psyker-class

[midnight kiln]

Im mad

[cobalt granite]

No, zippidy zap zap staves are better at that.

[terse orbit]

The penance thing is just a ploy to have us buy the premium currency for costumes

[bitter orbit]

It's a cc staff not really for killing mobs like the void

[fickle fiber]

Sith lighting is so good.

[midnight kiln]

You're down with helping a sibling psyker?

[cobalt granite]

You cannot buy the ones you get from penancies. Get lost.

[terse orbit]

[ruby karma]

What two weapons people go for?
Im liking the lightning staff, wonder if I should try and get a force sword or something else to go with it.

[terse orbit]

Can you guarantee that

[cobalt granite]

Nah, I’m not on the game rn

[mild lotus]

Lightning staff is a common use for most psykers

[cobalt granite]

Can you guarantee the opposite?

[fickle fiber]

Right that’s why I ask. Seems like the flame staff is a horde clearer. The soul blaze is awesome. What blessings best complement the damage.?

[proven sun]

Gotcha. So yes, I'm using it wrong lol. Thanks.

[inner silo]

i like the flamethrower staff

[ruby karma]

But, force sword, chainsword or normal sword?

[mild lotus]

Force sword is pretty niche, it's mostly good at dealing with big beefy mobs that got up close to you

[terse orbit]

For what? Buying costumes, I'm pretty sure it's already confirmed

[mild lotus]

chain sword is good at horde clearing

[proven sun]

What do you like to pair it with for a melee?

[cobalt granite]

If you enjoy soulblaze - then soulblaze on crit with crit chance as a second perk

[ruby karma]

I feel like this is a trap XD

[fickle fiber]

For the lightning staff?

[mild lotus]

If you really want to have something to pair with your lightning staff, I'd recommend the force sword

[echo drum]

is anybody else finding the 300s max warp charge penance bugged?

[mild lotus]

to deal with big mobs in your face

[bitter orbit]

God I wish that one did more damage. Would be great for a melee psyker

[cobalt granite]

It’s a very bad roll, actually. Look for 10%

[mild lotus]

the lightnin staff should already keep you safe from hordes

in theory

[cobalt granite]

It’s actually useless crap against hordes.

[mild lotus]

Yes, its in diff 4 or higher, not 3

[ornate hamlet]

wtf is %?

[fickle fiber]

Someone told me damage is useless on a fire staff.

[wise pecan]

Lightning staff is way too slow for holding back a proper horde imo

[echo drum]

I have set timers and completed it at least 3 different times. It's so frustrating, these challenges feel absolutely ballbustingly tedious

[finite goblet]

are you doing it in malice or heresy? cause its worded wrong you have to do it in Heresy

[proven sun]

Yeah the lightning staff.

[ruby karma]

This is what I have atm. wonder if I should roll the purple on it.

[echo drum]

pain

[craggy bluff]

I'd say force sword, you got the push for horde control and can do the quick quell if needed without changing weapons

[wise pecan]

Counterpoint: it’s coded wrong, it needs to be completeable on Malice

[terse orbit]

Normal sword isn't the best on psyker

[fickle fiber]

I use a chain sword or power sword. Depending on how much CC you want

[mild lotus]

I mean, if you're trying to solo them yeah

[cobalt granite]

No. The gear score is extremely low for a blue.

[mild lotus]

but you're not playing solo in this game

[proven sun]

I'll have to give it another shot. Thanks!

[cobalt granite]

If you waste Lightning on a horde - you are a bad team player

[ruby karma]

Aye aye. What perks are good for lightning? Only one I like is the can't interupt one.

[fickle fiber]

Make sure you unleash fully charged

[finite goblet]

It wouldnt be the first time they misslabled something. Just look our ult when the beta launched, it still said it removed all peril, and Zelots charge said it gave 100% toughness back.

[cobalt granite]

No interruption, speed up for charges like you have or soulblaze on crit

[mild lotus]

dear emperor, you're the definition of gatekeeping

[wise pecan]

Every class has two penances for any difficulty, two for Malice+, and two for Heresy+

[tawny maple]

Nobody cares if there aren't better targets

[cobalt granite]

If you play on malice - sure, you do not care about that

[midnight kiln]

Skullbreaker heresy penance are really damn easy tho, join, do your thing in 2 min, you can leave now

[finite goblet]

Ither way, it needs to be fixed but it can still be done.

[wise pecan]

Yep yep

[solar remnant]

Flaming/zapping down a horde in this game definitely isn't as bad a detriment to the team as it was in Vermintide

[cobalt granite]

Flaming a horde and zapping a horde is not something you use a slash for. Too different, mate.

[mild lotus]

If you throw lightning at trash mobs when a burster rushes down your team then yeah, bad call but if the coast is clear...

[hardy ingot]

Voidstrike or Trauma Staff for horde clearing? Feel like Trauma so far is generating a tad bit too much Peril

[half rain]

Voidstrike 100%

[mild lotus]

void

[terse orbit]

Voidstrike

[hardy ingot]

Aight

[finite goblet]

teauma is just terrible

[mild lotus]

trauma is like training wheels for staff handling

[bleak sonnet]

voidstike also terrible

tbh

[midnight kiln]

Nah bro, you gotta stand there and do nothing until one spawn

[cobalt granite]

Trauma is one of the best options to clear mid-class enemies and specialists

[terse orbit]

The explosion is too small for hordes

[mild lotus]

oh beneficent emperor, share you insight with me

[cobalt granite]

Get a staff with better radius

[tawny maple]

Charge it and aim for the head

[solar remnant]

Love me some good voidstrike

[midnight kiln]

Voidstrike good

[terse orbit]

I meant the trauma one was a bit too small for hordes

[midnight kiln]

And the lightning one too imo

[terse orbit]

Void is nice cause of amazing Pierce

[cobalt granite]

I run voidstrike sometimes. If there is another psyker on a team or some other cases.

[ruby karma]

Voidstrike feels like your throwing tac missles.

[sly rock]

Fire staff good?

[terse orbit]

Yea

[mild lotus]

only if you run the flame feats

[tawny maple]

If you're getting voidstike find one with "transfer peril". One headshot to a horde brings your peril down by 50%

[terse orbit]

Especially with good rolls and feats

[mild lotus]

else it's kind of a missed opportunity

[cobalt granite]

Good for setting peoples graphic cards on fire

[half rain]

Voidstrike has super satisfying audio

[ruby karma]

Since our BB is a weapon, I wonder if different classes will just have different weapons. Like Pyronetic, will just have fireballs from their hands.

[cobalt granite]

Yea, it heals deaf people.

[terse orbit]

Throwing a fireball for a grenade would be ok

[tawny maple]

nothing like deafening my teammates by killing 30 enemies at once, seriously love it tho

[vivid merlin]

Voidstrike has the best headshot splorch but only the Psyker hears it

[terse orbit]

It's their fault for not turning everything but music down to 50%

[midnight kiln]

Voidstrike are magic missiles

[tawny maple]

abosolutely

[cobalt granite]

Heretic

[ruby karma]

wtb Doombolts

[pale pilot]

yeah trauma just feels bad. it's too costly, it needs a charge bar as well so you know how full it is.

[mild lotus]

Lord Emperor knows, were I given the possibility, I'd turn the music's volume to 200%

[wise pecan]

I hate the sound of voidstrike/trauma pops when you’re not the psyker. You can hear them crystal clear all the way across the map, just POP POP POP POP

[cobalt granite]

It is actually really good on maps with narrow spaces

[vivid merlin]

Trauma does have a charge bar?

[pale pilot]

nope

[cobalt granite]

More like KABOOM

[terse orbit]

Just like those packaging bubbles

[craggy bluff]

Funnily the fire staff is the one that got me the 90 enemies killed in 30 sec penance

[cobalt granite]

Yes.

[kindred veldt]

I love the bowling ball staff

[jaunty atlas]

hello esteemed big brain people, thank you for making head pops. sincerely, Ogryns

[tawny maple]

best part of the staff

[cobalt granite]

Not like it’s a visible bar. But a circle

[vivid merlin]

As in that's what I'm saying it does

[midnight kiln]

Idk if the fire one is good tho

[cobalt granite]

You have meat grinder to test it out.

[pale pilot]

not one you can see on the UI like the other staves. you have to gauge how large it is visually

[midnight kiln]

I tried one with trash stat and my gameplay was not fun

[cobalt granite]

You answered why

[midnight kiln]

Cant get a good one in shop

[tawny maple]

It is, since BB is your basekit you can take fully CC dedicated staff

[cobalt granite]

Wait for November 30 or keep rolling

[midnight kiln]

Game shut down soon so yeah, i will have to wait

[cobalt granite]

Do we know when, actually?

[terse orbit]

Oh yea games down on the 29th

[midnight kiln]

Not exactly

[proud sierra]

yes tomorrow at 11AM PST

[midnight kiln]

Nvm ^

[cobalt granite]

What’s it in CET?

[proud sierra]

19:00

[cobalt granite]

Eh

[proud sierra]

take that back. UTC is 19:00

[terse orbit]

When does it finally come back online, if you know

[cobalt granite]

19:00 CET 30th

[proud sierra]

I'm assuming not till the 30th at 10AM PST

[terse orbit]

Cool

[midnight kiln]

Do we know if stuff like lights out and the witch will be back, or those will be event like

[cobalt granite]

They are modifiers and they will introduce new ones in addition to them

[proud sierra]

Im assuming it will be out FULLY when the game is out FULLY . I've seen the daemon on the dry map

[midnight kiln]

So, all modifiers back? Not only the boring endless horde one

[terse orbit]

Seen a video with the daemon on a normal map too

[proud sierra]

correcto

[cobalt granite]

Daemon is a creepy soul sucker?

[midnight kiln]

Yeah

[tacit plinth]

Warp charges are seperate from the peril bar correct? Ive been looking for the icon to show me how many I have but I dont seem to have any luck in the bottom left corner. Is there an indicator somewhere?

[proud sierra]

It will at the bottom leftish

[cobalt granite]

It is

There

[tacit plinth]

Ill restart might be a visual bug since ive switched between characters. Appreciate you.

[wise pecan]

Yes. Warp charges stack up at the bottom left and boost your damage, peril is center-screen and determines your ult range/strength

[cobalt granite]

On very rare occasions there is a bug where the icon disappears

[tacit plinth]

Ahhh so the % bar is directly tied to the output of our F. thats wicked.

Coming from a vet after 110 hours of just spamming nothing but so just want to make sure Ive got the good shit down while I grind out these Malices. Thanks lads. Yall are top kings.

[wise pecan]

Yep yep! There’s a level 30 feat that also ties warp charges into the F, makes it light enemies on fire

[proud hinge]

Hi guys, are staves considered force weapons?

[cobalt granite]

But it’s only viable with 6 stacks

[lofty storm]

Wouldn't focus too hard on warp charges, will just stress you out, frustrate you when people yoink your headpops, all for a tiny buff where the time is better spent doing something else.

Obviously headpop specials/elites/ranged enemies in most cases

[proud sierra]

Run Communio and Kinetic Flayer and you'll basically just play as normal without brain popping and get max warps

[tacit plinth]

Once I hit 30 its gonna be tough to figure out which route I want to go. I figure over time Ill find my fun niche where I fit like vet. SO far this seems more fun with the management system.

[terse orbit]

Yea

[cobalt granite]

Yea

[proud hinge]

ty

[terse orbit]

I just use that feat that gives you random warp charges per teammate kill

[cobalt granite]

You kill your teammates?

Heretic

[tacit plinth]

Yeah im just going for the penance to bust it out of the way rq so I wanted to be sharp on how those are built and correlate to the peril. Being mainly the person who has been trying not to take brain blast kills on my vet I totally feel the pain ive been trying to keep psykers from as others dont share my love. lmao.

[terse orbit]

Sometimes with my incompetence

[wise pecan]

Question: does the psyker toughness regen on gaining a warp charge work with nontraditional warp charge generation methods? Like psychic communion and the level 30 feat?

[gilded viper]

The free brain burst talent is rather nice. Not too much to be gained from the 2 extra warp charges

[cobalt granite]

Yea, works with any source whatsoever.

[inner silo]

i goes on the same stack at the bottom so id assume so

[lofty storm]

Yes, and flayer as well

[wise pecan]

Excellent

[cobalt granite]

If you run soulblaze from ultimate - it is a HUGE difference

Also it matters on Damnation

[gilded viper]

I do damnation and I’m fine without the extra 6% damage

[latent ginkgo]

Worth the cheese? Reposte seems a bit lackluster but otherwise...

[cobalt granite]

Good for you

[cobalt granite]

Only for gear score

[worn canopy]

Looks good to me.

[cobalt granite]

Perks are crap

[wise pecan]

The perks seem useless but the rolls look good

[cobalt granite]

Just buy it and refill perks when the game releases

[wise pecan]

If you like force swords, I’d say it’s worth grabbing

[terse orbit]

Get it and reroll later

[cobalt granite]

*Reroll

[lofty storm]

Yeah honestly warp charges are bait.

I'm also sooo perplexed as to why I NEVER see people recommend kinetic deflection, imo it's the strongest talent on the tree

[mild merlin]

psyker sucks btw it's the much worse version of veteran

[latent ginkgo]

Cheers my fellow mutants.

[cobalt granite]

Okay

[wise pecan]

While mostly true, not helpful to the discussion at hand

[terse orbit]

Oh a vet main

Glad they exist

[gilded viper]

Psyker is fine, I prefer vet for removing shooters

[mild merlin]

need buff

[lofty storm]

I only see Vets magdumping into melee ads and getting downed while spamming I need ammo

[languid trellis]

imagine maining a class couldn't be me

[silent bay]

the chain lightning on the surge staff can proc flayer right?

[lofty storm]

Yes

[gilded viper]

Yes any damage

[lofty storm]

All damage can

[midnight kiln]

Psyker sucks yet i still main it

[cobalt granite]

Vets usually have tunnel vision and there is one weakest heretic who kills them from behind.

[lofty storm]

I don't see the psyker being weak when zealot exists

[proud hinge]

What does Rending do?

[gilded viper]

I prefer Purgutis myself. Brain burst is great for special/elite slaying, might as well round out with horde clear.

[tidal adder]

Kinetic Shield is better imo as of now hits barely touch my hp

[gilded viper]

Reduce effective armor of enemy. Do more damage to flak/carapace and the like.

[cobalt granite]

I wouldn’t call it great, though.

[proud hinge]

ty

[silent bay]

what does kinteic deflection do?

[tidal adder]

10-33% reduced toughness damage

[lofty storm]

That only applies to ranged damage, and you only get a meaningful amount of DR when at max charges.

Kinetic deflection for all intents and purposes gives you INFINITE stamina

It's cracked

[wise pecan]

I think psyker’s niche is honestly just that it doesn’t use ammo? Flamer is fantastic for hordes, but eats ammo - purgation/voidstrike doesn’t. Bolter is great at killing armor, but eats ammo - surge/bb don’t

[gilded viper]

Toughness DR for ranged attacks. Good stuff.

[cobalt granite]

Absolutely useless perk if you run damnation

[tidal adder]

well not for pushing

[lofty storm]

Incorrect, refer to my comment

[tidal adder]

And i barely use that much of stamina in the first place

[devout halo]

420 blaze it trauma staff is worth

[lofty storm]

Your stam and peril regen simultaneously, allows me to pretty much infinitely shove

[tidal adder]

to me its a wasted talent as i never see myself use all of my stamina, except when i get hit by a boss (which gives you 80% peril and takes all your stamina anyway too)

[gilded viper]

I’m not in the front as much to worry about stamina. If I get a force sword with ranged deflection I’ll think about it.

My luck with blessings has been miserable

[terse orbit]

Man why do vets have to complain about everything

[lofty storm]

Maybe it's OCE player base but most of my games end up with everyone going down so stam is important

[cobalt granite]

We moved on

[gilded viper]

Vets literally get the best melee in the game and still whine lmao. But anyway, Psyker is fun.

[lofty storm]

That talent has singlehandedly saved many of my runs

[tidal adder]

go forward, Push, hit, dodge back stamina regens, repeat - doable againts hordes with 3 stamina

[cobalt granite]

I’d rather not take damage at all

[mortal cargo]

big brain

[gilded viper]

No offense, but “just don’t get hit,” is a lame argument. Nobody is gonna perfectly dodge all damage.

[cobalt granite]

Why dodge, you can mix dodging and blocking and pushing

[void anvil]

is a zealot with the flamethrower potentially better than a psyker with a purgatas staff and soulflame build for wave clear? trying to find a niche for psyker since veterans are simply better at elite killing

[tidal adder]

nobody is gonna perfectly time block all the time

[cobalt granite]

They are equally effective

[lofty storm]

Doesn't seem as effective as in V2, I was able to do legend true solo runs back in the day somewhat consistently, in darktide with dodge resetting being removed I feel like I need to rely on block a bit whereas in V2 that wasn't a thing

[void anvil]

okay cool ill go for that then, thanks!

[cobalt granite]

Everyone can once they spend enough hours.

[mortal cargo]

i wouldn't say they are better, they are better for minibosses, but we outrun them when it comes to elites

[lofty storm]

That's why you mix all

[gilded viper]

I didn’t literally mean the dodge mechanic. Please stop being dense and intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying.

[tidal adder]

everyone can dodge effectively, once they spend enough hours. your argument fuck up your last one.

[finite goblet]

you can check in the meat grinder.

[cobalt granite]

In what way

[gilded viper]

Just ignore the troll people.

[tidal adder]

they will once they spend enough hours on the game.

[terse orbit]

Honestly it's okay, just ignore all vet posts and play whatever way you want to

[tidal adder]

I used the same argument - therefore you cant say im wrong, unless youre wrong too.

[cobalt granite]

I can also ignore your existence

[gilded viper]

Just play what you like, it’s a game at the end of the day, no need to sweat over everything.

[hot epoch]

are you guys also hearing the voices?

[gilded viper]

It’s Darktide, not CoD or CS:GO

[cobalt granite]

Some of us like sweating over stuff like that

[gilded viper]

Only from the shadows I cant see.

[mortal cargo]

constantly

[hot epoch]

And that light thats dark?

[terse orbit]

It is a good pain

[hot epoch]

ah good to hear

[tidal adder]

Ill give the kinetic shield a shot again if oyu say so, but man being able to 100% block ranged damage seems way better than block at the cost of peril

[ornate hamlet]

For the Cliffhanger penance, is there a certain feat that gives me a stronger push with my F ability?

[hot epoch]

they are so nice!

constantly complimenting

[silent bay]

i agree

[tidal adder]

unless you have "block ranged attacks" on the sword

[cobalt granite]

I’m not forcing casual players to be less casual. But I don’t want to be forced into being less hardcore either. Everyone has their way

[terse orbit]

Just higher % of peril

[silent bay]

you'd think it would want us to slip up so it can consume us

[mortal cargo]

i only wonder why they want me to go over 100% peril constantly

[silent bay]

could it be a chaos god thats communicating with us?

[hot epoch]

honestly i dont know, but every time i do, i get funky horns

[ornate hamlet]

got it, thank you

[hot epoch]

and they dissappear again

[cobalt granite]

I just hate when casual players come here and say things like psyker is useless and stuff

[hot epoch]

how could they be? we are SANCTIONED psykers, not heretics

[terse orbit]

Go around 75-80% for best push

[tidal adder]

I hate it when i get horny after hearing voices

[mortal cargo]

for me it depends on what i go for. If i use power weapons and want high peril, blocking that gives me peril is just win win for me

[hot epoch]

psyker might be a bit weaker than the rest but id like

ignore it?

[mortal cargo]

the funkiest

[silent bay]

i dont think the imperium has a control over what voices we hear in our heads

[hot epoch]

maybe...

should we ask?

[tidal adder]

What lvl 30 perk are yall using?

[silent bay]

thats what psykers do right? tap into the warp/chaos for our power

[hot epoch]

Yeah

[terse orbit]

The voices say no

[cobalt granite]

Depends on many factors

[silent bay]

so if we're hearing voices from the warp it could be anything, werent some people saying the "beloved" thats brought up could be the emperor

[terse orbit]

Soul blaze

[cobalt granite]

All of them, basically

[tidal adder]

Thats what they want ouy to think

does the flamer staff and the flame for perks count as one?

[radiant vale]

They stack with each other yes

[hot epoch]

the beloved is almost certainly the emperor

[finite goblet]

for the purposes of procs, yes.

[hot epoch]

there are rituals to bind the soul to that of the emperor

[tidal adder]

So you can get the passive perk from killing with flamer?

[gilded viper]

In the description of the character’s personality they believe it is the emperor personally. Most people just think they’re insane

[finite goblet]

yes

[tidal adder]

oh

[hot epoch]

it can be a soulbinding which some psykers undergo

on the other hand; theyre probably bonkers

[cobalt granite]

They don’t count as the same source but they can stack on top of each other. The max amount of stacks from different sources is different, though.

[tidal adder]

I should get a flamer staff then

[finite goblet]

soulflame is soulflame in all forms be it the staff or the burn from the scream/BB kill

[terse orbit]

On the other other hand is it's a lying chaos daemon

[mortal cargo]

honestly, take the staff that feels the best for you

[terse orbit]

We will never know

[silent bay]

but since each psyker obviously does hear some voices, those voices could be nothing and just their imagination, or they could be nergle/any chaos god/emperor/imperium/etc

[tidal adder]

"Enemies killed by any Soulblaze effects have a 10% chance to grant you a Warp Charge."
so does this work with staff?

[hot epoch]

on the other other hand, its the genestealer patriarch

[cobalt granite]

Yes

[finite goblet]

it does.

[hot epoch]

its corn

[cobalt granite]

But only with the burning part, not direct damage from the fire

[silent bay]

like jonathan davis?

[finite goblet]

no fire can give it too

[tidal adder]

well

Thats kinda sad

[mortal cargo]

corn for the corn god, butter for butter throne?

[tidal adder]

I mean this does stack with flamer staff, but you cant get warp charge from hitting with sword special

[terse orbit]

Which reminds me to go blow up a genestealer's brain one day

[cobalt granite]

Wut. It is not soulblaze

[tacit plinth]

Does essence harvest keep proccing after you hit max stacks?

[gilded viper]

It’s likely just daemons in general. Psyker glow like a giant light to them as an attempt to manifest in the materium.
All the personalities are some degree of insane tho. Savant I find has a particular obsession with protocol. Very much terrified of what happens if they don’t follow it.

[finite goblet]

the fire is soulblaze aswell. it just leaves a stack.

[silent bay]

these are subsects within psykers?

[gilded viper]

Yes, as long as you “gain” a warp charge.

[silent bay]

savant/etc?

[cobalt granite]

It is not, I believe, have to confirm in the meat grinder

[finite goblet]

I have confirmed.

[tidal adder]

I feel so limited on psyker, to play optimaly anyway

[terse orbit]

If you want to use a gun my guy go for it

[tacit plinth]

okay so after 4 you are pretty much boned then from the wording. is there a solid choice for the first feat?

[gilded viper]

Savant voice personality, Loner voice and Seer voice are the 3 voice types available to Psyker, not really a subset persay.

[cobalt granite]

Umm, all classes have limits, don’t they?

[silent bay]

ah right

wish there was a way we could see what we picked during char gen

[terse orbit]

Not that I seen so far

[tidal adder]

I dont, I love his weapons, they just dont fit so well with the class. I mean the flamer staff does with one way to build a character. But the other ways seem very lackluster

[gilded viper]

No, you can still gain warp charges after having 4, the feat still works. I said gain in air quotes because it doesn’t go above 4/6.

[finite goblet]

if you wanna confirm for yourself you can do it with ither the tap fire or charged fire.

[cobalt granite]

Will do tomorrow

[tacit plinth]

I see, that appears to be one of the best options given that caveat then. Thanks yo. Appreciate you.

[gilded viper]

No problem.

[terse orbit]

I just don't have a great build or anything else, we psykers are just the most oppressed group on the ship. But in all honesty we need a few better weapons to rock

[gilded viper]

I wouldn’t mind a force sword with a horizontal swing.

Release is in 2 days tho. Wait and see and all that.

[ornate hamlet]

how do you get cliffhanger, seems impossible with how little push back distance wrath does

[terse orbit]

Force great sword

[cobalt granite]

Build up peril to increase the push back

[gilded viper]

I did it at the tiny bridge at the start of the ammo raid mission.

[terse orbit]

Higher peril % increases push distance

[bitter abyss]

Force Great Sword Saw Blade

[gilded viper]

Easier in a premade to wrangle the horde

[ornate hamlet]

Will the game be a bit more optimized after launch? Bought the game for a buddy and he cant run it ):

[cobalt granite]

Also you can push them with anything, not just ultimate

[bitter abyss]

Force Scythe

[finite goblet]

there is a really easy spot at the start of one of the strike missions

[ornate hamlet]

Ahhh I'll try that. Thank you

[hasty ether]

Logistratum ammo mission is where i got cliffhanger done. Ability push +force sword on the tiny bridge

[tidal adder]

Id say its a perk issue tbh
Force sword not giving a brain burst stack is pain
kinetic flayer on 15sec cooldown is ew too, i get that it would be too strong while using the electric staff but still

[hasty ether]

it helps a ton if your group sits on one side of the bridge for you

[cobalt granite]

Good point on warp stack from the blade, actually

Makes sense since it pops heads

[tidal adder]

and the flamer staff stacks with soulblaze buff too

[worn canopy]

Does it

[finite goblet]

yes.

[tidal adder]

such a missed opportunity, im sure theyll add it though seems like a no brainer

haha

cuz brain burst

[worn canopy]

🤯

[cobalt granite]

I wonder why they didn’t use that as a name for something

Penance or feat

[tidal adder]

Dont give them ideas

[cobalt granite]

They don’t care anyway

[eager kite]

how hard is this cliffhanger penance, only got 4/20

[cobalt granite]

Depends on how hard you make it for yourself

[tidal adder]

what does "up to 2% Power, scales with peril" mean?

[hasty ether]

not too hard with a full premade group and Logistratum with endless hoards

[tidal adder]

2% power per one peril?

[wide quest]

It can be the easiest thing in the world or your generational nemesis depending on your luck.

[cobalt granite]

Basically it means that you got the crappiest weapon. Congratz

[terse orbit]

[wide quest]

I got mine by accident.

:3

[tidal adder]

well

[eager kite]

has to be a cheese for it

[tidal adder]

the shop didnt roll me flamer staff

[terse orbit]

I just chose stuff I can understand

[tidal adder]

guess ill just go suffer

[hybrid thicket]

any juicy tips for pick n mix gentlemen

[hallow ermine]

use Psykinetic's wrath to knock 20 enemies off a ledge that leads to the abyss. not hard at all, but you need some great luck. it rely should be 10

[bleak sonnet]

kill 5 elites in 10 seconds

[cobalt granite]

In His name we all suffer

[wide quest]

A premade team, yeah. And luck.

THat's about it tbh.

Luck

[tidal adder]

Obama?

[hybrid thicket]

that is very helpful my friend

[cobalt granite]

Putin

[eager kite]

isnt it hard with a bunch of randoms

feels like you need a premade for it

[tidal adder]

you need luck too

[wide quest]

A premade sure makes it easier

But it's possible to do on heresy endless horde with bots

[tidal adder]

ragers are mostly by 3 so thats something

[wide quest]

If you've got the luck for it

[finite goblet]

don't need luck if you know where to do it.

[wide quest]

RIght place, right time.

[eager kite]

hmm anyone got time to help me get it?

[hallow ermine]

this is helpful? 🙂

[finite goblet]

There is a small bridge at the start of one of the ammo strike missions you can lead packs and or hordes on to and blow them off

[terse orbit]

You want us to say it's all luck instead?

[tidal adder]

Chasm Logistratum

you dont drop down, you walk ahead

[terse orbit]

I tried cliff hanger on smelter and only got 11

[finite goblet]

thank you

[cobalt granite]

Yea, go blow off a horde. That’s all it takes.

[wide quest]

Give them a blow off the edge.

[tidal adder]

let me reroll shop for 1000 gold

[cobalt granite]

Too cheap

[tidal adder]

900 then

[finite goblet]

I could see it being like... 5k 10k at most

[haughty osprey]

force sword stun lock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCAJ1RS1wfI&list=PL2WiDWDmLcJiDdgPvX2SMfsxqIH3F-hxE&ab_channel=Gankalf'sMagicMotions

[tidal adder]

id make it free once

every hour

[cobalt granite]

Should be the same as weekly quests. Free/2500/5000/7500

[terse orbit]

Just let us craft weapons

[wide quest]

1 hug from nurgle beast per reset, that should be the price.

[finite goblet]

please no.

[ornate hamlet]

You know what

This fit doesn't look too bad

I hope we get more "casual" wear for our characters to wear

[cobalt granite]

One French kiss with the nurgle beast

[tidal adder]

or like, totally different system

[cobalt granite]

Or this

[fleet crater]

psyker copium 😛

[wide quest]

The solution to a century worth of peace for Tertium.

[ornate hamlet]

Are Psyker's known for being super flamboyant lmao

[wide quest]

I wish my psyker could go bare chested and show off his magnificent chest hair.

[tidal adder]

wdym, psykers are the only ones who actually have cool fits

have yall seen the Zealot helmets?

[wide quest]

Some dominatrix stuff, I tell you.

[fleet crater]

I think vets are the only one with style

[cobalt granite]

You mean the red panties for face?

[ornate hamlet]

Practical and not too flamboyant 🥵

Just what I like

[cobalt granite]

Go think some more, dear

[tidal adder]

it reminds me of the kids toy where you have to put the shapes into the right holes

[wide quest]

Aight.

[tidal adder]

Style? not really but they could definitely make a soup in that helmet

[fleet crater]

Those smexy flak vests

[wide quest]

A good soup.

[cobalt granite]

Would you try it?

[ornate hamlet]

Helmet soup

"Mmm, you can really taste the lice"

[fleet crater]

100% helmet soup, just like ww2

[cobalt granite]

What if he’s bald

[wide quest]

Dead skin cells.

[ornate hamlet]

Extra crunchy

[tidal adder]

Wear the helmet? no
The soup? have you seen the place where our drinking water comes from? yes, yes i would

[cobalt granite]

I’ve seen it. I’ve swam and peed in there, too.

[tidal adder]

we call it "extra spices"

[cobalt granite]

Extra lices

[wide quest]

Truly a game changer for the culinary world.

[tidal adder]

Unless it was your helmet

[wide quest]

What's wrong with mine huh?

[tidal adder]

such a wasted opportunity honestly, having a head so shiny with no added flavors

[wide quest]

Premium seasoning.

[cobalt granite]

Yours would taste like soap

[ornate hamlet]

Btw, what is the Psyker collar for?

[tidal adder]

collateral

[ornate hamlet]

?

[haughty osprey]

if he begins to be possesed boom

or she

or it in 40k to

[wide quest]

Psykers are a ticking time bomb.

Wait a minute is this why they came up with that god damn penance where you need to blow yourself up?

[fleet crater]

No thats just fatshark drinking our dispair

[cobalt granite]

No, it’s cos they incentivize team play

[wide quest]

Ah yes, team play.

[tidal adder]

thats probably just some real life event easteregg

[hasty ether]

its a really anti objective penance. sabotages yourself to get a penance done

[wide quest]

If I get down, my team now has to perform better than their regular standard.

[cobalt granite]

You’re dark

[tidal adder]

all of psykers penance are

Solo a boss, Push 20 off a ledge that you cant do without slowing down the game, literally kill yourself

the worst of them

kill a hound with brain burst

[cobalt granite]

We have good ones too - kill 5 elites in 10 seconds

[vernal shale]

what is warp attack and warp resist ?

[terse orbit]

Just psyker things

[wide quest]

Solo bos with brain burst doesn't really affect your team, just time consuming. But that depends if you get the plague ogryn or beast of nurgle. Ogryn is pretty easy to kite and kill by yourself, nurgle wants to hug you at all cost and so vomits love juice onto you.

[tidal adder]

slowing down the entire mission sounds like affecting your team

[wide quest]

Depends if you nicely asked them before hand or not.

:3

BUt yeah I just do it with a premade tbh.

[terse orbit]

Just throw the whole game cause you need to stop and fight the boss for 40 minutes

[proud thorn]

surge staff means electricity, right?

[tidal adder]

yes

[main jay]

I'll troll every Psyker trying the achievement by shooting the bad guy, thus pointing out how dumb the design of the achievement is.

[terse orbit]

Yea

[proud thorn]

thanks babes

[tidal adder]

😦

[wide quest]

Took me around 3-4 minutes for plague ogryn, but about 6-10 minutes for beast of nurgle.

[main jay]

Because it is absurdly dumb in it's design

[terse orbit]

[half wind]

Just spent 9 minutes at max warp charges and didnt get the penance

[terse orbit]

Do it at the end

[cobalt granite]

Why troll psykers though

[tidal adder]

how is actively giving your mates a hard time less dumb?

[proud thorn]

yeah im not gonna try to do cliffhanger in a public match

[hasty ether]

description is wrong has to be on heresy or higher

[half wind]

WHat the fuck

I wasted so much fucking time

[wide quest]

I miss vermintide 2 challenges

[main jay]

I play a psyker, the achievement is completely counter to.. the entire game.

[terse orbit]

Welcome to being a psyker

[tidal adder]

heresy is T4?

[terse orbit]

Ye

[hasty ether]

yes

[tidal adder]

that explains it

[hot epoch]

we just had a game, honestly, my friends and i had 1 rule; make the game as hard as possible for everyone

[main jay]

'solo this hard boss in a game designed around teamwork' just dumb.

[cobalt granite]

You’re oficially a psyker now

[tidal adder]

so you just played like you always do?

I had to.

[wide quest]

Not only that, anything else that touches the boss besides your brain burst will ruin the penance.

[terse orbit]

Including barrels

Fun

[hot epoch]

it ended up in targetting headpopping units so the psyker couldnt get charges
triggering every barrel the vet was near
pulling chargers in so they would be between yourself and another

etc etc

[main jay]

Like I wonder if you should get warned/disciplined if you actively shot a boss someone was trying to solo.

[lofty storm]

Doesnt change you being a prick griefing your team

[hot epoch]

so anyone that attacks a boss a psyker headpops once gets a warning?

i mean

[lofty storm]

Griefing your team mate* sorry

[wide quest]

I failed 2 times, first time thanks to bomber. Second time I wasn't aware that the bleed blessing on my knife is some how working on my brain burst.

[hot epoch]

all you have to do to get this achievement is hope you can find or get in with people who will let you or help you

[tidal adder]

or just give up

[hot epoch]

which.. yeah thats tiresome

[tidal adder]

thats my life moto

[hot epoch]

but like, you could also be vet and not have to be allowed to take melee damage

[wide quest]

"Give up on your dreams and die."

[main jay]

I just wish the devs put a bit more thought into the penances, especially Psyker penances.

[wide quest]

[cobalt granite]

Can’t you cheese it, though?

[tidal adder]

just helped a guy get that penance by waiting for him to rejoin at the end.

[hot epoch]

I personally think the challenges are fine

[scarlet barn]

bro, that changes nothing, youre still just being an ass

[hot epoch]

but hats me

[tidal adder]

way easier than psykers penances if you ask me

[wide quest]

But hey

[haughty osprey]

yes lets make it all easy so we do not have to make a effort, come on challenge yourselfs

[main jay]

I didn't have much issue getting the majority of zealot penances

Psyker is another level

[cobalt granite]

I like that psyker is weird like that.

[wide quest]

At least I can flex my drip.

[tidal adder]

I like them too, but id make the first one or two a bit easier or just balanced around the new psyker, not prenerf one

[lofty storm]

Yeah I want absurd challenges that most people won't achieve personally

[tidal adder]

I love challenges for something thats worth and requires teamwork

[hot epoch]

Not that really

[wide quest]

Tbh, once you get the penance you're likely to not want them to rework them so you can flex the drip.

[hot epoch]

more that, its nice to see that you have to actually do something for a change in a game

[wide quest]

[celest hedge]

my only issue with zealot and veteran penaces are the grenade ones

[hot epoch]

theres so much hand holding

[tidal adder]

thats the thing

[cobalt granite]

Then go do 100 missions with no one being downed once in a team.

[tidal adder]

I dont want you to get the challenge if you cant do it

you dont deserve it

[haughty osprey]

grande you do at smealter last pasrt

[lofty storm]

Yup

[haughty osprey]

part by the door

stand down stairs and loob it high toerwds mid done

next

[tidal adder]

I hope you mean in a row, else its too easy

[hot epoch]

theres gonna be uh, skins you can buy anyway so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

save up some coins

[haughty osprey]

work think it´s fun try it

[scarlet barn]

the perfect challenge should be achievable solo, easier in a squad, and not force you to play selfish / avoid the team. Challenges that do make you have to do so shouldnt lock away items, as it just incentivises being an ass, but still give a reward of some sort, maybe some money or something

[cobalt granite]

I wish it would only count heresy+

[hot epoch]

i do wholly agree that they shouldnt force selfishness and soloable, its a team game after all

[main jay]

Yeah forcing your entire team to cater to you for a personal challenge is poor game design for a teambased coop shooter lmao

[tidal adder]

If an item (skin) is given easily, it loses its worth

Imo anyway

[lofty storm]

I'm used to brain-dead ranger vets being a burden anyway so people doing selfish challenges is fine by me

[main jay]

I guarantee this is gonna happen to the point devs will be forced to change it

[hot epoch]

''but everyone has it'' isnt something you should chase

[cobalt granite]

Idc if people complain about it. I got it, it was a pain in my ass but now I can flex. All good.

[tidal adder]

Unless its a moustache

because it movembers boys

[lofty storm]

Yeah there needs to be giga hard challenges with unique drip to flex, not just a recolour

[tidal adder]

doesnt the flex feel good?

[scarlet barn]

i agree, but when the method of getting it done is close to impossible without making a team, but then easy as shit with a team it makes a weird case

[cobalt granite]

That’s my point

[scarlet barn]

it should be hard to get, something you need to work for, but not something that can only be done by cheese / grouping up

[celest hedge]

the most purplexing thing is having a challenge that requires you to down yourself with peril

[tidal adder]

In a Coop focused game? debatable

[celest hedge]

the other ones I can kind of get, but that's so badly designed

[scarlet barn]

if the only challenge in getting something done is finding 3 people who go along with it, then it really isnt a challenge

[wide quest]

Ngl I saw someone getting this by accident.

[mint imp]

this one asking for throws yeah

[celest hedge]

i didn't know how to get that one for a long time since I didn't realize what they wanted you to do

[tidal adder]

I agree that wasting time and waiting for a psyker to solo a boss is stupid, but something like "Use brain burst on 5 enemies in zealots grenade" would be cool.

[mint imp]

I feel like it was their intent, sounds fun to get one from blowing up when you mess up.

[celest hedge]

same with the ogryn one for throwing your grenade box at one of those eye things in infection missions, I was trying to figure out what that enemy was

[scarlet barn]

soloing a monstrosity for example, thats never going to happen in a pub, the second you load a dedicated squad youll get it first or second try for example @tidal adder the only challenge in that penance is getting 3 people, and then an ogryn or beast to spawn

[wide quest]

Nah they just straight up wasn't paying attention while using the purgatus staff.

[lofty storm]

Gives you an excuse to blowing up "just going for a challenge guys"

[tidal adder]

@scarlet barn yes

[mint imp]

[lofty storm]

It'll eventually happen naturally, the amount of times in V2 my whole party went down, followed by a boss spawn, it can and will occur

[daring grotto]

haha yes, it job for ogryn to box the eye out of the heritic. I had a tin

[main jay]

Honestly a lot of the penances would be WAY better if they tallied up over time oppose to all at once. Like push 20 things off a Cliff? If you get that over time you don't need a dedicated setup for it.

[celest hedge]

I do sometimes feel like when you start to explode from over heat, sometimes you just explode instantly rather than going into the animation, I went down a few times like that because they didn't let me use my ult

[lofty storm]

Isn't a challenge at that point lol

[tidal adder]

I think its when you get hit by melee

[wide quest]

I'm fine with pushing 20 enemies off a cliff tbh.

[mint imp]

Isn't it from going over over heat?

[main jay]

It's a T1 achievement and requires a certain map at a certain spot, for a certain horde and a certain team to do a certain thing at the certain spot.

[lofty storm]

A challenge should be exactly that, a challenge, not something you get by passively playing

[main jay]

Most people are gonna kill hordes

[scarlet barn]

id like to see more challenges where it would be say "kill every type of elite in X time" would make a good penance, or something along the lines of "maintain full warp charges for an entire level", "kill X amount of enemies by over limiting" "kill a grenadier by staggering him mid throw with force push" stuff along those lines

[celest hedge]

it's so hard to push single people off cliffs since the knockback on the ult isn't consistant, muchless being in a position for the push to do an environmental kill, and 20 people is alot

[scarlet barn]

the difficulty stays the same in a solo or squad, granted some of those are insanely easy, but the point is what matters

[lofty storm]

Play on higher difficulty and pick that map, you're overexaggerating

[tidal adder]

full warp charges - elevator - anger

[mint imp]

Yeah similar to the one with brain bursting the hound mid-air, this one felt super nice!

[main jay]

What I'm saying is, the achievements should be designed in a way that doesn't require much co-ordination from your team mates, they should be available for pubs, they're some of the only cosmetics in the game

[wide quest]

I do have to say again, I did get it by accident on heresy while playing with bots.

[lofty storm]

If it's still too hard to do in a pub, setup an LFG

[main jay]

Instead people getting funneled into a skinshop

[scarlet barn]

yeah obviously that one wouldnt be perfect, but you get the point of it

[lofty storm]

Yeah it isn't hard

[main jay]

Playing with bots would make it easier to get

[celest hedge]

I think the better type of penance is like the zealot one for full healing with one of their feats, or maybe that 100% accuracy one for sharpshooter through maybe without the 0 ammo requirement

[wide quest]

But yeah, I do have to admit that having luck as a part of the equation is a bit of a pain in the ass.

[scarlet barn]

its just annoying, challenges where you have to go out of your way to complete them are meh in my opinion

challenges should come naturally, not be forced

[lofty storm]

I got mine naturally

[main jay]

Psyker penance could be 'don't go below critical peril after the first minute for the whole mission'.

[lofty storm]

I didn't have to setup an LFG

[hasty ether]

the problem with the psyker ones are many of them are down to luck more than skill

[wide quest]

I'd give 5 penance points for that.

[scarlet barn]

i wouldnt say luck, but just setup

[lofty storm]

It's a coop game, it isn't unreasonable to ask your buds to hold off 20 secs to allow you to get an achievement

[scarlet barn]

most of them you have to force

[lofty storm]

Even then, a lot of pubs are chill

[scarlet barn]

the level 4s on malice says otherwise

[hasty ether]

i would say the cliffhanger is a setup one

[scarlet barn]

[main jay]

What region? They're not in EU lmao

[hot epoch]

ive not had anyone yell at me in EU pubs yet

then again; i block the ones that are clearly griefing so

[main jay]

I have after penance attempts

[hot epoch]

lmao

[scarlet barn]

depends, most games NA nobody talks, or even types, then runs off and gets themselves killed then blames the team in chat

[wide quest]

APAC seems pretty chill for me.

[scarlet barn]

when people do use mics its always a good time though

[hasty ether]

yeah haven't had a mic group fail yet

[scarlet barn]

i think its the unfortunate nature of it being a FPS style title, it attracts a much younger, and less mature audience than VT2 did imo

[hasty ether]

except when cheesing the zealot one

but is it really failing if your failing intentionally?

[scarlet barn]

little johnny is much more intrigued by the gory shooter game than the elves and dwarfs with medieval weaponry

[wide quest]

Mission successfully failed.

[still apex]

it's just the hype period; all the streamer fans jump on until something new comes along

[scarlet barn]

only like day one when nobody knew what we were doing and werent expecting all the nerfs and got our shit rocks by the assassin target lol

[scarlet barn]

i mean 40k as a whole has a much younger following than plain WH

[still apex]

true

[scarlet barn]

but you are right, i assume as time goes on and a lot more people understand the game it will improve

[lofty storm]

In that case, increase the difficulty for less lowbies, ask friends, ask discord members, or just play the game normally, you'll eventually get it, the game will be supported for years, you have time, the game hasn't come out yet

[still apex]

most will learn after a string of pre-extract vote-kicks

[scarlet barn]

just waiting for a day all my buddies are off work and we can all spend some time playing, only get a few hours a week to play in a squad, so for my lfg experience has been, well, interesting

but the game really is great fun with 4 guys in a vc playing together, this game really is a masterpiece

[marble drift]

to quote Jackie Estacado, "Luck is nine parts preparation, one part opportunity"

[lofty storm]

Would put up an LFG post then, you're already in the server

Wouldn't go so far too call it a master piece though

[wide quest]

Doing the ogryn penance where everyone has to stay in coherency with said ogryn was wild, but fun.

[lofty storm]

This game has potential, but everything feels like a step down from vermintide mostly

Aside from the weapons/loot

[still apex]

i've done pretty well playing exclusively PUGs. could be a region thing

[wide quest]

Definitely.

[scarlet barn]

eh, ticks all the boxes for me, ive been fortunate enough to miss a large part of the issues

[lofty storm]

Loot acquisition sucks atm, but having implicit rolls on gear is awesome, as well as different MK weapons is a breath of fresh air

[scarlet barn]

yeah its not bad, but theres some games that make me question why they are playing on level 5

[still apex]

yeah tier 5 pugs are...

[lofty storm]

Also lack of mod support and less ability to clutch compared to VT2 is a no-no for me, but that's subjective

Nobody has been queueing for T4/5 in OCE, I'm solo a lot of the time

[wide quest]

Clutching is definitely harder compared to VT2, at least for my experience.

[scarlet barn]

yeah, i agree there, i hope when we get private games we could do mods but who knows

[lofty storm]

And my friends find T3 too hard 😦

[lofty storm]

I'm 90% sure FS advised there won't be mod support at all

[still apex]

ikr... tier 4 sometimes but t5 is a ghost town

[lofty storm]

Which sucks as mods vastly improved my experience in VT2, especially getting into true solo runs

[lofty storm]

You're in OCE?

[still apex]

yep

[lofty storm]

Easy, hmu we'll play sometime, at work atm

[still apex]

but i use a gun/force sword build so i tend to queue solo

[scarlet barn]

people need to learn with the difficulties, 1-2 teach you the game, 3 tests your gear, 4 tests your teamwork, 5 puts it all together and makes you suffer

going to 4 and playing like its 2 wont get you very far at all

[lofty storm]

Yeah I've mainly been playing T3 given most of my friends chill at T2, T4/T5 I only really try with some friends who have good comms/game sense

[hexed sonnet]

I like to play two main builds, voidstrike staff for more dps, eliminating l further enemies. The other is surge and is more for CC and support

[scarlet barn]

i havent been too big of a fan of lightning, maybe i just have a bad roll

[elfin geode]

Sorry if this has been asked, what are we feelin for best psyker melee weapon?

[pine cargo]

i just got my first force staff and warp sword and I was not a fan of either of them.
granted i think psyker just aint for me

[scarlet barn]

the drain feels weird on it and the cc range feels low, compared to how quickly void deletes hordes

[hexed sonnet]

Lightning is nice, but is useful for crowd control and stopping specials mid attack

[scarlet barn]

dualing sword is really fun, devil claw has amazing CC, but the force sword is just great

you can get rolls on it that make it block projectiles and melee, and it does more damage than BB when charged

[rocky locust]

can you disable the effects

[bleak reef]

Psyker just feels like it's getting outclassed

[elfin geode]

I like force sword but it seems regular sword is the superior horde manager

[lofty storm]

I mainly use duelling sword and one of the devil's claw swords

[still apex]

light attack-heavy attack-block cancel repeat

[scarlet barn]

psyker went from main dps to main support betwen the CBT and PoB builds, relying on only BB as psyker wont get you very far anymore

[lofty storm]

The devil's claw that has an overhead into slash for its heavy is NUTS

[elfin geode]

I agree with that, seems like vet does our job but faster

[lofty storm]

Light heavy on it RIPS hordes

[wide quest]

It's a class that's not good at a certain job, but more flexible in order to fill the support role.

[scarlet barn]

i want an alt pattern force sword with devil claw attack pattern

it would be so good

[wide quest]

We we're never supposed to be elite killers.

[scarlet barn]

well kinda

[elfin geode]

We're NOT??

[wide quest]

Sort of

[lofty storm]

Yeah a different MK forcesword would be great

[hexed sonnet]

Only if you spot them first

[lofty storm]

Are we getting more weapons on launch?

[wide quest]

We just happened to have the tool that can kill them with ease.

[scarlet barn]

like i said compared to the CBT, the PoB build psyker plays a lot different

[scarlet barn]

i believe about 10

[elfin geode]

We're a ranged DPS class, how are we not elite and special killers

[lofty storm]

For real!? FS confirmed it?

[scarlet barn]

they said 70+ in a devblog a while back, and said we got 60+ this beta

[wide quest]

I wouldn't say we're a ranged DPS class.

[scarlet barn]

so who knows

[marble drift]

definitely possible. I think a psyker would be viable without those two, but at that point you have to decide if the brainburst is worth just taking a less able veteran.

[wide quest]

Vet fits that role more.

[still apex]

i'm hanging out for the bolt/plasma pistols

[elfin geode]

Can you define the psyker role as you see it?

[main jay]

CC support

[wide quest]

Well, psyker is a support for sure.

[lofty storm]

Also need to take into account the IMPLICIT weapon rolls, sometimes you just get a bad roll, and it shows

[elfin geode]

How?

[wide quest]

Fills the gaps the the team has.

[main jay]

All staves CC in some way

[pine cargo]

i already maxed veteran and decided to try out another class and went with psyker. it just doesn't scratch the itch for me like vet did

[lofty storm]

I'm looking forward to trying out the conflag again, I hated it when I used it, but had bad rolls

[elfin geode]

Which are?

[main jay]

Surge is the best CC in the game, purgatus can stun hordes a little bit, void staggers a little, trauma knocks back a bit.

Surge defo the best for hard CC tho

[marble drift]

understandable; I maxed psyker and am now playing vet and am somewhat uncomfortable relying on my ammo pool and inability to quickly deal with ogryn

[wide quest]

Psykers have the ability to help clear and cc hordes, as well as specials provided that you use certain staves. They can also get rid of elites/specials from afar and safely especially when the veteran is occupied.

[elfin geode]

I don't see that as better than running 2 vets

[wide quest]

2 vets will likely be fighting over ammo, even more so if there a zealot with flamer.

[elfin geode]

Everyone has the ability to cc and clear hordes

That is compelling

The ammo thing

[marble drift]

malice and lower, I find void to provide the best CC, in the form of murder in large amounts

[main jay]

Oh for sure Vet is more powerful

But CC surge staff is v good

[pine cargo]

that'll change when you get better weapons.
any of the chain weapons or power sword are amazing at dealing with anything in melee range and the bolter can kill a crusher in one mag burst

playing around ammo takes getting used to but all the laz weapons chew through ammo early on

[lofty storm]

Not the mk12

[still apex]

well, only up to T3... after that the CC is very unreliable

[elfin geode]

I just find space magic more interesting than gunning good so that's why I'm drawn here but it seems like 2 vets and me on Zealot is objectively better

[marble drift]

yeah, I'll learn to use a surge more effectively when I have the time

[hasty wolf]

Kinda wish force sword special kills would grant or at the very least upkeep warp stacks

[proud sierra]

I'm so sick and tired of these got damn crashes dude every game

[main jay]

imo

Vet > Ogryn > Zealot > Psyker

Vet can do everything and do it well, ranged, elites, hordes.
Ogryn staggers on light attacks, grenade box is OP with 2nd talent, cleaver melee wep is insane.
Zealot has the really good damage reduce but people struggle to play it right by not charging backline gunners.
Psyker, uhhhh.. you bring CC with surge staff, brain burst is shit at high tier, that's about it.

[marble drift]

there's no doubt that there's imbalance in the classes, and some of that stems from core design issues, but even with how little I use it I just still have trouble without BB in my kit

[hot epoch]

im waiting for the patches

and the subclasses to be expanded

[wide quest]

What sort of troubles do you run into?

[cobalt bramble]

purg staff and void staff are good wave clear and horde management

[marble drift]

Crushers

since I like to use braced guns

[wide quest]

Crushers I honestly just slide around and brain burst them.

[marble drift]

that's what I'm saying, without BB, I struggle with them

[wide quest]

Why don't you use bb then?

[marble drift]

"but even with how little I use it I just still have trouble without BB in my kit"
was referring to when I play other classes

[wide quest]

Ohhh

[marble drift]

the sentence structure probably could have used work

[wide quest]

Vets can definitely handle crushers if they have the power sword, takes like around 6 swings I think?

The other classes, not really sure.

Zealot could run a bleed knife maybe.

[scarlet barn]

its just bad tbh

[wide quest]

Does boltor work on them? If it does then boltor for vet and zealot.

[marble drift]

yeah, I just don't have that yet. Plus, I plan to use the plasma gun once I get it so that might also fix the issue.

[scarlet barn]

conflag compared to any other staff is just inferior imo

[marble drift]

I'm hoping for a "feral psyker" with a force shiv

[scarlet barn]

similar effect to void but harder to aim, worse LMB attack, doesnt stagger, etc

[hot epoch]

Thunderslammer

[marble drift]

I just don't like that the fire is the same color as the hit markers. other than that I have nothing to say on it's efficacy, only that it's fun to use imo

[paper trail]

I hope purgatus crash gets fixed so I can actually try one sometime

[brazen briar]

They should def make BB scale with either average ilvl or staff ilvl

[marble drift]

if you like the flamer, it's basically that but with perils based ammo

[scarlet barn]

im mixe about BB

it should scale, but it also really shouldnt 1 shot like it does in higher levels

[wide quest]

It should scale with how much chest hair my psyker has.

[scarlet barn]

it goes from ability to then main weapon really quickly

[wide quest]

Which is a generous amount, and looks very magnificent.

[scarlet barn]

after all, BB is a support ability

[brazen briar]

i'd assume psychic powers would burn all that shit off

[paper trail]

psykers smell like burnt pubes

[wide quest]

At least it would be glorious.

[brazen briar]

i mean, i think it should def do a lot more damage, considering you leave yourself completly open when you use it

[scarlet barn]

i think it needs to stagger mutants, 1 shot dogs in high levels, given multiple dogs come at you you should at least be able to stop one

[brazen briar]

that already would be a good start

[paper trail]

lets not forget you can proc it too off the perk tho

[wide quest]

I'd love it if they also stagger the target when you lock onto them during the charge up for brain burst.

[marble drift]

which is the only way I get warp charges, lol

[paper trail]

they could make it an aoe

[scarlet barn]

yeah but thats a lot to bank on tbf

[brazen briar]

other than cc, psucher has next to no usefullness at higher diffs

[viscid matrix]

my idea to fix it is to have half the cast time, then make the capstone feat give it a 2 meter aoe after using ability

[scarlet barn]

i mean tbf psyker is support

[brazen briar]

and lets be real, cc is kidna pointless against elites if you got an ogryn blocking a door with a shield

[scarlet barn]

his main goal is to fill the gaps

[viscid matrix]

psyker is supposed to be a glass cannon, right now its glass without the cannon

[scarlet barn]

good cc, solid dps, can kill at range vs elites

[scarlet barn]

no not at all really

[brazen briar]

psycher and veterans are suposed to be the 2 dps class

but only vet is atm

[scarlet barn]

psyker is a jack of all trades, master of none

[paper trail]

10% damage aura and 15% damage buff for non warp attacks on bb target though

[clever hawk]

Do the revolver stop showing up after a bit, cuz I want one now dor fun but I can't seem to fine any

[viscid matrix]

i dont feel the incredible power and damage output at a price

[brazen briar]

and our ability to deal with elites is next to non existant at high diffs

esp when the vet can 1 shot 4 or 10002 elites in a row

[marble drift]

I think if they advertised that force staves aren't reliant on ammo and quell faster than swords or bb, we might see more people committing to the class

[viscid matrix]

the psyker is not what its supposed to be, and the void staff is the only reason we can do the damage we are suposed do

[wide quest]

I think fatshark some how wanted the psyker to be a support but some how made them come off as this sort of space wizard damage dealer only for people to be utterly disappointed while not realizing their true calling.

That or they just nerfed the shit out of psyker.

[brazen briar]

i doubt its a nerf

[wide quest]

They broke em

[brazen briar]

its just an issue of scaling

[viscid matrix]

"we dont need ammo" is a shit reason, we have to manage a resource instead which has a quell time equal to a reload

[manic halo]

I can't remeber what was different about the first betas version of psyker

[scarlet barn]

kinda both

[south monolith]

Which elites are we talking about?

[scarlet barn]

psyker was really overtuned in the CBT, he feels how he should inthe PoB

[brazen briar]

if BB scaled with ilvl, most of the issue would be fixed

and if we could actually get modifiers for BB on curios

[scarlet barn]

i say this almost every time this is mentioned, but there is a lot more than just BB for psyker, and when you play the class a lot more, youll realize BB shouldnt be your primary weapon

[charred topaz]

brain burst made enemies clutch their head, it did more dmg, the psyker ult drained all peril instead of 40%

[marble drift]

and you can do that infinitely, which means it's not a resource

[viscid matrix]

was it overtuned or was it because the bolter and plamsa wasnt available

[viscid matrix]

still a shit reason for the class to be average damage at best

[scarlet barn]

i mean BB 1 shot every special, most elites, and you could cast 10 BB with full warp charge, it felt like you didnt generate peril at all when using the level 30 perk, so id say pretty damn overtuned

you could go the whole game wihtout unequiping BB, which is a little insane

[viscid matrix]

because it was only malice, damnation and herasy requires 3 or 4 bb to kill an elite

[brazen briar]

no shit, in every 4 or 5s i've done, i dont even bother using BB on anything other than a monster, since the vet in my group just clears all the elites instantly anyway

[marble drift]

and I was going to say before you so rudely interjected, "once more people try psyker and see how they fall short, there will be more calls to rebalance"

[charred topaz]

rudely interjected? wtf its a public discord lol

[viscid matrix]

why wait for others to see when we can just make it known before hand?

[viscid matrix]

if you finish what you are saying in 1 post, it wouldnt be interupted

[marble drift]

fair

[haughty osprey]

lol psyker dose crasy dps

[quartz drum]

The only time I try to main BB is when I try to do two of the penances lol

[manic halo]

that shit is demoralising

Like it made me create a vet just becasue I was sick of it

[viscid matrix]

not on damnation and herasy they dont, they are relegated to cc

[manic halo]

couldn't be bothred to play him though haha

[brazen briar]

at best u can be a glorified horde clearer with voidstrike on t4 and t5

[charred topaz]

i use brain burst to debuff monstrosities and..... thats it. Its our groups 3rd option at best for snipers/dogs

[viscid matrix]

wait till you do the pennace for solo killing a monstrocity with brain burst only on heresy, fucking cancerous, takes 5 to 10 minutes to do it

[marble drift]

why are you even bothering with that for those?

[charred topaz]

its not good for anything else

[quartz drum]

Magus is right about that.

[marble drift]

You have better options for ogryn, but still consider using it for dogs?

[wide quest]

I just jump into the fray with my bleed knife when it comes to monstrosity.

[charred topaz]

3rd option

i said that

[marble drift]

that's still a consideration whereas you didn't even mention ogryn

[viscid matrix]

also why is SoulBurn only 150 cap, when burn is like 500 and bleed is 600

[charred topaz]

yeah on Ogryn its trash

better to lightning staff them

and then they are dead

[marble drift]

it takes two hits

[charred topaz]

thats like 4.4 seconds

so slow

[marble drift]

And how much faster is it with the staff?

[charred topaz]

shield ogryn when you lightning staff him he drops his shield

[marble drift]

genuinely wondering

[charred topaz]

so your team crumps him in like .2 seconds

[quartz drum]

Yup

[south monolith]

On threat 5 BB 1 shots all specialist except hound and mutant. It 1 shots gunners and flamers from the elites. Force sword can dunk the other elites, which are all melee.

[marble drift]

you give teams too much credit

[scarlet barn]

yeah, lots of people forget how much damage force sword does

[charred topaz]

im sorry are you arguing that BB is good because players are bad?

[viscid matrix]

no it doesnt, it takes 5 to bb a crusher, 4 for a mauler and 3 for every other one excet dog and sniper are 2

[scarlet barn]

you stagger with the push and your charge heavy with the force sword does like 1600 damage

[marble drift]

I'm arguing that you're saying the surge staff is good because players are good

[south monolith]

Don't mix up elites and specialists.

[charred topaz]

?????

the people i play with ARE good

[quartz drum]

Surge staff good cc

[viscid matrix]

surge staff is good, because it can cc muties and dogs and ogryn

the only reason it can do damage is because of the OP traits damage against Elites and Specialists

[marble drift]

That I can understand

[charred topaz]

and then while they are frozen and cant do anything, they are killed

[viscid matrix]

but not by us, the supposed Glass Cannons

[charred topaz]

yeah exactly, im a cc bot

[marble drift]

again, that's because you are playing with people you can trust to take that opportunity

[quartz drum]

Nono, jump away with your sword, little one

[thick thorn]

I thought the purgatus staff was the DPS staff, imagine my face when I finally got one at 30

[charred topaz]

im not going to play with people who arent good on difficulty 4/5 lol

[brazen briar]

purgatus is the grief your team and prevent them from seeing anything staff

[quartz drum]

xD

[viscid matrix]

full charged surge staff against unarmed

[scarlet barn]

or crash your teammate if htey have that bug

[charred topaz]

^

[viscid matrix]

75 damage is fucking pitiful

[thick thorn]

Little to no cc and depressing ass damage. Sure I don't have perfect rolls but it felt really bad. Also no left click range attack so fuck me vs ranged.

[viscid matrix]

and yet agaisnt elites it does 400+

[marble drift]

well I play on what difficulty I can find people playing on, since I just want to play the game without lfg, simple as

[thick thorn]

I feel like a child thrown in the dumpster peeking out at others having fun while I let out occasional lightning and an ult here and there.

[radiant void]

Can anyone help with going out with a bang challenge?

[charred topaz]

im not sure why u think BB is good then if you have no team coordination. Do you enjoy having high peril and no warp stacks because a random pug sharpshooter shot the glowy heads he saw? XD

[tough pagoda]

what is the difference between an elite vs special?

[brazen briar]

elites are naturally part of the map

[charred topaz]

elites are in the level, specials spawn with a sound effect

[brazen briar]

specialists are the one that spawn

[scarlet barn]

specials are the event guys, dogs, muties, trappers, etc. Elites are your tough guys, gunners, flamers, bulwarks, reapers, etc

tldr specials annoy you, elites kill you

[wraith tundra]

Anybody wanna group up and get cliffhanger together?

[viscid matrix]

BB against a Crusher on Damnation

[wraith tundra]

BB is honestly shit overall, makes me sad how fast it falls off

[viscid matrix]

mauler

[marble drift]

because I use it mainly on high health targets like ogryn. And as a side note, if you're actively managing warp charges, then you are putting far too much effort into getting barely any reward

[south monolith]

BB doesnt 1 shot Hounds, Mutants, Ragers, Maulers or any ogryn. Mutants have 4k hp but take 3x melee damage. Hounds die in horde clearing staff attacks with light focus, or again take 3x melee damage. Mauler is easy to get to a 1 shot from forcesword to the body. Mine does 1544 on a heavy special attack, add 18% more and its dead. You can get 8% to elites and then with 2 warp charges and 50% peril its dead.

[scarlet barn]

TBF it is stupid that BB is effected by armor

[wraith tundra]

Agreed

[viscid matrix]

hounds have to be 2 BB

[charred topaz]

its no reward...because it needs to be buffed

im not managing it. i dont use BB remember?

[viscid matrix]

hounds have 2000 hp

[viscid matrix]

dreg flamer is 2shot

[scarlet barn]

like why the actual fuck does your helmet save you from your brain getting crushed

[wide quest]

We can all agree bb is shit on higher difficulties and needs a buff.

[viscid matrix]

bomber is 1shot

[marble drift]

yet you implied that I cared, so I assumed you did

[wraith tundra]

Si anybody for cliffhanger farming?

[scarlet barn]

the main thing is, the ranged guys are 1 shot still, the melee guys will get fucked up by your force sword

[thick thorn]

Magneto psychic Helmut bro. Totally the same as the trashcan chaos helmut

[scarlet barn]

force sword does a lot more damage than BB

[south monolith]

It scales better

[scarlet barn]

^

[marble drift]

I found it does the same, in testing

[viscid matrix]

only because they have 400hp at most

still takes a 2 seconds per bb

[scarlet barn]

depends on your roll, sword can scale

[marble drift]

makes sense

[scarlet barn]

BB should be utilized for killing snipers, gunners, flamers, etc. Force sword to kill the melee guys

[south monolith]

First target and the damage bar make a big difference.

[scarlet barn]

also, heavy or light swing?

[viscid matrix]

if you can get a bb off on those before the Vet has shot it, then you are playing with a bad veteran

[south monolith]

Finesse helps head shots

[marble drift]

can't remember, but since you're asking it was probably light

[wise pecan]

man, i just played a match of psyker after having leveled vet and zealot... it feels so bad. void staff is slower than a bolter and does less damage, brain burst kills slower than anyone else on my team. with two ogryns and a zealot, i was completely redundant

[wide quest]

I suggest hopping into a vc, posting on lfg what you want to do along with the link to your vc. People are mostly just talking in this channel.

[south monolith]

BB is filler if they can get it, but voidstrike can also help chip and cc key targets.

[viscid matrix]

heavy force sword special does 928 damage with no damage blessings

light force sword special does 750

the difference is tiny

[hybrid thicket]

the best part of psyker is their lightning staff stun.. das about it

[wide quest]

Damn I almost thought we were gonna have a heavy force sword.

[haughty osprey]

i do good dmg in heresy and with CC

[scarlet barn]

i want a great force sword

or a force dualing sword

[marble drift]

I want force stickin-knife

[wraith tundra]

A force dualing sword would be lit

[charred topaz]

Force sword also costs like 10-15% peril lol

[wide quest]

I too want a force knife.

[quartz drum]

Just dont see the point of taking time with the force sword special when my Zealot friend already has killed the elites with his hammer lol

[scarlet barn]

and can be used while running

[charred topaz]

and takes less time than BB

[viscid matrix]

wtf, heavy attack with force sword special does 3k damage agaisnt a mutie

[scarlet barn]

muties have melee multiplier on them

3x

or whatever it is

[marble drift]

I assume the devs thought that would make up for getting into melee, and instead made it outclass BB

[south monolith]

Its x3

They have 4k hp