#zealot-class

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sterile stone
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Found out we have 3 coffee shops all in walking distance

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Steak joints out the ass aswell

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But it's mostly suit and tie places

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And I don't care for suit and tie

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Best thing tho is my place has a balcony

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And if I want to

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I can just brew a cup of coffee

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And go out to my balcony and watch the lake

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Or the shopping center

violet hornet
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Chicken and booze in walking distance? Sign me the fuck up

sterile stone
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For sure, that's what I enjoy about living in the city

acoustic dune
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19 death

sterile stone
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The nightlife is always fun for sure.

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Granted that shit is expensive

violet hornet
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True

sterile stone
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But I mean I'm not going clubbing or anything every night so.

violet hornet
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Pregame, walk out and have two beers at the bar, hit the greasy spoon on the walk home was my go to

acoustic dune
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for the morning life

acoustic dune
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drink every start of the morning

sterile stone
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Not much of a drinker.

acoustic dune
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bah

sterile stone
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Coffee is probably the main thing I indulge in besides tea and water

acoustic dune
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tried making irsh coffee once

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3 time

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not that good

sterile stone
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With Bailey's?

acoustic dune
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bailey?

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i just get what ever i can

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plus i like to drink neat

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not much up for mix drink

violet hornet
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Here's how shitty my ac condenser was by the end

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It stopped working the correct way around so I just flipped it over and kept using it

acoustic dune
violet hornet
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Orkish ac unit

frosty herald
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also

heady rapids
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thought this was a trash can for a second

violet hornet
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Understandable tbh lol

acoustic dune
sterile stone
sterile stone
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Ohhhh btw

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I forgot to mention right

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Downstairs of my place

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Cause oddly enough the 2nd floor is technically the 1st floor

glossy nimbus
sterile stone
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On the ground floor we have a little hang out area with two grills

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So we plan on buying a tomahawk at some point and grilling one up in celebration

full nebula
acoustic dune
median steeple
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needs a bigger gut

violet hornet
full nebula
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Adventure time, come grab your discord mods

signal spoke
violet hornet
sterile stone
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Made a promise we'd try to branch out on things

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New place, new area, new mindset type beat

signal spoke
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pacifist divers

calm charm
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Devil's claw build?

violet hornet
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Place it gently on the ground and pick up a dueling sword is typically what I see recommended these days

plush estuary
mystic ether
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Genuine question but what have people been using with the assault chainsword? Been hearing positive things about it in a way i never expected. Are people utilizing bloodletter with it?

plush estuary
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I love getting punished for playing next to my team

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: (

signal spoke
plush estuary
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teammate back dodged behind me

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dragging his attack ontop me

signal spoke
plush estuary
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and you cant dodge teammate attacks

signal spoke
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I legit had that happen to me earlier but my teammate was the one who ate the overhead

mystic ether
# calm charm Devil's claw build?

Last I used it was with blazing piety before the tree changes. It was good enough up to aurics so if nothing changed in a way to jeopardize that, generally synergistic BP builds taking fotf and other core classics might be enough.

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Forgot the mark and perks/blessings I used unfortunately. Not at my pc.

signal spoke
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I was hitting a crusher about to overhead, i tried to stagger with punch but not enough and the crusher nearly hit me, dodge and it hit my teammate on my back lmao

sullen forge
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Chat I need an opinion, I got a shit ton of clay and can easily make a pure brick building, Do I build in the Ravine off the sides of it or above it seeing that is basically where I get my materials from

mighty root
mighty root
calm charm
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Nvm i cannot just not hate this weapon

mighty root
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Dcalw is flak maniacs

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Wrath shred

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Dump mobility

frosty herald
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sorry

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that was uncalled for

mighty root
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You can change stam on crit for something else

violet hornet
signal spoke
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Bro discovering what a telltale like game is

sullen forge
signal spoke
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Must be him who posts it all the time in alt accounts

jagged cradle
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@plush estuary can i see your tree for melee psyker i need a better reference

sullen forge
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Honestly just some of the most miserable mfers are on 4chan

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im just nooticing a pattern here

jagged cradle
jagged cradle
sullen forge
jagged cradle
sullen forge
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@frosty herald Probably should build in here cause there's a shit ton of room to work with

signal spoke
scenic drift
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is there a mod that lets you take damage in meatgrinder for martyr testing?

plush estuary
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creature spawner

acoustic dune
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i think i am imminune to alchohol

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fuck

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ey birdly

visual stream
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mods, pull up knify's BAC

acoustic dune
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BAC?

visual stream
visual stream
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blood alcohol concentration

acoustic dune
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shit has barely scratch the surface

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i wish i still had whisky

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i need my 45

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at the least

visual stream
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Wild Turkey is a fun whiskey

acoustic dune
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is this true?

violet hornet
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She wild on my turkey

visual stream
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I liked it and it's decently strong

frosty herald
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turning your hammer into a walking warcrime

acoustic dune
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i like suits

visual stream
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she wild on my turkey til I DUI

carmine lance
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I am back

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I feel tired as shit

acoustic dune
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hi back

carmine lance
carmine lance
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I need to play knife zealot again, I am very unhappy with my performance earlier because I know I’m capable of better

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Made very stupid mistakes

acoustic dune
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maybe next time

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imma hit the town

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and get another bottle

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also a shower

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oh ey i have a bottle of glenfiddich

sterile stone
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@gray ice

violet hornet
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Where ya even get wooden handled pans these days

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Not that it's an issue if you have electric or induction

sterile stone
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Non-stick

violet hornet
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Good deal for pans for sure

void bison
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what would be a great deal for pans

violet hornet
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I avoid anything nonstick like the plague these days because I don't trust the teflon family

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Erm free pans I guess lol

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Got a couple shitter pans when I first moved out for like $2-5 each from the thrift store

void bison
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do you think its happened yet?

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the greatest pan deal in history

violet hornet
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Lasted me until I had enough to get a cast iron pan and stainless steel set

violet hornet
glossy nimbus
heady rapids
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the poopshitter

mystic ether
full nebula
mystic ether
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Cast iron still goes crazy. Haven't had access to one in a minute and I've had people commit heinous acts against cast iron and cheap woks that could inspire action from an international judiciary committee.

acoustic dune
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Chat...
What if I never feel love bc of the restriction on meself

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My self hate is stronger then I

mystic ether
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Seeing an alright economy wok look like the back of a seasoned ps1 disc is fucked up.

acoustic dune
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And idk how to deal with it

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-3-

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I am so gonna die a wizard

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At the age of 30

signal spoke
acoustic dune
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Glenfield taste like ass

acoustic dune
mystic ether
# acoustic dune My self hate is stronger then I

You'll have to go through whatever pain of unpacking and unlearning what's promoting that. It'll always be better with sincere support but patience is going to play a massive role depending on why it's as deep as you claim it to be.

Self-loathing sabotages romantic relationships just as much as it sabotages platonic, familial, whatever types of relationships.

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The longer you take with facing that, the worse it'll get and louder it'll express itself in your life. Using the self-awareness you have to even recognize that there's a problem is a powerful start that shouldn't be taken lightly. Embrace that desire to want to be in a place where you can let that kind of love in so when it's right there in front of you and many other things are better, it can enrich you further.

acoustic dune
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I will never truly leave that thought

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How much I mask it

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It will always be there as a pure doubt

mighty root
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Ainz never sent me his tac axe build on zealot

acoustic dune
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I deserve nothing but death
However I only stay so I can pay back

mighty root
sterile stone
frosty herald
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chat im genuinely evil

acoustic dune
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I will never get out of what's arleady taken advantage of i

frosty herald
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ive gamed so hard i dont need focus and use the keeping sway to increase hammer level

mystic ether
# acoustic dune I will never truly leave that thought

People are capable of great change, even if they themselves are so certain that change from within isn't achievable.

A fatalistic perspective like that actively denies the fact that because you're a human being, the constant state of change you're always living with can't be applied there as well. It's a self-perpetuating myth that can be reinforced externally by your background, conditions, etc.

That especially means that it's worth acknowledging that you know yourself enough to know that you changed to get to where you are now to even question whether or not it's possible.

median steeple
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frosty herald
mystic ether
# mystic ether People are capable of great change, even if they themselves are so certain that ...

The main thing here is a combination of having the support of people who care about you enough to help you with that, while also being real enough to challenge what can be keeping you locked in that mindset. On top of that, you yourself have to be willing to take on that struggle and to keep remembering why you actually care enough about yourself to want better without continuing the cycles that harmed you too.

The longer you deny yourself that chance, the easier it'll be to settle into artifical complacency. The world will only have to do so much because you'd be doing it to yourself that much harder by design.

acoustic dune
heady rapids
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cant answer rn playing dogshit

gray ice
frosty herald
calm charm
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I need me some good knife build, the one im running is annoying the shit outta me

sterile stone
glossy nimbus
mighty root
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@calm charm piety or ij

mystic ether
# acoustic dune I need them not know I feel pain I must not worry my family They sunk too much ...

The same cycles that harmed you can end up living through you the longer you don't allow yourself to face it.

You're already describing things that point to that self-awareness to know that something, whatever you know it to be, caused great sustained harm that pulled you into a place where you're far more comfortable with throwing yourself away while also wishing something was different then.

Surely so, the past cannot be changed. However, understanding that past in as full a view as possible makes informs the present that wants to promote a better future.

In cases like this, telling yourself that it can't change disempowers you the same way what was done to you disempowered you to do better by yourself. You're adult, a lot has changed within you. Circumstances may be more daunting but if there's any chance to crawl out of whatever hole you're in is just step closer to finally being able to walk.

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Drink some water.

acoustic dune
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I am a walking corpse fixated to study

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I have no life outside of my study

acoustic dune
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But I do know if I stand true to this thought

mystic ether
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Doing it solo is extremely difficult.

acoustic dune
mystic ether
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I wing it, see what sticks, roll dice. Rinse repeat.

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It's not that easy at all but

acoustic dune
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I wish I was hammered in metaphorical senae

violet hornet
acoustic dune
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The Glenfield taste like a cig

void bison
mighty root
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@void bison is that you

violet hornet
violet hornet
mystic ether
# acoustic dune Be not scare of failure i guess

On the contrary, that shit terrifies me when the stakes matter enough and reach other people besides me.

I'd say understanding that failure is part of the soup is how I think about it. I can learn my way around it, sometimes there's plenty that's out of my hands. So I just use that to fuel the rest of the drive, even when it's miserable.

Sometimes, the only way is through.

acoustic dune
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My drunk self is less worried while the other is too worried

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There's no inbetween

mystic ether
violet hornet
acoustic dune
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Not as such

placid fiber
acoustic dune
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The liquor just ain't strong enough fornme

mighty root
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Water ice salt aye

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Water ice salt aye

acoustic dune
placid fiber
calm charm
acoustic dune
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But I can't have both without losing a liver

placid fiber
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fyre is back, how long has fyre been back? >.>

acoustic dune
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I need absinte or some charteuse

violet hornet
violet hornet
acoustic dune
violet hornet
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Usually once I'm toasted idgaf what keeps me there

acoustic dune
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Undiluted absinte is 70% achohol

mystic ether
# acoustic dune The liquor just ain't strong enough fornme

Well, depending on what you study, I'm sure you're well aware of what comes next after the slurred speech, slower thoughts, erosion of inhibitions, etc can do to you in the headspace you're in.

Just have a cup with the h2O and ice somewhere you won't knock down and reach for it from time to time.

mighty root
acoustic dune
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If my mind is not on reflex

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For I study art

mighty root
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I’ve come to haunt you gale

sterile stone
acoustic dune
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Specialising in anatomy

calm charm
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I've been running shroud

acoustic dune
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If I need to think longer then I should

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I am a failure

mighty root
violet hornet
acoustic dune
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If I can't draw drunk without coherency

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I am not an artist

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I am a failure

sterile stone
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Got me paranoid

acoustic dune
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4 year of study outside and inside my academy

mystic ether
# acoustic dune I am a failure

Sounds more like you're applying foresight, challenging belief, measuring logic and maybe even shifting thinking.

That's just part of thinking.

acoustic dune
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I have pride in what I do

gaunt roost
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god i wish these werent so shit

sterile stone
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Whatever I buy, that shit better still be wrapped in the box.

violet hornet
# sterile stone Got me paranoid

Seeing how many people at work can't be assed to wash their hands after the bathroom has me cooking every meal I can myself haha

sterile stone
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Straight to dungeon with ye

acoustic dune
violet hornet
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At least they're not food service I guess lmao

acoustic dune
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We aren't immune of such

mighty root
violet hornet
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Yall better wash your novelty t shirts

mystic ether
acoustic dune
acoustic dune
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You can't break a mind that is arleady set

mystic ether
mystic ether
acoustic dune
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I am studying for animation

mystic ether
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Art is entirely invested in change of perspective.

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That's why style exists.

acoustic dune
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It's not perspective per say

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But experience

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Well both are the same thing in a way

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But I must argue on that

mystic ether
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Experience and perspective inform each other fluidly as you as an artist have been able to see and even do.

acoustic dune
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Without the skill

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That's wishful thinking

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Academic art exist for a reason

mystic ether
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No, that's just knowing that art isn't interested in rigidity of will, thought or spirit.

acoustic dune
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How shall you break the rule without knowing it

violet hornet
mystic ether
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A strong best can be as immaterial as a weak worst.

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Buddhist artists routinely just destroyed their own pieces.

acoustic dune
acoustic dune
mystic ether
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"Weak" and "strong" are part of that internal propaganda you spoke on.

acoustic dune
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That's for them

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For the person

mystic ether
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Art can inform religion and has.

acoustic dune
mystic ether
acoustic dune
mystic ether
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The humans doing the art are just gonna do it.

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They aren't asking permission when they just do it fr.

acoustic dune
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Art can be whatever how ever shit or great it is

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Its still art

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Doesn't mean it ain't shit

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I will hate it scoff at it but it will stay as art

violet hornet
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You know this is just going to end in more mogryn fan art, right?

mystic ether
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You can have comparative quality and at the same time comparative quality can be more of a projected sensibility than anything of material value to the artist, the audience, etc.

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Graffiti is a fantastic example of this.

signal spoke
acoustic dune
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I argue that having the knowledge of academic drawing may change your perspective yes but it also give new info

mystic ether
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Because you're getting exposed to learned and generational curated technique on top of whatever may have been archived and studied. Yk, art history n all that.

acoustic dune
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What would you define what "real graffiti" is

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Someone whom only paint of the wall?

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And that point that's painting

mystic ether
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Some art conventions, like graffiti don't have to adhere to any kind of regimented sense of objectivity.

acoustic dune
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Taking your time is an option

acoustic dune
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Which in itself is fascinating an in and out art

mystic ether
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Then I don't think you've seen other kinds of graffiti because people definitely can and have taken their time with murals and the like.

acoustic dune
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Less then a day

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Or mere hours

mystic ether
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No like literally people can take weeks on a project.

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Months even

acoustic dune
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Then I argue that's just painting

mystic ether
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It's still going to be graffiti because graffiti is a type of painting.

acoustic dune
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With a spray can

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When I think of graffiti I think of quick art

mystic ether
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Like, people doing tags can have an entire project going on between multiple sites even.

acoustic dune
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It may look like a horse but it's still a zebra

mystic ether
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Which can make it more insular in a sort of what but that requires a more intimate awareness of the artist(s) responsible.

acoustic dune
mystic ether
# acoustic dune When I think of graffiti I think of quick art

It sounds like you may just have a very narrow perspective of graffiti tbh. And that perspective allows you to reduce the art's possibilities and the intentions and efforts of other artists.

Not exactly me trying incriminate you necessarily, just point it out.

acoustic dune
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Is it really graffiti?
At some point why not paint the wall?

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Did micheal angels make graffiti on the 16th Chapel?

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It's muddy

violet hornet
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16th chapel KEKW_ogryn

acoustic dune
mystic ether
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I literally live in communities where graffiti artists have done entire murals over days at a time, sometimes between scattered sites where the greater fruit of that art comes with the actual lived-in journey to even have access to that canvas.

People be putting a lot of love into what they put up and it doesn't even need to be some massive sprawl either because the person doing the art is going to be manifesting that vision and sharing it.

placid fiber
acoustic dune
mystic ether
acoustic dune
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Still feel lacking on the graffiti side

mystic ether
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For someone that has smoke for stifling academia, you definitely got it rent free fe

placid fiber
acoustic dune
mystic ether
scenic drift
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is there a spreadsheet or something with relic blade attack stats?

acoustic dune
mystic ether
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And another reason why larger scale projects might be lesser known has everything to do with what informs graffiti art in the first place: people's directly lived-in experiences in their own neighborhoods.

acoustic dune
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What I shall always see the essence in graffiti is its wild nature to appear anywhere anytime without consent

calm charm
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Thammer's mobility is atrocious

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Holy fucking shit

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What the fuck is that running cost

placid fiber
acoustic dune
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No outside knowledge outside of the artist

plucky sparrow
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which evis generally performs better?

mystic ether
calm charm
placid fiber
acoustic dune
mystic ether
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They can also just end up getting demolished or covered up by workers.

acoustic dune
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It lack that primal idea of graffiti

acoustic dune
mystic ether
calm charm
acoustic dune
placid fiber
mystic ether
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I'm not talking about contracted graffiti artists no longer taking a risk with vandalism and trespassing felony charges yk?

acoustic dune
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What's your thoughts of academic art

mystic ether
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I've been talking about street graffiti this whole time. :V

mystic ether
acoustic dune
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Then what was it?

signal spoke
mystic ether
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I was speaking entirely on graffiti artists doing the exact opposite of what you were claiming they weren't doing with larger projects.

placid fiber
mystic ether
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Large scale projects just happen with or without any kind of institutional consent.

And the general public are often the primary facilitators of graffiti art because well...they're the ones doing it and seeing it

acoustic dune
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That would make a great parody

misty nova
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Chat

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Listen to peak

sterile stone
misty nova
calm charm
misty nova
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I'm not asking

acoustic dune
placid fiber
# misty nova I'm not asking

I'm busy getting lost in my head, tho... I spend 25 out of 24 hours a day in that state. how else does one get their me time?

frosty herald
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EA already admitted its more expensive to fix ai mistakes than normal devs

mystic ether
unique whale
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mmm.. what do I miss? I'm testing Flamer with Penetrating Flames in simulation at Auric difficulty, and it takes ages to kill Crusher with it. I need to fully dump 3 mags to do it. I expected, once the britlleness stacks are set, I should see him dying rather quick.

misty nova
misty nova
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Just melee

placid fiber
acoustic dune
misty nova
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Back in the day

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Chastise rending applied to the fire

acoustic dune
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Imma hit the shower and go out at midnight

misty nova
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Good times

sterile stone
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Whether that be through art, music, or just events

misty nova
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The alternative is uncanny Strike

violet hornet
mystic ether
# acoustic dune What's your thoughts of academic art

My only problem with academic art the same problem I have with institutionalized dogmatic orthodoxy. In this case, that art often ends up getting consumed and transformed towards mundane corpo assembly-esque sensibilities that get co-opted further.

opaque island
acoustic dune
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I argue on that

placid fiber
acoustic dune
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Academic art is well

mystic ether
# acoustic dune BAH

That has more to do with a bigger problem that art has often taken on and even antagonized before.

Yk, like graffiti

acoustic dune
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Academic

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It's for study

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It's in the name

violet hornet
sterile stone
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@drowsy steppe I'm not gonna lie, there's no better feeling than letting your hair air dry after a hot bath

acoustic dune
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Whatever you do with your academic art skill if for you to do

unique whale
# misty nova You miss the fact that isn't ideal to do that

Then I'm still puzzled what those people who talk about flamer + knife with uncanny combo being super good and "melting the crushers" are talking about. I've tried it in various combinations - still feels like shit, it's much easier to just use the knife alone to do the job

acoustic dune
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But you can still play with it

acoustic dune
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It depend how you twist the academic art rule

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Thinking outside the box persay

misty nova
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You apply the fire
The you proc uncanny

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Except

acoustic dune
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It's always good to have knowledge

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To limit yourself for such thing

misty nova
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Crushers aren't 3k HP anymore

acoustic dune
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Is in itself

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Stinky

unique whale
mystic ether
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Yeah. I mean it can really help because all it is is people coming together to literally practice art and to learn about it same as any other discipline.

I'm more specifically talking about how that academic angle into art as a discipline gets slurped up with the maintained conventions of academia in the first place.

Plenty of ways higher education can both help and harm art and artists period. Like down to a material fact.

void bison
opaque island
violet hornet
mystic ether
void bison
violet hornet
heady rapids
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@mighty root sometimes when im bored i dip my fyre in the septic tank and he scream loud as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

mystic ether
# acoustic dune Not quite

Not only are they not funding their art program to enrich the already enrolled students they're getting money and debt ledgers from, but they just displaced people from the community performing the art in the first place and thus, actively playing in the role of harming that art culture.

void bison
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besides TOO MUCH CHEESE TOO MUCH MACARONI NOT ENOUGH CHEESE

mystic ether
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Like if we're going to be talking about academia, that analysis cannot exist without acknowledging how academia can systemically impact artists in the first place.

mystic ether
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That's wherever that material reality is present and can be noted because it's like

acoustic dune
mystic ether
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Materially real. You can touch it, perceive it and study to understand it.

There's entire disciplines that equip people with the education to better articulate it where the research is backing it up.

placid fiber
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I'm gonna be real here... graffiti can look cool, but, I don't have enough of an attention span to enjoy it

mighty root
full nebula
placid fiber
mystic ether
# acoustic dune Everything new will always get a pushback of some kind

Yes. Which is why understanding those relationships is part of what's informing the art.

We were just talking about graffiti, an entire angle of art with a very potent history of the artists doing it generally being from people who are being directly disenfranchised to the point of being criminalized for throwing up art under a variety of motivations tied to their material circumstances.

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And, those relationships would, in fact have a connection to academia where relevant.

acoustic dune
mystic ether
mystic ether
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Financially sponsored even?

acoustic dune
acoustic dune
mystic ether
acoustic dune
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I am speaking of study

void bison
acoustic dune
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Academic is not to blame of the hate of graffiti

violet hornet
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Knify still in the convo after trying to tap out:

mystic ether
long oasis
visual stream
mystic ether
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And you earlier refuted the statement that academia as an institution can play a role in harming art, let alone informing and promoting art that's tethered to harm.

violet hornet
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  1. Be left alone in the office for the last 20 mins of the day
  2. Oh cool I'll open discord on my laptop instead of my phone
  3. 5 minutes later I'm looking at discord on my phone again

O_o

visual stream
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Welcome back fya

gray ice
acoustic dune
south prism
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got static from the psyker on the team then blew his ass away with a barrel

acoustic dune
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Your art now will change in the 10 min

heady rapids
acoustic dune
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There will and shall always be harm

heady rapids
mystic ether
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I'm discussing material reality of how institutions operate and antagonize art.

acoustic dune
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Not learning academy is a harm so is Learning it

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What I argue is knowing it

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Is far better then not

mystic ether
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I'm not condemning the act of learning art.

mystic ether
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I'm talking about institutions, their power and their capacity to be antagonistic to art.

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And then giving examples (albeit a bit scattered), of where that can be present.

acoustic dune
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There will always be propaganda

mystic ether
acoustic dune
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How are you sure the institution I not harmful?

mystic ether
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There can be places of learning that exist that don't require people to be displaced from where they live to even practice it.

acoustic dune
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What make you sure of so?

mystic ether
heady rapids
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omg i found an ever better gem than that one shf gif

acoustic dune
void bison
long oasis
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strongest pink dog this side of the heilongjiang

heady rapids
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i think there's something under my skin

long oasis
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spinter?

heady rapids
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no

long oasis
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the ants?

mystic ether
# acoustic dune Define it What is systemically intentional acts

Contracting constructions and demolition for campus building. Very straight forward.

Purchases housing legally distinct academic institutional property, meaning there are active legal consequences affecting the communities of the people who would have lived there that are no longer legally allowed to do so.

heady rapids
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i thought something was swelled on my toe but then i touched my other toe

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and i think it's supposed to be like that

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idk

long oasis
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is it red

mystic ether
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Like, researchable, widely available to note things here.

heady rapids
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idk its dark im just touching it rn

acoustic dune
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I understand that losing an house is bad

mystic ether
acoustic dune
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But there will always be sacraficr

acoustic dune
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Dragging the people of the know how will not help but could affect negatively

Inform them

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I guess

mystic ether
# acoustic dune But there will always be sacraficr

That's an appeal to tradition which tends to come with an adherence to the status-quo. People literally throw up art against this all the time. Artists literally are often part of community protests against these kinds of practices.

misty nova
heady rapids
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is the movie good btw

misty nova
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Seems like it

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Everybody is praising

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And 10/10 on tomatoes

acoustic dune
misty nova
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I have yet to watch

void bison
mystic ether
heady rapids
void bison
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it could still be the worms

heady rapids
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too many dogshit shows and movies with 10s across the board

misty nova
mystic ether
acoustic dune
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But we are viewing of to protest and political point

mystic ether
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We're making connections here is what the theme of this conservation has been steered towards for a while here.

heady rapids
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maybe i need to watch it fr

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hoping it doesnt have 3d like ths how

acoustic dune
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I have always stand of a good foundation

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Hence I argue for academic art

mystic ether
acoustic dune
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You brought up on the idea of the effect happening outside of the study

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Which I do not see nor care

mystic ether
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Well yeah that's been clear. And you don't have to care, but you yourself know there's no point in denying it when actually put to task to speak on it.

acoustic dune
opaque island
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ah yes 5 pm on tuesday

heady rapids
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its not a tuesday and its not 5 pm

acoustic dune
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My point was always on the study not the people

heady rapids
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but sure go ahead

mystic ether
# acoustic dune I shant deny it but I also don't have to agree on it either

And that study itself is going to be impacted by the cycles the institution responsible is going to be doing while you're part of it. You don't have to do anything about it despite coming to the conclusion that challenging the perspective is worth it because then you'd just be...

Doing art with respect to what art is by simply existing as it can.

opaque island
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do you live on the other side of the world or something?

heady rapids
acoustic dune
mystic ether
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So even these logics, you're cycling yourself towards giving a damn about what's going into your art, versus being more selective ig.

opaque island
mystic ether
acoustic dune
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I am still gonna hate of love it

acoustic dune
acoustic dune
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Arguing that I can't
That I must reject

mystic ether
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Then that would mean that you're complacent with the way things are within yourself.

I'd personally say that it's worth respecting ones own creativity by actually being creative enough to challenge themselves to change. It's unironically a guiding cornerstone of how artists improve themselves over time.

heady rapids
mystic ether
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Art is only stagnant when the people doing it refuse to actually create change.

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And task themselves with limiting their perspectives.

acoustic dune
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Left

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Having a same style does mean stagnation

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There will be inspiration

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Copy of copy

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And that normal

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What catch your eyes doesn't mean the other suck complete arse

mystic ether
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So, I'm hearing a lot of self-denial here.

acoustic dune
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In every way you explain it I still don't see it

mystic ether
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You're both admitting to the reality that art doesn't require permission or dogma, while also insisting that it must be perceived by a metric that notes it as inferior or superior.

mystic ether
acoustic dune
mystic ether
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And it's not even working well even for you.

mystic ether
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The comparison can be empty as well because it doesn't even need to be relevant.

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Which is already went over.

acoustic dune
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Higher then that

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Its photography

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What skill you earn from academia is a part of life you aim for

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That's why romanticism and cubism became a genre

mystic ether
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I disagree that academia is somehow the pinnacle of artistry because art preceeded academia and actively defies it like every day.

acoustic dune
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So is renaissance art

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So is medival art

acoustic dune
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To "life"

mystic ether
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It's not even close fr.

acoustic dune
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Higher then that its photography

acoustic dune
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You call it high I call it a base

mystic ether
heady rapids
acoustic dune
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There's a base

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I never argues that it was the pinnacle I said its a good introduction

acoustic dune
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Heck higher would be performative art

hard nexus
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oops

pale spindle
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Art this art that

How come people don't just write their ideas onto a paper?

Smh my head

acoustic dune
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Working on realism study is not a bad thing and I stand on there

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What is academic art is the closest to real life in the way of painting of drawing in a visual sense

mystic ether
pale spindle
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Europeans making Classical music with the finest material for 600 years: 😴

oak ice
mystic ether
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All of those styles could and have been absorbed and made sterile in some ways, yes, but they were born out of a disinterest in just doing the same shit over and over and also inspired by the conditions that birthed them to begin with for better and worse.

acoustic dune
heady rapids
acoustic dune
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It's what enchance the art

pale spindle
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Slaves banging on some rocks and using chicken wire to string a base 2 seconds after the brutal trip from the Atlantic and onto a sugar cane field: 🔥

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Just a skill diff I'm telling y'all

acoustic dune
mystic ether
# acoustic dune Fine I agreed the greatest is what made you get into art But even then those art...

All of that happened on the fringes before being incorporated. Academia archives, measures, formalizes and cements disciplines within art. The people developing their art within it can be enriched too, but they themselves are also operating outside of academia one way or another before and after being part of it.

Especially if they're really serious about doing that for the sake of their art and motivations.

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So, from that end, i fundamentally disagree that academia is the closest thing a better start.

heady rapids
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maybe something changes

pale spindle
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Academia is so you can get paid, and even then it doesn't work 😈

acoustic dune
oak ice
acoustic dune
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You go in in mind to be serious if you aren't
Why be there

mystic ether
pale spindle
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I feel bad for artists, because ever since Walt Disney commodified the illustration medium, artists are no different from workers on an assembly line

mystic ether
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So again, no it's not the best place to start

plush estuary
heady rapids
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ts sounds like a xbox generated username

acoustic dune
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Do they need such hate aswell

plush estuary
acoustic dune
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You fighting extreme with extreme

mystic ether
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Like we're both lit here btw.

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And I mean zero disrespect fr, but I'm not going to be allowing myself to have a conversation about art and not actually talk about what is going to be within the reality that produces art.

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I'm running back your own points so we don't lose track here fr.

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And running back to mine because they're relevant and have already covered some of the same questions you keep asking me yfm?

hard nexus
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what’s the argument about

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lot of words

mystic ether
hard nexus
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can we all just kiss and be friends

mystic ether
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I mean originally I was just talking to dude because they seemed dangerously down then we started talking about art.

void bison
acoustic dune
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But it seem we agreed on the same thing

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Art is le art

hard nexus
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more like

acoustic dune
hard nexus
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fart

hard nexus
full nebula
full nebula
oak ice
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Never change

hard nexus
hard nexus
oak ice
hard nexus
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awwwooooo

median steeple
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doh

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hg

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creature

void bison
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too much time in microwave

oak ice
violet hornet
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Wolp

mystic ether
# acoustic dune I agreed on this because I still don't have a concrete idea on your argument

Academia is not the best place for art to flourish and thrive because the institution of academia can and has been responsible for playing a tangible role in the ways that communities full of artists can be disrupted and displaced. This can and has perpetuated cycles of institutional harm by the university leveraging that power in cooperation with corpos and feds in combination of their relationships to one another on a societal scale.

Because of this, the factors that will play a role in displacing artists, especially those regulated to societal fringes will play a part in inspiring that art and its developments outside of that institutional oversight. Should that art become mainstream enough, it can end being partially absorbed into academia and inherently will as students with their own living and changing perspectives informing their art will have an impact on that art's capacity for expression.

And within those institutional barriers, artists can and often do use their art to speak back against those institutions simultaneously absorbing and harming where that art is coming from: the people making the art.

Therefore, academia can primarily act as historically antagonistic force towards the development of art, the stifling of expression and even the promotion of harm through art itself.

heady rapids
void bison
acoustic dune
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Again we will never see eye to eye on this

mystic ether
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That's a more pointed example here

full nebula
mystic ether
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When a university works with private and federal bodies to get full legal access to a part of the community already being priced out during gentrification for example, the university is actively aiding in that effort and causing that harm that then directly impacts the ways people do art.

oak ice
mystic ether
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Like that's like dead ass a thing

oak ice
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Is this Kevin when he is waiting for food?

heady rapids
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say hi to kevin or face 80 years of bad luck

mystic ether
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And one can literally see how that plays out when one actually understands that because, like I said before, it's a material thing that will affect people.

oak ice
mystic ether
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Plenty of broke artists selling their art or performing in public that have to make themselves scarce due to an arrest quota for example or curfews that target children within the community in cities where places are bought up and turned into private property with cops tasked with being a nuisance.

If the person is also struggling with housing, they're actively being harmed in a connected way like.

full nebula
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Repost

acoustic dune
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OK sure that happen
That's it
That's all I see
It happen
It will continue to happen if there's no change

Again don't care bc I don't have first hand experience

mystic ether
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The whole wilful blindspot

carmine falcon
acoustic dune
heady rapids
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you should always focus on obscuring your teammates vision

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everything else comes second

mystic ether
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Things like. Well. Graffiti. staregryn if we're just using that example here.

acoustic dune
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Never once I see the intent as smaller

carmine falcon
acoustic dune
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What I said is I don't see graffiti as graffiti

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In some case

mystic ether
carmine falcon
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i like how they improved the vfx but it still blinds people anyway

mystic ether
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Like

heady rapids
mystic ether
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I can't stress enough how that isn't going to not be relevant here.

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That would be denying the intent that artists have when defining themselves through a medium in the first place.

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Jazz is a style of music with baked-in deconstruction of other musical conventions like

carmine falcon
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hey ill take a flammenwerfer player over people who nade you when you're loading up an aftershock

acoustic dune
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What make or break graffiti for me was always the point was how it was did before of why it was did that way

heady rapids
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lmao

acoustic dune
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Different rule for different art

heady rapids
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those mechanics should always stay to a degree imo

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but i love nading people

full nebula
heady rapids
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it's less fun when it's a random player sabotaging you tho

mystic ether
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Then that would sound like those motivations have more to do with a version of study that strips away intention in favor of isolating technique.

heady rapids
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but ragebaiting your friends is priceless

mystic ether
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Perhaps to co-opt later.

plucky sparrow
# full nebula

cant believe they made this totally normal servitor hunchback

mystic ether
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

carmine falcon
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imo nades are the most misused utl

full nebula
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That's how they make the ratling shorter, hunchbacked

heady rapids
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it's fun with friends but makes me rage when randoms do it

carmine falcon
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instead of using them for mass stagger they use em to avoid fighting minoiris or randomly nading your frontliners TOOBASED

mystic ether
carmine falcon
plucky sparrow
mystic ether
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Even if the person doesn't consciously act on it.

heady rapids
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you're a guest in my lobby.......

carmine falcon
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nading your friends is rookie shit

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real ogs blast the barrels

hard nexus
acoustic dune
hard nexus
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im just billingual so i meow sometimes

carmine falcon
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remember when the self heal modifer blew up a barrel and killed me and i thought it was your friend lmao

heady rapids
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does shooting a teammate's melta make it ff you

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yes lmao

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YES YOU INST AJUMPED HIM LMAO

acoustic dune
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That's how I study

heady rapids
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THEN WE WATCHED THE REPLAY

acoustic dune
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I like math

carmine falcon
acoustic dune
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Love it

oak ice
carmine falcon
oak ice
heady rapids
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good

acoustic dune
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Philosophy was never my strong suit so I dont or ever saw art that way much

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I could get a lick of so

carmine lance
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I like how art and philosophy are kinda intertwined

acoustic dune
carmine lance
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Thinking of like, dadaism

acoustic dune
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Geometry in plant

carmine lance
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True

heady rapids
full nebula
#

Hey, who all is ready for zealot chat to die when the new class is announced?

heady rapids
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it's the other way around

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arbites chat died

hexed igloo
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Zelchat will never die

carmine lance
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Zealot chat will never die

heady rapids
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every other chat never lived to begin with

acoustic dune
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I will personally hate Picasso for his cubism work it's like proto cartoon

carmine lance
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Until death would proc

heady rapids
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zel chat is the only one that is actually alive

full nebula
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Nuh uh, people will move to the new channel temporarily.

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It'll come back though

acoustic dune
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But I shant deny that he is one hell of a great artist

full nebula
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Cycles

carmine lance
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I will stay here tbh

hexed igloo
full nebula
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Regulars will

acoustic dune
#

But also hate him as a person

hexed igloo
carmine lance
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Exactly

hexed igloo
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I refuse to touch the other chats with a 10 foot pole

heady rapids
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they wont they will just discuss the new class here

carmine lance
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I went into psyker chat once

hexed igloo
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If I'm desperate I might say smth in lfg though

carmine lance
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Asked why people shit on electrostaff

acoustic dune
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I find having a base in classical work is a good choice
Because of my focus on the human posing

hexed igloo
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It looks kinda like smite

acoustic dune
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And anatomy in general

carmine lance
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Question was never answered and instead got a whole rant that staffs in general suck and should only use gun psyker

heady rapids
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they should open zealot chat 2 instead

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methinks

hard nexus
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my friends all need to respond to me IMMEDIATELY

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theres a concert i wanna go to but they arenty responding to me MMEMEMEMEME

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GTROROWLLLLL

hard nexus
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OH SHIT AND IVRI IS PLAYING TOO?!?!?!?!??!

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peak.

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wait maybe they arent

mystic ether
# acoustic dune That's how I study strip to the minimum hence my view on jt My way and your way...

I mean yeah. Part of why I have a problem with academia as an institution when it comes to art especially is the ways curriculums often focus exclusively on that kind of approach. It's not there's something inherently wrong with understanding technique whatsoever. The will of the institution is the problem here less so than the individual which what I've been mostly focusing on.

There's a reason why corporations staff entire sections of their marketing teams after spending insane amounts of money on big time corpo artists, trend analysts, even consulting bloody marketing psychologists yfm? Academia plays a huge role in that ethos of commodification that ultimately puts a lid on art in a very damning way is where my focus is at.

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That doesn't mean that it can't change or has always been like this either, but the point moreso is that it's a real factor into the ways art can be spread and learned from in the first place.

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I'm trying to think some assholes that have made paint patents.

acoustic dune
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What I understand is that you see corporal art

mystic ether
hard nexus
hard nexus
frosty herald
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Never heard of it

mystic ether
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As far as academic art I'm mostly just focusing on things like curriculum, financing, campus life, university oversight and censorship, etc.

hard nexus
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artist that spotify recommended me like 20 minutes ago

mystic ether
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Like academia as insitution influencing art.

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Not "academic" art as a form of art.

acoustic dune
mystic ether
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Yeah.

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I don't exactly see academic art as like a thing.

acoustic dune
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Work

mystic ether
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Rather what academia can do to teach people about art.

acoustic dune
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Again

pale spindle
acoustic dune
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I love anatomy

mystic ether
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People have been drafting detailed and measured anatomic guides before the greeks and romans.

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That's more relative than objective.

hard nexus
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:(

acoustic dune
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It's a perfect base

hard nexus
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sad

pale spindle
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What's funny is that most people will think original Hellenistic art looks like drag 😈

mystic ether
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Oh, you're talking about anatomy as study then I take it?

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Like right now

pale spindle
mystic ether
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My bud is kicking my ass rn.

acoustic dune
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What i really love is prob Victorian time academic study I guess

acoustic dune
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Knowing how shadows and colour work

mystic ether
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Mm. I wouldn't know much about it just yet. And I'm more interested in other parts of world before paying more attention to europe.

acoustic dune
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So you can change it

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In what way or form in the future

mystic ether
#

and yeah, that stuff broadly is interesting,

pale spindle
mystic ether
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And from a fundamental guiding point, yes.

acoustic dune
pale spindle
mystic ether
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Mhm. I know people in life sciences who have a background in illustration that use those skills together to make their actual studies more potent.

pale spindle
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Wow the Greeks were actually really gay 😔

mystic ether
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As in literally drawing an entire system.

pale spindle
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Yo Nazis, y'all worship this? 💀

acoustic dune
pale spindle
mystic ether
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Or for their notes to just have well-drawn, easily accesible notes.

acoustic dune
pale spindle
acoustic dune
plucky sparrow
acoustic dune
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Since it fit more into observational stufy

acoustic dune
mystic ether
pale spindle
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Nero with the dripp

acoustic dune
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But bridge man work more on artistically anatomy

mystic ether
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There's an actual like real series of decisions made there sometimes and it's really simple at first glance but then learning about how medical education is supplemented with art is wild as hell.

acoustic dune
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My fav artist is leyendecker

mystic ether
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There's a literal art to depicting something like the Kreb's Cycle.

acoustic dune
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That man know how to draw pose

acoustic dune
#

Michealangelo was renown for small detail on the muscle

violet hornet
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🦐 ✅

acoustic dune
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Hence why he is so famous

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His muscle and anatomy is extremely correct even for its ideal

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He just know

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Funfact that man was a wood carver

hard nexus
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do i spend 50 dollars on 2 tickets even if i dont know if my friends can go yet,,,

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hrm,,,

royal vortex
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Spend it on doordash and then dont eat the food

full nebula
hard nexus
hard nexus
royal vortex
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i have

heady rapids
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oihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh maaaaaaaaaan

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i need this......

south prism
misty ravine
plush estuary
#

we love rumbler

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he didnt mean to, but its sad to end a run like that

carmine lance
#

Personally I hate rumbler ogryns because I can’t see SHIT

acoustic dune
carmine lance
#

And they’ve managed to get me pinned between crushers because of the impact

heady rapids
#

just barrel them off the map

carmine lance
#

True

heady rapids
#

you see people's loadouts in the lobby

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so you know who to target

acoustic dune
#

b1ade its 1 am

carmine lance
#

True…

acoustic dune
#

what are you doing here

carmine lance
#

Why is he so small

heady rapids
#

it's 3 am

sterile stone
#

@frosty herald I got the bulwark shield spam cheese on lock

acoustic dune
copper hawk
violet hornet
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mm spam and cheese

copper hawk
#

i did that today actually

acoustic dune
#

oh ey its cica

copper hawk
#

on accident

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i got a smoothie from smoothie king and just... didn't drink it

acoustic dune
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no hi back

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smh

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😔

sterile stone
#

I can just continuously bash now