do we feel about this one? (also did they just nerf warp nexus in that stealth patch??)

[turbid olive]

heavier armored units stops it immidietly

[stuck bridge]

is warp nexus really worth it on voidstrike? I feel like the faster charge would be better to get more balls out there

[viscid matrix]

looks good, but it doesnt have the OP traits of Elites and Specialists

[wise pecan]

But yes this is the channel to complain about psyker’s poor state

[acoustic pine]

@autumn marten damage is super important, the difference between min and max is 2x the damage

[subtle robin]

mhm, strange

[weak aspen]

what about surge staff then? charge yes/no?

[viscid matrix]

we have reason to complain

[hard breach]

For being in poor state is sure is still fun

[warm meteor]

but it costs 3 times the peril

[viscid matrix]

no, easier to spam and keep them stunlocked

[stuck bridge]

spam do not charge usually imo

[subtle robin]

charge for damage on singletarget

[viscid matrix]

damage is barely different

[turbid olive]

Yes, but it makes you a support CC teammate

[subtle robin]

it's like 2.5x the damage

[stuck bridge]

i maybe used my decent surge staff for around 20 hours and i kinda started to hate it after awhile

[weary idol]

surge staff varies based on what you need it to do

[weak aspen]

ah ye, i know, i was wondering if people usually charge the lightning up or just spam it

[weary idol]

for CC you spam uncharged, for actually killing flak armor enemies you need to charge it

[subtle robin]

for cc-just spam

[gleaming siren]

Very rough test in Psykanium, you'll note it detonates immediately on contact with the armoured ragers, but passes through like half the horde before detonating when fired from the other end.

[weak aspen]

is it really? it feels the same tbh

[cyan echo]

Surge staff gets a bit boring in the long run

[acoustic pine]

@warm meteor not really no

[viscid matrix]

100 at max without damage traits and blesssings is pretty shitty

2.5x to reach that at full charge is a waste

[turbid olive]

i do to kill specials or else i just spam it 🙂

[warm meteor]

honestly even with chargings extra damage if you have stunlocked them you can pull out the melee and kill them

[weary idol]

and for melee the tactical axe

[stuck bridge]

psykanium needs the ability to spawn a passive horde tbh

[subtle robin]

yes, armor does stop them, i was talking pierce on kill

[warm meteor]

mine it is, its like 7 percent for uncharged on void and close to 20 when charged fully

[hard breach]

Hopefully release will buff psyker

[stuck bridge]

yeah hopefully

[acoustic pine]

@warm meteor no I mean the stats on the item lol

[dusty thunder]

So guys. When is the Squat DLC dropping?

[stuck bridge]

did they say they'd do any tweaks to the classes before release?

[warm meteor]

psyker is just making the dream fair

[subtle robin]

what? i was hitting elites for like 500 or something, with low level staff

[viscid matrix]

it better, its so demoralizing when you are just the cc bot or horde clearer instead of the glasscanon you are supposed to be

[subtle robin]

the damage is nerfed on chained targets

[misty mist]

Force greatsword when???

[viscid matrix]

do you have elites or specialists trait? cause they do that

[subtle robin]

nah

[acoustic spade]

While I dont disagree, I still enjoy the current spot psyker is in (disclaimer, havent done lvl5s yet)

[stuck bridge]

do you guys think that giving the surge staff a chance to continue chaining would make it feel better?

because fuck just sitting there and being a CC machine

[cyan echo]

Feels good on T5 imo

[subtle robin]

it does have chaining

[viscid matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1047047599129112656/image.png

this trait causes a surge staff to do 900 damage to all elites

[acoustic pine]

I think they should just make the chains prioritize elites/specials

[autumn marten]

I think it needs a bit more of a nudge for its elite killing niche. Vets can do it better rn

[warm meteor]

is he supposed to be glass cannon? psykers on the table top are rarely damage focussed unless they are a beat stick like magnus

[stuck bridge]

i mean a chance to continue past the 5 targets

[subtle robin]

i know, i didn't have the trait

[potent echo]

we need the other force weapons

[hard breach]

Or maybe cc all enemies in x radius?

[viscid matrix]

yes, we have 250 total hp/toughness, every other class has 350 or more

[autumn marten]

yeah the tags for making one are basically a single target glass cannon

[acoustic spade]

eh, IMO its alright for Veterans to do it better, cause Veterans dont have any sort of hordecontrol utility like psyker does

[warm meteor]

tags for making one?\

[subtle robin]

surge staff is already the strongest CC in the game, i don't think it needs any help

[stuck bridge]

reminds me of a suggest i saw to make headpop have an AOE stagger on kill

[warm meteor]

that was my suggestion

[stuck bridge]

strongest CC is still boring to play

[warm meteor]

i love it

[viscid matrix]

BB should be instant cast with the same peril cost or more, and have the capstone feat cause bb to aoe for the next bb after push

[acoustic spade]

Extremely Subjective

[warm meteor]

its literally playing support bardin or kruber

[subtle robin]

well, we get to either have fun or be effective, not both

[autumn marten]

you know how weapons have tags like Flurry - Force weapon? the character classes have the same in character creation

[stuck bridge]

im shooting lightning to murder hordes

[warm meteor]

some people didnt like their CC focussed classes, but i did

[subtle robin]

keep in mind that it's your team doing that

[stuck bridge]

yeah i understand that

[hard breach]

Wrong staff for that, railgun

[stuck bridge]

heh

[acoustic pine]

I mean just run an axe you can 1tap enemies after ccing them

[viscid matrix]

cc is fine, but we should be a glass canon, not a cc bot

[stuck bridge]

i have a lightning thing and seeing lightning just CC makes me sad to be fair

it is very strong*

[subtle robin]

it can even stop mutants

[ionic moon]

BB???

[acoustic spade]

Disagree, imo that niche falls to the Veteran of being a Glass Cannon

[stuck bridge]

that's a huge positive

[viscid matrix]

brain blast

[subtle robin]

brain burst

[potent echo]

jimmy neutron?

[warm meteor]

also watching the enemies spasm is fun

[acoustic pine]

I feel like on the DPS side though, they should really buff the soulblaze talents. Soulblaze stuff is so bad right now

[weak aspen]

is surge staff bugged with all +damage traits? mine tickles scabs but absolutely murders traitor guards

[subtle robin]

true

[sly thunder]

Vet has 2x the base toughness of ours.

[acoustic spade]

Brain Buzzer

[autumn marten]

But uh, bad news guys

[hard breach]

True

[autumn marten]

looks like we are supposed to be the support

[subtle robin]

everything is bugged with these traits

[warm meteor]

heh i knew it

[acoustic pine]

It does more damage to armored enemies, and does like no damage to infested

[stuck bridge]

blah

[autumn marten]

laaaame

gimme damage

[acoustic spade]

you are the kind of person that used to play ADC Soraka in League of Legends back in Season 2

[stuck bridge]

BB insta pop would be kinda neat after you use F

[hard breach]

Meh. Burn those instead, zealot

[viscid matrix]

according the the pysker post in news, we are big damage big risk

[hard breach]

Not worth our time

[acoustic pine]

Just melee infested, or left click on them

[wispy tangle]

not a bug, surge staff does less damage on unarmoured, and much more on armoured

[warm meteor]

hey our current dreamer is a psykenetic, he is about force pushes. once we get an alternate psyker with a different discipline you'll have your wish

[wispy tangle]

try it in meat grinder

[sly thunder]

“Effective against elite enemies” lmao
Tell that to the Vet I play with

[autumn marten]

didn't play back then, but I did go full AP Soraka top for a while. It even worked with a duo jg that camped. Was fun.

[stuck bridge]

to be fair we dont even start with the starting gear it says in this any more

[subtle robin]

well, we are effective, just not in damaging them

moreover, we give the vet the aura

[viscid matrix]

surge staff on unarmoured trash

[autumn marten]

our aura just makes everyone else better

[viscid matrix]

surge staff on elites with armour

[stuck bridge]

full charge correct?

[viscid matrix]

this is a grey surge staff full charge

[stuck bridge]

nice hp bro

[hard breach]

Can't tell you how many times me surging crushers or other elites saved my teammates asses

[warm meteor]

its an aura its supposed to

[acoustic pine]

I feel like BB should do 200 200 200 while channeling and then 300 at the end instead of 900 at the end, and also if you're channeling on a special/elite that drops under 300 it should just auto complete the channel and kill it

[sly thunder]

“This incredible power and damage output comes at a price.” - That price being that everyone else does it :)

[potent echo]

thats a crit

[acoustic pine]

Would make it all around better at working with your team

[acoustic spade]

Full ADC Soraka would have the world's slowest auto attack missile banana slowly creep on the enemy during a fight and they'd just explode

[wispy tangle]

that's why you have people who say surge does no damage and people who say it does, because the people who think it doesn't are trying to surge a dog or infested mobs to death which it has very weak damage on, but people who know how surge staff works know to max charge on things like maulers and watch em get bodied so quick the CC isn't even necessary

[viscid matrix]

yeh i noticed, it crits hard, not so much when it doesnt

[autumn marten]

Only understand half of that, but I like what I get.

[acoustic pine]

surging a dog

[viscid matrix]

563 damage to a crusher is shit

[autumn marten]

Oh yes. Nobody expects the banana.

[acoustic pine]

gotta stun the dog and then melee it

[hard breach]

I mean it stops it flat

Same with muties

[subtle robin]

surging dogs is one of the better uses tbh

[autumn marten]

I just melee shove. Sends the fucker tumbling

[acoustic pine]

yeah but like spam surging a dog trying to kill it is useless

[wispy tangle]

yeah it's funny, try doing t5 meat grinder and surge staff the dog, count how many casts it takes to kill it lmao

[acoustic pine]

is what I mean

[stuck bridge]

my issue with the "good at CC" argument is that it doesn't matter when I'm CCing a horde (bar elites/specials) because my Vet can cleave them in seconds then pop the elites that are running close

[acoustic spade]

flamestaff makes the dogs behave weird

[acoustic pine]

you don't CC a horde

[stuck bridge]

i think the dogs are just weird in general

[viscid matrix]

even with crit, it does shit damage to the specialists

[hard breach]

Nah never do that I just do it to stop it

[acoustic pine]

you don't have the target count, and lightning does bad damage on horde

[warm meteor]

if your vet is soloing the entire game then its an auto win

[stuck bridge]

[acoustic pine]

Melee hordes, CC elites and smaller groups

[viscid matrix]

it hits 7 total

[acoustic pine]

you can left click horde with surge staff too

it 1shots if you have a good wep

[stuck bridge]

CC scabs will kill them pretty fast i suppose

[sly thunder]

I’ve just accepted my place as the horde thinner with Voidstrike ;-;

[acoustic spade]

sometimes they continue as normal but knockdown without pinning cause they are on fire

[hard breach]

Tbh with a horde my slaughterer force sword gets the job done

[cyan echo]

also remember to get the feat with bonus force weapon damage on high peril!

[stuck bridge]

at least voidstrike feels fun to a degree

[acoustic pine]

I feel like force sword is terrible for horde

[wispy tangle]

targeting matters a lot, the surge staff seems to do the most damage to the first target it connects to, and then weaker hits spread out, so it can look weaker than it is if you're not selecting targets correctly

[autumn marten]

voidstrike is satisfying tho

[stuck bridge]

im mixed on it

[hard breach]

Depends on how you use it

[acoustic spade]

Spam force sword push

[subtle robin]

correct

[wispy tangle]

you should always target things like maulers first because of this

[viscid matrix]

spreads to 6 from the first total

[acoustic pine]

yes spam the 0 damage push

[teal swallow]

Yeah I prefer voidstike for its all-round usefulness.

[acoustic pine]

amazing horde clear

[warm meteor]

voidstrike suppresses las teams very well for some reason. they do that animation where you shot them and they run for cover when the final explosion goes off near them

[acoustic spade]

you let the other people kill them

[autumn marten]

its nice for staggering wide angles

[subtle robin]

the push followup on force sword is actually terrible

[stuck bridge]

ah yes a horde, let me push them back for 0 damage so my Vet can wipe em out

[autumn marten]

correct, dont waste peril on it

[sly thunder]

Void Strike is great fun. Considering I can throw multiple full charged strikes in the time it takes to charge 1 BB, I end up just using it and pretending I don’t have BB.

[warm meteor]

the best attack on the staffs is the melee

[stuck bridge]

literally me right now

[warm meteor]

XD

jk

[acoustic pine]

Idk I feel like the combat axe mk 5 outperforms force sword on everything but the occasional safe elite special kill

[viscid matrix]

it does more damage than a BB if you have elites trait and hit elites

[stuck bridge]

combat axe mk5 feels great

like actually

[acoustic pine]

it's so good

[warm meteor]

but can your axe block bullets?

[wispy tangle]

it's ok, not great, but it does the job well enough. its main selling point is the insane boss, elite and special killing power it has, so it can't be the best weapon in the game for everything. being mediocre at hordes is the price you pay for the power

[teal swallow]

Voidstrike is also the lowest cost at 22 peril on a full charge

[sly thunder]

“This is my stagger stick”

[acoustic pine]

No but my force sword can't block bullets either

:(

[surreal solstice]

its got its uses, you can round up a massive group to burn with purgatos staff

[viscid matrix]

my sword can block bullets, its the only reason why i off tank

[subtle robin]

it doesn't have the range for it

[stuck bridge]

i actually dont understand this at all, lmao

[surreal solstice]

wut

[autumn marten]

but the followup shove ignores stagger resistance on its main target, so you can shove over maulers and ragers in one attack

[stuck bridge]

the surge cost is expensive

[warm meteor]

i feel your pain. keep rerolling those weapon traits ;-;

[acoustic pine]

I feel like force sword is a good combo with voidstrike

[teal swallow]

Surge is like 38 peril cost on a full charge

[subtle robin]

if you standing right next to them

[stuck bridge]

lucky getting deflector tbh

that's rad as hell

[autumn marten]

considering what happens with maulers and ragers, you usually are xD

[acoustic spade]

How do you reroll weapon traits if the game doesnt give you more than one force sword at a time :<

[viscid matrix]

im gonna be putting iton another weapon later

[viscid matrix]

after launch we can

[autumn marten]

cry and wait for launch

[acoustic spade]

yeah but rn

[warm meteor]

void strike is our most solid all round staff i think. kills hordes, decent long range and can suppress ranged units and has CC capabilities

[stuck bridge]

38 cost for a 5 target CC with low damage 😭

[warm meteor]

surge is the most epic ranged CC ever

[subtle robin]

if you can't dodge them, you just get hit by the dudes behind them, because the push doesn't reach them

[autumn marten]

the initial stagger does tho.

[teal swallow]

Trauma cost like 48 tho lol

[stuck bridge]

not worth it

[warm meteor]

ive dodged maulers, not ragers as often tho

[stuck bridge]

fuck that

[teal swallow]

Yeah

[subtle robin]

it doesn't have the range anymore

[warm meteor]

ive been able to retreat dodge ragers

[cyan echo]

its so funny pushing a Crusher on its ass with force push

[sly thunder]

I think the reason Voidstrike is so cheap is because it’s mostly a ranged damage option. It’s not insane CC or Status so they felt it should be used as a primary weapon. So I think it’s fine.

[warm meteor]

but not side dodge

[ornate hamlet]

What does warp flurry mean?

[subtle robin]

i mean-if you are up against a wall

[viscid matrix]

you can do it with force sword too, except it yeets him back aswell

[acoustic pine]

I feel like the chainsword does the same job as force sword though, with a bit less singletarget but much better horde management

[stuck bridge]

yeah i dont think there's any reason they'll nerf it by increasing the cost

[acoustic pine]

Like without deflection, force sword feels like a meme

[warm meteor]

thats definitely an avoidable problem with proper positioning and knowledge of where enemies spawn in each level

[cyan echo]

force push is the secondary of the force sword

[autumn marten]

just to be clear, I'm not saying its super good, just that it has its use. really is more just to make it easier to live for 3 seconds while your team does all the killing. Story of a psyker

[teal swallow]

Alright freaks good talk. Update is done back to grinding

[viscid matrix]

knock em back a bit

[dusty thunder]

Why is that?

[sly thunder]

When it comes to staves though my biggest complaint is the flames staff. Why is it’s primary that god awful puff of smoke. I get it has some stagger but whenever I use that staff I feel terrible at having no Ranged weapon

[stuck bridge]

yeah maybe so, I do like the force sword special though

[warm meteor]

how long will the game be down

[cyan echo]

Crusher doin' the ol Yamcha pow

[acoustic pine]

@dusty thunder long conversation about it already, can scroll up

[subtle robin]

we are talking about the usefullness of force sword push attack

[stuck bridge]

unfortunately this is what im working with in regards to my force sword

https://i.imgur.com/WHZgFYm.png

[autumn marten]

Force sword special does feel nice, and does more damaged to armored enemies than BB, it feels like

[stuck bridge]

i think it actually does

[acoustic pine]

I have a 493 force sword but the traits are just damage stuff

[autumn marten]

I know it does more dmg to maulers than BB

[subtle robin]

correct

[acoustic pine]

I feel like the special is bad in higher difficulties though

[stuck bridge]

https://i.imgur.com/GX1bQ26.png

[autumn marten]

Oh yeah

[acoustic pine]

Enemy density is too high half the time you use it you get hit

[dusty thunder]

Force sword is actually really good. Voidstrike a force sword almost make bb useless other than sniping

[viscid matrix]

it can do 3k damage to a mutie, how is it bad?

[subtle robin]

they really shouldn't have nerfed force sword push range tbh

[cyan echo]

yiu can hit then dodge back

[viscid matrix]

it does 3 BB to a mutie

[acoustic pine]

Also the special has an issue where it sometimes doesn't CC what you hit with it

[autumn marten]

cuz they show up in such big hordes, and the cost is too much

plus mutie takes 3x melee dmg anyway

[acoustic pine]

@cyan echo doesn't that cancel the animation?

A lot of the time I use it on a mutie and the mutie just grabs me because it doesn't get CCed for whatever reason

[sly thunder]

Personally, lacerate combat knife is my go-to melee. Idk why but the knife has easily felt the best to me all game.

[acoustic pine]

lacerate is bugged and OP yes

[sly thunder]

I mean I loved knives before lacerate

[stuck bridge]

is it the dodge that feels good?

[acoustic spade]

what update?

[viscid matrix]

is it bugged, or does it work in Damnation properly?
at least it does damage, our soulburn caps at like 150 or 200

[acoustic pine]

Yeah knife is generally solid

Lacerate counts bleed ticks as a non weakpoint hit

so if you hit enemies with anything they will quickly hit max bleed stacks forever

[hollow halo]

where my palpatine RPers at
surge staff gang

[acoustic pine]

On psyker this should include your push

[viscid matrix]

we all use it when we dont void staff, since its hte best cc weapon

[warm meteor]

definitely unwieldly during a horde, deflection is a much better reason to use it then the push. as long as you are well positioned tho if the push ends up not targetting the mauler you should have time to dodge its slow attacks. rager would be a bigger issue. im not an expert on controlling horder by any means but it might be possible to reliably isolate them with the right knowledge

[sly thunder]

The dodge, the light chain is great for things on top of me, and the charged attack headshots feel great. Plus it’s fun to punch stagger.

[hollow halo]

wish they made the other 2 better though, they're fun to use

[autumn marten]

just make wrath do dmg based on warp charges and it'll even out the kit a lot for like 2 different builds.

[acoustic spade]

tbh when Im playing with randoms I take the flamestaff :>

[autumn marten]

BB still garbo tho

[stuck bridge]

the (rare) flamestaff user

never touched it

[acoustic spade]

Flamestaff feels good

not talking balance wise

the feeling of using it

is good

[sly thunder]

Ahhh I see. I thought it was weird when I tried it in the Grinder. But I was on board with it, it’s rare to have good bleed in games, and it didn’t trivialise big enemies. Just a constant dot.

[warm meteor]

like maulers are taller then most enemies and we know the push tend to target the person closest to you on your reticle, could aiming the push up into the maulers head make it reliably miss the horde but push the mauler?

[acoustic spade]

I have come here to Werf Flammen

[hollow halo]

yeah the blue flames look sick, too bad the damage is arse

[autumn marten]

I kinda jump the other way. Voidstaff with randos, flame with party queue

[warm meteor]

the flame staff is decent with the right talents and traits

it just really relies on those talents and traits

[acoustic spade]

iirc I only have a blue staff that says I cant be interrupted

[warm meteor]

other staffs dont

[hollow halo]

i don't see the point of it over electric, but fair enough. Guess you can farm warp charges

[worn canopy]

I only use flame staff

[acoustic spade]

my Voidstaff has the Soulblaze on crit ":D"

[young monolith]

flame staff goes hard

[stuck bridge]

i am running 6 warp charges + soulblaze on wrath

[acoustic spade]

so whatever I do something is always on fire

[hollow halo]

gimme

[wise pecan]

What traits work well on flame staff?

[stuck bridge]

the soulblaze there feels fine-ish for hordes and then mix it with the voidstrike staff and it does a good job mostly i suppose

[acoustic pine]

I think a good way to buff BB would be making it not having a "duration" per se, but just make it a continuous channel that ticks 200, and burst 300 if the enemy drops under 300 hp. So in higher difficulties if you can get a lock on an enemy you can kill them, it will just likely max your peril and take a bit if it's something higher HP.

[sly thunder]

I would use the flame staff if they gave it the regular staff light attack

[acoustic spade]

eww no

You must sprinkle a little flame on your enemies

[autumn marten]

yeah, I like having soulflame wrath, with the soulflame on excess warp charges, and the warp charge chance in coherency. then peril resistance per warp charge, and toughness per peril quell. If I have a solid team, I have low peril, max charges, high toughness regen, and everything burns

[young monolith]

the reg attack is ass tho ngl

[stuck bridge]

i think all of the staves need different primary attacks like the flame staff tbh

[sly thunder]

When there’s a squad of gunners across a gap and I’m using the flame staff it’s just so depressing

[acoustic pine]

nah

[jaunty umbra]

everything burns *for 1 damage

[acoustic spade]

seconded

[sly thunder]

Cover sim

[acoustic pine]

I like that surge staff has the primary it does

[wise pecan]

Just saltbae them with soulfire

[gleaming siren]

It builds up with stacks like the other DoTs I believe.

[stuck bridge]

just makes them wholely unique idk

[acoustic spade]

thats fine, but atleast make Trauma Staffs autoattack unique

[autumn marten]

yeah, but pretty glowy fire. (Also if they buff soulflame, it has potential to absolutely destroy hordes)

[acoustic spade]

make it explode on contact

[acoustic pine]

lightning deals like 10% damage to infested, if the left click was lightning too that would annoy me

[merry sentinel]

Is it possible the surge force staff is a bit meh?

[acoustic spade]

small grenadelauncher staff

[jaunty umbra]

it's still piss though, unfortunately

[wise pecan]

It’s great for cc… and little else

[warm meteor]

because it can hard warp charge farm you can utilize the "when you get a warp charge but have max warpcharges a nearby enemy gets 4 stacks of soulblaze" to great effect. Im a surge user myself but ive seen gameplay of high level flame staffs to know the thing kills lots with the right build but im not fully sure what the build is

[merry sentinel]

Thanks!

[stuck bridge]

just make it a sick ass single target lightning bolt or somethin

[merry sentinel]

What's usually the best build atm? If there is (similar to bolter/plasma on veteran)

[acoustic pine]

@warm meteor got a link? As far as I can tell that playstyle is pretty terrible

[stuck bridge]

doesnt even need to work differently

[autumn marten]

i put mine up above a little, I can tag it here in my next message

[autumn marten]

here

[acoustic pine]

in theory you can get a bunch of fire on stuff, but in practice you take forever to do it and you're just doing no damage

[stuck bridge]

oh bless up ive been doing this

[acoustic pine]

other people will just kill stuff before you can get high stacks

[autumn marten]

its really fun when you have a team that can capitalize on the mass staggers

[worn canopy]

Wish the alt fires on staff wasn’t something dumb that no one uses

[sly thunder]

I mean id be happy if they removed the staff beat down button, and gave each staff type a special fitting the staff. Like, the puff for flamer, Voidstrike could just blow up an orb at arm’s length, etc. as fun as it is to beat things, and as situationally useful it is, it would be nice to have more magic

[autumn marten]

also really nice for protecting someone reviving

[warm meteor]

I have watched hundreds of youtube vids since then and i dont even like the flame staff so im not passionate enough to look that far in my watch history

[acoustic pine]

The stagger on flame staff is actually really bad, it doesn't stagger most non horde

[worn canopy]

I used flame staff/flamethrower in vt2 like religiously

[warm meteor]

but i did see a heresy level game where he played with friends and solo'd a horde to demonstrate

[worn canopy]

It’s just more flamethrower for me

[wise pecan]

Why the toughness on quell instead of toughness on warp charge?

[analog juniper]

Make the staff special attack actually do some damage

[worn canopy]

It’s alright on first target

[stuck bridge]

you dont like bonking people for one (1) damage?

[warm meteor]

yeah since the left click has better stagger i think it has to mix them in at times

[shell ferry]

Does he just bonk someone on staff special?

[acoustic pine]

Oh you know what psyker REALLY needs IMO, a feat that gives quell on melee kill

That could make a very smooth playstyle

[sly thunder]

As a classic small brain Beam Staff user, I miss having 3 different firing styles on my stick

[worn canopy]

Or quell on kill on a weapon

Like Vermintide 1

[warm meteor]

it actually works like siennas staff that has the same moves

[stuck bridge]

my brain originally thought psyker would work like this

[analog juniper]

I never use it cause its so slow and does less damage than a level 1 low damage weapon

[wise pecan]

I mean, you already have a %chance to quell on kill

Unless you mean a feat to turn that % into a guarantee

[warm meteor]

i would love a staff that is similar in style to siennas spam bolt staff

[worn canopy]

Might

[gleaming summit]

There is also a weapon blessing for quell on weakspot kills. I have that on a staff

[acoustic pine]

Yeah I mean a playstyle where you spam peril then swap to melee and quell yourself much faster than auto quell

[warm meteor]

but instead of being focussed on headshots its a suppression king like ogryns heavy stubber

[autumn marten]

The purge staff procs the 10% quell passive a ridiculous amount, and generally has a faster quell speed then the others, so it actually feels a bit more consistent, especially since its instant and not over 5s. Pair that with wrath applying the fire, and instantly giving you back 25% toughness, its a nice panic button that push back, dmgs a little, and stuns. Its almost always enough time for a free revive in a swarm.

[acoustic pine]

Kinda like bounty hunter in VT2 having the reload on melee kill thing

[warped linden]

Personally I don't like the flame staff or the flamethrower weapon for zealot. the flame effects need some transparancy so you can actually bloody see something

[sly thunder]

To be fair, the quell speed when swapping to a non-force weapon is already insane. It’s the main reason I don’t run Force Sword. Switching to a knife, my peril is gone in like 3 seconds for some reason

[autumn marten]

there's a reason flamethrower units sweep. You cant see anything, so you better hit everything

[analog juniper]

a gift for you

[weary wasp]

Flame is good for hordes but you have to rely on allies to clear off the specials. Tho psy BB has that covered too

[autumn marten]

listen man, I wanted a flamethrower, not a welder

xD

[wise pecan]

Also in my experience if you don’t sweep you’ll be wasting ammo on a line that’s already completely cleared

[sly thunder]

looks awkwardly as it takes 2 BBs to kill a single burster

[autumn marten]

I wish it killed that fast, but I sweep because it'll stumble in a wide angle, so I dont get pushed around the sides

[warm meteor]

it takes one surge staff use to stun said burster for so long even a blind vet could shoot it

[warped linden]

also i like the CC effect of the zappy staff or outright kill potential of void staff better but hey that's theres several types right? so if you like one palystyle better you can do that

[wise pecan]

The flamer at least kills that fast, haven’t tested the flamethrower staff

[weary wasp]

Heresy+ is kind of bullying for bb

[warm meteor]

im of the same mind

[warped linden]

and we can alla gree the trauma staff is the worst staff right?

[autumn marten]

yeah thats just plain stupid. If i take the time to charge that shit on an enemy sprinting at me, it better fuckin kill him

[analog juniper]

it's only bad cause it generates way too much peril

it would be decent otherwise

[warm meteor]

sienna has the same weapon and its fine in vermintide. are we sure its not its wacky shooting style making it feel bad

[autumn marten]

Ive got some bad news. Flamer does more than 3x the purge staff, and has higher max dot dmg

[wise pecan]

Yeah, bb has no excuse to not one-shot hounds and pox bursters for what it costs in time and peril

[static epoch]

get kinetic barrage 😛

[devout kelp]

I feel like Voidstrike does everything Trauma does but also has long range and... Well more stopping power.

[wise pecan]

Yeah trauma is bad

[analog juniper]

it's not a solution for the class' main ability to be trash on higher difficulty

[warped linden]

^

[autumn marten]

its better balanced in V2.

[acoustic pine]

I mean the flamer damage bar increases the damage AND tick rate of the flamer

[shell ferry]

Apart from that its probably hilarious and faster than switching weapons to just do a quick bonk and dash away.

[warm meteor]

also even half bursting someones brain kills them, brain burst needs to be upgraded

[acoustic pine]

purge staff is just damage I think

[static epoch]

i agree, but, if you can aim on the target twice, it's just about the same ttk

[autumn marten]

nah, it does the same, its just worse at both

[warm meteor]

you could be right. the game isnt even out and the staffs are balanced pretty well despite that. perhaps in the future we will see trauma get tweaked to be really good

[acoustic pine]

"if you can do a full charge purge staff on one enemy twice"

Yes, this is why it's bad

[devout kelp]

My mom died a couple months ago from a burst artery in her brain. Instantaneously and without warning.

Moral of the story is BB is trash and should be a lot stronger.

[acoustic pine]

that takes so long

[static epoch]

oh i meant bb. with kinetic barrage, it's not optimal but it kind of works.

[acoustic pine]

@devout kelp that's because she's a horde mob those already get 1shot

[viscid matrix]

staffs are not balanced, every other class weapon from endgame builds are better in everyway

[weary wasp]

Bb cost is negligeble since you can edge it at 90%. But it makes no sense why the damage doesn't scale with difficulty, at the very least

[wise pecan]

To be fair, your mother was probably not blessed by nurgle

[acoustic pine]

Well Surge staff is fine TBH, and Voidstrike is pretty good

[devout kelp]

... No she was healthy, so indeed she was not I guess lol

[viscid matrix]

shit damage but good cc

and void doesnt do enough, compared to plasma and botler

[acoustic pine]

But Trauma is bad and Purgatus is more of a fun meme

[autumn marten]

thats my hope, I think its really cool, and was fun when I first used, its just that the peril cost is way too much. I mean its more than BB, and it doesnt kill elites in even the lower diffs. it needs a lower cost, and either larger aoe or more dmg

[acoustic pine]

Plasma and bolter have ammo though

[autumn marten]

I was also a sienna main in V2

[warm meteor]

i meant compared to each other. and psyker as a whole is weaker then the other classes but we have support tools that elevate us pass being just good for damage so we have a place still

[devout kelp]

I want to like the Purgatus staff but the issue isn't the staff.
The issue is that suddenly we have no mid/long range response/defense. And we're already fragile as is.

[analog juniper]

Psyker's place: Spam Surge staff for CC or be mostly useless

[warm meteor]

also on maps with tons of hordes the flamer is incredibly ammo starved

[autumn marten]

yeah, looking at it, psyker just feels like a nice tool to have on a full team with the others, not a fully functioning class on its own.

[viscid matrix]

except we have worse health and damage than everyone, despite of supposed to be glass cannon with high damage for high cost

[static epoch]

this is why we play psyker so we can sometimes have a harder time but also getting gooder better and faster

[acoustic pine]

I feel like all staffs should work like Brain Burst though. If you start charging under 97%, you don't blow up. If you start charging at 100%, you have time after you cast to press F

Starting to charge at like 90% and instantly blowing up because of a bug is so dumb

[devout kelp]

This. The Surge staff feels straight bugged ngl.

[analog juniper]

it may be a bug or the hidden buffer isnt there at all

cause the insta explode isnt fun

[warm meteor]

thats not our description according to someone screenshot they shared earlier

[acoustic pine]

I think if you start charging at 100% with surge you will insta blow up every time

[autumn marten]

I will say, (except for low levels) it does look like psykers play smarter on average.

[analog juniper]

not even 100%

[wise pecan]

Yeah the psyker’s place I think is almost replicating the effects of other classes (strong cc, horde clear, etc) but without draining ammo

[devout kelp]

Except if you F vent

[warped linden]

the peril mechanic is kind of more irritating than fun just in general tbh

[viscid matrix]

looks like we are suposed to have incredible power with a price

[autumn marten]

only with staffs, BB is the exception

[rugged compass]

My place is to enjoy Voidstrike and just punching holes in hordes

[analog juniper]

yes, and you have to vent before the attack animation completes or it's 💥

[rugged compass]

I'm sure it's not efficient or whatever but it's fun

[acoustic pine]

@fallow jolt I think you missed what I said lol

[tidal adder]

And if the special putton did brain burst with the staff perks, it would solve the scaling too - sure it would make the grenade useless, but it is mostly as it is now anyway on T4+

[devout kelp]

"Peril Management" isn't a selling point, it's taxation

[weary wasp]

I had plenty of psykers that don't bother with specials. It varies

[sour coral]

95% doesn’t overload your peril. Maybe even 96% but I don’t recall.

[compact cargo]

97%

[tame quiver]

you are just bad at the game if you think that. Seriously.

[viscid matrix]

my image is from the psyker spotlight

the devs wrote incredible damage at a price, and we dont have that

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/5349741308800854161

[analog juniper]

it's the only other decent staff other than UNLIMITED POWWAAA

[compact cargo]

Psyker elite kill is lacking tho

[acoustic pine]

Oh yeah that's another thing

what even is the staff special

[analog juniper]

lol, sure.

[weary wasp]

Good to know

[acoustic pine]

please give us something actually useful

[autumn marten]

No I did, but it seemed like it was on purpose in one of the beta patches, since they made it more capable of spamming at high percent if you quell for 1 second to go below 97%

[tidal adder]

A Thonk

[viscid matrix]

the psyker is a Glass

we dont have our cannon

[static epoch]

i love managing peril, it's an important resource that is seemingly endlessly teachable

[rugged compass]

Voidstrike kills elites pretty good

[autumn marten]

like they specified the 97% safee threshold

[acoustic pine]

yeah I know

[compact cargo]

You can do 98% at 6 warp charges and peril reduction

[acoustic pine]

do that with staves

[tame quiver]

i am doing damnation runs on psyker and i am using a catachan sword and a lasgun. You don't have to use staffs you know they are optional

[tidal adder]

And flamer staff actually scales with psyker perks, imagine that..

[acoustic pine]

starting a charge with surge at 83% and blowing up instantly is so annoying

[subtle robin]

you don't blow up with voidstrike

[rugged compass]

I love peril until I overcharge and forget my cd isn't ready yet

[subtle robin]

if altfire is cast before 100%

[tidal adder]

But force sword special wont count as brain burst D:<

[acoustic pine]

because peril for some reason has momentum from quelling so sometimes 83 is safe sometimes it isn;t

[warm meteor]

tbf our force swords special attack outdamages weapons with similar specials (or at least mine outdamages my chainsword)

[devout kelp]

You don't have to, but at that point it feels like a starved Vet. Our kit doesn't sync well with non-Warp or non-Force weapons.

[rugged compass]

Forcesword special is pretty slick

I don't get why we have guns at all

[analog juniper]

LOL, look at this big brain man.
NOT using the class specific weapons cause they arent good on those difficulties. Why not just play a veteran?

[autumn marten]

eh, the staves are way more effective at base than bb tho anyway, I think its still a little fair. Maybe it could use some cost adjustments, but I dont think it should get the safe spam like BB

[viscid matrix]

cool, might as well have another vet on the team, would do more damage than a psyker with those

they have minimum 25% more weak point damage passive plus can have more from feats

[rugged compass]

Like they don't work with our talents, why are they there

[devout kelp]

Not that you can't do Damnation without our kit. You can. But at that point why even be a Psyker.

[full dagger]

The flame staff still crashes

[wise pecan]

Important question: if you aren’t using psyker’s weapons, and his feats all revolve around a skill that takes geological time to work, why are you playing psyker?

[warm meteor]

and not all descriptions talk about the damage. this could be that the design space for psyker was split and thats why we have descriptions that describe a damage dealer and ones that describe a more supportive role

[warped linden]

tbh all i ever use BB for anymore is to pop snipers and grenaders

[devout kelp]

Fashion, sibling

[tidal adder]

veterans dont have as blue eyes.

[viscid matrix]

except the design and premise for psyker was elite killer and high damage with a high price

we dont have that

[acoustic pine]

@autumn marten it takes like half a second longer to quell to safe values with staves, that's not the point. The point is staves overheating and blowing you up when you don't expect them to for a number of reasons

[weary wasp]

Siena was also ass at launch tho

[tidal adder]

well what about the 3% damage increase per stack from passive ?! didnt think about that huh?

[autumn marten]

yep. Though I cant help charging one to hit dogs, muties, and bursters as they show up. I'll let my team handle the rest after that

[devout kelp]

We also don't really have the other side of the coin, so there's that.
At least we get nothing.

[acoustic pine]

It's annoying doing BB a bunch and being used to it being safe then swapping to your staff and hitting 100% on reflex because you were just BB spamming

It's just bad design having these work differently

[warped linden]

surge staff to paralize them and let teammates deal with it

[tidal adder]

I use them on bulwarks, charge first one, Use the F with faster charge and get rid of them fairly fast

[magic nebula]

The big ogryns (bulwark etc.) takes a very big chunk from a BB. Depends on the teamsetup though, wether that's "your job" or not.

[tame quiver]

@analog juniper @wise pecan the catachan sword is the fastest trash clearer, the lasgun is for midrange and bb is for singletarget. with bb being the main purpose of psy to begin with. You exist to do singletarget damage. Most of the perks can be tuned to either enhance or support BB, for example cerebral lacerations. You guys don't have to use staffs whatsoever. They suck anyway.

[autumn marten]

aaaah I see. Yeah I can kinda agree with you on that. But honestly It's something I've just gotten aware of now. I rarely get caught with those staff pops anymore, after practicing a bit.