psyker-class

[scarlet barn]

they serve different purposes, its your BB for when shit hits the fan

afterall, if you bb in a horde you will find out what its like to drop the soap

[wide quest]

If it hits the head, then it's a 1 shot I believe.

[wise pecan]

unless brain burst gets some pretty major changes, i honestly think i'm just gonna drop psyker. its penances are insane, its weapons are subpar (and all draw from the same pool), brain burst is so slow that anyone with a gun can see you highlight an enemy and kill them before you do (especially if you're on Heresy+, where it takes two to finish an enemy), and to counter all those amazing strengths you also have the lowest hp

[scarlet barn]

force sword lets you do insane burst dps while still having a sword for CC

[viscid matrix]

we are the Glasscannon without the cannon

[wraith tundra]

We are the Glass

[charred topaz]

i brain burst like 1-2 times per mission unless there is a monstrosity in which case i Brain burst once per 5 seconds if possible

[quartz drum]

The Glass are we

[wide quest]

I'm gonna stick to psyker just because I hang onto the hope of being able to become bare chested and have everyone witness my magnificent chest hair.

[viscid matrix]

the heavy attack force sword special does more damage to a crusher then the BB

thats pathetic

[marble drift]

lol I thought you said you didn't use BB /s
that's about how often I use it and I still say that I use it.

[viscid matrix]

this did more damage than brain burst against a crusher

[south monolith]

BB replaces our grenade which is limited for other classes

[wide quest]

I mean do crushers even have brains or use them? Can we even crush their brains if they're so small/unimportant?

[charred topaz]

i'd rather have a grenade

[hybrid thicket]

im dying if u go in the other chats its all chill. meanwhile people in here losin it

[viscid matrix]

id rather the vets grenade tbh

[wise pecan]

other classes are not entirely focused around their grenade

[languid trellis]

pretty sure everyone would love to have Vets grenade

no matter the class

[marble drift]

I mean we can use it on the voreslug, and I thought that was just an autonomous cyst

[wide quest]

Regular psykers in their natural habitat.

[viscid matrix]

we have reason to be angry, its demorilizing in damnation and heresy, because we are only useful as cc with surge taff and horde clearing with void staff/purge staff

[hybrid thicket]

yall need ur copium

[wide quest]

We're about to commit mass boom boom fr.

[wise pecan]

psykers in darktide only doing slightly better than psykers on terra

[hybrid thicket]

Fatshark knows best just look at the VT2 launch

[quartz drum]

Psyker is fun tho

[fluid crescent]

LOL

[scarlet barn]

ill agree tp this

[fluid crescent]

[scarlet barn]

psyker is a erally fun class

[wide quest]

I too.

[wise pecan]

i think psyker has the potential to be fun, but isn't at the moment. unless getting blueballed is your kink, then it's probably great

[scarlet barn]

but not as competitive in the end game

i mean you wreck house in level 2-3

[quartz drum]

Yup.

[south monolith]

Psyker has dummy thicc block if you invest into it. There are a lot of things it can do better than other classes.

[wide quest]

I think we're all masochists in a way.

Even more so if you did those penances.

[scarlet barn]

i mean after all, fun != good

[dapper bluff]

Psykers gameplay loop is the most interesting/fun but its also the least rewarding by far as is

[quartz drum]

Thats how you grow that chest hair

[wide quest]

Those horrible, horrible penances.

[scarlet barn]

some of the most fun games ive had ended up in some silly fail

[wide quest]

But damn, flexing those drip is worth it.

[wraith tundra]

nice to know I am not the only one that thinks psyker is underwhelming

[hybrid thicket]

still crying myself to sleep over pick n mix its the last one i need

[charred topaz]

so when the black ships take psykers to the golden throne, i like to think in the lore the ships have giant ferris wheels inside them to keep the psykers in check. After all, this game has revealed warp magic doesnt work on elevators

[quartz drum]

Fun does not equal good imo. Im not good at piano, but I still play and have fun

[scarlet barn]

seeing a psyker with his red hood you know you playing with someone mentally unstable

[wide quest]

Yes, my beloved. You can never have too many chest hair.

[wise pecan]

i mean, sure, but the only time blocking actually improves your situation is if you're reviving someone

[wide quest]

A red hood with green highlight.

[scarlet barn]

yuuup

[wise pecan]

otherwise, all blocking does is delay your loss

which can be valuable in itself

but i wouldn't focus a build around it

[wide quest]

For now my brain burst is bleeding everything.

Literally.

Some how, idk.

[wise pecan]

dagger?

[wide quest]

Yeah.

I learned of it.

[wise pecan]

that's what it is

[wide quest]

On my 2nd attempt at the penance.

[mint burrow]

Just waiting for espionage...

[scarlet barn]

anyways question for my psyker mains, on a scale of 1-10 how much of a schizo did you make your character in the backstory

[wide quest]

3rd and final attempt when I got it was a pain, running around the tunnel trying to pop the beast of nurgle.

[marble drift]

I'm not trying to imply people are wrong for trying to enjoy higher difficulties, but I only have the perspective of malice and lower because that's what my friends are comfortable with so I don't encounter the issues Chialde and Magus do, so I'm trying to come to understand them no matter how little we see eye to eye

[wide quest]

Then a mutant grabbed my ass who's on 1 hp thanks to corruption and slammed me into the shadow realm.

[marble drift]

whoops, didn't mean for that to be a reply

[scarlet barn]

mines at a solid 7 i think

[safe spear]

Someone have a pic of a Psyker with all the penance gear?

[brazen briar]

doubt anyone has the t3 helm yet

[bold maple]

im actually 1 penance away from t3 helm

and it's the solo a monster one lmao

fuck that

[brazen briar]

lol

[scarlet barn]

same

i dont wanna

[brazen briar]

if they buff BB, ill consider it

[mint burrow]

What penances do you have to do for t2?

[brazen briar]

otherwise my friends are barely good enough for malice

[wide quest]

If you do find the plague ogryn, that penance is quite easy.

[woven wigeon]

I'm quite close to the t3 helm; just need about 30 more games and for the dang Espionage mission to spawn. Hopefully that'll be tomorrow

[quartz drum]

Me too. Missing Going out with a bang

[wide quest]

Otherwise if it's the beast of nurgle, fuck that shit

[marble drift]

I heard that penance is invalidated if so much as a barrel detonates near them

[bitter abyss]

i'll just wait for purchasable aesthetics. t3 helm requirements are just plain silly.

[scarlet barn]

yep... all damage has to be BB

[wise pecan]

the tier 2 ones. that's, i think, 50 missions, all mission types on Malice, 300 seconds max charge on Malice, and suicide bomb 3 elites

[sick magnet]

Does you ability do damage to stop the penance?

[marble drift]

better start saving now, they cost upwards of 120,000 dockets

[quartz drum]

Nooo, sorry. I am tired xD

[wide quest]

I'm currently missing the "kill 5 elites with bb in 10s" and I also haven't done espionage on malice yet, some how, ;-;

[scarlet barn]

they should remake it to be 50% bb, or solo only using warp weapons

[mint burrow]

Not too bad once they fix the 300 second one

[hasty ether]

mission or discription is bugged is 300s on heresy

[charred topaz]

the achievements look so unfun, i just bought store cosmetics and didnt bother lol

[scarlet barn]

it works, have to play heresy

[wise pecan]

mission is bugged, description follows the established penance pattern

[bitter abyss]

espionage on malice is all i need for t2

[quartz drum]

I got the 300s on malice

[mint burrow]

I'm aware however it is implied to be in malice

which is currently bugged

[scarlet barn]

yeah

[marble drift]

it's more than unfun, the solo monster kill actively encourages playing the game wrong

[woven wigeon]

So, I'm not certain, but I will say, the penance took me 3 goes. On the first two, I had been pointing my ult at the monster. On the third attempt, I made it a point to look away when ulting, and I got it. Now, maybe something else went wrong in those first two attempts (damage from teammates, maybe an enemy flamer?), but I'd advise beans to turn around unless there's evidence of the ult not counting

[scarlet barn]

which is funny cause i did get progress in malice, i got 13S

[wise pecan]

"implied"

[scarlet barn]

even though i held for 10 minutes

[charred topaz]

yeah so does the kill yourself with peril one

[marble drift]

exactly

[wide quest]

At least I get to flex that I managed to kill the beast of nurgle by myself while it spat love juice all over me.

[woven wigeon]

I'm more ok with the monster one since it's obviously impossible outside of premades

The suicide one though

oof

[mint burrow]

I got lucky on that one

[woven wigeon]

"Yeah let's encourage beans to grief randoms"

[charred topaz]

remember when they said there couldnt be an endgame scorecard because it would encourage toxicity?

[scarlet barn]

mfw the entire penance system

[wide quest]

I just want them to at least make it so that environmental damage and damage from enemies onto the boss doesn't ruin the penance.

[scarlet barn]

30% of the penances dont actively encourage selfish gameplay

[woven wigeon]

Ye ideally it would be like, 90% damage done is brain blasts so you're not paranoid the whole attempt

[wide quest]

That way it's less pain for you guys, some what.

[marble drift]

I've come to accept shitty people calling out my stats, I've played with parsers

[safe spear]

Penance system for the cosmetics is a great “endgame system” to work towards, if only the penances weren’t actually shit to do.

[bitter abyss]

Force Sword or Dueling Sword? Opinions? i have a 466 orange FS,, but dueling looks neet

[mint burrow]

I like both

Personal preference really

[scarlet barn]

both are super fun

[charred topaz]

do we know what the laurels from penances are for?

[scarlet barn]

flexing so far, maybe tied to something later

[mint burrow]

I'm sure its not for purchases

Probably nothing

[woven wigeon]

Ye I liked having the goals Okri's Challenge gave you for completing all missions on various difficulties for careers I liked, that made more sense for cosmetics I found. Also the Chaos Wastes one, even if the RNG on those could be a bit painful haha

[charred topaz]

hopefully we can use them to buy cosmetics

[marble drift]

if you're a fan of dodging, the dueling sword definitely functions better than the force

[woven wigeon]

Important thing was they didnt make you play the game wrong though, just win

[mint burrow]

I highly doubt it

It's just like gamerscore most likely

[scarlet barn]

^

[charred topaz]

well if the laurels are for nothing then i care even less about penances lol

[quartz drum]

My sword. Like it cause high mov speed, dodge and high crit for holding those lesser creatures off

[marble drift]

I'm betting it's just like triumph score from destiny, yeah

[woven wigeon]

The dueling sword seems to have an issue where after an attack and you're in recovery animation, you cant swap weapons. Which is real painful for a psyker, it's why I swapped off to the knife

[mint burrow]

This. This needs to be fixed.

[raw breach]

For my VT2 vets, any thoughts on "Red" items in Darktide?

[mint burrow]

That's why I stopped using the dueling sword

[quartz drum]

Also, duelling sword works with Warp Absorption when I want to use that

[woven wigeon]

I thought my keyboard was dying lol, but ye its just odd design

[marble drift]

damn, didn't know about that.

[wide quest]

Apart of me wants them to fix the penances a bit, but another part of me wants them to keep it the way it is just so I can flex what sort of masochist I am for doing the psyker's penances.

[charred topaz]

seems unlikely w/ the random stat bars

[wise pecan]

to be fair, just about every category of penance has a "you did all of these" penance that gives you neat weapon gamerswag

[raw breach]

Random stat bars wouldn't matter at all, the whole point of red items, like many other games, is it has default max rolls. It would just make them all full/max

[charred topaz]

yeah but they arent fun so i dun wanna 😛

[wise pecan]

eh, a lot of them are pretty achievable with regular gameplay

"kill a lot of scabs"

"kill one of each scab"

[scarlet barn]

a lot of them are easy, a lot of them fucking suck

[wise pecan]

"block a lot"

[scarlet barn]

the combat ones are natural

missions natural

team natural

[woven wigeon]

Ye the general ones tend to be more about grinding

[scarlet barn]

class ones not really

[wise pecan]

the class ones seem like a 50/50 split of cancerous and fine

[raw otter]

best way to do it is probably having 3 veterans that scout elites and at the begin of chasm station where there can be a lot of them while you try to brain burst them

[wise pecan]

with the cancer concentrated mostly in the psyker

[woven wigeon]

The penances for reviving people are nice though, def encourage me to be a helpful trooper. Especially since Psyker gets insanely good at reviving with that peril block skill letting you just eat rager combos

[wide quest]

The penance I actually enjoyed the most was the one on ogryn where you need to stay in coherency with teammates for the whole mission (the ogryn only).

[raw breach]

I've ran the Espionage missions at least a few times, but my Penance account stat says 0/50, i also have a few that are stuck at 6/7 or 7/8 for progress on "Kill all the types of Scabs" but i'm missing one somehow after 100 missions? I've NEVER seen a single one of that mob type?

[pale pilot]

yeah i've gotten everything for the kill scabs one except the "kill an absolute fuckload of scabs" one because that one needs like rank 5 of that penance and rank 2 requires like 5000 already

[scarlet barn]

weeklies get stuck sometimes

[wise pecan]

i don't mind the penances that you (generally) have to go a bit out of your way for, like lomb bomb or the pox hound brain pop one. the penances that are bad are the ones that fuck over your entire team, or force them to play a specific way

[scarlet barn]

i was on 9/25 missions beat after doing well over 30 that week

[woven wigeon]

Seems there's a specialist that isnt ingame yet

[wise pecan]

the alternative is that fatshark can't count

which would be...strange

they're not Valve

[wide quest]

Or....are they?

[woven wigeon]

Wait a minute

Trouble counting

Odd design behind penances

The devs aren't all Ogryns, are they?

[wide quest]

[raw otter]

6/7 most like the one about maps
and yea we didnt see yet a type of dreg
unless it's bugged
kill all the type of scabs is possible
not for dreg tho

[south monolith]

They can't be bothered with small and confined schedules for release either

[mint burrow]

What are the best perks for the surge staff btw?

[wide quest]

I'd say the crit chance one and the increased charge rate.

[marble drift]

martyrdom

[raw otter]

challenges a bit based on rng also

about psyker ones

[wide quest]

Luck is definitely part of the equation for a lot of the penances on psyker.

[marble drift]

can a staff get "gets hot" do you know?

[raw otter]

if they would ever change them, wouldnt even be fair for the people that did them
but prob def needs to be changed those psyker penances

[raw breach]

The thing with Espionage mission is I know I've run one on the same map at least 3-4 times

[raw otter]

anti teammate challenge

[wide quest]

"Gets hot"?

[lone fractal]

its so hard to do these penances

[marble drift]

it's a plasma gun perk

[vivid merlin]

I have em all done

except

[scarlet barn]

nope

[vivid merlin]

1v1 nurgle

[wide quest]

Nope, you don't get the blessing on the staves sadly.

[vivid merlin]

on nuke town

[marble drift]

shid

[wide quest]

Wait, do you?

I don't even remember.

If it does exist, it's probably a bit rarer than the other blessings.

[raw otter]

yea

[lone fractal]

It's crazy how rn you can just cheese a lot of the worst ones for veterans and zealots

[wide quest]

OH wait wtf my brain go doo doo.

[scarlet barn]

tbf you can cheese psyker penances but its hard

[wide quest]

Yeah you do have something similar to this.

[raw otter]

psyker challenges are like the planets in the solar system when are aligned

[wide quest]

Crit chance scales with peril.

[charred topaz]

how?

[lone fractal]

You can't cheese them. They are all about aligning the planets like the other guy said.

[raw otter]

i believe its not all at once yea
you can do it over time iirc

[scarlet barn]

if you join and a monstrosity is about dead, iirc you can head pop its final hp and it counts

[raw breach]

Yes, but no. It's called Warp Nexus

[scarlet barn]

but that may have been fixed

[lone fractal]

Need a lot of enemies close to a bridge, need 5 elites next to each other, need a monster to shkw up and the team to not attack it

[wide quest]

I wouldn't even call it cheese tbh, just a tactical and efficient way of doing them.

Unless it's some sort of cheese I'm not aware of.

[raw otter]

i believe if a pox bomber put a flaming nade and damage the boss
it's also failed

[marble drift]

Dope, now I just need a better ceiling for it

[wide quest]

Over time as in 2 seconds.

[raw otter]

if a barrel explode and hit the boss
penance failed

i did first try but i understand the "problems"

[craggy wagon]

Hello, I don't understand why I can charge my warp with right click? What is it for?

[charred topaz]

its to charge it up before u see what u want to BB

[wide quest]

I just want them to at least fix this ridiculous shit on that penance where those barrels and enemy damage ruins it.

[scarlet barn]

its pre charging, then you pick a target after

[wise pecan]

it's for preloading a brain burst, basically

[safe spear]

It is 20 at once. That just tracks your “high score”

[scarlet barn]

left click picks a target then charges, right clikc is charging then picking a target

[wise pecan]

or it can be useful for just building up peril on command, ie if you want to maximize your ult's range

[raw otter]

real fix imo
would be like deal x number damage to a boss with brain burst only

team can hit the boss
still but you need only to use brain burst

and deal a certain x number of damage using bb

[craggy wagon]

It allows instant brain burst with left click ? Cause It always seems there's always a delay for that

[wise pecan]

pretty close to instant, if you fully charge it. it's how i got the pox hound penance

[marble drift]

Instant, as in the instant you see them assuming you knew they were coming and were charging it beforehand

[raw otter]

and you dont lock to a specific enemy while doing that

it can swap to every mob while doing m2

then left click to confirm the brain burst

[warm frost]

Is the Uncanny Strike Trait good?

[marble drift]

Yeah, good for crowds if you see your target but are pressed for time

[raw otter]

instant brain burst is kinda the last talent in the row 30
the third one
after an ult you can do bb very fast

and they cost less peril

[craggy wagon]

So I charge it to say 20%, then I wait, see my target, left click and then what? I still have a windup no?

[sacred lodge]

So what should I look into for leveling psyker, like what builds and what weapons?

Just until I get to level 30 and can start digging into the real meat of the game

[wanton sandal]

veterans when they see a psyker brainbursting anything within their sight
https://tenor.com/view/dog-food-gif-22352851

[raw otter]

when they are trying to do pick n mix penance

[spark fractal]

so the 2nd talent has obvious synergies with the purgatus staff, but outside of fire builds, which are kinda fun but not exactly good, i think the 1st talent to reduce cd on the ult is actually my favorite one to pair with a lightning staff

for lvl 30 talents

[brazen briar]

blue hoods

[marble drift]

Yes, but that 20% can make the difference when they’re coming at you and you aren’t sure when you’ll get the opportunity to zero on them

[viscid matrix]

surge staff is the best CC staff, it does average at best damage

Void staf which is available around lvl 18-20 is a good damage staff, its a grenade launcher that pierces all targets and explodes on hit

[charred topaz]

right click does the same thing as left click, fills the white bar. But you can do the right click one with no target. If the white bar fills and you still dont have a target, you keep getting more peril until you use it or let go of the button, at which point the white bar empties

[brazen briar]

prolly why they struggle to keep up stacks

[scarlet barn]

one thing i will say, and i swear by this, warp charges are a noob trap

they really arent that useful

[noble wasp]

I don’t know enough about 40k to understand this

[brazen briar]

lol, i picked the 10% chance on hit to gain charges and the 4% chance one

[scarlet barn]

nothing will die with the bonus 12-18% damage, that wouldnt already be 1 shot without them

[brazen briar]

and i'm always at 4 stacks without even trying

[mint burrow]

Counter point: I like numbers larger.

[scarlet barn]

this

[charred topaz]

until you enter an elevator

[brazen briar]

i really dont care about stacks falling off

takes 2 sec to get them back

[scarlet barn]

i honestly run the soulblaze perk

[spark fractal]

well, yes and no, if you pair it with the extra damage at high perils talent, that 12-18% can add up quite a bit for something you keep at medium - high perils with like a staff

[mint burrow]

Also the talent that increases warp resistance with warp charge is something I never switch off.

[brazen briar]

the red hood you get by doing penance, the blue ones you just buy

[craggy wagon]

Ahhh so you guys use the explosion of peril to kill ennemies? Lol

[scarlet barn]

i mean your staff will already 1 shot all the light enemies with the charge, and your bb will 1 shot all the elites

[sacred lodge]

I still need to do my penances, but I’m not even daring to touch malice until I have a full build in place, and decent weapons to boot

[scarlet barn]

yes big number, but its not useful when you already 1 shot

[craggy wagon]

I thought that thing was only some sort of mana or something

[sacred lodge]

I STILL get the odd wipe on Uprisinf

[hasty ether]

keep getting sooo close to killing 3 elites with explosion either get 2 and leave one on a sliver of health or team kills one >.<

[mint burrow]

Don't wait it's not that hard

And way more rewarding experience/money wise

[raw otter]

in heresy a hound requires 2 bb 🤔

[scarlet barn]

and it still takes 2 even with 6 warp charges

[craggy wagon]

WHAT

[mint burrow]

Yeah BB needs some fixes

[noble wasp]

[scarlet barn]

yknow

[sacred lodge]

Also, warp charges are mainly used for the capstone talents

[scarlet barn]

if they want to make bb better, make warp charges actually worth a damn

[mint burrow]

At least some scaling

[raw otter]

i think it sadly doesnt scale with no talent bb

[sacred lodge]

Well, two of three of them anyway

[marble drift]

And the voidball kills make a sound like ten kilos of jelly getting run over, which is funny to me

[summer wind]

quick question

[raw otter]

in damnation then who knows

[scarlet barn]

6 warp charges could be buffed to make BB do more damageo nhigher tiers

[raw otter]

3 bb prob

[summer wind]

does anyone else here hate brain burst

[scarlet barn]

still 2

[summer wind]

level 30 psyker, and i hate using brain burst

[raw otter]

other elites and special also?

[sacred lodge]

I want to love it, but it needs a lot of work

[summer wind]

every time i use it someone else shoots the special lol

[scarlet barn]

i think muties take 3

id have to check again

[summer wind]

and it takes more than 1 to brain burst a pox walker

when someone else can just bolter it

[half rain]

keeping up brain burst stacks is tedious and doesn't really feel like it makes a difference

[brazen briar]

I think the rightclick for BB should be something else, like an aoe ability or what not

[summer wind]

it feels just worse than using a gun

i use a staff, but i mean for specials

[sacred lodge]

Or your staff

[summer wind]

yeah

brain burst doesn't really scale

where as people's guns definitely do

[scarlet barn]

but main point, warp charges really have 0 use rn, unless they push your damage over the edge and you can 1 shot some things in higher levels with 6 charges, they really dont matter at all

[wise pecan]

You know what’s be neat? If they added a zero on to how much damage warp charges add to brain burst

[hasty ether]

staff with bb perk> tjan just bb

[summer wind]

why brain burst a shield guy when you can dump a mag of bolts into it

[lone fractal]

the brain burst light that shows on top of head of enemies is literally a "shoot me" sign for veterans. not even joking. I was playing with one today that really thought that light meant "this one takes more damage"

[raw otter]

bb its probably just there for those moments when you have to camp in some cover tbh

[summer wind]

sure it's free but it takes forever

[brazen briar]

it scales, but by like 10%

[half rain]

Feels better to just spawn voidstrike down lane

[marble drift]

It can make a difference, but you’d have to keep them up constantly to take advantage

[scarlet barn]

this tbh

[summer wind]

that's all it's good for

[brazen briar]

wwhile mob hp goes up like 50%

[scarlet barn]

no its just a flat 1k damage

only raised by warp charges, peaking at 1180 damage on an unarmored target

[summer wind]

brain burst perk? what's it called?

[craggy wagon]

I've been playing since yesterday I still don't know if psyker is a class I want to play, exploding heads are fun, pushing enemies with magic is too but idk...

[sacred lodge]

Bleh… I’m still sticking with psyker, even if it kills me. Because I want to be scary warp girl

[half rain]

kinetic flayer

[summer wind]

the staff makes it sooooo good

[half rain]

its a feat

[marble drift]

Seriously, voidstrike on malice is just a dopamine factory

[scarlet barn]

10% chance to cause BB with a normal attack when under critical peril, 15 second cooldown on trigger

[brazen briar]

guess i just couldnt tell cuz damage on dummies only shows their health

[mint burrow]

Psyker is still very fun and very good in malice

[sacred lodge]

Although if they ever add female ogryn, I might be tempted to switch

[summer wind]

oh i'm using that, but it seems like garbage

the issue is that it procs on chaff, and gets wasted 99% of the time

[half rain]

i only played 1 heresy mission with voidstrike

and it still seemed to one shot lanes of grunts

[wise pecan]

I love the dreamer voice. I want to love psyker in gameplay, too

[scarlet barn]

i mean you arent using it for damage, your using it for warp charges

[craggy wagon]

[mint burrow]

I like using it with surge

[raw otter]

yes
the third talent in the last row lv30
it should be passive imo... so it makes bb faster and consume less
just to make the ult a bit viable

i even tought like ult then getting at least some attack speed for some seconds
one of the most ""nothing"" ult ever
can push pox burster tho 🤔

[summer wind]

right, i forgot it does that, nvm it's pretty good then

[scarlet barn]

actually thinking of it more

[meager eagle]

for real

[summer wind]

yeah pushing pox bursters is really inconsistent, but it shows how hard they're meant to be

and they're not meant to be TWO brainbursts

[scarlet barn]

if they make warp charge buff BB, faster cast, better damage, etc, maybe warp charges could be useful

[summer wind]

yeah let me stand here exposed and use over half my peril to kill an enemy you can push once and it dies

[viscid matrix]

why use push on them when you can just surge them and stagger them back anyway

[summer wind]

for like 10 seconds

[half rain]

then you start just spamming brain burst

[noble trellis]

can do perfectly fine with psyker on heresy/damnation, you just have to try 4/4 warp charges harder than everyone else

[scarlet barn]

and not blanket make the psyker op like last beta, but still good for elites at high tier

[craggy wagon]

Would you say that you depend a lot on others as a psyker?

[raw otter]

yes

[summer wind]

on damnnation with a horde that's not always an option

it really should be a one tap

[mint burrow]

I also hate the argument of "other grenades don't scale so why should bb"

[scarlet barn]

wait until he learns that warp charges hardly augment your strength as psyker

[summer wind]

or at least, make it scale with your level

[marble drift]

I depend on others as all classes
Cause I suck at this game.

[summer wind]

ikr

[mint burrow]

Psyker's abilities are built mostly around BB

[charred topaz]

people rely on you. You can play like a support, with stuns and pushes to CC enemies so your team can kill them w/o taking damage

[lone fractal]

stun grenades always work?

[noble trellis]

[half rain]

everything that uses warp interacts with warp charges so you need to be brain bursting

bad argument

[raw otter]

that dont upgrade damage of bb somehow

[mint burrow]

I mean they do

Just not enough to matter

[scarlet barn]

but warp charges dont do shit

[half rain]

they don't do enough

[scarlet barn]

the bonus 12-18% damage you get wont make any meaningful difference

[half rain]

but its still a damage buff for everything

[robust meteor]

how much do stacks do?

[raw otter]

imo they should make bb very fast to cast
if they want to keep this low damage at least and consuming less peril

[wanton sandal]

they need a 5% damage buff

instead of 3

[half rain]

im just saying the grenade dont scale argument is bad

[mint burrow]

3%

[summer wind]

fire staff + 2nd ult keeps you at max warp charges 24/7, especially with kinetic flayer

without ever pressing G

well, aside from elevators and when your allies are sitting around letting your stacks decay

[scarlet barn]

everything thats 1 shot by bb is one shot by bb still, and everything not one shot by bb is still not one shot by bb, which effectively makes warp charges shit. Sure you get extra damge for your sword and staff, but what do you need it for, you already mow down crowds

[robust meteor]

3% is peril reduction from t2 and damage increase per stack?

[half rain]

peril reduction is the most helpful thing about warp charges so far

[scarlet barn]

6% peril reduction, 3% damage per stack

[raw otter]

theres also psychic communion that helps a bit with warp charges sometimes

[summer wind]

absolutely

[half rain]

because it lets me spam staff more

[safe spear]

So Psykers, does your class actually suck or what. I think most zealots and veterans think their class is decently solid at the very least. The other two classes I just hear mostly bad things

[summer wind]

psyker needs help, but is generally still useful

[brazen briar]

honestly, i would make (g) right click our current special ability, and make the special ability consume all warp charges and create an explosion

[scarlet barn]

yes, until you get a staff with the -5% peril on headshot

then you literally drop to 0 peril after hitting a horde

[half rain]

i feel like you can do good on psyker, needs tuning here and there, but you have to try a lot harder than a veteran who just shoots everything in a room

[summer wind]

psyker has ungodly horde clear for free, but is pretty bad at it's intended purposes

[mint burrow]

I need that on a voidstrike

[summer wind]

it's also really easy to get killed

[hasty ether]

think most psykers appear to suck because they are trying to get penances done

[scarlet barn]

its fucking op

[half rain]

the squishiness is part of the fun

[summer wind]

i played a zealot and a psyker both, and zealot is just way better

[scarlet barn]

10% resistance regen on void kill GGEZ

[mint burrow]

I'm keeping my eyes peeled for it

[safe spear]

To what levels on each?

[scarlet barn]

pop your staff and heal all resistance basically

[summer wind]

zealot you have to try to die, psyker you can make mistakes and die, though you aren't helpless

[raw otter]

bb as ult
and the "grenade" the old ult that has some cooldown too 🤔

[summer wind]

zealot is stronger, absolutely, at low levels

[marble drift]

I resent that. I suck at psyker and I don’t give a shit about clearing penances anymore

[mint burrow]

Idk if I like surge of void more. I respect what surge does but don't find it a lot of fun

[summer wind]

psyker can contend with zealot's killing power at high levels

but not against bosses

[robust meteor]

did that but with ogryn. psyker feels like an insect compared to playing aggro ogryn

[summer wind]

it basically is

[subtle thicket]

Come to the purgatus side, we have bbq

[summer wind]

psyker sucks against bosses, specials on malice or higher, and has to work harder to do well

[summer wind]

god purgatus soulflame build is fun

horde? what horde

[subtle thicket]

Lmao

[mint burrow]

I already used it and dislike it immensely. I find running voidstrike to be better.

[summer wind]

i don't see a horde

[raw otter]

psyker supposed to be the one behind the team giving support from distance dealing damage behid the scenes while the other protect the psyker

[charred topaz]

you can bring the BB perk to make your team do 15% more dmg and a force sword for bosses

[viscid matrix]

you can make it actually do damage to elites and specialists with the traits, otherwise it does like 50-100 at most

[brazen briar]

purge is trash

[summer wind]

yeah, i have both

it's just not as good as other classes

[subtle thicket]

Definitely not the best but damn its fun

[mint burrow]

Which trait?

[summer wind]

zealot can fucking CHUNK bosses with thunder hammer

[scarlet barn]

malice psysker is fine, just heresy and damnation it falls off

[raw otter]

trauma force and voidstrike nice

[brazen briar]

you kill hordes much fastrer with void, and you don't blind your entire team

[summer wind]

fair, but flame gives you charges and stuns everything

[viscid matrix]

8% ranged damage against specialists or ranged damage against elites

it does way more than it says

[summer wind]

and costs way less peril

so you can do it far longer

[raw otter]

old bb was used to chunk a bit too
now rip
in the closed beta

[summer wind]

i'd argue flame is the stronger pick for self defense

but void is better with a good team

[scarlet barn]

eh

void AoE is nuts

[summer wind]

void can't mouse over an entire room and stun them for a few seconds

you will have to switch to melee if a guy is swinging at you

[scarlet barn]

but it can kill them all )))))

[raw otter]

void can spam and consume even less and very horde clear

[mint burrow]

have the zealot bring a flamer and feel useless

[brazen briar]

lmao you dont

[mint burrow]

lmao

[summer wind]

alternate flames

[raw otter]

cool sounds

[viscid matrix]

purge staff staggers enemies not stun

surge staff stuns 6 enemies

[raw otter]

the aoe should be affected by the burst radius i guess?

[brazen briar]

i use voidstrike point blank against hordes attacking me all the time on t4

[toxic pecan]

Purgatus is fun until its 4 Crushers and 2 Maulers on Heresy on top of a dog and 15 shooty.bois and your veteran pug is too busy shooting poxwalkers

[summer wind]

each staff has a place, imo

[raw otter]

the bar stat

[summer wind]

except for trauma

trauma is baby's first

[scarlet barn]

yes

[viscid matrix]

trauma is hot garbage, it does damage to 2 enemies and staggers the rest

its a piece of shit

[summer wind]

void is best for long hallways and kill power, purge is best for horde clear, and surge is best for stunning

[raw otter]

whats the stat bar to avoid/to not consider while using voidstrike?

[summer wind]

it's fine on 1/2 and then it sucks

i like how it sounds though

shwwwwTHUD

[brazen briar]

a half charged void will also 1 shot snipers

[summer wind]

yeah, it's handy

[subtle thicket]

So fun to send a whole group up in the air
And then watch them all get back up to slap you

[summer wind]

brain burst is actually useful against snipers, though

so it's not like you lose the ability to deal with them

[scarlet barn]

all of them matter tbh, if you get the -5% peril on headshot you can ignore peril resistence, charge rate is nice but not really needed blast radius / damage are the most important

[autumn marten]

my people

[summer wind]

they're a oneshot even on diff 5, and that is the one place brain burst comes in handy

[subtle thicket]

Unless 3 pixels of a fence are in the way

[summer wind]

yeah this pisses me off

[raw otter]

hopefully they dont fix the sounds of the staves because are just cool
especially void that sometimes is so bugged but very fun to hear

[summer wind]

it fits ngl

[raw otter]

unless that noise is somehow the crit 🤔

[brazen briar]

except i dont have to bb the sniper when i can just cleave the entire horde AND hit the sniper

[scarlet barn]

void big bang is so sick, makes me know i just killed a lot of people

may fav bug

[autumn marten]

I'll just jump while holding the button, it usually snags em on the way down. Unless Im shot in the head

[summer wind]

yeah it works usually

[scarlet barn]

idk but it plays when i kill a lot of things so its my "shits fucked" audio queue

[raw otter]

and the thing i like of the voidstrike is that when you charge it it emits flashes lol
epilepsy timez

[subtle thicket]

I find that the sniper locks on to my brain first most of the time

[summer wind]

i'd like to get a vote from psykers
does brain burst suck

[autumn marten]

lol yeah. Just bait your veterans. They cant resist

[scarlet barn]

kinda

[toxic pecan]

Brain burst is shit on Heresy and especially Damnation

[subtle thicket]

"Nah you should totally peek with a shotgun, def won't kill you"

[sonic root]

Need a "yes and no"

[lone fractal]

yesn't

[raw otter]

i have this for now 🤔

[summer wind]

try now

[scarlet barn]

its not totally shit but its not the same as last beta

yknow

[autumn marten]

as much as its a joke, I actually got my friend to do exactly that

[scarlet barn]

thats a solid one,

[sonic root]

Useful for staggering shieldgryns

[raw otter]

yes thats really cool lol
thats the sound
hopefully they dont fix lolol

[subtle thicket]

Brain burst is straight ass
Definitely not biased after bbing a beast of nurgle for 5 minutes for a penance

[lone fractal]

i've been trying for the last 2h to get 5 elites in 10s

[raw otter]

expect the traits rip

[summer wind]

i didn't bother, it's just so fucking boring to do

it's not even hard

it just sucks to do

[raw otter]

but i keep, later i can change them prob

[scarlet barn]

its so satisfying, they managed to make the audio more crispy

[scarlet barn]

i mean its not bad, if you have good traits itll be good

ill post mine gimme a sec

[subtle thicket]

Especially when you get interrupted like 6 times by a mutie or dog locking on to you like they're the IRS and you haven't paid taxes

[raw otter]

for a heavy m2 takes like 3/4 seconds

nice

[summer wind]

i still think push 20 enemies off a cliff is worse and i'm not biased because it didn't bug out on me several times and i didn't give up

[autumn marten]

honestly, I like building for it if I'm playing with a solid team of friends. At that point I just stand behind the ogryn shield and remove elites for my allies.

[summer wind]

i pushed well over 20 at once several times

[scarlet barn]

yeah its normally about 3, that stat is like +-0.5S

i dont worry bout it too much

[woven wigeon]

When I got it, I was running the Chasm Terminus assassinate mission on Damnation and just happened to get a good set of gunner elites in a row, which you can oneshot brain pop. In that case they were just outside the hole after you drop down, but ye there tends to be a lot of mobs in that general area Also I think the endless horde modifier was on

[scarlet barn]

afterall you can just half charge

[woven wigeon]

Oh and using the lvl 30 talent that reduces charge time after ult of course

[summer wind]

i thought it had to be different elites

[woven wigeon]

It has to kill them, ye!

[raw otter]

hopefully they dont nerf voidstrike
the good staff that doesnt consume much

[woven wigeon]

But you can oneshot gunners

[viscid matrix]

if you can get those BB off on the elites, then your vet doesnt target them, then lucky you, my vet exclusivly targets elites and will leave the frontline to the zealot and ogryn

[woven wigeon]

There were 5 there on that ocassion

[summer wind]

no i mean, i thought it needed to be 5 different elites

like a rager, a mauler, etc

that's how it's worded, anyways

[woven wigeon]

Oh, nope!

[summer wind]

not bad at all then

[woven wigeon]

It was a mix of shotgunners and regular gunners, but def some overlap

[subtle thicket]

At this point I'm convinced it's impossible because I can barely move things 6 inches with that ability

[autumn marten]

yeah, I dont try with matchmaking, only when I'm playing with my discord pals. That way theres some solid coms

[summer wind]

i actually did it, but it didn't give me the pennance

[subtle thicket]

Lmao

[raw otter]

cliff i did like first try for real

[summer wind]

i did it on.. whatever the mission where you scan near a giant nurgle growth is called

[raw otter]

but still there can understand how tedious can be

[summer wind]

a section of the railing is gone and it's a constant horde

[viscid matrix]

cliff is best on the Chasm map, where there is that mini bridge on the left, just get allies to hold them on it, while you push them

[summer wind]

i knocked 20 off over and over and over

[summer wind]

force sword push, ult push

didn't work

[woven wigeon]

Ye I can attest, transfer peril is awesome. You generate negative peril when firing into a dense horde, it's great

[raw otter]

[summer wind]

it's so good

[subtle thicket]

Forge cleanse has a good spot in that central area
Had a big group lined up and ready
Then an ogryn charged into them all

[raw otter]

what affects charge rate?

[summer wind]

does reload speed mean quell?

[scarlet barn]

like i said charge rate is ass but i can just blow my load early

it wrecks house though

[viscid matrix]

who here has done the Heresy monstrosity solo with brainburst only?

[raw otter]

i think yea

[autumn marten]

Im running a soulflame build with a purge staff rn, and its kinda fun, but its useless if there's more than one vet.

[scarlet barn]

transfer peril is INSANELY op

i dont generate peril when i CC

[lone fractal]

I really need a team is the thing

[scarlet barn]

its so good

[summer wind]

welcome to the having pennances ruined by team-mate club, i am the head

[subtle thicket]

I have
Get a team in comms and hope to god you don't get a beast of nurgle

[summer wind]

yeah that's what i'm running rn, it's hella fun

[scarlet barn]

nope

[raw otter]

so charge fully doesnt increase damage?

[summer wind]

so it does nothing lmao

[viscid matrix]

the flamer with zealot, does way more damage, the burn caps at 500 instead of 150

[scarlet barn]

it does nothing @summer wind

[brazen briar]

best place to do knock back is the cryo repair mission

[summer wind]

that's so good

[scarlet barn]

it was bugged and i believe they removed it from the pool, so its a rare staff :D

[raw otter]

i tought charging fully could increase damage/aoe

[summer wind]

oh wow, i'll hang onto mine then

[scarlet barn]

it does, im just saying if im pressured and need to spam, i can just blow early

[brazen briar]

at the end of the mission, when you reach the evac platform, there are pillars overlooding the edge with catwalks on them, and a shitload of mobs also spawn there

[autumn marten]

very true, but you dont get to put a consistent flashbang on your teammates with it

[subtle thicket]

Damn really? Why the fatshark hate us

[viscid matrix]

if the flamer zealot and ogyrn have the frontline, the vet can just focus elites instead

[raw otter]

yes best combo
quick void and swapping to melee blocking

[scarlet barn]

but yeah i love that staff, i dont think ive ever over periled with it so far, and it just mows down hordes

[subtle thicket]

Devs giving us the real 40k psyker experience of everyone around you hating your existence

[autumn marten]

Im more talking about the purge staff blinding everyone lol

[woven wigeon]

With dagger I can do quick void, swap, block and dodge dance across the room

This a good game 😌

[viscid matrix]

the flamer does, the purge staff isnt as bad for everyone else

[scarlet barn]

void sword push block is crisp, im waiting for a force sword that gets the block bullets and melee perk so i can push rangers better

[brazen briar]

i think the purge staff is worst

[mental zinc]

Infinite voidstrike spam feels good

[raw otter]

dodges on dagger were even more strong before the nerfs on dodges
but still good yea

[viscid matrix]

its called deflector

[scarlet barn]

woah blazing spirit looks cool

[summer wind]

i think it's the best for hordeclear, if you're solo

[scarlet barn]

yeah

[scarlet barn]

thats a nice staff dude

[brazen briar]

we're still talking about rhe blind

[autumn marten]

holy shit

[woven wigeon]

Yeeeeep, going back to it I was so confused, like maybe I'd picked up a shitty dagger variant

[summer wind]

oh sorry

[woven wigeon]

But, alas

[viscid matrix]

that elites perk is the reason it shreds ogryn and maulers

its BIS for elite killing

[woven wigeon]

But still, better than just about anything else at least

At dodging

[lone fractal]

purge has some ability to stagger too

[pearl crest]

Anyone here have tips for the cliffhanger penance? Logistratum isnt cutting it

[raw breach]

I think all of the force staves are pretty decent right now, except for the Trauma staff

[autumn marten]

Hot take, brain burst would be good if you could release early for the dmg, and it gave stacks if you killed the target

[viscid matrix]

decent, but terrible damage, except for the void staff, but even it is only usefull as a horde killer

[raw breach]

Like, i've had a ton of fun with the Surge, Voidbolter, and Flamer... but Trauma staff isn't fun

[mental zinc]

Sadly its useless on voidstrike since it doesnt crit

[viscid matrix]

because the secondary only hits 2 targets, the rest get staggered only

[scarlet barn]

basically the opinion

[autumn marten]

trauma is sick as fuck at first. Then you see the others staffs

[raw otter]

i like it cause it reminds one of the staff of sienna
but it should be way faster to load the max circle

[ornate hamlet]

Damage type versus armor type

[subtle thicket]

Really?

[scarlet barn]

oof i read that as weakspot, that sucks

[viscid matrix]

the soul burn is affected by armour

[scarlet barn]

void attacks dont crit

[bold maple]

flame and lightning staff crit a ton for blazing spirit

[raw breach]

I played Sienna in Vermintide. Conflag staff was always bad. Coruscation staff now... if it left a flame patch? That would be a different story

[autumn marten]

God pleeeeease give me the bolt staff from sienna

[raw otter]

yes

[pale pilot]

i do find i really like the use perils instead of stamina to block perk, because if you're not using a force sword. the passive melee weapon quelling continues even as you're building perils for blocking

[mental zinc]

Yes, Need to combine it with crit chance on peril gain if u want to use it

[viscid matrix]

except soul burn caps out at 150

[subtle thicket]

As long as me flame stick can crit I am happy

[pale pilot]

so it's really good for defensive fighting

[bold maple]

cap deez nuts nerd

[raw breach]

I think the biggest real problem with Force Staves atm is not counting as warp attacks for feat procs

[mint burrow]

so I have what I think is a really good blue purgatus i'll send a snip and get y'alls opinion on it in a moment

[viscid matrix]

it counts as warp attacks, so does special force sword

[subtle thicket]

They don't?

[viscid matrix]

they do

[autumn marten]

They do, i think

[subtle thicket]

Aight good lmao

[raw breach]

Last I read the Force Sword's warp attack does, but the staff attacks do not.

[viscid matrix]

force sword special counts as a warp attack too]

[autumn marten]

think they may have meant the melee swing?

[mint burrow]

This any good y'all think?

[subtle thicket]

Warp flurry is p good

[viscid matrix]

i used purge staff full secondary twice and that is how much the soulburn does against a crusher

its so useless

[summer wind]

soul burn should cap the same as normal fire or higher, as you have to actually build for soul burn (and are worse in other ways than zealot is) and zealot can just take a flamer without using any perk slots or anything

[autumn marten]

Is warp furry good on purge? I thought it'd be an L, since you mostly long cast it

[ornate breach]

Flame staves are meh IMHO but warp furry is excellent and the rate roll is noce

[subtle thicket]

Still lets you charge faster

[mint burrow]

Trying to get the same roll on a surge or void staff

[mental zinc]

What do you guys like to stack on curios? health or toughness. And prob gunner res i guess

[raw breach]

For feats like warp absorption, "Replenish toughness when you kill an enemy with a warp attack." Staff attacks don't count for that feat

[ornate breach]

Void staff is so good. It's like a railgun. I got the reduced peril on crits and it just ruins hordes even on 4

[subtle thicket]

3x +1 wound 😎

[viscid matrix]

even tho this is a realy nice staff, because it doesnt have elite or specialist damage trait, it does nothing in damnation

[silver dagger]

is going out with bang can do it on malice right?

[autumn marten]

yeah

[summer wind]

yeah

[viscid matrix]

yes

[lone fractal]

this is mine.

[brazen briar]

i get 1 wound and then thoughness

[summer wind]

focused channeling my beloved

[autumn marten]

broooooo

[mint burrow]

I love focused channeling

[silver dagger]

thanks so much

[summer wind]

similar to mine but a tier higher, really good staff

[lone fractal]

no idea how Warp Flurry works

[summer wind]

it means if you keep burning it charges faster

[autumn marten]

keep right clicking

[summer wind]

every time you do it is a little faster

[true shadow]

cliffhanger is annoying

[lone fractal]

oh no, i know that one

[summer wind]

it decays at.. some point probably

[autumn marten]

agreed. Still cant get it

[lone fractal]

its warp nexus i don't get lol

[summer wind]

psyker gaming

[lone fractal]

based on current peril
stacks
🤔

[autumn marten]

yeah I dont get it eiter

[summer wind]

does this mean you can have at most +4% crit chance at 100 peril

that sucks

[lone fractal]

how is it going to stack 5 times tho

[bleak sonnet]

does run n gun work on the secondary

[summer wind]

no

[bleak sonnet]

what's the best blessings we can get then

they all seem useless

[summer wind]

focused channeling is insane

[subtle thicket]

Might be 4% crit per 20% perils
God I hope thats what it means

[summer wind]

imo, anyway

[viscid matrix]

no

its bad

[summer wind]

it better

[brazen briar]

its super duper easy, cryo repair mission, at the end, go to the ship, take a left or a right, have everyone hide on the cat walk by the big pillar ( you'll know it as soon as you see it) and just have them hold the horde there and go around the pillar, block push them towards the ledge a bit then knock them off

[summer wind]

also, can anyone relate to the pain of matches with 3 vets

and you, as the psyker

[autumn marten]

this is my current one. Defo kinda meh, gonna replace it next shop reroll as long as its not trauma staff

[summer wind]

terrifying is good, i think

if the horde reaches you and it procs, it stops dead in it's tracks on paper

[viscid matrix]

its alright, but supress doesnt do much against melee

[summer wind]

it's handy for a flame staff

even more staggering

[brazen briar]

looking foward to see how high ilvl i can get this curio once im done upgrading my staff

[viscid matrix]

😄

[autumn marten]

hmmmmmm

[brazen briar]

wrong pic

[lone fractal]

lol

[summer wind]

bro i'm trans

[autumn marten]

xDDD

[summer wind]

hit me up

[brazen briar]

was for a friend lol

[viscid matrix]

what curios do yall use, wound hp or toughness?

[lone fractal]

yes

[summer wind]

i use +2 stam, +1 wound, and + toughness

[brazen briar]

i use 1 woound and 2 thoughness

[summer wind]

the stam is because my force sword can block ranged attacks

that + peril block

means i can just walk up to gunners carefree on damnnation

and then ult and kill them

[viscid matrix]

i use 2 health 1 toughness, so i get 204 hp and 3 wounds in heresy

[brazen briar]

if you need more than 3 wounds even on t5, you're playing wrong tbh

[autumn marten]

F, store reroll has no staves at all ;-;

[pale pilot]

god, i wish deflector was an inherent property of force swords

[summer wind]

same

it really should be

[brazen briar]

yeah, once i can reroll blessing im def getting defelctor on my sword

[bleak sonnet]

this is incorrect, good tier 5 teams down on purpose to restore hp and wounds let u do that

[autumn marten]

This is my good trinket rn

[viscid matrix]

why do yall use toughnesss instead of health? isnt having 50 more hp better than like 30 toughness?

[raw breach]

what's deflector do? is it sort of like how focused channeling should be a default property of all staves? lol

[summer wind]

+3% power sounds so ass at 100% peril

[ornate breach]

Needs deflector

[summer wind]

it means you block EVERYTHING, including gunfire

[brazen briar]

right, but you shouldnt get downed more than twice between every health station

[summer wind]

well, aside from explosions and stuff

[summer wind]

it's still better

[brazen briar]

like i said, once i can transfer blessing, im putting deflector on

[summer wind]

more wounds means better, usually

[autumn marten]

I think it feels nicer to use more toughness because of how easily psyker replenishes % toughness

[summer wind]

watch this get removed lol

[autumn marten]

you get a lot more effective hp out of that

[bleak sonnet]

the more wounds you have the more less total hp you lose on a down, you down on purpose a lot in endless horde t5s in order to have HP for hard portions of the map, if you have +1 wounds total you lose 30% of your hp for doing this

[viscid matrix]

fair, ive always used 1 wound 2 hp so i have 200hp

[ornate breach]

Void staff best staff. Fight me

[bleak sonnet]

void feels so weak imo

[autumn marten]

no one will, void staff is best

[summer wind]

void is strong, but not absolute

[autumn marten]

I stand corrected

[viscid matrix]

best damage staff only, and only if you have elites or specialists traits does it do decent damage against them

[summer wind]

everything except trauma has a purpose

[bleak sonnet]

void has the least purpose out of the 3 main staffs on anything malice+

[summer wind]

it's damage horde clear

[bleak sonnet]

which your zealot does better

[brazen briar]

lmao, psycher has the least purpose out of the 4 class

[autumn marten]

True, but Im a gremlin who likes seeing lots of red Xs and loud booms

[ornate breach]

I will admit being able to stun poxes off the bat with the lightning one is good

[summer wind]

that's psyker for you

[viscid matrix]

POG i got what i wanted

[summer wind]

you can kill specials, but your vet does better

you can block gunfire, but your ogre does it better

you can clear hordes, but your zealot does it better

so you sit in the back of your team going "hey save some for me" or dying once your team folds unless you can really work psyker

[bleak sonnet]

nobody can control elites as well as u tho, that's ur niche

full dmg staff does nothing for that

[summer wind]

to a degree, yeah

it's not useful enough to justify the pick imo though

[viscid matrix]

thats why we use the surge staff, so we can cc muties and dogs

[summer wind]

for an optimal team i would leave the psyker behind

[brazen briar]

except psycher arent suposed to be cc'ers

we're suposed to be a glass cannon, not a fucking cc bot

[bleak sonnet]

optimally you'd just take 4 powersword lasgun vets for sure

[summer wind]

i can't wait to sit around and be the worst class until i can maybe be useful by stunning a hound someone can just push

[autumn marten]

Idk, I tend to get beaten on that front to vets with a plasma gun or bolter

[summer wind]

or 4 flamer + thunder zealots

or 2/2

[brazen briar]

sure, surge is good for being a cc bot, but we shouldnt have to be that to begin with

[summer wind]

yeah

psyker is undertuned, that's just a fact of life

[mild lotus]

Here's mine.

[summer wind]

anything you can do i can do better~

[mild lotus]

Kind of happy with it.

[autumn marten]

petition to revert the BB nerf, and then buff it more

[lone fractal]

psyker is so good up to heresy tho.

[ornate hamlet]

deflector blessing is a game changer

[summer wind]

remove BB and make it something fun to use instead

[brazen briar]

they should make our (g) right click a charged knock back, and our special an explosion (like our peril overload)

[summer wind]

yeah

[autumn marten]

but... BB is fun.

[summer wind]

for some people, but not for me

[wise pecan]

i think it varies. i use all my toughness a lot more than i use all my health (especially in firefights), so +toughness gives me a lot more effective hp than +hp does

[raw breach]

I would consider at least one Ogryn mandatory for any "ideal" team comp

[lone fractal]

can't call BB bad when its infinite range and does very high damage

[bleak sonnet]

typically on higher difficulty tier 5, a good vet will prioritize taking out gunners way before specials, because most dangerous specials are melee ranged like crusher etc

your job usually boils down to locking down the elites while your vet deals with the ranged mobs in order to mitigate danger, because a single target dps cannot kill everything at once

[summer wind]

i don't enjoy watching a white bar fill up just for the party's vet to kill the target and i lose it all

[rapid cypress]

just salty 'cause not able to solo BB the boss

[lost aurora]

mine 🙂

[summer wind]

yeah it does less than guns do at high level

[viscid matrix]

ive changed to 2 toughness 1 wound for now, may swap to a 3rd toughness when i get a good one

[urban dove]

dont remove BB but let us chooose somethign different

[mild lotus]

• toughness on psyker means the first feat gives back more toughness

[elfin geode]

I like BB yeah it just feels bad watching people do everything around me

[bold maple]

maybe make BB store charges passively + recharged by charging perils, and it's instantly pop when we do use it

[viscid matrix]

i was using this

[bold maple]

no more channeling mid fight

[viscid matrix]

now im using this

[autumn marten]

Fair, I just kinda get seratonin from the "cool guys dont look at explosions feel." Getting to call out to my pals that ping an elite "Aight, hes dead, move on" is nice

[urban dove]

all post sword

[summer wind]

it's cool to do, but it's not effective

anyone else could just shoot the bitch

[viscid matrix]

nice

[summer wind]

and it'd be dead faster

[raw breach]

Ogryn stacking bleed on heavy attacks secretly kills more bosses than Psyker, Vet, or Zealot

[summer wind]

and they don't explode and die if they shoot 3 people

you do

[wise pecan]

for a zealot, +health is probably better than +toughness, unless you're doing some nonsense permacrit lacerate infinite hp cheese build

[ornate breach]

Compulsively pinging elites is my middle name

[summer wind]

and you take the longest to do it

[autumn marten]

yeah, still think itd be better if it was like void secondary. Can release early for less dmg

[urban dove]

not super happy about the run and gun but it does make it interesting

[bleak sonnet]

every zealot does that

[summer wind]

absolutely, and make it deal more at higher level

you need two brain bursts to kill a pox burster

vet can oneshot it with a lasgun

that's fucked

(on 4-5)

[wise pecan]

that's because it's the obviously strongest build. some choose to deliberately not do that, since it stands out a country mile

[summer wind]

anyhow, i'm gonna dip

[elfin geode]

What about shortening BB cast time

[bleak sonnet]

holy shit

godroll purgatus staff incoming

365 grey in shop

[autumn marten]

wait really?????? Im still playing at my malice/endless horde comfort zone. I want better gear before I roll out on heresy

[summer wind]

yes, it does

it takes 2-3 on average for specials now

[viscid matrix]

i hope you get good rolls and traits

[summer wind]

and you can't do a thing about it

[raw otter]

can we talk about the bug with staves when you go 100%+ and doesnt do the animation so you cant even ult and you just explode

[lone fractal]

malice/endless hordes is very comfy even solo

heresy is just BS

[summer wind]

dm me if you have questions, i've played 4-5 and i've been level 30 since day 1 of the beta

[raw breach]

which is why people switch to gun psyker builds because damage on 4-5 is really different than 1-3

[viscid matrix]

in Heresy and higher, the only thing you can 1 tap are Snipers, Grenaders and Trappers

[raw otter]

other classes might think we are nobas

[bleak sonnet]

gunners

[summer wind]

that's an elite

[torpid hemlock]

Ew that quell speed

[lone fractal]

heres the best fix for psyker: give it a boltgun

[urban dove]

yeah the quell speed does suck at the moment

[viscid matrix]

if you can get a BB off, then your veterans are not doing thier job, they have crossfire and can see yellow auras on them

[swift vault]

Best fix for psyker: use revolver

[autumn marten]

Wow. I've only got about 50ish hours, and I've been fucking around with my lower level friends for the most part. But they're getting to 30 now, so I wanna grind a lot more

[urban dove]

but the burn , dammage and cloud are huge

[bleak sonnet]

have u met most vet players

they dont do their job

[mild lotus]

"Just another day in the guard..."

[viscid matrix]

the vets i play with do thier job, especially when they have a god roll bolter

[tropic pollen]

revolver psykers should be able to use their brain-power to reload their entire cylinder at once

[mild lotus]

[compact cargo]

Good, means we get to stop been slaves to whatever staff we are using

[bold maple]

this but unironically

give me guns that shoot MIND BULLETS

[swift vault]

Alternate take: turn it into the ultrakill revolver and reflect bullets for style

Turn it into hol horse revolver and just steer bullets with psychic power

[bleak sonnet]

why do ppl hate on flame staff sm

[viscid matrix]

most good vets have either one of these or a burn spec that they can stack to 500 burn per tick really really quickly

[viscid matrix]

because its a shitty version of a flamer

[night mortar]

How many of you guys are running daggers 👀 ?

[raw otter]

lighting staff can be good and all but somehow there's something weird with peril cost ect

[swift vault]

It didn't look great when I saw it on a video, but haven't tried it myself. But man it looked underwhelming

[compact cargo]

Because it has the same issues as the flamer without the good unyielding modifiers

[urban dove]

i personally love the fire staff

[raw otter]

after charging lightnings then costs more peril 🤔

[bleak sonnet]

dagger or dueling sword

[marble drift]

it's fun, I'll give it that

[bleak sonnet]

i run both

[weary idol]

literally only run fire staff with pure horde clear psyker (which isn't very good mind you)

so I can get warp charges for the ascendant blaze

[viscid matrix]

i enjoy it on malice and below, it does enough damage to be relevent, but on heresy or higher its useless, its affected by armour

[weary idol]

but y'know gun

[compact cargo]

deflection+deflector force sword is still the best ranged shield in the game.

[urban dove]

I feel like if you run a Build for the fire staff it is worth it

[weary idol]

notably, fire staff does a lot of damage against flak armor still so it can kill maulers

[viscid matrix]

agreed a deflected force sword is so good

[night mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433236097317732352/1046918503346753609/image.png

Got this earlier today

[bleak sonnet]

i run fire staff in endless horde damnation with 0 issues

[bleak sonnet]

insane

[urban dove]

I only do t5s and have no issues burning the world

[summer wind]

it's 4 or higher, it's labeled wrong

wait i'm supposed to be gone bye

[raw otter]

does mobility affects dodges or just when you sprint with the weapon?

[bleak sonnet]

fire staff has insane uptime with the amount of times i usually proc the passive 10% quell

and how little peril it generates

[viscid matrix]

do you have damage against elites or damage against specialists? cause those traits are broken and OP

crushers are basicly immune to purge staff

[bleak sonnet]

CC and burn everything, great support staff

[summer wind]

opinions?

[marble drift]

Just wish I could see what I'm hitting, lol what with the flames the same color as the hitmarker

[urban dove]

if theres a crusher just pull out BB and finish it

[bold maple]

barely passed the bare minimum

[bleak sonnet]

or even better, your team should be killing the crusher lol

[bold maple]

if you have orange under 460 that's bad

[raw otter]

or bugged
cause it meant to be for malice prob
maybe they are going to fix it

[compact cargo]

In the 4 seconds u bb a zealot can heavy shank the crushers 7 times

[bleak sonnet]

this seems pretty bad

[summer wind]

which bit is bad

[hearty oak]

Gib psyker power sword

[summer wind]

damage / charge rate?

[bleak sonnet]

stat rolls

[viscid matrix]

or the Vet 1 taps it with a charged plasma or 3shots it with bolter

[bleak sonnet]

unarmored damage

sprint speed

[summer wind]

force sword is, in lore, a power sword but stronger when wielded by a psyker

[urban dove]

im saying IF NOONE else is dealing with it, I will BB it

[bleak sonnet]

warp nexus

all kinda useless imo

[summer wind]

ingame it's a worse chainsword that can block bullets (with a good blessing)

[viscid matrix]

average damage and charge rate means it wont do much agaisnt any elites

[summer wind]

fine

fine

i hear you

i raise you this,

clearly the better staff

[hearty oak]

I know. And it makes me sad seeing it. Nothing feels worse than now being able to cleave with the sword

[compact cargo]

If an elite is worth dealing with, it's already far beyond ur psyker bb to deal with, unless u got the 1 bb build and ultrd in the last 10 seconds

[raw otter]

gg robo fortune

[bold maple]

under 460 rating

couldnt be me

[summer wind]

beep boop meow

[viscid matrix]

rending shockwave is better 😄

[bold maple]

tf is rending

[summer wind]

rend dee-

i'm sorry

[viscid matrix]

i really really hope i can move it to another staff

[marble drift]

it has one thing over the chainsword, and that's that it does the altfire damage regardless of whether they move, unlike the chainsword where they can apparently wriggle out from it

[raw otter]

more damage with bullets i think
usually good on boltgun ect

[weary idol]

rending makes enemies take more damage I think

it also works with melee weapons

[summer wind]

this feels like a myth because it frequently will stop and do nothing for me

[weary idol]

haven't had a rending weapon in forever so I haven't tested it in a hot minute

but it just blanket makes enemies take more damage from what I remember

[autumn marten]

Ah. I know what the issue is. Psyker is a support class, with no support abilities other than those that everyone else does better. We're the guy carrying the backpack in the dungeon.

[viscid matrix]

rending is really really good, same with the stagger blessings

[mild lotus]

rending increases armor pen

[marble drift]

I've killed dogs running away just from tagging them when they were in range

at least five times now

[bleak sonnet]

cool drip tho

[raw otter]

psyker helmet with neon leds when

[weary idol]

i mean if you just run a gun, your warp charges mean you can kill some elites/specials faster than a vet can

[summer wind]

oh i think we're talking about different things, on my end my arm gets stuck and my sword stays onscreen for a good 10 seconds and does nothing, i have to block out of it

range doesn't affect it ^

[viscid matrix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038073561807597648/1046930283494121523/image.png

tier 3 helm from penances

[weary idol]

and ascendant blaze just kills an entire horde, which as much as you people are like oh that's not your job, sometimes people make mistakes or are caught up in elite soup

[summer wind]

real?

[bold maple]

yeah that's real

[marble drift]

that sounds like a bug

[hearty oak]

In essence, was is the best blessing to get on a force sword? I am conflicted on peril scaling and rampage

[viscid matrix]

requires both Heresy pennaces to get it

[weary idol]

and having a panic button that just kills every single poxwalker and plague zombie is nice

[summer wind]

my mission is clear

[compact cargo]

Only good DoT talent

[bleak sonnet]

been trying to get it but cant get espionage sadly, have everything else

[summer wind]

pretty sure it is yeah

[raw otter]

at least we wont see the 🧑‍🦲

[summer wind]

it will be done

[viscid matrix]

i think its broken, cause i have 3 and 6

[raw otter]

repeating malleus monstronum

also no thanks fatshark

[viscid matrix]

its fucking terrible

[autumn marten]

ok you right. Pysker best class