zealot-class

[coral tendon]

Hmmmm. I’m using bp currently and fotf, but I could give shroud a whirl

[plush estuary]

was for my solo testing

ability and keystone can change

[glossy nimbus]

oh sweet so like 25% dmg reduction for toughness and health? Awesomeeeee

[plush estuary]

https://youtu.be/Ys9USMZ53CQ

an unlisted video of 2 attempts, 2nd being the furthest one so far

[coral tendon]

[glossy nimbus]

power and strength are the same yeah

Oh I don't think they are

[plush estuary]

they are

they changed power to strength back at crafting update iirc

power is damage/cleave/stagger

[heady rapids]

strength is a bit different from power cause it also gives you dn

[south prism]

another playtest another survey where i told bungie the game sucks

what's fucked up is that it doesn't feel like anything changed between last time and now

[oak ice]

What game?

[south prism]

marathon

i think everyone would have fucked with a successor to destiny set in the marathon universe or whatever

i probably would have

not this half-baked extraction shooter

[tranquil bone]

I'm surprised they are sticking it out. But if they don't have anything else cooking I guess they probably have to.

[south prism]

what's hilarious is that i can't get a single fucking word in on that discord server because the mods can't even set slowmode on any channels lmao

most of the people in there are just begging for keys

[carmine lance]

I didn’t place in the costume contest, sadly

[south prism]

you'd think after getting a $3.7b booster shot they would be able to afford to hire someone who can set up a big discord server properly

[carmine lance]

I was beat out by 2 genuinely good entries, and then a goddamn 6 7 joke

[south prism]

i'm dressing up as columbo tomorrow night

i'm pretty psyched

[oak ice]

All I got is a pumpkin shirt and a skull sweater

If I had more time I would have tried for something more

[south prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nODHyw3lgs

it's peak

[violet dagger]

okay chat im gonna try a 1 shot build, any tips

[heady rapids]

jagerbomb

or does that count as 2 shots

[drowsy steppe]

ay

[heady rapids]

hmm

[violet dagger]

jagerbomb

[drowsy steppe]

just one more thing..

[south prism]

i got the coat that's all i care about

it's a bit nicer than his actual coat but still

[glossy nimbus]

This means 50% cool down on ability right

[south prism]

@normal shell look it's for you

[deft badge]

Yes

[glossy nimbus]

yay

[heady rapids]

it's a 0.5s increase to your 1s base so a 33% effective cooldown reduction

50% cooldown would be achieved by having a +100% cdr

[glossy nimbus]

kay thats 4 seconds off my ability each marked kill I think

Unless I'm dumb with math..(I am)

[heady rapids]

4 bonus seconds yes

to your base 8

for the duration

[lament blaze]

the psyker aura though isn't cool down rate it is true cool down reduction right?

[heady rapids]

i think they nerfed it

or was that vet

[drowsy steppe]

why tf is this particular meme channel

[heady rapids]

oh yeah they did nerf it

[drowsy steppe]

arguing about the crusades 😭

[lament blaze]

not psykinetics

seer's presence

[glossy nimbus]

Okay sorry I think I'm confused. 4 bonus seconds to execution orders duration or my ability like break the line.

[heady rapids]

that one is just flat cdr

[heady rapids]

to your cooldown while the talent is active

[lament blaze]

awesome. didnt know if it was time to rage at obese fish again

avoided that one

[glossy nimbus]

Oh I see.

[glossy nimbus]

I was hoping it let me spam break the line or smth..

society

wait

[void bison]

society is why bread

[drowsy steppe]

the function:

[deft badge]

It does

[glossy nimbus]

I'm dumb

and can't read..

I can also just see it in ainz video lmao.

So in 5 marked kills I could restore my ability

hmmm

[deft badge]

For BtL?

[glossy nimbus]

yea

[deft badge]

In practice I find it's two

[glossy nimbus]

Oh yeah including the fact its still counting down.

[deft badge]

Yeah, I don't run the 5 seconds off if you hit a bunch of elites either tbh

So if you run that it's probably like, one lol

[heady rapids]

no it's a fixed rate

while the talent is active

i probably made you more confused with those explanations lol

[deft badge]

Yeah, you'll just refresh the ability

Or node rather

[glossy nimbus]

Oh it doesn't stack you mean

[heady rapids]

no

[glossy nimbus]

society.

[heady rapids]

it's kinda complicated cause fatshark chose to use seconds

[coral tendon]

Nice vid. Cool to see shroud being used! I can never seem to make
It work

[heady rapids]

so you have to think of it as

you get 1.5 seconds per 1 second

while that talent is active

[glossy nimbus]

Okay per 1 second 1.5 seconds gets added onto?

[heady rapids]

no as innnn

1 second of real life time

[glossy nimbus]

uh huh

[heady rapids]

and the 1.5 seconds is the unit of measurement for your ult charge here

if that makes any sense

[glossy nimbus]

1.5 seconds is the unit of measurement on my ability...I'm lost ngl I can't pretend I understand

[heady rapids]

ok so

your normal cooldown rate is 100%

[runic grotto]

1 second of real time = 1.5 seconds of ability cooldown

[heady rapids]

which is equal to 1 second

which is also 1 second in real time

[glossy nimbus]

mhm

[heady rapids]

if you get malocator

that adds 50%

that becomes 150% of your cooldown rate

which is 1.5 seconds

but it's still per 1 second of real time

[glossy nimbus]

I think I'm starting to get it hold on

[heady rapids]

that's your constant

[heady rapids]

could differentiante by calling those fatshark seconds

[glossy nimbus]

so 0.50 is added to each second of my ability cooldown?

[heady rapids]

yes

[lament blaze]

real cooldown time = (base cooldown) * (1 - cooldown reduction) / (1 + increased cooldown regeneration)

convert percentages to decimal in formula

[heady rapids]

oh wait am i too used to numeric ui

[lament blaze]

oh wait

[glossy nimbus]

Oh shit I. OKay so the cooldown rate is where its going down. 150% cooldown rate oooh I think I get it

[heady rapids]

yeah

[lament blaze]

real cooldown time = ( (base cooldown) * (1 - cooldown reduction%) / (1 + increased cooldown regeneration) ) - flat cooldown reduction

[heady rapids]

you get your ult 1.5 times faster

[drowsy steppe]

💀

[glossy nimbus]

Cooldown rate is one second and malocator adds 0.50 to each second, making it go down even faster.

[heady rapids]

yeah

[glossy nimbus]

Ah I understand now

I'm a master at math

[lament blaze]

You can think of a cooldown not being in seconds but in points

[oak ice]

What is 2+2?

[lament blaze]

and by default, you earn 1 point per second

but you can earn more points

[glossy nimbus]

3

Okay so 8 seconds of my cool down will be made 1.50 s

That's 12 seconds in total

[proud crescent]

I want revolver to get more ammo

[sterile stone]

Not the square block avatar community

💀

[glossy nimbus]

I love my minecraft gf

[drowsy steppe]

thems a special breed

first of all the amount of pedos 😭

[lunar fable]

peak omen spawn

[normal shell]

i am nagatoro

[sterile stone]

Aye I got invited to the playtest to Pioner

I'm saving 1 invite for the broski

So I'm handing out 2 more if anyone wanna cop one

[normal shell]

brown
bratty
teasing
female

[drowsy steppe]

ayy grats!

idk tho its seem like an extraction shooter..

[sterile stone]

It's like fallout meets stalker meets rage

In a mmo

Not rage 2, the first game.

[glossy nimbus]

I think I can get over half my ability back in a single marked kill.

[drowsy steppe]

eeehh it dont seem to impress me ngl

[glossy nimbus]

WELL

in 8 seconds I can get half of it back

over half*

[sterile stone]

Different strokes for different folks

[glossy nimbus]

God fucking imagine if it stacked

[drowsy steppe]

aaye

also I ditched New World after just 2 hours or somethin

[sterile stone]

Probably for the best

[drowsy steppe]

idk how people play WoW for a living or some shit

[sterile stone]

That shit ain't gonna be around next year

[drowsy steppe]

I heard

[sterile stone]

I dead ass told my classmates when I was younger I don't get the appeal of spending months to religiously grind a character out

To hit max level

That shit would bug me

[drowsy steppe]

oh god yess 😭

[glossy nimbus]

hmm

[deft badge]

I knew a dude who could 1-100 a character in 2 days during WoD

[sterile stone]

[glossy nimbus]

@heady rapids It doesn't count towards my blitz, right??

[drowsy steppe]

I be tempted

to go back to the broccoli cut no lie

[heady rapids]

nope

[glossy nimbus]

Aw man

[glossy nimbus]

It would be wild

[modern lintel]

sorry for your disability

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[drowsy steppe]

facts

[deft badge]

The buzzer on the bathroom sink calling to me everytime I walk in there rn

[modern lintel]

its mainly after and during a shower im think wow this takes ages to clean and brush wow this takes ages to dry but besides that im contempt w it

slightly past elbows at this point

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/right-gif-17351350853737039166

[drowsy steppe]

facts

[glossy nimbus]

Why isn't there a Captain named Jenkem yet

[sterile stone]

Gonna get this for my next cut

[glossy nimbus]

You can determine how many hits are needed to kill an enemy right

hmm

oh yeah and then theres considering havoc modifiers.

[heady rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/low-taper-fade-ninja-massive-the-meme-is-still-massive-yeah-no-massive-gif-9995754776955392143

[sterile stone]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3105890/PIONER/

Steam

PIONER

PIONER is an open-world MMO first-person shooter set in a haunting, alternative-reality world where Soviet-era structures lie abandoned on a desolate, post-apocalyptic island. In this immersive environment, the gameplay experience is defined by dynamic PvE and PvP elements, where realism takes priority over traditional health bars or charact…

Release Date

2025

▶ Play video

If anyone wanted to give it a test

The open beta is nov 4th

Stress test is today I guess

[drowsy steppe]

clean hairline

insanely blended taper

[sterile stone]

It takes a skilled practiioner to get the taper just right

Otherwise your shit gonna looke really off

It's just hair

Then suddenly balded scalp

[drowsy steppe]

unwanted highlights

[glossy nimbus]

Whats the default stagger on weapons

[sterile stone]

Would you believe I almost dyed my hair platinum

[glossy nimbus]

does it depend which one it is

[drowsy steppe]

yes

[glossy nimbus]

Oh wait ti does

I literally used the crusher lmao

[drowsy steppe]

like just the streaks?

[sterile stone]

Nah like the whole bushy top part of my hair was gonna be platinum

And it tapers off to black at the bottom

[visual stream]

the staggerinator

[sterile stone]

The problem was, my hair is too damn tough

Bleach didn't work so well

[visual stream]

(with cracked finesse damage, for some reason)

[drowsy steppe]

unfortunate development 😔

the idea is nice tho

[sterile stone]

Ngl was probably for the best

Woulda been cool but I guess fate had other plans

[lunar fable]

@plush estuary

also change of plan, my friend wants me to play darktide with him

[drowsy steppe]

my mom brought me to try straightening my hair once and I promise to never do it again. I look a bit too silly 💀

[sterile stone]

Mans went out looking like Outkast

[drowsy steppe]

OH GOD YE

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/andre3000-outkast-clapping-agree-agreed-gif-8825211

[drowsy steppe]

literally

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ojjcbs/god_i_love_this_community/ @sterile stone

All the while he blasts NBA Youngboy and (off-key) going word for word and on beat with every plasma shot.

[plush estuary]

spin

[drowsy steppe]

band for band on every plasma shot

[lunar fable]

i'm at 2/5 for the old cosmetics assignment

i'm gonna run the rest tomorrow before 3.27 launch

[plush estuary]

okay

[sterile stone]

This is who we fight to protect

[modern lintel]

whats ur new fav monster in repo

i think the green ghost lady is p mfunny

[plush estuary]

the dreg bomber

I've only seen 7/10 though

[modern lintel]

iv seen him ghost lady dog and tricycle and tick

the tick is evil

[plush estuary]

tick, flower, baby, tricycle, bomber, mimic

I think thats all I saw

6/10

[modern lintel]

oh and baloon boy forgot about him

[plush estuary]

ballon boy

[modern lintel]

i beheaded his dumbass w asword

[plush estuary]

the child 2

[modern lintel]

the dog is also evil and will rock your shit instantly

[plush estuary]

ahh

dog

[modern lintel]

had three of us die to the same tick earlier it was shameful

[plush estuary]

its just an opposite duck

[sterile stone]

@drowsy steppe Privet

[lunar fable]

what a small ogryn

[drowsy steppe]

oh nah

why bro got that white man dreadlocks goin on

[sterile stone]

He shlavek

[plush estuary]

famous last moments

puppy

[glossy nimbus]

Okay so thats 10% toughness generated every 10 seconds?

Or is toughness regen and toughness two different things

[split robin]

It's 10% toughness recovered over 5 seconds

[glossy nimbus]

Society.

[swift hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5T8vtThUxc

[lunar fable]

[coral tendon]

So is a BP build for CK essentially diminishing returns on high crit rate?

[mighty root]

Knife?

Crit doesn’t diminish

But if you’re running bp you don’t need riposte on knife

Or a crit blessing on tac axe

[glossy nimbus]

Any blessings yall think should just be in the weapon by default

[mighty root]

Do uncanny precog/flesh tearer @coral tendon

[mystic ether]

Special attack blessings can get merged into something functional imo

Or at least dream

[mighty root]

Power cycler on power sword

[lunar fable]

i tried power falchion again

[glossy nimbus]

LITERALLY MY THOUGHT

[mighty root]

Uh take off relic blade heat

[lunar fable]

it feels so bad

like a worse relic blade

[mystic ether]

P. Sword shall remain in the prison of power cycler.

As is law of the cube.

[carmine lance]

Man I feel tired as hell

Still bummed I didn’t place in that costume contest against even a 6 7 joke

[mystic ether]

Sometimes it's like that.

[carmine lance]

Yeah

Had fun still, but didn’t stick around too long

Indirectly scared 2 muslim girls, that was kinda funny (mainly because I didn’t do anything remotely malicious, I literally just walked past them)

[neat hatch]

[exotic plaza]

Damn bro need to be shot

[carmine lance]

Had a couple people say I had a good costume which was nice

[copper hawk]

Proof normal darktide is easy

(Aurics)

[neat hatch]

yeah its either go to sleep in aurics or enjoy rotten armor cbt in havoc

[exotic plaza]

I don't trust absurdly high tl because leveling up in auric

remind me of the 1k arby post

[neat hatch]

theres 1k arbys out there already?

[carmine lance]

Mostly suffered from the curse of college student indifference

[lament blaze]

Thrust on literally every melee weapon

[exotic plaza]

lmao

[lament blaze]

with balancing

[glossy nimbus]

Yeah

Some of these blessings are really pointless

[void bison]

I do think hold longer to do more damage is a universally good mechanic for weapon feel

[wary lagoon]

Are there knight-like helmets for zealot cosmetics?

[lament blaze]

You're charging it up. If holding the swing doesnt increase damage, you should be allowed to hold it as long as you want

[frosty crescent]

?

[lament blaze]

Best skin on zealot tbh

99% of the zealot skins are complete ass

[frosty crescent]

this is also quite knightly

[lament blaze]

yeah this is more crusader-y than knighty

[frosty crescent]

well

[lament blaze]

but still the best

[frosty crescent]

there are not many options, are there

[lament blaze]

🙂‍↕️

[fleet otter]

does martyrdom increase damage by 10% for each wound gone? im not on the game

[wary lagoon]

Eeeeeeeh, looks more like something a psyker would wear.

[wary lagoon]

The only reason why I forked over money to fatshark

[coral tendon]

Yes, up to 50%.

[wary lagoon]

Dedicated melee class running around with just robes

Maybe shoulder pauldrons and a tiny chest plate

[runic grotto]

Faith protects them

If they die, they didn't believe hard enough

[wary lagoon]

Psykers appear more armored by comparison

[runic grotto]

They don't have faith

So need armor

[fleet otter]

thanks

[gaunt roost]

i need a new zealot weapon to use im tired of evisc

[drowsy steppe]

heavy sword

[fleet otter]

thammer

[north sedge]

Anything other than evisc

[split robin]

Having a zealot with a thammer in the team is awesome. The big bads become a non-issue

[carmine lance]

COMBAT KNIFE

we need more knife truthers

[mighty root]

What’s with people and stealth relic blade

With Marty

Like

I see them so often

[gleaming furnace]

rly ? that sounds so awkward

[mighty root]

And they do nothing and die

2 people in Tanner cord love it apparently

[mighty root]

It is

Nothing mixes together

[dreamy coral]

I use relic blade and pretty decent with it.🤷‍♀️

[mystic ether]

It's shroudfield knife babies running the more socially "acceptable" murder tool

[mighty root]

The thing is knife and ds is better

[mystic ether]

They just don't know how to play with either shroudfield nor martyrdom.

[mystic ether]

I know.

I'm talking about the sentiment.

[gaunt roost]

wht ranged

[mystic ether]

The same can exist there. People get put on to something fun and effective that shroudfield can do, they haven't exactly picked up on better fundamentals habits nor zealot-specific skills, they copy and paste the build, sometimes not even reading how the talents work, they show up and pray that flailing can work just because there's a freeish stealth button, they're running a keystone that actively requires you to have a clue about the first and second points to even reap the benefits of it.

[coral tendon]

[mystic ether]

So they gotta get better at the basics, get better at zealot, get better at shroudfield, and get better with running martyrdom.

The cycle continues.

[carmine lance]

what defines shroudfield knife babies lol

[coral tendon]

Hmmmm. Non meta idea here, but Ever try heavy sword?

[fleet otter]

heavy sword good

makes you feel like a pirate

[mystic ether]

The aforementioned. Mostly just people learning their way through the play style back then before the duelling sword became the easier version of the same playstyle.

It's less of an insult and more of a sort of reality with people that like stealth buttons in tide games. The less experienced are taking on a playstyle that gets harder when the pilot isn't too keen on the basics.

[gaunt roost]

i dont get why people like stealth in these games

wat is the appeal of stealth in a horde shooter game

[mystic ether]

It's just fun

This isn't really a horror game fr

[fleet otter]

sneak past to revive people

[mystic ether]

I mean it has scary things in it but the vibe is more about combating the scary shit than being worried about the scary shit.

[gaunt roost]

typo

[carmine lance]

yeah that's fair

[mystic ether]

And stealth playstyles in tide games often coincide with an investment in high risk, high reward play when having to contend with things outside of stealth.

Darktide just has more immediate sauce that enables that playstyle further with its base mechanics by comparison. Mobility is king for these playstyles and genuinely feels good to play with builds whose primary utility is their mobility.

[copper hawk]

does a skibidi at you

[fleet otter]

crusher and devil claw are other good options

[mystic ether]

Plus, despite the internet and its need for wannabe cool guys, people just like agile dex bastard gameplay.

The problem in tide games is that when you're playing like that, the weapons that often work better with it on paper often have poorer wave clear, block costs like in vt2 with dual daggers, etc.

And positional damage adds to this extra layer of all these tiny things coming into play. You actually need to be able to consciously (or fail forward well enough) and consistently pull off weakspots, backstabs, cycling stealth to maximize its usefulness and maintaining killstreak momentum to better handle more dangerous situations.

So by the time we get into Zealot's existence with this playstyle, you have a creature of a class already oozing toughness damage reduction on dodge, literally the lifeblood of every high mobility finesse melee weapon in the game, a now free to access invincibility passive, and now more than ever multiple avenues into effective branches of a playstyle that currently is the most outrageous it has ever been fr in terms of accessibility and survivability.

But for people very new to the game, they're already on a longer sort of journey because they have to actually develop those skills over time enough for the input needed in stealth builds to shine wild as hell.

[hard nexus]

aka stealth is a crutch unless ur good

[mystic ether]

So deaths are much more common, especially if we account for how people already new and less consciously applying better judgement, positioning, whatever. They'll eventually get it and apply all those skills elsewhere too, but when you're new and doing all this dex bastard nonsense and you finally get hit, they often trio and die.

[hard nexus]

then it’s just a really good crutch

[mystic ether]

Crutch is just corny to me.

[hard nexus]

yeah it is but it’s also true

[mystic ether]

This whole game is nowhere near as tough as people like to make it out to be.

So idk what the point in crutch being thrown around is other than that corny veebo game stuff.

And even then. Shroudfield for a new player is actually far more risky than something like fotf.

[hard nexus]

not really

press F for free 5 seconds of do whatever

[mystic ether]

The same way shade kerillian was a bull buster for newer players. Yes, they can pick up on the utility and purpose of hitting a "no more hit me" button. But then their overall positioning could be so poor from getting rocky and overextending will literally get them stuck.

What are you talking about yk?

Like no, new stealth players that are really green screw themselves all the time with stealth at higher levels. It's the main way they die.

[hard nexus]

yes because once the crutch isnt as strong, they cant stand at all

[mystic ether]

I know that being dishonest is a practice here but that's not how a "crutch" operates if they're fucking themselves.

Voc would be the better example here by miles or ogryn charge

It actively corrects heavy mistakes when used that way by actually removing obstacles to the fumble.

You actually gotta sit in your own shit when you trip yourself using shroudfield hard enough.

And then do whatever you can to make a pocket to get out again. Even learning that strategy alone is lost of beginners.

[hard nexus]

they get themselves up to higher level play, and then once that crutch is kicked out from under them because enemies deal enough damage to properly punish them

sry in game so i cant type all the timwe

[mystic ether]

Because they panic so fast and haven't developed their dodging habits. At that point, shroudfield is honestly more of a hindrance on them until they get better.

[bitter anvil]

@void bison https://youtu.be/uGCaL_Ge6tg?si=4vHnSpLsBs49G3bS

[mystic ether]

I also just don't really fuck with how people be using crutch fr. It's just mad corny and often not even what they're actually speaking power to.

If people want to throw out crutch, then their mod list is going to need to go lmao.

Majority of mods in this game are greenlit and in any other circumstance, so much of this shit might as well be cheating lmao.

[hard nexus]

mods are a crutch?????

what mods???

[gaunt roost]

new class tomorrow ‼️

[mystic ether]

Are you using a tool meant to change your quality of life for the better to suit your needs?

Read your mod list and its functions, then delete them right now and return to the vanilla experience.

Idk what you use but whatever they are is what you know they are

[hard nexus]

a good player with mods will do plenty good without mods???

unless you mean something like aimbot???

[mystic ether]

No. Listen to what I'm talking about

Stop focusing on the ego of a good player. I'm talking about functions of tools.

Return to the subject of what mods do

That's far more the focus.

[delicate shadow]

we do it for free

[plush estuary]

show/change how data is presented?

mods?

[hard nexus]

are you saying that i am arguing because i am personally offended by this?? i am not, i am saying that mods are not a crutch

a player with or without mods will preform approximately the same

some QoL mods will help, yes, but not to the point of running an overpowered build

[hard nexus]

yum!

[mystic ether]

I'm not saying you're offended, I'm saying that mods fit within that role that plenty aren't considering a crutch when there's an entire list of mods dedicated to just giving people information that they don't need to play well, don't need to execute mini games, don't need to fire weapons they can fire or use effectively and it's the most widely practiced thing within the playerbase.

[hard nexus]

there is a significant difference between a simple quality of life mod, compared to something that makes the game easier to play

someone who uses full auto can play without it, just less comfortably

and for less extended periods of time

[mystic ether]

So there are no mods that in isolation or combination don't make the game easier to play?

Are you sure that's the route?

Like 100%

[hard nexus]

mmm condescension,, in my 40k discord,,,,

[bitter anvil]

I’ll probably going to die first match playing with you on Havoc when i named myself a Mercenary.

[copper hawk]

Definitionally that isn't a crutch. A crutch is something you need in order to stand up. A crutch is a tool that those crippled in the legs use to stand upright, otherwise they would fall over. By stating that mods merely provide superfluous information you undermine your argument that mods are a crutch. In this case, to maintain the argument, you would need to contend that a player who took away their mods would be unable to play at the same level as someone with or without the mod.

This is an unarguable position. It's case-by-case and anecdotal to the player.

[mystic ether]

That's not condescension That's a question. Don't assume I'm insulting you because I actually am asking that question. Begging it even.

Because you know for a fact that that's the case.

We can get the list of mods right now

[bitter anvil]

Full auto mod avoid make people get carpenal tunnel

[blazing cosmos]

Just click, ez

[copper hawk]

Shroudfield, I agree, is a "crutch", but is also fundamentally antithetical to the design philosophy of Zealot. This is why I don't use it (the latter, that is).

[mystic ether]

Yeah and they ought to. Fuck risking one's hands for a video game if they recognize that that's why they're doing it.

[hard nexus]

some mods do help, but the extent to which they help is very negligable, a player that builds skill while using mods, will have that skill without using mods.
A player who uses shroudfield exclusively and relies on press F for 5 seconds of do whatever, will not have that skill if they do not use that build

[copper hawk]

Shroudfield allows you to simply drop yourself from the view of enemies (the difficulty) and position yourself without the risk of taking damage. You can get multiple charges of this ability and you can use it to drop aggro entirely to reposition, or you can use it to circumvent entire areas of enemies due to the fundamental nature of stealth.

[bitter anvil]

My friend use taxe formerly his finger got tired clicking it

[lament blaze]

healthbars absolutely without a doubt makes the game easier

[obsidian prairie]

They make it harder to see if you don't limit them

[bitter anvil]

Healthbar give you advantages to see which enemy you gonna prioritize killing

[obsidian prairie]

Mixed hordes just end up as a sea of bars

[mystic ether]

What does fundamentally antithetical even mean here? The class is a melee specialist and melee specialist classes can also go for agility and diry fighting

[copper hawk]

It's beyond a crutch. It's a teleporter. It completely removes the need to walk at all. Epic_Cole (a playtester, one of the best players in the game) has made a video demonstarting him clearing a H40 by simply popping Stealth and running past all the enemies.

[hard nexus]

this i understand, i use healthbars but at the same time i can do just fine without it, a lot of the reason i use it is so i can see how well my weapons are doing

[lament blaze]

not only does it give you that information, but it makes finding elite/specialist targets in visually obscured situations easier

[copper hawk]

This was an H40 Archivum C.. He completed it in 20 minutes.

This is impossible with any other ultimate.

[hard nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJYU-JiETjY

like king of darktide

[lament blaze]

I have aquired high priority targets by healthbar alone while looking at a bunch of fire or tox gas or something

i could not see the enemy, only healthbar

[hard nexus]

dogshit player that makes it thru h40 solely with stealth

[copper hawk]

A fundamental part of how he was able to do this was because of the nature of stealth; you can bypass entire mechanics by simply ulting, and not risk - especially on maps where sequence breaks exist, such as airlocks or drop-downs.

[hard nexus]

to be fair if you knew they were in that direction you could just tag them

[bitter anvil]

Thats what make see as cheating from non mod user

You could ping when hover below healthbar

[copper hawk]

Epic_Cole demonstrated the ability of Shroudfield's unique ability to totally break the gameplay loop of the game.

[hard nexus]

@grok explain why this guy is wrong

[lament blaze]

but i did not

[copper hawk]

Mechanics such as (but not limited to): hordes, armored enemies in said hordes, disablers ...

[lament blaze]

"oh there's a dude over here pow "

[hard nexus]

yeah but there are other options

[bitter anvil]

I set my m3 first click is ping direction, and the double m3 click is enemy world mark

[hard nexus]

difference between pressing T and not

[copper hawk]

I'd go further to say that Shroudfield should be removed from Zealot.

[bitter anvil]

Same as Infiltrator?

[copper hawk]

It should be changed to something more in tune with the design philosophy of the character: a frontline tank that draws aggro.

[hard nexus]

stealth is bad for darktide

https://tenor.com/view/black-templar-sister-of-battle-warhammer-40k-dancing-space-marine-gif-16084334959388278613

[copper hawk]

Infiltrator is good for Veteran. Veteran's abilities all indicate that they should be in the rear line.

[bitter anvil]

I use stealth to get close dump & aggro on team.

[obsidian prairie]

Voc

[hard nexus]

i personally enjoy using stealth to dump all agro onto psyker crutches and letting them die

[lament blaze]

Voc radius is so large you can still be in the back :P

[copper hawk]

Vet's sustainability-based talents all indicate that a player should be in the rear of the combat line, or in the middle ground - regen on headshot, regen on specialist/elite sniper, etc.

[hard nexus]

because they cant melee for shit despite having one of the best melee in the game

(fgs)

[copper hawk]

VoC, as you recall, was very problematic for the game.

It was THE pick in Havoc 40 due to the fact that it allowed you significant benefits in melee.

[lament blaze]

and also voc can be viewed as "wait im not in the back anymore, let me press this button and fix that"

[bitter anvil]

Had smyker in one match long time ago and my friend just literally complimented that smyker

[obsidian prairie]

They should reduce voc to 1 point of golden

Just to see what happens

[copper hawk]

H40 ranged enemies were so healthy, ammo was so little, and these enemies were so numerous that a backline sniper simply wasn't all that useful.

That's why VoC is an exception that proves the rule.

[hard nexus]

honestly a system where golden toughness only absorbs one hit, (or maybe a couple of ranged hits) would be kind of awesome

[bitter anvil]

He said “that psyker build actually not bad” because smyker doing smite everything behavior

[hard nexus]

lmfao

hold m2 m1

peak!

[mystic ether]

No. The combination is dramatically different and fundamentally provides a totally different experience. People take upkeep mods because they're not about to be taking the time to rake their brains over every single buff at every step. They're taking health bar mods to literally have full access to a critical stream of information that scale with the highest difficulties of this game so people change their decisions based on a wider scope of information.

A player using shroudfield has to actually still be capable of playing outside of shroudfield well enough and long enough to cycle it again.

Enemy movements and positioning in higher difficulties will always matter because just because you can tap a disappear button doesn't mean you can escape just being in a shitty spot with your back exposed. You also don't get a toughness steroid thrown into your lap, a minor cc tool and gap closer. You still have to take on consequences but the weapons that people can often take with fotf are often much better at frontal assaults. This is made even easier with safer and powerful weapons with simple avenues to dealing damage.

You can mash f all you want and turn into a ghost, but for a real deal green beginner, they're already having to get over the immediate hump of just fighting before shroudfield ever matters so none of that is at all helping them out.

[copper hawk]

Veteran could really only effectively function if you fundamentally changed their ability to sustain themselves in a long-term engagement. That sustain came from the on-the-moment proc'ing of TNess at the press of a button.

[obsidian prairie]

Just change golden to limited bleedthrough protection instead of extra toughness + bleed prot

[bitter anvil]

He fucking m2 and m1 trivialize the interrogator chasm station when pack of horde come

[obsidian prairie]

Would be a neat experiment

[bitter anvil]

Shocking

[hard nexus]

upkeep mods?

[drowsy steppe]

the nerds are at it today

[lament blaze]

I wish darktide had the doom eternal style "enemies start falling apart as they get lower in HP" to reveal information about their health.

It's so cool in DE

[hard nexus]

also, stealth drops aggro entirely, you simply ignore bad positioning every 15 seconds (cdr)

[mystic ether]

So I want you to know that a playtester with more hours in this game than the average player by miles with addition experience in other games are not at all the same people. They're not even on the same playing field
Literally.

[bitter anvil]

I don’t use shouldfield, i have 4 loadout use FotF and Chorus for 2 each

[hard nexus]

but dogshit players can do this toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJYU-JiETjY

[mystic ether]

People take mods for their UI?

[hard nexus]

then thats not upkeep???

[lament blaze]

No they cannot

[drowsy steppe]

ew AI generated image

video discarded

teehee

[bitter anvil]

I think rarely see scoreboard toxic player in matches

[hard nexus]

watch that video, he almost dies to 2 bruisers in the beginning

[lament blaze]

Or your bar for "dogshit" is in the stratosphere

[hard nexus]

terrible player

[hard nexus]

yah hes dogshit lmfao

[mystic ether]

Yes it is.

[hard nexus]

define "upkeep mod" for me please, i dont understand what your claim is

[bitter anvil]

Shit of tider*

[mystic ether]

There are literally passive mods that help adjust placement in the ui.

I don't think you even get what the function of these things are.

[hard nexus]

TRUE

[mystic ether]

It's the same thing as some whatever important dot mods people have for mmorpgs

Like bar for bar the same concept and intent.

[lament blaze]

Outside of WoW or maybe other MMOs i dont think that terminology is used

[copper hawk]

"Enemy movements and positioning in higher difficulties will always matter because just because you can tap a disappear button doesn't mean you can escape just being in a shitty spot with your back exposed. You also don't get a toughness steroid thrown into your lap, a minor cc tool and gap closer. You still have to take on consequences but the weapons that people can often take with fotf are often much better at frontal assaults. This is made even easier with safer and powerful weapons with simple avenues to dealing damage."

Yes. Tapping that disappear button does exactly as you described it doesn't. It totally drops tracking aggro from you. If you move out of the way you can simply run out of the way without enemies actively following you. It saves you from poor positioning. It lets you completely evade the repercussions of poor positioning, which is a fundamental part of the gameplay loop: poor positioning gets you splattered. I disagree fundamentally with your assessment. You also still have your tness options proc (EWEW, other talents) while not being engaged, so you don't have to worry about being chipped as you press the disappear button. Although yes you don't get a bump to toughness, you also get toughness free of charge. Practically speaking, they are identical.

Epic_Cole proved that "simply pressing F" is the only way a character in this game can beat an H40 solo in under 25 minutes.

[lament blaze]

so we did need that definition

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

[glossy nimbus]

@plush estuary The build is good

[plush estuary]

ye

[hard nexus]

so UI mods?

a UI mod doesnt "dramatically and fundamentally" change the experience, it is still darktide, its not changing the game into a turn based RPG. the core of the game stays the same no matter how many mods you throw on.

a player using shroudfield can pop stealth every 15 or so seconds and just fuck off and do whatever they want with impunity

[bitter anvil]

I probably going die first time on havoc then more death in havoc

[lament blaze]

I mean there is a mod that literally does the hacking minigame for you.

[hard nexus]

are you referring to mods like numericUI? and mods that let you move stuff like healthbars and stamina and dodge count? mods that simply are basic QoL that do not change the game whatsoever other than making some information be in better spots?

[copper hawk]

I think arguing over mods being a crutch vs the ult being a crutch is quibbling. Mods don't really have any bearing on the reality of what Shroudfield is or isn't. It's an entirely different subject. It's a red herring.

[bitter anvil]

What about phages tree?

[mystic ether]

Nope. Enemies roaming will always roam. New players get caught in bad positions trying to peel out of mobs they waltz into all the time. You gotta actually put in the effort to understand the game we're talking about here because I know you see the same things if you're making these claims. A temporary reposition concealment button literally means nothing when a newer player just blows their own cover as often as they do in bad situations. They aren't fast enough to land their needed hits for anything like pious in most cases because they have terrible defense for those difficulties even with safer options like a duelling sword.

[mystic ether]

Legibility plays an invaluable role in how people make their choices.

[hard nexus]

without mods to adjust your UI, the game will be slightly less comfortable than whatever the player is used to, but the game itself does not change, and whatever skill they built will stay, identically

[lament blaze]

There's a helper mod for that too, dont know if its updated. I dont use either of them

[mystic ether]

Changing the scope and scale of information you receive is fucking huge lmao

[bitter anvil]

NumericUI and Markers All in one (the one mod i see xray plasteel and diamantine location)

I like those

I could see stimm color someone holding it

[mighty root]

Yeah dude i love it when so many specials spawn that the sound breaks and i can’t hear trappers or burster or crushers

[lament blaze]

the HUD mods (so we are excluding the "healthbars" mod) don't seem huge to me. It's without a doubt a boost, to argue this is silly, but i dont think it's monumental

[mighty root]

Only mod I can’t live without is danger zone

[hard nexus]

like what? what game decisions would be drastically changed by having a "wider scope" of information? what information do you mean? seeing your allies ammo count? your dodge count? (now base game)

[mystic ether]

Those aren't the same thing so you gotta spin another one.

[lament blaze]

NumericUI has absolutely no freaking business NOT being base game

[hard nexus]

they are the same thing lmfao

[mighty root]

Love seeing explosive outlines

[hard nexus]

spidey sense

[deft badge]

What're we civilly debating now?

[lament blaze]

It is legitimately unacceptable that we dont get NumericUI in base game

[bitter anvil]

People grab ammo wasting it

So i either ping let someone have it

[hard nexus]

the game's audio channels get overloaded, so often you cannot hear a trapper or crusher or a special spawn

[mystic ether]

A mod that fixes an audio problem is fixing a problem with the game itself. These aren't even fundamentally the same thing

[bitter anvil]

FS said spidey sense like help ears disabled player

[hard nexus]

ok so a mod that lets you move your UI around just fixes a problem with the game itself, that being poorly laid out UI.

[mystic ether]

I'm talking about a combination of mods that literally change how people even approach the game in the first place.

[mighty root]

When that happens i literally put myself to a wall just so I can’t be netted because i don’t use spidy sense

[hard nexus]

like what? please give me examples, you are making claims that mods allow a player to entirely change how they play, but you arent providing any mods that actually do this

the only thing is healthbars, but all that is is target priority, and a player will do just fine with or without it

i know because i use it

[mighty root]

Danger zone is awesome if you don’t have it I recommend it btw

[mystic ether]

I already did and you're already goofy for it.

[drowsy steppe]

simply have better hearing

[bitter anvil]

I see someone replace their personal info bar into compacted single like toughness and health are meter charges likes on crossbair

[hard nexus]

ad hominem

[ivory marlin]

Idk why there is like a yellow tint

[mighty root]

I think you’re just baiting methinks

[hard nexus]

cant create a reasonable, coherent argument so you just say "trust" and then call me goofy

lmfao

[copper hawk]

A new player is taught bad habits through shroudfield. You are undetectable to enemies when you're cloaked - and you outrun all enemies with any amount of sprint in your stamina bar. You can totally outrun all enemies with the speed boost provided from some of the Shroudfield nodes while it is active. Epic_Cole demonstrated this when he ran past hordes and past roaming enemies. You can do this in-game. Right now. You can Shroudfield and run ahead of your team and wait for the timer to run out. You will be confronted with the same reality Cole was confronted with. This reality is that by the time these roaming enemies, or enemies that naturally spawn, detected you and engaged with you your Shroudfield was off cooldown. This is fundamentally how he was able to break the loop of the game - he would run past all enemies currently abroad and run past all naturally spawned enemies. Most enemies that naturally spawn that roam are ranged enemies. Ranged enemies will not pursue you at the same speed a horde would. By the time the horde, or the rare melee Elite that was roaming, caught up with him his Shroudfield was back. Provided he was using knife, which let him totally run past most things, the point with aggro dumping still stands.

[hard nexus]

whaaaatever

[mystic ether]

Phage tree mods, book mods, auto fire mods, pickup finder mods.

Stop

Like please hit that refresher course if you want to bring out academic terms

[mighty root]

[obsidian prairie]

Book mods literally do not matter

[mighty root]

Strange behavior

[coral tendon]

I see your cute cat.

[mystic ether]

Nope. Yall just think on the internet's terms too much.

[ivory marlin]

His name is concrete

[bitter anvil]

Markers all in one can let you find ammo or tomes, stimms or materials or medpack, chest and you know what going be like? Overwhelming X-ray vision

[ivory marlin]

Hes currently laying on me

[mighty root]

Strange behavior

[coral tendon]

I wish I couid post photos of my kitties in this chat

[mighty root]

[hard nexus]

book mods do nothing for gameplay, a book doesnt actually change anything, grims are actually a downside

autofire mods are accessibility

pickup finders help, but also walking around takes like 5 seconds

phage tree i understand

you yourself agreed that autofire is accessibility

[glossy nimbus]

soon just talk more

[ivory marlin]

Keep chatting reject! Soon youll get the red name

Reject as in the game ones

Not that you are one

[mighty root]

Me when I need help finding something that only spawns in one place

[coral tendon]

I had it before I think, I just re created my discord. But yes, I will triumph

[hard nexus]

wait a minute

[ivory marlin]

Real

[hard nexus]

i recognize razmirth

i think,,,

was that ur old username?

[mighty root]

Me too

[ivory marlin]

Hey meow

[coral tendon]

Yeah ya do.!

[bitter anvil]

@mystic ether what make you feel pissy about pc have advantages than console player because of modding?

[visual stream]

They seem familiar

[copper hawk]

Meow's arguments should not be discarded. She's one of the best players in Darktide - she's played for about as long as I have (i've played since the closed beta) and was able to accomplish dropping 1.3 million damage in a H40 match with the old Eviscerator 3. This was old H40 as well - like old old, like the moldy old variety. You shouldn't discard her arguments because she's being "goofy" - she is on the same level as Epic_Cole in terms of player skill or Ainz.

[ivory marlin]

Wait are you the guy with that swag ass cat

[coral tendon]

It was Razmirth. Lol.

[visual stream]

the way you got red role as soon as someone's recognized you feels cinematic

[hard nexus]

i shmee

im so smart,,,

[ivory marlin]

Or am i thinking of someone else whos name ends in ez

Laz

I think?

[glossy nimbus]

I'm more skilled than ainz, fyre and epic cole combined.

and chocob

[coral tendon]

lol. Yeah, it’s me, I just had to delete my other discord for too many reasons to explain.

[copper hawk]

I think we've lost the forest for the trees with this mod argument...

[bitter anvil]

I think i was in darktide since reblessing and weapon modify underdeveloped

[ivory marlin]

Chat concrete wont get up and his claw is stabbing into me

[hard nexus]

yeah but im having fun

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-joltik-spider-out-the-door-gif-8249704754465931908

also hi ainz

[copper hawk]

The mod argument has no bearing on whether or not Shroudfield is a crutch or not.

[bitter anvil]

And i got beta helmet

[hard nexus]

i know ur here

[copper hawk]

This is called quibbling.

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-lion-monkey-angry-wisdom-gif-15744115571249218128

[mighty root]

meow actually is actually good so she get to have a opinion (it’s good btw)

[visual stream]

JOLTIK

[mighty root]

[copper hawk]

This is that uh

[ivory marlin]

Meow didn’t say hi back

[copper hawk]

"I like pancakes. Oh so you hate waffles? What? No I don't - that's an entirely different statement!" sorta situation.

[ivory marlin]

Chat im chopped

[copper hawk]

You're... gnarped

[hard nexus]

I DIDNT SEE IT IM SOOORRYRYYYYYY

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/bobo-borenii-cat-look-talk-gif-17908923035199712314

[coral tendon]

NOOOOOW I can post.

[hard nexus]

HIIII

[ivory marlin]

Woah

Pretty

[ivory marlin]

Hi meow lmao

[coral tendon]

And she knows it. Trust me.

[drowsy steppe]

its me

[mighty root]

@mystic ether dude I’m using my cheat mods look at this look at how good I am

[drowsy steppe]

Im the best darktide player

[copper hawk]

ok pls do not flame the

[ivory marlin]

Real

[copper hawk]

m

[drowsy steppe]

I just shitpost most of the time teehee

[obsidian prairie]

Thing #2

[copper hawk]

they will hit us w the ring leader

[hard nexus]

meow meow meow

[copper hawk]

not cool bwo

[mystic ether]

That by definition is literally affecting gameplay. You're literally using a tool that is pinging you to something and even giving a literal greyed out pick up. Grimoires taking health doesn't have any relevance here because the person taking the pickup finder is taking the pickup finder
..to find pickups.

There's even the servitor skull auspex mod and whatever that logo minigame mod is too.

[copper hawk]

woof woooof

[ivory marlin]

I just have this short fuck

Hes so cute tho i love him

[bitter anvil]

But hey, theres Lantern mod or servo skull companion with voices marking and kill confirm and some flashlight too.

[hard nexus]

but the “affect” on gameplay is NOTHING???

[mystic ether]

I honestly don't care about what you got to say fr because you already positioned yourself as a bum trying to get reactions out of me. Fight with someone outside or something lol.

[copper hawk]

Some mods are crutches yes ... this can be true or false alongside the original point...

Mods, once again, have no bearing on the original argument...

[hard nexus]

heheh you are the bum simply trying to bait me, and i am on my noble horse and turning my nose upon ye, fool.

[copper hawk]

We've totally lost the plot

[mighty root]

Unbothered, moisturized, happy, in your walls, i have oil, focused, excited

[mystic ether]

The effect on gameplay is sleuthing an item for the player. How is that not a change in gameplay?

[ivory marlin]

Chat my mod that turns marrow into a woman is actually a difficulty increase cuz i have some diverted bloodflow

[glossy nimbus]

Why do you have oil in the wall

[hard nexus]

because the item does NOTHINGGGGG

[drowsy steppe]

I mean I think of anyone who uses scoreboard as someone to avoid playing with

[lunar fable]

[ivory marlin]

I wish darcy was here

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-aww-cute-love-so-cute-cat-gif-292935567208914472

[mighty root]

Cuz ur a lolcow

[hard nexus]

no,,, but it would be funny

[bitter anvil]

I get it give player information and being tactically does not giving them element of surprise. But we still gonna die to enemies anyway

[mystic ether]

It doesn't need to do anything for a mod to be made to.find them.

[hard nexus]

LMAO

[mystic ether]

Like literally.

[ivory marlin]

I miss the good old days of pointless arguments

[hard nexus]

true

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[hard nexus]

para would have a field day

[mystic ether]

You a pussy behind a screen so it's really whatever

[ivory marlin]

Average darcy encounter

[mighty root]

Ahhh you mad

[obsidian prairie]

Thing #1

[ivory marlin]

Frye look at this thing

[carmine lance]

I think you are being a bit of an asshole

[bitter anvil]

@mighty root bro dont get too baity

[drowsy steppe]

simply do not interact with fyre

[hard nexus]

holy bait success

[ivory marlin]

It didn’t send nvm

[bitter anvil]

Warden Going be presence anytime

[ivory marlin]

Oh there we go

[mighty root]

I’m sorry I shouldn’t be evil

[drowsy steppe]

dorncord graduates are the weirdest 💀

[carmine lance]

dorncord?

[mystic ether]

Anyway. Back to you having a hard time with defining concepts just because that's par for the course.

[bitter anvil]

Theres dorncord?

[drowsy steppe]

dont worry about it

[ivory marlin]

Big fan of this thing

[obsidian prairie]

Deep lore

[mystic ether]

And then cosigning with a troll on some lame shir

[obsidian prairie]

She's fat stupid and helpless

[mighty root]

My fault og

[ivory marlin]

Me too

[mystic ether]

Already handled at this rate.

[carmine lance]

consulting the ancient archives and lost tomes...

[bitter anvil]

Let me guess you blocked him

[ivory marlin]

Ignore button is so cool

[mystic ether]

Not hard. Internet button.

[drowsy steppe]

ay bruv

[uneven galleon]

wait was this all about mods in dt

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/busterjam-tallglass-stab-buster-wizard-gif-3781376372627384752

[drowsy steppe]

I miss your presence

[glossy nimbus]

I get into fights with people on the internet when I'm bored.

[bitter anvil]

Yes

[mystic ether]

If they take it any further then that's some interesting weirdo shit

[copper hawk]

skibidi toilet

[drowsy steppe]

shits too nerdy in here rn

[carmine lance]

anyways it's funny to me that people are so fucking determined to say that shroudfield is a crutch lol

[bitter anvil]

Someone didnt like modding

[ivory marlin]

Real

[carmine lance]

trust me, you can fuck up with shroud

[obsidian prairie]

We should explain dorn to moff

[hard nexus]

ad hominem

[ivory marlin]

Twitter is good for nsfw art and pointless arguments

[uneven galleon]

chronic internet activity syndrom ig

[uneven galleon]

let people play how they play who gives a rat's ass

[mystic ether]

So can you actually stop running to an empty one liner or not?

[sterile stone]

You shoulda joined the VC, dude were playing arc and I was trying out that Russian mmo

[glossy nimbus]

Can someone tell me who exactly is the soft femboy fur among the primarchs

leman russ yeah?

[deft badge]

So like is Signalis still good if I'm not a lesbian

[sterile stone]

I won' lie, game is dry as hell.

[bitter anvil]

Is more like have information and advantages than element of surprise

That make upset

[ivory marlin]

I think mr blueberry man would wear a collar and cat ears personally

[mystic ether]

I know you don't know how an ad hominem is applied cuz you just throwing that shit out there.

[drowsy steppe]

I cant I was work 😭

[mighty root]

I only like it for speed running

[copper hawk]

skibidi dom dom dom yes yes

[bitter anvil]

Lot of shit like strawman arguement

I hate that

[sterile stone]

I keep forgetting you're not in the US

[carmine lance]

https://tenor.com/view/rogal-dorn-40k-tts-warhammer40k-this-is-true-gif-27259102

[sterile stone]

Mans live in a different dimension

[hard nexus]

it’s just fun because you can’t give me an argument that’s actually intelligent so you resort to ad hominem

[ivory marlin]

Concrete wont move his literal ass out of my face

[mighty root]

Me thinks we should move on from the argument and stop engaging wif bait

[ivory marlin]

MOVE BRUH

[drowsy steppe]

aye

[glossy nimbus]

Crusher is shit

[obsidian prairie]

Throw him

Embed him into a foundation

[mystic ether]

There's a difference between intelligible arguments and then needing to see someone as inept to make it easier to ignore what they're saying.

If it's disrespect, start there bitch.

[obsidian prairie]

I will end you myself

[mighty root]

Nah

It’s good

[carmine lance]

lobby with smyker and inferno staff...

immediately left

[ivory marlin]

I tried to see if he was a fan of being lightly tossed earlier today

[carmine lance]

im not dealing with that

[mighty root]

Sorry that’s me

[bitter anvil]

Ad hominem, straw man, whatever college term is. I will lose arguement anyway

[ivory marlin]

He was NOT a fan

[glossy nimbus]

Nah its bad

Anyway uh

[carmine lance]

you are a horrible person and I hope you suffer

[glossy nimbus]

bf is in japan ama

[ivory marlin]

The sound he made hurt my soul

[mighty root]

How are you building it?

[drowsy steppe]

ok you know what

<@&735928989146939404> theyre fighting again

[obsidian prairie]

No

[mighty root]

It’s cuz I’m evil asf

[obsidian prairie]

Aww I mistimed it

[bitter anvil]

Youre in trouble now

[mystic ether]

Wilful misinterpreting my words only started being interesting to you when that slag started that nonsense with me. Fuck out my face with that

[glossy nimbus]

Mods I would like to announce I am joking.

[fleet otter]

which primarch would you crack?

[carmine lance]

define crack

[hard nexus]

calling me a bitch? OH MOOOOODDDSSSSS

[bitter anvil]

Let it go, dont get too heated

[fleet otter]

freaky stuff

[mighty root]

Horus

[uneven galleon]

Crack as in freaky?

[hard nexus]

LMFOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOO

[fleet otter]

freaky.

[hard nexus]

HAHAHAHAHHAAAA

[ivory marlin]

Vulkan

[mystic ether]

People can just not default to coward keyboard shit honestly.

[ivory marlin]

After care would go crazy

[mighty root]

It’s best not to get freaky you may be banned

[obsidian prairie]

Zealot chat is soooooo back right now

[carmine lance]

I would not do freaky stuff but I would slap horus's big fat bald head

[uneven galleon]

fulgrim

[obsidian prairie]

Pointless ragebait argument, cats, and freakposting

[glossy nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-eagle-gif-418167729675118656

[bitter anvil]

Tell you what my telegram friend hate discordian and he will call them r slur of intelligence

[obsidian prairie]

We have returned to the golden age

[fleet otter]

wouldn’t his skin be super rough? im not a pro at primarch knowledge

[mystic ether]

Whenever you ready to actually run shit back for yourself go crazy. We both definitely know you one of them meek shriek mfkers in public.

[sterile stone]

@drowsy steppe The fuck did I miss

[mighty root]

Imagine smacking hours bald head

[hard nexus]

are you british,,, you know there are camps that can fix that,,,,

[carmine lance]

the golden age makes me sad

[mighty root]

Meow evil asf tonight

[fleet otter]

its a question that fits the zealot mindset

[mighty root]

[bitter anvil]

Check here @mystic ether

[drowsy steppe]

I wish I can explain other than this whole thing started because a difference in answer to 'what is a crutch and is shroudfield a crutch'

[ivory marlin]

Truly a dark tide is upon us

Wait

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[obsidian prairie]

Zealot chat has returned to its most primordial state
Shitflinging interrupted briefly by cats and freak shit

[lament blaze]

Calling things in vidya a "crutch" is lazy, and under any reasonable definition, it includes so much.

usually it's called a crutch because the person laying the accusation is saying

"Item/Ability X permits the player to not interact with mechanic Y"

But this applies to so much in basically every game that it quickly dissolves in meaning. Most games provide the player with means to bypass certain mechanics. It's part of the experience of playing video games most of the time

[carmine lance]

stupid fucking rage baiter won't be nice to reasonable people

[mystic ether]

Man what?

[sterile stone]

It's always falling back to shroudfield

[mighty root]

Sorry was me

[bitter anvil]

Is just generally discord people are stupid.

[mighty root]

I’m evil

Evil and wicked

[drowsy steppe]

hey fuck you pizza

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605

[bitter anvil]

@mystic ether know yourself dont take too serious on discordian, whenever you make arguement they going deflect whatever the fuck they can

[lament blaze]

Like I could call the thammer a crutch because it deletes bosses but.. really?

[drowsy steppe]

they dont know how much I abuse that sh

[mighty root]

Stealth soooooo baaaaaad

[plush estuary]

burger died to baby

[copper hawk]

Killed By: Child

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-prowler-meme-prowler-stare-meme-gif-6137058116832105601

[mighty root]

Is there a shrine to make buger whole again

[hard nexus]

are you offering to fight????

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-trolled-trollge-troll-success-gif-22597471

[ivory marlin]

Last thing the child sees on my 5th loop

[hard nexus]

dude you know i’m a black belt right

[mystic ether]

Or the culture of the discord could literally just not endorse or throw their hands up when people with no spines remember that a screen can be a barrier to being a prick?

[drowsy steppe]

I feel like

fundamentally yall think

using a crutch whatever

[ivory marlin]

This guy is just getting ganked by bait rn wth

[mystic ether]

Yall can just like, actually decide not to fuck with that shit fr.

[drowsy steppe]

makes you a bad person or something

[ivory marlin]

Ref this aint fair

[bitter anvil]

Bro is the fucking internet theres always prick dick with it

[hard nexus]

i’m just having fun at this point i don’t care about the discussion anymore

[drowsy steppe]

like

being a bad player doesnt make you a bad person

[bitter anvil]

@mystic ether youre in public discord if you start the argument they will clown it up

[mystic ether]

Stop living by the internet's "rules" then?

[sterile stone]

So this just doesn't even wanna play

[bitter anvil]

Well do you wanna stay here or leave it out (aka risking a ban)

[sterile stone]

Fake Ainz gameplay

[mystic ether]

I wasn't even up nobody ass until they started playing games in my face then trying to pull some weirdo troll shit.

[ivory marlin]

So, very clearly i know what happened

You werent acrid

[bitter anvil]

Tell me who start it

[ivory marlin]

Hope this helps 👍

[plush estuary]

weird. I have that happen to me with cole's video

I cant watch any of his

[mystic ether]

You literally got the problem right there and you want to check the person literally getting played with? Huh?

[mighty root]

Should’ve had more tougher times

[sterile stone]

I thought my internet was fucking up for a second, but then I saw Jelly's video fine.

[lament blaze]

Well a very large portion of this server (or people active in the text chats) want really badly to delicately balance their humblebrag

[bitter anvil]

I dont wanna see you get banned, i seen you here and we talked once

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/buster-jam-baby-happy-rattle-microgame-gif-3717647018067494000

[hard nexus]

i was trying to have a genuine conversation in the beginning, but you’re the one who called me a bitch and a slag

sigh can’t handle a woman being smarter than you

[mighty root]

I’m in this gif and I love it

[ivory marlin]

Erm buddy thats me

Not you

[bitter anvil]

@mystic ether dont take that ego stroker provoking your feeling

[mystic ether]

You got bigger problems if someone getting played with directly is getting banned

[sterile stone]

It's a pve game tho, and I know not a single soul here isnt getting paid to be sweating over damn near anything really....

[drowsy steppe]

ego death

its so nice being a

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/solunary-neveah-discordia-discordian-discord-gif-27558502

[drowsy steppe]

an actual humble person

[mighty root]

Meow I hate to admit this but I’m actually a fackcel

[hard nexus]

i’m so fucking humble dude you have no idea

yall should be WORSHIPPING my humbleness

[mystic ether]

I'm not having no nasty shit aimed at me. Yall gotta stop being so chill with that shit that's why worse mfkers get to have a field day in this bitch

[drowsy steppe]

yall aint read

[mighty root]

I can’t read

[drowsy steppe]

yall aint ready to hear my great ideas

[bitter anvil]

I get it, they are clown anyway. Bro so many people become disassociate reality they wearing mask say what they want

[lament blaze]

"Now the man Moses was very humble, more so than anyone else on the face of the earth."
~Moses (allegedly)

[ivory marlin]

Yall i got this really grand idea

[mystic ether]

I get that. I don't have to accept that nowhere is my point.

[hard nexus]

MEEEEE

[copper hawk]

glass squealing

[ivory marlin]

Nvm forgor

[plush estuary]

go for it

I read

playing RoR while reading this is fun

[obsidian prairie]

"I'm at least a hundred million times more humble than thou art" -Weird Al

[ivory marlin]

Ainz you are like this big

[plush estuary]

whuh?

[sterile stone]

I think he had a brain fart

[drowsy steppe]

delete ogryn ez

[plush estuary]

ez

[ivory marlin]

No its this really cool bit i have

[copper hawk]

proof risk of rain is so boring discord drama is more entertaining

[hard nexus]

but nobody was baiting you until you called me a bitch?????

[drowsy steppe]

but srsly tho I cannot be trusted with balancing discussion

[ivory marlin]

I say people are this big and dont give any metric

[bitter anvil]

i beg for jade emperor just let it go on internet when some shithead throw words at you thinking them smarter than you. You did said they just keyboard behind screen. Keep it that but dont get yourself killed

[ivory marlin]

Its surprisingly good at rage baiting

Try it out on your friends and family chat

[plush estuary]

proof of DN

[drowsy steppe]

deez nutz..

[lament blaze]

Lettuce just calm down, and agree to only play with shroudfield

[ivory marlin]

Get this spreading like wildfire

[mighty root]

@hard nexus

[drowsy steppe]

I love nutz

[mighty root]

I need some cashews

[ivory marlin]

Lettuce all chili out and dill with it

[hard nexus]

peak slop

[copper hawk]

ZILENCE grublord

u may have corrupted meow

[sterile stone]

Bad choice

[copper hawk]

but not me..

flickz u away like ab ooger

[mighty root]

Zealot chat cashew farm

[sterile stone]

We only play battlefield in this house

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/bobo-borenii-cat-look-talk-gif-17908923035199712314

[bitter anvil]

@mystic ether forget those conversations, never get too vendettas for it.

[lament blaze]

My favorite shroudfield tech is having some random use it to just run across the map, wait at the next checkpoint room, and actually get jumped and die, get made fun of in comms and then DC

[bitter anvil]

Is not worth a dime to talk these

[mystic ether]

"Get myself killed"?

My man these mfkers probably can't even handle direct volume snd eye contact so that's not what I'm too deeply worried about.

I'm talking about folks just enabling this shit atp.

[lament blaze]

It is superb

[ivory marlin]

Chat do i kill this guy

[mighty root]

I never asked is the puppy thing some kind of advanced bait

[sterile stone]

Pub player musical chairs is fucking magical

[mighty root]

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/bobo-borenii-cat-look-talk-gif-17908923035199712314

[sterile stone]

Had 5 people quit a single auric maelstrom before.

[mighty root]

Oh yeah

[drowsy steppe]

NBA Youngboy off key word for word

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-happy-jerk-stroke-steam-happy-jerk-steam-happy-stroke-gif-11612131169571006425

[hard nexus]

are you making fun of autistic people? dude not fucking cool

[bitter anvil]

I meant metaphorically not get yourself banned from them when you use word to call out from provoking feeling

[ivory marlin]

Dont zerk the steam happy dude not cool

[lament blaze]

The only time ive gotten toxic in comms is when someone did that, and i was just making fun of him like "daaaaaaaaamnnnn boy you're fuckken dogshit thats craaazy"

[mighty root]

He’s enjoying a good rub

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/sturdy-gif-24515623

[ivory marlin]

Blocked and reported

[drowsy steppe]

sturdy af

[ivory marlin]

Smh

[bitter anvil]

Crazy bait

[mighty root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1098077239788195960/1116571951671025664/1A7E1964-0EF8-4F84-BE8A-AF7D24794EC3.gif

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/busterjam-tallglass-stab-buster-wizard-gif-3781376372627384752

Me when i get you frye